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N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight

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saying we are the bad guys

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Dan and Jordan, knowledgefight

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A&E In Kansas, A&E in Kansas, A&E in Stop It

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A&E in Kansas, A&E in Kansas, A&E in It's time to pray

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A&E in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding us

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Hello Alex, I'm a first-time caller, I'm a huge fan

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I love your room

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knowledgefight

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knowledgefight.com

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

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I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes.

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I'd like to sit around and worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about

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Alex Jones.

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Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan.

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Jordan.

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I have a quick question for you.

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What's up?

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What's your bright spot today?

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My bright spot today, this is actually a bright spot I'm excited to give or to discuss.

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All right.

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I was a fan of The Tick growing up.

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Oh, hell yeah.

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The animated cartoon?

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Cartoon.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I loved it.

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Deflator Mouse, come on, man.

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Chairface Chippendale.

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Of course.

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It doesn't get better than that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Great.

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Loved it.

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Fantastic.

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The sensibility of it, the humor, everything about it was just fantastic.

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I loved it as a kid.

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I have always been a little bit hesitant to give other interpretations of The Tick a chance.

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I tried watching the newer one.

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Which one?

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The Patrick Warburton one?

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No.

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The Peter Serafinowicz one.

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Gotcha.

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Yeah.

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Peter Serafinowicz is great, isn't he?

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It's outstanding.

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It's so good.

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Yes.

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It's so good.

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I'm a few episodes in and I'm like, this is exactly what I would have wanted from a live

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action version of The Tick.

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Totally.

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Spectacular.

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Yeah.

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There's so many little subtle things.

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I would never have guessed that Serafinowicz would get the character that good.

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You know what I'm saying?

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And Griffin Newman's fantastic as Arthur.

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Totally.

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No, no, he's great.

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But at least the first episodes are really hinging around him and this sort of backstory

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of him as a superhero.

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Totally.

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And that's exactly the way to tell the story.

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It's really good.

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I am so pumped.

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I'm bummed that I think it's canceled, right?

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I'm pretty sure it's canceled, yeah.

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Sucks that there's a limited amount of them, but I'm excited to have something to watch

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that I really enjoy.

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Yeah, that was one of my favorites.

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I'll never forget Deflator Mouse, just because I saw the cartoon when I was eight or something.

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So young.

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And it was like 20 years later that I was like, oh, that's a reference to a fucking

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opera?

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Shit!

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You know?

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What kind of eight year old is going to be like, what a great pun?

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Was The Mad Bomber Who Bombs at Midnight a pun?

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I do like The Mad Bomber Who Bombs at Midnight.

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So what's your bright spot?

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My bright spot, Dan, is walking.

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Not Christopher.

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Oh.

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Ah, no.

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The weather's nice out, and we only live a couple miles away from each other, so I've

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started walking to do the show.

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It's about a 40 minute walk, which is the perfect length of time to start going back

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through old albums and actually listen to the full thing.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah, I've been going through the Ninja Tunes label here recently, and I just got to Lemon

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Jellies 64 through 95, and the final track on that is called Go, and it is so good because

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they use William Shatner's sample there, and so it's just like they finally do something

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good with William Shatner.

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It's been so long, but they finally did something good with William Shatner around 20 years

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ago.

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What about those talk albums that he did?

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That's what they're doing.

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They're taking samples from the talk albums.

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But I think that even just those raw are great.

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Oh, you think so?

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Really?

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No, I don't know.

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I actually haven't listened to them.

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I know a lot of people make jokes about it.

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Yeah, I mean, it's easy to make jokes about it.

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What are you going to say about it?

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It's good?

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I guess that's as good a joke as I have.

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This is good.

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Hey, look, we're going to put this on on a date.

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We're going to lower the lights a little bit and just listen to some Shatner.

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And make out to some Shatner.

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Exactly.

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Yes.

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What are you doing?

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Yeah.

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So, Jordan.

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Yes, sir.

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I'm glad you're enjoying these albums.

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And today we have an album to discuss.

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Oh, yeah.

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And that is an episode of Alex's show.

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Okay.

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I look at those as albums.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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He's prolific.

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Very.

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Yes.

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We're going over May 21st, 2003.

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Blackjack.

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No.

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God damn it.

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I bet.

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Oh, shit.

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We're going back to the past.

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Okay.

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And part of this is because we had a little bit of sort of a cliffhanger on the last episode.

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Alex was complaining a whole bunch about The Matrix.

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Yep.

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And he was saying he was going to go see it.

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Of course.

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And he did not.

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And he didn't.

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So we have to satisfy this.

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We have to give some sort of closure to this.

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Yeah.

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Of course.

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And I will say that Alex has seen The Matrix by this point, and we're going to get one

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of those rare gems.

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Solid movie reviews.

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We're going to get a gem of a movie review out of Alex.

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Okay.

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I'm excited.

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Yeah.

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As am I. I'm thrilled to walk you through this.

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But before we do, we've got to take a moment to say hello to some new wonks out there.

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That's a great idea.

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So first, Steven T. Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks, Steven.

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Next, Lego from St. Paul.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thanks, Lego.

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Thank you.

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Next, Wren.

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W-R-E-N. Wren.

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Wren.

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Wren.

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Wren.

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Wren.

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Wren.

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Wren.

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Wren.

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Wren.

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Wren.

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Wren.

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Wren.

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Wren.

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Wren.

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Wren.

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Wren.

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Wren.

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on this Watson all right let's just get down to business we ain't making that money off that

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heroin why you pimps so good my neck is freakishly large I declare info war on you thank y'all and

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unfortunately rest in peace middle-aged mice yes apologies you gotta get you apologies anybody

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who's been grandfathered out so to speak is gonna be fine uh-huh if you will yes giving someone

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life is giving someone death you could say that life is death I would like to give a happy birthday

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shout out to Matt been got in touch with us and on the 17th coming up this okay middle of this week

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Thursday it would be Thursday keep track of days also from what I understand you're gonna love this

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okay it's uh Matt's hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy birthday oh he's uh what uh 32

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was that the answer to the universe and everything uh no it's 42 right yeah isn't it yeah what the

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well the 32 first it would just be fun okay if you know I couldn't tell if you were fucking with me

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no the the question uh that the universe is trying to answer right is what is six times seven

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but if anybody got the question and the answer right at the same time the universe would be

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destroyed and be replaced by something even weirder okay yeah well anyway happy birthday

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Matt uh uh Alex has uh some kind wishes for you being born is a condition that leads to death

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you can say that life is a disease that ends in death so Jordan um today we're going to be

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talking about uh Alex on the on may 21st and I this is a rare instance where I decided like

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I have not watched these movies in forever it's been a long time and so I decided I might need

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to refresh my memory and I actually watched the matrix reloaded as a as a sort of refresher course

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because I was like what is he talking about even when it comes to movie reviews Dan's gonna look

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into it and research things and take down your opinion well I was curious I was curious because

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I remember enjoying uh the movie enough sure and and look I have a lot of things I'm gonna read

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some of my my notes uh just sort of raw yeah uh go over some of my thoughts are you doing a live

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tweeting of uh I basically did uh on a notebook page um I'm gonna go over a little bit but this

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was uh not bad not a bad not a bad film I enjoyed it I would appreciate more movie reviews that were

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just very simple a couple words I'm sick of these long like explanations of the plot and the history

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of the movie and the shots angle and what that means for interpretation no it's all right it

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really picked up after the highway scene yeah that's true I will say that that's true a little

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bit of at the beginning was a slog to get through but whatever no everybody wants to watch the

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dancing scene for at least another six minutes it had some pacing issues um but I don't begrudge

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that too much it wasn't it wasn't insurmountable in terms of enjoying the movie no no no um

