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andy in kansas you're on the air thanks for holding

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well i think that the first in color of a huge fan i love your work

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a lot of everybody would like to know which side of the object of the words

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like sit around recovery beverages and talk a little bit about alex june

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deed we are day on did you say in because it's subtly trying to buzz

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market your show tonight in indiana the people who are listening to this

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tomorrow really

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that's what i'm doing buzz marking i thought i was just buzz marketing indiana entirely

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the subtle vocal patterns indeed

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sneaky

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misha walk indeed so if you have a time machine come check out jordan in indiana

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please do last night it'll be a great show it'll be a great show it was when

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you're listening to this fantastic yeah good times you gotta do a better job of

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plugging your shows that's really what i'm getting oh yeah no i'm really bad

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could have brought this up on monday could have done it

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easy easy gotta make a point of this in the future i i think it's probably a

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smart probably an off-show conversation do you have a question for me

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uh yeah yeah yeah yeah bath salts or bath bombs bath salts

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i think we've talked about this a little bit i find bath bombs a little bit

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disappointing because they're called bombs and all they do is fizz a little

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bit yeah find it very disappointing um but it's just the appearance of them

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what do you mean i mean i want more of an experience out of it it's called a

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bomb yeah you know i want i want or something i don't know that's fair um i

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i bath salts for me are a very like uh i i've always loved a bath but it's it's

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a part of my uh brain that still loves kind of new agey bullshit um it's

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something i really value is like oh we've been to the witch store oh yeah it

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was fantastic there's like there's there's bath salts that'll give you

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peace yeah or a tranquility i i believe uh the the one i bought was uh

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prosperity prosperity yeah absolutely and i i know that there's no magic to

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these bath salts but i'll be damned if i'm not gonna go buy those instead of

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the uh the calgon brand or whatever yeah yeah for sure even though i have some

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calgon bath salts in my uh my bathroom right now but that was just because i

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couldn't make the trip to the witch store so jordan today we had a very

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interesting episode to go over um but before we do we got to say thank you to

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some people who make this show possible i think it's a smart idea swimming in

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bath salts oh yeah you got that sweet sweet bath salt

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money that's not true at all uh so first of all i'd like to say

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thank you to maria you are now policy wonk

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i'm a policy wonk thank you maria next ursula thank you so much you are now a

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policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thanks ursula uh next jack v you are now a

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policy wonk i'm a policy wonk thank you jackie v next

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jack m thank you so much you are now a policy wonk

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i'm a policy wonk thank you jackie m we're very popular with jacks

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we've got a lot of andies a lot of jacks we're trying to fill up our jack quota

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yeah yeah yeah we're low uh-huh next and thank you so much you are now a policy

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wonk i'm a policy wonk thank you uh then finally i'd like to

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say thank you to somebody who donated on a little bit of an elevated level we

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appreciate it very much so rachel thank you so much you are now a

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technocrat i'm a policy wonk crikey mate that's fantastic have

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yourself a brew how's your 401k doing bro all right we

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gotta go full tilt boogie on this watson all right

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let's just get down to business we ain't making that money off that heroin

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why you pimps so good my neck is freakishly large

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i declare info war on you thank you so much rachel

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thank you very much rachel if you're out there listening and you're thinking hey

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we all like that show would like to support these guys and what they do you

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can do that by going to our website knowledgefight.com

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there's a button that says support the show we'd appreciate it it would be nice

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now jordan today we are in what we call a pickle barrel

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okay who calls it a pickle barrel i do or i did yesterday when i was preparing

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this episode okay well that's fair so we had it we're in a situation where

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we're you know coming up with the the episode to do

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and uh the time frame of the world right now i was like well

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alex has probably got some really fucking interesting things to say about

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it we just had the european elections yeah

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uh his boy faraj went buck wild on fools of course

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all alex's other friends lost uh ceremoniously all of his all the people

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who will show up on alex's show the tommy robinson's of the world

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the accounts dankula yeah uh i guess uh sargon

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i don't know if he's ever come on alex's show but he also lost

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so i thought like for sure monday's show is going to be

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pretty buck wild it would have to be and so i turned it on

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and it's it was it was trash well i don't know why but owen shroyer was

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co-hosting the entire show the entire show yeah my my theory was

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that they thought he'd alex would need a babysitter because it was memorial day

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okay so he was just gonna be fucked up yeah yeah that was kind of my thinking

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but weirdly if you listen to the episode alex doesn't seem drunk

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he he just seems kind of present-day alexy

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yeah there's nothing like ah he's not throwing hatchets around or anything

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god damn it yeah i know it's kind of disappointing he should have hatchets

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on hand underneath his desk all the time all the time

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so the first half hour was kind of just begging for money it was all just

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like seriously severe uh plugs yeah um like like i'm not just

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saying it kept happening it was a protracted uh commercial just one long

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non-stop based on the premise of the european elections

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uh and how nationalism is taking over the world and it's because of alex

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entirely well infowars kicked this off that's as nigel forage has even said

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alex is responsible for ukip becoming a viable party

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god that should be uh punishable by uh i think you know 20 to 25 to life

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i think it's a little bit of an exaggeration uh but

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whatever so alex his deconstruction of the european elections are just that

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like ha ha nationalism's taken over suck it globalist great

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so anyway alex is just kind of rambling it's a bunch of nonsense and i don't

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really care all that much there's no real good analysis there's nothing

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there's no good point it's just sort of fatalistic and like

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trump is going to try people for treason sure it's kind of just taking laps

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around stuff i've already kind of talked about already so i was like all right

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it's it's wednesday wacky wednesday time baby let's get into it let's do

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something so i went over to project camp a lot

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there's nothing there it's trash ah trash wall to wall god damn it's just

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like 5g round table discussions like round table

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discussions about 5g with everybody lying get bent lady i don't

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care good stop it this isn't good content

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so i was like all right maybe dave dob and meyer let's go check in with him

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coach dave i got like three minutes into a video i'm like get out i already

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understand you i don't this is this is garbage yeah yeah

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so i'm like holy shit you know what i just remembered

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larry nichols has a youtube channel where he started recording things

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what yeah larry nichols has a youtube channel

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oh boy oh boy so i was like maybe we should

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start covering larry nichols weird youtube videos that he puts out like

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30 minute uh dispatches of his information breaks

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sure um and so i started listening to those i'm like these

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are so boring they're just not surprising you cannot imagine how

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terrible it is to listen to half hour of larry talking straight

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i can we talk to him true but we had us talking to break that up that's true

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without anybody else there larry is tough to listen to okay so we're not

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going to be covering larry nichols although i will tell you this because i

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went through his youtube channel i can tell you two things one larry

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doesn't believe in q anon oh well that's good yeah it's

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interesting interesting development second thing i learned larry nichols

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recorded an album hmm i just took a drink and that was

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very close to a spit take larry nichols what the fuck just happened

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there larry nichols recorded an album of song covers

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he did not and here is a sampling

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people get ready there's a train to come

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this is not that terrible

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all you need is faith

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this really isn't that bad it's serviceable

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now i'm starting to think willie nelson was involved in iran contrary as well

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oh

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so where did this chart are you sure

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not even on the billboard top 100

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oh larry nichols

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all right that was long but it me i needed us to get to larry nichols

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singing what a wonderful yeah no of course that that was the that

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was the cherry on top that was the kicker a couple points about

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this first of all there's like a six minute video with even more songs that

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you can go find it's online it's on youtube uh if

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you need more of that larry uh he recorded this and released it

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fairly recently recently yeah which calls into question his

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voice you know what i mean like the way he

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presents i'm just walking around not doing a sea

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of green red roses i know that people speaking and

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singing voices can be pretty markedly different

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uh but i don't think that different no i think that's absurd

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yeah like what he's presenting is damage to his vocal system

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chords yeah yeah and you wouldn't be able to sing like that i don't think if

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you had listen to me i'm gonna die soon yeah that's

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that's very much like a a disney cartoon from the 90s where it's the

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speaking voice and then the singing voices all of a sudden you're like oh

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shit that's a different person entirely right they had a double cast

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yeah exactly yeah christina aguilera is singing and then the second thing i

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or maybe even third i don't remember how many points i have on this issue but

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uh i don't think that larry has the right to

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sell covers of these songs like did he get the eagles to let him sing

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desperado yeah of course no yeah no he made a few

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hundred calls to iran and i ran took care of it i

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certainly don't have the time or interest in doing this

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but if a glenn fry if you're listening send larry a season to see just to fuck

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with him he's illegally covering your songs

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that would be an interesting day in larry nickels life he's not paying your

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royalties get down there take care of business

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what are you telling me i can't sing anything like that anymore

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so we can't listen to larry nickels i'm like god damn it

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what uh what are we gonna do i was really up against it i couldn't figure

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out what what to do and then i realized like all

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right with project camelot stuff it basically

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becomes uh like well let's it's always

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exciting when there's new uh information about mark richards

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whenever she goes back to the prison it's always fun yeah and now that's sort

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of morphed because of kevin moore making this

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documentary about mark richards and him having this

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feud with carrie it became it's become morphed now like we

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we covered him because of his coverage and we found that

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that he's a completely absurd channeler yeah and a

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con man running a uh psychic hotline yeah and i was like well let's let's

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check him out some more and i went to his channel oh no and i

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found something completely insane okay and that's what we'll be going over

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today it does involve carrie cassidy oh and here's an out of context drop from

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today's show pearl harbor that was a fucking false

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flag you need to get educated it's the return

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of sweary carrie very

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um so the uh what we've got going on today is uh

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kevin moore the guy who's making a documentary about mark richards who

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carrie cassidy believes is a secret space program whistleblower who hangs

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out with raptor aliens but is actually a murderer uh yes yeah

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yeah and a con man and aspiring cult leader

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um he is on another show he is on a show called freedom of joyce

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nope terry joyce is the name of the person who runs this show

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and she's having kevin moore joyce it's a little freedom of joy it's a little

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clunky all right come on now come on now a little clunky

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um so she terry joyce is having kevin moore on as a guest

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to discuss uh his documentary about mark richards

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but over the course of it you might start to get the sense that this terry

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joyce just doesn't like carrie cassidy much and

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is excited about the idea of someone attacking her

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okay but that's maybe third or fourth most important in terms of the trends

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you'll see here so here is just the the first clip uh

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just them sort of saying hello having some pleasantries uh welcome to

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the freedom of joy show here on youtube freedom of joyce it will re-air on

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american freedom radio uh today my guest is kevin daniel moore

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uh welcome to the show today thank you thank you so much terry for having me

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on pleasure thank you i'm glad to i'm glad to

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see you in person yeah i know we've talked a little bit um

