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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes. I like to sit around,

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drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed we are, Dan.

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Yes, sir.

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Dan?

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What's your favorite holiday candy?

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Favorite? Oh, boy. That's interesting. I don't know if they're, I mean, because you could get

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into weird Halloween things because it's such a candy-based holiday.

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Yeah.

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They have all those Reese's pumpkins around the fall.

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Delicious. Oh, massive.

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I would say Peppermint Bark is probably up there.

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Peppermint Bark.

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I love Peppermint Bark.

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Oh, that's disgusting. What? Peppermint Bark?

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At least I didn't say Peanut Brittle.

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Well, yeah, but that's because who knows when there might be a snake

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that's going to pop out of a Peanut Brittle can.

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That's just, of course you don't like Peanut Brittle.

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Too many bad memories.

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What do you got against Peppermint Bark?

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It's just, it's a perversion of what chocolate should be.

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It's great. There's a tradition in my family of like, one of my aunts sends me every year for

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forever, they send like a tin of Williams-Sonoma Peppermint Bark every year.

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Don't they make jeans?

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No, no, I don't think, maybe they do. I think you're thinking of Diamond Gusset.

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No, I'm pretty sure Williams-Sonoma makes it. I could be wrong.

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Could be.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, you get that. It's always just sort of like a nice yearly thing.

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Yeah.

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And I like it. I like the flavor. It's great. Peppermint Chocolate. Goes well.

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No.

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What's yours?

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Sentimental? When I was growing up, my grandma would give the entire, all of the kids in my

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family, these like commemorative life savers containers. Have you ever, do you remember those?

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Those suck.

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Oh, terrible. They taste awful. They're awful.

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If you say the like rum, buttered rum one.

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Ooh, those are good though.

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No, they're not.

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Those are delicious.

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No.

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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's your sentimental favorite? The book of life saver rolls?

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No, no, no, no. Holiday candy just makes me think of that nonstop.

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The answer of course is Reese's fucking Easter eggs.

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Okay.

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The single greatest candy that's ever been made.

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If you said Cadbury Egg or Peanut Brittle.

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Wrong.

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Throw you straight out the window.

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Peanut Brittle? Who would say Peanut Brittle?

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Old people. I don't know.

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Oh, fair enough.

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I know a bit about these here holiday candies, but I know more about Alex Jones.

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And I know a little to none about both.

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And that's our show, I guess.

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Yeah, I guess that's our show.

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Lately we've been pivoting. We're going to pivot more in the future towards talking about candy.

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Yeah, no, no, no, no. That's where this was always going to be.

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It's going to become a central theme of our show. It's going to be a damning expose of candy people

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because John Birch Society president is a candy man. We've hit all together.

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The Willy Wonka of libertarianism and racism.

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Indeed. And that is appropriate to bring up because today we're back in the past.

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We're in 2009 and we'll be going over the March 27th, 2009 episode,

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which is the day after Alex Jones has had the John Birch Society president on the show.

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And it's interesting to see what happens in the immediate aftermath of that.

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Anything is possible. Oh, boy.

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But before we get to today's show, I'd like to take a moment to say thank you

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to some of the people who have signed up and are supporting the show,

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helping us keep the lights on as they say.

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Oh, nope. You're not allowed to say that.

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I am allowed to say thank you to one of our new donors, Michael Z.

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Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Michael.

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Thank you very much.

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Also, I'd like to say thank you to Bryce. You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much, Bryce.

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Also, Tracy with an I.

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Tracy with an I.

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Thank you so much.

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That's dangerous.

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You're now a policy wonk with an I. Policy.

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No, no, no.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you so much.

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What a dick thing to do.

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Why is it a dick thing to do?

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I don't know.

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I'm celebrating the fun spellings of people's names out there in the world.

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Get off your high horse with your defensiveness about whys.

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I'm sorry.

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Also, I'd like to say thank you to someone who has come in on a little bit of a higher

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level and we appreciate it also very much.

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Uh, so Bob Soul, thank you so much.

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You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars.

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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone, someone sodomized and sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark.

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

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He's a loser.

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Little, little titty baby.

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I don't want to hate black people.

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I remember Jesus Christ.

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Thank you so much, Bob Soul.

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Bob, it must've.

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Oh, it's one word.

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I was going to say, cause that would have been real tough to live through 95 with that

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name right there.

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Why is that?

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Because, well, a certain Bob Dole was running for president.

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That's true.

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Yeah.

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I was thinking if it was a, you might be confused.

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Like maybe you're a relative of Jimmy Soul.

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If you want to be happy for the rest of your life.

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Never make a pretty one with your wife.

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So for my personal point of view.

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It permeates popular culture.

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Everyone knows that song.

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Of course you would be mistaken for him.

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Naturally.

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It's just so prevalent, that song dad.

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God damn.

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That song in high school that I was in a broadcast production class.

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And the only reason I know that song or I could probably sing it off the top of my head.

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You, yeah, it's weird.

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It's because that was the Friday song that our teacher played in our broadcast production

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class in high school.

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Like it would always be like, it's Friday, put on if you want to be happy for the rest

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of your life.

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That's what your teacher would do?

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I guess it's because torture.

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What was your teacher?

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Jigsaw.

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What's going on here?

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Wasn't nom.

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Well, that seals it.

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He was a good guy, but yeah, in hindsight, problematic choice for a Friday song in a

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class.

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Fairly offensive.

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I don't know.

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Anyway, there's a lot of weird stuff.

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Yeah, it was a geography teacher that I had who believes that daily abuse makes you stronger.

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All right.

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So he would line us up and push us into the door jam on our way out of class every day.

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Yeah.

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Fucked up stuff.

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That is a fucked up teacher.

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They allowed him to do that.

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I don't think anyone knew he was doing it.

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How could you not know he was doing it?

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Because he, I don't know.

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He was, he was a weird dude.

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Coach Hawkins.

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Good, good man.

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That coach Hawkins.

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We became friends later after I hit him.

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This is a long show.

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Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no.

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This is your, every story you have about your high school really just kind of outlines either

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some sort of child abuse or more serious and dangerous crime.

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Yeah.

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You don't, you don't really have any, uh, tough time.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I'm sorry.

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I was my nom.

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Anyway, guys, we're in the past.

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We went a little too far back into the past right now.

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We're going to go a little bit forward.

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Yeah.

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So we're in 2009, like I said, the last episode, um, was our, our last week's Monday episode

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where we heard Alex interview, uh, John McManus, president of the John Birch society.

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And, uh, it doesn't immediately come into any, that's not really important necessarily

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at the beginning of this episode, but it's an important context and important framework

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to understand moving forward, uh, in Alex's, uh, 2009 business.

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Does he suck up to somebody else and betray his principles today, Dan?

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No, not especially, but I think that there are, um, interesting trends that happen immediately,

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let's say, and we'll, we'll get to them as we get to them.

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But before we do, I just want to play this clip where Alex Jones makes it super abundantly

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clear that he's a fucking sovereign citizen.

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Definitely.

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I've been researching this deeply and it really does have a central core, uh, of, uh, the

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city of Rome.

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So you notice how it's a private city of banking, just a few square miles within the city of

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London itself that is the financial head of the world and mainstream news admits that

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and it's privately held.

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This, this, I don't really understand fully what Alex is talking about, but I'm guessing

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it has something to do with the idea that like the Vatican is a private country within

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a city country.

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Oh, that's what he's talking about.

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Not necessarily the Vatican, but I think he's saying that the city of Rome is like that,

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but with banking, because later he says that Washington DC, the district of Columbia is

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that, but with military.

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Okay.

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So he's, he's trying to present the idea that there's all these privately held cities in

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the world and you have like the Vatican is a ecclesiastical, the Rome and London, the

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city of Rome and the city of London are banking.

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And then the Washington DC is military.

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I don't exactly know what all of that amounts to, but look, I'm going to look into that

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more.

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I don't really understand what he's talking about and there are not like ready resources

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on this.

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Okay.

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So if you draw lines between the three of them though, do you get like a triangle?

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You, uh, yes, absolutely.

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Which is a sign.

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Exactly.

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What is the devil's sign?

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Triangles.

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The devil's triangle.

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Yeah, there we go.

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It has its own rules and has set the global maritime system of law that we're under that

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is tyrannical.

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That's Napoleonic.

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Capital letters.

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Roman, it's really Roman civil law, but modern times they call it Napoleonic law, guilty

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of the bourbon, innocent and rest of it.

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Yes.

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That is what administrative law courts and um, it's really the law of merchants going

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back to really before Rome to Greece and Babylon and Alexandria and Cairo.

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But I digress.

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You do.

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So yeah, it's maritime law.

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We're all under maritime law.

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You're guilty until proven innocent and uh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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Gold, gold fringed flags, the whole lot.

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Of course.

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That's all sovereign citizen shit and it's all wacky.

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I'm, I'm a big fan of their, uh, insistence in how well they know history by just naming

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cities.

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Yeah.

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It goes all the way back to Alexandria.

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Ooh, you must know history, sir.

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Yeah.

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Alexandria, which one?

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The one in Georgia.

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I'm guessing he just has like, at least I've already forgotten all those cities that he

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named, but it seemed like most of them had ports.

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So at least he's just really talking about ports.

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At least he had that.

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But then again, most ancient cities were, uh, there.

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It was very important that they, it's really hard to landlocked.

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Yeah.

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Living landlocked was a, it was a much harder proposition back then.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, in this next clip, Alex gives something that I think has come to become very, uh,

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uh, do regular, uh, very normal on our show.