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like I said I have some thoughts so does Alex last night I went and saw the matrix I'm gonna give

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about a five minute review of that and I think a transcript of my review should be made I want to

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give a warning about this film if there was any questions about being uh from Illuminati origin

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those are now answered put those concerns to bed is it yes oh yeah okay it is a deeply Illuminati

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shit just for the listeners I need you to know that when Alex said I'm gonna give you about a

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five minute review Dan just went shook his head no it is not gonna be a five minute review nor

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should it be transcribed all of that was wrong um yeah so apparently uh Alex had seen the first

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Matrix movie sure and he was like is this Illuminati shit I don't know and he saw the second

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one he's like yes definitely Illuminati shit I do like that the concerns have been put to bed put

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them to bed put the concerns to bed yeah because the answer is yes which is somehow less concerning

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well I mean it's it's no longer an open question now you know that this is just evil I mean I

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suppose certainty is a comfort in some ways right yeah so I guess at this point I would say that um

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if you're convinced that this uh movie has Illuminati origins maybe you shouldn't do that

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whole red pill thing like maybe you shouldn't take that metaphor because the Illuminati made

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that metaphor so so what you're saying is perhaps these stupid thoughts uh are bullshit that they're

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feeling in the moment and then later on they'll be like that's actually a great movie and let's

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use the metaphor yes yeah that sounds I get the sense of that yeah that sounds about right um so

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there's a lot of people who shouldn't see this movie humans yes but if you're gonna see it you

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whatever just don't show it to kids I would not let my children watch the film and uh if you want

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to see it yourself to see the face of the new world order go ahead but uh it uh very very dark

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and very evil uh is all I can really say about Matrix Reloaded but uh I'm gonna

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go over some of it here on the show he does he does go over a little bit of it yeah I will say

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that from I listened to Alex's review first got confused and then I watched the movie I'm like

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boy there's a lot he doesn't cover

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he would not have a very good sense of the movie it's a big movie it's a big movie yeah there might

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be too much in it but um you know he he starts off his conversation about uh the Matrix by talking

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about the first movie and I don't know if I agree with his premise okay the first Matrix was

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obviously new age in its overall presentation that you've got to believe in yourself and then you can

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change the parameters that is not no reality no problem within I take issue with that I mean like

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maybe there is some new ageiness to it certainly sure sure but I don't think that it's about like

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believe in yourself and you can change the parameters of reality I am fairly certain

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that most everybody in that movie who also believed in themselves right next to Neo

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was immediately murdered within the first 45 minutes yeah Neo didn't have the ability to

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change things because he believed in himself he had the ability to change things because he was

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created and born inside the Matrix yeah I understand maybe that you're trying to say

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that we're all the chosen one but that's not what the movie is trying to say yes yes if you're going

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to bring that to the film that's on you yeah I mean and for fuck's sakes in one movie later

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after this one Neo is literally in a Christ-like position to show you that he's making the

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sacrifice spoilers I'm sorry apologies I have to get to that a couple years from now it's Alex

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freaks out about that now you got to go hunting for when Revolutions was released oh god I can't

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wait um yeah I think his interpretation of the first movie is a little bit flawed yeah

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based on everything about the first movie yes the and the watching of it but he you know he

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watched this this the first film and like I said he was confused he's like is this illuminati how

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do you get confused well because you don't know if it's illuminati or not maybe the Wachowskis

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are putting out something that is heroic sure anti-illuminati sure or maybe it's illuminati

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and so I was ambiguous I'm certainly a Christian and didn't follow the new age Hindu or Buddhist

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line but I was still overall not sure if the film was a production of the globalist

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what well now I am sure that the matrix one and the matrix two matrix reloaded are

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in the most pure sense illuminati productions so I was pretty excited to hear about like

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why yeah in the most pure sense what sealed the deal what was it about this film that was like

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yeah no dead to rights this is this is globalist I need to know I mean did you just watch the

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credits and the executive producers were the illuminati sorrow exactly like is that what

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we're dealing with I was not prepared for how this review would get going okay I I was like okay

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he's gonna misinterpret something sure you know I couldn't have possibly imagined that this was

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the start of it look down for this okay it's outrageous the film begins obviously with a

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group of trailers and there is a wide screen shot that has been squeezed down and distorted

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as an authority figure type man in black sits behind a table with flickering subliminals being

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splashed on the screen talking about power aid alex is mad about a power aid commercial I am no

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I am no uh you know what it I was I was I was out when he said before we even get to the movie

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we got to deal with the trailers yeah no no no no no I don't even why would the illuminati count

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trailers this isn't even a trailer this is a commercial power raid yes I thought he was

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misinterpreting a fucking uh commercial for men in black 2 or something like rip torn is sitting

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behind a desk it's not it's not we'll get into it but he's really mad about okay okay it's a power

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talks down to you and says you're not even going to understand what I'm saying to you

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you pathetic mindless hive mind of units you are units that power the matrix drink your power aid

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do as you are ordered to do

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so that's how the film begins it's not it's a commercial

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um it's not how the film begins it's really not how the film begins if you watch it like now if

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you were to stream it it doesn't start the power a commercial isn't there no so this wasn't an

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authority figure in the commercial it was one of the agents from the movie there weren't subliminal

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flickering lights the commercial was just set in the entire great interrogation room where they

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took neo in the first movie sure some of the stuff that alex is saying is from the commercial but

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some is also his own embellishment but it's obviously just a way to like sell power aid

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using a character from the movie yeah i spent a lot of time thinking about it and honestly this

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is the only way you could do a commercial like this with a tie-in to the matrix like if you use

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any of the main characters it's gonna really seem goofy as shit oh no no the agent would be great

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they're perfect for this because they don't have a personality except for agent smith so they're

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essentially just blank slates yeah one of them selling power aid doesn't negatively affect your

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impression of the agents because it can't they aren't individuals right so it's fine that said

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i went and watched this commercial uh and there is a canon problem with the commercial okay

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i'm gonna play a little clip here uh from that commercial and then we'll discuss uh the issue

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i love this show consider this the active human body can generate up to 12 000 btus of body heat

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pure precious life-giving energy it is unfortunate your collective puny little minds couldn't figure

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out a way to harness this energy put it to good use somehow but that's beside the point the point

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is to keep generating all that energy your body needs to be replenished so drink your power aid

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we have quotas to meet so that's obviously supposed to be like deadpan comedy yeah yeah

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the problem is that this agent is trying to sell power aid to people who are inside the matrix

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activities inside the matrix shouldn't affect the amount of energy that gets produced by the

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person's physical body outside of the matrix people's actual bodies are in pods they have

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no need for power aid there's tubes and stuff going into them i do believe that they are

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suspended in goo of some sort you wouldn't even be able to get that power to their mouths power

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is it power aid that they're suspended it might be that could be true if so this commercial is

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underselling if you don't have power aid you will die yeah given what we know about the machines in

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the movies if physical activity in the matrix translated to greater energy production in the

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real world then everyone in the matrix would be suspiciously into exercise and fitness if you have

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like seven billion batteries and you could boost their productivity by 30 if their avatar of the

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matrix works out that's an amount of energy production that would not be ignored by machines

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no no no generally they are well known for efficiency they keep humans in pods

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anything is on the table that's what i'm saying i do like the idea that there's somebody somewhere

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like man nobody is using these gym memberships nobody this is unreal this is unreal anyway

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the bottom line here is that uh this commercial is just kind of dumb it's kind of just a fun

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powerade commercial that played before the movie it's not part of the film and it's not meant to

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shame people for being dumb like there's an ai version of irkot it's like sorry guys nobody's

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working out so you can't turn your ac on this this week like come on man yeah i like i like though

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that alex is sitting there in the theater watching this powerade commercial and he's like i am

