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    | title         = [[984: Formulaic Objections Part 16]]
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    | episodeNumber = [[984: Formulaic Objections Part 16|984]]
    | length        = 01:19:22
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    | text      = I don't wanna hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.
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    | text      = Thank you so much.
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    | text      = Eh, thank you very much.
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    | text      = So, uh, obviously this, uh, was a shooting, mass shooting that happened-
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = ... in 2023.
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    | text      = Um, probably... uh, I, I, it was, it's a big deal, but maybe less, uh, regularly present in our minds-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ... uh, in the scale of mass shootings. Uh, a
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    | text      = lot of the depositions that we've done have been about, uh, the Sandy Hook, uh, case.
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    | text      = Of course.
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    | text      = And so this, this one, I'll give you a little bit of a refresher on what happened.
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    | text      = Uh, on May 6th, 2023, there was a mass shooting at a mall in Allen, Texas, leading to the deaths of eight people
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    | text      = plus the shooter. In the time immediately after the shooting, ame- uh, information
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    | text      = started to come out about the identity of the shooter, namely that he was someone who had an online
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    | text      = footprint full of Nazi tattoos and racist
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    | text      = right-wing writing. There were indications that he had reposted content from Tim Pool and Libs of TikTok
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    | text      = and endorsed Nick Fuentes and VDARE. In short, he s- he swam in the same information space where Alex
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    | timestamp = 00:09:14.722
    | text      = and his ilk make their money. This posed an optics problem for these people, since carrying out a racially
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    | text      = motivated mass shooting is kind of the logical
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    | text      = conclusion of a lot of their content. It's not
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    | text      = good for business when someone carries out the domestic terrorism you're trying to incite, so when this
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    | text      = happens, Alex and the people in his orbit will always call it a false flag. So that's what they did.
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    | text      = As pictures, uh, started to circulate of the shooter's online history and Nazi
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    | text      = tattoos, it became important to undermine that narrative so it didn't take hold.
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    | text      = Nazis aren't supposed to be a real thing or
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    | text      = problem, according to Nazi apologists, so a guy with, like, SS tattoos killing eight
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    | text      = people in a racially motivated attack, that's not good for business. That can't exist.
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    | text      = The angle that many of these right-wing media figures decided to take was to
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    | text      = google the alleged shooter's name,
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    | text      = at which point they found another person with the
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    | text      = same name who didn't have Nazi tattoos. The story started to become that this second
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    | text      = person they'd found was the real shooter
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    | text      = and that the guy with Nazi tattoos was just another
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    | text      = guy and that the media was trying to say that he was the shooter
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    | text      = so they could make the story about a Nazi to make Trump people
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    | text      = look bad. It was important to invalidate the story that this guy was a Nazi
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    | text      = extremist because, uh, as the risk of making normal people associate Nazi extremist murderers
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    | text      = with their content model. And once the larger population starts taking that seriously, the money train
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    | text      = might end up slowing down or stopping.
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    | text      = And that leads us to the next day on Owen's show, where he
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    | text      = showed the pictures of the wrong person, identifying them as the Allen mall shooter
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    | text      = in order to deflect from stories that the actual shooter was a Nazi dude who liked Tim Pool. And
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    | text      = so that's, that's where, uh, Owen, uh, gets on air on that Sunday, uh, and misidentifies-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ... this person.
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    | text      = It's pretty i- you know, honestly, in terms of, like, what happened, it's a pretty clear-cut, uh, thing of-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ... like, you misidentified this person.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Um, so yeah. He has a difficult position to, to begin from.
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    | text      = Right. Right. It's almost like
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    | text      = sometimes it feels like things should just happen-
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = ... in respon- you know? Like, oh, you did the thing, and then the mousetrap lands, instead of, like, oh,
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    | text      = now we gotta figure stuff out. You know what I mean?
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    | text      = Well, and this w- this one also seems like, uh, a situation where Owen would stand very, uh, li- uh, e-
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    | text      = stands to lose very little by just being an adult and being like,
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    | text      = "Look, there's some, uh, made some mistake here."
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = You know? I mean, I think he doesn't, because he understands how much it implicates
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    | text      = how everything he does is a mistake.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = Uh, but, you know, that pride doesn't seem all that important to maintain here.
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    | text      = Yeah, it does feel like sometimes you can just say, "I chunked it," and everybody will scratch it and move on.
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = You know? Like, even if, even if they're,
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    | text      = even if you're worried that people are going to, like, hold your feet to the fire, I think they're not. Uh,
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    | text      = and t- at least that's the experience we've had so far. So just be like, "Eh, I chunked it. Moving on."
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = You know?
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = It's, it's, it seems easier than they're making it.
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    | text      = Ye- I think so.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = So we start and, uh, yeah. I feel like I've, I've begun to
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    | text      = notice that most of these depositions, they begin with a, uh,
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    | text      = question of, "What did you do to prepare for this?"
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    | text      = Oh, God.
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    | text      = Which I always find interesting, because everybody minimizes it.
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    | text      = Hm.
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    | text      = They don't wanna be like, "I have read everything."
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    | text      = Right. Right, right, right.
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    | text      = (laughs) Because then they have to take responsibility for knowing all of that stuff.
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    | text      = Eeh, that's no good.
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    | text      = So Owen basically did nothing.
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    | text      = Mr. Shroyer, when were you first told you were giving a deposition in this case?
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    | text      = (sighs)
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    | text      = Boy, I don't know the exact date.
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    | text      = Um,
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    | text      = do you recall when it would have been?
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    | text      = Unfortunately, she's, uh, not able to help you out.
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    | text      = No, I don't know the exact date.
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    | text      = Okay. Uh, w- um, I'm guessing sometime in the past couple weeks, then?
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    | text      = I would say maybe a month-
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = ... I've known.
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    | text      = Um, who have you spoken to about this deposition?
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    | text      = My attorney
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    | text      = (sighs) and I believe that's it.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = Did you review any documents before the deposition?
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Can you describe what documents you reviewed?
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    | text      = An affidavit that I signed for this case and then, uh, two videos that are relevant to this case.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = I would take it those would be, um,
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    | text      = the May 7th and May 8th episodes of your show?
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    | text      = It is the episode pertaining
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    | text      = to the original
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    | text      = documents you sent me and then the retraction video.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = So right off the bat, you kind of get a combative tone from Owen.
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    | text      = He doesn't want to be there, and I think that as we go through this, the reason is super clear.
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    | text      = He has run out of excuses for his actions, and he kind of knows that Mark doesn't really have any
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    | text      = super meaningful questions for him. Like, on some level, they've done this
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    | text      = deposition already the last time when Bill big-dogged him with the gummy worms.
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    | text      = Yep.
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    | text      = And, uh, c- 'cause it,
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    | text      = you know, it, it's, it's impossible to enter this
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    | text      = without recognizing that it's like, ah, this is a... you made the same error here.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = You made the same mistake.
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    | text      = Yep.
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    | text      = We're doing a, we're doing another one of these.
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    | text      = Run it back.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = You've already had this conversation with the same lawyers.
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    | text      = Yeah. It is, it is interesting, because
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    | text      = when you listen to it now, as compared to the last one
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    | text      = that we listened to, I feel like Owen has learned some of the language
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    | text      = better-
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = ... of the, of the, like, the, the deposition language kind of thing.
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    | text      = But not in a way of understanding the language. More like in a way of, if I make the same sounds back at them,
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    | text      = then they'll think that I'm... You know what I mean?
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = You know? It's not like he d- he doesn't understand the meaning of the word pertains, or, you k-
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    | text      = that kind of thing, but he knows that this is the type of word you use here.
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    | text      = I think he maybe has a bit more confidence, too, 'cause I, I think maybe he's, uh,
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    | text      = on the other side of going to the, the prison.
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    | text      = Yeah. That's a good point.
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    | text      = He's done time, so he's, uh-
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    | text      = (laughs) He's...
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    | text      = ... he's a new man.
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    | text      = I did my nickel.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = (laughs)
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    | text      = So the question comes up of, uh, hey, man. Are you a, are you a journalist?
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = As far as your background, um, you are a journalist who provides news coverage?
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    | text      = Uh, I am a broadcaster. Yes.
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    | text      = Okay. Well, I mean, what I'm referring to is, did you see in your legal
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    | text      = papers in this case where it was claimed you were a journalist who provides news coverage?
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    | text      = I don't, I don't recall what
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    | text      = identities I was given in any legal papers.
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    | text      = You record an internet video show called The War Room.
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    | text      = I'm the host of the show. Yes.
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    | text      = Okay. Um, you have one boss, and that's Alex Jones?
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    | text      = Um, you could say that.
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    | text      = But Alex Jones doesn't personally oversee your show or preapprove what you say, right?
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    | text      = Not necessarily.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = And was, on the day that we're talking about in this case,
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    | text      = the video that you reviewed for May 7th, 2023,
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    | text      = did Alex Jones personally oversee or tell you what to say?
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    | text      = No.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = You're allowed to say what you want on your show?
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = You have people working under you on your show that you can give instructions to?
