Transcript/990: Tucker, The Man And His Omissions

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Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple of dudes who like to sit around

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and worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan.

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Jor-dan.

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Quick question for you.

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'Sup?

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What's your bright spot today, buddy?

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My bright spot today is also a tragedy.

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Oh, no!

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Um, and that is that, uh, there's now

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a White Castle... Not White Castle. God, what the hell? Uh, there's a Jack in the Box in Chicago.

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I did not know that!

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There hadn't been-

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No, for your entire life.

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Right.

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Yes.

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Because every time we would go on the road-

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Yep.

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... I'd get pretty excited if there was a Jack in the Box-

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Yep.

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... 'cause I wanna get their terrible tacos.

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Really bad.

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They're so bad.

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Yeah.

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But they're, oh, they're just-

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They're, they're in your wheelhouse for some reason.

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Uh, probably memories of drunk nights and-

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Possible.

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... you know, that, that kinda stuff.

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Phil Hartman and his sandwiches and news radio.

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So there is a Jack in the Box-

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Mm-hmm.

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... in Chicago now, and I ordered some.

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Yeah?

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It was terrible.

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It was terrible?

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It was great. Terrible but great.

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Terrible but great.

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Yeah.

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How, let me ask you this question.

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Mm-hmm.

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As far as, is it a good Jack in box? Like, compared to other Jack in the Box?

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Yeah,

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it was fine. Yeah.

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That's-

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It's fine.

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That, I, that, that doesn't feel like a rating.

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I didn't even know how, I don't know how to rate it.

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I think that's kind of maybe the bigger issue.

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I think, I think one of the problems is that the tacos are like, by definition really bad.

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Right.

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So like (laughs) -

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Right, right, right, right.

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... if you're going in with that as the standard, if it was

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better in quality-

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Yeah.

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... it would be a bad Jack in box.

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Yes.

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So I don't know. It, it, it, it got me where I needed to go-

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Interesting.

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... which was feeling like shit. (laughs)

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Interesting. It's paradoxical fast food.

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Yeah.

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Fascinating.

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So anyways, that's a tragedy.

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Yeah.

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What's your bright spot?

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Uh, my bright spot, I'm gonna have to go ahead and go with, uh, uh, zip, uh, because our mailbag-

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Whoa.

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... is overflowing.

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It doth overflow.

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It is overflowing.

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Fair amount of candy.

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Yup. Yup.

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Thank you, Al.

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Absolutely. Uh, Amy, thank you for the, uh, ray gun, uh-

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The socks?

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... apparel? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Got some socks.

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I think that's the thing I-

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Got some stuff for your dogs.

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We got some dog stuff, cat stuff.

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Mm-hmm.

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I mean, it was, it's a, it's a delight. It's a demon feast, if you will.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Um, and Al has reinforced, uh, my perception-

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Yes.

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... that is somewhat controversial. Although some people have jumped on board with it, and that is, uh, uh,

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affirming that the European mind, uh-

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(laughs)

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... is very interested in marshmallows.

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It's gummy-based, yeah.

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Not even gummy-based.

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No, no, no. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Marshmallow and gummy are, uh, two different, uh-

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True.

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... paths down a similar road.

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(laughs)

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They both are chewy-

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They're both-

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... but they are not the same.

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They're both made of horse parts.

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That's

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historically true.

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Mm-hmm.

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I think.

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Maybe.

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Hooves.

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I may have made that up.

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Hooves.

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It's either glue or marshmallows or both.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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What is, what is a marshmallow but a tasty glue?

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Is it, is it marrow? Is it like bone marrow that makes up the, is it-

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Let's say that it is.

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I, why not? Marsh marrow, marsh marrow.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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You could use marshmallows as an adhesive, if you need it.

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I th- well, I mean, Rice Krispie treats are essentially that.

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That's just cereal with adhesive.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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(laughs)

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Cracked this case.

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(laughs)

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In record time.

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That's just cereal with adhesive.

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Yeah.

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(laughs) Oh, I like it.

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So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.

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Oh, okay.

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And, um, we are gonna talk about something off the beaten path a little bit.

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Mm.

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'Cause Alex has been out of studio.

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Mm-hmm.

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So we'll, uh, get down to business on that. But

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before we do, let's take a little moment and say hello to some new wonks.

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I think that's a great idea.

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So first, pie is better than cake! Thank you so much. You're now a Policy Wonk.

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I'm a Policy Wonk. Hmm.

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Fine.

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Freak Warf.

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I don't care.

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Paul F. Tompkins.

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Here's my hot take.

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What's that?

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I don't care.

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Ah.

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I've spent hours drunkenly arguing with people about whether a hot dog's a sandwich.

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Mm-hmm.

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And now that I'm 40-

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Yeah.

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... I have come to a point where

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I don't give a fuck. Pie and cake are both good, they're fine.

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Yeah.

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A hot dog's a sandwich and it's not. I don't give a shit.

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Yeah.

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Let's not do this anymore.

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I've never participated in a hot dog conversation. Uh, I've never taken a cake v. pie stance.

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Mm-hmm.

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Whenever people were like, "Oh, it's blue," or silver and gold or whatever, I was like, "I don't know."

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You're talking about the dress.

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Yeah, yeah. I don't know.

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Mm-hmm.

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It could be anything.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Hot dog, uh, uh, you think it's a sandwich?

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I don't even know what a sandwich is really, whenever I stop to consider it.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, so.

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That's, that's the point.

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I mean, I, I don't know. I like a chicken sandwich. Is that a hot dog?

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Yep.

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Fair enough.

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Uh, next, Ila, you're just a few days

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old but now you're a wonk. We love you. Thank you so much. You're now a Policy Wonk.

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I'm a Policy Wonk. Thank you very much.

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Thank you. Uh, next, Alex Jones can suck a wet fart. Thank you so much. You're now a Policy Wonk.

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I'm a Policy Wonk. Thank you very much.

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Thank you. Uh, and Eli, please stop listening to Knowledge Fight in the

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bathroom and go catch the bus. Love, your dad. Thank you so much. You're now a Policy Wonk.

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I'm a Policy Wonk. Thank you very much.

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Thank you. Um, so Jordan, today, uh, like I said, uh, Alex has been out of studio, and

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I wasn't in the mood to talk about what

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the underlings who are wearing their dad's ill-fitting suit were up to.

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Sure.

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So I decided to go afield for today's episode.

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Yeah.

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I've said in the past that I wanna cover Tucker Carlson more.

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Ugh.

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And I should be clear with folks that that is something that's gonna happen.

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God dammit.

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I'm not gonna leave Alex behind, but

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he's severely lacking in inspiration

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these days, and Tucker is rising into an insane position in the media landscape.

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Hm.

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He's simultaneously looked at as a mainstream adjacent figure who had a number

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one news show on cable in the not too distant past, and

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he's a person who can do public interviews about how he was attacked by a literal demon-

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Mm.

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... and somehow this doesn't ruin his career.

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Hm.

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One of the things that gives Alex, uh, uh, the power, uh, the,

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the power to the content that he has, it's the ability to take the

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image of being serious and funneling that towards extreme ideas.

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He pretends to be an intrepid investigator who just

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covers what he can prove based on the secret documents and deep level sources that he has.

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He takes that credibility that the character he's created implies, then he uses that to

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sell the audience white identity ideology and extreme right wing Christian nationalism as a whole

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under the pretense of that's what this intrepidive investigator who only reports on the facts is doing.

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If the facts are, uh, the devil's fucking with you, then the

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devil's fucking with you. It's just the facts, man.

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Right. He's using the credibility of the fake character-

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Got it.

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... to get past the part, uh, where you would demand evidence that the devil is fucking with you.

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Sure, sure. Well...

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Tucker is engaged in a similar pivot, where he's built up the credibility of the character of a

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newsman broadcasting a respectable show on cable TV

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which he's now deploying to sell similar religious messaging.

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There's an insidiousness to this whole

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project, because folks like Tucker and Alex only operate like this because they

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know that they couldn't sell their message any other way.

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If on day one at Fox News Tucker got on air and said that he was attacked by a

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demon and that the presidential election was a fight between a benevolent father figure and the literal

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devil, he would've never been given the opportunity to cultivate the character

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of a respectable newsman that he's now exploiting.

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People would've seen through it and they rightly would've ignored him and he would've been cast aside.

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But now he's become too much of a problem because of the fake persona that he's built up

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that he can get away with this kinda shit.

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Right.