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personally insulted by this character talking down to me all you need i i have been shamed by this

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powerade commercial wow you just can't find a single moment not to be mad about yeah if you

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can get mad about a powerade commercial what why even bother with the movie you're already done

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yeah what's it like what's it like what's it like how do you take in any media if you're

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shamed by a power so the actual movie starts sure and uh here's where alex is at then it launches

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into uh the world of the matrix that is the real physical world of the underground base of xion

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yes xion get it and you have the marauding forces that that uh surface to the wrecked cities above

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and transmit the minds or the souls in a type of digital astral projection okay into the machine

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world or the matrix and you're told that both of these are reality because perception is reality

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if there's one thing that i took away from the message of the matrix movies even before i went

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and re-watched it it's kind of the opposite of perception is reality yeah basically what you

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perceive is not real yes that's the point it felt like the point of the movie is that some things

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that feel like reality might not be but there is a definite reality which is worth fighting for

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yeah if perception was truly reality then it wouldn't matter if neo ever perceived the matrix

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to be the actual world or an illusion if he accepted the matrix as reality then it would

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actually be that the movies do actually deal with this quite eloquently perception can shape reality

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to an extent like if you're in the matrix and you want that to be a reality it's possible to

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live your entire life in that state and not run into any problems joey pants his character in the

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first movie he wants to be reinserted into the matrix and not be aware of the fight against the

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robots because it's more comfortable to him and it's implied that that's something that can be

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done his subjective experience and perception can create his subjective reality but that isn't real

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the movie is very clear that there's an entirely different actual reality that exists regardless

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of your subjective beliefs about reality nothing you do in the matrix affects that fact as the what

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is reality robots have turned humans into batteries and shit in the first movie the first

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thing he does is show you the desert of the real the real not not the desert of the we perceive

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this to be dark it's really interesting to me that this is this is where alex is at because

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he's getting caught up in a pretty elementary philosophical question about perception and

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reality that the wachowski's movie actually goes one step beyond in terms of like even just the

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starting point is past this i think that's what we're really dealing with here it's like when

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you're when you're watching he sounds like he's explaining the movie to my grandma you know of

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just like things that aren't really part of the movie but she's gonna like it a lot more than if

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you tell her like there's a car chase you know like that's not what's gonna work for her yep

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so trinity jumps on a motorcycle yeah right okay wearing black spandex it looks great um so zion

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he takes issue with uh-huh he takes issue with like weird things uh specifically about like

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naming conventions yeah but when i went back and i watched it i was like it's interesting that he

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doesn't take issue with everything yeah everything has a fucking name that means something it's kind

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of a reference to everything yeah and so the zion stuck out in his head and then here's another one

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and the whole film is basically illuminati characters dark masonic overtones with a dark

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occult leader and he says that we are the occult we're the vampires we're the werewolves we're the

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demons nope absolutely not him that and of course he's called the merovingian or the merovingian

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bloodline this is what the satanist based in france believe that they are descendants of jesus

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and he's brothers with satan this is deep occult illuminati stuff so alex takes issue with the

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merovingian he's not a good guy nope okay we're we all recognize that he's bad yeah that's why

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he's got that name yeah and he's not even like high-end villain he's he's an antagonist he's a

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middle manager yeah yeah yeah he is the mini boss of this side quest totally they have to go get

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the key maker yes yeah yeah yeah um yeah i guess it's you know zion and merovingian you can take

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some issue with those but what about like Nebuchadnezzar was the name of their ship

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yeah yeah yeah what about trinity no don't worry about it no don't worry about it no

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morpheus absolutely no reference there dan it's it's interesting the selective uh sort of outrage

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or selective like pointing this out as sure something that means something without without

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incorporating all of the things right into it like it just it's pick and choose yeah i mean

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if you name something zion in a piece of popular culture someone's gonna be pissed and it's usually

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and it's usually gonna be hard right christians it's gonna be alex in 2003 exactly yes that's

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going to happen but if you're mad about that you can't you can't let that get in the way of being

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mad about all the other religious references in the movie you know that's the problem here he

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needs to be a more holistic hater yeah so the movie it's evil that's that's i mean really the

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bottom line and again i'm showing you about small tidbits of this i've got to go back and take notes

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which i will do this is a i've never seen a more powerful overtly soul twisting mind control film

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there is lesbian and homosexual scenes in the film oh my god oh my god the fucking

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illuminati are back at it dan why is that the first thing that he brings up after saying that

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it's mind twisting and evil because i urges it's very weird to me it's very strange even for alex

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that's weird yeah there's homosexual and lesbian scenes yeah yeah 2003 was uh was different though

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like uh you know that was before gay people were even allowed to marry it's true so uh i i think

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there was a lot more open and vicious uh uh well i mean now there's so much open and vicious hatred

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man the world sucks bummer yep um so look this is all just trying to make implants fashionable

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right body mods yeah yeah jacks in the back of your head yeah and living in the future now

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that's been born out oh yeah we all have jacks we all have jacks in the back of our head yeah

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uh there also is everyone has chip implants and chip plug-ins and this is a good thing

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good thing we have a little speech in there where the machines aren't bad we can fight them with all

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of all of this so it's making it a new fashion statement probably one of the strongest cultural

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movements we've seen in history in modern history is the matrix the video games and the cartoons now

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in the a bunch of spin-off uh cartoons for the big screen and dvd there was they again are

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conditioning the children the anime that it's normal to have plug-ins into your mind wire heads

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as they were called decades ago it is fashionable to have implant points all over your body like

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okay so matrix was popular right yeah and alex is trying to make this argument that like they're

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trying to condition you to get jacks on the back of your head to plug into computers or something

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sure but like if your argument is just that it's popular and there's like spin-off properties like

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what about the ninja turtles oh yeah like they were huge yeah yeah what about that were they

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try what were what were the globalists trying to mainline uh then were they trying to turn us all

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into people who go into goo well i know i know that i had and this i remember specifically i had

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a rafael action figure and what you would do is you would push rafael's head down and it would

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attach to a spring and then you'd uh click it and the head would pop out like he was headbutting you

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right and from that i learned that the illuminati want me to headbutt the shit out of people wait

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wait a second yeah i know rafael was a ninja turtle true what weapon does neo grab when he's

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fighting the mira vingian's goons in that staircase was it was it size he does he does

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yes no shit oh wow neo is rafael this is blowing the whole thing wide open for me oh man perception

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is reality wait wait ninja turtles were preparing us for the matrix right preparing us to take

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the jacks in the back of our head right i mean wasn't it a point of pride in the movie though

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how many people were born naturally who didn't have the jacks and were like happy about it i'm

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pretty sure that that was a i believe so yeah yeah um also the scene that alex is talking about like

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with uh the machines are good or whatever is it's just that scene where the dude takes neo down to

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the engineering level yeah in uh in zion yeah and he's like well you know machines suck but also

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we gotta use them yeah we wouldn't be able to breathe down here yeah yeah so it's like a win

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some lose some situation it was a little heavy-handed in terms of the uh the dialogue but

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you know whatever i guess if alex wants to take that as oh that's right whenever the old guy pulls

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him aside and they're standing on the ledge with all the apartments behind him and no one can see

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them or whatever yeah yeah it's in the middle of the night the thing i loved about that scene is

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like this fucking apartment complex if you want to call it that is gigantic huge that dude the

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counselor or whatever had to have been waiting forever on the off chance that neo would walk

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out of his little apartment so he could walk up and be like do you need some coke hey you want

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to hang out i would have loved for the like a scene of the movie just be like dude he doesn't

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even have like a cell phone to like play a game on or something he's just sitting there twiddling

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his thumbs he's got he's got the neo futuristic version of angry birds and he's just throwing

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plushies off the off the edge shit i hope neo has a bad dream and wakes up he comes out here