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And that is him giving a prophetic warning that what they are doing to nonwhite people,

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they will soon be doing to white people.

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Yes.

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So you better get the most terrifying of situations.

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You better get ready.

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It is just going to get worse and worse and worse.

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I mean, we are in for deep trouble because when they get this global financial power

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and a world ID, that'll still be a national ID, but globally standardized, they'll track

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trace track everywhere you're going control.

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You can't run anywhere.

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Then they're going to carry out the one child policy, the controlled plague releases.

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And from here on out, it becomes Hitlerian.

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The Diane is going to start.

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I mean, it's already starting if you were in Cambodia or Iraq or hundreds of other countries

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where the globalists are slaughtering people, uh, with their proxies.

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But, uh, we're going to start dying here and in Europe.

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So get ready to die.

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Okay.

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That's a, I mean, I guess what's behind that is a, is an idea that like the globalists

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dare not touch us whites until they have full control.

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Right, right, right, right.

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Something like that, which is like, I guess, I guess what's behind that thought even is

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that like, they know that we're the only ones who are capable of fighting back against them.

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I guess that's what you mean?

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I'm not entirely sure.

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No idea.

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It's very weird.

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And, uh, all that stuff is also just, you know, the little building blocks of it are

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just his little dumb narratives.

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Dan, the globalists are climbing the mountain of conquest.

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And what's at the top of that mountain?

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Uh, the white cap.

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Exactly.

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There you go.

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That's who you, you gotta, you gotta get it to the top of the white folk, uh, to start

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putting Fitzcarraldo down.

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I don't know.

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I don't know where that one was going.

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It does, it does have a baseline feeling of like white, uh, I mean, not whites are at

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the top.

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Well, not white supremacy, but white primacy, you know, almost like whites are the most

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important that they're the best.

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I guess it is white supremacy.

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Yeah, no, it's exactly white supremacy.

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Yeah.

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Whoops.

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Anyway, uh, the part at the beginning when I was making a big deal of Alex, uh, having

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the John Birch Society president on the day before, uh, it does show up a little earlier

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than maybe I made it seem because in this next clip, Alex Jones goes whole hog against

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Glenn Beck.

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He starts attacking him aggressively.

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Okay.

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The day after he has the John Birch Society president on.

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Folks, I told you Glenn Beck's a snake.

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He called for Ron Paul supporters of the army.

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He was on him to be arrested last year.

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He's not a nice guy, is he?

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Boo, he sucks.

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No.

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Now he had proper mechanics on last night and April 6th, they're having a big report,

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basically debunking it.

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I mean, does it matter if I have thousands of government documents, hundreds of mainstream

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news articles, congressional testimony?

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Alex is terrible with pronoun reference.

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Yeah, I have no idea what he's talking about.

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When he said it, he means, uh, Alex's stories about FEMA camps.

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Oh, they're, uh, Glenn Beck had someone on to discuss the realities and falsehoods of

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all the stories on the internet about, uh, FEMA camps.

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So that's the, so the, the, the feud began, uh, whenever Glenn Beck inexplicably chose

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somebody to pick through the lies of somebody else who was lying about stuff that he's also

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lying about.

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Somewhat.

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And from the base of this clip, it might seem very like non-suspicious that Alex is attacking

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Glenn Beck.

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Yeah.

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Because he has said things like, uh, hey, you got to look out with this guy a little

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bit or like, eh, I don't know.

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I don't know about him.

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That, that sort of stuff.

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So it does seem in line with Alex to a certain extent, but I think as this goes on, you'll

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start to understand my point a little more.

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But, uh, Alex isn't done.

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I just wanted to explain the pronoun reference.

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It's in the Houston Chronicle Associated Press.

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They're going to have Popular Mechanics said they don't exist.

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Probably put a book out in a magazine cover and say, I'm a big liar.

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You are.

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Uh, they'll probably say the MIAC report doesn't exist either.

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Of course, the state police have now apologized and stopped issuing it.

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And the Lieutenant Governor's called for the head of the state police to step down over

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it.

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Really?

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That's in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch Kansas City Star Associated Press.

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But it doesn't exist.

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It's MIAC report doesn't exist either.

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Oh boy, none of it exists.

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All these hundreds of news articles calling for world government oven by the banks doesn't

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exist either.

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Not really.

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Beck for weeks has been saying, I'll tell you the truth about the FEMA camps.

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We're investigating.

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We're the place to find out if it's true.

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So the underlying thing here, all this stuff is like all these tons of news articles.

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Others do exist.

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There's misrepresenting them.

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The MIAC report does exist, but you're misrepresenting them and your asshole followers and Ron Paul

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and Chuck Baldwin and all those guys got together and, you know, ran with the misrepresentation

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of it and got the law enforcement to, uh, redact it, recant it.

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Wayne Paul said that only three people wrote the MIAC report.

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That's right.

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MIAC report.

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That's true in the middle of the night.

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So the issue is misrepresentation.

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Uh, that is why when people critique him, they're not saying that he's making stuff

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up whole cloth.

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It's just that he's making up the interpretation of it in a dishonest way.

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Now, the thing that I want to bring sharp focus to here is Alex's complaint about Glenn

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Beck seems to be mostly he's not extreme enough or when he's extreme, he's lying about it.

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So there's this, there's this sense to it that he's like, he came out and he was talking

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about the new world order and how like, you need to be worried about it.

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We're going to look into it.

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That's the part where Alex is cool with it.

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But then once Glenn Beck is like, we looked into it and a lot of this stuff that's going

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around isn't true.

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That's where he's like, he's either just talking about the new world order in order to trick

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you into believing him only to have him say it's not true.

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All right.

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So controlled opposition.

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Yeah, or the argument could be he's not extreme enough.

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He doesn't get it right.

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Either of those things are possible, but the primary function of it is he's not putting

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out the rhetoric that I want put out into the world.

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Yeah.

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Now in this next clip, Alex talks about the John Birch society and it might not surprise

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you too much to hear him make almost the exact same criticism of them.

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Okay.

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Cause see, the only thing I hear right now is two liars getting into a pissing match

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about who lies the right way on the surface.

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That is kind of what it appears to be, but there's more, there's more forces at play

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here when you understand their philosophies a little bit.

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It's kind of like the John Birch society wrote articles saying black helicopters and urban

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warfare didn't exist a couple of years before they reversed themselves on the cover with

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it about militarization of police.

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And I actually saw one of their riders at an urban warfare takeover drill in Oakland

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and he was there and he said, Oh, Alex Jones.

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And I said, yeah, Oh, you're here now witnessing the black helicopters.

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And I even sent them an associated press article where they tried to bribe the police chief

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and others, not just my video interviewing that broke it.

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They made it into the San Antonio express news and AP.

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But I mailed them that because I saw one of the riders there who'd written a piece saying

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it didn't exist, but I find that he lived in California.

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So I saw the rider there.

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This is a convoluted story.

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And I said, okay, give me your card.

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I'm going to mail you the AP.

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And you know what?

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They publish the AP article in their magazine and said, okay, it's low and behold.

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So it's like I had McManus in here yesterday, the president of the John Birch society, which

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I think does good work.

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They're good people.

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And I didn't throw any hardball questions at him because I just wanted to pick his brain

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and they did do a lot of the groundwork on exposing this whole thing.

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And a lot of us wouldn't even be here today knowing about this one for them.

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A lot of their material was...

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My mom got pregnant with me at a John Birch society meeting.

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And good old Bobby Vaughn, my dad's friend died of a brain tumor two years ago, but grew

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up with him hanging out.

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He was a big JBS.

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He was always bringing their books over and none dare call a conspiracy and give them

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to my dad.

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And then as soon as I could read, I was pulling it off the bookshelf of just thousands of

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books in our house, my parents' house, every room just full of bookshelves, storage things

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full of books.

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You know, it was that one book I pulled off the shelf and ruined my life.

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So we got to thank them.

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But at the same time, he's in here and I said, yeah, their goal is seven million people.

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This Youth Service Corps and these other compulsory volunteer things.

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He said, no, Alex, it's 250,000 and then 500,000 is what they want.

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And I said, well, that's in one of the bills to start.

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But here's the New York Times with the senator saying this is their goal.

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And he went, oh, OK.

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And he left with the New York Times.

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So you hear...

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I mean, that is a convoluted story, but it's important to hear from the base elements of

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that clip are at the beginning, he's talking about how the John Birch Society had this

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guy there who was reporting on stuff that Alex knew wasn't correct.

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And so he got in touch with them and then they corrected their behavior.

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And so very positive version of this not being extreme enough.

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Yeah, he talks about how he accidentally found this book that set the course of his life

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when he was a child or whatever, and then gets to talking to McManus.

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McManus disagrees on him on the extremeness of the position they should take.

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And Alex gives him this article and he now is assuming that John McManus is going to

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make his position more extreme because of the influence that Alex has exerted on him.

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Gotcha.

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These are parallel situations.

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OK.

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His feelings about Glenn Beck and his feelings about the John Birch Society run the almost

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similar tracks.

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Not extreme enough, but we can make it better.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's very interesting to me.

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I was struggling through that story.

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That story was like a game of chutes and ladders.

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I felt like every time we got any direction, we just fell and we're back in his childhood

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or whatever it is that's going on.

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Yeah, like if I ran the moth and he came with that, I'd be like, get the fuck out of here.

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Do more work on this story.

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What is this story?

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It's convoluted.

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I'm an extemporaneous speaker.

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No, you're just a shitty storyteller.

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You need A to go to B. So I just I think that's very interesting.

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I don't know necessarily what it means too much, but it does reflect something.