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The moment we're in right now is very interesting, because it's one where

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it seems like Tucker doesn't see any benefit in maintaining the old façade that he had.

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There's a real smoke-'em-if-you-got-'em

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kind of feeling around his recent career, and I think that that's a bad portent. And

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I think it's something, you know, worth not glossing over.

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Hm.

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Anyway, today we're, uh, gonna talk

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about an interview that Tucker recently did on an outlet called Redacted News.

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Oh my God.

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Redacted.

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They...Fine.

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It's all just-

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Fine.

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It's all just one big (beep) .

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Fine.

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Episodes redacted.

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How dare they-

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Yeah.

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... call it that.

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Yeah.

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But fine.

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It's just one big black bar over the screen.

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Right? What are we doing?

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Yep.

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That is, that sounds like a name that they thought was so cool.

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Yeah.

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And are still like, "Why are you, why, why do you think our name is dumb?"

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It is, it's cool in that like, um...

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If you were in eighth grade.

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Right. The way that, uh, you-

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The Stussi Essence. (laughs)

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The way that you've named bands, you know.

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Yes. Yeah, very much.

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Uh,

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just, oh, this, this'll get attention.

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The Shitting Ponies.

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This'll catch them.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, we start here with, uh, the host-

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Mm-hmm.

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... of Redacted News-

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Okay.

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... uh, joking around a little bit, uh, with Tucker.

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True.

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About how there was a rumor that Tucker might be press secretary.

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Oh, no!

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(laughs) Yeah.

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Well, I want to say congratulations, first of all, that, uh,

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President Trump has selected you as press secretary. Um, I was-

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(laughs)

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That's not funny!

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I was hit by that news last week.

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(laughs)

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And, uh, I mean, I woke up, I said, "What the hell?" And I, I, I immediately

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knew it was a joke. I mean, uh, not a joke, but I think... I don't know who started the

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rumor or who made a fake post about it.

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I

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don't know.

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Um, what was your morning like that morning? Because I texted you. I knew it was a

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joke right away. I mean, I texted you and I just said, "This is hilarious." But

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I'm sure people fell for it, right?

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Well, I was actually working that morning when it came out, I guess, because by the time

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I got to my phone, it was just overwhelming. You know, that's the, the last job you would want. I'm 55.

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You know, after 33 years in media, I don't want to sit in a room full of people from

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CBS News. You know what I mean? And take, have to

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host some party line. I, I love Trump, I voted for Trump, I did rallies for Trump.

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Adult men can speak for themselves, and

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I don't think anybody, at least any middle-aged

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man, I speak for the middle-aged man community, wants to read other people's

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talking points. I mean, you know, of course not.

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(laughs)

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And I definitely would not do that. I would not work... You know, most people haven't been in the

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briefing room in the White House. It's the most depressing, airless, sad,

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kind of just creepy. It smells like a

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Tim Walz's locker room, you know? It's just like naughty stuff is going on in there.

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(laughs) It's not funny.

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Impure thoughts have been had there. I just don't want to be in that environment at this age at all. But

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I would love to like go for a day and do like a guest

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gig or something just to like get my aggressions out. That would be fun. (laughs)

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Well, you got to do that, you got to do that quite a bit on this tour. I mean, going around-

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Yeah.

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... around the country, and even before that, like around the world. Um...

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He did lash out quite a bit on the tour.

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That's true.

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I'll give him credit for that.

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That's true.

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So Tucker is a crafty dude, and he knows

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damn well that the press secretary is a position that exists in the present day as a punching bag.

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That's not a position that anyone would accept unless they were willing to risk becoming a scapegoat.

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It would be unbecoming and a sign of desperation for someone in Tucker's position to accept a role like that.

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Absurd.

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You would need to think, like, "I need exposure this badly-"

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Yeah.

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... uh, "that I could become Sean Spicer or whatever."

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I think anybody named Spice Seanner is d- due for the job.

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Right.

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Done.

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Yeah. I think, I think you got to be, got to be pretty desperate, and Tucker's not quite there yet.

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No, no.

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This guy interviewing Tucker is Clayton Morris, one of the hosts of Redacted News.

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He and his wife were real estate folks, and, uh, he was a host on

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Fox & Friends for a bit, but weirdly, in 2019, they up and moved to Portugal.

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His wife claimed, quote, "I'm not one of those who rejects

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America. We had a good life there, but my husband and I have had a hard

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few years in our business, and this collective soul challenge

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forced us to question everything." This

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collective soul challenge doesn't involve the '90s grunge band Collective

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Soul. Instead, it's a reference to a barrage of lawsuits that Clayton had filed against him

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alleging fraudulent business practices.

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Sure. Sure, sure, sure, sure.

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So here's the basic sketch of these lawsuits.

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Yeah.

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It was alleged that Clayton organized the sale of properties in Indiana to folks living out of state

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with the understanding that the properties would be rehabbed and then rented

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out, and his business would take care of all of that process.

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Sure.

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These out-of-state parties were, in essence, investors in the purchase and

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flipping of these rental properties.

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The New York T- uh, Times describes the plan like this.

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Quote, "Their plan was to connect mom-and-pop investors with

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turnkey investment homes in Detroit; Indianapolis; Jacksonville, Florida; and several other cities.

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Their company, Morris Invest, would handle all the details,

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finding properties, overseeing renovations, hiring property managers to rent out the houses.

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All clients had to do was put up the cash and wait for their checks to arrive."

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Hmm.

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So this started to become a problem because investors started learning that these

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properties were not being renovated and-

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What?

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... in some cases, were sold without the full disclosure of their circumstances.

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Sure.

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For instance, one man bought a home that was destroyed in a fire, uh,

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days after the fire, and he was unaware of that detail.

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That is-

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That there had been a fire.

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Well...

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In the midst of this fallout, as lawsuits started piling up,

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Clayton and Morris Invest pointed the finger at a company called Ocean Point and its founder Bert Whalen.

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Clayton, uh, would, uh, have you know that, uh, he's just a victim in this whole thing, too.

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Sure.

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He was, uh, he was just re- referring customers to Ocean Point. W- he w- he was just a middleman. Come on, man.

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Sure. No big deal.

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Cool?

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So Whelan's lawyer said that Clayton got $6,500 as a referral fee for each sale.

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And in Indianapolis alone, that would involve 700 homes, racking up a cool $4.5 million.

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Holy shit.

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Even if you really believe that he's just this middleman guy who's-

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Goddamn. Crushing it, man.

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Yeah. So I'm not sure the extent to which Clayton or Morris Invest knew what was up

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and how much they were just happy to feed customers into a fraud racket and collect a fee, but I do

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know that in 2022, Whalen admitted to federal

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charges involving conspiracy to commit wire fraud. Part of his confession involved admitting

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that he had defrauded the investors, going so far as to create

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fake leases to trick them into thinking that their properties were occupied by tenants,

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when in reality, they were often nowhere near

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ready to be rented, or in some cases, were vacant lots. He also commingled some rent payments from

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actually occupied properties and, quote,

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"selected which investors would be paid from the

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pool of funds in order to silence investors who voiced concerns

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and evade detection of the fraud." So essentially,

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Bert Whalen and Ocean Point were running a

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real estate fraud pyramid scheme, and whether or not Clayton Morris

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was involved in it directly, he traded in his fame and Fox News celebrity status to

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direct investors to work with, uh, Whalen.

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The New York Times talked to a guy named Brian Freeman, who lost $40,000 in the scam, who describes Clayton

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like this. Quote, "He comes across as this nice, likable family guy.

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He's famous, and I thought, 'He's not gonna ruin his entire reputation.' Obviously, in

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hindsight, I feel like such an idiot."

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It's tough to imagine that Clayton wouldn't have uncovered this very clear

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scam if he'd exercised due diligence in vetting who he was working with. So I

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guess he was either complicit in this real estate scam or he was so

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uninterested in what he was profiting off selling to people

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that he was duped into being the front man for an obvious scam.

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Hmm.

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Either way, I can see how this would be a, quote, "collective soul challenge" for him and his wife

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that would lead them to moving to Portugal. (laughs)

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Yeah. Yep. I think that's the wise move there.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, now I guess he does this show called Redacted

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News where he talks about the real important issues that the

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man won't cover, like whatever was popular on right-wing dipshit Twitter that

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day, and, uh, Tucker Carlson and, uh, him are bros, 'cause they both used to work at Fox News.

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Yeah. I, I'm gonna have to go and say that, uh,

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you know, I don't, while I don't admire the guy, I think he's made the right moves in his life.

