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    | title         = [[1005: Formulaic Objections Part 17]]
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    | episodeNumber = [[1005: Formulaic Objections Part 17|1005]]
    | length        = 01:45:03
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    | text      = everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.
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    | text      = Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
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    | text      = Uh, Jordan.
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    | text      = Dan.
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    | text      = Jordan.
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    | text      = 'Sup?
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    | text      = What's your bright spot today, buddy?
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    | text      = Uh, why don't you go first?
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    | text      = Uh, my bright spot is, uh, uh, actually The Penguin.
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    | text      = Okay, yeah, I've heard it's good.
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    | text      = Uh, just finished.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Fantastic. Very good.
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    | text      = Oh, the season, season's ready for me to binge?
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    | text      = Yep, yep.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = You can, you can nail it out. That's a great airplane, uh, fuckin'-
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    | text      = All right.
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    | text      = ... yeah, that's the way to do it.
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    | text      = Eh, maybe.
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    | text      = Um, uh, so yeah, so it's great. They did a Billy Bathgate-
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = ... uh, which is awesome. Uh, I like the series.
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    | text      = That's, that's the, uh, uh, Clinton has a scandal about taking a tub?
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    | text      = A little something like that. Uh, no, it's (laughs) ...
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    | text      = (laughs)
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    | text      = Um, no, it's a, it's a novel by, uh, Doctorow.
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    | text      = Hmm.
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    | text      = Uh, and it is
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    | text      = one of my favorite... He's also one of my favorite authors. He's... One of my favorite novels. And he writes
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    | text      = so good. He's just a good... Like, when he
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    | text      = r- when you read his stuff, it feels like he's got both his knees on your chest.
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    | text      = I hate to be-
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    | text      = And he's, like, telling... It's, it's hot.
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    | text      = I hate to-
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    | text      = It's sexy.
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    | text      = I hate to... In, in this specific ques- uh, uh, context-
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    | text      = What?
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    | text      = ... I hate to be an editor, but-
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = ... he, he writes well?
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    | text      = Oh, no, no, no, no. He writes good.
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    | text      = He writes good.
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    | text      = Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = Okay. All right.
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    | text      = No, but that's what I'm-
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    | text      = Just clarifying.
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    | text      = ... that's what I'm trying to express here, okay?
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = Is, uh, he's also part of a, a, a theory that I worked out whenever I first started reading him
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    | text      = and realized that it was, uh, undeniably sexy
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    | text      = to have a, an author have both knees on your chest while he's telling you a story.
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = Right, right? And then I realized that most people do not view it that way.
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    | text      = Hm.
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    | text      = Not how they read books. Do not have this synesthetic, like, "Is this actually about sex?"
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = Kind of thing.
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    | text      = Yeah, no, that's, uh, that, that... It's, uh, it's not universal.
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    | text      = Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then if, if you view everything through that
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    | text      = viewpoint, which is that all authors are repressed masturbators-
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    | text      = Hmm.
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    | text      = ... then it all makes sense.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = Then you can enjoy all literature for how it's actually about, uh, boning.
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = And that's the gre-... You know, like, uh, if you think about a
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    | text      = Jane Austen novel, many people have a lot of different
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    | text      = kind of viewpoints, but if you just think about it as one
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    | text      = giant strip tease, and instead of clothes, it's, like,
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    | text      = societal expectations that you're slowly taking off-
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = ... that's it. It's actually about fuckin'. It's all about... They're all about fuckin'.
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    | text      = Are you telling me that Ahab wanted to fuck that whale?
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    | text      = Absolutely.
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    | text      = Okay. Interesting.
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    | text      = Oh, man, absolutely.
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    | text      = I'm gonna have to rethink literature.
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    | text      = I, I genuinely (laughs) think most people should.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = How is, how is this actually about how smart people can't just say it's actually about fuckin' is a baseline
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    | text      = literary critical theory that I think more people could apply.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I'll, I'll, uh, I'll, uh, I'll, uh, insert it.
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    | text      = It's the way to do it.
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    | text      = Wait. What did I say?
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    | text      = Exactly.
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    | text      = Shit.
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    | text      = Ugh. What's your bright spot?
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    | text      = Um, I was just thinking about, uh, you know, we're recording this in advance because I'm gonna be-
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = ... on vacation.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = And I was thinking about the, uh, the, the, uh, the where in the world is Robert Del Rio.
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    | text      = (laughs)
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    | text      = And I just started to think about Rockapella.
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    | text      = You were thinking about Rockapella.
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    | text      = I got, I got excited-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ... for a second. I just... I, I don't know why. It's just funny that they existed.
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    | text      = It, it, it really is.
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    | text      = They were huge. (laughs)
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    | text      = What's, what's funnier is to, like, see the Pentatonix now, like, the actual
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    | text      = huge acapella groups-
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = ... and think, man, you guys would be nothing if it weren't for Rockapella.
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    | text      = Yeah, Rockapella walked so you could run.
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    | text      = Absolutely.
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    | text      = He-
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    | text      = You're trash.
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    | text      = The issue, too, though, is that, like, I think
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    | text      = now, I don't know, I don't... Maybe this is another thing that needs to be reassessed.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = But I feel like Pentatonix and those kinds of modern groups-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ... have kind of a, a sensuality to them.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = Right? There's a boy band-ish kind of quality to it.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, there's gotta be. You gotta give the people what they want.
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    | text      = That did not exist with Rockapella.
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    | text      = No. No, no, no.
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    | text      = They were not, uh, sexual icons.
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    | text      = Sexless.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Able
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    | text      = nonthreatening.
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    | text      = Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum.
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    | text      = Yep. Yeah.
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    | text      = I, I realized there was a, uh, there's a part of me that I have not
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    | text      = dealt with, uh, or, or integrated into my full, uh, self-
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = ... as an adult that is, I think, there was a
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    | text      = small part of my life where I thought I might end up the bass guy in an acapella group.
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    | text      = All right.
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    | text      = I think there was a short period of time where-
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    | text      = I like that.
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    | text      = ... where that was, like, a viable outcome.
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    | text      = I like the idea of you-
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    | text      = Bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, bum.
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    | text      = ... in a barbershop quartet.
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    | text      = Bum, bum, bum, bum.
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    | text      = That sounds fun.
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    | text      = (laughs)
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    | text      = You'd look great in one of those hats.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... today we have an episode to go over, Jordan.
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    | text      = All right.
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    | text      = We're gonna be doing another, uh, little depo-
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    | text      = All right.
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    | text      = ... uh, episode. We're talking about another deposition
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    | text      = in the case of the misidentification of the Allen, Texas-
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = ... uh, mass shooter.
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    | text      = Gotcha.
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    | text      = Uh, and in this instance, we're talking about the corporate representative for Newsmax.
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = The channel Newsmax had a number of programs that aired the wrong mugshot.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And, uh, so we get a corporate rep in there, but it's not an InfoWars corporate rep, so that's interesting.
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    | text      = I'm g- No, I'm genuinely very excited to see what the idea... Is it possible
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    | text      = to have a competent corporate rep is the question that I haven't really asked myself.
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    | text      = Well, I'm not, I'm not sure that we've had any non-InfoWars corporate reps.
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    | text      = That's what I'm saying.
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    | text      = 'Cause there's, like, the Rob dude, there's the Daria, and, uh, the
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    | text      = woman whose name is escaping me right now.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Brittany Paz.
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    | text      = That's right. Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = Um, and so I think those are the only examples we have. And, and
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Paz was as close to, like, an actual corporate representative of the three of them.
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    | text      = Totally. Totally.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = But even she was, you know, she was still a little InfoWarsy.
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    | text      = Oh, boy.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = There was, uh, still a fair amount of not, uh-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ... answering questions.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = Um, so we'll see how, uh, this is different and similar.
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Uh, but first, let's, uh, take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Ooh, that's a great idea.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So first, Hannah, "I'm sorry. I like podcasts with loud men that shout a lot. It's definitely Jordan."
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    | text      = "You've got the sexiest brain. Love, Joram." Uh,
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    | text      = Joram is pronounced Jor as in Jordan and um, I nailed it. It is, uh-
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    | text      = (laughs)
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    | timestamp = 00:07:06.819
    | text      = (laughs) ... in a sentence pause. Uh, thank you so much. You are now a Policy Wonk.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I'm a Policy Wonk.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Thank you very much.
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    | text      = I'm really excited that I got that-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I, I was pretty excited that you nailed it, too, 'cause I was kinda expecting you to-
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    | text      = I was very close to Joram.
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    | text      = Yep.
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    | text      = I think, I think there might be, like, some dust on my screen that looked like an accent mark.
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    | text      = That you almost got at the ooh. Nice.
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    | text      = I think it might've... I think, I think there's some dust on the screen that looked like an accent over the A.
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    | text      = Saved by the dust.
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    | text      = Nice.
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    | text      = (laughs)
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    | timestamp = 00:07:29.619
    | text      = Uh, next, friendly workplace middle
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    | timestamp = 00:07:31.259
    | text      = finger, for Jonathan. Love, Kurt in Alabama. Thank you so much. You're now a Policy Wonk.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:07:34.738
    | text      = I'm a Policy Wonk.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Thank you very much.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:07:36.399
    | text      = Thank you. And first off, you guys are amazing. Thank you for the hours and hours of quality
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:07:40.178
    | text      = entertainment. And also wanted to shout out my lovely girlfriend who converted me
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = to the cult of Selene and the world of Policy Wonks. Thank you for
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:07:45.999
    | text      = being my bright spot every day. Thank you so much. You're now a Policy Wonk.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:07:48.759
    | text      = I'm a Policy Wonk.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:07:49.699
    | text      = Thank you very much.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:07:50.699
    | text      = And we got a technocrat in the mic, Jordan.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:07:51.978
    | text      = Ooh.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:07:52.259
    | text      = Uh, so thank you so much to, hey, Lydia. Thank you for introducing me to Knowledge Fight. I consider
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:07:56.519
    | text      = you the coolest of kids and I hope you have a great birthday. Love, Asia, a
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:07:59.838
    | text      = slightly less cool kid. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I'm a Policy Wonk.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Four stars.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:08:05.523
    | text      = ... your mom and tell her you're brilliant.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:08:07.043
    | text      = Someone, someone sodomized, sent me a bucket of poop.
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    | timestamp = 00:08:09.682
    | text      = Daddy Sharp. (singing) Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean Black accent.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:08:16.423
    | text      = He's a loser little, little titty baby. I don't wanna hate Black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:08:22.862
    | text      = Thank you so much. (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:08:23.523
    | text      = Yes, thank you very much.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:08:24.762
    | text      = So we start off this, uh, deposition, as we do, uh, as it,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = uh, just kind of has become, uh, tradition, with, with the asking of what kind of preparation you've done-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:08:36.623
    | text      = Absolutely.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:08:37.202
    | text      = ... for, uh, for this deposition.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:08:39.043
    | text      = It's great.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:08:39.543
    | text      = Yeah. I feel like someone asking, "What have you done
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:08:42.923
    | text      = to prepare," uh, for our audience is kind of like the opening guitar lick-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Absolutely.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:08:48.004
    | text      = ... from Welcome to the Jungle.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:08:49.023
    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:08:50.123
    | text      = People are like, "Oh." Uh, so here, Mark asks-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:08:53.582
    | text      = Everybody's lighters immediately pop up, yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = All right, sir. Um, can you give us your name and your job title?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:09:00.144
    | text      = Yes. It's Andrew Allen Brown. I'm the chief operating officer of Newsmax Media.
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    | text      = All right, sir. Um, when were you first told that you'd be giving this deposition?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = About, uh, three weeks ago.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = About three weeks ago?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Three or four weeks ago.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Did you meet with your attorney about this deposition?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yes, I did.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = How long did y'all meet?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Over
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = several meetings. We probably met a total of, um,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = five to six hours.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:09:38.722
    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Did you talk to anyone other than your attorney about the subject matter of your testimony?
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    | text      = Yes. As part of, uh, my research for the questions at hand, I talked to, uh, several producers, uh, as well as
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = managers who were involved in this subject.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:09:58.243
    | text      = Okay. Did you review documents in preparation for the deposition?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:10:01.342
    | text      = I did, yes. I looked at,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:10:04.942
    | text      = uh, emails, uh,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:10:07.403
    | text      = on the topic. I also looked at show rundowns,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:10:10.602
    | text      = as well as, uh,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = uh, links to articles that showed the same, uh,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:10:17.582
    | text      = photo and story that were, uh, prior to us publishing.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And do you feel like today you are prepared to talk about the four topics you've been asked to testify about?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yes.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:10:31.503
    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:10:32.102
    | text      = So right off the bat, you can tell the, uh,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:10:34.562
    | text      = the difference between this deposition and one featuring an Infowars character.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:10:38.222
    | text      = For whatever you want to say about them being a horrible outlet full of the same kind of
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:10:41.863
    | text      = bullshit, Newsmax is an actual company. They
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:10:44.883
    | text      = operate like an actual business, not a single talent sideshow act meant to
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:10:48.423
    | text      = create shell companies to sell supplements.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:10:50.763
    | text      = Their COO, Andy Brown, is obviously a
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = shithead and a bad person because he continues to work in the job he does at the company he does,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:10:57.503
    | text      = but he's also a businessperson. When there's a
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:10:59.783
    | text      = need for someone to appear as a corporate representative, he understands what that means and has done
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = way more preparation than we've ever seen an Infowors, uh, person do.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:08.962
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:09.423
    | text      = He's representing that he's spoken to producers and
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:12.003
    | text      = looked into the matter in question in order to provide answers as
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = the company, which is what your responsibility is in this case.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:18.682
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:19.023
    | text      = So that's refreshing. A little-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:21.003
    | text      = It makes, it makes sense. Uh, I was thinking about this, and I realized that, like,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:26.822
    | text      = for me personally, it makes more sense to not know anything.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:31.123
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:31.702
    | text      = Because then
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:32.962
    | text      = I will not be asked to do it again.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:34.623
    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:34.903
    | text      = You know, they'll have to get somebody else.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:36.582
    | text      = This guy seems like a, he seems like a guy who should be giving one of these depositions.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:11:41.143
    | text      = He's a COO.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:42.283
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:42.722
    | text      = You know?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:43.423
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:43.562
    | text      = He's... Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:44.663
    | text      = In general, he feels like he's on top of things.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:46.802
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = That makes sense. Yeah.