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on the telephone so you know they've spoken before but

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now they get to meet in person you'll notice that she says

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uh you're listening on youtube and hopefully

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i just wrote literally just wrote hopefully well

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what does hopefully mean it indicates that it's not

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automatic no um it indicates to me that the only place she knows this is going

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to be is on her youtube channel oh yeah so

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that's important to remember for later uh

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as it is now i believe she may have an association with american freedom radio

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which is just a fucking network of shows

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okay yeah it shows that people who have like snowball mics

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and uh yeah yeah and talk about liberty sure

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uh so that's the that's the sort of vibe you get

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so uh in this next clip uh kevin gets into some of the ideas of the

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documentary that he's doing and you know why um

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it's it's offensive to him that uh carrie believes mark richards

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uh is an actual whistleblower because he doesn't get a cut

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and he's been locked away for 36 years for the

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murder of his friend richard baldwin which is richard alexandra baldwin

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along with his crime partner cross and hoover now the thing is

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we as a viewing audience trust kerry castile that she's vetted these people

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do you know i i never ever considered that kerry doesn't bet

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you know the people that she has really as long-term guests

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on her show i mean like yourself and myself maybe you know if someone's

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coming on for an hour what vetting are we gonna do do you

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know what i mean nothing if if there's some inconsistencies in

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the story maybe we'll pick them up in the interview

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you won't but unless it's complete bollocks you know we

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we're there to give the airspace to the people and for them to talk about their

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work so i mean just remember that he's had

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kerry cassidy on his show before he's had joanne richards on his show before

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and so many other fucking weirdos paul craig roberts jerome coursey

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uh space weirdos you've never heard of before their names would mean nothing to

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you if i just listed them off yeah so i mean his is like oh she

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doesn't vet people none of you do yeah in an alternate universe where

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you're what you're saying makes any sense that that is

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wow the name of the game is not vetting people because if you start vetting

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people your whole fucking game is busted yeah

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that's why kerry cassidy will be like when she's attacking

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kevin moore she'll be like he runs a sex shop in amsterdam or whatever instead of

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being like he runs a fucking psychic hotline are

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you kidding me because yeah that's a good point because

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that ruins her con right right right right she can't vet him the way that we can

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because the game is up then do you think that they're vetting people

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i think they like to pretend that they are like with a google search or what

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are we doing here i don't fucking know it's it's nonsensical but everyone knows

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better than to poke uh each other in the places where

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they themselves are vulnerable right and that leads to nobody vetting anybody

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because uh otherwise the entire game collapses it's very collaborative

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but it's it's like a mexican standoff yeah you know it's just

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you know like hey i'll blow up your business if you blow up mine right

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right right and no one's going to do that because it's

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the self self mutual assured destruction

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yeah yeah the whole there's a whole network of people with

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guns basically pointed at each other's heads at all times just like

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hey you fuck this up for any of us you fuck it up for

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all of us yeah that's why the only things that are really

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so almost universal within these communities these paranoid

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uh truth communities is attacking people who have left them yeah you know

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attacking people who've been like i was inside these communities it is

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toxic and awful they're like wow this person got fucking flipped by the cia

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or they make a personal attack that has nothing to do with their

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bullshit scam like he owns a sex shop which is which isn't a personal attack

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but it is some way that she's trying to smear the

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guy he uh he talks about it in this interview

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we're not uh i don't think i have a clip of it but he was talking about how when

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he was younger and he graduated from primary school

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uh he was thinking about setting up a sex toy shop

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in amsterdam but then decided to go to university instead

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and so he never actually followed through with those plans but there are

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like documents you can find from back then

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that would lead one to believe it's still an actual business oh

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so it's not even uh an actual business anymore no

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okay at least according to him i'll take his word

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about his own life over carrie probably he could be lying but i don't see what

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function that serves right like the idea of like covering up a

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sex toy shop that you're admitting you were going to start it doesn't it

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doesn't uh there's no there's no win that doesn't

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track no but what does track amongst many many lies yeah yeah so

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in this next clip i think we get what i'm going to describe

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as the thesis of kevin moore's position and he uses a buzzword that is

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tremendously important and it gets thrown around these uh

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these worlds and alex's world fucking pearl harbor is what he's using

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no that comes up later okay i take what the documentary has done for me

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the word discernment just it's just beaming out at me right now and i want

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that the documentary to be a discerning

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documentary for i want to call it our community the

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community that the the community that i've been a part of

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since 2008 when i first took up radio broadcasting at glomorgan

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university in in wales so discernment discernment

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is a buzzword with these people what is what are they using discernment for

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i mean i think it means the same thing that you are you or i would think it

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means the ability to tell truth from fiction yeah that's what you

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know discerning the reality of like you bring something to me and i use my

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discernment to tell if i believe you or not right but they

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can't and won't and are incapable of doing that so

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how are they even allowed to use the word the version of discernment is so

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based on subjectivity that it's like what

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resonates with your soul that's what's true that's your

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discernment as opposed to it being informed by information

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uh empirical evidence objective reality yeah

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uh raptors not caring for chocolate i know that

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that doesn't resonate how do you know that it doesn't resonate with me my

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discernment tells me that uh they're lactose intolerant they

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can't even have milk chocolate okay i like that i don't know

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where are they doing this interview is this a mall food court what is going on

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here great question i don't know it is loud so many people

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like walking by behind them i think it might be in a library in a

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library i think well that's even worse i think it might be well i mean it would

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be quieter in the library would have to be quieter in the library

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is that a bygone thing library and shushing people i don't know i think so

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do you think anything goes in a library now i i mean well i think

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everybody in the library is just stoked that libraries are still a thing

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yeah you know they're people are walking in and librarians are like i'm still

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valuable you'll put up with a lot more these days at the library

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i'm not sure i couldn't tell from the video

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where it was taking place but it looked like a room

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or a corner of a public building okay of some sort

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um could be a food court i mean 100 right

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could be a library not a private setting they couldn't get the studio space

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because larry was recording his follow-up

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um so in this next clip uh kevin discusses him learning about the pen

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dragon part of mark richard's right uh murder

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which uh if you are if you haven't listened to all of the

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episodes we've done it's uh mark richard's plan to turn marin county

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into his own kingdom uh styled after camelot and it

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literally would have worked if it weren't for those meddling kids

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murdering kids yeah and if he had a laser that was an important that was a

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pretty big important piece yeah that was a problem yeah

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uh so he learns about that and uh well he's telling about his learning of that

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and how that was uh changed for him sure i was also at the

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time uh recording a documentary on

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channeling which is yet to be released again that documentary will be my

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journey and a lot more discerning now i've done this documentary

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discerning so i get there and he shows us links we

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record an interview together and i take these links away back to the

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uk that i'd seen and i was like this is just not right there's a backstory here

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on this guy mark richard so he's talking about getting uh

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contacted by someone after doing his interview with carrie

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and uh like a couple years after doing his interview with joanne

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okay the same guy gets in contact with him and he's like hey man this is

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fucking nonsense and he sends him information about

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the the the trial uh press clippings uh what have you so

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you would say that he probably didn't vet her very well

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oh you you mean uh uh uh his guest kevin didn't vet yeah no no no yeah almost

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almost not probably not a good not good at vetting his guests

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there's a story called pen dragon why isn't this on perry casting's channel

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so um i um i called her and and why don't we

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play back the the audio recording that we did with her

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now because she asked permission to recall that conversation

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i've not released it yet and if you want to put it in this show we can play it

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back now okay so what follows is a half hour

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recorded conversation they just play the whole oh yes

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what on the phone god damn it kevin moore calling carrie cassidy

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and that is what we're going to listen to that they played the whole thing oh

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yeah that can't be real it is it's they're

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taking away my freedom of joyce it's far more in uh interesting uh than

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a freedom of joyce interview certainly i would like to

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do something else um i want to say before we get going

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up to a point i'm totally on carrie's side in this phone call

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that sounds right she is totally right uh about a number of things as well as

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pearl harbor being a false flag she's wrong about that

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prove it my discernment says she's right there's a social dynamic that's going on

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between her and kevin moore even back at this point before he's even

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making the documentary yeah about mark richards

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that she's on the right side of i think and we'll get into that as it goes along

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here is from the call kevin bringing up

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the this information about uh camelot and about uh the pen dragon and it's new

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information to him uh-huh but it's not new information to

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carrie but he doesn't seem to know that he doesn't realize that

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carrie knows all this shit she just doesn't care

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yeah um and so there's a there's a weird dynamic at play there

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wait so he thinks that somebody emailed him out of the blue contacting him

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being like hey this whole this guy is evil and

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no one ever contacted sweary carrie who has spent

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years of her life now on this one yeah of course she knows he

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either thinks that or he's using the appearance of him thinking that

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as cover for trying to shame her for right not covering

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right or something i'm not entirely sure either way it's sort of patronizing

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and uh insulting yeah he's an asshole it does seem

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real asshole ish well yeah what i've been wanting to reach you for

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was um just to let you know about uh a chap that i run into when i was over

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in uh san francisco so i was over at contact

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in the desert and um which i just released my

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interview with yourself and when i was at contact then i then i

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was then this this this chap that uh this chap got in contact with us by by

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audio by the following story uh eventually once we swap numbers and

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everything else to tell me a story about mark this this

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this chap mark richards now initially i did not want to speak to him really

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uh because i didn't want anything to do with it you know what i mean i've just

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i've put my interview with you out and it really had you know it's it's

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really not not my business to be honest with you

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but doing this documentary on channeling

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one thing it's shown me is that i i've shown

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i've had to show discernment just in in discernment quite a bit right

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get that word out your mouth if i'm gonna apply it to that

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then maybe i should apply it to this other you know side as well this ufo

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side that i'm into that raises the question why didn't you

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from the jump why didn't you apply discernment in

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your career uh beforehand seems sloppy you know we all grow

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we all grow and change we all get a word a day calendar and discernment is on

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i don't know may 27th discernment it seems to be the only word on his word of

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the day calendar every day just remember discernment be critical

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so i thought about it and i thought well go on then

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i'll speak to him and i did and it's it was interesting to ask a fucking

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question this guy knew uh knew

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the son of um a guy called baldwin the guy that was this guy that was murdered

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uh in um in in in the in the case of mark richards

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that that's how that's how he didn't he knew the son not

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not the family much but anyway so he's telling me this story

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over the phone and he sends me a couple of links

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and it was just interesting what was in the what the links had to say

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i'd never come across the murder before i thought mark richards was you know

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innocent did you know what i mean like like probably you do

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as well um you thought he was what i'm sorry no i'm saying i thought he was

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innocent she wasn't listening at all when i watched it he is actually

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innocent so that that goes exactly how you kind