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He's made a lot of money.

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He's made a shit ton of money, and he's faced no consequences for it, and now he lives in Portugal?

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah, that's the way to go. What?

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Hard to argue-

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Holy shit.

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Hard to argue with it unless you recognize the reality of all the people who were hurt. (laughs)

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Eh, you know, what are you gonna do?

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If they count, then this is not great.

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Then... You know, slum-lording, what are you gonna do? They just

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let Donald Sterling own the Clippers for like 60 years, so who knows?

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Ah.

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Huh?

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So, um, the two of these guys-

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Yeah.

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... they both worked at Fox News.

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Sure.

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And they're both friends with Trump, man.

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Psh. Obviously.

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You spent quite a bit of time, obviously, with the president-elect here in the last few months.Um,

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you know, I, I just, I hate to ask the obvious question,

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but, like, what was that like? What was that... I mean, so many people watching right now

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just can't even imagine being in a room with the President. They'd probably, you know, be a nervous,

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a nervous wreck. But you got to spend quite a bit of time with him. Uh, what was that like for you?

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Well, I mean, how many times have you, Clayton Morris, interviewed Donald Trump? Like, a hundred?

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So, no. It's... I mean, you know Trump well.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if the viewers know that you do, but

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I know that you do, and it's... He's exactly the same

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in person as he is, as you well know, and

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as he is in private, which is kind of the

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great thing about him. I mean, he's more, you know, he's more colorful (laughs) in private.

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Um,

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y- you know, he's

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more... A little freer in what he'll say. But in general, he's the same guy.

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Like, "Grab 'em by the pussy."

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He's not like,

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you know, some televangelist who gets off the

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stage and, you know, and

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is a totally different person. He's not like that at all. He's more like-

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Like saying, "Grab 'em by the pussy."

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... "Trump is... I've met Trump in a million

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different, in a lot of different countries, and he's always the same

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guy." So he's great. I mean he's like the most entertaining, the most interesting.

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He has perceptions that you wouldn't kind of come to by yourself.

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He's kinda crazy. So it's cool to learn that these guys are friends with the

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future president, you know? They're, they're both such cool

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dudes. Like, one of them was attacked by a demon, and one was the

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middleman witting or unwitting in an elaborate real estate fraud scheme. Th- these are the kind of

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people you want the president hanging out with.

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What I'm curious about in terms of what Tucker just said, though, is that he,

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he said that he's been with Trump in a bunch of different

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countries and he's always the same. What does that mean? (laughs)

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I have no idea.

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(laughs) I'm very curious.

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Utterly confused.

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Why, why... A bunch of different countries?

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And why would you want them to be the same?

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Uh-huh.

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Yeah, that makes even less sense.

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I do think that there's some value in being like

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maybe he's a little bit more subdued in public

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than he is at his rallies and stuff. But Tucker went the other direction.

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Yeah.

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He's more, uh, gregarious and colorful in person. That scares me.

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Okay.

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That's scare- that's a scary idea.

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You know what? I, I hadn't considered this until you said

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he's the future president, 'cause no he's not. He's the past president

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who has just taken the job back, right? Uh, uh, what did they call Grover Cleveland

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while he was Supreme Court Justicing and the past and future president?

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Hmm.

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Like, what was he... What were they calling him at the time?

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Grover.

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That's crazy.

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Mm-hmm.

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That is a weird collection of jobs to have all at the same time.

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And a Muppet.

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Ah.

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He was a great piano player, though.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, not only do these guys like Trump.

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Sure.

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They also love... Hold on.

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Mike Tyson? What?

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Yeah. Sure.

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He's not,

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like, a

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genius in a conventional sense, but he has a- an intuitive sense that's honestly

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brilliant. I mean, you don't get to be president by accident, especially the way that he did it.

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Woodrow Wilson.

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No, he's an amazing person, and I don't think anybody who's spent time with... And he's, and he's a very

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warm person, as you know. He's a very... He's a legit-

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Right.

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... warm guy.

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And, um, so no, I really enjoyed it. I mean, I... Friday night I watched the Tyson fight. I know Tyson.

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Trump knows Tyson really well, really loves Tyson as a person. He said he had 17 Tyson fights

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at his, at his casinos.

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Wow.

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So he's known Tyson for 40 years and really

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likes him as a person, and I, I know Mike pretty well and I like him a lot as a person, too. So we,

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you know, just sat

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and watched the fights and ate ice cream sundaes, and it was, like, fun. Like, he's just a... He's a good guy.

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Let's not forget that Mike Tyson served about three years in prison after he was convicted of rape.

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I know that folks like Tucker aren't particularly interested in real

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sex criminals, but maybe Tucker should be mad that

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Mike Tyson got a tattoo of Mao while he was in jail.

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(laughs) This dude loves Mao.

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What are you gonna do?

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Shouldn't this be an issue for Tucker?

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He's not a conventional genius, though.

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No, that was about Trump.

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He's a... Well-

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Trump's not the conventional genius.

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... but Mike Tyson isn't a conventional genius, either.

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That's true.

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See? Same difference.

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"I lick the toad and then I talk to Mao."

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Tyson and Trump speak to each other through the heart and the mind.

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Ugh.

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Yeah.

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So they, they ate ice cream sundaes at, uh, the Tyson fight.

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Sure.

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Tucker and Trump.

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Yeah.

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And, uh, this, this leads into a little section where it seems to be like Tucker is amazed that

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Trump can eat like a goat. He can eat trash and it's totally fine. (laughs)

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You know, thinking of Tucker and Trump eating ice cream sundaes while a,

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an old man and a child fight each other-

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For pretends.

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... that doesn't make me angry at all.

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No.

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No. I have no desire to throw chairs through anything.

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Does it make you mad to know that Trump doesn't get, like, really bad diarrhea from eating fast food?

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That doesn't. I'm, I'm grateful to him, I guess.

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Well, you're about to hear a bit about it.

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Okay.

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There's so much swirling around him that's intense, and some... You know, some of it's very, very dark

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and eff- efforts to kill him, obviously. Uh,

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he never seems bothered by it, and I, and I don't really understand. And

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his physical stamina, I don't know if he's-

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He's a psycho!

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... a man... I'm, as I said, 55.

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If I ate, like, a Big Mac and then an ice cream sundae, which I love to do, by the way.Yes.First of all, I get

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really, really quick. Like, immediately. The next day I can't fit into my pants, and

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I'm totally out of energy and spacey and just... Bad food affects me and I think it affects all of us.

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It does not affect him. It's the weirdest thing you've ever seen.

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He'll like, you know, scarf a Big Mac and he's, like, totally

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on it. I, I don't know. He's got a different metabolism, just physiologically he's different.

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Trump can handle bad food. (laughs)

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Let me tell you something. Here's what you don't even know. Here's what you

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wish you know, but Tr- uh, Tucker is too scared to tell you

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this amount of Trump news, okay? Trump can wake up in the middle of the night and be, like, 345.

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Right.

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And it is every time 'cause of God.

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Doesn't it feel a bit-

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And he doesn't shit himself while he does it. (laughs)

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Yeah, doesn't it, doesn't it feel a little bit like some kind of just

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old archaic king worship? This idea of, like, he can eat the foods that

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you, make you dizzy and feel bad and he doesn't feel bad 'cause he's built different. He has a genetics

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that, (laughs) a difference to him. He doesn't have to wipe because he shits so clean.

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I mean, it is interesting that-

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Come on.

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... people who strongly deny evolution often behave worshiping towards the largest monkey.

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Hmm.

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Uh, the one who can bring them the most food, if you will.

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Yeah, and eat the bad food and not have-

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And, and... Oh, wow. He can eat the rotten fucking gazelle.

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Yeah.

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Sure.

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So this is, this is apparently a pretty big point for Tucker, though, the fact that Trump can eat bad stuff.

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Why are these people so fucking weird, man?

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It's very strange.

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Some people are just genetic anomalies.

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He's that.

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Mm-hmm.

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If you tri-... If I tried that. I'll speak for myself. If I tried that,

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you know, I, I would be in a diabetic coma. I mean, like, no sleep, constant travel, always performing,

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getting attacked from all sides, massive cortisone levels, stress levels.

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I, I just... And, and I'm not sucking up, by the way. I'm not

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like, you know, "Oh, Trump is perfect," or anything like that, but that's just, that's just

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true. Donald Trump is, like, not like

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you and me that way, at all.