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just gonna wait gotta make this look like i'm randomly passing by

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he's hiding around the corner yeah yeah oh when he opens the door yeah so um you know the big set

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piece uh at the end of the movie is uh neo meets with the architect sure who created all the

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previous matrix right right and explains to neo that he is a uh like a uh aberration yeah yeah

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matrix yeah uh he's supposed to go to the source and then everything will reboot reset all over

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again it was built into the code etc etc yeah so alex talks about that a little bit and the

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architect this old man sigmund freud obi-wan kenobi archetype no to both sits there and uh

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tells neo that they have allowed people to leave the matrix that they discovered

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that suppressing an exodus from the matrix

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actually causes a shutdown and a degradation of the 99 that remain inside their exoluthal tanks

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that's correct as human batteries for the power grid surprised he understood and again you find

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out that basically the computers are disembodied spirits are angels are devils and uh have all the

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same carnal desires as humans but with an added uh viciousness like greek god so it is an illuminati

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film through and they tell you we are the proof god okay i that clip was fascinating to me because

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he's kind of getting it but he also doesn't seem to understand that it's a piece of fiction no

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and then second he doesn't get that the characters in the matrix that like neo runs into are supposed

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to be programmed yeah he doesn't get like the idea that these are their programs in a computer no

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no they explicitly say things that are like oh that's what you are yeah you know like uh the

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guy who fights neo before he goes to talk to the uh the oracle is like he he's basically like a

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password screen yeah yeah whatever to authenticate totally whenever they go through all those doors

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like it's the back door in a program like they talk about this pretty explicitly almost constantly

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yes to the point where you're like wait and is when is he gonna fight microsoft word yeah they

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aren't greek gods yeah or anything yeah he's gonna like clippy yeah exactly what is this gonna show

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up agent smith absorbs clippy you're trying to destroy the make matrix would you like some help

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with that oh god yeah i don't understand i don't understand how you can like get half of it i guess

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and not the the the bigger picture yeah the oracle herself itself is a program and not a person or

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an actual oracle at delphi yes yeah so i have now uh my notes from the matrix reloaded they're

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getting intense you remember i do appreciate that your handwriting is much larger than mine

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um that was just sort of like so i could scribble you know like i see so i could watch it and also

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like half ha ha haphazardly take notes gotcha so here i'm just gonna read the notes uh-huh

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as they appear on the page michael from lost exclamation point true i forgot that michael

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from lost was in this he's one of the main characters he is one of the main characters yes

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he's like one of the four people of in abaca and he's great yeah he's really great i love that guy

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he's really good in the role too yep i don't want him to get hurt yeah um what oh this is just a

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little note one of the fun things about the matrix is how important non-neo characters are that's

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true you know what is it is like he's the chosen one and all this but none of it would be possible

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like what he's doing if it weren't for other things that like morpheus is doing or niobe is

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doing like everyone else has like parts that they need to play in order for him to be able to live

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up to his oneness totally or whatever i think that's great it is absolutely no coincidence

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either that all of those characters are from a diverse set of backgrounds with a bunch of

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different possibilities within that yeah yeah yeah my next note roy jones jr i forgot that

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roy jones jr is in this i also forgot that roy jones jr was in that i almost forgot oh man yeah

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one of the one of the great albums one of the great uh rap albums uh round one the album uh

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roy jones jr weird who want to get knocked out who want to fight roy jones who want to be next

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now that i think about it that is weird oh yes oh boy yeah weird yep okay uh there's that scene

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where there's two oh this is just a stupid note so there's a scene where there's like agent smith

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turns another person into an agent smith yeah each other yeah they made the staring thing i

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just wrote two agent smith should kiss totally they had to have at some point right it felt

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like they were going they had to have um all right um what would you do if you met you dad

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i probably think you'd fall in love i don't think so i'd probably try and beat myself

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so i i thought that it was a little bit tacky that the beef between morpheus and the commander

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was about niobe was about a woman like i thought that was a little bit uh easy uh yeah especially

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when we're dealing with on the other hand there's part of me that thinks it's a good character

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choice because despite the fact that we're dealing with such an end of the world level threat of

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course people are still going to have those dumb little uh personal beefs you know what i'm saying

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i get that it's a little bit convenient and a little simple exactly i fucking love harry lenox

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dude who plays the commander he is great he is really really good he is oh what a fucking hard

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ass for no reason half the time but also this is my next note he's not wrong to doubt morpheus no

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no no agree totally rational morpheus is out of pocket he's doing all kinds of shit he's

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ignoring the chain of command yes fully understand yeah um the other the other thing too that i was

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thinking about is like you know you you you forget i guess if you haven't seen these movies in a

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while you kind of forget that everybody hates neo and and morpheus basically they're not the heroes

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to the powers that be in the the human world right of zion like they are not like they are out like

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you said they're out of pocket yeah totally and you forget that it's they're they're they're

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basically populist leaders alex should love this yeah to a certain to a certain uh interpretation

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too you can view that as like it is a positive thing that these people will just completely

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ignore orders and completely ignore the the uh current power structure in order to fight what

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they believe is is true and correct but also what if they were wrong they've just killed all of

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humanity so there's that yeah you know uh next note i love a cave but zion sucks um i do love

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a cave uh i just didn't care for the aesthetic of of zion i will tell you about the cave we when i

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i watched that movie with uh my best friend and his dad because uh i can't remember how

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old we were at the time but it wasn't like cool for us to go because my parents heard

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that there was a tit in the dance scene in the cave oh no oh there was a tit my friend really

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oh no joke oh could you have spotted it unless somebody told you way in advance there's a lot

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of people there's tons of people but that was enough for my family to be like hey there might

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be a tit and not being able to see that leads me to my next note and that is this cave is way too

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big that was a giant cave everyone's having their their uh their moment the tribal beats and the

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rave it's too big the acoustics were great in that cave it's too big it's ridiculously big

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uh next note uh fishburn not good i don't think he was carrying his weight i think the first movie

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he did so much yeah that in this one he was allowed to just kind of be in the background

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yeah you know i was just not uh that i was not that into him um so next note is neo a virgin

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look when he and trinity are hooking up sure is that his first time i mean in the real world it

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has to be doesn't it i would think so yeah that's interesting what not very but a little bit

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interesting what what kind of what kind of dick prowess could you have if you've only done it in

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the imaginary world i don't know i mean maybe hey if you come in in the matrix you come in real life

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is that true i think so if you die in the matrix then yeah so everybody's goo is gross as shit

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next note keanu is not enough of a blank slate like when he was sitting there talking to the

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the oracle yeah i was like he's supposed to be like a blank slate that's kind of you know you

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have sure he's he has too much agency for the role that he's in i think okay all right i might

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be wrong but yeah i think we could i i would need to watch the movie again and then we could really

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get into it i got a little bit bored uh there's because it drives a little bit yeah and i i

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this note is this movie is just a video game everything is a fetch quest yeah that's a good

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point constantly over and over again yeah yeah oh you have to go get the key maker oh the key maker

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takes you to a door like you know over and over again like you have to go to a oh and then once

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you get there oh no you gotta go to b oh no you gotta go to c it's it's a little bit clunky but

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like i said like once they get to the the like highway chase scene things pick up business

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business picks up yeah yeah you forget a little bit of like they're just going around doing a

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quest right all right you get lost you get absorbed in it a little bit more but at the

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beginning it's it was a drag oh uh later on it's borderline a heist film in that way of

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like a problem arises we have to go somewhere and get the you know like uh like oceans 11 we got to

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go get the uh emp from some other place because ours broke or whatever yeah yeah like that kind

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of thing next note hugo weaving is a monster he's killing it he hmm he's good he is good he's good

