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Kn-kn-kn-kn-kno-kno-kno-knowledge fight. Dan. Dan. Dan. Dan. Dan. Dan. Dan and Jordan, I'm sweating.
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have great respect for Knowledge Fight.
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are the bad guys. Knowledge Fight. Dan and Jordan. Knowledge Fight. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert.
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It's time to pray. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for calling us.
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Hello, Alex. I'm a Christian caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
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Knowledge Fight.
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Kn-kn-kn-kn-kno-kno-kno-knowledg fight.com.
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I love you.
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Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the
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altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh.
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Oh.
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Oh, you caught me.
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Uh-huh, uh-huh.
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You caught me. You slowed it down. Uh, my-
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Your timing's off.
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... timing was off. Oh, Dan.
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Mm.
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Dan?
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Jordan.
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Quick question.
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What's up?
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What's your brightspot today, buddy?
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Um, why don't you go first?
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Uh, I've, I will tell you this, uh, uh, there's a new, uh, Netflix special for Philomena Cunk.
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Squid Game 2?
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Uh, no.
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Oh.
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Uh, Cunk on Life.
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Mm-hmm.
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And Philomena Cunk is, like, this, uh, TV presenter
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parody kind of thing, where you know how there's those, uh-
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Like a Jiminy Glick situation.
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Not quite. More like a documentarian who's giving you that s- short version of history.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know, that, let's describe the '60s in, in, like, f-
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a half hour. So there's stuff that they get wrong, and there's things that they paper over, and her
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character is, what if you got everything wrong?
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Okay.
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And what if you papered over everything and just said all kinds of nonsense
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to people who have dedicated their lives to learning?
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Mm-hmm.
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You know, and this special is fantastic for
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one reason. I think there's a truly daring piece of comedy, the first kind that I've seen in a long, long time,
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where she straight up fucks with a guy who has skinned six people alive-
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Ooh.
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... who's on death row.
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Okay.
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And she fucking straight up fucks with him in a way that he has never experienced in his life.
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But he's on death row. He's not gonna skin-
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Exactly.
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... anyone.
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Like, who, b- I mean, it's, it is genuinely, like, a
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really interesting piece of comedy. And I, I, I w- I want you to watch it.
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Well, it's emotionally bold. I, I would want, not wanna be in that situation. But I
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wouldn't be scared of him skinning me.
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No, no, no, no. I, I genuinely think it's an interesting piece. I think you should watch it.
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All right, I'll watch it.
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I think, I think it's really interesting and a little daring.
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All right, I'll watch it.
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Ah, ah.
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And Squid Game 2.
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Sure. (laughs)
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(laughs)
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Squid Games.
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I have not watched that yet.
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Nah, you'll be fine.
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Okay.
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Ah. What's your brightspot?
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Well, um, I have been thinking about it, we're in 2025.
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Mm-hmm.
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The year of
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fives.
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I like that.
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20 is four fives.
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20, four fives.
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Four fives is five fives.
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Four fives, five fives. Yeah, I like it.
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Four, five, five, five.
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Four, five, five, five.
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Um...
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(laughs)
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It, it was, uh, it was brought to my attention that in 2021, we did blackjack.
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Oh. (laughs)
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2020, there was the, uh, the, uh, I'm, I'm Dan and this is 2020, the Robert Walters.
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Right, right.
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Um, we've not done something like that in a while.
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It has been a while.
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Um, and since we're at the beginning of the year, it is an opportunity to do that.
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I like that.
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And I don't know what to do.
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Well, I don't think four four, four fives is gonna be the one. (laughs)
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Four fours versus four fives. No, that's definitely not it.
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No, no. (laughs)
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Um, but I've been sending out these buttons.
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Uh-huh.
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And I got a message from, uh, uh, some people have had suggestions of the year of the seltzer-
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All right.
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... or year of the blank.
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I like that.
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Um, and a couple were pretty close to this. And I thought it was an interesting choice, and I
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think it's vague enough that I can pull it off.
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Okay.
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So, I am going to eat something weird
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once a week-
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All right.
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... for 2025.
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Okay.
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Eating something weird. Now, this was inspired by a certain grocery store that I have mentioned many times.
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We've said a lot, yeah.
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And I su- I'm, I'm probably gonna get a fair amount of things there. But I
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didn't want to make it the year of that.
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Right.
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Because they're not sponsoring us.
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They're advertising. Yeah, no, that's not okay.
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And it's, it's too close of a connection-
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Yeah.
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... uh, for the whole year.
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Right.
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But a lot of weird things will probably end up being sourced from this unnamed grocery store.
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They do the, they do it right.
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And they have a bizarre selection of things, and you can always count on them for a curveball.
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Mm-hmm.
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But we're starting off the year of something weird.
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Mm-hmm.
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Year of Weird.
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Okay.
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That's about it. There, it'll, something will take shape.
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The Yeared of Weird? That's not good.
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Something will take shape.
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Yeah.
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But, uh, this was from the package of candies that our friend Al sent.
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Mm-hmm.
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And there's a lot of stuff in there, a fair amount of marshmallow kind of things. Uh, but there was also
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this, which is called Cheekies, um, which looked troubling.
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Yeah.
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Um-
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They look troubling.
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Yeah, it-
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That's a troubling look.
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Yeah, it kind of looks like a, uh, a black-faced, uh, doll of some sort.
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It is a British candy only, let's put it that way.
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Yeah, and it's chewy, chalk-flavored jelly bellies, or jelly babies.
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And so, it's like, uh, Sour Patch Kids, but they're chocolate flavored.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And I thought that sounded like a disaster.
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Yeah, that does sound like a disaster.
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It's pretty good.
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Interesting.
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They're pretty good.
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All right.
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I think I might order, uh, some more of them.
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Okay.
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(laughs) I might order a bag.
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I, I don't, I would, I would hope that comes in several boxes, because it looks a bit like a Tin Tin broke free-
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Yeah.
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... and made candy.
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Yeah, it's, it's not, uh... They should up their design game.
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(laughs)
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That's for sure.
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Yes, yes, yeah.
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Um, but I thought, like, okay, you have this, like, kind of Jelly Baby, uh, vibe.
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Mm-hmm.
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And chocolate is such a foreign flavor for a chewy kind of gummy thing.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I was like, there's no way this is gonna be, they're gonna pull it off, and it's pretty good.
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Interesting.
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I would, I would prefer that to a Tootsie Roll. So, uh-
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Okay, okay.
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... 2025 starting off all right-
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All right. (laughs)
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... on the weird,
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weird thing I'm eating.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Ugh, 2025.
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Mm-hmm.
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Buh.
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We'll come up with something catchy eventually.
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Oh, man. It's tough, because those, those others happen so naturally and in the moment.
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Yeah.
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And now we're kind of thinking about it-
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Yeah.
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... which is always difficult.
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Eh, something will come.
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Eh.
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So, uh, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
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Okay.
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We're gonna be talking about a emergency broadcast-
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All right.
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... that Alex did on Saturday. Um, I should say that he did come back to studio on Friday.
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Okay.
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So he's been back from his vacation. Um, but Saturday, very important.
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Emergency, emergency.
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Very important stuff going on.
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Okay.
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Um, and we'll get down to business on it. But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
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Ooh, that's a great idea.
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So first, hey, Kareem, yes, you. Can't wait to play that new Monster Hunter and go
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down some crazy conspiracy rabbit holes. Love you
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bro, your friend Zach. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Do you remember that, uh, skater from, uh, Tony Hawk's Pro Skater, Kareem Campbell?
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I do not.
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Yeah.
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Uh, K to the A to the R, double E-N.
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No. (laughs)
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Kareem still lives.
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(laughs)
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Um...
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Oh, that's great.
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Next, uh, I'm becoming a wonk on November 14th, the day of
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a- auction to see how long it takes for you
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to get to the wonk shout-outs. Hope that desk smells like onions. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Uh, next, Clementine.
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(laughs)
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I went into your office to talk about a
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fire sprinkler contract and you told me The Onion had bought InfoWars.com
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and that you listen to Knowledge Fight. This is the best news that I've heard in two weeks.
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Signed Scrooge McDuck. Uh, bad news, Scrooge.
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(laughs)
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Not that, uh, you're now a policy wonk. That's good n- uh...
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Good news.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you. And we've got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
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Ooh.
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So thank you so much to Adam. We've risen above our enemies. Thank you for
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joining me in my special interests. Love, your sibling, Sandy. Thank you so much. You and I are technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Before you start, go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark, bom, bom, bom, bom, bom. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean
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black accent. He's a loser, little, little titty baby. I don't wanna hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you very much.
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So, we start off on the 4th.
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Okay.
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This Saturday. Alex is doing this, uh, emergency transmission from his, uh, special
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secondary studio.
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Okay.
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This is not an Infowars situation.
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Okay. (laughs)
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This is an Alex Jones Network situation.
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Okay, okay.
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It is Saturday,
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January 4th, 2025.
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I am your embattled host, coming to you from deep in the heart of Texas,
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broadcasting worldwide from the backup studios of the Alex
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Jones Network, complete with the servers,
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satellite uplinks-
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Oh my God.
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... studio, and the great crew, of course.
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And we have a larger studio that's pretty much completed right now, so that if they do shut down InfoWars
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in the next few weeks, I'll give you an update on that
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coming up, I'm ready to do that today, uh, we will be able to just seamlessly come right over here
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and continue the operation. We just won't have-
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That's what you wanna hear.
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... infowars.com or those classic studios that we've been in for almost 16 years
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of my 30-plus years on air.
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But that is not what I'm going to cover
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first today, though it is an important update on the war that's still ongoing
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against
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the independent free press, not just here, but across the world
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by the globalists.
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'Cause it seems like he's kind of made a little bit of peace with, uh, losing that stuff.
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Does feel like that.
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I don't feel like there's a lot of fight in him when he's talking about this. I think there's a
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b- bit of a resignation, and I think that there's something
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shocking about the, like, "We've retreated to the backup studios."
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Yeah.
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As opposed... No one dragged him there.
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Right.
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That's sad. (laughs)
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Yeah. I mean, to, to mind ears, if you will, I would say that the, the
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squirrel defends his nest far less when he's moved
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most, if not all, of his acorns to a different nest. You know what I'm saying?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. That's, that's kind of the vibe that I get.
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It doesn't-
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He's kind of checked out-
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(laughs)
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... of the, the other nest a little bit.
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Yeah.
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So, well, that's not the big news, though.
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Oh, okay.
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That's not what we're gonna be covering today. There's other important things.
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Okay.
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Like everyone is jealous of Alex Jones.
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(laughs)
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I am your host, Alex Jones, and obviously this is an emergency broadcast. And
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I've noticed that a... not so much the left, they're more horrified at the transmission-
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Ah!
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... uh, but a lot of, uh, the, uh, other folks that have talk shows and podcasts an- and
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do a lot of great work, uh, eh, but they're jealous, y-
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because obviously we have one of the largest audiences in the
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world, n- not just of patriot media, not just of anti-globalist media, but of
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any shows on the planet. We're in the top, you know, two or three of any English-speaking
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transmission because of the great listeners-
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That can't be true.
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... that support the broadcast, the great crew, our great guests, our great reporters, and the work that
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I obviously do. But I always say what I really believe about something.
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And that doesn't mean sometimes I don't get things a little wrong or sometimes a lot wrong, but
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I'm g- I'm in the high-90s accuracy rate, and I think I'm kinda known for
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being one of the most dead-on, over-the-horizon, uh, type individuals.
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And then sometimes I think I was wrong about something, it turns out later actually I was right, but usually
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where I am the most wrong, after 30-plus years on air I can have some major hindsight
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that's beyond 20/20, it's that I tend to underestimate how bad things are.
