Transcript/140: February 18, 2011

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan, I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, how's it going out there, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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That is indeed what we do, Dan.

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Yup.

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Dan.

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Yup.

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That's my new thing.

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Yup.

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Yup.

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Yup.

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What's up?

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Dan, do you know a lot about Alex Jones?

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So much.

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God damn it, that's when you were supposed to do the yup.

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Yup.

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I set you up.

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I know, I'm sorry.

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I set you up for it.

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I'm not good at the two man game.

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Dan, do I know a lot about Alex Jones?

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Yup.

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There we go. Nailed it!

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Speaking of nailing it guys, we got a lot to get to before we get into today's episode.

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First thing, I mean, just one to one on the nailing it.

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I gotta let everyone know, a big congratulations out to our friend, Jordan, here for making an amazing homemade pizza.

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Oh, fuck off.

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Last night, we went over to your place and you made a great homemade pizza. It was awesome.

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It was alright.

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I think it deserves celebration and the people need to know about it.

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Here's a good pizza.

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It was fantastic.

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This is my second go around.

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The first one, not good.

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Yeah.

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Not good.

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But this one was a fantastic affair.

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And speaking of fantastic affairs, I gotta say-

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Great transition.

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We have-

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Amazing.

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A couple of amazing policy wonks to give a shout out to today.

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This is big league stuff.

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Uh-huh.

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Not that other people and their donations to the show aren't awesome.

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They're all fantastic.

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But today, we get to give a shout out to someone who donated as a policy wonk.

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But for reasons I'll explain here in a minute, I'm bumping him up to a globalist.

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Just right off the bat.

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Damn.

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So I'd like to give a shout out to our new policy wonk, who is a globalist, has a sweet ass name.

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Thank you so much, Dan.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars.

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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone, someone, sodomite, sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark!

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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.

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So thank you so much, Dan.

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I know it's not you, Dan, because you are broke.

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You couldn't donate to our show if you wanted to.

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No, I could not.

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But this Dan B, the reason that we're bumping him-

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Dan Byrne, he's a great music singer-songwriter.

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That could be him.

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The reason we're bumping him up to globalist right off the bat is, along with the donation, he sent an awesome message.

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And that is, I've been listening through all the old episodes to catch up.

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On April 17th, 2017, you mentioned buying fillyourhand.com and redirecting it to your site.

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You didn't do it, so I did.

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No, Dan B!

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So thank you so much, Dan.

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Dan B, you're a goddamn hero!

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That's the coolest thing ever.

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That is the coolest thing ever.

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And now, if you go to fillyourhand.com, redirects to knowledgewrite.com, which is awesome.

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I have never been in love the way that I am in love with you right now, Dan B.

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It's so cool because I had forgotten that we even said that.

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Yeah, of course!

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Of course!

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Yeah, that's the coolest thing.

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So thank you so much.

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And then also, I'd like to give a shout out to someone who may-

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I mean, you know, this is obviously a pseudonym, or maybe it's not, and fiction is reality.

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But coming right in as a technocrat, we'd like to thank you so much, John Wick.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars, go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone, someone sodomized and sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark!

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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

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He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.

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I don't want to hate black people.

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I renounce Jesus Christ!

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Thank you so much, John Wick.

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We appreciate it.

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Man, if that is a- look, if that's like sending a black dot, John Wick is coming for it.

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Have you killed any puppies recently?

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Zero.

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Okay, good.

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Recently.

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Ohhh.

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Zero in my life.

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Alright.

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Um, so-

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Well, I just got a message from somebody that on April 12th of 2017, you killed a puppy and that's why John Wick donated.

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That is not true.

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Yep.

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I swear.

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Um, so thank you so much.

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Uh, these are really awesome, uh, turns of events.

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And if you'd like to become a Policy Wonk, you may do so by going to our website, KnowledgeFight.com, clicking the Sport the Show button.

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Honestly, I'm very self-conscious about, uh, this, uh-

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Yeah, I know.

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So far.

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It's crazy.

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Well, I mean, I feel like I have low energy.

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You know, I feel like I didn't-

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Oh, do you mean the show right now?

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Yeah, I feel like I didn't do a good job thanking those people.

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Wow.

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Very.

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Your- your anxiety and self-loathing are, uh, high.

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High today.

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Yeah, you know what?

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You're up.

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Today, I woke up and I don't know what it is.

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I'm not in it.

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Okay.

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I tried-

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It was that fucking pizza, wasn't it?

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It could have been the pizza.

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Oh, god damn it.

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Um, I tried to get it up, uh, for, like, the show today.

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And I tried to listen.

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I was just like, I can't- I can't do it.

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I just- I'm not interested in it.

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And I really tried to force it.

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And it's one of the challenges of doing a show like this is, like, sometimes it's not

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fun.

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Right.

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The studying portion, especially-

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Right.

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Is not fun.

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And so I was like, I gotta- I gotta- I gotta- I gotta show up.

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And I do have a- I do have a fun episode for us to do today.

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Is this like, uh, are you- are you telling us this is your Michael Jordan flu game?

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Is that-

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Someone, yes.

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You're under the weather and you're still gonna fucking deliver?

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Is that what's going on here?

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We will see about the delivering.

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We'll see how that turns out.

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Talk to me after the show.

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Okay.

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Um, but yeah.

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I really- I really, uh, just- my heart and soul wasn't in this.

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Uh, but I think- I think it's gonna work out okay.

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But, my heart and soul is in.

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Damn it.

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Yes.

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Fuck.

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Yeah.

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Fuck you.

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Give me- give me more of that transition.

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Give me- give me that one.

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Give me a take two on that one.

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You know what doesn't need a second take?

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Uh, our, uh, March Madness bracket.

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Yes, yes.

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Uh, on the last episode I promised we'd have, uh, a bunch more match-ups today.

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Uh-huh.

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And because I, uh, kind of, a little bit, eh, I didn't- I- we'll do a bunch of match-ups on the next episode.

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Oh, damn.

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But we have one match-up today.

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Okay.

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Uh, on the last episode we introduced the guests division.

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Yes.

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And, uh, I- I'm, uh, not surprised to report Steve Pechenik is trouncing.

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Yeah.

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Hamamoto.

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Yeah, that- that one's- that one's too good.

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Uh, but today we introduced the-

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You coulda asked how I was doing.

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Mm-hmm.

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So good.

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It's great.

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Um, today we introduced the, uh, religious division.

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Oh, no.

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Uh, and so we have-

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Oh, this is gonna be some heavy hitters then.

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Eh, there's some good stuff.

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We have, uh, today the number four seed in the religious division was, uh, from January of, uh, this year

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when Alex Jones was out among the, uh, people celebrating, uh, the inauguration.

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Um, and, uh, he said this about needing to go pray.

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I'm gonna go get settled down in an office and just take a shower or something

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and just get on my knees and pray to God.

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I'll be honest with you, I wanna get in a room by myself and hit my knees and start crying

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because this is so good.

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And I'm telling you, man, the- the evil's gonna strike back.

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We gotta be watching them.

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We gotta be ready.

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But we know who they are.

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We know their plan.

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And I gotta say it.

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It's been Infowars.

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It's been Infowars and you the people and our analysis.

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Tell him, Alex.

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I like that there's the tell him, Alex, the bullshit.

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I gotta pray, but also it's been our analysis.

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Yes, Infowars.com is great.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Um, I think the selection committee probably put that in the four seed over some of his lengthy rants

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about the devil because of the fake tears.

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Right.

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I think the fake tears, um, and the guy yelling bullshit.

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Yeah, I know.

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That- that one's a big fan.

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Yeah.

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That one's good.

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That elevates this clip.

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It will surprise literally nobody that that will be going up against the number one seed

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from our first episode ever.

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Oh, is it?