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I suppose my question would then be like, so his view on these guys is that they don't

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go, not always, but for the most part where he's coming from now is you guys aren't extreme

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enough in your, the new world order is going to kill everybody's stuff.

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More or less.

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Right.

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Does he, other than his apocalyptic, their controlled plague releases, does he have any

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opinions that they aren't extreme enough on?

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Do you know what I'm saying?

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What do you mean by that?

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Well, I mean, he's, he's of course saying that the new world order is killing everybody.

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Yeah.

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Obviously.

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And they're not saying that, but does he agree or disagree with anything that they are saying?

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I think he agrees almost uniformly.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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He agrees with everything they think.

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It's a matter of scale and not a matter of substance or content.

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Yeah.

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I think, I think that, I think that's pretty clear.

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And I think it's also just petty insecurity.

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I'm not, I'm not sure, but it does lead to Alex talking about Glenn Beck quite a bit on this show.

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Okay.

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And in this next clip, he complains about Glenn Beck and the John Birch Society,

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and then starts complaining about the very idea that people complain about other people.

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Beck's penis looks like a curly Q.

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I got sent an email by some fake Christian website saying, pretty big saying.

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Fake Christian or fake Christian website?

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Overarmed revolt. That is not in the Bible. We are to submit to the beast system, basically.

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They didn't say that.

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And.

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Well, they're fake Christians.

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Romans 13.

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Did they say anything?

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Obama deception is bad. You shouldn't watch it.

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And Alex once spoke at a Unitarian church, which has ties to socialists.

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So he is a communist.

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Burn the witch!

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Like if I speak, if I speak at Sheraton Hotel in LA, I don't work for Sheraton.

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Oh, real quick.

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Burn the witch!

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I just want to pause for a second to point out that that's exactly

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the inverse of the logic that he uses about Margaret Sanger,

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giving a speech to the women of the KKK.

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When you do it, you're wrong. When I do it, I'm right.

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Enjoy having it both ways, Alex.

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Or if I use a Neumann microphone, I don't work for the Neumann microphone company.

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Or if I have a Sony or Panasonic camera.

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You have a Sony?

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Burn the witch!

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Atomics, atomic clock, or a...

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I mean, it's just this obsession with Alex Jones, Alex Jones, Alex Jones,

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Alex Jones, Alex Jones.

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That sounds like a slap chop.

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It's just crazy.

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And so one of our biggest problems is you have the mainstream media spinning,

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lying, obfuscating, pushing propaganda.

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We're trying to analyze that.

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Then you have the general public wrecked by the system,

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wrecked by the establishment, a large portion of it,

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who are even awake to the New World Order,

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but they won't spend any of their time actually fighting the globalists.

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They spend all their time critiquing each other and ninnying and bitching and witch hunts.

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So he...

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Isn't he...

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Wait, he just went from saying that they're not extreme enough.

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Yeah.

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And then saying that a fake Christian website is trying to complain about him.

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Yeah, this whole thing has been largely complaints

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about people who are philosophically on the same side as you.

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And then it leads to the sort of reveal of,

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we spent too much time complaining about people and not working.

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Wow.

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All right.

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I don't under...

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I don't think he...

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So he doesn't get that his complaint is they're complaining about him,

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and he's complaining that they're complaining,

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and there's too much complaining going on,

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and he's complaining about that.

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In this particular instance, I think that Christian Place's email is made up.

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So I'm just going to discount that out of hand.

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Well, then it would be a fake Christian email too.

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That's true.

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Or it could have been some sort of forwarded chain email nonsense that means nothing.

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Right.

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It should go to a spam folder, quite frankly.

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Sure.

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But...

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He does not have a spam folder.

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In the instances of what he's complaining about about Glenn Beck and the John Birch Society,

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those aren't complaints that they're making about Alex complaining about them.

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In the instance of Glenn Beck, it's not complaining,

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it's discussing misinformation that people like Alex are perpetuating.

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So not to defend Glenn Beck in any way,

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but the complaint that Alex has about him is he's pushing back on my nonsense.

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Whereas Alex's, you know, his complaint is people complain too.

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I don't know.

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Alex's version has much less substance to it,

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if only because Glenn Beck is talking about like,

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oh, this is a misrepresentation, misreading of this bill or whatever.

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Yeah.

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That has a kernel of something to it.

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Alex's is just, everyone complains about me.

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We spend too much time complaining. I'm complaining all the time.

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It's not so much that he has a circular thought process as he just doesn't have one.

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Like it just starts with, yeah, it just starts with like a,

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here's the thing that I don't like and I don't like that thing.

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And even though it's a thing that I'm doing that I like to do, I think it's a bad thing.

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There's a strong feeling that like, I don't,

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I'm not positive he knows what he's saying in the middle of a sentence when he says stuff like that.

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Yeah, that's a good point.

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Like, I'm not sure he doesn't, like, I'm not sure he understands that it doesn't track.

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The end of the sentence doesn't have anything to do with the middle or the last sentence before it.

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Or it outright contradicts the sentence before it, but who cares?

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Or it's a convoluted story.

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He has to do a lot of fucking radio though.

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That's true.

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Can't critique him over little semantic details.

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Like his job.

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So the, so far we've seen this bit of business about Glenn Beck.

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And when I'm saying that things are changing with it,

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I think that this next clip really demonstrates that because what we see is,

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I think that he's been a little bit more severe about Glenn Beck in the past than he likes to

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believe, but mostly I kind of agree that his critiques of Glenn Beck have been not attacking

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him in the past, not necessarily attacking him, but like saying he's probably up to something

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and, and like not treating him like a target.

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It's weariness.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think that's fair.

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Gotcha.

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Maybe mean weariness at times, but without-

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But it's not like the kind of personal attacks that we're so used to seeing from Alex where

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it's like, look at his dumb hair.

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He's probably a pedophile, like that kind of shit.

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Yeah.

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And what we see in this next clip is Alex even expressing himself that things are going to

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change.

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And now I'm looking at him not as some inconsequential, inconsequential person that you

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should be wary of, but now as a target.

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And, you know, I called this months ago, Glenn Beck on his radio show, then on his TV show

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in the last month, and I never really come out against Glenn Beck.

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I said, the guys in Neocon, you know, he says, put Ron Paul supporters in FEMA camps.

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I'd criticize him for that, but I'd say he's just a discredited minion.

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He's not that big of a danger to the people.

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Then in the last six months, he started saying there's a global government being set up,

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but then he would always sandwich that in with Al-Qaeda, and they're going to get us.

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It was psychological manipulation.

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And then the last month or so he's been saying, I'm going to expose the FEMA camp, whether

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they're real or not, in-depth investigation.

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Then he'd promise every night to do it and have folks tune in, and he wouldn't do it.

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Then he'd kind of laugh at it and discredit it.

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Well, now he's had the head of Popular Mechanics on, remember, Hearst Publishing are the folks

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that are run by William Randolph Hearst, who in the Spanish-American War said, you supply

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the pictures, I'll supply the war, making up that Spain was attacking people in Cuba.

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And they're the folks with the fake red scare.

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They're the folks that are always calling for a police state.

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He was a big robber baron.

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And in the Encyclopedia Britannica, under yellow journalism, it says Hearst Publishing.

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So, I mean, you cannot have a more discredited, more nasty group of individuals.

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He's still talking about Popular Mechanics, right?

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Right. Because the guy, a guy from Popular Mechanics is who Glenn Beck enlisted to research

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the FEMA camp.

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Right. And Popular Mechanics is owned by Hearst Publishing and Hearst is yellow journalism.

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And I got that.

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But if you want to...

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I don't understand why he's...

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Because he has to attack the source.

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But if you want to play that game, then fine, Alex.

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You have a show that's distributed by Genesis Communications Network, which is owned by

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Ted Anderson, who owns Midas Resources, who in interviews has said that he created Genesis

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Communications Network as a advertising arm of Midas Resources, where he sells gold.

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You have people on all the time who just try and create panics to sell gold.

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So, I mean, we can play that game.

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You're a thoroughly...

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Genesis Communications is a thoroughly discredited outlet.

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And if you want somebody who runs fucking propaganda, one of your guests regularly

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helping you sell gold is a fucking South African rapist who believes in Rhodesia.

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So there you go.

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No, that's worse than Hearst.

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I don't know if it is.

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Hearst did some...

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No, Hearst is awful.

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Never mind.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Hearst is terrible.

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But what I'm saying is like, this knife cuts both directions.

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Yeah.

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And I think you should probably give a pass for Hearst Publishing owning Popular Mechanics

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unless you have specific complaints about the specific person or anything like that,

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then maybe just stop stretching.

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And then the ones that went after 9-11 Truth would just...

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Oh, there we go.

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...total made up crap.

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They are now gonna quote debunk.

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Now, I said a few weeks ago, I did like an hour on the FEMA camps with all the documents

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for the eclipse, but I said I was gonna do...

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It's very underwhelming.

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...several hours on it.

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They mastered debunking.

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And then I've been busy launching the Obama deception and other things, but I am going

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to do the research.

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I'm not gonna research.

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I'm gonna dig all the documents back out.

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No, you're not.

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There's just so many in congressional testimony, in the Miami Herald, in Houston Chronicle,

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and I mean hundreds of...

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...army.mil regulation 210-35...

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Why don't you print them out?

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...in the labor camp program.

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Have it here in front of me.

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Glenn Beck knows full well about all the FEMA camps.

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You know, three weeks ago, I did that hour-long special.

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It's gone viral on the web.

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I want you to make...

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I'll do it early next week.

