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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan!

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Jordan.

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How do you feel about a good saltine?

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Are you a saltine cracker guy?

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No.

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Are you a triscuit?

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I like a triscuit, you can see there's a box of triscuits right on there.

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Oh yeah, there is, I can only see the back.

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I like a triscuit.

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You like a triscuit?

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Yeah, sure.

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If I'm going for a cracker, I'll probably get a triscuit.

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I absolutely have no use for saltine.

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It's a very boring cracker and it reminds me of times that I would go to the nurse's office in elementary school and I was faking sick and they'd give me saltines and tell me to go back to class.

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To punish you?

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Yeah.

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Too much saltine to get back to class.

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You are incredibly dry crackers.

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Yep, I have that.

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With no water!

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No, they give me sometimes a little Gatorade to get the electrolytes and hydrate back up.

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Of course.

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Now I don't think I've ever experienced a good saltine.

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Yeah, that's my position on it.

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I love the way you said that.

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That was said like you were in a 15th century novel, just like, I don't think I've ever experienced a good saltine.

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I like a wheat thin from time to time.

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How do you feel about the Keebler buttery crisps one?

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They're pretty good. The club is pretty good as a cracker.

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And that rounds out the roster.

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I think those are all the crackers, yeah.

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So this is a show where I know about those crackers and none others.

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And I know a lot about Alex Jones.

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And I only know what you tell me about both.

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Correct!

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So Jordan, today we've got an interesting episode back in the past in 2013, checking in on what Alex Jones was doing in the aftermath of Sandy Hook.

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Of course.

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We are on February 1st, 2013 today, one day only.

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2-1-1-3?

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One day only because this is a weird fucking show.

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Okay.

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I was so disoriented by it, and it was one of the least pleasurable experiences I've had preparing an episode, just because I was so all over the place.

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Or Alex was, I guess, and I was just following Alex.

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Yeah, it was a situation where I felt so untethered from the 2013 period.

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It's anachronistic. He feels different.

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On just this one day?

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Yeah, it's completely all over the place, and we'll get to how and why and what happens.

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Excellent.

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But before we do, I need to give a little bit of a correction from our last episode, our Monday episode.

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We talked about there being reports in Reuters of there being a purge done by Kim Jong-un of some government officials in the aftermath of a failed summit

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with Donald Trump, and as it turns out, those were erroneous reports.

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I apologize to everybody that I got that wrong, but the circumstance was that at the time that we recorded the episode, that was what was being reported in the news,

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and I operated off that and was discussing what was being reported.

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Right.

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Now, the more important piece of it was I wasn't reporting that as to say, here is what's happening in North Korea, this is the news.

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I was discussing it in the context of Alex Jones believes this to be true.

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Right.

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And his response to it is cool.

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Yeah.

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Or more accurately, I guess, not the best way to send a signal to Donald Trump, but hey, it's all right.

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So the conversation of it being whether it is true or not is important, absolutely, and I don't like that we dropped the ball a little bit,

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but the bigger piece of it is it still stands alone whether the story that it's based on is true or not.

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Right.

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Because Alex Jones' response to that story, under the assumption of it being true, was fucked up.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's a little bit like, look, we got the reporting wrong on the Temple of Doom, but Alex did still see that guy get his heart ripped out, and he was like, that's a great idea.

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His take on it was still bad.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I mean, that's kind of one of the reasons why I find the present a little bit less gratifying to cover in as much as there's the possibility, or the greater possibility for things like that.

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Misunderstandings, bad reporting that you read, and then by the time the episode goes up, you know, has been corrected.

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That's almost an indictment of the 24-hour news cycle entirely.

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I absolutely think so.

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Yeah.

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I agree with you.

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Don't indict at all, but it's one of the definite downsides of it, the fluidity of a lot of these things and the...

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The speed with which they hit you.

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Yeah.

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So, like I said, today we're in 2013, February 1st, and we'll get to, you know, discussing some of that fucked-up-itness, but before we do, got to give a shout-out to some people who have signed up and are supporting the show.

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Yay!

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So first, Matt, thank you so much.

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Thanks, Matt.

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Next, Webb.

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Thank you Lilian.

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Thank you, Lilian.

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We appreciate that so very much.

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So Taylor.

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Thank you so much, Taylor.

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So we're on the first, and this first clip

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is only interesting when you get to the end of the show.

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Ladies and gentlemen, get ready.

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Strap yourselves in.

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It is Friday, the first day of February, 2013.

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We're gonna be here for the next three hours,

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and then we'll return, Lord willing, this Sunday,

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as I always do, four to six p.m. Central Standard Time,

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five to seven p.m. Eastern for the Sunday transmission.

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Very standard introduction to the show.

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And he's taking Saturday off?

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No, he always takes Saturday off.

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Oh no, he always takes Saturday off, okay.

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Very standard, but the only reason that I even

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made note of that is this is a four hour show.

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Yeah.

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He says he's doing three hours.

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He does another hour just on a whim.

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He had no idea.

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He can do that?

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Yeah, he can go into overdrive.

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Oh, okay.

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He often goes into overdrive for like five minutes

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or something.

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I'm only making note of this to show that he often

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does not know what he's going to do or what his schedule

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is going to be like when he starts the show.

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Right.

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Right, right, right, right.

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He's like, I'm on air for three hours,

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oops, I did an extra hour.

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Right, yeah, you shouldn't be able to, oops,

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do another extra hour.

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You should prepare, there should be.

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I think it's indicative that the spirit is in him.

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Whatever he's doing, he wants to be doing.

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Okay.

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He extended it because of.

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Gotcha.

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And we'll get to.

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Oh boy.

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Yeah.

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I don't like that tone of voice.

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Well, you know, in that clip he did say,

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Lord willing, we'll be back on Sunday.

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Yes.

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And I take that as like, oh, he's getting kind of religious.

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And on this episode, he does get quite religious.

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Okay.

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But I should say that he always says, Lord willing,

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I'll be back on Sunday.

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Okay, okay.

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So that's not an indication of that.

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I thought that was like occupied Texas, you know,

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that's like a.

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It is, it's a little bit of a, just black.

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Yeah.

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He is big into the rapture on this episode.

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Okay, all right.

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Specifically post-tribulation rapture,

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which we know he's a big fan of.

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Yeah, he doesn't do the pre-trib.

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No, because that's a cop-out.

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Yeah, yeah, that's bullshit.

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He believes that, and we'll get into this

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a little bit later in the episode,

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he believes that the idea of a pre-tribulation rapture

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was concocted by the globalists

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because they were scared of the Christian's ability

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to take them out.

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Yeah, that sounds right.

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And so they needed to dethang the Christians.

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And so they're like, hey, don't worry about it.

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You'll be raptured before all the trouble

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that we're gonna cause.

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Okay.

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So don't worry about it.

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All right, that's the craziest way to look at that.

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And I mean, I don't think there's either

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pre or post-trib raptures, even in the Bible.

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That's a thing that we're gonna have to think about

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a little bit, but before we do,

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Alex needs to talk about how that is the dynamic at play,

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that Christians used to be so against tyranny,

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but now they don't care because of pre-trib rapture.

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That sounds like it.

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Why do Christians submit to tyranny today?

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Why did Christians found America by saying,

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no King, but King Jesus, King George is a tyrant.

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They didn't.

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And led that rebellion, but today, why do they submit?

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And the biggest issue is they teach

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a pre-tribulation rapture.

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The biggest issue.

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So we're gonna examine that.

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And again, even if you're not a Christian,

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this is important anthropology,

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important sociology, important psychology.

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So if you've been listening along to these 2013 episodes

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in the aftermath of Sandy Hook, this is incongruous.

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This focus on pre and post-trib rapture

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is very much like, what is happening?

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He did a fucking extended gold commercial

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at the end of the previous day's episode.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And he was yelling about like grunting park security guards

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and being in hot springs.

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Yeah, yeah.

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That was the day before this.

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Well, the moment a park ranger grunts at you,

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you gotta start thinking about the end times.

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I think that makes perfect sense.

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First thing that happens, ugh.

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Then the very next thought, the very next day,

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is just like, I don't know what's gonna happen next,

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but I hope there's a rapture.

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It's very weird.

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It's very incongruous from a narrative perspective.

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This came out of left field to me.

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This is not at all what I expected.

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Of course not.

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So also, I should say, I've been hearing Alex say

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that no king but King Jesus thing a bit

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in these 2013 episodes.

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But for a while, I just kind of assumed

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it was some kind of phrasing and paraphrasing of scripture

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that I don't remember, so I just decided to leave it alone.

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But for some reason this time, I don't know why,

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it hit my ears a little bit differently.

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And maybe it's because of that jarring shift

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from what he was doing the previous days,

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this religiosity coming.

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Maybe that's why it hit me differently,

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so I decided to see if I could trace down

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where that phrase came from and what we can learn

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about Alex's beliefs from his repeated use of it

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to attack Obama.

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I'm going to guess not the Bible.

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Uh, meh.

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As it turns out, there's something

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that Alex is clearly referencing here.

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As the story goes, John Adams and John Hancock

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were meeting at the home of Reverend Jonas Clark

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on the night of April 18, 1775.

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Oh, that fucking guy.

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Clark was a pastor and said to be involved

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in the local militias.

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As the men gathered, Paul Revere arrived and warned

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that the Brits were coming.

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So then, when British major Pitcairn showed up,

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he demanded that the men lay down their arms,

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to which the patriots were said to have replied, quote,

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we recognize no sovereign but God and no king but Jesus.

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There's a lot of problems with this.

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Oh.

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Just from a historical perspective.

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Like what?

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Well, for one, neither John Adams nor John Hancock

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were present when Pitcairn arrived, historically.

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Second, it was Samuel Adams who attended

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the meeting at Clark's house, not John Adams.

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Brewer and a patriot.

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Third, Pitcairn's very detailed account

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of the night in question, April 18, 1775,

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doesn't include any of this.

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You can't trust him, though.

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He's a Brit.

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But it does include plenty of other dialogue.

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So one would assume that this would be mentioned

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had it have happened.

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It's unclear if this framing of the quote in this fashion

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actually exists anywhere prior to a speech

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that John Ashcroft gave at the noted evangelical Christian

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school, Bob Jones University, in which he said, quote,

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a slogan of the American Revolution which

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was so distressing to the emissaries of the king

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that it was found in correspondences

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sent back to England was the line,

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we have no king but Jesus.

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Tax collectors came asking for that which belonged to the king

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and colonists frequently said, we have no king but Jesus.

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John Ashcroft was George W. Bush's attorney general,

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so it would be certainly weird if that was where

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Alex was taking his quote from, seeing as he fucking

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hates George W. Bush and all things related to him.

