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Andy in Kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding

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Hello Alex, I'm a person color I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you. Hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight

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I am Dan

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Jordan we're couple dudes like to sit around drink novelty beverages and talk just a tiny

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Tiny little bit a wheat Alex Alex Jones a wheat hours on ends for two years

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Yeah, three times a week. It's not a little bit about I think that's

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Most people would describe an unhealthy amount of talking much about Alex Jones whilst we drink strange beverages novelty beverages

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I think we have an exciting

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question oh

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Yeah

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Did you find a new place yet? Maybe I don't know I'm still waiting to hear back

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But it's all signs are pointing to yes all signs were recording this on Saturday

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And those you know those apartment places are closed over the weekend

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But the final like application and everything went in on Friday

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And so I'm expecting I'll hear back on Monday and everything will be good to go

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I have a lot less stress on that front perfect

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I appreciate you asking and I'm sure the listeners are very interested to hear on your news front. We can't talk about it

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No

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Everyone there has been some interest in people like wanting to know how that story is going and supporting you in your your situation

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But we can't talk about it as the until there's some resolution so probably maybe I think that would be the wise thing

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Technically technically probably shouldn't do I think we'd be fine if we did, but it's probably smarter not to I think so

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But I have some advice for you Dan. Yes on moving into your new space. Yeah, find things

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Choose what brings you joy

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Recently been watching some Marie Kondo videos. She's the devil. Okay. She's the devil

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She made me remove a box from my room. Oh, no made me do it

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I watched the show and I started thinking about it

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And I was like now it has to go you just she's the devil. You've just taken away your own free will

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I know Asian. I think that's sad. She's a wish grace

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People who aren't witches are people who have supported the show

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We're donating and keep this going and I'd like to take a moment here before we get going to give them a shout out and a

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Thank you. So first, oh boy, you know, I'm bad with names. I do this one is it

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I'm sure I'm mispronouncing. It's probably Miriam honestly could be I'm gonna get maybe I don't know

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I apologize in advance, but I'll tell you this you're a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you. Thank you very much

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Finally I'd like to say thank you to somebody who donated on a little bit of an elevated level

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We appreciate it very much. So germane. Thank you so much. You are now a globalist

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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop daddy sharp

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Thank you so much Jermaine, thank you very much Jermaine if you were out there listening and you're thinking hey

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The show we'd appreciate it would be fantastic now today's show Jordan is not going to be incredibly fun

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But before we get to it, there's one more fun thing we shall do and that is give a very special

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Thank you to raptor princess Ian who sent us some

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Novelty beverages to enjoy on this episode. Oh boy, and it does not disappoint in terms of it being a novelty

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This is a Manhattan special

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Espresso premium a premium car premium soft. I'm you know, I like a little cream in my coffee. I like a little cream

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This is a coffee soda. I want to give it a taste. I think it's a good idea

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I had a prediction that you're not going to like it

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I don't know why I predicted that but what do you think? Oh

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That's fantastic

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That's delicious. Oh, yeah, it's very good. That is incredible. Oh my god. Oh boy. We're gonna have to cancel this fucking show

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I can't record this until after we've drunk to drink in the rest of these

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12 pack

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Good there's so much sugar in this that is very sweet. That is delicious. No doubt. Thank you so much Ian

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I'd also like to take a moment to recognize that there are a number of people who have asked

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For an address to send things to and unfortunately, I'm not at the point where I'm willing to give out our addresses

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Because yeah, I think we're in a position where it's now kind of weird

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But Ian has our address from before when he brought me a prosthetic hand, right?

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That does that does change things a little way back when you know before when we were let there were less eyes on the show

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Yeah, there were there were roughly 20 eyes on the show back. Yeah, and so everyone I really appreciate the offers of like

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pieces of art and stuff like that and

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After I move one of my things that I intend to do is figure out a way that we can set up a place like

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Yeah, something like that P. Oh box

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Yeah

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Where people can send things because I really do appreciate it and I think it's really cool impulse and I don't want to disrespect

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People's generosity or anything like that. Absolutely not Jordan today

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We are going over the the day that is March 15th

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2019. Oh good. I assume nothing important happened that day. Nothing. Well now then you can think of right

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I mean, I guess the day before

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The night before fair. This is Friday of last week and the night before our time in the United States time

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late that previous night there was some shootings in New Zealand in Christchurch and

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And 49 people are dead

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as a result of

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gentlemen, that's unfair to call him that hope a dude a terrorist I went in and

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fired on people in a couple mosques

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Engaging in their Friday prayers. I don't want to get too much into that story specifically because as

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Is the case so often with these things there are developing elements of it

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We know the basics of course certainly but in terms of you know, did he have accomplices?

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What all that all the other?

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Sorts of elements of it. I don't think as we record this here on Saturday. I don't feel like we have

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No reporting, right, right

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The full reporting has not been done and we're not going to we know and make any claims that we can we know enough to

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Talk about what's going on to an extent, but we don't know enough to pretend that we're experts

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In in what's happened. Absolutely not now Alex on the other hand. Oh, of course he

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Well, we're in an interesting situation because I know day I know for a fact that

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Rush Limbaugh has already claimed

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False flag attack, right?

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well

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There's a little bit where we're on a we're on a upward trajectory with our conservative media, right?

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Right from what I understand rush Limbaugh has suggested. It's a false flag

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I'm not sure if he has committed wholly to that line, right, but I mean it's wise not to yeah

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Yeah, I would say so

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I assume that we're in a situation where Alex is going to be far more on the careful side than a oh

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That's what you think. Oh god. No

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He might be getting sued more what a goddamn idiot well, I don't know

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I'm not sure if any of this is legally actionable, but it's pretty disgusting and I think that it's probably

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To a scale that's worse than whatever rush Limbaugh said

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Well, you'll see couldn't he have learned his lesson. Nope. Couldn't he have learned just one lesson? Nope, because it's pathological

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Here is where we start and I'm gonna tell you this Alex starts the show on what I would describe as a rocky footing

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This is not good. The show starts

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The music plays for about a minute a whole minute

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Uh-huh, and then Alex comes running into studio running into studio. I imagine he ran into something or else

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Why wouldn't he start when his normal cue comes in right? It's a full minute of just like

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Or whatever the interim was it's very jarring

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Well, it's the Ides of March the day that Julius Caesar

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Was killed 2,000 plus years ago. Okay a date that globalists like to launch new wars

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launch

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Assassinations or launch new movements or revolutions

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You remember old Charlie Manson in 1969?

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Butchering Sharon Tate and cutting her baby out of her body thing. He would launch a race war

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We're gonna blame black people for doing it

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Charlie Manson tried to launch a false flag

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Okay. Oh, okay. So I think we see a little bit of insinuation here. Oh, I mean certainly you do

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I don't think he's being very subtle in what he's describing

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No, and like I said, he's off to a fucking rocky start

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He's trying to imply that the globalists like to launch these false flags on March 15th as I guess an homage

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, or like haha. We took out Caesar. Yeah, or were they there from the beginning?

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Who knows one of the main problems is that you could do this sort of thing with pretty much any day that something happens to

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Occur on we have enough recorded history and enough really wild shit

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That's happened that you can absolutely craft some kind of conspiracy out of just about any date to test my theory

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I imagined a fake terrorist attack happening on May 23rd a random date

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I came up with using a random number generator and now I will pretend to be Alex crafting pointless

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speculation about this imagined terrorist attack on May 23rd now you see the globalist love to attack Christendom on May 23rd because it's

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A twisted mirror of how way back in

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1430 on that very day one of the great heroes of the West

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Joan of Arc was captured by the kingdom of Burgundy who put her to death because they knew that she was the only one who

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Could defeat the Muslims globalist. I mean it couldn't be any clearer

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Why do you think the Good Friday agreement was passed on May 23rd?

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1999 creating a false flag piece in Northern Ireland a false flag piece is starting to hurt my throat

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Yeah, that was a bad idea. Yeah. Yeah, you should never have committed that hard

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Everybody got it when you started with the first few it was the globalist celebrating the capture of Joan of Arc

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It's all right in front of your eyes people

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That's why in 1934 on May 23rd the real-life Bonnie and Clyde were murdered by the globalist police

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After they were framed for all those strong-arm robberies and murders that were actually done by Antifa. That sounds right

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I mean that's fine to believe you. That's a better version of what Alex does

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I know in a random date, and I think you did a great job

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I kind of think maybe 23rd is a bad day now well

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This is all good fun

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But the way I imagined this bit going is that I'd come up with a random date and pretend that there had been a terrorist

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attack on that day

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Unfortunately, I don't think that game is even possible to play on May 23rd 2014 Elliot

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Roger killed six people in a murder spree through Isla Vista, California motivated by his feelings of rejection by women

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He found attractive. He would go on to become a meme and a bit of a hero to the online worlds where radicalization happens

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I promise you I didn't cheat choosing a date and just work backwards from this

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I chose a random date to make a joke out of this and

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Inevitably you find oh, you know a

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Terrorist attack yeah, that is real

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Pretty much any date. You're gonna random. I think that's trouble mm-hmm. We should probably think about that

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It's a it's it was a grim sobering thought it was a grim exercise to think I was doing a bit

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It ended up being like oh, that's a bummer Jesus

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also important point the Manson Family murders in

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1969 happened on the night of August 8th and 9th and have literally nothing to do with the ides of March

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Alex has no idea what he's talking about and just connecting completely unrelated things together. He doesn't care about doing good job

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He doesn't care about having any information all he cares about is justifying white terrorism and depriving Muslim victims of this terrorist attack any

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Empathy or human decency he is a complete monster, and he demonstrates it within 30 seconds of starting his show

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Yeah, he got out. He got out the gate pretty strong with being a monster. Yeah real hot

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I assume he pulls up, and he really stabilizes things he suggests that we should do some

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Home restrained reporting make sure that we have all the facts are in and then he literally says we don't want to be sued

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I assume that's how he said that's how he recovers man. You really haven't been paying attention these last two years

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He says out loud. Let's not do what we did during Sandy Hook and instead. Let's not get sued

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He says that to everybody in the office. He says that to his staff. He says that on the show right no

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I assume he says we learned our lesson nope he doesn't do any of that stuff

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But you were you're pointing out that in that first clip. He's kind of insinuating

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This was a false flag and all that shit in this next clip. He says he's not saying that it is

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But okay, that's I'm not saying. This is a false flag. I'm not saying this is a staged event

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I'm saying we need to pull back and investigate every part of this because there was a famous shooting

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more than 20 years ago in New Zealand that

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Allowed them to confiscate all semi-auto and then all basically bolt-action

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For all you can have was single shot shotguns and rifles with special licenses

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So that doesn't sound right Alex is saying here that there's a stage shooting more than 20 years ago in New Zealand

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Those used to take everyone's guns and thus it's important to investigate all the angles of this current day shooting

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This is a really rough position to be taken to be honest like it's really not good

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If this is if this is where he's coming from this is a bad starting position

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Well didn't I read that there were there the gun laws in New Zealand are incredibly lax

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That's one problem that we're gonna get to so why would they why would he well my first point in?

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Saying that he's off to a bad bad start here

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Is that nothing Alex has done or does in the present day about a mass shooting or even a completely benign topic could rightly be?

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called

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Investigating all he does is obscure things and for him to pretend that he's doing anything other than blindly and embarrassingly covering up white

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Terrorism is disgusting

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Secondly they didn't outlaw a ton of guns in New Zealand as Hugh rightly pointed out back when Alex is saying they did and I sincerely

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Mean this Alex is just making shit up about gun laws

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Which we will see a demonstration of later in this episode brother

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And he doesn't even realize that he has been invalidated on air the legal actions

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He's talking about happened in 1992 when an amendment was made to the Arms Act and all it did was really it was create greater

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registration requirements for gun owners

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Among the changes were adding photographs to gun licenses

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Requiring that license holders reapply after 10 years to have a new license reissued

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Making it so only licensed gun owners can buy ammunition that sort of thing

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The amendment also created a new category of gun from a legal standpoint

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That was the military style semi-automatic, but it didn't ban them at all

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Alex is just making that up

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Gotcha. Yeah, that sounds right thirdly and most importantly. This wasn't the result of a staged shooting

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This is the response to the very real Aromawana massacre that took place on November 13th and 14th 1990

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It all started when local asshole David gray got into a bit of a fight with his neighbor

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Allegedly about the guy's dog being too loud

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Failing to make progress by arguing gray went over to the guy's house and shot him multiple times with a semi-automatic rifle

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The neighbor's two daughters were in the house along with the daughter of the neighbor's girlfriend

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Gray found one of the girls named Chiquita aged 9 and shot her in the chest

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She would survive but the other two young girls who he found later and shot died on the spot

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Gray then set the house on fire from there

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He began shooting at anybody who was around

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The girlfriend who realized that her daughter was in the house was shot at as she tried to approach the situation to help

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People who stopped their cars to try and help with what they thought was just a burning house were fired on

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He killed more kids who happened just be out on the street one of whom was out looking for his lost dog

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This all led to a standoff with and which ended with him being shot by the police the next day

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After he charged out of the house shooting at them and yelling kill me fucking kill me you bastards

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He didn't actually die immediately and was taken in an ambulance where he yelled at the police for not successfully killing him

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He would get his wish though and he died from his wounds before arriving at the hospital

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When it was all said and done Gray killed 13 people four of whom were 11 years old or younger

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One of them was a police sergeant. This wasn't a false flag. This wasn't a staged event

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This was the destruction of many many people's lives at the hands of one man with a bunch of guns

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And just because this shit's so stupid if the globalists did like somehow planned this Aromawana massacre just to grab everyone's guns

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Why the fuck didn't they do the second part of the plan?

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Why are they so competent about the part of the scam where they pull off elaborate acts of terrorism in order to steal people's guns

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But they can't fucking finish step two

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It's impressively shitty that Alex can be working to deprive people of their grief and ability to heal in the present

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While still having time to be a completely inhuman monster to people who lost their loved ones 29 years ago at the same time

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He is so bad. This is so bad this episode. He sucks. I'm laughing at your perplexed face not any of the content

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We're coming out the gate strong. I'm really I'm really frustrated with this guy today. I'll be honest with you

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I'm sick of the bullshit. I I mean, I don't know

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I warned you before we started that I know my research might end up a little bit on the I know

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Preachy Dan says that's brutal. That's fucking brutal

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I don't know how to you don't look at that stuff

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Then you don't realize what he's lying about right lying about a guy who for no reason other than he was mad at his neighbor

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Ended up killing four children and nine other people

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Over a two-day massacre. It's fucked up. It's fucked up that he's allowed to lie about this stuff

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No one thinks that was a false flag except Alex. Yeah, and whatever the motivation for the false flag didn't happen

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He's just making that part up. Yeah, sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt you. No, you didn't interrupt me at all

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I'm a bit speechless. I'm trying to I mean, I'm still trying to put together my my feelings on

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Everything that's going on right now, and I'm I'm trying to avoid the the biggest trap. I think

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the the like

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Too sensitized to it, you know, like I'm desensitized

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like I just I don't even know how to process this as a tragedy that much anymore just because it's it's become

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So commonplace and I don't know how to process rage at Alex because it's become so rote

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It's almost like he's not even yeah, he's not even performing this

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He's just reading a script from the last white terrorist attack, which was probably yesterday

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I honestly think that there are some differences and we'll discuss some of that towards the end. Um, I

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I know what you mean and it's really it's really hard to fight back against that

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complacency normalizing of horror

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That that is such a part of modern life, but you must you have to fight against it

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Absolutely, and I'm not saying that to you as a pep talk necessarily, but as a prescriptive thing like we have to

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Force ourselves to to feel these things anew when they happen

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Yeah

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Because if you don't you you minimize

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The reality of what's going on in the world and that makes things so much easier for people like Alex to play their games

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So at this point Alex Brit starts talking about the manifesto that this guy is

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Terrorist to put up online before he went and did the shooting right?