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    | text      = And in the context of, you know, like, being, uh, uh, there
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = as a corporate representative, again, like if, if you're there as a person-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:55.202
    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:55.342
    | text      = ... it makes sense to hide behind, "I don't know."
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:57.883
    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:11:58.322
    | text      = Uh, but that's unacceptable as an answer as a corporate representative.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:12:01.602
    | text      = Right. 'Cause it's factual-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:12:02.842
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:12:03.283
    | text      = ... that we have information for it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:12:04.643
    | text      = And I think he gets that.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:12:05.783
    | text      = Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:12:06.863
    | text      = Um, and it comes out in, uh, just kind of, like, "I don't even... We
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:12:10.702
    | text      = can't, we can't, uh, argue over side issues."
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:12:13.182
    | text      = I like that.
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    | text      = Uh, which leads to a fair amount of admissions.
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    | text      = This is fascinating.
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    | text      = You understand that on May 6, 2023, uh, a neo-Nazi mass shooter killed people at the Allen Outlet Mall?
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Okay. You understand that on May 8th, 2023, Newsmax covered that shooting?
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = And you understand that on May 8th, 2023,
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    | text      = Newsmax repeatedly used the image of the plaintiff, Mauricio Garcia, to depict the shooter?
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = It's almost shocking that we're hearing a person who isn't trying to debate whether
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    | text      = or not the Allen shooter was a neo-Nazi.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = He isn't in this deposition room to fight or waste time. He's
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    | text      = actually answering questions, which doesn't happen with Alex's crew.
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    | text      = Mm-mm.
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    | text      = In giving direct answers, Andy has indicated that there's no
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    | text      = substantive disagreement that this shooting happened, it was carried out by a Nazi dude, and that two
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    | text      = days after the shooting, Newsmax reported on the wrong guy as the shooter. This saves so much time because
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    | text      = these are just demonstrably true things. And him answering this
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    | text      = way means they don't have to treat him like a baby who doesn't want to eat their vegetables-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ... which is what we're so used to.
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    | text      = Yeah. You know, I was... And the, the
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    | text      = other thing I was immediately thinking while he was responding to this is,
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    | text      = "Oh, if you do it this way, they can only get you for what they think you did, not what you actually did."
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = You know what I mean?
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = Like, with, with Owen, with the last one that we listened to, there's a certain amount of like,
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    | text      = "I didn't even know that we were gonna talk about that today.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:13:48.322
    | text      = You are the one who introduced this whole proceeding." Like, yeah.
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    | timestamp = 00:13:51.743
    | text      = Yeah, yeah. "You, uh, uh, are being so petulant and silly that-"
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = "... I'm required to demonstrate in your face that this is a pattern of behavior that you have."
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    | text      = Absolutely.
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    | text      = Uh, and, "You're an insincere fuck."
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = You could have just been like, "No."
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yep, perfect.
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    | text      = Like, I, I think that this guy, uh, Andy, still sucks.
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    | text      = Of course.
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    | text      = And I think there's obviously some pretty
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    | text      = interesting stuff that ends up going down throughout this deposition.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = But from a base level, there is a recognition that they fucked up.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And he's not trying to dispute that.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = And there's no, like, "Isn't it our First Amendment right to be able to say-"
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    | text      = Right.
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    | timestamp = 00:14:26.222
    | text      = "... whatever we want?"
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    | text      = Right, right, right. No-
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    | text      = Or any of that.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:14:27.942
    | text      = ... he's a businessman. What's our number?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = There's no-
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    | timestamp = 00:14:29.602
    | text      = What's the number we're gonna get to?
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    | text      = There's no theatrics or, or-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | timestamp = 00:14:32.702
    | text      = ... or any of that, which is, uh...
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    | text      = I, I find it to be, uh, more productive.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:14:37.722
    | text      = It's a very, it's a very strange thing that we're like, "This is refreshing." (laughs)
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    | text      = Yeah. So they, uh, discuss, uh, how there are editorial policies-
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | timestamp = 00:14:47.302
    | text      = ... at, uh, Newsmax.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:14:48.623
    | text      = Um, I first want to start with Newsmax policies.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And it is my understanding
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = that the company does not have
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = written editorial standards regarding the verification of images it publishes. Is that correct?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Uh, most... That is correct, yes.
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    | timestamp = 00:15:09.802
    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Damn!
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:15:11.102
    | text      = In general, does the company have editorial standards?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:15:14.302
    | text      = Yes, we do.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:15:17.403
    | text      = Does the company believe that its editorial requirements
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = meet or exceed the prevailing standards in the commercial journalism industry?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:15:25.023
    | text      = Yeah, it's actually form...
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Yes, we do.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:15:30.363
    | text      = Is it the usual practice of your company to take steps to verify the accuracy of images it publishes?
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    | timestamp = 00:15:40.222
    | text      = Yes, it is our usual practice.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:15:42.202
    | text      = Uh, what steps does the company expect its employees to take
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = before broadcasting a photo portraying someone as a mass murder?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:15:52.182
    | text      = It's actually form...
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Any photo that we publish in connection with any story, uh, should be verified
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:16:01.722
    | text      = that the photo is accurate before it runs. Um, we have a central news desk
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = that we use for verifying photos.
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    | timestamp = 00:16:10.899
    | text      = All right, um, that, that process, did that happen here in this case?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = No, it didn't.
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    | timestamp = 00:16:17.999
    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:16:18.658
    | text      = That's pretty blunt.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:16:19.619
    | text      = All right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:16:20.078
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:16:20.379
    | text      = "Hey, we fucked up. Let's move on."
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:16:22.119
    | text      = We've got, uh, these standards that are in place.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:16:25.019
    | text      = There aren't written rules necessarily about how we confirm photos.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:16:28.999
    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:16:29.240
    | text      = The central news desk will verify these things. Those steps weren't taken in this case.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:16:34.220
    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:16:34.619
    | text      = And, uh, I mean, uh, the... You just never get this kind of, like, frankness from Alex. (laughs)
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    | text      = No. No, and what's fun is I could feel
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:16:43.139
    | text      = his like... The moment that he was asked about whether or not there were written guidelines and he said
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = no, I could feel his like... Within those six hours
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:16:50.639
    | text      = of meetings with my lawyers, they were very unhappy about that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:16:53.980
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:16:54.259
    | text      = As we talked about that, they were like, "You really should have had these written down."
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:16:57.839
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:16:57.859
    | text      = And I was like, "Fuck, that's not good." And if you were an InfoWars employee, there would have been a whole
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:17:01.918
    | text      = thing about how actually, it's the lawyer's fucking fault
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:05.098
    | text      = for not forcing me to have these employee guidelines written down.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:08.640
    | text      = What's a guideline?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:09.699
    | text      = Exactly.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:10.578
    | text      = We-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:10.638
    | text      = Why would I write it down? Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:12.199
    | text      = Yeah. "You, you can't prove that's me in that video of me."
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:15.098
    | text      = Absolutely. (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:15.759
    | text      = (laughs) What?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:16.078
    | text      = Yeah, and instead this guy's like, "Yeah, they were real pissed about that."
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    | timestamp = 00:17:18.959
    | text      = Yeah, it's almost-
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:19.939
    | text      = Whoops.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:19.979
    | text      = It's almost like-
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    | timestamp = 00:17:20.979
    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:21.479
    | text      = ... this is a person who's being asked questions and answering them.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:24.499
    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:24.719
    | text      = Whereas Alex's depositions turn into this exercise in like epistemology.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:29.778
    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:30.318
    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:30.358
    | text      = What is real?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:31.199
    | text      = Yeah. (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:31.318
    | text      = Let's, let's get to the real nitty-gritty-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:33.479
    | text      = How can we know anything ever happened?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:35.519
    | text      = Ca- Can we? We can't.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:36.679
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:36.979
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:37.019
    | text      = My cells are not the same as they were five years ago.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:40.118
    | text      = Absolutely. Did you know every seven years?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:41.699
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:41.979
    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:43.179
    | text      = Fuck off, man.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:44.118
    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:45.179
    | text      = So,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:45.959
    | text      = not to be too kind to Andy.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:48.798
    | text      = Sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:49.138
    | text      = Uh, but th- that is a totally different vibe. Uh, but he does still have
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:54.979
    | text      = kind of
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:55.999
    | text      = some stuff that he won't accept admitting.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:17:59.759
    | text      = Right. Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:00.098
    | text      = And we see some of that in this, this next clip, where, uh, they're talking
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:03.919
    | text      = about how, uh... Mark is asking about whether or not you should have more care
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:10.058
    | text      = when you're reporting on a story where you might accidentally accuse somebody of being a murderer.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:13.919
    | text      = Possible.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:14.638
    | text      = And Andy's angle on it is, we should always take care.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:17.759
    | text      = Sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:17.919
    | text      = Which is nice.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:19.098
    | text      = Sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:19.638
    | text      = Um, but then it leads... That conversation leads into, um, a position he is not willing to accept.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:26.979
    | text      = Right. Right, right, right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:27.999
    | text      = Uh, the company should take special care
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:31.078
    | text      = with news that might cause grief or damage people's reputations. Would you agree with that?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:37.618
    | text      = Objection, form.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:40.439
    | text      = The company should always take care with any news regardless of what that news is.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:44.798
    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:48.959
    | text      = Would the company agree
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:51.159
    | text      = that its journalists would not fulfill their responsibilities in verifying the photo
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:56.838
    | text      = of a suspected mass murderer
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:18:58.838
    | text      = by assuming other news media have verified the image?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:19:01.739
    | text      = Objection, Form.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:19:11.019
    | text      = Can you rephrase that question?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:19:12.818
    | text      = Sure. The question I'm asking is if the company agrees
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:19:16.818
    | text      = that a journalist for the company
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:19:19.278
    | text      = would not fulfill their responsibilities in verifying the photo of a suspected mass murderer
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:19:24.719
    | text      = by assuming other news media have verified the image?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:19:27.898
    | text      = Um,
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    | text      = our journalists should always verify the sources that we use on air or on our website.
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    | text      = Those sources can be multiple, uh... They can be in multiple places, so... Um,
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    | text      = you know, we can... The best is someone in- involved in the investigation, which didn't happen here.
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    | text      = Would the company agree
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    | text      = that when publishing the image of a purported mass murderer,
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    | text      = to arrive at a reasonable assurance that the image is accurate?
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    | text      = Is that consistent with the company's policies?
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    | text      = Objection, Form.
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    | text      = Again, it's not limited to just mass murderers. Anything that we
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    | text      = publish, we should verify that it's accurate, uh,
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    | text      = from the source that, uh, is involved with the investigation or involved with the story directly.
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    | text      = And you would agree with me that in this particular situation, uh, the company published an image
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    | text      = Objection, form. The, the company...
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    | text      = We published an image that, um, we had
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    | text      = not verified with the, the investigators in charge of, uh, the shooting.
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    | text      = that, the company did not have any sort of reasonable assurance that the image was accurate?
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    | text      = Objection, form. At the time we published the image, we thought it was accurate.
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    | text      = I understand that somebody thought
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    | text      = at that conclusion, they did not have a reasonable assurance that it was accurate, correct?
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    | text      = Objection, form.
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    | text      = They wouldn't have published it if they
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    | text      = didn't have a reasonable assurance that they thought it was accurate.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = So here is this, uh, sticking point that he's coming to, which is,
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    | text      = obviously I can't say that they... I, I, I can say they made a mistake-
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    | text      = But I can't say that they had no reason-
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    | text      = ... or, or acted responsibly and still made a mistake.
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    | text      = You can't... I can't just be like, "Of course they had no reason to do this." It was-
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    | text      = I feel like what Mark is actually trying to ask is,
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    | text      = if your policy is you can publish any old thing as long as you see a bunch of assholes publishing it,
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    | text      = Then in this case, do you feel like just seeing a bunch of assholes publishing this photo
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    | text      = is justification enough for you to say, "We have done our full duty in verifying it"?
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = Or do you think maybe you should fucking make a phone call?
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah, it, it... Well, it's...
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    | text      = To... There is no dispute that they made a mistake.
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    | text      = That they, they broadcast and reported on this f- uh, not fake picture, but like-
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    | text      = ... uh, incorrect picture.
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    | text      = So there isn't really a dispute there.
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    | text      = But it's still damaging, uh, for the Newsmax side of things-
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    | text      = Exactly.
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    | text      = Like, there, there's not like... Uh, th- they thought they were doing the right thing at the time-
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    | text      = ... is the safe harbor that he has for the-
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    | text      = ... we're usually right.
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    | text      = By, by saying you should always do this thing, you're saying that you mean to always do this thing.
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = But if what we're actually saying is you'll just post any old bullshit,
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    | text      = then obviously you think it's okay to do this.
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    | text      = Well, the issue, too, when you're... Even with what you're saying-
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    | text      = ... is that it's not any old bullshit.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = It's a certain type of bullshit. You know, it's... And this is-
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    | text      = Right. Right, right, right.
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    | text      = ... where this deposition, I think, really gets interesting, is the selective way
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    | text      = that critical thinking is used.
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    | text      = Um, and so that-
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = And, and that leads us into, uh, bringing up of an email from Chris Wallace, the head of the news department-
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = ... at, uh, Newsmax.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Um, he has some very interesting things to say-
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = ... in the aftermath of the Allen shooting.
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    | text      = I'm listening.
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    | text      = I want to talk about the circumstances surrounding
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    | text      = the company's acquisition of the photo...... um, and its decision to publish the photo. And
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    | text      = primarily, I wanna talk about how it ended up on Greg Kelly's show at 9:00 PM on May 8th.
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    | text      = So, I want to go back to that date, May 8th, 2023.
