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N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight

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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating

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knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray

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I have great respect for knowledge fight

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys

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good guys saying we are the bad guys

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knowledgefight

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Dan and Jordan, knowledgefight

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Miller, Miller, Miller

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need, need money

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Miller, Miller, Miller

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Andy and Kansas, Andy and, Andy and

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stop it, Andy and, Andy and Kansas

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Andy, Andy, it's time to pray

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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding us

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Hello Alex, I'm a victim caller, I'm a huge fan

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I love your work

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knowledgefight

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knowledgefight.com

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I love you

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan

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I'm Jordan

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages

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and talk just a little bit about Alex Jones

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Indeed we are Dan

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What up? Dan

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What up playboy?

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Are you panicking?

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Why?

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Are you panicking over vape fever?

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Oh yeah, I mean I guess these, this whole thing is going on

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I am so sick of this bullshit

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Is that your question?

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I know right?

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Is that your question?

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Absolutely, I want to hear your thoughts on this

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Well I was thinking about this and it happened

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I'm old enough now, I'm 35

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I'm old enough and have

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a career as someone who has smoked things

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for long enough

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to realize that it kind of happens

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every generation

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There's kind of a little bit of a panic

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of some kind that we're marketing things to children

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and then you restrict

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everybody's access to fun stuff

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Like when I was, I would call it

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19, 20ish or so

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I smoked cigarettes

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and Camel came out with a line

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of cigarettes that would come in a tin

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and they were like, there was a vanilla flavor

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Oh yeah, I remember those

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There was an orange chocolate

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Like these were like really awesome

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cool flavors that they had

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I fucking love these things

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And there was a big stink about that

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and they ended up having to get them out of the stores

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because they were selling them to kids

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And I mean the same things have lingered for a long time

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Like you can't sell menthol cigarettes

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100 feet from a school in Chicago

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or whatever, you have these weird rules

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about like, these appeal to children

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therefore, gone

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And now we're just going through with the next generation of technology

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with the vapes, I think it's fucking lame

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I understand that like, I don't know

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a cotton candy vape cartridge

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might appeal to a younger person

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but you know what? I'm 30 fucking 5

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and I want to buy one too

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I'm not proud of that

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but I do

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I bought the sour gummy worm flavor from the

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vape shop

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I have to try them, I love the novelty

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I like the weirdness of it

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and I don't appreciate this government overreach

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Oh man, it's so stupid

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It's so fantastic

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But I do also understand that there are

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problems that are possibly coming to light

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about vape use

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that we just didn't have enough time

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to really understand some of the

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dangers about them

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Right, right, right, for sure

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If things are motivated along those lines

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and there are restrictions that are made

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I kind of understand, but if it's just flavor based

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then fuck off

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So that's my speech on vapes

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I was wondering

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Yeah, I'm not thrilled with that

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I also just miss those camels that came in a tin

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I love those fucking vapes

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I just, everybody has pointed it out

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but it is never not hilarious to me

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that it's like, Walmart, we're never

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selling vapes again!

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I'll take two packs of camel, thank you very much

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Wonderful

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Yeah, it's a mess

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I have a lot of feelings about flavored tobacco

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products and I know a lot about

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Alex Jones

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I think I'm on both now

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So Jordan, today we are getting

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into the long awaited

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and highly anticipated and anxiety

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provoking episode

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of the Alex Jones show from April 15th

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and 16th

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We'll be going over today

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where the Boston Marathon bombing

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happens and we get to see

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how Alex responds to it in real time

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and I sincerely think

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that this is one of the grimmer

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looks at a man

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Great, alright, off to a

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good start

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He does not comport himself well

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Oh, that's a surprise!

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Along the way I have a lot of very fine points

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to make

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It's one of the things that I think is really the most difficult

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and most rewarding of doing this podcast

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and that is that whenever

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there's something like this

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the tragedy happens or news breaks

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you really get to see how Alex

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spins his wheels in real time

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and I think deconstructing

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how the ball

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moves forward, especially in the

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immediate point, I think is really

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revealing. And then also

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I lost respect for someone

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that I previously had respect for

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And it's not Dan Badandi

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It's not Dan Badandi? I assume

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it's not Leo

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There's nothing that could make me lose

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Leo Zagami does not show up over this stretch of time

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Now that would be funny

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That would be wild

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I did it!

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Especially because Alex doesn't know him at this point

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so that would be very strange

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He just walks into studio

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So we'll get into all that

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and I think there's a lot to learn

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a lot to discuss today, but before we get to that

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gotta take a moment to say thank you to some people who have signed up

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and made this anxiety-provoking episode possible

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Love it

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So first of all, thank you to Philip, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Next, Caitlin, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thanks, Caitlin

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Next, Dustin, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thanks, Dustin

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I had a guy I worked at a movie theater with named Dustin

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and his last initial was G

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and it made him furious that his name was Dusting

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Oh no

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And I hope that this person is not living in the same

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gerund-related struggle

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Next, Claire, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Next, Lenoir, I believe

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L-E-N-O-I-R

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Lenoir

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Ah, you are now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Cloth the raven

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Lenoir

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And then finally I'd like to say thank you to a couple of people who have

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donated on an elevated level, we appreciate that very much

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So Santi and Admiral

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Cavendish, thank you

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to you both, you are wonderful

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technocrats

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I'm a policy wonk

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Fantastic, have yourself a brew

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How's your 401k doing, bro?

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Alright, we gotta go full Tilt Boogie on this Watson, alright?

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Let's just get down to business

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We ain't making that money off that heroin

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Why you pimps so good?

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My neck is freakishly large

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I declare Infowar on you

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Thank you so much Santi

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and thank you so much Admiral Cavendish

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Yes, thank you very much

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If you're out there listening and you like the show

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and what we do

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and you'd like to support the efforts

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there, bye

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I'm not sure what it would be

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Yeah, that one's troublesome

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But whatever the case, if you'd like to support our show

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you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com

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Click on the button that says support the show

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We would appreciate it Please do

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So I want to give a tiny little speech here

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just to kick things off

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So we're starting on April 15th

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and on April 15th 2013

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at 2.49 Eastern time

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a bomb detonated near the finish line

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of the Boston Marathon

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15 seconds later a second bomb placed

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210 yards away went off

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3 people were killed but at least

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264 were wounded

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14 of whom required amputations

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The high number of injuries

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was the result of the homemade bombs

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being packed with nails and ball bearings

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meant to be shrapnel to hit as many people as possible

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The bombs themselves were very rudimentary

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which led authorities to believe

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that this could easily be the work of amateurs

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Their basic construction of the bombs

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was just a pressure cooker

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filled with gunpowder, a little wiring

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and the shrapnel

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The gunpowder came from fireworks that were purchased

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and emptied into the pressure cookers

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which is just chilling to think about

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A person with really terrible intentions

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could do so much damage with pretty easy to get

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materials if they're so motivated

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and drawn that direction

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When this all happened

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I was working a terrible temp job

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at an insurance company that I had no business

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being in the underwriting department for

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it was just a very weird circumstance

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They had very little work for me to do

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so a lot of my time was spent reading

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conspiracy message boards to pass the time

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I remember April 15, 2013

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very clearly, and I remember

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how everyone in the conspiracy world was

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following Alex Jones' lead

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So many of the narratives that I heard listening

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back to these episodes were taken

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as concrete fact on the sites

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that I was killing time reading

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and when posters on those sites would be

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pushed to provide a source, it was very

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regularly Infowars links

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I struggled with how to present

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this episode since everyone listening

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knows how this plays out, at least in the real

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world, or at least they know the basics

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of it. Our episode today is going

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to cover exclusively April 15

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and 16, and I kind of feel like

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if I lay out everything that happens

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with the aftermath

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of the bombing and how things

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progress, that'll leave us with very little

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to deconstruct and talk about when

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the later events come around when we cover

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future episodes. So I apologize

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if that's unsatisfying, but I assure you

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we'll cover all that stuff as it unfolds

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For now, by the time

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Alex goes off air on the

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episode on April 16, no one

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knows anything about who did the bombing

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No one knows what their motivations could have

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been, or if they were even working with a terrorist

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group. Here's all the information

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that had come out by the 16th

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Within minutes, it was clear that this was

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not an accident, since there were two explosions

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a ways apart from each other, and

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video footage showed explosions inconsistent

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with a gas main explosion or something

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along those lines. It was clear

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very quickly that this was an attack

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Initially, a whole lot of the media

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coverage was about people

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who saved each other's lives

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In the absence of any concrete things to report

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that seems like the next most important

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story to tell, reassuring people

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People were embodying that Mr. Rogers

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spirit of looking for the helpers

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Obama's press conference

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mirrored this, with him highlighting the bright

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parts of humanity that come out in a tragedy

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The people selflessly helping each other

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The runners continuing to run to the hospital

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to donate blood, inspiring

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and unifying images, basically

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Like, we gotta tell people something

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This is something that Alex

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really doesn't talk about at all

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over the course of these episodes, and sincerely

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the human aspect of this, both

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that's inspirational

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and the part that's tragic

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I don't really see Alex being

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all that interested in any of that stuff

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By the 16th, Obama

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had given his speech, and he'd called this

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an act of terror, but wasn't necessarily

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calling it strongly a terrorist

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attack

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That kind of caused a little bit of weird

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conversation surrounding

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Why aren't you calling this a terrorist attack?

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Which we'll touch on a little bit down the road

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on this episode

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The FBI was quoted by the BBC as calling it

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a potential terrorist investigation

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that they were engaged in

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Boston Police Commissioner Edward Davis held a press conference

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and announced they had no specific intelligence

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that something like this would happen

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in advance

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The country, but Boston in particular, was in a very

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fucked up place

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Something that had such positive connotations

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a marathon, had been turned into something

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terrifying

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Marathons were the sort of thing that you associate with being the culmination

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of hard work and dedication

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with family and friends cheering you on to make

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it those last steps to get across the finish line

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The bombers

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had taken those associations and replaced

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them with blood trails and missing limbs

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which is very hard to deal with

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as a country

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even if you're watching it on TV

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even if you're away from it

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particularly for the people immediately associated

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with what happened

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but everybody

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is reeling to an extent

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And on top of that, the culprits

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were still on the loose

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and there wasn't a lot of clues about who'd done this

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Boston was on high alert with heightened

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law enforcement levels on the streets

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No one knew if this person or persons

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would strike again

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No one knew what to expect

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No one knew anything except that a lot of people got hurt

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and that it was intentional

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This is an incredibly tense situation

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It's one of elevated anxiety

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and one where people crave any information

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to help them make sense of what happened

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It's the kind of situation where someone like Alex Jones

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is at his most dangerous

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Because no one knew

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what the story was of what had happened

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Alex was free to craft the story all his own

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and no one could really prove that he was wrong

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It was the very definition of that

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metaphor I always use about Alex

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needing to act fast

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He needs to act while the concrete is wet

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Until that concrete dries, he can easily

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put his initials in there forever

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but if he waits too long, he's going to need a jackhammer

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to make an impression

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I try to approach this show, our podcast

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from a position with a bit of

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objectivity and elevating myself

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above stuff and not let myself

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get too mad, but I can't sit here and pretend

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that what we're going to go over here today

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doesn't infuriate me

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For one, my family lived in Boston and Cambridge

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from just after I was born until I was

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six years old

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and while I don't remember much of that time too vividly

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nor can I really claim any kind of

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big association with the city

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it's still a part of my life

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I've always held a real fondness for Boston

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and I was a huge fan of the mighty mighty boss tones

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growing up, but ultimately that has little to do

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with my anger

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and I'm not trying to personalize this to myself

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What makes me angry

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is that if you pay attention to Alex

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during the immediate aftermath of this attack

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you can very clearly see that what he's doing

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is intentional

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We often discuss the stupid versus evil question

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and I find his behavior

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that we're going to look at squarely on the evil side

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I hope by the time we reach the end of this episode

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you'll see what I'm saying

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and realize that Alex is making calculated decisions

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in order to maximize his outcome

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This episode will take us straight through

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to the sixteenth

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and like I said, by that point the world really

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is that much

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We're a full two days away from the FBI releasing photos

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of the suspects and three days away from an arrest

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but those are all things we'll cover

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on a future episode

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At this point we know that the bombs were pressure cookers

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we know it was an attack, and that's about it

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At least, that's what we know by the sixteenth

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As Alex's show begins

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on the fifteenth

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the attack hasn't even happened yet

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He has no idea what's going to happen

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by the end of the time he's on air

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and thus we begin today's show

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very familiarly

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in the sense that the show

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is in a very serious holding pattern

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and we hear the familiar things that we've heard

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over the past couple weeks

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Right

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But knowing what we know

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and knowing how his show

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before it goes off air is going to have

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this giant curveball thrown

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it's very surreal

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to hear the completely normal

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thing at the beginning

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and so that's where we'll end up jumping in

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I feel like I should pull curtains

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open after that

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And we have set the stage and now

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our first act begins

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Yeah, I'm sorry if that's a bit much

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No, no, no

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I'm saying that it's

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theatrical

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I don't mean it to be, I just felt that there

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needed to be more of a thesis to this

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than normal

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The stakes are a little bit higher

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A little bit, and I came away from

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this, listening to these episodes

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with far more of a strong feeling

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of like, he's doing this on purpose

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I can see the craft here

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than in other times in the

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past. Granted on some smaller

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scale things it's obvious, you can see like

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he's doing that on purpose, ding ding ding

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Yeah, yeah, yeah

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But in this case it was just pretty overt

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and I found it to be repulsive

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An actual

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world-shaking crisis pried open

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his bullshit and now you see the craft

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you see the artifice behind it

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And the narcissistic

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malignant personality disorder

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And it would be very difficult

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to concretely see it

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as much in the moment

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Back then, if you're listening in 2013

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it's much more difficult to see

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the ways that manipulation

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is being done, but now six years later

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looking back, it's pretty

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fucking clear, to me at least

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and I hope I'll

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present these clips that we have

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and we'll walk through this and I hope

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the conclusion isn't that

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hey Dan, Dan's

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way off on this one

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Yeah, after three years of non-stop

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creating context for almost

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precisely this moment, I think Dan

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got it wrong!

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So we start on the

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15th and Alex has

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a pretty standard narrative

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to begin the show.

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So he's leading the show with

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gold is down, but

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but it's not real

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really.

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What, 6.9%? Nah, that's

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nothing!

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Yeah, yeah, yeah

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So he's rationalizing and minimizing

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this drop in the gold price

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and of course, it should be

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pointed out, he's syndicated by the

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same guy who owns Midas Resources

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a gold sales company

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so any time he has a narrative that surrounds

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gold, it's like, well, I don't know

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about you, man, I don't know if I'm gonna listen to you

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I, I, I

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well, the first thing that I hear is like him being

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like, hey, no, no, don't worry

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about it, it's not a collapse

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because I think the next sentence is gonna be

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now's a great time to buy, actually

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it's 6.9% down! He does

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actually think that, and he thinks that there's a

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conspiracy behind it that

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the globalists have exactly the same idea

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that you do.

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There's the headline, panic is everywhere

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worst two day loss since 1983

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so that's how the media's

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pushing it, ABC News, gold

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investors exit amid price

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collapse

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meanwhile, you'll see Soros

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bad mouth gold, you'll see other globalists

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do it, they just want to be able to drive it

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down to buy it. See?

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There it is, there it is.

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So, in April 2013, gold prices

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plummeted. Today

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Alex is talking about this 6% drop

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but it would continue from here, ending April with

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a 13% drop. This

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absolutely feeds into Alex's paranoia

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that we've been seeing, since he's

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a propagandist who's syndicated by a company

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that's also a gold dealer, but

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everything he's suggesting about this drop in

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price is not true.

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It's one of those universal features of Alex's

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worldview that this taps

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into, and that is selective

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omnipotence. The globalists

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are so overpowered that they have complete control

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over all commodity prices

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and push them up or down to suit their whims.

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They're suppressing the price of gold

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according to Alex, which explains why the

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value isn't through the roof, but

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one day they're going to stop suppressing it so you

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better buy your gold from Midas Resources

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now before it's too late. Of course! That makes

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perfect sense. But they're not just suppressing

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the price. Sometimes they also crash

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the price, but that's just so it gets

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really cheap and they can buy it all up.

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Right, like the earlier one

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except for bigger. Right.

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But you can't do it all the time, though. But it also makes

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no fucking sense. No. They're the fucking

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globalists. Right. They're in bed with the Federal

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Reserve. Money is not an issue

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to them. It's a huge issue. If they wanted to buy

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up all the gold, they could just do it at whatever price point

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they wanted. They don't need to wait for a 6% drop

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in price like they're the evil version of a coupon

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cutter. What are you talking about? This is bullshit.

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What? You think you get rich

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by not taking a 6%

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cut? If you're the fucking globalist you do,

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they're evil.

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They're evil, but

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they're thrifty, Dan. I'm not

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sure they are.

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I don't know if fiscal prudence

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is a hallmark

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of Alex's characterization of his

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enemies. Dan, the old adage is you don't

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get rich by spending money, Dan.

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That's what they tell the poor people. You get rich by

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hoarding it. I don't know.

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I just think it's absurd to think like, oh,

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yeah, the globalists, they would buy

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up all the gold, but they need it

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just a little bit lower in price. Right.

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It's ridiculous. The globalists can do whatever

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they want at any time

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whenever they want it,

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but they're

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mostly worried about kind of

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inconveniencing a lot of people. And margins.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That's the selective omnipotence part.

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They can do anything,

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but they're encumbered by

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whatever restrictions I decide to put

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on them that make it convenient for my

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narratives. His big restriction

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I think that we'll always come back to is

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that they have to make you

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agree to it. That's

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their restriction. They can do whatever they want,

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but you have to say

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yes to them. You have to shake their hand.

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Like vampires. Bullshit.

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Like in Gravity Falls

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with the triangle man. Nonsense.

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So in reality, if you consult more

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grounded data-driven sources like the

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International Business Times or Forbes, the picture

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is really clear what's going on

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and postmortems that were done after the fact

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into 2014. The

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first variable is that gold mining companies

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were having a particularly bad year around

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this point, which is an indicator to investors

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to be worried. These companies

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took out expenditures and loans to establish

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new mines like NovaGold did

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in Alaska, and they were not coming

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through. The picture looked

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like a lot of these companies that provide

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a lot of the supply of gold were in trouble,

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and that's a bad sign downstream.

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The second factor was automated commodities

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trading. Tons of trading

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entities had set up algorithms,

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but they also set them up with very

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similar or the same buy and sell

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points. So when the market veered in

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one direction, you had a number of groups who were following

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the same pattern. This wouldn't

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have had too much of an effect on the larger

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price of gold if it were just one or two

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entities automatically buying and selling,

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but as commodities analyst

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Jeffrey Christian told the International

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Business Times, quote,

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it was more than 1,000 entities trading

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in a 10 minute period, which has a severe

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impact. You see this in

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a lot of commodities markets, and it's probably something

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that we should fucking regulate super heavily,

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and maybe isn't even a healthy thing to allow.

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No, it is absolutely not.

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I'm not certain I'm well versed enough

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in markets to know if it's a good idea for us to just

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say, like, let's outlaw automated trading.

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I'm not positive all the ramifications

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of that, but we should also be like,

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let's get this under control.

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Michael Lewis wrote a book

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about the

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automation

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and how the larger

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banks are trying to set up their servers

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as close as possible

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because even an inch of

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fucking fiber optic cable

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means one trillionth

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of a second faster, and since

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all of this stuff is automated, that

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means that you win one one trillionth

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of a cent more than your competitors.

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Yeah, and that adds up. Exactly, because

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you're making 10 billion

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trades a second, you know, whatever it is.

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And yeah, no, it should absolutely

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be against the law. 100%

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because we've seen it so many times that

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all of a sudden there's just this flash

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crisis that lasts

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20 minutes and people lose. And a lot of it

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could be fairly just accidental

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and based on computer

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whatever. And some of that stuff involves

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the random Twitter content

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and the general mood of

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Twitter as a way of like, well, we buy

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or sell this nonsense. And you're like, dude, that's

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crazy. It's all very bizarre

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computer shit that ends up

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affecting real world stuff in a way that

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maybe we should get a rain on.

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Yeah, but not them.

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You're saying outlaw it. I'm saying

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maybe. Right. There's

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where we stand. Point is

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that Alex is lying about the gold situation

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in 2013. Now, honestly, I think it's

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a factor in this whole thing that I hadn't considered

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too much about this escalating rhetoric

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that he's been putting out. I mostly

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didn't consider it because he hasn't talked about

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it much until this episode.

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The price of gold dropping is a huge

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part of his financial collapse narratives.

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So it would make sense that he would latch

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onto it as a sign of the

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implosion that's coming ahead.

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And whether or not it's spoken, I feel like this

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has been in the background for

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at least these April episodes that we've been

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listening to just as a ghost.

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Just the drop of

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gold prices. But maybe he thought

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it'll course correct. Now it hasn't.

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So he's talking about it.

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I'll say that he

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kind of gets distracted by something a little

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later in this episode. It doesn't factor

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too much into the coverage of the bombing.

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But I wanted to bring this up here and make a point

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out of it because I have a strong suspicion

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it's going to get incorporated into his narratives

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moving forward. Because it does not stop.

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Gold has a bad year in 2013.

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But a particularly bad April.

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That's when things really start to dive.

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And it does make sense from

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all of his

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hustle narrative.

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Those motivations.

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It makes sense that that would be a factor

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in a precipitous drop downwards

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in his life.

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So Alex spins his wheels

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and he's yelling about this.

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There's the financial side of things.

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There's the

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all of the same like they're going to take your kids

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the globalists are trying to get the veterans

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all this. He's yelling and he

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reaches a despondent state.

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And he starts talking about how he doesn't know

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what to do. How's my

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daughter supposed to protect herself against

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the globalists? And I honestly

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think that this is one of the more

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irresponsible things for him to do.

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I don't just say I get chills

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folks. I can hardly do this radio show.

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Because

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even doing this radio show is just

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like everything's business as usual.

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It's not business as usual.

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I just am so worried

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about my children. I watched my

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five year old daughter go off to dance class this

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morning with my mother.

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Who took her. And they're just my mother's

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innocent. Even though she's a very smart person

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who knows history. Is a history obsessed

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buff.