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We've all heard the saying, "We need new conspiracy theories 'cause they all, they all came true."
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So wait. What's going on here? You're doing a special report because other people are, like, talking
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shit or they're jealous of you and you're right. What's happening?
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I don't-
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Why are we doing this?
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I don't understand.
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I don't either.
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No.
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I could... All, all I could do is tell that something was sitting unwell with him.
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Yeah.
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There's something th- that's causing him
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severe, uh, discomfort.
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I have a problem here.
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Mm-hmm.
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And this is a thing that I would like settled, right?
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If you say, "I s- I'm known for saying what I believe."
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Over the horizon, baby.
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Right.
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That doesn't mean that I don't get things wrong sometimes.
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My question is,
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if you are aware that you do get things wrong sometimes,
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do you change what you believe or do you just continue to believe the thing that's wrong?
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Yeah. Have you ever, uh, reconsidered-
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Right.
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... uh, some of those beliefs?
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Sometimes I'm wrong, but I continue believing it anyway. Seems like a psychopathic way of viewing life.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Kinda like, yeah, man. That's-
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Yeah. I mean, it makes sense.
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That's what he does.
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No. It makes sense. I'm just, I'm just worried that you're aware that you're a psychopath, you know?
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Well, and that's something that I think
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runs through this that I think is fascinating, is that there's, there's
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this awareness. And, you know, like, th- he, uh, i- in this next clip, he's
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almost self-aware of the fact that he calls everything an emergency transmission.
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(laughs)
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And he has called this an emergency transmission.
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Right.
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And so there's just a defensiveness.
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Okay.
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Uh, is
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Russia's leaders saying we're the closest to nuclear war ever and all the other
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mainline military analysts agreeing with that? Is that an emergency?
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So, so when you're talking about something that is a serious threat
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to the existence of all life on the surface of the planet,
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that, that
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the International Atomic
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Association of Scientists in, in their whole
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60, 70 year, well, their 70, 50s, history,
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they say we're the closest to nuclear war we've ever been. I totally agree with them.
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Is that
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an emergency? Is that a threat?
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And of course the answer is yes. That is an emergency. So if you're a show, if you're a broadcast
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talking about those emergencies,
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shouldn't it be an emergency broadcast?
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See, people trying to not
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want you to be urgent,
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people not wanting you to put your house out when it's on fire,
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well,
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who are they working for?
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So here is the, like, sort of the, the sense that you get. You have, like, him complaining
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about some people who are not leftists-
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Yeah.
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... uh, who are talking some shit. They're complaining about him. And then there's this
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s- long bit of defensiveness-
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Yeah.
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... about, uh, h- calling everything
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an emergency. It seems like someone was making fun of him-
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Yeah.
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... for calling things emergencies.
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It has to be.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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(laughs) That's-
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If you're, if you're at the point where you're saying, "Uh, uh, uh,
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uh, uh, okay, a broadcast about an emergency is by definition an emergency broadcast"-
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Yeah.
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... you're in the, you're on the wrong side.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I get the logic there, but it's bad argumentation.
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Right.
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It's fine to say that the subjects Alex
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covers constitute emergencies, I guess. A lot of them are exaggerated or entirely made up, but if they
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weren't, they would be emergencies.
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The issue is what the purpose of an emergency transmission is for the viewer.
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An entertainment show about emergencies is not an emergency
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transmission, because an emergency transmission implies the need for immediate action.
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Tornado sirens going off to signal that you should get to shelter is an emergency transmission.
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A show discussing this year's hurricane season or tornado season is not.
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Alex's marketing relies on heightening everything so far
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past the point of serious conversation that it sometimes becomes self-parody.
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Just about every show he puts out has some kind of flashy headline, like "Emergency Transmission" or
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"World War III Launched Officially," because he's trying to fuck with the audience's brains
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so they think that the show is a tornado siren as opposed to a show about tornadoes.
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He needs to do tricks like this to circumvent any potential for critical thinking, because his
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information wouldn't stand up to any critical scrutiny, uh, i- i-
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b- clearly.
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Yeah.
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Alex knows all this, and because he's sided with Elon in terms of the whole
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immigration thing, I suspect he's been getting a bit of bad feedback from areas of his audience
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that are more overtly into white nationalism.
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Maybe.
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Those kinds of people never actually
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liked Alex to begin with, but they recognize the value of his
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show as a stepping stone to their ideology, so they humored all the embarrassing, uh,
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Alex aspects and the constant emergency reports.
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Sure.
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It wasn't worth fighting about that stuff, because he was a net
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positive, and the harder core racists may
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not feel that way anymore, which makes Alex feel a little bit defensive.
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Yeah.
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I think that's kind of existing in the background of what he's wrestling with here.
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I wonder i- if, you, okay, here's my question for the hardcore racists. All right?Eh, eh, don't you owe
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this current hardcore racism- racism to the people who are not as hardcore racist as you?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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No, totally. But you-
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Yeah.
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... can't venerate that.
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Eh.
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You have to, you have to still attack it-
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That's true.
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... in order to maintain your position-
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Right.
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... as the harder core stuff.
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Right. You must always be eating your own e- b- you must always bite the hand that feeds you.
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And, but they always have been of Alex too.
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Sure.
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It's just that sometimes it'll, uh,
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lash out a little bit. Sometimes it'll get to a point where
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there is an actual impasse, which is the stuff like supporting Elon, supporting the H-1B visas.
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Sure.
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That kind of stuff is, um, like a flare-up of this uneasy truce-
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Sure. Sure. Sure. Sure.
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... th- that they have. Like white supremacists and neo-Nazis, they will make fun of Alex
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privately, I'm sure, but they won't
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have those same criticisms publicly-
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Right.
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... because he's useful as a marketing tool.
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Keep it in-house. Right.
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Right.
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Right, right, right, right.
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And then when there are little flare-ups, maybe you're like, "Hey, your show's fucking stupid."
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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"You keep saying everything's an emergency report to try and trick people into paying attention to you."
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Right.
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Maybe you say things like that during those flare-ups.
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Sure.
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Whereas you just keep it to yourself when he's useful-
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Mm.
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... uh, and, and everything's going fine.
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Man.
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So Alex is dealing with that, I think.
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It sucks to get old if that's who... you know, 'cause i- it sucks to
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be the person biting the hand that feeds
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and then start feeding people and get your hand bit and be like, "Come on, guys."
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It's disappointing.
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Yeah.
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So this, uh, we'll run through the, uh, the
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rest of this, but, uh, there's a couple of topics that Alex hits that maybe are worth touching on, sure.
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When they say manmade climate change is a threat-
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Oh, God.
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... obviously it isn't manmade
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climate, you know, effects in all the real studies are, are just basically not even existent. It's one, one
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micron of a percent. It's, it's, it's not even
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registering compared to the sun and other big,
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uh, things that have the main effect on the planet. The sun's like 99.9% of it in the major astrophysics
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studies. Look it up. They just tell you
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in, in UN declarations, "Oh, the sun? That doesn't affect climate."
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They actually had a declaration, what, seven years ago, you type it in if you don't believe me.
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Uh, UN declares the sun has no effect on climate.
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That's the thing. Oxygen has no effect on your bloodstream. You don't need oxygen.
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But this is a key thing I'm explaining here upfront before going to all this massive breaking news,
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and it is that
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they are creating a crisis, and they're telling you
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that it's because you're bad and you
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had too many kids, and because you have a car or because you have a swimming pool or because you eat red meat.
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So the UN never said that the sun has nothing to do with
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climate. Scientists have just been super clear that changes in the sun's energy output
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can't explain the climate change that we've seen, uh, since the Industrial
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Revolution and forward. One major reason
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for this is that climate change has accelerated severely since the 1970s, during
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which time there hasn't been a comparable
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change in solar activity. If these two things had a causal relationship, they would run parallel
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to each other, and they do not. The other
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observation, uh, that puts this solar hypothesis in trouble is that if it were all just the sun, then
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everything would be heating up. Every
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layer of the atmosphere would be seeing the same effect, and that's not the case.
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As is pointed out on climate.gov, quote,
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"Satellites and observations from weather balloons show warming in the
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lower atmosphere and cooling in the upper stratosphere,
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which is exactly what we would expect to see as a result of increase in greenhouse gases
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trapping heat in the lower atmosphere."
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Alex's argument is just wrong and dumb bec- that's because it's not an argument.
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It's a way to dodge the actual argument in favor of having an argument that he would prefer to have
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which is not real, which is about, uh, massive fun conspiracies and demons-
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Yeah.
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... and, and stuff.
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Yeah.
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So he's trying to play the game of, like, there is an actual crisis here, but it's-
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Right.
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... not the crisis of climate change-
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Right.
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... it's the crisis of the globalists using that against you.
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Right. I mean, it is, it is an interesting thing on account of, like,
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yeah, there are a lot of current crises currently happening,
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and even if we were great at dealing with those, we're still shitty at dealing with climate change.
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Mm-hmm.
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Like, that's a real bummer.
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Yeah.
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That is a real bummer.
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It is.
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I was reading a, a thing
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about, uh, I don't know how this happens, uh,
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you know, sometimes you get caught in the algorithm and it'll actually give you something that you're
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interested in. And so it was going over the history of tall tsunami waves, uh, which
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if you're, if you're talking waves, you're gonna get me.
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Sure.
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And there was a wave that was higher than the Burj Khalifa.
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Whoa.
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And it's like, that's a wave.
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That's a big old wave.
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That's a wave. And then I started thinking about it, and I thought, you know, we're young enough
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that it is far more likely in our lifetimes to see a wave taller than that.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know? And then I was like, "I'm never going to go near a coastline."
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(laughs) It's just never gonna happen. Landlocked forever.
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'Cause, 'cause you think that will be when that wave happens.
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I mean, obviously it'll be my fault.
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Right.
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Of course. So I gotta stay-
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You're, you're like a magnet.
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I gotta stay landlocked-
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Yeah.
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... otherwise the wave... Well, I mean, that, that
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might be a bad idea, 'cause then the waves are gonna try and come and get me.
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Right.
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And then we're talking big waves.
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Yeah, they have to be much bigger-
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Yeah.
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... if you're further from the coast.
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(laughs) Yeah. Yeah.
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So I, I think that the... you know, obviously this is a real subject and shit.
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Yeah.
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Um, and most of this show is Alex whining.
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Yeah.
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But, uh, I wanted to bring it in, uh, mostly because of this next clip.
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Okay.
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Where he's trying to find evidence of his claims that the UN doesn't want breathing.
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Oh. (laughs) Oh, no.
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I show you what I'm talking about. In fact, I, I, I
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love the crew. I didn't tell them to do it,
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so they were unable to find it. I didn't tell them before the show. But
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I don't wanna say on air that the UN just came out
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and environmental groups just came out and said human's breathing is bad. Th- that doesn't sound
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real and so evil. And so I'm very neurotic right now. I'm gonna have to find that myself. Uh,
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eh, because I, I, I must show you,
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I must show you what I'm talking about. I, I can't make a statement,
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show over the top like that, uh, and then, and then
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not show you, because I mean, i- it's true. And it's, it's, it, it's insane. Um, so,
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you know, that's just where we are.
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Sci- they say, "Gases we exhale simply by breathing contribute to 0.013
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of the greenhouse gas emissions." Okay, you found one
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from two years ago, but they came out two weeks ago and said, "Human's breathing is bad."
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Sounds true.
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I-
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i- i- it's okay. It's, it's true. I have to stop being so OCD. I didn't used to be so OCD.
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Sounds true.