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That'll give us a few days ahead of their debunking on April 6 to make it go mega viral.

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And if we do this, millions of views can be attained.

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And I can piggyback Glenn Beck's success.

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Yeah.

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So, I mean, the thing that he brings up there as his specific example of FEMA camps being

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real, the civilian inmate labor camp program, it really is just about creating the private

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prison industry and about the idea that you can make inmates work.

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Yeah, no, that's slavery.

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For slavery, yeah.

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If he wants to talk about that in a realistic way, I would really appreciate it.

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But if he wants to fold it into this FEMA camp nonsense, then what it does is diminish

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the ability to work against the actual evil that he pretends to be complaining about.

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So that, to me, is a problem.

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The other problem here is, see, what I think is going on, and this is just my theory, and

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it's...

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I didn't know about this episode when we recorded the episode about him interviewing the John

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Birch Society president.

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And we talked about the connections between the Koch brothers, FreedomWorks, Citizens

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for Prosperity, Americans for Prosperity.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He came out of Citizens for a Sound Economy, all of these things.

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I didn't know that the next day Alex was gonna go hard on Glenn Beck when I brought up those

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connections and stuff.

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Just to let you know that I'm not rigging this and saying like, oh, he's mad at Glenn

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Beck, probably.

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He's now creating this thing.

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This is tough to put into words.

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What I think is going on is that Alex is creating the appearance of a beef, because it is...

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See, this is where it's difficult, because if I say he's doing it intentionally, then

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it sounds so conspiratorial.

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Oh, you think this is a manufactured rat beef?

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I think it might be, in the same way...

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This is Meat Mill versus Drake.

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Two people might fight when they both have an album coming out and it boosts both of

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their sales.

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Yeah, for sure.

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Now, I'm not saying that Glenn Beck is even necessarily in on or knows what's going on.

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Right.

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Anything like that.

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But I do think that it appears to be a strategy where you have two people who are ostensibly

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saying similar things, and you have a petty argument of some sort.

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And what you do is you create a radicalization ping pong game.

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It's a perfect chamber wherein things only get worse.

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Because it's easy if you're like a Fox News watcher or you're somebody who has inclinations

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towards the right.

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It's really easy to fall into Glenn Beck.

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It's more difficult to fall into Alex Jones.

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He is much more extreme.

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He yells about shit all the time.

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He references documents that he wants you to read that you'll never be able to find.

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All this stuff is very confusing to the immediate viewer.

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Glenn Beck is very easy.

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So the baby step from sort of normal, well-meaning conservative can be to go to Glenn Beck, right?

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Right.

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You become a Glenn Beck fan.

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You get sort of used to that temperature of water, then there's someone who is out there

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who's yelling that Glenn Beck is a fraud, and the two of them have a beef that may or

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may not be one-sided.

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Almost certainly one-sided.

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And what that does is create the opportunity to jump from the sort of warm water of Glenn

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Beck into the scalding hot water of Alex Jones without noticing it's so hot and burning yourself.

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Right, right, right.

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And the only people who would really pay, or not pay, but the only people who would

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really benefit from that a ton is people who want to push things much further to the right.

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Yeah.

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And by doing that, if people are leaving from Glenn Beck to go to Alex Jones, enjoying the

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incredibly hot water, then Glenn Beck is going to heat up his own water in order to get those

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people back.

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Alex, in order to get...

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Not necessarily.

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I'm not saying it that way.

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Because then he stops serving his purpose.

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Right.

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Because if he gets too hot, then he isn't a good entry point anymore, which may actually

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accidentally have been what happened in terms of this.

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I don't know.

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I don't think that this is necessarily what happened, but I would not be surprised at

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all if the same people who were paying for Glenn Beck in his rise to prominence were

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also eventually paying Alex Jones to serve as the more extreme version of him.

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Right.

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I think that serves all of their purposes incredibly well.

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Yeah.

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It makes sense.

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The reason that I fall short of saying that I think that that's the case is because it

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is a crazy thing to say.

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No.

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What's the business...

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Vertical integration.

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It's controlling the entire...

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You control the entire method of production.

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I feel uncomfortable about the sort of speculative nature of what I'm saying, but at the same

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time, I find it very difficult to look at the picture that we have in front of us, knowing

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what I know.

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Like, for example, I know that Alex Jones's dad lost a ton of oil revenue from the lands

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that he owned in Texas pretty recently before this.

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I know that Alex Jones moved into a new studio where the rent was higher around this time.

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I know that he just had the John Birch Society president on and changed a number of his positions

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mid-interview with him.

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I know that FreedomWorks and Americans for Prosperity funnel tons of money, and they

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are run by the children of one of the founding members of the John Birch Society.

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I know that a couple months after this episode, Alex Jones has a money bomb.

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So I know a number of things that make it look really difficult for me to not think

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there's something up here.

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And the fact that the day after the John Birch Society president was on the show, Alex pivots

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his position on Glenn Beck from being someone who, eh, he's like an annoying fly.

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You shoo him away.

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He's inconsequential, but probably not great news.

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I don't wanna hang out with him, but I'm not gonna get into a fight with him.

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To now being like, he's a danger.

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Yeah.

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I don't know how else to look at that other than through like, huh, that's fucking weird.

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Right.

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And all the confluence of it.

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Yeah.

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I could just, it feels like the easiest way I can explain that is Alex needs money.

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He knows someone who's got money.

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Serves a purpose.

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Yeah.

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No, no, no.

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I get where there's smoke, there is probably Nazis burning books in a fire.

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This could mean nothing.

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It could be nothing.

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I could be making a mountain out of a molehill.

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I don't know.

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But the facts on the ground lead me to think this is something I gotta keep my eye on and

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look into a little bit more.

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So we'll see as time goes on.

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But like he's straight up just doing a show where he's going, he just ends up keeps on

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dunking on Glenn Beck.

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Here, at this point, he invites Jason Burmas onto the show.

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And the two of them have a little bit of a shit on Glenn Beck session.

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That's a fun.

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I think the best thing about this, Alex, is we are continuing to expose Glenn Beck as

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a wolf in sheep's clothing.

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I mean, we've had a lot of pressure over the last few months in this office alone.

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Email's telling us, no, Glenn Beck is coming around.

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He's telling us the truth about the financial institutions.

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He does this every year.

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He comes out and says there's a new world order, law of the sea treaty, and then let's

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arrest all the Ron Paul supporters and use troops against them.

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They're dangerous enemies.

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Every year he says, oh, you can trust me.

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I'm going to fight the new world order.

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There are holidays.

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Yeah, this is all a bunch of bull.

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Now that you trust me, you don't trust the Internet.

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Trust me.

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I'm going to debunk this with the fathers of yellow journalism.

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Yeah.

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And the fact that he's putting together a quote unquote 912 project that he's very proud

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that over a quarter million people have joined really turns in my stomach.

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I mean, this guy is trying to piggyback.

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Which is what the force compulsory service bills state.

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They say it's going to be a 911 912 project where they do all this in the name of 911.

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Yeah, a 911 call to service day.

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He's following the reports he is following.

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That's what I said.

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What are you guys talking about?

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He'll say I'm a patriot.

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Fight the new world order.

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Let's arrest the militias.

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I mean, this guy is doing a psychological bait and switch.

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People who aren't sophisticated are falling for it.

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There is something up here.

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That was a barrage of two idiots agreeing with each other about lies that they're telling

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almost past each other.

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Like, I don't even know if they're talking about the same thing.

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Glenn Beck is following the Mayak report.

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He's following it?

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I don't know.

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I don't know how you would follow the descriptive report.

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Well, they put a little piece of wood and they have the Mayak report hanging by a little

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string and he keeps trying to run towards it and he just can't get there.

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Fruitless endeavor.

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Oh, so I don't know.

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This is something that is very interesting to me, but we will have to see how it plays

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out.

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And I was really hoping that this is a Friday.

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And so, like, I was really hoping that Sunday's episode would give me more insight into this,

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but it fucking doesn't.

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The whole thing is just an interview with Webster Tarpley about how the Obama deception

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is great.

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I don't want to talk about Webster Tarpley.

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No.

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Well, we will later, but not on this episode because Alex is trying to create his second

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Obama film and Webster Tarpley is now in town visiting.

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So I think he's going to be a guest on a lot of episodes.

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He's going to take a couple of flyers on that.

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But that reflects, too, the fact that Alex is in, like, sort of a tough situation is

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that, like, his entire show on Sunday, the 29th of May, is all just an interview with

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Webster Tarpley that serves as almost an infomercial for the Obama deception.

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And that's because he has wider distribution on his Sunday shows.

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So he's using that as a platform to put out the...

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So this reflects the pivot and the change that happens over time, where now Sunday shows

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are kind of like an afterthought, whereas before, they were where you could actually

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get much more marketing done.

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Huh.

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Yeah, it's interesting.

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That is interesting.

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I don't know how to synthesize all this, but there is a clue somewhere that's going to

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make it all make sense, and it's probably in the near future.

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For now, much like Alex Jones in the past about Glenn Beck, I'm wary.

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Oh, boy.

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I got my eyes open, but we'll see.

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We are...

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You are looking for Carmen Sandiego.

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Where in the world is this Alex Jones?

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Where in the world is this guy going?

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So in this next clip, we see another thing that's a little bit interesting, and that

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is that Alex Jones has been made aware of UKIP.

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Oh, boy.

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Up till this point, Alex Jones did not know about Nigel Farage.

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Is Tommy Robinson in the game back then, too?

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I think he's still going by Steven Yaxley-Lennon at this point.