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Still she's

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what is my mother supposed to do to fight the new world

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order? What's my five year old daughter

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supposed to do? I'm the man

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I'm supposed to do something

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about this and I don't know

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what to do. Because

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you got crazy criminals

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running wild. You can go out in Austin

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Texas or San Diego California

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and every person you talk

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to in trendy areas

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says put all gun owners in forced

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labor camps. Ban water.

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I mean they're just a sick cult

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of sick freaks who are

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not connected to history or reality

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and have no idea what they're

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going to do to everybody.

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Okay? I mean

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oh man. We'll be back

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stay with us. So that's

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We're going to head out to these tasty licks.

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That's a reference to the Mark Dice

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man on the street prank videos.

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Everyone wants to lock up

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the gun owners. They want to outlaw

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water Dan. Right. We need that.

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It's

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insane to me. That's what that's

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based on first of all.

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Second of all I just really think

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the escalation in his rhetoric that we've seen

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over the past couple weeks of his show where

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it's really very seriously

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getting to the point of like we are

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fucked. We gotta like

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they're going to destroy us

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imminently and all this stuff.

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When Alex has moments where

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he's getting really emotional and

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saying I don't know what to do.

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You are like

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in your duty. You have riled

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your audience up into a frenzy

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and you're saying look I know I'm the

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captain but I don't know how to steer this fucking thing.

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Which leads the audience to think

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I got some ideas. In case you were wondering

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it's fucking chaos. The ship is going

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down and you're on top of it.

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So what are you going to do? You going to jump? No. You're going to

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light the ship on fire with everybody you've ever met.

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It's even worse than that because Alex is like

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okay look the boat is completely fucked

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it's going down. I am a boat expert.

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I know everything about boats

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and I got to tell you I don't know what to do.

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I don't know what's going on.

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We're going to need a bigger boat literally.

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There's an expectation that the audience

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could have that's like even the most

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brilliant mind against the globalists

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doesn't know what to do maybe

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some of my ideas would be good.

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It frees them up to not really

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take Alex's advice

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along the lines of this is an

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info war. This is non-violent.

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When you have him admit

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I don't know what to do it kind

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of opens up the idea of like

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trust your own instincts do whatever you're fucking going to do.

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And that's really dangerous. You need a

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steady hand if you're going to act like

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Alex is going to act it. You can't be like

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I don't know. Ah fuck it.

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I do like finding out more and more of his

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unique theology

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in that

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my mom is very innocent even

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though she's intelligent where you're like you're taking

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the whole fruit of the knowledge of

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good and evil tree a little too literally.

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Knowing something doesn't

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necessarily mean that you lose innocence.

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That's an interesting possibility.

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I read it more along the lines of he just means

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like innocence as naivete

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or you know sort of a blissful

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ignorance of the

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Right. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

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I guess that's pretty similar.

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So in this next clip. Only the dumb can be

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innocent. In this next clip

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you know the world hasn't

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changed yet so Alex is

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still in a place where he can

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make petty complaints about pop culture.

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Like it. Ah so here's some of that.

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I don't really pay attention

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to pop culture but I've been forced

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to and the stuff targeting

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tweenie and preteen girls

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like 8, 9, 10, 11

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year olds that I hear booming

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out of cars and then I see

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children listening

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to on their iPads

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and iPods. All

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of it is sexualizing

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them and hardcore

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devil worship.

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Kill your own dad.

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I'm not just talking about Lady Gaga

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but Kesha

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Jay Z all of it

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and again

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the guys were showing me this weekend

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some of the Kesha videos

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where they're teaching young girls

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how to commit suicide

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and how beautiful it is to be married

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to the devil. Shut up old man.

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You leave

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Kesha alone. What are we

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doing? What are we doing? I was like

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I remember there being some

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kind of Satan-y things

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in the Die Young

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video so I went back and I watched it

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and there was some devil stuff in there. Cool.

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But there's not teaching

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people how to kill themselves. Then I started

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watching some more Kesha videos and I'm like

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hey Alex why don't you talk about Your Love Is My Drug

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why don't you talk about some of these real

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uplifting fun great

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pop songs that you put out. Be

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that as it may on a recent episode

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we heard Alex talking about how

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he stayed up late at night

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because that's when they played the hardcore

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rock and roll. Yeah I was gonna say. Those people weren't doing

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devil imagery. Seriously.

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We, the last clip. Calm down old man.

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The last clip we went to break

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with Led Zeppelin god dammit. Yeah.

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Famous.

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Yeah. Famously.

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You can't, you can't. So fucking stupid.

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You can't have it both ways without just being like

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I hate the kids. Yeah exactly.

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That's all you're doing. Just say that. Grumpy old asshole.

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Kids I don't understand children's

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music these days. Yeah.

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That's all you're saying. Yep.

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Who gives a fuck.

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I'm old, I'm old is all I heard.

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Yep. So in this next clip

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Alex is, he's continuing his

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obsession with Mark Dice's Man on the

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Street reports. And one of the

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things that I think is really interestingly revealed

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in this clip is he's talking about that

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the videos that Mark's putting out

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but then he starts discussing plans

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of a video of a Man on the

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Street thing he wants to do. And I

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think he's going about it wrong.

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Cause I talked to Mark Dice

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I mean he went out and talked to people

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and that's what he ran into

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the videos up on drugsreport.com and left hand

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underneath the California flag

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of the bear in distress.

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And you watch it and

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every person except for two

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young women who were obviously sisters

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they say I don't want to turn my guns in I own guns.

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Everyone else he said

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you know we're going to

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we're going to play it in a moment

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we're going to go and

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arrest the evil white tea party people

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and take their guns. And

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by the way I'm going to send my reporters out

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to go one step further and say

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let's you know what these people haven't

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paid their fair share let's have

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100% taxes on them and put them in forced

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labor camps. And I guarantee

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you I will find

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people at the University of Texas

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ready to put you in a forced labor camp.

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He guarantees it because he's going to edit

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it. Yeah.

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Like he's like all right here's

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the piece of propaganda I'm going to

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put together. I'm going to send someone out

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on the street and I bet I can find somebody

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I bet you can't too.

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That is fun. That is fun to

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be like I guarantee that I

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can go out on that street right now and

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find a car. Yeah.

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I guarantee that I

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can craft a narrative that I will present

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to you and show as

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universal agreement that we

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should be put in camps.

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Dude that is not how this works that's not

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you can't you can't allow yourself to

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to present like pretend

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that that's reporting or

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means anything.

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It I think

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that that clip is trivial in many ways

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but I think it's important because what

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we're about to witness with his

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coverage of the bombing that

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clip is him very clearly saying

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Mark Dice did such a great job he created

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amazing perception here with this

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video. I'm going to go out and create

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my own perception as well when you

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see the way that he crafts

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a narrative out of this bombing

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you see before the bombing

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even happened he was talking about doing a

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very similar thing around another topic

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yeah it's an M.O.

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So Alex another thing another

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little bee in his bonnet

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is he's complaining

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about how

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all the normalization

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in the media in the TV

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you know there's all the complaints about the

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the TV shows like We Hate

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Paul Revere that never came out. Oh that

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one. The making patriots look

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bad on TV. Not hard to do.

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And now it's even extended to making

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the TSA look good

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in commercials.

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It's there in the break out there on the

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television and you know with these new DVRs the last

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few years you can just rewind what was live

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you've probably already seen

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it they now have Pillsbury Doughboy

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ads where the TSA

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gropes the Pillsbury Doughboy

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and it is

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a bunch of fun

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to have this basically

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done to him. That's the point

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of the Pillsbury Doughboy. Everybody

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gropes the Doughboy.

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Do you know what his catchphrase is?

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It's not words it's him giggling

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because somebody poked him.

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That's his catchphrase.

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This is the most ridiculous thing possibly.

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What are we? What is going on?

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It wasn't even a Pillsbury commercial it's a

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Geico commercial. Jesus Christ.

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Because you know they had that whole campaign where they used

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other people's mascots and stuff.

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And so yeah Alex is

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I love

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how weak some of this shit is.

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The Pillsbury Doughboy enjoys the TSA

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groping him. Jesus. If anything

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you might be able to interpret that as kind of

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a scathing pointing finger

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at the TSA that they do grope people.

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Exactly. The entire point is

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It's almost like there's a parody or like

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a satire to it that

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Alex seems to be missing. No because I think I remember that

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one where it is that Geico of like

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what's better than this?

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The Pillsbury Doughboy

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going through TSA

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and they're poking him and it's like

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the implication is that the TSA

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always gropes people. That is what

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they are known for. Yeah the underlying joke

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of it is actually a little bit subversive.

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Exactly. But Alex takes it

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the other way. Maybe the issue isn't

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the Doughboy.

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So I thought this next clip

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was very interesting and probably important for

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our Sandy Hook purposes and that is

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that you know within an hour

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before the Boston bombing happens

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Alex expresses his position

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on Sandy Hook vis a vis actors

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and I think

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this is where he stands at this point.

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See I don't think that

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kids didn't really die at

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New Haven. They like killing real kids.

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They clearly have some actors there to back up the story

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as well. It's a composite.

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Part of it's real, part of it isn't. That's very obvious

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and that's what other declassified

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programs look like. They're going to

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kill real kids. They're going to kill real people.

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So what I think is

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really interesting about this is Alex keeps saying

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New Haven instead of Newtown. This is at least

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the second or third time I've heard him make that

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mistake which indicates kind of

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disinterest. Second

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I don't give a fuck

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if he thinks some real kids died.

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If he thinks that some people there were actors.

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Because he could believe

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or he could make all of the accusations

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that he makes like Robbie Parker

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is an actor.

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All the other parents

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are actors that are

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suing him or whatever and still

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think some kids died. In essence

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what he's doing is picking and choosing who he

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wants to accuse.

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Accusing one person

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whose child

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died in that shooting of being an

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actor is equivalent

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to saying everyone was.

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To me at least. At least from a moral standpoint

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it's all the same game

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and he's passed the line.

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Even if he's saying some kids died there

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he has crossed the line into actor

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territory. He's being unspecific

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about it but he's saying some people are actors

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there. He's argued that

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people like Robbie Parker are acting

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like actors. The conclusion

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that you have to make is that

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he thinks at least some people are

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lying about their family and that's

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fucked up. I mean for his purposes

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or I suppose for ours if you

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want to make that argument as though it's

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a real thing then you have to go line

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by line. Name by name. Who's an actor?

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Who's real? You kind of have a responsibility. Otherwise

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everybody is an actor because you

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get to choose in the moment.

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You can't choose. You're not going to say

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oh well Robbie Parker is

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the one who's an actor and then you look

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and you look at the next one and you're like their real

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kid died. What you're doing is

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a half-assed way of saying everybody was

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an actor. Yeah and giving your audience

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permission to decide for themselves who was

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and who wasn't. Exactly.

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Tell me who really died. Give me a name.

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It's really messy. Yeah otherwise you're just

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saying everybody's actors but you don't want to commit

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to it. It's bullshit. So Alex's

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rhetoric and narratives have really

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ramped up over the preceding few weeks

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as I brought up a couple times

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and this leads Alex to

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like really get mad

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about how like Glenn Beck is a dick

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and

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he starts screaming about how his job isn't

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fun because all this stuff is real.

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You know like all this stuff is real. He is

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toe to toe with these fucking globalists.

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Sure. And so like he

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just starts screaming about that and he says

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something that he will later consider

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a remarkable prediction.

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You think it's fun doing this

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folks? You think it's fun? All the

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egomaniacs and narcissists out there

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that think they're patriots who all

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they do is end fight and stuff all day. This is

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a life and death situation.

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This isn't a game.

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And they're going to fire first by blowing

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stuff up and saying we did it. That's why

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we've got to expose who really does the

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fast and furious. And of course they did

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Aurora. And of course they're up to their eyeballs.

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Shooters in the same

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outfit from nearby hostage

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team, SWAT teams, from

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nearby federal special unit,

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local police who were federal special

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event police caught in the woods.

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It wasn't just one. It wasn't just two.

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There were three of them seen. One of them

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arrested. And then they tried to cover it up

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and say it didn't exist even though

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it was confirmed in the police reports

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and we have chopper video.

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Okay? I mean we're in trouble folks.

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They grease little kids.

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Boom! Right in the head.

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To get our guns. Isn't it obvious?

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I'm sorry sir. Go ahead.

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So there was a collar on hold for that.

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So yeah all that stuff was the Sandy Hook

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conspiracy stuff that he's screaming about

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there at the end. And so his saying that

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they're going to blow stuff up and blame us

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on the day that there is a bombing

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he will deem that to be

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like, I said it earlier in the show!

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Right. But

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as people who listen to his show regularly

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you know that he says this

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all the time. Well in this time

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period specifically he has been talking

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about nuking Chicago. But more

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to the point, no matter when you look at

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Alex's show, he's going to say

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that there's about to be something.

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It's a very standard feature of his

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broadcast style. And so I don't

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ascribe too much meaning to that.

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No, but it does

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support my thesis that

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nobody is going to be

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happy about this tragedy.

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Except Alex is going to be

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very happy that he was right.

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He is going to be gleeful that people

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died. I'm not sure gleeful is the right

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way to put it but you'll see shades

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of not experiencing

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it like a human, let's say.

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So the bombing happens

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while Richard Bowzer is a guest

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on the show from Law and Order Special

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Victims Unit. I know that shouldn't make sense.

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But that makes sense to me.

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Yeah, so at this point in the episode

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Alex introduces

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Richard Bowzer and

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as soon as I heard his introduction I knew

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well, it's kind of like when you

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put your seatbelt on on a plane. It's like

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well, we're flying.

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So here we go.

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Well he's been in scores

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of different TV shows and movies.

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Probably best known for Law and Order

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Special Victims Unit Richard Bowzer.

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And I like getting him on because he's a funny guy.

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Plus, you know, who else shows up to the

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show with Christopher Walken

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before. It's like, here's Christopher Walken

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and then he sits down right next to him

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off the chart. But Walken

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just wanted to talk about recipes, chicken

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recipes. That is true. You listen to that.

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It was great. It was surreal. It was fun.

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Yeah, Christopher Walken had no time for Alex's bullshit.

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No! Completely

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uninteresting. Yeah. So

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Richard Bowzer is on to promote

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a book that he's written about the JFK

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assassination. And of

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course he is.

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Why?

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When I told you earlier in the episode

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I lost respect for somebody. Is it the

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Bells? It's the Bells. It's the Bells.

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I'm a guy who, in a past relationship

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of mine, one of the things that we

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did a lot was watch tons of Law and Order

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Special Victims Unit get real high. Great to do.

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John Munch and Odefin Tutuola

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are the best tag team of

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detectives this world's ever seen.

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Ice T and the Bells, are you kidding me?

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Amazing. The best.

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I did read some of his

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books when I was younger, too.

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I don't know.

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I don't remember them being good.

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But I had a real fondness for him. And I like the idea that

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his character John Munch travels between

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Homicide and The Simpsons

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and The X-Files. He connects all

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these shows into a... I like that.

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And I always had a positive association towards Richard

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Bowzer. It's like a crack.com

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article come to life.

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Kind of. Top six ways

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that the universes between

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these things are connected and it's all John Munch.

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But you like him. He's a likable guy.

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And then you

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listen to him talk to Alex and you realize

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uh oh.

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And good to have you back on with us, Richard.

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Alex, it's great. I missed you.

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I haven't spoken to you in a long time.

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I must say that

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your programming,

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your documentaries, your news

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shows, those interviews

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have helped me

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in my research and I

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greatly appreciate it. And I want

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you to always take care of yourself and stay

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safe, my friend. Because we're,

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as you say, we're trading in some dangerous

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waters now. I heard that

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and I was like, uh oh. Richard Bowzer might be

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stupid. I was like, uh oh.

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He's using Alex's

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resources for his research? Like,

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oh no. Into the JFK thing.

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Oh no, Alex. Oh no.

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InfoWars is a source to him.

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This is bad news.

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That is interesting. If Bells had never

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gotten the

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munch job, do you

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think he would be the conservative comedian

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prototype? Like the Dennis Miller?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nah, I don't know.

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I don't, cause I still don't think he's all that

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conservative. I mean, he's pretty conservative, but he's not

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like, he doesn't, I don't know. He's not

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politically right, he's a conspiracy theorist first.

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Yes, yes. I think that

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he's nuts. Right, right.

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But I imagine, just like all those

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other conservative guys, he'd say one

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thing and then people would be like, ah, you're a

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bad guy, and he'd be like, lean into it.

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It's really hard to predict. Ah, you're a trigger.

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It's really hard to predict, especially

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given the way conservatism has changed

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since those times.

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Yeah. Like with, and who knows

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if his comedy career would have continued also.

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Oh, no, I, I,

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have you seen some of the Bells' work?

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I've seen some stuff that I didn't think, I didn't

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think some of it was terrible, but I

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honestly don't have any memory of it.

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No, no, no. One way or another.

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But I think that he's just

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has a low standard of

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evidence for things, which is a problem

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when you're writing a book about JFK's assassination.

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I don't know. And you say things like this.

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And I think, Alex, you

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are, in this small brigade,

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I hope it's getting bigger, of just

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I know you don't make anything up.

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It's the truth, you know, that's why I don't write

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fiction anymore.

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Alex doesn't make things up.

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Bells, come on. That's pretty crazy.

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Oh, God.

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So Richard Bells' is on here, he's

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lauding Alex with these,

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you're one of the truth tellers, use your stuff

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for research. One of the greats. And it doesn't

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feel the same way as the people who, like, just

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kiss his ass. It kind of feels like he

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means it. I think he does.

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Which is more troubling. Or he's a really

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good actor. Could be. I mean, he's been

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an actor for 30 years at this point.

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And he was acting opposite Ice-T. Exactly.

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Which takes talent.

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Because Ice-T elevates

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the game. Munch

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has got to elevate his game, too. Right, of course.

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One of my

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favorite Mulaney jokes is the

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listening to people

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explain things to Ice-T bit.

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It's so funny. I love

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Ice-T explaining things to

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anyone else on Law

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and Order.

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So, Richard Belzer was

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talking, you know, he has this whole career

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behind him of conspiracy thinking and

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aliens and what have you.

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Once he started talking about the banks,

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that's when things

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got weird. But

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I have an alternate explanation

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for everything that he's trying to

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cause panic about. Alright.

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You're getting into the banks and all of a

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sudden, beep, beep, beep, beep.

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This station is not available. Try again

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later. Now, you know,

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people call me

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paranoid, but, and then

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for the last few days, my computer,

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the cursor is

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going to places by itself.

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Oh my god, no. Oh yeah, your

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computer's been hijacked. Are we just having

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two old dudes talk right now? Yeah.

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We're just having two old dudes with the like... Change

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the batteries in your mouse. Kesha is,

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Kesha's doing all this mean

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stuff to my children and I don't know

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how computers work. What are we doing?

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Yeah, your cable went out one day probably

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or maybe the station had an outage and

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your mouse needs a new battery.

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There was a thunderstorm. Right.

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There you go. Right. You did it. Right. No, it's

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the banks. No, I'm paranoid.

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It's the banks. I started talking about the banks

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and I was still on law and order special

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victims unit for years. Look.

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If you want to pull that shit,

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if you want to use something not working

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for you, old man, then just say like

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my abacus stopped working and now we're

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talking about the banks doing it because you can't break

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an abacus. No, you can't. You need magic.

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So, Belzer's writing this

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book about JFK. Sure.

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I want to know who he thinks did it. I'm not

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sure if he says. He probably

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does. Well, you got to read the book. I probably didn't care.

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You got to read the book. So, he's talking

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about that stuff and I'm like,

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okay, he uses Alex as a source. He thinks

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Alex doesn't make things up. These are generally

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speaking really bad signs.

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Yeah. But I don't know what he thinks about JFK.

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Like, maybe he has a

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different standard for that kind of

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stuff. Yeah. Here we go.

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He said this while talking about E. Howard

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Hunt and I was like, oh no.

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Richard Belzer's stupid.

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Spotlight magazine

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wrote that Hunt was involved in the Kennedy murder.

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He sued them.

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They went to court. The magazine

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won. The jury

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believed that Hunt

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was involved in a conspiracy by the

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government to assassinate the president.

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That's a jury trial. That's very

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stupid. That is very stupid.

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So, first things first. The Spotlight is the

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publication with the strange editorial

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habit of Holocaust denial run by

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the Liberty Lobby. It's the same place

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that Big Jim Tucker, Alex's chief

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Bilderberg source, worked at. It's a trash

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publication. It doesn't exist

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anymore. As for this lawsuit,

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Richard Belzer is playing fast and loose

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with the details. Spotlight

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had just published that E. Howard Hunt had been

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in Dallas on the day of the JFK assassination,

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and as Hunt said

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that he was in DC at the time, he decided

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to sue them for libel. The question

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of his involvement in the assassination

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was a matter that wasn't germane to the case

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and in no way was decided

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by this case at all.

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The first lawsuit over this, Hunt

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won, and he was awarded $650,000

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in damage. But that

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verdict was overturned due to the jury

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getting incomplete instructions on how

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to give their verdict. In 1983,

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the case was retried, and in this

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instance, the Liberty Lobby was able to win.

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But it's important to consider

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what winning this case means.

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Or, perhaps more importantly, what winning

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this case doesn't mean.

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Being cleared of libel doesn't mean that

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the thing that you wrote is true.

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Which is to say that this jury trial doesn't even

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establish in court that Hunt was, in fact,

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in Dallas.

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All that's necessary for

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this to be deemed not libel is that

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Spotlight had to have reason to believe

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this was true at the time of publication.

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Which is what the jury decided

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was the case. A lot of this

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was probably based on the Liberty Lobby building

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up a good case that doesn't prove

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that Hunt was in Dallas, but that they

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weren't just making it up.

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That's not the hardest thing to show in court.

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Sometimes, even if you're just making stuff up.

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Which is why it's important for these

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libel laws to be pretty

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lenient towards the media.

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Because otherwise you could nail

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them for things that were

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good faith errors that got made.

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The fact that Belzer doesn't

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understand this is a massive red flag.

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And it makes me care very little

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about any other information that he's putting forth.

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All other information that puts

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Hunt in Dallas that day

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either traces back to Soviet propaganda

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campaigns or the alleged deathbed

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confession Hunt made to two of his sons.

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Although it's important to point out

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that Hunt's widow and their other children

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say this was a hoax, and that the sons

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coached Hunt to say what they wanted so they could profit

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off of it. Which is a great idea.

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On their part.