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at acting he's good at uh agent smith i don't know about my uh my boys elrond i have a different

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interpretation of the elrond but that's fine that's fine i'm talking about just in this film

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he is crushing i get it i get it also i didn't really have as much of a memory of who the bad

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guy is like obviously in the first movie the bad guy is the matrix it's the mature sure and i kind

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of thought that was true in the second movie too and then agent smith becomes the villain in the

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third one i didn't realize that it was really clear early in the second movie and it's agent

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oh yeah yeah yeah the matrix and the machines are no longer really like they're an impediment maybe

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yeah they're a hassle but the bad guy is clearly agent smith yeah it's a virus yeah yeah um also

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this is this is just a little bit of a nitpick thing uh neo stops bullets yes you know yeah

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why is he ever punched sometimes you get punched he has telekinesis i don't understand why nobody

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threw a bottle of power raid at him that he can also stop with his matrix powers yeah that seems

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to make the most sense to me and then while he's stopping the power raid he could scold alex

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this will give you power uh i thought the cga fight scenes looked amazing for being made in

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2003 totally they hold up they look like sometimes like a little bit of it's a little bit cartoony

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you can tell it's digital but like considering that this is 18 years old or yeah yeah it's

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amazing there was a point in the agent smith fight where you so clearly see it go from people trying

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to actually do a choreography to uh like complete cgi stuff where you're like okay well this might

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be uh a little bit on the uncanny valley but but it's not like it wasn't so much that that it took

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me out of the experience of watching the fight scene totally no like you get like oh yeah that's

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that's digital or whatever but it's not distracting and it's a cool fight scene yeah uh next note

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everyone is right all of the humans are right morality is complicated everyone disagrees with

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it everyone disagrees and everyone is right

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i thought that was a little bit weird i do i like that i like that a lot i like that everybody's

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right but everybody is also disagreeing about yeah yeah it's complicated maybe they have across

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purposes kind of you know like maybe it's like you have the same goal and the way that you think

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we're going to get to that goal is correct right uh but it might be sort of contradictory next note

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two exclamation points on this one no you haven't used two exclamation points for three years

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correction three oh shit this is unprecedented cornell west

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wait cornell west is in there i forgot that he plays one of the members of the tribunal

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he does not it's cornell west yes get the fuck out of here i was like that can't be cornell west

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it is it's cornell i will be that i feel like i should have remembered yes although probably the

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first time i saw it i had no idea who cornell west was why would i know why would i be a 12 year old

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that's like a huge cornell west guy yeah it's it's possible that you just had no idea but it's it's

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outrageous he's one of the people who's on the board or whatever yeah whenever uh they're talking

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about sending two more captains yeah help out with an old guy the old the old guy who talks

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yeah and then there's the old lady and then it's cornell west there's a couple other people but

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yeah those are the three that have speaking roles bananas yep so this is from the mira

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vingian scene okay i forgot that that woman orgasmed from eating the cake that he sent her

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that's true that was tacky that was really weird uh because because the only thing that

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you can think of while that's going on is somebody right next to her going i'll have what she's

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having like that's literally what's happening yeah and the way that the matrix code goes in

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between her legs and then there's an explosion i was like this i would i would have taken another

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pass at this this is this is totally not in line with the rest of this movie also does the code

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in your genitals give you an orgasm it's an explosion right okay all right um so uh

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uh the mira vingian's wife monica belucci uh i just thought this was really funny this computer

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program really wants to get kissed

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i don't know why it does seem like that mm-hmm i i i was watching them go in and out of doors

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and it made me think of the adjustment bureau okay i have nothing else to add to that i just

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thought of the adjustment bureau all right they wear the hats they do wear the hats i recall um

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i i liked the twins i liked the twins the dreadlocked albino twins this is aggressive

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i don't know why you're pointing at me because i remember not liking them the first time i saw the

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movie oh okay okay i remember thinking it was a little bit uh dumb or whatever but like their

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powers are really well defined and well done in the movie yeah they can choose when to have

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physical form essentially so they can be in danger from a knife or a gun or whatever like the way

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they go in and out of cars yeah yeah it's very fun it's a well imaginative yeah yeah um and that

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the only thing i didn't like is that like they apparently die in an explosion they could have

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just gone on corporeal at any time yeah um also neo should just have told uh trinity that

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he saw her death in the matrix would have really cut down on time it certainly would have been more

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i don't know because they have a they have what's presented as a good relationship yes they seem to

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really care about each other correct and it does not make sense that he wouldn't trust her with

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that kind of information they're in a post uh like apocalyptic hellscape world let's be on the level

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with each other yeah yeah yeah honesty is the best policy whenever uh everything is collapsed

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three exclamation points again okay steaks so the movie has clear steaks oh okay okay everything is

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very clearly like immediately flashback to the joey pants situation oh no no that was the first

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movie like wait are there more steak eating scenes no i i i think that the steaks were a lot clearer

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than i expected them to be yes yeah it made a lot of sense and then uh the last thing that i i uh

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last note was from the architect scene um you know so he says that you can go to the source

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and then you choose people to repopulate zion like we've done the last five times sure who was the

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last one who did that and created this zion right who was that was that i don't know i know oh oh

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okay you're you're telling me i mean was it the exact same neo was it it can't be the same neo

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because later on we find out he made a different choice or is it the same neo who's learned from

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his previous choices i don't know but it's a turncoat it's it's whoever the last uh one was

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is not a good uh character yeah i mean that's that is that kind of like really dangerous choice

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of theoretically he could just wind up wiping out the human race and he could just wipe out the

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he could just wind up wiping out the human race entirely if that neo and i don't know why we're

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using a gender pronoun for this uh could be anybody but uh you know he's the the person

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is faced with the choice of like is everybody going to die or am i going to reboot this perhaps

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infinitely but if i reboot it at least we got another go right you know so there's that there's

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that uh moral quandary there um i hated the architect because uh too freudian no to obi-wan

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no i mean you can't replace uh big words for uh actually making sense you know so there's a lot

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of that where i'm like you're just using that word because you know people aren't gonna look

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up the definition later i feel like it made enough sense yeah to like it's it's serviceable

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no contextually you get it but from a fine granular kind of if i'm combing through the

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script i'm crossing out five dollar words left and right yeah yeah that might be a good note

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but also i did enjoy how like you know the obviously the movie is building towards like a

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climax of like something you think is gonna maybe be like action oriented yeah yeah and then neo

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walks through the door and it's just an old dude sitting there that is fun yeah it is fun there's

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some there's some subversion of tropes there yeah yeah um anyway my review overall not bad okay

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all right you know i don't like movies that much but i enjoyed at least half of it like i think

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it was really slow starting yeah like when they're in zion and all that it's it was tough to get

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through yeah i was like i'm gonna turn this off like 15 minutes in i was like i can't sit here

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and watch this but i pushed through and i enjoyed once it got cooking yeah i recall there being a

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lot of vitriol towards reloaded and uh and then even more towards uh revolution yeah uh but i

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think that also might be because we were coming off the back of uh uh the phantom menace and

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attack of the clones at the same time so everybody's just furious at every movie and i

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think that the first matrix is almost an impossible challenge to follow up totally like i think that

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that was that was something that caught on so huge yeah and and blew minds like i i don't even

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know what you would do if you like we were trying to make another one yeah i think they did a fine

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job yeah especially with a massive budget that you're expected to show in the film you know like

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the original matrix was so well uh written and so tight because of those uh you know budget

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challenges at least partially not of course because of them yeah but that that kind of uh

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we got to figure out a way to do this that's cheap is a lot of times a really interesting uh and uh

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uh font of creativity necessity is the mother of invention there we go i would i could have said it

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like other people do uh-huh well i am the architect um so alex gets uh to talking about the