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I think he's actually...

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In 2009, I think he was in straight up Nazi groups.

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Yeah.

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I'm pretty sure if I recall his timeline correctly, he was operating anonymously as the leader

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of the European Front or whatever.

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Right.

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No, the European Defense League.

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Oh, that's not good.

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No.

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The EDL.

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Although that...

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Bringing that up, that actually...

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If we're talking about Tommy Robinson, you take a look at where his money comes from,

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it reinforces your theory on Alex Jones and these guys getting so much money.

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Why would these same groups that we're so used to seeing fund all these right-wing lunatics

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also fund an out-and-out Nazi in Britain if they weren't also funding all kinds of out-and-out

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Nazis?

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And further to the point, why would they not fund Alex?

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Exactly.

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That's the other thing that's kind of is like a tough head scratcher.

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Right.

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With this, I don't know if this is necessarily indicative of any like,

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oh, this is clear that someone's influencing him.

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But he's been made aware of UKIP and he plays a long compilation of just completely out-of-context

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clips of Nigel Farage yelling at Gordon Brown on the floor and stuff like that.

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And it's interesting because he does know Lord Moncton at this point.

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Okay.

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Well, that's nice.

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But only as a climate denier.

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So he's aware of Lord Moncton as someone who's like, climate change isn't real and all that

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shit.

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He doesn't know Nigel Farage.

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Farage doesn't show up on his show until a couple months down the line from here.

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He doesn't really know about the UK Independence Party.

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He's not particularly interested in it except for like broader speaking trends that he has

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about like getting rid of the EU.

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Right.

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Stuff like that.

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Right, right, right.

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So it's interesting because he plays this long, long compilation of Farage yelling on

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the floor and then he comes back from break with this.

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And if you talk about what you just heard, Rush Limbaugh, and the rest of them come out

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and say you're a kook, all we do is watch the European Parliament.

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All we do is watch C-SPAN and read the bills.

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Really?

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All we do is read the Army War College admitting and preparing to wage war against the American

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people.

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You guys ever like play pool or something?

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And the enemy tells us we lie.

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No, you lie.

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They're digging the grave for our republic.

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All right.

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Oh boy.

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So it's interesting.

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It's really interesting to me to see this now being folded into Alex's world.

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Again, immediately after the interview with the John Birch Society guy, we see the introduction

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of the presence of the UK Independence Party and Nigel Farage being someone that Alex is

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not saying by name because I don't think he knows his name at this point even.

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He never says Nigel Farage.

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He doesn't give any names of these politicians or if he watches all this and reads all the

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bills, you would know who he is, he's just like, these guys are really giving it to the

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idea of a greater Britain being in the war.

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You should know, you should be able to talk about this more if you're as much of an expert

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as you think, but it's here and it's a huge part of his stuff moving forward.

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The resistance to globalism in the EU is Nigel Farage and UKIP for Alex.

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So this is the beginning of that.

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So this is the beginning of our international nationalist alliance.

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He said pro-Russia stuff in 2009.

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Yeah, that's true.

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I mean, he's used the Russian angle on the Ukrainian gas crisis.

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But that's from the Russian side.

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And so this is true of so much of Nigel Farage and UKIP and all that shit.

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They too are funded by right-wing billionaires in the United States so that we start to see

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this coming at this time.

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That's right.

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While all of these guys are together.

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And this is the first time that Alex starts bringing up the UK lunatics alongside him

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meeting the John Birch Society or having him on his show, obviously not meeting him for

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the first time.

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They had talked before, apparently.

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But there does seem to be a...

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There's a constellation.

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Yeah, if not coordinated, then fucking connected.

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It's just, it's a lot.

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Yeah.

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It's a lot.

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And I don't really...

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It's tough for me to do this as a show because I don't want to put out into the world something

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that would lead one of our listeners to think that we're demonstrating that this is now

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a broad conspiracy of all these things because we're not.

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We need to prove that.

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We need to find whatever indications we can find.

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And as we look into it, if we find things that disprove whatever we're suspecting, I'm

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fine with that.

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That's kind of how we work.

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Yeah, I'm fine if we run down the line and it gets to like, oh no, that absolutely doesn't

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work.

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Alex is clearly not getting money that we think he's getting.

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Well, just think about all the theories we had during our 2015 investigation.

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Like the entire time we're doing that, we're speculating we've got all these different

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things and we're like, this makes sense and this goes on.

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And then two days later, we're like, well, that's fucking stupid.

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That doesn't make any sense now.

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You adjust as you learn.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And I hope that everyone understands that that's the position we're coming from.

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Not a position of authority or knowing.

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We're in a position of knowing a number of pieces that look weird and we'll see if those

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puzzle pieces fit together to the picture that we think it will, but we're ready to

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re-run.

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The other thing, too, is that I would understand a criticism of the speculation that we're

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doing if there's only one or two pieces.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Instead of a constellation, a line segment, if you will.

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Well, but like if just the president of the John Birch Society was on his show and then

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the next day he insulted Glenn Beck, I wouldn't think that was the biggest deal in the world.

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I would say the popular mechanics thing would be the biggest deal in the world.

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That's the hugest deal.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Because then it's like...

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They're so popular.

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Well, but then it'd be like, well, that's coincidental timing, but Alex does hate it

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when people say that he's wrong and show that he's wrong.

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And it's petty.

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Right.

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So I would be like, yeah, that makes sense with that.

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But all of the other little pieces around it just make me... it just smells bad.

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It does.

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I don't know.

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We'll see.

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There's something wrong there.

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So anyway...

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We are also starting the 913 movement, which encourages everybody to think back to 913,

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the day after Glenn Beck started his 912 movement and how it made you feel.

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And that is that Glenn Beck is a huge shit bag.

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There is also... what I was going to say is that they're misrepresenting even what Glenn

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Beck's 912 thing was about.

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They really don't have a handle on it even.

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Did anybody really have a handle on it?

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It was such a vague, nebulous and stupid concept that it was hard to pin down exactly what

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it was he was trying.

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I don't think it was.

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I think it was pretty specific.

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It was trying to recapture that feeling you had on 912, which that's vague.

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But then the 9 principles and 12 guidelines or whatever, those were very specific.

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So I mean, there's a lot of ways to criticize him.

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I don't think that's one of them.

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Look, who gives a shit?

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Okay.

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Who gives a shit?

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All they know is that they need to start attacking Glenn Beck and they're doing it.

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So great.

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Now, at this point, Alex Jones welcomes a guest onto the show.

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Oh, I should also say, coincidentally, another piece of my constellation is Bob Chapman's

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on this episode.

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God damn it.

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Bob Chapman doesn't sell gold.

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They don't talk about it at all because Alex is too busy trying to complain about Glenn

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Beck.

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So there is a replacement of Bob Chapman's normal role on the show.

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I haven't listened to an episode in months that Bob Chapman didn't exist specifically

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to set up Alex on the volleyball court to spike a gold.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Ted Anderson doesn't come on the show when Bob Chapman's on here at all.

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He's just on as a sort of guy to agree with Alex while he's complaining about Glenn Beck

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and all of these FEMA camp things.

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Which in a vacuum, you'd just be like, well, Alex is bitching.

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And so when the spirit gets good to him in bitching, he will run through every possible

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break and every chance to sell.

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But amidst all of the other data points, this is a little bit more glaring.

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Just for the sake of complete honesty, I have heard episodes where Bob Chapman's on and

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they don't sell gold, but they are fucking rare.

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They probably have heard three ever.

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Yeah, so I mean, it's not like it never happens.

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So it's within the realm of like, it could be a real crazy coincidence, right?

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Just it's another fucking thing.

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Anyway, those three times were Bob Chapman's birthday, I assume, where they held a surprise

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party on air.

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The anniversary of Rhodesia.

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Yeah, for sure.

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And then the day he lost his virginity.

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Right.

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That was the other one.

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They just actually rode out for a while.

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That's March 27th.

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All right.

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Well, we can all look forward to that indeed.

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So we're not going to listen to any of Bob Chapman's appearance, but we are going to

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spend a bit of time with another guest.

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Alex has a guy on for a good fucking hour or so.

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This guy is nuts.

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So much going on.

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Oh.

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Daughter Scott Whitaker is a board certified naturopathic daughter with over 20 years of

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experience.

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Not a thing.

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Uh oh.

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Not a thing.

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What?

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What's the board certification for natural path doctors?

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Oh, there's a blue ribbon panel of natural path.

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Did the check clear Jesus.

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Oh boy.

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Board certified naturopath.

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Great.

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That's pretty awesome.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So we got Scott Whitaker on the show who wrote a book called medicine, but it's sin like

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it's sin.

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Nice.

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Well done.

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So here's another little bit of his introduction.

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He obtained a doctorate of naturopathy from the international school of naturopathy in

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Los Altos, California.

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So Alex is reading from his bio there now.

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This is interesting.

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He didn't even obtain the fake thing that he didn't obtain.

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Well, if you Google international school of naturopathy in Los Altos, California, you

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will not find a real school.

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It's not even the University of Phoenix online.

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Even more interestingly, you don't even find reviews of a fake school or a website built

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to try and convince people that a diploma mill is a real school.

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That's the case with most of these places.

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Like just a website with a mailing address.

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And do you want to doctor it today?

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Well, like a lot of those, like that's what you'll find with like you look into any of

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doctor groups, credentials, those websites that are like, Hey, we're not fake.

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Here's the course.

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Now you can take them on.

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We're not fake.

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You can take them online and then pay us $5,000.

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We're not a degree.

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That sort of thing.