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It might be time.

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It's time.

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Woo!

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I mean, this is in a red-able.

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Just red alert, red alert, red alert.

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This is getting crazy.

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This is so frickin' out of control.

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It's time to pray.

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Boom!

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Lord, Heavenly Father.

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Drop it.

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Please help us.

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Open our eyes.

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Please help us be good.

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There's a small evil in our name.

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Yeah.

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It's time to pray.

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I just love the, the, woop.

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Woo!

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The beginning.

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Red alert!

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Red alert!

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Red alert!

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Red alert!

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Red alert!

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Oh, the rhythm on that.

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And if you recall, the reason that he was going into that, you know, thinking that it's

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time to pray.

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Right.

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Was because he thought that Benjamin Netanyahu was going to get arrested immediately.

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Yeah.

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Which adds a weird layer to it that, uh, anyway, uh, I think that unfortunately this

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might be another one that the upset is going to be very difficult for the contenders.

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Oh, that's too hard.

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It's time to pray is legendary.

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It kind of is.

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Especially with the legacy of being on our first episode, it's something that's going

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to be, it's an uphill battle for the, uh, bullshit yeller at the rally.

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Right.

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Uh, but we will see.

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Voting will be open, uh, on our, uh, Facebook group.

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Go home and tell your mother your brain.

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Currently?

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Currently?

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I'm, I'm leaning towards that as the favorite for the whole tournament.

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It's going to be tough for something else to come in, although I have some surprises.

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Yeah.

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I have some things that you might have forgotten that are absurd.

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Some dark horse candidates.

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All right.

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Yeah.

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So let's find out.

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Speaking of dark horses.

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God damn it.

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I thought you said you weren't in it today.

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Your transitions are fire, my friend.

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Well, that's just muscle memory.

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I can do that asleep.

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Um, so today, Jordan, I, like I said, I didn't care for his show today.

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I found it very boring, uh, and didn't want to play, uh, games with it.

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And then I was trying to think about like, maybe today, uh, we go back and, uh, we go

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to 2008, but that takes way too much time.

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I didn't have the time to do it.

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And I don't want to half-ass that.

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I don't want to half-ass anything, but I found something that we can half-ass.

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Okay.

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And that is, um, the day that Charlie Sheen destroyed his own life on Alex's show.

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Ah, that was on Alex's show?

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Do you not remember this?

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I remember, I remember him destroying his life.

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I didn't remember that it was on Alex's show.

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Let me give you a little bit of history.

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Okay.

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So, uh, at the time, uh, in 2011, Charlie Sheen was making $1.8 million per episode

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on Two and a Half Men in what would be his last season of the show.

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Also, uh, at this point, uh, he had, uh, uh, uh, I'm just going to give you a little bit

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of backstory on him.

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Uh, in 1998, Charlie Sheen had a stroke after overdosing on cocaine.

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Uh, in January 1990, Sheen accidentally shot his fiance in the arm, uh, accidentally shot

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her in the arm.

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Hey, that happens.

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That's just called the Burroughs Special.

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Sheen, uh, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault charges involving his, uh, wife, uh, Burke

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Mueller in August 2010, receiving a sentence of 30 days probation, as well as rehab and

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anger management counseling.

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His second wife, Denise Richards, accused him of physically and verbally abusing her

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and threatening her life.

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She obtained a restraining order against him in 2006.

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Well, that's good.

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On October 26th, 2010, Charlie Sheen was removed from the Plaza Hotel after doing over $7,000

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in damages to the property.

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According to the New York, uh, New York Police Department, Charlie Sheen admitted he was

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drinking and doing cocaine that night.

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I was going to say, I thought you were going to say he did over $7,000 of cocaine.

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He might have.

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Yeah.

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Um, so, um, uh, in January of 2011, production was forced, uh, into hiatus on Two and a Half

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Men because Charlie had to go to rehab after he was hospitalized following a three-day

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Coke binge.

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The third time, he tried to get clean in the past year.

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Then, on February 18th, 2011, Charlie Sheen went on The Alex Jones Show and acted like

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a drugged-up idiot, which is literally the reason he ended up getting fired from his

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show.

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Wow.

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All of that stuff, Charlie Sheen's public meltdown, all of it started on Alex Jones'

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show.

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I did not know that.

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We're going to listen through this.

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Well, I thought it was, like, on, uh, Barbara Walters or something like that.

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No.

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Interestingly, we're not going to listen to it here because it's only, like, four minutes

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long and a clusterfuck.

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Uh-huh.

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But in, like, later, because Alex is the beginning of this arc, uh, Alex goes on The View to

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defend Charlie Sheen.

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What?

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So that might be where you're getting some Barbara Walters connection.

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Wait, what?

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Yeah.

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That can't be real.

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Then he starts screaming about the...

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Is The View allowed Alex Jones on their fucking show?

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It's pretty wild because he keeps trying to say, like, Charlie Sheen doesn't do drugs.

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Oh, no.

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And what have you.

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And then, uh, yeah, it just turns into people yelling over each other.

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Well, yeah.

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He wants to talk about the banks and what have you.

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And Whoopi is like, can we please talk about Charlie Sheen?

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I don't want to talk about any of this.

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It's such a mess.

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And, like, everybody remembers the tiger blood.

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Everybody remembers, uh, a lot, a lot of these quotes.

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And what they forget is a lot of them started on Alex Jones's show.

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That's crazy.

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The Vatican Assassin stuff.

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All of that comes...

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But that was proven true.

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Well, absolutely.

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Yeah.

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The black nobility.

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Of course.

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Um, so this is a fateful day that it's interesting that history has rewritten because the public

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meltdown went so much further and Charlie Sheen is a giant star.

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Yeah.

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And that his appearance on Alex Jones's show kick-started a lot of it.

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And it's largely forgotten in the general public consciousness.

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Because, of course, I had no idea that he'd even gone on Alex Jones's show in the fucking

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first place.

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A lot of people forget that.

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But, uh, we are not ones to forget.

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There's not a lot to debunk here.

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There's really...

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Really just we're going to end up listening to Charlie Sheen act like an idiot and Alex

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Jones laugh because he knows that this is going to get him so much...

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This is great.

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This is great.

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This is going to get me on The View.

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He should set his sights higher than that.

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But whatever.

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Spoiler alert.

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Yeah.

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Throughout the interview, they will reference someone named Nails.

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I thought it was just a friend of theirs named Nails.

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Turns out it's Lenny Dykstra.

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Yeah, no, I thought everybody knew who Nails was.

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I did.

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I know that's Dykstra's nickname.

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I did not know that the two of them were talking about specifically Lenny Dykstra.

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They have to because Lenny Dykstra is the only person maybe as crazy as those two guys

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are.

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And he shows up at the end of the interview.

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What?

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Why?

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What?

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Yeah.

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Dykstra shows up.

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Jesus.

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And...

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What?

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Wait, does he just have a...

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Does he just know when people are speaking about him in the ether sphere or were they

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aware?

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They're all friends.

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And so like we're not going to listen to any of that because the surreality of Alex Jones

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talking to Charlie Sheen and Lenny Dykstra is overshadowed by how boring it is.

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Oh, no.

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It's really nothing.

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Oh, that's disappointing.

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Well, Charlie was trying...

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You know, he doesn't like sharing the guest seat.

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He wants to be daddy.

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See, I want Lenny Dykstra to be trying to sell Charlie Sheen on a fake property.

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That's the goal I have there.

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Dykstra is just basically like, ha ha, isn't this guy awesome?

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Which I would argue is both him and Alex being bad friends.

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Yeah.

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So here's the first clip.

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The word enabler is a very important word.

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You know what's going on and people are so mystified by this odyssey that refuses to

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stop calling itself Charlie Sheen.

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Absolutely, Charlie.