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Oh, for sure. For sure. I can go on a health binge for a few weeks and feel great and then, uh,

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just have, you know, one or two off meals and I feel like Homer Simpson, like in just, like-

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(laughs) Totally.

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... short order. It's pretty,

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it's pretty remarkable.

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Totally.

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And then it's a slippery slope-

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I was about to say. Right.

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... and then I just wanna, I just wanna keep doing it, just keep eating more donuts. Um-

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Trump can eat those donuts and he's fine. He's fine. Not like you, you simple human.

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(laughs) You simple human, you'll gain weight.

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You know-

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And Trump will not. (laughs)

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You know what struck me? Uh, uh, I was thinking about this and I was just thinking, like,

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no good administrator

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has ever won a popularity contest,

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and yet the only people we put in charge win popularity contests.

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It's true.

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It's very strange.

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It is strange.

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It is very strange that this is what, uh, like,

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"Well, I don't want somebody who's, like, 'Oh, I can do paperwork quickly.'"

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Mm-hmm.

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"No, no, no, no, no. This man eats shit and doesn't shit!"

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Yeah, I don't know, like, how I would feel about-

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... breathless discussion of Biden's diet.

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Sure.

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You know, I, I don't-

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I do. I know how I would feel about it.

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W- I haven't been confronted with it, so I'm not sure, like, how I would respond.

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Fair.

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I think I'd probably feel similarly to this.

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Fair.

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Especially if it's like, "His diet's bad and he's so strong he could withstand it."

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Sure.

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Like, that, this just seems pathetic.

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Can he withstand being pushed out of a plane? No? Then we're all equal in the air.

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Right.

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(laughs)

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Huh.

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(laughs)

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Um, I, I also think, like, well, I mean if this is

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what we're doing, then just imagine how great he would be if he didn't eat all that shit.

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I mean, I-

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Right?

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I don't, I don't know what you want-

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Or maybe-

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... out of being proud of eating trash.

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But maybe he's so scary as, like, an entity

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that he needs to eat this trash or else his light would shine so bright-

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Okay.

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... that we just couldn't handle it.

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I ask you-

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It'd be a danger to us.

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I'll throw this out. Let me ask you this question.

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Do we know if raccoons are by nature good leaders? And if they are by

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nature good leaders, could it have something to do with always eating trash?

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Mm-hmm. Well, my friend, uh, Angela Lampsberry and I watched, uh, Air Bud 4-

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Sure.

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... the other night. And, uh-

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(laughs) The raccoon version? (laughs)

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There is a raccoon in it.

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Oh! (laughs)

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Yeah.

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Of course.

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He doesn't play sports, though.

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(laughs)

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He leads the team.

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He's not a good leader.

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Ah, shit.

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No, he's kinda-

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Well-

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He's working with the bad guys.

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Whoa, boy. That, well, I mean...

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His role in the movie is convoluted. Not a good leader.

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Has a lot of yellow-blond hair, kinda combed over on top of his head?

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You don't see him eating a Big Mac.

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Mm.

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But...

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(laughs)

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So, uh, there's another, uh, line of question-

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Uh-huh.

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... after we talk about Trump eating bad food.

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My God.

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Um, and uh, Clayton wants to know, like, "Hey, uh,

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what, what has Trump learned that is gonna be different this time around?"

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Sure.

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And Tucker has a

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very interesting answer.

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I think he has learned the lesson a lot of us learn over time, which is,

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you can't trust anyone who hasn't been humiliated in public. Unless someone's

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really been through it, you know, really been through it, been fired from his job, accused of a

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crime, you know, and stayed true to what he believed, hasn't collapsed inside

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and become Michael Cohen... You know, it's only people like that you can really trust under pressure.

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And I th- I certainly feel that way in my life, and which is

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why, when I got fired from my last job, the people I brought with me are the people

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w- who came with me (laughs) , you know, because they've been through all this stuff and, and I

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knew who they were. It's easy to be, you know, a great person if there's no

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pressure applied to you, but when things start to fall apart, you know, people

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move in directions you can't anticipate. So, you want

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tough people. Y- Courage is the indispensable

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requirement, I think, for leadership.

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Getting fired from Fox wasn't the first time Tucker was publicly humiliated.

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He wore a bow tie for years and got dunked on by Jon Stewart so hard that he stopped wearing bow ties.

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I get what Tucker is trying to say, and it's an idea

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that, uh, you need to have integrity and that oftentimes, people cave to public

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pressure, and that's not the kind of person you want around. It's not a

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strong leader who can be swayed by public opinion.

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This is an all right idea at its core, but it's being applied in a grotesque way

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here, where the standard for a person's integrity is some kind of public humiliation.

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I think what Tucker is missing is keeping any actual standards for how people behave

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after this public humiliation, where he's just arbitrarily deciding

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that the people he likes are the ones who had the courage to withstand that challenge.

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My reason for thinking this is that Tucker doesn't even come close to passing his own test.

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He was publicly humiliated in the mid-2000s and he changed his entire

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shtick from being a neoconservative George W. Bush supporter

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to being a fake populist right-winger on Fox

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News. Then he was publicly humiliated again as it relates to the 2020 election

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coverage in that lawsuit, and he changed his shtick again from being a

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fake populist right-wing guy to being a fucking idiot who pretends he was attacked by a demon

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and sells anti-woke smokeless tobacco.

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This is Tucker attempting to play the classic

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Alex game, where consequences are an indication of virtue. Alex believes that he only

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gets attacked because he's over the target, and therefore he's a danger to his imaginary

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enemies, and this is what's underneath what Tucker is trying to express.

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You only experience this public humiliation if it's a test from the globalists, and if you fail that test

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and change who you are, then you didn't have it to begin with.

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Hmm.

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There's also a thread of, like, really

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mob-sounding shit in there where Michael Cohen is the example of someone who faced the heat from the cops

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and he revealed that he was disloyal to the boss.

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I don't think that's specifically what Tucker wants to evoke, but it's coming across a little bit.

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This loyalty to Trump is-

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Yeah.

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... what, the metal that's being tested.

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Yeah, I see that. I wonder, I wonder if I

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feel the same way. Not, I mean, I don't know if he means it this way, but to a certain extent, I agree

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with Tuckter- Tucker wholeheartedly for why this would work,

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is, if you have gone through the public humiliation, you are essentially, uh, uh,

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untouchable. You know, like, again, Trump grabs him by the pussy and he can do it in public now.

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Mm-hmm.

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So, like,

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once you've gone through the humiliation-

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I don't, I, I don't-

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... and made it through the other side-

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Sure, yeah.

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... there's nothing that c- You know, and that's why Tucker can change his shtick.

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You can say anything as a comic once you've put out your uncancellable special.

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Yeah.

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Or whatever.

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There you go. Yeah.

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You know, like, once y- once you have the enlightenment and the realization

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that, like, "Oh, this cancel culture stuff is all just a, uh-"

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They can't hurt me.

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"This is just a business model. I don't-

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Yep.

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"... actually, you know, th- I'm not, I'm not really beholden to this public opinion stuff."

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None of these people are real. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, once y- then you are free.

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Yeah.

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And you, you do come to a place where you could probably better serve the king.

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Yeah.

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But, like, I, I d- I don't think that it's, it, it's

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real. Like, I don't think what he's expressing i- I, I, I think that dynamic is real.

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Oh, okay.

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But I don't think what Tucker is saying is real.

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Right.

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Like, I don't think that there is a truth

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to, like, you can only trust people who have been publicly humiliated.

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I mean, yeah. I w- I wonder, 'cause there is a, because

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you're, you're right, there is a little bit of that mob shit with Cohen too though, is that, like,

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Cohen revealed that he's willing to have a (laughs) conscience or whatever.

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Yeah.

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You know? Whereas, like, Giuliani, n- still not doing it.

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Mm-hmm.

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Still not taking it back. You c- uh, Trump can probably pardon Giuliani and, and it'll be fine.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think you k- I, I,

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okay, so it's a, it's an interesting

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y- thing, where you can, you can trust someone

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before they're publicly humiliated and reveal whether or not they're loyal to the king.

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Exactly.

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You can, but

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if you've gone through it and been battle-hardened-

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Yeah.

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... and shown that you're loyal, then you're probably a safer bet.

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Totally. Trump could take a shit in front of the Four Seasons Lawn Company at this point

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and it's like, what are you gonna do?

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Right.

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You've got nothing on me, man. Yeah.

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Tucker, Tucker did a video where he said he was attacked by a fucking demon.

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Exactly. You've lost.