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uh how like in 25 years we're all gonna be plugged in that's true we're gonna be plugged

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into machines man oh we're counting down it's not just wired magazine silicon weekly and many other

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publications including salon today that are warning you of the takeover last year a new army

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war college report in 2000 came out and said within 25 years we will all be in a hive mind

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that the pentagon will oversee the insertion of the public into a control grid that we will all

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be mounted in our homes wired in to a global government mind control computer see that's

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kind of fun because alex could take that clip and he could be like look at facebook sure sure you

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know like he's like i was right yeah yeah he's not no he's talking about the matrix and talking

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about that being real yeah and there's something uh in your in your house that you're plugged into

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or whatever like it's not it's not a metaphorical um oh my god social media is gonna take off no

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and there were people already at the time going like social media might not be a good idea to have

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it take off and they were people who had studied real life technology and real life trends towards

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that they weren't like it's gonna be exactly like the matrix dog eyes come on dub dubs the movie's

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evil yeah come on that's reality all this is though like this whole movie everything is just

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preparing you jordan sure to go into the matrix okay they are preparing you for your journey into

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the real matrix now if you're shocked by this i have been warning you long before the matrix came

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out this was their plan the elite of course will not be implanted and most of you are going to be

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killed after they release mass plagues this is if they get you herded into the larger cities

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and yesterday i read from wired news out of the newest darpa document where they say everything

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you do will be tracked and traced and you will be plugged in to this system i'm sure you saw all the

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you saw all the newscast in the same exact words in the same order uh that wired article in case

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you did not listen to our last episode was about a research proposal that darpa had for a program

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called life log uh which didn't end up happening and we're not in the matrix we're not so or are

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we we wouldn't know uh exhausting yes so um i feel exhausted by those sorts of questions where you're

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like well maybe we are what is totally totally great yeah um fun alex finds it painful to watch

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movies like the matrix it was painful but he's still gonna buy a copy well of course

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this is real truth is stranger than fiction and to have the illuminati shout at me for two hours was

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very very painful uh i was nauseated during the first 30 minutes of the film i will have to of

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course when it's on dvd get a copy and try to freeze frame it now i'll still give him my money

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but you know like i will i just am i i'm just blown away by that statement out of a human

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after what he said yeah i mean like he thinks that the illuminati yelled at him for two hours

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and part of that was a powerade commercial yeah that he took personally was the powerade

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commercial on the original dvd or do you have to get the director's cut i think i played in

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theaters you can find it on youtube okay i found it um so anyway this this movie was the most

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gripping that's a positive review word right yeah it tends to be it's a gripping instance of mind

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control i mean it's hard to keep people entertained for two hours it's difficult uh there were other

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subliminals here i'm not sure exactly what the covert subliminals were they're really good then

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in the front of the film at higher levels and then saturated in emotional scenes when your

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conscious mind is diverted in the primitive combat function mammalian activity structure

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so this is what we're facing i recommend that uh you do not see the film i know the

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reverse psychology will probably see it though curiosity killed the cat i was i felt like

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walking out of the film it was the most gripping but i'm gonna buy it overt mind control i have

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ever experienced i don't know if you could do a better commercial for the matrix movie to alex's

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audience than that yeah like that is catnip to them they will they're all gonna flock to the

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theater to like like oh my god i was able to resist the mind control no it's like one of those

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it's like one of those uh marketing strategies where they try and piss off christians because

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then they know real people will watch it and be like oh i get it you know this is fun i'm doing

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this to make whiny old church ladies angry at me yeah so this next clip just confused me okay

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the oldest form of mind control is superstition the witch doctor

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knew when the solar or lunar eclipse was coming it's really offensive and he was generally part

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of a hereditary guild or kind of your first masonic lodge no and he didn't know why there

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was an eclipse but he knew when it was coming and it happened so infrequently that people would

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forget about it he could use that knowledge to shock and amaze members of the tribe

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and then get special favors the best hut the best women the best food so i guess according to alex

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like witch doctors are illuminati i think that's what he's saying man i will tell you this right

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now yeah i think the thing that scares him more than the matrix reloaded more than uh oblivion

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that's weekend at bernie's too because if you recall i think we all know what happened to uh

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bernie in that situation was there an eclipse he was brought back to life and ambulatory by a uh

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what we we would have called at the time a witch doctor yeah i i know that i've heard these sorts

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of ideas from alex and they they come from like weird colonial era literature totally uh about

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the like uh the horrible depictions of yeah uh folks um the i i know that i've heard these

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thoughts but i didn't know that his idea of like shamans being part of a guild an ancestral guild

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sure i didn't know that part of it which i think is really funny i think that's hilarious to

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imagine that he thinks that all of these these shamans or whatever uh yeah they were somehow

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linked up back in the day and you know what they got the best huts that's i just that's what the

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scam was what a fucking ignorant and racist thing to think without learning anything about it at all

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it's interesting to question whether like he got this from some other very misguided source or if

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he wrote it himself yeah in his head and i'm not sure um so i feel like alex is kind of

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as it relates to the matrix he's really caught up in it being a little gay when you see a society

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in decline the empire's always use superstition and gladiatorial diversions to divert and distract

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them and that's exactly what i saw in the matrix an overall globalist in your face admitting its

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revelation of the method illuminati terms uh homosexual orgies and much much more this is

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a corrupting film he brings up way more than once that there's like there are things that are

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homosexual in nature right that's a real sticking point for him so what he's saying is that the

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elites in the middle of a crumbling empire will do their best to distract you with superstition

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and uh gladiatorial type combats a certain sort uh so that is why alex is giving us the christian

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point of view of a movie it makes sense yeah fair enough so i thought like man what fun we got a

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movie review alex was off base on a lot of stuff he's gonna do for the rest of the show yeah i

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feel like there's there's really nowhere else to go after you've dug into the reloading there's

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one place to go okay and that's to the phone sure alex takes a call and this guy is uh he's

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a disabled person and he wants to know what the globalists are going to do with him oh no oh no

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no 50 years old march and uh anyway i i was my left eye was put out with a rock when i was four

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so i had to use my right eye uh pretty much all my life and it's getting to where i can hardly read

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and uh but i was in a real bad wreck at uh well i had to go on total disability it messed my neck

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and my spine up and uh i had to become totally disabled and i was just wondering what's going

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to happen to me when all this stuff comes about they're going to just get away with me they are

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they are going to uh put you in the compact city and you will live in a small one-room apartment

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with arm swat teams all about you cameras everywhere thumb scan to get your food and

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the first time you get sick they're not going to treat you they're going to put you on hospice

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strap you down and dehydrate you to death it's terrible ain't it well i don't mean to scare you

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scary doesn't mean to scare him what the fuck was that they're gonna dehydrate you that is so

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fucking cruel that dude is clearly struggling he's super fucked up yeah he's really just man

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and then alex just without a fucking thought just makes up some bullshit about how this guy's going

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to be tortured to death in a small apartment under watch of the swat teams wow they're gonna tie him

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down and uh dehydrate him is that what that guy was calling and looking for i don't think it's

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maybe i mean he couldn't possibly have been looking for comfort no no maybe maybe he was

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looking for something uh to justify his his belief in alex yeah it's like well this is

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the horrors that they're going to inflict upon someone like me and their dystopian future yes

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then i must fight and this caller actually does you know i guess he does get what he was looking

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for he hopes that he can fight to the death uh against these people who would seek to dehydrate

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him well i just hope god gives me the guts to uh fight to die as patrick and you're dead well you

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say you have a son yo i got two boys one your job is not to move away and take some jobs and make a

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little more money their job is to take care of you right yeah they don't take care of you they're

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going to hell what i mean honor thy father and mother of course that is the commandment more

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important than all sure uh but also no also no huge no that seemed that seemed a little bit out