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = So, uh, just in the opening minutes of this thing, we have Owen refusing to accept the
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    | text      = risk of calling himself a journalist, even though his documents identify him as one and-
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    | text      = ... saying, uh, that everything he puts on his show is
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    | text      = under his control. Alex doesn't tell him what to say. He directs his own ship, and so
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    | text      = he is a man who is-... presumably responsible for the content that he puts out.
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    | text      = Yeah. Yeah, it is, uh, it's always fun. It's always fun, like,
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    | text      = moving into this arena and listening to them try and not say
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    | text      = what they, what everybody already knows, obviously.
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = Like, it just, just deny, "I don't know if the sun is
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    | text      = "Yeah, I don't, I don't know if I'd say Alex is my boss."
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    | text      = "Yeah, I mean, you know, you could say that. Anybody could say anything, really."
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And you're like, "Just, let's go. Come on, man."
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    | text      = "Just own something."
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    | text      = This could take five minutes if you'd just be like, "Ah, we'll do it."
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    | text      = Yeah. So, the general strategy that Owen is going to deploy, uh,
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    | text      = to, uh, justify his actions and, and everything, is
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    | text      = that, uh, they showed a picture of the shooter.
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    | text      = But it was just on a piece of paper that was on the desk.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = And he has no control over that.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = It's just there, right?
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = All r- ok- okay.
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    | text      = It's an, it's an interesting-
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    | text      = Anybody could have put it there.
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    | text      = Right?
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    | text      = Yeah, I mean it's like a planted piece of evidence. (laughs)
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    | text      = Yeah, there, it, he gets to work and there's all these papers on the desk, and that's not his fault.
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    | text      = Who coulda- it coulda been anybody.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And so, he, I think he thinks that this is gonna be a good defense.
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    | text      = (laughs)
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    | text      = But, uh, he's immediately countered with the implications of what he said.
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    | text      = Yeah, obviously.
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    | text      = Part of your show involves reviewing news articles and social media posts
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    | text      = that have been printed out on paper.
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    | text      = Correct?
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    | text      = Is that a question?
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    | text      = It is.
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    | text      = (laughs)
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    | text      = Um,
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    | text      = yeah, that's part of the show.
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    | text      = Part of your show involves displaying materials printed out from the internet
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    | text      = that you have never seen
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    | text      = and then commenting on them live.
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    | text      = Um,
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    | text      = that's happened before. That's not an integral part of the show.
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    | text      = That's what happened in this episode, correct?
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    | text      = Uh, not exactly, but, um, generally speaking, um, that's kind of what happened.
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    | text      = From what I understand of your affidavit,
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    | text      = you reviewed materials on this show relating to my client that you had never seen before.
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    | text      = Uh, reviewed what materials?
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    | text      = Well, for instance, the photo of my client that we're hearing about
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    | text      = today. You had never seen that before going on air.
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    | text      = No.
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    | text      = You had never reviewed any of those materials?
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    | text      = No, it was just sitting on the desk.
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    | text      = And you knew that there would be material sitting on the desk?
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    | text      = Uh, yeah, there are materials sitting on the desk.
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    | text      = And you may not have seen them or checked them before?
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    | text      = No.
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    | text      = So, in terms of
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    | text      = whether you might end up defaming someone on your
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    | text      = show, it's pretty much a Russian roulette situation as far as you're concerned?
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    | text      = No.
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    | text      = (laughs)
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    | text      = Well, I don't understand. If you have materials on your desk that you haven't
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    | text      = checked, how, how would you know what's in them?
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    | text      = Uh, they're not my materials, I'm not referencing those materials, I never touched those materials.
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    | text      = (laughs)
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    | text      = I haven't told anybody to put those materials on the air, on video.
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    | text      = Well, you know they're gonna be there, right?
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    | text      = No, I don't know what's gonna be there.
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    | text      = No, you know exactly, you, you know that stuff is gonna be on your desk but you don't know what it is.
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    | text      = Right?
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    | text      = (laughs)
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    | text      = Is that right?
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    | text      = Uh, yeah, I don't go through the thousands of papers on the desk
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    | text      = when I sit down for the Sunday show. I don't have time to.
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    | text      = So this is a tough spot for Owen to be in this early.
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    | text      = (laughs)
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    | text      = He obviously can't answer in either direction here without taking on really shitty conclusions.
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    | text      = (laughs)
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    | text      = If he claims that he reviews all the material that's on the
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    | text      = desk, which is the fodder for the show he does, then
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    | text      = he would need to own that he bears some responsibility for not
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    | text      = fact-checking the picture that was reported on identifying the wrong shooter.
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    | text      = In this scenario, he's able to maintain the facade that he's doing a real
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    | text      = show that's not just ranting about social media posts he's skimmed, but he also has to accept that
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    | text      = he made a mistake here. Conversely, if he claims that he doesn't look at all the prop paper on the
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    | text      = desk and has no idea what any of it is,
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    | text      = then maybe he feels like he can get away with reporting on this incorrect image, but it comes at the
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    | text      = expense of admitting that his show is really just ranting about social media posts
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    | text      = that he barely knows what they are. Take yourself seriously and admit you fucked
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    | text      = up, or take no responsibility by essentially admitting
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    | text      = that your whole game is a fraud? It's quite a pickle that he's accidentally
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    | text      = landed himself in, and I don't think
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    | text      = when he was saying, "I don't know this material, I don't, it's just in front of me."
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    | text      = God, I love that. (laughs)
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    | text      = "I, I, I can't have any responsibility for it," I don't think he was expecting Mark to reply with,
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    | text      = "So it's Russian roulette if you-"
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = "... defame somebody based on what is just randomly in front of you."
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so it could just be, it could just be crystals today.
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    | text      = Shit.
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    | text      = "Oh, we put, they put, they put a bunch of rocks on my desk today."
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    | text      = Ah.
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    | text      = "I suppose I'm gonna talk about rocks."
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    | text      = Fuck, that kind of does follow from the premises that we've established. Shit. Aw, damn it.
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    | text      = (laughs) Okay, so, so there's, they put a bunch of Greek pots on and I have to
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    | text      = try and interpret what the pictures mean in a story format. Uh, it's a weird day today, I guess, guys.
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    | text      = Hm. But that's because we do all the research and we study-
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    | text      = Right. (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... and we know this stuff backwards and forwards.
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    | text      = All right.
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    | text      = I love, I love the,
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    | text      = "I never touched it."
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = We touched it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Like, what, are we, are we in a drug sting? Is that what we're doing? (laughs)
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    | text      = And, I mean, obviously
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    | text      = there was no, like, securing of the scene or anything.
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    | text      = Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = But if you dusted those papers for fingerprints,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = this would be shown to be a lie.
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    | text      = (laughs) Yeah, obvi- obviously. (laughs)
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    | text      = You touched those things. Yeah.
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    | text      = So, um, uh, this, uh, turns into a situation where Mark is asking,
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    | text      = um, "So when you have stuff that you don't know if it's true or not-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ... in front of you, uh,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = that's not an ideal source, right?"
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah, that's the trouble.
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    | text      = That's not good.
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    | text      = No.
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    | text      = Yeah, I don't go through the thousands of papers on the desk
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    | text      = when I sit down for the Sunday show. I don't have time to.
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    | text      = Right, so when you have a show and part of the basis of your show
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    | text      = is to review live materials printed out from the internet that you've never seen, that ain't a great idea.
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    | text      = You agree with that?
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    | text      = Objection form.
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    | text      = It's not exactly an ideal situation, but, um, that's the situation I'm in on Sundays. I don't have time
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    | text      = to clear the desk. I have basically two minutes to sit down
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    | text      = and put a mic on. And that's all I can do on Sundays, so I had nothing to do with those documents.
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    | text      = What instructions do you give about the printed-out materials that are gonna be used on your show?
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    | text      = Are you talking about for this show in question?
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    | text      = No, just generally.
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    | text      = Well, it's kind of important that there's a distinction being made.
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    | text      = On that show, I literally just sit down at the desk.
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    | text      = It's the exact same desk where somebody's on air before me. I don't have any
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    | text      = time to clear the desk, I don't have any time to
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    | text      = review what's on the desk, I don't have any time to
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    | text      = put new stuff on the desk. I just have to sit down and go on air.
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    | text      = So on a normal, on a normal circumstance,
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    | text      = I have control over the desk, I have control of what's on the desk. In this circumstance, I have none.
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    | text      = So on my show, a normal show-
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    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... I can prepare fake papers.
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    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = But at this, I, I just, I have papers on the desk and there's nothing you can do about it-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... on Sundays. I have no time.
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    | text      = I love, I love the dynamic that we have always with all of these depositions, which is, you ask a question
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    | text      = and then they have some sort of response that's like, "Obviously I can't do that, idiot."
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = And then it's like, "No, you have to. That's your job."
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    | text      = Right, you're taking over this-
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    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... uh, shift.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = You can't take paper off of the desk?
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    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = How long does that take?
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    | text      = You-
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    | text      = One swoop with your hand across the desk, but you don't have time for that?
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    | text      = I mean, what, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Are you saying that, like, other people do that? Yes.