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What, is he gonna be pissed?

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I think it's evil, probably,

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but I don't know. I don't care to get too

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mixed up into it, because we can't

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have today turn into a

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here's what happened with JFK.

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Other issues. I'm just a big

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fan of people finding the scam

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where it's coming from.

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And all they're hurting is the reputation of your

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dad who's dead and everybody already thought

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he probably killed JFK anyways.

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So make a buck off of it. I like him.

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So all this is

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to say that Richard Belzer thinks

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that that court case determined

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that E. Howard Hunt was involved

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in the assassination. Which means

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to me that he doesn't understand what he's talking

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about. And he wrote a book about

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this. That's bad.

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I do like the idea that

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in civil court

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they proved that he killed JFK.

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Of course! But it's double jeopardy!

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We can't get him on Cribble

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charges. Such bullshit. We already sued him.

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All of this starts to make

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sense once Belzer

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starts talking about the things that

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inspired him down the road in life that he's

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on. Oh no. You know, you and I

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both were inspired by this book.

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Now they're calling conspiracy.

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I read that. Look at my copy.

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It cost a dollar. That's how old I am.

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No, that

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really blew my mind. Hey bro, let's

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take a couple segments of calls straight ahead. They're all over the

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map, but I promise I'm going to get to

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Brendan and Richard and Nick and

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David. So he's inspired

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by non-dare calling

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conspiracy. Gary

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Allen's nonsensical anti-communist

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screed that is full of

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bullshit. I like to imagine he and

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David Simon having arguments over

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non-dare calling conspiracy on homicide.

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That would be amazing. You're fucking

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stupid, Bells!

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But you're just so good.

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You're just munch.

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You're throwing through. You're munch, man.

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Landsman

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won't play him for real, so I gotta

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stick with you. Damn it.

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I

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find that to be a pretty problematic

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inspiration source

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for them to share. I heard that

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and I was like, get the fuck out of here.

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So the bombing, like I said,

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it happens at 2 49

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and Alex is into

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overdrive because Belzer's there and they're

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having a great time, so it's like, let's do a

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fourth hour. So they plan to do like

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half an hour or so of it,

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but when the bombing happens and Alex catches

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wind of it, they continue it for the full

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hour. He doesn't know about

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it for about 20-something

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minutes or so. He doesn't get the

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news immediately.

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But then at about

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3.08-ish, somewhere

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in that range, he comes on air

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and this is his immediate reaction.

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Oh god, no.

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Well, it's terrible news,

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but I hope it's a gas main or something

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not terror related explosion

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at the Boston Marathon.

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We'll punch up some feeds of this.

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We're in overdrive. We're live.

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It's 2.08 central.

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And two explosions at

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Boston Marathon. When I said 3.08

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I meant Eastern time.

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Boston time. Just to be clear.

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People hurt in large

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explosions. Oh man.

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Oh my gosh.

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Are they going to blame it on

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Iran? Blame it on the Patriot group?

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Or is it going to be a veteran

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or something? I mean this is just so horrible.

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His first instinct,

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not even knowing any information

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about it, thinking that maybe it's a

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gas leak explosion or something

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like that because he doesn't have all the information.

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He doesn't know anything. His first

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instinct is to guess who they'll blame

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and the people that he

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thinks they're going to blame are

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Iran, the Patriots, or a veteran.

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Two of those

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are based on his

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big narratives. They're going to bomb

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something and blame it on us.

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This explosion happens. His first

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instinct is, I wonder if they'll blame it

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on us. That's not good.

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That's, you know,

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when I think of a massive tragedy

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like that, my first thought

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is sympathy for

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the Patriots who might get blamed

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for it. That's my first thought.

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It's a callous view.

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I don't think, oh, this is a tragedy and I hope

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the victims are okay. My first thought

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is the real victims are white people.

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That's the truth.

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They're going to demonize us.

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They're going to demonize us white people with guns

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because, you know, anyways, people

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probably died. I don't know. It's probably a false flag.

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They don't know anything

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about what's happening. They haven't watched

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the news. They haven't gotten anything

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posted on Drudge Report so they don't

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get access to news because they can't get it from anywhere else.

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And so him and Bowser

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start talking about the dynamics

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that are going on.

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And one thing that is really important

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to point out is that it very

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quickly just becomes assumed

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that veterans and right wingers

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are going to be blamed for this.

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You mentioned before

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about what we have to keep our eye

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on in this marathon story

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is the very first

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official reaction.

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Save these recordings. Save all the recordings.

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Record everywhere.

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I'm telling the crew, record everywhere.

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Yeah, how are they

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going to paint this?

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I'm working with veterans

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now. I convinced

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the show

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I'm on Law and Order

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Special Victims Unit to do an episode

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about a vet who had

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PTSD

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and they tried

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to disparage him

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on the stand because he was having

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flashbacks and stuff but he gathered himself

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and helped us convict

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someone because I wanted to make

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the vet the hero.

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That's a great story and I'm

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happy for him but the only reason to pull

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this story out and tell it now is to

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reinforce the idea that everyone wants to

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make veterans look bad. Which is in service

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of Alex's narratives that he's been building

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up for weeks and months of

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they're going to blame the Patriots and veterans

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blah blah blah. Which is not

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good because they don't know that. They don't have

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any information that anyone is pointing

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the finger at anybody.

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So they

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are constructing this.

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That's important to point out. And it's

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important to point out how active

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Richard Belzer is in this.

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Because he is not a bystander.

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Here's what I think

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right now listening to Belzer. I think

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he is incredibly stupid.

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Which

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made me think of the

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line that Buddy Glass has from

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Franny and Zoe written by

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Salinger. It was one of his books. Just that

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like we overburdened you

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with an education. A good actor travels

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light. You know what I'm saying? Interesting. A good

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actor doesn't have much going on in the education

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front. But I think he's probably

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pretty smart but just

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dumb. Yeah. Exactly.

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It's a mess. It's not how well you

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function. It's that there's not much going on

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in the storage

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space. You know what I mean? I remember that I

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listened to this a long time ago. This episode.

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And I thought it was surreal that

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Belzer was on when this happened.

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And for the longest time

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I've just had this idea in my mind that he's

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just riding sidecar while Alex does this

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fucked up stuff. But he is

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like I said an active participant.

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He is helping

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Alex thread this needle. Right. But you know

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I mean he's a team player. He's an actor.

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He's in this scene. He's not really

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He's not really. Was he? I don't know.

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Probably.

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So Alex is still kind of

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hoping that it's an accident

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in the immediate

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just learning about this

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stage. And Belzer

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pushes back on that.

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And it goes multiple people injured. At least

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a dozen injured

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after explosion. Man

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I hope this isn't a false flag or a real

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terror attack Richard. No.

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I hope not. But

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you know they're

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going to use it even if it's

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innocent they will use it

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because everyone's focused

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on it now. And

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people can be controlled

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when they're all on the same

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emotion at the same time.

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So now it doesn't even matter who

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they blame. Now obviously they're going to

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blame the Patriots and the veterans but even

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if they blame Al-Qaeda or Iran

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it doesn't matter. That's really still an

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attack on the veterans and the Patriots.

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This is the narrative that they're constructing.

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You can see it very clearly

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how much of it is like

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knowing what

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they plan to do in the next few days

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and how much of it is just like this is what

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we do. Yeah. I can't tell you

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but it's what they're doing for sure.

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Yeah I do I do wonder what

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the Bells would be doing if

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he was at home by himself watching this

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on TV. Or. Because he wouldn't be creating

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a narrative of how that's. Maybe it would be

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in his head though. It could be absolutely.

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But there's also like that

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I imagine reacting

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to something in real time with the toxic

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presence of Alex Jones already

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influencing you. And he's someone who you kind of admire.

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Exactly. So your first

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instinct is going to be or I

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imagine it's going to be like I'm going to

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follow the leader on this and the leader

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is saying this is a false flag

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and so you're like yeah it's a false flag let's

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talk this out. But he's not.

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He will within minutes.

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But when that clip happens he's not.

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He's saying I still and how much of that

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is disingenuous is unclear

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but he's saying I hope this was an accident.

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Because he doesn't have the information.

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Of course he doesn't have any information.

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He's not really interested in it either. Well I think

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someone forced him because they go to CNN

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and they start listening to it

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and Alex takes offense

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at something that they report.

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Reality. Let's just fade up

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the Communist news

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channel more like the corporate news channel.

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Let's fade this out.

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CNN. Process underway

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right now but the reality of the situation

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is it is almost impossible

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to protect an event

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especially one that is

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over a protracted space

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as a marathon is and

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you know I hate to say it but these

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are the times that we live in. Richard

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that's what they're saying on CNN

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so they're already basically saying it's a terror

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attack. Oh my goodness.

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We're helpless is what he's saying.

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That's so they can control us more.

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So Alex takes sort of umbrage at the

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idea that they're saying that this was an attack already.

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And that's because they have information

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that he doesn't have

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because he hasn't kept up with the story

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as it's evolved over the half

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hour that information is coming in.

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He's been busy talking to the bells. Right.

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I hope none dare call it conspiracy and a bunch

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of bullshit.

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And 45 seconds later he goes

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back to CNN and it's

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sort of clear why they're reporting it

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as an attack.

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We just shot video by the way for radio listeners

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at CNN showing cell

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phone footage already uploaded

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showing what looks like a pretty good size explosion

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and smoke. And so then they're saying

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at least a dozen oh this looks really bad.

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Looks like somebody blew up bleachers. Oh no.

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This is information

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that CNN already had that

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Alex wasn't aware of. So when he went to

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them in the first place and he's like oh they're

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already calling it an attack as if

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they didn't have some reason

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to be looking at the situation that way.

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That's only based on his own ignorance.

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Within a minute he's like oh

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that's why. He needs to calm

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down. That's really the

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the bottom line when

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you look at a lot of this stuff when there's crisis

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reporting on Alex's show he needs

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to. You do not want to deal with crisis

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reporting on Alex's show. You need to check out

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Alex. You're not doing a good job.

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Yeah I mean it's

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he's he's uniquely

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in a position to fuck

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up crisis reporting

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in a way that you know

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when you're so unfiltered

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as as a job I guess

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like his entire job is to react

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with with you know like

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with certainty

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that that level of crisis

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reporting then is almost impossible

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for him because he can't wait

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he can't wait for a second to the he

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cannot say like oh we're going to wait

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until more information is out. He has to react

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he has to come back with his take. It's an invalidation

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of the brand. Exactly. To

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wait for information. Yeah because you're supposed to

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know tomorrow's news today. Right and you've been

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studying the globalists for 20 years and know

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their game plan. Exactly. So you need

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to have like the answers

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and that's a real problem. Like it's an essential

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problem. So

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what they do for most

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of the rest of the show

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on the 15th here is

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sort of try and guess

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stuff. Great great that's good

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news. Yeah and so they're kind of

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guessing around who did it

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in this next clip.

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Who's the main

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motive here? Well who stands

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to gain? When the government and the

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shadow government has been gearing up

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to roll out and be our savior

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and they stand to gain

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from it it's obvious. I mean

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who's the number one suspect in this Richard

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Belzer as a journalist

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as a crime writer in the past?

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Whoever the suspect

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is the government will

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appropriate it and

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create a narrative.

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And 90%

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of it probably I'm just guessing

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will be a fabrication to

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shape our thought of

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police and military and

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safety and they're licking

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their chops. Even if this was a gas

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main they still got to

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study how we reacted

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and that's what they're you know

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that's why even you know events that they don't do

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they study. Yeah I mean it could have

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been a truck running over a gas main. I mean

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all the time I see in the paper

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a gas main blows up kills 30 people

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it's not even in the news it's like back

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of the paper you know barely a blur

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but I guarantee if five people die

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from this all you'll hear

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is pell mel pavlovian

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be scared of the random man

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be scared only we can save you. I mean

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just the response shows how

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fake all this is. Yeah you know

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I'm going to predict that the hook

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for them is going to be these are the times

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we live in you know and everyone will just surrender

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and let them you know

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how much you want to bet if you tune into all

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the five networks they're going to be saying

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these are the times we live in.

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So they've already heard this guy

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on CNN say that once and they've

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decided that this is going to be the catchphrase.

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I'm really proud of them for moving past grief

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so quickly. Oh so fast. I'm really proud

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of them for just making it way past

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that stage of yeah

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good work guys. I mean Alex did say this looks

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bad. Yeah that was good

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yeah that's a good eulogy I like that.

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Holy shit. That's fucking

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sociopathic. It really is

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and the presumption you can hear already

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is that this is fake. Yeah

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within minutes. You don't even

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need to you're in overdrive

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you don't even need to be on air.

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Nope. Like if shit like this happened

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for you and I while we were fucking recording

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we would just stop. Absolutely.

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We'd just stop and be like maybe we'll do this

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some other time. I can't handle this right now.

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Well we actually probably wouldn't know because we're not

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checking in with the news as we

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go and we don't have interns to

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run paper. To throw shit at us.

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Celine might

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give us the headshot though.

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Too dead in a well?

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Oh no Celine.

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Interestingly though too what you're saying is like he

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doesn't have to be on air but Alex recognizes

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the lack of information

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that he can exploit here. So he

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what he does in the middle of the fourth hour

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he announces we're going

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six hours today.

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So what he does is he takes off

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a little while and lets

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Jakari Jackson and David Knight host

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for hours.

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So they do the next like three hours

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of like taking calls and stuff like that.

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And we're not going to listen to any of that.

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But we will listen to a little bit of them.

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But not from this.

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Because I can't find that audio

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and I feel like

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whatever they might have come up

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with if it's something that sticks

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Alex will talk about the next day.

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So we will get all of that

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coverage

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as it were. But he expands

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his show

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extremely in a way that

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is suspicious. It's very

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fast him doing it.

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It's like OK you know

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a couple minutes into the fourth hour

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of your show this tragedy happened.

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And by

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halfway through the hour you're like

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we're going six hours today.

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It's a very fast decision and I think it's

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based on the lack of information.

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The ability to have the concrete

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be wet make your mark in it.

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Which is why it is

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why he has to be like when he

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gets off air he has to be like

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fuck yeah we got this one.

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It's on the line.

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The fish is on the line.

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I definitely feel like his actions

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indicate a certain amount of that.

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No he's gleeful whenever he's off the air I bet.

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So the only real substance

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that's going on between

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Belzer and Alex for a good stretch

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is that they're just sort of guessing

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who's going to be blamed for it.

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I don't feel it's very productive.

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But with this Muslim extremists

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they're going to pin it on or will they pin it

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on the new enemy the Patriots. Go ahead.

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Well they have a menu

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of what will best serve their

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needs. I'm with you.

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I pray that it's not like Al-Qaeda.

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OK. What menu?

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I don't know. It's not

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specific. What needs?

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I don't know. So they

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talk about demonizing of the

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Patriots that's happened in the last

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forever.

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Sure. Sure. The new enemy

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is the Patriots right.

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It's 2013. We've never had to worry about

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the Patriots before.

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Well I mean some NFC teams

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have. Did I get the league right?

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Well earlier in the playoffs

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fuck you.

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At the end the AFC plays the NFC.

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Earlier in the playoffs it's just the AFC.

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Oh they're in the AFC?

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It's not until the Super Bowl that the

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AFC and the NFC play each other.

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It's OK. It's OK Dan. It's OK.

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We're not even going to get into the American

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League versus the National League. No we won't.

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How do you feel about

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the designated? Love it.

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I don't love it.

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So there's the demonization of these truth

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tellers, Patriots, all this

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stuff that's going on.

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And Richard Belzer says something that I think is

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fucking interesting considering what

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show he's on. You know

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Machiavelli

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he said that what you do

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is you take a person's best quality

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and attack that.

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You know not like make

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up something.

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So it's like that's what

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I wasn't a big fan of Kerry but

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you know he did get shot.

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He had a uniform on

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more than Bush did and was in combat

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but they made him into a

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wimp. You know it's like

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you can make people's brains

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do tricks and this thing is

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Well exactly like look at this bad person.

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They help children.

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So it's real funny that he's

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complaining about the swift boating of John Kerry

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considering Alex's

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best friend and future

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Washington DC bureau chief

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Jerome Corsi. He's the guy who did it.

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He's very deeply involved in that.

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Like just know

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where you are. Know what the people you're

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talking to have done and are involved in.

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Like even in 2013

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Corsi's an associate of Alex's.

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He's working for WorldNetDaily at the time but he's

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been on the show a bunch

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and the two of them like he's considered

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an expert in shit. That's so

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funny. If you're going to complain about

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the demonization and swift boating

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of John Kerry don't show up

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and be like hey

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you never make things up to the guy who

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promoted those

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very things. Get the fuck out of here.

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That's me going on TV with Dick Cheney

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and being like this guy I love him

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everything he's ever done is incredible

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and I just want to talk

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about something completely unrelated

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in the lead up to the Iraq war

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there were a lot of lies thrown around

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That Karl Rove was a menace.

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Yeah it's similar to

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that. So they've been building

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up this like insinuation of like

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who's going to be to blame and a lot

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of it has been steering towards them being like

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well it's probably going to be especially

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Alex steering towards it's going to be

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the new enemy of the Patriots.

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There's a whole lot of that.

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Then in mid sentence

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Alex realizes one

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way that he can best hang his hat on that.

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We got a bunch of people sick today

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so our crew is limited but we're going to do this

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great job with the crew by the way. You guys are all

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entering. Oh my gosh

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oh my gosh oh my gosh

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oh my gosh I just realized

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it's Patriots day in Massachusetts

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and April 19th is the national

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one. Oh my gosh that

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bumps up the death con

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that they're going to blame it on a Patriot group.

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Oh my gosh I'm sorry I'm just brainstorming

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very astute. He thinks it's

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astute.

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Bells.

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Good work Bells.

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I think that that clip

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fully displays how Alex is not

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spitballing on this episode.

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He's actively trying to come up with any piece

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of information he can find to make it look like

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this fits the demonize the Patriots narrative.

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It's crystal clear how excited

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he is about this realization that it's

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Patriots day in Massachusetts.

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Patriots day was not celebrated nationally

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on April 19th. It used to be

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on April 19th but since

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1897 it's always been the third

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Monday of April and the Boston Marathon

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has always been on that day.

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They're basically the same thing

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in Boston especially.

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More importantly though there are a lot of other

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things that could have been attacked if this were somehow

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Patriot related. You know there's a lot

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of reenactments. There's the standing tradition

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of the Red Sox playing at home

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on that day. I think it's even like Fenway's

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opening day every year or

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most years. This is a tenuous

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connection but it's one that feels super

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important to Alex because he's engaging

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in a behavior known as motivated reasoning.

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Alex has a predetermined conclusion

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that he needs to arrive at

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namely that the globalists are

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blaming this bombing on the Patriots.

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He needs to get there because for months he's

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been warning of a big attack coming meant to

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demonize the Patriots and this is a huge attack.

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He knows he's probably not going to

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get a better chance to validate his narratives

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and rhetoric and in the process make a bunch of

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money so he knows he needs to get

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to work at crafting this and make

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it make sense.

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The behavior you see from Alex is exactly what you

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would expect from someone who is not interested in

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reality but interested solely in

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manufacturing a perception.

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It's been consistent since the news of the

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bombing broke out. It's all been an attack

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on media coverage but it's not an attack

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that's based on substance. It's based on

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instinct.

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You have Alex shitting on CNN for assuming

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it was an attack when they only did that because

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video they knew about that Alex

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didn't know about. He doesn't have any

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information about the attack itself

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nor the media coverage of it and

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yet here he sits with goddamn John Munch

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rambling about who they think the globalists

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are going to blame. Alex doesn't

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want to guess who they're going to blame. He wants

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to establish first of all that someone is

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going to be erroneously blamed

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and secondly that no matter who actually

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gets blamed this is all about getting

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at his dumb fuck gun buddies.

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I didn't know exactly what I would

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find looking at this episode and

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on one level none of this is surprising but

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on another level like I mentioned at the beginning

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this is making me a lot more angry than

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I expected. As Alex is grasping

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at straws to find a way to make this tragedy

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about himself and his show's

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worldview people are fucking bleeding

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on the street. Other people

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are putting themselves in danger to help their fellow

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citizens. People are scared. Some

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people don't know where their loved ones are.

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This is a disgrace and it's very

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transparent and it's willful

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and it's an affront to

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the pain that the people of Boston were going

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through at the exact time he's on air

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spreading this bullshit.

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This is a perfect encapsulation of Alex Jones.

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Brainstorming ways to spin

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a tragedy into being profitable for him

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while the victims of the tragedy bleed.

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Fuck him. This is

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nonsense.

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There will be more rants

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throughout this.

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I really, really disrespect this.

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It's such a

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next level version of what he does.

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The realities

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that other people are existing

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in and the way he's behaving

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are just so out of step.

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And

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it's awful.

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It's sometimes one of the ways

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I

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view it. One of the viewpoints

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that I take to try and understand this

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kind of

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idiocy and

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lack of empathy as something other than

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just this guy's a psychopath

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is the size of the states.

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The size of the United States is

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such that if you are living

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in fucking Belgium and a bombing

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happens in Paris, that's a

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different country. And so you don't treat it

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as though this is an attack on Belgians

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also. Do you know what I'm saying?

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In the same way, Belgium is

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a lot closer to France than Texas

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is to Boston. So

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functionally, I do think

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that Alex believes he lives in a

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different country, obviously.

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He lives in Texas, which is, in his mind, the

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only country. And it's a country

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itself. Yeah, exactly.

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But that is one way of trying to

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understand this kind of behavior.

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Because if you're, you know, just like

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if CNN is reporting on a terrorist

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attack in Senegal.

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I think if Belgians were reporting

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this way about a bombing in France, I would

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still think it was pretty gross.

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It is pretty gross. I'm trying to talk

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about ways to view

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it without just being like, all these people

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are fucking psychopaths. But I

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don't know. I don't know if you can. I try.

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I try. I want to be a human.

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So Alex needs more information as

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he's going along. And there isn't much being

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reported because a lot of information is

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unknown. But

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one way he decides he can get around that

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is put out a call for people

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to call in. And I mean, what he's doing

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is just asking for hearsay.

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Folks, here is the

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toll-free number

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800-259-9231.

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What have you noticed watching the

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news? That's just as important

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as if you're even in MASH, but particularly

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if you're in Boston. I know we have listeners everywhere.

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800-259-9231.