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It was good to see you a few weeks ago at your home.

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Likewise.

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Likewise, dude.

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You are looking great.

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You're completely clean, aren't you?

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A hundred percent.

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You know, here's your first pee test.

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Next one goes in your mouth.

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No, you won't get high.

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It's all good.

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It's all good, guys.

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Quit panicking.

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Quit panicking.

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No panic, no judgment.

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And you're working out even a couple times a day sometimes.

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Well, yeah, but there's only one time in the gym if you catch my drift, Alex.

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Whatever.

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We're not live, are we?

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No, we're live.

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Charlie, speaking of that, the media, you don't want to go there.

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So real quick, we'll get back, the clip's not done, but throughout this time and whenever

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Alex goes on The View, and they're referencing also after this, Charlie Sheen allowed cameras

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into his house and they publicly took his blood to be tested to prove that he's not

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on drugs.

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Great.

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But it's kind of interesting because blood testing for drug use is incredibly, incredibly

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accurate.

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It's very good for finding stuff, but unfortunately, the amount of time it's detectable in your

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blood, the window is very short.

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So for instance, amphetamines aren't detectable after like 10 hours in your blood.

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That's good to know.

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Methamphetamine is about 24 hours, barbiturates possibly about a day or two, benzos could

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be as quick as six hours later if it's out of your blood.

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Oh, shit.

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All right.

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Cocaine generally about 12 hours.

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It's not detectable in your blood.

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So I don't know.

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I'm not convinced.

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Oh, LSD also?

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Zero.

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Yeah, I was going to say, that's hard to detect, period.

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PCP about 12 hours, generally speaking.

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So the idea that he's like proving that he's not doing drugs by having them take his blood

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is like, you could just time this.

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That's ridiculous.

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You would hope he would have done some research on it before he committed to that.

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So I'm sorry.

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I interrupted you there.

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I was never a big fan of the whole Charlie Sheen meltdown, just because look, I mean,

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I don't like watching somebody who is clearly mentally ill on top of doing all that.

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You don't wind up doing a shit ton of cocaine and all of this shit without having some underlying

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mental issues going on.

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Oh, absolutely.

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And it's clear that he is, if not of my people, at least adjacent to the bipolar community.

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Oh, definitely.

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So it was like a little bit of, I mean, at a certain point, you stop punching up whenever

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you're mocking a celebrity and you start really punching down.

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That's kind of my issue there.

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Because the celebrity portion gets eclipsed by the human portion of it.

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That whole time period was very uncomfortable for me because I did know a few people who

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were like, ha ha, isn't this awesome?

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And I thought, no, this is not awesome.

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This is painful.

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This is really tough to watch.

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I think my biggest issue, though, is Alex went to Charlie's house.

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Oh, yeah, they're buddies.

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Are they friends?

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Yeah, they've been friends for a long time.

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Have they been friends for a long time?

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Yeah, they're both crazy.

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Why?

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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If I had known that, so whenever Alex starts talking about star fuckery, how come he doesn't

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bring up Charlie Sheen all the time?

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He does sometimes, but I think that the way that this ends up playing out, he doesn't

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want to bring it up much.

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Gotcha.

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I don't want to tease too much, but the stuff that Charlie Sheen has said lately about this

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period of his life, I don't think Alex wants to associate necessarily too closely.

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Because Charlie Sheen's retconned a whole bunch of stuff, let's say.

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Spoiler alert, at the end of this, he's going to claim it was a steroid cream that gave

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him roid rage.

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Oh, that sounds right.

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Yeah, so he looks back on it and he's like, this is a very cringy time.

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Oh man, I bet Alex stopped being friends with Charlie when he stopped being as famous.

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I would almost guarantee that.

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I don't think Alex, I think Alex is such a star fucker that he, the moment the star fades,

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he's like, I got to find new famous friends.

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I think so.

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I think he abandoned Charlie Sheen.

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I don't know.

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I don't know if there's, I don't know.

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And he did kill Knonk.

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That's possibly true.

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Don't tell John Wick.

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Don't want to ever defend yourself, but you've told me privately, most of the stuff, most

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of the names, it's, it's, it's not true, but what is going on with the women in your life?

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The goddesses, Alex, the goddesses, um, let me just say this about the goddesses.

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I don't believe the term is, uh, is good enough, is good enough, um, but when you're bound

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by these, uh, these, these, these terrestrial, uh, descriptions, you must use the best choice

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available, right?

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Yes.

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So if you think about it, it's like, I'm over three with marriage, uh, with nary an excuse,

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but, but like in baseball, the scoreboard doesn't lie, never has.

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So what, what we all have, um, is a, is a marriage of the heart of the hearts.

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And I, you know, to, to, to sully contaminate or, you know, um, or radically, uh, disrespect

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this union with a shameful contract is something I will leave to the amateurs and the Bible

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grippers, the Bible grippers.

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You nailed it.

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Nailed it.

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And what's, what's strange there is when, when somebody like that uses the term goddess,

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that is simply another way of demeaning women.

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Totally.

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It's such a, it's such a strange thing for him to like, oh, they're terrestrial words

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aren't enough, but scoreboard doesn't lie.

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And you're like, fuck you, you fucking, what are you fucking talking about?

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And he's talking about the porn stars that he's hanging out with.

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Oh, well, that's probably doing drugs.

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Yeah.

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And he's like, Hey, I don't judge anybody in the sex work industry.

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No, neither do I, but it's just like, you have to look at the picture of what he was

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doing at that time because, uh, in this next clip actually, we'll even get to it.

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They talk about like whether his, I believe then wife, uh, is involved with his shenanigans

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and he has a very interesting spin on it.

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And then I just got to add this, there was a whole firestorm yesterday about, about Brooke

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being, uh, you know, a part of our, a part of our crew.

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And this, let me just say this, this is all I'm going to say about it was, is that, uh,

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where there were four, um, there are now three, but my Brooke and a good luck in your travels.

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You're going to need it.

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So, so Brooke did go along with you, but she's not there now.

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No, she's not there now.

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And, and, and, and we are, and I don't know, winning anyone rhymes with winning anyone

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else.

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Yeah, that would be us.

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Sorry, man.

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Didn't make the rules.

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Oops.

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Well, Charlie, I've known you for six, six and a half years or so.

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And I knew when you were completely clean and then I've known you since, but, but the

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point is now I've never seen you when I was out of your house and talking on the phone,

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so energized as you are now, I mean, you, uh, I mean, you're on fire, uh, as nails told

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the news yesterday.

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I mean, I agree with that description.

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Well, I think it was nailed and said, I was really, really flattered cause he got it right

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that I'm not, you know, he might be nailed, but I'm fricking bayonets, you know, I am

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battling the bayonets, bro.

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And I'm, you know, I'm, I'm tired and I'm so tired of pretending like my life isn't

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perfect and bitchin and just winning every second and I'm not perfect and bitchin and

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just delivering the goods at every fricking turn because look what I'm dealing with, man.

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I'm dealing with fools and trolls, you know, dealing with, with soft targets and it's just,

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you know, it's, it's just strafing runs in my underwear before my first cup of coffee

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because I don't have time for these clowns.

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I don't have time for their judgment and their stupidity and you know, they lay down with

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their ugly wives in front of the regular children and just look at their loser lives and then

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they look at me and they say, I can't process it.

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Well, no, and you never will stop trying to sit back and enjoy the show.

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That does sound a lot like Alex Jones to some extent.

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That sounds a lot like what, like that's just a more concentrated version of the shit that

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Alex Jones has spread out over, over time because I bet if we wanted to, you could go

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back and find a little chunk of different sentences and put all of those chunks together

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and it would be word for word that like Alex is that same piece of shit.

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Also, I'm interested now because Alex Jones 100% did a shit ton of Coke with Charlie Sheen,

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but there's a decent.