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    | text      = Are you saying that there should be a recycling bin underneath the desk that all this paper can be thrown in?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = (laughs) There's just no way to remove things from the desk.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = No.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = We laminate it all.
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    | text      = Well, maybe this speaks to, like, a bureaucracy that's in place.
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    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = That they need to go through three different offices and get signatures to take anything on or off the desk.
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    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Maybe they're so opposed to government red tape because they have-
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    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:24:16.535
    | text      = ... this insane, Byzantine system they have to go through.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = They just always have this element of, like, "Okay, I am not in a civil trial."
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... deposition. I am in a movie courtroom,
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    | text      = where, like, I can get off on a technicality. Where it's like, "Ah, there's some plausible deniability
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    | text      = here. You can't guarantee that I put it on the desk."
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Boom. I'm out.
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    | text      = Right. But it's also funny, because it's like, th- that's not even what's at issue here.
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    | text      = That's not what we're talking about, man.
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    | text      = And also, your explanation that it seems like it's supposed to be-
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    | text      = (coughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... such common sense, that like,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = "I have no idea what papers are gonna be on the desk when I get..."
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    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = It opens up, like, uh, i- i- it's not a satisfying excuse.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = No.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = It's, it makes you sound insane.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah, no. You realize that what you're doing is insane, right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And they're like, "No. What? No, you're dumb."
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Oh.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Woo.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So, I thought at this point, it might be good to actually hear some of the episode that got
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Owen in trouble, because it helps to put into context, uh,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:25:17.590
    | text      = why he did the things that he did. Understood as it actually happened, Owen was part of a media
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ecosystem that was desperate to deny that the Allen shooter was a guy with Nazi tattoos
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = who was motivated by the same ideology that underlies their
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = worldview. One of the headlines, particularly on social media w- after the shooting, was that the guy
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = had, uh, Nazi tattoos, and Owen felt self-conscious about this.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = The right-wing dipshit media reacted in lockstep with each other, desperately pushing other
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = explanations for the shooting that didn't touch on the possibility that white supremacy is a real thing.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Here was the rant that Owen was in the middle of
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = when he misidentified the shooter, which we'll hear, uh, in this clip.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = But I guess that's
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = the mentality now of a... the mentality now of a
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = left-winger. I guess that's the mentality now of a liberal Democrat. If you don't
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = like the statistic, then it must be racist. If you
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = see something you don't like, it doesn't matter if it's real or not,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = it's racist. And that's just how you discount it and hide from
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = it. Like, you're afraid of a monster under the bed, or
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = there's a monster in your closet, so you hide under the blankets.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = "You can't see it. The monster can't touch me." Yeah, here's your actual interracial violent crime
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = statistics. Here's your actual demographic crime statistics. "No, no,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = racist. Oh, I don't... I can't... Oh."
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = But then they're the ones
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = that call a Hispanic
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = man a white supremacist and a neo-Nazi.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = His name was Mauricio Garcia, your neo-Nazi
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = (laughs) white supremacist. But, but we know now,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = this is the
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = leftist logic, we now know that
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = it actually has nothing to do with skin color. It has everything to do with
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = politics. So, don't you know, that's why Enrique Tarrio
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = is a white supremacist, you know, the Black leader of the Proud Boys. He's a white supremacist. And so is
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Supreme Corn- uh, Supreme Court Justice
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Clarence Thomas. He's a white supremacist too. Yes, of course he's a Black man and
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = the first Black member of the Supreme Court, and that's why he's a white supremacist, don't you know?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Because his politics, his ideology, does not perfectly align with the left-wing cult.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So, as Owen is discussing the shooter, they go to an overhead shot of the papers on the desk, showing
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = a prominently displayed mugshot of the plaintiff in this lawsuit, who was not the shooter.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Owen's defense here seems to be that he can't
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = control what papers are in front of him. And this is a random coincidence, but previously
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = on this show, he could clearly be seen looking
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = through the papers on the desk and weaving their content into his monologue.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = In the context of the show that's being presented, these aren't just random papers. They're his sources.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:28:07.230
    | text      = And the incorrect mugshot is placed directly where the overhead cam is, because
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:28:12.270
    | text      = Owen shuffled the papers around and put it there in order for the camera to pick it up.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:28:17.290
    | text      = He can dodge responsibility in a lot of ways and try to maintain his pretend credibility, but there's just
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = no way around it if you watch the video. He engaged with the papers on the desk, treating them as
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:28:26.451
    | text      = prepared news, even though they were just printed-off
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    | text      = tweets. And he presented the mugshot by putting it in front of the overhead camera. In terms of his, uh, uh,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = organization of what would be in view of the camera, Owen arguably was operating as a producer, putting the
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = prop into the place it needed to be in order to be in the shot.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = So, he's actually, uh, I think he's getting off easy-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:28:48.270
    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:28:48.871
    | text      = ... uh, based on what he's being accused of here.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:28:51.691
    | text      = Right, ri- ri- right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Also, Thurgood Marshall was the first Black member of the Supreme
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:28:54.770
    | text      = Court who Clarence Thomas actually replaced, but I wouldn't
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = expect someone like Owen, who has such a great grasp on all these issues, to, to know that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I was, I was like, "Oh, man. Don't remind me that, uh,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = one of the great crimes of this fucking universe is replacing
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:10.431
    | text      = Thurgood Marshall with Clarence Thomas."
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:12.911
    | text      = Hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:13.330
    | text      = Like, truly a travesty of destruction-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Well, I mean-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... to one of the greatest men that ever lived.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:19.471
    | text      = ... if you think, if you think that, you know, that's, that's a travesty, then, uh,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = good, the good news is that Owen has decided to just, uh, ignore it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:25.330
    | text      = Ignore-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:25.330
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:25.351
    | text      = ... Thurgood Marshall entirely.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:26.631
    | text      = Yeah, never happened.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Which is, hey, you know what? That's one way to do it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:29.651
    | text      = So, um, Owen, uh, we get back to the, the deposition setting. And, uh,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:34.891
    | text      = he, uh, is talking more about how he doesn't know anything about these papers that are in front of him.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:38.770
    | text      = Never seen them before in my life.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = You certainly have control over the words coming out of your mouth while you're talking on air, right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Do I?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:43.911
    | text      = Yeah. And those, in this case, I think what you're telling me is
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:46.770
    | text      = none of that is pre-planned. You don't have a script.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:48.750
    | text      = No.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:29:49.290
    | text      = Okay. So, you know that you're gonna be encountering materials you've never
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = seen before and reacting to them live, correct?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:55.131
    | text      = No.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:55.931
    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Okay. Well, you know there's gonna be materials on the desk, right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:29:59.891
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = In this specific case, you knew you had never seen them before.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:30:02.711
    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:30:04.171
    | text      = Right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:30:04.810
    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = And then you knew you'd be reacting to them live, correct?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:30:08.250
    | text      = No. No.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Explain to me why that's not right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Um, because I don't have to react to anything on the desk.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:30:14.351
    | text      = I'm not understanding what you're saying. Your, your
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    | text      = show, from what I understand how it operates, is you
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    | text      = have a stack of materials on your desk that are about the new stories of the day, correct?
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = And those are, that dictates kind of what you're gonna be
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    | text      = talking about on your show, are those news stories, right?
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    | text      = No.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = Can you see the materials on your desk-
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    | text      = (laughs)
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    | text      = ... while you're on the show?
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    | text      = Uh, yeah. There's, there's a bunch of stacks in front of me. You can see it on the video.
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    | text      = That's what I wanted to make sure.
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    | text      = (laughs)
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    | text      = Okay, yeah. We can see them. So, this is an interesting deflection that Owen is trying to make, because
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    | text      = on some level, I think he feels like he just pulled, like, a logic judo move.
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    | text      = Mark has, uh, established that Owen knows that there will be material on the desk that he's
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    | text      = possibly never seen before, and has also established that Owen has control over what he says on the show.
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    | text      = The natural conclusion for this is that he has control
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    | text      = over the response that he gives to random, unverified information, which is to say
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    | text      = that he made a choice and it led to this defamatory content being broadcast.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Owen thinks he can get out of this corner by saying that he's under
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = no obligation to respond to the random papers on his desk as a general rule.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = He could ignore them entirely and, uh, not get into any trouble with Alex or the bosses.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = W- what he's trying to do is retain some measure of dignity by
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = creating the impression that some days his show is fully prepared by him e-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = uh, before the show, and has nothing to do with the litter that Alex just left on the desk.
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    | text      = But the problem is, in this specific case that they're talking about, Owen did rely on those papers.