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There are some issues with this and we'll talk about some of that on the other side of this clip

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But here is how Alex decides to start covering that aspect of the story

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And you actually read the manifesto of the supposed shooter that we have posted on a full wars calm

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And news wars calm you learn when the mainstream media is pulling this down off Facebook Twitter and YouTube

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Because the guy praises communist China

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He praises

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All sorts of socialism

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Environmentalism and

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Then he demonizes poodiepie and Candace Owens by praising them

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So there's something really weird going on with this terrorists manifesto

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And it's something that Alex doesn't pick up on for almost the entirety of the show while he's talking about it

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Towards the end Harrison Smith comes in and he's trying to warn Alex that there's a lot of 4chan

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8chan type of trolling and stuff in the text of it and that he should be careful about like what things actually mean

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What are inside jokes?

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Alex has no interest in hearing any of that stuff and just keeps barreling forward with the position that he wants to take I think

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He even shut off Harrison's mic in the middle really talking about it while he was trying to explain to shut up

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Well, I don't know exactly but I think he did yeah very jarring cut of it just like it Harrison's in the middle of a

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Sentence and then it just oh boy. I'm not entirely sure but some of the manifesto appears to be straightforward argument

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It's being made

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But other parts read like winks to corners of the internet that we don't live in

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And even more of it reads like traps being set for people to report on which will then only boost the media coverage of his

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act

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Robert Evans wrote a really great piece on

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Bellingcat explaining this better than I can which I recommend that everyone go check out. It's very well done

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That said I do want to point out that this is an impressively unfair act for Alex to claim that this manifesto is pro-china and socialism

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Because it says positive things about them and then in the same breath claim that it's anti Candace Owens and PewDiePie

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Because it says positive things about them

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This is very literally double speak what Alex is doing is trying to force two conflicting thoughts into his audience's head at the same time

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and it's an abusive act if

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Positive things being said about someone in a terrorists manifesto could either mean that he's very into those things or that he's demonizing them by

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Association then the only truth that remains is that only Alex's judgment can be trusted

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Anyone attempting to cover reality would never behave like this. It's the exclusive action of a propagandist and given the circumstances

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It's an act of extreme cruelty towards his listeners

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I've read over most of the manifesto and what I come away from it

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Is that this isn't even close to up to par with what I expect out of a manifesto

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It's not like Anders Breivik's manifesto, which was definitely way too long and full of insane bullshit and plagiarized content

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But what wasn't stolen was sincere almost to a fault

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He was very clear about what he was doing why he was doing it and how others could do what he did, too

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He included excerpts from his diary about the planning stages of the attack. It was jarringly up front

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This manifesto is clearly someone who is inspired in a big way by Breivik, but is also someone who's lived on the online world

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for the past eight years since and that online manner of communicating slips in from time to time and those

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insincere trolly aspects of the manifesto make it very difficult to assess tone even in the parts that seem entirely sincere and literal

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That said if Alex wants to cherry-pick lines about eco-fascism and liking China that sword cuts both directions

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For example, the Coast Guard terrorist from last month. He had a manifesto that said quote liberalist globalist ideology is destroying traditional people

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Especially whites, which is basically the guiding principle of editorials

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Infowars editorial department if such a thing even exists the title of the current terrorists manifesto was the great

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replacement which is a reference to the white genocide narratives that run behind almost all of Alex's reporting all the times

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All the times he's interviewed white nationalist South Africans all the times he's yelled about the dangers of variable birth rates and demographic cliffs

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Alex is deeply deeply invested in the great replacement narrative. That is the title of this guy's manifesto

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Like I I'm not I'm not saying anything other than the game he's playing is an unfair game

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It goes both directions and I want to be clear about something

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I think that Alex absolutely has blood on his hands for this attack

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But I don't say that in any way because of anything I read in the manifesto

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I've already discounted most of that document as being on reliable narration at best

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Alex has blood on his hands for the constant

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Irresponsible excessive and disgusting demonization of Islam that he carries out and the way he perpetuates the idea that there is no moderate Islam

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Alex has blood on his hands for the way that he incessantly calls immigrants and Muslims invaders

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Alex has blood on his hands for normalizing and mainstreaming these white genocide narratives that serve to create an

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existential fear in his dumb listeners

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The information ecosystem that he's a part of is not okay and attacks like this are the natural fruit of that ecosystem

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Alex has blood on his hands and we focus on him because this show is about him, but he's far from the only one

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Ignore the dumb manifesto or take it cautiously with a grain of salt because ultimately it doesn't matter

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Prominent voices on the right have been doing everything in their power to insist that Muslims are

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incompatible with freedom and white people's idea of civilization for years now

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Everyone from Sam Harris to Ben Shapiro from Alex Jones to Hannity and Tucker and Bill Maher

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From every dumb fuck with a struggling YouTube channel to our goddamn president who in 2016 said quote

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I think Islam hates us. There's something there that is a tremendous hatred there

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We can't allow people coming into this country who have this hatred of the United States and of people who are not Muslim

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When you ask yourself what happened here, the answer is really simple

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It's just yet another person who took right wing narrative seriously and decided to act on it

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If you believe the words that these monsters say and think that it's only a matter of time until there's too many of them to

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Stop them from dominating white people killing Muslims is one of the predictable outcomes and there's literally no chance

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I would ever believe that the islamophobic media chorus doesn't understand that fully

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This attack was the natural endpoint of that rhetoric and it's been allowed to

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Metastasize and things are not going to get better until that is addressed very seriously

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Very frankly and very honestly very soul-searchingly

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People need to understand the parts of this that they are complicit in and take a humble

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Fearless moral inventory and I don't think that a lot of people specifically the people I just named

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I was gonna say are in any way willing to do that and therefore they will continue to be

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Part of the process that feeds this. Yeah, and that has nothing to do with the manifesto

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I don't give a shit. It has to do with the world. We live in. Yeah, so I'm sorry

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There's a little preachy. No, that's dead on I'm uh, I'm in a mood

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Hey, man, people people come to me for yelling, but today you're all about it

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I'm good. Got a lot of righteous indignation

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So Alex isn't doing good today no, I

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Started I don't think anybody's doing that good

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I started going through this episode and like I have pages of notes about like points that he's making and I'm like

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Okay here. This is stupid. This is stupid. Go fuck yourself Alex. What are you doing? And then I like three hours later

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I realized shit. I'm three minutes into this episode. Oh, that's not good

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Yeah, that's not comes out the gates so bad and he says these things that just are like this is unfair

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Like the the idea what he's trying to do with the he's pro-china

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But anti Candace Owens because he praised both of them

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Yeah, no that made me deeply abusive thing to do to people that made me want to lose my mind. Yeah

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yeah, I don't know how you can I

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It's because what he's trying to say there is he's trying to say that the intent behind the manifesto

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Was to attack right-wing figures, right?

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Because the only way that it could be a false flag is if he was also attacking right-wing figures, right?

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So in the manifesto, he actually praises all of this stuff because that's what the globalists love

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And he has to say that he's praising right-wingers as part of the plot, right?

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Otherwise, so he knows that everyone will hate him

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So if he likes these things exactly me

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Meanwhile, everybody who took any time to like really look at it and understand the context of what was going on

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Like I've read plenty of articles that came out in the fairly immediate aftermath that were like yes in the manifesto

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He talks about the being radicalized by Candace Owens, but it's clearly a joke

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Yeah, like everyone who read it knew it was a joke

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Yeah

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Except for the people who were knee-jerk trying to make something out of it, right?

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Whether it's the defensive propagandists on the right or the overzealous over eager

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Presumable people on the left who want to attack Candace Owens, right?

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like whatever it is that is exactly an instance of the thing that is in that manifesto as a trap and the

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And it played out exactly how it probably was supposed to yeah, pretty much

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So there are these sorts of things where I I don't care to engage with most of the the text lest we

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Possibly fall into a trap like that. I would rather look at the larger context and the parts of it that absolutely are sincere

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yeah, I really don't care about manifestos except as a

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Learning tool. Yeah, I think maybe you know, like I don't get I don't ascribe. I don't give a fuck about your manifesto

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I don't think it means anything to anyone

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but what it matters is that you think this is why you did it and

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Or this is what you want people to think is the reason exactly, you know in the era of manipulation

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So the real text means nothing because we know why you did it because of what you did

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Yeah, you didn't mean little I don't give a shit about the Unabomber's manifesto

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They I don't give a shit what he has to say

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The only the only thing is what do we need to do to keep people like you from happening?

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What is the environment greater understanding? Can we reach exactly not from the text but from?

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Everything. Yeah, you don't get any higher credibility than a fucking self-published Amazon author

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Just because you killed people right reading Anders Breivik's

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Manifesto in 2011 probably wouldn't have been deeply as affecting me as it was when I read it for our podcast

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Six months ago or nine months ago or whatever and the reason wasn't because of what he was saying

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It was because we now live in a world where you feel the ripples of that manifesto exactly

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You see the effect of it. You see the people who are very clearly motivated by the manifesto that came out seven eight years ago

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Right or whatever. So five years from now if I were to read that manifesto

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It would probably be very like this manifesto from present day

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It would probably be deeply affecting because I would see the the shockwave that came from it the people who were inspired

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Specifically by him in the same way that you can very clearly see that he was inspired by Anders Breivik

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So which is why giving a fuck about the manifesto is the wrong game. It's the wrong game

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Yeah

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You're only providing more space for the people who are not going to listen to you say look at how bad this is

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They're going to read it and say look at look at how great this is

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Who gives a shit about what he has to say, right? It's about what he did

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I don't think it's um, I don't think it's the right thing to entirely ignore, but I also don't think it is

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appropriate to

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Assume that it's gospel or that it means anything right? That's kind of it's a kind of it's a very difficult balancing act

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It's one of the things I don't trust the media to do period absolutely

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So it's one of those things that I would rather they just not talk about. Yeah, I would just say they're gonna

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They're gonna trip over their own dick at some point. Yeah, it's it's disgusting

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I would accept a documentarian 20 years from now combing through the mania to the manifesto and doing a whole like a

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A post mortem on life in general through this manifesto

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I don't want anybody talking about it right now because it's it's just pointless

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Yeah, and we'll hear Alex talk a little bit about it

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But not a ton because I don't think his his take is very meaningful

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But in this next clip he uses some things and out of context things that he found from

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The manifesto to make his argument about who he thinks this guy is

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I don't know all the angles of this shit, but I'll tell you this. It's very suspect it in the shooting video

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That we've reviewed. We're not posting a Tim for Wars calm. It's been expunged off the internet, but we've got a copy

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That's some blurred versions. We're gonna air here coming up for TV viewers. I'll describe them obviously

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What what the fuck are you doing? He's a weird leftist eco-fascist. In fact, let me give me his words

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Exactly, New Zealand mosque terrorists described himself as an eco-fascist

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Who hated conservatism and admired communist China Paul Joseph Watson and it's got the quotes

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From the manifesto that doesn't make him left at all

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I mean he's a fascist for one take the eco

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However, you want to take it and the reason that he admires China or presumably admires

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China is because they are homogeneous. I was good. Well because they're currently

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Well, no, not just that they're currently holding Muslims in

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Concentration camps. Mm-hmm. They are doing this concurrently with this guy

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I'm not sure if they have made I'm not sure if that inspires hundreds of thousands of people disappear, right, right

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Yeah, I'm not sure if that's a piece of his support of China or liking China

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I think it's probably more from the context clues of it. I'm talking about being an ethno nationalist

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Right that it's more just the idea that it's a country for Chinese people as opposed to being

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Open and accepting so I think that's probably what he's talking about

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Alex wants to use this as like yeah, of course the globalists love China. This guy loves China. Yeah fucking globalist liberal

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Likes eco stuff. Yeah. Whoo, you know, you know what?

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You know what some fucking people on the way far right also really like trees. It can happen. Yeah, it can happen

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That's not the exclusive domain of

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leftists know it

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They the the impulse I had the moment. He's like what I think he is is a weird leftist eco-fascist

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All that stuff where it's like you can just say what you want about somebody

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Yeah

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so it's so that means as

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That means nothing in the same way that they think it if I say he's a white nationalist terrorist

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They think it means nothing, but he does so

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But that's no but that's what I'm saying. My my my instinct there is to say, okay fine

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Let's take left and right out of it

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And let's just talk about the issue which is that this guy has so many guns, but that's the wrong instinct

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We can't take left and right out of this. This is a

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Network. Yeah, this is a concerted effort by a large group of people who are white nationalists

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I think you can't take that out. I think you can take left and right out of it

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If only because they're clunky definitions

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Yeah, you know that sort of thing because I think you get caught up in too much of the minutia

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And people are able to use crafty dodges in order to get around things

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Right the guy in the manifesto says that he hates conservatives because conservatives are just corporatists and stuff like that

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Yeah, right. So there's that which is a you know, what?

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Yeah, who cares?

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But Alex can then use that to be like he hates conservatives. Yeah, exactly. You think he's like me like yes

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He is because of other reasons. Yeah, but just because Alex you talk about hating

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Republicans all the time like what do you don't write don't stand on some sort of a box here

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it's it's a mess and and this is one of the issues that like

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It's impossible to nail anything down and who knows how much is sincere and how much is fucking with people

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So it's best not to engage too much outside of just demonstrating

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Here are the things that Alex is trying to perpetuate and here's why that's stupid. That's about all we can do, right?

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We can't nail down any larger conclusions about his words than that. I think

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one thing that

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frustrates me so much is I

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Don't understand what they would think if it were to go the other way, do you know what I mean?

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not exactly like

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Like at what point how many how many white nationalist terrorist events have we had this fucking well

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Not already this year, but a few of a bunch, right? What if we had the same cluster of I

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Don't know any different thing anything that attacks these white nationalists. Mm-hmm

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Would they eventually how many before they would start saying wait, let's start limiting guns

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Or would they just let themselves die over and over again. They would just want a war right? Yeah, I don't know

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Yeah, I mean it's an interesting thought experiment. I'm not entirely sure but what it does come down to is

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Is sort of amplification of attacks that are done by Muslims

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Like they they safeguard themselves from ever having to have that conversation because they create the worldview and the idea

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That there is like a hundred times more

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Attacks against them as opposed to the attacks that they do right and that is something that the media is

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Complicit in helping them with absolutely leads us to our next clip

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There we go. And the media is white supremacist white man white man white man

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But when it's a Muslim running over hundreds of people with a truck

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What about toddlers what about blowing up a church or shooting people up?

