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Hey everybody, Dan here with a little apology slash clarification for y'all.

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I know in the intro to Monday's episode I promised that we were going to cover

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Alex's response to the news about Jeffrey Epstein's death on the Wednesday show,

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but you know what they say about plans, the best laid ones, mice, men, all that good stuff.

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We ran into a little bit of a barrier in terms of following through on that plan.

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I mentioned that on Saturday Alex released a two-minute video with his immediate response,

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which was actually just a one minute of him rambling in an airport with a ton of nervous-looking people behind him,

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and then one minute of commercials.

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It turns out that Alex was in that airport because he was going on vacation,

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and it turns out he's not going to be back until Friday, August 16th.

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He had Tom Papert, that boring guy who owns a station that still broadcasts Alex's show,

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and he had him hosting on the Sunday show this week.

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And Alex called in to ride shotgun, as he likes to put it.

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The stuff about Epstein was very boring and predictable,

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and it's just that the deep state killed him because they knew they couldn't use him to attack Trump, that sort of thing.

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But honestly, that wasn't most of what the episode covered.

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It seemed to me that Alex was far more interested in complaining about his vacation.

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According to Alex, he ran into some people in a pool who he decided were lawyers

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because they had what he describes as bike rider bodies.

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There's no real explanation about why having a bike rider body means that you're a lawyer,

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but somehow Alex is confident about his leap in logic.

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Anyway, these alleged lawyers harass Alex in this pool because the left is so evil

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that they can't even allow him to enjoy his vacation.

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And then I'm here at the hotel and five white yuppies, ruling class type.

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They all had their bicyclist bodies. I'm not saying that's a bad body type to have,

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but they all had that trimmed, professional look.

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Well, it's time for war, man. So they're going to come up to somebody with their 11-year-old girl and say,

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I hope you kill yourself.

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And the other woman says, I want you to die with their faces twisted in hate

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and the men's fist balled and breathing heavy.

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And you know, I'm a man, but I know they're full of it.

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I've learned about the left, so I started laughing at them and saying, hey, leave us alone.

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I don't want to hear it. Look what you're saying in front of a child.

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Oh, I notice you left love to abort babies, so no wonder you want me to kill you.

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You love death. And then, oh, one of the women goes,

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you're the one that killed those children in the shootings.

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I mean, it was incredible. This is the stuff that went on.

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Now, leaving aside how this absolutely didn't happen,

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and leaving aside how badly Alex wants to be the victim in all these stories that he tells,

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and leaving aside how it's super suspicious that Alex goes on a week-long vacation

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right after doing a huge Save Info Wars money bomb,

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what I want to focus on is how the pool is the most dangerous place for Alex to be.

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We all know he was accosted by globalists in that hot tub a while back.

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He had some globalists mess with him while he was lounging in the hot springs at Barton Springs, I believe.

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Alex can't manage to get into the water without some minion of the New World Order ruining his good time.

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He should have learned his lesson, stay out of the water, Alex.

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That's where the globalists come for you.

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Anyway, what I listened to, there wasn't an episode there to go over.

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And so today, what I'm going to do, and I hope you'll enjoy,

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is I'm going to present to you a Wacky Wednesday episode

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that Jordan and I recorded before he took off for his vacation.

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Now, I ask you this.

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Is it a conspiracy that Alex and Jordan went on vacation at the same time?

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It's definitely, probably, possibly a conspiracy,

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and please have a field day speculating about it.

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Since Alex has announced that he won't be back until Friday,

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I want to just let you all know that we're not going to have an episode on Friday this week

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due to just the difficulties of trying to pull it off and farm content to go over from,

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like, I don't know, he's probably going to have Robert Barnes hosting,

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have his lawyer host for the week, and I'm not in to listen to hours of Barnes talk.

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So we're just going to go ahead and take that day off.

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But we'll be back next week with coverage of everything that merits discussion,

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but I appreciate you all sticking around and having a good time.

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But for now, please enjoy this Wacky Wednesday adventure,

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and we will see you soon.

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Thank you.

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Bye.

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Bye.

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A little too loud, generally, and a little bit too aggressive.

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It's kind of like, I'm not so into this.

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Right.

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But all my buddies love them.

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One of my buddies, his little brother, Cooper, was in the band,

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and so, like, our friend group had a bit of an association,

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a lot of fans in my circle of friends, but some of the members of it became Cave.

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Okay.

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And they were the ones that ended up touring Europe and making some pretty great,

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I mean, it's good music.

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It's not my style.

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You don't need to get defensive about it.

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I don't know.

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I think that Warhammer slash Cave is probably the biggest example of those local bands.

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So anyway, this is a podcast where I know quite a bit about the Columbia local music scene.

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Not really.

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Don't know a ton.

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Don't know a ton.

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Was not involved.

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Gotcha.

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But I do know a lot about Alex Jones.

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And I only know what you're telling me about both.

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Today it does not matter, Jordan.

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Right?

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Because today we're doing something a little bit different.

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That's good news.

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I decided to go into Project Camelot Land.

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I'm loving it.

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And I decided that we got a lot of weirdos that we pay attention to,

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and some of them have become great characters for us.

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Yes.

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Guy with telescope.

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Of course.

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He's got a telescope.

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He has a telescope.

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We have Mark Richards.

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Any time a Mark Richards episode comes up, we gotta...

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Top of the list.

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Guy who wants to storm the Getty Museum.

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He's fun.

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Stephen Kelly.

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Is he ever going to?

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These are like characters that we've become friends with.

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Over our time.

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In a way.

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And it becomes a sort of thing where it's difficult to listen to any episodes that don't

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involve them.

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Right.

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Because of, you know...

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There's a letdown.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I want to hear about these other guys.

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How's his telescope doing?

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Absolutely.

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Did he get a better telescope?

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He needs a better...

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Bruce Seesall.

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That's his name.

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Bruce Seesall, that's right.

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Yeah.

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He's got a telescope.

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And he sees all.

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And there's one other guy, of course, Eddie Page, the racist Pleiadian.

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And so what I decided to do initially when I set out to make this episode was I wanted

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to check in on Eddie Page because last we heard of him, he had fallen out of Carrie

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Cassidy, the host of Project Camelot's Good Graces.

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Right.

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He's a little too racist for her.

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That certainly started it.

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And then accusations started to come out that he was passing off screenshots from video

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games as his mothership, which is a problem.

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Yep.

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That's a bit of an issue.

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But as he started to get called out, he took a turn for the dark.

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And I checked in on him and he is now going by the name Archangel Abaddon.

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That works.

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He is now the bringer of death.

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Good for him.

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That's a big step up for him.

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He has shaved his beard and he looks very sinister now.

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I listened to a bunch of his videos because I felt like, well, he's now the angel of death.

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This has got to be amazing.

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They're a big letdown.

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He is very boring.

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He threatened to open the seventh seal on New Year's 2019, so we are now living in the

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aftermath of him opening the seventh seal.

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Okay.

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Well, I'm glad he told us.

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You think that's something that you wouldn't even know about.

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He gave like seven hours warning.

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That's actually kind of proper of him.

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That's polite.

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So now he's leading a small cult based on the videos that I could tell, where he's telling

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them that when the time comes, the aliens will come and take them away.

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So are people actually in his cult?

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Okay.

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Never mind.

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Never mind.

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You're right.

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You're right.

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Why am I asking this?

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I don't know why.

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Sometimes I ask you questions as though you have some sort of omniscience.

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Let me tell you.

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There's no way for me to find out if anybody is watching this or anybody cares about what

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Eddie Page is doing now.

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Your researching skills are called into question, Dan.

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Well, I think that even the greatest researchers would have difficulty getting to the bottom

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of that mystery.

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So I went down that road and I realized that maybe it's not worth it.

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I can't make an episode out of Eddie Page's turn to Archangel Abaddon.

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It's bad presentation.

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It's bad content.

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He's not even saying like, I will destroy the world.

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It's not even that kind of fun.

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So I'm like, well, maybe it's time to let go.

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Maybe it's time to...

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Let go and let God.

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Well, sure.

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I mean, anytime Mark Richards comes up, certainly.

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We've got to cover that.

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That's pressing news.

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Of course.

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But maybe it's time to let go of some of these connections that we have with these other

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people, the guy with the telescope, Eddie Page, Steven Kelly, certainly not going to

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cover him again.

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He is way too scary and creepy.

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Their toxic presence is that sometimes you just need to get out of your life.

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Absolutely.

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No matter how much you love them, you got to let them go.

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I decided maybe it's time for us to try and find new friends in the Project Camelot world.

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And so I found one episode that was titled Deceit and Human Society.

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I thought, hello, this is something I'm interested in.

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I love Deceit and Human Society.

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I like both of those things.

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I only like one of those.

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Well, I like to study Deceit and I like Human Society.

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I just like Deceit.

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I'm not a huge fan of Human Society.

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Oh, you're going the other way with it.

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So I decided that was going to be what we're going to look into and we'll see what happens.

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But before we get to that, we got to give a shout out to some people who have signed

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up and are supporting this here show and make it possible.

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So first, Thomas, thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Thomas.

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Next, Luke.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Luke,

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thanks for joining the Luke's.

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We got a lot of Looxes these strong Luke.

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We got a strong Luke faction.

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Next, Robin, not Robin.

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R H A B A N.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Robin.

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Next, Lionel.

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Lionel.

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Lionel.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Lionel.

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Lionel.

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Lionel.

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It was only three lines.

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There's only three?

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Then finally, I'd like to give a shout-out to some people who have signed up on an elevated level, and we appreciate it very much.

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So first, we've got Kelsey. Thank you so much for joining up and supporting the show.

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Thank you, Kelsey.

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Next, someone who I believe I pronounced Taconious when I gave them an initial shout-out, but I looked closer.