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So that's weird.

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Yeah, it turns out he's cool with that one, though.

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It is a pretty good turn of phrase,

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and it sounds like a great legend.

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Well, it's far more likely that Alex

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is getting this from a more succinct version

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of the story of that night, April 18, 1775,

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that was told by Charles A. Jennings.

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The stuff about King George is even

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in Jennings' version of the story, the idea of,

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we don't recognize him as a sovereign.

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Almost everything matches up with Alex's story,

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matches up also with Charles A. Jennings.

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Jennings was a leader in the Christian identity movement,

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which was a religious group that was very popular

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among the extreme right in the 1980s.

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I was just waiting for your first sentence to be,

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Jennings was a Nazi.

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Right around that, he was popular with the world

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that Alex probably would have been in right around the time

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that he was coming of age.

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Sounds right.

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From their earliest days, among their other beliefs,

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Christian identity members called

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for the liquidation of the UN.

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They didn't believe in paying taxes

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and argued that the sheriff was the highest

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constitutional authority in the land.

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I just, I'm so glad those ideas were stamped out

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all the way back then.

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There's a heavy, heavy overlap with Alex's beliefs,

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to a point where I would be very unlikely

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to call it a coincidence.

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This is important because it does appear

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that Charles Jennings is the first person

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to articulate the fabricated story

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where the quote Alex is repeatedly saying comes from.

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This thing seems to be parroting.

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And beyond just being a right-wing Christian figure,

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Jennings is also a huge racist pile of shit.

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From an article in the St. Louis Post Dispatch

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from March 5th, 2000 about Charles Jennings

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and a Christian identity conference

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being held in Branson, Missouri, quote,

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children sat with their parents

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as speaker Charles A. Jennings called himself

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a quote strong racist and said he was pleased that quote,

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the quality of our race is in this room.

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One audience member who applauded Jennings' speech

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was Tom Robb, the Grand Dragon

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of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan.

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If Alex is getting his beliefs

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about the American Revolution from preachers

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who were leaders in the Christian identity movement,

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it implies a very foundational problem with his beliefs,

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namely that he believes white supremacist propaganda

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to be actual history.

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I suspect that's what Alex generally means

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when he says lore.

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So do they mean like I'm a strong racist

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like in the context of like the strong

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connected force between neutrons and protons

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and then the weak?

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I think he just means emphatically.

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Oh, okay, okay.

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So this idea is very interesting to me,

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the idea that Alex believes this articulation of a story

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that absolutely didn't happen historically

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but was used fairly propaganda-wise.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That sounds more reasonable.

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In the extremist right-wing communities.

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So in this next clip,

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remember on our last episode from the 2019 period,

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Alex and Robert Barnes were talking

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about how they're psychic?

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Yes.

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Alex has long felt this way.

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And I'm telling you, the globalists believe in God

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and they believe in spiritual forces.

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I mean, how do you know when somebody's looking at you?

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You can be walking through the woods

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on your own property on a thousand acres.

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How do you do this?

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I know I've been doing that before on my family's property

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in East Texas and repeatedly,

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I know when somebody's looking at me and I'm always right.

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You're never right.

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I'm amazed by that myself.

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Every, it seems like every time we go back and forth

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from the present, there's a completely identical thing.

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It's very weird how there seems to be like constants.

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Yeah.

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Like there's some little relic between times.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, the wheel of time is unending.

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I don't understand how that works.

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I was waiting for him to bring up a mountain lion

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and then I was going to jump out my window.

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I totally thought he was going to bring up that.

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I was waiting for him to bring up a mountain lion.

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If he brought up a mountain lion,

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I'd be like, this is a fucking simulation.

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So in this next clip,

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we get to hear about some of Alex's literary loves.

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Oh boy.

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I think you'll enjoy this.

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Okay.

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There's no way I couldn't cut this clip out.

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I absolutely hate fear.

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Okay.

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I absolutely despise it.

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Fear is the mind killer.

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Because it does kill your intellect.

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It is the mind killer.

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Quote, a great writer, and I'd say philosopher,

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Frank Herbert.

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Fear is the mind killer.

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Fear is the little death.

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The le petit mort.

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Yes.

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That's the orgasm.

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Hey, from a philosophical standpoint.

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He loves Frank Herbert.

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Anytime Dune comes up.

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Hey, who doesn't?

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We're sponsored by Dune.

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So always got to point out whatever Alex brings up,

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Frank Herbert and Dune.

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Yeah.

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Amazing novels.

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Leave the Brian Herbert sequels alone.

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Fair enough.

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Let them go.

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Fair enough.

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So this clip,

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in the same way that that last one for you as a Dune lover,

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that really, you know, that was for you.

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Thank you.

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This one is for me.

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Here's what I want to explain to you.

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And we covered a lot in my film.

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It's been out six years.

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In-game blueprint for global enslavement.

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Available on DVD at mfoldwars.com,

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but in higher quality or in prisonplanet.tv.

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But it's free on YouTube, folks.

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But don't have it be pearls before swine.

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Okay, go watch it.

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It has an online bibliography.

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What is the in-game.com?

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What is the in-game.com?

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So you can double check every 30 seconds.

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We have it marked on the time code with a bibliography.

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A lot of things don't have citations.

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Where the UN says they want to exterminate

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at least 80% of the public.

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Where they state it's US government policy.

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The British Royal Commission on population.

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Anything we quote in the film, it's right there.

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Even if it's George Herbert Walker Bush

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calling for world government, new world order.

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And everybody knows he did that.

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And we show the State of the Union.

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We still give the date, where they set it,

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and where we got it.

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The date and Congress of the United States.

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State of the Union.

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I mean, everything documented.

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It's like an online film book.

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Online film book.

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It is not.

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I love the idea that he's fucking bragging

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about that bibliography.

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He cannot be bragging about the bibliography.

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It makes me wonder if he's not aware

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of how poorly done it is.

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Like, if he just gave people instructions

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and he just assumes it's good.

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And they just turned in shitty homework

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and he wasn't paying attention.

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That sounds really plausible.

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Years on now, he's just never checked in.

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And just assumes, yeah, I told Joe Biggs to go do it.

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He did it.

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Or whatever.

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I told Rob Doo, fucking get the bibliography together.

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And because Rob Doo can't prove a lot of these things,

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it's just like, and you don't want to have to go back

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to Alex and be like, hey.

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None of this is true.

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Bibliography's got some holes, buddy.

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Because these quotes are made up.

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Hey, Alex, in the bibliography, I can't just put a meme.

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I can't put something you found

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on a Patriot message board years ago.

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How many direct quotes were made up in that?

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I can't even remember.

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I think it was almost like eight of 12

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or something like that.

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It might be high.

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It was a high batting average.

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It was a large percentage of them,

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but I don't know what the gross number was.

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Although I do, on our Wiki, I do have a running tally

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of his just completely made up quotes.

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So it's there to be found.

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I love it.

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So yeah, I just always love it

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when he brings up that bibliography.

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It's terrifyingly plausible that he just has no idea.

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Yeah, I consider that.

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He has terrible employees.

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So I think that if he delegates anything,

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he probably assumes it's done, and it's done terribly.

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Right.

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So I think that's probably endemic in his operation.

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Yeah, and it's almost a feature, not a bug.

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Yeah.

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It's protective.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So Alex, in this next clip, talks about Bill Gates.

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He gave a speech at a TED Talk.

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And you might start to notice a little bit of a trend.

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At the beginning of this,

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Alex was getting a little bit religious.

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And he's talking about, you know, no god but king god.

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Yeah.

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King god.

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King god.

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And then he got into the bibliography for Endgame,

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and he starts weaving kind of a lot

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of endgame-ish topics in here.

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And now he's getting into technology.

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Well, no, because this is Bill Gates

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talking about extermination.

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Oh, okay.

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Of everybody.

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Bill Gates gave a TED Talk that Alex is going

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to misrepresent in this next clip,

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where he discusses,

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Alex thinks he's talking about destroying all humans.

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And we'll discuss it on the other end of this clip.

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Like Bender.

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Mm-hmm.

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And they go to TED TV events,

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and they have, you know, the intelligentsia there,

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the technocrats there, the mid-level technocrats,

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and they say, yeah, we're gonna reduce this number

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and show an equation of humans with carbon dioxide

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and show it going to zero, which means zero humans.

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Everybody laughs, and Bill Gates laughs.

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It's all a laugh because that's gang sign.

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It's like they speak another language.

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It's an equation, very simple equation,

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but they know people watching that,

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how are they even gonna know an equation?

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They don't know what the three branches of government are.

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They show an equation that they're going to kill us.

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And he actually says,

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we've gotta get this number down to zero

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using vaccines to lower their population.

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He even says it, shows the equation,

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and then they all laugh.

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Ha ha ha, yeah, ha ha ha!

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It's funny to them, see, because they're not really

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trying to save the planet.

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That's how they get the low-level people into this.

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They're a bunch of inbred psychopaths, sadists up top.

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And you read the 1949 Royal Commission on Population,

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that's the blueprint of all the modern stuff we followed.

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Ehrlich, the UN, Agitat 21, UNESCO, all of it.

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So, for a long time, I thought that

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what Alex was doing there,

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because I've heard that sort of thing.

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He's saying that they were all laughing at this.

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I thought that Alex was misrepresenting Bill Gates,

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his speech, in a way that Bill Gates made a dumb joke,

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and Alex said that he was being serious.

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I thought that Bill Gates, the way I remembered it,

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was that Bill Gates had made a joke about that equation,

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and then this number of population could be zero,

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and that would solve it, like a dumb joke.

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But I went back and re-watched that TED Talk,

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and honestly, this isn't even a joke.

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It's just the audience laughing at a poorly set up slideshow.

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That's all that's going on.

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Oh, they were laughing at him, not with him.

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Not at him, at the slideshow.

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Oh, okay.

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So, Bill Gates introduces his premise

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that in order to stop the disastrous effects

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of climate change, we need to get carbon emissions

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down to as close to zero as we can.

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He then brings up his equation,

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where carbon emissions equals people times number

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of services times efficiency of services

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times CO2 produced per unit of energy.

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After this equation, he goes into each variable one by one,

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and says that for the equation to equal zero,

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one of the variables is going to have to get

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pretty close to zero.

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In the meantime, the slideshow has moved on to his slide

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for the variable of people,

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so it shows a bunch of people on the screen.

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Oh, so everybody makes a, yeah.

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While he's saying that one of the variables

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has to get down to zero.

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The next one is people, and everybody's like,

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ah ha ha ha.

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Right, so they're seeing that, and there's a visual joke,

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but it doesn't appear that Bill Gates even realizes

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the slide has changed.