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    | text      = The idea that he has the freedom to ignore them only makes him more responsible for his actions.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = This is the kinda thing you see when someone is, uh, sort of trained to argue.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = He knows what it looks like and feels like to make a point, but he doesn't really
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = know how to assess if the point that he's making is good. He just
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = knows that, uh, he's now said something that kinda feels like it covers the bases.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = But more importantly, it puts the ball back in the other person's court.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Nine times outta 10 when Owen is arguing with random people on the street,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = this level of explanation will fly. But in a deposition, you can see how flailing around he is.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Like, this is...... makes no sense.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Uh, it does not get to the heart of the matter in the conversation that we're actually having here.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Um, it just seems sad.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah, it's just a fundamental misunderstanding of where they are and what is happening.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = 'Cause, uh, y- the, right now, it's feeling like an interrogation
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    | text      = kind of situation, where Owen feels like he is
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = being interrogated by the cops. Where he's like,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = "Well, I know the cops lie. I know the cops don't
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = have all the information, and they want me to incriminate myself,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = and that's why we have the whole amendment thing." And it's like,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = but in this scenario, they already know
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = the answers to the questions they are asking, because there is no other possible answer.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = For you to then say a different answer just makes everybody spend their whole day here.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Well, and it's so weird, because, like, I don't think that anybody
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    | text      = would not accept an apology and a recognition of-
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    | text      = Totally.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = ... like, the, you did wrong here. Th- like, I, I feel like
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = this is the easiest bind for Owen to get out of, by just saying, "We fucked up, made a mistake." Uh,
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    | text      = you know what... I mean, and it, the fact that they have to go
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    | text      = through these, like, "I had nothing to do with the papers,"-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... and all this, is only because of the inability to admit wrongdoing.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Totally.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And, and that's what's weird about it.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = That's, that's the part that's very surreal and turns it into an interrogation. It's Owen's refusal to
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    | text      = just accept a baseline of responsibility.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah. Yeah, it is, it is funny
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = in a sense of Owen is more fine with consequences being going to jail than he is with just being like,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = "Yeah, I fucked up."
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Like that's the on-, that's the consequence.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Well, I think that the going to jail, uh, inflates and plays into his pride, ego, and character-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Totally.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... and saying, "Look, we've fucked up. We got the wrong picture, and, uh,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = you know, we'll try and do better in the future," I think that works against his ego and pride and character.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Of course.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So, it's pretty much that simple.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Right. It's fascinating, just in a, in a sense of like how warped people's brains can truly become.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And also,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = what's the point of jail? It's crazy. Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So Owen, uh, Owen's like, "Hey man, I've never met those papers. I don't know them." Uh-
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    | text      = Yeah, I mean, I've never seen that guy before in my life.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = We've never spoke.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Totally.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Can you see the materials on your desk while you're on the show?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:34:39.983
    | text      = Uh, yeah, there's, there's a bunch of stacks in front of me. You can see it on the video.
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    | text      = That's what I wanted to make sure. When, when we go to the InfoWars document camera, right,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = that's above the desk, that's a view directly in front of you?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Those papers aren't on some other desk, that's the desk right in front of you?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Who... Well, first of all, do you know who, who you had select materials for that show?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Uh, nobody probably, but no, I don't, I don't know.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = You don't know how they got to your desk?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Um, my guess is the show before
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = prints out all this stuff and puts it on the desk for the host before me.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = That's how they got on the desk.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Who's the host before you?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Alex Jones.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Okay. So who, do you, you don't have any idea who printed out those materials for his show?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = No, I'm not there.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:35:27.943
    | text      = I get there after he's, he's done.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So you, the materials that are there on your desk
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = are not even checked by any member of your staff for your shows?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:35:36.943
    | text      = No, I don't, I don't have a staff for that show. I just inherit the staff that's already there.
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    | text      = Gotcha.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:35:42.782
    | text      = So before going on air, you don't do anything yourself to ensure
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:35:46.322
    | text      = that any of the materials on your desk are accurate or appropriate for the show?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:35:49.543
    | text      = Objection formed.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I don't really
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = reference them, I don't touch them, I don't pick them up. They're just there.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So this seems like it would be a good dodge, but it relies on the person talking to Owen not
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:36:02.922
    | text      = knowing anything and having not prepared. If you watch the show that this
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:07.623
    | text      = suit is based on, prior to this point, Owen has literally
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:11.123
    | text      = been handling the papers on the desk, reorganizing them, looking
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:14.242
    | text      = through them for things to talk about, and directly reading tweets off them.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:17.762
    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:36:18.123
    | text      = I think what he wants to say is that this show isn't just
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:22.163
    | text      = him randomly ripping, uh, riffing off paper that Alex left on the desk. And that's
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:36:26.362
    | text      = fine if he wants to say that to preserve his ego, but the problem is in this specific case in question, there's
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:36:31.643
    | text      = video of him using the papers on the desk for the basis of his show.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:36.623
    | text      = In this instance, him trying to use this as a defense just looks silly, and makes it too
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:41.063
    | text      = obvious that the reason he's being defensive about this is because,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:44.083
    | text      = if he doesn't, he'd kinda have to admit that there really isn't anything more behind his show.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:49.023
    | text      = The illusion of the show is predicated on needing to pretend that they're taking this seriously.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:36:53.882
    | text      = It would be a lot harder to sell the audience on the idea that you're fighting the literal devil
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:36:57.663
    | text      = if they knew that all you're really doing is a racist meme recap show.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:01.922
    | text      = And I think that d- like, protecting that kayfabe is
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:37:06.443
    | text      = more important to Owen than not looking like a total idiot.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:09.682
    | text      = It's so strange to me,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:37:12.382
    | text      = because to me, like, even if you are gonna do this waste-of-everybody's-time
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:37:16.362
    | text      = and not just be like, "Eh, I fucked up," uh,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:37:19.563
    | text      = then you pin it on Alex.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:21.202
    | text      = Sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:21.643
    | text      = He already owes a billion do-... What does... Oh, it's a drop in the bucket. Who ca-... Oh, it was Alex' fault.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:37:26.222
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:26.583
    | text      = Like, yeah. I don't u- I just don't understand why you don't just... Because it's ego.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:31.143
    | text      = Wow.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:31.182
    | text      = It's just his e- and it's Alex's ego. Alex is like, "Hey, don't pin this on me." Why not?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:37:36.242
    | text      = Alex might barbecue him.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:37.862
    | text      = Exactly.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:38.563
    | text      = That's the issue.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:39.242
    | text      = What, who- (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:39.483
    | text      = Alex might murder him.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:40.402
    | text      = What is happening? Why can't we be smart for five seconds today, guys?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:44.282
    | text      = I dunno, but the, the, um,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:46.762
    | text      = I think that the people that Owen is probably
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:49.123
    | text      = used to talking to, he could say, "I never touched those papers," and they would be like,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:54.003
    | text      = "Well, I guess if he said he never touched the papers, maybe he didn't."
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:56.643
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:37:56.663
    | text      = But like, if you're dealing with lawyers who are suing you over this, they watched your episode.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:01.163
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:01.422
    | text      = They know you're lying.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:02.702
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:03.182
    | text      = You know you're lying.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:04.242
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:38:04.702
    | text      = Uh,
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    | text      = what's the point?
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    | text      = It's not the cops picking you up off of a regular-ass sweep just being like, "Hey, do you know who did this?"
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    | text      = It's not that.
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    | text      = They know you.
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    | text      = And I think at some point, Owen has to recognize, based on how little confrontation is coming-
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    | text      = ... that this is kind of
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    | text      = not an information-gathering exercise and more a, uh, uh,
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    | text      = ... kind of, like, (laughs) exercise.
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    | text      = You know we've been here before.
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    | text      = It, it feels... There's a, there's an element of scoldiness to it.
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    | text      = Absolutely. Of course.
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    | text      = So, um, it, the, uh, um, uh, policy that Kit Daniels put out-
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    | text      = ... about how they need to, whenever they're gonna put out news that accuses someone of a crime-
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    | text      = ... they need to have backup.
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    | text      = Double-check that stuff.
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    | text      = Good call, Kit.
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    | text      = So that comes up-
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    | text      = ... and, uh, we get Owen's thoughts on it.
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    | text      = All right, Mr. Shroyer, I handed you what I've been, uh, what has been marked as Exhibit 1.
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    | text      = Um, this is an email of Kit Daniels we were talking about. He's a coworker of yours.
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    | text      = Was.
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    | text      = Was a coworker of yours. Um,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = was he a coworker of yours last summer, in 2023?
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    | text      = I don't think I've seen Kit Daniels in maybe over a year.
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    | text      = Oh, God.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = The subject of this email is, "New editorial policy for all
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    | text      = reporters, journalists, and writers." Do you see that at the top?
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = Um, it was sent on June 7th, 2018. You see that?
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = At that time, you were hosting a show as a journalist?
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    | text      = I was a host. I, I don't-
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    | text      = (laughs)
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    | text      = ... know about the term journalist applying here. Oh my God.
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    | text      = Well, is there a re-... When it re- says it replies
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    | text      = to reporters, journalists, and writers, do you think this policy applies to you?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Uh, I don't know. This coulda been meant for the writers.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I, I do not know.
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    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Well, it was sent to you, wasn't it?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Kit Daniels was never my managing editor.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Well, I'm asking who it was sent to when sent to-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = It was sent to InfoWars staff.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And that goes to you, right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I think so.