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There's no spaces, but it's clearly Taco in anus.

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Oh, yeah. Taconious, I think I prefer. I prefer Taconious.

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I suspect it's Taco in the butthole.

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Next, Eric W. Thank you so much.

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And then finally, Leanne McAdoo is an anagram of Amneocondeal.

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I didn't know that.

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Yes, apparently.

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Thank you.

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So thank you all. You are now technocrats.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Crikey, mate, that's fantastic. Have yourself a brew.

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How's your 401k doing, bro?

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All right, we gotta go full tilt boogie on this, Watson, all right?

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Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin.

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Why are you pimps so good?

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My neck is freakishly large.

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I declare info war on you.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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Kelsey, Eric, Taco in anus.

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Taconious.

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Leanne McAdoo is an anagram of Amneocondeal.

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Thank you for all anagrams everywhere.

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We appreciate it.

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And thank you to all of you.

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If you'd like to support the show and what we do, you can do that.

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By going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking the button to support the show.

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We would appreciate it.

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It really would be great.

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So today's episode involves a lady by the name of Emily Windsor Craig.

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Okay.

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C-R-A-G-G.

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Anytime you got the full three names, we're talking assassination or somebody who is to

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be looked out for.

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This is going to be fairly interesting.

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And I think that I don't I don't know for sure if I want to say that we found a new

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friend, but I've certainly learned a lot as we go along.

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I've also I've learned that Carrie Cassidy is capable of what she expresses in this out

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of context drop.

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So where are you getting this information and and why do you think it kind of means

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anything?

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Ouch.

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That's that's a damning question.

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That is not the question of somebody that you trust and believe in.

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So we're going to get there.

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Oh, boy.

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So all this bullshit, where do you think it comes from and why are you telling me?

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I should also point out that this interview was, I believe, the last interview that Carrie

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posted before the 2016 election.

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OK, it's on November 3rd, 2016.

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Oh, no.

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And also this is the second time that she's interviewed Emily Windsor Craig.

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OK, so she is saying that to someone she invited back on her show.

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Yeah, which is great.

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So here is Carrie giving an introduction in the way that only she can.

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Hi, everyone.

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This is Carrie Cassidy from Project Camelot.

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Hi, Carrie.

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And tonight we have a very interesting guest.

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I've actually interviewed her in the past.

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Her name is Emily Windsor Craig and she is, well, a fascinating woman.

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And she has a great deal to share with us today about some investigations she's been

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doing into our ancient history.

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So this is about deceit and human society.

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I do agree she's pretty fascinating.

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So in terms of more of a bio, here's Carrie laying out some of the important facts of

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her guest's history.

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She had her own software startup in the early 90s called Play Technologies, Inc., which

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failed to gain funding.

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I know what that's like.

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Let's see, she was radicalized during the Clinton administration by the university's

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focus on globalism and the effects of HR practices, gaslighting by corporations.

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Right, fair.

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And she wrote a small political theory newsletter when she lived on Capitol Hill called Just

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Now.

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She was redlisted in 1998 and spent the next seven years running from gang stalkers.

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Also not a good sign.

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Gang stalkers.

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Yeah.

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She was redlisted in 88.

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She wasn't radicalized until the Clinton years.

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Oh, that's a good point.

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So we got a full four years where she's just...

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She was getting gang stalked, but not radicalized yet.

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Just on the run from gang stalkers.

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Okay, okay.

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She was too busy running to get radicalized.

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I suppose, except for maybe a couple of years into the Clinton years, which overlap with

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the running from gang stalkers.

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That's true.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Oh boy.

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So she's been doing some research and she gets here into...

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This is where Emily jumps in and she expresses what her goal is of this research that she's

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doing.

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I don't know if I like the title of this video being Deceit in Human Society because I don't

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believe that that's at all what ends up being discussed.

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Okay.

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There's some deceit for sure.

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It's just her lying about human society.

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Yeah, I guess on that end, maybe.

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It's a stretch still, I think.

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Oh boy.

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I have been kind of disturbed by the chaos between spiritual paths and ideologies and

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my masters is in conflict analysis.

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So I decided to try to synthesize a single timeline out of all the books that I showed

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you in my bibliography.

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And so that's my life goal is to explain life to myself and to make sense of where we are

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politically and spiritually and physically and just understand it all, put it all together.

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When you hear something like that, that sounds fine.

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She wants a grand unified field theory.

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Great.

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Now, the only thing is that this is a Project Camelot interview.

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Yeah, that's true.

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So you have to really ask the question when she's saying all these books that I've read,

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I want to bring them all together.

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What the fuck books are you talking about?

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Because that is a very important question.

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Of course.

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You could be talking about real books or you could be talking about the goddamn Necronomicon.

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I would actually argue that you are almost certainly talking about the goddamn Necronomicon

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if you're on Project Camelot.

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I think there's a much higher likelihood that you're talking about books that aren't real.

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They might be imaginary books.

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It is usually tough to create a grand unified field theory out of imaginary books in this

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world because they all contradict each other almost on a constant basis.

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It is tough.

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So as soon as she said that, I was like, okay, I need to know your books.

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I need to know what you're trying to bring together if I am going to sign off on your

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mission because I might just ignore this.

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Yeah, fair enough.

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Thankfully, a couple of minutes later, she does explain what book she's talking about.

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The books that I have studied in depth, believer Ashianna Dean has done the only work that

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I have been able to find.

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I know you interviewed her at least once and she's fascinating to listen to if you can

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keep hold because she talks so fast.

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But her verager series are the beginning of the story of this planet because the Bible

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doesn't go back that far.

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The Arantcha book doesn't go back that far.

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None of the other books go back as far as she does.

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And so that's where the story begins, where according to her voyagers account, and which

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makes sense to me, the first two seedings of life here on this life platform failed

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because of wars, because of the indigenous populations being peaceable and law abiding

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and intelligent and having 12 strands of DNA and yada yada.

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They were no match for the predatory races that came here to get what they wanted.

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Now, the predatory races coming to get what they wanted.

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I'm real.

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There's a bunch of stuff where I'm already like, my red flags for you're about to be

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super racist have just raised all the way to the top.

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It certainly has the feel of this being very...

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We're about to get wild.

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Maybe.

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What do you mean maybe?

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You definitely get the sense that some of this stuff could be very easily seen as code.

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Whether it's conscious or not.

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So the books that she's using here are the Arantcha book, which we covered in a past

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episode, a lot of bullshit.

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The Bible, which is open to all sorts of interpretation, and I'm not positive about her

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interpretation of it based on something we learned later.

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Doesn't even go back far enough.

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Why even add it?

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But it's still in the mix.

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Well, of course.

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And then Ashiana Dean.

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Who is Ashiana Dean?

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We've heard Carrie bring her up all the fucking time.

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And it's the same thing.

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She talks about Sean David Morton wrote some sci-fi book that she believes is actual truth.

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Right.

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It's the same thing.

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Ashiana Dean wrote these series of books called Voyager, and she believed...

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I don't know if they're actually science fiction.

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I think they are supposed to be, like, alternative history of the universe.

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Right.

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But Carrie believes that they are unveilings of truth.

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They're supposed to be...

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She thinks it's creative nonfiction, if you will.

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I don't know if she even would go that far.

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I think she'd just say straight nonfiction.

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Straight nonfiction.

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This is the facts.

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This is a straight-up history book.

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Yeah.

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And Carrie is a college teacher, or as some have called her, a cult leader whose real name is Anna Hayes.

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These books that she's written Voyager series, Carrie believes are completely true and the best source of information about the secret history of mankind.

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Of course.

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I honestly wish it was more interesting than that, but it's not.

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From everything I can tell, Ashiana Dean seems like kind of a run-of-the-mill UFO cult leader.

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Like, there's promises of a return of these people that she calls the Guardian Alliance.

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That seems to come to pass, the predictions that they're coming.

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Money gets handed over, nothing verifiable is ever said, and then nothing happens.

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The reason that these things are really dangerous, though, and need to be taken seriously,

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is that even though the vast majority of cases where someone has beliefs like this that they disseminate,

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the vast majority of them, nothing happens.

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But sometimes something does.

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You need to look no further than Heaven's Gate to see how the framework of a UFO cult can be deadly in the hands of the wrong person.

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Anyone drawn to starting their own group like this is someone I consider to be very suspect.

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And that's not even because of anything that they're saying about aliens,

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or the varying degree of quality between different races of aliens, which is a whole other conversation.

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I just think the impulse towards it is something that puts you in a category of, I'm going to keep my eye on you.

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I don't know if I like what you're up to.

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Yeah, if anybody was like, man, I really want to start my own UFO cult,

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even if I agreed with everything they were saying, I'd be like, nah, nah, nah, nah, you need to get out of here.

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Since Asiana Dean is clearly one of Carrie's main spiritual gurus,

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I really wanted to get my hands on a copy of her book so I could better understand what she preached.

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These books are out of print and they are fucking expensive.

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And I can't find any PDFs up there.

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Ultimately, I think I've read enough books in that genre, though,

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because I used to read a lot of that like Sitchin shit and all that.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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Yeah, entertainment.

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It's fun!

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Yeah, it's fun.

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It's fun enough in the genre to know more or less what it's going to be like,

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which is to say that it'll be nearly incomprehensible bullshit.

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Yeah.

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From what I've been able to tell of Dean's writings online,

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because I have read some breakdowns and some excerpts,

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there seems like there's a big emphasis on genetics in her philosophy.

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Humans, as created by the good aliens, presumably the Guardian Alliance,

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have 12 strands of DNA, whereas the Anunnaki are missing some of those strains,

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so they came to the Earth to steal our gold,

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which somehow helped them manifest in the third dimension.

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Now, in present day, the Anunnaki are trying to get involved in our gene pool

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in order to get this 12th strand of DNA and breed it out of our genes,

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which honestly kind of sounds a lot like space replacement anxiety.