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Please only call

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if you have a tidbit of key intel

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or if you were there or have family

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that was there. 800-259-9231.

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Key intel.

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What are you going to get from your callers

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that is key intel?

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I really love the idea that

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you can just crowdsource narratives to

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your conspiracy theory.

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That's so... It's what he does.

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That's such fucking transparent

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bullshit of just like,

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well, I don't have time right now to

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come up with a complete story, but you

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guys give me a bunch of ideas and I'll

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cherry-pick some to put into the narrative later.

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It's like a contest almost.

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I don't trust my employees

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to read the news and synthesize it for me.

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So I need you to call in if you

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saw the news.

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And give me some wild

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shit.

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Such a giving up

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of his responsibilities.

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It's crazy.

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So Alex gets pretty severe here, and he makes

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an if-then statement

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that I want to really nail down

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and talk about, because I think that this is

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kind of...

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It really gets to the heart of what he's trying

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to do on this April 15th episode.

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Again,

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within 20 minutes,

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half an hour after news broke of this.

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And again,

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this could be the start of a whole

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bunch of this stuff, okay? Because they're saying

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the libertarians

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will start bombing everything, and then

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if it starts happening and they blame it on us,

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if it comes out, and they say

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it's a libertarian group, folks,

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we are in deep crap. It means they're

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going ahead with it. If they say it's Iran,

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there is no way Iran would

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pull something like this,

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knowing that they're going to get clobbered.

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Leave the Iran part

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out of this. For now.

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Because it's not important. Right here,

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we have perhaps the most dangerous

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way possible for Alex to frame a conditional

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statement. If they blame

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libertarian patriot groups,

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that means we're in big trouble, and they're moving

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ahead with it. Alex is

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injecting a classic if-then statement

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and expecting his audience to accept

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this assessment as reality.

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So, if you see blaming of

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patriot libertarian groups, then it necessarily

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follows that the globalists are making

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their move and there will be bombings all over

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the place, and the march to the FEMA camps

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is imminent. This is a pure

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logical statement that he's putting forth.

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The problem with this is, when

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you frame an argument this way, you need to be

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pretty careful about how you present what the

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media is saying. With this

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if-then argument in place, every

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time you argue that the media is blaming

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libertarian patriot groups, you're actually

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arguing that the globalists are about to send

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Ron Paul and all your gun weirdo buddies

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to a camp. It just necessarily

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follows from the if-then

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argument. You can't get around that

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based on how

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words work.

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One of the essential elements of formal logic

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is that truth cannot lead to falsity.

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If you have a valid argument and

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the premises are true, then your conclusion cannot

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be false. The actual form

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of the argument that Alex is making is this.

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Premise one, if the

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media blames the patriots, then they're moving

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ahead with it. Premise two,

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the media is blaming the patriots.

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Conclusion, therefore, they're moving

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ahead with it. In this clip, we're

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seeing the first premise and the conclusion

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introduced, which is why this is

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super dangerous. Alex still

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needs premise two in order to have

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this construction of an argument work,

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and if we see him manipulating

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things in order to establish premise two,

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that the media is blaming the patriots,

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then what you're really seeing is him lying and

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manipulating to justify the conclusion

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that they're moving ahead with it and

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there's going to be bombings everywhere.

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This is pretty basic deception stuff,

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and Alex does variations of this kind of thing

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all the time. I just felt like pointing this one

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out was particularly important because it's very

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glaring. And when we get through some more

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of this stuff, you'll see why this is very important.

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He needs premise two to be

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established, or else this doesn't work.

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He no longer has a good argument

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if the media isn't blaming

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the patriots. He needs

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that to be there in order to

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justify, facilitate,

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and make his arguments look

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as extreme as he's making them.

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Right. I would like to

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see Alex

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have to draw it up

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himself on how logic works.

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I would love to see

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Alex one try and fumble through what you

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just explained very quickly and shortly.

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But even that's really simple stuff.

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Yeah, exactly. That's why I want

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Alex to do it.

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It is the argument he's making,

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and it's important to look at it

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on a

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sort of crystal basis.

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Absolutely.

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We'll see. We'll see.

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I assure you.

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In this next clip, Alex says that

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CNN is starting to talk

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about right-wingers.

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And then he says that he hopes he doesn't get blamed,

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which is code for, man, I hope they blame me for this.

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Guys, rewind

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CNN right now. Rewind into that the minute.

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They're now saying

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we're their right-winger patriot meetings

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in the area. Uh-oh.

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Oh, man. And that's singing

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in doing that?

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Wolf Blitzer, we are

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in trouble. Oh, man. I bet they

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even dragged me into it with my 1776

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line.

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I hope they dragged me into it.

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With my

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famous 1776 line.

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Did he? Man,

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I am amazed at how quickly these guys

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move on from grief. To laughing.

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To laughing like that? That's great.

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And to real personal

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concerns about hypothetical

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realities where they get blamed

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for this. It's very

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gross. You can see

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even already he's working on premise 2.

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That is the thing

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that when you deconstruct and break down

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his argument that he's trying to make, it makes

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it so much clearer these actions

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are in service of propping

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up the flimsy part of his argument

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in order to make it all look real.

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CNN's

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asking questions about were there patriot

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meetings in the area.

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And this pisses off Belzer.

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This thing is just

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you know, it's making

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me ill because they're going to use it no

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matter who did it. Exactly.

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And they can blame it on Muslims, libertarians,

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liberals, who knows. But how dare

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Wolf Blitzer

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pose a question like that. How dare he.

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That's directly from Fort Detrick.

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I guarantee you to say, was there any

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patriot groups? Why couldn't you say there were any Martians

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there? Were there any aliens there?

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That's a tell though. That's a tell.

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Come on

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man. I gotta get

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oh my god. This is red alert. Let's see

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what Drudge is saying. I'm going to go back to the caller.

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Yeah, let's go to Drudge.

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So those last two clips are all

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about Wolf Blitzer asking this question. Were there any

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patriot meetings? As if

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to imply that he's asking about

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are there right wing groups that we're meeting.

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You want to hear the actual clip?

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Notice earlier in the day

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Matt any special

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Patriot's Day events going on?

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Anything pointing to a

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special day in Massachusetts?

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Well it's always a special day.

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Everyone gets the day off from work for the most

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part. And it's two huge events

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in Boston. It's not only the Boston Marathon

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where 25,000

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plus people run. But I believe it's always

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opening day of Fenway. They also have that going

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on. So it's a traffic nightmare

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always. But it's probably one of the busiest

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days in downtown Boston.

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So it is a holiday

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and a lot of people don't go to work

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and is there no school today either?

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This is about the holiday.

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This has this question. Are there any

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Patriot's Day things going on?

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Yeah. It's Patriot's

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Day. Yeah, there's a lot of traffic. I think

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that means that the right wing is doing it. What?

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What? Huh? Huh? You see how this is already

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the crafting of perceptions

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based on hinging on this

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word, Patriot's Day.

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He's like, oh, they're blaming us because he said the word.

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This is thin fucking shit

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and it's immediate. It's immediate because

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he needs this. He needs this

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in order to make the argument work.

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And he can't understand words.

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It's really easy

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for him to use this one because

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he's not burdened with that

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ability to understand words.

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I think that this is one of the cases of

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Which is why I do think he's innocent according to

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his own belief in innocence

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meaning you don't know anything.

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This is one of the cases of evil being

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masked by stupidity. I think

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that he knows exactly what he's doing.

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Yeah, I know. So in this next clip

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he wants to spread more

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suspicion around the idea that

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the bombing was planned by some nefarious

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globalists. Sure. And

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here's how he chooses to do that.

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Notice the bombing happened right where

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they got the United Nations display

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with a bunch of flags.

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I'm telling you, Richard, this is looking

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worse by the minute. Guys, keep googling

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find out if anybody's taking responsibility

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for this shit. Keep on Google, guys.

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Keep googling. So one thing

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that's important to remember, Jordan, is that

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marathon running is a big sport.

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And that the Boston Marathon is one of the biggest

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annual marathons in the world. Some

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one-off events have been way bigger in terms of

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number of runners, but the Boston Marathon is

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huge. And it's been run since

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1897, making it the

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world's oldest annual marathon.

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Like, the marathon got brought back to

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the Olympics in 1896.

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The next year after that, the Boston Marathon

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started. It's been going ever since.

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It's a huge deal in the international running

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community, so people come in from all

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over to take part in this event.

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The second winner ever in 1898

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was a Canadian. In

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1907, a Canadian member of the First

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Nations named Thomas Longboat won

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the race. It has a very rich

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history. It was mostly

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Americans and Canadians until the late

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40s. And then you see the list come to life

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with winners from South Korea, Japan,

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Guatemala, Sweden, Finland,

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and then in recent years a lot of Kenyans.

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Only one American won the

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marathon between 1946

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and 1967.

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The only American to win in that time span

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was named John Kelly, which happened

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to be the same name and same spelling

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as the last American to win it in

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1945. And those dudes

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weren't related. That's

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weird. The race has a crazy history.

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That is weird. Full of weird trivia all

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over the place. That's fun. That's fun little trivia.

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They let women start running in 1972

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but guess what, Jordan? The women

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had been running it unsanctioned for six

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years at that point. Yeah, I heard that

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dollop. Oh, I don't remember that.

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They did a whole dollop about

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the badass woman

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who forced them and then the Scottish

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guy who single-handedly

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tried to keep women out of the marathon.

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There's some bad aspects but also some

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good ones. There's a wheelchair

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division and record holders and everything.

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It's awesome.

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Can you see that line of flags at the finish

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line of the Boston Marathon? That's not a

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UN station or anything like that.

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It's a recognition that this thing that

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could just be people running a long way

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is so much more than that.

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It's a celebration that crosses cultures and

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communities and brings people together.

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According to the Boston Marathon's official

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Facebook page, quote,

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Alex is taking a physical representation of

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cross-cultural celebration and togetherness

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and he's using it to create suspicion around

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the bombing by just making shit up to attach

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it to one of his big bad guys, the UN.

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This is shameful shit and really if you

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go onto the bottom of it, all Alex is saying

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is that he views any kind of

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multicultural unity as a UN

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plot and I think there's a name

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for that. You know, it is

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almost like he is taking

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let's call it the strength

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of the Boston Marathon, which is

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a cross-cultural event celebrating

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how regardless of where you're from

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we are all people and we all

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care and we are all humans and we are all

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empathetic and he's turning that into

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something evil. Almost like

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he's swift-boating them.

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Which Belzer is not

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in favor of. On the same episode

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we're 15 minutes earlier.

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So Alex

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has another revelation that

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he realizes he can use to make this

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look like they're blaming patriots.

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No, it's just the income

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tax day. Oh, watch him

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blame an anti-income tax guy.

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And notice they never actually bomb a real target.

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It's always the general public

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so they can scare us and then act like

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anti-government groups would actually just target

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the general public. Go ahead. What?

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That's nonsense. Also, it took

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him like half an hour to realize

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it's tax day. Yeah. Like, that seems

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weird. He has a

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he's got an accountant who takes care

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of that for him. He doesn't know when tax day is.

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Probably. So like

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I mentioned earlier in this episode, he

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talked about how they're going to bomb and

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blame us earlier in the episode.

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So he looks like a

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prophet. Of course. And the

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whole crew is freaking out

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because Alex said the thing he says

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every day and coincidentally

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a tragedy struck.

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And I think people are beginning to understand the crew's

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completely freaked out because I walked in here

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before, the day before Sandy Hook

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and I said something bad's about to happen.

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And I only do this and today I said I'm physically

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sick. They're getting ready to

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I sat on air, they're getting ready to blow stuff up and

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I said they're going to do

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their own shot heard around the world

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to blame it on us so like

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Lieutenant Concord and this is the day it

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happened at that place.

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Yeah.

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I mean my God

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because listen I said Bin Laden blew

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they'll say Bin Laden blew up the World Trade Center

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and they're going to blame it on him and he'll take the blame

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and I said that July 25th. I don't know

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how I know this stuff. It's like

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live on him my own 1900 number and start reading Horace

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Cubs or something. No I mean it's not that folks

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I get their script. Okay. So

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he's a psychic, he's predicted everything

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and great. How long

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after all

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the news broke is this?

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This is towards the end of the fourth hour.

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We're getting towards the end of the actual show.

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Right right right. Because the thing

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I hear is a

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genuine surprise at himself

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for being correct. Which suggests

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to me he doesn't even think about it when

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he says things are going to blow up. It's autopilot.

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It's just part of it and then

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one of his crew members like they're all

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going they're all freaking out because he did it

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and they have to tell him remember

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you predicted this and he's like holy

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shit I did. Oh my god that's so

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cool. Yeah and it's selective

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memory on the part of his

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his crew that obviously just

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forget about it every time he says this

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this sort of shit and then this

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one time it sticks out in your mind.

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Right. If you make it's the same thing they do

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with the financial collapse shit all the time like

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if you say every day the

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financial collapse is coming then when

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the 2008-2009 crisis hits

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you look like a genius

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until you review the tapes and see you saying it

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all the time. Every single fucking day yeah.

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And so I just you know

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if you want to play this game you can

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play it Alex but it's very transparent.

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Oh yeah. So Alex

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finds out a piece of information

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during the break from

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Rob Dew and it's that his brother

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was there

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at the marathon. Oh god no so we're

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going to have to. Well

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there's a bit of a misunderstanding

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between the two of them and

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Alex really over inflates this news.

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Yeah. Your

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wife's brother?

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Your wife's brother

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tell people

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what happened to him today. He

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was in command.

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Well I would not get to see him in command. Well you told me

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he was in command of the military there because I saw a troop

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tell me what you told me out there. I'll tell you

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he was running the race today.

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Yeah running the race.

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Oh running in the military. I misunderstood

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because I saw an army there. He was running

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in the race.

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And they had army there. He went with army

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in a bus and

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they were running. Well yeah I guess

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I can see how you mis-contribute.

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You just told me this morning during the break you're like

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because I knew he ran and stuff and knew he was

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in intelligence domestically so that I just

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got it wrong. So that's

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pretty fucking stupid misunderstanding

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for Alex to make. That's one more example

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of Alex not understanding

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words. Sure and

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also Alex probably sitting there thinking

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I should have not had Rob on

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a mic when I dropped this information.

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I think I could have spun this a little

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better. Could have done better. Yeah.

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Cause I wanted to say that he was in charge of the army

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there by willingly

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and very intentionally misunderstanding

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running a race.

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He's running the race.

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He's not running the race.

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He's running the race. So the story

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here is that Rob Dues brother was there

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with the army and he was running

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the race and

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at some point along the route

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someone came to him and said

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that he was showing signs of dehydration

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and he was made to

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leave the race. And so

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because he's in the army and

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Alex reports him as being

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a high level military intelligence

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guy. They kept him away from the bombing

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in order to signal that they

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knew what was going on and they didn't

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want any of their people to get hurt.

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That's the narrative that's being put forth here.

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Now first of all for someone who does a show

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like Alex does he really should be worried

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about revealing that his news director's

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dad is in the FBI and his brother

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in law is high level military

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intelligence. That's the sort of thing

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that really makes conspiracy theorists

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suspicious. Ah that's how he knows their

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language Dan. But man you can only say

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nah nah nah nah nah. They're the good guys

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in the spy grid. Deep state.

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You can only say that so many times before people

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decide you work for the man. Yeah.

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Well he probably does. Personally I don't really

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believe these credentials or at least

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I think they're intentionally exaggerated

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in order to create the appearance of proximity to

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legitimate information. Alex does this

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all the time. It's why he believes Steve

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Pechenik's fake resume. It's why he calls

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Christopher Monckton Lord. And it's why

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he pretends that Leo Zagami isn't a raving

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lunatic. It's all just what works best

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for the brand and the brand is deception.

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I'm inclined to believe

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considering that Rob and Alex offer

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no evidence to the contrary that Rob's brother

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in law did legitimately have signs of

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dehydration. Allow me to lay out

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a case. Marathons are long.

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Running is hard.

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Well he's in the army though. He's in good shape.

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April 15th, 2013

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was a fairly cool day in Boston

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with temperatures around 48 degrees

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which under normal conditions would lead you to think

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that a person in good shape would have no real trouble

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finishing a marathon.

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Generally the finish rate is pretty high

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for the Boston Marathon with about 95%

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of entrants completing the marathon in 2018.

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However, if you have

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over 20,000 entrants

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that's at least 1,000 people

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who for one reason or another don't

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pass the finish line. And a pretty

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good number of those people you kind of have to assume

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didn't finish because of medical reasons.

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It seems unlikely that they would train

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go through the steps to qualify, plan

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ahead, register, and show up for the marathon

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only to realize halfway through that they had a

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meeting they'd forgotten about or some other

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you know, it's not like

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That would be hilarious. You're running the marathon

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and you get a call and you're like, guys I gotta go to work

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fuck! Oh no, I got called in.

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It's something that takes

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a lot to get to the starting

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line. So most people

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that's why 95% finish.

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You're not having anybody who's

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like, uh, on a

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lark I'm just gonna go run the marathon today

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I woke up a little bit late but I can still

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make it there on time. Yeah. It's not

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super uncommon for people to be unable

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to finish the race. And three

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people have actually died running it before.

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One thing that makes the

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dehydration or exhaustion story

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a lot more possible to me is

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that it's pretty common for enlisted persons

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to sign up for these marathons but

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run them in honor of their fallen brothers in

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the service. They do this symbolically

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by participating in what's known as the

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Tough Ruck, which involves

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them doing the marathon in full uniform

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and carrying a military backpack that weighs

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about 40 pounds.

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That added variable could make it far more

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likely that someone would have a difficult time

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finishing the full marathon.

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Now I have no idea if Rob Doo's

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brother-in-law was doing the Tough Ruck

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but there definitely were

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enlisted persons doing that in the 2013

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Boston Marathon. It's literally

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impossible for me to figure out if any

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concrete information exists on this

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since the guy, uh, you know, it would be

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Rob Doo's sister's husband

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or whatever, so Doo isn't

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even his last name. Yeah. I have no way

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of tracking down any information.

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And they don't offer any because of course they don't.

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All this is to say that there's possible explanations

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for him being advised to leave the marathon

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that have nothing to do with conspiratorial

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paranoia. Right.

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Well I looked into it a little bit and I believe

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his name was Private First Class Illuminati

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so that doesn't... That's a dead ringer.

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That does support that.

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Admiral Cavendish.

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The best thing I can say for this is that

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Doo's information doesn't prove anything.

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The worst I can say is that Doo is allowing

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Alex to use his brother-in-law's

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medical situation to be used as

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part of his attempt to hijack and

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capitalize on the deaths of three people

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and injuries of 250 plus others.

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Which I find to be an immoral act.

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Yeah, he should have

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gone from Doo to Don't on this one.

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I agree. So that's my

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perspective on this. Let's see if Richard Belzer

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has a different take.

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Yeah, it's very... Now stay there,

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stay there. Richard Belzer, what's your take on that?

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Well, I'm

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rarely speechless, but

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the fact that they pulled him out

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means now we know it is a

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domestic operation.

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Oh my god, if he wasn't really

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sick, did he say he was sick?

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They're going to tell him to shut up. Call him right now.

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Call him right now.

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Before it, I shouldn't even have.

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This is breaking right now. I am living in...

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They're saving their own people.

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Yeah, they save their own people every time.

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Yeah, there you go, man.

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Or, counter-theory,

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he was dehydrated.

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Okay, well you could believe what he has to say.

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Because he said it.

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Right.

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You know what, you're wrong.

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That's not even a possibility.

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It obviously is them saving their own people.

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God, that was

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too easy too.

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That's so transparent and easy.

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God, I don't even care

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if Doo even has a brother-in-law.

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They were going

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to do that anyways.

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Someone was going to have some...

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Or it would be a caller.

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He'd be able to build off some

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sort of insinuation somewhere.

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The Department of Transportation is on the road.

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That's for damn sure.

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So that's the end of the 15th,

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Alex's overdrive, 4th hour.

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And like I said,

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Jakari Jackson and David Knight

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come in and do more

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in order to keep all eyes

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on speculation, more or less.

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And so we jump back...

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Just keep the fires stoked, at least.

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And so we jump back in here on the 16th

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and we see that Alex has decided

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to make this a regular thing.

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3 a.m. Central Standard Time

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on the 16th day of April,

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2013.

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I am your host, Alex Jones,

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and we are going to be live here

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for the next 10-11

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hours or so.

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And again, in the future, we're going to have even more

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reporters and crew will be able to easily go

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24 hours straight or longer.

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Nope. Still not true

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in 2019. Man!

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He has been on that tip for a long time.

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He definitely has, but what you see here

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is, you know, just striking while the iron's hot.

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That kind of mentality

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is like, well, here's a thing

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we can make a lot of fucking hay out of this.

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There's not a lot of information coming out.

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This is ripe for speculation.

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People are in the right headspace

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to hear conjecture and bullshit

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in order to satisfy their need for something.

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And I'm gonna fill it.

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Yeah, if there's a vacuum,

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everybody wants something there, so...

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Nature abhors a vacuum and I abhor Alex.

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Yeah.

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There's not a ton more information that's come

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out since the 15th to the 16th.

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There is information that's come out

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about the bomb being a pressure cooker.

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Those little bits

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of information have

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come out, but in terms of a lot of concrete

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reporting, I went back through

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and was looking through articles posted

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in that day, and a lot of it is

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just the very standard little

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bit of information that

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they had. Yeah, the who and the why

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were not yet available for a while.

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This is only speculation

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put out by the internet.

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Yeah.

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There's a lot of failings of the media

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in the course of this. It's not just Alex.

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Alex is way worse than everybody

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else. Yeah, well, he's the one who's trying to

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fail us. But none of this is to let

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people off the hook at other places.

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And I have some

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critiques of them that may come up in a

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later show. But for today,

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really, we're looking

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squarely at what Alex did.

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And it's not good.

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So, Alex

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talks about how, you know, I've been saying

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there's going to be a false flag forever.

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Great. And then he complains

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about Obama's speech. Sure.

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Bottom line, you know that I've been saying

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there'll be false flag IED

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improvised explosive device attacks all

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over the country. What? Because I know

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the scripting. Sure. And the globalist

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always trained police and others

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for the narrative they're going to

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carry out, whether it's staged

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defense, provocateur,

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or organic, which are very rare.

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These terror attacks are rare

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period. The

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system will use this to roll out

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TSA in the malls on the streets

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of America and

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basically a

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ratcheting up of the overall

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martial law type atmosphere.