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And he's still got the marks on him and everything.

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Either it doesn't matter or you lost.

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Right.

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Not them. Yeah.

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Or, Matt Gaetz was nominated for Attorney General.

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Totally.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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So-

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Still might get the job.

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Eh.

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Why not?

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So, eh, eh, Tucker's, Tucker likes that Gaetz guy.

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Of course.

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You know, it's easy to say or even to believe the right things, but it's harder to carry them out

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under fire. And so, I do think he's appointed people who've been through it. I mean, Tulsi Gabbard

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has been through it, Bobby has been through it, Matt

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Gaetz, whatever you think, has been through it. I mean, Matt Gaetz got accused

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of child sex tr- trafficking by the Department of Justice,

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which then never charged him for child sex trafficking.

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I mean, which, if you think about it, like, people need to go to doing that.

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I mean, how would you like it if I'm like, "You know, the

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DOJ announced today that Clayton Morris is, you know, responsible for genocide in Central Africa." Okay.

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(laughs)

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Well, prove it. And then you get fired from your job and now all your neighbors hate you and your

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wife divorces you or whatever. Like, your world falls apart-

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Right.

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... and the DOJ is like, "Well, actually, we're not charging him for genocide in Central Africa." It's like,

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the people who did that to you should be punished for it, and they did that to Matt Gaetz. If he's a child sex

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trafficker, prove it in court, bitch. And if he's not-

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(laughs)

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... you're committing a crime by saying he is. It's super simple. So I do think-

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Say it again.

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... and I, and I, I believe this, that Trump picked Gaetz and people like Gaetz because

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he knows who they are and they know who they are, because they've been forced to learn.

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I was shocked by that, uh, that-

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Ooh.

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-bitch (laughs) out of nowhere. It was a, it was a quite a drop.

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There are ways to say bitch and then there are way... Then there's that.

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Yeah.

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There's what that was.

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It felt

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real-

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Ugh.

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... really out of place.

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Gross.

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So the DOJ didn't accuse Matt Gaetz of child sex trafficking. They investigated a

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allegation that was brought to them by a witness about him doing drugs and having sex with a minor.

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They looked into it, but didn't press charges against

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him. However, Gaetz's friend, Joel Greenberg, is currently in jail because of all this, doing

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11 years after pleading guilty to charges, including underage sex trafficking.

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The House Ethics Committee has wanted to release their report on an investigation about the

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allegations against Gaetz, but Republicans have been

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blocking that for a while, notably when Trump had nominated Gaetz to be Attorney General.

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Huh.

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There's an argument, uh, that ethics

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reports aren't supposed to be put out during a time when there's an election

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because of the political, uh, implications

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of a race. And s- uh, I don'w- I don't agree with that, but some people make that argument, whatever.

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Hey, emails.

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Now that he's withdrawn himself from

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consideration for that position and resigned from Congress, seemingly destined for a

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budding career in the right wing shit talk industry-

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For sure.

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... the Ethics Committee has voted to release their report.

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As of the time of recording this episode, that's not out yet, so I have no idea what it'll say. No idea.

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Mm-hmm.

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Probably not a surprise that Tucker is into Gaetz though. Like he was just talking about how

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Mike Tyson's a great guy, so maybe there's a pattern here.

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I mean-

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Small little pattern?

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... the moment you're a guy who says something

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very similar to, if you, uh, uh, actually like

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take the meaning of his words, something along the lines of the only

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thing worse than rape is being falsely accused of rape.

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Mm-hmm.

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(sighs) That person is, uh-

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Not great.

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You should leave 'em alone-

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Mm.

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... forever, in a hole. (laughs)

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It's not great.

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So Clayton Morris, uh, g- has a point here that actually

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was where this transcended into like a, okay, this is

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n- this is kind of bringing up an interesting point that I wanna cover.

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Okay.

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He talks about the dangers of lying by omission.

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(laughs) That's something you've said to me, not said to me, but you've said,

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I think, publicly a couple of times after you, after you left, uh, after you left your last job, um,

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it's about, uh, lying by omission.

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And I think about,

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I think about that often

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doing-

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Do you?

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... the show that we do,

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uh,

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because it's very easy

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to lie by omission, to build a show and to leave out key things, because it makes you-That's right.

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-uncomfortable-

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Exactly.

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... or because you're receiving money from some source or whatever. So it's very nefarious. I mean,

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'cause you can flip on legacy media today and you can say, "Oh, that, they're in the tank for the Democrats.

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They're in the tank for conservatives

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and Trump." But there's always like 30% of the things they're missing. They're just not

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saying it for some reason and e- and you wonder. And that to me is a, is it deep state? Is it deep state

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money? How many of the... And to me it's always follow the

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money. But what do you make of that? 'Cause I see it now happening in alternative media. Like forget

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the cable box, forget Fox News, forget MSNBC, forget CNN and

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lying by omission or whatever, but now it's happening in alternative media, like the,

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the independent media. And it's, it's, uh,

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I think it's creeping in there and it's bothering me. I don't know if you

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see it or you're aware of it or what you think of it.

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I, I

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think I know what you mean. I mean, well certainly, it's just a feature of the human experience.

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Um,

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I've, I've wrestled with it personally, because

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if I'm being honest, and I always want to be honest,

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you know, y-

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y- y- you say things you believe are true.

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Do you?

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That's your obligation. Or well, your obligation on the other versus is

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not to ever say anything you know to be untrue, not to lie. Okay?

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Is it?

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Right.

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On the other hand, aren't you under any kind of obligation to say everything you believe is true?

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No.

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I mean, I have

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thoughts about, you know, things that are embarrassing or

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not relevant to anything. I, could be completely wrong or,

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you know, gee-

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Right.

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-he's gained a lot of weight. Probably not gonna share that. They're hurtful for no good purpose.

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Um, and then there are all the things-

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And you-

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... things-

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Then you turn into Kramer from Seinfeld where you just walk into a room and you go-

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No, that's exactly-

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"Man-"

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Right.

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"... you need a nose job." Like... (laughs)

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(laughs) Exactly. It's like...

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(laughs) It's, uh, it's totally right. (laughs)

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Ha ha ha, Tucker's totally right. You don't have a requirement to say everything you

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think or know. You just can't say lies. It would be impossible to say everything so, like

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at once that you know to be true. He's just a pillar of integrity.

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Incidentally, Tucker has a habit of

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lying by omission to his audience. He was caught in a particularly grotesque

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instance of this after he interviewed Ye, who was presented as "not

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crazy" and "worth listening to." Unfortunately, someone leaked footage that Tucker

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shot, but edited out of the released interview where Ye said

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a bunch of antisemitic shit, accused Louis Vuitton of

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murder, and rambled about how there were children who'd been replaced by actors in his house. Tucker

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lied by omission to his audience because he wanted to. It was profitable to do that interview and he knew

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that he could edit the interview just enough so it would advance

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Tucker's interests that aligned with what Ye was saying at the time.

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He knew that. That was a calculation that he made, so he lied by omission.

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Tucker's not only a master of lying by omission, he also has

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literally said in interviews that he's willing to lie if he feels backed into a corner in a conversation.

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Tucker Carlson is a giant liar, and that's important to remember when he starts

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blowing hard about honesty and how important it is.

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Yeah.

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So there's a guy lying about the act of being honest.

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Yeah.

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It's crazy.

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I wonder if you would consider, uh, the, the fun, the fun, uh, term for lying, uh, that they call sane washing-

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Mm.

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... to be lying by omission.

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Hmm.

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You know what I mean? Like, if you want to represent the true

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w- uh, I guess, thrust of s- uh, Trump monologue, the only way to do so is to print the monologue-

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Mm-hmm.

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... by only printing the parts that you think make sense.

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But I, I think, I think that you could-

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I would say that's lying by omission.

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I think you could end up in a pretty difficult position there though too, because I think

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some, uh, of, if you have a, just a transcript, that might even be sane washing, because

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some of the meter and the way he delivers-

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Sure.

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-certain things are lost in-

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Sure.

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-translation from his delivery to the page.

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Right.

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So almost like the only way to not

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sane wash in some way is just to-

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Mad man speaks.

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Sure. Yeah, or just show the entire thing. Just put the entire-

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Totally.

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-thing there.

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Yeah.

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It's like, you have, you now are obligated to watch an hour of this.

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I mean, I would, I wonder how much of our, of our like, uh,

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media diet is affected just by people being like, "We've only got so many column inches."

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Mm-hmm.

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You know?