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Yeah.

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Or kind of a poetic science fiction version of white genocide propaganda.

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Yeah.

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We know that Carrie believes that the Jews are Anunnaki,

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so if she gets a lot of her info from Ashianna Dean,

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I wouldn't be too surprised if she kind of believes that too.

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Uh, yeah.

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I don't know that to be the case since I haven't read enough of her material,

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but if Carrie is a huge disciple of Ashianna Dean,

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and that's one of her beliefs...

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If it doesn't have Mako Sharkrampin, I don't want to read it.

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Right.

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That's my new philosophy on all books.

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I think that's a fair philosophy.

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Anyway, Ashianna Dean's Voyager books are not a good source of history.

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No, definitely.

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I will leave it at that.

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And if that's some of the books that this Emily Windsor Craig

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is trying to bring together, I gotta say no thanks.

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Yeah, it's a little bit like Birth of a Nation.

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It seems like a fruitless endeavor, but also, I don't know.

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I don't think it's fair to make that assumption at this point.

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Later in the episode, maybe.

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Maybe.

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But I don't think that there's anything necessarily wrong

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with spending your time trying to unite space philosophies.

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No.

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I think if you're not hurting anybody, whatever.

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No, I mean...

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It's only when it becomes damaging or is clearly reinforcing something negative

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that it becomes like... that I even care to...

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Right.

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Or when it rises to the level of being really interesting.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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And so far, I'm not sure we've reached that qualification.

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Gotcha.

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But we might in this next clip.

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The reason that I can look into this is not only because of the books,

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but personally, I'm a sole incarnate of one of the Anunnaki bloodlines.

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And so I have telepathic contact with that bloodline.

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Not that everybody in that bloodline agrees together or with me,

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but I'm part of the bloodline of King Nanaar, N-A-A-N-A-A-R,

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who was the Anunnaki king who died in late 2012.

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Okay, so I have access to their stuff.

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She got access to their stuff.

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First off, R.I.P. King Nanaar.

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King of the elephants.

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Oh, God.

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King Nanaar died in 2012.

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That's pretty recent.

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Yeah, I know.

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That's exactly what I was like.

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For Anunnaki.

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Really?

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We're doing that, huh?

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A few years ago, and now we're...

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That's insane.

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That's almost like one of her sources.

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That's like one of the people who's like,

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oh, yeah, my source was this guy in the CIA.

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Too bad he died a few years ago.

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Otherwise, you could confirm with him, but he's dead.

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It's like that scene in Mumford where all of Mumford's,

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like everyone he went to grad school with,

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they're all conveniently dead.

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It's so strange that they're all dead.

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Yeah, it was a few years ago, too.

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You almost had them.

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Yeah, could have talked to this Anunnaki king.

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What was he...

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So anyway, of course she's royalty.

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She's Anunnaki royalty, which now is like,

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all right, I'm starting to get interested now.

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All right, but let me ask you this question.

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Who's the new king?

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Well, I don't know if she says.

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It seems like that has to be mentioned

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because she has a telepathic connection with the bloodlines.

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Of course she's going to stay in contact with the king.

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I'm positive that she knows.

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Okay, okay, all right.

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It might be her.

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I mean, she's in the royal bloodline.

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That's true.

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You know, she's an incarnate of the Anunnaki bloodline

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that is the king's lineage.

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She could legitimately be the queen of the Anunnaki.

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Or at least she's in the royal family.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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I am really uncomfortable now

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when anybody says bloodline about anything.

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You should be.

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I'm like, nope, evil.

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So the Anunnaki king died in 2012,

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but that's not the only recent Anunnaki news.

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You might be surprised to hear that.

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Did John Oliver do a segment on the Anunnaki recently?

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I think he missed this headline.

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Bummer.

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But there was some big news back in 2007, 2007.

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Okay.

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And Emily cracked the fucking case on this one.

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Okay, all right.

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Now, in 2007 in Iran,

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an Anunnaki royal was dug up who was in stasis.

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And I don't know if you've seen his pictures online.

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A very extremely handsome guy who has apparently been revived.

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There were two other sarcophagi that were collected when they found him.

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One had an elder gentleman who didn't make it.

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And the third one was not revealed who it was.

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And I believe, now I can't validate this or verify it,

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but I believe that that Anunnaki was Dergal.

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Oh, of course it's Dergal.

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I was thinking Paul Newman, but I was way off.

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We all should have seen that coming.

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Obviously.

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So in 2007 they dug up some Anunnaki that were in stasis.

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Right.

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And one of them was alive.

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The elder gentleman, however, didn't make it.

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Poor guy.

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RIP.

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Surprisingly, Carrie is not sold on this story.

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Okay.

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Okay, now let me slow you down one minute here.

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So you think that an Anunnaki sarcophagi guy, as you're calling him, I think,

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you think they were revived?

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I don't think that's common knowledge.

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Was that a YouTube video you saw and you believed it?

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Yes.

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I've seen several references to that YouTube video.

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A lot of references to that YouTube video.

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Not a lot of references to her telepathic connection.

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Wouldn't she already have known about it?

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Let's talk a little bit about that.

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She's connected to the wife of Dergal.

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Okay.

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Okay, cool, cool, cool, cool.

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So this is actually a really interesting story.

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To get this out of the way up top, the Anunnaki sarcophagi that Emily is talking about here

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are not real.

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That was a hoax video.

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But circumstances surrounding that hoax are actually kind of fascinating.

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In 2008 excavators working on prepping for road construction in Kurdistan accidentally

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uncovered an Iron Age graveyard with more than 20 intact graves.

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This is a really cool discovery and there were indications that there were all sorts

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of burial goods and plenty for researchers to learn from the graves.

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According to a report co-produced by Ghent University,

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quote, within a week, however, a hoax was created around this discovery that gained

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worldwide momentum through blogs and websites.

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Reports and press releases began mentioning the discovery of six corpses instead of five

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and they became a mummified king and five of his bodyguards.

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The media frenzy was supported by a 36-second video fragment that was placed on YouTube

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and various other sites.

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It is the orchestrated discovery of a bearded mummified king with a crown,

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a gem-encrusted gold box and two gems encrusted gold plates with cuneiform inscriptions.

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The forgery was so crude that no professional archaeologist could ever be fooled by it.

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But many, many others were, and unfortunately such Indiana Jones-style stories

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are still persistent and keep circulating on the web.

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We hope this preliminary report may, for once and all, put an end to the speculations

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and conspiracy stories related to this hoax.

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That paper came out in 2012 and, best as I can tell, it did not end the speculation.

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They did kill King Nannar, though.

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Oh, Nannar.

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That was what killed him.

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Oh, Nannar.

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Here's that paper.

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This sort of thing happens a lot.

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A large section of the space weirdo community, particularly those at the top of the pyramid,

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are scammers who know that nothing is ever going to prove what their arguments say are true.

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So the best they can do is piggyback any real archaeological discovery

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and try and co-opt it into their world.

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This behavior manifests in a dozen different ways.

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You see it here with this hoax mummy video attempting to co-opt this graveyard that was found in Iran.

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You see it with the insistence that there's a cover-up.

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Like when mainline archaeologists won't admit there was an Anunnaki in that tomb,

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they use that as proof that there was.

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The same sort of thinking is what's behind Kerry arguing that things like ISIS was created

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so that the New World Order can go around and destroy monuments in the Middle East,

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these monuments that prove that humanity has deep relationships with aliens.

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It's all about co-opting reality in such a way as to deceptively elevate your ideas

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and give masking to why you can't prove any of the things you say.

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It's a good grift because you don't even have to work that hard.

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Oh, it is.

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It is.

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It is.

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The archaeologists are doing the work, only the people who are trying to build a road in Kurdistan.

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Yeah, exactly.

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They're the ones who accidentally uncover this and then the real archaeologists do the hard work

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and then you fake a little video and pretend that it's related to this.

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Yeah, it's almost like your job is just sitting and waiting around for somebody else to do stuff

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and then you lie about it.

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And you make a living off of that? That's a good grift.

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You morph bullshit.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, here's Emily talking more about this video.

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Sure.

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I find the Anunnaki gentleman on YouTube in several videos and they do not show him conscious.

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They show him just lying in the sarcophagus, but somebody pinches him like - somebody pinches him

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and his flesh is very fresh and he has hair on his chest.

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And he's like, hey, quit.

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He has a beautiful red beard.

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Oh, his hands almost all get out.

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Oh, God.

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So we're in Iran.

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Right.

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And the guy has a beautiful red beard.

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He's Anunnaki.

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Uh-huh.

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Uh-huh.

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Yep.

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Okay.

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Yep.

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Right.

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Okay.

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He's Anunnaki.

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Cool.

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Love it.

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This is just like a really good encapsulation of how little proof - like people in this world

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require to believe something.

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Like this is - I've seen screenshots of this video.

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I didn't watch the video because I don't really care.

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But I saw screenshots of it and it is next level clunky.

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Hackery.

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Yeah.

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It's the sort of thing - it's like Carrie's video - or picture that she showed of Anunnaki

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leading human prisoners.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's like you look at that and you're like -

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Really?

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Get bent.

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Get out of here.

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No.

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Yeah.

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So Emily starts talking about the emerald tablet of Thoth, which is something that's

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really big in this -

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I don't even want to pronounce that.

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It's complicated.

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Okay.

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I like the added like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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This isn't the golden tablets.

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This isn't the other tablets.

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This one's emerald.

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Right.

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You know we're doing something original because the tablet's a different color.

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It's a very big piece in this space community.

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It's a big piece of a lot of the stories that go around.

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Okay.

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It's a foundational document of some sort.

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I don't -

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Sure.

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I'm not sure it exists.

