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Hey everybody, Dan here.

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Just wanted to give a slight introduction to this episode because some of you out there

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might be asking yourselves, wait a second, Alex Jones' world is Looney Tunes right now.

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It is crazy out of control with Donald Trump threatening or alleging or suggesting he's

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going to declare a national emergency and Alex being like, hooray about it and yeah,

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it is crazy and unfortunately this episode does not cover any of that stuff.

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The issue we had was that because of our schedules, we had to record this on Monday.

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So before a lot of that stuff got going in earnest and before the cycle of Alex Jones'

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coverage and Trump's actual speech had a chance to play itself out.

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So because of our time restraints and constriction this week, I decided to just go ahead with

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this Wacky Wednesday episode and then on Friday cover all of the happenings there.

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So I know that everyone is probably very interested in hearing about that and trust me, Alex is

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way out of his mind and being a real dickhole.

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But it'll be worth the wait.

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We will have that episode for you on Friday.

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But for now, please enjoy this episode where your Wednesday will get a little wacky.

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody.

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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

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I'm Dan.

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I'm Chuck.

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We're a couple dudes.

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I like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh, indeed we are Dan.

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Hi.

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Dan.

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Yep.

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Who's your favorite Spice Girl?

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Spice Girls.

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Let's see.

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Probably Sporty.

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I don't know.

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Which one was Sporty Spice?

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She was the one who would wear like athletic gear and do kicks around and stuff like that.

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I don't know.

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It seemed like an interesting choice back then.

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I don't think you know, I think you're just reverse engineering her name.

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No.

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No.

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Sporty Spice was one of them.

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There's no doubt about that.

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No, I know Sporty Spice was one of them.

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But what are, you're defining characteristics are just if you asked a child what Sporty

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was like.

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I don't know.

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I just, I didn't, I felt like most people I knew or most dudes that I knew who had crushes

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on one of the Spice Girls, they would go with baby if they were a creep or they would go

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with Jerry, Ginger Spice if they were boring, if they were sort of normal dudes.

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And then I guess Posh Spice, people were fans of hers and then Scary Spice and she was like

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married to Eddie Murphy and I'm like, I don't know, I'm not interested in this.

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That's the scarier.

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That's the scary part.

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I don't know.

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It turns out I have a lot of thoughts about Spice Girls I haven't considered.

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Haven't thought about them in a very long time.

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Me neither.

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But I also asked that question that I was like, I don't know who any of the Spice Girls

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are.

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I think I remember Ginger.

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I'm going to stick to my guns on this.

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I like Sporty Spice.

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You like Sporty Spice?

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Yep.

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This is a show where I know a lot about Alex Jones and the Spice Girls.

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And I don't know anything about either except for what you have told me so far.

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Spice Up Your Life, Jordan.

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Was that a song of theirs?

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Yes, it was.

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Every Boy and Every Girl, Spice Up Your Life.

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Oh really?

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It was one of their later hits after Wannabe.

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So Jordan, we had a fun, wacky Wednesday episode to go through today that I think will be an

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interesting journey for one and all involved in this here affair.

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But before we get to today's show and the meat of it, I'd like to take a moment to say

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All kings, versions of the Bible, or a guy named Brent so far.

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That's true.

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You are good at making connections.

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We appreciate it oh so very much.

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You are now a technocrat.

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Four stars.

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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark.

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Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop.

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

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He's a loser, little kitty baby.

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I don't want to hate black people.

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I renounce Jesus Christ.

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Thank you so much Lawrence.

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Thank you very much Lawrence.

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Hell yes.

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So Jordan, today we got ourselves an interesting wacky Wednesday investigation.

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It's been a while since we've gone and checked in with Project Camelot to see how Carrie

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Cassidy is doing over there.

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For sure.

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So I felt like it's due for us to go see.

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Now granted she doesn't have any good episodes lately.

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Of course not.

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It's been a no man's land over there.

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That would be disastrous.

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But I decided to look back through the archives and see if there's anything that would be

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relevant to our interest and maybe something that would be illuminating about a lot of

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the stuff that we cover.

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And I happened to find an episode that she did in April 2016 with a gentleman by the

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name of Dr. John Waterman.

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Dr. John Waterman?

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Now I should tell you that's not his real name.

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Fine.

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He's using an alias.

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Is he a real doctor?

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Well, let's let him...

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Oh God no.

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Let's go to his introduction and we can find out if he's a real doctor or not.

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What I'd like you to do is give some of your background for people that haven't been familiar

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with the Waterman Files.

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The Waterman Files is his website and I believe it's another shortwave show he does.

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Of course.

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And John does a show weekly, maybe even daily.

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I don't know how often you're doing it nowadays, John.

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You can fill me in.

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Gotta Google it.

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But I do want to say that he was trained as an intelligence agent and decided not to pursue

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that line of work.

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That happens a lot.

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But as a consequence, he's highly aware of what the intel agencies are doing.

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And he was also head of one of the militia groups for a while and he can tell you more

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about that.

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So John, go ahead.

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Spoiler alert.

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He doesn't tell us more about being the head of one of these militia groups.

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What are you talking about?

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That's the only thing I want to know about.

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I'm very curious about it myself.

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Yes, absolutely.

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But it is interesting because John Waterman is not his real name.

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So it's not like I'm going to be able to find who he is.

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I can't figure out who he is.

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And it's a fairly common name.

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There's a number of, if you Google John Waterman, you're never going to be able to nail down

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exactly who this guy is.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There was the film director, John Waters, man.

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My name's of course synonymous with doctor and yes, I am not a PhD.

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I'm an ND.

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Not an M.

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I am a doctor of biological medicine.

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It's basically alternative drugless therapies that I provide.

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He's a naturopath.

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There you go.

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You're not a doctor.

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So it is sort of like interesting that Dr. John Waterman is his name.

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He's going by and he's neither a doctor nor a John Waterman, which is a bad start to this

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interview.

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If you told him not a Dr. John Waterman, that would be fine.

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That's a very literal meaning of his name.

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Not a doctor, not a John Waterman.

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That's his new name.

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But he is on camera, so he can't be too interested in protecting his anonymity because any number

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of people who may know him would see him.

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So whatever it is, it's all just kind of a little bit Connie kind of nonsense.

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Yeah, it's a little showmanship.

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So at this point he gets into how he became trained as an intelligence agent.

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And that's my second career, and as I began this second career, a fellow that then became

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a very, very good friend of mine, Frank Shin, who's now gone, was who recruited me.

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He came to me when I was doing clinical work and said, I'd like to have you check me out.

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So I did, and he came back and he said, I need some more help.

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And so about the third trip in to me, he said, while I was doing clinicals, he says, I'd

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like to take you out for dinner.

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So long story short, this Frank Shin is like recruiting him.

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He goes and he takes him out to dinner and he's like, I want to make you an agent or

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whatever.

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And then he gets trained and all this.

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He's involved in a bunch of stuff, but he's like, no, medicine is my true love.

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You're a naturopath, first of all.

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Second of all, big red flags with this story right off the bat.

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Of course, the person who could confirm all of this is gone.

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I may have written that down as a big red flag.

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I actually may have made a giant flag out of your red blanket.

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Might be something that is super consistent in these worlds that make me very suspicious

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when I hear that is part of someone's backstory.

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Anybody who can confirm all of this nonsense that I say.

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He's gone now.

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Sure.

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Why aren't you giving me condolences?

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Why are you asking me for more information, Dan?

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You should be, you should be saying that you're sorry for my loss to, well, condolences.

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So he's not trying to frame this as like, I got taught the ways of the agent, but then

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I walked away from it in this next clip.

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He's going to explain.

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He was in the shit.

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He was, wait, what?

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He said he walked away from it.

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He does say that later, but I don't understand at what point he walked away because he's

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going to say that he was involved in like the investigation of the Oklahoma city bombing.

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And he says that the movie spy game is about him and this guy, Frank.