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I think there's an element to that. And I, I think that some of it is the

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same thing that, that Tucker is pretending to be concerned about.

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Right.

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Which is you can't

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say everything that's true all at once-

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Right.

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-you know?

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Right.

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You're, you're obligated not to tell untruths, not to say everything that is true.

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Right.

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And I, I think that, um,

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you know, that sometimes well-meaning people even can-

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I think it's mostly well-mean-

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Can lie by omission when-

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I think it's almost all well-meaning people who lie by omission. (laughs)

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Sure.

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(laughs)

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I, I'm, I'm not saying that that criticism doesn't exist-

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Sure.

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-in a lot of places.

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No, that's the, that's the problem.

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This is just ironic from him.

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Exactly, that's the problem with it, and that's again, what their,

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their secret power is, is that, yeah, they've got a point.

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Mm-hmm. So this, uh, uh, that is one of the big reasons... Uh, this is gonna sort of

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be a thread that, that goes throughout the rest of this-

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Mm-hmm.

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-this interview, and I thought that this, uh, this idea about lying by omission-

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Yeah.

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-is something that

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implicates Tucker particularly-

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Mm-hmm.

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-and makes this interview interesting.

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Yeah.

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Um, but also he declares, uh, how cool Joe Rogan is.

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Of course.

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Um, Joe Rogan deserves the credit for creating an entire new

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genre of podcasting from which I'm benefiting, so I'm grateful to Joe Rogan.

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Does he?

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And I mean that.

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Plus I love Joe Rogan anyway, but, um,

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but he did that single-handedly, so... And I guess we're both beneficiaries of it. He created this thing.

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Yeah.

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Like, it didn't exist bef-

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All right. You know how I've said in the past, like, what I want is a mirror that

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forces these people to see them true selves?

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Mm-hmm.

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But then, you know, just listening to that, maybe the- the power of being a

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true, out-and-out psychopath, like straight-up psychopath, is that you can look into that mirror-

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Yes.

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... you can see it perfectly-

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Yes.

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... and all you have to do is describe it, and people will

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think other people are... you're talking about other people.

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I don't think that Tucker is- would be able to

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speak these ways and about this if he hadn't looked into the mirror and been fine with it.

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Well, no. I mean-

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I don't- I don't think revealing his true self is going to be that potent of a- of a thing.

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I mean, I- I would even... No, that's what I'm trying to say, is that he actually can see his true self.

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Yeah.

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And because he can see his true self, he can describe it so accurately-

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Mm-hmm.

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... and make you think he's talking about somebody else, but in reality he's just describing a mirror.

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Yeah.

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And he can see it perfectly, and you can't believe anyone would say these things about themselves.

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Yeah, the demon that attacked him is himself.

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Totally.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, wild.

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So, uh, Tucker, he just wants, you know, like... You have- look, corruption's one thing.

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Sure.

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But you don't even wanna have the appearance of corruption.

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Like, taking 17-

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It was 15 million!

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Oh, okay.

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1789 Capital.

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1789 Capital only gave him 15 million? Why are you not giving him 17.89 million? Goddamn it!

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It really is small potatoes when you think about it.

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Goddamn it, yeah.

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It makes a lot of sense, and that's what I worry about for independent

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media. I mean, we are, as you know, es- especially on the right, we're under enormous

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pressure already from the censors.

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Yes.

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You know, if you're broadcasting-

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Yes.

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... on YouTube, you're already,

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you know, up against it, where... Every day in our live stream I see some people

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saying, "We don't even receive notifications when you go live, YouTube doesn't tell us-

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Oh, yeah.

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... you're going live, you're suppressed, you're suppressed,

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you're suppressed," so we know. We know who we are.

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It's proof.

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We're already up against it, and now you're gonna... now you're gonna layer on this additional

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level of, like, corruption, and you're gonna... I don't wanna say it's corrupt, it's just immoral, really,

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to-

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to say that you- you're... "I love Kamala Harris! I love

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Kamala Harris, and you guys gotta go out and vote for her, and

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I'm not gonna tell my audience that I received, uh,

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you know, tens of thousands of dollars from her," or the same on the Trump side.

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That's right.

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That you're not gonna say that, um. Um, yeah, I haven't heard that yet.

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And I don't know, by the way, I don't know how widespread that is, but,

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you know-

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Yeah.

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... if even the suspicion arises that people are not

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telling the truth because they're paid to, they're being paid to lie, th- I think-

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Right.

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... that's an incredibly cor- I don't think, I know, 'cause I just

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exited 30 years in that business, that's very corrosive. So, I hope that that

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is not happening in a- any widespread way, and I hope

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that it ends, because I... I mean, more

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than anything, I- I would much rather be wrong. I

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have been wrong a million times, including about big things. But I don't wanna be dishonest-

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Most of them.

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... and I don't wanna be seen as dishonest. I- both for my own

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reasons of integrity, but also because that, like...

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Why would anyone watch you if you're a liar? Like, no one wants to watch a liar. It's not worth your time.

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Everyone wants to watch a liar.

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(laughs)

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Shh. I mean, I don't- I don't know how to- I don't know how to describe-

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(laughs)

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... all of humanity

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more than "everyone wants to watch a liar."

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(laughs) Yes.

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I don't understand how the history even happens without "everyone wants to watch a liar."

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A liar is more interesting. Like, War of the Worlds is a lie, essentially, the way that it's broadcast.

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Sure, sure.

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And that's

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cha- that changed the world. That is entertaining on a level that is...

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Th- we want... Lies are interesting.

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There's just nowhere to- there's nowhere- there's nowhere to go if somebody says something so

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bald-faced untrue as "No one wants to watch a liar."

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If Alex had to tell the truth, his show would be the most boring, stupid thing in the world.

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It'd be- yeah.

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It's only interesting because of the flights of fancy that are lies.

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Yeah.

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That he's (laughs) ... Tucker only can do any of this shit 'cause he's lying constantly.

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Yeah.

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It's- it's- it's pathetic.

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Yeah.

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This is, um...

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I- I think that th- there's such an essential piece that is, like,

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someone is lying to you about honesty.

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Yeah.

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And that is

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crazy. (laughs)

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Uh, I don't know.

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It makes you feel nuts.

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It is... You know, there's... But it is that classic, like,

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hey, if you can, uh, you know... Honesty is everything. If you can fake that, you've got it made.

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Right.

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That kinda thing, you know?

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You get 15 million.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'm still mad ab- here's- here's what I was looking at, 'cause we were watching Chopped, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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Prize money is still 10K.

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Yeah.

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That in- when they started, now is worth 15K, so essentially the prize money has decreased by a third-

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Right.

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... over time.

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Mm-hmm.

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It feels the same way about bribe money. I hadn't considered that. 15 million

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isn't that much to bribe somebody with.

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Well, it's... I mean, I- I don't think that's all he's gotten.

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Sure, sure, but I mean, like,

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I am- I hate the Mercers even more for depressing the bribe cost.

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Hmm.

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They're just- they're depressing the bribe market.

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I think that also maybe some of the, uh, images of other bribes you're inflating.

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Sure.

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I think that maybe 15 million is a lot of fucking money.

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I- I- uh, not as much as it used to be, and that's what I'm saying. I'm saying the- the bribes in-

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Inflation-

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... my day.

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Right. You go to the grocery store-

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I'm telling you, inflation is a problem.

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15 million won't buy you eggs.

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For- for $3 I get milk, and for $15 I get two milks?

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Hmm.

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(laughs)

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Crazy. So anyway, when people are, like, lying-

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Yeah.

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... and they're getting all this money-

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Yeah.

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... you kinda feel it.

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Tucker- Tucker lets you know.

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S- s- sure.

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You kinda feel

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it.

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If we find out, and again, I haven't even heard this story, and if- if this is...

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You know a lot more than I do, I will say that

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100%, and your sources are phenomenal, so I will say that. Um, but if we-

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I don't have a clue.

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... find out that-

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that, like, you know, the RNC or somebody from

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some super PAC related to Trump was paying off, like, conservative

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YouTubers or Rumble people or something like

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that, I- I think that would be deeply disturbing on that side, too, not just on the person who

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accepted the money. But it would- it would raise

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a lot of questions for me on the backside, I guess. Um, I'd have- I'd have- I'd have to really

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wrestle with that and sit with and think with that. 'Cause my immediate reaction-

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It'd be your pillow.

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... I'd be bothered by it, but-

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Right.