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I don't know if we can, I don't know if you can say that 100% seems very high.

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I knew you.

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I knew you when you were totally clean and uh, so what's going on now is code for, yeah,

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we did a lot of Coke together.

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I mean it's, again, I can't refute that.

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I don't know.

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I think it's, I think we'll never be able to prove that it's entirely possible.

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Whatever.

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The issue here is that like this is irresponsible of Alex.

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Like I know that he, he's such a, um, attention grabber, he's such a, uh, he's so desperate

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for any kind of attention that'll come to him that he knows that like, oh, this guy's

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rambling nonsense.

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Everyone's going to be all over this.

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Not recognizing the damage that probably come to the reputation and the life of someone

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he considers a friend.

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And that's, that's bad.

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That's not a good human thing to do.

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Like if you came in here one day, you were all fucked up and you started just talking

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nonsense and you'll see some of the other shit he ends up saying, like, I would not

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put that out.

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No, of course not.

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Or I would tell you to shut up and uh, uh, try and get the interview on track towards

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what the substance of the matter is.

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And the fact that, the fact that Alex doesn't do that, I mean,

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He's using, he's using Charlie and that's, that's kind of, that's such a, that's such

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a cruel thing to do.

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I don't like that.

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No.

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And that's, that's one of the reasons I wanted to go over this.

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I mean, not as much, uh, it is interesting that like a lot of that madness has its roots

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here in, uh, Alex's show.

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Uh, but the sort of cruelty of Alex is allowing him to do this is, um,

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And not just allowing him, egging him on actively.

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Like, Hey, be, be more crazy.

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I'm giving you positive feedback.

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So you got to keep bringing the goods.

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Yeah.

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That kind of thing.

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Yeah.

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So, um, in this next clip, we get to where things were, uh, fairly problematic.

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Uh, and this is one of the big reasons, um, that he got in trouble for this interview.

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I'm loving.

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Yeah.

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That's Chuck's real name.

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Uh, mistook this rock star for his own selfish exit strategy, bro.

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Check it, Alex.

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I embarrassed him in front of his children in the world by healing at a pace that, that

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his unevolved mind cannot process.

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Okay.

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Last night, check time, uh, I've spent, I think close to the last decade.

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I don't know, effortlessly and magically converting your, your tin cans and the pure gold and

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the gratitude I get in this get is this charlatan chose not to do his job, which is to write

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clearly someone who believes he is above the law.

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Well, you've been warned, dude.

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So he's talking about Chuck Lorre.

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Yeah.

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Got a little started off antisemitic.

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A little bit harsh, especially calling him Heim, uh, Levine, um, because his real name

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is Charles Michael Levine.

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Um, and so the Heim part is probably just directly, uh, you might as well have said

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like I embarrassed him and his Jew children in front of the world, like that kind of level

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of antisemitic.

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Yeah.

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He, um, uh, and, uh, uh, Chuck Lorre explained that he changed his name because his mother

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was never a fan of his father's family and she had an unfortunate habit of using Levine

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as a stinging insult.

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When displeased with me, she would often say, or shriek, you know what you are?

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You're a Levine, a no good rotten Levine.

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So as far back as I can remember, every time I heard my last name, I would experience acute

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feelings of low self esteem.

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So that's what I always say about Adam Levine.

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So there's that his songs have taken a toll on me.

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Um, so it's not too much of a mystery.

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He's not trying to hide his Jewish heritage or whatever, but you know, like it's not,

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it's not that at all.

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And the fact that, uh, you know, Charlie is, is, uh, using that as some sort of an insult

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is really the reason that he got into trouble.

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So I'm gonna read to you from a Guardian article here.

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Filming of the 30 minute show, Two and a Half Men, had been due to restart next week after

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Sheen's latest bout of rehabilitation for drink and drugs until he hit the self destruct

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button in spectacular style on Thursday when he spoke live to a radio jock called Alex

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Jones.

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For CBS and its holding company, Warner Brothers Television, what probably most stuck in the

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crawl was his antisemitism tinged tirade against the creator and lead writer of Two and a Half

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Men, Chuck Lorre.

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So that's probably, um, you know, the world believes, and I think rightfully so, that

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that was a big mistake.

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That's real bad and probably a big part of why he...

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What a more innocent time where the Guardian just calls him Radio Jock, Alex Jones.

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Less awareness of him.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So here's... that is not his, uh, his, uh, uh, what, preamble, uh, in the current times.

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No.

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No.

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Noted asshole conspiracy theorist monster, Alex Jones.

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Yeah, that's not part of his honorific title.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Radio Jock has gone by the wayside.

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So in this next clip, uh, we get to see, uh, one of Charlie's, uh, big catchphrases get

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deployed, uh, and, uh, hmm, it's just lunacy.

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Yeah.

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I've known you and in the years of people that have known you for decades, they say

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Charlie is on fire.

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And after he came out of what he's been in the last seven months, he is, he is not putting

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up with people trying to push him around anymore.

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Is that fair to say?

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It's, it's, yeah, it's an understatement, you know, it's, um, I just, I'm sorry, man.

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I got, I got, I got magic and I got poetry at my fingertips and I'm, you know, at, uh,

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most of the time, and this is, you know, this includes naps, you know, I'm a, I'm a, I'm

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an F 18 bro, and I will, I will destroy you in the air and I will, I will, I will deploy

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my ordinance to the ground.

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Are you going to announce your new, uh, tattoo here on air?

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Yeah.

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Why not?

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Cause it's just pure, pure and complete gnarly isms.

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Um, yeah, I sat with two, uh, Hey, coincidence, uh, at 18 to top gun, radical fire napalm dropping

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pilots in my movie theater, watching the attack sequence that did the chopper attack sequence

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on the beachhead to go surfing because they wanted to, and those people were in their

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way.

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Um, and I, and I was getting a tattoo during the death from above and it was a, uh, it's

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the banner from the death card that, that Kilgore is throwing on his victims, but there's

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also falling from it is the, uh, is the apple from the giving tree.

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There's my life.

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Deal with it.

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Oh wait.

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Can't process it.

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Losers winning.

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Goodbye.

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That I, what, what I, I didn't understand what tracked there.

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Uh, what was he describing?

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I think the tattoo is a combination of that death card that he's referencing and a, an

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apple from the giving tree.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I mean like, look, like I said, there's nothing to really debunk or like it's almost impossible

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to deconstruct or track any of this stuff.

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Like the lines of thinking, I think he was in a movie theater, completely disjointed

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you are, you're sitting with two F 18, uh, fighter pilots and I don't know, man, it doesn't

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matter.

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You just thought of the fucking tattoo.

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I've never considered getting a tattoo by two artists before.

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That would be interesting simultaneously that work their way towards each other.

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That'd be fun.

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That'd be kind of fun.

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Yeah, I should do that.

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I can't afford to hire two artists though.

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No, no, that's twice as much per hour.

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Yeah.

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In this next clip, uh, Alex talks about, uh, future movies, uh, that, uh, Charlie Sheen

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is going to be a part of, uh, the rumor mills written by Alex Jones.

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The rumor mills are spinning.

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And again, at this point he'd not been fired for two and a half men because that comes

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after this.

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Right.

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Uh, but, uh, this, this is nonsense.

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Moving on along here, a major league three, your other two were giant, uh, hits.

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And uh, I knew the inside baseball of some of the planning, uh, for that.

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You told me about it a while back.

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But now it looks like it's really starting to come together.

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Uh, tell us about, uh, when we're going to be looking for major league three and who's

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going to be in it.

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I don't know.

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I haven't read it.

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I don't care.

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It's being directed and written by a genius named David Ward, who, Oh, I don't know, won

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the Academy award at 23 for writing the sting.