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But what about all this wasn't Islam even though they're yelling Allah Akbar. That's my big frustration

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Is that when radical out of control Islam?

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Destroys hundreds of churches in Egypt just a few years ago and crucifies

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Practitioners upside down in the city streets. It's cute. It's funny. CNN doesn't even report it. They call it a good revolution

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That's not true. I think that this clip is really revealing

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So we've always known that Alex thinks that Islam is all one thing

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So when an individual Muslim does something bad

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He expects the conversation to be about how Islam is evil and he's always disappointed that not enough people are having that conversation

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That's what he's describing as my big frustration there

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He never understands the people who were saying this wasn't Islam are only doing that in response to people like him saying see

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We told you all Muslims are evil

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he doesn't understand his part in that cycle and that people wouldn't have to defend the entirety of Islam if

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Propagandists and anti-islam forces weren't trying to attack with that angle. It's the Fox News

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opinion host says this then the news says some people are saying this totally and it

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We've been and then the opinion. Oh says see the new segment. Mm-hmm

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Now that isn't too surprising

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But what I find interesting here is that Alex seems to have the same difficulty with separating individual and group when it comes to white

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people the difference

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the difference is that he doesn't seem to be able to see a difference between criticism of white supremacy and

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Criticism as a whole and that's troubling it is troubling, isn't it?

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It's almost like he sees white supremacy as an assumed default position for white people. That's just never expressed

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Yeah, it almost does feel like that's a latent belief that he has that colors the way absolutely the way he relates to this stuff

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Also a recent study published in Justice Quarterly found that attacks carried out by Muslims quote receive on average

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357 percent more media coverage than those committed by other groups the study found quote out of

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136 terror attacks in the United States over a span of 10 years the authors studied

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Those attacks Muslims committed on average 12.5 percent of the attacks get received more than half of the news coverage

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White terrorists conversely received disproportionately little media attention because of this

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Disproportional coverage many people are duped into thinking that there's a far greater threat to them posed by Islamic terrorism when in reality

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This is far from the truth

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people like Alex Jones served to make that gap in perception versus reality even wider and

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Ideally, they want to make it so wide that it's impossible for that gap ever to be bridged

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Leaving you with no other answer than to take matters into your own hands

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it's really hard to look at the reporting that Alex is doing today and the

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Circumstances that the world is in and not think that he's trying to get people hurt

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It really is super irresponsible the way he's behaving when the reality is so very clear

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About a lot of the things that he's talking about. Absolutely

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well, and if you're deeply deeply fucked up your move there though is

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what he's saying is

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I don't think it's okay to

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Have a white supremacist terrorist attack

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But what about other terrorist attacks? See we're not doing anything about them

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So we shouldn't do anything about the white supremacist terror attack

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Hmm, or we should ignore the white supremacist terror attack and only focus on the ones in Egypt or whatever, right?

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he's the what about ISM there is just to a

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foster inaction towards the

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Inciting of event at the inciting event don't deal with white supremacist terrorism, right?

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Don't do it and don't even call it that don't even call it that no, no, no

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No, the media is always gonna call Oh white man white man white man. It's crazy guy. Why aren't we thinking about drugs?

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He's a crazy guy. Why aren't we what about this? But what about this crazy dude? Don't worry about it

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It's Prozac never deal with the type drug never deal with the problem at hand and if you think the problem is the problem at

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Hand, it's actually a different problem. Well, and if that is the problem, guess what?

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I'm right about everything and every further action is going to be that problem and it's never going to be white supremacist terror

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Well, the problem is actually that Isis attacks churches as Alex has already said in that last clip clear

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And he speaks about a little bit more in this next clip. They go into the church on Easter

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What was it last year and shot like a hundred people? I think 30 something died

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I mean, that's what goes on. It's just a footnote in the news

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Oh Isis attacked five or six churches on Easter in the Philippines

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So straight off the bat if your argument about why people shouldn't be upset about a shooting in a mosque

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Is that Isis attacks churches you are playing from behind your argument is terrible and here's the big reason why?

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Isis is a terrorist group and they're treated like one. Our country is literally at war with them

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So if you want to justify a white nationalist shooting up a mosque by saying what about Isis attacking these churches?

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The only real way to avoid sounding like a fucking idiot is if you admit that white nationalists constitute a legitimate

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Terrorism problem and accept that they should be treated as such. Otherwise, this is a fucking stupid conversation

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You're trying to have. Also Isis bombed a church in the Philippines in January of this year killing 20 people

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But that didn't happen on Easter

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Last Easter Isis did attack a church in Pakistan and four people were killed. These attacks are awful

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But it's dishonest to say that they were just a blip in the news. Mainstream media outlets covered both of them

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Interestingly a search of Infowars archives actually fails to turn up stories about either of those attacks

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But a simple Google search brings up stories from the New York Times about both

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So really I'm not sure what point Alex is trying to illustrate out here other than he's a fucking idiot and he's bad at

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His job. I think he was trying to define irony for everybody in real time. Hypocrite. Yeah

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The media never covers this did you cover it? Well, hold on. Hold on. Hey, whoa, whoa

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Whoa, I totally covered that the boolean search on Infowars is faulty. Ah, there you go. Whatever what the fuck ever

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I'm certain that those attacks were like mentioned in some like larger article about something else

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Sure, like in paragraph 20 or whatever, but I'm not gonna read every article now on his site

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It's not and it's not even a it's not a good-faith argument. So why even bother with it? It's all bullshit anyways

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You bet you bet this is bad stuff

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Yep, so like we were just sort of talking about making fun of the idea of a little bit ago

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The idea here is to not deal with the fact that this is white supremacist white nationalist terrorism

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That has been a problem for a while and it's rearing its head in a very shockingly awful way

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again

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And you know the the goal for Alex is not to describe it as terrorism and that sort of thing because if you do then

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It does open up that idea that we should be treating this in the same way

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We treat other terrorist organizations trying to disrupt their communications trying to infiltrate trying to figure out how they operate and figuring out

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ways to

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Neutralize exactly. Yeah, kicking them off all media social media platforms all that stuff, you know, yeah

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It's he doesn't want that conversation to start so he calls them crazy

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That's the easiest way to skirt that issue. Yeah, this was a crazy guy and then

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He says that in this next clip and then he goes down a road that I'm so fucking glad he did

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I'll say this guy was a crazy person. I'll say this guy wanted to be famous

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I'll say this guy was a coward going in and finding a group. He thought would be disarmed in a disarmed country

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But where are the Muslim groups decrying Islamic terror attacks on Christians and others?

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Fuck you, you could hear a pin drop. You could hear a pin drop bullshit

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Hey Jordan in the wake of that truck attacking nice France in 2016

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prominent Egyptian Muslim cleric

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Shaquille alum released a statement saying quote people who commit such ugly crimes are corrupt of the earth and follow in the footsteps of Satan

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And are cursed in this life and the hereafter

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After that attack the Arab League chief Ahmed Abdul gate

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Denounced the attack strongly and called it an act of quote craven terrorism the United Arab Emirates foreign minister

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Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed Al Nahyan

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Nahyan said quote this heinous terrorist crime makes it imperative for all to work decisively and without

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Hesitation to counter terrorism in all its forms and manifestations now, how about that nightclub shooting the pulse in Orlando?

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That was at a gay club. There's no way Muslims would speak out against that. They hate gays according to Alex

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Mm-hmm Nahid Awad from the Council of American Islamic Relations said quote we condemn it in the strongest possible terms

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It violates our principles as Americans and as Muslims

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I have a word for Isis and their supporters. You do not speak for us. You do not represent us. You are an aberration

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Afghan President Ashraf Ghani said quote I unequivocally condemn the horrific attack on Orlando, Florida

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Nothing can justify killing of civilians

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Bangladeshi Prime Minister Sheikh Hassan

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Hasini Hasina who is one of the female Muslims in elected office that Alex pretends don't exist said quote

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I condemn this dastardly act of terror in the strongest possible terms and

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Reiterate my government's zero tolerance policy against any form of terrorism and violent extremism

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London mayor Sadiq Khan said quote this heinous and cowardly act on LGBT people in Orlando is an attack on our freedoms and values

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We stand shoulder to shoulder with the people of Orlando. Hey, what about that that Charlie Hebdo attack?

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There's no way Muslims would condemn that right they should all be for it because it was you know about the drawing of Muhammad and

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All that they should absolutely no way Muslims condemn that attack

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The Council on American Islamic relations released a statement saying quote

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We strongly condemn this brutal and cowardly attack and reiterate our repudiation of any such assault on freedom of speech

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Even speech that mocks faiths and religious figures the proper response to such attacks on the freedoms

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We hold dear is not to vilify any faith

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But instead to marginalize extremists of all backgrounds who seek to stifle freedom and to create and widen social

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Societal divisions the Arab League League chief Nabil Al Arabi

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Said quote where he strongly condemned the terrorist attack on Charlie Hebdo's newspaper in Paris

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I could literally do this all day and part of me considered doing exactly that just going through every major terrorist attack committed

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by a Muslim and listing off condemnation after condemnation from influential Muslims and Islamic organizations around the world, but ultimately I

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Realized there wasn't much a point to it the perception exists that Muslims aren't speaking up about terrorism and no amount of proof to

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The contrary is going to change the mind to someone whose mind has been closed off by propaganda

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However, there are two important points that need to be brought up

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The first is that it's a little insulting that so many people seem to insist on making Muslims apologize for and denounce things

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They had nothing to do with that seems very abusive

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Second the more abusive aspect is that Muslims are speaking up about this stuff

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But people like Alex aren't listening Muslim leaders could denounce this violence all day long

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But if only the only place Alex gets any of his information from is the drudge report

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Good luck ever learning about the larger Muslim world. I fucking wrote that down

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Yeah at the while you well at the very top whenever he said

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Where the Muslim voices you're not listening to them

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I don't know and if you are and if you hear them what you're going to say is oh

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Well, they're just saying that because they have to something like that. There's no way to get through to your head that these people do

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Exist, so you're always going to it doesn't matter. You're always going to say where are the Muslim boys exactly because you're not listening

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It's an insane level of gaslighting to complain all day that you're being blamed for the actions of another white guy

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And that's so not fair

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Well at the same time demanding all Muslims condemn the actions of another Muslim and when they do you pretend they didn't I?

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Literally cannot imagine a less responsible way to carry oneself as a broadcaster

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Particularly on a day like this as a human well

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I mean if you're just doing it in your day-to-day life

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You're a piece of shit, but you don't have tons of people listening to you. That's the part of this that this is insane

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He's reinforcing this idea like a lot of his listeners. Probably like yeah, you know what I haven't heard any Muslims

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Speak out about this because they're not listening either exactly

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They're getting their information from Alex who's getting his information from the fucking drudge report exactly

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It's not it's not a healthy ecosystem

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It's a place where wounds fester wounds and and deceptions fester

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Yeah to a level that become untreatable you get you get into like informational gangrene base

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Yeah, I was about to say this was sepsis. Yeah. Yeah, totally

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This is a wound somewhere along the line where you guys think something terrible happened to you and that has just gotten

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Infected it is just a puss-covered wound white supremacy is the puss-covered wound of America

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It's a decent metaphor. It's disgusting. So Alex has some more things to say in this next clip and

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All over Syria all over Iraq all over Egypt all over Pakistan

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Anywhere that someone dare still have a little church or a Christian shrine from thousands of years ago and a few Christians show up

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Boldly enough in Pakistan or wherever to say we love you. Jesus. There'll be a bomb there or they'll all get machine-gunned

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And there won't be one word said in condemnation by the establishment Islamic leaders

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Because they have the house of Islam and everything outside the house of Islam is war and

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The Muslims that aren't radical will get killed if they ever speak out against radical Islam. That's how this works

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Okay, so there aren't any normal moderate Muslims. Oh there are but they'll get killed if they act like it

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Damn, you know, you know how I told you I was done playing that game where I just told you about

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Muslims who have condemned actions. It sounds like you're not done. I lied. Oh, yeah

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I am gonna do this all day. Okay regarding the treatment of Christians in Iraq in 2014

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he odd Amin Madani the Secretary General for the Organization of Islamic Cooperation released a statement saying that he denounced the quote

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Forced deportation under the threat of execution of Christians in Iraq. He called it a quote crime that cannot be tolerated

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Mahomet gourmets the head of the Religious Affairs Directorate the highest religious authority in Turkey said quote the statement made against Christians is

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Truly awful Islamic scholars need to focus on this because an inability to peacefully sustain other faiths and cultures

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Heralds the collapse of civilization

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after the 2017 bombing of churches in Egypt by Isis

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Maha Maha Al Gandhi

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The executive director of the Islamic networks group said quote as Christians around the world observe Palm Sunday last

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Earlier this month powerful bomb blasts struck packed

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struck packed Coptic Christian churches in Egypt in an assault claimed by the Islamic State the timing and brutality of the attacks were

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Particularly shocking as they violated both the sanctity of Christian houses of worship and holy and a holy day as well

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Islamic networks group and the San Francisco Interfaith Council joined Muslims people of all faiths and leaders across the world

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Not only and swiftly and vigorously can condemning these actions

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But also to reaffirm the long relationships and the commonalities between Christians Jews and Muslims

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Again, this list goes on and on and on but people like Alex aren't listening

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He's not listening because he doesn't want to listen if he did he would lose any pretense of righteousness

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That he uses to mask his indefensible bigotry. He's a scared pathetic man

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Also, if you want to get really sad about a website existing go check out Muslims condemn calm where you can find a running

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collection of things prominent Muslims have condemned

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That website shouldn't have to exist. It really shouldn't. Yeah, here's here's things white people condemn

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Uh, do you know it's not on the list white terrorism?

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Or a list of list of things that white people as a whole don't have to fucking apologize for and now it doesn't seem like

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We have Trump going on TV

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apologizing for

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You said it wasn't great I think yeah great and then he called Mexican invaders his his the

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The fucking the fucking president of the United States condemnation of white terror is not even close to the concept that

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the

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Condemnations of Islamic terror from the people that you put out those are full-throated. That's yeah, he can't even do that

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No

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He can't even do that and most of the condemnations of these attacks don't even like do the thing that Alex is pretending the

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The condemnations always do like it's hiding behind like this isn't Islam or whatever. Most of them are just like no fuck this shit

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No matter what. This is here. It is. Yeah got to go. This sort of thing is not acceptable, right?