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of place for what i know of alex like your kids got to take care of you they're going to hell

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what a very strange man yeah what a strange man to react like this to a guy who's clearly in pain

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yeah and all the time i feel like these are interesting glimpses into things that you know

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he would say or support but wouldn't really necessarily come up if it weren't for callers

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yeah totally that's why i kind of enjoy that there's a lot more callers uh in the past also

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yeah i do like finding out more and more little tiny details of his weird cosmology of like well

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obviously if you don't stay with your parents and take care of them until their death you go to hell

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yeah yeah satan will uh grab you is that why his dad works there must be must be um so another

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caller calls in he wants to he's been he's big into relitigating the civil war um here's a couple

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points okay over a hundred thousand soldiers from the union army deserted lincoln ended up with a

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general who was a drunk i mean the the odds and the north and later on a president lincoln was

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like lincoln was a very spiritual man no yeah his wife was in the adult well his wife is a different

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story i hear you listen i appreciate the call i gotta go and they uh have it weird that lincoln

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shows up on a episode where he hates homosexuality so much so we get uh alex goes to break and he

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comes back and he gets another call and uh this guy is just watched a tv show about hitler sure

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and uh he wants to make some comparisons to george bush i do like these calls too yeah uh the wording

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uh the phrasing that uh hitler used in his speech before the Reichstag after the Reichstag fire to

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get uh passage of the enabling act which gave him uh all-encompassing powers did somebody

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take that i'd like somebody to send me that please i didn't but i certainly hope somebody does because

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you you will love it alex you're gonna love it so this guy's saying that the phrasing that hitler

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used yeah and arguing for the enabling act is the same as the phrasing that george bush is using

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yeah he didn't tape this he has no idea alex hasn't seen it it's just a conversation of people

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you catch that thing on tv yep okay wild whatever i have a theory i have a theory that i've been

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working on for a long time which is that part of why we are where we are now is so many people

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have been so obsessed with watching documentaries about hitler and the rise of uh the nazis that

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over time it's turned into a sort of admiration for that for a lot of people which is why we see

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all of these conversations in comparisons to hitler from the far right about everybody else

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despite them adopting those tactics tactics almost whole cloth you know what i'm saying yeah i think

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i think they're like it was effective i think you could learn the wrong lessons yes um so alex and

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this caller while they're talking about hitler and his speech that is mirroring uh george w bush um

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they they get into a little bit of a hey let's recast the bush administration but with their

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sort of their analog in the sure sure sure the hitler administration of course of course

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the comparison between the bush administration and the hitler administration john ashcroft

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homeland security patriot act yeah john ashcroft heinrich heinrich heimler heinrich heinrich

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heimler yeah and we've got um i guess ridge is kind of the herman guring and cheney is um well

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i guess kind of a behind the scenes guy but it's it's they're not going to get away with it

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it's rumsfeld gabbles

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it's rumsfeld gerbils gabble's rub spelled gabbles

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i need to be in more situations where that question is asked of me yeah so john ashcroft

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was the attorney general for bush this is not analogous to himbler who was the reichfuhrer

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yeah he was the commander of the ss if you want to be overly generous you could say like he was

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metaphorically the head of the joint chiefs maybe something like that maybe he was just colon pal

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tom ridge is the secretary of homeland security right herman gering was the head of the luftwaffe

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and then he was in control of the reich tag so an equivalent here might be the speaker of the house

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or maybe vice presidents and so the president of the senate sure sure cheney's behind the scenes

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guy with no parallel so i'm gonna ignore that apparently rumsfeld is gerbils which is fucking

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nuts yeah that's carl rove is gerbils yeah anyone who knows how to book a fantasy nazi team knows

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that it's a disgrace that alex doesn't like no it's rove yeah it's it's could not have been more

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rove ever yeah no there's only rove and gerbils like it's those two it's very very simple so

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gabbles um he had some ideas about uh the big lie that is that is so much like how uh how gabbles

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he had some ideas about the big lie right you tell a big enough lie and people will believe it

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bigger lie harder it is for people to you know whatever the big lie alex has some thoughts about

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that well joseph gabbles was hitler's minister of propaganda he's the one who said when you tell a

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lie make it big repeat it often and most of the people will believe it and some people say that

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that quote is i don't ever bother what our enemies do is tell a big lie and tell it often enough but

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that they were still explaining what they did i don't know i seem to remember from sarah's book

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uh as the way i quoted it but i may well be wrong but uh but what i'm saying is some people say that

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that's taken out of context but no they're explaining how the big lie works regardless

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it's a statement of fact so some people think that was taken out of context is there anything

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more american than two old white guys talking about nazis that they haven't bothered to read

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about so gerbils took the concept of the big lie actually from another source sure from mine comp

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yeah hitler's book yep the passage in question had to do with hitler blaming everything that

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went wrong in world war one on the jews the jews had committed a big lie about what had gone down

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when alex says that gerbils points out that their enemies use a big lie what he's failing to point

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out is that the actual context of the quote is nazi propaganda against jews yeah the big lie

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was the bit was the lie about jews being the problem that was the big lie yeah the big lie

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wasn't the jews lying about their involvement the big lie was telling people that it alex is doing

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a great job of putting uh history into context for his this is awesome great hey this is the

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guy who said that hitler and stalin were complete badasses he's read so many books about world war

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two millions so alex gets another caller and this this is my kind of cat okay he wants to know a

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very specific question uh he wants the answer uh from alex and that is what bible do you read man

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and this is a loaded question sure because this means something to this caller obviously he thinks

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that some uh versions of the bible are not accurate yeah yeah some things like a like a

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newer version the king james or the niv or whatever it is you'd like there are some books

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that are added yeah yeah yeah maybe he's somebody who's into some non-canonical books maybe who

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knows i love this kind of question because it's very specific and there's a specific answer that

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you should give okay if you're a religious person uh-huh you should have an opinion even if that

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opinion is i think a lot of different translations sure uh are okay sure you should have an answer

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alex whiffs uh let's talk to george in colorado thanks for holding george you're on the air

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yeah how you doing man i'm a first-time listener and uh i gotta know where you stand on a couple

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of things um on sunday morning when you go to church uh just wondering uh what bible you

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carried to uh church with you well i don't go to church i don't go to the worship the government

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and and learn a masonic religion most of these i can't really find a church here locally i

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occasionally go to tex mars church which is good oh no no oh no no so okay so alex doesn't go to

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churches but when he does he goes to tex mars noted anti-semite yeah yeah yeah i don't necessarily

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even believe that i think alex is just grasping at straws and that was the only thing that could

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come into his mind of like oh this is a crazy uh right wing extremist uh church i can you know sort

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of signal to yeah um but yeah i mean the caller is just like he wants an answer of like king james

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all the way baby yeah and alex instead is like i only go to uh uh uh insane anti-semite church

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yeah yeah i don't go to church where you worship the government it couldn't be more of an important

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question either because the simple fact is if you want to believe the bible you also have to believe

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that it was divinely inspired so if there's a difference between two different versions of the

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bible that would suggest that people got involved somewhere along the line uh at least in one of the

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versions exactly if there's a discrepancy right so uh this caller is into jesus and that should be

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enough for alex it's not it's just on a spiritual level here and uh from my from here in colorado

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it's like the mecca where all these bibles are published and everything and uh and we take a lot

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of heat and that's what we stand for at our church and uh you know we just believe in the old-time

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religion and uh and serving the lord jesus christ you know and going out personal soul winning and

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you know confrontational soul winning and stuff well i don't do that the cashless society control

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grid of the new world order uh no about uh accepting jesus christ or you know personal

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faith i mean so your church doesn't talk about the new world order though well no well yeah i

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mean of course what i mean you know that's in sermons and everything great listen i appreciate