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Before I went live, Obama

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spoke. We're going to find that clip. It was about 30

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minutes ago. I watched his

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press conference. It's Obama's new press conference.

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It's whitehouse.gov.

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He's wearing a really ugly tie,

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black and white speckled tie,

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people that want to be able to find which one of the

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fear mongering press conferences it was.

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I looked at that tie. It wasn't so bad.

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Oh yeah? It wasn't

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the first thing that came to mind.

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Was it a fear mongering tie, though?

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I don't think so. What does a fear mongering

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tie look like? A lot of that speech

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was about the people who helped each other.

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That speech was about

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the runners going to give blood.

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That speech was about people taking off their

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clothes to make tourniquets for other people.

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Like, that's not fear mongering.

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Right. It's almost like... Alex is

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fear mongering. It's almost like

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he took one of Obama's strengths,

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empathy and oratory,

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and attacked it and tried to

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make him look weak for it. Almost as if

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he's Swift Boating a man. It is kind of

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strange how he does that. Weird.

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So Alex gets down to his

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like, I always love it when he gets

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into like, real... I don't know why

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I hate the bells so much now.

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That's just so stupid. I told you. It ruined it for me.

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I know, but that's just so... Now I want

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to yell at Richard Belzer.

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I can't watch SVU anymore.

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I know. I didn't wake up today wanting to yell at the bells.

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Rock the bells.

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I love it when Alex

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I love it when Alex gets into

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metrics. Like when he talks in specific

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numbers. And so he gives his

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percent chance that this was

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real. 98%.

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And I'd say there's maybe one

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chance out of 100, conservatively, that this

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is some lone nut.

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One chance out of 100, conservatively

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that this is real.

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What's your wildest...

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What are you talking liberally?

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Four. So by this point

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Alex has had time to gather

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resources and figure out a way

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to have defense

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for premise

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two. That they're blaming the

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Patriots. They're coming for you. And here's how

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he sets out on

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that road that he will be going on

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throughout the 16th.

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Now within an hour, and

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I'm not exaggerating, I have 10

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different clips. We're not going to play them all. I'm sure you've

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seen them. We'll play some.

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Where they said, you know, the number one suspect

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is right wingers.

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The White House has come out and said that.

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Axelrod. Obama thinks bombings

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could be related to tax day.

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So this is such a classic Alex

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move. He has tons of evidence that

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concretely makes his point, but he's sure

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you've seen it already, so he's not going to bore you with

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proving his case. This

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to a right thinking person should be a strong

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indication that he does not have a ton

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of evidence. Based on

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what he's shown so far, I think he's manufacturing

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a perception. He's clearly

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distorted Wolf Blitzer's words in the closing

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segment of the April 15th

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episode, so that's one instance of something

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he thinks is proof of blaming right wingers

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with a bombing that's complete bullshit.

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And now his second example is a comment

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by David Axelrod that Obama

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thinks the bombings could be related to

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tax day. Axelrod's

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comments were regarding the fact that Obama

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didn't immediately call this an act of

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terrorism, explaining that, quote,

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the word has taken on a different meaning since

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9-11. He went on to say,

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quote, you use those words and it

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means something very specific in people's minds.

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And I'm sure what was going through

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the mind of the president is, well, we

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don't really know who did this. It was tax

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day. Someone who was

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pro, you know, you just don't know.

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And I think that his attitude

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is let's not put any inference

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into this. Let's just make clear

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we're going to get the people responsible.

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Right. And that is why

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everybody hated him on the right.

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It's what you're urging

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restraint. No, let's start

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a new war with Iraq.

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It's really tough to parse exactly

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what Axelrod was saying there.

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A possible reading of it is that Axelrod

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thinks that Obama might think that

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tax day had something to do with the bombing.

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But another reading of it is that Axelrod

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himself just thinks

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that. Another reading is that

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the fact that it was tax day was just

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an example Axelrod came up with

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to express that there are a ton of motives

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that could be behind the bombing. And at that

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point, no one really knew what the situation was.

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I'm inclined to err

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towards that last one, since he also

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says, quote, let's not put any inference

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into this, which seems to indicate he's trying

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to avoid putting inference into it.

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Literally, his main,

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like, that's almost the worst

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example of

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having to use an example.

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You know, like, he can't just say,

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oh, well, we don't know who did it

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because everybody'd lose their shit. And they'd be like,

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this is a terrible interview. So he has to

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he has to give, like, an explanation for why

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we're not just going to come out and say,

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oh, this is

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Al-Qaeda. Yeah, yeah. We're

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going to say, it could be

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it could be Islam

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it could be, it could be

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it could be anything. But because

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it's because the first one is like, oh, it's

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tax day, then it's also

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constructed in a defense

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of why didn't Obama call this

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an act of terrorism. Right. And

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the explanation of it is there are a lot

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of motives. The first easiest one

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that people could understand

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is, well, it was also tax day.

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You know, like, which by implication

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means that he wouldn't consider

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that a terrorist impulse.

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Possibly. Because it's tax day. And you know

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what I'm saying? But no matter what it is, it's not

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blaming someone with a tax motivation. Of course.

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No. It's not concrete in

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any way. On a scale of total

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bullshit to their blaming the tea

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party, I'm going to give this a one or a two.

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It's easy to see how it could be

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spun to say that they're pointing the finger at tax

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protesters. But it's entirely unconvincing

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to me and only works if you

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take it completely out of context. Absolutely.

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So

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Alex is convinced that this is a false

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flag by the 16th. He is very certain

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of that. And he has

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something that runs through this entire episode

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which is, he believes

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that media, like media

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matters, media-ites, these

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sorts of places, are attacking

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him for saying that they're

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gonna blame right-wingers

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and then they go on to blame right-wingers

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thereby proving Alex

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right for the thing that they

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demonized him for saying.

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Oh, what a tangled web we weave.

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When first we set up to tell the truth.

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So here's a clip

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sort of embodying that.

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Okay.

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Gotcha. So I searched

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everything posted on media matters

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from the time of the bombing to the point Alex is

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on air now and I think I might

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have a sense of what he's talking about.

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On the morning of the 16th, Matt

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Gertz published an article titled

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quote, the worst conservative reactions

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to the Boston bombings. The first

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entry was Alex with a screenshot

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of his Twitter, rest in peace,

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saying quote, our hearts go out to those

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that are hurt or killed, hashtag

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Boston marathon, but this

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thing stinks to high heaven, hashtag

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false flag.

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Hashtags.

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The rest of the list is people

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I hate living in the

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age of Twitter. I hate it.

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At least Alex hasn't done it anymore. I really

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I look, I love

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love love indoor

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plumbing, but I want to go back to before

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all of the technology. I just

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I'm not for this. It was a bad road. It was a

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bad idea. The rest of that list is just people

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like Laura Ingraham and Pat Robertson

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blaming immigrants and Muslims. Right, of course.

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There's nothing about criticizing Alex for

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saying that they were going to blame the Patriots or

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anything like that. There's another post

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from the 16th titled quote, Alex Jones

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and his enablers, but this too

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doesn't seem to be critiquing him for saying that the

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globalists are going to blame the Patriots for the bombing.

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It just seems to be people

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rightfully and rightly responding

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with disgust to how quickly Alex tried to

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turn a tragedy into a narrative by calling

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it a false flag.

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That article probably had him more worried, though,

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since it was discussing the people who validate

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Alex, despite him being consistently

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wrong in a disgrace.

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That article specifically calls out Ron Paul,

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Rand Paul, Lou Dobbs, Judge Napolitano,

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Belzer,

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and all the other supposedly credible mainstream

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people who willingly or unwittingly

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elevate Alex's stature.

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If I were Alex, I would probably see that as

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an attack, but it still doesn't fit

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with what Alex is describing.

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I really can't find any evidence that media matters

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was condemning him for saying that they were going

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to blame the bombing on Patriots.

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I think they were just kind of offended that he called

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it a false flag within minutes with no information.

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Yeah.

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Salon kind of wrote an article like that,

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but if you actually read it, it's more

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just an article that's like, look at this asshole.

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Yeah.

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That's kind of the point of that article.

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Man, Salon, White House front group,

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which in 2013, didn't they still

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employ Glenn Greenwald?

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Well, actually, Glenn was working at The Guardian.

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Ah, that was that.

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And he actually wrote an article there saying,

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quote, obviously it's possible that perpetrators

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will turn out to be Muslim, just like

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it's possible they'll turn out to be the extremist

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right-wing activists,

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or left-wing agitators,

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or Muslim-fearing Anders Breivik types,

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or lone individuals driven

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by apolitical mental illness.

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He even calls out a few Democrats on Twitter

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who made suggestions it was a right-winger,

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along with calling out Islamophobes, insisting

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it must be a Muslim. His take

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on it was pretty even-handed, in no way suggests

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that it was a right-winger.

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Jank on The Young Turks had a conversation

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on his show about different reactions

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people might have depending on who the bomber was,

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saying that if it was a Muslim, people

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will call for war, but if it's a right-winger,

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those same people will say it's just a crazy guy.

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The conversation's pretty speculative,

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but it's not at all saying that

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the bomber was a right-winger, or pointing the finger.

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It's hypothetical in nature.

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Looking over the mainstream

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reporting in the immediate aftermath, the

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day and the day after, I didn't

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really see a lot of people blaming right-wing

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extremists at all. There's some

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suggestion that some such group could be

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a suspect, based on the timing and amateurish

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nature of the bomb, but all those

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suggestions were accompanied by disclaimers that we

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have no idea who was behind this, and it's too

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early to say. Alex's

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rhetoric does not seem to match up with

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the media, which to me is an indication

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that, like I keep bringing up, he's trying

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to build premise two of

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his argument, in service of proving

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his conclusion, that the globalists

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are about to bring this whole thing down, panic

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everybody. He needs premise two,

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so even if the media doesn't do

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what he's predicted they will, he's

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going to go out of his way to make it

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look how he needs it to.

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On a very basic level, this is purely

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designed to cause panic and fear, and

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put his audience in a near-apocalyptic

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state. And it's disgusting to see someone

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respond to a legitimate tragedy like

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this, because it's

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very unhealthy. And to see

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him use this like, these

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these outlets are

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responding to what I did like humans

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might, saying this guy's a fucking asshole.

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And then they

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blame the Patriots.

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Adding that wrinkle into it

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to sort of invalidate other people's

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correct criticism of you

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is just even worse. All this is just

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a psychodrama he's forcing on

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his audience. And

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it's bad.

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What always kind of

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weirds me out about these

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these idiots

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whenever they're talking about like, oh

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it's Muslim terrorism

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or anything like that, is then they just

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try and inspire more fear in their

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audience, which

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that's the whole point of a terrorist attack

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is to make people afraid.

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So why are you, so if you're

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you're saying that

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you're condemning them, but then exploiting

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it, and playing into their

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hands? Strange dynamic.

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It seems like you guys have a

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almost symbiotic

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relationship as opposed to

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an antithetical one.

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It's weird how that works. It is kind of weird how that works.

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But really, Alex

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to himself, he

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thinks that all he's doing is like asking

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questions and being a journalist, trying to get

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to the bottom of shit. Sure.

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Because he doesn't understand what a journalist does.

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No, there's that. But you can see that that's not the case.

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And you can see in this next clip

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that what he's doing is using

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all of the narratives that he had built up

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over the past couple months and applying

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them to the current situation.

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You see, none of us are allowed to be

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involved in the narrative. None of us are allowed

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to speculate, ask questions

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like, gee, it's Patriots Day in Boston.

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Gee,

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do you think they're going to try to

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blame a right-wing group? They're only

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putting out Southern Poverty Law Center and ADL

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memos last month saying

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domestic terror attacks are

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imminent. We warned you right

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before the Oklahoma City bombing.

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We warned Bill Clinton

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and now

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we're warning you, Obama, the

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attacks are imminent. You can look that up.

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And you've got all these dramas and

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sitcoms and movies with propaganda

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placement saying the Tea

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Party is going to bomb people

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at public events

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and they're the new enemy, not Al-Qaeda.

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And then you have this happen where

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the country started,

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where the Revolutionary War, where 1776

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started in 1775,

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Lexington, Concord,

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Boston.

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Patriots Day, April 15th

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in Boston, the real Patriots

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Day is the 19th.

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Stuart Rhodes is on his way there

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driving right now.

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He's going to be joining us later in the broadcast of Oathkeepers.

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Somebody stop him. And he's like, oh

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yeah, false flag all over it. Oh, great.

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Stuart Rhodes is chimed in. Thanks, Stuart.

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Leader of the Oathkeepers. Thanks,

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Stu. But you see this also.

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Who does Alex go to immediately

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when there's a need?

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I don't know, a right wing lunatic who

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might bomb something? Well,

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consider him an expert. Yeah, that's

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a good point.

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Go to the source. What you see

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there is a fine tuning of the old

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narratives that Alex had been building now that the

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payoff has come. He chisels them

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down. Instead of they're going to nuke

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Chicago in order to blame us,

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they had been saying that

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veterans and patriots are going

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to put IEDs everywhere.

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You take whatever is

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functional out of the myths

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and the narratives that you've built and

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apply them to the present situation and

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pretend all the other shit never happened,

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all the other dumb bullshit you've been talking about.

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I really cannot imagine

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like,

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having a friend who

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after the Boston bombing I could text

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the question,

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was it one of you guys?

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Alex has a few of them. Alex has a bunch of those

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friends. How wild is that?

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That's crazy to have a

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bunch of known terrorist groups.

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Like, hey, did you guys do

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the Boston bombing? No? Okay cool, then

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I'm going to lie about you. And then fucking imagine

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who he has like second degree

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like just through Larry Pratt

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from Gun Owners of America alone.

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Like imagine what kind of contacts that

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fucking dude has.

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Yeah, it's pretty weird.

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Closely, like, you don't need the Kevin Bacon

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game. No.

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It's a very short phone tree.

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Yeah. So I have this

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clip which is kind of off base a little bit,

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you know, like it's kind of not really related

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to the primary stuff that's going on, but it

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I found it very interesting

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because it's something that Alex does not believe

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just two years later

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and

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it's weird to hear this.

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Putin's been caught in 99

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planting bombs in a fourth building. When they got

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caught, the FSB, Federal Security Bureau,

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by local Moscow police, I remember

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Moscow, they said, oh it's part of a drill, let us

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out of jail. So Alex

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believes that Putin did

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those bombings. He

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aggressively denies that

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in 2015

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when he loves Putin. Yeah. So something

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changes. So weird. Yeah, very

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strange. Because he's talking about like evidence

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that Putin did it here.

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Oh, and Putin did do it.

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Not just like, I think he did it. No.

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He's like, FSB people got caught.

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They said it was part of a drill. Every time he

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is correct about something in 2013,

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we find out in 2015 he

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changes. He's retconned everything. Exactly.

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So that's part of the

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argument that he's trying to make, that

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everything is a drill. There's

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always a drill that covers up

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the actual false flag.

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And we've seen this before, he talked about that in terms of

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Sandy Hook.

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It's universal throughout his rhetoric.

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And he's found

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out that there was a drill

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at the Boston bombing. Oh no.

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And now what came out

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was they're

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thinking out about and having their surrogates

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come out and demonize. No one

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in mainstream media is covering

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this but DrudgeReport.com

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and

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that's not even

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really mainstream media. Drudge has a link

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to this story

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that is in local news. When I say

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mainstream national is not covering it.

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Local 15 TV

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out of Boston.

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We're going to get to this in a little while, the video of it.

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A little while? A document can please.

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UM Coach

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bomb sniffing dogs, spotters

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on roofs before explosions. Well

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now they're not calling them police spotters.

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Go to Drudge.

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Now it's the mysterious man hunt

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for the mysterious man

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in the hoodie. There were cops all over the

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roofs in hoodies. We've got the video, we've got the photos.

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No you don't. Or whatever

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you have doesn't mean anything. So he

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does talk about this a little bit later and before I discuss

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it I'll let him lay this out.

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Ladies and gentlemen, let's go

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further.

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Ollie Stevenson

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the

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marathon

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coach

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University of Mobile's cross country

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coach who was near the

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finish line of the Boston Marathon

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when a series of explosions went off, said he

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thought it was odd there were bomb sniffing dogs

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at the start and finish lines. They kept making announcements

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to the participants. Don't worry, it's

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just a training exercise. Now

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our own Dan Badandi said

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Ollie Stevenson on Local 15, that is

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nowhere in the national news

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unless it's the alternative news of

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mfallwars.com

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prisonplanet.com

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prisonplanet.tv

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I remember this being parroted

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very heavily

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in the days right after

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the bombing and what it was was

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they turned it into a

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perception that there were announcements

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like just before the

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explosions or in the aftermath

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that this is a drill. That's how

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the story gets twisted and

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that's sort of the way Alex is presenting it.

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And like I said, whenever he wants to portray

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something as a false flag, the only arrow

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in his quiver he chooses, the one

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he feels is unassailable evidence,

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is to argue that there was a drill going on

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at the same time as the event, meant

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to provide cover for the actual attack.

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If you look throughout his career

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it's almost universal. It's part of almost

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every conspiracy he's ever promoted.

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And generally speaking, what he does is he finds

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something that seems a little weird

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but only weird because there was a tragedy

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and he ascribes greater significance

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to it than is merited. In this case

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he's taken a local Boston news article

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about a runner saying that there were bomb-sniffing

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dogs at the race. This is meaningless

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evidence, as is

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his supposed pictures of people on roofs and

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hoodies. None of that proves a damn thing.

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It's just titillating bullshit.

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I consulted some running forums

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to see what kind of chatter there was there

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in the aftermath of the bombing, and I found

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a lot of accounts of people who claim to have been there.

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Granted, these are just posts on

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message boards, but they do seem pretty

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consistent.

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The situation is that they were told

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not to pet these dogs, and that there

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were dogs that were there for training

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purposes. The dogs were

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being trained, which might seem slightly weird,

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but that's only because there was a bombing.

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If it hadn't happened, you'd

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just look at that and say, well, I guess it makes sense

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to get the dogs acclimated to a setting where

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there's a lot of bustle and noise,

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and tons of people around, and tons of stuff

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that could distract them. That seems like a

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tough environment to artificially create,

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and honestly, I don't think there's any reason

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to assume that the dogs were there for

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bomb-sniffing training purposes,

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more for huge crowd desensitization

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purposes.

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I don't understand all the ins and outs of training

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police dogs, but I can imagine how this might

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go. Pretty universally, this

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was the position of people on running forums.

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The people who were there

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and actually heard the announcement, it was an

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announcement not to pet the dogs.

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Be calm around the dogs.

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Don't startle the dogs.

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It wasn't be calm while there's a bomb

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going off. Even after

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surviving the bombing, like these people

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are reporting this, they didn't think it was

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anything weird, and I tend

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to agree with them.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, yeah.

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Yeah. So Alex makes

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this narrative

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that there were announcements...

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Wait, I changed my mind. No, that's suspicious as shit.

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Okay. Alex makes this

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narrative out of there were announcements that

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this is a drill and you need to stay calm.

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Before we break down even a little bit more about

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this, I want to talk about why this is stupid on its

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face. Alex is trying to argue

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that the bombing was a drill that went live,

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and he's arguing that a piece of evidence

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is that someone announced on the speakers for people

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to stay calm, it was just a drill.

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This would tend to imply that the person

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making the announcement was involved in the drill,

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since they knew or believed it to be a

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drill. If they were actually running

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a drill, they would be doing so to

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gauge police preparedness or

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response strategies. And in order to

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accurately gauge those things, it's important

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that people act as if the drill were actually

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real. It would

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100% ruin the drill if

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someone were to convince everyone to stay calm,

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as it would completely alter the crowd's

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reaction to what was happening.

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I guess that could be a good drill if you're trying to test

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police response to a group of people who don't

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believe an attack is actually happening,

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but I feel like that scenario isn't very useful

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to prepare for in the real world.

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It wasn't then,

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but now it is becoming more and more useful,

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as more and more people are

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not going to believe anything.

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The idea that someone got on a PA

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system and told people not to panic is

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actually some incredibly strong evidence

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that this was a real bombing,

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if it did happen, which I don't think it did.

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It could have been misguided

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advice, but the sort of thing you would expect

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a well-meaning person trying to help

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in a crisis to say, like, everyone calm, be calm.

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Orderly fashion!

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Don't trample everybody.

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There's a lot of us, and you're going to wind up

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killing more people if we have a stampede.

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The reality of someone

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saying that, I would interpret

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that as evidence of reality.

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But again, I don't think that's

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actually what happened. I think it's a

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misrepresentation of this article.

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It would still be hard

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to explain if someone

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did make that announcement, why they said

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it was a drill, and like I said, I don't

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think I need to explain that, since I don't think it happened.

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If you read the actual post

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in the local 15 News out of Boston,

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it does interview University of Mobile

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coach Ali Stevenson, and

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he says that there were announcements that this was a training

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exercise. However, there's literally

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no indication from the text or anything

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Stevenson says that these announcements happened

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after the bombs went off, or just before,

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or anything. If you read his

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words and compare them to other accounts of people

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who were there, he's just describing the announcements

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not to pet the dogs in a more

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suspicious way than other people might have

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chosen to. There was something like

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20,000 people running in that marathon,

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and all of the claims about an announcement

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that there was a drill, or to stay calm,

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all come from paranoid

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conspiratorial interpretations of comments

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of this one guy, Ali

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Stevenson. It's very hard to take this

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too seriously when there's tons of videos

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people captured on their phones, and this announcement

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doesn't show up in any of them,

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when there are literally tens of thousands of witnesses

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and no one has put forth an account that backs

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this up, other than ones that are like,

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don't startle the dogs.

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And to be clear, I'm not even saying

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that I'm sure that Stevenson's making

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anything up. You know, there's a really

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good chance that people were told to be calm around

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the dogs, and his comments could make sense

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in the context of runners being told not

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to bother these dogs. They're there to be

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trained and acclimated to high

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stress, lots of people environments.

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He might have been factually right, but

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spoken in such a way that conspiracy idiots

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decided to read exactly what they wanted

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to hear from his words. As I look

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at the information available, it's really hard

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not to reach that conclusion. This guy

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spoke imprecisely about being informed there

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was a dog training exercise going on,

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and to remain calm around the dogs, and

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Alex and his ilk have taken that as proof

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that the whole thing was a drill.