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of expect uh kevin moore is a long-winded

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passive-aggressive speaker no kidding and uh carrie zoned out and

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then is like oh yeah he is innocent of course what the fuck are you talking

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about i'm zoning that was like your guy that was like hearing a story from my

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grandma i mean you could sum that that was a two-minute

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clip you could just sum that up in like five seconds yeah

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i got contacted by a guy who knows the victim's

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uh son and he had some information that i found really troubling would you like

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to hear more about it yeah boom not hard no but is you know

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and uh i got in touch with the guy we had

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originally on the phone and then we exchanged numbers and then i talked to

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him i didn't know if i was going to talk to him but then we talked and he had

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pieces of paper didn't need to know any of that that's passive-aggressive

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that is a way of that's kind of needling a little bit yeah

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yeah in uh in terms of how you're conveying your information

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so uh in this next uh clip he gets to the the actual uh the the pen dragon of

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it all and uh carrie doesn't care

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at all it's it's i i admire this response

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to an extent piffle it was actually a bit of a

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little famous case because this guy was a complete nutcase

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uh mark was in some respects because rude he wanted to set this

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um this new camera up in in the golden gate

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area um i know it sounds crazy what i'm saying to you but

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again reading the court documents you're assuming that i know nothing about the

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case when i've done a lot of investigation

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so i know all about that and actually he wasn't in that

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and he wasn't doing that and the whole thing was manufactured

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but it's you know i understand the perspective out there and i understand

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the links and the things you've read so what is the you know i guess kind of

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wanting you to cut to the chase because i don't have

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i don't have a lot of time i'm packing so if you could what new information was

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this person trying to provide well i never knew about if you knew about

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these links before i don't think you you that's not like out there as those

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these links are out there and people can just find them most people go along with

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the story that you that that that mark rich is telling you

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most people don't know about the opposing 22 links or 23 links as i'm

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telling you that they won't know about it's all you have to do is do a search

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on the web you can find this stuff i don't think most people are doing those

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searches they'll just take it as that's their business i mean that happens with

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everything i release they'll they'll take that you can say

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what people investigate what they take i i i know it's dead easy to put a

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search term into google and search your search sure sure

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i i i was one of those people that wouldn't have done that i don't think i

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don't know why i just i was because you're an idiot you know just not

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something you do because you're fucking stupid that's why i just blindly accept

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things that are said to me and i don't look into them at all yet i

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view myself as a pillar of truth i don't know why that's the case but

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anyway i think carrie it's your responsibility to tell every angle of

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you the stories and like look of course i 100 disagree

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with what carrie believes and i think that there's probably a

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curdle of danger too but she's right about this social

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interaction 100 hey hey dick that's not my job cut to

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the chase well also it's i'm running a

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fucking secret space program media operation

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it's not in my interests to try and debunk my own guests

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if other people want to do that the information is out there

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why would i direct them to it i know about all that stuff

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i've chosen not to believe it fuck is wrong with you asshole yep

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the reveal that he's like oh i'm just one of those people who would never

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put it into a cursory google search yeah and that is a damning thing to hear

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coming from someone who had mark richard's wife on his show yeah that

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implies that he didn't do a google search

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then nope because this information was out then like

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when he had uh joanne on this information has been out since he

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murdered the guy yeah there have been uh press clippings

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available all over the internet uh so what i get from this is just

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just i i mean at a certain point i think it goes bad for carrie uh but

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up till this point in in this beginning of it i'm

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if she just hung up i would have been like kevin you shouldn't have put that

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out yeah you look like a dick yeah and she

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looks like someone who just has her space and she's protecting her

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space like what what's wrong from the first from the

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first question that's like the first question

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uh which i i can't believe that it took seven minutes to ask that question yeah

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well he's he's a little bit of uh i don't know how to describe it he's just

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a bad talker i mean that's that's not even a passive aggressive question

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that is clearly a question that is an accusation it is like hey

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you don't know about this that your guy is and well that's the first accusation

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and then once he knows that she does know about it then it is like you're a

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cut you're covering this up yeah and she very well may be covering it up

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but it's not like she has the ability to actually cover

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anything up right right she's just not reporting that google search yeah so

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as she points out to you yeah so in this next clip

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it gets a little bit more contentious and i think i'm still on carrie's side

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let's see he was so out there anyway in the

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original court case you know talking about mark yeah you know he had

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this he wanted to be the new king arthur and such and

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put put this name yeah this is not accurate but nonetheless whatever well

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well okay this is an intelligence agency operation and that could be whatever

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details they decided that that could be the truth but

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what if that wasn't the truth and the opposite was true have you considered

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that anyone can entertain both sides of the

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story you know but i i what i'm saying i'm you know kevin i'm

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trying to cut to the chase here are you bringing me

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new information are you just saying go look at those links i've already done

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that so this is that would be the end of this conversation

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if you have new information if that guy has new information

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then what is the new information well i obviously i didn't know you knew about

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that so you know about those links right right right for god's sake i'm an

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investigative reporter you know i'm interviewing some guy

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eight times they go to the trouble to go to prison

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i mean you know give me a little credit here you know i do

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investigate my people and their sources etc

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so you know i do as much due diligence as i find necessary

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and yes of course i've investigated the case i think that you and i would

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probably have a different definition of due diligence that's necessary

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yes 100 but whatever he's doing is just rude

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well what he's doing is also tacitly admitting that he

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doesn't do any investigative uh shit at all

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well i mean that keeps coming up like if he's if he's asking her that question

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that's because he assumes that she wouldn't know this that

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she wouldn't have looked into him at all meaning that he assumes that because he

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doesn't do it or he's trying to pass off the

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responsibility onto his guests uh of his own preparation

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yeah like the idea of like okay so i had joanne richards on

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it's on her to have researched her husband so if she's coming on and she's

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wrong then i'm not really wrong for talking to her

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the same way i have carrie on and whatever she's saying she has the

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responsibility of figuring out if her guests are legitimate or not

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right that's not good enough so that's almost cowardly incompetence

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yeah i would i would describe uh things i've

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seen of him as that yeah so uh carrie again tries to get down to

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business and be like hey do you got any new information

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uh because this is old news i'm packing yeah you know making a call to

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me you're claiming this guy calls you it did

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the guy call you just to direct you to some investigation that you could do on

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your own that you know any regular person can

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just do or did he give you new information no

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well i never knew about any of this so to me it was new information to me i

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get that i do too yeah i get that i'm your mind's

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being blown by things i already know and have decided not to

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care about yeah i'm i'm uh you're you're right i'm

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really on sweary carrie's side this that's how much of a piece of shit that

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guy is it does seem that way he is such an asshole and carrie uh

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seems to be trying to end this conversation because it has run its

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course yeah it's like this guy called me he has

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this information that i found to be uh new i thought it was interesting and

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added a layer to this story that you're not covering on your show oh i know

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about that i just think it's bullshit okay take care cool that's where it

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should end you want to get uh coffee sometime i don't know we're

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both scamming and that's why i think carrie gets insanely frustrated with him

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yeah and just and she kind of then crosses into like oh

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this this sucks i i i do feel like there's

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she ends this poorly yeah but it comes from

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a frustration that is very understandable absolutely she's not

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wrong about socially this is fucked up behavior do

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you know he reminds me so much of uh the energy vampire from what we do in the

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shadows the effect of this show uh it is such like

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that guy in the office just going in there just being like

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and uh yeah so um have you ever seen that uh tv show i can't remember

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the name of the tv show uh it's the one that has that guy in it have you ever

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seen that tv show i haven't seen the tv show that

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you're referencing or the character is referencing

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okay well let me talk about a different tv show then

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yeah and then you stab him to death or you you should just be hang up

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yeah exactly hang up she's got to go to barcelona but you can't escape

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so uh i think because kevin won't let go of it and just be satisfied with the

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answer that yeah i've looked into this yeah i don't

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care yeah um he carrie just has to get into attack

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mode and uh the first thing she does is suggest

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that this guy who contacted kevin is up to no good of

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course for the purposes of this phone call i

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guess what you're doing is you're letting me know that you've done an

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interview with some guy who knew the son of the guy that was

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murdered is that correct uh that that's exactly who he was yeah

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okay fine so he's not exactly that close to the situation not at all and

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he's also somebody who's coming forward years

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later to set to suddenly try to contact you

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now it's interesting that he's trying to contact you and you said you interviewed

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joanne and he did the same thing then so uh then you have to ask yourself is

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this guy a paid informant is he working for the cia you know i

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mean uh there's all kinds of reasons why a person comes forward in

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this way to try to bring a journalist such as

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yourself into one direction or another really

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you can believe him and it's fine if you did an interview

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um you know i guess thanks for letting me know if it

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now not that it matters too terribly much to me but you know if you think i'm

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going to change my point of view because this guy is suddenly

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coming forward to say look at these links absolutely out there for 20 years

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or 30 years uh you know absolutely it's not important no no absolutely you

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cannot you cannot just judge a story just on

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one person's angle that that's so i i even though that's a little bit

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stupid just being like well i mean you gotta ask if this guy's the cia

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wait that's a little bit overly paranoid maybe at the same time carrie is coming

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in with a position of like hey you talk to this guy if you want to believe him

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that's fine yeah there's not any kind of desire to

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convince him really of her correctness in the

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position it's sort of like yeah believe it or the fuck you want to believe i

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don't give a shit i got to go to barcelona

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yeah i uh you know how great spain is this time of year i find the only issue

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being that she called him a journalist that's a problem other than that i think

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she's still shooting fire and that she's really

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wrong yeah but who cares yeah in the same way

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she doesn't care if uh if kevin believes this guy who

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contacted her i don't particularly care if she decides to believe

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mark richards yeah this phone call should be over unless he

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unless he's got like okay cool now that we've got that question out of the way

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what exactly was mark richards doing at this time

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tell me about that so i can refute it later on that's a whole different thing

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he was in space okay cool i will tell people that then okay it was great

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meeting you click so uh instead of that resolution

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to the call kevin stammers some more and great then carrie gets a little bit

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aggressive on him let me ask you this kevin because

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obviously this guy had nothing new to add no

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um have you ever investigated a false flag

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no just wait one second have you ever investigated a false flag

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do you know what i mean when i say a false flag i know what you mean by a

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false flag yeah i'm a psychic i know what you mean okay

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have you ever tried to investigate one well let me ask you this would you put

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these links out in a new video just to say look guys

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here's the here's the here's this case no because i don't

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no that's not what i do i have no interest in that i mean i'm not a

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reporter trying to investigate his murder case

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but then if i was covering this if i was covering the mark richard stuff like you

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have done you did and if someone else came to me

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with it well you knew about the links before you knew about the 23 plus links