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    | text      = Um, and first I wanna show you an email that was sent that morning. Um, can we bring up tab one?
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    | text      = All right, and we're gonna be marking that as exhibit one.
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    | text      = Now, I'm showing you, uh, exhibit one is an email
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    | text      = sent from the news desk address to producers and reporters. Do you see that?
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    | text      = I do. It's a little small, but
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I'm familiar with the email.
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    | text      = Mark, can you zoom in a little bit? Just talk to it.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = All right. And- and actually, if you can scroll up just a little bit to the header of the
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    | text      = document. Um, we see here that this email was sent at 11:30 AM on the 8th.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = This would have been, uh, Chris Wallace writing this email.
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    | text      = Um, yes. I would assume it's Chris Wallace since it came from the Newsmax desk. He-
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    | text      = Chris has several people who work for him.
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    | text      = Now, Chris Wallace is the Newsmax news director?
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    | text      = That's correct, yes.
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    | text      = Okay. The subject is, "Guidance on Brownsville and Allen, Texas?"
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Okay. And you are familiar that, um, in the previous days to this email,
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    | text      = that there were, uh, homicides both in Brownsville and Allen, Texas?
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    | text      = Correct, yes. Okay. I'm aware of them.
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    | text      = All right. In the first paragraph, Wallace says... Do you see in the second sentence,
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    | text      = "We, as a network, need to be very careful about parroting
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    | text      = any reports about subjects in these incidents." Do you see that?
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    | text      = I do.
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    | text      = Does the company agree with that statement?
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = He then says that these reports are more often
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    | text      = than not, perhaps invariably, later repudiated. Do you see that?
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    | text      = Objection, form.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Okay. And when he says
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    | text      = that they are more often than not, perhaps invariably, later
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    | text      = repudiated, what that means is that they turn out not to be true.
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    | text      = Right?
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    | text      = Objection, form.
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    | text      = I
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    | text      = assume that's what he means by that, yes.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = You see the third paragraph is about the Allen shooting and Mauricio Garcia.
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    | text      = Do you see that?
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Okay. Uh, Mr. Wallace mentions tattoos and patches on social media.
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    | text      = Um, this
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    | text      = refers to the tattoos and the right-wing death squad patch
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    | text      = that was found on a social media profile alleged to belong to the shooter.
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    | text      = Is that a question or are you making a statement?
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    | text      = Yes. Yes, I was, I was saying, are- were you familiar with that, that these
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    | text      = references to tattoos and patches on social media-
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    | text      = Yes, I'm familiar, I'm familiar with the references, yes.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = In the fourth paragraph, Wallace says,
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    | text      = "We reduce ourselves to MSM status by repeating
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    | text      = unverified and likely patently false statements and
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = creating a distorted picture of what happened." Do you see that?
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    | text      = Wow, fascinating.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Okay. MSM is, that's an abbreviation that y'all would use for mainstream media?
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = In the last paragraph, Wallace says, "Treat everything we've been hearing about
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    | text      = both of these cases with caution, please."
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    | text      = Does the company agree with that statement?
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    | timestamp = 00:28:06.462
    | text      = Yes.
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    | timestamp = 00:28:06.863
    | text      = So, this email from Chris Wallace is really interesting because at first it looks like he's
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:28:12.143
    | text      = cautioning against doing the exact things that ended up getting Newsmax sued, but in reality, it's not.
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    | text      = This is Wallace telling the staff not to report
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    | text      = on these kinds of immediate, unverified news items that always end up getting disproven in
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    | text      = time. But specifically, he's telling them
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    | text      = not to report on the Nazi tattoos and the right-wing death squad patch.
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    | text      = Everyone operating in this media environment
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    | text      = knows that a Nazi mass shooting is bad for their bottom line, so the first mission is going to be deny
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    | text      = that, uh, he was a Nazi mass shooter.
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    | text      = That's why there was, they were so desperate to find a bogus mugshot
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    | text      = to push the narrative that the Nazi mass shooter thing was a media hoax, and that
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    | text      = same editorial policy is guiding what Wallace is telling his reporters in that email.
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    | text      = He's assuring them that eventually it'll come out that these Nazi
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    | text      = tattoos were a hoax, so don't cover that angle of the story.
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    | text      = to go with the verifiable mainstream media that's reporting on all of this stuff, but what you need to do
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    | text      = is look between the lines for a not-Nazi guy.
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    | text      = bit of, uh, conflict at this exact moment, because there wasn't
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    | text      = really solid, verifiable information about a lot of the Nazi tattoos-
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    | text      = ... and the right-wing death squad patch. Some of that had sort of a dubious origin on social media.
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    | text      = Sure, sure.
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    | text      = Um, and so not fully trusting that makes sense.
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    | text      = ... as opposed to just what's convenient.
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    | text      = similar to the Watson email, insofar as it's like, "Hey, maybe don't do this whole Sandy Hook thing."
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = But at the same time, it's from a warped, Black Mirror-esque point of view of, like, "Don't be like
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    | text      = the people who do, don't do this."
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = "Don't, don't cover these spurious accusations that he's a Nazi."
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    | text      = "Cover the spurious accusations that say that he's not a Nazi."
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    | text      = Exactly. Don't, don't do what you wouldn't
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    | text      = It's wild.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fascinating.
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    | text      = So, um, in the, uh,
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    | text      = moment when you're getting this story, uh, about, uh, the mugshot that is inaccurate...
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Um,
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    | text      = one of the things you probably should do if you're, uh, uh,
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    | text      = in, in a reporting capacity is, like, ask some, uh, some
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    | text      = questions about, like, "Could this possibly be correct?"
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    | text      = Sure, absolutely.
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    | text      = There were some things that everyone did know after the shooting.
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = Um, the, the shooter was dead. Uh, the shooter had no criminal history.
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    | text      = We knew these things from, uh, the official sources.
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = And so because of that,
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    | text      = they should have known that it's impossible that this mugshot would have been of him.
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    | text      = It is impossible.
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    | text      = And unfortunately, uh,
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    | text      = this, Andy can't even just deny that.
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    | text      = Just, yeah, well-
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    | text      = He just can't deny it.
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    | text      = Well, fuck it.
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    | text      = As you see, exhibit two is a Newsmax article.
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    | text      = Um, do you see that it says that it was published at 11:56 AM on May 8th?
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    | text      = Let me scroll down below the picture so you can see that.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = Um,
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    | text      = the headline that says the shooter had a City of Dallas tattoo. Do you see that?
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Were, were you familiar that the shooter had a Dallas logo tattoo on his hand?
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    | text      = Yeah, so
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    | text      = I saw the, uh, the, uh,
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    | text      = emails from our news desk about that.
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    | text      = Okay. And so we know that at this point, at 11:56 AM,
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    | text      = Newsmax knew there was a City of Dallas tattoo that the gunman had.
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    | text      = Objection, form.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Okay. Can you go to page two for me?
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    | text      = And scroll down to the highlighted portion.
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    | text      = You see there's a, a highlighted portion there
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    | text      = that says that Garcia reportedly had no criminal history, right?
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    | text      = I see the highlighted, yes.
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    | text      = Okay. And Newsmax also knew
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    | text      = that the shooter wasn't booked for the shooting itself, right?
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    | text      = Objection form.
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    | text      = That was limp.
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    | text      = You mean, uh...
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    | text      = Well, he wasn't arrested yet.
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    | text      = The shooter who died?
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    | text      = Right, he wasn't arrested, he was dead.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = Mkay. So the company knew,
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    | text      = as of 11:56, that the, that Garcia had no criminal history
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    | text      = and that he wasn't arrested for the shooting, right?
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    | text      = Objection form.
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    | text      = At the time of the article, we knew that the, the shoot- the, the shooter was dead, yes.
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    | text      = Mkay.
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    | text      = And so Newsmax should've known
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    | text      = that a booking photograph could not depict the shooter, right?
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    | text      = Objection form.
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    | text      = If you put it all together then yes, they, the...
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    | text      = Wow!
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    | text      = The people on TV are not directly getting
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    | text      = stories from the people who run our website. So they should not have seen this.
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    | text      = Hm.
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    | text      = I'm sorry, please continue.
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    | text      = (laughs)
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    | text      = No, that's, that's all I have to say.
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    | text      = Okay. Um,
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    | text      = it's sort of the job of a journalist in a, a
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    | text      = commercial journalism enterprise to put it all together, as you said, right?
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    | timestamp = 00:33:51.146
    | text      = Wow!
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Wow.
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    | text      = Wow.
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    | text      = (laughs) I mean, when you put it like that, it makes us look bad.
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    | text      = I mean, it is, it is tough to be like, "All right, so, uh, you know, we have, uh, this piece, this piece."
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = If you look at those pieces together, you obviously have it wrong, right?
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah, I guess so.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = I guess if you look at it, we were, we sh- it has, uh, when you ph- put it like this and lay it all out...
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Someone has absolutely no, uh, no leg to stand on of like,
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    | text      = yeah, we, we, we either are dumb or we meant to fuck this up.
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    | text      = Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. Well, when you put it all together.
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    | text      = Y- are you in an industry that, uh, essentially prizes itself on, uh, putting things all together?
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = Are you?
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    | text      = Mm.
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    | text      = If you are, let's figure out where we wanna be
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    | text      = when your answer to that question is, "We didn't put it all together."
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = So there's about, you, uh, you would have every reason in the moment to see this mugshot...
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ...and be like, "Could that be the same person? He has no criminal history."
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = You know, uh, but those questions don't come up...
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ...because you want this to be true.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And so you run with it.
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    | text      = You know they did not book a corpse for this, correct?
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    | text      = Right. They didn't...
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:35:02.567
    | text      = Weekend at Bernie's is what they're looking for.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There were not two cops holding him up by his arms as though he was, yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = So on the 8th, uh, after the shooting, uh, someone emailed, uh, Wallace, Chris Wallace.
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    | text      = Mm.
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    | text      = The, uh, a Twitter thread...
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    | text      = Mm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:35:18.586
    | text      = ...about the Nazi social media account of the, of the shooter.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = All right, I wanna show you this email
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    | text      = from May 3rd. I mean, I'm, excuse me. I wanna show you this email from May 8th.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = We're gonna be marking this as exhibit three.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:35:33.246
    | text      = At the bottom you see an email from Joseph, and can you help me with his last name?
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    | text      = Um,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I actually don't know how to pronounce his last name.
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    | text      = (laughs)
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    | text      = Uh, Marisu,
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    | text      = Marisoo. I, I, honestly do not know how to pronounce Joseph's last name.
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    | text      = I think, I think it might be Marasculio,
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    | text      = which is, I hope I'm not butchering that. I'm gonna try to use that term (laughs) , use that pronunciation.
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    | text      = Okay, just one.
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    | text      = Um, at the bottom of the email is, is,
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    | text      = at the bottom is an email from Joseph Marasculio. Um, he works for the Newsmax news desk?
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    | text      = Correct.
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    | text      = Mkay.
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    | text      = Um, at 3:33 PM,
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    | text      = he sent Wallace, Chris Wallace, the news director, a link to a Twitter thread,
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    | text      = and said reportedly, "This is the social media profile discovered of the guy." Is that right?
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    | text      = Correct.
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    | text      = Mkay, and you know that that Twitter thread is by Art Tolar, a researcher from Bellingcat?
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    | text      = Objection form.
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    | text      = I, I am not sure who the originator of the, the Twitter is.
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    | text      = Mkay. Um, are, are you familiar that,
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    | text      = without knowing who the person was, that
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    | text      = somebody discovered th- a social media profile that they alleged belonged to the shooter?
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    | text      = Yes, I'm aware of that.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = Would you agree that multiple people in Newsmax
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    | text      = reviewed this Twitter thread from Mr., th- um, about the social media profile?
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    | text      = Uh,
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    | text      = yes, but I also know that they don't
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    | text      = use information
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    | text      = strictly from social media. It wasn't until
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    | text      = the photo was being used by a number of other major websites, um, that the photo was used by our staff.
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    | text      = Mkay. Well put it th- I wanted to remember that
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    | text      = to come back and talk about these major websites, so we'll talk about that in a bit.
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    | text      = That is kind of okay in almost any other context.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = Of a like, well, we're seeing this stuff from social media.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = We're not gonna jump on this.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = Uh, whatev- but like, it's, it's so interesting, the, the like,
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    | text      = okay, well, y- you all knew this in the background.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And that night, you had a guy on TV who was reporting on something else spurious.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Like, you have these instincts when you need them.
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    | text      = And then when you don't wanna have them, you don't use these instincts at all.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're capable of this level of cunning, why are you incapable of this?
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah, it is fascinating!
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    | text      = And how do you, how do you expect me not to think, like, it was a choice...
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ...instead of a mistake?
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    | text      = Yeah, it is very weird
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    | text      = in these scenarios, because it is like,
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    | text      = I live in topsy-turvy world where where I was when this occurred, everything made perfect sense.
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    | text      = Hm.
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    | text      = But now that I'm in this room with you
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    | text      = and you're asking me these questions, maybe it did not make perfect sense at the time.
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    | text      = Hm.
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    | text      = And in fact, you're making me feel like maybe we made a lot of bad choices.
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    | text      = But b- you know, the, uh, all you can do really is pretend to be the company and say yes or no and...
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    | text      = I mean, right? It's so weird. It's so weird. Yeah.
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    | text      = So, uh, Chris Wallace got this, uh, email that had the, uh, Twitter thread.
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    | text      = On it.
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    | text      = And, uh, he had a response to that.
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    | text      = In this email, um,
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    | text      = hold on, let's go back up to that, that exhibit, AJ.
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    | text      = And in the top email, Chris Wallace, um, he instructs
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    | text      = that this Twitter thread should not be disseminated, correct?
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    | text      = Oh, that's not good.
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    | text      = And, and I would assume that's because
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    | text      = nobody's been able to verify it yet.
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    | text      = Mm.
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    | text      = Objection form.
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    | text      = Yes. Okay.
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    | text      = So this is a key moment, because what you have here is a clear illustration of intent.