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That's my assessment, and I feel like

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what this boils down to. Now, in future

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episodes, there's a

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big wrinkle about drills,

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but that will have to wait.

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They're power tools?

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Alex will find a piece of information.

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I don't know this to be the

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case from listening to his episodes,

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but I remember that he finds

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a piece of information that proves

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to him drills stuff, and it's far

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far more complicated, but

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we will get to that in the future.

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Fucking tease.

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Sorry. So how do you like Fox

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programming? Oh, you know me!

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Cartoons in particular.

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Big fan of The Simpsons.

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I was, seasons

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2 through 9.

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The critic was great.

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King of the Hill. Fantastic.

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Based on Alex Jones.

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Absolutely. So Alex

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wants to talk about Family Guy.

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Oh, okay, well then never mind.

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He has decided that the Family Guy

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proved in advance

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that the Boston bombing was

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planned, because they showed

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the Boston bombing in an episode

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that aired a month prior.

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Right, right, right, right. I want to

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get a drill and put it through my brain.

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Well, how about you wait until

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after this clip?

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They had a Family Guy that aired two weeks ago

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where the dad

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who's a Tea Party guy joins

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the Taliban. Again, that oxymoron

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that they're still pushing it. Until people

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believe it. West Point says it.

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Army to crush Tea Party

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rebellion, Forbes, AP, Reuters.

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You're like, that doesn't make sense.

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Now, it will make sense.

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Family Guy has him at a subconscious

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level, it's almost subliminal.

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We're going to play this coming up. It's up at Infowars.com.

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Fake laugh.

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That was weird. That's a weird maniacal laugh.

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That's a laugh that somebody who actually caused the bombing.

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That's a disturbed person.

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Like, there's no excuse to talk about the bombing the day after it happened and laugh like that out to break.

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Like a James Bond villain.

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There's literally no context, even if you're talking about a Family Guy episode,

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that I can think of that makes it even close to acceptable behavior, and I describe that as monstrous.

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Alex is talking about an episode of Family Guy that had been released on March 17th, 2013, called Turban Cowboy.

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In the episode, Peter has a skydiving accident and meets a guy named Mahmoud in the hospital.

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Small point. Peter Griffin is not a Tea Party guy.

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So much so that they actually made an episode that aired on May 13th, 2012, called Tea Peter,

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where the whole joke is that Peter joined the Tea Party and succeeded in shutting down the government.

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The whole point of that episode was that the Tea Party is an astroturf movement

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funded by big corporate interests who want to get rid of regulation.

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Peter learns that and reinstalls the government.

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Yeah.

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He's not a Tea Party guy. That is not a part of his character.

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Anyway.

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Well, he's from Boston.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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Uh, Quahog.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, in the episode Alex is talking about, Peter and Mahmoud become friends,

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which leads Peter to convert to Islam.

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But, of course, it turns out that Mahmoud is a terrorist.

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Oh no!

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Peter gets roped into a plan to blow up the Quahog bridge, but tries to back out.

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The plot gets disrupted, but as the episode is ending,

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Peter uses a cell phone to call the drunken clam to have them get his table ready,

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which seems weird because it's just a fucking bar.

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But the phone is rigged and it causes the bridge to blow up.

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Yeah.

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So that's the gag at the end.

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There it is.

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I am not a Family Guy guy.

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And I think it's bad use of our time to critique the show's inconsistent messaging.

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So I'm gonna leave that here alone for a bit.

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How shitty this is.

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Yeah.

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The sort of weird muddiness.

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Yeah.

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Some of the messages.

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What's important is the claim that Alex is making.

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He's saying that this episode predicted the Boston bombing,

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saying that Peter used the cell phone to blow up bombs at the finish line of the race.

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And that is absolutely not true.

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The cell phone was linked to bombs at the Quahog bridge.

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What Alex is doing is combining the end of the episode,

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where bombs are triggered by cell phone with a cutaway joke from the beginning of the episode.

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When Peter is skydiving before he has his accident, he says,

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I haven't felt a rush like this since I won that marathon.

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And it cuts to him driving through a crowd of people in the Boston marathon with his car.

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Gotcha.

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It's unclear if it was someone at Infowars or even Alex himself who did it,

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but someone edited together the clip of this cutaway joke from the beginning of the episode

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and the cell phone gag from the end of the episode to make it look

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like Peter used cell phone-triggered bombs to attack the Boston marathon.

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It may have been created in-house, might have been, might not have been,

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but even if it wasn't, Infowars was the first outlet to widely circulate this,

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and it's a complete misinterpretation and misrepresentation.

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The only reason someone would push something like this is if they're desperate to create

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a counter-reality to the one the rest of the world is experiencing.

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It's an abuse of active media, and Alex should be profoundly ashamed of this.

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That's fucked up.

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Yeah, and it's very clear, the misrepresentation.

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It's clear the intention of it.

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Yeah.

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I would believe that it was probably some online troll, but Alex was-

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That would make the most sense.

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Who actually created it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Just trying to cause trouble.

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Yeah.

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Fuck with people.

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And then Alex treated it as real.

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Of course.

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And gave it legitimacy.

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Yeah, when it comes to Alex and Occam's Razor with anything technological,

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it's better to err on the side of Alex stole it than Alex did it.

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Also, another important point, even if Alex's complete misrepresentation about this Family

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Guy episode was accurate, he still at this point has literally no idea how the bombs

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were detonated.

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The initial theories were that they were on a timer, but by the end of April, the House

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Intelligence Committee had determined that they were triggered by a remote control, similar

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to one you'd use for a toy car.

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Yeah.

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It's really important to look at stuff like this, because Alex has already decided that

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this absolutely was a false flag, and the defense he's giving of his theories are really

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weak.

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If you look at them, you find consistent, intentional misrepresentations.

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Misrepresentations that would only be made to try and steer people towards the conclusion

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that it was a false flag, which Alex has decided already.

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When you have to resort to that kind of an approach to make your argument, that is a

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bad sign.

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Bad sign.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I don't think he's doing a great job so far.

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No, bad.

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His Boston bombing coverage is... You know, I halfway think on the 15th, whenever he got

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the news that it happened, and everybody's freaking out, and they tell him that he said

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that there was going to be an explosion, and he was like, oh my God, I did.

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I halfway think in his head, he's like, the coverage that we're going to do is going to

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win us the first Pulitzer that Info Wars has ever had.

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I think it's possible, but I also think that he didn't expect that they wouldn't catch

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the people.

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Right, right, right.

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Like, I really don't think that he... I don't think that he had any expectation that he'd

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have to stretch it out over a day.

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No, I agree.

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Like this, I think that he's lost without a map to a certain extent.

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He still knows what narratives he has to build and the direction he has to go.

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But I think he thought that there would be a clear suspect, maybe even arrest within

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24 hours.

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And then he'd be able to lie about that.

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Exactly.

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And that's the territory that he's the best at.

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He wants there to be an image of what it is they are telling you, and then he can twist

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it to whatever it is he says.

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Yeah.

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Instead, he just has to create, like, this is a drill based on this misrepresentation

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of this article.

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He has to say it was a false flag based on, oh, it was on Family Guy before, based on

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a completely manipulatively edited clip.

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It's crazy.

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That is interesting.

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To continue with the wet cement metaphor, the cement can't be wet for too long, because

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then somebody else can run, scrape over your initials there.

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Yeah, it's true.

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There can't be that much, there can't be such a huge distance between when an event happens

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and when actual information comes out.

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Yeah.

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Because the longer it goes, the more flimsy your bullshit will look.

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When you realize the concrete isn't drying on its own, you need to work to dry that concrete.

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Exactly.

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And I think that's kind of what he does, you know, in terms of trying to solidify this

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argument that they're going to blame the Patriots.

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Right.

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I think he's working to try and dry it, but I don't think it works.

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So I think he does give his audience one good piece of advice, based on sort of a fictional

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reality, and that is that you should never be involved at all in bombing drills.

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Oh, okay.

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Don't get involved in drills.

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Most of the time they're not going to do it, but let me tell you, one out of a hundred

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drills or so, they're going to blow it up.

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They're going to tell you leave it and then you're going to get arrested.

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You're going to get drugged up.

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You're going to get tortured.

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You're going to get electroshock therapy until you go before the military tribunal and say

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that you bombed the Sears Tower or you bombed the mall or you bombed the school.

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I'm going to tell you, it's just like Arlington Road.

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The professor is trying to stop it and they trick him to run, you know, to be on the news

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and then run into the parking garage when it goes off.

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I mean, they're telling you how they do it right there, okay?

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I'm getting chills.

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And I told you this was going to happen yesterday before it happened.

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I'm getting chills talking about the movie that I use as a reference to talk about this

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bullshit.

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They're telling you how they're going to do it, which is poorly and in kind of a slapstick

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manner.

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Yeah.

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So in this next clip, Alex says something that is not good for his present day lawsuit

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in Sandy Hook.

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Okay.

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And now that our own Dan Badandi in two different press conferences with the police chief, the

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mayor and the governor, our own East Coast reporter, Dan Badandi, made national news

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just asking real questions about, hey, now there's The Huffington Post, Boston Marathon

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bombing brings out conspiracy theories.

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That means people that are willing to go, hey, there was a drill.

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And the police say, no, there wasn't a drill.

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So Alex is taking ownership of Dan Badandi, which in the present day, he is trying to

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distance himself.

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Oh yeah, why is that?

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Quite heavily.

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Why is that?

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Is there any reason?

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Partially because Dan Badandi, there's a lot of videos of him harassing people in Sandy

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Hook in Newtown.

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And Alex doesn't want people to think that he was an employee of Infowars as much as

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he was a guy, you know, we covered stuff.

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Unfortunately, later in the episode, he says this.

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It's because you put them on a stand, you oppose them with real questions.

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And all of a sudden, the mainstream media don't like it because...

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Well, that's why I hired you is because you are fearless.

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And I know you get homesick with, you know, go up to see your son and your family, everybody

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back in Rhode Island.

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But as an East Coast reporter, the reports you file every week are just phenomenal.

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And we're hiring more editors.

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So he makes it clear that he hired Dan Badandi.

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100%.

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That's gonna be tough for him to argue that he wasn't an actual employee.

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Good luck with that.

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Yeah.

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So Alex plays the clip of Ali Stevenson, just short for Alistair Stevenson, talking about

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this situation.

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Alex adds a ton of spin.

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And then we learn a little bit about what Dan Badandi did.

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Now, here's the coach.

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This is the shorter clip, the full clip's up on infowars.com.

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DrudgeReport.com also has it.

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UM coach, bomb sniffing dogs, spotters on roofs before explosions.

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And then in the very area, they kept making announcements to the participants.

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Do not worry.

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It's just a training exercise, kind of like 9-11.

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Stay at your desk.

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Everything's fine.

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Or just over and over again, the Aurora shooting.

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It's fine.

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It's just a drill.

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Let's go ahead and now go to that clip.

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At the start line this morning, they had bomb spotters

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on the roof of the building, and they had bomb sniffing dogs.

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He has no reason to assume that people on roofs are bomb spotters.

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That's just his own conjecture.

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So no, they're on a roof, and a bombing happened.

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Right.

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So that means that.

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Yeah.

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Coming up and down at the start line, and they only said there was bomb sniffing dogs

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at the finish line, but they kept making announcements saying to the participants,

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do not worry.

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This is just a training exercise.

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Well, evidently, I don't believe they were just having a training exercise.

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I think they must have known.

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They must have had some kind of threat, so sufficient called in.

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No kidding.

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And again, they're lying about that.

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That is undoubted.

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And again, we're breaking the real news.

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We're forcing the real issues out in the open.

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We're engaged in real journalism.

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So I salute Dan Badandi.

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Wow.

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Salute Dan Badandi.

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That is so brazen.

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Yeah.

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It is so fucking brazen and frustrating that we're doing journalism.

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The real journalism.

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I have a guy there who is saying things that are not true, and that is real journalism.

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I have a guy who's a pro wrestler yelling at people, and it's exciting.

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Hey, Dan.

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So you got a day off.

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It's a big holiday.

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Guess what?

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You have access to your building's rooftop, and you're near the front of the Boston Marathon,

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the start of the Boston Marathon.

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Would you and I say go up there, have a couple of beers, and watch it?

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What are you asking?

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Anybody could have been on those days.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, no.

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They're just because they're on a roof, just hanging out.

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Also, even the idea of there were authorities up there, that makes sense too.

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Yeah, of course.

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Yeah.

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It doesn't ring to me as suspicious, necessarily.

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And a lot of the stuff that Stevenson is saying in that clip, like if you just listen to it

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through the prism of there was a dog training exercise, where would the places that those

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dogs be?

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They'd obviously be at the beginning and the end of the race, because that's where tons

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of people are.

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No one's at Mile 12 or whatever.

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A lot of people hanging out at Mile 12.

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There might be.

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That's the...

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It's like the Amen Corner of the Boston Marathon.

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So it's still unclear why he's saluting Dan Badandi for doing real journalism.

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Because he's doing real journalism.

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And we find out here.

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We're engaged in real journalism, so I salute Dan Badandi.

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At both press conferences, he got the first questions down, and they just shut the press

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conferences down.

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I mean, they were going to grandstand for an hour.

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You know they were.

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And the press still had more questions, but Badandi was there going, you were running

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a drill.

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You were running a drill.

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Boston Globe, you were running a drill.

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You were running a drill.

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And the governor looked like he was about to have a heart attack and looked so angry.

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And the media is like, the governor was angry that such stupid questions would be asked.

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Of course, there was no drill.

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In fact, it's the media that denies it for them.

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There was no drill.

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There were no police dogs.

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There were nothing.

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It was...

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Everything's fine.

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So I do think this is really interesting how excited he is about Dan Badandi, particularly

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considering, like I said, in the present day, he's really trying to distance himself from

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this dude.

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And I wanted to, like, I went back and I watched a little bit of Alex's Sandy Hook deposition

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video in prep for this episode, because I remember that Badandi comes up in the questioning

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about that day.

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And I think I noticed something really interesting.

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The opposing counsel shows Alex a picture of Dan Badandi, and Alex's first response

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is to get a huge smile across his face and laugh.

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He very quickly realizes that this is a strange response, and he regains his serious composure

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really fast.

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But there's a good 10 seconds where Alex is looking at this picture of Dan Badandi, and

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there's a sense of nostalgia in his smile, a feeling of wistfulness for the days gone

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by, better times when he could make buckets of cash just sending pro wrestler to go yell

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at people and disrupt events.

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I might be reading more into that than I need to, or is appropriate, but his big laugh and

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smile that quickly recedes as he realizes Badandi absolutely did harass the citizens

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of Newtown.

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It's a pretty evocative image for me, that transition of, ha ha, oh yeah, oh.

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Oh, you're why I'm here.

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Fuck, shit.

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Particularly in the context of him congratulating Badandi on this episode for harassing the

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people of Boston, this image is really, it has a meaning to me, whether or not I can

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prove that my reading of it is accurate.

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While Badandi was in Boston doing all the reporting that he's doing that Alex is talking

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about here on this episode, he had an InfoWars microphone that he used for his reports, and

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in at least one video I can find, he has a laminated press pass, which I can't zoom in

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on enough to confirm, but you kind of got to assume he got that through InfoWars.

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He's there in an official capacity, not just as some guy whose video is Alex covered.

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So Alex's big narrative on this episode about Badandi is that he got two press conferences

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shut down by asking the hard questions that the media and the establishment couldn't handle.

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Man, he didn't even describe it like he was asking questions.

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He was literally just saying, I had a guy go in there and say, you had a drill, you

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had a drill, you had a drill, not, did you have a drill?

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He didn't even say did you.

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See, man, damn Badandi brought up false flags and everyone just packed up their shit and

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left.

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They couldn't handle it.

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No, I think it's just like, shut the fuck up, dude.

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So I've read a bunch of articles about Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick's press conference

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which Badandi asked the first question in, but none of them say that the conference ended

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abruptly after his question.

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I found video of it and Badandi asks his rambling, is this a false flag question?

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And Patrick just replies, quote, no, next question.

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The next question that's asked isn't a question that Patrick can answer.

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It's about whether or not there are specific leads or suspects.

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After the question is asked, Patrick steps aside and lets the police representative field

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the question.

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If you edit the footage just right, though, it kind of looks like Patrick is leaving the

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press conference after Badandi asks his question, and that's absolute bullshit.

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Also, it's kind of surreal because as Badandi is prattling on, the camera pans across the

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stage and Elizabeth Warren is there.

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I mean, of course, she was, but it's weird.

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She's a senator from Massachusetts.

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But it's still weird to realize she had to listen to damn Badandi.

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That is kind of weird.

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Yeah.

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That is fun.

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It's surreal now that she's running for president.

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Right, right, right, right.

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You know, like, I strongly suspect that this whole thing is about trying to create the

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perception that the powers that be are afraid of the word's false flag being uttered.

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And saying them in their presence is the equivalent of telling a judge, Dooble Kane.

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It's purely an attempt to convince his audience that all these people have something to hide.

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And that thing is the truth that Alex is disseminating.

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Alex wouldn't do stuff like this if he were making a real argument.

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This is pageantry.

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This is manipulation to trick his audience into accepting a fraudulent version of reality.

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And it's not something you'd accidentally do.

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It's intentional because that press conference didn't end after Badandi's question.

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Of course, he just stepped aside to allow the police commissioner to answer.

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But he's the governor ran away because Badandi is so great.

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You know, maybe the press conference continued, but the governor couldn't handle it.

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Yeah.

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That's why he had his police chief, the fucking enforcer,

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go up there, because the enforcer is not going to.

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If he made that argument, it would be closer to real, but he doesn't.

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He just makes a false, false version of it that ended after Badandi brought the truth.

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So here's another Alex talking about that Family Guy episode.

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And I'm going to play some things that are a little bit repetitive,

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but one of the things I want to nail down in people and really drive home

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is that he's being repetitive because it's intentional,

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like constantly reinforcing the same talking points in order to get this in your head.

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And Family Guy apparently is a big piece of evidence they have.

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Now, up on Infowars.com, the Family Guy, this aired Sunday, first aired back in March,

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where the Boston Marathon is bombed with not one, but two bombs

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by the Family Guy, the Tea Party Guy at the Boston Marathon at the finish with two bombs.

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So it's essential to lie about multiple things about this

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in order to make it fit Alex's narratives.

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He has to be, Peter Griffin has to be a Tea Party guy.

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Yeah.

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In order for him to satisfy his narrative that the media is telling you

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the Tea Party people are going to turn into Islamic terrorists.

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Right.

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That is satisfied by lying about the character.

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He has this fucking crazily edited video in order to prove his,

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the bombing was in the TV show before.

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It's layers of manipulation that he's using this for.

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It is kind of, it is fun always watching how many times he can be wrong in one sentence.

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You know, usually people need a lot more words to be wrong about four or five things.

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Yeah.

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But he can really condense it down into one sentence.

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Alex is a champion of that, if nothing else.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's a talent.

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Yeah.

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You gotta, you gotta give it up to him like the Somali pirates.

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Like the Somali pirates, which he is wrong about.

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So Alex announced earlier that he's going to have Stuart Rhodes of the Oath Keepers on.

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And Alex-

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Stuart, did you do it?

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Alex talks about how maligned the Oath Keepers are.

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And then Stuart Rhodes, who's actually driving on his way to Boston right now,

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for the Oath Keepers event on the 19th, the law enforcement and police,

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military organization that swears to uphold the Bill of Rights and Constitution,

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that they swore an oath to, how incredibly evil that the media has been demonizing

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and claiming might be involved in terrorism.

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How do you guys feel about the emoluments clause?

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With no evidence they're accused of that.

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Also, spoiler alert, Stuart Rhodes never shows up on the show.

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Oh really?

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Yeah, which is a relief.

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Yeah.

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But hey man, no evidence. Need I remind Alex of Matthew Fairfield,

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the Cleveland Oath Keeper who was arrested in April 2010

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when police found a napalm bomb in his house?

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Or what about Charles Dyer, who was arrested on suspicion of sexually assaulting a seven-year-old

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and was found to be in possession of a fucking grenade launcher?

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There's plenty of evidence that the Oath Keepers are,

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they're not just some troop of do-gooders out there trying to uphold the Constitution.

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Absolutely not.

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Now maybe some of them are, certainly, you know, just these actions of these couple people

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isn't demonstrative of everybody in the group,

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but their ranks definitely have included people who seem to have been plotting

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or actually doing some horrible shit.

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And Alex turns a blind eye to that.

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Hey, no, that's no big deal.

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That's lone actors.

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They're actually plants.

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The FBI put them in the Oath Keepers to demonize the Oath Keepers

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because that's how they do it.

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I'm sure Alex would say that if the push came to shove.

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100%.

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So earlier in the episode, he said, you know, the media is all saying that its right-wingers

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are to blame.

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You know, they're pointing the finger at the Tea Party libertarians.

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You've seen all the clips.

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All of them.

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And so at that point, I didn't have much to go on.

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But at this point, he starts laying out a couple of specifics.

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And now we get to see how well he is doing reinforcing premise two,

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that the media is blaming the right-wingers.

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His first one, I regret to inform you, is weak.

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CNN National Security Analyst.

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Now, see, I'm a kook for saying this.

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But one hour later, CNN National Security Analyst warns of right-wing extremists behind

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Boston bombings.

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Boom.

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And we have a video clip of that we're going to in a minute.

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So he's referring to here an interview on CNN that Jake Tapper did with security analyst

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Peter Burgin.

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Allow me to read to you from a Mediaite article that Alex has referenced.

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Quote, CNN National Security Analyst Peter Burgin told host Jake Tapper on Monday that

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the explosions in Boston could be the work of al-Qaeda terrorists as much as they could

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have been a planned assault by right-wing extremists.

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That is not blaming right-wing extremists.

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That is saying that either of those sorts of terrorism were possibilities and the situation

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is still unfolding legitimately.

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Listen to this.

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Quote, Burgin said that hydrogen peroxide, a hydrogen peroxide device would signal that

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foreign-based terrorist groups are behind the attack.

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However, if there was another explosive used that may signal right-wing terrorists were

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involved.

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Quote, we've seen a number of failed bombing attempts by al-Qaeda, Burgin cautioned.

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But we've also seen other extremist groups, right-wing groups trying to attack, for instance,

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trying to attack the Martin Luther King parade in Oregon in 2010.