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Um, and it was his pen that, that, that, and his vision that created the classic that,

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that we know today as major league.

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In fact, a lot of people think the movie's called wild thing as they should.

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Um, but whatever I, um, I agreed to do it.

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There's just one, there's one deal point that, uh, that Jim Robinson, a wonderful man in

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Morgan Creek, a great company, uh, needs to work out.

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Um, if they want me in it, it's a smash.

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If they don't, it's a turd that opens on a tugboat.

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A lot of fake laughs today.

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This is a, this is a huge fake laughs per minute, uh, game right here.

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FPMs are high.

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Um, so major league came out in 1989.

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Uh, major league two came out in 1994.

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And then major league back to the miners came out in 1998 that did not have Charlie Sheen

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in it.

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But I mean, it is the third major league movie that already exists.

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Was that a prequel though?

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I don't know.

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I know.

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It's not cause it's back to the miners.

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Cause they go back to the miners.

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Yeah.

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But also, I mean, it is, it is like, I mean, I'm splitting hairs a little bit cause there

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already is a third film, but they did suggest making a proper sequel since that one did

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so poorly.

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It was really bad.

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Um, so it's just a, it's just a minor point that the third movie does already exist.

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It was really weird in back to the miners whenever the, uh, disgraced nuclear physicist

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was murdered trying to buy a, uh, is that a different movie?

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I think it might be.

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Okay.

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The death card does get thrown.

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I don't know.

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Anyway, in this next clip, Alex asks Charlie, she in the $64,000 question, uh, which is

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why did you decide to come and do this on info wars?

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That is a really big question.

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And I can answer that in a different way than he does.

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My answer would be, yeah, I figured the stakes are low, you know, I figured right.

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If you're going to do something like this, it's a safe bet that most people aren't going

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to pay attention to Alex's show, but you forget that your own celebrity, in this case, Charlie

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Sheen's own celebrity is going to elevate this Alex Jones thing, uh, which would be

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down here to another level and people are going to pay attention to it.

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Well, also he did ask if they were live.

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So to, to my mind, what I hear there is Alex is calling me or Alex told me that I should

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call him and it turns out he meant that it's an interview and I didn't really realize that

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until it was too late.

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It's possible that his perceptions were that it was not a show.

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Yeah, I think, I think that's kind of what I'm, that's kind of what I'm getting here.

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And that's not to say that Alex tricked him or anything, although that is certainly a

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possibility.

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Certainly a possibility.

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If that's the case, then this is even worse, but be that as it may, that question gets

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brought up.

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The idea that Alex did trick him then adds the truth that Alex Jones ruined Charlie Sheen's

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career almost single handedly.

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Charlie Sheen did it to himself, but Alex has a role to play in it by allowing this

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to happen.

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Yeah.

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Any professional would absolutely not allow that.

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So anyway, that question gets asked and then we get another one of those, uh, big old catch

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phrases from this period.

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Why did you decide to, uh, you know, basically unleash yourself here on this broadcast?

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Because I'm just, um, I don't know why, why give an interview when you can leave a warning,

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you know, that it's just not, um, I'm just not a, I'm not fair game.

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I'm not a, I'm not a soft target.

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It's over.

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There's a new, uh, there's a new sheriff in town and he has an army of assassins.

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Oh, we must speak of the Vatican assassins.

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Yes.

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I, I, I, I don't read anything after it comes out because I will not, I will not waste my

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precious time on, on, on, on such ridiculous nonsense.

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But I understand according to you that there was a lot of curiosity about the Vatican assassin.

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Um, and I'm like, guys, it's right there in the thing, we murder people, we're Vatican

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assassin.

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How complicated can it be?

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Oh my gosh.

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No, what they're not ready for is guys like you and I and nails and all the other gnarly

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gnarlings in my life, um, that we are high priest, uh, Vatican assassin, warlocks, that

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people see where that goes.

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So throughout the context of this episode, it's pretty clear that this is an inside joke

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between him and Alex.

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Like I know that a lot of people made a lot of hay out of the Vatican assassins and that

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like maybe he actually thought that Vatican assassins were after him, uh, and what have

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you.

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Uh, I don't know if that's the case.

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I think I, I, I kind of leaning towards what you're saying there as well from the context

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I'm able to glean from this episode, it appears that it's just probably something that they

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laughed about privately and then decided to talk about on air as if it, and it might be

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something a trolling, it's something that they thought about while they were all doing

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a lot of coke together in Charlie Sheen's house.

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That's entirely possible.

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So you know, when you do coke, you don't end up just doing nothing.

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Sometimes you watch movies, right?

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Or hang out with Lenny Dykstra nails.

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Anytime anybody does coke, Lenny Dykstra shows up.

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Hey guys.

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It's weird.

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Yeah.

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So in this next clip, um, uh, although I think he might be in jail now, I'm pretty sure he's

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in jail.

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I've lost track of nails.

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Oh, nails is in jails.

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Uh, so in this next clip we get a weird breakdown of apocalypse now, uh, is that the movie he

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was watching?

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It might've been.

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Um, and so in this next clip, uh, we get Charlie's very bizarre take on a apocalypse now.

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All right.

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Uh, uh, getting into apocalypse now, also I'm getting it from the chat room, uh, from

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Nikki gifts that Lenny Dykstra is out of prison.

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Oh, good.

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Congratulations.

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Nails.

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Not, not good, but good for him.

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Sure.

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It's one of the things, it's probably my favorite movie.

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I know it's yours.

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Of course your dad stars in it.

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You were there for months during the production of it, put a big mark on your, uh, soul, uh,

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apocalypse now, my friend.

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I mean, there's not much you can say other than genius, uh, represents life apocalypse

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will teach you how to, how to live inside of a moment between a moment.

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And that's where life is because, you know, I'm not just, I'm not just, you know, captain

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Willard and not just my dad and I'm, you know, heading up the river to kill another part

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of me, which is courage.

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Uh, I am every character in between, save for that little weirdo with his gut strapped

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in begging for water.

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That's not me.

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I feel like that's actually, but you know, there are parts of me that are that is hopper

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because my, my, my, my motto now is you either love or you hate and you must do so violently.

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And the reason you must hate violently is because, and you have to hate everybody that's

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not in your family because they're there to destroy your family and they will, and it

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will come at you in all forms and shapes.

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And therefore there's nothing in the middle.

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I don't live in the middle anymore.

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That's where you get slaughtered.

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That's where you get embarrassed in front of the prom queen.

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And I just, it's just not, it's just not an option.

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So you know, within that is, is, is tremendous focus and tremendous clarity and tremendous

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peace because you have absolute and total resolve about your decisions.

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If you love with violence and you hate with violence, there's nothing that can be questioned.

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So that's an interesting take on Apocalypse Now.

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I don't think that was Joseph Campbell's point, but I don't, I don't think so.

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He wrote Heart of Darkness.

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I don't think he was a, I don't think he was like a, you know what this is about.

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Everyone's trying to destroy your family except those in your family.

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Therefore you must hate and love violently.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Colonel Kurtz.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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I got it.

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I don't, I mean, I don't, I don't like that.

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I don't like that as a philosophy.

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I'll just leave it at that.

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I don't like that as a way to look at the world.

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I wonder how Martin Sheen's, I wonder how Charlie's doing now.

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Do you think he's doing okay?

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Uh, no, sort of.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I mean, Martin is, Martin's on that show with Charlie Sheen or I'm talking, I'm talking

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about Martin Sheen and I was, yeah, he's old and he's still on that show with the, the,

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the one where it turns out they're gay and they were married to their best friends or

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whatever.

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It's, it's on Netflix.

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It's a good, it's actually pretty fun.

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I don't know the show you're talking about, I don't have Netflix, but it's pretty good.

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Sure.

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I believe you.