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... maybe- maybe not. Like, if I sat with it for a while, I'd be like, "Well, how... Maybe- maybe it's-"

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On a cushion?

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"... isn't any different than

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some o- some other television ad."

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You know? But I don't know, I- I think I would be bothered by it. (laughs) I think I'm bothered by it.

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Yeah, and I- I have no-

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It's just my gut reaction.

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... evidence that- no evidence that that has happened, um, at all, but

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I just think it's important to keep in mind that purity of spirit is detectable-

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Yeah.

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... by others. People know

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who's being honest, who's saying something 'cause, you know,

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"I really believe this." That's why I'm saying it. And I think people can feel that.

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So Tucker wants you to trust the gut here, because he can manipulate the gut so much easier than the brain.

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Purity of spirit you can just feel. Go- go fly a kite.

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Get outta here.

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Also, it's really important to note that the elephant in the room here is that a

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bunch of Tucker's associates just got caught taking

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huge amounts of money from a Russian government front called Tenet Media.

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Sure.

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This is part of what these dudes are dancing around, rationalizing here-

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Maybe.

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... and not wanting to address, uh, head-on.

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Maybe.

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Funny story, the folks at Tenet Media didn't initially want to post

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Tucker's video where he's amazed at the

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Russian supermarket because they said it was, quote, "like overt shilling."

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On the nose.

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These people who were literally taking millions from the Russian government, uh, uh,

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they thought Tucker's work was a little tacky.

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Mm.

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That's what he's working with.

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I mean, hey, that'll happen.

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You feel that in your gut.

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I like it- I like it when a guy very honestly says something that if you don't think about

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the whole thing, you will not understand it. But essentially, what that guy just said is,

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"If I did this corrupt thing, I would really have to think about it. I'd get over it."

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Mm-hmm.

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"But it'd really make me feel bad for a while."

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Right.

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And you're like, "You just said you don't care."

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Right.

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... like CNN last week, when they, they hauled out Tammy Duckworth

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to talk about the, the virtues of ha- putting

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women in combat. Like, I, I don't think that's the flex you thought it is. You know, when all of

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Tammy Duckworth's limbs are, have been

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destroyed as a result of combat, and CNN's like, "See? Women

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can s- this is why we want to send women to be maimed in combat." It was-

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Did they really, did they really do that?

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Oh, yeah.

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They really did that?

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I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it.

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(laughs) Like, that was the argument against when, uh-

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But I don't, I don't think-

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I don't know who said it. I think it was Matt Gaetz said women should not be in

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combat. I think there was, it was a response to Matt Gaetz saying,

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"Look, that's, we should be protecting..." I- I've

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said, and I tweeted out, I said, "We should be protecting

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our women, not sending them to the front lines of these wars." And CNN trotted Tammy Duckworth out to say-

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What year is it?

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... "See? This is why you should." It was unbelievable.

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It is unbelievable, and I agree with... I think what you said is the truest thing. It's not

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that women aren't brave or capable. Of course they're brave. You know (laughs) ? It's like,

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I've got-

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Right.

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... a whole business, you know? Women are ind- I mean,

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three daughters, I couldn't be more for women. I couldn't respect their talents more.

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Betcha could.

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But my obligation as a man is to protect the women in my life. That's why I'm here. And if

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w- we have a country, then the whole purpose of the military is to prevent our women

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from being killed and raped. That's the only reason we have a military.

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Okay. Our women. Oh, boy. (laughs)

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Are we monkeys? Are we monkeys?

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(laughs)

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Like, straight up, like, just answer the question. Answer the question. Are we monkeys? The only

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reason you're here is to protect the fucking womb?

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Yeah.

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What are we doing?

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Yeah, the military is here to protect the breeding stock.

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Don't have a military!

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(laughs)

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I guess make more wombs. What are we doing?

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Well, I think he wants that too.

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(laughs)

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He wants more white wombs.

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What is (laughs) , what are you even saying?

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It's, it's really weird to just have it be this

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open, like the conversation that they're having. It- it- and, and

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there doesn't seem to be a problem for them. Like, there's no, there's no, like,

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"Ah, this is strange that we believe this and have this possessiveness." And, and,

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and, look, I have a business. I respect women.

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What are you saying?

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I don't know.

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What does that even mean, "I respect women." Define "respect women" if also it includes-

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Well, I'll make choices for them.

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See, there we go.

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For their own good, because they can't make those choices.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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Because I'm protecting them.

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Yeah. They, they don't-

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God.

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... know what's good for them.

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Okay, so you wanna fight. Okay, that's fine.

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(laughs)

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That's fine. That's all you needed to say.

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So now, here's, here's what I think is really fascinating, beyond the rank chauvinism-

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Sure.

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... of that-

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Sure.

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... clip. He starts, Clayton starts off the clip talking

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about how they trotted out Tammy Duckworth to talk about how great women are in the military-

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Right, right.

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... and she has no limbs and, you know, like-

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Sure.

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... there's that. And it's kind of-

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Sure, sure, sure.

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... like, disgusting, but this is where he's starting off the premise.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They trotted her out-

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Yep.

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... in order to sort of promote women in the military.

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Yeah. She's the prop because they made her that. Not me. I didn't make her the prop.

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Well, but here's the thing.

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Yeah.

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As they're talking, Tucker's like, "Did they really do that?"

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Yeah.

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"Did they really do that?" And then it, it's revealed that what actually

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happened is Matt Gaetz said that women shouldn't serve in combat.

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Yeah.

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And this was Tammy Duckworth coming out to respond to Matt Gaetz saying this-

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Sure.

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... misogynist thing-

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Sure.

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... about how we need to protect women for their own good and, and-

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She couldn't possibly have made that choice by herself.

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No.

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No.

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But see, you, you see, the way that it's revealed, that, oh, what I'm talking about is actually

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Matt Gaetz said something and it's being responded to by somebody.

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Right.

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Not that out of nowhere and without context-

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Yeah.

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... uh, Tammy Duckworth was trotted out on CNN.

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Yeah.

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But what Tucker ends up responding to is the original idea that Tammy Duckworth was trotted out on CNN-

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Right.

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... in order to, uh-

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Right.

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... glorify women, uh, being in combat.

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Right.

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He responds to the original premise, even though the original premise as presented has been shown to be

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lying by omission.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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And that's interesting.

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It is, it is very much one of those pure examples of, like, ah, you fucked up. You shouldn't have engaged.

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Mm-hmm.

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Matt Gaetz did this on purpose so you would do that, and now it's bullshit.

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Mm-hmm.

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You fool. He doesn't even believe that women shouldn't serve in the military. He's just talking shit.

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Um, I think, uh-

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Or maybe he does, but he's still-

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Might be a mixture.

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... just talking shit.

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Might be a mixture.

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Yeah, exactly.

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So, uh, Tucker goes, uh, on a little bit further-

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Yeah.

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... down his misogyny hole here.

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Sure.

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And, uh, I, I'm blown away by this.

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Okay.

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If

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we have a country, then the whole purpose of the military is to prevent our women from being

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killed and raped. That's the only reason we have a military.

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Right.

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And so if instead we're asking women to fight our wars for us,

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that's grotesque and dishonorable.

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And so it's not a question of women's rights, it's a question of men's obligations as men,

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as protectors and providers.

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Right.

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That's our job. Now, I know we're living in a period where we can pretend that's not

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our job, and your wife's got a job at Citibank and she's a provider or whatever, but,

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you know, this is just a moment in time. This is just a spot on a, on a continuum, and

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that is not the rule. Its biology doesn't suggest that that's

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true. It's not real. And, you know, over time, people will look back on this and say,

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"Boy, those people talked themselves into some

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seriously destructive nonsense." But most destructive of all

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is the idea that, you know, I'm gonna

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sit back and let the women in my house fight a

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war. Are you joking? If I have a home invasion in my house, do

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I say to my wife, "You know what? I got the last one. Will you, will you repel the invaders?"

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(laughs)

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(laughs)

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See, 'cause I think-

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(laughs)

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... I think what it is, is that he can cram so many reasons to start a fight into one sentence.

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Yeah.

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You know? And you're like, "Dude, no, no, no, no, no. Why are you... What? No, no, no, no." The

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first eight words you said, we're done.

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Hmm.

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You're still talking.

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Well, I think there's, I think there's something swingworthy about this, uh,

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like, "We let women fight our wars," because, you know, there's a, "our" is-

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Yeah.

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... a word that does not include women-

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No.

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... apparently.

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Yeah.

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The "us"

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is not them.

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Nope.