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In fact, if you Google the name of this school, all you will find are links to Dr. Scott

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Whitaker and his book.

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He made up his own fake school.

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It appears he gave himself his own degree from his own fake school.

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I love this man.

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That is a grip.

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I can't confirm this, but it appears that the only place this name for a school even

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exists is in his bio.

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Now the fun part about this, you know, I'm a tribunal approved star talker.

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Did you know that?

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I have that document that in your bio.

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So the fun part about this from the interstellar school of ministry, most natural path doctors

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are running scams.

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Not all of them, but most of them.

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But this guy realized that the very real trend and decided to cut out the middleman, just

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make up a school where you can claim he got a degree.

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That's smart.

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That's what it appears to be.

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That is PR.

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Like you say, on some level, I respect that.

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Yeah, that's a good hustle.

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If it's a fake degree, there's no reason to pay someone thousands of dollars to get it.

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It just makes sense or even a couple hundred dollars.

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It just makes sense.

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If it's just a couple hundred, that's still saving you.

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You shouldn't even really have to pay Kinko's.

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Just print it out on your home printer, man.

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I'm not even sure he did that much.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, here is what Dr.

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Scott Whitaker wants to bring to the program.

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It's good to have you here.

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This is a short segment.

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Just introduce yourself.

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You're awakening.

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And then let's get into all the research you've done and what you found.

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Two words, gingko biloba, 20 years of experience in holistic medicine, nutritional detoxification.

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Sound trust really.

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Been traveling the world, been about nine countries, studying those healing sciences

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over in Africa and Asia, bringing them back to America and using them and applying them

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and getting phenomenal results with everyone I come in contact with regarding their particular

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condition.

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So which conditions?

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The holistic approach to healing is the only way I go.

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Because you can't go any other way.

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Well, yeah, because it's illegal for him to go any other way.

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Is nothing but a death trap.

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But that's what he would like to tell you.

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Yes.

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Now he's not licensed to do anything else except for go that route.

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But real hospitals, death trap.

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That sounds right.

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Death trap.

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They do have a high rate of infection.

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Death trap.

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How about what if you break your leg?

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Death trap.

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Oh, shit.

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Actually, that's not fair, because in this next clip, he does explain.

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Whitaker does explain that there are some instances wherein you should go to a hospital.

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But the hospitals are set up.

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They're all set up for drugs, surgery.

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The only reason or purpose that someone would ever want to go to a hospital is for emergency

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reasons, emergencies being gunshot wounds, car accidents, amputations, stab wounds, things

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of that sort.

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Why is everything so violent with you?

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Other than that, you can forget it.

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There is no cure ever coming from the current medical establishment for anything.

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Except for stab wounds.

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Except for...

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Hospitals can cure stab wounds, but nothing else.

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Or a gunshot or you're hit by a car or whatever.

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Yeah.

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Or amputations.

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No reason given.

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I think it really goes without saying that this is a really dangerous line of thought.

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Oh, yeah?

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And really fucked up for Alex to be signing off on, because there's so much more that

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hospitals do.

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Yeah.

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Just because you want to demonize science because you're afraid that, I don't know,

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regulations are gonna start popping up that make your scams untenable or illegal to pull

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off.

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I don't know.

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Shocking that they aren't already, but okay.

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Yeah, you could be concerned about that and want to create a grassroots awakening of people

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who think that doctors and hospitals just are there to be a death trap.

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That's fine.

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Right.

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But then there's so much preventative medicine that has saved millions of lives over the

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years that have nothing to do with crisis emergency medicine.

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This is a ludicrous thing for someone to be saying.

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It borders on lethally dangerous.

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Yeah, no, that's ill-advised.

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Absolutely.

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And not even that, but the very things that he's describing that hospitals do also include

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the other things that hospitals do.

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What do you mean?

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It's not like a surgery is just they, well, I assume in his world, all surgeries are just

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amputations.

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Like if you get into a car accident or you break your leg, they're just like, okay, well,

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we'll cut it off.

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But if you are performing a surgery, that involves antiseptic, that involves so many

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different things to prevent.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And also if you're getting an amputation, that usually means like some out of control

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infection or maybe frostbite or something like that.

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Which you're gonna need antibiotics for.

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Which also apparently holistic medicine can't fucking handle.

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So there's one strike, asshole.

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Yeah.

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The same antibiotics that you would use to avoid infection can also be used prior to

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having surgery.

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Right.

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Man.

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That's not to say that like our medical system even take out the financial aspect of it.

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It's not to say that it works every time or that we got it all down.

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No.

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But it is far and away better than your herb nonsense.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Some people can be helped by some of that holistic medicine stuff, though.

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That's why it's important to have.

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Placebos are important.

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Yeah.

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There's that part of it.

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But then there is also some things that do help.

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I mean, yeah.

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It can also hurt.

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A support structure and all that stuff.

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Holistic medicine can mean a lot of things to a lot of different people.

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And so it's...

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To him, they are lies.

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It's not right to demonize all of it.

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But there was, I believe, like an old Love Lion episode.

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Dr Drew made a nice point, and that was that if all of this herb-based sort of natural

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healing worked, there would be no reason that medicine would have ever developed.

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No, that sounds wrong.

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There is no reason that you would have ever come up with all of this stuff.

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No one would have studied the hours and hours of failed experiments that lead to the one

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successful one if all of it was already taken care of.

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International global conspiracy, Dan.

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It's gotta be.

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It's gotta be.

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They removed our memories of this naturopathic medicine in order to have a monopoly on medicine,

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but they don't really want a monopoly on medicine for healing.

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They want it for death traps.

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Well, and a lot of...

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And then their goals are to create MRI machines.

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Yes.

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In order to find the implants in your brain.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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A lot of the sort of natural cures and stuff probably did help a lot more in earlier times

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in human history, but since we've created more pollution, more...

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That sort of stuff, though, as societies have changed, the conditions that we have changed

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because of the sort of human world interactions that we have introduced.

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Right.

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Like the things that...

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Like smallpox to everyone.

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Sure.

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All those things didn't necessarily exist before, and they probably wouldn't have been treated

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by natural medicine back then, even if they did, because they'd just be like,

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they've got a demon inside you.

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Nothing we can do about that.

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Wow.

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You're just gonna die while we chant over you or something, which is kind of the same thing as...

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Naturopathic.

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Yeah, fair enough.

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But anyway, look...

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I would put that on my side.

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First off, board certified by made up nonsense.

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Second, I'ma chant over you while you die.

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Also, my school is real.

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Yeah, totally real.

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Who said it wasn't?

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What, did you Google it?

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How dare you?

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You can't trust that.

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Even fake things have remnants online.

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Even a fake diploma mill, you can find some version of like,

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oh, that's what this is.

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All of it goes back to his bio.

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I know, but I like that grift.

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You're absolutely right.

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If you're gonna get a fake degree, why would you pay somebody for the fake degree

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when you can just make it up yourself?

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The problem comes down to the same problem that exists with people with real fake degrees.

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And that is that they have the pretend authority to say things like he's saying on this show

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that are dangerous to people who may need actual medical advice.

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I just don't see the difference really between a fake fake degree and a real fake degree.

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No, I agree.

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They have the same problem.

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There's an issue with both.

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So Whitaker wants to give an analogy here or like sort of a condemnation

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of the medical establishment.

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And it's really interesting the way he phrases this.

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Pay close attention here.

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There is no cure ever coming from the medical establishment because they don't want a cure.

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The goal is to keep you at least about halfway sick and halfway alive

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so they can drain your account and then send you off to your grave.

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You're right.

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I love a good Alex doesn't have anything to say.

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So he says, you're right.

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So I wanted you to pay close attention to that because this is an interesting sort of

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conception that he's putting forth.

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And that is the idea that they want to keep you half sick and half healthy.

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And in that way, they can keep you in a state where they can drain your bank account.

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Right.

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Now let's look at Alex Jones.

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What he does is keeps his audience in a state where they're constantly

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about to be the victims of genocide.

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Sure.

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But at the same time, they're also victorious over these genocidal eugenics forces.

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I don't understand your point.

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He keeps them in a half alive, half asleep state or whatever.

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That doesn't sound right.

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Half sick, half healthy from a worldview standpoint in order to constantly keep them on board

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and scared enough that they are motivated to buy things.

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But victorious enough that they don't feel like it's pointless to keep supporting.

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That is somebody who is in the bank of big hospital.

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That's what you're saying right there.

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All I hear is propaganda for pro hospitals.

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You are just making these wild connections.

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I'm not.

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Alex is trying to save people's lives with Dr. Group's fake fucking supplements.

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Not yet.

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And so now you're going to criticize this guy's fake supplements.

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That is a hospital thinking.

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You're a suppressive hospital person, Dan.

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I want you out of here.

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I'm an SHP.

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The doctor group is not around yet, just to be very clear.

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Alex is selling Dr. Wallach's products, though, like the on tangy tangerine and what have you.

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And it should be pointed out that Dr.

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Wallach is a veterinarian.

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He is not a doctor for humans.

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No shortage of grips.

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No shortage of grips.

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So there is still like a medical hustle going on, but it's not as advanced as it is once

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Group comes into the picture.

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It's still just sort of nascent with the...

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Hey, man, dog penicillin is still penicillin.

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Still good.

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Yeah.

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Still works.

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Fine.

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So he's presenting like some dangerous ideas and then also an interesting metaphor that

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accidentally sums up Alex's business model.

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But in this next clip, I think Whitaker crosses the line into like severely dangerous,

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stupid thinking.

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And so then they want to come out and give this garter seal to our little girls ages

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of nine and 26.