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It's way better for everybody if it doesn't.

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So anyway, she starts talking about Thoth and she's saying some stuff that's a little

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bit weird.

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Okay.

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And Carrie -

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Just now?

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To the point that Carrie is even like, hold on now.

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There are - you are saying some things that are different than let's say the Zechariah

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Sitch material and some other people I've actually - I can't forget the investigator's

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name offhand that I interviewed.

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But there's another guy who does - and he's got a whole other group of people that

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he sort of identifies.

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So it does get quite confusing.

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But continue.

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It gets confusing.

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Just to clarify that for the people.

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I'm open to other resources.

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And if you want to turn me on to other resources that question what I'm doing, I love it.

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Well, you're going to love this podcast.

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Oh, boy.

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Let's turn you on to some other resources.

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Right.

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Like reality.

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It's a good resource.

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Yeah.

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So this emerald tablet also - it somehow weaves into a treaty, an emerald treaty.

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Oh, boy.

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Oh, boy.

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Jordan -

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It's a dearth of imagination these people have.

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This next clip, Jordan, is two minutes long.

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Oh, boy.

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It's one of the more confusing things I've heard.

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All right.

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Let's find out.

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This is where I really think it becomes like we go from I am in the royal bloodline of

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the Anunnaki and they dug up a living Anunnaki in Iran based on a hoax video.

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Yeah.

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That's just fun.

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Sure.

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This is where it kind of gets real for me.

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Okay.

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Where there's actually like I think she's talking about something.

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Oh, no.

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Around 500,000 B.C., the Emerald Covenant Treaty -

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NCT.

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- that our Shenadine talks about was crafted after the Lyran Wars because the Lyrans were

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very peaceable, law-abiding, trusting people.

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And when they were slammed by the Alpha Draconi who are basically predatory, they were unprepared

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to deal with it.

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They just simply have suffered annihilation.

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So the Emerald Covenant Treaty was written by the founders Elohim in order to protect

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the white races from predation.

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And that happened around 500,000 B.C.

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And after that, the now -

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Okay, now wait one second here because you're making a distinction when you say white races.

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Why is that?

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Why is that?

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Because the Alpha Draconi are reptilian races and the treaty actually specifies four white

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races that are supposed to be protected from predators.

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This has turned out to be a very bad idea because what it set up in the minds of the

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cultures in the galaxy is that white races are somehow more special than others.

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And the truth of the matter was, according to - where did I read this?

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Okay, yeah, because I am not familiar with this distinction you're making, so I'm wondering

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where this is coming from.

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I talked to Ashianna Dean.

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She's the one who wrote it then.

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Well, no, because there is the rainbow races and there are so many races that are mixed

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in here and the Emerald Covenant actually covers all the races, not just the white ones.

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And that's the problem.

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Wait.

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The reason this is really confusing is the best reading I can take of this is that she's

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trying to explain white supremacy based on a tens of thousands of year old emerald treaty.

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I believe that that's what she's doing.

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So here's what I'm getting from her admittedly brilliant explanation of what she's talking

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about.

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Sure.

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So white people were getting fucked up by reptiles.

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Right.

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And white people were like, let's make this treaty and let's put it on emerald because

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emerald lasts forever.

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Everybody knows this.

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Absolutely.

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Every kiss begins with emerald.

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Emerald.

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Nice.

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Bam.

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Even when they got overrun.

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They got slammed also.

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Slammed.

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I enjoyed that as the word.

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They got slammed.

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Like it's a lunch hour.

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Oh, white people suck!

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Oh, I was going with you're really busy at a restaurant.

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Oh, I got you.

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These reptiles just keep ordering steak.

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People steak.

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And so then because they made the treaty specifically with four races of white people.

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For white races.

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For white races.

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For separate white races.

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Apparently.

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Then the galaxy was like, well, clearly if the reptiles are making a treaty with white

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people specifically, that means white people are more special than the other non-white

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races.

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Your guess is as good as mine.

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That's what I think she's saying.

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I don't think you're far off probably in terms of like laying out what she's saying.

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But I'm more interested in what's behind it.

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Right.

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Because.

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Is she condemning the fact that the galaxy thinks white people are better or?

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Yes.

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It seems that way.

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Yes.

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It seems that she's saying that the unfortunate result of this is white supremacy.

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Yes.

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That's what I think she's saying.

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Now, I would say that this is a way of reinforcing white supremacy.

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Almost in time.

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100 percent.

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When you make it the result of space treaties, you kind of make it so you can't really deal

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with the issues.

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It's not white supremacy.

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It's not white people's fault.

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It's not white supremacy's fault.

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It's the galaxy's fault.

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Dan, you've got to let them off the hook.

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Right.

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It's kind of the same thing as just like when you take away real world cause and effect,

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real world systems as being the roots of a lot of these things.

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Because what you're doing is enabling them to continue and perpetuate because you'll

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never deal with it seriously.

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So even if she is saying that white supremacy is a negative consequence of these space treaties,

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it's still like it's as damaging as just saying like, eh, it is what it is.

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Well, I mean, if you're going to say that it's the consequence of space treaties, then

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you're saying that the way to solve white supremacy is renegotiate the emerald space

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treaty.

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You bet it is.

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I think we're going to get, I mean, why aren't we doing that right now, Dan?

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We really should.

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That could solve so many things.

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She's Anunnaki royalty.

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She should be doing it.

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She should be actually renegotiating.

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You're right.

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She's negligent.

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She could solve this problem now.

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Instead, she's just complaining to Kerry.

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So anyway, I thought that was very confusing and I'm not entirely sure what the deal is.

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But in this next clip, I think we get more troubling.

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I don't like this clip.

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In 208,000 BC, the Anunnaki did some genetic engineering on the white races to produce

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a race of white gold miners in South Africa.

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This is my temperatures.

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Oh no.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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But yeah, I just don't know why you're emphasizing white because this is not clear.

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This treaty emphasized it and it becomes the predicament that we're in now.

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So there's current day, real world consequences from this tree.

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I just feel like whenever you're talking about white people in South Africa, I always-

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You should stop.

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Unless they should redistribute 90% of the land.

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I always feel like you're on sort of touchy ground.

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And when you're saying that the Anunnaki created white people to be gold miners in South Africa,

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and if she's saying that this is part of the predicament that we're in now, does she mean

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the post-apartheid South Africa?

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She doesn't really get into specifics about what the predicament we're in now.

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You presume it would be something to do with the issues surrounding whiteness, but she's

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not offering any kind of real critique on that level.

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No.

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I don't know.

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And it seems like Kerry is less offended by the whole white thing and more like, if you're

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going to be racist on my show, you better back it up.

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Sort of.

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Because she resents the implication that it's possible that Emily understands Ashiana Dean

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better than her.

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Yeah, that's true.

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You know, it's the same thing with anybody who impugns Mark Richards.

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You get in trouble whenever you push back on or claim sort of authority over her sources.

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So I thought that was weird, certainly.

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The Emerald Treaty to protect white people created white people in South Africa.

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Miners.

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I feel like she's speaking in code.

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This next clip, this ain't code.

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There was a problem in scripture.

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If you follow Jesus' teachings, you get in a lot of hot water.

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He said, turn the other cheek and he said, be peaceable and so on.

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Well, he said you would be persecuted.

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Well, if everybody's law abiding, there's no persecution.

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So this is why the Roman Catholic Jesuit branch wrote or had written for Quran to provide

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a system of martyrdom so they could have martyrs and saints and they could validate and verify

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the teachings of Jesus, that Christians would be persecuted.

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So that's why we have.

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Okay, okay.

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That's an interesting theory.

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Is it?

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But, you know, where are you getting that the Jesuits had the Quran written?

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This is an interesting interpretation of Muhammad's life.

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That's I understand, that's known history.

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That's known history.

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Well, I certainly, that's not known history.

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I mean, known history, like that's a very vague term.

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We can't actually bander around because nothing right now is known as you know, because everything,

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our history, our lies within lies.

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Fair enough.

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Especially your history.

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I want more people to shout from the rooftops that Islam is a false flag operation.

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This is insane.

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The two things that I think are particularly notable about that clip is the first is that

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it's embarrassing to see Kerry capable of this, because that means that she could always

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do this.

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Where are you getting this from is unacceptable to hear from Kerry.

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Right, right.

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When everything's going her way and someone agrees with her, there's never any sort of

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like, let's discuss how we know these things.

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No, in fact, it's always like, this is just known history.

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Right.

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That's the other part of it.

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That behavior, she makes an extravagant claim, the Jesuits wrote the Quran in order to create

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victimhood for Christians.

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False flag narrative.

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Right.

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Well, first, there's that.

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And then second, so she makes that claim.

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And then when asked about it, it's known history.

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That is the same behavior that Alex Jones does when he says something really fucked

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up.

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And it's like, it's in the mainstream news.

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It's in the white papers.

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Yep.

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The appeal to some sort of vague authority of like, everyone knows.

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You're dumb for even questioning it.

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Right.

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It's a strategy that people who are bluffing use.

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Yeah.

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That's like saying that Abraham-

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We're not even bluffing.

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They just know that they believe things that aren't defensible.

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Yeah.

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If you're going to question me on the fact that Islam is a false flag, you might as well

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question me on that Abraham Lincoln was an alien and that's why he wore that tall hat

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to hide his fucking cone head.

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We all know that.

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Exactly.

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It's known.

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Known history.

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So when I listened to this episode, I had this feeling of like, all right, she's saying

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some stuff that's pretty weird.

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I am from Anunnaki Royalty and I was like, I don't know.

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Is this beating up on someone who just believes weird stuff?

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And then you get into this and it's like, I believe that Islam was created as a false

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flag against Christians.

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Yep.

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It's like, okay.

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All right.

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I don't care about your feelings anymore.