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    | text      = There are two pieces of presumably unsubstantiated information that Newsmax can
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    | text      = report on, or they could report on neither.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = One of them is a Twitter thread alleging
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    | text      = to be of the mass shooter, which shows him to be a Nazi and share a media diet with a large number
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    | text      = of Newsmax viewers. The other is a mugshot someone claims is the shooter which would show
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    | text      = that he's not a Nazi. They have no reason to trust that either is confirmed.
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    | text      = The Twitter thread would turn out to be accurate, but they would be
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    | text      = well within their rights to hold off on reporting it based on the level
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    | text      = of confirmation that they had at this time.
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    | text      = If this was about confirmation and standards, then they should have published neither.
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    | text      = But instead, they directly say not to spread the Twitter thread and then report on the incorrect mugshot...
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    | text      = Yep.
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    | text      = ...despite the very obvious questions they should have about its authenticity.
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    | text      = Yep.
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    | text      = They made this choice because their coverage is strategic, not informational.A right-wing Nazi
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    | text      = lunatic killed a bunch of people, so this media space's number one priority is making
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    | text      = sure they have a story to tell that includes, "It
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    | text      = totally wasn't a right-wing Nazi who
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    | text      = did it. They're just saying it was a right-wing Nazi because they wanna make you Trump fans feel
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    | text      = bad." One of these pieces of unverified information serves that purpose and one does not.
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    | text      = So the one that serves the purpose gets covered, and the one that doesn't is pushed aside.
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    | text      = When called to answer for why Newsmax wouldn't cover the Twitter thread, they can very
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    | text      = proudly say that it didn't meet their standards for being verified.
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    | text      = Totally.
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    | text      = However, because of their real-world actions around this case
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    | text      = and the mugshot, it's clear that those standards aren't real-
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    | text      = Ooh.
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    | text      = ... and appealing to them is an attempt to obscure their real function as a media outlet. And he-
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    | text      = Almost like they should have written them down. (laughs)
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    | text      = You could see it in that case, right?
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I mean, like, you can just see this is,
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    | text      = ah-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ... the, uh, you, you have a good defense for not covering the Nazi pictures.
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    | text      = Yep.
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    | text      = They, they are not confirmed, and you have standards that you have to uphold.
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    | text      = Yep.
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    | text      = Uh, but when in the exact same case, on the same day, you're, uh, betraying those standards
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    | text      = in service of pushing
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    | text      = a counter-narrative-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ... it's clear what you're doing.
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    | text      = (smacks lips) Yep. Yeah. I mean, it, it, there's, there's a certain part of me that, like,
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    | text      = sometimes you can see the kind of person who plays golf with three mulligans.
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = You know? Because it is like he's, he's hearing this question and asked,
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    | text      = and he does get exactly what's going on.
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    | text      = And there's a part of him that feels like maybe I can just be like, "No. Push.
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    | timestamp = 00:42:03.567
    | text      = Next." You know? Like, there's no way for me to answer this question that isn't incriminating.
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    | text      = Well, in this case, at least, it's like, okay, so, uh, Chris Wallace said not to publish this thread.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Saying, uh, that... If, if you're being asked, "Is this because it was not confirmed?"
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    | timestamp = 00:42:19.547
    | text      = Right.
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    | timestamp = 00:42:19.867
    | text      = ... yes is the right answer.
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    | text      = Correct.
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    | text      = It just will end up implicating y- the actions of the company-
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    | timestamp = 00:42:25.686
    | text      = Totally.
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    | timestamp = 00:42:25.967
    | text      = ... around the others. It's still not in your interest to say, "No, that's not why."
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    | text      = No, of course.
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    | text      = (laughs)
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    | timestamp = 00:42:30.166
    | text      = It's, it is fascinating because he is hiding the truth around a false truth.
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    | text      = Yep.
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    | text      = You know? There is... But that's, that's like our, our
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    | text      = fundamental existence now is defined by the accurate falsehood-
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = ... wherein people tell you something that is defensible but is also absolutely not true at all.
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    | text      = Yeah, and it's also hiding the sort of cancer of what this company does-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | timestamp = 00:42:54.527
    | text      = ... in the, uh, thin candy shell of-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = ... that is the right thing to do in this instance. Like, you did make the correct call-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | timestamp = 00:43:03.226
    | text      = ... perhaps with not rushing and jumping on this Nazi story-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | timestamp = 00:43:06.786
    | text      = ... uh, waiting until there was more confirmation. You're, that, that is virtue, uh, in a media outlet.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = Uh, and you're wearing that as a mask to cover-
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    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:43:15.746
    | text      = ... the insidiousness and awfulness of what you are.
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    | text      = Right. We understand that we are tolerated
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    | text      = because we exist in a barest minimum of appearing like a journalistic outlet.
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    | timestamp = 00:43:28.646
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:43:28.987
    | text      = And we didn't even accomplish that this time.
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    | text      = Nah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = So I think that moments like that are really what makes, uh, like, these depositions so interesting.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | timestamp = 00:43:38.306
    | text      = Is, uh-
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    | text      = having to answer a question and the implications of it are-
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    | text      = ... are shocking sometimes.
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    | text      = It's like a, it's like a pin in chess-
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    | text      = ... where it's like, you're gonna have to choose, or is it your bishop or your rook?
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    | text      = You choose. Yeah.
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    | text      = So, uh, the conversation goes on to talking about the very clear, uh, Nazi evidence-
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    | text      = ... uh, that was presented from-
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    | text      = ... this Twitter thread.
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    | text      = And this is the Thread Reader webpage
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    | text      = linked to in that previous email at threadreader.com, okay? And so I wanna take a look at this. Has, has
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    | text      = this something... Uh, is this something you've ever reviewed?
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    | text      = No, it's not.
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    | text      = Okay. Um, we, we see on the thread here, um, where
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    | text      = this person Araktoler,
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    | text      = uh, has disclosed a link to the social media profile on ok.ru. Do you see that?
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    | text      = I do, yes.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = Um, and, and can you go to page three for me?
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    | text      = All right, and here we see the right-wing death squad vest the authorities said the shooter was wearing?
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    | text      = I see it, yeah.
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    | text      = Okay. And then could we go to page five?
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    | text      = And these are the tattoos that were on social media
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    | text      = that we were talking about earlier?
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    | text      = Objection, form.
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    | text      = I see them, yes.
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    | text      = Okay. And, and this is very clearly Nazi tattoos, right?
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Okay. Uh, Newsmax, uh, employees would be familiar with what a
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    | text      = swastika looks like, and they would be familiar with what SS lightning bolts look like?
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    | text      = Objection, form.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = Uh, can we go to page nine?
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    | text      = All right, here, we see that the profile posted about the
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    | text      = Allen Outlets a few weeks before the shooting. Did you know that?
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    | text      = I did not, no.
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    | text      = Do you know if anybody at the company knew that?
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    | text      = I don't know if anybody at the company knew that at the time that the story was published.
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    | text      = Could we go to p- page 10?
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    | text      = Oh.
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    | text      = Not what I wanted to hear.
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    | text      = And here, we have a picture posted by that account of the Allen Outlet Mall a few weeks before.
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    | text      = Do you know if anybody in the company had looked at this?
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    | text      = I don't know if anybody had looked at this at the time that the, um,
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    | text      = story was published.
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    | text      = Okay. And then go to page 11 for me.
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    | text      = Drop the hammer.
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    | text      = Here, we see a receipt that the account-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ... posted for weapons under the name Mauricio Garcia. Do you know if anybody at the company saw this?
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    | text      = I
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    | text      = don't know if anybody at the company saw this at the time of the ph- the story published.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = All right, we can take that one down.
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    | text      = Now, instead of photos from that profile, uh,
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    | text      = Newsmax began using a photo of the plaintiff, who had nothing to do with the shooting. Correct?
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    | text      = That is correct.
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    | text      = So you have, um, essentially... Like, obviously, this is not proof that it's this person's account.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = But if you are a person who's, uh, uh, uh, capable of thought at all-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ... uh, the fact that this account had posted pictures of the location of the shooting-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ... receipts for weapons, and stuff like that,
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    | text      = you, you, even if you're not gonna report on it, this should give you some kind of a, like, "Uh..."
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = This, this looks more convincing that it is the person who did this-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ... than a random mugshot.
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    | text      = Yeah. I am not gonna blame a rhesus monkey for, for, like, throwing something, but you're a thinking ape.
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = You made a choice. Here's the evidence you made a choice.
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    | text      = And here's, well, but here's all the stuff that you decided not to make a choice about.
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    | text      = No, that's what, that's what I'm saying, yeah.
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    | text      = You decided to ignore all this shit.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = You cannot say that you did not deliberately do something.
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    | text      = You were not, like, reacting to a bunch of, uh, uh, star beams hitting you.
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    | text      = Hmm.
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    | text      = You were like, "One of these is good for me. One of these is bad for me."
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Now we understand.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Um, and so we get to the, the slight rationale for, uh, you know, this, this mugshot.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = They found it on some sites. You know? It's other people-
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    | text      = Good enough for me.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Um, you've seen this photo, right?
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    | text      = Yes, I have.
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    | text      = Okay. One of Greg Kelly's producers found this picture
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    | text      = on a local news website in Wichita, Kansas?
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    | text      = Yes, uh,
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    | text      = Megan, uh, told me, uh, in my investigation that, uh,
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    | text      = the photo was in our, uh, mass system, uh, that normally,
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    | text      = uh, only has photos that have been approved by the news desk.
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    | text      = And she went out to verify the photo and saw it on an ABC affiliate in Wichita.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = And she actually found this specific image, correct?
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    | text      = That is correct, yes.
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    | text      = Okay. And a different producer
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    | text      = also found the image on something called Today News Africa, correct?
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    | text      = (laughs)
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    | text      = Yeah, Chris Tomasz. Um, he's, he is the, uh, journalist who first, uh, brought the photo into our system.
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    | text      = Um,
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    | text      = when the story broke, he went, um, to search about the shooter, um,
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    | text      = and
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    | text      = he said that he saw the photo and story, uh, on Yahoo,
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    | text      = on the Yahoo News aggregate, and he also saw the link to
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    | text      = the, uh, the Africa website, uh, on MSN. And so, both of those major, uh,
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    | text      = a- news aggregates had this photo and the story, um, and
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    | text      = links to local news, uh,
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    | text      = uh, websites.
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    | text      = Did the company know when this photo was taken?
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    | text      = No.
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    | text      = Ah, that's not good.That's not good.Yeah. So
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    | text      = they, they, they found a couple of things that were on, uh, weird obscure sites that, uh, had been
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    | text      = aggregated by, uh, somewhat legitimate sounding
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    | text      = things like Yahoo and MSN.Whatcha gonna do?Sure.Once, once Wich-
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    | text      = so goes Wichita, so goes the news.Sure.Everybody's always said that.Yep.Absolutely.Mostly
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    | text      = the people in Manhattan, Kansas.Truly. Truly.
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    | text      = They, uh-I'm trying to think of another
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    | text      = city in Kansas. (laughs) Lawrence.That's the problem, that's the problem. Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah. The, the blackest thing Wichita has ever done is be
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    | text      = included in that sentence with a website from Africa.Mm.Yeah.So, uh, they get this picture that they see
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    | text      = from, uh, you know... Hey, there's some other pl-
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    | text      = people who have posted it.Yeah.But there's a watermark on it.Sure.Right?Sure.Of
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    | text      = where this mugshot is from.Right.And
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    | text      = so you could just go check that if you want.I mean...You could get into that.Eh.Or
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    | text      = you could actively try to hide.Well, when you put it that
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    | text      = way.And it's unfortunate because one of the producers, uh, literally is doing that in an email.Yeah.
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    | text      = Newsmax used the plaintiff's image to create this graphic, correct?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Correct.
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    | text      = This is a graphic that aired on Greg Kelly's show that night?
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    | text      = Correct.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = Um, let's bring up tab eight.
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    | text      = Okay. We can zoom in a little bit on that top email. That's the only one we're gonna be looking at right now.
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    | text      = Um,
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    | text      = I am showing you what is... We're gonna mark as exhibit eight,
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    | text      = and you'll see that this is an email from
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    | text      = producer Sophie Robinson at May 8th at 7:50. I mean, I'm sorry, at 11:58, correct?
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    | timestamp = 00:51:20.675
    | text      = Correct.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:51:22.494
    | text      = Now, if it's 11:58 on May 8th, that definitely would be too late
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:51:27.255
    | text      = to... for it to be an email relating to the show, correct?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = That's correct. Yes.
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    | text      = And if we look down, uh, from the email from Brian, his was sent at 7:55, right?
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    | timestamp = 00:51:39.454
    | text      = Correct. Yeah.
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    | text      = Probably a reasonable inference that Ms. Robinson's email was sent at 7:58?
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    | text      = I would assume, but, uh, I have no way of verifying that.
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    | text      = Real quick, there is a bit of, uh, stuff that runs
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    | text      = throughout this deposition-Uh-huh.... that is
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    | text      = these time stamps seem to be a little
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    | text      = bit off.Yeah.But it probably is like a time
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    | text      = zone issue-It is what it is.... or something.Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.But it comes up a number of times.Sure.
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    | text      = Certainly, it was sent before 9:00 PM.
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    | text      = Uh, I... Again, I have no way of verifying that. Uh,
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    | text      = you know, given the, the show times, then that would make sense. But
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    | text      = I have what... no way of verifying the times on the, the time stamp.
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    | text      = Right. I just mean from
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    | text      = the fact that she is writing about edits and changes being made to the May 8th show
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    | text      = would suggest to us it's a reasonable inference that this email would have occurred before the May 8th show.
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    | text      = Yes. Uh, I mean,
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    | text      = again,
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    | timestamp = 00:52:39.735
    | text      = it's, it's a reasonable inference, but I have no way of verifying the time.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = She asks, "Is there any way you can move the words of the title down even more..."
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    | text      = (laughs)
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:52:51.235
    | text      = "Move the words of the title down even more ever so slightly
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    | text      = so that we can see a little more of his neck as low as you can without showing that credit." You see that?