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He said that he thinks that hydrogen peroxide bomb was more likely used here, signaling

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that Burgin believes that foreign-based terror groups are likely or are more likely behind

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this.

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Yeah.

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So even this article and this interview that the CNN analyst said, based on what he believes

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the bomb to be, he believes that foreign actors are more likely.

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Right.

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So this does not work.

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Yeah.

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And I thought I just had that I have pointed that I've like.

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Like, aren't they both right-wing terror?

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It's debatable.

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You know what I'm saying?

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I understand what you're saying, but.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Like the government that ISIS set up wouldn't be considered a liberal safe haven.

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I see the point you're making, but they do mean different things.

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I know they mean different things, but they mean more the same thing than they do different

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things.

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File this.

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You know what I mean?

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File this under the heading of they have more in common than.

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Yeah, that's that's what I was thinking.

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But that actual article that Alex is talking about there, which he's presenting as the

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media blaming the Patriots and the Tea Party, comes to the conclusion that foreign-based

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terror groups are more likely behind the attack than right-wingers.

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His source literally and completely contradicts his narratives, but it doesn't matter.

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Bergen entertained the possibility that Alex's militia weirdo buddies might be suspects,

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and any insinuation that right-wing terrorism exists is really just a plot to demonize the

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good guy Patriots in an attempt to start a civil war or something.

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Yeah, it doesn't matter if he's blaming the Boston bombing on right-wing terrorism.

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He's mentioning that right-wing terrorism exists, and that's more than enough for him

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to be like, well, maybe he's not blaming you for this one, but he's setting you up to say

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that the right wing is doing the next one.

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That whole thing.

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Yeah, and it makes me kind of think that there's a possibility that Alex himself believes that

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right-wing terrorists might be behind it, and that there's a feeling that part of his

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motivation might be preemptive damage control.

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He's really pushing it hard.

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If they do arrest someone who's, I don't know, part of a three percenter group or whatever,

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some militia extremist group, or even somebody who was a part of that group but the group

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itself wasn't involved, just went on his own, this has a real utility in terms of preemptive

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damage control.

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Right.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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My worldview was not involved.

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This is fake.

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They're blaming it on us.

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Right.

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You get the sense when you start to look at these things and you see like, those don't

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say what you say they're saying.

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Why are you doing that?

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Yeah.

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And I can't really tell you the why.

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I have some thoughts.

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Preemptive damage control is a possibility.

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Financial motivation is certainly a possibility.

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Just making himself seem right is a possibility.

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Wow, yeah, that's always important.

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Which also dovetails with financial interests.

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Yeah, yeah.

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There's a number of possibilities and without knowing his own brain, I couldn't tell you,

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but it really does feel like there's at least, there's a non-zero chance that Alex probably

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thinks that it could be a right-winger.

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Right.

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Or there's a non-zero chance that he thinks it might have been a good idea for a right-winger

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to commit a terrorist act like that.

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Well, we're gonna hear later a clip of Alex saying what kind of terrorist attack a right-winger

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should commit.

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There we go, that's what it was.

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And it's pretty fucked up.

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There we go.

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So anyway, Alex has another headline to establish his case.

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Boston Marathon, the initial theories, London Independent, they predict it's right-wing

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extremists.

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Boom, I'm right again.

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Boom.

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So this article in The Independent is just explaining why some people have theorized

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on Twitter and online that the bombing was either Islamic or right-wing terrorism.

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It doesn't say that it's either, it's really just what you might call an explainer.

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For possibly non-U.S. readers of the dynamics involved that have led some people to think

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one of the two groups could be behind the attack.

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On the right-wing side, they point out that it was the anniversary of the Waco standoff

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as well as Patriots Day and Tax Day.

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On the Islamic side, they also point out that it's the 65th anniversary of the independence

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of Israel.

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So that date also holds significance for groups all over the place.

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Honestly, a fair reading of this article would lead you to think that they were making the

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point that Islamic terror is more likely.

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The part about the possibility of right-wing groups being behind the attack is just informational.

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It's just a list of facts, like this date means this, whereas the part of the possibility

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that it was Islamic terrorism includes an interview with a professor of security studies

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from King's College and references to someone at the Boston Globe speculating that it was

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Islamic terrorism.

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There's a bit more weight behind the section about that than the right-wing possibility.

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Alex, again, I sound like a broken record, but this article is not blaming right-wing

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extremists at all.

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But again, to Alex, anyone pointing out that right-wing extremist groups exist, that in

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and of itself is basically a crime.

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And that's basically all I can see going on here.

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So you got another article.

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Irish Examiner, right-wing.

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Expert says right-wing terrorists most likely have bombed Boston.

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That's how you demonize your political opposition.

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You bomb stuff, blame it on them.

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Can't beat them fair and square, stage a bombing, blame them.

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So that is an Irish Examiner article.

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This is as close to fair as Alex is going to get, and it's still a long way from being

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what you might call good work.

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The Examiner headline is, quote, FBI following up on a variety of leads to Boston bombing.

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And then it discusses some of those leads.

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They reference a counterterrorism expert named Richard Barrett, who says that, quote, the

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incident had hints of a right-wing attack.

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But he also says, quote, it was too early to say who was to blame for the marathon blasts.

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The article isn't about who did the attack, really, or even pointing blame.

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It's about how the FBI is getting a ton of tips and working through them.

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In as much as the article does contain an expert saying it was too early to say who

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did it, but he suspects it could be right-wing extremists, fine.

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If Alex wants to base this conspiracy of patriot demonization on a bunch of shit he's lying

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about in an article in the Irish Examiner, he's more than welcome to.

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But I will say, this is thin fucking broth.

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Yeah.

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And also, the problem I have with it the most is that every expert, that everybody, every

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reporter that went for a quote, every one of them is looking for you to speculate.

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Every single one of them wants you, doesn't matter if you have proof, doesn't matter,

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they want that for the article.

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Because you need it.

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Because it's going to be so much better for your article than writing another article,

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still don't know what's going on.

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You want an article that says this, such and such expert, and then whenever they tell you,

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well, it could be this or it could be that, then you say, well, exactly.

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Even in the absence of information for too long, even professionals will resort to tactics

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that are unc cautionable.

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Absolutely.

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Of course.

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I think that's kind of a bit of-

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I mean, you still got to, again, you can't write the same story three days in a row,

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still no idea what's going on.

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It, diminishing returns come from that.

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So Alex has some more headlines, and I have bad news about these headlines.

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CNN national security analyst warns of right-wing extremists behind Boston bombings.

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Town Hall, boom, Breitbart, same headline.

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Town Hall.

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So that Town Hall, boom, Breitbart, all of that is the same thing from that Mediaite

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article, where the guy said that based on the hydrogen peroxide bomb that I believe

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it to be, foreign terror is more likely.

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So he's used that three times in this list of articles.

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They all are about the same interview with Jake Tapper on CNN.

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This is how he does this.

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This is how he creates the illusion of there being tons of people saying that the Patriots

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are to blame, when three, three are the same source that doesn't say that.

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That is why the right-wing's media sphere is so powerful.

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They're so good at that.

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They created this, I mean, monolithic, unstoppable force of reinforcement, just because they

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can always create that feedback loop.

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One guy on CNN says something one time, Town Hall, fucking Fox News, Breitbart, fucking

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name it, they'll all write a story about it, and then they'll all reference how so many

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people are writing stories that it must be a bunch of different things going on.

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It's brilliant and evil and going to end the world, but you got to give it up to the Somali

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Pirates on that one.

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Sure.

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And all of this is to reinforce premise two in the argument.

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That's all this is doing.

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And I know that I probably sound like I'm making too big of a point of the construction

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of this argument, but it's how Alex set things up in the immediate minutes and maybe like

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half hour after News of the Bomb broke.

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He established it almost as a thesis, and in this next clip, he reiterates it after

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he's already done this manipulative, disingenuous work to establish premise two.

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He now gets back to trying to reframe the argument now that he has the second premise

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with him.

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Now, ladies and gentlemen, they are setting up to have these all over the country.

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If we accept this, get into the fear, the media is hyping it, this is the whole paradigm

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shift to go into total martial law to stop the Tea Party bombing everybody and to get

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Republicans to apologize for what the Tea Party's done.

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If they blame it on the Tea Party and Republicans apologize, it's over.

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Total communist takeover run by foreign offshore banks.

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So now you see how this works.

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He feels like he's established that premise, so he changes the argument.

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Now it's about if they blame the Patriots, which he feels like he's established.

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So that is there.

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If they do that and we don't we allow it to happen, we accept it, we don't fight it.

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Yeah, then it's all over.

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So now you've shifted things.

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You've created the presentation that your first argument was right.

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You move it to now we fight this.

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Yeah, that's how this works.

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This is the moving of the intention.

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Yeah, well, the other thing, though, is he added another caveat that the Republicans

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have to also apologize for the Tea Party.

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Well, see now that I find to be illuminating that he doesn't.

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His his framing of it is an if then.

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And of course, the solution that we're going for is don't apologize for white terrorism

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and start a civil war or whatever, you know, more or less.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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But he doesn't actually want a civil war.

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No.

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So every time he believes he's proven an argument, he's going to have to add another

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little caveat so people don't actually follow through with the whole civil war.

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Obviously.

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And it sort of indicates exactly what the goal he wants exactly when he shifts this

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narrative or this argument from its original form to now, including the right wing and

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the GOP, not apologizing for the Tea Party.

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Right.

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What he's more saying is I want my weirdo extremist friends to be more ascendant within

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the GOP.

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Yeah, I want them to be accepted.

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And if they are not accepted and they allow this demonization that I'm imagining is happening

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right to stand, then it's all over.

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I mean, it's and it's so similar to the way the way he treats the NRA or the way the NRA

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works in the GOP as well, where it's like, don't give an inch, don't give an inch, not

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one single inch in the same way inches.

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Well, well, yeah.

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But I mean, the point being that no GOP or not one can come out and say that a white

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person is capable of evil.

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No one, not one of them.

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They could in 2013, probably.

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But not for Alex.

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Right.

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Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

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Because for them, that's going to be his like his new litmus test.

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And that's blaming the right wingers.

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Exactly.

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For anything.

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Right.

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It does.

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It does track like that.

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Right.

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And you see that in the way that this is sort of shifting a little bit.

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Right.

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So in this next clip, Alex has started taking calls.

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Oh, good.

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That's what I want to hear.

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I want to hear info warriors response to the Boston bombing.

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Thank God.

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As you'll recall, he wanted critical info.

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Yeah.

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Critical intel.

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Crowdsource lies.

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So here's the first bit of that.

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Let's go to Eddie in Texas, says his friend is a fed, has intel.

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Eddie, you're on the air.

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Go ahead.

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Hey, Alex.

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Yeah, I was just sitting here and a buddy of mine.

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He's a he is a federal job.

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And he told me, I got to stop by your shop.

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And I said, sure, why not?

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So he comes over here and he tells me, you know, we talk about the bombing and whatnot.

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And then he tells me, OK, there's reasons I can't give you.

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But I feel bad if I didn't give you a warning.

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Buy as much ammo as you can.

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The only thing I can tell you is buy as much ammo as you can.

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His friend in the Pentagon is not he will not give me any critical information as to

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why, but he just told me buy as much ammo as you can.

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Double it.

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I don't care if you have to if you have 21 shotguns or whatever, you double that by the

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end of the month.

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Wow.

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So you talked to your source and he said his friend at the Pentagon just said, get as much

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ammo as you can.

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That's exactly what he said.

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And I told him, did they declare martial law in in Boston?

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He said, no, they declared a state of emergency different.

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And I said, well, you know, I heard different things.

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And he said, all I'm going to tell you and all I'm authorized to tell you is the same

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thing I've been telling you.

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Buy more ammo.

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Which is something that Alex has been saying on his show for a really long time, which

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is suspicious.

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I would say that this caller who has a friend who heard from somebody else is repeating

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thirdhand information, and no matter what he said is hearsay, there is no use for this

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being aired on the show.

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There is no use for this to be treated as credible information.

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Sure.

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And especially when the message of it is like stash weaponry.

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Yeah.

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Like when that is the message that is coming from this lacking credibility source, all

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you're doing is scaring people.

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All you're doing is creating the perception that inevitably, really soon, war with the

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government is breaking out.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And the Pentagon is the the root of this phone tree, as it were.

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And so that's the army.

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The army is going to be against you.

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So get fucking ammo.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it could also just be like the price of ammo is going to go up soon.

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You know, gold going down about seven percent.

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You know, you figure ammo is going to go up.

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Spend a little money on ammo.

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Put it aside.

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I feel like this is slightly differently.

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I'm going to go with invest in ammo, my friend.

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All right.

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Well, that is the most generous reading of this.

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So that's one source that we got.

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Alex goes back to the calls and he gets another source who I think is crazy.

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I'm going to tell you exactly what's happening.

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Martial art is coming in a couple of days.

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Sure.

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The next thing is in the video.

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I should be really clear.

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This caller identified himself as a member of the Marines and that he has high level

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information.

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So it's not just someone talking.

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He's presenting this as like actual intel.

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Is there a reason he sounds a little bit like Larry Nichols?

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It's not.

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It's not raspy enough.

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Two seconds before the blast.

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Uh, and Intel, uh, the lady with the black shirt, black shorts.

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She's the last one to cross the finish line before the bombs goes off.

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She did it.

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The four, uh, first letters are 1979.

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He did it as very important as Billy Corgan.

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Every historical event in 1979 leaves up to what has started in January and leaves up

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to December.

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Uh, Margaret Thatcher, uh, she became, uh, prime minister in 79, uh, Ron, uh, uh, with

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the hostages in 1979.

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Also, uh, you have in 1979.

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Hold on, stay there.

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Joel Scouser's coming up.

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I don't want you to be able to finish.

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All right.

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Uh, sir, sir, excuse me.

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Uh, first off, thank you for the service.

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Second, get the fuck out of here.

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Click.

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Third of all, you make sense.

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Couple points.

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Uh, the person, uh, this guy's referring to in that video with the black shirt, black

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shorts.

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That's not a woman.

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That is a bald man.

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Well, it is a bald woman.

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No, it's not.

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You can tell it's a dude.

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Uh, while it is true that 1979 was on this, uh, racing identification number, the actual

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number is one nine seven nine three.

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If you're going to just take 1979 out of that, why not, uh, 97 93?

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Maybe that's the year globalists are finally going to unmask.

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Now, come on, that's the flight number of the globalists who flew in 1979.

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But I mean, really, this is the kind of thing that Alex is going to let slide on his show

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the day after the bombing.

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Sure.

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A caller claims he's in the Marines and has important info and it's that this person's

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number is 1979 and it has something to do with Margaret Thatcher and the Iranian hostage

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crisis.

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Yeah.

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What the fuck is he even doing?

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Uh, great journalism.

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This dude legitimately might be, might as well be pointing out that Joe Jackson put

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out his best two albums, Look Sharp and I'm the Man in 1979.

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Okay.

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You might as well be telling Alex that Apocalypse Now came out in 1979.

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Or how about how the Happy Meal was launched in 1979?

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Oh shit, the Happy Meal was launched?

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See, you're convincing me he's right.

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You're not convincing me he's wrong.

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Or what about the fact that Pope John Paul II visited the US in 1979, specifically arriving

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in Boston?

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No shit.

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Dan, you fucking cracked this case.

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Drew Brees was born.

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Joseph Mengele died.

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None of this stuff matters.

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This show sucks.

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This is the stupidest fucking bullshit.

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That is unreal.

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Why didn't Alex cut this guy off?

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I don't know.

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But you know what?

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It hits the commercial and he's like, I want to let you finish.

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And you thought that that meant he's going to hang up on this guy.

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It does not.

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No.

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He goes back to him.

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That can't be real.

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Here's how this goes when he gets back.

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Stop it.

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So real briefly, cut to the chase there, Dave.

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Is this something you speculate on, on the messages they like to leave calling cards

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like the Ace of Spades?

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Or is this intel you're getting from your sources in the Marine Corps?

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This is intel that we get from the Marine Corps.

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This is a domestic false flag.

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It's not international.

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The building did not blow up.

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That would have been international.

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This is all domestic.

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This is the false flag.

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There is one more event that's going to take place.

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It's domestic.

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And I'll send you an email, but I can't talk more.

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But you're being told by what area of the Marine Corps are you in?

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Good question.

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I can't tell you.

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Well, I mean, specifically, though, you know, sometimes they tell you guys stuff that is

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going to happen, but it really doesn't.

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But you're being told that within days there's going to be an event that triggers martial

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law?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Good work.

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I just watched the price of oil.

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Also, a certain embassy.

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Well, I noticed that gold imploded yesterday.

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The stock market went down big time and then all this started big things afoot with Iran,

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big things afoot with North Korea.

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A very bizarre time.

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Thank you so much for the call, sir.

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God bless you.

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That caller sounds very credible.

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Sounds very credible.

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1979 credible is incredible.

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That guy sounds so credible, Dad.

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Right.

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So a little numerology on us.

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I think that this is actually like a really good gamble to make if you're someone who's

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just spreading bullshit.

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And that is that there will be another event within a couple of days because you've got

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to assume it's now the next day.

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They have no real leads of who did this.

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There's got to be a manhunt.

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Yeah, because you've got to assume that if this person was part of a terrorist organization,

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there's a chance there will be another bombing.

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Of course.

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And that could be what you're referring to here.

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Or there's a manhunt that's going to have to go on.

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And that could get pretty fucking scary for a little bit.

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So whatever, you know, whatever vague nonsense he's talking about, it's a really good gamble

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to say within a couple of days there will be another event.

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Yeah.

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Makes total sense.

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Doesn't prove any kind of intel.

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Yeah, now Alex says that he sounds credible.

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Immediately, Alex gets on a phone with Joel Skousen, who also sounds credible.

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Sure.

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Skousen comes in and he is like, I listened to that last caller and I don't think he knows

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what he's talking about.

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Good.

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The Marines don't like that information wouldn't flow down.

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I was I literally wrote that down.

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Yeah.

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I was like, fuck off.

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What are you a fucking five star general?

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What are you talking about?

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Skousen's like, that's not the kind of lead you would expect to hear.

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Keep it.

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And Alex immediately turns on all his callers.

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He immediately is like, oh, these people are trolling.

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Like, whereas you heard it right there.

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His immediate reaction is this guy sounds credible.

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So credible.

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Because Skousen, you know, insulted him, Alex is like, no, none of these people make sense.

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Jesus Christ.

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So anyway, fuck Skousen.

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But here's his take on it immediately.

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Joel Skousen, I think this is just the beginning of something bigger.

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Well, Alex, the it has all of the hallmarks of a government false flag operation.

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The first and foremost one is they always pick high profile events.

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Good, good analysis.

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It has all the hallmarks of a thing that I am basically inventing, which means I get

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to tell you what all the hallmarks of that thing are.

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So there you go.

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Yeah.

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So I mean, his take on it as is sort of tradition with Joel Skousen is false flag.

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False flag.

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He's he's on board.

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He's helping Alex build up a false flag.

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He's helping Alex build up this narrative.

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The rest of his interview is pointless.

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So who gives a shit?

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I'm amazed that false flag doesn't have diminishing returns on it.

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They does to me.

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Well, yeah, of course it does to us, but they keep on trotting it out.

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Yeah.

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They you think everything is a false flag.

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You could almost make a pretty cogent argument that people constantly calling things false

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flags only allows the government more easily to commit a false flag.

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That's a good crying wolf all the time.

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Exactly. Somebody who is aware of that and wanted to pull false flags would certainly

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pay someone to say everything is a false flag to make it cheap.

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Right.

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I'm not saying that's the case, but a conspiracy theory might point the finger at Alex and

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say that's what he's doing.

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Right.

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Well, in the same way that if I were like, this would be a great time for Iran to attack

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somebody because fucking Trump says everything is done by Iran.

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Why would I believe anything that Pompeo says about what Iran does?

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You know, like you guys are fucking lying so much they can get away with it because

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you're giant fucking liars.

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So Alex is talking about this being a false flag.

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Like I said, he's totally decided this already is.

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And he compares false flags to the human sacrifices of the days of yore.

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Sure.

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Old civilizations would commit human sacrifices, whereas globalists use false flags.

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And Alex says something like just he has a flight of fancy that I just find disgusting.

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Of course, it's their whole business.

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It's a human sacrifice.

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Our ancestors used to sacrifice people, believing it made the harvest be better.

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And now they just blow stuff up.

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And, you know, I would imagine they're like, here, Sonny, sit on my duffel bag for me.

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OK, Mr.

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You know, so they can kill the little kid and use them all over the nose.

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I mean, they're just of course, they want to kill you with vaccines anyways.

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Why not kill you now?

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So we'll get everybody's take on that.

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And again, I've been trying to get Dan Badani on, but his Skype's been up and down.

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I'll tell you my my take on that.

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Go fuck yourself.

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A child did die like he's not just making up some abstract possibility.

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He's imagining a cop telling that kid who specifically did die in this bombing to sit

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on a duffel bag in order to kill them so they can use him for publicity.

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Yeah, that's what Alex is fantasizing about.

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I imagine this is what they do.

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That's fucking insanely disrespectful to the parents, to the child, to everyone.

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This is disgusting shit.

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He should be deeply ashamed of himself.

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This is not how like this isn't asking questions.

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This isn't journalism.

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This isn't exposing truth.

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This is all this is a monstrous person hurting people more.

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Like there's no there's no value to this.

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It's disgusting.

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I don't know how to put it any more concretely, but like this is why this stuff infuriates

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me more than I expect it to because you hear shit like that.

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And that's not the only time he uses this flight of fancy.

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He gets into it a couple more times.

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Like it's gross.

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It's just sick.

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So Alex goes to his next guest.

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Okay.

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A guy named Doug Hagman.

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Real winner.

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Doug Hagman.

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Not the Hagman.

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From the Hagman and Hagman report.

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I believe I referred to him as Hag-Dugman.

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Yes, something like that.

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That's my moniker for him.

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He's in present day, he has a poorly rated YouTube show where he pretends to know things

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and often interviews coach Dave Dobenmeyer.

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Love it.

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So he's doing good.

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Does he have like 30 little screen in screens on there?

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I think he also has Laura Loomer on.

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Great.

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Even after she handcuffed herself to Twitter.

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Oh, but she won.

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She did win.

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Yeah.

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So he has Doug Hagman on and in this intro that he's given for him, we get a little glimpse

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at somebody who should also be ashamed of themselves for enabling Alex's bullshit.