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You graduated.

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Yeah.

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You're in an upper echelon.

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You are quite literally expressing things that are invalidating of tons of people.

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So Carrie wants to know where she's getting these ideas from because she's making a claim

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that's like, this should end the interview, quite frankly.

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I'm surprised it goes on quite a bit longer, but she wants to know where she's getting

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it from and we find out it's YouTube.

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But also-

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Because of course it is.

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But also she gives a specific citation.

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It's on YouTube and you can Google it.

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Okay.

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But you know, you can appreciate there's going to be plenty of Muslims who are going to take

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issue with the notion that the Jesuits wrote or basically created Mohammed in some way

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or mind controlled him or something to do what he did.

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Is that your idea?

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That is the history of Islam as I understand it from Dr. Bill Warner.

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Okay.

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All right.

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This is somebody that you obviously believe, okay?

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Is that right?

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Yes.

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Yes.

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This is where the interview definitely should have ended, but I don't think that she knows

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who that is.

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Yeah.

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Let's find out.

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Bill Warner is the pen name for a guy named Bill French.

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I have no idea if this is true, but I like to have fun.

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So I assume that after 9-11 he heard that we were going with Freedom Fries and he was

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like, shit, I better get on the board with this program.

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I'm Bill Warner now.

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I was going to say, Bill French is actually a totally great name for publishing.

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Your bill, your first name is shorter French, fits, all that's great.

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So Bill French is the founder of the Center for the Study of Political Islam and he's

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been one of the main voices putting forth a narrative that Islam is largely a political

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system and not a religion.

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Gotcha.

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So many of the propaganda talking points about the spread of Sharia law trace back to him

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in his 2010 book, Sharia Law for Non-Muslims.

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The SPLC includes him in their category of anti-Muslim hardliners, which is a rare group

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to be in, along with the likes of Pamela Geller, David Horowitz and Jihad Watch founder and

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Alex Jones guest, Robert Spencer.

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And I assume all of Fox News.

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Bill has absolutely no education on the subjects of history or religious studies.

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He's a former physics professor who just had some half-cooked notions about Islam and decided

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to start spreading them.

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Because of his vague PhD designation, people take his shit a bit more seriously than they

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would if it were coming out of the mouth of some dum-dum on YouTube.

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And thus, here we are.

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Yeah, he's a naturopath as well.

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Yeah.

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Why not?

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Bill Warner is a seriously dangerous source of information and to hear Emily say that

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this is where she crafted her The Jesuits Created Islam narrative from is super fucked

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up.

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I found Emily's Bitchute channel, which is, you know, like the off-brand YouTube, where

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people go when they're kicked off YouTube.

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Did not know that, but OK.

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Yeah, Bitchute's that sort of fucked up YouTube.

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Gotcha, gotcha.

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She has a channel on there, and it's full of videos stoking fear of Muslims and immigrants.

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It's really important to recognize that however zany it is to hear someone insist that they're

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a living Anunnaki and, you know, there's a mummy that was dug up in Iran, all too often

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these sorts of beliefs and preoccupations accompany that.

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And the reason for that, I suspect, is that the world that Project Camelot exists in trains

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people to accept claims with completely nonexistent thresholds for evidence.

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Does something resonate with you?

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Then it must be true.

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It's a fine system for picking a couch.

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But it's not good in terms of philosophies, history, concrete facts, especially.

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Not good.

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Not good to use, does it resonate?

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Does it feel true?

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Yeah.

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We do seem to be in a bit of a war over whether or not objective reality exists at all with

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so many of these people.

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Yeah, and the problem is that, like, you know, even within an objective reality, there's

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still room for subjective experience and things that are subjectively true to you and not

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to me.

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Exactly.

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And that's what makes a conversation so much more difficult.

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It's whenever you become an absolutist about either you run into real trouble.

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And I do think that's a problem.

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And that's one of the things that I really want to distinguish here is, like, this woman

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is, you know, she's presenting these kind of fun things, and then also this is not fun.

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Yeah, believing...

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It's a deeply Islamophobic belief to hold.

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Yeah, believing that the entire religion of Islam was created in order to antagonize Christians

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as opposed to being its own thing is a deeply Islamophobic thing.

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And just because you have a fun way of getting there doesn't change the...

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Space treaties.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Space treaties and emerald tablets and an Islamophobic former physics professor.

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Yeah, and it's never like the Emerald Space Treaty was designed to make everybody feel

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good.

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Like, there's always a bullshit enemy at the end of it that you get to demonize.

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Crazy shit.

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So, in this next clip, we find out that Islam isn't the only religion that she has some

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issues with.

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Oh, okay.

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Turns out, Christianity, there's some problems there, too.

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Getting back to the life of Jesus and so on and so forth, Jesus was not actually hung

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on the cross.

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Oh, boy.

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There's evidence that he was not.

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It's known history.

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The Gospel of Barnabas tells that story, and that's one of the books that the Council of

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Nicaea removed.

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Right.

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Okay.

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So, fair enough.

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There are so many sources to say that, no, Jesus is not the one hung on the cross.

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It was Judas who was hung on the cross, and Jesus got away, and he lived with him to found

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the Merovingian bloodline from which King Arthur arose, okay?

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We know that that's part of the Merovingian bloodline from Jesus, who didn't die on the

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cross.

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We know that this is true.

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Important point.

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King Arthur is not real.

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Pretty sure he was real, Dan.

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Pretty sure he's related to Jesus.

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Certainly not.

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He is a figure of myth.

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Nope.

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Everybody knows that Jesus' bloodline...

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Is that...

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King Arthur was not a real person.

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Isn't that also British Israelism?

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Wouldn't that have to be considered a certain type of British Israelism if...

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You make a very interesting point.

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Oh, no, we're not doing this again.

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I don't know if we are.

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Oh, God.

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So they're speaking really nonspecifically here in that last clip.

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Yeah, and agreeing with each other.

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It's tough to know exactly what book they're talking about.

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She said the Gospel of Barnabas, but it's important that I walk you through some of

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the reasons why this might be confusing.

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So there are a number of books ascribed to Barnabas that are all not in the Bible.

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There is the Epistle of Barnabas, which is dated back to around 70-132 CE, and then there's

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the Acts of Barnabas, which contains language that solidly places it as a 5th century text.

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Neither of these were considered canonical, and it's possible that the Epistle could have

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been considered by the Council of Nicaea, but the Acts of Barnabas post-dates the Council,

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so it can't have been kicked out by the Council of Nicaea.

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The problem is that neither of these books contradict the crucifixion of Jesus.

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In fact, the Epistle of Barnabas, the one that would have been around when the Council

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of Nicaea was around, it validates and discusses Jesus' passion and martyrdom as a ritual of

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him being a scapegoat.

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However, there is another book of Barnabas, the Gospel of Barnabas, and I suspect that

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this is specifically the book that Carrie and Emily are discussing.

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The Gospel of Barnabas includes the belief that Jesus escaped crucifixion and that Judas

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was crucified in his place.

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The Gospel of Barnabas is definitely a book that is not in the Bible.

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But here's the thing.

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There's no way the Council of Nicaea could have kicked it out of the Bible.

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It was written 50 years ago.

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The Council of Nicaea took place in 325 CE, the earliest versions of the Gospel of Barnabas

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traced to the late 1500s.

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This is a very recent text, when you're talking about Biblical literature.

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The Gospel of Barnabas includes a lot of elements that contradict Christian doctrine, like that

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Jesus wasn't the Son of God, but he was just a prophet.

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Many of the areas where the text departs from Christian belief, it's in line with the Islamic

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understanding of Christianity, so many have suggested that the text was written as an

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attempt to combine the belief systems of the two religions, but that's really just a hypothesis.

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The world of extra-Biblical literature is a seriously wide canon, and when you allow

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a time span of considered books to extend to the late 1500s, you could possibly and

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probably find just about any argument you want to make with any of those books.

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Like, there's so many books you could choose from.

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With a book like the Gospel of Barnabas, it's really easy to get things mixed up.

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You want to make the argument that this book proves that Jesus wasn't crucified and that

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the Council of Nicaea covered that up, but it just doesn't make sense.

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You can make it make sense if you intentionally confuse people by combining the Gospel of

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Barnabas that makes the argument you want, but was written in the 1500s, with the Epistle

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of Barnabas, which existed in the correct time period but doesn't make the argument

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you want.

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It's either evidence of insane levels of sloppiness in research, or an intentional attempt to

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mislead people, and I don't know what it is.

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I don't know if it's just foolishness or deceit.

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Well, we are talking about deceit in human society, so I'm going to go with the former.

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I don't know.

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I could easily see it just being confirmation bias, and just believing what you want to

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believe, and willingly combining the two, or getting it from a bad source that is intentionally

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misleading you.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Any of those things are possible, but whatever you're doing, you are disseminating deceit,

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because it isn't true.

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No.

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The Gospel of Barnabas was not kicked out by the Council of Nicaea, it was written in

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the 1500s.

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Well, I mean, if you're already playing fast and loose with reality, I'm sure that you

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could be like, no, it wasn't written in the 1500s, it was rediscovered in the 1500s.

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If we've got an epistle of Barnabas, there's probably a Gospel of Barnabas.

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We have Paul wrote epistles all over the place, and he's got his own.

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There are some indications that some people believe that some pieces of the Gospel of

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Barnabas do trace back to older texts, but there's no consensus opinion about that or

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surviving examples of what it would be.

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And we don't have like an author.

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The things that do survive are the epistle and the acts of Barnabas that are from closer

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to that time period, and neither of them fulfill the other requirements that they need, which

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is Jesus escaped crucifixion and Judas was crucified in his place.

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So they're just trying to make things more interesting, I guess.

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I don't know.

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Anyway, we get to present-day politics now in this next clip.

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I don't want to do that with her.