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I've gotten very, very,
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very,
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very OCD about stuff. But how the hell is the crew supposed to find everything I just say?
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It's not true. The UN loves you. That's why they tell you don't have any kids.
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(spits) Oh, I'm gonna find it during the break.
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Oh my God, I must have it. I must have it.
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Hell, I got video of him saying it. I'll find it.
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All right, but I, I'm gonna move out of this and get into the big news
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on the emergency broadcast. Yeah, it's an emergency.
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Yeah. Yeah, it's an emergency. Yeah. (laughs) All right.
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I love a good, uh, people say that there's
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no way that's true, but it must be true, and it's not. People are totally correct.
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Mm-hmm.
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Sometimes people are correct when they go, "There's no way that's true."
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But he doesn't change his beliefs.
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Nope. That's an issue.
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Yeah.
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I feel like that's the issue.
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It is.
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Yeah.
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And very well illustrated by that clip.
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(laughs)
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And also, I think that there's something
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really funny about someone going out to a commercial break yelling about how it's an emergency-
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Yeah.
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... when they're doing a show that doesn't need to have commercial breaks.
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There's no reason.
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Nope.
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He's not on the radio.
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Nope.
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Li- this is on Saturday. This isn't one of his shows.
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Yep.
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He can do this with no commercials.
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Could.
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Yeah.
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He owns it.
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But it's an emergency.
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It's on the Alex Jones Network.
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Well-
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Not on...
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He technically doesn't own it.
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Well... (laughs)
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I think that's also an issue.
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So I was still wrestling even as he went out to break with, like, "Why are we doing this show?"
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Yeah.
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The best I could tell is that Alex feels bad, uh, and he wants to complain.
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Uh, and then I kinda realized what was up.
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Okay.
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I, I, I have to tell you, uh,
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I responded to, to Elon yesterday, and that went viral, uh, to his post that I'll be reading on Air Next Hour.
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Okay.
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And I just simply said this, to give you a little-... prelude to what I'll be getting into.
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Who defines negativity?
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(laughs)
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You see, I see everything I do as extremely positive.
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That's my goal. I, I, I look back sometimes and say,
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"Hey, I could've done that a lot better." A lot of times I nail it.
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Yeah, sure. So the day before this on the
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3rd, Elon tweeted, quote, "Algorithm tweak coming soon to promote, uh, more
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informational/entertaining content.
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Our goal is to maximize unregretted user-seconds.
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Too much negativity is being pushed that technically grows user time, but not unregretted user time."
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Naturally, this is a complete betrayal of the
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very basic premise of the Trump world's support of Elon, who had, uh,
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taken over Twitter and turned it into the only real free speech platform in the world.
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The idea that he would game the system to favor things that he finds informational or entertaining
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and hide things that are pushing, quote, "negativity"
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runs directly counter to everything he's supposed to stand for.
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It's super obvious that, uh, he was interested in power and Trump was the
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means to achieve power. He gave the dude a ton of money and now he gets to run a fake government efficiency
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office, and he owns the largest social media company in the world
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where he gets to determine what's too negative to be seen by users. He's already claimed in court an
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absolute ownership of everyone's accounts and has provided
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financial incentives for people to follow his rules to farm engagement.
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Basically, Alex and every one of these right-winged dipshits who signed up with Elon and supported him got
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played by an obvious con. He should have listened to David Icke when he had a chance, but now Alex is in way
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too deep. It probably won't matter because there's no
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such thing as continuity in his audience, but this should be a severely
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discrediting, uh, kind of moment for Alex with the audience.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Elon is the Trump of 2024 for Alex. In
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2016, Trump came along and offered Alex
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relevancy and respect and adjacency to power, and even though he clearly
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knew better, Alex bent the knee and signed up as Trump's most pathetic
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spokesperson. And the same thing happened with Elon in this election cycle, except
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that Trump actually went on Alex's show. This time around, some dude who sounds like
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Elon kept calling into Alex's show and Alex decided to pretend it was
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Musk, and that was good enough. This is sad.
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You, what the fuck? Like him saying we're gonna, uh, de-incentivize negativity. (laughs)
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I mean, I, (blows raspberry) I, you know, they, I don't even know, first off, I don't even know what he means.
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No.
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You know? Like-
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Well, I do.
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Well again, you pro-
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Capriciousness is in style.
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Sure, sure, sure. But I mean just the, the usage of "unregretted" time makes me wanna fight him.
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Mm-hmm.
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Just on account of like, don't, don't say, ugh, all time is regretted and it's, uh, b- yeah, yeah. Uh-
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Well yeah, but it, it's, it's, uh, uh-
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(laughs)
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... unquantifiable-
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Right.
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... in a way the, to run cover for you to make the decisions that you wanna make-
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Right.
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... as a social media site owner-
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Right.
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... that you understand run counter to the promises that you made a bunch of shitheads.
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Right. Give me some numbers that say
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it's smart for me to do the thing that I want to do whether I have numbers or not.
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Mm-hmm.
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That kind of, that kind of thing.
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Do you think he has a quantifiable, like number for unregretted user time?
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I mean-
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Please.
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... I don't even know what the-
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Fuck outta here.
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... what even would that be?
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I-
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Who defines regretted time? (laughs)
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I think that he would regret
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any further catering to the people that he fucking clearly hates-
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Sure, sure.
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... that he was giving a million dollars to sign up to vote, "Ooh, look at me!"
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Yeah.
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(laughs) Like-
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Yeah.
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... people he has a utter disdain for which are Trump's base, uh, and, uh, all these folks.
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Yeah.
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I think that would be regretted user time.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And I think he's signaling a little bit of that.
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I, I feel, I feel a certain amount of bad for a lot of people who got conned,
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and who just legitimately got conned, you know? 'Cause you can get conned.
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I don't.
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That's, uh-
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Not in this one.
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Yeah, it's tough. It's tough, but it's hard not to, because you, there's, how do you get out of the con if you w-
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if like you know that the moment you try and leave the con, everyone's gonna be like, "Told you so." You know?
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I feel a certain amount of empathy on a human level-
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Yeah.
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... but then I don't, uh, care too much-
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(smacks lips) I agree.
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... because this whole thing, this whole Trump movement and all this shit was supposed to be about
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the undue power of corporations and the, the unelected bureaucrats and the elites and-
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Sure.
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... and all this stuff, and how they're, uh, trying to keep them, common man down and all this stuff.
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Right, right.
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And if the con that you fall for is Elon Musk-
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Yeah.
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... then I don't really, I don't feel all that bad.
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You know, I, I, you've, you've argued me into agreement. (laughs)
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So Alex is staking his position.
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Uh-huh.
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Which is clearly like, he's not going to abandon-
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Right.
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... the power and shit that, that-
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Bof.
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... be, appearing to be close to Musk provides him.
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Right.
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And I think that that's the tension that is, was at the top of the episode.
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Right.
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And the reason why this has happened.
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Right.
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So Alex goes on to talk about how he's proud to be white. (laughs)
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(laughs)
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You know, it's like the anti-Israel crowd. I got big problems with Israel
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and big problems with the ADL and APAC
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and, you know, the stuff they do, and I've been
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critical of them thousands and thousands and thousands of times, but not because-
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Bow, wow.
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... the people that just hate Jews in general, uh, you know, have attacked me.
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I've done it from a position of, hey, there's some big problems with what's going on,
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and how people can run that have committed crimes to Israel and all the rest
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of it. But I'm also critical of Communist China and its leadership, not of the Chinese people.
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Uh, and, and so I'd probably be more critical of Israel
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except I don't wanna be aligned with the cult
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of Jew haters that just hate Jews in general and, uh, just come off nasty and evil and maniacal and lie.
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'Cause I know they're lying about a lot because they lie about me
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for 30 years.
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I went on air 30 years ago, 31 years in April, and
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I just wanted a big tent for everybody to promote freedom. I'm not a closet white supremacist. Uh, I am
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pro-human and I'm also proud to be Anglo, and I
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think whites have been targeted and that's wrong, and whites shouldn't be
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apologetic, and we should stand up for ourselves and our culture's great. And I think the West has been, uh,
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amazing. I mean, you could argue my many perspectives, superior.
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I mean, I, I, I will say that, that, that the-
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(laughs)
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... Caucasians are amazing. I think all humans are amazing.
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(laughs)
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But I'm really proud to be white.
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That doesn't mean I hate other humans, you see. So-
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(laughs) Yes it does.
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... I've, I've been involved fighting the globalists for 30 years and
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back when people, 30 years ago, this was like
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1% or 2% of the population knew about this, and I'd say about a third of them back then
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were
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pretty much Hitler lovers. You'd go over to their house for dinner, some prominent person
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that wrote books, whatever, you, you
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read their books, you never, and they're like, "Hey, Hitler's really good, isn't he?
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Have you ever actually read his speeches?" And I'm just like, "Uh, yeah, I mean,
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I, I don't think Hitler's good." You know, I, I, I
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understand that some of what we're told about World War II wasn't true and that Germany had problems and
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the Versailles Treaty, "Oh, you know about that?" Yeah, I, I know quite a bit about it all.
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Uh, but I just, I just also don't like the Nazis, you know? I, I, I, it's, it's kinda like
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I don't like Stalin either.
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I can't think of any reason why.
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It's just 'cause Hitler's bad doesn't mean Stalin's good.
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Uh, just because, uh, there were evil people, you know, in, in the British government and others,
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just 'cause the Rothschilds are bad and evil, you know, doesn't mean Hitler's good. So
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I've been in this since I was 20 years old
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and I was informed since I was about 10, so
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I said I'd get into censorship next hour.
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I'm,
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I'm really just trying to say to everybody here that I
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am who I say I am and everything I stand for is completely transparent.
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Okay. So that was pretty revealing. Um, I would say that if I were involved in a movement where like one
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third of the people involved were Nazis,
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I would start to ask some hard questions about that movement. That's
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way too high of a percentage to be a coincidence.
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Should be really worried that maybe your ideology is just a respectable public mask for
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Nazis to wear and maybe you're being duped.
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But beyond that, a couple of important points here.
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First, there isn't really a problem with being proud of being a white person necessarily.
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He's welcome to have that relationship with his heritage, uh, putting it as a white person as opposed to
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something more specific about, like, where your family's from. W- That's a little bit messy, but the issue
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really is when pride in your heritage becomes a
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need to exclude people who you perceive to not be members of your heritage.
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For instance, Alex recognizing the contributions of
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Anglo peoples through history is fine, but when it's expressed as constantly by him complaining
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about how there's too many Black characters in
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movies, you get the sense that his feelings aren't pride in his heritage,
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it's more about being a huge entitled racist.
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Second, Alex has a whole world of complaints at his
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disposal about Israel there at the beginning and he, he chooses to complain about the
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ADL and AIPAC and then says he doesn't like that people can commit crimes and then run to Israel.
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Instead of his concern with the Israeli government being based in some kind of opposition to the
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treatment of Palestinians or any other
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grievance he could raise, he brings up a specifically neo-Nazi-coded complaint.
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This is a dual loyalty trope that Alex is employing.
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It's, uh, the neo-Nazi position that
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since any Jewish person can become a citizen of Israel, they can never really be loyal to any other country.
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There's nothing stopping them from committing
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whatever crimes they want and then at the first sign of trouble, they can just
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run off to Israel to avoid any consequences.
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This is what neo-Nazis constantly attacked Alex about because his first wife was Jewish, and thus
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their children were Jewish, and made it so Alex could
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expatriate whenever he wanted to. That was their argument.