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Or if he does, he doesn't seem to understand

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why people are laughing.

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Yeah, that actually does, that sounds right on both counts.

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I believe that he does not understand why people laugh, yeah.

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He explicitly says that the population is going up,

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and that if we provide appropriate healthcare,

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we can slow the rate of that rise a little bit.

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But he's definitely not saying that this variable

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should go down to zero, or even go down a lot.

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His entire argument is about how the efficiency

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and the CO2 per unit of energy

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are the two variables where we actually have a chance

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of making a difference.

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This speech is very clear, if you listen to all of it,

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that it has nothing to do with calling the population

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with vaccines or any of that bullshit.

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Has everything to do with creating,

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I mean, if you look at the equation,

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you can't really argue with it.

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Yeah.

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I mean, like, the people times services

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times efficiency times CO2 per unit,

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like, that does make sense that if you want

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what all those add up to to be close to zero,

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one of those things needs to be close to zero,

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or we need to drop all of them.

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Right, or they will all be dropped for us.

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Right, and it does make,

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and if everything is dropped for us,

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then the P is going down.

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Yeah, that one's gonna be the one that's closest to zero.

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If you resist changing the other variables

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that you may have a possibility of being able to change,

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nature will change it for you.

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So in many ways, Bill Gates giving that speech

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is explicitly against depopulation, which is an irony.

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Yes.

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Yeah, that is fun.

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The reality of the situation is the result

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of the reality of Alex Jones stopping us

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from changing anything in that equation

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by creating propaganda for it.

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It is a-

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So in a certain sense, Alex is bringing about

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the very apocalypse that he is-

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He's a depopulation agent.

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Yeah, yeah, hmm.

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So also, at the end there,

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he brings up the 1949 Royal Commission on Population,

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and I am very excited to announce something to you.

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Okay.

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And that is that I figured out

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how Alex Jones knows the word actuaries.

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That's it, that's it.

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He says it all the time in a context

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that don't appear to really make a ton of sense.

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Yeah.

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And it's because that report,

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the 1949 report of the Royal Commission on Population,

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was conducted by an actuary.

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Ah, there we are.

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The 1949 result was the result,

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the report was the result of a five-year study

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on population.

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There was a concern about confirming the conventional

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accepted conclusion that 2.33 repeating two and a third

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children were required for each couple

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to maintain a stable population.

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And this was one of the many primary questions

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that the commission set out to answer.

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What they found more or less boiled down to it being that

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the quote, the size of the family has remained

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comparatively stable for 20 years

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at about 2.2 children per married couple,

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and that this rate was 6% deficient

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for population replacement.

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The report calls itself out, however,

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for not being able to predict what trends

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might be seen in the future from lowering ages of marriages,

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which was a trend that was beginning to happen

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around this time,

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as well as a decreased infant mortality rate.

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So that 6% deficient thing in terms of replacement,

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that might not even have been accurate,

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even by their own estimate.

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An analysis of the report,

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which was done two years after its release,

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mirrors this concern and explicitly lays out

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how two years more data has made the 1949 effort

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effectively outdated.

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The analysis goes on to say, quote,

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it will of course be argued that two years from now

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any new projections will be equally out of date.

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That is no doubt true enough,

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but skepticism should not be allowed

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to stifle all curiosity.

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So there's a built-in thing, even of these reports,

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that there's trends that are happening

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that make this an incomplete picture,

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but it's worth doing anyway

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to know if our future analyses mean anything.

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Right. Let's see how wrong we are and why now,

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and then later on we'll analyze that

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and we won't do that stuff.

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It's a recognition of a process.

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And then the next time, yeah.

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One of the chief findings of the report

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was that fertility rates decreasing

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at whatever rates they were decreasing

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wasn't the result of people being less fertile.

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It was the result of people having a choice

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about having kids for the first time in pretty much ever.

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How dare they?

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Though oral contraception would not be approved

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by the FPA until 1961,

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by 1946 family planning centers had set up clinics

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and were advising people in Britain

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about contraception techniques.

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On one level, I suspect Alex probably only knows

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about this report at all,

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because it was one of the first in Britain

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to recommend that birth control

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should be made available through health services,

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which drew the severe ire of the religious community.

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Surprise.

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They're great.

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In an article in the Catholic Herald,

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it was decried that, quote,

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there is not a spark of religion about it.

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It is purely pagan and a dreadful example

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of the way in which the mind of England has gone pagan.

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If we give women an inch, they will take over our lives.

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Make sure every decision they have is under our control.

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Yeah, the more conservative forces in British society

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went out of their way to attack this report,

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primarily for that reason.

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It stands to reason,

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given that this is a groundbreaking report

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in terms of openly discussing family planning,

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that maybe that that's what all Alex is responding to.

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I sincerely wish that I could say with certainty

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what Alex is talking about

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when he talks about the 1949 Royal Commission on Population,

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but it's pretty hard to find context clues.

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He just says that this report is at the root of everything,

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but then, mysteriously, if you search Infowars

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and Prison Planet, the entire websites,

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if you search them for any sort of variation

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of the words 1949 Royal Commission Report in Population,

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literally nothing comes up.

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That can't be real.

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They have had these websites forever,

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and they have never sought fit to write

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what is the point of complaining about this report.

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That's crazy.

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Yeah, it's weird.

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I wonder if Alex maybe just fell down drunk

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in front of a library

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and somebody was walking out with that commission,

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and somehow it's just seared on the back of his brain,

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and so that's just what he references.

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I strongly suspect that what it is

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is he's heard other people in these patriot right-wing

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communities complain about it,

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like maybe on message boards and newsletters

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that he would read,

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these paranoid John Birch Society-adjacent newsletters

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that would go out in the early days,

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in the pre-internet days even,

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they would make reference to it,

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or W. Cleon Skousen might have brought it up

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in one of his writings that Alex loves.

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Well, yeah, but the Skousen's main problem

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was with the font.

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It was Wingdings, which was a mistake.

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The royal commission was very clear about that.

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Very clear that was a mistake.

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They wish they could go back in time.

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But so I think that it's possible

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that he's heard about it secondhand from somebody else

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who was pissed off about it

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because of the birth control advocacy in it.

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And the cycle of stupidity moves out,

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and the cat's in the cradle,

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and the silver spoon, and we go.

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So if he wants to talk about it

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from a perspective of like,

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I'm against this because it advocated

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for people being allowed contraception,

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great, do that.

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But now recognize we're going to treat you like that.

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We're going to treat you like that's your argument.

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I think he just doesn't want people

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to know that that's his argument.

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It seems like that's the only thing it could possibly be.

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Yeah, it's very confusing to me.

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I went down this road,

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and I can't quite figure out what he means.

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And I just think he's full of shit.

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I do strongly suspect that it is just about contraception.

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I think that he, either of his own volition

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or based on something he read somewhere else,

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it all traces back to just the resistance

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to the idea of the freedom that is offered

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by having a choice in giving birth.

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Yeah.

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But Alex is talking here about,

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this is wild to me,

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because he's still sort of talking about,

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he's talking about the globalists, of course.

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Right, well, yes.

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This is directly contradictory

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to something he generally says about globalists.

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Plus the only wealth you have

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is being really poor is children.

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By the way, it is the real wealth.

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But the point is, is that the globalists don't know,

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they've only got five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10 kids.

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They all know that.

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What?

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Don't they have zero kids and they eat their own?

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He's repeatedly said that they can't have kids.

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Yeah.

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He said that they want to destroy the world

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and you can tell because they don't have children.

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Right.

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Well, that was in 20, he says that now in 2019.

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Right.

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In 2013, the globalists all had five or six kids.

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It's just been because they've been eating

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so many of them, you know, you run out of adrenochrome.

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Man, I guess.

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You start looking down and all of a sudden

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you don't have any kids.

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Don't get high on your own supply.

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Exactly.

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See, I don't know.

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A lot of this stuff though is,

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and I didn't cut out a lot of clips

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that would have just been us going back over Endgame stuff.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There is just a ton of stuff that's,

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like a lot of this feels like he just watched Endgame

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last night and it was like, fuck.

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I could see him rubbing one out to his own movie

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right before he goes to bed.

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Brain rubout.

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I'm gonna be honest.

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Gonna be honest.

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Yeah, and so we had this kind of religious trend going on

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and then you also had this Endgame trend

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and I think it comes together in this next clip.

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It's very strange to me.

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When I told you at the beginning of this episode

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that I felt very untethered, it's because of this vibe.

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I think that this clip really well embodies

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that sort of, what he's bringing to the table

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and it made me deeply unsettled.

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You're not let in to the club unless you're for this.

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That's why Pianka, remember this famously five years ago,

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gave a speech to the Texas Academy of Sciences.

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He got their highest award.

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He's gotten global awards, been to Europe.

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And he said, I look forward to the Airborne Ebola

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being released and 90% of it's dying, including my family.

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It's sad, but it's for the better.

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And there was a standing three minute ovation.

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Photos were taken, newspapers reported with crying.

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Oh, yeah.

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Even my family's gonna die.

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And everyone was so moved by it.

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He goes, yes, all the top Texas Academy of Sciences people.

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I talked to the reporters that were there.

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They were taking photos and covered it.

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And they estimated 90% stood in the ovation

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and it went on for three minutes.

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As he projected on the PowerPoint,

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a giant screen of pile of red skulls, red skulls.

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We actually went and did a Google search later

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of that photo.

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Marvel.

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It's a Rwandan pile of skulls.

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You got to do the image search.

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Giant red pile of skulls and they're in their church.

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They're in their church, standing ovation.

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Oh, oh, standing ovation, standing ovation.

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It's their church.

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It's their time to cry.

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It's their time to have a sacrament.

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It's their time to take the blood of Satan,

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not the blood of Jesus.

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It's their time to take communion.

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It's their time.

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It's their time.

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It's their time, their time.

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So, oh yeah.

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I was very close to leaving that clip out of this episode

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and just kind of trying to find the new points to touch on

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because we talked about Eric Pianka

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when Alex brought him up in Endgame.

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So we've discussed him a little bit,

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but ultimately I felt that that clip

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really represented this energy

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that Alex has on this show and it's super weird.

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His manner is entirely different than previous episodes

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in 2013 that we've been going over.

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He has the air of a preacher to him

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more than he normally does.

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The repetition of it's their time.

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The other repetition at the end of that clip.

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Yeah, Baptist-wise.

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This is their church.

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It's very much like an evangelical pastor.

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It made me feel very unsettled.

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Simultaneously, he's doing a shitload

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of rehashing Endgame narratives.