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And guess what?

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She sounds a lot like Alex.

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God damn it.

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The people no longer had any voice in what is going on, and that's one of the things

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I keep pointing out is that the globalists were seated into both US parties so that we

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have now had five presidents who were following the globalist line and we the people couldn't

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do anything about it because our voting system has been manipulated.

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So globalists are in all parties, the globalists have taken over the right and the left.

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Yeah.

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Yup.

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This view of politics is very similar to Alex's.

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Don't even bother voting.

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It's annoying.

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It's unfair when they take a very real problem that everybody agrees is a very real problem

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and then create a unsolvable problem out of it.

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It's almost like taking white supremacy and blaming it on an emerald treaty.

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Sure seems like it, Dan.

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It sure seems like what you're really doing is justifying the status quo in whatever possible

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way you can and making it damn near impossible to change.

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And dressing it up with just sort of extravagant escapism.

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And I'm envious on some level.

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There's a part of me that's like, if there were a way for me to engage in this without

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descending into outright Islamophobia, denial of people's religious beliefs and identity

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and all that, I wish I could do it, but it doesn't seem possible.

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So, anyway, she believes that the globalists are all around us and they're dictating all

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this political brouhaha that's going on.

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She also believes that the Rothschilds are up to no good.

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Well, why not?

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Which is also similar to Alex.

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Everybody tosses the Rothschilds in there.

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Although, she may have a conspiracy about the Rothschilds that is slightly different

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than what Alex believes.

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Napoleon actually made the Rothschilds make Napoleon lose.

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This is more current Rothschild behavior than the Waterloo.

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Okay.

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But this one's a little buck wild.

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Now, I just found this week online the new constitution for the United States of North

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America, which is an Islamic state.

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Surprise, surprise.

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Where did that come from?

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Good question.

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So, reading down to the signature line, it comes from a Rothschild who patched this constitution

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together according to his best understanding.

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Now, it has not been ratified by the 50 states, so it is not in effect, but again, this is

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a globalist trick behind the people's back to control.

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So it's the globalists.

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The Rothschilds are globalists who have...

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I mean, the whole conception of this, just without some of the details, is very similar

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to Alex's beliefs.

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Oh, yeah.

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Absolutely.

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The North American Union shit, the new constitution.

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She just believes that the Rothschilds have written an actual new constitution and that

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it's an Islamic state, which isn't actually that far from Alex because, I mean, you know,

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you're saying that Obama was gonna get a third term and Larry Nichols was yelling about it

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becoming a caliphate and becoming the king of the Muslims.

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So it actually is a lot closer than it initially appears.

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Yeah.

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The way she phrases it is different, but it's very similar.

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And yet it's somehow dumber.

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It's the same level of stupid beyond all reasoning, but somehow coming from her and the way she's

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putting it in the context of emerald treaties, it's fucking stupid.

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It's because you know about the space shit.

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But I also think it's because Alex is more careful not to be as overt with what he's

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talking about.

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And because of that, he allows himself to be air of knowing something as opposed to

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her being like, I saw it on YouTube.

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Yeah.

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And you're like, oh.

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Yeah.

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Oh.

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Oh.

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Honey.

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So Kerry is not super...

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You see, you might hear that typing.

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That's Kerry typing.

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That's what I was thinking.

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As I heard that typing, I was like, Kerry is bored or Kerry is looking up that bullshit.

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She's Googling it.

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Yeah.

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She's Googling it.

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I just wanted to make that clear because people might hear that and not be like, what?

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And think you were typing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so here Kerry has Googled and I don't think she believes this constitution thing.

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But it's interesting to see how she asks her about this, this, this belief that she's feeling.

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Okay.

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Can I, can I just stop you there?

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Because what you've, you've just brought up this so-called constitution written by a Rothschild.

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So where are you getting this information and, and why do you think it kind of means

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anything?

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And do you think it'll get two thirds?

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I have given you my outline for today's interview and that link to that constitution is on that

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outline.

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I see.

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But for the purposes of the people listening, it, can you just paraphrase where you're getting

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this information?

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In other words, finding a link on the internet is all very fine and good.

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Do you, can you say why this, this sort of so-called constitution sort of means anything

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to you?

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Why did it resonate?

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It comes from the intention to set up a North American union.

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So so, but the thing is like she's asking is like, you know, finding something online

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is all good and well, but then the standard of evidence that she's asking for is why does

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it resonate with you?

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Why does, that's not good.

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That's not going to help us get anywhere.

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You're never going to find any actual information about this fucking fake constitution.

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I ask, why does this feel real to you?

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That's great in therapy.

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That's not good in a presumably journalistic show about the secret space program.

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Every time I've read a history book, I've always been like, well, this fact doesn't

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resonate with me.

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So I'm just going to assume that's not true.

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I'm worried that a lot more people do that than we think.

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I really think a lot of people do that.

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Yeah, perhaps.

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Oh God.

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So we get off this topic cause she's not really able to defend her resonance very well.

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Oh, oh she's not?

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It's not very interesting.

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Surprise.

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So apparently Emily is writing a new book and it has to do with some desired education

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reforms and it's in this clip that we learned something else about her that has been sort

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of lingering in the background for this episode.

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This isn't good.

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It's not great.

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Is she going to say slavery is okay?

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In education, I'm so glad you're asking me this, in education we have to correct the

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BS, the wrong history that our children are being taught every day.

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We have to teach them to solve problems according to causes and effects, not according to what's

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the most popular notion, okay?

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So that I'm going to propose that in secondary school that a year be devoted to the differences

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in law between maritime admiralty, common law, and administrative law, much along the

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same lines as Annabon Reaps spoke to you the other day, except I want to do it at about

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a 10th grade level, there needs to be a year talking about financing and thrift, there

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needs to be a year talking about the political process and how the precincts work, just go

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through the steps with young people so that when you see people taking a survey on a video

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and asking, well, do you know where Thailand is or what's the name of your state senator?

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The people answering the questions are not so clueless.

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I don't think that like any of the three things that she said should take a year have to do

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with where Thailand is or who your local representative is.

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That's current affairs and geography, not spending and thrift.

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And also, by the way, almost every high school district in America requires some civics.

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That's a prerequisite in almost every school district.

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Absolutely.

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So that might even be in junior high.

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And you know what?

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In all honesty, the more she's talking about the things that she would add to education,

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if they were out of her hands, they might not be a bad idea.

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Like if people spent a year talking about crazy fucking sovereign citizens and why we

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should ignore them.

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A year is too long.

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Probably.

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A year is too long for any of those things, any of those topics.

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A whole year is too much.

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Maybe a week.

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What about the fucking like other things you need to learn?

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Now here's what I want to say.

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Throw out the sovereign citizen year, because that's stupid.

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Also it is a nice like tip of the hat, like, oh, I'm a sovereign citizen also.

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Yeah, I like that she popped that in there.

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Love it.

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I did like that.

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I think that if you interpret spending and thrift to be economics, sure, kids should

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learn more about economics, balancing checkbooks.

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100%.

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It should be more required as opposed to an elective thing that people understate.

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It is kind of wild that when you're 18, you have no information on how to survive.

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Understanding some of that stuff is, and I don't know if maybe there are school districts

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that do a better job of having those classes in place.

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It certainly wasn't my experience.

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Nope.

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And then civics.

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Yeah, sure.

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I mean, we already do that in most schools, but you know, expanding that and making it

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more complete or more relevant.

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Comprehensive and I would say even like engaging.

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Those two things are great ideas.

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They're not going to help you know where Thailand is, but those two things are great for things

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that kids could be taught.

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Sovereign citizen?

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Nope.

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Now, teaching them about how to avoid sovereign citizens?

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That is helpful.

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Maybe.

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Don't be a cop.

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That's a good way to, don't be a cop or a lawyer and you'll probably never run into

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sovereign citizens.

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Judge.

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Judge.

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I would say too that like there's a real diminishing in what she's talking about, about a lot of

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the classic educational topics.

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And I know that a lot of people kind of poo poo on some of them, but like, you know, writing

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and reading is really important to be able to express your ideas.

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Yeah.

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And people also shit on math a lot and like math isn't really all that helpful, but the

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process of math is helpful.

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The reason that it's such an important piece of like universal education is because it

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trains you to go through thinking processes in the same way a lot of science education

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does.

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Like the actual thing, like I'm never going to need to balance a chemical equation in

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the future.

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Right.

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But learning how to do it opens up the process of thinking and systems and that is really

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important in terms of navigating the world.

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It is to my great disappointment that I have to say this, but learning proofs in geometry,

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like when I was in geometry, I could do all of the math in my head and then I could come

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to the right answer.

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But being forced to actually write down step by step helped me a great deal in that just

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ability to organize your thoughts and how the logic moves.

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Right.

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And I was such a dick in geometry.

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If it's only worth it for that, it's still absolutely worth it.

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And I think that there's a lot of applications for it in the real world.

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And so when she's talking about this stuff, like this amending education in order to add

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sovereign citizen belief, it's like you're only going to be able to do that by diminishing

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other high school curricula.

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Right.

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And like, well.

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But that's also a good goal of theirs is because the more you learn, the less likely you are

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to be one of them.

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To be a sovereign citizen.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So Carrie, at this point, wants to know, like, how do you talk to the Anunnaki?

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You talk good question, right?

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So she she gets into some of the details here.

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And I would say that this is a kind of part of we kind of there's no way around this.

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The interview gets a little bit sad at this point.

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And it's at this point where I kind of thought, like, maybe we shouldn't cover this episode.

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And I think that there's an argument to be made that she will say a few things that show

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a deep humanity in her.

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And I don't want to make fun of any of this.

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Right.

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But at the same time, the other stuff that she's saying is.

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Too fucked up to not cover.

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She just invalidated a billion people because she thinks that the nation of Islam is yes.