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online anyway right in the public domain you can investigate

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why would you want why won't you just have the opposing there

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in the middle to say look here's here's what he's saying no

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actually that's not that's not what my job is i mean everyone

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does what they want to do about these things my job is and

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our discussions are not about a murder for which he was framed

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uh over 30 years ago i i mean she's wrong

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obviously yeah but it isn't her job no she's right

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what does he put links to why uh uh fucking channeling is bullshit under all

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of his videos what are you talking about you idiot yeah

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it's it's the it's such hypocritical expectations of another con person yeah

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for sure and you know whatever i i i wish they

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would all get right with the story or whatever

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probably it would be nice if everybody had uh a more rigid

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sense of uh intellectual honesty we'd live in a better world

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right i would love it if carrie instead like with the access that she has to

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mark richards actually took the story seriously

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and uh you know told the fullness of it yeah

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but i don't think that's her job either nope

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i don't know what her job actually it's entertaining

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isn't it just yeah isn't it just being a space weirdo the only thing that's

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dangerous about it at all is people thinking it's real

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right and a lot of people do but there's going to be people who believe

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crazy stuff is real all the time yeah it's she's just you

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yeah one in the uh large family of people who are

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uh tricking people with entertainment and so is fucking kevin yeah i would

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prefer if people are going to believe weird

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bullshit i would prefer if uh every infowars fan who believes that

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weird bullshit would go over to sweary carrie and believe that

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bullshit i think that's slightly less damaging probably there's a lot of

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overlap as we've seen yeah but uh it would i would say carrie is

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by degrees less uh dangerous if the rallying cry was not they're

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going to take our guns and more the raptors are coming i'm i'm i'm

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the raptors are coming is a good thing right right well the reptoids are

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fighting them right yeah but the raptors are coming to help us with the reptoids

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yeah but and the mantids and spider leadership

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yes so uh as you asked what was the uh what's

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what happened why uh isn't mark guilty of course he was

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off planet that as carrie explains in this clip and also i think this clip is

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kind of where i turn the corner on like i don't want to defend her anymore okay

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i still think he's being rude to her but i lose all interest in defending her

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after this well he's in my view he's completely

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innocent he was off the planet when the fucking

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murder happens if that's the truth if that's the truth

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if you don't understand i mean i i have so much

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evidence of of the way this this works do you have you ever looked at obama's

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birth certificate oh no really got to get a grip

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this is a whole different way of looking at reality

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the false flags the reason i asked you about false flags is

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that if you investigate false flags you begin to go down a rabbit hole which is

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unbelievable of people who are lying about people

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killing being killed i mean listen to my interviews with james

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fetzer ask yourself why youtube doesn't want those interviews

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out there in the public they've deleted them off my site

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he's he's an ex-marine he's a tenured professor

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uh for zillions of years he's written over 10 books

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he's a heavy duty investigator a very respectable man

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and he investigates in minutia every false flag that has happened in

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the united states he's he's obsessed with it and so

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what you really have to do is look at the false flag start to see

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how evidence can be manufactured by the secret government by law

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enforcement under orders from higher ups etc and disappeared etc you

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really have to go down that road it's a fascinating journey and i

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encourage you to take it i don't have time right now to educate

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you as to all the steps but i can encourage you to watch my

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james fetzer interview which is no longer on youtube

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it is now on steam it and also on um what is this called bit shoot

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bit shoot is a place where people who get thrown off other social medias end

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up putting videos i like that she didn't even

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know that this was going to be played on another show no and she still got a

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plug-in yeah that's good shit and you know what

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that's professional behavior this is being played on kevin's channel

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and on uh freedom of joyce and i'm certain we

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have more listeners than both combined which makes me feel a little bit

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awkward about this you know yeah yeah carrie has more listeners than us

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probably so there we go but these two i think no uh i think they uh it's

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minuscule comparatively but at the same time it's a continuation of a storyline

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so i feel bad punching down but in this case it's kind of an it's gotta go it's

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gotta go so now in that last clip we see the

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difference between uh or the point at which where that

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uh defense goes away what i'm talking about is the defense of like yeah carrie

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it's not her job to say that mark was a murderer uh and is making all

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this up yeah it's not her job she's telling a

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story all this like and i could kind of see it there

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i think i would probably feel differently if there was any chance

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mark was gonna get out of prison yeah i think i would feel very differently for

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sure because then i'd be like oh he's gonna

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start a cult that actually could get some traction uh oh yeah but

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since he's locked up it's kind of just you know bull it's sci-fi novels that

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people are are internalizing as real now the

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flip side of that and where that logic goes astray

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is james fitzer jim fitzer uh carrie does have a responsibility to

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point out one of the things that he thinks is a false flag

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and that is the holocaust

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oh so when ouch when she's talking about

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like he's a great scholar and like all right

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but you do like that is where you do have a responsibility

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i think a little bit so fetzer is a really interesting clue

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like uh as we already know now why but it's a

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clue as to how bad carrie actually is uh i think it's a rosetta stone that

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you can use to translate um oh so that's why those videos were

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taken down is because he's a holocaust denier yeah

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okay that's that's good she should have put that in the why did they not wonder

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yeah yeah that one that one would have been nice so his case is actually really

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interesting because in the early 2000s fetzer was a very

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popular conspiracy theorist he was an actual professor and because

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of that standing his arguments about jfk and 9 11 were immediately elevated and

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given the appearance of credibility his work was shit and most of it was

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entirely debunked and the rest of the stuff that isn't debunked is just the

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stuff that's too absurd to even debunk like

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the idea is that 9 11 was done with super powered lasers i like it though

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but even so even despite all of his work being shit he achieved a celebrity

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status in conspiracy worlds and was a bit like it was the toast to the town

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he's a holocaust denying hamamoto well but here's the thing

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something happened and he went full holocaust denier

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along the road he wasn't initially yeah when he was putting out these theories

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about 9 11 and jfk he was coming at it from a

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perspective of entering the conspiracy world um it's

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unclear exactly why he decided to go in the holocaust denial direction

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but some have suggested that it was the natural conclusion to the path he was on

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fetzer's career was characterized by severely uncritical readings of primary

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sources and a nearly pathological drive towards

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sensationalism he never cared too much about academic

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rigor and was constantly chasing the high of making claims that got him

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attention it feels like it might have only been a

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matter of time until he realized that denying the holocaust would

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perhaps be the most sensational thing he could do

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and there was plenty of bad information he could misread to defend his claims

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yeah that's that's pretty much top of the list in terms of

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wild out there claims that will get you you know

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there's no going up a lot of attention yeah bad attention yeah

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but it's a lot what is it what else can you deny or call a false flag that's

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bigger than the holocaust well i mean he did write the book no one died at sandy

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hook also so that's uh you know that got him a

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lot of attention yeah that's troublesome so on may 21st 2013 jim fetzer gave a

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speech in an event at madison wisconsin hosted by jazz musician

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gilad atzmon where he came out publicly as a holocaust denier

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this makes sense because atzmon believes that the narrative the holocaust

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is a religion for socialist jews who are trying to use the religion to create a

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new world order okay that might be troublesome in 2017

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atzmon put out a book that argued that hitler will be vindicated by history

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uh the book has been described by a united kingdom jewish watchdog group as

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quote quite possibly the most anti-semitic

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book published in this country in recent years

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that's an accomplishment though sure you gotta give them that you gotta give it

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up to the somali pirates you gotta give it up

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so anyway fetzer likes to hang out with that guy and he gave a speech at his

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event where he decided to argue publicly for the first time

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in his career that the holocaust was a false flag i love that it's put on by a

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jazz music so it gives this like hey with the

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holocaust never happened all right we're gonna play some miles davis over here

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so in 2015 fetzer started publicly supporting the paul mccartney is dead

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conspiracy theory uh that same year he released a book

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called uh quote and i suppose we didn't go to the moon

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either subtitled the beetles the holocaust and other mass illusions

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yikes that is a fucking title yeah that is uh man that is a title one

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review of the book said it is quote poorly researched and

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badly edited which i believe yeah yeah i believe that

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but you know that suggests that he's he can turn a phrase

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yeah and this is where we get to learn something about carrie cassidy that

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changes my tune on pretty much all of this

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after fetzer started denying the holocaust he wasn't really as hot an

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item in conspiracy circles anymore surprise

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it really says a lot about someone if they're still interested in interviewing

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jim fetzer in the present day jim fetzer has been on project camelot as

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recently as october 19th 2018 where he did a two-part episode about

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how christine blasey ford was engaged in a psy-op against brad kavanagh

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which is suspiciously exactly what alex jones believes

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so i've been defending carrie to a certain extent

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and uh mostly because i think kevin moore is a dick

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he's being a dick to her yeah um but the same

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things i'm defending her for there is a bad version

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of the same behavior right right right um and i think it's important to

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recognize that uh yeah you gotta you gotta you gotta

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look at things on a sliding scale with people like this

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yeah no they're like not telling people that mark richards is a murderer

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is kind of funny it's kind of funny in terms of lack of integrity yeah

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not telling people that james fetzer is a holocaust denier

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is irresponsible and dangerous in terms of

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academic dishonesty yeah intellectual dishonesty that kind of raises a

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you know we've we've always known she's got some uh solid anti-semitism

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going on a little bit but having the holocaust denier on there kind of raises

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that up to a larger red flag for me and also uh you

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know uh what do you we call it sweeping it

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under the rug you know not uh you know not addressing it yeah this

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is this is one of those you know i got no heroes here and it's

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fun to let them slap fight but uh you know yeah it's like i can say you

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both suck but uh i can still even if i don't like

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either of them say you're being a dick to the person i

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don't like yeah i suppose maybe my largest issue

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is how uh awful he is at talking he's pretty bad

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don't want to talk to him no so uh in this next clip carrie uh just outright

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tells uh mark not mark uh carrie outright tells kevin that uh

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this information that you're coming to me uh with i know all about it and it's

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bullshit dear kevin shut the fuck up uh evidence that you see in front of you

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that these people think they're giving you and so and so

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it doesn't it's your choice you know you have to rely on your intuition you have

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a freedom of choice in your ability to investigate

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and if you think that i should be putting those links on my website i

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appreciate your opinion but i'm not doing it okay because i

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think it's bullshit nice and i think that's fair too i think it

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is i think she's right yeah like i don't

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again i do think that the motivation largely comes from a preservation

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standpoint of like well my narrative would be completely

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destroyed if everyone believed that he was a murderer

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uh and just making all this shit up and tricking me um

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yeah i'm not going to post this stuff i don't have to yeah

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i don't know i just it it's it's a weird dynamic at play

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because it's yeah she's not going to be able to