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As if, like we've already said,

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he watched it the night before

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and was reminded what he was supposed to be doing.

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I'm so great.

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Well, it just reminds me like,

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oh, this is what I meant to do

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and then I got distracted five years ago.

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Oh yeah, shit.

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Sorry guys.

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Let me get back on track.

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All right, my bad, my bad.

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Obama came along and I got kinda,

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I got buck wild.

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What's this whole Sandy Hook?

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What was this whole Sandy Hook thing?

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Let's move on.

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It's 2013, yet he's doing content straight out of 2008.

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Literally the day before this episode,

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he was telling fake stories about grunting park rangers

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and helping Ted Anderson talk shit about other gold sellers.

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And yet here he is today doing a preacher impression.

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Literally nothing feels right about this episode

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and it makes me feel really fucked up.

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I don't know what to do with it

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and we'll see how it ends up playing out.

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But since we took the time to take this clip

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and discuss it,

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I feel it's my obligation to go a little deeper

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into how Alex is completely lying about Dr. Eric Pianka.

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Pianka is one of Alex's favorite go-to examples

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of members of the intelligentsia

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who are openly in favor of depopulation

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and the globalist plan.

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Interestingly, in pretty much all the time

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of listening to Alex's show,

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the only thing he ever brings up about Pianka

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is this one speech where people gave him a standing ovation

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for rooting for airborne Ebola.

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Yeah.

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Interestingly, when you take a closer look

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at what Alex is referencing,

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it becomes clear that Alex just saw a headline

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about Pianka on the Drudge Report in 2006

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and he's been riffing on it ever since.

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Back in April 2006, Eric Pianka was giving a speech

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at the Texas Academy of Sciences.

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It was a speech that he'd delivered many times before

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called The Vanishing Book of Life.

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Dr. Pianka is an evolutionary ecologist by trade

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and as such, the speech was about the catastrophe

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that was looming in the ecosystem,

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a catastrophe that we have willed into existence

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through inaction.

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Does he write a new speech every year?

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Because you can't really tour on the same hour

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over and over and over again.

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Your fans are gonna...

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I'm not entirely sure how long he'd been doing these bits

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but I know that he had been giving the speech before this

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without incident.

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All right.

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But on that April day,

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there happened to be an asshole in the crowd.

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This asshole was named Forrest Mims.

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Of course an asshole is named Forrest Mims.

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He didn't have a chance.

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He didn't have a chance, Dan.

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Not to be confused with the rapper Mims

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who did that song, This Is Why I'm Hot.

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Poor bastard.

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He was named Forrest Mims.

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So Forrest Mims is an amateur scientist

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and a skeptic of climate change

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and thus I'm comfortable saying he's not a scientist.

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Of course that doesn't stop him

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from being a professor of earth sciences

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at the University of Nations in Kona, Hawaii.

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That might mean something

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but unfortunately the University of Nations

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is an unaccredited Christian college

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whose CFO Pablo Rivera was sentenced to prison last year

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for embezzling $3.1 million from the school.

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He created fake invoices to steal the money

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and raise student fees to make up the money

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for what the school was spending.

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One of the things he allegedly bought with the money

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was a gold mine in Sierra Leone.

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So that dude was real cool.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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That's like ticking all of the boxes

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of a evil evangelical dude just like boom, boom, boom.

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Gold mine in Sierra Leone?

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Of course I'm gonna buy that.

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I've already reached the state of monsterhood

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where there's no recourse for me in hell.

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Well, there's actually one box left to check off

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and that is that the DOJ also charged him

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with obstruction of justice

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for attempting to hide diamonds.

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There.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Were they his diamonds at least?

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Well, he'd bought them

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with the money he stole from the school.

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So technically.

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So no.

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I don't know.

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Possession nine tenths of the law.

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Sure.

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That's right, that's the school that this guy teaches at.

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Yeah, okay.

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That's their CFO.

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So he's a skeptic.

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Their house is not in order is what I would say.

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It's kind of amazing that the guys

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who describe themselves as skeptics

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are the ones most often taken in

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by these kind of bullshit schemes.

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Well, he's a climate change skeptic

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less than an actual general skeptic.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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In 1988, Mims alleged that the Scientific American

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wouldn't hire him as an editor

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because of his creationist views.

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This in combination with his disbelief in climate change

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brings into sharp focus why he did what he did

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to Dr. Eric Pianka.

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And it's an expression of Mims being an asshole.

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Forrest Mims was there for the speech

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and he took it upon himself to write an article

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on his website that was covered by the local paper,

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the Seguin Gazette Enterprise.

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I believe it was just him, I would say,

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in prose crying and shitting his pants like a baby.

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No, no, I don't think they had art on the article.

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Oh, okay.

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This article, the local paper whitewashing

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a sensationalized report of Pianka's speech

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was then picked up by the Drudge Report

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and immediately a right-wing attack commenced.

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But then as people started to analyze the quotes

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provided to the Gazette Enterprise

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and compared them to a transcript of Pianka's speech,

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things didn't add up.

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The quotes were taken entirely out of context

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and often from different parts of the speech.

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People who were there came forward

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and called Mims' assessment

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a quote dishonest mischaracterization

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and said, quote, Dr. Pianka in no way advocated billions

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of deaths from Ebola or said anything

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that would lead a reasonable person

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to think he was doing so.

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I've read the speech and I 100% concur with this.

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I find it very hard to believe

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that someone could reach the conclusions that Mims did

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without doing so intentionally.

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Oh, good, well, that's settled

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and I assume that the right-wing

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would never ever use that as an attack.

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Oh, you're not giving me a smile on that.

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No, that doesn't sound good.

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I think if you look at the available information,

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it becomes pretty clear that Mims was likely offended

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by Pianka's tone and how he doesn't care

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for creationist and climate denial positions.

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In his speech, Pianka said, quote,

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the biggest enemy we face is anthropocentrism.

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This is a common human attitude

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that everything on earth was put there for our use

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to be used any way we want,

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which is a direct opposition to the Bible

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if taken literally, which we know creationists generally do.

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It seems it behooves them to if they don't.

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As Pianka points out in a response

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to the fake controversy,

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Mims is a fellow of the Discovery Institute,

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which exists specifically to, quote,

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make intelligent design the dominant perspective in science.

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One way you can work toward that goal

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is to smear a prominent evolutionary ecologist

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as an advocate of human extermination.

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In the fallout, Pianka received tons of death threats

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and someone even reported him to Homeland Security

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as a bioterrorist.

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This harassment campaign got seriously out of hand

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and when you take a closer look,

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it's absolutely based on a willful misrepresentation

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of his speech.

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The closest thing that you can come to him saying

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something that is close to this is in the speech,

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he does say something along the lines of

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the world would be better off if there were 10 to 20% of us

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after whatever bottleneck happens,

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which isn't to say that he wishes that upon people

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or that he wants the world to die,

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just that the natural ecological systems will work better.

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So I don't know.

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I think anything is just a willful mischaracterization.

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I think it's a dirty shame.

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And this is the only thing that Alex knows

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is the smear against this guy.

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The right wing is so good at that.

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They're so good at taking some small, dumb, innocuous lie

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from some idiot in the middle of fuck nowhere

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and turning it into a fucking Obama's tan suit.

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Like how do you, how are they so good at it?

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He's in the middle of nowhere.

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He's a UT professor.

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No, no, no, not him.

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The Forest Pimms dude, Forest Mims.

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Yeah, but I mean, he was also like, because he is,

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he's someone who's actually kind of interesting

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because it appears that he does know a good bit

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and is self-taught in like electrical engineering

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and electrical science.

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Cool.

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Yeah.

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So stay away from actual, from other sciences.

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No, I agree.

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But because of that, he had a position

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within the Texas Academy of Sciences.

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Okay.

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So he was there in some auspices that are appropriate.

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Right.

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So it's one of those interesting things.

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Like he got out of his lane

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and his creationist climate denial-y positions

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I think led him to take great offense.

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Right.

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It's like a veterinarian selling pills

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and we all know that that would never happen, right?

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That's interesting.

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Also, one other thing that's really important to remember

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is that Alex is completely lying

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about researching the slideshow.

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In that transcript of his speech that I mentioned,

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Pianka includes his graphics.

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The slide that Alex is talking about,

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where he said there are a bunch of Rwandan skulls,

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it's six cartoon skulls next to a cartoon of Skeletor.

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It's in a part of the speech where he's talking

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about trying to find images to go along with his speech

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and it's clearly a joke.

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Alex would know that if he looked into it at all,

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but he would know exactly what he knows

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if he'd only read the account from MIMS

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that was reposted on Drudge, which says, quote,

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Pianka then displayed a slideshow

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with rows of human skulls,

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one of which had red lights flashing from its eye sockets.

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That one with red lights flashing

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was Skeletor from He-Man.

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That is the most annoying thing that I have heard

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since our last goddamn episode, Dan.

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It's crazy.

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Your whole goal now is just to vex me with dumb reality.

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I'm not trying to- That is stupid.

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I'm not trying to vex you.

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That is stupid. I'm trying to highlight

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these instances- No, I'm being facetious.

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I'm trying to highlight these instances

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where Alex is like, we looked into it,

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we searched the image that he used

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and it's Rwandan skulls.

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If you searched for the images, you would have found He-Man.

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Yeah, that's the thing.

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It turns out to be Skeletor.

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This fucking idiot wrote that it was a row of human skulls

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and with one that was- Well, no, that's fair.

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I get what he's writing.

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I get what he's doing, but that's bullshit.

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He's misrepresenting it,

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but it is a fair description devoid of He-Man.

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Yeah, I get it. I get it.

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It's unfair, but technically accurate.

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It was a row of human skulls and one had red lights flashing.

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That's bullshit. That's bullshit.

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But one of them can't be Skeletor

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if you want me to take you seriously.

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It's lying by omission.

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I'm glad he did because it so highlights

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how little work Alex does about anything.

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Like if you want to check into what are these human skulls,

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like, wow. Yeah, that makes it very,

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very easy to point out.

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He lies about his process.

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Alex lies about the work that he does because he needs to.

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So we get off this and like I said, that religious vibe,

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that preacher-y vibe is going through

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and the end game content is going through.

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We're under the tent.

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I don't know why entirely,

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but Alex gets to a news story.

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So it's not from 2008.

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This one's more current.

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Although you're making him hold up newspapers now

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in all of these investigations,

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just to confirm when the date is.

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This one's current, but it feels the same as ever.

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To a veteran who's involved running a program

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raising money for other veterans,

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won big awards in the community.

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People are like, he's a veteran.

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He wins awards.

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Why is the sheriff's department?

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Why is the grand jury throwing the book at him?