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It's worth noting that this is the first thing that comes to his mind when
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he's thinking of complaints about Israel. It's
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almost like the world he's been involved in since he was a kid was at least one-third neo-Nazis
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and he never cared to even consider what that influence might have had on the
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information that he took in and how he processed
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it. Almost like the air he's breathed in his whole life is racist shit, to the point where he doesn't even know
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that not everyone does that. Like, there's such a thing as oxygen.
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Yeah.
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You don't have to breathe this shit.
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Yeah.
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(laughs) This is crazy.
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Listen, I'm not a neo-Nazi. I'm not a white nationalist. I agree with everything they think.
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Period.
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Right.
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(laughs)
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S- I think that, uh, I, I have heard some people very
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wisely or er- or, or very humorously say i- when someone says something, they say less.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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Yes.
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Instead of say more?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I feel like Alex would be well-served by him being like, "I have a lot of complaints about Israel." Say less.
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Yeah.
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Don't keep going 'cause this is fucked up. (laughs)
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Yeah, I think, I think it was Lincoln who put it best
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when he said, "I'd rather everybody
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thought I was a white nationalist than open my mouth and remove all doubt."
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Right.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, Western culture is superior. Um-
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That's just not a good thing to start with.
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Nah, it's not great.
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To understand, I understand your arguments.
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I understand each of these groups has its beef and we organize into tribes.
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Beef. (laughs)
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We organize into gangs and it's-
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That's what I call it.
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... part of our biology and part of our instincts to do it, and I understand
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exactly how you all feel. But you have to understand that
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I've studied the sociology, the psychology, the anthropology, but also have the
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overlay of my spiritual connection
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to i- the infinite in God, and I follow what the directive of the Holy Spirit tells me, and
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it's, it's, it's that I'm trying to unify people around a pro-human vision.
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Doesn't mean we don't stand up for our cultures or our sovereignty or our territorial
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issues. No, no, we do that, but from a position of strength and to lift others up,
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not have our instinct to lift others up used against us to bring in others
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who are then turned against us, which is absolutely being done.
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The idea that white people are the only ones that are tribal or racist, you know, and the idea that
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white people are a bad thing and if they're just gotten rid of, the world's gonna be a perfect, wonderful
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place is being pushed by BlackRock and Larry Fink
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and some of those lobbies that are in competition with the superiority of Western culture
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and do not want the world to adopt Western culture that comes from, uh,
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the Nordic and, and, uh, Caucasian peoples. And they don't want that idea to be supreme
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because in that system, there isn't room for tyrannical, centralized, anti-human groups.
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So I'm trying to sell the spirit of the West
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and the ideas of the West, 1776 worldwide, the flower of the West and the Renaissance and the current great
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counterrevolution to the depopulationist. And I understand the different schools of
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thoughts, I understand the different-
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Do you?
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... substratas. I've, I've studied it all. This is what I do.
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Did you?
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And so,
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I am trying to get people to look at it from the outside at 35,000 feet.
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Are you?
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To see things from my perspective. And when you have my perspective, it doesn't mean you believe what
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I believe, it doesn't believe you know what
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I know, it doesn't mean you have m- your own interpret- uh, m- my interpretations.
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It simply means that
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you are at least
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looking at the things I'm saying and, and, and, and I'm showing you
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what I'm looking at and I'm showing you my interpretation, and I'm asking you, will you please put yourself
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in my eyes? Will, will you, will you, will you put your eyes behind my eyes?
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(laughs)
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And, and will you actually listen to them?
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(laughs)
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I have. I've been doing that for a while and it's
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not great. (laughs)
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Could you, uh, I, I mean, it is h- it is hard to imagine him use, not using more, like,
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idioms and ideas all taken from every culture
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other than the one that he is crowing about and then ending it with, essentially,
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"Walk two moons in my shoes," would you?
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Won't you consider things from my perspective?
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(laughs)
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I, I, I,
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I think that I get what he's saying and that is that, like,
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I'm trying to sell white supremacy, but without the baggage, baby.
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Right.
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(laughs)
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Right, right, right, right.
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There's a part that people all really don't like.
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Right.
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And that part, we're trying to pretend isn't here.
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Right.
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And you guys are really hung up on pushing it.
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I wanna talk about the places where I can defend our superiority-
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Right.
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... and I wanna tell you that all the other places don't exist, meaning we're superior in all ways.
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It's a very interesting perspective that, uh, uh, his eyes reveal.
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(laughs) I don't think it's a good one.
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Nope.
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Nope, nope, nope, nope.
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Again, I woulda shut up if I were him, but-
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Ooh.
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He doesn't need to be doing this show to begin with. This is just him
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being mad because Elon Musk's getting some flack on Twitter. (laughs)
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I just wanna get out here and make sure everybody knows that I'm a white nationalist in
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order to protect against how people might
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feel about me kowtowing to a weird billionaire who I've, uh,
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ostensibly supposed to have been fighting against my entire career.
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Right, you white nationalists-
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Yeah.
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... are really mad at this guy.
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Yeah.
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And I'm not going to abandon him yet, but I don't want you to think I'm not cool.
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Right.
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So-
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Boof.
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Emergency broadcast. (laughs)
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Emergency broadcast. Hey, guys, I'm still racist, come on!
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Come on!
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Come on!
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But I still like Musk. But-
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Right.
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What is negativity?
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I want money and racism. Why can't we all just get together on board and give me
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money and you guys continue being racist?
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Yeah. So, Elon Musk is trying to get rid of negativity.
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Good.
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And this is too vague for Alex, which I have to say is
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great.
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Fair. (laughs)
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And then, there's so many ways to go at this, but, but I think the best way is to just
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start, uh, on Elon Musk and his announcement about this new anti-negativity
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algorithm.
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And, uh, he is a maverick
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and he always, basically does things different than the other systems, uh, but I don't see
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how
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you have a statement like that, of its very nature, where it's one word, negativity,
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and then someone defines what that is and then they decide what they're going to basically
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algorithm down in a social credit score.
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Right.
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Of reach, which is currency. You know, reach is
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currency, it's the ultimate form of communication, the
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ability to communicate. It's one of the first amendments first. So-
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That said, there's clearly things that, uh, I wouldn't even call censorship.
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I mean, negativity would be child porn, producing it or posting it. Negativity would be
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telling people to go out and poison the water supply. Uh, negativity would be
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doing everything the Democrats do, saying, "Let's take people's kids away from them and
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sterilize them." But if I'm opposing that,
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it sounds negative.
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And you'll tell people, "Hey, do you know about this bad thing happening?" "Oh, I don't wanna be negative."
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Well, no, no, no, it's positive to admit it's happening and expose it, but you can see how,
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yeah, let's block child porn
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and things like that
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'cause that's not just negative, it's destructive and it's death
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and it's illegal. But then if I'm exposing it's going on,
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well, then you can say, "Well, it's negative to talk about negative things," but it's not
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negative. If I've got a broken tooth and, "Oh, I'm- my tooth's broken," "Oh, just
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s- say your tooth's not broken, don't be negative." No, I'm gonna call the dentist,
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I'm gonna go get it fixed. Broke one last week. So
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again, it's who defines negativity.
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Okay. So, negativity is a super vague standard, which is why
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the owner of a social media company shouldn't make
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declarations like Musk did. It's great to encourage more productive
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positive interactions and to model that through your actions, but Musk is one of the biggest
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shitheads on social media, he owns the site, and he was announcing a change to its algorithm.
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There's no way to make this statement in a way that would go over well with anyone, except the existing
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power structure that would welcome the opportunity to suppress viewpoints they don't like.
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Naturally, this is an insane conflict of interest, because
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Elon has tons of government funding for various businesses
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and is the head of a fake efficiency office in the new Trump administration.
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He's not some random individual who owns a social media site, he's in effect a
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government official, and that dynamic cannot be
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disentangled from his ownership of Twitter. This should be illegal. So when he says, like, this kind of, uh,
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w- we're gonna get less negativity going-
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Yeah.
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... he exists as a government figure and as the owner of this site.
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Yeah.
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It's impossible, uh, to uncouple.
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It feels like you might even argue that railroad barons shouldn't own newspapers.
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It's debatable.
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Hm. Strange.
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But beyond that, child exploitation material is a crime. It's not negativity.
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Musk doesn't have to adjust the algorithm to reduce the spread of that, because
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the mechanisms to address it are already in place.
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Alex is trying to fudge the definition of what Musk meant by negativity because
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if he were to approach this issue honestly, Alex would have to accept that Musk meant things I don't like,
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and that Alex has given Musk what amounts to
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full control over the level, uh, levers of currency, which is speech and-
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Yeah.
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... and reach.
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Yeah.
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Musk making this announcement can't be understood
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outside of the context of his recent fight with Laura Loomer and various large Nazi accounts on Twitter
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who were super mad about his take on H-1B visas. The
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more racist wing of the extreme right turned on Elon pretty hard, and you can
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see that on Twitter. If Alex were to address this issue accurately, he'd have to accept that
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Elon didn't care about free speech or any of these pretend ideals. Buying Twitter was a play for
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power, and it worked. Trump got into
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office, probably aided by Tr- uh, Musk's actions as the head of
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Twitter and his large donations, and now Musk doesn't really have
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so much use for the free speech stuff as an organizing principle.
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Alex played his role perfectly as a means of
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laundering Elon's actions, which has led to Elon getting the power that he sought.
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Unfortunately for Alex, that's not gonna trickle down, and Elon
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isn't going to stay very interested in free speech
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once he's in a position where violating that principle serves his interests.
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Yeah.
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Which is where we're about at.
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Yeah. Yep. Usually you get into trouble whenever you
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accept somebody going, "I don't wanna control what people say. I wanna control what people hear."
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Hm.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm. I'll just accept that on face value.
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And- and- and to be perfectly honest, like,
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moderating social media is a good thing, and I am not opposed to it.
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Sure.
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And I think a well-intentioned person trying to make things less negative
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I think could go a long way, like, um, it was before Elon came ar-
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Sure.
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Like, it was a little bit better in terms of people getting banned.
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I haven't s-
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Not perfect, certainly.
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I haven't seen anybody argue that it's gotten better under Elon.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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And so my- my-
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Well, I've seen, uh, I have seen people argue that, but incorrectly.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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My issue isn't the, uh, the notion of, like, let's take a more proactive approach
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to moderating the content that flies around this bullshit site.
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Yeah.
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I don't think that's a problem. I think it's that, it's him who's doing it.
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Yeah.
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And I think what he's doing is pretty see-through.
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Yeah.
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That's more like... My problem is, is, has been, and will continue to be him.
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Yeah. I have never... I, and here's a thing that you would think would
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sooner or later seep into the entire human race.
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Never
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in recorded history has giving, has giving the most
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wealthy man on the planet unilateral power wound up good.
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No.
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It's never happened.
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No. And whatever little, um, bits of change you get from farming engagements-
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Yeah.
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... and whatever he's opened up, whatever these avenues are-
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Yeah.
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... are a pittance.
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Yeah.
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And they're not worth it.
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I mean, I guess, uh, listen, we did get the Sistine Chapel. So
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in one situation,
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I guess it worked out.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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So Alex is really concerned about this stuff.
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Mm-hmm.
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About this negativity definition. But also, hey, maybe Elon's right? (laughs)
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(laughs)
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Yeah. Um,
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I am, I am very, uh,
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very concerned
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about that,
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but I also
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am gonna wait and see.
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(laughs)
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But- but see, I'm kinda already getting into this.
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(laughs)
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Um,
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but, you see, here's
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the problem.
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What's the problem?
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There's thousands of points that go into this.
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Data points?
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If you've got bots and organizations and groups going on X,
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trying to sow dissent, trying to divide and conquer,
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deliberately lying, and deliberately trying to hurt people,
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because you notice the left's been pretty
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quiet since Trump won, and- and- and- and their plans have come out before us, and we can see it
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sow division and MAGA,
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get us all to fight with each other.