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That sounds right.

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Frank is a Robert Redford and he is Brad Pitt.

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Oh, how does he look?

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I'm not making, he doesn't look like Brad Pitt.

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I'm not making any of this up.

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It's all in this next clip.

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And I was in several places across this globe involved in things and he had me domestically

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on things like helping to run down Joe number, John Doe, number two, the Oklahoma city bombing.

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And I ended up in rebellions like the Chiapas rebellion in Mexico, the revolution in Mexico.

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This is high level stuff, man.

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If he was involved in the investigation, like running down the John Doe, number two after

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Oklahoma city, I don't understand.

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That's high level, clear stuff.

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And being involved in a foreign revolution, it's like, all right, can we just one more

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red flag?

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Uh, if his origin story is, uh, this, uh, Intel operative from, and I assume he names

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the agency later on.

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I don't think so.

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It, isn't that another convenient aspect here?

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It's CIA.

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It's probably CIA, whatever.

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So they are going to a naturopath who is working in a clinical setting at the time, working

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towards his, not a doctorate.

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And they went a few times.

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So like the first time they were like, he was going there to check them out and just

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be like, Hey, I don't know if this naturopath is good enough for the psy, uh, psy ops industry.

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Go back again, go back one more time.

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Then he invites him out to dinner.

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Now this to me suggests he thinks that we're talking men in black because isn't that how,

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isn't that how Will Smith was?

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That's not how they really recruit.

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Well, they don't take you out to dinner first and then they're like, Hey, join the CIA.

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Much like everybody else in these worlds.

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Uh, uh, uh, whether it's info wars or project Camelot, they get most of their ideas about

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how things work off of movies.

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But unlike those people, but unlike those people, not only does he take his inspiration

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for movies, he himself is an inspiration for a movie during the revolution and life imitates

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and many other spots in the world.

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And um, so I think maybe when he called me and told me they made a movie about it, I

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thought he was joking, but he says, I, he says, but I did pretty good.

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I'm Robert Redford.

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I said, well, you lucky duck.

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And I began to realize at that point, he's not, he's not fooling.

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This is not a joke.

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And I said, Frank, how did they know?

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You know, and I started getting all upset and he says, Hey, and he never would answer.

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He just said, Hey, you did very good cause you're, uh, you're Robert.

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You're not Robert Redford.

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You're Brad Pitt.

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Yeah.

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I go, Oh, I said, you're serious.

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And he just hung up, you know, he just, that's why he's a goof.

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Why wouldn't he just continue the conversation?

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You're still friends.

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Right?

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No, it was time to go.

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Oh, okay.

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Time to go.

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Frank.

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Frank had had enough.

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It was conversation over.

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You were Brad Pitt.

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Bang slamming down a eighties dial-up phone.

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I imagine if that conversation happened, which it didn't, but if it did, what it was was,

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uh, John over here, John Waterman getting pissed off that he didn't get to be Robert

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Redford.

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And then the guy on the other end of the phone is like, you did pretty good.

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You're Brad Pitt, but it's in the middle of a fight and he's sick of the shit.

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Fuck you, you son of a bitch.

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So I have, I have a lot of concerns about his credentials.

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I have a lot of concerns about his backstory, but he's not here just to talk about his backstory.

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Oh, he's here to tell us the future.

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Well, kind of yes.

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And the present.

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And that is in 2016, the earth was going through some changes.

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There was some vibrational changes that were happening that were going to alter our DNA.

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Didn't expect this.

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Did he, did he learn about that in nature about school?

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Robert Redford taught him about it, not a doctor at school, possibly.

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And we received these messages and, or changes in interpretations and we interpret them, the

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DNA interprets them.

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And we can get into that in a minute because there's some new discoveries.

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And uh, one of the things that, uh, okay, but I also want, I want to say that, uh, you

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know, there, the evidence was even Paul Laviolette talked about it.

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Uh, he talked about, you know, what is in essence, a super wave that was possibly headed

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our direction.

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But aside from that, that we're going through an area of space where this is going to happen.

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And uh, and so the DNA is supposed to be changing.

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This isn't a bad thing.

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This is kind of like a reclamation of the 2012 Mayan apocalypse prophecies when it didn't

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come to pass though.

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A lot of that energy got funneled into vibrational changes happening and, uh, another couple

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of years down the road.

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It's that, it's that sort of thing.

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I just say my favorite, favorite, favorite parts of every, and I've missed it so much.

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My favorite part of every Project Camelot episode is the guest or Carrie just saying

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uh huh or right to the single most outlandish, ridiculous possible thing that could possibly

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be said.

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And I'm like, yeah, of course, move on.

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That's taken as read.

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It's kind of like a good improv game or whatever.

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They're just like, uh, I say something crazy.

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Oh yeah, no, for sure.

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Always affirm.

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Of course, of course.

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Yeah, no, of course we're going through an area of space where they change our DNA.

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Yeah, of course.

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Yeah, no, no, keep going.

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This is actually a good thing.

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And um, and you know, I don't know how, what you're looking at or what evidence you're

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looking at, but I can tell you that it is raising the vibration of the planet and the

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humans.

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Uh, now there are some people who won't be able to handle the vibration change and they'll

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go the opposite direction from what I've heard.

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It'll be bad.

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It would be bad.

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We have to be compatible with the uh, well, we could say the frequency that the planet

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emits.

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It's like either you're compatible and in tune with it or you're dissonant with it.

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You will become, uh, you will actually begin to buffer it rather than flow with it.

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It's kind of like those movies like we see with uh, Dune, you know, let it flow through

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you.

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Fear is not a problem.

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Just let it flow and if you get in tune with it, you're going to, in other words, resonate

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with it.

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You're better off than trying to fight it.

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He just goes on to explain like, Hey, it's like a current in a river.

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You know, just more examples of a don't fight it.

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Could have just brought up a Kenny Loggins and Steve Perry song.

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Don't fight it.

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Could have.

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Uh, but yeah.

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Surprised that's not a, uh, Ted Nugent song.

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Oh boy.

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Uh, do you want to do it myself?

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Feel bad.

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Do you want to talk about Dune?

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I don't need to.

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I don't need to.

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Everyone.

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Everyone knows.

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Everyone knows that's not the fucking quote, Dan.

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And how dare you butcher those.

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That's one of the best that Frank Herbert did not write a lot of good lines.

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He was a long writer, wrote a lot of lines, wrote a lot of lines, not a lot of good individual

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lines, but the litany against fear from the Ben and Jez are, it is one of the best lines

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in the entire book.

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And how dare you butcher it?

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I think that's the least of his sins.

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Uh, but Oh, was there other things that he said, I mean, I think there's some silliness

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with science.

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I stopped listening when he said, you know, it's, it's, some people are compatible with

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the earth frequency.

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That's an interesting thought.

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I wonder if there's any differences between those sorts of people who are compatible and

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the ones who aren't.

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I don't know.

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I don't know what he thinks.

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Ah, come on.

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Hey, there's definitely no reason to, for me to have said Jews immediately after he

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said that.

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I don't know.

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I don't know what you're talking about.

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And I refuse to even address this, quite frankly.

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It's an offensive idea that this guy has some animosity towards Jewish people, but this

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isn't really what this interview is about.

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Even this idea of vibrational changes and all that stuff is kind of secondary to what

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Carrie wants to talk about, which is, I believe her big issue on this episode is earthquakes.

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She wants to talk about earthquakes that are coming because she had recently come into

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the possession of a map that showed where a lot of recent earthquakes were.

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And she has just like, just like a map.

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She has some suspicions about the placement of these, a map of the Pacific rim, the ring

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of fire.

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Yep.

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It's involved.

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She has some suspicions about it and that leads her to explain that she is a precog,

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which we already knew.

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Oh yeah.

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Of course.

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There's a very weird, I'm going to find a map to show everyone.

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It's on Iris that shows you the entire, what you call the ring of fire.