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You're the enemy.

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You're a robot that's now to be decommissioned.

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You've gone out and fought for the new world order

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and shot up with the deadly vaccines

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and they're not killing you fast enough.

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The DU isn't killing you fast enough.

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You're supposed to come back here

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and die or go to prison.

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You're the number one enemy.

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You're what Homeland Security is targeting.

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I've got all these articles where vets are getting targeted.

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It's like, it's weird.

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They're pulling vets over.

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Cops just say they're pulling me over for no reason.

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They've got your license plate scanned.

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You're in a database.

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It's telling them in many of these major cities

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to pull you over.

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See now it's not just warrants or priors with these scanners

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it's now vet.

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That's a vet, pull him over.

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And they know when they're vets, they walk over.

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Joe, you're a vet.

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Got back from Iraq last year.

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Get out of the car.

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So he's talking about a specific veteran who got arrested.

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He's saying for a possession of a weapon

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and then generalizing it to like,

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they are going to pull over anyone who's a vet.

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They're coming after all of you.

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Just a desperate plea just to be like, join us.

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Get on our side.

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They all hate you.

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They wanna jam you up.

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And you know what we're gonna do?

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We're gonna find all of the homeless veterans

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because we care so much about veterans

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and we will help them get up.

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What are you saying?

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No, no, no.

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You care about veterans, right?

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Gotta go to commercial.

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Oh, okay, shit.

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So the story that he's talking about though,

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the specific case is about a guy named Nathan Haddad,

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a veteran who was arrested after he was found

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to be in possession of illegal weapons accessories.

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In specific, he had 30 round magazines for an AR-15

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and AR-7, which is really illegal in New York.

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As it turns out, this may not have been a case

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of overzealous cops just pulling over any vet

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they can find and jamming them up.

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It was likely the result of a sting operation.

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One of the things that makes me think that

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is that in the article about his arrest,

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it clearly states that he was parked during the arrest,

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which doesn't seem like how you would describe

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someone at a checkpoint.

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Also, the article says that he was parked

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because he had quote, advertised the magazines

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for sale on Craigslist and was waiting

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to meet a potential buyer.

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Okay, so you're thinking the cops may have found

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that Craigslist ad.

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Yeah, maybe.

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You think, that would be.

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I have a hunch.

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All right, so that is really bad planning

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whenever you're trying to commit an illegal sale of goods.

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You don't want to advertise it on Craigslist.

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I think a lot of people do that on Craigslist.

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That's fair, nevermind.

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This is a basic piece of primary reporting

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that all the conservative press seem to gloss over.

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They all say that he was arrested for possessing

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the magazines, which he could have been, but he wasn't.

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He was arrested for trying to sell them,

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which they don't want to bring up

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because it hurts their basic argument

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of these magazines are safe and good

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in the hands of an upstanding veteran,

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because who knows who he was trying to sell them to.

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Yeah, they're very good in the hands of a veteran.

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They're really bad the moment he hands them over

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in exchange for money.

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So, these magazines are specifically for military use only,

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so obviously sneakily trafficking in them

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isn't a good thing.

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Either way, it doesn't matter

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because Haddad just got a slap on the wrist

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with conditional discharge.

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He had to pay a $200 fine,

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but considering that he became a cause celeb

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of the right-wing militia patriot world,

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he raised over $50,000 in online campaigns.

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It's very likely he made a profit off the whole thing.

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He only had to pay a $200 fine

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for selling items destined for mass murder?

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Not necessarily destined for mass murder, but potentially.

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Right.

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I don't know, yeah, that's all I could find

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in the article about the disposition of the case.

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I don't know entirely if he re-offended,

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because that conditional discharge

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is basically like a suspended sentence kind of thing,

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where it's like, if you get arrested again,

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we can recharge you.

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Okay.

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But if you stay clean for a certain amount of time,

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then you just have this fine.

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Cool.

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And I don't know, I don't know how I feel about it.

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I think it's probably not,

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maybe a little bit of a harsher penalty, but whatever.

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Yeah, I don't know, I'm...

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I'm not gonna re-litigate local cases from 2013.

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I think it's time we do.

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But I can't...

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Because if we're not going to, Dan, who will?

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Someone else.

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Oh, okay, fair.

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Alex will.

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I can definitely say that what Alex is doing with it

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is wrong, but I don't know about the courts, who cares.

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So Alex does have a guest on this episode.

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He actually has two, and I've been sort of lying to you.

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When I listen to this episode,

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Alex's vibe of the religiosity and endgame stuff

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really confused me.

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And as the show went on, it started to make sense.

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This first guest makes fairly clear why he's endgame in it.

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Why he's getting back to endgame.

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Because this guest is somebody who is an expert

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in endgame type narratives.

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The Russo brothers.

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No.

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Chris Evans?

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No, her name is Rosa Corey.

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And she wrote a book called Behind the Green Mask,

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Agenda 21, all this stuff.

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She's an Agenda 21 person.

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Get her on the show now.

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So she's on, and they just talk about Agenda 21

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and how it's a globalist takeover plan.

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It is.

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It's a lot of vague riffing.

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And so I isolated this clip,

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because I think it's one of the most specific things

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that Corey says.

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And I think if you listen to this,

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you can see what they're trying to attack

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when they attack, they make accusations of Agenda 21.

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So you need to show up and occupy those government meetings

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and talk about Agenda 21 sustainable development.

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Let them know that you know what it is.

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Those three pillars of Agenda 21 are economy,

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ecology, and social equity.

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And when you see that together,

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you want to break that down.

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And you want to advise your elected officials

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that you are going to take them out.

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If they don't drop this.

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So the argument is essentially like this.

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So Agenda 21 is the UN,

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and then there's all these local bodies

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that are under the auspices and doing the bidding of the UN,

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pretending to be local forces.

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And the UN's plan is ecology, economy, and social equity.

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I think they might not like the social equity part.

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But anytime you see a local body that is working

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and those things are involved,

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ecology, economy, and equity,

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anytime you have a local thing,

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aha, Agenda 21 is afoot.

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Yeah.

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And so you have to fight back against anything

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that involves the intersection of economy,

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ecology, and social equity.

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And if you do that, what are you doing?

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Not good stuff.

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No, no.

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Okay, so let's try and find a situation

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where it's a good idea. It gives you an automatic way

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to attack things that you're against.

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All right, I propose to this council

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that we limit the ability of Coca-Cola

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to put pollution into our rivers.

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Or people's drinking water.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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We don't want that anymore.

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Boy, that's an intersection

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of economy, ecology, and equity.

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Oh, okay.

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Well then, I guess we can't do it

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because that's Agenda 21. Agenda 21.

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That's a perfect way to encapsulate it.

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That is the utility of this sort of argument.

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And that's what she's bringing to the table.

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So she's great.

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Alex spends a lot of time on this episode

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talking shit about Agenda 21 with this guest, Rosa Corey.

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She's of a group called

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the Democrats Against UN Agenda 21.

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For a Democrat, she seems to hang out

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with a lot of right-wing dum-dums,

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seeing as a bulk of her media appearances

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that I can find are on Alex's show,

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hanging out with Glenn Beck,

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and of course, appearing on the overtly

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white nationalist show, Red Ice Radio.

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Their particular complaints about Agenda 21,

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Alex's and Rosa's, are pretty boring.

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So instead of listening to them ramble

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about how it's the government's plan

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to take over everybody, I want to tell you

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a little bit about what you need to know about Agenda 21.

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First things first, we've discussed this

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a number of times in the past,

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but Agenda 21 was an entirely non-binding plan

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that was the result of a conference

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called the Earth Summit held in Rio de Janeiro

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between June 3rd and 14th, 1992.

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Would have been funnier if they held it on the moon.

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It would have, certainly.

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Agreed.

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Implementation of all or just parts

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of the suggested sustainability measures

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discussed in the reporter entirely up

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to each individual UN member state.

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There's no expectation that countries

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have to do anything based on this report,

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and it is a crucially important thing

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to understand about this document.

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And another thing that's crucially important

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is it was never a secret.

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It was made public during its 1992 conference.

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Right, and secretly, though.

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In December 1991, the Soviet Union dissolved,

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and thus the state of affairs in the world

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were markedly different heading into 1992.

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The Cold War had ended, and there was a sense of hope

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surrounding the future being characterized

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by global cooperation.

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Those poor, dumb bastards.

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Simultaneously, the world was still dealing

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with the fallout from the energy crises of the 1970s,

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which illustrated clearly that we had

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a serious problem with energy consumption.

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And that problem was going to be made worse

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if developing parts of the world followed

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the same strategies that, just as an example,

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the United States had.

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The sense was that it would be unacceptable

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to say something like these countries

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aren't allowed to develop or create industries of their own,

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but at the same time, a new awareness existed

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that if they did it with the same technologies

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that we used, the pollution and overall damage

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to the environment would be a catastrophe.

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Nope, Obama said that Africans can't have fridges.

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This was not an issue that could be solved

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with unilateral decision-making.

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It required everyone working together.

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A balance of interests was needed,

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and sustainable development became a topic

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of a lot of interest in the late 80s and early 90s.

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Alternatives to fossil fuels became more widely considered,

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and recycling got a nice push in the public consciousness.

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It's in this setting that the Earth Summit was held,

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and Agenda 21 was written.

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It's just a plan that the UN was encouraging

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smaller governmental bodies to use

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to help them create their own sustainability plans.

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There were suggestions and little bits of help.

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Alex and his ilk only think of this

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as some kind of evil, satanic thing

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because it treats private property rights

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as something that needs to be balanced

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with environmental issues, rural development issues,

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and the concerns of indigenous peoples,

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as opposed to how Alex sees property rights

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as the most important thing other than guns.

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This is one of the big reasons that Alex has this problem.

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People who have property sure do seem to like it.

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Since I've never had property,

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I'm always interested to know

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what I would be like if I did.

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Like, I don't even own more than,

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I don't even own two pairs of shoes.

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I don't have property.

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No, you're not even getting into the shoe rights market.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I should get some more shoes.

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So this concern about the sort of secondary nature,

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or at least conditional aspect of private property rights

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is a very big part of Alex's problem

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with the Agenda 21 proposals.

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And then also the opposition involves anything,

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they're opposed to anything that involves climate change.

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So those sorts of things explain why Agenda 21

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activists are generally on the hard right.

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And many are associated with groups

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like American Policy Center, the Heritage Foundation,

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John Birch Society, and the Eagle Forum.

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But that doesn't explain why Rosa Corey,

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ostensibly a Democrat, is also opposed to Agenda 21.

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She's good friends with Joe Manchin?

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I don't think that's it.