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weave in oh i was wrong about him murdering somebody but he's still right

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about everything else yeah you know that's carrying too much

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weight yeah uh the he was off planet on a secret space program mission because

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you know it's established that he's lying about that then it

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calls into question his uh integrity about all other space really anything

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yeah um so in this next clip uh kaley makes

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probably the worst defense of mark she could uh possibly make

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the holocaust didn't happen that's her friend

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the murder happened right so who did who did who did kill him

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and claimed that i masterminded it how can i how can i counter that

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seriously but it's a method of the mind you're talking about a man who didn't

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come with any kind of instrument show up on

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the scene or anything he was supposed to have masterminded

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that is a mental did david caresh mastermind

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you know uh whatever that was uh called i guess no

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waco you know do are these people responsible

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it's it's yeah you know did jesus persuade people of things

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or did he verbally get you know did you record his voice

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do you did he actually write in the bible those words well we don't know

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any of that but we're talking about this this is what we're talking about

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think about it you know you're talking about

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it's basically when you reduce it all down it's fucking word of mouth

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there's nothing that can prove it wow i mean that's a little bit not not fair

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it's word of mouth yeah it's also word of mouth that uh mark uh is everything

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word of mouth then well i guess so yeah it has to be if that's uh if your

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argument is david caresh didn't have anything to do with waco

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and fucking jesus wasn't real well i don't know if she was saying that jesus

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wasn't real i was saying i think she's more saying that jesus didn't actually

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persuade anybody of anything it wasn't a mastermind

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yeah i guess i um if you take that standard to uh and sort of

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universalize it everything on her show is word of mouth

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were you there on the moon uh word of mouth yeah yeah are you going

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to indiana tonight to do a show who knows i'm worried about i'm not

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going to be there well i don't know if you're going to be

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i don't know you might just be fucking trying to get out of plans we didn't

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have tonight well then you are a very discerning

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fellow discernment so the claim is that uh

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actually what's going on here is there's a straw man in play

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and that is that carrie has taken the mastermind

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idea of uh mark masterminded this murder and turned it into he was mind

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controlling these 17 year olds into doing his bidding

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yeah because that's an easier thing to argue against than

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planning he paid them he promised them a car she just doesn't

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understand the definition of the word mastermind

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yeah it takes on uh superheroic connotations to her and because of

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that she attacks that mastermind idea by blaming

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uh potential other people who might have mind controlled crossy hoover uh and

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it's the nazis professor x gene gray any number of these

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it's the nazis oh okay you cannot prove that those 17 year olds were

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brain controlled by him who else could brain control and

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and who's but very likely to mind control people

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well hello the nazis well hello the people that took over mind control

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technology from the nazis which is the secret government well

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hello he had this idea which is an individual or is it the

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state you know you put your allegiance with

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the state in this conversation certainly and you

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know all i'm saying to you is that's not my

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point of view i see way beyond that and i've got

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i've got proofs for so many years and you know it's just ridiculous

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uh a little condescending there i'm way beyond that

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at the same time though i mean she she swung me a little bit with like

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you're just talking for the state yeah i know

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my anti-establishment uh anti-authority bone has been uh has been triggered the

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same thing i was like yeah man he's talking about oh shit

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right damn it but that's how this stuff works

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that's how the manipulation works uh so this next clip uh carrie is really

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condescending and then he he called her out of the blue

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she doesn't need to have this argument i'm not judging the condescension

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because i think he deserves it yeah but at the same time she should have

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hung up she can just stop at any time there's no reason this call needed to be

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like half an hour long it's absurd that it is

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and it just gets to her being rude to him

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but one of the things she's rude about is so fucking awesome

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um you have to put your mic down for this next clip because it's kind of

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subtle but in the middle of it carrie

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complains about the lighting in the interview that she did with

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kevin moore because she did that interview and she's like uh

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she complains about the visual of the interview

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and twice kevin mutters in self-defense okay but it's kind of low

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okay so just listen for that all right all right it uh made me laugh so hard

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all i can tell you is look at obama's birth certificate

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and ask yourself that fucking guy was president of the united states

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and the lies are just so plentiful it's unbelievable

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so you know get a grip this is the reality we live in

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you know i didn't create it but i can tell you that if you want to believe the

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evidence that this man is showing you that's

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already very much in the public domain and has been for

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30 god year god knows how many years um you know

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do so it's all right if you want to put on your website if you want to put all

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the links for people you you've done an interview with me

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which is not very nice because it was visually

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horrible but aside from that you know i think my information was good and clear

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i mean people i don't encourage people to think

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it wasn't visually horrible i want them to think for themselves

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but i'm not on the other hand i am not going to become

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you know a worker for the state and post their bullshit

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i'm not going on to mainstream news and post their lies

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i mean i'll post what i feel is the closest thing to the truth and allow

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people to decide for themselves if it wasn't coming from her i think

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that that's a good position that was borderline a saint christmas day speech

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for me that was that was like hell yeah i'm not going

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into the fucking state i'm gonna do whatever needs to be done if you

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knew nothing about carrie cassidy you'd be like

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yeah yeah man yeah let's fucking do that the mainstream media

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all their lies you hear that sort of stuff and you're like

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yeah i'm into this you go to her channel it's like oh here's a holocaust denier

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oh here's somebody talking about trouble aliens

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troubles oh here's people talking about fighting beatles in vietnam

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you know it would have been a very different speech that patin had given

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if he started with and also the president's birth certificate is fake

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anyways let's go fight world war ii guys come on but man

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i think it's so funny how sort of cow cowed he is yeah like it was

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visually awful it wasn't bad stop it

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my interview was good we are mean

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that is this oh it's so funny too because carrie

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like visually her videos are just garbage they're just

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like kind of grainy skype calls it's like he he had cameras yeah

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this is like this is not what this is not the pot calling the

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kettle black this is watching the pot and the kettle stare each other down

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like this is crazy so uh at this point uh you get kevin talking about the the

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pen dragon of it and the idea that mark had

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intended to set up a new camelot and carrie realizes

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there's a lot of times people have used the word camelot why don't i yell about

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it for a little while okay all right okay and then at the end of

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her yelling she revealed something about her former

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partner in project camelot uh bill ryan uh-huh who is no longer with

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the operation he is apparently dead now he's like fled to ecuador or

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something like that oh that's nice he's in some like uh central south american

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country i don't really i don't i don't know what he's up to but

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he seems like he doesn't like what's going on

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with uh carrie much and he's not into mark richards

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okay so of course he has that going for him yeah yeah he's got to be

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he's got to be got if uh you're not into mark richards but she

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she's not talking negatively about him here oh she knows better than that he

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knows too much okay uh but this is this is weird

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you know he did talk about he wanted um to isolate

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a part of marine county and transform it into the

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into the model of camelot i mean you know

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i don't know that sounds kind of benign to me what's the model of camelot i mean

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you know what kennedy and jackie were known for for

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return it the return to camelot so what are you gonna do about that so so

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of something too well well no well no they've not murdered anyone

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yeah what do you want to confuse me of i i as far as you know people could say

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i'm fucking crazy i think i'm the reincarnation of guinevere what are you

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going to do about that i sound fucking crazy i can tell you that

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that bill ryan comes from the arthur arthurian blood line according to

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illuminati that we've got proof of that okay you

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know he's o negative what do you want to do with that information you want to say

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we're crazy is he really a descendant of the arthurian

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bloodline he's been told by several psychics he is you know that's my

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intuitive take he doesn't claim it he doesn't even like

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hearing that but you know what do you want to do with this stuff it sounds

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outlandish it sounds like we're all fucking crazy

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and if you want to come to that conclusion you're very welcome to do so

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now kevin was trying to make a pretty good point and that is like all right

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bill ryan thinks he's descended from king arthur he hasn't murdered anybody

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which is kind of the crux of the conversation i really love a good

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what do you think about that huh yeah i'm a i'm swear he had a had a couple of

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those moments here here are the places that camelot has come up yeah

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canadies what do you think about what do you think about that my show is called

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project camelot bill ryan had psychics tell him he's

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descended from king arthur who never existed how about you go into a trance

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and tell me about your arthurian bullshit he's o negative

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right cool cool good arguments all around like the

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o negative i'm a big fan yeah well there's that uh that bam typo

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negative yeah what do you do about that oh you got me

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um so in this next clip uh kevin is talking about

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going to this conference called contact in the desert

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and he's not talking about going there and realizing mark is full of shit or

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anything like that he's just bringing it up almost in a

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way as to say like i went to this conference and i got a little bit

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disillusioned with the the ufo community but carrie

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thinks that someone poisoned his mind against

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mark richards there the contact in the desert gotcha and

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so she turns on uh contact in the desert in a

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a heel turn for the ages you know i think i think there's i think there's

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truth out that this is my take on it right now

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especially after being at contact an alien con there's truth out there you

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know contact in the desert is a fucking can of worms

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a lot of those people are mind controlled they're lying through their

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teeth they're not being honest uh and i can

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tell i can go right down the list of speakers and tell you who's lying

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i was not i mean you know yeah if you're using that as a reference no no no

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no i'm just not no i i i'm sorry no i was

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i you know i was going to say to you that that going through these places

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there's about 20 of truth if that the if that and 80

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bollocks if that 20 is true um yeah

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um i i i think there's so much disinformation in the ufo field

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so much it's it's it's ripped apart by disinformation

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ripped apart yeah it certainly is um i would say

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you gotta throw the baby out with the bath water uh when it's an 80 20

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bullshit ratio you think so i think so uh probably a good idea to

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start from scratch and see if you can get it at least up to 50 50

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hold yourself responsible then for creating spaces wherein you don't let

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the bullshit in because if if that 20 is so real

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and so valuable and you know what i'm sure there are

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some ghost alien researchers who aren't uh wacky nonsense maybe

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i'm willing to believe that such a person exists

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i've yet to see them right um in an infinite universe yes all things are

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possible right but if that person does exist then

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it behooves them to preserve that 20 by harshly excluding the 80 of liars

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you have to because if you don't those 80 are going to thrive

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and you know what they do they support each other by helping protect each

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other's cons the same thing the same dynamic we're

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talking about about not vetting your guests

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is what those 80 do to make sure that they remain the 80 percent

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in that space for sure of liars and by the way it's 99

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or 100 it's it's pretty much 100 it's pretty much 100 it's shit yeah

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i'm and you know what else you're you you're behooved to do

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exactly what kevin is doing uh about mark richards

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but also about yourself yeah if you're yeah that's the problem

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what he's doing is a new con it's a new hustle

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he's trying to create legitimacy for his discernment

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about his channeling and his own business by putting a feather in his cap

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of taking out mark richards yeah it's uh it's disgraceful