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    | text      = Jesus Christ.
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    | text      = I do. Yeah.
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    | text      = And Ms. Robinson doesn't want the URL
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    | text      = for the mug shots website to be visible in the graphic, correct?
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    | timestamp = 00:53:12.275
    | text      = Objection form.
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    | text      = Based on the email that she sent, yes, I would assume that was... That's correct.
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    | timestamp = 00:53:24.775
    | text      = But Ms. Robinson, she was obviously aware of that credit and where the image originated, correct?
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    | text      = You'd have to be.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = You'd agree with me from the internet browser history
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    | timestamp = 00:53:38.034
    | text      = that's been produced in this case, um, nobody at Newsmax visited the mugshots.zone website.
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    | timestamp = 00:53:45.434
    | text      = That correct?
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    | text      = Uh, to the people that I talked to who were involved in this
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    | timestamp = 00:53:51.994
    | text      = case, nobody visited the mugshot, uh, website. No.
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    | timestamp = 00:53:55.614
    | text      = Okay. So the source of the image where they knew it came from, nobody actually went and visited that source?
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    | timestamp = 00:54:02.335
    | text      = Objection form.
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    | text      = That's my understanding, yeah.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | timestamp = 00:54:06.014
    | text      = That seems strange.
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    | timestamp = 00:54:07.534
    | text      = Uh, that seems strange to not, uh, check the source of the thing. Uh,
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:54:11.655
    | text      = the-Oh, yeah?... the direct thing, and instead actually, um,
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:54:15.735
    | text      = m- make steps to obscure the, the source of the thing that you haven't checked.Yeah.That's, that's,
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:54:21.954
    | text      = uh, messy.That's not good.No.You know-It looks bad.You know what I was thinking
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:54:26.815
    | text      = while I was listening to that?Mm-hmm.I was thinking about how, like,
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:54:32.454
    | text      = my evidence... Okay, so whenever I first started out doing hearing aids way back when I was a, a,
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:54:37.795
    | text      = a little baby, um, I was working in an office and there was a finance guy, uh,
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:54:43.574
    | text      = in the office as well who worked for one of those finance
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:54:46.715
    | text      = companies. You know, the big ones?Sure.With all the money.
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    | timestamp = 00:54:49.315
    | text      = Uh, and it just now occurred to me
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:54:52.514
    | text      = that, like, you can tell that they are a fundamentally criminal organization
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:54:57.635
    | text      = that is successful, like all good banks, because that guy
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:55:02.474
    | text      = never answered a question in an email.Mm-hmm.Never.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:55:07.094
    | text      = I would guarantee that if you looked at his inbox, there would be millions of questions ab- or like,
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:55:13.315
    | text      = "Should I..." Or like, "Is this..." Or any number of questions and all of his responses are,
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    | timestamp = 00:55:18.574
    | text      = "Give me a call."Mm-hmm.You know what I'm saying? Like-Right.This is a man
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:55:22.195
    | text      = who is trained from the jump to not respond to anything in writing.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:55:27.135
    | text      = It is all audio. And if you record the conversation, "This is a two, this is a two-way
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    | timestamp = 00:55:32.414
    | text      = state!" You know, that kind of thing.Mm-hmm.Of like,
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:55:35.034
    | text      = you know this man knows what evidence is, is going to be.Yeah, but th-
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    | timestamp = 00:55:39.875
    | text      = you know, in this case, it, it just kind of gives the, uh, impression of not caring.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:55:44.614
    | text      = Exactly.
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    | timestamp = 00:55:45.315
    | text      = You know?Exactly. These people are not a great
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:55:47.855
    | text      = criminal organization.Mm-hmm.That's why they'll never be famous like, uh,
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:55:51.635
    | text      = other banks, like Wells Fargo. You know the kind.Well, this, you know, it's, it's not a bank.
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    | timestamp = 00:55:58.594
    | text      = Sure, sure, sure.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:55:59.375
    | text      = It's a bullshit bank.
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    | timestamp = 00:56:00.934
    | text      = Right.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:01.795
    | text      = And, and I, I just... I think that this is so, so
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    | timestamp = 00:56:04.514
    | text      = sloppy. It's like indicative of, of, uh... Like
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:07.554
    | text      = you're, you're expressing the intent to obscure the source of the thing.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:11.375
    | text      = Totally.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:12.074
    | text      = And one part of that is aesthetic, obviously, 'cause you don't wanna
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:15.954
    | text      = look like you're just taking a random mugshot off a website.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:19.135
    | text      = Of course.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:19.514
    | text      = Um, but then the other part of it is making it harder for anyone
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    | timestamp = 00:56:22.675
    | text      = to verify or fact-check your chu- uh, your claims.
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    | timestamp = 00:56:25.394
    | text      = Obviously, obviously.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:25.795
    | text      = And that's intentional. Um, but then the other, the,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:30.394
    | text      = the other part of it is so clear, is show us a little more of his neck.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:35.454
    | text      = Totally.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:35.914
    | text      = And that's because he has a neck tattoo.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:37.614
    | text      = Absolutely.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:38.474
    | text      = It, it's to demonize this person in the mugshot, make him look scarier to our audience.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:43.315
    | text      = 100 hundre- I mean, imagine though, imagine that instead of that email, you just saw...
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:48.882
    | text      = ... give me a call.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:49.742
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:50.163
    | text      = You know what I'm saying? Like, that's how you do crime good.
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    | timestamp = 00:56:53.184
    | text      = Yeah. But there's just a feeling of, like, we are never, uh, there's th-
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    | timestamp = 00:56:56.103
    | text      = Nope, no one will ever-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 00:56:56.882
    | text      = No one's ever gonna care.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:57.682
    | text      = No one's ever gonna look, yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:56:58.922
    | text      = Yeah. We get away with this kind of bullshit on a pretty regular basis.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:03.302
    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:03.862
    | text      = And we, it's, it's, it's, uh, as Alex would say, hubris.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:06.483
    | text      = It is. It is absolutely like this is just our regular operating procedure-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:10.963
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:11.202
    | text      = ... and only now are you paying attention.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:13.282
    | text      = Yep, yep. And, uh, when called to, uh, uh, account for it, uh, you just have no excuse.
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    | timestamp = 00:57:19.983
    | text      = Now, were you aware that on the mugshots.zw- zone website, it shows that this booking
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:27.523
    | text      = photo was for an arre- a, a, a booking for evading arrest in 2022
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:32.824
    | text      = for an individual that was 35 years old? Have you seen that before?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:37.922
    | text      = No, I, I was not aware of that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:39.684
    | text      = If, if that information was out there, that's information that
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:43.523
    | text      = would've been beneficial for Newsmax to have, wouldn't it?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:47.623
    | text      = Objection, form.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:50.762
    | text      = Yes.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:51.782
    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:57:54.103
    | text      = But even if they didn't have that information, um, Newsmax producers should have known
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:00.802
    | text      = that someone with a booking photo was not the shooter, right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:05.302
    | text      = Objection, form.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:09.222
    | text      = At the time the photo was ran
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:11.483
    | text      = that we used the photo, uh, they, they assumed that it was the correct photo.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:20.663
    | text      = Well, my question is, I understand what they thought,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:24.623
    | text      = right, when they didn't verify the photo, but they should have known.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:29.443
    | text      = If they w- if they had done a, a, a job up to Newsmax's expectations, they should have known
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:35.663
    | text      = that a booking photo did not depict the shooter.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:39.742
    | text      = Objection, form.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:43.322
    | text      = Yes, they should have known.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:44.762
    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:45.702
    | text      = Oh, okay. Okay, well, they should've known.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:46.742
    | text      = There you go.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:47.382
    | text      = You, what's interesting about this is that he's not, he's trying to evade a little bit, but not that much.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:52.682
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:52.902
    | text      = You know, and that
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:54.402
    | text      = there's a demonstration of, like, even within your pretend rules at Newsmax, you fucked up.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:58.643
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:59.063
    | text      = Right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:59.503
    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:58:59.822
    | text      = You fucked up even in your false reality.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:02.402
    | text      = By your own fake bullshit-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:04.262
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:04.523
    | text      = ... you are worse than fake bullshit.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:06.182
    | text      = And he can't really
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:07.702
    | text      = argue with that. (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:08.563
    | text      = No. We did-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:09.603
    | text      = Oh, these very basic facts that we could've checked that would've, uh,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:12.902
    | text      = made it so we never would've reported this-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:14.742
    | text      = Totally.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:15.222
    | text      = ... uh, we didn't even look into any of that, and we really should've known better?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:19.282
    | text      = Yeah, I guess that's, I guess, I guess so.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:21.222
    | text      = I mean, I, I'm, I'm listening to this thinking, like, "I don't believe," one, "I don't believe any
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    | timestamp = 00:59:27.262
    | text      = confession to the cops."
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:28.902
    | text      = Hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:29.322
    | text      = Any, any one of them, any interrogation, I don't believe any of it,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:32.963
    | text      = because as I'm listening to this, my thought is like,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:36.262
    | text      = "I will say whatever it is I need to say to get you to stop asking me questions." (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:41.103
    | text      = Y- you're, you're putting yourself in the position of Andy.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:43.362
    | text      = Yeah, absolutely. Whatever it is we need to do to make this end-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:46.422
    | text      = Hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:46.702
    | text      = ... I will say, because this is awful. (laughs)
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:50.443
    | text      = Well, I don't know if this, this is not so much a confession as a, like, recognition, you know, like-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:56.003
    | text      = Right. No, that's, that's what I'm saying. Listen-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:57.543
    | text      = We all fucked up, right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 00:59:58.503
    | text      = ... what do you, what do you want from me?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:00.023
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:00.202
    | text      = We know where this goes. I know you know. I actually did six hours of preparation for this.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:06.083
    | text      = None of my lawyers was like, "You are gonna get off on this one." No, I'm fucked.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:09.882
    | text      = Hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:10.302
    | text      = What do you want?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:11.282
    | text      = So the, the issue that I have is that when you're in a situation like this and you're being questioned-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:16.822
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:17.063
    | text      = ... like, it's impossible for Mark to ever really be like,
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:20.262
    | text      = "You guys just didn't want the people to talk about neo-Nazis-
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:24.342
    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:24.483
    | text      = ... being an issue and, you know, the right wing has-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:27.063
    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:27.123
    | text      = ... a problem with people who are, you know, down this road."
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:00:30.362
    | text      = Right, right, right, right.
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    | text      = "So your editorial actions are in service of
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    | text      = denying the reality of neo-Nazi domestic terrorist violence."
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = Um, you can't ever really ask that, so the best you can really do in a deposition setting
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    | text      = is the, like, "Within your false reality, you fucked up," right?
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    | text      = Right. Right, right, right.
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    | text      = And that's a little frustrating.
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah. There is an element of, like, we have to dance around the truth, because if we
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    | text      = don't, that objection form is gonna start to hold water.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = And you won't be able to demonstrate your intentions fully-
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    | text      = ... that are obvious to anyone who's, who's looking on.
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    | text      = Yeah. Speaking of which, I think, so in tennis-
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = ... uh, before they had, uh, super good technology and stuff,
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    | text      = you would have challenges where if the line judge called a ball out
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    | text      = but you think it was actually in, you'd be like, "Challenge," and then they'd go to the tape, that
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    | text      = kinda thing. But you only got three unless it goes to a tiebreak, which you get some more.
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = I feel that way about objection forms. There should be a li- there should be a challenge limit,
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    | text      = and it should be immediate. Like, you-
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    | text      = ... if you win a challenge, then you get to, you get to keep it.
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = But if you lose that objection form, you g- you've g- you've only got three.
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    | text      = Well, one day we'll have an objection bot, and, uh, you're-
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    | text      = And then it can automatically determine whether or not the objection is valid or not-
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    | text      = Hmm.
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    | text      = ... and then kick you out if you've got three. Again-
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    | text      = One day Elon Musk will create Objection Bot.
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    | text      = I like Objection Bot, because I'm sick of Objection Form.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = So, uh, we, uh, I think that it, uh, by, at this point, uh,
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    | text      = Mark real- Mark thinks that it's a good idea to hear some of the offending content-
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    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... from this guy Greg Kelly's show.
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = Uh, because it kind of illustrates the, exactly what I'm talking about, this intention of why
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    | text      = you chose to cover this mugshot instead of-
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = ... the Nazi stuff.
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    | text      = Right, right, right, right.
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    | text      = Uh, because of, this is
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    | text      = w- w- what was going on?
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    | text      = You guys and Nazis are on the same team.
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    | text      = Okay, well, I think it might be useful to show you an excerpt from that clip that I wanna talk to you about,
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    | text      = okay? Um, so let's bring up tab nine,
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    | text      = which is an excerpt from the Greg Kelly video. Um, we'll be marking this as exhibit
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    | text      = nine. Uh, I'd like you to watch this, this brief clip from the show.
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    | text      = Uh, AJ, I think you're gonna have to set up to share sound 'cause I'm not getting any sound on that.
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    | text      = When you share your window, there should be a little box for, for share sound.
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    | text      = ...
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    | text      = whatsoever,
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:03:01.742
    | text      = until they told us this guy did it, Mauricio Garcia, and oh yes, a white supremacist with neo-Nazi ties. Now,
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    | text      = look.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:03:13.083
    | text      = This is not a white supremacist. And oh, by the way, we abhor white supremacy.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:03:17.563
    | text      = But you know what the left does, right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = They think anything MAGA must be white supremacist. That is appalling.
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    | text      = This is just pathetic, all right? Now, there's a tattoo, many tattoos, and
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    | timestamp = 01:03:29.822
    | text      = someone w- at one point tried to say that's the p- t- th- the, the city of Dallas tattoo.