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Private property rights and the paranoia surrounding them

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are generally the exclusive territory of the right.

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So I found this very confusing.

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Well, there's one other group

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that's super into property rights.

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You know- Serial killers.

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You know what Corey's career was

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before she became a public champion

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for Agenda 21 fighting?

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She was an attorney for super rich people.

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It's close.

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She was a quote, commercial real estate appraiser

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specializing in eminent domain acquisitions.

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Okay.

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She was in the business of using eminent domain

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to take land for private use by commercial interests,

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which is in direct opposition

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to government's parceling lands for public use,

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which is an element of sustainable development.

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In one public works case that she was involved in,

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she said, quote, I was able to put together the players

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and what was influencing restrictions on land and energy use.

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It was related directly to Agenda 21

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sustainable development.

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So she'd cracked the case.

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I wonder if she is receiving any further funding

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from people who also may have the same interests.

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I'm not entirely sure.

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I couldn't find any strong indications of that.

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So I would be remiss in trying to make that indication.

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I just-

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Then I shall continue to wonder.

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Yeah.

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But she'd solved the mystery.

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She cracked the nut, you know,

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she figured out all the players involved.

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Agenda 21.

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Yep.

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So she began working to solve the problem.

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It seems mostly she did that

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by creating deceptively named organizations

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made to look like legitimate neighborhood groups,

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but were probably just her.

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She's literally a Russian troll.

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Well, there's some similarities.

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Yeah.

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There was the Santa Rosa Neighborhood Coalition

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to begin agitating,

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which is definitely not the same thing

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as the very real Santa Rosa Neighborhood Alliance,

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whose chairman said he believed that Rosa's group

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consisted entirely of quote, just her and Kay.

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Kay being Rosa's partner, who is a general contractor.

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Oh, okay.

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So also into property and that line of work.

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I'm seeing some coincidentally aligned interests.

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Rosa and Kay filed a frivolous lawsuit

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against the Santa Rosa Gateways Redevelopment District,

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which cost the taxpayers tons of money

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and delayed the plan for three years,

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but ultimately achieved nothing.

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Other than that,

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her strategy has seemed to be just to show up

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at local government planning meetings

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and disrupt them by screaming conspiracy theories.

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That is intentional.

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As Corey has said, quote,

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these public meetings are truly designed

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to stop people from having an opportunity for input.

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There are times when the only way to block a thing

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is to really shut down a meeting.

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I really wish she hadn't gone pro

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with being a lunatic asshole.

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Like, I feel like if she'd stayed amateur,

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that's a pretty fun hobby.

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I don't know, I think it's-

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You know, some council meetings should be stopped

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by somebody walking in and screaming conspiracy theories,

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but not all of them.

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I think anybody who's involved in local meetings

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probably doesn't agree with you.

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I think your privilege of not being there

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probably informs your opinion.

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That may have something to do with it.

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Corey is an embodiment

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of how these conspiracies are destructive

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in real life settings.

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Opposition to anything that involves climate change

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and doesn't deify private property rights

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will become a target of coordinated right wing attack,

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as happened in the case of Agenda 21.

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Conspiracy theories grow up around the plan

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that are wide ranging enough

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that anything could be Agenda 21.

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Is your city putting in a new park?

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Agenda 21.

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Is your city trying to put bike lanes in

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or less polluting public transit?

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Agenda 21?

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Once the framework of the conspiracy is accepted,

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anything can be made to fit.

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Anything could be a piece of it.

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You saying that is part of Agenda 21?

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Probably.

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But even these people know they're talking bullshit.

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Their arguments don't make sense outside of info wars,

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so they know that the only thing they can do

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is scream at a city council meeting

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about how the UN is behind

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their city's proposed recycling program.

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Ah, but it's Agenda 21 that convinces them to do so.

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Sure.

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It's all Agenda 21, Dan.

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In Baldwin County, Alabama, on November 6th, 2012,

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all nine members of the Planning and Zoning Commission

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resigned in unison in protest

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when their comprehensive development plan was killed.

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It wasn't killed over budgetary concerns

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or anything like that.

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It was the result of tons of people accusing their plan

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of being too close to Agenda 21

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and protesting their meeting

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with conspiracy theory bullshit.

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The county needed a development plan, too,

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because between 1990 and 2000,

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they saw an increase in population of 42.9%,

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and quote, subdivisions were popping up everywhere

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with little consideration given

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to how many projects would fit with each other,

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the environment, and the future.

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These nine citizens tried to come up with a plan

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to help fix that problem,

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and they were shouted down as UN conspirators

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trying to bring in tyranny.

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These people are the worst.

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Yeah, exactly how do we coexist with,

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like, there's gotta be a way for us to,

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like, they can, you can still have your Agenda 21 fears,

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but we're not allowing you to influence

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actual policy ever again.

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Like, how do we do that?

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Do we just, like, dismantle Fox News?

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No, I don't think so.

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I think what she, I mean, I don't know.

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I'm obviously wrong,

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but my answer always just comes back to greater education.

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That's, I mean, that's the only thing I can come up with.

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Right, right, right, right, right.

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So anyway, in this next clip,

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I would say that Corey,

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the reason that I am stumbling a bit

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is because her last name is spelled K-O-I-R-E.

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I keep forgetting how to pronounce it as I look at it,

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because it's not right. Yeah, I want to say Corey,

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I want to say K-O-I-R-E every time.

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Coir. Coir!

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So she's expressing in this clip

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something that Alex expresses a lot,

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and it's a real fallacious way of thinking.

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It's this sort of idea that, like,

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people are attacking me, therefore I'm right.

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That does sound right.

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And that is a dangerous, dangerous mentality.

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I don't see how.

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You know what, we do have them on the run.

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When you start seeing this, you know,

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they're vilifying me in the press,

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that's when I know I'm winning.

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When they're actually out there talking about this

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and they're saying, oh, that agenda 21,

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that's a good thing,

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when they wouldn't even admit that it existed for 20 years,

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you know, then you know you're winning.

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Again, it wasn't a secret.

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Like, it wasn't, no one denied that it existed.

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They denied your interpretation of it.

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Ah!

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And still do. Got you!

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And I will.

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Got you!

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But yeah, that mentality is so fucking dangerous.

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That idea of, like, I'm getting criticism

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and that means I'm right.

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It's like, no, you could just be getting criticism

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because you're terrible.

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Yeah.

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That's a possibility.

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You can get criticism if you're right or if you're wrong.

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You could be getting criticism

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because you're creating fake groups of concerned citizens

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and trying to bully city councils.

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Now, sure, people say creating fake groups

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and lying to people and disrupting council meetings,

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people say those are bad,

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and that's how I know they're good.

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So Corey, I believe, is probably the reason Alex is

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in his Endgame headspace.

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Yeah.

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I think there's even a possibility

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that he re-watched Endgame in order to prepare

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for her being there because he forgot what Agenda 21 is.

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It would make sense that instead of doing his homework

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on the guest, he does his homework on himself

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to remember what it is he's-

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I don't want to read her book.

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Yeah, exactly.

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I'll just watch Endgame

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and assume she said the same stuff I did.

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Also, Alex is trying to sell his InfoWars magazine

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and he keeps calling it a pamphlet.

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Get something right!

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Yeah.

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So that's kind of why I think he's in the Endgame headspace.

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And then he has another guest that comes in

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that starts to give an understanding

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of why he's in the religious headspace

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and why he's really into talking about post-Trib Rapture.

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Mr. T.

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They don't show up exactly yet,

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but this is sort of inter-

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Intro to their intro, let's say.

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So understand, if you want to know why

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we got in this position where the government

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now runs the churches,

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it violates the First Amendment and common sense,

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this country was founded on,

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it's because the leadership got bought off

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by the World Council of Churches,

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the National Council of Churches,

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the same Rockefeller groups.

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Go look it up.

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And so from an anthropologist or sociologist view,

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you need to see after the Tribulation,

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because the Bible clearly states

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the Tribulation comes after the devil wages war

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on the saints and overcomes them

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and chops off their heads by the millions in all of this.

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I'm not particularly interested in talking

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about what the Bible does or doesn't say,

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because I feel like that's just gonna,

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we're gonna descend into a pit that we don't need to be in.

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This is about the anthropology lessons

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that can be learned after what the Bible says is true.

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He's also not recommending people read the Bible.

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He's saying, watch this documentary.

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Yeah.

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Well, it was a good documentary.

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So we've got the person who made this documentary

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as Alex's guest.

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And here we go.

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This is the real deal, ladies and gentlemen.

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Okay.

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With Bill McNeil.

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And they hate Christians and they hate gun owners

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because they know we understand what's going on.

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That's the litmus test that we know they're authoritarians.

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Now he's with us for this hour

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and a little bit into the next hour.

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After the Tribulation, a film that they even

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did an info war style trailer without us even saying it.

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So I went ahead and tagged on my own promo onto it.

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It's up at info wars.com right now.

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I tagged my own promo dude?

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Everyone needs to buy this at info war store.com

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and go give it to their pastor, their preachers and others.

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And again, pastor Steve Anderson

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is famously a hundred mile in checkpoints.

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He's been beat up for asking questions.

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We'll play some of that later.

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He's the guy that said, you know, he prays for Obama,

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you know, to be brought down, which is biblical,

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got demonized for that.

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So it's Steve Anderson,

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the aggressively homophobic preacher.

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We did an episode about him in the past.

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Yeah.

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So we don't need to go over too much of his history,

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but I was interested because I didn't remember him

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doing some biblical praying for Obama to be brought down.

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Alex is describing that as really innocuous.

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Yeah, well, some people just pray for the president

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to be quote, brought down.

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But I think you hear Pat Robertson

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or Jim Baker do that every day.

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Yeah.

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I think you do.

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And I think they probably do it in a way

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that you could describe as like, I don't like it,

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but you're not doing what Steve Anderson did.

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Well, when Pat Robertson started praying

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for some second amendment people to take care of Obama,

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that was a little bit too far, right?

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We would never allow that kind of behavior.

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Well, here's what Steve Anderson did.

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Yeah.

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In 2009, the day before Obama was scheduled

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to make an appearance in Phoenix,

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Anderson gave a sermon that included clear exclamations

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that he hated Obama,

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and he felt that Obama could not be saved.

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So praying for him was pointless.

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Well, then he loves the Bible.

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That's something that the Bible regularly talks about is,

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yeah.

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Quote, I'm not going to pray for his good.

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I'm gonna pray that he dies and goes to hell.

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When I go to bed tonight, that's how I'm gonna pray.

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The next day at Obama's speech,

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a man named Christopher Broughton showed up

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with a loaded AR-15 to Obama's speech,

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which ultimately was probably more of a PR stunt

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than anything else, but it's deeply fucked up.