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    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = The policy says, "Any news story published or promoted by InfoWars that deals with the possibility of a
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    | text      = crime being committed, or criminal accusations in general,
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    | text      = must be checked by multiple editors before publication, whether it be a video report or a written article.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = This also includes headlines as well as the content of the report.
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    | text      = This policy will help ensure that reports are free of inaccurate and misleading
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    | text      = statements that invite legal com- problems for the company."
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    | text      = Um, you agree that this policy existed before the show that we're here to talk about today?
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Um,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = has anyone ever said to you
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = since 2018,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = uh, "Mr. Shroyer, this policy is no longer in effect"?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:40:55.902
    | text      = "Um, the criminal allegations that, uh, you make on your show don't need to be checked by multiple editors?"
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = No.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Do you remember what happened to cause the creation of this policy?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = No.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Oh, you don't?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Do you remember that shortly before this email, your coworker, Kit Daniels, published an
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = innocent person's photo as the Parkland shooter?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = No.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Okay. Are you familiar with the lawsuit that resulted from those events?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Not, not off the top of my head.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = You, have you heard the name Marcel Fontaine?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Sounds familiar.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = See, this is a bad situation for Owen to be in, because,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = uh, obviously he remembers this stuff.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And he's answering no, uh, because if he answers yes, then he's going to be asked, "What happened there?"
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And Owen doesn't wanna have to say it himself.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = No.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So he thinks he's avoiding something by being like, "I
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    | text      = think I... No, I don't remember. I vaguely... I don't know, rings a bell," or whatever.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Except, like, he, and it, this is, this is something that might work in a social situation.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = But when you're in a deposition-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = (laughs) This is because, uh, this policy got put in place 'cause you guys, uh, misidentified a shooter.
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    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Uh, and it got you in trouble, it got you sued.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Like this situation right here that we are in?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah, or that other time you did that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Oh, yeah?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Do you remember in May 2022,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = a year before this episode we're talking about, um, that you published the photo of an innocent woman,
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    | text      = saying that she was the Uvalde Elementary School shooter?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = No.
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    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I wanna see if we can refresh your memory on that. Um...
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = There we go.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Alexis, let's mark that as Exhibit 2.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Okay, I think... Yes, go ahead and give that to Mr. Shroyer.
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    | text      = Mr. Shroyer, I've handed you what's been marked as Exhibit 2. Um, this is a, a CNN article that was
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = published on, uh, KTZ- KTVZ Oregon. Um,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = the title of this article is False Right Conspiracists Claim the Uvalde Shooter Was a Trans Woman,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = and I'd like to direct your attention to the highlighted portion on page two. Do you see that?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Okay, I'm gonna read that portion really quick, and you can read along with me.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = It says, "Jones told the caller he had a photo of Ramos wearing a skirt.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Later in the episode he shared a tweet from Andy Ngo
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = that asked people to stop claiming that the images of people in
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = skirts being circulated are Ramos, because none of those images had been confirmed to be the shooter."
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Jones' co-host, Owen Shroyer, said, "I just want to be clear.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = The images we've been talking about are not the ones that we've been sharing.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = We've been sharing the images that are on his Instagram account that is claimed to be his."
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = The Instagram account that Shroyer mentioned was a spoof account that has since been taken down.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Does this refresh your memory, that in 2022, you spread the false image of a- from a shooter?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:44:11.155
    | text      = Vaguely, but I don't know. I mean, claiming I spread a false image. This is just
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = a quote. It doesn't show any images, it doesn't give any context, so I'm not, I'm not admitting to that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:44:21.215
    | text      = Right, I'm- that's what I'm asking, though, is does it refresh your memory that you did spread the
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = photo of this innocent woman as the Uvalde shooter?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:44:27.135
    | text      = Objection formed.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:44:28.835
    | text      = Uh, I remember the general, um, I remember the general incident.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:44:33.494
    | text      = Did you learn anything from that?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:44:35.114
    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:44:36.815
    | text      = Uh,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:44:38.074
    | text      = no.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Nope, certainly not.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:44:40.195
    | text      = Uh, objection, meme. (laughs) .
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:44:42.114
    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:44:45.394
    | text      = So we've, uh,
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    | text      = I don't know, illustrated a pattern of-
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    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:44:49.894
    | text      = ... you personally and you, Infowars, as a company-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:44:52.755
    | text      = No.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:44:52.775
    | text      = ... doing this pretty regularly, uh, to the detriment of peoples' lives and, uh...
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:44:57.454
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:44:57.914
    | text      = Did you learn anything? Nope.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:45:00.155
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:45:00.474
    | text      = Definitely not.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:45:01.434
    | text      = Yeah, you know, there's something about that where it reminds me of, uh,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:45:07.155
    | text      = Sara, uh, Sara Jewett, uh, who was a, a writer from Maine-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:45:12.255
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:45:12.594
    | text      = ... uh, in the early 20th, or late 19th, early 20th century. Uh, and she's, she's writing about school
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = at the time, which is a teenage girl and, like, five
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:45:23.574
    | text      = young boys, and it just, it makes me think, like,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:45:27.534
    | text      = I know that school punishment is bad,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:45:31.494
    | text      = but man, if he had been hit like they were in the time, maybe we wouldn't be here.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:45:36.635
    | text      = I don't know.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:45:36.894
    | text      = You know what I'm sayin'? Like, I don't know.
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    | text      = I don't know if corporal punishment is the, the answer.
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    | text      = I don't think it's the answer. I'm just saying, we wouldn't be here.
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    | text      = I, I think-
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    | text      = I think that there's something very, uh, illuminating and illustrative about this, like,
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    | text      = all right, here is this exact parallel situation to what we are here to talk about that you did previously.
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    | text      = Yep.
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    | text      = And, like, the way that Owen is unable to engage, but also,
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    | text      = uh, completely unable to deny the reality of, like, he can't just say, "I didn't do any of that."
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    | text      = No.
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    | text      = He's, he has to be like, "I vaguely remember and I will not confess to this."
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    | text      = Yep.
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    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = One of, one of our oldest-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Such a coward.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... one of our oldest parenting idioms is the idea of, if you let the
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    | text      = kid touch the fire, he will learn not to touch the fire.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = You are somehow incapable of learning not to touch the fire.
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = How is this possible, sir?
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    | text      = I
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    | text      = think because they have not felt the consequences of the fire.
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    | text      = I mean, there's really no other way to put it, right?
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = So, uh, Owen, at this point, has been confronted with this past record of behaving in this exact way.
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    | text      = He's tried to excuse his behavior as, like, "I don't, I've never met paper before."
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = Um, and, and I think he now realizes he needs to switch his approach.
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    | text      = Let's talk about your coverage of the, um, Allen, Texas mass shooting, uh, in the summer of 2023.
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    | text      = Um,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I saw that it was claimed in your legal papers
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = that you claim that you published
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = a widely reported and disseminated mugshot.
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    | text      = Is that accurate?
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    | text      = Uh, that is the image that you are referring to.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Other than you, where was it reported prior to your show on May 7th?
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    | timestamp = 00:47:22.054
    | text      = Well, it is obviously on
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = the Twitter account that is sitting on the desk, that I've noticed is not mentioned in the lawsuit.
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    | timestamp = 00:47:30.715
    | text      = Uh, and then obviously all the other defendants who are here probably disseminated the same image and,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I'm sure, plenty of other people.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = You know if any of them did it before, after you?
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    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Uh, no.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Okay, so
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = you've read the lawsuit, I take it, 'cause you just commented on it, right?
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Okay. So you would know from that lawsuit that none of your co-defendants published it before you, right?
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    | text      = Uh, I, I don't, I don't, no.
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    | text      = Okay. And then we have this, um, Twitter account.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:47:59.074
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:47:59.594
    | text      = Right? KAN KOA THE GREAT.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So, this excuse doesn't make a lot of sense based on Owen's previous excuse. He shouldn't need to claim that
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:48:07.695
    | text      = this was a widely reported mugshot if he didn't engage with the random paper that's on his desk. He didn't
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = use the mugshot, so how, like, who cares how widely reported it was?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:48:17.954
    | text      = Owen is acting like this because the legal strategy is basically to just be
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = really defensive and see if anything sticks.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = The "I have no idea where the paper comes from" defense
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = clearly isn't enough, and so now he's just trying to justify his actions by saying, "All the cool
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = kids were reporting on this, so it wasn't just me."
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = This is a great moment that illustrates a dynamic of InfoWars that really cuts through their façade.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = They're supposed to be the tip of the
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = spear, the only ones who truly see through the media manipulation. They're the independent
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:48:44.394
    | text      = thinkers and their analysis is better than everyone else because they're inspired by God. This
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = is their kayfabe persona, but when they do something
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:48:51.914
    | text      = wrong and wanna get outta trouble, all of a sudden they're just part of the
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = crowd. All these other places were spreading this fake information, so why are we
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:48:58.394
    | text      = the ones who are getting in trouble for it? And this really demonstrates an underlying
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:49:02.514
    | text      = immaturity that these folks operate with. There's not much difference, honestly, between Owen and a high
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:49:07.514
    | text      = school bully, other than that Owen wears a suit.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Like, that's-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = 100%.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:11.835
    | text      = This is all childish refusal to accept responsibility.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:15.554
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:16.074
    | text      = And, uh, it's s- it's, it's really interesting to see.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Because I think Owen embodies it so strongly.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = I mean, it is, it might as well just be like,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = "Oh, it's fun to play cops and robbers, but I don't wanna be in trouble for robbing stuff."