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And you can see that the United States is actually on the West coast right now, kind

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of empty of earthquakes.

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Very strangely, while the other side has got a lot of activity.

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And again, I think this is caused by manipulation.

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So whether they're trying to build the energy and then cause a huge earthquake.

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And let me just say that Sean David Morton reported on my show that he knows someone

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who, he's an older Israeli man who apparently correctly predicted some things in the past.

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Remember that Sean David Morton is the con man who got arrested when he left that conspiracy

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cruise and also defrauded carry of tens of thousands of dollars.

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Such a great, such a hero of our times.

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What a weirdo.

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Why does she still listen to him?

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Because come on man, did you hear that he got arrested coming off of a cruise ship?

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That's a fucking baller move.

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Including the 2008 crash.

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And he is saying that in November of this year, there's going to be a major event that's

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larger than 9-11 quote unquote.

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Recently Sean sent me a text saying it's going to be an LA quake.

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Now whether that's true or not, I don't know.

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I have seen, I'm a precog and lots of precogs have this, where we've seen a major quake

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in LA.

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There are going to be major volcanic eruptions as well.

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Now how much of this is natural and how much is humanly engineered?

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Because we have a secret government, the Illuminati as we call them, who have a program, an agenda

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they're working for.

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And if it doesn't happen naturally, they will stimulate it to happen.

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So this is really important.

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She's talking about CERN basically there, in terms of being able to control all this

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stuff that she's afraid that the Illuminati, the secret government, or the globalists are

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doing.

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I mean, one of the things is it's all good and well to talk about the alien stuff and

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all that, but you also do need to recognize that behind that, she has the exact same conception

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with slightly different character names and more creativity as Alex does.

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In terms of the cabal that's ruling the world and what have you.

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So you see these indications here and what I want to say is, if she is precognitive,

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if she is psychic, she shouldn't keep having weirdos on her show that are so like, she

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should have seen Sean David Morton ripping her off coming.

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She should have seen that Eddie Page is a racist Pleiadian.

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She should have seen all those things coming in advance.

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No gift is perfect, Dan.

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This one seems very imperfect.

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No, the best baseball players on the planet still get a hit only 365% of the time.

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What?

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No.

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Look, I'm just saying, I'm saying that if we have to believe one of two things, either

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she's not precognitive or she is and enjoys being around these sorts of people.

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Which would be fun.

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Which is-

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Oh man, if she was a psychic fucking with us specifically, like eventually she knew

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that a show like ours would come about and so she could fuck with us by having all these

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weirdos on and still make a little bit of change on the side for her, that's great.

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That's not what I was thinking of.

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I was thinking of more that she's a psychic and she can tell that Eddie Page is a racist

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Pleiadian and then invites him on because that's the message she wants to put out into

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the world.

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She's playing the long game.

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She's playing us.

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She's either a psychic or she's racist.

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That's what I'm saying.

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It's the two of us.

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She has been seeing us coming for forever.

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It could be.

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She knew it was going to happen.

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It's possible.

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So-

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Also, a lot of precogs have predicted a large earthquake in LA.

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Oh yeah?

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I wonder why.

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A lot of scientists have too.

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It's strange that a lot of people, for a place that's notorious for having lots of earthquakes,

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the idea of predicting a large one does not seem too far outside of the realm of possibility.

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A lot of precogs have predicted one in central Missouri too, like the New Madrid fault.

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Yeah, a lot of precogs have seen something there too.

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A lot of precogs?

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Yeah, a lot of precogs.

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Yeah.

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I don't know, man.

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This is whack.

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But it's not nearly as bad as what's about to happen, because Waterman wants to get into

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something that happened to him recently.

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He's undergone some of these earth changes, these vibrational changes that are happening,

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and he has a story that he wants to tell Kerry about it, and this is nuts.

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The changes that are occurring on this planet, I began to seriously make note of it starting

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last November when I ended up in an emergency room three times.

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Odd.

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Didn't go to a naturopath.

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What ended up happening is that I was literally in a very serious state.

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I was bleeding without being cut.

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I was going, holy cow, what's going on, and then I passed.

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I had a severe abdominal pain, and I passed out.

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I was bleeding from my bowels, and I was in an emergency room.

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I went back in another week.

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I went back in another week, and they're doing all these panels.

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They can't find anything.

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They did CAT scans.

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They did X-rays.

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They did blood tests.

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They did cultures to see if I was poisoned.

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They couldn't find a thing.

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There was not a thing they could find until I had a serendipitous event where a fellow

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out of Texas sent me an email that said something about a coronal mass ejection.

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So I go, oh, interesting.

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That is interesting.

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So you just had to shit really hard.

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No, no, no.

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That's a coronal mass ejection.

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Oh, OK.

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All right.

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He's talking about solar flares.

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He's talking about sunspots.

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I thought he meant a colonel.

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No.

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No.

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It's very close by the letter.

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No, so he's had this serious health issue, whatever.

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I think that anybody who actually has studied medicine could probably come up with a better

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diagnosis than I can.

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So I'm not even going to hazard a guess, whatever it is.

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He's a man of a certain age.

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He's not a young spring chicken.

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Unlike many people we talk about, we are not doctors, and we do not say that we are doctors.

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Try not to pretend that.

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So he had something happening, and then he gets an email about a guy who's bringing up

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solar flares, and he's like, huh.

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Better talk to my doctor.

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Interesting.

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Well, he doesn't talk to his doctor.

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That's odd.

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He talks to somebody else.

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Oh, of course.

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And then somebody called me and said, I think I know what it is now.

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This is a remote healer.

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And it does remote healing.

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I think what's going on with you has to do with this, maybe.

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And I said, hmm, so I checked these new coronal mass ejections that had come out, and I started

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plotting them with my emergency room visits.

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And for some reason, out of the blue, I became very sensitive to them.

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I mean extremely sensitive.

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Now it could be because of something was done to me to make me sensitive, or there was literally

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something happening, but I have now got a calendar where I can track it because I am

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very careful and aware of what might be coming.

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And I can tell you I'm extremely sensitive to a lot of things.

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I can walk out on a day where there's a lot of UV, higher levels of it, and I can't be

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out in it.

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I can't feel it.

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So all of a sudden, in November, I have become very sideways of a lot of this.

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And this is not good stuff.

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This isn't like higher vibration stuff.

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This is a tax of some sort.

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So everybody has been helping.

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I had one remote healer contact me and ask me permission to work on me.

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And I said, that'd be great.

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And the very first thing they said, they call me back and said, I can't get anywhere because

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you've been attacked.

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They're blocking everything.

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And that's when we started having to really investigate this potential about warfare at

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a level we haven't thought about.

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If he's making this up, how do you explain the remote healer telling him that he's being

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attacked?

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You can't.

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It's impossible.

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It's impossible to explain how that might be a scam also.

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I'm not going to all I'm saying.

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And I look, if you want to believe what you want to believe, stop believing in remote

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healers.

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Because if a remote healer existed, even one, even one who is like, okay at it, they'd be

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a true billionaire.

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Also, like there would be a whole new class of money to invent just for this healer.

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Or you'd have to like, you would have to then assume that they wish ill on mankind.

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Because there's so many people who aren't getting healed that like, well, if you have

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that gift, you better never stop working because you are the only one.

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You know what's crazy?

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What's that?

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The insurance industry does cover remote healing.

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That is weird.

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They do not cover any pre-existing conditions.

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It's crazy, but they do recover remote healers.

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I just think like, yeah, when your condition is I'm sensitive to solar flares, that's exactly

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when you need a remote healer because it's a zero.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, go for it.

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Yeah.

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But also at the end of that, I love that little turn that he makes where the remote healer

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tells him that he's being attacked so the remote healing isn't working.

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And that leads him to investigate this because how do you investigate this?

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What do you do?

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Well, he was been attacked.

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He met the remote healer back and he was like, Hey, who attacked me?