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That's- that's- that's the tactic going on.
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But you still have to criticize things that
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Trump does you disagree with, or Congress, or... Th- th- that's all important.
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So- so at the end of the day, I- I think the knowledge of the crowd and people's intelligence,
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that just what people share and look at and watch, over time, people are going
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to figure it out.
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Oh, no, no, no. Def- I don't think that's true. But, um,
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yeah, I- I think that this is a sad rationalization.
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Like, Elon and a lot of parts of the heroes that they've created,
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um, a lot of those people have fundamental disagreements.
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Yeah.
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With a large part of the MAGA base.
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Yeah.
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And what has energized a lot of the MAGA movement.
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Yep.
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And it was a matter of time until the two would come, uh, head-to-head. They would become... I
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did probably think it would be after that Trump got into office.
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Ah, maybe.
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I didn't- I didn't think it was gonna be before
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even inauguration.
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Keep it in-house.
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Yeah. (laughs)
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Uh, but it was, it's very clear that these two things are not compatible.
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They're not.
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I've said this since Alex started cozying up to Elon
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Musk, that it's the correct position for people in his place-
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Yeah.
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... to be against Elon Musk.
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Yeah.
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You cannot do th- like, he has a lot of positions that are, quote-unquote, "globalism."
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Yep.
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There's a lot of stuff that you cannot square with your fundamental brand.
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Yeah.
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And
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I think pretending that it's the left
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sowing division when it's just the inevitable consequence of a bad ally relationship-
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Mm-hmm.
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... I think that's sad.
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Yeah. I mean,
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like, okay, the trade-off...
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... I guess the answer here, I'm, I'm glad the crew reminded me of that. Owen
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said that over the phone today, and I was talking to him and
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w- didn't really catch what he said. He said, he said, "This is just
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freedom of speech, not freedom of reach." And, and of course
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Owen has been critical. He's, he's not defending it, he's just, he's saying, "No that's just,
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uh, you know, Elon's original deal," is what he thought.
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So this is kind of a fine position to have, that a social media company isn't obligated to give you free
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rein to post whatever you want. I have no problem with that stance, but it's hilarious coming from Alex.
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Before Elon bought Twitter, any time someone was suspended, it was some elaborate
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conspiracy to shadow ban the truth-tellers.
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The issue here is what the default assumption Alex
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works from has changed. Previously when something happened, it was an attack on
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all the patriots until someone could prove that it wasn't.
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Jack banning people who post racist spam, that was about creating the
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standard that censoring some people was
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okay, so later it could be used to censor people like Alex. Now
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Alex's assumption is that there's an explanation for what Musk is doing that isn't a grand attack
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on the patriots until someone proves to him that it is.
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He's even got this fun rhyme, "Freedom of speech, not
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freedom of reach," that he's repeating to try to justify Musk's actions.
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His whole campaign against shadow banning had to do with this
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belief that freedom of speech was the same as freedom of reach, so he probably should just cut bait on this
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at this point and just be like, "Nope, we're, we're enemies here."
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Yep.
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Also, I thought that maybe he was talking about us when he said that people were always squawking about him.
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(laughs)
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But then I realized that it was impossible since I've never for a second cared about Twitter reach.
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Yeah.
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So it was not... Someone else is talking shit about him.
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Yeah.
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And it's someone who cares about Twitter reach and someone who,
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um, is on his side, I guess.
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Probably Fuentes, right?
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I, I'm s- I'm sure that some of those gripers are-
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Yeah.
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... are griping.
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They've got that, that gripers griping, I like it.
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Uh-huh.
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I, I, w- I...
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People have a hard time understanding, eh,
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y- you know, like, it's not that you can't think it, it's that you can't think it.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know? Like, I i- w- y- Alex, you can't do this.
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Well you can't while holding simultaneously these other beliefs that-
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Right.
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... directly c- like, you, you have to choose one or the other.
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Exactly.
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Your e- your beliefs are at an impasse here.
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You are at a crossroads.
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Yeah.
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That's where you are.
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And you're, you're very desperately trying to walk both roads.
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And you can't.
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And it's not going to work.
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It sounds ridiculous.
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Um, and so, you know,
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I was thinking about this squawker.
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Okay.
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Who are these people squawking?
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Who had the show called Squawk Box?
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I don't know.
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Did anybody? Did I just make up that show in my head?
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It, it's vaguely familiar.
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You know what? I believe that it is. I could be wrong, but I'm going to continue to believe that.
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Squawks was the name of the parrot in Donkey Kong Country.
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(laughs)
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Um...
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I love it.
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But I was trying to figure out, like, what, what's going on here?
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Mmm.
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And it turns out there's some Nazis that don't like Alex anymore.
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Sure, that'll happen.
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Owen gave me like a 10-minute breakdown of it and, and still said he wasn't entirely sure. So
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that's my answer
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to these people, 'cause I'll just see something come up on my feed with 200,000 views
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and it's a video, like yesterday I saw, and I click it. "Alex Jones, you know,
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won't stand up for our speech." And then I
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see in the video, "I've made a deal with Elon. He's paying me." And, uh,
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what else was it? And, and, "My bankruptcy's fake
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and none of this is real and they're not trying to shut down InfoWars and I won't stand up for these people."
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And one of them I know, there was t- two guys on the
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show, and the other one I've seen and know he's a
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fighter, MMA and stuff, I mean I've seen all of his stuff but don't really
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know much about him, because usually,
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you know, what he's saying i- i- it just gets old as about
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Jews all day, and I'm just like, "Oh, more Jew stuff. Let me move onto the next thing."
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And i- i- it's just, i- i- but I'm supposed to know everything about these people.
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And again, it's not about them. I'm not bringing these people up to get in a fight with them or anything.
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Feels like you are.
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I, I'm bringing it up about how crazy this is. A- a- and I do get Elon's point about...
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This new ear piece is itching.
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Is, is that that is,
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from my perspective, I'm not saying censored for it, it is negative when you read something and it's some
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weird in-fighting thing and you, you don't even really know what it is.
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So some
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shit is going on with people attacking Alex because he's not siding against Elon in the, uh, this schism-
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Yeah.
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... that's happening.
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Yeah.
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And so I was thinking about, like, what
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is he talking about? That MMA fighter
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guy is probably that really crazy MMA fighter guy that Alex has had on the show.
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Probably.
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Um, I don't know exactly. I was like, "Man, did Rogan turn on him?" That's not it.
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Can't be.
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No.
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He doesn't care enough.
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But then I remembered
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there was that weird video about Jamie Raskin.
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Sure.
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And-
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Did that guy turn on him?
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No.
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The fake guy that might not even be real?
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Greg Reese did.
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Reese turned!
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Yeah.
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Reese went rogue!
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Reese quit.
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Reese quit?
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Over Alex's vacation, Greg Reese, probably the only person on, uh,
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Alex's banned.video site that had any kind of views.
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Yeah.
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He would have, like, a million views sometimes-
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No shit?
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... on his pieces that he made.
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Reese's Piece?
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Yes. He didn't use that name-
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(laughs)
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... although he pitched it multiple times. Greg Reese quit.
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Yeah.
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He put on Twitter that he quit. Uh...
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Wow.
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And it's very clearly about Alex's support of Elon Musk, and
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very clearly, uh, he thinks Alex is a piece of shit.
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I mean, fair.
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Yeah.
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Fair across the board.
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Mm-hmm.
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Fair across the board.
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And
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I know from watching Greg Reese's stuff in the past-
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Yeah.
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... that he is
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very much an antisemitic kind of guy.
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Yeah.
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He has a lot of feelings about, uh, Jewish people.
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He does seem to.
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And so I think that some of this, almost all of this,
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probably is
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some kind of defense against something Greg Reese said-
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Yeah.
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... or some stream, uh, that he could've been on, or, or-
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Sure.
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... or even some kind of preemptive damage control
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about the kind of shit that Greg Reese is gonna be able to talk about-
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Right.
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... what kind of fraud Alex is.
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Right.
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Um, so I think that's really what's going on here. There is
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the general betrayal of Alex siding with Elon Musk over
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what should be
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his bi-nationalist position.
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Obvious... Yeah, I mean, obvious things to, uh, disagree about.
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And then there's the personal side of it, which is Greg Reese left and, uh, posted on Twitter about it.
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See, here's the thing about leaving. Uh,
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the problem with leaving InfoWars on an ideological argument
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is that it leaves open the question of all the things you didn't leave over.
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Right.
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You know? Like, what about this one was the straw that broke the camel's back?
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Mm-hmm.
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It's, it seems... It does, and it seems like it shouldn't be this one that did it.
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No, I actually disagree. I, I mean-
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You think it's this one specifically?
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Well, no. I mean, I think you could come up with an argument for a lot of things.
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Sure.
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But I think that if you are putting yourself... You know how
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Alex asked us to look through life through his eyes?
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I do believe that.
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I'm looking through life through Greg Reese's eyes.
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Sure.
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And I think that, uh, over the course of the time that he's been at InfoWars, there's probably a
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decent way to rationalize all kinds of bullshit about Alex.
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Sure.
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But the idea that they're coming to a fork in the road-
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Mm-hmm.
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... and he's choosing, uh, sorta to keep
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buddying up with the billionaire who's going against the nativist agenda.
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Sure.
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Like, I think that that would be a step too far if you're someone like Greg Reese.
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'Cause th- this can't be rationalized in terms of, like, Alex is a true believer-
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Yeah.
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... and all of the stuff that people say about him is,
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is just, you know, they just don't understand the concerns-
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Sure.
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... that he has.
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Sure. But then, but then it asks the question of, like, okay, so you couldn't leave Trump
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after he moved the embassy to Jerusalem or whatever? That's your thing, dude. You're that guy.
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Mm-hmm.
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Wild.
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Well...
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These people are wild to me.
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I think, um, yeah.
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We were younger then, that's true.
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It's true.
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Yeah.
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So Greg Reese left, um, and the internet doesn't really like, uh, the way that Alex is siding with, with Musk.
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Fair.
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Emergency broadcast.
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Emergency broadcast.
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So he rationalizes a little bit here about why he's getting into the, uh, this, the
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muck with these Nazis who were talking shit about him.
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The Greg Reese Nazis-
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Yeah.
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... that he hired.
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Yeah. (laughs)
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... I just, to me, I, uh, I've seen it so much. It's kinda like if I'm walkin' through the park
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and I see a big steamin' pile of dog shit.
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Greg Reese.
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I, I just kinda instantly decide not to look at it.
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Hire it.
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I just look at the sky or somethin'. I just kinda go by it.
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Now, if it's in my yard, I pick it up.
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And all of that stuff is dog shit to me. And, and, but then I
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kind of then think about the dog shit sometimes, and I think, "You know, could I help that dog shit?"
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(laughs)
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But see, I'm not he- I know I can't help you
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'cause you're into your superiority, into your weird mind fucks, into your weird mind boxes.
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I'm talking to people who are confused by all this and
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wonder what it is, and, and I'm not gonna spend a lot of time on this. Um,
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it's, it's... I make decisions like this. It's healthy to talk about this stuff occasionally, um,
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and then it'll also stimulate my haters
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to attack me even more from all sides.And that'll give the broadcast a boost,
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uh, which, you know, can always get bigger, you know. Uh, uh, not that it needs a boost, but
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needs one to beat the globalists. And so
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when I look at something and its overall positive in my algorithm, in my
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mind, that iterates so much knowledge, then I decide to go with it. B- B-
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Because I wanna have a real discussion here and spark a real debate across the political spectrum
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and throughout the knowledge base, and I, and I also
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want to... I'm kinda war gaming here on air today. I don't know if anyone's watching or will
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see any of this. I would imagine you would.