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There's so much more, this is so much worse

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than a pastor praying to be free of a government figure

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he finds oppressive.

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This is him praying for Obama's death from the pulpit.

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Then one of the people who was in the congregation

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when he gave that speech showing up at Obama's speech

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the next day with a loaded weapon.

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The PR stunt is a threat in and of itself,

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and everybody involved understands that,

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but that's exactly what they're trying to normalize,

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and they were.

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That's what they were doing.

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And they did a good job of it.

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I mean, good job is a weird way to put it, but yeah.

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Well.

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So we did, like I said, we did an episode

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on Steve Anderson a ways back,

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and he's that incredibly homophobic pastor

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who wants gays to die.

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God, on our show, Dan, you're gonna need more than that.

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Well, he's the one who used to go on Alex's show,

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but now hates him and thinks he's boring, so there's that.

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I'm just saying that that's,

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we got a deep well of people to pull from there.

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Right.

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A little fun update on Steve Anderson.

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He was recently in the news

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after he became the first person ever

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to be banned from Ireland.

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Good, good for him.

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And that was just on the heels

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of him getting banned from the Netherlands.

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The last two Americans banned from the Netherlands

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were Richard Spencer and devout racist Jared Taylor,

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so he's in good company.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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These were just two of the 26 European countries

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that banned Steve Anderson in the span of a week.

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26 European countries?

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Did that also get voted on in the EU elections?

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Was there a general referendum to ban Steve Anderson?

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Nope, I think they were all just places

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he had planned to visit on a tour,

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and they were like, no. Gotcha, no, no, thank you.

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And those 26 European countries

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joined Jamaica, South Africa, the UK, and Canada

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as countries where that piece of shit isn't welcome.

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Man, why is he still allowed here?

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We can get rid of him, right?

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We can remove his citizenship.

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32 countries have decided that Anderson

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and his hate preaching and his calls to kill gay people

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are not welcome within their borders.

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Incidentally, you know who still welcomes him

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with open arms?

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YouTube.

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YouTube, he still has a YouTube channel.

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Really?

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And Twitter, he still has a Twitter account.

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What?

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Yeah.

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You can get banned from countries

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before you get banned from YouTube and Twitter?

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Crazy.

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That seems nuts.

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Insane how little they care.

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They do not care.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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Yep.

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Anything to get views and retweets and clicks going.

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Anyway, here he is, back on Alex's show,

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just fucking going for it,

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talking about post-Trib rapture.

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Okay.

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As you go back to this,

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this got pushed by the globalists about 150 years ago.

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Exactly.

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Because they were sick of Christians always fighting evil.

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Exactly.

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They said, don't worry about it,

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go have some fun.

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Scotty's up there, he's gonna beam you.

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So yeah, Scotty's gonna beam you up

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before any of the trouble.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, don't worry about it.

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So, pre-Trib rapture, globalist conspiracy theory,

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bada-bing, bada-boom.

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That makes the least sense of anything

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I can possibly consider.

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Yeah, it's pretty nuts.

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That is, that makes no sense from a,

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like from a strategy standpoint?

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It makes no sense from a goal standpoint?

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Nah.

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So, he gets a call, the two of them.

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They start taking some calls.

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Okay.

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And they get a call from a guy in Australia

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who wants to talk about Carol Quigley

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and the book Tragedy and Hope.

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And, you know, whatever.

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He just talks about a passage that I'm positive

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we've talked about this before.

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It's a passage that Alex is completely misrepresenting,

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his caller is misrepresenting.

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Quigley is talking about historically

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the difference between eras that are characterized

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by complex and simple weapons.

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And when there are simple weapons with an ease of use

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for people like spears or something along those lines,

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then you have a situation where power is much more diffuse

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because people are able to fight with each other.

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They have the weapons, get big groups together

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and have conflicts.

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Whereas in more specialized times when you have,

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I don't know, drones, it becomes power,

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can tend to become much more concentrated.

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Alex reads that and thinks, well,

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that means that they want to create specialized weapons

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in order to create consolidation and authoritarian power,

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as opposed to it being a descriptive analysis

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of how history has tended to go.

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So anyway, I don't really care too much about that,

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but Alex does point out that he and his buddies

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completely stole the intellectual property

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of Carol Quigley and then it turns into a sales pitch.

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Now, the plates got out and Patriot groups

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associated with the John Birch Society and others

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printed tens of thousands of these up in the 70s

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and there were even threats of legal actions and things,

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but the point is they backed off

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and we found the publisher that republished that we do.

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I wasn't getting to sell the book today,

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but the caller from Australia called in and said,

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have you read what's on page 1200, The Unfolding of Time?

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So for Alex, I mean,

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somebody who loves personal private property,

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which extends to intellectual property rights, certainly.

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No, we got the plates.

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So I mean, Carol Quigley's book, Tragedy and Hope,

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they only printed so many copies

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because it was a scholarly text.

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There wasn't a huge market for it.

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So why would you print fucking tons of copies?

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Especially if it's well over 1200 pages.

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There wasn't a demand for this.

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So Alex and his Patriot buddies started reprinting them,

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which is a direct violation

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of his personal private property rights.

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So they don't even believe their own principles

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when it comes to some sort of way

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that they can disseminate messages and misinterpret.

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Not at all.

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So, and then Alex sells it on his website now.

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Of course, of course.

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So that was a little sales pitch for that.

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Wonderful.

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But you might think that based on the fact

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that Alex sells Tragedy and Hope.

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Stolen.

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The fact that he thinks that Carol Quigley

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has admitted the entire globalist plan in this book,

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the fact that he brings it up all the time,

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you might think that he has read it.

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In this next clip,

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he shows himself to be like a college sophomore

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talking about infinite jest.

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And yes, I read most of this book.

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I'm gonna be honest with you, it's 1300 pages long.

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I read most of it back in about 1996

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and a few years ago, I tried to read it again.

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I'm gonna be honest, I haven't read the whole thing.

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But the whole deal is how we control the left and the right.

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We want there to be the illusion of choice.

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We want to bankrupt people, make them dependent

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only we'll be able to operate.

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We like fascism, we like socialism, we like communism.

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As long as it centralizes, we hate libertarianism.

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We hate freedom because it makes people uppity.

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In what possible world does an Alex Jones exist

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who hasn't read the entirety of a guy

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admitting the global plan?

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Alex Jones can't possibly believe

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that this is sincerely an admission of the global plan.

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Yeah, he tried to read it

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and could not make a hide nor tale of it

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and decided he quit.

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That's unacceptable.

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It is the way everybody read Finnegan's Wake.

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That's unacceptable.

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Yeah, it is. It's 100% unacceptable.

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Because if you or me doesn't finish

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a portrait of an artist as a young man, whatever.

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That's fine.

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However, if you're a fucking person

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who is a Joyce scholar and you haven't finished it,

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go fuck yourself.

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It does seem like that undercuts my scholarly credits.

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Yeah, if you're super passionate about the subject matter

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and you present yourself as an expert on it,

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you better goddamn well have finished the book

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because how could you not?

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How could you not?

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You would be, you would have read it multiple times,

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1300 pages is long, but it's not that long.

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Right, I'm a Joyce scholar, but it's like,

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I'm not really into what he wrote.

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You know what I mean?

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I like James.

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Now hear me out.

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Jimmy James, love him.

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Now hear me out on that.

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That's a completely different area of scholarship

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and I'm totally fine with that.

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I'm not fine if that person then presents themselves

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to also be a scholar on things they haven't fucking read.

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Well, I am a veterinarian that prescribes

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fake pills to people.

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So I think there's a lot of leeway.

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That's a fucked up moment.

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How dare he?

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How dare he?

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I tried to read it in 96, couldn't make it,

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I tried to get, yeah, what are you going to do?

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I had to go fucking fishing.

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Yeah, I assumed that he hadn't read it,

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but hearing him say it out loud is such a betrayal.

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I want you to lie to me quietly.

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It's a betrayal of the pretense.

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Yeah, yeah, we come into this with an agreement

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that you pretend to at least believe the bullshit you say.

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It's also a tacit sort of permission to his audience.

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You don't have to read it either.

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Yeah, yeah, of course not.

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Even I didn't read it.

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He's selling it, and he's like,

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I'm not reading that shit.

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No, I know what other people have told me about it.

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And I can make all the conclusions in the world

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that I want based on those mischaracterizations

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of six pages of the book that I've read.

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And I'm going to be honest,

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I know the people who are telling me about it,

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and I really don't think they've read it either.

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I mean, it's a really long book.

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I think he's probably read like six or seven pages of it.

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Yeah, that makes sense.

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The pages that- The relevant portions.

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Yeah, or he's only read- Or the irrelevant portions.

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The passages that are misrepresented in Skousen.

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Right.

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I think it's entirely possible.

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That's the only access to the book he has,

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which is a big problem.

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Yeah, and the only person that we can guarantee

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has read it is Skousen, because that's the only way

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he can get those quotes. I'm not sure he did.

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I'm not sure he read the whole thing.

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Well, the whole thing is long, though.

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13 fucking hundred pages, man.

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That's long.

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Yeah.

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You know who's read it?

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Carol Quirrelly.

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Quirrelly.

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Maybe that's it.

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So, in this next clip, Alex discusses like,

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okay, so this caller called in,

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and he was talking about the gun stuff in Tragedy and Hope,

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and Alex had a vague memory of that.

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Sure.

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Caller was bringing this up,

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and I remember reading this when he was saying it,

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and I knew he wasn't lying,

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because I had the remnants of the memory of that.

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I guess that's what the beginning of wisdom is.

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You don't remember it all.

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You just remember pieces.

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You know the person's being accurate.

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And he says right here,

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we don't want the general public having arms,

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because it makes it a free society,

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and we can't stand up against them.

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We want specialized armies to basically oppress them.

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And he goes on to talk about how,

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you know, basically the founders wanted a citizen army

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in Western civilization and freedom,

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and they don't want that, so.

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No.

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That's embarrassing stuff.

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Like, that's an embarrassing level

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of unawareness of the topic you're covering.

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I have a remnant of a memory,

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and I guess that's the beginning of wisdom.

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Right.

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Dan?

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Brevity is the soul of wit,

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and a vague memory is the basis of wisdom.

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Yeah, that sounds right.

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That's not good.

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So, in this next clip, they're in overdrive now.

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And so, like, we talked about this

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at the beginning of the show,

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like, he does an extra hour on a whim,

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and it's because this guy brings up Carol Quigley,

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and Alex gets really excited

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to try and remember what he was about.

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Yeah, or at least gather his remnants.