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The remote healer was like, I will tell you that for another 50 bucks.

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Really outside of that, what is the investigation?

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What do you do?

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You just start looking around to see if anybody is attacked to you.

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Now I'm afraid of the sun.

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Now I'm there.

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Now I'm ready for the attack.

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I guess the only thing is like stay indoors during a solar flare, I guess.

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Did you read a book?

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Maybe.

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Maybe at Google.

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So anyway, you know, we assume that it's some sort of a solar flare thing.

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That's the culprit.

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Yes, we do assume that.

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But you know what?

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John Waterman has some other ideas.

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I think I was being attacked.

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I think I did somehow get poisoned.

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In fact, they did find some, some, um, uh, poison.

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I'd like to take you back to 10 minutes ago when he said they did a bunch of screens to

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see if I was poisoned and found nothing.

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Seems very contradictory.

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Maybe this remote healer found some poison.

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They found some poison.

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They found some poison.

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Sure.

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What isn't poison at the end of the day?

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Hey, moderation and all things.

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Right.

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So I don't know how.

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I have no clue.

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Everybody, it could be remotely done.

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So it was a very, it's been a very interesting, um, uh, experience since, uh, mid November,

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actually late November.

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Well, mid November.

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Thank you, John.

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I, I'm very happy that you, uh, that you made it through and you survived.

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Um, I, I had my own attack, uh, back in a year ago.

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We were calling.

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I definitely know where you're coming from.

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Uh, I had a number of psychics look at the, the information of what happened to me and

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it was, uh, as I say, it was a scalar attack interdimensional, um, what, you know, people

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that are out in the public eye, how they can go under attack by various groups.

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And of course the Illuminati are going to concentrate on those of us who can influence

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others because of what we're saying and what we're putting out there information wise.

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They're too powerful.

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And so the Illuminati is going to focus their energy on people like a Carrie, people like

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a John Waterman.

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Got to get John Waterman.

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If I'm the Illuminati, I'm thinking, get not a Dr. John Waterman out of here.

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Yup.

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So they're the ones who are the targets of these interstellar intergalactic interdimensional

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scalar attacks, or they, I don't know, ate something bad.

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I don't know.

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I'll tell you the, the extent to which he is describing the powerful is mind boggling

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in his world.

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There are both remote healers and remote poisoners.

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Yup.

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So there's a kind of dimensional remote poison healing battle going on and he's taking it

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so well.

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He's just like, well, you know, I go outside and they can poison you anywhere, but Hey,

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what are you going to do?

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What are you going to live in fear?

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Got to keep living.

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He's just, he's just fine with that.

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That's the most terrifying possible thing.

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Well, but see, that's the thing is you're not a real man because a real man that's fair

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creeps behind the curtain and he sees that Lovecraftian eldritch horror and he doesn't

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lose his mind.

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He keeps on fighting.

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He says the litany against fear says, well, sure.

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Yeah.

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You keep going in the face of this terrible other worldly, uh, uh, awful, uh, uh, reality

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that has become, you've now become aware of for sure.

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People who don't have the good, strong stuff.

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Those are the people who see that and they turn tail and start working with the Illuminati

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or they just become a shut-ins and uh, I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I mean, all I'm saying, it seems like a very rational decision.

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If you have on one side, uh, the people who look behind the curtain, uh, and are like,

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I'm going to keep fighting.

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And then on the other side, you're, you look behind the curtain and you see the Illuminati

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has remote healers and remote poisoners.

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I'm going to work with the Illuminati.

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Why not?

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I see no evidence that the Illuminati has remote healers.

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We only know of them as being good guys.

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Ooh, I did not know that.

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In this world so far, we've only heard of them as being on the side of the weirdos.

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Well, you gotta get a remote healer Illuminati.

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What are you guys fucking doing?

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You're losing.

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I think it's implied they do have one, but they seem to only be poisoning people through

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interdimensional, uh, uh, scaler attacks.

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So scalers.

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Yeah.

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So we got the earthquakes that obviously the Illuminati are going to precipitate.

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We've got these earth changes and vibration and stuff like that are causing John Waterman

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to shit blood.

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Watch out.

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Yeah.

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So we got all this, but about halfway through the episode, Carrie finally gets to like what

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the bread and butter is, what she wants to spend most of her time talking about because

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John fancies himself an expert in a couple of topics.

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Oh no.

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There's one question that has to do with, um, what you were talking about with regard

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to FEMA and where they're deploying.

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And then I'd like, um, I know we're going for a long time, but I'd like you to also

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address the financial meltdown because that was part of the, our sort of subject list.

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His two topics are two of the main things that Alex Jones covers on his show.

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The idea that FEMA is somehow up to some shit, uh, and the humming of financial meltdown.

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Hmm.

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I interesting former Intel agent who has been in Oregon orchestrating coups.

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I was finding, finding fucking the, the John Doe number two.

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But guess what?

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I'm an expert on financial crises.

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That's correct.

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The John Doe number two was a, uh, was trained by, uh, Edward Shin to be a stocks and bonds

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trainer.

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Frank.

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Frank Shin.

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Yes.

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No, this was his brother.

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Oh, brother who was in finance.

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He was also passed.

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Yes.

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Uh, I'd love to have him confirm that.

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He's been dead.

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Um, so yeah, and FEMA, like those two things are like so central to Alex's stuff.

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So, you know, we have this guy coming in as a supposed expert of some variety, right?

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Um, and here's what he has to say about FEMA.

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Here we go.

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That's the thing.

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They actually think that FEMA is more about populations that will be on the move.

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Exactly.

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You're, you're, you're right.

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Very much so.

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So they are, I think they're kind of, let's say you've got a, a, a bottle and everybody's

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down in the bottle and everybody has to go through the bottleneck to get out, right?

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They're putting FEMA right there at the bottom.

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They're going to kind of like, Oh, you need help.

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We're right here.

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It's like, they're getting ready, like a catcher to catch the ball.

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Come on, throw me the ball.

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Yeah.

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I mean, they are a emergency management agency, so if you want to manage an emergency response.

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But I don't think that that's actually accurate, but this is the conception of the camps.

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Like they're just phrasing it differently.

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Yeah.

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You know, the idea of, you know, when a crisis happens, FEMA is there to cut off the flow

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of people, which is, you know, just because they're not clearly specifying the camp aspect

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of it.

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They do believe that.

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Oh yeah.

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Of course.

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That is, that is the exact same idea.

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This, this, this evil FEMA organization is only operating because of these crises that

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the Illuminati is going to perpetuate.

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They're going to do that.

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Then the solution is going to be what they already have in mind, which is cutting off

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bottlenecking camps.

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So I've got to have camps.

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It's interesting.

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We're doing this Alex shit here, man.

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Isn't that wild?

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Isn't that wild?

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No.

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No.

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No.

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It makes perfect sense.

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Yeah, I know.

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And I think this is a little bit underwhelming, but I promise you there will be like, as we

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get through this, there will be, uh, you'll see crystal clearly why this is important.

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Can I ask you a question?

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Yes.

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Why is not a Dr. John Waterman, uh, an expert on FEMA camps?

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Is he is a former intelligence agent and, uh, has read a blog or two.

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Maybe I don't know.

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I don't think he, uh, he doesn't specify any like real credentials.

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He talks about like sources he has and stuff like that anonymous vague sources.

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Yeah.

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I have a lot of chatter coming in.

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That's the chatters coming in.

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I got to listen to that.

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Yeah.

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So we got that.

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We got the FEMA camp stuff.

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And then the other subject they wanted to talk about was this financial crash, this

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uh, meltdown of the economy.

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That's coming.

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It's coming.

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And you know what, Hey, Hey, you can say that Carrie is just coming out of this, uh, out

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of nowhere.

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You can even say John is coming out of this out of nowhere, but no, you should know that

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10 years ago, Carrie knew the financial collapse was coming right about when this episode happened.