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Uh, he's very prolific when it comes to that, uh,
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my information.
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Kinda honing
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what I think, and again, I don't go off what I think off of what you think,
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um, though I do get good ideas from people that I see debating and just
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talking about things. But, but what I'm saying is at the end, I make my decision. I don't
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come up with my political, cultural, spiritual views
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off of what I think will be most popular with people. I absorb it
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and think about it and mull it
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and then kind of just stream of consciousness on air, talk about it for a few days, and then I decide
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to start boiling down
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what I think the essence of it is
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for a boil down. And, and, and most people know
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95% of the time, I don't even get into
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attacks or infighting or any of that stuff.
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Occasionally I do 'cause there's, there's times for it at key points
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when I think people
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are really needing the information.
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So this fully describes why Alex doesn't ever talk about us, but will take the time to
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whine about this shit on his day off.
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Engaging with Nazis about their complaint that Alex isn't Nazi enough is a big
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win for Alex's attention-farming operation. The two
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of them will bounce back and forth and feed off each other's
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algorithms, and at the end of the day, there really isn't that much of a
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meaningful disagreement and there's no
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real risk for Alex's business.Everybody wins.Everyone who is going to think Alex
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isn't enough of a Nazi is gonna get there eventually. That's built into the business model.
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He suffers a high turnover rate because
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people, weirdly, eh, about one-third of the people who gravitate towards, uh,
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his kind of content are Nazi types. They will hear the kinda dog whistles, uh, they're,
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they're attracted to in Alex's content and recognize that he's a dude yelling about how
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proud he is to be white, and they'll like that for a while.
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But eventually, a crisis point will hit and they'll be forced to recognize that Alex isn't hardcore enough.
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Oftentimes this will happen because
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Alex has a guest on his show like David Duke or Nick Fuentes. In the contrast between
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Alex and this more extreme figure, the audience will realize that
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Alex seems to be holding back, whereas this staunch racist is speaking
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freely. This has the result of them seeking out that harder stuff and leaving
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Alex behind, but they tend not to turn on Alex and hate him because they understand that they could have never
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been introduced to David Duke out of the
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gate and accepted what he's selling. They needed the incubation
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period that Alex provides, and they recognize that Alex serves that purpose for other
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budding white supremacists. It's a tense and
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uneasy arrangement, but it's one that both sides recognize works to their advantage.
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The white supremacists recruit and illustrate their principles by demanding Alex drop the
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act, and Alex gets to have someone to point to and say, "They're the real rac- racists. I'm cool. I'm good."
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When they fight, the feedback loop of this interaction plays out.
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Alex will lose some section of the audience to the hardcore
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shit, but he was gonna lose them eventually anyway.
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Plus, he's losing them to a side that
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plays into his interests. Fighting with them allows Alex to sanitize himself to
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new observers who just see him as the guy who's being attacked by Nazis and assume that he must be
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okay. He ignores us aggressively because engaging with us doesn't serve this same bottom
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line. He and the Nazis are engaged in a mutual dance with each other, whereas we're not
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playing.Right.Um, and so I think understanding that from the attention economy side of things
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and recognizing that he even understands-Yeah.... "This is
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why I'm doing this."Yeah."This is why
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I'm fighting with these Nazis-"Yeah."... is because it all works to my advantage."Yeah.
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Yeah. It's like, uh, it's like, uh, there's a butterfly.Mm-hmm.Uh, I think it might be the blue butterfly
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of somewhere, but it's caterpillars, right? They, uh,
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go into an ants farm, or an ants farm, like they call them farms on their own. They go in an ants, uh, uh, colony
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and they give off queen pheromones and all the ants feed them
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and then they, uh, and then they cocoon and then they leave the
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ants and then the, all the ants die 'cause they don't have a queen, et cetera. You know?Mm-hmm.Like,
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it feels a lot like that. Like, you have to, you have to get into your cocoon.
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All of the racists have to bring you fake
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lies, and then eventually you become your own racist butterfly.Mm-hmm.It's something
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like that.Sure.Yeah.And I think that, um,
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I, I, it remains to be seen because time is moving forward in a linear fashion, but-Tends to.... I think
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that, uh, I've, I've made the point that I think that Elon, uh, uh, miscalculated a tiny bit
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in terms of empowering these lunatic voices.Sure.Um, and
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the same with Trump. I think that they have made the fringe
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a little bit too relevant-Sure.... and, and given them a little bit, uh,
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outsized power. And I think that Alex in the past has been able to negotiate this dance
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with the, uh, much more fringe, extreme-Yeah.... aspects of his audience, and I don't, I don't
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know if there's a miscalibration here, but I think that he stands to lose, uh,
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more than he thinks-Yeah.... out of this dance.Yeah, I mean, it's a dangerous game to,
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to whip up the mob to, uh, to try and exploit for your own advantage and then
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you have to tamp down the mob again-Mm-hmm.... once it's gone, and
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mobs are notoriously fickle.Yeah, especially when the things you need to do
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to tamp down that mob are the things you promised you'd fight in-Right.... the
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previous-Right, right, right, right.... uh, thing.Yeah.So I, I don't know.
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Anyway, let's, uh, get a little bit of a break, little bit of a refresher here.Okay.Uh,
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Alex starts talking about his wordsmith abilities.Yeah, like so how he was describing how
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Greg Reese was into his own superiority shortly after describing about how great
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Western culture is and how superior being white is.Well, see, that's a conceptual
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thing.Oh, okay.Alex, when he, when he gets into his wordsmith
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territory-Okay.... it's more like, you know how he came up with, uh, ultra green?
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Remember that? (laughs) Remember that?Sure.
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Sure. (laughs) He didn't even come up with it's freedom of speech, not freedom of reach or whatever
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it is.No, he didn't come up with that.No.But he came up with ultra green.Okay.And now it's over. (laughs)
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My breakdown is on record so that they can help people at the time,
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and then as that breakdown ages, we will see if it's
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wrong or whether it's evergreen or whether it's ultra green. And my goal is to have everything I say and do be
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ultra green, a term I coined a few years ago,
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meaning it's, it's not perishable information
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that's wrong, and it's not just evergreen meaning it always has value, but that it's ultra
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green...... or infinity green is another term I thought to call it. But ever-
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ultra green, which seems better, but infinity green.
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Well, I guess infinity gr- green would be timeless.
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I hate you-
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There's certain truths that are totally timeless.
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... so much.
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All real truth is timeless. So
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I'm no longer gonna call it
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ultra green. It will henceforth, in my mind, be called,
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be called infinity green.
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(instrumental music plays) Infinity green.
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(instrumental music plays) So, so, so really,
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that's what this is all about. That is what it's all about.
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Is that what this is all about?
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Fuck you, ultra green.
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Is that what this is all about?
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(laughs) Yeah.
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I think a lot... I think, uh, you know, uh, Shakespeare coined a lot of words, and
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Alex has always remind me of Shakespeare-
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Mm-hmm.
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... in a- in, in many ways.
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So I think, uh, honestly,
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this is what it's all about.
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I do act- you know, it, it...
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You're,
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you're not wrong. (laughs)
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Self-indulgently
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sitting back and, and just jacking off. (laughs)
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Infinity green. Infinity green. That sounds like, "I'm the smartest man in the world." Infinity green.
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How can, how can I over exaggerate my importance-
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It's timeless.
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... even further?
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It's timeless.
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Ultra? No, no, no. Infinity.
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I exist outside of time, I'm so green.
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What a piece of shit.
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Wow.
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So, uh, Alex is just like... Uh, this whole thing is just him being mad that people are criticizing him.
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Uh, yeah. No, obviously.
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So,
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he, he talks a bit about that, and then I think he's trying to throw Owen under the bus.
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Fair.
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I'll be completely honest with you. I wasn't on X
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for the last six years. It was a year ago, Elon let me back on, uh, which was a
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sh- a smart move for everybody, and it's made it- not just me coming on, but everybody who did come back on-
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And I have an addictive personality.
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... they went to number one and dominant. Freedom is popular.
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But I also was on vacation last week, so I was only working, you know, a few hours a day.
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I couldn't help it I was working about four hours a day, but
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usually I work 15, 16, 17. And, and, and so I heard, Owen lost his blue check mark, and a bunch of other people.
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And then I, you know, called, and they're like, "Well, we're not sure what's going
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on yet." Owen got his blue check mark back.
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And then when I got back, I got back, uh, Thursday,
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uh, but then I, uh,
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started seeing stuff like, "Alex Jones isn't defending us.
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We got taken off X." And I'm like, "Wait, they're on X. Oh wait, their check marks."
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And then I would tune into what they said, they're like, "That
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son of a bitch is involved in it. He, he is all, he, he's all
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fake and he, he's doing it." And I'm like... So then I
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started, you know, talking to my crew about what's better on
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X, understanding it, and they go, "Well, a bunch of groups use sponsors that
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have bots that are hooked into their channel," and
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Elon's, you know... X is saying that, that... You know,
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they're taking the check mark away. Then I call Owen, he says, "Well, I'm not 100%
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sure, but I know a lot of it, let me do more research." Uh,
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and then today he says, "No, I'm ready to talk about it." And so that's the best I can do here is
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sit there and, you know, say,
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"Okay, here's Owen, he knows more than I do. He'll, he'll, he'll tell you what he thinks is going on."
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Wow, that's interesting. That's not a... That's a humble position for a man like Alex to have. (laughs)
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(laughs) I, I don't want any of this trouble, so let's just see... Uh, Owen knows more than me.
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Do you know what's fun? Okay, here's what I think is fun.
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Hm.
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Um, I think in, in... and I, I think I truly believe this, you could play that clip
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throughout any time period in humanity's history-
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Mm-hmm.
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... to any human being at any point in time, and they would say to you,
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"I don't understand those words, but that guy's a loser."
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Right.
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That is just the loser thing to do. I think even
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before... Uh, cavemen were scrawling on walls being like, "That guy's a loser." You know?
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And that guy's dodging.
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Yeah, totally.
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Like, you can just tell even if, uh, uh, even if you don't understand any of the concepts or anything-
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Yeah.
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... it's just like, "Well, he has the tone-
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No.
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... of someone who's avoiding."
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There are orangutans that are like, "Whoa, I don't wanna be around this guy."
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So Owen comes in, uh, to give his piece, and the consensus seems to be that now they're, uh,
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of the mind that Twitter is a curated site.
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Okay.
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And Owen is not
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really into this, and so I think Alex was hoping that he would just come on and explain things and be like,
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"Well, you know, you gotta consider all the sides of this."
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Right, right, right, right.
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Whereas Owen seems a little bit against it.
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Owen's supposed to be the robin here, and he is not doing it.
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Not really.
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Okay.
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It appears now that it's pretty fair
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to report that Twitter, or formally Twitter X, is now a curated news site, and
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I don't even think that's speculation. Elon Musk has virtually said so now
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in multiple posts, including the most recent post about de-boosting negativity. Now, that's obviously
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open for interpretation, but what it is is it's curation. And if you recall, Alex, back
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probably around 2017 or '18, Tim-
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Jim Cook when he-
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Back when-
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... he met with all the leaders of tech and said, "The
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same day they banned me, they made the decision to curate Alex Jones."
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Exactly, so this is the exact same word that we heard used before the mass censorship took place of you and
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And they later admitted that I was, uh... They, they later admitted that I was the beta test.
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Are we capable of learning-
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So, so maybe they were testing the algorithm on you. I mean, I'm just speculating, I'm not saying that.