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it it's yeah it is it does seem like a

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cannibalistic exercise that he's going through you know he's

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100 willing to he's willing to take the risk

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of uh you know eating himself by uh you know by

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attacking uh carrie but in order to try and take

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over her market share he won't though no because no one other

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than us is even paying attention to this bullshit of course not

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the the the possibility that his documentary could be seen

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outside of the like space interested community

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these worlds is it seems low yeah it's about the possibility of me getting a

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half hour on netflix

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i don't think that he has much to worry about in those communities

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like with him uh going after mark richards and then people going wait a

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second you run a psychic hotline yeah no one's going to make that trade

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because the only people paying attention are within the community

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uh already and they already believe the other stuff

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yeah there's not there aren't people uh externally

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looking into this stuff because it's it's so subterranean it's not

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it's so far outside of what most normal people pay attention to

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yeah for sure so these cons get to flourish

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and uh i don't know it's a it's a little bit of a bummer but

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yeah it makes for more fun for us i'm i'm a little bit put off by this entire

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conversation now because now it seems like carrie is full-on

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bullying him you know and and really like trying to

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steamroll over him well but you have to consider that she's

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been putting up with this for like 20 minutes on the line and and like

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within the first five or so she was like if you don't have new information this

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conversation isn't really you know it's we don't have anything

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else to talk about so i i i understand why she would

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steamroll him for sure because she's sick of the

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bullshit and she can't she can't attack him in a way that

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would be useful right and i also find him to be

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manipulating and goading her into this bullshit so

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i don't like like it was fun whenever sweary was

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was doing just great and now it seems like he's

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he's putting these little needles in everywhere he can

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he's trying to goad her into screaming and it's this

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it's that manipulative bullshit of somebody who's

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who's like yeah it's it seems like that could be subconsciously what he's doing

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but i also just think that he doesn't i don't know it seems like a lack of

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awareness on his part of like i do believe that

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there's a possibility that he's just wired in such a way that he doesn't

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think that carrie knows all this stuff and he thinks he's bringing her new

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information yeah and then when it's like oh no i already know all this stuff it's

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all bullshit he doesn't know where to go with it and

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doesn't want to sound like an idiot on the phone so he's trying to find

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different ways to bring up the same information

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and carrie's sick of it it's just like do you fucking know about false flags

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asshole do you know about this stuff oh sure he

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was trying to start camelot my show's called project camelot

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bill ryan has arthur's blood that was a bit of an escalation yeah

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but that kind of makes sense in terms of a phone call you don't want to be on

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yeah like i i get i get where you're coming from but i think it could all be

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uh him being uh a poor communicator uh out of his depth

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in terms of communicating with someone who's like

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she's done this before someone's called her a liar before

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yeah but at the same time he's purposefully recording this

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but so is she oh she's recording it too yeah she brings up

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like three minutes in or so she's like i'm gonna record this so they're both

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recording it i think that's what makes it legal for

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him to play it oh okay what are these people doing i don't know

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but i think i think it's probably smart for carrie to have done that

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just as a self-defense kind of thing yeah for sure because this guy's a

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manipulative piece of shit but she didn't know that back then but once it

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became a thing where he was bringing up stuff about mark richards

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it seemed it seems like it would have been a wise decision just in case he

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could edit something or you know have your own version of it for sure

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so in this next clip uh kevin tries to pretend that when he had

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uh joanne on the show he was skeptical i think some of the things he mentioned

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talks about that i think when i interviewed joanna about years ago i mean

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many moons ago i just thought god this is so far-fetched some of this stuff

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no that is not at all how he comported himself he was helping her

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uh make the narratives he established on his own without

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her helping at all that mark was off planet yep when the murder happened he

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was an active participant in the far-fetchedness of it the very

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first question i believe was like everything that you say is true tell me

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a little bit more about that basically yeah yeah that's nonsense so at the end

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of the interview if you can call it that phone call

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annoyance yeah uh kevin just kind of gives up on what

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he's trying to do because i think he realizes i've hit a brick wall uh

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there's no real point here i should have hung up a long time ago this is rude of

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me to have continued and carrie's just like i don't really

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care what you do yeah which is fair your small potatoes i

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don't think it's that yeah i think it's i think it is a

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secureness in her established delusion you know

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like i know that i know whatever information you're going to throw at me

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i've decided what i believe now you decide what you believe let's

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live our lives i don't care what you do yeah that's fair but like i said i know

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i never went to him this guy came to me it wasn't like i was even

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looking at this but it was just interesting yeah i get it you know

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i mean you don't have to let me know what you're going to do just do whatever

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you do it doesn't matter to me you know to be honest i mean

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it doesn't i mean you can do what you do you're an

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independent agent and uh if you want to let joanne know that

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you know as a journalist you're going to do

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something you know whatever that's fine too i mean you have contact

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with her i'm sure if you don't if you need her email address i'll send it to

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you but that's you know i mean it's it's

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really neither here nor there what you've said to me

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in this conversation because it's not anything i'm not aware of

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and have dealt with not just to do with this case but so many others

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it's unbelievable right okay all right and they say farewell

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and i would say outside of defending a holocaust denier

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i don't think that carrie did any like i i i

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support pretty much her entire position yeah

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except for and it's a big except that is it's a big caveat right right

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defending a holocaust denier is tough for me to get over yeah i don't think i

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can but in terms of social dynamics carrie

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was well within her right to be rude and swear at him

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uh and all that he's being a dick oh yeah absolutely

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and him playing this on terry uh joyce's show

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is doubling down yeah it's also being a dick yeah now

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at the same time carrie's being a dick to him in the present day

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by having that uh weirdo follow him around and

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uh do a quote-unquote investigation about him

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and call him a pedophile yeah like she's way out of line too

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so i i i got no one's back i like the exception of her being rude to

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him totally on the phone on the phone yeah

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on the phone um i let's see i'm rooting for

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you know what i'm gonna root for carrie on this one i want her to win

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and then i want her to be eaten alive by somebody else i'm gonna root i mean her

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show i'm gonna root for some sort of government regulation on propaganda

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no maybe not maybe not well i think that would be too

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easy to spiral out of control into like suppressing all speech

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yeah uh yeah i i'm rooting for all of them

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to just have some actual exposure of like what they put out into the world

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yeah because we need are you rooting for some

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sort of ironic uh punishment we need kevin's documentary being made

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by not him yeah that's what you need yeah and you

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need a documentary about project camelot being made by someone

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who isn't also a fucking channeler yeah like someone who doesn't have to protect

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the business someone who can actually be like this

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is how the sausage is made or a bunch of dicks someone who doesn't

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uh get a channel a fucking ghost and then have

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that ghost tell him how great he is right his own voice he doesn't have to

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do a character you don't have to modulate your voice

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because you are such a good boy so now it's interesting that you bring

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that up the channeling portion because we get back to

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terry joyce and his interview uh they come back

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after playing the tape and there's a lot of casting aspersion on carrie of course

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um terry believes that carrie might be working for michael aquino

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uh who as i understand is dead uh and was a guy who's not a problem in

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this world he started an offshoot of the church of satan it's a bunch of

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it's it's a mess not a problem in this world

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dead or alive doesn't matter everybody's helping everybody out

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terry brings up that carrie is like she seems to have a lot of people who are

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criminals who

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end up as guests on her show that seems like an important caveat yeah that's a

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fair point yeah john david morton yep uh the

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mark richards there's some others that i don't know i'm not i'm not

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going to necessarily double down on because i haven't looked into them myself

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i don't know if they're actually criminals but it is

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an interesting trend and a lot of them are criminals who uh seem

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to be interested in fraud if not convicted

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still eligible to be a criminal you know what i'm saying yeah

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they're eligible for a felony for anybody who's looking in

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yeah so in this next clip from their interview they

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they've had that conversation and they get around to talking about simon parks

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who is the former mp from england who uh says that about once or twice a year

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he has sex with an alien and uh he's a fervent defender of mark

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richards he is one of the ones who uh carrie goes

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to all the times like simon's got the information he talks to

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manted beings they got marks back uh they vouch for all

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this i remember liking him uh as an mp i think i thought he was uh

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doing a pretty good job uh he'd be better than nigel forage

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perhaps almost certainly yeah uh so he claimed simon parks claimed that he had

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an intelligence contact in the uk who uh vouched for all of mark's stuff

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and could prove that mark wasn't lying about all this

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bullshit well he was an mp so he would have access to that

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i don't think he has any more so look i don't

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i don't want to split hair he claimed that he had all this proof

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and then kevin contacted him is like well if you have the proof i'm more than

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happy to look at it like obviously that would change everything

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sure and simon won't let him see all the proof surprise so it's classified so

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kevin has decided he's lying ghcq wouldn't allow that shit out no no no

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no home office says no sir no thank you um so

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i'm gonna go ahead and agree with kevin that simon is definitely lying about

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this shit uh but where kevin takes that is

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problematic uh as we know that he channels aliens

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when you're paired to lie lie to to to to an audience that size right

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and keep a straight face what other bullshit are you talking about

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on your other parts of your information that you're giving out

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right i hate him yeah i hate him so much no it's totally you're not allowed to

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say that you're not allowed to say that it's totally crazy you're just

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literally not allowed to say that he has tons of videos on his youtube channel

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where he just closes his eyes and is like

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i am now talking from an alien it's like yeah you he's lying with the

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straight face you can't accuse he doesn't always have a straight face

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sometimes he's smirking yeah which is even more infuriating yeah you can't you

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can't be like okay if simon parks is lying

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about having documents about mark richards what other bullshit is he doing

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when you channel fucking aliens yeah like

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if you're willing to channel aliens on your show

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what other bullshit are you doing it's uh yeah

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oh my god but that's part of why i i entirely believe that this is all part

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of an intentional strategy which is kevin wants to corner the

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market of safe to that community

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uh debunking he wants to take the space of

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skeptic within the community who also still runs a psychic hotline right

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he wants that space really badly and i take that from

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this uh at the end here where he's uh laying out some plans to make more

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documentaries i just wish that um i hope that if this

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just helps one person this information in this

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interview then job done do you know what i mean

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i will be walking away from it at some point and start another documentary

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summer parks will be a documentary that i am going to be doing this world

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so will cori good and david wilcock okay but not from this do you think that

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they're also from his anger you hear that at the end yeah i'm gonna

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make documentaries about these people but not from the same place of anger

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yep he's coming from a place of anger with carrie which is

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unhealthy certainly seems out of line with what those aliens you channel would

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want you to do you know or even just oasis would tell

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you not to do this the band don't look back in anger oh okay

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don't do it

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uh i think that he is a completely fucked up dude