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Henry Deacon over 10, around 10 years ago, told Camelot, uh, that we were going to, it

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wasn't going to be one set of circumstances that was going to happen in the future.

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And they, and he even, they even told us 2016 and 2017, these are the years guys that we

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were told about 10 years ago, they said, he said that it was going to be a series of things

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that would all happen at the same time.

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So it's not just that we're going to have a major earthquake.

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And that's where I want to get into the financial talk now, because you know, you do have some

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knowledge in that area and there's no doubt that we're having, we're being hit financially

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and there was a plan, a plan, complete change in the system that is supposed to have a deadline

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of the end of 2016 Camelot.

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We're told this by not just one witness, but many witnesses, what do you have to say about

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that part?

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Well, we have, what is it, did I say something?

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I got an echo here.

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I don't know why.

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Okay.

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I'm going to, I'm going to mute myself.

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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I didn't mean for you to have to do that.

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Where we can begin talking about this is that the dollar has been recognized, the US dollar

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has been recognized as a major economic weapon, economic weapon of war.

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So it should surprise you not at all to know that on his blog, the Waterman files on December

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14th, 2018, he posted this quote, the federal reserve act passed by three senators in a

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unanimous vote on the 23rd of December, 1913 while everyone else was home for the holidays.

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So cool.

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Cool, cool, cool.

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Okay.

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That's awesome.

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Isn't that fun?

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This is another one of those.

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This is another one.

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Guys, look, the way our system is currently instituted, there will be another financial

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crash.

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That's literally how it works now.

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They changed the rules and they will not change them back to ensure that every now and then

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there will be a massive financial crash.

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This is predicting an earthquake in LA.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And it's not that they got rid of those rules in order to cause a collapse.

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It's a byproduct of it that people who are benefiting from those changes of rules are

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insulated from by virtue of them being super duper rich.

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They don't feel the consequences of it nearly as much as the people who are hurt by it.

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So that's why they have no impetus to change those rules back to when there were protections

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in place.

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What are you going to do?

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Are you going to protect the workers?

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Yeah, please.

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Nonsense.

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Nonsense.

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What for?

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So we've got this idea that he's putting forth that is that you have the dollar is a weapon

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of some sort.

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Yes.

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Clearly he believes that it was set up in 1913 by these globalist Illuminati bankers.

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Of course.

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These globalist Illuminati bankers.

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Those three fucking senators.

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These three senators.

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Everybody else is not paying attention.

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Right, right.

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And they just snuck through the Federal Reserve.

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And so that's going to precipitate a financial meltdown.

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Hillary's being super irresponsible by going with these dates and pretending she's known

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for 10 years that there's a deadline of the end of 2016 because it's too easy to look

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back on and be like, well, you were very wrong about that.

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So you were wrong for 10 years about that.

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It's not even just a bad prediction.

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All those sources you had were very wrong.

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So there's that piece of it.

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But in his conception, it is this idea that because of the fiat currency, the dollar,

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that is what's going to cause the financial meltdown.

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So it shouldn't surprise you at all that he's also into hard currency.

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Oh, no.

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The thing that we've got going then is anything that is a threat to the dollar then is an

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enemy of the powers that be.

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That's it.

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Bottom line.

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Gold and silver.

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It's an enemy.

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So they controlled it by having these trading London trading desks where the Rothschilds

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and Illuminati of the world made sure that the value of gold stayed down.

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So the Rothschilds and the Illuminati were suppressing the price of gold.

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Alex Jones, when he's trying to sell Ted Anderson's gold, constantly talks about how the globalists

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are suppressing the price of gold.

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So buy it now before it skyrockets.

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All that stuff.

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And when the economy falls apart, that price of gold is going to skyrocket.

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It's going to go right up.

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This is exactly the same shit.

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You're going to be the big short all over again.

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This is exactly the same shit.

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Hi, I'm not a Dr. John Waterman suggesting that you buy not a gold bar.

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Please feel free to buy as many not a gold bars as you would like to buy from not a Dr.

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John Waterman.

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It is interesting.

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This is a message approved by not anybody else.

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I think he has a decent radio voice, but outside of that, I got almost everything he seems

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unqualified to speak on and he's not making a lot of sense.

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But he is sounding a lot like these same paranoid, conspiratorial, uh, you know, patriot type

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community people, which makes sense when we heard earlier that he used to head a militia.

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I really want to know more about that militia thing.

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I really wish I had anything to tell you about it.

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I wish you would have said the name of the militia so I have somewhere to go, but who

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knows?

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It was called the United States Army is what it was called, Dan.

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The greatest militia in the world.

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So John isn't on here just to tell you that gold is really cool.

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He has some other more specific piece of advice to give you now.

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And so they opened up an exchange.

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They cannot call them banks because that's a term for Federal Reserve money.

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What about blood banks?

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What about, uh, uh, uh, sperm banks?

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You can't call that because it's not Federal Reserve money.

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No, those are, those are actually, yeah, whatever.

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They're in the fuck out of here.

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They're insured.

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You can insure up to $250,000 worth of sperm.

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I know that's true.

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When he says they there, he's talking about the people in Utah.

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Utah is one of the only, I think it's the only state, uh, in 2011 they made it so you

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can use gold and silver in order to pay for like a debts and stuff like that, even your

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taxes and stuff like that.

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So that got changed.

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And so there's a, there's like exchanges that have opened in Utah, uh, around this gold

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and silver market that is much different than it is in other states.

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So that's what he's talking about here.

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Our central fiat money.

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So they opened up this group.

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The first one that's opened that I like is UPMA.

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That's the abbreviation, UPMA.org.

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If you go there, you'll see some videos of the secretary of, um, I'm not secretary, the

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attorney general of the state talking, and you'll see a CEO that's running for governor.

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By the way, he runs Overstock, overstock.com.

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So I have almost no doubt in my mind that he's getting money from UPMA, $100 million

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the United Precious Metals Association.

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My reason for that are one, he later says he's not getting paid.

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That means he's getting paid.

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I'm not trying to brag here, but I'm not getting paid by UMA.org.

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Second, he has ads for them on his website, which makes me think that maybe he has a financial

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interest in there.

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Nah.

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And then third, you hear the way he's presenting this is like the one that I really like is

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this and then talks about like you go to the website, you see the attorney general there.

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He's talking about how great UPMA is.

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The CEO from Overstock?

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You know?

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Yeah.

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That thing?

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It's all real credible stuff and you should go there.

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You should?

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You should go check it out.

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So we've now turned the corner here, I think, into this point of the show where he's trying

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to spread fear about, you know, fiat currency and a coming meltdown and stuff like that.

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But to anyone paying close attention, you got to be like, hold on now.

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Are you only doing that because you have a financial interest in UPMA?

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Because it seems like you might.

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He's running the two man game that Alex and Ted used to do by himself.

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Yeah.

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Kerry is not really aware of it.

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I think she's blindsided by this.

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Probably.

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It's exactly like that time Peter Schiff was on the Joe Rogan podcast.

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He went on and was talking about how great gold is and how the market's unsecure and

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stuff like this.

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And Rogan's just like, whoa, like threw most of it.

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And then at the end, Peter Schiff says, also, I want to plug my gold selling business.

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There it is.

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Hey, no!

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Whatever.

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It's like that sort of reveal towards the end.

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You're like, oh, man.

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Also, the way he said UPMA.

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I'm going to say that again.

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UPMA.org.

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Visit their website.

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That is a man who's given a sales pitch in the past.

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That's a man who's a naturopath, Dr. Dan.

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Yeah, it does.

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It feels that way.

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And so in this next clip, we get to see, like, I think that this is almost exactly like how

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Alex does ad pivots.

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Maybe not as bracing, like maybe it doesn't take a turn as quickly.

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But what you see here is an insanely irresponsible level of fear mongering that precipitates

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and leads directly into him bringing back up UPMA and how you should buy gold from them.