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Well, I think it's... I think you're absolutely right, and I think that the
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reason people are concerned is were they using the H1B visa debate as kind of,
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uh, a test system to say, "Okay, can we snuff out per- people on a certain
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side of this debate or a certain side of this story? Can we use certain keywords
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that flag accounts that we can then basically do what is..." I mean,
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it's virtually censorship. I mean, I guess-
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Sure, sure, but when I called you-
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It's literally censorship.
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... to my phone tag this morning-
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Literally.
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... let's be clear, I had one vacation
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in the last year plus, about a year ago, and so I did go to Big Bend for f- six days,
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and then I came back for four days, and then I, I did go to Utah. Uh, my, uh,
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old friend from high school is successful and wealthy and he's got a private jet and a, and a cool cabin, and-
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What?
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... and I went with my-
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The fuck?
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... youngest daughter and folks with them for six days, and I did do that. So
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all these people that pissed off that I've not been, you know,
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sitting there knowing about, you know,
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dozens of accounts or whatever, and then I'm-
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I hear Laura Loomer is down, and I go, "Look, she's there," and I go... And I just kind of moved on
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from it. Then I heard it happened to you
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and you weren't sure, uh, but I just... And I'm not even here defending myself. This is just,
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just... Th- this is preposterous that I'm somehow involved.
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What? Okay, so we're at war. (laughs)
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I... Here's what I like about this.
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(laughs)
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Here's what I like about this. This, I
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think is great, and it's something that we should all learn from, b- most especially unions.
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Mm.
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Like, if you, if you remember unions, they were doing good, and then
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after they started doing good, eventually
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the top level of unions started coming back from their meetings with rich people being like,
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"He's really not that bad. He took me on a private jet. Now, let's see where unions are."
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Mm-hmm.
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It is, you gotta not be this guy.
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Right.
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Don't listen to this guy.
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Owen, Owen is the voice of someone who is not close enough to power to be fully intoxicated by it yet.
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Yep. Yeah.
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Like, Owen has the position that you kind of should have if you're, like, realizing you've made a mistake.
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Yeah.
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We have put too much of our eggs into this Elon Musk basket-
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Yep.
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... and he's doing the same shit that, uh, we complained about big tech doing.
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We were there.
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We should have do- we should have known, we should have seen this coming or whatever.
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Yeah.
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Alex is
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still refusing to really accept and integrate the position that Owen is coming in with.
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Yeah.
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He still wants to desperately hang on.
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No, no, I think, I think in the negotiations,
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they're coming from a place of honesty. I think we can negotiate with these guys.
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Mm-hmm.
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They're genuine people. Elon's gonna be a good guy.
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He does not get to destroy our union entirely. That would be crazy.
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Alex wants just to give the benefit of the doubt.
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It's about what's best for the company.
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And I think that Owen is, uh, not quite on that side.
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Yeah.
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And then he does something
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fucking hilarious.
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Okay.
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I've got major concerns, and, and I, and I think
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Elon needs to explain, uh, to people exactly what he means because
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y- again, for most people who are ignorant, you'd look at Elon
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Musk feed and say, "That is extremely negative,
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all the bad stuff he's posting." No, that's extremely positive.Uh, you know,
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it's like if you've got cockroaches, you learn
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about it, you get rid of them. So- so- so, what's your view on that?
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Well unfortunately, I think even if Elon Musk came out and made a statement or- or
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something was made transparent in the algorithms, it's- it's
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nobody's really gonna trust it anymore. And I think that that's the
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cat that's now been let out of the bag, that's the genie that's now been let out of the bottle
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in the last week, is now just nobody is gonna trust it, and people are looking at it as censorship. Now, I think
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curation is probably the more fair word to use, and they're gonna make this argument like they do with
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other big accounts that aren't verified, like
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Nick Fuentes, and they say, "Oh look, he can still
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get millions of views even though he's not verified and doesn't have
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premium, so censorship doesn't exist." Well, that's a
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little disingenuous, but here, Alex, let me give you an example specifically about the
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new policy when it comes to negativity, and this is according to X's own AI
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system. It says things like, "Being critical of FBI statements.
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Challenging official statements from authorities.
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Skepticism about official narratives." This is from X's own
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AI saying this. They've also said being affiliated or talking to,
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uh, other accounts, like maybe Alex Jones, could also deboost you.
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Um, so these are the kinds of things that have people extremely
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skeptical of what the future of X looks like. And I don't think it's a coincidence.
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Well- well let's slow down here. Let's slow down here. Uh, 'cause I didn't know about this you just told me.
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Did you ask Grok this, or is this an official statement? Or y- y- y- wha- what is, X is saying what?
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This is X's AI Grok. Yes, Grok.
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Oh, okay. And then you ask it what?
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What are examples of posts that could be considered negative and might limit reach on X?
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Yeah, I would see it... I meant to do this
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when I was on vacation but I got busy and didn't do it. Uh,
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I was sitting there with my buddy, Shayne Steiner, and he said, "Have you
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seen this?" He goes, "I just asked Grok," and he's a huge Elon Musk fan.
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He said, "Have you, have you seen this?" And- and- and
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he put in, "Show me Americans," and none of them were white.
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And then I actually have the screenshots,
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he sent them to me. I meant to do a report on it. I think I'll do one soon.
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Okay. (laughs) So this is so dumb. I love, I love the idea of like A- Alex being like, "Did you ask the robot?
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You ask the robot. This is the robot talking. You told, the robot told you that?" (laughs)
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(laughs) I do, I do, I do find it very fascinating just how much Alex defers to a robot.
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Yeah.
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That's crazy.
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"Oh shit, the robot said that?"
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"Oh, I can't argue with the robot." How can you not argue with the robot?
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"Did the robot tell you that, or is this, is this an official statement?"
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It's not real. (laughs)
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The robot, the robot speaks truth.
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(laughs)
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(laughs)
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The oracle cannot be denied. (laughs)
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"What are posts that could be considered negative?"
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A lot of shit that you're really worried about.
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The stuff we do.
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Yeah, sure.
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All of it? Us entirely?
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So now, I mean, having this, uh, the robot said this stuff.
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Having that ha- like, this should be a concern for Alex, and-
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The robot threatened their jobs, literally.
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And is trying to pull off white genocide.
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Absolutely.
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Americans, none of them are white.
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Same with the time.
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Apparently.
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Same, with the same time.
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So Alex should probably be really against this now.
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You sh- you cannot
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not understand what you're doing.
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Yeah, but Elon's pretty cool.
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(laughs)
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I think the statement Musk needs to b- to make now is,
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what is, what is the real goal here with X? What- what are you really trying to do with this app? Because
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clearly this- this idea that it was gonna be the free speech
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app and it was where anybody could go and report, I mean, those- those dreams are dead
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to most people that are following this story. That's
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just, that's just the reality of it, and I don't see it...
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Well, Oan- Owen, I- I- I normally agree with you, uh,
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but- but I really, I don't think we wanna throw the baby out with the bath water here just quite yek.
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Let's, uh, let's not throw Elon out with the bath water. Uh, (laughs) c'mon man.
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Wow.
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C'mon. You made a pretty compelling case and I really, I have no leg to stand on here, but come on.
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You know, uh, one I think I'm doing is securing my
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power, but what I'm actually doing is ensuring its decrease.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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And it's such a, like... (sighs) I don't want to say it's a
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misunderstanding, but it is. Like, of Alex's value.
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Yeah.
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Like what he believes his value to be.
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Yeah.
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Like, capitulating in this way, to power, to a billionaire, to the guy who owns this social media site-
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Yeah.
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... it works directly against
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what makes him him.
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Yeah.
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And, uh, it's very sad.
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I mean, yeah.
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Very sad to see.
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It is every single moment of Bill Gates, George Soros hate-
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Mm-hmm.
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... and all of that stuff, Humvee Uly, all of it, gone.
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I mean,
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yeah.
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Gone.
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Well, well it never was there.
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No.
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But it- it's so transparently not there-
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Yeah.
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... because of these actions and the way that Alex is carrying himself.
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Yeah. This is just, it's pathetic.
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Yeah, but Elon's pretty cool.
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I- I think we need to hear more and- and see this elaborated on
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'cause here's my deal. I notice that when Elon gets attacked, he- he
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hits back a lot harder. The left really attacked him, came after his family, poison
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shot hurt his brother, uh, and some of his crew. Uh, they took his son away
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from him, and they radicalized him for us. So, I think we're gonna catch more
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flies with honey than with vinegar.
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Uh, I am certainly concerned and I- and I am engaging and watching this. And, you know, I- I
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couldn't find the meat and potatoes of- of like the big
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solid thing with these other people, uh,
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because it was kind of hard to listen to them when every time I would see what they were saying,
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but they were attacking me too. It's just like, "What is this?" It's just like, you know, crazy.
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Yeah, there's no there there. C'mon, man. Elon's a, you know,
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I- I feel powerful 'cause of my proximity to him. Stop it. Stop making...
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He's not cool.
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He's pretty cool.
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No.
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Mm-hmm.
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No.
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Mm-hmm.
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I...
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Listen, I liked that we moved on from like, you know, that- that '80s
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jock culture in a dominant fashion.
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Right.
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People being bullied all the time.
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Mm-hmm.
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Whatever Back to the Future was about.
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Biff.
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The whole thing.
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Mm-hmm.
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I'm glad we've moved on from there. We haven't moved on better. We haven't moved on better.
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Nah.
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We've just moved on.
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There's something, there's something to that. Um,
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but I- I just think that, uh, another thing that's pathetic about Alex here-
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Yeah.
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... is this like,
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"We're gonna get more flies with honey than vinegar. Don't be mad at Musk, he'll hit back really hard."
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Come on.
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"He's reactive."
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I, if you- if you fight too hard, we're gonna lose ground.
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When Alex says, e- earlier, "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water,"
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I heard, "Don't throw Elon out with the bath water."
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Yeah. Yep, 100%.
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I didn't realize how much he is, uh, like conceiving of this guy as a reactive baby.
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Yeah.
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Like he's just gonna hit back. He's just gonna act up more if we're mean.
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Right. Right.
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Shush, placate him. Placate him.
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Placate the god of thunder so we don't get...
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(laughs)
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We need a good harvest this year.
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Right.
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Now's not the time.
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And I was thinking to myself, like this guy's gotta make some money off Twitter, right?
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He's got to.
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But Alex has clearly been like, "I don't make anything."
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He has to make some money off of it.
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Oh yeah, he makes a whole bunch of money.
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He better make a whole bunch of money.
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I said earlier, and I was thinking about it after
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I went to break, I don't get any money from Elon Musk. Well, that's not true. Um,
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we get like $25,000 a month on average.
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(laughs)
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And 94%, last time I checked it, was subscribers. So I actually
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get a couple thousand dollars a month from Elon Musk.
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And I have not done much for the subscribers. They just,
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there's a subscriber function so everybody's doing, a lot of people doing it. I'm very thankful.
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I- I see it as d- a donation. I tend to have this thing where I
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don't usually do subscriber stuff and I'm just all about getting it out to everybody.
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But I really should do stuff with the subscribers
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and I really should build that out. And
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I just already do so much media that I just haven't habituated doing it, and it's
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one of my major failings. Like anything, I'm a hard worker, but doing something
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new, it- it's a- it's a- it's a- it's...
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I- I, in fact, I'm gonna shoot a subscriber video today.... I'm gonna start doing it every day, 'cause
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that's, that's, that's, you know, money that goes in to help keep us on the air.
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So, that's weird. Um,
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I don't know. I mean, $25,000 is, uh, a month, is not nothing.
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It's not nothing.
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No. (laughs)
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No.