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:33.835
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:34.034
    | text      = "That's not cool."
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:35.614
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:35.755
    | text      = "It feels good to pretend to be one of those pioneering fight, fight journalists, uh-"
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:42.394
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:42.394
    | text      = "... but I'm a tiny little loser on the inside." Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:45.014
    | text      = Yeah, it's fun to yell at people and be the cuck destroyer.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:47.775
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:48.135
    | text      = Um, and it's not so fun to-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:51.414
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:51.614
    | text      = ... have to, you know, uh, be talked about, about how you, uh, misidentify mass shooters.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:49:56.335
    | text      = Yeah, yeah. No, it is, it is a lot in these, in this arena, there is a consistent
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:01.715
    | text      = underlying feeling of, like, hey man, why are you making me feel bad?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:50:04.655
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:50:05.235
    | text      = Right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:05.554
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:06.074
    | text      = Like, it's, don't make me feel bad. Don't pierce the illusion. I like the illusion.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:09.594
    | text      = Yeah, don't make me feel bad.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:11.094
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:11.414
    | text      = Alex left those papers on the desk.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:13.074
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:13.474
    | text      = Don't care. Don't make me feel bad. Other people said it too. We don't care.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:17.394
    | text      = We all know I'm full of shit.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:19.155
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:19.454
    | text      = But we don't have to say it all the time.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:22.235
    | text      = Yeah, there is a very strong defensiveness-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... that just runs through this.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:26.855
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:50:26.934
    | text      = And so the idea of using anonymous tweets as a source came up in that last clip.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:50:32.034
    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:50:32.394
    | text      = And that's explored a little more.... look for other people's shows. (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:58:45.423
    | text      = You know, and it is- it is the same thing as with an interrogation. Because they're turning
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:58:50.364
    | text      = it into an interrogation, they only wind up revealing information that you don't have to reveal.
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    | text      = Yeah. An- and it- it's such a, it's such a, uh, crapshoot for me in terms of believing if that's true.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Totally.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:02.864
    | text      = It seems like a very strange thing to be able to make up on the spot.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:06.563
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:07.063
    | text      = But it also seems such a bizarre social work environment.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:59:11.003
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:11.282
    | text      = If that is something that Alex, like, you know, "Don't take the papers off the desk-"
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:14.603
    | text      = Totally.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:14.802
    | text      = "... or I'll just be mad."
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:15.583
    | text      = Yeah. (exhales) It's a testament to how things are
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:19.742
    | text      = that it's like, I would at least put that at 60/40 true.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:59:23.202
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:23.603
    | text      = You know?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:24.202
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:24.583
    | text      = Whether or not it is true, don't know, but we are living in a space where that is
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:28.784
    | text      = more likely to be true than not true.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:30.943
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:31.583
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:31.842
    | text      = And it also seems like if you're somebody who respects themself and works in media, uh, you should quit.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:37.483
    | text      = If- if that's the work environment you're in, that's an unacceptable work environment.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:41.402
    | text      = "I can't move papers from my desk," is not something I would say at
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:59:47.163
    | text      = any job without going, "And now I'm going to leave."
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:50.222
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:50.342
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:50.563
    | text      = This is indicative of a much larger problem.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:52.722
    | text      = (laughs) Yeah, there's no way that this gets better than, "You can't move papers!"
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:57.402
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:57.702
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:58.103
    | text      = It's a symptom.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:59.043
    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:59.702
    | text      = So, uh, this next clip, I think, is, uh, fantastic, and, uh, it's Owen, uh, trying to lash out a little bit.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:00:06.563
    | text      = Good.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:06.643
    | text      = And then
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:07.523
    | text      = running straight into a wall.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:09.422
    | text      = Ooh.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:09.802
    | text      = I wanna make sure that we're clear
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:12.543
    | text      = that
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:13.663
    | text      = you did nothing
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:15.422
    | text      = to ensure that photographs used during your broadcast were accurate.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:19.362
    | text      = Objection formed.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:23.862
    | text      = I had nothing to do
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:26.003
    | text      = with that photo on the desk or on the screen.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:00:29.682
    | text      = During a breaking news event,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:33.163
    | text      = you should only discuss to your audience,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:35.862
    | text      = and publish to your audience, the image of an alleged mass murderer
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:39.983
    | text      = if the image was confirmed using a primary source. Would you agree with that?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:44.023
    | text      = I had nothing to do with the publishing of that image.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:46.483
    | text      = That's not what I asked you, Mr. Shore.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:48.202
    | text      = Rep-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:50.242
    | text      = You want me to ask it again?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:51.063
    | text      = Yeah, go ahead.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:51.583
    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = During a breaking news event, you should only discuss or publish an image of a mass alleged shooter
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    | text      = if the image was confirmed using a primary source. Do you agree with that?
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = I wanna talk about your use of anonymous materials, how you approached that, okay?
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    | text      = Um, and certainly you recall the time on your show
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    | text      = when you used an anonymous blog
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    | text      = about a Sandy Hook parent named Neil Husson. You remember that?
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    | text      = It's funny, 'cause, uh, these anonymous accounts that you always
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    | text      = bring up as the basis for my lawsuits never end up in a lawsuit with you.
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    | text      = That is interesting, right?
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    | text      = Yeah, it is.
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    | text      = Yeah, it is interesting how the journalist-
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    | text      = Very interesting.
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    | text      = ... the professional commercial journalist-
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    | text      = It is.
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    | text      = ... has a duty that's different than a random person on Twitter. Would you agree with that?
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    | text      = Uh, well, I don't know. Th- that's all about interpretation, I suppose.
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    | text      = No, I'm asking you, you're in the industry, I'm asking you about the standard of care in your industry.
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    | text      = Geez.
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    | text      = Do you think your standard of care, talking to your audience, is any different than a random
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    | text      = anonymous person on Twitter who's not a commercial media person? Do you believe that?
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    | text      = I'm not sure.
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    | text      = Ooh, there's the wall.
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    | text      = Wah! (laughs)
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    | text      = So, this is another great moment that you could really dissect for hours.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Like, Alex talks about these moments that he has that are like, "I could teach a class on this," and I
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    | text      = feel like I could teach a class on that.
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    | text      = I agree.
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    | text      = It contains something that I think is quintessential about people like Owen, and if you can
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    | text      = see it, you can never really look at them as a respectable person again.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = He's very clearly being led down a path where he has no choice but to admit that he put in
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    | text      = no effort into verifying this mugshot,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = and in the process, the plaintiff was
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    | text      = misidentified as a mass murderer to
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    | text      = Owen's audience. And at this point in the deposition, Mark has identified at least
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = one other incident where Owen did the
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    | text      = exact same thing, in the case of Uvalde, and another incident where using
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    | text      = unverified stories on air led to him defaming Sandy Hook parent Neil Husson.
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    | text      = This is a very clear and well-illustrated pattern of behavior connecting Owen's actions to their effects.
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    | text      = Owen can understand words, so he knows that he's in a real bind here, which leads to him lashing out.
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    | text      = He tries a gotcha moment, where he says that
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = he seems to always get in trouble, but these random Twitter accounts he uses as a source never get sued.
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    | text      = He thinks that this is gonna be a real problem for Mark, as if
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    | text      = this isn't something that he's ever thought about before.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Owen thinks this is a dunk and it's gonna lead to him gaining the
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    | text      = upper hand in the conversation, but he seems to have no idea that this only leads to a more
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    | text      = damning follow-up question. Owen has no
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    | text      = conception that saying these random Twitter accounts don't get sued could possibly lead to,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = "Do you think you have more journalistic duties than a random Twitter account?"
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Owen thought he was gonna evade this line of questioning entirely
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    | text      = and point the finger at someone else, but instead, he ended up tripping over his own
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    | text      = feet, and now he has to answer a yes-or-no question
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    | text      = about whether he's more legitimate than a random Twitter account. If he says
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = yes, he's accepting the premise that he fucked up with this mugshot.
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    | text      = If he says no, then he's accepting that his work is meaningless and you shouldn't take it,
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    | text      = uh, uh, take anything more from it th- than a tweet, that's j- that's how serious this
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = or, or real any of their shit is. It's a fucking fake pictured, uh, Twitter account.
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = It's a tough spot he's landed in, and you can tell that he doesn't want to accept
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    | text      = either of these positions. And so, he does the only thing that could be worse, he says he doesn't know.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:11.643
    | text      = Owen Shroyer doesn't know if he, as a journalist and
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    | text      = major talk show host working for God's chosen soldier
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = fighting the literal devil, he doesn't know if he has a higher standard of credibility to maintain
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    | text      = than a random person on Twitter. That's absurd and there's
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    | text      = no way he doesn't feel like that's an awful way to answer that question.