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Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Along those lines now, you believe that you're in contact to this day with a certain group

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of the Anunnaki.

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Is that right?

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King Nana.

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Occasionally.

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Yeah.

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Occasionally when something comes up.

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OK.

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What when you say that, do you mean that you're getting downloads?

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How are you communicating?

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They're mostly checking because I'm part of their bloodline.

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They're checking to see that I'm not doing anything to either dishonor them or teach

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or say what their hierarchy is and doesn't want to get put out.

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And basically what I've said here today was OK.

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OK.

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That was OK with them.

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Yeah.

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Yes.

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You've probably not heard it before.

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They check on me to see what I'm doing and I can ask them a question now and then, but

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they're not very forthcoming.

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Yahweh is a lot more forthcoming than they are.

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Yahweh?

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She talks to Yahweh.

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She talks to Yahweh?

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Yah.

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Yahweh is a lot more forthcoming?

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Yeah.

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He wasn't very forthcoming, if I recall.

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Well, that's a misunderstanding of Yahweh, apparently.

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According to her, he's just kind of interested in the nuts and bolts of like keeping volcanoes

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at bay and stuff like that.

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All right.

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I kind of like that perception of a god.

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She describes him as a techie.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And he's not into the social stuff.

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That's OK.

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Yahweh doesn't have a Facebook page.

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I get it.

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I get it, man.

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So you already get a little bit of a sense of like, yeah, they come and check on me and

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like I don't.

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It's a weird conception of how you communicate with aliens.

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They just come around and I ask them stuff and they don't say anything.

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This is weird.

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Interesting.

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But she doesn't.

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In this next clip, we learned that she doesn't see them.

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She can just hear them.

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OK.

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And I believe this next clip is where things get kind of sad.

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You were, you believe you're in contact with them and are you seeing them in person or

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are you just getting sort of mental pictures or what?

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I'm not clairvoyant at all, I'm only a clairaudient.

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All right.

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So what I can hear, I can hear their alarm system when a meteor is about to hit somewhere.

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I get tones of my ear when that happens, different kinds of tones.

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I hear music, particularly songs that are specific to certain meanings, to certain messages.

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You have a memory.

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When, for instance, last night I was awake at 3.30 in the morning and I don't know exactly

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who it was that I was communicating with in terms of my thoughts about what I was going

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to do here.

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But it was, the intention was very direct that what I said today to you was going to

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be guided.

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OK.

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And so it has been guided.

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So all this stuff has been guided by the Anunnaki, but that means that the Anunnaki don't believe

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Islam is a real religion.

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The Anunnaki believe that they had an Anunnaki dug up in a hoax in 2007 in Iran.

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Yep.

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The Anunnaki are pretty easy to trick, Dan.

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I would say that if she's getting external, like really wise information, you wouldn't

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perpetuate a hoax, a grave hoax.

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I respect, to some extent, somebody who can take tinnitus, a bad dream and sentimentality

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and turn them into an entire alien religion.

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There's a little bit of reaching for the stars there, so to speak.

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Literally.

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Yeah.

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And there's an indication of how these things that are very normal human experiences can

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be twisted by exposure to ideas like this, and they also amplify and probably allow you

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to take in information and integrate it into your worldview that you might not otherwise

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like Islam is a fake religion created by the Jesuits.

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That's why exposure to these worlds, I believe, can be dangerous, even if wacky.

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Absolutely.

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So in this next clip, we learn about her being incarnated Anunnaki.

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I was wondering about that.

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And also, we learned something at the end of this that I think could honestly be an

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episode to itself, but I'll just have to explain it to you.

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Okay.

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So are you aware of the Neanderthal bloodline that you may be part of?

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Stop saying bloodline.

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No.

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Un-Anunnaki.

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Okay.

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But you know they made human hybrids, right?

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Yeah, I'm not a human hybrid.

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You don't think you are?

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I'm an incarnate one of them.

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Alright.

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Okay.

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I'm really, I don't fit in in human society at all, and that's just how it is.

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And their way of thinking makes sense to me, and I just fit in with them better.

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Yahweh and I have a very open relationship in terms of trading meaning and thoughts back

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and forth.

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We can just talk.

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And Yahweh is still on Tinder.

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I have a terrible time trying to talk to my children.

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Okay.

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And then I was, as Ereshkigal, I was part of the royal line, the royal bloodline, and

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on Mars I was part of the royal bloodline.

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And so now I'm one of three illegitimate daughters of the Duke of Windsor.

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I'm part of the royal bloodline again.

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Okay.

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Alright.

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Alright.

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Alright.

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That's a rollercoaster.

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Alright.

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I feel really sad for her on one level because what she's expressing is so deeply human.

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You know, like, she feels alienated from people around her.

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She has a hard time connecting with her children.

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Well, I mean, literally alienated.

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Well, that's what it's become.

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The way to deal with those feelings and to cope with them is to create an entire world

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view that surrounds, like, I'm communicating with aliens.

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They understand me.

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Their line of thinking is much more in line with mine because it is mine.

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I have stamped onto these aliens some sort of, like, an external identity as opposed

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to it just being, I have thoughts.

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Yeah.

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And you can totally see how the sequence of events could unfold.

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She starts to believe things that, you know, she's on YouTube all the time.

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She's believing stuff that is wild out there.

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She's talking to her kids about it, and they're like, that's absolutely not true.

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Please stop doing that.

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And then as they stop talking to her, because she starts to believe more and more crap,

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she's more isolated, so she starts believing more and more crap as a, yeah.

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This is the story that you hear pretty regularly now or at least from time to time about people

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who get into QAnon.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And you see this spiral of isolation that happens around these worlds, and I think some

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of that is fairly intentional.

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Yeah.

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Like, the people who are promoting these ideas don't want people to have a robust, healthy

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ecosystem of friends and relations because they will check you.

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Oh, no.

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They will help you not fall into these traps, generally.

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Absolutely.

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And it's...

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Cults find vulnerable people.

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Exactly.

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And then they make sure that you're isolated from your support group.

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And it's a bummer.

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Yeah.

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It's a real bummer because on one level, I recognize that a lot of the stuff that she

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believes is probably in some way a result of her feeling these feelings and becoming

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more and more entrenched in this world that leads you down bad paths.

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Absolutely.

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I understand that and I empathize with that.

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And I don't want to mock her for it, but I do think that there's a line.

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Yeah.

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I think there's a line.

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And I also think that it's weird that she now is the heir to the throne.

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That does happen.

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That does happen.

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You know, sometimes you're not paying attention and then all of a sudden you're the illegitimate

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daughter of the Duke of Windsor.

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That happens.

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She has...

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It's not my fault.

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According to her, she has porphyria, which proves that she's from the royal bloodline.

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That makes sense.

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It's not a one-to-one, certainly, but...

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Right.

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So, Arishkigal is the line of...

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That's the wife of the Nenar...

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No, not Nenar.

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The alien that was found in Iran.

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Yes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Wait, that wasn't Nergal?

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Might have been Nergal.

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I don't remember all their names.

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Arishkigal, I believe, is the wife of the Anunnaki who was found in Iran.

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It was part of the royal bloodline.

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She is connected to her in some way and is therefore part of the royalty of the Anunnaki.

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She's somehow royalty on Mars, and now she is one of the illegitimate children of Edward

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VIII here, which makes her the heir to the British throne.

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Well, one of them.

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Well, there are three.

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Exactly.

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We don't know if she's the oldest.

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No, she's not.

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Oh, see, then there we go.

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She's not.

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She's not even...

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She's not eligible yet.

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I think that this whole thing about her...

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There's a lot of controversy surrounding her claim to the throne.

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From what circles, Dan?

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From what circles?

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This is known history.

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I should tell you.

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This is known history, Dan.

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I should tell you it's a little scandalous.

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Number 10 is trying to keep her out of the government entirely.

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She has three, or there are three.

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She's one of three of these illegitimate children of Edward VIII, and she brings up one of them

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in this next clip.

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The next half-sister lives in Virginia.

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Her name is Piggy and Childers.

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She has a YouTube account.

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She has a lot to say on YouTube.

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She doesn't like me very much, and I leave her alone.

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Okay.

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We are half-sisters.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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Well, that's what royals do is they spread the seed around, so that's what my dad did.

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That's what he thought was the important thing.

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I don't know that they do.

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They're tossing it around.

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I am not positive that that is the case anymore.

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I believe that that would be a real threat.

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It would be a lot of trouble.

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It would be a real threat, first of all, to monarchical systems.

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Secondly, it would be a huge threat to the reason why royal families intermarry is the

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protection of property.

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I really think that there would be a very serious issue with it.

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I mean, this would rock the foundations of...

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I mean, just period.

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To discover the royal family, the monarchy, the symbol of the United Kingdom is just thrown

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it around?

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And the rightful queen is somewhere here in the United States.

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Or in Virginia.

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Possibly.

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So...

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Possibly.

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Emily, now we know why she's Windsor Craig.

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Right.

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I was actually...

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That's interesting, because whenever she was introduced as Emily Windsor Craig, I was like,

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hmm, isn't it odd that she has a name of a royal in her...

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I was hoping that that would slide under the radar a year till the end.

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Or it could be Peggy Childers out in Virginia.

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So Peggy does have a YouTube account, and it's mostly full of videos about how she's

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the rightful heir to the throne.

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She's the new Queen Victoria II, I believe.

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Apparently, according to her, FDR is a Jew and part of the Illuminati, so he set out

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to destroy Peggy's father, Edward VIII, because he wouldn't play ball with the Illuminati.

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Obviously.

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Edward apparently was replaced by a bunch of clones.

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Doubles.

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A bunch of clones?

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I mean, not clones.

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Definitely doubles.

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Bodies doubles.