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who's operating from a position of bad faith and doing something that

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obviously we want to be done that's what sucks

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yeah i can't trust his mark richards documentary

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because well i mean some of the information probably you can if you

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verify it yeah and all that but like i can't trust

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the intent of it because it comes from him

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i want a mark richards documentary i would even want a fucking simon parks

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documentary i bet that would be that would be incredible yeah

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talking like going to talk to people who worked with him

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uh in in the government yeah go oh it would be

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so awesome no the moment he was like i'm gonna do a documentary about simon parks

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i had all these ideas and i was like yeah that's a great idea man let's go

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absolutely great absolutely i think that these topics

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are great for documentaries and great for documentaries coming from a critical

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perspective but i don't want him doing them it'd be

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it'd be because it only is in service of him

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establishing a position of unassailability in terms of like

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because then he could be like i channel these aliens and be like are you fucking

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serious look i'm skeptical i took her down because

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look that only increases my legitimacy you know i'm telling the truth

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because look i am a skeptic towards this so my

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channeling i obviously have interrogated it

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and did a cursory google search on every ghost that i'm fucking channeling it's

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building a wall around himself yeah to deflect attacks uh

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of him being full of shit right and it's i can't support that well at the same

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time trying to siphon away carrie's audience um god

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he's such a dick what is this real dick what is this dude's fucking deal

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i hate him yeah yeah and i really would be

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even more i'm gonna be so mad if it turns out the documentary is just

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fucking perfect like it's it could be nails it

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everything i've seen some of the other stuff he's made and it's not as

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professional you know like his vlogs and stuff yeah it doesn't

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inspire a ton of confidence and his uh trailer though it contained

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clips of interviews that i think might be interesting to see uh the voiceover

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was terrible yeah the editing wasn't great

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so if he's working if that's a sample of the work

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i think that it could be not that good oh it's not going to sun dance

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i really hope that uh actually now i'm hoping that he never releases it because

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i feel like people are going to demand that we do an

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end game style i'm willing to do that of his documentary i'm willing to do

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that oh boy i'm willing to do all sorts of things i'm willing to go to the uk

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and interview Simon Parks i do i'm willing to make a documentary about it

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i'm not willing to do that no so now it's interesting here

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that um kevin moore is on this show this terry joyce the freedom of joyce show

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and he's going that fucking name on and on about discernment

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we've heard him within the interview with terry and in the call with carrie

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say discernment multiple times it's all over the place it seems like

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the buzzword of the day this is what it's all about

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discernment it's one thing to let someone

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something awful slide when you're just coasting in life granted you're coasting

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while pretending to be able to channel alien intelligences

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you know who could probably easily have told you mark richards was full of shit

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back when you interviewed his wife but you could see how that might be a

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low priority for these aliens to tell you about things yeah they've got bigger

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so that's the difference of discernment discernment is something you must

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practice so back earlier he could make the

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argument i wasn't practicing this discernment about these topics

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but now discernment is key sure so kevin says in this interview with terry

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that this is a very important interview this was an important interview i

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thought i'd do with you thank you and and right now i'm at war

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that's how i feel so this is a very important interview

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for him and i hate to be the bearer of bad news but if you go on the freedom

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of joyce uh show uh it seems like just one in a

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long line of instances where kevin moore shows shitty shitty

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discernment because for one he's saying it's an

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important interview like this video has been up for a couple

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days now it has a couple hundred views did did she make it on the radio though

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i don't know i don't think so and i don't think the audience is much

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more than that this is a very small audience that he's

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speaking to this is not an important uh interview

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for him to do doubtful that's crazy i wonder if she put in the

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comments of the link uh in the comments of the youtube video a lot of links to

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showing how much of an asshole that kevin is i

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would love that that debunked his bullshit that would be awesome he would

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want that right uh uh ostensibly that is what he hopes

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for all of the people who interview anybody to do

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put in these fucking links to show where he's full of shit right

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it's you gotta provide both sides dan it seems unlikely because even though at

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the beginning of their interview they talked

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about how carrie doesn't vet her guests and about how

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kevin and terry they would they would vet they would absolutely sit down of

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course and vet their guests and uh here's why i don't think she does that

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one she's doing this interview right now yeah

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two she's had randy kramer oh no on as a guest who's the super soldier

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who carrie has also had on who told stories about going to space

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and then miraculously being returned into his bed

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uh minutes after he had left yeah after years of fighting in space

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yeah but the space ghost that kevin channels told him that was true

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so i mean his story is no less or more credible than mark's

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it's just he didn't murder a guy yeah that's true i don't understand

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okay now that does that should give you a lot more points though you do get

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points for having a guest who hasn't murdered a guy you don't get points

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you get a pass

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it doesn't matter that you interviewed a guy who lies about space because he

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didn't murder a guy i guess so

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you have the same guest there that shows that your discernment or

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whatever yeah is probably about the same as carrie's

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now i have strong reason to believe that terry joyce her discernment is far

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worse than carrie's oh no because there's a guy who's been on

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i think once maybe twice on project camelot

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who has been on terry's show 17 times that's probably too many that's steve

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d kelly the guy who believes that there is a

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alien base under the getty museum right okay

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now in his defense there is

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she is a huge fan of steve kelly

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anybody with the tiniest amount of discernment would be able to watch a

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video of his and be like oh my god this guy is a fucking creep

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he has no evidence to back up anything he's saying

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and then if you had any bit of like vetting that you wanted to do you could

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dig in and i think i did this within an hour two

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hours of just looking into it oh my god this guy seems like someone

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who uh steals people's guns who sent them to him to have lasers put

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on them that's right seems like this guy is a

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weapons dude

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i went to the i actually went to the getty museum uh

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and uh let me tell you something it's a great museum

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no aliens now no aliens you should great music you should know this it would have

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been better with aliens i know this from going to uh terry's uh

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youtube page she's also been to the getty museum

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which she live streamed when she was on a tour

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with steve kelly okay so did they get did they go down no what do you mean

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they couldn't find the elevator they wandered around the fucking outside and

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he's like now you see this wall here the slope

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the slope of this wall so they have a good shooting position from up top

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uh he was a tour guide for a tour that doesn't exist

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yeah it's an unauthorized tour that he gives a spaghetti

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and he wanders around outside and man the outfit that he is wearing

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is ridiculous what does he look like so he's got long hair

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he's an older gentleman with some long hair uh he's rocking sunglasses of

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course he has a button-up shirt um not a whole

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undershirt you bet god damn it wear an undershirt also

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unbuttoned no not all the way but enough too far

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i would say three buttons no no yeah look i get it's nice the weather's nice

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in california dude but come on yeah all the way up it's real like this is

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how you decided to dress up to give a tour of the alien space-based

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sketti museum i think i might get the uh you know the

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appearance that you don't care no there's a lack of

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professionalism here certainly i do like you maybe don't care that

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people take you seriously because you know you're full of shit

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that's the vibe i'm getting i like the idea of uh giving a bunch of

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fake tours at different monuments like i want to go to the the tower of

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london and be like aha see now if you went down this elevator here

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you would find the first ring of nazis yeah

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so she has a bunch of bullshit going on on her website if there was any

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discernment being um exercised by any parties sure none of

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them would talk to each other no so anyway none of them would be doing

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what they're doing period no so here's the last clip this is how the interview

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ends and again it just reinforces that kevin is a fucking asshole

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is there anything else that you would like to add to the interview that you

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just you know as a button or something that

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you want to make sure that um those who are listening to my channel

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or uh listening to american people radio

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uh yeah carrie cassidy i hope this documentary that i'm putting together

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absolutely destroys your channel and takes your work and yourself

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down that's what i want to say that's awful is he recording a shoot

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promo like yeah basically i'm coming for you this sunday listen

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up carrie so i just you know i can't walk away

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from that without like thinking you're it's just an asshole

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yeah it's a total asshole and i i hate that because i want to support

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the debunking of these people playful debunking of it

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right i it seems like he's a malignant narcissist who took that phone call

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really personally yes like he got brow beaten

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and he was like i'm not gonna let somebody do that to me and so i'm going

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to dedicate the rest of my life to destroying

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sweric ary i would be lying if i said that that wasn't a thought that

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definitely went through my head yeah while i was listening to this yeah

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that's personal yeah he's coming from a place of anger making this documentary

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yeah exactly when i talk about david wilcock or whatever when i do

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those documentaries it won't come from a place of anger

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right when she gives him a chance for the last word it's

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i hope that i destroy you yeah fuck you man

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it is also hard not to now the sample size

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is small but it's hard not to notice that of the people he's doing

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documentaries about the one he's filled with anger towards is

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a woman but i think he might also have that

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anger towards simon parks uh-huh but i don't i don't know it's hard to

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tell from the context of what he was saying

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about his future documentaries no i i agree

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and if i had more anecdotal evidence or more actual evidence

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to say that he had a anger towards women believe me

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i would bring it up yeah i think that carrie probably shamed him a little bit

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and rightfully so he was being a dick in that phone call agreed

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and uh yeah maybe he's responding uh as uh

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in a chauvinistic way his anger comes from a place of

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his masculinity being attacked it's possible i don't know i don't

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have enough evidence but it certainly would fit a pattern it's really

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other people's behaviors it's strange to me that he played that

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phone call like it was his choice to play that phone call because he does not

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come off uh looking good he doesn't so i was uh

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i listened to all this and i came away feeling a bit empty

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and a little bit confused because on the one hand i'm defending carrie

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yet it's qualified defense yes uh it's not

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uh a sense of like yeah she's right fuck this guy

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right i think fuck this guy but not because i'm defending her

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i'm just being fair that he's being rude and also being fair that carrie um her

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behaviors can go too far and when they do you end up defending a holocaust

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denier yeah um and so it's not it's not cut and

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dry it's not black and white and i realized that what was going on was

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that i was having a crisis of discernment i was having a real

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problem with the very thing that this episode seems to be all about

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now jordan what what if i told you that i found

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the perfect place to learn about discernment

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uh microsoft and karta no oh okay what if i were to tell you that kevin more

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has channeled aliens about the very issue

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of discernment really really we're doing this yeah that can't happen that can't

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happen here's paradoxes aren't real dan there

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is there a sinkhole in time around him here is a video that kevin

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more put out a couple years back where he channels the alien group

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the one uh which he uh that's the people that he talks to

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were they a k-pop band or might as well have been okay

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um so here's where he channels uh them and gets some information

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about what is discernment it is a good question

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we would say he's got music in the background to have

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true discernment one has to be in complete control of their truth

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to begin with one has to know

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that in order to take back your power and know your truth you must firstly

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learn to listen to your very soul so i'll stop it i i gotta pause here