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the call good to hearing from you george so apparently alex's prerequisite for a church

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to actually be a church is they have to have his political inclination yes and preach about the

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new world order it's not enough that they are aggressively and confrontationally into saving

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souls for jesus yeah that's weird yeah yep yep that's pretty weird yeah you know if there's

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anything i've always thought about religion it's that it should be in politics non-stop yep so

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alex gets another caller and this guy is kind of into hitler i believe troy in new york you're on

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the air go ahead yes uh thank you for allowing me to speak and be heard oh no about the big lie

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technique the anti-christ accused uh hitler of inventing and propagating the big lie technique

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this accusation is in fact the big lie technique in action well um you know it's not not the devil

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who reveals the tricks of the devil it's the anti-devil who reveals the tricks of the devil

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oh so i guess he's saying that the jews are the devil so wait so the anti-christ toll said that

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hitler no the anti-christ doesn't reveal the anti-christ plans right it's a good thing to

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reveal the anti-christ plans in my comp hitler talked about how the jews were to blame right

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for everything in world war one and the big lie was uh like pointing the finger at nationalist

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leaders right right and so that is hitler revealing the anti-christ plans which was

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i mean if you look at it just very clearly saying that the jews are yeah that's basically what he's

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saying yes yeah that's why i'm concerned right it's concerning issue yes there is a problem

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especially after you know alex has said that he goes to text mars's church yikes like this is

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just this is deeply anti-semitic yeah everything that's going on here yeah i don't i but man you

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could just get away with a lot of shit oh yes oh man and then it gets even worse because uh

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a name gets dropped and alex although he should be denouncing this person will not

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because i was hearing that guy forgot his name he's from what was his name is david

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david j smith waukesa hatchee texas yes yeah and he was saying you know it's a new world order and

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there's not much that we can do about it because you know it's in the bible and i was just

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you know uh that's what a lot of people think you know they think well it's in the bible and

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certainly bad things happen bad things are going to happen but we have a job to warn people to

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wake folks up and we can do something about that and uh at the same time you know people thought

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that hitler was the anti-christ you can't fight him at the end of the world some of the christians

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thought that they thought scallan was they thought mal was so every thug that comes along

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the churches are being paid off not to speak out and fight it i'm not saying david j smith's doing

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that he's a good guy i'm talking about the big establishment 501c3s so david j smith is doing

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the same thing that all of these evil churches are they've been paid off to do it yeah he's saying

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there's no use in fighting the new world order or whatever but alex is like no he's cool yeah well

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he's doing it for free um if you don't recall david j smith is the preacher who's super into

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british isrealism yeah i i do recall that uh very much a white identity uh proponent and yeah the

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true jews are white people yeah yeah so now we have two examples within like 10 minutes of alex's

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show of two very anti-semitic preachers uh that alex is a fan of yeah and won't speak ill of uh

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he's a good guy that's bad man yeah that's that's really bad yeah yeah and especially because one of

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the things that we've thought for so long is that he went under the radar with his anti-semitism by

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just renaming it globalism that he's just openly anti-semitic here is kind of mind-boggling like

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does he hide it later well i think i think that he probably doesn't experience all of this stuff

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as being as anti-semitic that's true that's true well yeah it is it's super anti-semitic so let's

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let's take a load off let's get a little bit uh lighter this has been you know some heavy stuff

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with these calls a lot of a lot of hatred and uh this is just a good fun it's one of the things

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that i think is is one of the treats one of the delights of going back to the past and that is

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that there's a running theme that keeps going on through alex's show and that is that people from

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the republic of texas keep calling and wanting to like get alex's take on things sovereign citizen

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stuff yes yeah yeah they expect alex to be on board because he wants to secede and what have you

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but he hates these people uh let's talk to dewayne in texas dewayne you're on the air go ahead

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oh alex appreciate your uh time and uh the name is wayne not dewayne but wayne and uh i was just

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checking to see if you have gotten my letter and i think you'll recognize it because it had the

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texas flag on the envelope and on the letterhead yeah i've got your letter good i need a fax number

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from you it's not over the air but you can fax my fax well sir i don't know if i can you know i

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barely have time to read these letters i understand let's respond to them i understand what's on your

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mind sir i just received a letter from the uh republican national committee wanting my opinions

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i answered their questionnaire and then i'm sending them a three-page letter of my opinion

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yes and what are your opinions well my opinions are that the only way we're going to beat this

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citizen start small and for texas to start the process for succession and then but to do that

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we can't have 14 fruitcakes pop up and claim themselves presidents of texas

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alex is just so mad at these republic of texas people not a big tent

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it's not a big enough tent for 14 presidents oh yes i got your letter that that is the

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that is the that's the moment just that deflation of that that i got your letter that familiarity

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of like i know exactly who i'm talking to this is happening this is gonna happen is this the

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president of texas calling in i have to i have to let you talk a little bit because i know

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so many of my listeners are you and there isn't really all that much uh air between us there's not

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there's not a real substantive difference between what we believe yeah i just hate you i just hate

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you because you won't shut up about it i want to talk about the matrix reloaded yeah for an hour

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yeah and take uh aggressively anti-semitic calls yes and now i have to be like oh the government's

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a lie so here's how we wrap up uh alex has taken some calls he has a he has a guest uh who talks

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to for a bit in the third hour um who's someone who ran a um a a union in new mexico and they

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got evicted uh because they had a uh war protest yeah and great yeah great that is something that

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you should probably you know you know point out or whatever alex wouldn't do that in the present day

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no um but also i don't know if i'm really that interested in this because like obviously

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personally i agree that they shouldn't have been evicted yeah but i understand that having a

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demonstration could have been a breach of their lease sure so i understand and i don't understand

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why alex would be against the landlord's right to evict someone for having a rally yeah yeah yeah

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i don't know it's politically bizarre and i i don't know so they talk for a bit in one way i

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am like you know part of protest is that there are going to be consequences for it you can't protest

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and think that it's not a protest if no one is going to fight back you know that's just uh advice

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much like um much like uh the matrix too need to be stakes yes absolutely and then on the other

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hand fuck you yeah you for evicting them fair enough yeah uh so here's the last clip and we

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posted an article on infowars.com about the mara maraginian bloodline what they talk about matrix

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too i don't suggest it's mind control folks i've seen it it's mind control man i control folks i've

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seen it someone like me is strong enough to stand up to the mind control you might not be don't go

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ahead do you know how strong he is he can't he can't be mind control he's going to buy the movie

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just so he can test himself against its mind control or dan it's good practice or dan perhaps

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all of the mind control that he was concerned about is not the mind control they were thinking

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about maybe they were mind controlling him into buying the dvd yeah he also uh has a fridge full

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of powerade and he doesn't know why exactly yes i'm so mad at powerade he's chugging powerade and

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saying these mind tricks don't work on me the only way to get rid of powerade is to drink it all

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that's true that's what's gonna happen i'm gonna drink the whole business dry powerade is a finite

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resource and eventually i'll get to the end of it eventually we're gonna run out of power and i'll

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teach them i'll show them i'll give them all my money yeah so i guess in terms of this the the

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you know obviously they needed to get to the point where he actually sees the movie yes that's great

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yeah and in terms of preparation for an episode this included me watching a movie so right you

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know that's a nice little derivation from the norm fun um but yeah we'll be back uh on our

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next episode where alex will not be reviewing the matrix hopefully hopefully uh but until then

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jordan we have a website we do have a website it's knowledgefight.com yep we're also on twitter we

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are on twitter it's at knowledge fight now go to bed jordan on facebook we are facebook like down

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god's work right now yeah we'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm uh dzx clark i'm darryl

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rundis i'm the marigigian andy in chansas you're on the air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a

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first time caller i'm a huge fan i love your work i love you