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And one of them married Wallace Sampson and abdicated the throne, and apparently another

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one was Emily's father.

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So Emily Windsor Craig thinks that she's the daughter of Edward VIII, but actually it was

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one of the clone doubles.

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Okay, so Peggy, though, is a legitimate daughter.

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The real Edward VIII married her mother, so she's the rightful heir to the throne of England.

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Right.

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But her mother is not...

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He didn't abdicate.

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Her last name is O'Keeffe.

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I'm not sure what...

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Her mother was Georgia.

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No.

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Different O'Keeffe.

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This is all convoluted.

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Yes, this is convoluted.

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A ton of her videos have to do with how Emily is a fraud, and about how Emily had tried

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to contact her so the two of them could work together.

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I'd really hope this would be a more fun way to approach the situation.

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We could listen to a bunch of her videos without this feud about these supposed heirs to the

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throne.

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I'm all about it.

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We're talking the Black Prince versus, yeah, I'm waiting.

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Yeah, but the more I looked into Peggy's channel, the more another picture came together.

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It wasn't a coincidence that she makes such a point out of the fact that she believes

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FDR is Jewish.

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Oh, well that doesn't surprise me at all.

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There's a ton of subtly racist shit in her YouTube channel, and tons of videos about

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how white supremacist terrorism is the result of mind control.

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So it's really weird that you have another pretender to the throne, and this Peggy Childers,

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who's just vaguely mentioned on this episode.

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You go to her YouTube channel and you find very similar shit.

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You see anti-semitism, you see defense of white supremacist terrorism, you see stuff

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like videos about Michelle Obama that include the words, Picking Cotton in the title.

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I'm like, I'm not even going to click on that.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, thanks.

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No.

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No, thanks.

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I can just leave that out of my life.

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Yeah.

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Nope.

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Fast.

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So it's insane.

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You got these, and after she brings up her claim to the throne here, Emily, Carrie wraps

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up the interview pretty quick after that.

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I don't think she's very interested in hearing this, and so they wrap it up.

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And that's what our new friend, Emily Windsor Craig has.

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To all the anti-semites, let it go, man.

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Let it go.

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To paraphrase, let those people go.

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So I want to say this, ultimately it may seem kind of weird for us to have done this episode,

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and there might be some people who think it's an exercise in making fun of someone who's

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in pain or struggling, especially with her comments about the alienation that she felt.

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I definitely empathize, and I don't want it to feel like I'm beaten up on her or anything.

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I sat with these thoughts and I considered them, and I decided that if I allow that excuse

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for Emily, I kind of have to allow it for everybody on Project Camelot.

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Literally everybody.

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She's lucid.

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She defends her positions, although very poorly.

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She has all of her mental faculties, and she's clearly not in some sort of a real struggle,

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like I've seen in a number of cases with the episodes of Project Camelot that I just won't

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do.

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While we can maybe read from context clues that she's felt a serious alienation from

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people in her life and that's led her to adopt some elements of a fantasy life that she feels

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more in line with, that doesn't make her off limits to me.

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I spent three years isolating myself.

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I didn't have, you know, I was out of my mind.

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I didn't suddenly start believing that a billion people were fucked over by the Jesuits.

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And I didn't start disseminating that information and trying to hurt people with it.

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If we made fun of the human aspects of what she's-

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Yeah, if we were like, nah, nah, you don't get to see your kids anymore, then yeah, fuck

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us.

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No, I'm awful.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I don't get to see her kids that way, but the fact that she believes and perpetuates

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this stuff, you can't just allow it because she's having a human experience.

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How many people in Turning Point USA adopted that worldview because they felt they didn't

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fit in on college campuses around the country?

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How many times have you heard the story of people falling in with dangerous groups because

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they offered them a sense of community which they felt they lacked?

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This is the story of so many cults.

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For sure.

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I believe that it's important to treat people who fall in with these ideologies with a great

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deal of empathy.

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And I still do have feelings of compassion towards Emily.

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However, I also believe that the world we see in front of us, we can't allow compassion

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to entirely blind us to the reality that a lot of the time, people who enter ideologies

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because of motivations we can empathize with often end up becoming disseminators of the

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very same ideologies, which is a behavior that cannot be empathized with.

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What tipped the scales for me was when I was looking to see if I could find Emily's books

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to maybe come to understand her positions a little bit better.

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I couldn't find any PDFs or any real reviews of her books, but I did find her blog.

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What particularly caught my eye was a March 27th, 2015 post entitled, quote, what is a

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Jew?

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In the post, she argues that the Israelites went to Ireland after the invasion of the

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southern kingdom.

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There it is.

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And that's where the lineage traces down from.

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Conversely, she argues almost all people who believe themselves to be Jews are not Jews,

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and quote, do not have the gifts that God Yahweh gave to the seed of Abraham.

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She closes the post by saying, quote, I'm sorry, but you don't know your history very

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well.

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And that's why the Anunnaki had red hair.

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Sure.

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That's why there was a red beard there.

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Perhaps.

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So she's espousing British Israelite beliefs, she's espousing Christian identity beliefs,

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she's perpetuating these things, and even if she got sucked into this stuff, I would

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never do an episode about her if she wasn't on Project Camelot.

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I don't believe that she has a huge reach necessarily on her own, and I think it would

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probably be an exercise in punching down if we did an episode like, if I found her Bitch

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You channel.

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Yeah, yeah, that wouldn't be fun.

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But Project Camelot still has a much larger audience than us.

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She's being featured as somebody who has something interesting to say about deceit in human society

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on that channel.

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She's being...

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She's being deceitful and hurting human society.

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This is not the first time she's been on.

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She's someone who Carrie had on who's like, let's have her back on.

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Jesus.

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So when a lot of these ideas that she's disseminating to a wider audience than we have are traceable

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back to the Islamophobic zealots, Christian identity beliefs, bullshit that's intentionally

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misleading about the Gospel of Barnabas, hoax videos about Iranian graves, it is still important

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that we talk about it.

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Absolutely.

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I think.

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I think it's still very relevant to our worldview, and I don't know, maybe I'm being a little

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bit defensive because I do prioritize empathy towards people and not wanting to beat up

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on people who are, you know, struggling.

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Absolutely.

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If I believe that there was a larger mental illness that was driving her, then I probably

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would feel like we shouldn't do this episode.

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But from what I've been able to tell, I think that she's just somebody who believes fucked

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up things.

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And whether or not pain in her life led her to believe those things, she is now trying

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to disseminate these beliefs.

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And she's being successful in it.

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She's on a platform larger than ours, so it's fair game to me.

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But she's absolutely fit to stand trial, so to speak.

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And I get it, like, the impulse to be empathetic overall is very good, but it has to be tempered

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by a, we can't let this shit go, you know?

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Like that kind of thing.

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So I understand your defensive position absolutely, but also, fuck her.

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What I'm trying to express is I think that the overarching empathy is a guiding principle.

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And when I try and operate through that, it requires a lot of questioning if it's appropriate

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to, you know, laugh at some of this stuff.

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And I've gone through that process, and I've decided that, yes, in this case, it is okay.

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She posted on her fucking blog before she was a guest on Carrie's show, what is a Jew?

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So I don't feel too much qualm about that, but it is important to go through that process

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all the same.

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Because if you don't, it's too easy to fall on the wrong side of it.

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And I think that there are some people who may think that we still fell on the wrong

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side of it, and I respect their opinion, but I disagree.

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I can't imagine that the end goal of empathy is inaction.

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True.

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That doesn't make any sense to me, the idea that being empathetic means allowing this

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shit to go unchecked.

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You know what I'm saying?

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We can't be ignored just because we understand where you're coming from.

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I understand where tons of people are coming from.

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You go back to a serial killer, he was abused when he was a child.

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A lot of people were abused when they were children, but they didn't grow up to murder

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a shit ton of people.

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It can't be-

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And to put another layer on that, the thing that's human, and I'm not making fun of about

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her, is her feelings of alienation from other people that led her to decide that she is

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talking to aliens, who agree with her and think more like her.

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Strange how they always agree.

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But I would not make fun of that.

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If this was just an episode where she was talking about feeling a great disconnect,

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and that she now has a bunch of aliens that she's in communication with, I wouldn't think

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that that was appropriate to talk about.

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It's where it extends into really dangerous ideas that have real world consequences, because

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I did find her Bitchu channel, and it's full of agitation towards Muslims and immigrants,

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and reinforcement of that worldview.

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So the way it manifests is a very, I mean, there's no other way to put it, in line with

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the world we talk about.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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What it is, is there is a version of what she's talking about that I would never make

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fun of.

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But unfortunately, this is a version that puts itself into what I consider fair game.

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Yeah.

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No.

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Fuck her.

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Wash my hands.

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Wash my hands of it.

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So anyway, we'll be back.

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But for now, we have a website.

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We do have a website.

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It is knowledgefight.com.

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You know how you spell knowledge?

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How?

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K-N-O-N-N-O-K-Y-F-I-T-E dot com.

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That's right.

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We're also on OnanakiBook.

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We're on Facebook and Twitter.

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We're on Twitter at knowledge underscore fight and at go to bed Jordan.

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That is correct.

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Indeed.

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Also, if you wanted to download our show, you could go to iTunes.

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You can leave a review there.

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You could also go to other podcast apps and leave a review there.

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There are many cats who carry a...

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You've heard of toxic plasmosis, I believe?

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I have.

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Toxoplasmosis.

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Toxoplasmosis.

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Well, that also comes with an episode of our show.

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So if you're feeling a little...

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So if you have a baby, put it on a litter box and you'll get our podcast.

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Don't do that.

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So as we wrap this up, I would say that Durgol.

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Durgol?

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How dare you?

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Areshkigal.

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Areshkigal has never killed anybody.

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The one guy who technically probably has is Alex Jones.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.