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    | timestamp = 01:03:34.762
    | text      = No, it looks like it's the Puro Tengo Blast prison gang tattoo, all right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:03:40.103
    | text      = This is, um, this is not a white supremacist. Yes, if you stand on your head
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    | text      = and cross your eyes and take a drag on a cigarette,
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:03:48.983
    | text      = one of those etchings might look like a swastika, all right? This is,
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    | timestamp = 01:03:53.682
    | text      = well, this is what they do now. Um, this is what it's all about, trying to
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    | timestamp = 01:03:58.222
    | text      = tarnish or somehow diminish the other side by any means possible.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:04:03.563
    | text      = This, again, totally pathetic. Now in the hours after the-
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    | text      = Okay, I have a couple questions about this. Um,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = f- first, uh, Greg Kelly told his audience that the shooter was not a neo-Nazi. That's right?
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    | timestamp = 01:04:21.083
    | text      = Objection, form.
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    | text      = Yes, based on the photo that he was given.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:04:27.003
    | text      = Okay. That wasn't true,
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    | text      = right?
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    | text      = Objection, form.Um,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:04:36.782
    | text      = I'm, uh, I know that you've shown photos that the shooter who, who died at the scene
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    | text      = had neo-Nazi tattoos, so I assumed that he was a neo-Nazi and, uh,
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    | text      = therefore Greg was wrong, yes.
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    | text      = Um, Mr. Kelly denied that the shooter had neo-Nazi tattoos, correct?
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    | timestamp = 01:13:03.650
    | text      = ... objection form.
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    | text      = Um,
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    | text      = at least, yeah.
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    | timestamp = 01:13:07.831
    | text      = Okay. So this photo passed through the hands of at least 12 producers
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:13:12.730
    | text      = and was, was aired based on their judgment.
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    | timestamp = 01:13:16.871
    | text      = Objection form.
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = That doesn't sound good.
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    | text      = Ah, I mean, you know, all the Marvel movies have
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    | text      = different directors but we know it's Kevin Feige behind them all. What are you gonna say?
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    | text      = Yeah. So the, the explanation for this, uh, as it, like gets down to it-
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    | timestamp = 01:13:34.211
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | timestamp = 01:13:34.291
    | text      = ... is that someone
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:13:36.230
    | text      = put it in the cache of-
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    | timestamp = 01:13:38.911
    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:13:39.431
    | text      = ... verifiable, usable photos.
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    | timestamp = 01:13:41.230
    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = So this is the one mistake point that everyone just assumed
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    | text      = after that. Like that's how you have 12 people who can make the mistake.
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    | text      = It's the turd in the punch bowl. Yeah. Yeah.
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    | timestamp = 01:13:49.631
    | text      = Uh, uh,
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    | timestamp = 01:13:50.511
    | text      = that's the explanation that's given but it still, uh, is not
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    | timestamp = 01:13:55.112
    | text      = useful. And i- i- based on the information that you see, 12 people
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    | timestamp = 01:14:00.490
    | text      = all independently didn't say, "Hold on, this person's the wrong age."
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    | timestamp = 01:14:05.190
    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:14:05.390
    | text      = "Hold on, why is there a mugshot of a person who has no criminal history and is dead?"
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    | timestamp = 01:14:10.030
    | text      = Right.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:10.411
    | text      = Like n- all 12 of those people had to not engage that part of their brain that is useful for journalism and for-
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    | timestamp = 01:14:18.671
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:19.030
    | text      = ... uh, information, uh, relaying.
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    | timestamp = 01:14:21.430
    | text      = Yeah. Yeah.
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    | timestamp = 01:14:22.451
    | text      = Because that's not part of their business.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:23.810
    | text      = Well our business is we put a bunch of shit in the bullshit
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    | timestamp = 01:14:26.911
    | text      = cauldron and whatever pops out is what's on the goddamn news.
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    | timestamp = 01:14:30.530
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:30.890
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | timestamp = 01:14:31.411
    | text      = And then we'll defend it as an honest mistake if we-
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    | timestamp = 01:14:33.871
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:14:33.990
    | text      = ... if we're forced to.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:14:34.850
    | text      = Absolutely.
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    | timestamp = 01:14:35.850
    | text      = Cool.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:36.190
    | text      = What more do you want from us?
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    | timestamp = 01:14:37.610
    | text      = So after Newsmax made all this error-
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    | timestamp = 01:14:41.190
    | text      = Sure.
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    | timestamp = 01:14:41.570
    | text      = ... uh, they
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:43.411
    | text      = got some pushback and it turned out that, uh, they were like, "Oh no."
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:48.551
    | text      = Sure.
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    | timestamp = 01:14:48.690
    | text      = So internally, they did a, a review and, uh-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:14:51.551
    | text      = Oh boy.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:51.850
    | text      = ... investigation of how this...
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    | timestamp = 01:14:54.451
    | text      = Did they?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:14:55.310
    | text      = Sure.
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    | timestamp = 01:14:55.711
    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:14:55.711
    | text      = There's a report.
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    | timestamp = 01:14:56.591
    | text      = All right.
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    | timestamp = 01:14:56.751
    | text      = That, uh, Mark brings up-
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    | timestamp = 01:14:57.871
    | text      = All right.
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    | timestamp = 01:14:58.390
    | text      = ... about where this image came from.
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    | timestamp = 01:15:01.270
    | text      = In this report, uh, the first thing he says in red print
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    | timestamp = 01:15:05.930
    | text      = is, "It would seem to have begun with a tweet from a," quote,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:10.451
    | text      = "ultra-mega business owner," unquote, who goes by the name-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:15:14.751
    | text      = Good quote.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:15.011
    | text      = ... or goes by the handle, quote, "Blue Star." Do you see that?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:15:18.171
    | text      = I see that, yeah.
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    | timestamp = 01:15:20.671
    | text      = Are you familiar with what ultra mega means?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:15:25.631
    | text      = Just in a general political sense.
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    | timestamp = 01:15:27.690
    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:28.230
    | text      = Can you explain to us what ultra mega means?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:15:30.291
    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:32.470
    | text      = Don't make me.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:33.211
    | text      = I don't know. Just a,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:15:34.331
    | text      = a high end of a very... To my, to my knowledge, it's somebody who's a very big Trump supporter.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:15:43.110
    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:15:45.511
    | text      = And then we have a handle Blue Star but we have no idea who that person really is, right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:15:52.951
    | text      = That's correct, yes.
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    | timestamp = 01:15:54.251
    | text      = Okay. He says, you'll see here in the, uh,
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    | timestamp = 01:15:57.711
    | text      = the paragraph that's offset below the link, he says, "A quick look at the replies to her tweet
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:16:04.110
    | text      = show the fever swamps.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:16:06.310
    | text      = Some proposing the liberals set up the shooting to discredit whites." Do you see that?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:16:13.951
    | text      = Yes.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:16:15.331
    | text      = Fever swamp.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:16:17.511
    | text      = That's not a positive description. Would you agree?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:16:22.011
    | text      = Objection form.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:16:24.511
    | text      = Yes.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:16:26.350
    | text      = What does the company take that to mean?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:16:29.970
    | text      = Objection form.
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    | text      = Based on the formatting I would, I would assume without having looked at that Twitter, um, that that is
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    | text      = a quote from the Twitter site,
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    | text      = or the Twitter post.
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    | text      = You think the term fever swamps was used in the Twitter post?
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    | text      = You know, I would assume so based on the formatting because if you,
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    | text      = if you look at the paragraph after that it says, "After
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    | text      = that tweet some websites took the picture and posted it."
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = My assumption based on the report is that
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    | text      = the indented paragraph that you read that has the word fever swamps is the quote from Blue Star.
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    | text      = Oh, I see. Is that what you're th- you don't think that
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    | text      = Mr. McGrory took a quick look at the replies and made a subjective judgment about what he was seeing?
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    | text      = I,
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    | text      = I... Not the way I read it but
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    | text      = I, I, that's not the way I took that paragraph, no.
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    | text      = Okay. All right.
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    | text      = So, so Mark is very clearly correct about the context.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = But this guy is also now wrong about the formatting.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = So that is a little bit annoying.
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    | text      = Ah, what are you gonna do?
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    | text      = But yeah, so this report, uh, they did internally found that it was an ultra MAGA
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    | text      = account had posted this-
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    | text      = ... and that if you looked at their replies it was a fever swamp of, uh, people
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    | text      = saying that liberals did this to make whites look bad.
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    | text      = Yep.
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    | text      = (laughs) And so like even internally they are like
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    | text      = understanding, oh, this is the intention, this is what motivated, uh, the
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    | text      = need to point the finger at somebody else-
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    | text      = Yep.
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    | text      = ... in order to play defense about this stuff.
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    | text      = Eh.
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    | text      = I pray to God I am never in a situation where I have to kind of like defend slang terms in a deposition.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = Just how dare... Uh, uh, would, would you say that this, that you feel good about describing this as
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    | text      = on fleek? Oh, God, don't make me do it, man.
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    | text      = So the, the replies to this, uh, tweet were a flu oasis.
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    | text      = (laughs) Goddammit. That-
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    | text      = A fl- a fluasis.
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    | text      = Sure. Fine. Whatever. You g- whatever you wanted to believe.
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    | text      = Mm.
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    | text      = Uh, fine.
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    | text      = So, um, th- this obviously, uh, is tough, uh, when your own internal research people
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    | text      = in a matter of hours managed to, managed to figure this all out.
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    | text      = Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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    | text      = And everybody else
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    | text      = made a mistake and
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    | text      = did the bad reporting.
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    | text      = Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We ate a bunch of garbage and then we spit it out. Sorry guys.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = So Andy has to, uh, kinda be like, "Well, you know, we saw it on an ABC site."
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    | text      = Wow.
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    | text      = Um, and then Mark has a, uh, as the kids say, and you will have to explain under oath, there's a clap back.
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    | text      = Oh, goddammit.
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    | text      = They also, one of the Greg Kelly producers also went out and
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    | text      = that's where she found the, as you showed us the email earlier, and I talked to her about this.
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    | text      = She found the ABC website in Wichita
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    | text      = that also was using the photo, uh, with the story. So she saw the
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    | text      = photo on our news desk, verified that another, uh, ABC which is also a very large, um,
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    | timestamp = 01:19:35.890
    | text      = uh, major media company was using the same photo with the story.
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    | text      = Wait. Hold on. I wanna make sure I understand you here.
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    | text      = When we talk about ABC being a very large media company, we're, we're actually, we're talking about an
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    | text      = ABC local affiliate, just some reporters in Wichita, Kansas
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    | timestamp = 01:19:52.990
    | text      = working on a local news website. We're not talking about ABC national news desk are we?
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    | text      = We're talking about an ABC affiliate but, but still
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    | text      = the ABC affiliates my understanding, and I may be wrong, is ABC affiliates
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    | text      = have to follow the same journalistic standard that
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    | text      = the main ABC has to follow. So.
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    | text      = But didn't we see in emails earlier
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    | text      = that Newsmax should not lower itself to the MSM
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    | text      = status of the folks who will just put out anything?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Don't y'all hold yourself to a higher standard than the MSM?
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    | timestamp = 01:20:24.291
    | text      = Objection form.
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    | text      = Yes.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = So it's not really proper to just see something on a
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    | text      = local website in Wichita, Kansas and assume that that's good, that they must've done their job, right?
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    | timestamp = 01:20:36.430
    | text      = Objection form.
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    | timestamp = 01:20:39.650
    | text      = Yes, it was a mistake on our producer's part.
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    | timestamp = 01:20:41.770
    | text      = Yep. Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough.
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    | text      = (sighs)
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    | text      = All right. I brought up ABC and I was trying to say that they do their due diligence and we
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:20:48.310
    | text      = feel like we can rely on their reporting but I also shit on the mainstream media all the time.
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    | text      = Ah, shit. All right. Yep. I realize contradiction. My bad.
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    | text      = Yeah.Yeah, it just feels like this isn't the e- th- that's what, that's the
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    | text      = ultimate frustration of this arena, is
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    | text      = it can't just be like, "Listen, I caught you in a lie."
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    | timestamp = 01:21:06.779
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | timestamp = 01:21:06.939
    | text      = And they go, "You caught us in a lie." And then we go forward. You know? There's gotta be this whole
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:21:12.139
    | text      = fucking bullshit dance between two bullshitters about bullshit-
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    | timestamp = 01:21:16.158
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:21:16.260
    | text      = ... for bullshit reasons, whenever we all know you're fucking lying.
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    | timestamp = 01:21:20.298
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = (groans)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = But it illustrates the bullshit.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:21:22.939
    | text      = Ugh, it's bullshit.
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    | text      = So, uh, Wallace, Chris Wallace-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:21:27.479
    | text      = ... after this report had been compiled-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:21:30.878
    | text      = ... and such, he emails his bosses, uh, to give an explanation. And it's, it doesn't sound good-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:21:38.260
    | text      = Oh, it doesn't?
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    | timestamp = 01:21:38.819
    | text      = ... for folks.
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    | timestamp = 01:21:39.279
    | text      = Surprise.
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    | text      = All right, and again here, Mr. Wallace is emailing, um,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = three Newsmax executives along with a researcher, correct?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:21:49.118
    | text      = Correct.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:21:50.738
    | text      = Give me a call. (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:21:51.338
    | text      = These people who are Newsmax executives here-
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    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:21:53.618
    | text      = ... Mr. Jacobson, Mr. Knowles, Mr. Kanofsky, those are Mr. Wallace's, they,
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    | timestamp = 01:21:58.559
    | text      = they have authority over him. They're his bosses.
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    | timestamp = 01:22:02.378
    | text      = Correct?
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    | timestamp = 01:22:04.038
    | text      = Um,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:22:05.100
    | text      = technically, the only person who has authority over Chris Wallace is Elliot Jacobson.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:22:09.760
    | text      = Okay.
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    | timestamp = 01:22:11.600
    | text      = So it's best to say that he is sending an email here
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:22:14.958
    | text      = to his boss and some other individuals at Newsmax, including executives?
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    | timestamp = 01:22:20.139
    | text      = That is correct, yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:22:24.399
    | text      = Now, early that afternoon, he says
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    | text      = that, "Valenti and Julia
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    | timestamp = 01:22:30.260
    | text      = came to me yesterday and asked me about it, and I told them not to run it." Do you see that?