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So look, I'm done now. I'm done with that game. Let's get on to this next clip where I don't know if I trust Alex

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His comedy comes in threes. Alex is soup. You've got one more to go

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Done with that game. Okay. Alex is super defensive in this book. I can decry this guy. I think it's terrible what he did

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But he's not a Christian

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He's not a conservative. He calls himself an eco-fascist that thinks

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There's too many people

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But you notice the media is fighting the control media to get his manifesto taken down. They say oh don't give him attention

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Well, they're giving him lots of attention. They want to project that he's a right-wing Christian

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Show you and I and all of us can be blamed. Oh, that's why that's the big takeaway

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They want you to have well take away here is they're covering up what radical Islam does and you don't ever hear

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It's very rare that you see any type of Muslim groups for individuals when there's a mass killing

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By someone screaming Allah Akbar. They say that's not me. I'm not apologizing. I didn't do that. That's not Islam. Whoops

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I'm not done with that game

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If Alex is gonna keep playing this game

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I guess I will too you remember the terror attack in Paris back in November 2015 the one that involved suicide bombers and hostages at

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The Bataclan theater that eventually had ended up in a hundred and thirty deaths

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the one the Eagles of death metal concert the Council on American Islamic Relations released a statement that said quote these savage and

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Despicable attacks on civil as civilians whether they occur in Paris Beirut or any other city or outrageous and without justification

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We condemn these horrific crimes in the strongest terms possible

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Joko Widodo the president of Indonesia said quote Indonesia condemns the violence that took place in Paris

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Sheik Ahmed al-tayyib the grand mom of al

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al-azhar University the thousand-year-old Center for Sunni Muslim scholarship said quote we condemn this odious attack

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The time has come for the whole world to unite in order to face this monster

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According to ABC News. Here's how the Muslims of the world responded to the Paris attack quote in Mumbai India

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Muslims gathered Monday to protest the violence displaying signs that read we hate Isis terrorism and we stand with Paris

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Protesters also trampled on an effigy of a member of Isis

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Even though people like Alex consistently refused to hear them the Muslims of the world were trying really hard to be heard

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From a story on MSNBC from right after that terrorist attack in Paris

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Quote on Saturday a coalition of eight leading national and local American Muslim groups held a press conference in Washington

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DC to condemn the carnage

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The Paris attack was on that Friday the next day Muslim groups held a press conference and still Alex pretends

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There isn't any moderate voices in Islam. It's just pathetic and now I probably actually I'm done with this game

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Probably I'm done with this game. Okay. I told you comedy comes in threes

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Do you know when you look into this sort of thing?

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You can find so many condemnations that are strong and meaningful and and come from a real place

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And while you look into that sort of thing

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You can also find tons of articles from people in the Muslim communities who are like

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I don't know why everybody keeps asking us to denounce things when we are and no one's listening, right?

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So that's an extra painful level for a lot of people in in these worlds in the in these

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Organizations that are about Islamic American relations and things like that

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Like the idea that like we're doing exactly what you're claiming we aren't and it's not good enough for you. It's really painful

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It's it's it's well, it's victim blaming to gross extent. The other thing is obvious

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I when you on the date you find those

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strenuous and

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strident

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Condemnations of those attacks you can also find that same day an article written by one of these guys saying where are the?

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Islamic voices same day simultaneous simultaneous they could write it 20 minutes after they read the statement and they'd still write it down

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It's exactly the same thing. We saw in the episode the day of Sandy Hook

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Yeah, you know Alex is talking about how this is a danger to his guns being taken and then at the same breath saying why?

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Are these people?

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Politicizing this event. Yeah in order to take guns or whatever. He's politicizing on the the sort of

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Defensive side whereas he thinks that everyone else is aggressing him with their politicizing

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It's just a stupid game that it gets everyone nowhere and it's the game that he knows he's playing

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Because he literally just outlined it. He's saying the globalists want to put these labels white

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Conservative Christian they want to put these labels on there

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So the larger community of white Christian conservatives has to accept blame for what happened

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I haven't heard anybody talking about him being a Christian or anything like that, right?

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That's that's something that Alex is projecting. So what he's obviously saying though is when he puts

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Islamic terrorist labels on to anybody he's obviously saying that he wants the entire group

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To be labeled and accountable for the actions of one person totally

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So he's giving up the game. He thinks that they're equivalent words terrorists

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Same thing. So he's even putting out the playbook that he uses as a as a way to

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Fucking provide cover. He's woefully transparent. It's bad. It's bad

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yeah, and any other day these sorts of things could probably like we could cover it and it wouldn't be as infuriating and frustrating but

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The you know, given the circumstances. It's just I'm sick of his shit. I know every now and again

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It's gonna be an episode where I'm just like I'm not playing around with you. You dumb asshole

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I'm I'm I hate you. You suck. What you're doing is dangerous. Let's stop. Let's stop the pretenses here. Yeah, and

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Shockingly most of those episodes are in the present day. Yeah, he's been getting worse

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but this is uh, I

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I'm reticent to call it a new low, but it's not bad. It's it's I

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Previously reached career low. Yeah, you know, it's look he scored 45 points in a game before but that's a career high

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You know what? I mean? What's the literal opposite of a triple-double? Yeah, that's what he's doing. I

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who

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Club 1000 or no, you also have to have like 10 turnovers. He's trying to like he's trying to play a full game with no stats

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Yeah

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At all turnovers. She's yeah

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so in this next clip Alex like descends into what I would describe as just like

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I think this is really gross. He somehow had full auto

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Play some of the audio coming up next segment. We blurred out people actually getting killed

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I've already watched this once I it's hard to watch it again. So viewer discretion advised, you know, you jerked off the first time you fucker

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I you fucking Oh God, I don't understand why anybody would watch that video

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I understand some people have from a forensic perspective and stuff like that

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Researchers things like that. I kind of understand it from that aspect. I'm not even close to willing thinking about it gives me PTSD

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Yeah, I would never consider even to like make our analysis more robust or whatever. I don't ever do that

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Uh-huh, that's so horrifying and the idea that Alex has a radio show and he's going to play audio of it and on his video

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Show he's gonna play a blurred out vision of it is

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Abusive that is something that is inappropriate. I

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Really can't put that strongly enough the kind of show that he does playing something like that is

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Devastatingly inappropriate and I would even say the same thing like I don't think I don't know if they have I certainly hope they haven't

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But if like CNN or MSNBC, oh, yeah blurred out. No, that'd be

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Like I would I would have fairly similar

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Criticisms of them also, they just stop and think about why he's playing it because he's a sensational eyes make people feel

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It's because he he wants to like there's no there's no positive

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There's no news value. They're actually no value

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He wants to watch it like if that really is that really has to be it

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This is some sort of torture porn for him or because it doesn't it doesn't help make any of his arguments

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Nope, just just playing actual gun violence. Yeah, what what are people even his listeners?

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What are they going to hear and see that's gonna make them think? Oh, yeah, this was a globalist

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There's no reason especially if you're blurring it out, then it's just muzzle fire. That's all he wants to see

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Yeah, he just wants to see his literal fantasy come true or maybe where he kills or maybe he on some level knows that

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That's something that will appeal to his audience quite well. That's certainly a private that could be a part. This is fetish

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This is a fetish. I'm not sure I'm ready to go that far, but it's close

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So in this next clip we find Alex using a previous narrative that he's built as a way to reinforce his

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anti-islam

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mentality and because we do the show that we do we've already talked about this narrative so you'll immediately be able to tell why this

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Is bullshit in Greece they charged a bunch of people for putting a cross back up on the island of Lesbos

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Hey, I remember this one. We love

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and

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Seriously, they did that they've kind of named an island off Mexico similar name the island of women the Eastless, Maris

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It's love Maris

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but

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They put the sign back up. So they arrested them for hate because the Muslims can't even see a cross

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So we bring in an incompatible religion that does

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Uncompatible religion live and compatibility with us that historically always attacks us and then we wonder when a screwball goes and does this it's terrible

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He has a long did he just justify it

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He has a long pause there because I think he realized I'm sounding like I support what this guy did

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Yeah, didn't he just say that? Well, it's because of Islam that this guy killed Muslims you bet

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I'm pretty sure that what he just said was that the killer was

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Justified because he did I'm nodding slowly. He didn't say it is what he's like

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People are going to say this he said quite literally

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Because Islam is not compatible with the West quote

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a heavy scare quotes maybe four or five scare quote as evidenced by this Greek cross situation

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Which as we've already discussed was a issue where they it was

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Architecturally protected land. Yeah

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That they built the cross on it had nothing to do with hate or anything like that

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It was a zoning issue Alex is using that as evidence of how incompatible Muslims are they can't even see a cross

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So because you leftists are letting these people into our countries

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What do you then? What do you expect coming? Of course? How do you not expect the white savior to come kill these?

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But I mean bingo, I mean, hold on. I mean, this is bad and it's not because he's white

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It's because Muslims are evil. Oh boy. I'm really sounding like I like this guy. That's why

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That's why there was a long pause because I think he caught himself

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I think that's also why he wants to watch the video probably because he's like see this is what we should all be doing

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Now this comes into a bigger conversation that I'm going to get to at the end of this episode. Alex is struggling with how closely

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What appears to have happened matches the worldview that he puts into the world?

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I think that's an important thing and it's clearly evidenced by the end of that last clip. That's insane

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There's a recognition that on some level he realizes I get it. I get why this guy did it

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He should have yeah, maybe he shouldn't have killed but I get it

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That's the other thing and that is a dangerous fucked-up line to walk if you get it

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That's that kind of suggests you you want to get you get it

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Mm-hmm you you that suggests you are saying to him you get it. Mm-hmm

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So Alex has talked a lot about the manifesto, but in this next clip he discusses how he hasn't really read it

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I'm saying okay go subscribe to PewDiePie or man

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I love Candace Owens, but she's so radical and her calls for violence are so more serious than I am

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It's all very sarcastic very sick. I haven't read the whole manifesto, but

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He sounds like an antifa lunatic

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So he hasn't read it and he is acknowledging that on some level he understands that some of this is jokes and trolling and stuff

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Like that, but then at the end he says he sounds like an antifa lunatic

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There's an entire page that's dedicated to Marxist communists and antifa

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He calls them anti-white scum and he threatens to murder them

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So I don't know how much this guy actually sounds like an antifa lunatic or whatever

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But it's just the way that Alex can characterize him to get some of the stink off him

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He's just gonna it doesn't matter. It's just like when we're talking about Muslims decrying ISIS. It doesn't matter

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It doesn't matter what the manifesto says totally. He's going to say what he wants it to say. It doesn't matter

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It's the same way that after paddock shot up the Las Vegas concert

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Yeah, Alex was trying to say that he's antifa and stuff like that. Whatever your enemy is that that's who did it

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That's who did it

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Yep, and you have documents and everything's declassified and you have sources in the DHS and blah blah blah blah blah

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No one gives a shit. So Alex goes to calls and he tries to take calls from specifically New Zealand and Australia and

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Doesn't go great

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He only gets a few callers from around there and yeah

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One of them that we're gonna listen to later actually debunks his idea that you can't get guns in New Zealand

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Okay, which is a big problem for Alex and maybe shouldn't have actually taken calls from people who know and it would have bad it

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Was a bad idea on his but this first caller that he goes to brings up the idea that the shooter a terrorist

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Was into climate change

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And then brings into climate change. Well, he well not as a like I liked their earlier work. No, no

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No, he doesn't think the climate change had a sophomore slump

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Okay, I'm just gonna say is this it was pretty good. He is an eco

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fascist in the you know

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That's how he describes himself

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And so like the eco is a part of it and he does mention climate change in the manifesto

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And so this caller has a dumb question

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This is interesting fact. I'd like to bring up is the fact that he described himself as an eco-fascist

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However, on the day of his attack, there was mass climate protests going on where you have all the students walking out the current here across America today, but it was yesterday for Australia, New Zealand. So I'm thinking if you're so into climate change and preserving it, why would you hijack the news coverage of us?

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That's a good question, it's not

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No

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So this is a dumb point that the caller's bringing up because I don't even really understand what he's he's saying that there was

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Climate change protests going on there were student walkouts and stuff like that happening on the same day

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So if this guy cared about the ecosystem and climate change so much

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Why did he hijack the news coverage that would have been going to these protests?

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So the guy's point is that he didn't really care that much about climate change probably but I mean duh

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Right, but the issue is that according to the range of information that this broadcast is supposed to have access to the question that this caller

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Is asking is already answered again

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I don't know how much of this guy's manifesto to read is sincere

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But Alex has already tried to use the manifesto as a source

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So it's part of what's being covered in the manifesto

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The terrorist makes totally clear that his version of environmentalism was entirely about killing minorities who have too high of birth rates

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He believes that climate change is a problem, but it's one that would automatically be solved

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If all the quote invaders as he calls them were killed because they're the ones who were reproducing too much

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Which he seems to think is the totality of the problem. I believe Alex has said that

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Whites aren't reproducing. Oh, yeah. I mean that's the whole demographic cliff argument that he makes all the fucking time

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I think he's saying that they are also reproducing too much. Yeah. Yeah, and why people aren't reproducing enough?

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Yep, if the guy is being serious here in his manifesto, it's clear that he doesn't either doesn't actually care about the issues of climate change

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Or he doesn't really know anything about the actual science behind it and what the real concerns are

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Most likely this is probably a sarcastic answer in the manifesto on his part or equally likely a belief

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He's incorporated into his worldview as a way to make it look like his hatred of Muslims wasn't based on pure visceral fear and insecurity

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It was actually rooted in some pretend moral concern for the planet. Just like some people pretend racial science

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It right and black people have lower IQs

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So either way Alex and his collar have zero idea what they're even pretending to talk about here

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This this show is just an exercise of futility. It's nonsense

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Complete nonsense. Yeah, so Alex finally gets the manifesto in his hands

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And he's looking at the cover of it and the cover has a design on it says the great replacement

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and then has a bunch of a bunch of little pictures of

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issues that are important to him and Alex reads off all of them and notice the ones that are

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Inconvenient for Alex to talk about he pretends are a joke the things that are convenient for him. He uses

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You read the cover of the great replacement towards a new society

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We march ever forwards it overall is a communist cosmology, but it's anti-imperialism with a picture of George, Washington

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Workers rights

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Protection of heritage and culture that's to suck everybody in ethnic autonomy is to get all the different groups of all law and order

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That's why you go in to shoot a bunch of innocent people

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addiction-free community

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Responsible markets that means controlled markets and environmentalism. That's the global government. See what he's doing there. This is nonsensical

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This is the end result of him trying to force those conflicting ideas into people's minds simultaneously. All that matters is his analysis

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Yeah

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He having not looked at this before looks at the cover of it in decodes it in a way that it means nothing

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It's a it's a meaningless exercise in symbology or something. It's like he's got

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It's he's it's like he's a child in the doctor's office in like a pediatric office and you've got the three-year-old there

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Who's putting squares through the the square hole and circles through the circle or and he's looking at that kid

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And he's just like alright, so this is a square and that goes through the circle hole now

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They tell you that it doesn't go through the circle hole

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But that's because they don't believe in you now this circle this will actually fit through the square hole because it's the same size

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But it doesn't have the edges. So that's why they want to keep the square hole for themselves exactly

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They don't want that circle going in there

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Even though the circle can go in there you see what they're doing square hole is great doesn't matter what the circle goes into it's

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The square we're trying to protect the culture of the square hole

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And if you talk about that moon to me, I swear to God that crescent moon. Oh boy

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So up till this point Alex is only sort of toe-dipped into the idea that this wasn't a real

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Terrorist event. Yeah, and it's not he only opened his show strongly insinuating that the globalist stage things on March 15th

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Specifically, I'm not saying anything about this incident

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I'm just saying that as a whole throughout the entirety of human history