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really quick as we get through this try and pinpoint you're taking notes

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try and pinpoint any concrete thing that he actually says

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has he did you listen to your soul did he open by reading the dictionary

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definition of discernment no just uh the one the one's not really

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interested in uh websters okay what he did he opened with

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closing his eyes and making a scrunchie face

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to that which your eyes look out of to that

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which is inside of your body

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okay to that which you came here with and you shall leave with

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the only thing that will always be a constant

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your soul at that point he smirks he smiles as if like i pulled that one

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yeah that's that's such a like ooh how great was that i landed that that

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line went well that was that was almost uh

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the improv line where he's he was like i surprised myself with how

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bullshitty exactly profound that sound that was exactly the vibe i got from the

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visual of it yeah yeah so far we've got the discernment is

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something that comes from within you and you have to listen to your soul

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great i feel like he would be sifon molyneux if enough people paid

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attention to him perhaps yeah i think he i think

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honestly i hate to say this because stefan molyneux is fucking stupid

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stefan molyneux is way smarter than kevin moore kevin moore

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is so fucking stupid yeah and to learn what it is and what it says

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and how it sets it your soul that is why it's intent towards any current

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situation that you may be going through it is your

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one true alarm your one truth to yourself

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your one all-knowing all-loving part of you to you for you for others as

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well

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to find this you must go deep within and say does this situation feel right

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or no does it really upset me

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no you see sometimes that's not how it works it gets a bit

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silly uh-huh you could say on the way that

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this does is you go around such situations where

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you get so lost in the situation of oh does this feel right

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or no no i'm not feeling right this is this this is not right i shouldn't be

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doing this uh yeah and you you you you get logic

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mixed in with emotion mixed in with emotion mixed in with logic logic logic

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motion and it's never coming from that pure place of your soul

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so at this point i want to point out that it's strange

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that these aliens that he's channeling have the exact same

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i was just about to fucking say that you asshole

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i was gonna be so smart now you made me feel like an idiot i channeled you when

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i said that god damn it i was so just like it's so

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weird that you can listen to him in an interview and a private phone call and

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he has the same you would think that if the alien is

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speaking through him they would uh because he doesn't have to change his

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voice i think that they would probably still change

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word choices uh stammering because stammering is just looking for

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words it's just how the the mind it's not always looking

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for words it can just be a vocal tick but sure

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but largely it's a way that you cover your brain trying to come up with the

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word you're looking for right i do it all the time

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if aliens were guiding the words coming out of your mouth

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unless they i don't know use your brain to come up with words which i guess

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would just mean they're you uh

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i don't understand anyway he's not done

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yes of course these are all alarm bells in a sense that that go

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off to help you recognize what's true and what's not for yourself

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but what we are talking about here is

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the most important part of it all yeah come on

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come on you should have started over after that one

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now these situations remember as long as they're doing it live

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knowingly hurting somebody else yes then there's nothing wrong what

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if you're knowingly hurting someone uh it would be wise to stop straight

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away because you have no right to do that

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cool you're just rambling now buddy but how would you like that

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we still talking about discernment you you would not

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so how joyous is a situation is one way to find that place no it is not does it

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spark joy it does he's condoing that is not how discernment works discernment

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does not factor in your joy apparently it does

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another is through being very still

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and being crouched down real low as much as you can be that

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the feeling of this feels right is for your highest best

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now to be able to get to those situations or

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places shall we say shall we say the shall we say the one

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aliens often uh the one thing aliens often

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uh remark is shall we say this would an alien say

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situations instead of situations an alien uh places the shall we say

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those are like that would be like me trying to pretend

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that i'm channeling an alien and say uh this is reasonable or something yeah

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yeah i just say almost compulsively as a tick

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you can edit you can do it you can do takes man you don't have to clearly edit

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in a bed of music underneath this damn it

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how do you watch yourself doing this go this is fucking gold

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gone through and trusted that gut feeling

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a number of times and if you're not too sure

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stop how to trust that gut feeling don't as we have said to you before

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trust your gut the best way is little small decisions no that you call

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getting to that place of feeling what the gut's saying

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feeling where the joy is feeling what the feeling's telling you

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small situations where small decisions are to be taken

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small small small and then you're so fucking stupid the bigger ones come

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along for you may need to save yourself

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right do i move away do i not do i take this job do i not

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do i put this in investment money here do i not those bigger decisions

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aliens are really then use the same apply the same do the same principles

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and you'll only come to your highest truth at the moment

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aliens are really into portfolio yeah yeah yeah well they

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they have to be they lost a lot of money when bitcoin took that crash immediately

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after so now they're now they're hyper aware yeah they follow john mccaffee's

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twitter and i got burned um but like what he's

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talking about there is really elementary basic self-help

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type stuff yeah the idea of like if you have a

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difficult time making decisions one strategy

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that is very powerful is being mindful of smaller decisions

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and taking building the confidence from those smaller victories

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and smaller decisions where you did make a choice whether it goes badly or well

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uh knowing that you made a choice and everything was

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okay you know building up your confidence from

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that it it's this is 101 self-help type stuff

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that he's just repurposing and regurgitating

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under the guise of speaking for a fucking group of aliens yeah this is

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this is bad now as i was listening to this one of the things i thought was

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very interesting isn't anything that he's saying because

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it's it absolutely is not it's self-help 101 stuff

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if somebody gets some positive out of that then great

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uh it's bad that you're attaching it to aliens but it's

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fine if someone takes that and gains power

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over their ability to control their own life yeah sure great

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yeah hurrah good for you i don't also think it's that interesting that he's

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pretending aliens talk to him because we've already kind of talked about that

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yeah i mean on its face it's absurd um especially considering all of the

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uh the smaller parts of it where it's very clear that it's him

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trying to come up with words yeah and he's thrilled with himself that he

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came up with a word fucking write it down before you do it

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god damn it i hate this but i think that that's what i'm

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trying to get to that i find really interesting and i realized as i was

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watching this he can't really come up with it ahead

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of time because i think that what's actually

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going on is almost a genre of performance

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like if if you want to take it from like an anthropological

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sociological level what he's doing is expressing a modern

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version of performance it's kind of an oral

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tradition like the way he's using these terms and

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talking about that which comes from within

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those aren't words that he gives a shit about those are

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those are signals of an oral tradition that comes down

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from people trying to rip off eastern traditions

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yeah yeah yeah uh people who have channeled aliens in the past

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yeah like it all funnels down in this oral tradition

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and he's just trying to become a part of it he's trying to express that oral

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tradition so if he's thinking he's channeling

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aliens which i don't think he is i think that

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that is yeah a willing misconception yeah that one's that one's on purpose

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but what he's actually doing is tapping into an oral tradition

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that these people have established in the past

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i don't know hundred years uh all the way back to edgar casey

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all of the people who channel bullshit he's taking the terms and taking the

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ideas from that that's built up in his

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subconscious so when he's sitting there and he's

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looking for words or feeling like something is coming through him

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he's willingly misleading his audience into thinking it's an alien group

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in reality what it is is a corpus of uh of uh work that's existed from

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those people yeah yeah my spiritualist revival of the

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the early 1900s yeah and i think that's interesting

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yeah i think that that angle on it is actually more interesting to me

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than just calling him an outright charlatan because then you could kind

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of get into like how this exists in this continuum of

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information and when you look at it as uh a type of performance

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it kind of well i don't know i mean it's still

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misleading and dishonest and he's using it to try and

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make money off people and psychic hotlines but it

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it becomes much more interesting to me i think what i find interesting about the

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channeling videos based on all of his other scams

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the wind chimes uh is that these seem less like

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channeling and more like daily affirmations

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like these seem like he's more talking to himself in almost a

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a you know a diary fashion of like writing down here's what i'm going to do

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i'm going to make small decisions and i'm going to be mindful of that

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and he's just packaging it in this uh way because hey if you're going to write

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a diary you might as well try and monetize it well well to be fair some of

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the videos that he has that's how keel bear got going well

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some of them have to do with like atlantis and uh roswell crash

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and stuff like that but uh we didn't listen to those because

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the word of the day is fucking discernment and that's what we get when

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he starts rambling about discernment so we get to the end of this and i would

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say that my discernment tells me that kevin

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daniel moore is uh first of all a piece of shit

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yeah uh he's a charlatan yep and uh he's running a scam this is an elaborate

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scam um and carrie is the victim of it and

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sure carrie sucks too yeah you know no

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winners our carry okay you get you yelled at me

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for saying that last time no no so anyway uh this has been our

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wacky wednesday adventure of uh kevin moore doing some stuff

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um i don't know i i i'm interested how this

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uh has metastasized and spread the just looking at

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mark richard's interviews on project camelot has now spun out of control

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where we were listening to carrie interviewed

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by uh kevin moore uh and now we are

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listening to kevin moore being interviewed by someone else

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this is while playing a phone conversation with carrie this is

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completely out of control everything is everything is going crazy next wacky

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wednesday we're just gonna listen to uh terry joyce interview somebody i wonder

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what she's up to nothing good probably hanging out with

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steve kelly talking about how they need to storm the getty ah

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that would be fun no it wouldn't yes it would no it wouldn't a lot of people

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would die well once you once you triggered the

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defenses then we're real no no no i'm saying that i believe steven kelly

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would bring a bomb and that's what i believe no way he

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wants to get in you don't blow up the outside

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you have to blow up the outside to get inside no that's not how it works

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i think that human life would be lost i'm gonna go wouldn't be because there's

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nazis i'm gonna go with traditional death star rules you gotta get

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the bomb into the center in order to get rid of

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the whole thing if you just blow up the the outside that's cosmetic damage you

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can always rebuild the getty museum you're still

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talking about a bomb i don't like it fair enough fair enough

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uh so anyway we'll be back on friday with a new episode but until then we

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have a website we do have a website it's knowledgefight.com you're right

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and uh if you'd want to find more information about larry nichols singing

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go to his youtube page uh we are also on twitter

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uh yeah you we are at knowledge underscore fight and i'm at go to bed

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jordan yep and we're on facebook we are on facebook

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all sorts of other places or uh indeed where you can get podcasts around this

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here internet uh-huh for now uh as we come to the end of

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this uh i i don't think kevin moore's killed

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anybody and that's good for him uh yeah but he channels a bunch of ghosts

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who have no he doesn't he's making that up oh okay

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that's all bullshit he's killed uh my ability nah he hasn't i

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didn't have any ability to believe this stuff beforehand

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uh he's killed the definition of discernment yes he

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he's murdered that he has beat that into the ground

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uh but what he hasn't done is kill anybody and one guy who technically

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probably has is alex jones andy in chansas you're on

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the air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first name caller i'm a

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huge fan i love your work i love you