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Also, it's Joseph Conrad.

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You're getting shit on.

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Oh yeah, I know.

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You're getting dunked on in the chat room.

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Completely, completely forgot.

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Yeah.

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Completely forgot.

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Similar enough names.

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Yeah, no, I, I messed up.

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That's a gimme.

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Um, yeah.

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I don't know, man.

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My bad.

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Misspoke.

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Also, it's Grace and Frankie is the show.

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See, there we go.

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This is why the chat room is here.

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Very helpful.

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To just correct my dumb shit.

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Yeah.

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So, yeah, no, so, so I know Emilio Estevez is doing great, uh, starring in, uh, Major

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League Four.

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Sure.

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Coming out soon.

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Sure.

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I'm just wondering, like, if you're, if you're still Martin Sheen and you're still famous

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and you're still doing, you're still working.

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Yeah.

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And your son, uh, has exploded his career in everything about his life.

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Yeah.

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How, how do you react to that?

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Like, I know they don't have a particularly close relationship.

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I imagine it's tough to watch.

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Yeah, right?

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I would assume.

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I don't know.

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Because also you have to consider, too, that, like, you know, as we sort of laid out in

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very rough details, you know, certainly not a full picture, but Charlie Sheen has a history

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of domestic violence dating back to 1989 or whatever, and he's been in, in and out of

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rehab since around that time.

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So like, as a parent, you kind of probably, diminished expectations, perhaps, perhaps.

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I think that you kind of have to, for your own protection, like, understand that there's

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just, there's just a reality here.

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And there's, there's nothing worse than when a parent has to bury their child's career.

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That's really tough.

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That's tragic.

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So, um, there are a number of people in the world who have had substance abuse issues

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and have been able to turn their life around through the help of the program.

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There are a number of people who advocate for alternative programs.

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Certainly there's, you know, AA isn't the only way to go, or NA.

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There are other non-faith-based sort of organizations.

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Even AA isn't really a religious organization, although that criticism is thrown around a

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lot because of the higher power component, which a lot of people misrepresent and misunderstand

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to mean that you have to believe in God or any of that stuff.

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But Charlie Sheen does not like AA.

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Okay.

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That sounds right.

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Okay, so this next clip, he says some, some bad stuff about AA.

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Well, Charlie, I mean, I tell you, it is amazing.

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And I just appreciate you coming on today.

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So folks can really hear the, the energized, unleashed Charlie Sheen.

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You wanted to talk about AA because, you know, when I was at your house, I said, man, great

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job being completely sober.

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And you know, how important was it?

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That's a term from those people and I've cleansed myself, I close my eyes and then it's a nanosecond.

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I cured myself from this ridiculous model of disease and addiction and obsession.

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It's just, it's just the work of sissies.

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The only thing I'm addicted to right now is winning.

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You know, this bootleg cult, you know, arrogantly referred to as Alcoholics Anonymous, Alex

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supports a 5% success rate.

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My success rate is 100%.

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Do the math.

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All right.

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Take for instance its founder at death, broken down plagiarist, stayed high on acid until

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the day he died.

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I can't seem to find that chapter in his silly book of lies.

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To be fair, acid isn't necessarily a drug of abuse, you know, in the same way that alcohol,

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cocaine is.

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There's not really a, you can't really do it all the time.

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It's really hard to do all the time.

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Most people will never have to even come close to the idea of being addicted to LSD.

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But be that as it may, he does make a valid point that...

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That's actually a really good question.

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Have you heard of anybody who was addicted to LSD?

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No, I've known some people who did too much.

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But not addicted, certainly.

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It's the same thing with like mushrooms and stuff.

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You can't do too much of it.

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Your body just won't allow you to and if you do a bunch of it, it'll stop having as much

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of an effect.

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Right.

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And you'll just naturally be like, eh, I'm gonna stop.

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Yeah.

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It doesn't trigger the same addictive brain chemicals.

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I don't understand it fully, I'm not a doctor.

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But no, I've never known anyone who's been addicted to psychedelics, let's say.

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Yeah, that'd be a strange thing to be addicted to.

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Again, people who do too much with them.

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You can absolutely do too many.

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Yeah, you're going to too many jam band festivals, you do too much.

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Damn, there's no such thing as too many jam band festivals.

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I was trying to work that into some sort of a Jeff Foxworthy set up.

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If you go to too many jam band festivals, you might do too much acid.

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It's not good.

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No, it's not good.

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It doesn't have the right rhythm.

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Nope.

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Nope.

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I just did a bad bit.

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Yep.

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So I would suggest that his rhetoric about AA is unhelpful.

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I would suggest that based on everything, he did not cure himself of addiction in a

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nanosecond.

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Yeah, 100% might be high for him.

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It's the kind of thinking that you...

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I mean, at the very least, at this point in time, he's like one for three.

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Even if he's correct this time, he's already been addicted multiple times in the past.

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No, I mean, if you count the failed attempts at rehab and stuff like that, then you...

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Here's the thing, that's why that 5% success rate that he's citing for AA, AA does have

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a pretty low success rate as a whole.

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It's about equal to people who decide to quit on their own and that success rate, mainly

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because addiction does require a lot of personal will in order to break.

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And so regardless of whether or not you have a program of support to you, you know...

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And there's a couple of pieces to it, too, that are important that everyone who goes through recovery

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knows that relapse is a part of recovery.

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And you're going to end up failing at some point, what's important is just getting back

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on track.

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And then beyond that, it's anonymous.

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And I don't know if you're able to really get a good statistical... a perfectly accurate

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portrait.

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That's a good point.

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And I think the success rate is lower than we would hope it would be.

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But leaving people within their own addictions, that usually leads to death or prison.

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So I'll take a 5% success rate if that's what it is.

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Better than zero.

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Yeah, and then work towards something better.

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Like I think things like Ibogaine and stuff like that, I don't know enough about it, but

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I've heard some people suggesting that it's a very powerful cure for addictions.

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Sounds culty.

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Well, it's like a very heavy hallucinogen.

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Oh, okay.

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In the same way that you hear people talking about how going and doing ayahuasca cured

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them of cigarette addiction and stuff like that, I don't know.

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I think it's possible.

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There have been plenty of people who have started making the claim that taking LSD is

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a way of kind of lessening your symptoms of bipolar disease.

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That's something that I've read a lot about and how a lot of people have said that they

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haven't had to deal with as stringent a program after that.

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Or even like ecstasy helping with PTSD.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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There's all sorts of things that I'm, you know, it's outside of necessarily like...

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Our frame of study.

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Right.

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Appropriate medicine in quotes, but I think there's possibilities.

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Anyway, my point is that this is stupid, but he's saying stupid.

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But there is a world of recovery outside of AA, and I would rather him espouse that sort

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of rhetoric as opposed to these stupid assholes I cured myself in a nanosecond, and the guy

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who ran the organization was an idiot.

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Well, I mean...

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The thing that I think about listening to this kind of talk, which clearly he's at the

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very least having a manic episode throughout this whole period of time, I look at that

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and I see what it is that sycophants do to those kinds of people.

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You mean in the form of Alex?

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Yeah.

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Alex taking that embodiment.

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And not just Alex, but all of the people around him at that time.

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Sure.

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Nails.

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Yeah, nails especially.

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Giving him that kind of ego and narcissism and allowing that to spread, allowing that

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to be as far and wide as possible.

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If you are Charlie Sheen, you have a massive platform to say something positive, and because

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you're surrounded by these sycophants who tell you that everything you say is positive,

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to you, that is a positive thing to say.

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What he's saying is, I am opening people's eyes.

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In the same way that Alex Jones is surrounded by those sycophants who just, oh, everything

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you do is the greatest possible thing.

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You're saving the republic.

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Exactly.