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    | text      = I do, yes.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:22:37.859
    | text      = Uh, Valenti and Julia are producers, correct?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:22:40.679
    | text      = Yes, they are producers on other shows, but did not run the photo.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:22:45.219
    | text      = Okay, what shows are those?
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    | text      = Um, I
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    | text      = believe Valenti is on the American Agenda show, which is one of our afternoon shows.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | timestamp = 01:22:58.378
    | text      = I'm not sure which show Julie is on,
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    | text      = but I, I would assume
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    | text      = that Julie is also on the American Agenda show as well.
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    | timestamp = 01:23:08.618
    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = Mr. Wallace says, "I honestly just figured folks wouldn't fall for this." Do you see that?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:23:15.399
    | text      = Yes.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:23:17.838
    | text      = And by fall for this, he means use the photo, right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:22.259
    | text      = He actually told him.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = That's my assumption, yes.
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    | timestamp = 01:23:27.019
    | text      = Okay.
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    | timestamp = 01:23:30.479
    | text      = Do you see in the second paragraph, um,
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    | text      = Mr. Wallace says, "This was a pretty obvious unforced error." Do you see that?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:40.439
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:41.359
    | text      = The company agrees with that?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:45.158
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:46.338
    | text      = Doing a little bit of damage control with the boss-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:49.139
    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:49.139
    | text      = ... the higher-ups.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:50.378
    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:50.439
    | text      = Uh, doing a little cover your ass.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:52.298
    | text      = Yep.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:52.559
    | text      = Can't believe people fell for this.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:54.259
    | text      = Wild.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:54.838
    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:55.618
    | text      = Jesus Christ.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:56.458
    | text      = Doing the, uh, sort of thing that we are accustomed-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:59.439
    | text      = (sighs) Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:23:59.599
    | text      = ... to doing and, and generally do.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:24:01.219
    | text      = Oh, boy.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:24:01.958
    | text      = Yeah, that's, that's an interesting glimpse though, you know? That, uh,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:24:06.359
    | text      = Chris Wallace
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:24:07.658
    | text      = (laughs) like, didn't think anyone would fall for it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:24:09.559
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:24:09.759
    | text      = Do you watch your sh- like, the network?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:24:12.319
    | text      = I mean, that's, that is, that d- d- sometimes
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:24:16.639
    | text      = a white glove slapped across a man's face is the only response-
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:24:20.738
    | text      = Hmm.
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    | text      = absolute fucking travesty of an answer.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah. Yeah. So Wallace and one of these producers were emailing, uh,
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    | text      = about whether or not the picture, the mugshot-
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    | text      = ... was accurate-
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    | text      = in the earlier time.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = And I think that this provides a very strange image of Chris Wallace.
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    | text      = All right.
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    | text      = All right, and you'll see here that, um,
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    | text      = Mr. Wallace has forwarded some email, an email conversation he had with Mr. Valenti, correct?
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    | text      = Correct, yes.
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    | text      = Okay. And
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    | text      = he says... Essentially, Mr. Valenti asks
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    | text      = Mr. Wallace if the photo that they have is accurate, that if that is the Texas shooter. Do you see that?
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    | text      = Yeah, I do.
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    | text      = Okay. And he asks him if it's the mug of the Texas shooter, right?
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    | text      = That's correct, yeah.
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    | text      = And, and so I take it the two sort of meanings that come out of this, either he means that's his
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    | text      = mugshot, or he could be using the colloquial use of the word mug to mean face, right?
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    | text      = One of those two things.
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    | text      = Yeah. One of those two things.
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    | text      = In other words,
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    | text      = we're talking about a, a face shot of the shooter.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Okay. Um, let's scroll up to the next email.
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    | text      = And then Mr. Wallace says,
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    | text      = uh, "The photo is circulating on social and nowhere else to my knowledge. So no, I can't confirm it's him.
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    | text      = Have you seen it on any news sites? I only find it on social and blogs and no sourcing." You see that?
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    | text      = Yes, I do.
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    | text      = And then Mr. Valenti says he'll hold off, correct?
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Okay. When Mr. Wallace says he hasn't seen any sourcing,
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    | text      = um,
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    | text      = can you tell us,
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    | text      = uh, from the company's perspective, why is sourcing important?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Ah, come on, man.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Well, to validate information. So, um,
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    | text      = we have a policy of,
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    | text      = um,
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    | text      = that we won't use social media or blogs, uh,
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    | text      = as a source, as a primary source for information. Um, but we will
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    | text      = use other major media, uh, that is running information. So, um,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = uh, or our own investigation. Um,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = so sourcing, uh, for us is, is
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = something that's very important to make sure that we have the information correct.
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    | text      = So that, that response that you had, that "come on, man"-
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    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... is like I, uh, you're, uh, you have some instincts-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ... because if you heard that question being asked-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... you should (laughs) be like-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = That's what I'm saying.
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    | text      = ... "This is a trap."
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    | text      = I'm telling you-
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    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... I'd be great at depositions. (laughs)
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    | text      = (laughs) This is such a trap.
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    | text      = I'm fascinated by these, this type of person who has this, like,
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    | text      = low-key element of answering questions as opposed to being
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    | text      = like... 'Cause the moment you ask me that question, I'm, my instant response is like-
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    | text      = Why are sources important?
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    | text      = ... that's, that's mean.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = That's a mean question. You asked that
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = in a mean spirit, and I don't think I have to answer it 'cause you're a mean person.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I know in some way you're gonna use my answer against me.
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    | text      = (laughs) Yeah, absolutely.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Or this is a setup or something.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = You're a meanie.
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    | text      = Right. (laughs)
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    | text      = That would be my answer to your question. You're a big mean face, who's got a mean face. How about that?
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    | text      = When you're asking a question that is so obvious-
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    | text      = (laughs) Yes.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... uh, it's, it's a-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... alarm bells should be going off.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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    | text      = And I, but I, here's, here is my experience of listening to that.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = I had the same feeling of like-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ... come on.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Come on.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Like I, I, I, I, I would be worried if I were in Andy's shoes.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = But I didn't know exactly why.
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = You know, like there's something here that-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... is, there's danger-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:28:05.779
    | text      = ... but my spidey sense is not, uh, acute enough to be like, here's exactly what it is.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Right, right, right, right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And so here's what it is.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And so what I have here, and we'll, I'm gonna try to bring them up to the same,
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    | text      = is we have on the left-hand side, I have the copy of the email we were just looking at. This is what,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = what, um, Mr. Wallace forwarded to his boss and other executives. All right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And then on the right-hand side, I have exhibit, what we're gonna mark as exhibit 14.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And this is the original email
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = that Wallace sent to Valenti, the original copy. All right? And I wanna look at them side-by-side.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = And do you notice-
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    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = ... in, in the email that Wallace sent to Valenti
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    | text      = at 3:39 PM in the middle of the page, do you see that in the copy that
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    | text      = he sent to his boss and the executives, it says, "I only find it on social and blogs and no sourcing"?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = But do you see how in Exhibit 14, on the other side, the words
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = "and no sourcing" were not in that original email?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:29:10.994
    | text      = Aw, come on, man.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:29:12.914
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:29:13.975
    | text      = Okay. So,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:29:16.194
    | text      = Mr. Wallace added those words into that email
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = when forwarding it to his bosses, even though they weren't in the original email.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:29:23.715
    | text      = Do you see that?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:29:25.895
    | text      = Yes, I see that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:29:27.055
    | text      = That's not... That's sort of a dishonest thing to do, wouldn't you agree?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:29:31.655
    | text      = Objection, form.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:29:34.375
    | text      = I agree with that objection. (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:29:35.595
    | text      = Well, not necessarily if he's trying to explain
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:29:38.395
    | text      = to the executives, um, his stance on the, on the matter.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:29:42.475
    | text      = Well, I mean, he's trying to make it look to his boss
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = that he told Valenti and no sourcing,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:29:50.715
    | text      = but he didn't tell Valenti and no sourcing. You wouldn't agree that's kinda dishonest?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:29:57.836
    | text      = Objection, form.No, because, uh, he's explaining to his executives on the
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:30:05.234
    | text      = left hand. On the right hand, he said social and blogs. Um,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:30:09.935
    | text      = Valenti obviously understood that and said, "Same for me. I'll... Yes, I'll hold off for now."
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:30:15.095
    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:30:15.255
    | text      = So, Valenti understood the implication.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:30:17.175
    | text      = I'm not... What I'm talking about is what his boss... What, what Mr. Jacobson was being told.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:30:24.074
    | text      = And what I'm trying to get at is, Mr., Mr. Wallace was trying to make it look like to Mr. Jacobson
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = that he said something to Valenti that he did not in fact say.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:30:35.515
    | text      = Do you see where that... How that comes across?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:30:39.314
    | text      = Objection, form.I see it in the email and I understand your point, but I don't agree with you.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:30:45.376
    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:30:45.695
    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:30:45.716
    | text      = And if you look at the original email to Valenti, that email could be read as suggesting
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:30:52.914
    | text      = that sourcing wasn't really necessary as long as you've seen it on a news site. Wouldn't you agree with that?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:30:59.574
    | text      = Objection, form. No.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:05.574
    | text      = Okay.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:31:06.234
    | text      = So on one level, you can kind of look like, uh, look at this as Mark kinda being a dick about this.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:11.354
    | text      = Yeah. Sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:11.595
    | text      = You know, because, um, it, it does not necessarily, uh, uh, implicate the central question-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:19.475
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:19.755
    | text      = ... of, uh, the misidentification of the shooter and the broadcasting of this incorrect information.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:26.814
    | text      = Sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:27.414
    | text      = Um, but I think it does, kind of.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:30.654
    | text      = Because what you have is Chris Wallace trying to present a different front-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:35.354
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:35.354
    | text      = ... of his own editorial actions to the bosses-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:38.335
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:38.335
    | text      = ... to insulate the ability to, uh, make mistakes like this,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:43.216
    | text      = make strategic mistakes like this in the future.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:45.395
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:45.755
    | text      = So the head, uh, head bosses wouldn't, uh, get worried about the, the potential exposure-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:51.395
    | text      = Sure.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:51.595
    | text      = ... of, of the business. So adding something in to the forward is... It shows intent-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:58.875
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:31:59.194
    | text      = ... in a, in a way that is shocking. Um, and i- i- is, is in sort of conversation with
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:32:07.114
    | text      = the email from the producer who wanted to hide the, the watermark on the,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:32:12.435
    | text      = the photo, uh, so people wouldn't know where the source was from-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:32:15.534
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Or trying to present more of his neck.
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    | text      = You know, like there is... There is a
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    | text      = editorial and behind the scenes, uh, game that's being shown here.
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = And I think that that is worth, uh, worth interrogation, uh,
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    | text      = even if it does kinda come off a little bit... A little dickish.
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    | text      = Okay, so how about this? We remove the rest of the law. I don't like it. It's a waste of everybody's time.
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    | text      = We replace it with these depositions, but
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    | text      = you keep score by putting a piece of American cheese on your face every time you get
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    | text      = hit by what is metaphorically a piece of American cheese on your face.
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    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | text      = Right? Once your face is fully covered, you lose.
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    | text      = Hmm.
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    | text      = Now, if, if you get a point back on Mark, he's gotta put
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    | text      = government cheese on his face. If he fa- if his face is covered, you win.
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    | text      = Can I... Can I ask you a-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ... very important question?
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = Were you a producer for Nickelodeon in the late '90s?
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    | text      = No, but God-
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    | text      = Because-
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    | text      = ... if I wouldn't have dreamt of it.
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    | text      = 'Cause you would have made a million dollars with that show.
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    | text      = I had so many good ideas as a nine-year-old.
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    | text      = Put cheese on people's faces.
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    | text      = I'm telling you-
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    | text      = Let's do it.
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    | text      = You, you'd think that it wouldn't solve a lot of
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    | text      = problems, but I'll tell you something. Cheese solves a lot of problems.
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    | text      = All right.
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    | text      = Everybody knows that.
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    | text      = Well, I mean, we saw the effect that gummy worms had in the initial, uh, deposition that Owen did. Uh-
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    | text      = We replaced the whole law with it.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = So, um, the presentation that I believe that Newsmax wants to have-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ... is that they made a sincere mistake, uh, they didn't follow their own, uh,
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    | text      = standards, they didn't live up to their own standards.
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = But they realized their mistake and, oh well. You know?
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    | text      = We're contrite, we're happy, we're gonna do better.
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    | text      = We're gonna do better.
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    | text      = Yep, yep.
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    | text      = Um, but then here's an email from a week later.
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    | text      = Ooh!
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    | text      = Now, I'm showing you now an email that was sent about a week
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    | text      = later, about a week after all this happened, and that was on 5/17/2023.
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    | text      = This email was sent by Amalia Sella. Is that how you say her name?
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    | text      = Amalia Sella.
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    | text      = Amalia Sella. Okay, she's an executive producer, right?
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    | text      = Yeah, for Chris Del Seibo's show.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = Um, that was one of the shows that published the wrong picture, right?
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    | text      = On the 8th, correct.
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    | text      = So now this producer a week later is asking, "Did we ever get an official photo
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    | text      = of this prolific poster and notorious white supremacist?" Can you see that?
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    | text      = Yes.
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    | text      = Um, Ms. Sella's still mocking the idea
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    | text      = that this shooter is a white supremacist, correct?
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    | text      = Objection, Form.I, I am not
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    | text      = going to venture to guess what's inside Amalia's head with this.
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    | text      = Got it.
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    | text      = That's fair enough. But y- you have someone who made this,
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    | text      = quote unquote, "error." They were a producer on a show that misidentified the shooter.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Has... They have every reason to know that they entirely fucked up and put out the wrong information.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = By a week later, the information that they didn't cover is only more credible-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ... in standing up to scrutiny.
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    | text      = Um, and there is no lesson learned. There is... There is no
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    | text      = recognition that they did wrong because they didn't do wrong.
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    | text      = Mm-mm.