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Coming up through June and July, you're going to see some very bizarre stuff, I believe,

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in our financial banking sector.

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I think you're going to see some of the big banks collapse.

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I think you're going to see at the end of July, the beginning of hyperinflation.

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Now I've got some numbers on how bad that hyperinflation is going to be.

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And so this late summer, early fall, we're going to begin this hyperinflation.

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It's going to get so bad.

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I've got numbers telling me that you'll go to the grocery store on Monday and buy groceries.

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And when you go back Tuesday, in one day's period of time, your groceries are going to

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be 9% more.

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Can I pay for my groceries Tuesday?

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It'll be another 9%.

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That's a lot.

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I mean, in a week's time, we're talking about a 75% increase in your food.

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Check those numbers.

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That means that in a couple of months, people will have to choose.

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Do I pay my house payment or my car payment or do I eat?

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And this is where we're going and it's going to be starting late summer.

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Now in the meantime, if you go to upma.org, you can kind of set you up, and I hate to

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say it, a bank account, but this is not a bank.

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So let's say you put $1,000 in there.

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They are going to take your thousand and they will buy gold or silver, whichever you want

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or combination.

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You tell them what percentage you want all that to be.

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So it's basically a place where they buy the gold, they hold it and you have like a debit

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card where you can use the amount of the gold that you have or whatever.

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It's basically like that.

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You don't even get your own gold.

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So it's not even a bank.

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It's a bank from the fucking gold rush.

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You put a nugget in there and they're like, this is worth $40 and you have $40 of credit

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to spend.

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There are a lot of operations like that in the gold and silver precious metals business.

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The idea of like they have vaults and stuff like that, so they'll hold it for you, but

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it is yours.

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There is a lot of stuff like that and I think from what I understand, a lot of it is kind

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of...

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Be careful.

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No, I'm sure it's all on the up and up.

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I think it's a little bit to be careful.

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No, come on.

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So, you know...

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Just ask to see your gold.

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The way that clip ended, I can't hear any other way than a sales pitch because he's

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like, let me tell you how it works.

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I don't want to call it a bank account, but if you put $1,000...

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What do I need to do to get you to sign up for an account, Kerry?

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All right.

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So, okay.

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So here, I'm not going to call this a bank, but say you have $1,000 in United States dollars.

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That's bullshit.

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Totally.

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But what if you have $1,000 in gold?

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That sounds good.

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That has no country.

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Sounds great.

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All right.

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Now, you put that into a place where somebody else gets to hold onto it and then they give

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you a representation of that money that you can use in the form of a card.

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See, but it's plastic, not paper, so it's not fiat or something, right?

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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They don't use your full name on this card.

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They use your fake name, not a Dr. John Waterman.

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Perhaps.

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I just see, like, this is a scam, but it's a scam being run on Kerry, which is kind of

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interesting.

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Like, he's abusing her platform.

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That's true.

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She wanted to talk about earthquakes and how DNA is changing and all that shit, and maybe

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some stuff about financial trouble that she's known about for 10 years that doesn't come

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to pass, but she insists is going to.

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But it's clear that even she can tell, like, in the moment a little bit that this is like...

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Oh, did she get it?

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She doesn't get mad at him or anything like that, like she does when someone insults Mark

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Richards.

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Yeah.

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But you can get a sense that she's, like, at least suspicious of his actions.

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Like there's a little bit there.

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Yeah.

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Because I'm listening to it and I'm thinking he's not doing a terrible job.

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Like if I were casually listening, I wouldn't even have noticed the very obvious ad pivot

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from a...

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Oh, I would have.

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You know.

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I would have, but I'm hyper vigilant about these sorts of things.

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Yeah, exactly.

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But yeah, it is as smooth as it can be kind of, you know, there is a...

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If you're a guest on somebody else's show.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And if you are already in that world and you have no reason to suspect people are running

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cons on you all the time, then you'd just be passively listening and be like, oh, UPMA

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sounds good.

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I predicted a financial crash was occurring.

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I don't have a financial interest in UPMA, so that's why I'm not bringing them up.

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I don't know why you would bring them up, probably because you have a financial interest

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in UPMA.

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But I know the financial crash is coming and maybe you're right because so far you have

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been right about...

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Yeah.

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Seems like everything.

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Has he been right about anything?

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And he's right about this next prediction that he makes.

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Nice.

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I gotta be honest, I don't like to give it up to these people.

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Oh, really?

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No.

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And they plan on letting this country have a revolution.

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In fact, I have a lot of information saying that we're probably heading into...

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Summer of rage.

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The second American revolution right after the Republican convention.

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So kind of put that on your...

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Now that, like you said, like you said though, anything could be planned.

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So that is the way he introduces like the idea of the second American revolution is

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coming around the Republican convention and then anything could be planned.

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And what that is to say is that's the beginning of him being like, hey, anything could happen,

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but this is just what I've heard a whole lot about.

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I have a lot of secret people telling me all these secret things that the revolution is

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coming.

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Great.

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Yep.

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Didn't happen.

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Did not happen.

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Oh, you know, anything can...

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Hey, look, look, in a world where there's remote poisoners and remote healers, fucking

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anything could happen.

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I have my group of remote occasional Financial Times readers telling me that the second American

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revolution is happening.

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It's true.

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It's true.

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And you know what?

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The convention wasn't in the fall.

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It was in the summer.

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Oh, it was?

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Yeah.

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So the summer of rage might still be in play.

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The Republican one is in August?

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I think so.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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But still in the summer.

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Yeah.

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It's still in the summer.

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That's true.

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And that's important for this next clip.

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What's that?

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We have a lot yet to talk about, Kerry, that I've got information, more information about

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the economy, and I've got some very interesting, more research about certain groups.

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Red flag.

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And what they're planning to do with this kind of stuff like DNA.

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It's been very enlightening even to me, but I think if you were going to say this is going

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to be a very hot summer, politically hot, emotionally hot, financially troubling hot,

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geopolitically hot, in every aspect, like you were saying, it's not one thing.

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It's multiple things.

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Summer of rage.

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It's the summer of rage, baby.

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So interesting.

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I think it's the exact same idea, but also that does fall under the heading of dumb predictions

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because it's 2016.

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There's a contested, seemingly very contentious presidential election happening.

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No.

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From who?

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But him saying that it's going to be a politically hot summer, it's going to be an emotional

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hot summer, all that stuff is like, no shit, man.

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Do you mean in the year of a presidential election?

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Yeah.

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How could it not be?

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No.

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What a notorious asshole is running for president.

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Name one other summer of presidential election where there was a summer of rage going on.

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I think a lot of them probably.

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What about 2012?

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Sure.

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Okay.

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How about 2008?

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Yup.

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What about 2004?

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But it's not a summer of rage the way all of these people say it.

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You know what I'm saying?

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No, of course not.

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They mean it very specifically because he even said there's a fucking American revolution

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that's going to kick off.

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I know.

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But it's not just about like, yes, it's going to be an acrimonious time between people.

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We're not going to have a great time.

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Tempers are going to rise.

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That sort of thing.

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Facebook is going to be a cesspool.

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That prediction is a zero, but you could make it and just be saying nothing.

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When you say a summer of rage in this sense, you mean it in a particular context and-

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Oh, of course.

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You're only doing that in service of trying to sell this gold.

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Some groups-

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See, now that's where we need to probably start having a conversation.

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Groups?

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Yeah.

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Some of them are planning things?

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Some groups?

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Not?

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And the way I said that kind of suggests that I am not talking about the good guys, Dan.

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No, no.

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It seems like the bad guys.

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And I am guessing that the bad guys all share one very specific thing in common.

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So that was a red flag to me and where I was like, woo, this waterman might not be cool,

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might not be just some silly crazy dude.

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So I went to his website, the Waterman Files.

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And beyond whatever issues you might have about his fake credentials and stuff, if you

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check out that website, some problems jump out immediately.