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Every year the globalist stage a terror attack on March 15th

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I'm just saying that they stage a terror attack on March 15th every year. I'm not saying this one the time

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I'm not saying this one like Charlie Manson

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See so in this next clip

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He kind of makes it a little more overt and actually suggests that this was not a real thing

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The whole way this has been carried out is incredibly synthetic incredibly

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You know authentic it looks like a perfect third party. You know shoot-em-up game

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And I was making those points a few segments ago, even the Daily Mail

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has journalists and reporters

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Saying that this thing is a trap to set up reporters

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So they find every group and every organization they want to blame to get everybody fighting with each other, which is exactly

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What he says he wants to do

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But the manifesto itself is a trap in itself laid for journalists searching for the meaning behind the horrific crime

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The truth is they're invaluable clues the shooters radicalization, but it's buried beneath a great deal

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for lack better word

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Yes posting

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Those last three sentences, you know what he's reading

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Somebody else's analysis of the he's not reading Robert Evans post is he oh, yeah. He's for real reading

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Robert Robert Evans, holy shit his post on Bellingcat got reprinted in like the Atlantic

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There was an excerpt of it in the Daily Mail a lot of places pulled from his primary article

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Alex Jones just read it quoted Robert Evans on his show

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Robert Evans is the first person to be on both our show and info wars at that's amazing

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Yeah within a week. Yeah, Robert Evans has he's got the e-god of propaganda podcast

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I wish that there was some sort of an air horn we could fire off for that that when I heard that I was like

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Yes, that is unreal. Yeah, so I sent Robert a message and told

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Don't think he was super proud. I doubt it. I doubt he was stoked. No

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Could you be though Alex is misusing? No, no, that's no good. Whoo

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Yeah, that that charmed me if it's gonna start reading the bios for his guests from your wiki. Oh, that'd be great

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If if there's anything that brought like a little bit of a whoo, that's fun

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That was it the rest of this very not fun, but Alex accidentally quoting Robert. That's pretty fun. Pretty nice

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Um, so in this next clip we get to that caller who explains gun laws to Alex

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Yeah in New Zealand that runs completely opposite to what Alex believes

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Uh, yeah other gun laws in New Zealand. I'm a gun owner and

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It's a very strict fitting. I had to go through a two-hour interview

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To renew my gun license and the answer to all the family. They want to know what your mental health is

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And so it's very strict. So they license the person not the gun

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But a person who has a license can buy a semi-automatic gun a person with a license can buy a semi-automatic gun

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Alex's entire

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Narrative that first of all, there was that attack 20 years ago where they then got rid of all

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Guns other than single shot block blue not not true

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I mean not true historically and then also the idea that they have even outlawed semi-automatics isn't true now luckily

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Well, and that's one of the gun proposals that New Zealand is talking about right now. Is that I

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General came out and said we are going to change our gun. Oh, yeah. No, absolutely

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Yeah, but the the the thing that he just described they licensed the person not the gun

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They're like one of the things that the guy was like, holy shit

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We're gonna need to change the gun laws so that we license the gun, too

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We need to register every weapon because they that guy had two semis that weren't registered, right? I'm not sure exactly

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I don't know. I don't know enough of the details. Yeah, I don't know enough either. I may have just yeah

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I mean there is there's an entire possibility that everything he had was completely legally bought like there's

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That I think it's probably true. Yeah, I don't know. We'll know in time. We're recording this on Saturday

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So yeah, if anything has come out on Sunday or Monday before this comes out. Yeah, maybe we will look

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Naive or unaware and that's because hey guys, we're in the we're naive. Yeah, and kind of unaware

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Yeah, so Alex has one of his guests that comes on from time to time this woman named Syrian girl

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She comes on from time. Wait the woman named Syrian girl

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That's her like that was her old YouTube handle now. It was like partisan girl. I think is her name now

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Okay, she's a woman who grew up in Australia, but is from Syria

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And from everything I understand she's kind of a Bashar al-assad

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Apologist like a lot of the narratives about how the chemical weapons attacks were false flags and stuff

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Yeah, a lot of it traces back to her and some of her reporting on infowars quite frankly great. She is

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Kind of a voice of reason and in her appearance

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We're not gonna listen to too much of it because Alex just doesn't doesn't care. I don't want to praise. No, I'm not Bishara

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I saw all the side apologist. He doesn't come up but

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She's just saying like hey a lot of this stuff in the manifesto doesn't look real

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yeah, like a lot of it seems like fucking around and you should be careful about it right now it's just

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Goes right past her. There's almost no content in their interview other than that

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Sort of inability of Alex to even accept the idea that some of it might not be just a means a yeah

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Kind of little literal concrete thinking so whatever

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Yeah, it is difficult because the manifesto is written in what amounts to an entirely different language. It's a it's a rebus

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It's that that people that because we can understand the words

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We think the words mean things and they've just repaired they've redefined words, so they don't mean anything

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Yeah, so her interview is not interesting and I don't want to put you through it and it doesn't matter

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especially because Alex all right after that gets another guest who comes in who is

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Terrible. He's a guy named Matt Bracken. He's shown up a number of times. Mm-hmm

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He runs a website called enemies foreign and domestic dot-com. All right. Well, I'm not a fan of his already

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he has some history in

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The services but then also has written a bunch of shitty books

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Of course, he foresees a race war

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Naturally, that's sort of naturally a big part of his his worldview about what's coming

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We've talked about him in the past and I think we've actually gotten fairly into some of his shit

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Suffice it to say he's a crazy dude who loves guns and is I would say to a degree more extreme than Alex

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And here's what he brings to the proceedings. He's got a source. Oh god. No he and

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He says the guy sounds like a Serbian to him the Cyrillic writing on the on the weapons

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Even using old church Cyrillic. This is extreme. I noticed

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And then he could actually who knows well, let's come back to the media a crypto Islamic system. This is a false flag Wow

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Wow, good stuff

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Wow, so Bracken, please please tell me that he's an actual Islamicist, please. That's what I want to hear

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Please give me that give me that give me that please you say that so I can pretend I didn't say it

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Well after we run with it exactly

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So Matt Bracken is claiming that he has a CIA buddy who has told him this that's the source that this he's claiming

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It's coming from and that's bullshit

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most of what he ends up defending his argument with when they come back from break is that there is a passage in the

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Manifesto where the terrorist he's doing a hypothetical Q&A session with himself and he asked the question about why he cares about

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European heritage if he's Australian and the answer that he provides never specifically says that he is Australian

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He just points out that Australia is an offshoot of Europe like the penal colony and all that stuff

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Yeah, based on this Bracken theorizes that he might be Serbian

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The problem is that another in another point in the manifesto the terrorist spells things out more clearly quote

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I was born in Australia to a working-class lower-income family. My parents are of Scottish Irish and English stock

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This is shitty work on Bracken's part

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It's self contradictory his his speculation or whatever

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He's reading into the manifesto is contradicted by something that is literally in it

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He's doing a really bad job

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And if this like I don't know just the fact that there's Serbian writing on the gun doesn't mean anything

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No, he's doing a great job lying and colluding and fucking the fact that like a lot of people in the right-wing

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these terrorist communities are

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Inspired or take inspiration from the crisis in Serbia. Mm-hmm

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That doesn't mean that he's Serbian Anders Breivik was very inspired by the same thing

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Yeah, so I mean this isn't none of it like this is irresponsible like what Bracken's bringing to the table

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It's not irresponsible. It's on purpose. Of course. It's on it's being it's being very responsible about being a fucking monster

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Right, but which is irresponsible and then it allows for Alex to be further irresponsible because he's suggesting

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That maybe he's a maybe he's a crypto islamist, you know that different kind of islamist. Mm-hmm

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Fuck off. So here's Matt Bracken one upping himself with stupidity

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To be effective in an info war you use the ammunition that's on the table and the ammunition on the table is to call this

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The Facebook massacre pin this right on Mark Zuckerberg Mark Zuckerberg

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He's the guy that made the tool that instigated this that a lot that promoted it if not for Facebook livestream

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I mean, he might have done something else or nothing at all. Holy shit. He just made a great gun control argument

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He's made a great gun control argument. Well, that was awesome part of you know what the reason

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This is the Remington murder. There we go done. We can sue them now. Maybe if you didn't have that gun

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Maybe yeah taking up if we if he didn't have Facebook livestream, we'd never would have had this

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Okay, so if he didn't have that semi-automatic rifle, we'd never would have gotten this so fuck off. You're an idiot done

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done totally if you're all if you're sign your own fucking death warrant if you're willing to allow that

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Tenuous of a connection to be what you're saying cause this you are you're out

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You're yeah, guess what you a strong connection is better. You have completely ruined whatever foot you're trying to stand on

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Yeah, and to some extent I don't think it's because Alex recognizes that argument could be twisted that way

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They never do he's very against what Bracken is saying. Uh-huh. He's very much against that. Okay

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I I don't understand why I mean he hates Facebook and stuff like that, but he's taking a line. That's like

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If you do that sort of thing

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It's not Facebook's fault that this person live streamed this like if you take that and then you like Facebook

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What do they do? They make it so no one can live stream and then people can't get their messages out. They're like, yeah

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It's like all right Alex. I see what you're doing. But that's only because you're being confronted as a completely crazy Matt bracket

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No, I think it's because he's being confronted by

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The fact that he was kicked off Facebook isn't it isn't allowed to do Facebook live anymore. He knows the pain if he yeah

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He's he's literally like hey, no if you shut down Facebook live

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It's almost like if you shut down my Facebook page if you shut down Facebook live, there's no chance

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I'll be able to eventually get that market back exactly, but for now I can still dream

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So you might be asking yourself what's going on with Roger Stone?

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I wasn't but okay in the middle of this episode Alex gives us an update on Roger

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He's still dead just a footnote to about Roger Stone. I

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Like Roger, he's a nice person not enough. I've not been involved in all his politics and all of his

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machinations and the political stuff he does I

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I wanted to hire Roger as a political pundit to talk about politics and news here on air

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and he did a pretty good job until the last few months and he was just consumed obviously with what was happening to him and

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Then when he got the gag order, he won't even talk to me

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And so Roger no longer works here and he understands that we've had an amicable parting

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That happened a few weeks ago. Roger's gone. Roger's gone officially. Roger's gone. Paul's gone

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Unlike me and coupon cabin, there was an amicable parting. Yeah

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Paul is still doing stuff like he's still writing articles and things like that

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But to be fair his operation isn't launching yet

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So yeah that that could just be this interim period and especially while Alex is so

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Preoccupied with these lawsuits and shit like that. He starts complaining about how Jerome Corsi's suing him a little bit later

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Yeah, of course

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Yeah, you're gonna complain about that. I'm fine with that

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But that makes sense that tracks, right?

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So we got Matt Bracken on and that's fucked up because that guy is a nut and him in his analysis of this attack

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Is is useless it's useless

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And I thought that was as bad as it could get how could it possibly get worse?

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Well, Alex wants to make this a three-way dance. Oh, no, he brings in another guest

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Matt I want to bring up Stuart Rhodes and get oh god

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No, what a man that's practiced constitutional law and somebody who's been warning about false flags

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I just think somebody who's also a white man

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all over the world

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The fact that he's saying he wants to cause a civil war

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That's what Charlie Manson wanted in Helter Skelter trying to frame black people for killing Sharon Tate, but he got caught

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Stuart Rhodes, what's your first approximation on this?

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Watch the video

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I want to watch the entire thing. I think this guy was a

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No, I guess you could say a true believer

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White nationalist apparently. Yeah, but yeah, he wanted to spark a race war. That's what he wanted

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So but expected, you know, whether he was, you know

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Some kind of a make a ultra manipulated person or not

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the outcome is going to be the same is this is going to be used to attempt to

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Disarm us even further disarm the West and also to censor us and crush free speech

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So, I mean on one level I got a tip my hat to him actually being like this guy is a legit white nationalist

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Because you don't expect to hear that

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Well, you don't expect to hear that from someone like Stuart Rhodes who is a white nationalist

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Well, I think that's why it does not surprise me that he later used the term us

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when he said

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There you because he didn't then change the pronoun. I think you do to like him and Alex. I think that's what he meant

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Hey the way the sentence is constructed

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He's kind of saying that this guy is a true believer white supremacist and regardless of whether or not he was mind controlled

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It's going to be used to demonize us. Yeah white supremacist. I mean that is parentheses

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White supremacist of us. I mean that is one reading of it and I'll allow you to have that reading I

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would give it the the

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biggest grace period possible or whatever the biggest

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Benefit of the doubt and assume he was talking about Alex and him if only because that doesn't even then that's still white

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That's still white supremacist

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Yeah, but but you know

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that is all he seems to care about is this idea of like it's going to lead to our guns being gone and

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Lead to us being censored and like yeah, I see a lot of condemnation from the white nationalist societies here

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Like did the did the KKK release a statement condemning white white supremacist violence?

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I don't believe so did did the Oath Keepers release a statement condemning white nationalist terrorism?

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I mean, maybe some people have I mean did the NRA even releases they maybe they did. I don't know

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I don't care. That's not the point

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I understand but for us to say that they didn't would be committing the same fallacy as Alex saying that Muslims didn't just because we

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Didn't hear their condemnation of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Oh, no, I mean him specifically. I was just

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That face. Yeah, exactly. Not really. That was my that was I was talking about him

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Not like Alex's condemned it in that like sort of evasive way with like he's crazy

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Well, he also said of course this was going to happen because of Muslims so he didn't really well that brings us to our next

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I think he's even in his condemnation of white nationalist terrorism. It's really a condemnation of

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Islamic terrorism, right?

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Well, or not even that it's an insinuation that all things are because of Islamic terrorism, right?

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And you know like you were saying in that in that clip earlier. He sort of caught himself

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sort of agreeing with what the

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Motivated this yeah this terrorist act and Stuart Rhodes falls into the same trap that no one set for him in this next clip

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When the Muslims go crazy and kill us, it's never don't blame Islam

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But when when when a guy who's worried about or concerned about mass immigration of Muslims into Europe

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Goes crazy kills people, but they're gonna blame all the rest of us on the same concern. Can you hear that?

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It's gonna be used

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This is why we have to just fight back and say you know what that doesn't erase the fact that this is a problem

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So this is what drove this guy over the edge and then excuses for him

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But what I'm saying it kind of sounds like it's a real serious problem

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But he saw it and because he's what I don't agree with what he did, but he saw he saw something

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It's very real. Wait, what back away from that? We can't back away from hold on. I don't agree with the way this guy did it

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But he was right. Yeah, he saw a very real problem

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Yeah, we can't bet we can't back away from that. Yeah, I mean that says that's as close to a like

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Non condemnation the opposite of condemnation now as you're going to find like no one it no one like Stuart Rhodes or Alex Jones is

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Gonna be like hooray. This guy did it but that's the equivalent. That's really close to her

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That's the equivalent in polite society. Yeah, you can't endorse this without like running a very serious risk of like well

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What you do is you are

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Encouraging terrorism you are you have crossed the line of what is appropriate

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That's like you can still hide doing stuff like this, right?