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    | text      = I- I like that there wasn't a follow-up to ask more there, too, because
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    | text      = by just letting Owen's answer of, "I don't know," sit there-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... it makes him look that much more stupid.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = It's crazy, that moment.
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    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I- I mean,
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    | text      = I- it... If I'm... (sighs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Okay, let me try and put it this way.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I have never been in a deposition.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:04:55.563
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:56.023
    | text      = I have only listened to clips of these depositions.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I feel as though I have learned more about depositions than all of the InfoWars people
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    | text      = who have been in them-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:05:08.523
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:05:08.742
    | text      = ... as well as their lawyers. Because I feel like if I'm preparing Owen for a deposition,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = the first thing I say is, "Have you listened to some of your old depositions? Let's kinda
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:05:19.382
    | text      = loo- look through those and see where we made mistakes."
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:05:21.503
    | text      = Check out some of the game tape.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Absolutely.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = How do you not do that?
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    | text      = I don't know.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And then you just, you just say, "Oh..." So
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = when he asks you those questions where you're like, "I've got an answer," you don't.
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    | timestamp = 01:05:33.742
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Just say no.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Or you- you think there's, like, a moment where you're gonna, like, flip the script? You're not.
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    | text      = You're not going to f- you're not going to win an arm wrestle. This is not an arm wrestling competition.
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    | timestamp = 01:05:44.742
    | text      = Right. And I think the issue is that Owen
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = is used to existing in spaces where he's, like, just yelling at somebody at a protest-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:05:51.342
    | text      = Totally.
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    | text      = ... in front of an iPhone or whatever, and oftentimes, you can catch them off-guard
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    | text      = and, uh, uh, sorta overwhelm them and badger them-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... with stuff like, "Hey, why do I get in
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = trouble, but this Twitter user doesn't?" And maybe they'll be flustered by this.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:06:06.262
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:06:06.563
    | text      = Or, if you're on your show and there is nobody to respond to you, and you're just saying that, it feels good-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:06:13.222
    | text      = ... and there's no pushback.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:06:14.922
    | text      = But when you're in a situation like this and you try those same tactics,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:06:18.742
    | text      = they're just not gonna work, and you're gonna end up in
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    | timestamp = 01:06:21.943
    | text      = deeper water than you were in originally, because now
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = you don't know if you take yourself more seriously than a random person on Twitter.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:06:28.983
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:06:29.362
    | text      = And that is an unacceptable thing to imagine that you believe about yourself.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:06:33.463
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:06:34.202
    | text      = Uh, I just, I- I love it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:06:36.003
    | text      = Yeah. Uh, just- just, like, in a simple,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:06:38.782
    | text      = "Hey, buddy, let's take a look at your quiver of arrows, all right? You think you have more than one."
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:06:46.619
    | text      = ... I don't think you have one.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:06:48.039
    | text      = No.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:06:48.559
    | text      = So just throw the bow down, say yes or no, and we'll go to lunch.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:06:53.519
    | text      = Yeah. And it's gonna be, it's, it's like, answer yes or no
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:06:56.998
    | text      = and, uh, it's gonna be worse for you if you try to get fancy.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:07:00.039
    | text      = Just-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:07:00.278
    | text      = Because you're just get- I'm just gonna ask you a follow-up question to that, that-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:07:04.199
    | text      = Totally.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:07:04.900
    | text      = ... sounds, makes you sound worse.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:07:05.938
    | text      = You, I mean, and we exist, and they know we exist, and it affects their deposition
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:07:12.259
    | text      = s- tape stuff.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:07:13.518
    | text      = Uh-huh.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:07:13.900
    | text      = Like, I mean, I don't, I just don't understand. I would be, I'm,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:07:16.980
    | text      = I would honestly be stoked to be tabo- deposed at this
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:07:20.199
    | text      = point, because it would be the most boring deposition ever.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:07:23.179
    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:07:23.298
    | text      = No one's doing an episode about my deposition.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:07:26.239
    | text      = Probably not.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:07:26.239
    | text      = I'm just gonna go like, "Eh, no, yes, all right, we done here?"
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:07:30.278
    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:07:30.498
    | text      = That's it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:07:31.878
    | text      = Why?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:07:32.338
    | text      = Probably.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:07:32.938
    | text      = Huh?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:07:33.318
    | text      = It wouldn't go like this, that's for sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:07:34.599
    | text      = No. No, no, no, no.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:07:35.699
    | text      = So, um, we have heard a lot of these depositions, and we've heard the one with Owen before.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:07:41.099
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:07:41.438
    | text      = Uh, in, in the Sandy Hook case. And one of the things that I thought, uh, uh, you know, stuck out about that
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:07:48.759
    | text      = was that Owen, uh, seemed to understand what he had done wrong.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:07:54.599
    | text      = Yes.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:07:55.298
    | text      = Uh, maybe it was because of Bill's, uh, aggressive-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:07:58.418
    | text      = Sure, I'm a puppet.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:07:59.018
    | text      = ... teddy bear act. (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:08:00.358
    | text      = Yeah. Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:08:00.739
    | text      = You know?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:08:00.938
    | text      = Yeah, yeah. I guess I am a puppet.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:08:02.398
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:08:02.619
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:08:02.659
    | text      = And, and he did
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:08:04.179
    | text      = seem to recognize, "This is the error that was made, and we can do better than this in the future."
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:08:09.998
    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Um, and so, uh, Mark brings that up in this position.
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    | text      = Have we unlearned that lesson?
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    | text      = Exactly.
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    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Going back to the use of that anonymous blog
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    | text      = about Sandy Hook parent Neil Huslan, you acknowledged that was a serious error on your part, right?
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    | text      = Yes, and you're well aware of what led to those circumstances, because you know
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    | text      = a very similar thing happened where somebody brought that to me.
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = And you acknowledged that that was a serious error on your part.
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    | text      = Yes-
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    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... I wish I wouldn't have done that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = You called it the worst moment of your journalism career.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah, you're still bringing it up to this day.
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    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And this, what we're talking about today, is the same kind of error.
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    | text      = Hmm.
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    | text      = Objection, Your Honor.
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    | text      = (laughs)
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    | text      = No, definitely not the same kind of error, except that you pounced on it to bring me here.
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    | text      = Not the same kind of error.
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    | text      = (laughs)
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    | text      = It's exactly the same thing.
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    | text      = It is
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    | text      = so the same kind of error, it is comical to all of us.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And, uh, that refusal to understand or accept that is, uh, probably a survival adaptation.
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    | text      = It has to be.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Right? We're, we're in full-on, like,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = baboon-level territory, of he's like making screeching sounds and showing his red ass.
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Like, we're not in a, this is a thinking, being situation.
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    | text      = I, I can't imagine actually being able to contain the thought that this is, like,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = meaningfully different than these other times that you've relied on bad information to defame somebody.
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    | text      = Absolutely.
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    | text      = Uh, and last time you pretended that you'd learned your lesson, and you clearly haven't.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Um, and so, uh-
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    | text      = I feel like the words "I'll throw myself out" should be involved here. Like,
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    | text      = the moment he says that he'll just be like, "You
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    | text      = know what? I'll throw myself out. I got this one, guys." (laughs)
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    | text      = Instead, what they do is, uh, Mark decides to read from the past deposition-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... read Owen's words back to him.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Ah, why you gotta read my words, man?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Come on.
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    | text      = Come on!
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = All right, Mr. Shurer, you see there, um,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = right in front of you is a cover page for the deposition testimony you gave in 2021. Do you see that?
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    | text      = Yep.
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    | text      = Okay. Can you, uh, and you'll see that there are, it's condensed, so there are four pages per page.
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    | text      = All right? And if you can flip into that to me, to page 116.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Okay. All right, and do you see a highlighted part up at the top of that page?
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    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Okay, I'm gonna read that question and answer to you. Okay?
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = "But
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = sitting here today, when you go back to InfoWars, are you gonna g- just be
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    | text      = on live, get handed a story with clips from someone you don't remember who it is,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = and run it, or are you going to make sure it was fact-checked?"
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And your answer was, "Well, I would say, after this experience,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I am, I am highly less likely to be handed a story or a video clip and air it
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    | text      = without checking it myself." Do you see that?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = All right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = But that wasn't true, because you've been doing that most days on your show ever since, right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Objection, Your Honor.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Nope.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And that's what you did in this case, right?
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    | text      = Nope, not at all.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Not the same thing to you.
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    | text      = Not even close.
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    | text      = Great.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Great. Great. So yeah, I think you have, um, uh, uh,
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    | text      = I d-
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    | text      = h- I, I don't think that this is the most, like, um,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = d- fact-finding of depositions.
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    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = There's an element of this that is almost, like, uh,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = shaming.
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    | text      = I, I do feel like at a, at, at a certain point, Mark could've gone, "None of us need to be here."
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = "You know that and I know that." But e- there's also a part of Mark that's like,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = "I can just whip you all day if I want to."
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I, you can't leave.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Oh, and, and I think that there is a value to it beyond just, sort of a, um,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = like a pu- like a shaming and rubbing your nose in it.