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So now all of the negative shit that you are putting out is viewed by you as something

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that you're doing to help people.

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It's a bigger thing.

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Yeah.

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It's nonsense.

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And it's like, to these guys, it's like, oh, this is tough love.

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I need to break you free of this concept of being a better person.

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You're never going to be a better person.

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You're not part of my family.

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Right.

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And so I am killing you.

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You're trying to destroy my family.

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Exactly.

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So, Jordan.

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The CIA is trying to kill Charlie Sheen's family.

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I think he probably thinks that.

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So you know, Alex Jones fancies himself a classical liberal.

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He likes to call himself a classical liberal.

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And often talks about how he's a liberal in the Thomas Jefferson mold.

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Right.

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In his next clip, Charlie Sheen says something really weird about Thomas Jefferson.

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Okay.

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Don't be one of us.

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Newsflash, I am special and I will never be one of you.

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There it is.

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You sound like Thomas Jefferson.

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Well, I'm not Thomas Jefferson.

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He was a pussy.

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No, but I dare anyone to debate me on things.

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Okay.

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All right.

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All right.

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I would have thought...

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This is kind of where I expect you to be like, all right, now we're going to get into all

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of the fights that Thomas Jefferson won over the years.

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Well, I would expect Alex to be like, you're now inviting a debate and you have insulted

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someone who I think is the most important founding father and I am in line with him.

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This is one of those...

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Alex has no actual principles other than if I want you to like me, I will agree with everything

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you say.

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Yeah.

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And there's barely him doing any heavy lifting at all or trying to lead the conversation

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into greener pastures.

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He's just like doing his fake laugh.

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And sometimes I think there's a sincere laugh and then just being like, hey, what about

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that new tattoo of yours?

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And I've been over to your house, you're totally sober.

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Just allowing him to play himself out like this.

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Charlie, Charlie, spray bullets everywhere.

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I'm loving it.

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Yeah.

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And then he even allows him to do this.

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He just allows him to read a note from one of his goddesses on the air that is about

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nothing.

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Listen to this shit.

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But Charlie, you've got a note that you wanted to read here on air.

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Yeah.

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Yes, I do.

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And it's from one of my goddesses.

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It's from the Natty.

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And it just says, this is, this is how blessed and perfect my insane life is.

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My monkey man, my King, my high priest, Ninja warlock, I love you violently with the fire

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of 1000 suns.

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Thank you for sharing your wisdom, experience, Jedi mind powers, amazing humor and unconditional

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love.

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I am truly honored to not walk behind nor in front of you, but by your side and with

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a capital C.

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I don't know why that should be on Alex's show.

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I don't understand.

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He's completely lost control of the interview.

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Like it's just, it's just nonsense.

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It's just allowing Charlie Sheen to be weird in public.

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Well, yeah, that's what he wants.

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Yeah.

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That is him controlling the interview.

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Yeah.

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To some extent, if, if, if, if, because if Charlie stopped doing that, if Charlie really

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just kind of calmed it down and was like, let's talk about the globalists, Alex would

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be pissed.

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Probably.

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And Alex is like, no, the reason I got you onto the show is to be a fucking lunatic cause

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that's, what's going to get people to notice me.

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And it worked beyond Alex's possible imagination.

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Um, so in this next clip, we talk a little bit about poetry and, uh, Charlie, she has

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some interesting thoughts about poetry.

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Also, they got to work on adjectives and sure, yeah, titles, Jedi mind, you know, one of

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my favorite poets is Eminem, one of the smartest cats alive, inspire me, you know, to stay

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violent.

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Oof.

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I don't like that sentence.

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I do not like that sentence one bit.

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Eminem inspires me to stay violent.

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That's what I like in my poet.

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Uh, and then Alex goes into like, you know, he, uh, said stuff about nine 11.

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Isn't that cool?

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Now flash forward.

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I guess it's better that he said Eminem inspires him to stay violent instead of being like

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one of my favorite poets is Emily Dickinson.

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She really inspires me to stay violent.

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It's like, whoa, what poems are you reading?

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So you got one more clip.

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Like I said, after a while, Lenny Dykstra comes in and we're not going to listen to

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anything.

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It's just nonsense.

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Um, but in this clip, uh, Alex makes clear Charlie Sheen's got a job and Charlie, you

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will be back at work Tuesday.

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I'll be early.

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I don't sleep.

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I wait.

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I know you don't sleep.

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As long as I get text from you, you know, at 3 a.m. your time, you are, you are certainly

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on fire.

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My friend.

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That's not good.

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You know who sends texts at three in the morning, three in the morning, your time that's people

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on cocaine.

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Yeah.

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So he may have gone back to work on that Tuesday, uh, in February, but, uh, Charlie, uh, got

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in trouble, uh, and got fired.

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His contract was terminated with two and a half men on March 7th, 2011, three days later

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on March 10th, Charlie announced a nationwide tour called my violent torpedo of truth.

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The Detroit opening night show sold out in 18 minutes, but a closer look revealed that

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at least a thousand of the tickets had been bought by a third party reseller and were

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being sold at cut rate prices, terribly cut rate prices.

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On April 2nd, his Detroit show happened, which was the opener of the tour and it was a mess.

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His opening act was a standup comedian.

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He got booed off stage.

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About 20 minutes after, that's not a good gig, no, that's not a good gig gathering

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of the juggalos, which spoiler alert that year, Charlie Sheen hosted.

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I did not know that those are the two that gigs I don't want as a standup.

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I have no interest in that.

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I knew a guy who, uh, or I, no, I think I, he might be dead.

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Uh, the, he went around opening for screech, like that was his gig and it was, he would

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describe it as, Oh, it's the best gig.

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You go to casinos, you have to do 10 minutes, you get paid plenty of money.

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And very shortly thereafter, he was a, a party to screeches, uh, violence, uh, and such.

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So yeah, I mean the money part is nice if you don't care about all the stuff that comes

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along with it.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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But, um, I have to drive around with screech all day.

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That does not sound fun.

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Opening for the violent torpedo of truth tour in Detroit, uh, seems equally bad.

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Yeah.

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I want to know who that guy.

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I want to know which comic that I probably could have figured out, but I didn't want

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to look into it just in case, uh, well, not that, but like, even if like saying his name

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is it feels shitty, you know, in the same way that talking about the people who are

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in Charlie Sheen's life, who aren't named Lenny Dykstra feels really shitty because

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in some ways maybe their actions were complicit in like enabling him and stuff like that.

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But I don't feel, I don't, I don't feel like it's necessary to point a finger at them.

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No, I mean, just the, I mean, I'm more interested in, now I'm like, I think I would take that

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gig, right?

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You got to take that gig.

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For the story?

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To open up for Charlie Sheen, cause maybe it's a great gig.

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I hope.

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Either way, you're opening up for Charlie Sheen losing his fucking mind.

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I would hope, what I would like to do is I get that invitation, I say, no, but Jordan's

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perfect for it.

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And then I come along.

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And I watch and join in booing you off stage.

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Oh man, it'd be so good.

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That would be the most satisfying booed off stage of my life.

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So I'm just trying to track the, the sort of causal relationship between things.

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Alex has Charlie Sheen on the show to ramble for 40 minutes like an idiot.

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Um, and it, which, uh, during, during which time he calls Chuck Lorre, Chaim, Chaim Levine

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and throws very dog-whistly Jewish insults at him and just acts like a crazy person.

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And it does end up going viral and it leads to him getting fired.

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And I mean, his behavior after the fact didn't help.

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Like when they were saying they were going to fire him, he insisted he should get a raise

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instead.

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Sort of like Socrates.

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So you know, Alex didn't do all of it, but it started this ball down the road.

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I guess actually probably the having to halt production to go to rehab.

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That was probably where it began.