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But this is an endorsement and he had a meeting with the HR of white

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Supremacists and they were like hold on you need to give a speech to the all the white supremacists and you have to say

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Listen, we all agree with this guy, but we don't like what he did

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We think what he should have done is just been really really racist and made sure that all of our policies were racist as fuck

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What are you fucking doing ideas?

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fears

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concerns all

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Totally cool and yeah, yeah

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Method bad bad. No, that doesn't work. No, it absolutely doesn't work because the fears the method

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Are all interconnected. It's absolutely connected

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I'm going to lay out my thoughts about this at the end of the episode

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but you cannot believe the things that this guy believed and that Alex Jones believes and

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Not see where it leads. Oh, you can't do that

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It is impossible to escape the natural end result of this rhetoric and we'll get to that his his

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The only way to read what he said is he was talking to the victims at the mosque and said well

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What did you think this was was gonna happen? You moved here, right? You built that mosque there

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What did you think was gonna happen? Right? That's what he said. What was your mosque wearing? Yeah, that's sort of exactly

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So Alex realizes maybe shits getting a little too hot and so he's got to tell a very not true story

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This is up there with the Nazi hat on Halloween. Okay, this is up there with the globalist in a hot tub

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Uh-huh. It is up there in the pantheon of are we ever gonna write that movie globalist in a hot tub?

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No globalist in a hot tub time machine. Yes

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This is up there in the pantheon of not true Alex stories that he tells that are crazy

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No, I was I was in a hotel in in in East Loma here is off the coast of Mexico and they were having a gay wedding

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It and I was watching in the interactions for the two days. That was this one hotel

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I was watching all these gay guys trying to kiss the ass of a bunch of Muslims wearing, you know

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Hijabs and everything. This is Muslims everywhere now. So is Muslim women. They're wearing a jib for jobs

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And the Muslims would just

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Disgustingly go like don't talk to me and the men the women like it and the gay guys would just kiss their ass more

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Don't you get they throw you off buildings you dumb bastard, but they hate their leftists hate America so much

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They think Oh Muslims. You're my friend Stuart Rhodes. We'll talk to you soon. God bless

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Please join us this weekend. We're gonna have some special reports there

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What a great way to end an interview of Stuart Rhodes

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So a long not true story about watching a gay wedding in Mexico and seeing Muslims be bad

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So the wrong response to Muslims is saying be my friend. I

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Guess that I mean this story didn't happen, but it didn't happen. But no that is kind of the less what's behind

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It is don't try. Yeah, don't be nice to Muslims. They hate you

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They all hate you should never talk to them Muslims at a resort in

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Mexico they hate you might as well be at a pool supply shop in Austin

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That's where they hate me the most you they hate you never talk to them no matter what they treat them as your enemy

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They are all do you know what you do to your enemy damn? Well, I

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Mean depends on who you ask. Yeah, if you're Alex if you're asking Alex though

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You commit an info war against them that leads to people on the ground taking your rhetoric seriously and killing people

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Yep, that's what you do. Even in his even his fucking shitty story. He's justifying murdering Muslims

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Yeah to some say or not caring if they do. Yeah. Yeah, you know that sort of absolutely that's cuz they hate you

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Yep, in some ways. This is a you deserve what you get

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This entire show so far has been him trying to say no, but this whole show has been him in

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Reinforcing the things that are behind what is terrorizing Muslims around the world

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Yep

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Like no matter what you take even the event the terrorist attack out of it

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If you just looked at this show and the rhetoric that he's putting forth it is what leads people to attack Muslims

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Yep, there is no way around that nothing. So we've already heard Alex kind of

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Accidentally start talking about how he agrees with what the terrorists did. Yeah, we've already heard

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Stuart Rhodes there do exactly the same thing and now it's Matt Bracken's turn to basically agree with the terrorist

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I've been reading the manifesto and you know, there's there's a lot of what?

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The shooter says that is on point and some of it is about the decadence of the West

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Things that we've been discussing the you know, the 11 year old drag queen and this is a society

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That's in its in its failing stage. You're on his side asshole. He just

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Ah all three of you motherfuckers are

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Justifying all you're doing is equivocating and making okay

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what was done to these 49 people and

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countless others who survived and the

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Victims family members and their loved ones the entire community that is traumatized because of this that is all they're doing

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They're getting on air in equivocating

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Blaming their perceived enemies and then at the same time in the same breath saying like I mean he makes a lot of great points

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This isn't someone at a cocktail party years later telling you about how the Unabomber had good points. Yeah, this is the day after

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This is the day after while the situation is still broiling while the situation is still an intense crisis

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It's a life-or-death situation for tons of people. He he

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said in

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Parentheses, I mean who hasn't thought about doing this before if you look I read his manifesto. He's made a lot of great points

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I'm just saying I've thought about doing what he did

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If he makes a lot of great points, I mean it's hard it's hard not to hear some of that in here

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So in this next clip Alex makes a fucking bold pronouncement that thankfully he can't follow through with

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We'll be right back with Matt Bracken final statement of your phone calls, then I'll read the entire manifesto on air

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Thanks the great work of one of our producers Scott. Stay with us Scott. He's gonna read the entire manifesto on air

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Of course not it's 70 fucking pages. Oh my god. Oh my god. I almost had a fucking heart attack. No

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Right Alex can't read more than a paragraph. Oh

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But I do I would like to think that he tried I let he try no

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He just read the like selected little blurbs that his intern pull out

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But like I do love the hubris of that

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It's that idea of like I'm gonna read this whole fucking thing. Come at me, bro. Yeah

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I hear that and I laugh at him

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You're Icarus flying too close to the Sun with your bold pronouncements of reading. It's ridiculous

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Yeah, I would love to get into the subject

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I would love to get into the subject material

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But first we just got to deal with you not being able to read an entire page. No, you can't do it

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You're hooked on whiskey not phonics literally impossible for him to read an entire page from start to finish

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Yeah, so he doesn't get into this instead. He starts talking about how these mass shooters aren't brave enough. I

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Just wonder why these mass shooters curse them to hell of the Islamic or

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Leftist or right-wing or whatever. We'll just stop targeting mosque and churches and unarmed

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People here a real man

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I'm not saying do this, but go find some soldiers go find some

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Warriors, that's what warriors are supposed to do is they go find the other groups warriors

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That's why I'm a giant critic of Islam is it loves to attack women and children

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Before

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Before we get into any of not good, but before we get into any of that stuff

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I need to point out how fucking awful it is for him to be saying that stuff over policy of truth

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I know by Depeche mode. I know cuz you know what the lyrics were that he was talking over

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Yes, never again is what you swore the time before

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Yeah, like that sort of thing is under like that awesome song just like underneath his

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horribly

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Disgusting like desire for actual war I guess

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And then this condemnation that Muslims attack women and children Jordan

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Here's a short list of white terrorists in the United States who have targeted women and children, which is not surprising at all because they're terrorists

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Timothy McVeigh intentionally chose a federal building with a daycare center in it because he believed he was getting revenge for Ruby Ridge where Randy

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Weaver's son was killed by the police

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He wasn't a Muslim

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Dylan roof killed six women in his church shooting two of them who are older than 70 years old

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He wasn't a Muslim Robert Gregory Bowers the terrorist who killed 11 people at the tree of life synagogue killed three women

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None younger than 75 one of them was 97 years old. He wasn't a Muslim

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David Patrick Kelly the

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Devon Patrick Kelly the terrorist behind the Sutherland Springs mass shooting back in 2017 killed 10 women and eight children and one unborn child

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He wasn't a Muslim Elliott Roger of the 2014 Isla Vista shooting spree targeted women

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He felt rejected him and dudes he felt didn't deserve the women who had chosen to them over him

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He killed two women, but definitely he was trying to kill way more. He wasn't a Muslim

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This list could go on and on just like my Muslim

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Condemnations of terrorism, but I think you get the point Alex is

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like making definitions of Islam by a definition of terrorism and

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Refusing to accept that it is not a one-to-one parallel. He is demonizing an entire community

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By making statements like this. This is the dangerous rhetoric that exists in the world

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That is unfounded not based on anything and only leads to othering and putting people's lives at risk

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Let's let's not even bother with that. Let's just talk about him. Oh

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How many times does he target how many times does he target women and children good point? He's

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Him specifically the government that he loves so much run by Trump

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How many times does that target women and children specifically? Hold on. What do you do you think Christianity is?

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anti-abortion

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Do you think they're anti-abortion because they care so much about women and children love them

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Is it is it be do you think they're so against Planned Parenthood because they really want women and children to have fucking great lives

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Dan let's talk about him. I don't even give a shit about terrorists, right?

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Let's not even start talking about people who kill people and let's just start talking about how Christianity really loves women and children

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Alex supports the

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camps for immigrants and

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Children locked up. Let's put women and children in fucking concentration camps Dan

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I think that's a great fucking idea because Christians

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And Alex makes a target out of that child

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That's awesome. Oh, he makes a target out of David David Hogg. Oh, he makes a target

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And now he is working his way up to making a target of I mean the entire community of Christ Church to some extent

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in New Zealand and

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Like I don't think I don't think if you were a Muslim and you were to listen to this sort of thing

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I don't know how you would feel safe

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like with this sort of rhetoric being put forth by someone who has a large audience and

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And knowing that whatever is being said on this radio show pales in comparison to what's being said off air

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Oh, yeah, and absolutely in secretive places of the internet 100% I don't understand how you could not feel

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Completely threatened by this if you were like, I don't know a 12 year old Muslim who just wants to live their life

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And all that stuff. I don't know

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I don't I don't know how you couldn't feel like you were a target

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what's

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What's bullshit and is obvious and inevitable is that with these things it used to be?

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You would have to go to 4chan to find people

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essentially praising this guy

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For doing what he did the day after I just go Fox News exactly. It used to take a while

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The GOP and Fox News and Alex Jones all used to have to grandstand for a good week or two about how yes

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We do decry this and then a week later

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They could go back to bashing Muslims because everybody kind of forgot now they do it the next day now

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They don't now they don't even wait until the end of the event to say that it's Muslims fault

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Yeah, I mean society has taken a really gross shortcut in many ways. Yeah

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And it's because which is which I it doesn't change anything because they still believed it then too

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They still said it the same day then to some extent

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They just didn't say it on TV and now they say it publicly. They've realized they can they have no fear

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Yeah, no consequence. There's no consequence

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This is what I keep coming back to is there needs to be a consequence there needs to be

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Some sort of holding people accountable for what they put into the world that leads to this, right?

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So in this next clip Alex gets it to more demonizing of Islam. Would you believe that really believe it?

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I really can't he has more to say it is a testament to how awful this man is that I am not more surprised

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This gross

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Napoleon and Carlos the jackal and so many others converted to Islam because for a thug male, it's the best system

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Sure, you get them you you right off the bat you get to oppress women. What are you?

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Marry who you buy the wife that the girl has nothing to say about who she marries and if she gets out of line

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Or doesn't do what you like her to do. You can hit her. I got bad news about America like Judy years ago

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I he is way way wrong. If you're a thug male the best thing to be is white

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Are you shitting me?

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If you are a thug male get rid of all this idea of Islam go straight to Christianity in America

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And you will get away with fucking

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Everything. Yeah, it's kind of a messy you can you can fucking lobby for people who have killed millions and get

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47 months and a judge tell you oh my god

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You can not be a thug male white you can lobby and be associated with Jeffrey Epstein

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Literally and still not have any consequences. You can literally be Jeffrey Epstein and have very limited

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consequences for your horrific actions

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So, I mean this is all just bullshit. This is fucking insane, right? But it's I hate him. It's the game

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They want to play it's the Stephen Eisen. They want to fucking play

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So in this next clip Alex pretty much says that this attack in Christ Church was a false flag

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And then you're gonna love what happens right after that

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I've been saying

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the perfect thing with this Islamic invasion going on would be attacks on mosque and I've said they're coming

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Probably a thousand times last year

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And that would probably be staged whether it was some fellow traveler with the globalist or a leftist doing a false flag to blame us

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a false flag just simply means that it's not who

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Who you're told did it didn't really do it or your gasps around Christian, but he's really a leftist

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Sure, I'm just saying who gains from this the larger global plan for societal collapse in crisis

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Please don't forget. I keep forgetting store-wide free shipping biggest sale of the year. Oh my store-wide free. God nice

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Nice

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Been a while since we've had a real good at Wow real nice at that one's brutal. Yeah, that's pretty bad. That was bad

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I mean, he's just suggesting that this was a false flag

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Without any evidence and they we got free shipping. Do you know what it's?

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It's somehow almost

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It's almost

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Comforting for him to call it a calls flat false flag as opposed to blaming Muslims themselves for happening for making it happen

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I mean, you know what I'm saying in there and he's still blaming Muslims for making us need to have a false flag

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I guess yeah, that's interesting. Is that what he's doing? Not entirely sure how those ideas coexist

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No matter what is going on. He thinks this is entirely Islam's fault. Yes

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Yeah, no matter what or fake doesn't they brought it upon themselves by existing?

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Yeah, or they did it to themselves, which they should never have done because they existed or whatever. Yeah, I mean

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Certainly, this is the first time in our two years of listening to him that his ideas aren't internally consistent. That's fair

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So that's unusual definitely spend a ton of time. All right. All right

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All right, calm it down. So what we're gonna stop doing that now, whatever

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Whatever the case is in terms of like if he's blaming Islam or if he's false flag and or blaming Islam

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Right, whatever the case may be, you know that there's one thing that's behind it

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And that is that Alex is really the victim of this attack. I you know that I know you know that I know

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So in this next clip Alex, I know and I don't want to know anymore Dan. I don't want to know anymore

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Alex and his caller who calls in commiserate about how they as white people are the real victims of the Christchurch mosque

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Terrorist, I swear to God if you don't men in black me at the end of this podcast

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Like if we make this another two years and you don't use the fucking neuralyzer on me. I'm gonna be pissed at you

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I'm gonna flash my vape pen at you works for me. Whatever removes the memories of these traumatic events

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I'm gonna elkabong you with this Manhattan special. I bet that would crush my head. Those are well-made bottles

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So yeah, this is this clip isn't good. But what it is what it is

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That guy down in New Zealand. He's a

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National socialist. He is not a capitalist American. You know what they're coming for us

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That's an attack on us America directly

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Or I'm glad you're upset because I'm sick of collectivist and eco-fascist and they want to organize and run everything. They're not America

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They're not 1776. I can take a Christian guy from Egypt who's super smart and great has brown skin

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And you'll have a great business a great family. It'll be totally law-abiding you make him a Muslim

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He'll act like a damn animal half the time you take a white

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It's the culture and it's the spirit and we have to have the spirit of Americana defeat their spirit

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And I totally agree with you gross

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gross

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I mean that's next-level bad in terms of

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I

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mean anything that's just

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If you take he's not talking about

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Man, he's not talking about radical extremist terrorism

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Islam he's he'll have a great business

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but if you take an Egyptian man and

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Turn him Muslim

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Well, then he's gonna start acting like an animal most of the time. Yes, damn

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This

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Is dehumanizing I miss dog whistles. Yeah. Yeah, I miss them

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I mean this is this is like a next-level overt like in terms of what he's putting into the world

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Like there's no excuse for something like this. This is I mean if you're if you're putting stuff out like this into the world you are

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doing

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The equivalent of like a Nazi broadcast in the lead-up to World War two. Yeah

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I mean what you're doing is you're saying that all Muslims share a quality that is an inhumanity

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Yep, and that is never acceptable. They're animals and that is that is not okay in any circumstances

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particularly after

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Slaughter of people because they were Muslim

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Happening in the world. Yeah, this is this is insane. Yeah, this is really insane. Like they're not they're not bothering to

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Thoughts and fucking prayers. We're not even there

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We went from a massacre happening to out-and-out defending why a massacre should happen. Yep and

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ascribing blame to the victims and

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Insinuating that because of their culture and who they are. They aren't capable of

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Rising to the level of being seen as humans. This is just fucking

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It's bad obvious. So it's obvious now. Let's take a little breather. I just I just don't know whether it was better

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Ten years ago when people said this without saying it

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Yes, do you think so? Because this is not like statistics on hate crimes show that yes, it was but oh actually

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Yeah, that's a very good point. I'm at a very point from a utilitarian perspective

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Yes, they're absolutely better if you're looking at how you'd love the world to be. No, it's not better if people secretly believe these things

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in their heart

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But aren't allowed to say them freely in public. That's not that much better

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You would wish that everybody understood each other and cared about each other on a human level

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Obviously, that's the ideal you'd like to get to right but it since we're in the real world

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I

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Think that you'd rather keep people from being the victim of victims of crimes like this right and terrorist acts that destroy entire

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communities right it's that

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It's the I suppose the only thing is what stage of dealing with cancer are we at right because it's extreme

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Ten years ago. We were at stage one where we just knew there was cancer everywhere, right?