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    | text      = The goal is not to provide accurate information.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = It's to play the strategic role in media that they play.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = So for her, there is no need for analysis and there's no need for, "Well, we fucked that up, let's-"
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    | timestamp = 01:35:43.895
    | text      = Right.
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    | timestamp = 01:35:44.154
    | text      = "... see what we can improve."
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    | text      = Right.
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    | timestamp = 01:35:45.395
    | text      = There's nothing to improve other than, "Let's get away with it."
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    | text      = Right. Right, right, right, right.
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    | text      = You know?
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    | text      = Right.
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    | text      = Yeah, I mean that's... The only problem with that is, like,
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    | text      = eventually if you follow that line of questioning, then the real conversation you're having is,
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    | text      = you guys are part of a massive global media operation worth
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    | text      = billions upon billions upon billions, if not trillions of dollars,
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    | text      = and you play a small part in doing this entire
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    | text      = thing, all of which all of you are relatively speaking in concert about. So what we're doing is
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    | text      = touching a tiny little drop in the bucket of bullshit-
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    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = ... that we exist in. You know?
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    | text      = Well, yeah. A- and one of the things that I find most
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    | text      = interesting about, like, if you just zoom out and look at this-
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | timestamp = 01:36:27.034
    | text      = ... uh, this deposition in and of itself, you have Chris Wallace, who's reporting to his supervisors.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = Um, and the addition of this line in his email to them, it almost
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    | text      = indicates a fear that
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    | text      = if the bosses knew-
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    | timestamp = 01:36:46.354
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = ... they wouldn't allow this.
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    | text      = Yeah, absolutely.
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    | text      = (laughs) And that
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    | text      = makes me s- more scared than
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    | timestamp = 01:36:53.914
    | text      = the sort of way that you'd look at it without that, that insight.
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    | timestamp = 01:36:57.475
    | text      = Right.
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    | timestamp = 01:36:58.015
    | text      = That everyone is just bad and, and fucked up. (laughs)
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    | timestamp = 01:37:00.814
    | text      = Right, right, right, right.
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    | text      = The idea that maybe there's just somewhere in the middle, there's someone who's diverting this stream-Uh,
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    | timestamp = 01:37:07.871
    | text      = and good intentions could actually exist.
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    | text      = Well-
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    | text      = That's scary to me.
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    | text      = I mean, I think that's more, like, there's always gotta be an insulation on the executive's part, and a smart
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    | text      = news director would know that, uh, the
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    | timestamp = 01:37:21.511
    | text      = last thing you wanna do is ever in- implicate the people who are actually at fault.
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    | timestamp = 01:37:26.350
    | text      = That's probably true.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | text      = You're probably right.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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    | timestamp = 01:37:29.091
    | text      = Um,
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    | timestamp = 01:37:30.051
    | text      = it- it- it...
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    | timestamp = 01:37:31.711
    | text      = Yeah, I think my defense, uh, to all of this
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    | timestamp = 01:37:35.231
    | text      = would be, "I am a mote of dust in the universe."
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    | timestamp = 01:37:39.610
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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    | timestamp = 01:37:40.150
    | text      = "And my meaninglessness is
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    | timestamp = 01:37:43.190
    | text      = far, uh, greater than whatever meaning you are ascribing to me right now."
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    | timestamp = 01:37:47.690
    | text      = That's what you would say in the deposition?
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    | timestamp = 01:37:50.011
    | text      = I think in the cosmic sense, I would have to say that I am, I am nothing.
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    | timestamp = 01:37:53.752
    | text      = Speaking as the company.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:37:54.752
    | text      = I am empty.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:37:55.711
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:37:56.030
    | text      = I am, uh, I am water. I am nothing here.
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    | timestamp = 01:37:58.530
    | text      = On behalf of-
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    | timestamp = 01:37:59.530
    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:37:59.970
    | text      = ... uh, uh, Newsmax, let me read you a Zen koan.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:38:03.331
    | text      = (laughs) I mean, there's a certain aspect of, like, "Hey, let's face it, none of us are anything, are we?"
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    | timestamp = 01:38:09.610
    | text      = As Newsmax-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:38:10.391
    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:10.391
    | text      = ... I'd like to announce that I have reached enlightenment."
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:38:12.451
    | text      = I mean, I don't, I think there are worse defenses and he's providing one of them.
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    | timestamp = 01:38:16.490
    | text      = Yeah. So we, uh, have one last clip here, and it's just kind of the closing out of this. And I think that
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    | timestamp = 01:38:22.690
    | text      = o- one of the big differences between this and any of the InfoWars-
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:38:27.390
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:27.832
    | text      = ... uh, depositions, is that he can't really deny wrongdoing.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:31.890
    | text      = No.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:32.070
    | text      = Like, and he's not even really trying.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:34.310
    | text      = Right, right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:34.791
    | text      = "We, we fucked up."
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:35.952
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:36.890
    | text      = In deciding to use plaintiff's photo,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:40.631
    | text      = Newsmax producers did not act as carefully as they should have.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:44.771
    | text      = Correct?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:46.350
    | text      = That is correct.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:47.350
    | text      = Objection, form.You would agree that
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:51.711
    | text      = Newsmax producers failed to investigate the truth or falsity of the photo before publication.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:38:58.912
    | text      = Objection, form.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:39:01.091
    | text      = Yes.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:39:03.470
    | text      = You do not dispute that information was available on May 8th
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:39:08.310
    | text      = that would have created serious doubts about the accuracy of the photo Newsmax was using?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:39:15.350
    | text      = Objection, form.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:39:18.230
    | text      = I do not dispute that, yes.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:39:20.490
    | text      = Um,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:39:21.430
    | text      = Newsmax doesn't dispute they did a terrible wrong
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:39:24.530
    | text      = to our client, uh, Mauricio Garcia, who had nothing to do with the shooting.
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    | timestamp = 01:39:28.251
    | text      = Objection, form.
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    | timestamp = 01:39:37.270
    | text      = Can you ask that in a different way?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:39:38.730
    | text      = I mean, I'd, I'd like it the way that I'd asked, um, which is that Newsmax agreed
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:39:43.951
    | text      = it did a terrible wrong to our client.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:39:47.511
    | text      = Can I get the language of origin?
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    | text      = If by wrong you mean we, we mistakenly used his photo incorrectly, then,
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    | text      = then yes.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I mean, in doing that, in using that wrong photo, the mistake Newsmax made
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    | timestamp = 01:40:06.530
    | text      = was not living up to the standard of what a reasonable journalist should do. Correct?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:40:13.490
    | text      = Objection, formed.
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    | text      = By making that mistake, our producers did not follow our procedures, yes.
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    | text      = Okay. And your procedures are there to ensure
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:40:24.631
    | text      = that they act as reasonable journalists, right?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:40:28.270
    | text      = That is correct.
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    | text      = And that did not happen in this case?
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    | timestamp = 01:40:31.930
    | text      = That is correct.
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    | text      = Okay.
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    | text      = Well, that, uh, that about says it. I think that that last clip is, is great, because
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:40:38.850
    | text      = there is, uh, no ability to deny that, you know, "We made a mistake and we fucked up."
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:40:44.570
    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = But
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = an absolute unwillingness to, uh, accept adjectives.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = The horrible wrong or whatever is really, I think, what set him off.
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    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = Like if you just said, "You d- you, you wronged, uh, the plaintiff
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:40:59.411
    | text      = in this case by making that mistake," I, I imagine he'd just be like, "Yes." But the horrible wrong,
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    | text      = I think (laughs) is what he can't, he can't answer. "Yes"?
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    | timestamp = 01:41:08.470
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = A horrible wrong?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I get that. I get that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | text      = I, I think, I feel like part of this is actually the thing that
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:41:16.150
    | text      = bothers me the most, because if I was him, I would be stoked to admit to this crime.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:41:23.751
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = Because this is the crime that is far less objectionable than the one that I commit on the regular, you know?
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:41:30.331
    | text      = Which is?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:41:30.911
    | text      = Like, just being at Newsmax.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:41:32.650
    | text      = Sure.
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    | text      = You know?
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:41:33.690
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:41:34.030
    | text      = Like, there is a, there is an element of, like, "Oh, oh, hell yeah, I'll, I'll plead down to manslaughter."
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:41:40.190
    | text      = Well-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:41:40.251
    | text      = "I'll plead down to manslaughter all day 'cause I murder one left and right."
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    | timestamp = 01:41:43.770
    | text      = I think what you're describing is, like, this is a discrete event, uh-
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    | timestamp = 01:41:47.551
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
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    | text      = ... that you can admit wrongdoing in-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:41:49.251
    | text      = Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:41:49.251
    | text      = ... as opposed to the function and structure of what you do is-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:41:53.530
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:41:53.730
    | text      = ... this.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:41:54.631
    | text      = This is your, your raison d'etre-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:41:56.871
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:41:57.070
    | text      = ... is simply this.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:41:58.451
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:41:58.770
    | text      = What you are doing now that you are now saying was a mistake.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:03.310
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:03.690
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:04.051
    | text      = The, the process by which you made this mistake is what you do.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:07.970
    | text      = Right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:08.530
    | text      = And
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:09.791
    | text      = being a
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:11.671
    | text      = penitent about, uh, the individual incident-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:15.810
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:16.030
    | text      = ... is so much easier than recognizing the fraudulent whole-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:19.490
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:19.770
    | text      = ... of what you do.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:20.451
    | text      = Yeah. If you plead manslaughter and you get five to seven, even though you committed
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:24.770
    | text      = murder one, then you're not, like, learning your lesson. You're like, "I saved myself 17 years of life-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:31.490
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:31.810
    | text      = ... by pulling one over on you."
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:33.511
    | text      = You're negotiating out of this type-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:35.451
    | text      = Exactly.
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    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:36.190
    | text      = ... spot.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:36.211
    | text      = Yes. That's what it is. It is not accountability. It's a, it's a negotiation.
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    | timestamp = 01:42:40.711
    | text      = Yeah.
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    | timestamp = 01:42:41.011
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:41.570
    | text      = And, and I think that, uh, in the process, you end up
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:44.631
    | text      = seeing these really interesting glimpses that you wouldn't get otherwise.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:47.610
    | text      = Totally.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:48.310
    | text      = And, you know, there are some things that are shocking, like, you know, Wallace changing this email, or
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:53.570
    | text      = him having this insight of, "Don't report on the Nazi stuff."
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:57.791
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:58.270
    | text      = Uh-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:58.350
    | text      = That one's crazy.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:42:59.451
    | text      = And, and the... You know, I, I think, I think that that
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:03.470
    | text      = is such a important window, because it helps
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:06.390
    | text      = characterize and understand what this media system and these businesses are.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:10.770
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:11.331
    | text      = Um,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:12.291
    | text      = but, yeah. Ultimately, does it lead to a hammer dropping? Maybe not.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:17.230
    | text      = I bet... You know, like, I hadn't really thought about it this way, but I would now like a meta analysis of
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:26.190
    | text      = how often convictions happened before email and after email.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:31.690
    | text      = Hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:32.091
    | text      = You know what I mean?
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:33.070
    | text      = Or, or how often confessions happened.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:35.390
    | text      = Totally. Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:35.791
    | text      = Because people just knew-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:37.150
    | text      = Yeah, exactly.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:38.011
    | text      = ... "I wrote this down accidentally."
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:39.251
    | text      = Yeah. "Oh, fuck, I fucked up." You know? Like-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:41.070
    | text      = Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:41.091
    | text      = ... I would like a, I would like a numerical, like, "Oh,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:44.291
    | text      = shit, the worst thing that ever happened for crime was the invention of email."
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:47.591
    | text      = Hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:47.930
    | text      = You know? That would be a fun lesson.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:49.591
    | text      = I assume that, uh, if that doesn't exist already, someone could probably get a, a graduate degree-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:55.011
    | text      = Totally. I bet-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:55.970
    | text      = ... based on this, uh...
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:56.270
    | text      = Yeah. Yeah. I bet there is a, there is a PhD out there for you.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:43:59.650
    | text      = Yeah. So take it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:00.591
    | text      = (laughs) Yeah.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:00.650
    | text      = Enjoy.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:00.970
    | text      = Absolutely.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:01.671
    | text      = Someone go get your law degree-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:02.850
    | text      = Go for it.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:03.551
    | text      = ... based on that.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:03.570
    | text      = Yeah, yeah. You won.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:04.791
    | text      = Um, so yeah, that, uh, brings us to the end of this. It's a l- it's, um... You know, obviously there's the, uh,
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:44:10.850
    | text      = compare and contrast aspects with this and InfoWars depositions.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:14.570
    | text      = Totally.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:15.171
    | text      = Uh, but I still think there's... You know, there's a lot of value
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:17.631
    | text      = to it, even though it's not, uh, one of our main characters or...
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:21.310
    | text      = Totally.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:21.791
    | text      = Uh, I think this still has a lot of, a lot of resonance.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:24.890
    | text      = No, I really enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it, 'cause this, again, this improves my depositions for later.
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    | timestamp = 01:44:30.251
    | text      = Mm-hmm.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:30.631
    | text      = I'm, I'm, I'm gonna be a master at this.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:32.331
    | text      = Your danger room, uh... (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:33.390
    | text      = Oh, man. I have, I have no fear of a deposition anymore.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:37.551
    | text      = All right.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:38.030
    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:38.371
    | text      = Well, on that note, uh,
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:40.331
    | text      = we'll be back. Uh, but till then-
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:41.831
    | text      = (laughs)
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:42.051
    | text      = ... we have a website.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:43.190
    | text      = Indeed, we do. It's knowledgefight.com.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:44.890
    | text      = Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious professor.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:49.490
    | text      = Woo. Yeah. Woo. Yeah. Woo.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:52.411
    | text      = And now, here comes w- the sex robots.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:54.711
    | text      = Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.
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{{TranscriptBlock
    | name      = Unknown Speaker
    | timestamp = 01:44:58.131
    | text      = Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
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{{TranscriptBlock
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    | timestamp = 01:45:01.990
    | text      = I love you.
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