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That certainly plays a part in it, but I think a lot of it could have been smoothed out if

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you didn't go on a national radio show and say those things about Chuck Lorre and then

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also say he won't do his job.

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I turn his tin cans into gold and stuff like that.

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I think that you could probably undo the damage that you do to halting production because

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of your addiction problems.

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I think you could probably smooth that out.

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But this is too far.

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Well, because this is the reason that he kept going.

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Probably because he got positive reinforcement from this.

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This went viral.

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Now everybody wants to talk to him about the interview that he did, and that gave him even

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a larger platform to say his crazy nonsense.

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And then Alex Jones goes on The View to publicly defend him, which stokes the fires even further.

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So anyway, he gets fired and then almost immediately introduces this tour.

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And so he goes on this tour, and I want to talk a little bit more about The Detroit Show.

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It's such a disaster.

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Like I said, his opening act gets booed off stage because everyone's like, what the fuck

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is going on here?

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Because it was supposed to have a raucous party, rock star atmosphere, and I don't want

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to hear this guy do puns.

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Audiences turned immediately.

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About 20 minutes after the actual show starts, the boos start being directed at Charlie because

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he's just rambling a bunch of bullshit.

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He starts the show off playing like weird video packages and stuff and having his goddesses

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come out on stage, and people are just not fucking into it.

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They start booing at him about 20 minutes in, which is pretty quick.

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That's rude.

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You would think that as just a celebrity would have a grace period of more than 20, but it

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turns out you don't.

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So in response to all the boos, he says, quote, I already got your money, dude, which does

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not make the crowd happier.

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No.

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At one point, Sheen says he's going to, quote, tell some stories about crack.

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I figured Detroit was a good place to tell some crack stories.

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This comment, not surprisingly, does not go over well.

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Quote, show of hands, who here has tried crack?

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A few people raised their hands.

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Quote, I don't do crack anymore, but this is a good fucking night to do some crack.

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The audience boos.

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All right, all right.

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About an hour in, people start walking out as Charlie composes a tweet on stage.

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Later, Charlie plays a rap track he made with Snoop Dogg.

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They had said that Snoop would be there, but he was a no-show because he was performing

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at the Nickelodeon Kids' Choice Awards that night, which is a tragic night.

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How far away was that from Detroit?

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It was in Los Angeles.

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So he wasn't going to be able to make it even after the show is taped?

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No.

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OK.

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So the sort of elephant in the room and the thing that we've not really addressed too

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much is that in 2015, Charlie Sheen came out and publicly acknowledged that he was HIV

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positive.

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Oh, that's right.

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And that a lot of the stuff about the chaos in his life, I believe he's traced some of

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it towards there being a parallel path of some of that, like dealing with the diagnosis

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and stuff like that.

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His personal life and all that, the stuff as it relates to that, I don't really want

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to touch.

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Right.

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I feel very weird talking about any of that.

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I don't know.

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You read about people's personal private lives and you hear something that's pretty messed

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up.

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You hear their side of it.

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I just don't want to engage with it.

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It's not really important for our show.

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But when he was coming out and publicly talking about that, he would go on to claim that the

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entire episode of his tiger blood stuff, the I have poetry coming out of my fingers, Vatican

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assassins nonsense, it was all about roid rage.

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And quote, speaking to the ABC News, Good Morning America, Sheen said of this period

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in his life, quote, it's fun to kind of watch sometimes, but also it's just a little cringeable.

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It's like, dude, what the hell was that?

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I was doing way too much testosterone cream, trying to get the old libido up.

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He added, quote, it metabolizes into basically a roid rage.

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That whole odyssey, that was basically an accidental roid rage.

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I mean, is that possible?

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I doubt it.

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It doesn't feel like a thing.

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I feel like he's probably doing a ton of coke.

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Yeah.

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I feel like.

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That feels right.

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Yeah.

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But also he probably was doing this testosterone cream.

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Yeah.

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So I just want to just leave with that or sort of.

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I mean, at the same time, that almost makes as much sense because you see a guy like him,

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you know, aging.

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You can see his fame and all the shit that he's going through and all of that.

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And apparently he's got multiple porn stars around him all the time with Brooke there.

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Brooke Shields?

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Is that who?

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No.

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Brooke Mueller.

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Brooke Mueller.

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Sure.

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I think his third wife.

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I mean, you can definitely see the expectations that he would place upon himself.

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And then of course the insecurity and all of that stuff.

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Like he's trying to turn himself into far more of a man.

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The man that he projects himself to be.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And when you start using all this language of like, you know, I hate to keep using tiger

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blood, but sort of the, I think it's the title of the era in his life, certainly.

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The Tiger Blood Years.

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That is projecting an image of masculinity that a normal person would, it would be impossible

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to live up to.

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Especially someone who's like 50, 55, 60, I don't know how old he is, he was probably

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50.

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Anyway, the other thing that I want to point out is that maybe one of the reasons that

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Alex Jones doesn't want to necessarily publicly talk so much about them being friends.

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Although I don't agree with your assessment that he has thrown him under the bus.

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I'm not, wait, what do you mean?

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You said, you were suggesting at the beginning of the show that they're not like as good

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of friends anymore or anything like that, because he does still bring him up from time

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to time.

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Okay.

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But like the reason that I think he doesn't go around and like flaunt that like I had

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Charlie Sheen on and that caused all this was because of how negatively it all played

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out and because now in present day he's blaming it on artificial testosterone boosters, which

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is Alex Jones' main business.

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That's a good point.

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I think that if Charlie Sheen is talking about how cringey it is to look back at this period

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of his life because of testosterone products giving him roid rage, that kind of undercut

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super male vitality to a certain extent.

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Or at least indicates that hey, maybe Alex's behavior is due to that sort of thing too.

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And I think the parallels are shockingly easy to trace.

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So anyway, I think that this is an interesting piece of Alex Jones' history.

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It was, I think this is a little more uncomfortable to listen to than I expected it to be.

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You know, I really, like this reminds me of where we were whenever all of this stuff was

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happening.

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So innocent.

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I just remember-

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Such an innocent time.

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I just remember I couldn't partake in that.

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No.

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Like I feel the same way right now.

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Like I want to, I want to have the distance to start to find this funny again.

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But this really just makes me feel burning sympathy.

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Like this is a man destroying himself.

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And the fact that a lot of people laughed at him about it is, like at the same time

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he's a fucking dumb ass celebrity who can die.

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I don't give a shit.

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You need to be intellectually fair.

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You and I both got a good laugh out of the first one's a piss test, the next one's going

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in your mouth.

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That's great.

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That is pretty great.

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That's a good line.

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That's a good line.

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Yeah.

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That would have been a great line for the Detroit show.

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That would have been-

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The next one's going in your mouth and it won't get you high.

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Yeah, that one's good.

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That's a keeper.

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I like that one.

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Yeah.

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That would not have got the opening act booed off stage.

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That's a solid bet.

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So anyway, this has been fun.

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But in the end, also ultimately uncomfortable and tragic.

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Anyway-

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Knowledge fight.

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Yeah.

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That's on our, that's our tagline.

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Yeah.

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Uncomfortable and tragic.

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Pretty fun though.

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Thank you all for listening.

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If you'd like more of the show, you can find it at knowledgefight.com.

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You can go to what?

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You could go to iTunes.

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Can you?

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You could go to Twitter.

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Yep.

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Knowledge underscore fight on Twitter.

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Also, we're on Facebook.

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And we are doing the March Madness bracket.

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You can vote on the religious sound bites that we had today in the Facebook group.

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Go home and tell your mother you're brilliant.

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And then I suppose, I mean, there's really only one person today.

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I think I know who you're going to say.

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Do you?

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I think I do.

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Cause go fuck yourself Lenny Dykstra.

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I had a hunch it was going to be nails.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.