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From a blog post on December 28th, 2018, quote, as World War II came to an end, plans were

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in the works to purge the German race from the planet.

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Then the Zionists took over Germany, often called Second Israel.

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Germany has been the brunt of the NWO Zionist agenda ever since.

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Ever since the end of World War II, Jews slash Zionists have pounded the media or pounded

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the minds of people with anti-German Nazi propaganda.

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So the minute someone even mentions German military, they think it's a fascist regime.

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See, here's the thing.

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John Waterman believes a lot of the same stuff as Alex does, but he isn't nearly as interested

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in hiding his bigotry.

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Take this post from October 29th, 2018, about the Jack Ryan TV show that had come out, quote,

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Jewish Hollywood continues to lie by saying a plane hit the Pentagon.

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It will be a narrative that's repeated over and over, like the lie of the so-called Holocaust

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and the lies of the California criminal politician Adam Schiff.

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The Jews will continue to support the anti-American attacks on America of George Soros.

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So he is an anti-Semite.

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So we do have something we can define him.

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So he is an anti-Semite, not a doctor, not a John Waterman.

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Yes.

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There's one thing that seems pretty, pretty clear.

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Wow.

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Also, interestingly, Waterman loves Vladimir Putin, explicitly arguing that he's trying

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to resurrect a Christian country in Russia, taking control away from the Jewish Bolsheviks,

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which is why the world hates him so much.

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It's all just the result of the Jews controlling the media and hating the fact that Putin is

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Christian.

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We talk about the simultaneous, the enemy is infinite and the enemy is always losing

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a conundrum that they always have, where it's like, oh, the Jews control everything and

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they're killing all of you.

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But also the Jews are fucked over at every possible turn.

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I don't understand.

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Where do these people get this?

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Why?

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What are you doing?

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What are you doing?

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Like, in all honesty, just let Jews do their thing unless it's Israel, in which case Jews

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do different stuff.

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It's because it's so historically a part of our collective conscience.

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I know.

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It's so weird.

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It's a piece of history that's existed since forever.

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You go back to when the blood libel started, that was like, where are we, a thousand years

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ago?

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Like 800 years ago.

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Something like that.

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Yeah.

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So you have that that's been a part of public psyche for a really long time.

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And we've come to a place in our culture, especially now, that people know about the

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Holocaust and things like that, but they don't realize a lot of the things that that hatred

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was built on.

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They don't understand a lot of the stuff that predates even the rise of Nazism and why they

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chose Jews as a very easy scapegoat, among other scapegoats.

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So people don't recognize that this has been a shortcut that people who are lazy and bad

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have made forever.

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So people like a waterman, he just doesn't want to do the work.

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He doesn't want to understand these sorts of things and grapple with greater complexity

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than the idea that there is just one group of evil Zionist Jews who are controlling everything.

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Now the issue here for me is that he believes almost exactly the same things as Alex Jones.

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We've seen this over and over again throughout this episode and even through these posts

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that are against Jews.

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That one's bad.

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But he's saying similar things to Alex.

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He's pointing out fucking Soros.

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100%.

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He's saying Adam Schiff's an asshole.

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Alex threatened to punch Adam Schiff.

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He loves Putin because he thinks that he's resurrecting a Christian country, which is

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a piece of Alex's rhetoric.

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Don't know where they get that, but fine.

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All of this stuff is there and also the anti-Semitism is there.

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And one of the reasons that I believe that this is the case, it's because he perpetuates

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so many of the same narratives that Alex does.

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He's on the same propaganda team, even using the same sources to back up his arguments.

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Zero Hedge is constantly cited on his blog and Waterman clearly believes all the same

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anti-communist narratives that were foundational to making Alex who he is today.

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Waterman, he's an unrepentant anti-Semite because he understands what the point of the

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propaganda is, even if some people try to be less explicit about it.

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Alex Jones is using anti-Semitic propaganda, whether or not he wants to own up to the fact

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that what's behind it is anti-Semitic.

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And someone like John Waterman very clearly illustrates that.

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Same narratives, same idea of the world structure and what have you, exact same sources, same

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historical trends that lead from the past to him, lead right to Alex.

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The only difference is that Alex couches his rhetoric with, it's not the Jews, it's the

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globalists.

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I hate it.

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I hate this.

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I hate this fucking part of humanity.

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It's so stupid.

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So that's all awful.

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But just to make you feel a little better, I want to read to you from a post that he

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made on Christmas Day 2018.

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If you thought that your Christmas was kind of weird, consider this, quote, one very good

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source, a personal friend spends a couple hours each day investigating the high level

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brinksmanship we've met in Costa Rica during a trip by this bright, tireless person.

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He has direct connections to certain QAnon members.

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I don't want to know this person.

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And to people who work closely with JFK Jr.

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No.

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It is said that the Bush family is in turmoil, that Hillary is facing treason charges with

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only the timing in doubt, not the process.

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And most excitingly, that John F. Kennedy Jr. will return to the stage in a grand event.

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What?

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To identify his father's killer as George H.W. Bush.

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You don't know that that's a part of QAnon?

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I did not know that H.W. killed JFK?

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Well, no, that's a part of a lot of people's conspiracy, but that JFK Jr. faked his death

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in order to reemerge now that Trump is president in order to fight back against the globalists

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who killed his dad.

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What?

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That's a part of their...

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Wait, what?

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Yeah, that's a piece of it.

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No, no, no.

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That's part of it?

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That's a piece of some QAnon.

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Part of it is JFK Jr. faked his own death.

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You bet.

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He's going to come back later, like Gandalf the White.

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Yep.

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The problem with ever really talking about QAnon stuff is they have that sort of vibe

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where it's like you make fun of that and then there'll be like 10 QAnon people who are like,

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we don't believe that stupid shit.

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We believe this stupid shit.

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There's a bunch of different versions of it.

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Right, right, right.

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It's just the central conceit is stupid.

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It's Harry Potter slash fic.

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More or less.

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Yeah.

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So that's, you know, that's Waterman.

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He's a QAnon guy.

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He's a complete weirdo.

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He believes almost all the same stuff as Alex Jones and also is a raging anti-Semite.

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So at the end of this episode that he's doing with Kerry, she's trying to wind it down.

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She's trying to end the interview and he's like, I want to play you something that I

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made.

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And so she...

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U-P-M-A, it's where you want to...

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Not bank.

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I kind of thought that might be what he was doing.

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I really had a hunch that it's like, wow, he's shooting the moon here.

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This is crazy.

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But instead what it is, is a long, swelling music kind of...

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It's not that long, but it's longer than it needs to be.

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There's some swelling music behind it and people saying, you aren't alone.

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No, no, no.

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So in this clip, we're going to hear the end of it and then his little speech that he gives

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about how you're not alone.

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We are in this together.

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I want to start every clip with that.

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So of course the most important thing is to know you are not alone.

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And I think that gives us hope, doesn't it?

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I feel like he's taking over her show.

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He's doing overnights now.

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He's doing like the long overnight radio shifter.

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He's like, you know, it's the most important thing.

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We are not alone.

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You know, because if we think we're alone, it gets kind of scary thinking we're alone,

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but we're all in this together and we're not alone.

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And there are many people and it's kind of like talking to the choir here, Kerry.

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This is the awake group, but that's what's encouraging.

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And we just need to understand that we're not bickering.

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It's not time for us to talk about the shades of our color.

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It's time for us to say, I want to get rid of the mess and you and I are on the same

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page.

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Let's go get this done and get it over with.

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So knowing more about him, that message is no longer inspirational.

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If you don't know what he believes, then that message could easily be heard as a message

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of unity.

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The idea of it's not time for us to talk about the shade of our colors, although that doesn't

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apply.

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There is a time to talk about that and I don't like that, but that could hit your ear the

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same way as Alex's.

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We all bleed red blood, doesn't matter if you're black, white, purple, blue, red, doesn't

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matter.