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Um-
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It shouldn't be enough to kowtow to Elon Musk for Alex.
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Uh, no, and I don't think it is, but I think he likes it.
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I think he does like it.
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Um, I think that there's something very
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funny about being like, "I said I didn't get any money from Elon
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Musk, but here's a bunch of money," and then, "Uh, I'm gonna make more subscriber content."
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Owen, Owen, I get what you're talking about, but don't throw the $25,000 a month out with the bathwater.
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Mm-hmm.
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I get your ideological points, but I have a financial incentive.
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Yeah, I mean, I think, I think a lot of people in Alex's audience would be, uh, would not
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take it so trivially, the idea of $25,000 a month.
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Be very important.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's, uh, this is a big, big, uh, chunk of change.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, um, there's, there's a bit going on that is leading to this petty, uh, emergency broadcast.
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Yeah.
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There's obviously the tension that Alex has with part of his base, uh, that comes from him siding with Elon-
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Yeah.
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... uh, as opposed to siding with the people who want to throw all non-white people out of the country.
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Problem.
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So, there's that, and then also there's the specificness of the Greg Reiss problem.
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Sure.
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Um, there's some other people who Alex probably thought liked him more than they do who talk shit.
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Sure.
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There's some of the Nick Fuentes fans, um, some of those folks. And apparently-
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Yeah.
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... one of the criticisms that has stuck in Alex's craw-
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Mm-hmm.
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... that someone has made is that he didn't
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think those terrorist attacks on New Year's Day were fake enough. (laughs)
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Look, I'm already one of the biggest media people in the world, despite all the censorship and control.
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So, it's, it's, it's,
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it's this newest attack
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by talk show hosts and people that think it's gonna give them a bigger mark-
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market share, or they're jealous they're being paid to do it, I don't know, uh,
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to go, "Jones is sold out to Elon. Jones is, you know,
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on the payroll," and all this stuff, and then they just freak out when anything happens or goes on.
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And,
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I, I mean, this week, it was really informative, uh,
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for me to understand how sick people have gotten. And I'm sad for them is why I'm talking about it.
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Very well-known people that I've been friends with and liked for decades, uh,
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I'm not even gonna give it attention and say their
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name, just constantly say things about me that aren't true. Very insulting, very mean.
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Uh, and they said, "Look, Alex is
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not saying that the terror attacks or the, the attacks in Vegas and
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New Orleans
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were inside jobs."
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You know, "He's," you know, "he's either
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lying or he's dumb," or something like that. I'm just like, wha-
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I, I said the, the, when I first w- woke up in the morning that I thought it was a false flag.
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And I did like 10 videos-
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Wow.
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... that morning, and they found one video-
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Wow.
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... where I didn't say that.
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What. Is. Happening?
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A police tip I got.
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What. Is. Happening?
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And now I'm sold out. I mean, no, you sold out against the truth. You lied. You
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lied. Everybody saw you lie. Shame on you. We'll be right back.
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He's angry. He's pretty mad.
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I mean, wow.
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I, I said it was fake from the minute I woke up!
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(laughs)
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I... I don't even know.
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I think that there's such an interesting purity test that Alex feels like he's failing.
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Yeah.
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And he's getting it a little wrong. Uh,
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but it is actually probably right within the media spaces that, that he swims in.
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Yeah.
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Like, he probably is vulnerable to the idea that he didn't say it was fake enough or soon enough.
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Yeah.
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That's sad.
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That is
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fucked the fuck up.
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But that's what happens when attention, engagement, and reach are the only currency that you really value.
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Yeah.
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That's-
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Man, selling out used to be like, oh,
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you were starving so you allowed them to use your song on a car commercial.
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Mm-hmm.
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Now, we're in a whole different super sphere of sell-out.
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Used to be respectable.
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There, I, I, man, I wish I could sell out the way they used to. Now, it's fucking-
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Back in the day, selling out meant something.
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It, it meant... It didn't. That's the thing that we're finding out now. It
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didn't mean anything. Now, it means something.
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Yeah.
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Selling out now, bull.
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It leaves you like this.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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Doing this on your day off.
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Or like, you know, like I can't stop thinking about My Favorite Murderer, just the way that they
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had this whole, like, we're here for women thing going, and now they have this whole, like,
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we get paid by Amazon to trick you into buying trash.
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Hmm.
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Like, it's crazy.
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Yeah.
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It's crazy.
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Well.
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Well.
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What are you gonna do?
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What are you gonna do?
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We got one last clip.
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All right.
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And, uh,
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it's 'cause I turned off the special report.
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It's fine.
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'Cause I got tired of him rationalizing-
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(laughs)
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It's-
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... uh, uh, uh,
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liking of Elon Musk still.
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It's a lot of that.
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I look at results.
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And it's important that I not defend myself. That doesn't matter.
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It's important I defend the truth. And...
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this is troubling,
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what I'm seeing from X.
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And
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it's been hard to believe it's been this good for two-and-a-half years.
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And who knows what pressure's going on behind the
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scenes? I don't know. I'm not defending any of it, 'cause I don't know exactly what's happening yet. And,
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but you better believe
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that, as
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things get worse, if they do, I will get more intense about covering it as I know more.
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Uh, but people lying about me
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and saying that I'm doing all these things, and that I'm this thing, it, it, it's not helping
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your cause,
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um, of just being drama queens and you're the only good people out there and everybody else is a fraud.
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So, it's key to understand that Alex talking like this is him supporting Musk. If
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Jack had posted that he was gonna algorithmically down rate negativity, Alex's response wouldn't be,
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"Hey, I don't know all the details, but I'm gonna
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err on the side of giving the benefit of the doubt, and you all are sowing division by being mean to me." The
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giving the benefit of the doubt is the act of support, and it's really
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pathetic how personally Alex is taking all of this. Like, b- back-to-back, he's saying like, "Oh, you know,
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uh, you can trust that once I have all the information, I'll be talking more about this." At th- uh,
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b- just before this, he was yelling about how people said that he didn't
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call something a false flag quick enough.
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Yep.
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Like, you don't need to have all the information.
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Nope.
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You and your default, the default Alex Jones, uh, is reactive. It is being like,
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"This is shadow banning and rah, no, this is, uh, intolerance-"
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Yes.
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"... against blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They're trying to censor. And even if
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you don't like the Nazis, then you still need to support them-"
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Exactly.
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"... because of free speech absolute, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."
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Yes.
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That's the... The fact that he's not engaging with this like that, the fact that he's-
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Yeah.
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... acting with kid gloves and being like, "We'll see when more details emerge."
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Yeah.
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That's support.
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Yeah.
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The trade... I, I mean, again, like,
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the trade-off for being that guy is everybody thinks you're stupid, but you get to be that guy.
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Yeah.
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You don't have to be burdened with people having complicated questions about things. You get to go,
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"Fuck you, we have to do this thing," or, "We don't have to do this thing." You don't have to
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think. That's the one, one benefit.
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Yeah.
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It's a pretty big one.
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Yeah, and Alex has enjoyed that, uh, bit, uh, a lot of the time.
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It got him to where he is today.
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And it's discordant.
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Yeah.
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Um, I think that it's very obvious to anyone who takes in a fair amount of his content-
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Yeah.
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... to, like, see clearly that, even though
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he's trying to play half-measure games, he's trying to equivocate,
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this is him, like, very deeply supporting Elon Musk and being very unwilling-
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Yeah.
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... to join in, even with Owen's
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pretty, uh, like, non-impactful criticism.
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Yeah.
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Like,
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th- I, I, I think this is just sad.
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I mean, I, I,
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like if, if we go back
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and we, uh, do, uh, The Dark Knight, right? And Michael Caine is telling, doing the whole speech
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about, uh, whatever, and he just ends it with, like,
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"Some men just watched Alex Jones's entire career," I'd be like, yeah, that also works.
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Mm-hmm.
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That means exactly the same thing.
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Um.
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Yup.
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And I think that, um, I think that Greg Reese leaving and possibly being hostile to Alex is a loss.
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Like, a lot of these-
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Oddly enough.
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... other people, uh, like, are not that important.
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Yeah.
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Like, John Bound leaving, I think he probably knows where a lot of bodies are buried-
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Sure.
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... because he's been there forever.
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Yeah.
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But his quality of work is not good, and he doesn't have much of an audience.
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Right.
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Greg Reese, through those reports, like, he did build up his own thing.
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He developed his own audience-
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Yeah.
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... that he can-
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Mm-hmm.
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... take with him, somewhat.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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There will be people that definitely side with him, even probably more than David Knight.
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Yeah, I don't think David Knight really had his own thing. I think-
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He had something.
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I thought Dave... I thought Knight was always, like, a nice
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smokescreen kind of guy, a guy to point to as like... Like, your Combs, on Hannity and Colmes kind of thing.
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Well-
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But not quite. You, you know what I mean.
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Yeah. He wa-
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Yeah.
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He was more of a, like, a... People have different tastes-
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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... in the kind of way they want to consume this media, and he's more calm and, uh-
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Yeah.
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... palatable to people who don't want to be screamed at.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. More professorial in his-
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Yeah.
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... in his-
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But he, uh, he had a thing, but it wasn't... I don't think it was on the level
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of, like... People actually like Greg Reese.
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Why?
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They're really into him.
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Why?
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And so I think that this could be pretty bad for Alex in terms of staff. Like, he could lose Harrison easily.
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Yeah.
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And probably not
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be as at a disadvantage as, as Reese.
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I doubt people would notice.
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Someone would.
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Someone would.
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Very-
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You would.
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... very racist people and me would.
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And you and 16 huge
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Stormfront, uh, moderators-
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Yeah. Yeah.
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... would know. (laughs)
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And that's about it.
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And that's about it.
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So anyway, uh, shit's bad.
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(laughs) Sh- sh- it-
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2025's starting off rough for Alex.
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Oh, no. It started off great, defending your entire existence in order to
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give it all up to lick the boot of Elon Musk.
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Well, what's really funny is he spent, like, the last
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years with these fake attacks that he's defending himself from, of-
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Yeah.
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... of the left, like all the COVID vaccine stuff.
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Yeah.
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And Trump's gonna get killed. And, you know, all of these fake things-
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Yeah.
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... uh, that he insisted this other force was doing.
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Right.
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And now, you have
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sort of a chickens roosting situation.
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Sure.
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You have the inevitable consequence of this alliance.
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Yeah.
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Uh, between racists and, uh,
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Musk.
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You know, th-
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And I, I think that it's funny that it is real.
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Yeah.
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It's a, it's a real danger to him in a way that
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the COVID vaccine never was.
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Yeah. I mean, shadowboxing does technically make you a better shadowboxer.
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Mm-hmm.
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Not necessarily a better "what happens if I get punched in the mouth" boxer.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He's got some really difficult territory to, uh, try and na- uh, navigate.
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Yeah.
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And I'm excited for him. Good luck.
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Good luck!
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Don't think-
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You're already doing a great job, I'll tell you what.
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Killing it.
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Keep on the path.
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Yeah.
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(laughs)
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And if I could say anything, be a little more petty.
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Faster.
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Yeah.
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Faster.
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Make it more about yourself.
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(laughs) Yup, yup.
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And, uh, sound, uh, a little more whiny.
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One note, more. (laughs)
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Yeah. So anyway, we'll be back, uh, with another episode. But until then, we have a website.
Unknown Speaker (01:40:29.694)
Indeed we do. It's knowledgefight.com.
Unknown Speaker (01:40:31.175)
Yep. Uh, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious professor.
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Woo, yeah. Woo, yeah, woo.
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And now, here comes w- the sex robot.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.
Unknown Speaker (01:40:44.234)
Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
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I love you.