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Oh, no.

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The sterilization program.

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And the body actually gets rid of the so-called HPV.

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What?

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And that is not true.

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It only kills 3000 people a year, and that's folks that already have autoimmune problems.

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So this is really...

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Well, is he saying first off that, so wait, so the fake doctor with the fake degree from

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his own fake school is saying that the body naturally gets rid of HPV, which is some sort

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of call back to the body naturally gets rid of rape pregnancies.

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And then Alex is like, yeah, see how not real it is?

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It only kills 3000 people a year.

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That doesn't make sense if the body could naturally get rid of it.

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Those are people who already have autoimmune disorders.

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HPV is an auto...

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Well, it blows up into an autoimmune disorder.

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See, the issue here is that HPV, the problem with it is that it's a precursor for cervical

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cancer in women.

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This is why creating a vaccine for it is very important, because as recently as the 1950s,

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cervical cancer was a leading cause of death in adult women.

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In the 50s, the pap smear was introduced, which led to much earlier diagnosis of the

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condition, and the number of deaths went down.

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But with a vaccine that protects women from HPV, you have the ability to essentially eliminate

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the fatal risk of cervical cancer.

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No, it's just turning our girls into sluts, Dan.

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And also, he says...

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And it's killing them.

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Whitaker says, I believe it's a sterilization thing.

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Defend that premise.

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Oh, I believe it.

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Fine.

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That's not what a doctor would say.

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Everybody who's gotten Gardasil so far has become sterile within two to three days.

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Not true.

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And that's...

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Oh, is that not true?

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That's not how a doctor would present his positions.

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That would be irresponsible to say, I just believe this.

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I believe you need an amputation, which is why you came to this hospital.

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So Alex trots out that only 3,000 deaths occur annually from HPV.

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And while it's true that the number is closer to like 4,000 or 5,000, and that only reflects

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the United States, that's only because of the advances made in screening and detection

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in the years since the 1950s, since which time the incidence and death rate for cervical

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cancer has dropped about 60%.

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I understand that grammatically, since which time is correct.

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However, I heard it instantly.

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Since which time?

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The drop...

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Since we burned women at the stake for HPV.

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The drop that we've seen wasn't thanks to holistic medicine or naturopaths.

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It was thanks to the development of the pap smear, the dedicated researchers who figured

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out how HPV causes cervical cancer in the 80s, and the folks who have now developed

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a vaccine.

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The only reason Alex can flippantly pretend that 3,000 annual deaths, you can just toss

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that around in order to make it seem like it's not a big deal, is because of the work

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of the very people him and Whitaker here are trying to demonize.

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It's very, very stupid, and it's dangerous.

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It's a severely dangerous mentality to put out into the world, especially when what you

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have to back it up is, I believe that this is the case, that it's a sterilization thing,

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and not about trying to make sure that we have a completely, like, we could get rid

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of it.

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Well, but that's the process by which this shit always works with how stupid humanity

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is.

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It is a massive problem, and we spend all this time and effort trying to fix it, and

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as we get closer and closer to a solution, it stops being a massive problem, and the

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people for whom it was a massive problem are dead.

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So the next generation is like, see, it's not a problem, and it never was, and nobody's

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ever fixed it, and yada, yada, yada.

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And it's not a problem for men.

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Like, HPV doesn't turn into cervical cancer for men.

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I'm sure that doesn't account to their thinking at all.

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So, like, when he's saying the idea that, like, the body takes care of cervical, or

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I'm sorry, HPV, what he might be expressing is just the idea that for men it doesn't really

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matter.

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That's like saying that for men abortion doesn't really matter, so they work to restrict

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it.

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That sounds crazy.

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Weird.

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So, like I'm saying, a lot of his ideas are, like, really dangerous, but some of them are

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just outright wacky stupid.

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Like this next clip.

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You never want to bring cut roses to someone that you're visiting who is sick because you're

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giving off the essence of death.

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So you always want to bring a live plant.

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But the hospital, the MD, the MD who was considered by most people as a god.

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All those dead flowers.

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Misdirected.

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It's a priesthood.

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Uh, don't bring cut flowers.

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You're exuding death.

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No, that makes sense.

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Okay, man.

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That tracks.

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Don't bring rocks.

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Those aren't alive.

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Now...

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Could kill somebody.

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Now someone who's a doctor would probably need a study to back that up.

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Do you mean somebody who's been indoctrinated into the priesthood?

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That's why indoctrinated.

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You better believe it.

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See?

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Fun with words.

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I did it.

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Yeah.

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Problem solved.

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I mean, I folded up a $20 bill and saw that hospitals were death traps.

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See, you would need to do a study of people who were brought flowers and vases and cut

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flowers, but you could never do that study because you'd be endangering the people who

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you're bringing cut flowers to.

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It would be an unethical study to carry out.

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If your premise made any sense at all, yes, I would agree with you, Dan.

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Yes.

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If anybody in the medical community agreed that bringing cut flowers was a risk, then

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the study itself would of course be unethical.

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It's unethical.

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However, I don't think anybody is like...

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This guy is a doctor and he's telling me that it's fucking dangerous to bring cut flowers

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because it exudes death.

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I believe him.

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He has a degree.

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I don't think the Mayo Institute would object to that study being done.

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I don't think they'd be like, hey, hey now, you're possibly killing patients.

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It's crazy.

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We can't have this double blind study going on.

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You'll make people go blind.

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So we see the other sort of stuff that he believes, which is insanity.

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And in his next clip, earlier in the show, Alex started out talking about things that

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made it very clear that he's a sovereign citizen.

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Well, guess what?

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So is Dr. Whitaker.

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In court pleadings, you pray.

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It's a Roman civil court.

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He wears the black robes of Saturn.

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The judges will tell you this.

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This is even taught in law books.

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And that's all a temple as well.

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This is a cult, but medicine.

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Please continue.

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Oh, yes, no doubt.

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Because all the court systems under the British admiralty regulations, most of the flags have

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gold fringes.

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Oh, boy.

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But the hospitals.

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So get back to the hospitals now.

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Yeah, that's a mess, man.

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And here in this next clip, I just want to run through some of the stupidity here.

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So here, listen to this.

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OK.

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And so when you go in, if you're going, I know some of you are still using your HMOs

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and your PPOs and all these different health management systems, because that's what they

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are.

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They're there to manage your disease.

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You've got to be aware that when you go in, it's like a recruitment scheme to scare you.

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They create fear, F-E-A-R, false evidence appearing real.

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And then they got you.

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If you turn it into an acronym, it must be true, Dan.

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See, that's something that I remember from Gary Busey saying all the time when he was

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on celebrity rehab.

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Yep.

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And I also have heard that- Wait, so is Gary Busey a sovereign citizen?

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No, he just uses acronyms for everything.

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I know.

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That's my favorite.

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Is it Adomian who does the great Gary Busey?

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Yeah, and he does a million acronyms for literally every possible thing?

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Yeah.

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Adomian's great, man.

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Yeah, not Adomian, but Busey would do that all over VH1 television in the years when

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I was watching a ton of it.

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Did not know that.

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Yeah.

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So you just get the sense that this guy is coming from not a healthy place, ironically,

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as he's presenting himself as a doctor.

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Nice.

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But we do get...

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Do you know what this sounds so much like while they're doing this right now?

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This sounds like daytime TV for moms watching...

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Dr. Oz?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's that same kind of conspiratorial bullshit.

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It's crazy dangerous Dr. Phil.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Yeah, what are they doing?

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This is pathetic.

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It's a little scary, but it gets really interesting here at the end, because what happens is an

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actual doctor calls in.

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Oh, no.

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An oncologist calls in.

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Oh, no.

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And he wants to point out that this is bad.

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Guys, I Googled your school and would you please give me perhaps an address?

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Some phone number?

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He is much nicer than someone asking that kind of question might be.

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Uh, you're on the air, Scott.

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Hi, you know, I think the world is not so black and white as your guest is portraying

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it.

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I'm an oncologist and there's a 90% cure rate for testicular cancer.

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A young guy has testicular cancer and he, because he listens to your guest, does not

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go to a doctor, there's a good chance he's going to die, where he has a 90% cure rate.

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Does your guest have that kind of treatment success with vitamins?

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I don't think so.

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So he brings up a very good point.

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And that's whatever the fake doctor, like he heard the man say oncologist and then he

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disappears in a puff of smoke like a cartoon.

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Whoops.

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Got an exit stage left.

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Bye bye.

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So he brings up a very good point and that is that this is dangerous.

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This is what you're putting out into the world.

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Unless you can back this up with some kind of like studies, research that you've done,

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some peer reviewed information.

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And I'm telling you, we don't have a ton of clips of this, but this doctor who calls in

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is incredibly fair.

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And he keeps saying like, I believe that there is a place for holistic approaches.

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There are people who incorporate it really well and have shown some techniques do have

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some appropriate applications.

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He's not coming in and being like, you're full of shit.

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Just saying like, hey, listen, if someone who could be helped with early detection of

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a cancer, let's say, doesn't do it because he believes this guy, he might die.

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You might be killing people.

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Oh, what's that?

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Oh, you're, you're, you what?

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You testicular cancer has a 90% cure rate with your death trap medicine.

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Do you know what I have with fish oil?

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91% cure rate, Dan.

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Science.

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You're not far off.

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Done.

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You're not far off from Whitaker's response.

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Okay, of course.

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I mean, you made some points, Whitaker, you want to comment on the oncologist?

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Well, all he mentioned was testicular cancer and the other one in formula.

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I've done both of those.