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Right.

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You could hear that and just be like, okay, yeah, absolutely.

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What he's trying to say is that there's a bigger evil that we need to face and that

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is this, this system or whatever.

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But since we know what he means and what he believes, he knows it's Jews.

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It's so weird for him to be like, this is, this is a message of unity.

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Unless you're a Jew in which case, dude, we're going to fuck you up.

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We're all in this together.

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It's like, man, it's crazy to me for on so many levels, first of all, like just the little

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bit of awareness about his worldview and what he believes, it brings into focus like that

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complete change in what he's saying.

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And then second, Carrie doesn't know anything about him.

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So she allows him to give this message on her show that is innocuous sounding, but is

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actually deeply antisemitic.

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It's a call to commit a Holocaust because he even says, remove the problem or get rid

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of this mess and just take care of it.

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Yeah.

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It's time to just get, it's just time to be done with it once and for all last solution

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or something.

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As scientists, we got to figure out the Omega fix for it.

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You know, we got to figure out that one last problem solver we need to do, right?

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We need to figure out, I'm going to find Lionel's thesaurus here.

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Yeah, it's over in the corner.

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Yeah.

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It's like the, whether it be because she kind of believes similar things, we've certainly

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heard her say some not so wonderful things about, about Jews in the past, but like whether

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it's that or just because she has no idea who she's talking to and doesn't prepare really

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for her shows at all, what she has done is allowed someone who's slick enough to not

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make that a part of his public presentation, be deeply antisemitic and give a message of

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we need to attack the Jews on her own show, which is crazy to me.

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Like when I heard that, I was like, holy shit, Carrie, you got to do better.

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You can't do this.

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You can't, if you care, you can't do this.

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And also proves you're not a psychic because you would have seen that coming.

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And care is in her name.

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God damn it.

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Yeah.

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It's just, it's nuts to me.

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And it's just kind of how, I think on a, on a sort of minute scale, I think it's illustrative

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of how people who have ill will, not always just Nazis, but like people who have ill will

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and are, are, are bigots and con men and those sorts of things, like they're very adept at

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co-opting people's messages.

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So you know, you have somebody like this Waterman, he knows that if he's like immediately, Hey

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Carrie, Jews equal bad.

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That's not going to be an interview that goes well.

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We've got not a Dr. John Waterman in here.

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That's a strong statement to make right off the bat.

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She probably knows enough to know like, that's not something I can put on my show.

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That's going to be a problem.

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So she wouldn't continue the interview with him.

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He's slick enough to know that I have to mind my P's and Q's when I'm on her show, but when

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I'm on my blog, I can fucking say whatever I want.

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So shitpost all day.

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The only thing that I can tell from that is with a hundred percent certainty is that Carrie's

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audience is much larger than his, and he knows this is the best way he can hopefully indoctrinate

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some people over to his worldview by being on the show, being careful about stuff.

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People come check him out.

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Get red pilled.

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Yeah.

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This is how this shit goes.

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We should go on Joe Rogan's podcast and do the same thing, but for good.

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I don't know if I could.

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There'd be, I don't know how I would do that.

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Here's how we would do it.

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I'm not that fun.

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Hey!

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Hey!

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Stop it!

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Whatever you're doing right now, Joe, stop it!

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Do better!

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God dammit!

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How did that go?

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That was pretty smooth and slick, right?

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Very slick.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You know, that same sort of thing where he is, whether consciously or unconsciously,

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the tool by which people with ill will attract greater attention to themselves at Joe's expense.

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He shouldn't be signing off on a lot of these people's messages, and he does.

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You can't know what's in the guy's mind.

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No.

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You know, but you would hope-

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You can get some strong indications that it's not, I care a lot.

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You would hope that somebody who managed to help make NewsRadio the fucking greatest sitcom

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of the 90s would know better.

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You would hope that somebody who has-

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Andy Dick was on that show.

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Don't pretend that-

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Fair enough.

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Never mind.

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Yeah!

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Come on!

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Listen.

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It was the murderer's row.

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So this brings us to the end of this little adventure, and I think that, I don't know.

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I don't know if this is a hugely important thing to discuss, but I think there's some

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connective tissue in there that's really important, whether it be the Project Camelot world connecting

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with Alex Moore.

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People should realize that there is a lot of connection between those two, or the connection

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between people who espouse exactly the same rhetoric as Alex, but hide their anti-Semitic

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Nazi-ish beliefs in order to be more socially acceptable.

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It's an intentional strategy that people like that use.

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Right.

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I always appreciate these because there are so many things where if you were a casual

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observer, if you were not really paying close attention, or if you weren't conversant in

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this world already, you would listen to his interview and be like, oh, well, this is just

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a loony.

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You know?

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This is no big deal.

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You still might think that through most of it.

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Well, yeah.

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Well, of course.

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It is that.

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It is so much like these guys are always interconnected with each other, and there's so many different

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versions, there's so many different flavors and degrees by which these guys can get away

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with shit to a certain audience.

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Somebody from Stormfront may believe the exact same shit as Alex Jones.

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Yeah, of course.

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But on Stormfront, they'll throw it off all this way.

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Somebody on Facebook who you know, who believes all the same shit Alex Jones does, isn't going

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to say it the same way that Stormfront guy does.

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Right.

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Different venues require different presentation.

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Right.

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But it's the same shit.

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It is.

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And it's so hard because there's so many degrees and your basic human instinct is to give people

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the benefit of the doubt.

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Yep.

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And if there's one thing that our show has proven, it's that you should never trust anybody.

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We're all in this for ourselves.

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Everybody's fucking lying to you and nobody knows what's going on.

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And the summer of rage is coming, 2019.

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So the other, the last thing I want to say.

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Just move on.

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Yeah.

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The last thing I want to say is that like, just as sort of a funny wrinkle, John Waterman

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thinks that Alex Jones is a CIA shell.

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Oh, of course.

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Because he doesn't hate Jews enough.

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Yeah, you bet.

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So what you have there too is another little microcosm of these people who have these messages

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and all this shit that they put into the world.

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And one of the ways that they gain credibility for themselves is attack people who are exactly

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like them.

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Yeah.

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You know, in the same way that Alex attacks Bill Cooper and makes the claims that he does

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about him.

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This John Waterman attacks Alex Jones in order to be like, no, I'm the pure version.

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He's working for Stratfor.

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Right.

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And stuff like that.

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That's another piece of this con that is so central to all this shit.

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And it's just, it's, it's lame.

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Creating that conflict only makes both parties stronger, which is so infuriating.

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Like with the David Duke interview where you're like, Alex, stop pretending you love this

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guy.

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You do.

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You love everything he stands for and you love everything he believes, but you, you

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pretend to push back.

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That way his followers can be like, Oh, Alex, you don't hate Jews.

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And then Alex's followers can be like, ha ha, see, he doesn't hate Jews, but both of

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them are the same fucking guys.

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You both, you both galvanize your audiences a little bit using the other person as like

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a prop.

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Yeah.

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And then at the same time, you kind of just hope to siphon off a few people.

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Yeah.

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And then you all go out for drinks afterwards.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And talk about how much you both love Ron Paul.

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So anyway, we'll be back with the next episode, but until then we've got a website.

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We do have a website.

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It is knowledgefight.com U P knowledge fight.org.com.

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We also on Twitter that knowledge underscore fight was on Facebook.

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We are on Facebook.

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You can join our group, go home and tell your mother.

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You're brilliant.

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True.

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We're on iTunes and places like that.

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Uh, Dan, I would guess based on the fact that not a Dr. John Waterman is not a doctor nor

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a John Waterman.

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Uh, I bet he might've killed a guy with his naturopathy, some bad medical advice or something

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like that.

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Look, I'm just saying there's a reason that his real name is not anywhere near this interview,

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but one guy who definitely probably also has technically killed a guy.

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That's Alex Jones, Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.