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And now we're at stage four where cancer is fucking exploding all over our goddamn face, but unfortunately ten years ago

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We had you know oncologists who are telling us things with like the myak report

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Yep, that we're warning us that you had the early signs of cancer

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Yeah, and then there were cancer propagandists who were saying that oncologists don't know what the fuck they're talking about

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They're just trying to demonize these wonderful cells that grow really fast. Yeah

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Don't judge no grow really fast. They're the same genetic material. They're still good cells

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Yeah, they're still good cells

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But hey, yeah, they're bigger they grow faster and you can't kill them. That sounds free market. That sounds great

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Who really? Yeah, if you didn't want the cancer, then you wouldn't let the cancer take your cells. See that's obvious

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It's your fault on some level this metaphor does hold because there were warning signs in the pre

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Metastasizing phase. Yes, and the people who were in favor of the metastasization

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Were the ones who got those signs ignored and and retracted and stuff like that

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Yeah, now we have come to the point that we're at now and what's interesting about that

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Is that even if you look back at Alex in 2009?

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His goal wasn't hating Islam like what he's become now isn't what he was then

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All of this stuff is that world changed? Yeah, the militia patriot community changed

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Yeah in some way that transitioned. I'm not entirely sure when

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But it changed into the this character being predominantly

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anti-islam and it's

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it's troubling because all of the other stuff that he did before informs this right all of the resistance to

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the

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DHS and the FBI taking

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White terrorism seriously has aided in the anti-muslim

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World view that he perpetuates now, so it's really weird that what he did

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Previous to even believing these things is a part of yeah what the present reality and it's also what?

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Traps them in this current ideology is because if they were to accept a change now

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They would have they would have to accept that they were wrong not to change that I

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Mean maybe yeah, I mean there might be a piece of that

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So um let's take a break from all this heavy stuff because Alex does at this point right?

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Oh, and he starts getting really

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If you ever need a full

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The sort of glimpse at his narcissism, and how it works this next clip is exhibit a

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You know if folks knew what was going on behind the scenes around here

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If I was at liberty to tell you you're getting sued a lot you would but you would be

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You'd be pretty positive actually there's a lot of bad things happening too, but

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The power structure has figured out that globalism as it was set up. He's not gonna work the people are against it

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Because the people that run the upper echelons were still compartmentalized

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They now know what the endgame it was and it's not gonna. It's not gonna hunt

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I've entered the dog is not gonna hunt so now there is a mad scramble to figure out what the establishments going to do and

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That's the point that we have reached here, and I'll just leave it at that

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Because I've got a lot of people not trying to charm me to the table with them

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But a lot of people from different levels of government and corporations and the military

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Literally saying well, what do you think the alternative is?

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Well

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Just how about we don't model everything off after communist China, let's start there. Do you understand what he's saying?

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Cuz I'll spell it out for you

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He's saying that back in the day he had

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Globalists that would come up to him and try and charm him to the table to be like hey, man

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You're really cool

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You should be on our team

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Now things have gone so bad for the globalists that he has globalists that are coming up to him

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And they're like dude. What do we do?

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He is now the Oracle that could tell the globalists how to write the ship and he's telling him don't model shit off China

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He is acting like he is now. He's now the head globalist

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No, because he's probably he's now he's now getting a consultant fee for global

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No, no, no cuz I think he's insinuating that he's not working with them

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But the approach that they're having is different now absolutely opposed to trying to sucker him in and lure him over to the dark side

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They're like this dark side sucks, man. You're so good. We need your advice Alex. Don't you love Satan?

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Don't you love Satan not anymore, man. That's not don't you want to come hang out with us?

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No, no, no, we got money. We got riches. We got power smash cut to present day Alex

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I don't know what to do

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We failed you were right all alone

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We just staged this white supremacist massacre, and now we don't know how to take advantage of it Alex. Please help us Alex

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What can we do?

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This is a pathetic level of narcissism

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And like just like I would love to talk to someone who listens to Alex's show who believes that story

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Yeah, like I would love to figure out what it would take for you to like believe that yeah, that is crazy

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Yeah, that's crazier than the gay wedding story. Oh, yeah, or the globalists in the hot tub or anything

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That's ever happened on the hike and bike trail. That is crazy, but the idea that his I don't know

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a lifelong enemies have now come to nemesis have come to a point where like this shit's no good we better call in Alex for

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A consult. Yep, get the fuck out of here nonsense

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It's nice to take that little moment to enjoy Alex's narcissism being on full display

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For the world to see because now we get to the point where Alex actually tries to read the manifesto

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And I would say don't do that. Like just generally don't do that

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Yeah, even if you are a mainstream news source

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Probably not in anyone's best interests to read this guy's manifesto

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Of course, if you're Alex, it's certainly not going to be a productive exercise. I think it's I think it's foolish

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if you're a researcher with full understanding of the context and you're trying to put this in a larger like a

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A larger worldview that explains not just this event but so many and how it ties all that together and you're gonna put this together

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Over this over the time span of like a year read the hell out of that manifesto

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If a murderer if a mass murder happened yesterday

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Don't read the manifesto. Let it go. No and not now and the the essential piece is be careful. I mean like that's really the

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whatever

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No matter who you are no matter what the time frame is, but especially the day after be careful because you might be

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Helping what the terrorist wanted to get out

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Yeah

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I mean like in the same way that we've already talked over and over again about some of these things being trolly

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some of them being that clearly jokes and sarcastic and yeah

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Attempts to bait people into X Y or Z if you don't know what you're doing and you just read this manifesto

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you run the very serious risk of aiding the terrorist in the end goal that they

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Seek to achieve right? It's a game that you shouldn't play unless you are very certain. You know what you're doing

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Yeah, just one of the reasons why any time that we've talked about anything from the manifesto on this episode

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I've tried to make very clear that I have no idea if he's serious about this

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Yeah, try to only use things as like well, here's why it's pointless what Alex is saying, right?

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That sort of thing. Um, I don't Alex does not what he has to say, right?

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Alex seems to but he also clearly hasn't read any of this and is just getting these excerpts from his intern and

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As he reads it he starts to like respond to it

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Using his normal mind and it's very interesting to see how that happens and what happens because of it

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I think you know what's gonna happen

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Yeah, I chose firearms for the fact that it would have a social discourse the extra media coverage

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They would provide and the effect it would have on the politics of the United States and thereby the political situation of the world

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You see this guy didn't feel like he had a home as a man to show he was successful

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That's in business, but no he had to do it this way

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That analysis is unrelated to anything that that passage was talking about and also that passage from the manifesto if taken

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Literally is clearly talking about like using people like Alex. Yeah in order to cause chaos

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Yeah, exactly like the idea is like, okay

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So I'm going to use all of these guns because I know that people are going to then have a conversation about guns

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The left is going to move on gun regulation and that sort of thing people like Alex are going to scream about it

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And it's going to turn into some sort of a further conflagration

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I don't know if that's actually what he's seeked to achieve

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But that is what's in the manifesto

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Alex is reading that not realizing that what he is manifesting is exactly the side that the right plays in

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The manifestos conception of the back and forth that will come from this attack exactly and in this next clip. I

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Think he starts to get petty maybe a little bit jealous. I would have been a better shooter than this guy

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It's less about the shooting and more about I have better aim. It's more about the ideas

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The u.s. Is torn to many factions

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By the Second Amendment along state and social cultural and importantly racial lines

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With enough pressure the left-wing the United States will seek to abolish and or attack the very freedom and Liberty

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This attempt and abolishment of rights by the left will result in a dramatic polarization. It's already happened see

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So now when we talk about what's already happened. Oh, we got it from him

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This is all written as if like he discovered the wheel. He discovered electricity. You understand what's going on there

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There's a sense of Alex being like I already know this shit man. I've been saying this forever

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Which is not something you want to hear

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Your response be to a terrorists manifesto sincere or not like whatever he's writing

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You don't want to be like I've been saying that forever man

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Why like you're gonna later when I keep saying these things people gonna be like you're just mirroring this terrorists manifesto

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No, he got it from me. Yeah, it's not good. Yeah, that is a bad response

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I wouldn't want that. I wouldn't want that but you understand his his insecurity and pettiness requires that that be his response

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He's like this is my shit, man. I didn't get it from him. He got it for me

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His biggest problem with the mass shooting is plagiarism

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Well, that's why you don't cold read something like this on air when you're Alex probably because you accidentally say shit like that

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Anybody who's paying attention sees exactly what's going on here? Yeah, like Alex. Oh you guys think

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You know just cuz he kills people you listen to him. I have been telling you to kill people for years

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Years Alex pull up man. Do you are? No, it was my ideas that led to him killing all those people

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You're heading into a spin man. Just cuz he kills people you think he came up with it. No, I told him to do it

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You just see Harrison Smith put his head down and walk out the door like I tried

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Oh, well, so this next clip I think Alex is expressing that he's mad that he didn't get a shout out in the manifesto

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I am genuine. I honestly believed that was going to happen before we even started this episode

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I honestly thought Alex is gonna be like, ooh, am I in it?

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I mean, he doesn't specifically say that or anything like that, but it's sort of the sense that I get behind his words

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So see he's stating what's already happened and acting like it's him. So it's a form of delusion of grandeur

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Like I never said which I am intimately familiar with Renaissance

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I said I was gonna promote it and try to reboot it and our audience

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together we flipped the switch we

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score

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we got it going but

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To behave like he's triggering all this is just asinine. It's already been triggered

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And then it just goes on from there

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What the fuck is that

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I mean that's way worse than him not wanting a shout-out or him wanting way there to be a shout-out where there wasn't he's talking

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About like all these ideas that this guy is putting into his manifesto

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He's like I look I'm the real leader. I'm like I rebooted

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1776 2.0. I'm the one who did it you all our listeners

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We're the real leaders and now everyone's gonna act like he did it

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I've been doing this forever if I if I understand fucking nuts if I understand correctly

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My reading is he is saying

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This guy's attack was

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Unnecessary because we've already started the process by which we're going to get rid of and solve all the problems in his

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Manifesto, I'm not sure it's already been triggered that the the movement to get rid of all Muslims

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That's already started man. You didn't need to kill those people that reading. I've been fair

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I've been telling people to do what you've been what you told them to do for such a long time

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We've already got the ball rolling. What are you doing? You don't even bring anything to this table

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That reading is fair in some ways

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I think but I think a larger a better reading of it is possibly like I

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Speaking as Alex I

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Am afraid that in the future people are going to look at him as a leading figure in some sort of a pushback

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Against invading Muslim hordes or whatever when they should be lying to I've been on that tip for a long time

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And I mean if that's your response to first of all the aftermath like the day after

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an attack like this a terrorist attack like this and

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Reading this person's manifesto like you are so beyond fucked up

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Like I know cuz that's it that expresses jealousy

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Yeah

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It does it expresses it entirely

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expresses jealousy of him thinking something along the line position that this person has obtained something along the lines of I would have I

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Would be bigger if I had killed people. Mmm. I think there's I think I think there's a little bit there

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But that's not that's not precisely what he's saying because I know I know because I do think that Alex still holds to his

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I'm just digging into the like the actual

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Side meanings of all of this stuff is he's kind of saying people are going to give him credit

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Right for a movement that I started. It's the it's the push and pull the tension

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between the

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The the surface world of all this stuff where you have people like Alex people like Ben Shapiro

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Tucker

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Even Bill Maher who are doing these really disgustingly anti-islam displays on the regular all of whom are

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Hilarious writer they do all this stuff on the like publicly and all that stuff and then there are people like this guy who shot

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Up these mosques who are doing the the other part

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Which is the logical extension of their rhetoric exactly and most people

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Like the Ben Shapiro's of the world whenever these terrorist attacks happen

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That are clearly an offshoot of what they put into the world through their discourse and rhetoric. They are like, holy shit

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I'm not involved with this. How dare you say I am right and Alex is like one like Alex

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Why didn't you give me credit for this? Well, because that's that's where Alex lives and I think it's a piece of the

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militia tradition that he comes from that he kind of resents the fact that he's a part of the info war and has to be

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Like he recognizes on some level. He wants to be part of that Michigan militia, baby

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They're on the front line. There's a tiny piece of it that he he knows that there's more

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accolade more acclaim more like and then people will look at you as the person who put the

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anti-immigrant

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Rhetoric into action if you go shoot that stuff up, but my lot in life speaking as Alex is to be the guy who?

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Sounds the alarm and is always anti-violence which informs that caller on our last fucking episode whenever the caller is like

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I've been in the service. I'm in the splinter cells. I'm doing all of this shit

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Why don't you say no to the Constitution? That's Alex saying like man. I wish I could be in that Michigan militia

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I wish I could be there. You don't think I do anything because I don't kill people man

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I'm what makes your shit possible, right?

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He regret he resents in some ways that he is not getting he's a facilitator. Yep

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He doesn't like being John Stark or John Stockton or John Stockton assist master. Absolutely that sort of thing

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He knows his place and he understands the cosmology. He understands the interconnectedness on some level whether it's visceral

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Subconscious or conscious. I'm not entirely sure but he understands the structure and he resents his place in it

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Yeah

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Because it's the place that doesn't it's the place that takes the most heat

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because there are people who complain about you all the fucking time right and it's the the place that doesn't get the

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real crazies

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Enthusiastic like he doesn't want to be the shield. He wants to be the sword

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Yeah, there's something to that. Yeah, so in the manifesto this guy

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Says yeah in the Q&A section that he has with himself

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he asks are you a Trump supporter and his response is along the lines of

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As someone who has given a resurgence to white identity and and that sort of thing

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Yes, I support him as a policy maker. Absolutely not. Here's Alex's

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Attempt to read that and respond to it

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Where are you a supporter of Donald Trump? Are you a supporter as a symbol of renewed white identity?