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I'm calling you out diabetes.

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I would like to see your statistics.

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I highly doubt that that's the case.

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I mean, have you done a trial?

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Have you got a scientific study?

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I mean, you're the arrogant person, sir.

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I mean, I, I'm a researcher, I'm a researcher.

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Why would I have to doubt it?

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If you say that, I believe you.

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Why?

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I'm not doubting you.

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Well, I mean, I'd like you to publish your results.

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You know, I would like you to draw a study.

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So I can.

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Hold on.

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There are a lot of medical studies though, about the power of different vitamins and

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minerals and plant extracts.

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I mean, that's out there.

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Yes, but there's a lot of synthetic vitamin studies that have been negative lately.

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So I, I love that response.

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I don't, why don't you believe me?

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I believe you.

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I don't, I don't think that Whitaker understands how science works.

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I don't think he understands how studies work or statistics.

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I don't think he understands.

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I just think he thinks that everyone who has ever come to him has been healed because he

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has, maybe they don't believe it.

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Maybe they died, but he doesn't know that I cured him.

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I can't imagine he does patient follow-up anything like that.

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This is crazy.

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Like that response.

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The that response is like, yeah, he's saying he has a 90% success rate with testicular

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cancer.

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I got a hundred percent success rate.

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And then the doctor is saying like, I would like to see your statistics on that.

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It'd be like, listen to this arrogance.

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Listen to this man being so arrogant.

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That is great.

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No, no.

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Do you know what the answer to him being like, why don't you trust me?

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I believe what you're saying. The answer to that is you shouldn't.

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Yeah.

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That's why we do this because whenever I publish a study, it's everybody else's job to not

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believe it until they can replicate the study.

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It's called science, man.

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Yeah.

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And we don't just believe we're doing this.

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And the idea that he's saying like, uh, you know, they're like, why don't you believe

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me?

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I believe you thing.

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It does lead me to believe that Dr. Whitaker isn't even aware of the studies about testicular

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cancer and the success rate and stuff like that.

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So that makes me a little concerned.

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Where would he have learned about them, Dan?

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That fake school?

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What makes me more concerned about it though, is that Alex isn't concerned.

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No, not at all.

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That Alex is getting defensive and trying to back up Dr. Whitaker because he has the,

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you know, the anti-vaccine arguments that Alex loves and that sort of thing.

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Or Alex bought 10,000 copies of his book.

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Could be.

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And is going to need to get rid of those.

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So when you have, when you have this, like it's clear that most of the world believes

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X, you believe Y and all of the sources that you can get to back up Y are people like him

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and like that lady, Dr. Rebecca Carley, who got her license taken away.

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Like if those are the only people you've got to back up your worldview, you're in trouble.

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You got a really bad worldview because if the like legitimate, respectable scientists

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did not believe mainstream science and they believe the things that Alex believes,

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it would not be hard to get people who knew what they were talking about

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to come on your show and have a conversation about it.

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It wouldn't be hard.

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Yeah.

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And the fact that you get people like this is, it just means that it means that the pool is shallow.

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It's one of those, it's one of those big, big differences between people who know things

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and study things and all of that shit versus these guys is as you were saying, whenever

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this actual oncologist who has spent his entire life studying this shit goes on the show,

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he's very reasonable.

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He says stuff like, no, yes, we have seen that holistic approaches can benefit the patient.

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We've done that in a bunch of studies.

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Yeah, he even calls out some guy who studied, I can't remember his name, but some guy who has

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like a credible study about it.

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And Alex is unaware of that guy, as is Dr. Whitaker.

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You have a point, but I would argue back and their argument is just,

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boo, you're wrong.

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Ha ha ha.

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And they make shit tons of money from it.

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Look at this arrogance.

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Yeah.

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Well, yeah, that's great.

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We have one more clip and it's after they,

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These doctor priests in their ivory towers with their studies.

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Not all of us got to go to college. Scratch that.

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Could you edit that out?

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You've got a, you've got a delay button, right?

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Don't, don't put that out there.

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According to his bio, he has a degree from Berkeley in civic engineering.

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And that might be true.

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Sure, sure.

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Why wouldn't you have a degree from Berkeley in civic engineering?

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And then all of a sudden decide to be a naturopath.

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From his telling of the story, he ended up meeting a native American

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on campus.

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Then we, then we traveled the land.

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Of course I wore a black bandana.

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It was, I didn't want to get into this part of his, his backstory.

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Gotcha.

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But the reason I didn't want to get into it is because it's kind of comical,

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but at the same time, it's like, there's a chance he did go to Berkeley and there's a

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chance he did meet some native American guy who got him off on his weird natural health path.

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All that stuff is possible.

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I can't, I don't know.

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I'm not going to, I'm not going to try and suss out his college transcript or anything.

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I'll leave that be and only talk about the stuff that I can sort of talk about.

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For sure.

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I'm just saying that a man who creates his own fake university awards himself his own

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fake degree.

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Then having a backstory involving an Indian medicine man is, uh, not the way I'm going

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to go with this.

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I don't fucking know.

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Fucking Webster Tarpley went to Princeton.

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He was a scholar.

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So who knows?

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Anyway, in this last clip, we hear Alex and Dr. Whitaker having a post game after they

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have, uh, ended the call with the oncologist.

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Kick that oncologist's ass, right?

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That was Scott from Maryland.

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We go back to Dr. Scott Whitaker.

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Um, I mean, that guy was not half as arrogant as most medical people are, was he?

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Well, you know, just the fact that he would immediately just blow mine off.

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It's like, Oh yeah, I doubt that.

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You know, he carries on with his jargon.

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But, uh, you know, everything has to be a scientific model.

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It's like they, uh, uh, uh, go to school and if it doesn't fit into this certain box and

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they don't believe it.

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Yes, that's science.

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That is that is a raving lunatic.

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Well, he's condemning the very idea of the scientific method in terms of like repeatability

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of studies, confirmability, uh, excluding extraneous variables, that sort of thing.

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He's like, they, they just are so trapped in their scientific ideas.

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Like, uh, yeah, man, good.

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I don't understand why that's a condemnation.

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You go to these colleges and if you don't think a certain way, you know, like with facts

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or whatever it is they call them, uh, then they're like, no, you're not allowed to go

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here.

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So you invent your own fake school.

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You, oh shit.

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You have a delay button, right?

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Press that delay button again.

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This is really just fucked up.

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I mean, it's a continuation of so many really fucked up things that we see in terms of Alex's

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medical positions.

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You know, we have like that interview with Rebecca Carley.

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That's really dangerous.

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You have him having like a Stubblebine and Rebo on talking about, uh, don't get vaccinated.

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Right.

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This guy coming in expressing like all medicine just wants to kill you and that sort of stuff.

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And it's like, I mean, it's kind of old hat, but it's an interesting new character with

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a couple of flourishes.

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And so I just hate that.

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I hate these people so much for their complete and utter, like they are not hurting themselves

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because if they enriching them, if they, yeah.

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And if they get into any kind of medical trouble, they're going right to the fucking hospital.

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Not taking an herb.

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No, they're hurting other people.

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So we've come to the end of this adventure and what we see is an interesting prospect

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for the future with Alex's, uh, his rhetoric sliding towards anti Glenn Beck involving

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UKIP weird constellation of things starting to happen.

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I think the ball might be starting to roll.

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It feels like it's starting to roll.

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Now that makes it worthwhile that we've spent so much time going over the last couple months

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of Alex's career because once the ball starts rolling, it'll become so much more apparent.

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The changes that are happening in real time as they're happening.

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So I'm excited to see that and we will see where the trend takes us and what conclusions

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we can make based on that.

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As for Alex having this fucking doctor on, that's just a look at this asshole kind of

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business.

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Yeah, that sucked.

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So, uh, hope you've enjoyed.

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We will be back next time, but for now we have a website.

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Do we have a website?

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We do.

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What's it called?

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Knowledgefight.com.

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Wait, so, so it's like www.knowledgefight.com, right?

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It's HTTP colon dash dash.

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There's no S.

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No, maybe.

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I don't know.

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It's HTTP, not HTTP.

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I never actually checked.

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I have no idea.

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I never actually checked to see if there was a difference or what the difference is.

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Well, the S I think is there when it's secured.

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So it's like if you're putting in credit card information or something like that.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Oh, cool.

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Yeah.

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Oh, well then we are super unsecured.

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Yeah.

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If you put your credit card information on our website.

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I don't know where you would.

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They just posted it in one of the comments section, right?

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If you want to leave us your social security number,

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you can do that on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight.

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Don't do that.

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Absolutely don't do that.

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We're also on Facebook.

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We are.

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You can put your credit card information on the group.

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That is go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.

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Don't do that.

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What else, Dan?

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Oh, we're on iTunes.

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Yes, that's correct.

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You can subscribe, leave a review.

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Indeed you can, Dan.

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Um, I can't say that Dr. Whitaker hasn't been responsible for death.

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I would assume he's been at least tertiary responsible for one.

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I can say that oncologist probably hasn't killed anybody.

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I don't know.

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On purpose.

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I don't know anything about him.

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But what if he's an angel of death?

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Yeah, you never know.

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Yeah, those hospitals can be death trapped.

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Man, we got a lot of people who might have some death in their past.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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Who else do we have on there?

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Bob Chapman.

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No, no, no.

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Glenn Beck probably hasn't killed anyone.

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By his own hands hasn't killed anybody.

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Maybe.

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Alex Jones technically probably.

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This is not satisfying in any way as a dichotomy, but whatever.

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Alex Jones probably technically killed a guy.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.