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    | text      = Sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And that, the last time that there was a case that
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Owen was sued in, they had, uh, uh, what appeared to be a promise to
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    | text      = behave differently in the future based on, uh, what
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = was the... Like, he got away with, uh, not getting super severe punishments-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... in the Sandy Hook case.
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    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Um, and largely some of that might've been predicated on the appearance of learning a lesson
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = and the appearance of slight cooperation and, and a promise to do better. So, him
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = being forced to acknowledge and deal with
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = someone saying, "Hey, you didn't do better."
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = "That's why we're here again."
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I think that that's not just scoldy. There is, there is a point to it.
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    | text      = Yeah, no, the dunce cap didn't work last time.
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Uh, you're still a little boy.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I don't know what to do next, but I guess tie you to a post and whip you.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Um-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = There, there's nothing more really to gain out of this exchange.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = No.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Uh, but we've, we've had this moment and now you can reflect on it, but you're not going to.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Nope.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So whatever.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = What are we doing?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = But now that there's been the shaming, uh,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = w- we just wrap up.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yep. Yeah. (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So you see after your answer,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Mr. Ogden says, "Justice system is working. Not all the way, but that's a big step forward for us.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Not, I'm not, and I'm not saying that sarcastically.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Genuinely, for both you and I, and my clients, we appreciate that position."
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Mr. Ogden was being a bit naive there, wouldn't you agree?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I don't know.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Objection, Your Honor.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Let me ask you again today, I'm wondering today, now after this experience-
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    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:30.259
    | text      = ... sitting here today, when you go back to InfoWars, are you ever gonna be on just live and
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = run with a story and discuss things that are on your desk that you've never seen before?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Or are you gonna make sure it was fact-checked?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Uh, nope.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Huh?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = There you go. Thank you, Mr. Shurer.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = That's all I need from you today.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = We'll call it a deposition.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah, so that's, uh, you know. I feel like the, you know, the reading of Bill's, uh,
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    | text      = you know, I'm not being sarcastic, this is-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... this is a outcome that is positive.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I think it's kind of a reminder or almost like a,
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    | text      = this i- we keep trying
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = to offer you, uh, a rec- like an ability to recognize, or an opportunity to recognize-
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    | timestamp = 01:14:14.198
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ... what this is about.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And you refuse to recognize that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Um-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = It is, it is
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    | text      = maybe,
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    | text      = um,
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    | text      = extremely funny
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = that Mark is reading a sincere
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    | text      = note
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = sarcastically.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:14:34.658
    | text      = Hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = In the sincer- in the sere- sincere note, he's like, "I'm not being sarcastic," and Mark is like,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = "Now we are being sarcastic. That is what is happening now."
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:43.399
    | text      = Uh, yeah. It, it's, there's layers of sarcasm and sincerity to it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah. Fascinating.
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    | text      = That is like, uh, this offer is still available to you.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:53.359
    | text      = Sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:53.679
    | text      = To recognize
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    | text      = what the problem with these behaviors are.
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    | text      = Mm...
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    | text      = You know, the problems with the behaviors aren't like that you love guns-
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = ... or that you think that Joe Biden's evil, or whatever.
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    | text      = Sure, sure.
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    | text      = The problem with your behavior is that you're so reckless with this information
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    | text      = that you end up defaming public, uh, private citizens.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And
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    | text      = the, like,
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    | text      = the ability or the, the, the offer of-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = ... uh, is there. It was there sincerely the first time.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And Owen appeared to accept that offer.
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    | text      = Theoretically.
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    | text      = This time, the offer is still there-
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = ... of "Recognize this."
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = But, there is definitely more of the sarcasm of, "Bill was being a little bit naive," right?
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Like, w- you're not going to change.
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    | text      = It is fascinating to inject so much, uh, uh, contradictory meaning into a small number of words.
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    | timestamp = 01:15:52.487
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = In so far as, how is it possible to say, "Bill was being naive" and yet be naive yourself?
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    | timestamp = 01:15:59.167
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = How is it possible to say, "Bill wasn't being sarcastic" sarcastically?
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = It's fascinating.
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    | text      = Yeah. It's a, it's a, it's a, it's a naivete, but it's a decreased naivete.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = It's a sincerity, but with a little heightened
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    | text      = sarcasm that just comes from, I think, that, like, uh, that dynamic of
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    | text      = th- this is, we're doing this again.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = You know? It is, uh, it's, it's a, f- you know,
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    | text      = when you, you, you treat a first, second, and third warning a little bit
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    | text      = differently, you know, when it's the same behavior.
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    | text      = Yeah. I mean, I'm, I'm worried that at this point, we're, we're borderline saying like, "Hey, man.
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    | text      = Six or 7,000 more examples, and we're really gonna come down hard on you."
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    | timestamp = 01:16:40.127
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = Six or 7,000. Maybe eight. Maybe eight. But 10 is our max.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = 10,000 more examples-
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    | text      = Well-
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    | text      = ... and you're in trouble, sir.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Well, the issue, the issue, I think, is that I don't know what authority you have to call down a punishment.
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    | text      = Totally.
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    | text      = And th- uh, you know,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = uh, th- it's more a, "Okay, we have 6,000 examples here.
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    | text      = Can you please change your behavior? Can you please operate in, uh, like a modicum of good faith?"
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    | timestamp = 01:17:08.247
    | text      = Yep.
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    | text      = And just please recognize
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    | text      = why, like, th- x, oh, you did x again.
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    | timestamp = 01:17:15.167
    | text      = Yep.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:17:15.546
    | text      = Oh, you did x again. Oh. Um, and, and h- in hope that there is not a punishment that's necessary.
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    | text      = There's a reflection and a changing.
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    | timestamp = 01:17:23.886
    | text      = Yep.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Um, and, um, maybe
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = the, the naivete is believing that this is likely to happen.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = But the-
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    | text      = I guess the reflection and the change
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    | text      = sh- should probably come on the side of people who can reflect and can change.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:17:41.226
    | text      = And it is.
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    | timestamp = 01:17:42.167
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:17:42.766
    | text      = And it does.
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    | timestamp = 01:17:43.527
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | timestamp = 01:17:44.106
    | text      = I think.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Um, and that's reflected in
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    | timestamp = 01:17:47.867
    | text      = not taking, uh, it as seriously that Owen could possibly learn his lesson-
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:17:53.087
    | text      = Yep.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:17:53.466
    | text      = ... from this.
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    | timestamp = 01:17:54.106
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | timestamp = 01:17:54.346
    | text      = That is the, the, the heightened sarcasm and the lowered naivete is a reflection of that change-
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    | timestamp = 01:17:59.546
    | text      = Yeah. Totally.
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    | timestamp = 01:18:00.046
    | text      = ... it appears.
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    | timestamp = 01:18:01.567
    | text      = Um, but yeah. I, I think this was an interesting cross-section. It's a short deposition-
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    | timestamp = 01:18:05.947
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ... but, I think that th- there's a couple of those
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    | text      = moments that are really, really, they, they, they show you something.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Um, and so I'm glad, uh, we could, t- we could go over it.
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    | text      = I, I, I mean, you know,
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:18:18.027
    | text      = it is so
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    | timestamp = 01:18:19.747
    | text      = weird
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:18:21.686
    | text      = to put these people in a place
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:18:24.747
    | text      = that should be boring.
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    | timestamp = 01:18:26.907
    | text      = You know?
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    | timestamp = 01:18:27.386
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = They just, they just, th- they're like,
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:18:30.247
    | text      = they're like insects in a jar. They can't
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    | timestamp = 01:18:32.466
    | text      = just be chill, you know? They just gotta fly
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    | timestamp = 01:18:34.806
    | text      = around and hit all the goddamn walls, and it's like, "You're not going anywhere!"
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    | timestamp = 01:18:38.327
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | timestamp = 01:18:38.707
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I think some of that is 'cause they're so used to everything is, is performance.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And you know, like, the show is performance. They go out on the streets with their
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    | timestamp = 01:18:47.087
    | text      = camera and their iPhones and yell at people. It's performance.
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    | timestamp = 01:18:50.787
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | timestamp = 01:18:51.306
    | text      = And so for that, this is a kind of a, uh, doing a show.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | timestamp = 01:18:54.726
    | text      = You know? And, uh,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:18:56.707
    | text      = and it's a bummer.
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    | timestamp = 01:18:57.487
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | timestamp = 01:18:58.587
    | text      = Anyway, uh, we'll be back with another episode. Uh, but until then, we have a website.
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    | timestamp = 01:19:02.106
    | text      = Indeed we do, at knowledgefight.com.
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    | timestamp = 01:19:03.506
    | text      = Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo, um, Leo of DZXCLARK. I am the mysterious professor.
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    | timestamp = 01:19:08.407
    | text      = Woo, yeah. Woo, yeah, woo.
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    | timestamp = 01:19:11.106
    | text      = And now, here comes w- the sex robots.
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    | timestamp = 01:19:13.346
    | text      = Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.
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    | timestamp = 01:19:15.367
    | text      = Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
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    | timestamp = 01:19:20.606
    | text      = I love you.
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