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Which is not what Trump's even doing. He's identity a free market Americana and

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Unifying see that that's the lie. Why do you read this is leftist stuff bunch of professors wrote this month. Okay

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Okay

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So we're we're full on false flagging

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Well, I mean let's unpack that for a second like the idea that he's putting forth that leftist professors wrote this manifesto

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They're necessarily requires that they were those leftist professors had stridently and stringently resourced

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and researched all of their possible writings in order to

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Perfectly create a facsimile of what a right-wing person

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Would say I would I'd be fine with that like that

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It sounds like either way it's an accurate reflection of white supremacy, right?

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But that's not a bridge too far like the idea that

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Leftist professors nefarious ones who have supposedly written this manifesto did research and found out what a right-wing

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Terrorist would say I don't believe that that's too hard to believe. No. No, what what I'm saying is that it wouldn't matter either way

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No, it's like the it's like the time travel are fine. I'm just I'm it's not I agree. You know what I'm saying

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Yeah, it's only because they know what a right-wing person would say that they would write what right, you know, yeah

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I agree with that. I'm talking about something slightly to the side of that

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Okay

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And that is that if these leftist professors wrote this it necessarily requires that they also had a hand in the actual shooting

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Right, right, right, right, or they were at least aware of how the shoot. Yeah. Yeah, right

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They didn't write it 20 minutes after the shooting happened being like, ah, we got him, right?

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They didn't they didn't create back like back dated a 4chan posts and all of that shit, right?

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They didn't they didn't I mean what it would require is an unthinkable ability to control coincidence

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Yeah, or they planned the entire fucking thing from the beginning. So that's kind of what he's putting into the world

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and

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No

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Trump has given a resurgence to white identity. That is that is kind of a big

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Big thing he does. Yeah, so in this next clip Alex talks about how in the manifesto

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The he talks about how Candace Owens radicalized him

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Now all the reporting that I've seen on it outside of Twitter because Twitter is a no-man's land

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Yeah, the actual reporting on it every article that I've read has been like this is clearly a joke, right?

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Alex in this next clip clearly recognizes that it is a joke

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But he refuses to accept that as a part of his narratives

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But you can see if you listen very closely or even not that closely. You will see that he knows it was a joke

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Is there a particular person that radicalized you the most? Yes

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The person that has influenced me above all was Candace Owens each time she spoke

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I was stunned by her insights in her own views helped push me further and further into the belief of violence over meekness

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This is a total sick trolling though. I will have to disavow some of her beliefs the extreme action

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She calls for too much even for my taste

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That is a total satanic inversion of reality. This is a left-hand path

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devil note

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So he recognizes the reality of it. Yeah, he's trolling. It's trolling

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Yeah, but then insists that no, it's it's devilry, but the trolling itself is also

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proof that

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He's right. I guess that Candace Owens

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Did radicalize him because he's influenced by Satan

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I think it's super unlikely if someone's writing something like whether sincere or not like with the manifesto like that's pointing out

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old 1930s fascists and like

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marginally obscure

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1930s fascists and

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Anders Breivik and Dylann Roof and these sorts of people and then they say that their main source of radicalization is Candace Owens

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You can't take that seriously like it just indicates

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Nonsensicalness and for Alex to recognize that it is fucking around on some level

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Yeah, and then refuse to accept what that implies

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Is just so indicative of how he does business. It's just terrible. Yeah

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So we've already heard him Matt Bracken and Stuart Rhodes indicate that they kind of agree

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largely with what motivated this terrorist act

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and as Alex is reading this manifesto, he closes out his analysis with I mean

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Once again agreeing with him won't your attack result in calls for removal of gun rights from whites in the United States

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Yes, that's the plan all along

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You said you would fight to protect your rights in the Constitution

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Constitution well soon

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Will come the time

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That's what I keep telling people. That's not good. Oh, no, that's you shouldn't read a you shouldn't read a mass murders

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Manifesto

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Out loud and say that's what I've been telling people. Look man. This guy gets it

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That's not good. Nope, that is shit

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so

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Towards the end of Alex's time on this episode because he has someone else host the fourth hour

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He keeps saying that Millie Weaver is coming up. And so I turned off the episode. Good call

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I don't give a shit whatever rainbow snatch has to say about this sort of thing. No not interested

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Uh-uh, not you have a fuck. So Alex closes out his analysis with this

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Next clip analysis is a strong word very generous on my part

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He closes out his support for a white nationalist terrorist. I was gonna say his bullshit

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Oh, okay this similar similar

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The ways to characterize this

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Man, here's here's where he's at at the end of this day. This is this Friday episode. This is a psyop

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This is this is globalism wrote large and I will tell you at a gut level

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This guy had help. This is synthetic and it's the start of more

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This is how the globalists are gonna counter nationalism is having this guy be our spokesperson when he's not a nationalist

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He even tells you he's a global fascist

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No, he said he was an eco-fascist guy had help. It was this but he might he might have had help

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We don't I don't I don't on Saturday the reporting there are other people who have been arrested

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But we don't know the right like the full scope of I think the important word there is synthetic

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Yeah, I think that might be psyop. I think it might be that one again with the caveat that there's possible

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insincerity in the

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Manifesto that needs to be constantly reiterated

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But if you take the manifesto just based on what it says the writer is definitely explicitly a nationalist

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He uses the 14 he uses the word 14 times in the document. He also uses the 14 words natural white supremacy

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And he uses the word nationalist in these contexts quote

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I am NOT a direct member of any organization or group though

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I've donated to many nationalist groups and interacted with many more in response to his own question quote were you or are you a

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Nationalist he replies quote. Yes predominantly an ethno nationalist later

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He says quote I am an ethno nationalist just pretty overt so for Alex to say he's not a nationalist

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The only information Alex has to go on is this possibly dubious manifesto

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But if he goes on it the guy very literally says that he's a nationalist repeatedly

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Do you know I think I think the reason that I don't care what he has to say?

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the the manifesto

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I think the main reason is be is the same reason. I don't care if

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You know somebody some GOP senator says that they're not a racist right like I don't care what you say because everything you do

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specifically and

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Targetedly affects minorities right in a negative way. How do you define racist?

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We can't yeah, we can't don't we care

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We can't have an argument about whether or not you are self-reporting as a racist if we don't trust your definition of that right

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I don't know. I don't trust anything that this guy has to say

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I don't care about anything that guy has to say because he went to a mosque

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Yeah, and he murdered people and that explains itself. Yeah done

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Yeah, I don't know why he killed it does and I want to be clear

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I don't think that you're saying this, but I just want to reinforce. I also don't care what he said. Yeah, no

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I was absolutely not saying that I know

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Yeah

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The only reason I keep bringing up stuff from it is because Alex is bringing up stuff from it and I'm responding to him

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You're doing diligence. Well, I'm not sure I am and maybe there's a piece of it that I shouldn't have engaged at all

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There is an argument to be made for that and I'm fine hearing it if someone has that criticism

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Yeah, the only reason I felt any need to bring anything into it

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I think we've done a decent job of calling out repeatedly that who knows if this is sincere or not

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I know so who cares what it says. Yes

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But if Alex is going to play that game

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Kind of it behooves me to know know what Alex is talking about

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I was just trying to express that I will not be swayed or influenced or

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Consider any argument that involves something that's in that manifesto. Oh, yeah

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I don't give a shit about you can tell me what his manifesto said

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I'm so cool with that

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But if you say because his manifesto said this you should I'm I'm done

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Yeah

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And that's why I tried to make it very clear to and my my point that I was saying about Alex having blood on his

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Hands about this as absolutely with the manifesto it absolutely the reality of the world and what he does. Absolutely

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Absolutely. So Jordan. Yeah, here we go. All right, it's all too clear to see what's happening here on this episode

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I think now that we've come to the end of it

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Alex knows that this is big and he knows that he has to fight back against the idea that this really was a xenophobic

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anti-muslim terrorist because of course he does but there's a part of me that suspects he doesn't even understand the scope of what he's

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Dealing with right now as we touched on in the last episode a major element of the undoing of the militia

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Patriot community in the mid 90s was Timothy McVeigh

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The ugly face of what was being preached on shortwave radio and on hidden message boards was put on full display

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And people had to deal with what was in front of them when shown in the full light of day became

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Incredibly clear to everyone that these militia groups were radicalizing crazy people and it was an inevitable

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Conclusion that eventually someone was going to follow through with their logic and kill tons of people if you truly believe that a global elite

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Group are planning on bringing in an oppressive worldwide dictatorship that involves universal oppression forever

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It stands to reason that you might consider options other than I don't know

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starting an absurdly dumb radio show and then eventually selling boner pills as your plan of action a

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Certain amount of people who truly believe that message are going to become terrorists and they're going to believe that they're justified to do

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So at Timothy McVeigh forced people to see what was really going on in a way that they didn't have to previously

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this

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terrorist attack in Christchurch has the potential to be the same sort of watershed moment for what the militia patriot movement has become

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They still love their guns and yell about the new world order

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But the primary preoccupation of people in that community is a hatred of and an agitation towards Muslims

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everyone kind of knows that on some level but most people are going about their daily lives and they don't have to know about white genocide

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narratives that are pushed in these communities or the idea of a demographic cliff in the replacement theory a

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terrorist act like this makes them have to look at it in a way that Timothy McVeigh forced normal people to learn about the new

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World order or the idea of a Zionist occupied government the idea that replacement theory

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The idea of the replacement theory is one that ultimately by definition must lead to violence and murder

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There's just no other way around it

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if your problem is that and I'm just making up these numbers here Muslims in America have twice the birth rate of white people and

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You're scared that eventually that will lead to them having the numbers required to take over the country. You have an unsolvable problem

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Well, you have a horrendous you're a horrendous bigot who defines people based on one attribute

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But you also have an unsolvable problem and it's this at what point do relative birth rates become acceptable to you

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Can it be one-to-one between races? Can you only accept a point seven five to one birth rate between non-whites and whites?

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How are you gonna enforce that sort of plan?

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Before you even touch on the logistics of what these people are complaining about and pushing for you're already at the point of racial quotas

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When a person who isn't a zealot blinded by hate that is constantly reinforced by manipulative propaganda is

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Exposed to these sorts of ideas the logical end point they see of this thinking becomes clear

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the first suggestion that would probably be made would be to forcefully deport all people who don't fit the conception of what you want the

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population to be

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Many of those people would have been born here and a forced deportation would necessarily

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Economically cripple them if not put them in legitimate danger

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and their life at risk

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Depending on where you're sending them and then you have to consider the fact that at least some of those people that you want to

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Deport wouldn't agree to go along with it. Possibly many of them wouldn't then what well

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I guess you'd have to put them in internment camps and before you know it

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We're already at the first stages of another Holocaust and we're not even talking about the point where it's let's kill them

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Just the logistical aspects of what this worldview implies leads you to the first steps of the Holocaust

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Absolutely without exception. There is no way around it. Yep. I've thought about this a great deal

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If you are obsessed with demographic cliff ideas and these sort of variable birth rate ideas

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the next step in the conversation that you have to have is

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Basically this like at what point is it? Okay, right because if your problem is Muslim breeding or something like that

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What level of Muslims having kids are you okay with

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Where is the line? Well, I mean, I suppose the only difference that the

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white nationalist Nazis now would

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attempt to claim from

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the Nazis not the Nazi Nazis is

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That they don't want to create the Holocaust

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They want to look hey. Hey, look if we were running Germany in the 1930s

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We would have just moved all the Jews to Israel. We wouldn't have killed them

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Israel's for Jews right Saudi Arabia's for Muslims

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America's for white folk. See we're way better than the Nazis of old. How dare you compare us to Hitler?

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We want you to have a home. Let's not deal with the fact that you're totally fine with let's say Germans living in America

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Hold on. Whoa, whoa

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Whoa

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Yeah, I know they would do something like that yeah even that conversation if allowed to carry through to its neck

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I mean, well, we're if they're if they don't go then we have to kill them, right?

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Well, I mean, of course, right or it doesn't

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Concentration and then if and then deport them and if they try and come back, well, we'll have to kill them

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I mean, we just don't have a choice. That is an implicit piece

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That's behind absolute world view absolute people are forced to look at it

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They will understand I hope they'll understand that a little better and this is not some kind of thing where liberals just call everything

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They disagree with Nazis

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this is a very natural extension of where the logic of

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demographic anxiety leads and one of the reasons that this line of thinking often leads to murder is

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Because the idea of following through with this ideology in any other way

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It just becomes absurd if you even think about it for a short amount of time

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You start to realize how fucking stupid the ideas of trying to put this in action in any other way is

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So if you are someone who believes in these ideas, you probably start thinking about it like well

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Yeah, we could put people in camp, but you know, that would be so expensive to run all those camps

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So let's just fucking kill the same people who?

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Bitch about the deficit are then going to go out of their way to create a humane

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Right ethnostate it's absurd absurd and that's why they're gonna kill and that's why this mentality

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As it trickles down into the drain ends up the same people who believe it trickles down economics. Well

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But it ends up in murder because that's always that is the easiest and it's the cheapest but it is also what's logically

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Consistent with this worldview like it's it. I don't mean to say that it makes sense

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I just know that if you take the thinking to the extension and the next step in the next step after that

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It is not absurd if you agree with the first premise to get to the conclusion that murder is okay

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For these people exactly and that even if you say you

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Even if you say you agree with the premise, but then you say well, but we would never let it get that bad

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Mm-hmm. You're full of shit, right? You would well and you couldn't control it even if you wanted to it's like it's like when

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I couldn't you could you absolutely not in the same way that I'm sure a lot of the people who are making good money off

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The malicious stuff in the 90s were like well, we hope we can control people from actually bombing federal buildings, right?

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But you can't you can't do it

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You can't control this beast that you put out into the world with this rhetoric

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Because there are people who will hear you take you seriously and think well

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I'm gonna be a hero by doing this right because I'm standing up in a way that no one else will

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people who

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Agitate towards things that lead to hate crimes need to be dealt with as accessories to hate crimes

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I don't know how you do that. I'm not entirely sure what policy exactly needs to be made

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But we need to start having that conversation and I'm just sick of this shit

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So I've said my piece. I think that's a that's what needs to be said

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Sorry to yell at you. No. No what what you're gonna apologize to me?

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Well, that's kind of out of character out of our dynamic. It is. Well, that's a welcome change. I got a little head of steam

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It's a welcome change. I think I think what's amazing

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this episode is

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how

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Many candidates we have for the people who have not killed a guy

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And I'm gonna go with literally every Muslim organization that you said

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Denounce terrorism

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We have a hundred Muslim organizations who have probably technically never fucking killed a guy Dan

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Yeah, but one guy who technically probably has is the guy who says that they've never

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Condemned any kind of terrorism and he's a pile of shit

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That guy's name is Alex Jones

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Andy in Kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding

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Oh Alex, I'm a person color. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you