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Yeah, and then also he's so into

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this post-Trib rapture stuff.

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So, he and Steve just, they're doing some,

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it's not Jerome Corsi level banter,

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but the two of them are hitting it off quite well

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in terms of just like, yeah, absolutely.

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This is, the globalists playing the pre-Trib rapture.

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Everybody fucking knows it.

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Of course, of course.

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And so, Alex is pitching Steve's work,

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and you've gotta give it to all your pastor friends.

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And then, a word comes up that has become

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sort of relevant to us recently.

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Discernment?

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It's very important to get all your preachers out there.

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They'll probably curl up like snakes and hiss at you

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and pull out a pitchfork.

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But, no, most of them don't know.

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It's our job to challenge them.

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I'm not on some high horse either here, folks.

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I mean, I'm Mr. Goody Two-Shoes,

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just that I know right from wrong,

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I know deception from the truth,

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is I have discernment.

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I mean, anybody who has discernment

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would just be freaking out over all this.

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Especially when you integrate it with history

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and everything else and what the globalists are doing,

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it just, the more I learn about the New World Order,

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and then the more I go to the Bible,

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it's like, oh my gosh, now I,

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I could only now, 38 years old, almost 39,

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39 a couple days, actually understand the Bible.

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And it's just so deep now.

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Whoa.

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Man, I was,

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Whoa.

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Have you ever read this Bible shit,

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but like really read it?

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Jesus, that's, eesh.

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Is discernment a coded word that we're not aware of?

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Are they just so good at coding words

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they even got discernment somehow?

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I think there is a religious connotation to it,

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but I think it's interesting

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because I don't necessarily think

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that it has that same use in when,

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like Kevin Moore or Carrie Cassidy is saying it.

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Yeah.

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I don't think that they're coming from the same position,

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but Alex is using it fairly similarly,

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but there is a religious code here.

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Oh, for sure.

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There is something there, yeah.

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But discernment, very, very important for liars.

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I never, I can't even remember the last time

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I said discernment in any context.

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Well, I think it's a really powerful and useful way

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to make people distrust their own intuition

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because it's like, you might have read the Bible

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and have your ideas about it,

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but I have discernment and I'm able to discern things

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that you aren't able to.

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Yeah.

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So if you build up enough, like,

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cred for your discernment, you have discernment cred,

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you could get people to over,

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override their own intuition, their own perspective.

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They'd be like, well, they must know better.

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They have good discernment.

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Ooh.

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So we have two clips coming up here

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and they are just Steve saying weird things about the Bible.

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Okay.

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The first is about weaponry.

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You know, the Bible definitely is very clear

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that every single person should have a weapon.

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You know, all the way back to the book of Deuteronomy,

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he talks about every single citizen having a weapon

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and having a paddle on the back of their weapon

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and so forth.

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Because it restrains evil.

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And then also even Jesus Christ himself

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in the Garden of Gethsemane said,

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hey, if you don't have a sword, you need to sell your coat.

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And they try to spin that now

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and say it was misinterpreted.

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And he was talking about a literal sword.

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They pulled out two literal swords and said,

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Lord, we have two swords.

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And he said, it's enough.

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And so the disciples had swords.

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All right, everybody got swords.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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It's not first Kings, it's Second Amendment Kings.

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Okay, cool.

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Jesus.

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And in this next one,

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we learn that religion and the government

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that would be prescribed by the Bible

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is more in line with Alex than you might think.

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Romans 13 is really clear

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about what the purpose of government is.

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The only purpose of government,

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which is the punishment of evildoers.

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Evildoer meaning someone,

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evil in the Bible means harming someone else.

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So it's to punish people-

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It's the libertarian of-

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Exactly.

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Exactly right.

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And so God never gave the government-

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No initiation of force.

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Exactly.

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And so God never gave the government

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the authority to regulate our lives.

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But maybe Romans 13,

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the way these mainline preachers say, maybe.

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So here-

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I hate you so much.

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Here's the problem with this.

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They're basically saying that God's a libertarian

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and the government that God would enact

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or would like based on the Bible

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is a libertarian government

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based on the non-aggression principle.

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Right.

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Maybe this God guy is stupid too.

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Well, here's the problem.

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Steve then says,

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God didn't say that the government can regulate our lives,

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but how do you enforce the non-aggression principle

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without regulating?

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We talked about it when we made fun of Stefan Molyneux.

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The idea of the non-aggression principle applied

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universally involves deep regulation of businesses

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in terms of pollution,

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because you can't-

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Can't initiate harm.

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You can't initiate a secondhand smoke on people

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because that is an aggression.

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Yep.

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You know, you'd have to completely regulate-

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Pollution.

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So many.

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Period.

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So many aspects of people's lives.

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You wouldn't be able to allow cars.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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You just can't.

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And so a government that operated off that,

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that God would be-

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Cool with.

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Involves intense regulation.

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So that's kind of a little bit of a contradiction

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for these dumb-dumbs.

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They don't like to think all the way through things.

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They just like to say that.

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They just like to fucking apply it to taxes.

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Anyway, they talk a lot about the pre-

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and post-trib rapture stuff.

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And personally, I don't really care

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about those arguments much.

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I like pre- and post-tribe rap.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Sure. Quest.

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Yeah.

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I can see where Alex's insistence

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on post-trib rapture comes from.

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Like, although I would suggest that just because

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you're personally not getting raptured

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before the tribulation,

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that doesn't mean that the natural conclusion

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is to just not care and allow an evil system

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to take hold and hurt everybody.

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No, I'm pretty sure that's morally cool

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with what God likes.

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Well, I mean, Christian charity

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isn't just a self-serving thing.

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People work to feed the poor

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whose hunger they can't personally feel.

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So his idea that knowing the rapture is coming

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means you shouldn't resist

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is kind of simplistic and self-centered on its face.

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And I don't think that it accurately depicts

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what a lot of Christians believe

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is what motivates their charity

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and their caring for people.

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You would at least hope not.

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Not in my experience.

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I believe that there's a lot of people

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who even should the rapture be pre-tribulation

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would still, it wouldn't change their perspective.

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Alex is very much narcissistic-y on that.

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So we have one last clip

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and it should just give you a sense

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of how Alex is treating callers on this show.

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He talks to that Australian-

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You're a dick!

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He talks to that Australian guy

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who wanted to bring up Carol Quigley for quite a while.

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That goes on a long time.

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But for the most part, it's more like this,

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where Alex goes to a call as the end of the show

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music is playing.

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All right, listen, folks, we're out of time here.

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Sorry to the other callers.

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I wanted to go to Nick in Pennsylvania.

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Last words from Nick in Pennsylvania, 30 seconds.

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Take us out.

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Nick, Nick.

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Okay, Alex, I just wanted to say to you,

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God bless you, God bless Pastor Anderson.

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You, like Elvis, are a living legend.

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No, no, you are.

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See you this Sunday, four to six central.

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That's the end of the show.

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That is a solid way to get a caller

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off of whatever it is they wanted to say

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and just write on to like,

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15 seconds to compliment me.

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You're the best, God bless you, we'll see you next year.

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So I don't know, this show was really upsetting to me

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on many levels because there is that trend

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that you can feel of the religiosity

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and the endgame-y stuff.

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And then you see like, oh, each of these could be explained

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by one of these guests, and these guests

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are both incredibly fucked up people.

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It still doesn't make sense how fucking different it is

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from January 31st, January 30th, January 29th, in 2013.

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It is very different.

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All the stuff he was talking about has been left aside.

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There is no Piers Morgan talk.

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There is barely any Obama's the devil,

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maybe the devil, but not as much impeachment talk

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in the way that he's been focusing.

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There's very little even, they're gonna take our guns talk.

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This is one of the, like, and I think this has happened

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at least once, maybe two or three times

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in every investigation that we've done

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where it's been like, okay, well this episode,

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for some reason, parked in between this long string

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of bullshit is evergreen and you have no idea

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what year it could have come from.

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I strongly disagree it's evergreen,

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but it's kind of a bottle episode.

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Yeah, it's a bottle episode.

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It exists weirdly detached from the surrounding context.

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So I don't know, I mean, it's unsatisfying for me

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on many levels because I want to understand

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the trajectory through 2013,

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and I don't think this gives us anything.

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I think it just shows us, you know,

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that he has these ideas that have been there forever.

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Certainly, he's a psychic thing.

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We now see six years ago,

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he was saying the exact same thing.

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Almost word for word.

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And then you can see clear demonstrations

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of his inability or unwillingness

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to do any kind of research into the topics

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that he claims to be expert in.

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The no king but King Jesus,

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claiming it comes from the American Revolution time,

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John Adams and shit, absolutely not.

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He has not looked into that in any meaningful way.

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He's just accepted quote unquote patriot lore about it.

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He has not read Carol Quigley's book by his own admission.

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He's tried and failed to read it.

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Something that he claims to be an expert on.

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Dr. Eric Pianka, he claims he looked into his slideshow,

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but it's fucking Skeletor that he's talking about,

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not a pile of Rwandan skulls.

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This is bullshit.

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So even if it is a bottle episode,

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we get nothing necessarily in terms of

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the grander picture of his Sandy Hook path.

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It's still worth it for what a damning indictment this is

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of his ability to do his own job.

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Yeah, this has just been a long string of him

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just really not knowing anything about anything.

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Oh, you mean the last two and a half years of doing the show?

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Yeah, but sometimes at least he pulls out something

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that this one is more like just admitting

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that he has no interest in learning about anything.

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Yeah, I do feel that way about it.

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Anyway, we'll be back on Friday.

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Indeed we will.

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But until then, we have a website.

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We do, it's knowledgefight.com.

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That's right, we're on Twitter.

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At knowledge underscore fight and I'm at go to bed Jordan.

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We're on Facebook.

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We are on Facebook and we are also on the iTunes,

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which I guess will no longer be something

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that we're on anymore since it won't exist very shortly.

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Oh shit, we're on Apple podcast.

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Yeah, I guess.

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I don't know, what do we do?

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Migrate.

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Oh no.

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All right, fine, I'll get on Spotify.

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Hey.

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But you know, we've come to the end of this

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and I would say Eric Pianka.

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Yeah.

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I don't think he's killed anybody.

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Yeah, because we've already used Quigley.

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Yeah.

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We've already used the Quigs.

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Yeah, probably.

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Yeah.

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Dr. Eric Pianka is a little bit of a sensational speaker

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and prone to...

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Skeletors.

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Crankiness.

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Certainly, pretty cranky.

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But also with a sense of humor and I appreciate that.

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But he's never killed anybody.

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But one guy, technically, probably has

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and that is Alex Jones.

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan, I love your work.

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I love you.