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We're going to go to Doug Hagman of the Northeast Intelligence Network who did a great job on

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Coast to Coast AM last night breaking all this down.

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I'll be on for the full show tonight.

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Alex, the day after the Boston bombing, after he's been saying all this horrible shit,

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Coast to Coast is having him on for the entire show.

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George Norrie, everyone who works at Coast to Coast AM, apologize.

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Go fuck yourself and apologize.

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You're complicit in this.

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I don't think they will.

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No, I don't think they will either.

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I don't think they will, Dan.

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No.

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I think we should send them an email, but I don't think they'll reply back.

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I sternly worded out, but we should also put in the subject line, I saw a ghost.

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Then maybe they'll read it.

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Listen, I love you guys.

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I love everything that you've done.

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Apologize you pieces of shit for this ghost, but also for Alex.

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Right.

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This is one of the reasons and one of the things about like that show is so fun and

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fanciful with all of its paranormal talk, but it has a dangerous place that it also

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occupies.

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Yeah.

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And it's by mainstreaming, by platforming, by helping disseminate the messages of someone

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like Alex Jones the day after the Boston bombing, when all of his rhetoric is counterfeit.

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All of it is bullshit.

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Who are primed to disbelieve any mainstream narrative and every alternative narrative.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, so Alex presents his most compelling evidence to Doug Hagman here.

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Yes.

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I want to say in fairness to Alex, which isn't even in fairness to him, like he does constantly

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evoke past acts like the 7-7 bombing and Oklahoma City and the Aurora shooting.

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And a lot of that is evidence in quotes that he's presenting to reinforce his arguments,

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but a lot of it's stuff we've gone over in the past or it would require way too much

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time to get into.

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But I discount a lot of that because I think that's the forest for the trees kind of stuff.

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But I know that if Alex were to listen to this, he'd be like, they don't even bring

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up that I talked about 7-7.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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And I don't because it's bullshit.

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Yeah.

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Here's my response to that criticism.

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Go fuck yourself, Alex.

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Sure.

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So even so, like, you know, if you were to present Doug Hagman his most compelling argument,

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you'd expect it to be his most compelling argument.

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And this is what he's got.

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But Doug, the most devastating evidence is that Rob Dew, my news director, constantly

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argues with his defense intelligence brother-in-law, who is actually pretty high up in it.

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And he's on the Army Marathon team and he can run 24 miles in his sleep.

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He was running.

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He was pretty much fine.

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And they came over and said, you're dehydrated.

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We're pulling you out because he was up towards the front, coming up to the finish line right

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before all this happened.

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So that's his most devastating evidence is hearsay about Rob Dew's brother-in-law that

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he's clearly sort of writing his own little embellishments on.

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Yeah, that's all you need.

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Have we confirmed in any way that the brother said that he wasn't experiencing any symptoms?

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He's Dew throat.

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Sure.

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He's taking down the whole machine.

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Such horseshit.

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Yeah.

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That's your most damning evidence.

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That's what he's got.

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That means you've got nothing.

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Damning evidence.

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You have nothing.

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Well, let's get him on the show.

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You can't.

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Oh, see, now that doesn't help.

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No.

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Well, it does help because you just get to show whatever the fuck you want.

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Sure does.

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Yeah.

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For devastating evidence.

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And I assume that if Rob Dew had been able to get a hold of his brother and there were

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more details that help Alex's case-

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Absolutely no chance Dew's brother is gonna-

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Rob Dew would have been on the show on the 16th.

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He would have been laying it all out.

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Alex would have even more details.

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Instead, it's the same basic story he told on the 15th just now.

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Like, you know, he wasn't...

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He was fine.

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You know, he's a horse.

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They pulled him out.

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There have to be so many times where Rob Dew's brother-in-law is just like, even...

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Look, I get it, man, but fucking keep my name out of your mouth.

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I don't want to be any part of this.

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Like, that would suck so bad.

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Yeah.

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If it's like, oh no, my sister's husband is an info warrior?

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Yeah.

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Fuck.

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And Alex also brings up that Rob Dew used to be in a band with the guy who flew his

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plane into the IRS building in Austin.

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I'm like, Rob Dew might be way more fucked up-

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Rob Dew is fucking out of here!

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Jesus.

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I don't even know if that's true, but Alex says it.

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I'm like, all right.

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All right, so Doug Hagman says something that I think, if there's anything to take away

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from this episode, I think it's this mentality that Doug Hagman is expressing.

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I think it's such bullshit.

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You know, with all of the accusations of saying, well, you can't really say this is a false

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flag attack or you can't really conclude anything.

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While that might be a true statement today-

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What?

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You know, are we wrong to be a little bit jaded or a little bit gun shy about what we're

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seeing here with respect to this incident?

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I wish I had like an air horn to emphasize me telling you to fuck yourself.

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Yeah, no shit.

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That's the biggest fucking loser cop out I've ever heard in my life.

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What he's saying is, sure, we don't have any idea what we're talking about, but come on,

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we should be able to jump to conclusions because we've built up a worldview that makes that

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okay.

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Oh, that is so fucking infuriating.

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That's all Doug Hagman is saying, and it's disqualifying.

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Uh, that's, that's, yeah.

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That's when you stop talking to somebody.

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You know why that's so unacceptable?

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It's because this is presented as a news show.

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Yeah.

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Alex pretends he has high level sources, and one of them is Doug fucking Hagman.

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These two dipshits are sitting on this show that pretends the self to be like, they don't

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present this show as like, it's just commentary based.

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It's just one man's opinion.

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They do not present it that way.

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When they spread their shit, they have an expectation that their audience believes

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them.

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So they have a responsibility to not fall back on excuses like, how can we not just

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assume the bombing was the government was a government plot to make our friends look

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bad when it feels like that to me.

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Jesus Christ.

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When, when, like, when you're someone like me, uh, and you listen to hours and hours

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of this bullshit, there's a lot of really maddening things that get expressed.

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And this is right up there in the upper echelons.

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Doug Hagman runs a website called the Northeast Intelligence Network.

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It's not that we said it cause we're jaded network.

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It's an intelligence network reflecting the bullshit notion that he's working off intelligence.

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I'm probably overly pissed off about this, but it's just such a clear moment that demonstrates

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how aware these people are that they're running a con.

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Yep.

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He's saying like, yes, these people are right to criticize us for saying that it's a false

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flag.

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We do not know that, but we're jaded.

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I don't, I don't, I was at your argument then that we're jaded and see how many people buy

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it.

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I would say, I would even say the other direction of, of like, they're, they're criticizing

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us.

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Uh, but they shouldn't be because we've earned the right to be this jaded because they should

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look, you may be right that we're wrong, but you shouldn't say that we were thinking bad

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about it.

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We were hurts our feelings.

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We went about it the right way, according to the ways that we've made up that don't

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make any sense.

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Again, because it hurts our feelings.

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Exactly.

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It's fucking pathetic.

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It is.

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They're a bunch of triggered little snowflakes.

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Right.

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And I would wish ill on Doug Hagman, but he does a show where he has to talk to fucking

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Coach Dean.

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So I think he's gotten his comeuppance already.

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Um, so I told you earlier that Alex would say what a sort of terrorist attack, uh, a

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right-wing or a tea party or would do.

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Right.

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And listen to this fucking clip and consider this is the day after the Boston bombing.

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Listen to the way Alex is behaving.

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There's no real tea party person that would blow up people at that.

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They'd attack the UN or something.

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We'll be right back.

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Why does nobody ever do that?

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By the way, we'll be right back.

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What?

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What the fuck?

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Why doesn't anyone ever blow up the UN building?

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Uh, oh boy.

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I think a very few reasons.

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I think a very ungenerous but not totally unreasonable reading of that is, Hey, I wish

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they had blown up the UN instead of the Boston bomb.

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Now a true right-winger would go and blow up the UN building.

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Jesus Christ.

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Now that's not necessarily directing your listeners to go put a bomb at the UN building,

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but it's definitely not not.

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Well, I mean, it is saying that if you blow up the UN, you're a true right-winger.

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And wondering why someone hasn't done it already.

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Frankly, I think that's the only litmus test for whether or not you're a true right-winger.

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Jesus Christ.

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That's, I think that's bad.

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I think that's bad.

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I got to say, Jordan, we don't often see eye to eye, but I'm with you on that.

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I think that one's bad.

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Yeah.

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So Hagman gets down to his high level sources that he has and tells the people what to expect.

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Again, based on my source, I think the most important, if I can say nothing else,

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today for today's broadcast is expect more and look at these as diversions.

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And that's pretty frightening as far as I'm concerned.

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Well said.

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Okay.

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Well said.

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Uh, sure.

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Diversions from what?

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To do what?

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What should you be looking out for?

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If that's diverting you from what?

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Why are you talking?

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Who cares?

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It's vague enough that you can make it mean whatever it needs to mean to you.

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And I get to pretend I have high level sources.

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Shut the fuck up.

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It's a fun game for everyone to play because they're jaded.

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Yeah.

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Go to therapy.

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Like, seriously.

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No, you have to pay people to go to therapy.

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Not much.

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In this way, they pay you to be even crazier.

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Go to a fucking doctorate student or whatever.

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Go to a clinic.

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Just stop doing this to people.

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You're hurting people.

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No shit.

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You're killing people.

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Anyway, in this next clip, Alex suggests that maybe it was real terrorists,

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but if they're terrorists, they have to be Mexicans.

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What?

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You don't get to do that.

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It might be real.

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It might be real terrorists that came over from Mexico.

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They would cover it up and find some patriot to blame.

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Oh, exactly.

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It's almost as if the facts don't matter.

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It's almost like the facts don't matter.

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Exactly?

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You're gonna say to that statement, maybe the terrorists came from Mexico

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and they covered it up, you're gonna say...

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In order to blame patriots.

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You're gonna say, exactly.

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Well, and then Doug Hagman says, and it's like the facts don't matter.

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I agree with him based on everything we've heard in the last about three hours of the show.

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The facts do not matter.

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They do not matter.

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100% do not matter.

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So I told you earlier that Skousen said that Alex's caller sounds like someone making stuff up,

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and Alex turned heel on his listeners and was like,

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oh, some of these calls are clearly people fucking with us, you know, that sort of thing.

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Yeah.

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So now Alex gets into the idea that there's misinformation being spread online,

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because that's the only place that a lot of stuff is getting theorized

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and posted as if it's real.

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Sure.

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So I think, if I had to guess, I would say that this is an attempt for Alex to claim

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authority in that space.

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By critiquing some of the theories that he hasn't disseminated,

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he will be able to elevate his own theories above the muck.

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I think that there's some bit of intention there.

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That makes sense.

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You can't really prove it, but it feels like that's what he's doing.

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But either way, he chooses a post on Reddit that he's decided is a troll post.

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And this is amazing.

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They don't want us upfront addressing the information.

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I've never seen trolls going this wild on this many fronts.

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I've never seen anything like it in my life.

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And this is the type of stuff getting posted up to Reddit.

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So that's the introduction.

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And now he gets to reading the article and listen to what happens to him as he reads this post.

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They're going to pin this event on a male, late teens to early 20s.

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And I'd say he did it because he's unstable.

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And say he did it.

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He wouldn't say that.

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And they say he did it because he's unstable.

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They're going to find firearms in an NRA book in his home.

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They're going to say he used reloading powder.

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Yeah, I was thinking that too to then ban that for the explosion.

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And that reloading powder shouldn't be for sale to the public.

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Absolutely.

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That shuts down reloading.

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It's about going after the bullets.

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He starts agreeing.

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I thought he was saying that it was a troll post.

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He did.

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That's how he set this up.

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He starts reading it.

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He's finds himself agreeing with the troll post that he is already indicating as like,

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this is the sort of shit that's getting posted.

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Well, actually I got, you know, that's what I was thinking too.

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It's insane.

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It's, it's, it's too, you can't, it's parody.

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It's him looking into a fucking mirror and being like, look at this idiot.

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Well, this guy is a handsome fucking man.

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Yeah.

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Jesus.

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So Alex at the, uh, this is the last clip of Alex, uh, on the 16th.

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Cause he leaves a half hour early.

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He does three and a half hours.

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And then David Knight, Jakari Jackson and new hire Leeann McAdoo take over for the next

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hours of the show.

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Um, but this last clip is, uh, Alex sort of indicating that he doesn't like that, uh,

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people are saying that the right wing or Islamic terrorism, those are the groups that keep

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being brought up as possible.

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Right.

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Folks.

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Cause they're essentially the same thing.

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Well, but other people have also like, there have been a lot of indicators like immediately

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after the bombing, uh, Saudi national was reported to have been arrested.

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Sure.

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Uh, that turned out like he was cleared.

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He wasn't involved at all, but there was a lot of people who were saying it's the Saudis.

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Yeah.

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Like Alex doesn't even bring that up as something that was being covered.

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Well, I mean they did die in 11.

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So Alex has clearly chosen to only hear from sources that are saying it's the right wing

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or a right wing extremists or Islamic terrorists.

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Yeah.

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He is ignoring all other otherwise.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And he's kind of pissed off that dichotomy exists because there's a fucking third option.

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And, and we'll see who they blame it on, but they're already saying right wing al Qaeda,

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right wing, who will it be?

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Right wing or al Qaeda.

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Not, Hey, are the weatherman back to something, you know, it's just this thing to hang it

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out there so they can project it onto whoever they want.

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Yeah.

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Maybe the weatherman got back together.

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Well, I mean, I think his, uh, it's funny to say that he's, he's talking about the literal

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weatherman, which he may be, but I think he's trying to say that it's possible that there's

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an eco terrorist group as well.

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Well, he's talking specifically, I know, but you know, according to all reliable sources,

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no bombing ever carried out by the weatherman was an attack on humans.

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It was always property.

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There are some copycat attacks that were carried out by unaffiliated groups that did kill or

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hurt people, but the right and the right wing types, you know, they're pretty consistent

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in going ahead and blaming the weatherman for those two.

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Well, of course, leaving that aside, even if the Boston bombing was anywhere near the

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M O of the weatherman at the time of the bombing, they hadn't been a group for a full 36 years.

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Yeah.

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Alex Jones was three years old when they disbanded.

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Yeah.

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I was going to say how old was Bill Ayers in, uh, 2013.

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He's gotta be early sixties.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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This would be like if there was a bombing today and you wonder why the media isn't blaming

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the police and I don't mean the cops.

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I mean the band, the police broke up in 1984.

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I mean, Stewart Copeland had some amazing drumming and, uh, there's nothing like a,

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uh, a good high hat staccato to really get you into the bombing mood.

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Sure.

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That's crazy.

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That's why aren't they saying it's the weatherman?

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That's, that's, that's sad.

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Sad spin.

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Oh boy.

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So I do like the idea now though of like, uh, the weatherman aging are, are all like

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old dogs, like Tim Allen.

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And they're like, let's get the band back together for one last ride or whatever.

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Ridiculous.

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So, um, and that's the last clip of Alex from the show, but I had two more clips because

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I want to demonstrate to you that everyone at In Four Wars is complicit.

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Everyone that I can see.

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If you are there and you're witnessing this clear misrepresentation that's going on of

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all these sorts of things and you're allowing this to happen, you don't walk out.

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I don't give a fuck about you anymore.

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You are.

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No, they were just following orders, Dan.

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That defense has always historically been used and been accepted as an okay thing.

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I do not let Leanne McAdoo off the hook that much, but she just started there.

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Right.

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So she might be disoriented and confused and I don't have any clips of her cause I didn't

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listen far enough.

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Maybe she comes in like half an hour later.

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Yeah.

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But Jakari Jackson and David Knight are very clearly conspirators.

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They are on board with this.

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They're spreading the same shit as Alex.

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They are just as guilty.

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Here's a clip of Jakari Jackson talking about evidence that maybe this was fake.

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The Paul Joseph Watson article concerning an episode of Family Guy.

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And we get people who comment and say, why do you guys reference a cartoon or a video

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game or whatever else?

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Now, this particular episode of Family Guy, I believe it's called, was it Cowboys?

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Turban Cowboys.

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Turban Cowboys.

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And in this episode of Family Guy, the father, Peter Griffin is a participant in the Boston

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Marathon and it just so happens that two bombs go off in the marathon.

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So I do believe we have that clip ready to roll with.

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I'm Bob Costas here with Boston Marathon winner, Peter Griffin.

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Peter, how did you do it?

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Damn phone's busted.

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Maybe I dialed wrong.

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So you just saw the clip right there.

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Well, that proves it.

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Heavily edited clip to completely change all of the context.

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Jakari Jackson is passing this off.

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He presents himself as a newsman and didn't even consult the episode.

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Didn't take 20 minutes to watch the episode itself to see if you're spreading this information.

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All you do is take a fucking video that Paul Joseph Watson posted and repeat it as gospel.

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You have every reason to either know that you're shit at your job or you're lying intentionally

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to people to push a narrative and go fuck yourself.

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Well, I would like to add a third possibility.

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What if the weatherman did it?

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Interesting.

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Okay.

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So you're David Knight chiming in there and here's where he gets his go fuck yourself of the day.

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And they talk about turbine cowboy.

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He gets aligned in that episode with an Islamic terrorist, right?

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He's a tea party guy.

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Okay.

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So that all feeds feeds into the narrative that they've been they've been trying to trying

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to get you on because they keep saying that it's going to be your right wing extremist

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even yesterday.

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There are talking points at info wars and it's very clear because one of them is that

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Peter Griffin is a tea party guy.

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Uh, so you see this, you see the repetition, you see these people who are, you know, they're

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doing the job, they're doing the job.

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It's the day after a national trauma, you see these guys and they're falling in line

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and spreading dangerous propaganda.

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And for that, there is no coming back.

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No, you have crossed the Rubicon as it were.

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So we get, you know, we get to the end of this.

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This is a lot and I, uh, I'm glad we made it through as quickly as we did, even though

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this is long.

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Um, I expected it to be much longer, quite frankly.

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A lot of podcasts are like, whoa, good thing we made it through this quick.

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It's only been three and a half hours.

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A lot of people.

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Yeah, it's, uh, but I mean, it's dense.

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There's a lot of material and you see what Alex is doing when you take a second to deconstruct

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it and you take a second to see like, okay, this source doesn't say what he says.

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It says, why is he misrepresenting that?

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It all fits into the same pattern of forming that argument and then once established changing

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the argument to be the, if the GOP turns its back on my extremist friends, then civil war

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is coming.

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Exactly.

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And you see that that's sort of the political radicalization and extreme, uh, uh, pushing

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towards the extreme is kind of what's at the bottom of his agenda and his motivation beyond

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that Richard Belzer can go fuck himself.

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Uh, or bells, Doug Hagman to go fuck himself.

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Doug, when get the fuck out of here.

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Um, it's Kari sure at night.

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Yeah.

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Everyone at info wars.

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I mean, if you allow this shit to happen, you don't, don't wake up.

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It's just fucking ridiculous.

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Can you imagine being a new hire on a day like that?

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Like how long has she been there?

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He mentioned her like a couple of days prior.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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It's sad.

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It seems like she's new.

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That's if that's your fucking fourth or fifth day, it's like, Oh boy, I don't know what

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I'm going to fucking do.

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I think I would, you would have, well, a reasonable person would, would, would probably quit.

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Yeah.

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Just be like, now there's no way that this is worth it.

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Zero way that this is worth it.

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I remember episodes of Loveline after like traumatic events.

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What they would do is they would, uh, take calls from people to talk about their feelings

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about, you know, what people had experienced.

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Yeah.

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That sort of thing.

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Because there's a, there's a natural help.

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People heal, help people air it out and come together.

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Yeah.

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And that is kind of, I think, while I have some other issues with certainly Adam Corolla's

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late career, um, and maybe in hindsight, some of that earlier part of the career, but I

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think that that's such a good model for how to be ethical and, um, stewards of the public

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airway in a sense, you know, like you have a responsibility when you have, um, an audience

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and you're a daily live radio show, you can't take the day off or whatever.

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You have to come in and do something.

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You have to care and nurture people because if you don't, you're disrupting a process.

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And Alex is deeply disrupting a process here.

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And the only motivations can be nefariously political or nefariously personal.

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Yeah.

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And I don't respect either of those.

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I honestly think like there are a bunch of episodes that keep re-upping my hatred of

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him.

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Yeah.

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It's interesting because I, I fall into a lull of like these, these episodes will come

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up where he's like trying to get people to move to West Virginia cause there's no 5g

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there and stuff.

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It's like, this is goofy.

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What are you doing?

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I'm going to buy Greenland.

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Yeah.

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Like this is bullshit.

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And it kind of, you lose track of like the villain aspect of it.

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But then there's episodes like the Anders Breivik episode, like this, there's a number

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of them along the way, but they really reinforce to me like there's intent here.

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There is absolute clear, it's not an accident.

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He's not stupid what he's doing.

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Some of the stuff that is being done and is being said is stupid, but he is not just Mr.

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Magoo fumbling around propaganda.

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This is directed.

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No, he knows the game.

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Yeah.

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And when I say it's directed, I'm not saying someone's telling him to do it.

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I mean, there's a direction.

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He is a, he's a conscious actor doing this.

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And it sucks.

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Yeah.

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It's not like he has a, it's not like his head of HR is like, now our new story is this.

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Like he's the guy who owns the fucking place.

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So we're done here, Jordan, and we've gotten through the 16th and I hate this already.

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And I really dread the next like week of his show because this doesn't resolve well.

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No.

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And a lot of stuff that does happen does tend towards some of Alex's narratives.

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Yeah.

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Now, you know, like the, them having to have a manhunt for the suspects is the sort of

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thing that fits Alex's perceptions of martial law.

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Yeah.

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But at the same time, what else are you going to do?

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Like you, the, the police are put into an impossible situation, but the optics of it

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work really well for Alex.

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I just don't, I don't look forward to it, but we will get through it as we get through

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it.

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But for now, Jordan, we have a website.

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We do have a website, Dan.

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We do.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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We're also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter, Dan.

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It's at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed, Jordan.

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You're correct.

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We're also on Facebook.

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We are on Facebook.

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We, uh, if you'd like to download the show, head over to iTunes.

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We'd love it if you, uh, left a review as well.

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Yes.

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Wonderful.

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And, uh, we can, uh, be found elsewhere.

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Indeed.

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Uh, but, uh, until next time, Jordan, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm DZX Clark.

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I am the juiciest ice cube.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.