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The "us" is middle-aged white men.

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Yep.

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(laughs) It's just-

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I mean...

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It's a, it's an interesting glimpse into, like, how,

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like,

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fundamentally a chauvinist

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he, uh, th- he views

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the natural order.

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Yeah.

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There is a, there's a, a, a sense that we'll look back on this time when we pretended that women had jobs

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and, and that was cute, and we'll look back on that as a delusion of time, and like, okay, man.

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(sighs)

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Wow.

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I, I don't know if I've ever more accurately used the word bewildered.

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Mm-hmm.

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But that bewildered me.

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Sure.

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You know?

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I mean, it's a small step from this to, like, the road that leads to The Handmaid's Tale.

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I mean, just keep them in birthing chambers, say it, and let's move on with our lives.

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It-

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I wanna see them once a day whenever we fuck and then once whenever they

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throw a baby out and then put it back in their hole.

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And then I'll, uh, uh, fantasize about protecting them.

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Yeah, yeah.

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(laughs)

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I've saved them. Oh, my God. Keeping them in a hole, that keeps them safe.

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Cool, man. Cool, cool.

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Oh, my God.

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Yeah.

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(groans)

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It's, it's... I think the reason why, um, it's... Okay, I think the reason that you feel the desire to fight-

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Sure.

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... is because

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Tucker exists enough in the real world that, like, it feels like

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th- he's touching on real things.

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Sure.

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With Alex, there's like, there's no chance we're ever gonna have agreement, and

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you are, uh, just some kind of crazy off in the middle of nowhere.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Uh-

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You go to Bilderberg, why are we gonna fight about the globalists? You're in

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Spain or whatever. Who cares? Yeah.

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Yeah, where-

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Whereas Tucker, like, it, the r- the harm that he's advocating, and it feels so much realer.

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Yeah.

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And it feels so much closer to power in a way that, like, that respectability bridge is visible with Tucker.

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Yeah.

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With Alex, it's not.

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Yeah.

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It...

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Alex is disconnected enough from, like, the

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real levers of power, where he's like, "I

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made all the staffing decisions with Trump's first term." It's like, no, you didn't. Fuck off.

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Fine, yeah.

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You had some influence in whatever way

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downstream in culture and all of this. And yes, you're, you're, you're toxic.

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Yeah.

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But-

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... whatever. Tucker actually feels like, well, you probably

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could get people hired and fired in the White House.

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(sighs)

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Yeah. Buddy, we gotta do this. Sorry. (laughs)

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Yeah. Sorry, yeah.

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I don't want to be here any more than you do.

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No.

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And yet, here we are, fisticuffs is about to begin.

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So, uh, in this next clip-

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Yeah.

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... Tucker talks about Antifa.

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Sure. Gotta worry.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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They've been

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suspicious-

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I haven't heard of the-

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... in their absence.

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I haven't heard of E- Antifa being a problem, uh, since the media stopped making them a problem.

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Well, the, uh, h- here's the truth of it all-

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Sure, sure.

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... is that, uh, there were more convenient boogeymen for the right wing.

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Yeah.

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And so, they kind of got less interested in-

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Yeah.

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... in antifascist types and, and the real, the sort of left-wing organizing, and-

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You would think with the number of sleeper cells and assassins that the Antifa

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armies were claimed to have, you would wanna keep an eye on them.

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Sure, sure. And that polled well-

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Sure.

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... and did a lot of numbers-

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Sure.

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... when it did.

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Yeah.

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Um, but, like, immigrants and stuff like that-

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Yeah.

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... are, that's, that's pushing the needle a little more, moving more product.

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Yeah.

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So, they've been complaining mostly about that.

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Yeah.

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Um, but, uh,

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Tucker's like, "Hey, man.

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They've been aro- they haven't been around for a while."

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Maybe they weren't even real.

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Why don't they talk about credit card debt? (laughs)

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You

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know, last thing I'll say, Antifa, which was, you know, of course, laid dormant

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during the entire four years of Biden because they are the-

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Sure. Sounds true.

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... you know, the youth wing of the Democratic Party, maybe they'll be mobilized again.

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But they were always like, "We're so radical, we're Antifa." And

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I always thought to myself, "If you're really radical,

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why are you never mentioning the fact that credit card companies were charging 20% interest?"

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They're always radical, like, "We hate white people," or,

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you know, "We hate any group that's not voting for the Democratic

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Party." They hate whites because they're not voting Democrat, that's why they hate whites.

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Right. Mm-hmm.

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Now th- now they're gonna hate Hispanics,

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because Hispanics aren't either. I hope Hispanics are ready to be denounced. But

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they never said a word about the actual power in this country, and the banks are at the very top

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of that pyramid. The people who live off the interest that you pay, that enslaves you.

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No one ever mentioned that. The radicals never mentioned that. Not one time.

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This is absolutely not true. A- a- and what he's actually expressing is, the caricature

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that I reported on of these people never included this thing. Isn't that interesting?

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The complaint that, uh, that I think they

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should have, they didn't have, because I was demonizing them as cartoons-

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Yeah.

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... (laughs) who just hate white people. Um, so that's fun.

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In general, if I recall correctly, their conversations with the media tended to be,

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"Please don't talk to us. You're bad." As opposed to, "We should be concerned about credit card debt."

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Well, but I also think that there were plenty of critiques, uh, within, you know, antifascist,

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uh, circles of predatory credit cards and-

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Well, you can't, you can't be antifascist-

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Anti-capitalism.

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... and also at the same time be like, "Well, credit cards should

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absolutely be able to charge the amount of interest that they desire."

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Right.

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Yeah. That's just not how it works.

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So, essentially what happened-

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Yeah.

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... is that when Tucker was spending a lot of time yelling about Antifa, "Bah, bah, bah!"

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Sure.

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He was lying by omission, by not talking about what these groups actually were and what they believed in-

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Sure.

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... because it was much more advantageous for him

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to create this, this boogeyman of, A, they just hate white people, bah,

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they're the youth arm of the Democratic Party, bah.

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Oh, my God.

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So, he lied by omission to create that, that caricature.

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Yeah.

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And now, he's looking back at the caricature that he created

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by lying by omission, and then lying by omission about that.

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That's, that's fun.

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It is.

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That's just fun. That's just good, plain fun.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Swinging.

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I mean, hey, you know? Like,

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there is, there's a part of me that sits, uh, uh, like a, like a monk in a temple.

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Just very calm and relaxed saying, you know, like, "Your words can't actually hurt me.

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I really don't care." But at the same time, I did spend a lot of time training in martial arts, so

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let's kill two birds with one stone, you know? I'm not

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gonna let your words hurt me, and I'm gonna get a workout in. Done and done.

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Yeah. I, I do think that you and, and Tucker should, uh, box for charity.

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I would, I would, uh, question

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whether or not charity should be associated with what might happen.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Well, that's why you gotta-

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(laughs)

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... find a cool charity.

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(laughs)

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The Red Cross isn't gonna do it. (laughs)

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So, Tucker, uh, of course, the subject of aliens comes up.

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Sure, sure.

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And, uh, this is interesting.

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Hmm.

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I'll get you outta here on this, and I would be remiss if I didn't ask you this.

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(laughs)

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Because back in the day, when you and

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I were sitting there on Fox & Friends couch and, and talking for three hour, four hours a day

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in commercial breaks and having coffee, you and I would often talk about

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UFOs, UAPs, and, and all of this stuff.

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Yep.

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Um, and I was a crazy person, of course, so I, you know... And, um,

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but you had this hearing, of course, the other day. And, uh, uh, we're past the point, yes, aliens

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exist, whatever. Uh, we, we have reverse engineered-

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Yeah.

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... their craft. We have these materials. We know this now, that's on the Congressional Record. We

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have this stuff. Like, let's move be- let's move the conversation beyond that.

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I wanna ask you

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about zero-point energy

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and these technologies that I think this government has in their, in their possession.

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You think?

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I think it's verifiable.

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It's verifiable?

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The instantaneous travel. I think it's one of the greatest

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cover-ups in human history that we don't have access-

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Sure would be.

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... to this technology.

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Sure would be.

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Are you k- are you hopeful at all that these members of Congress, Nancy Mace and others, are gonna

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be able to, Timber Shedd and others, are gonna be able to pull this out, um,

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of these deep, these deep programs and, and, and release

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it? Like, what's your, when you're, when you're in, in the smoky-filled rooms,

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what are you hearing about this?

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Well, um,

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no, I'm not at all hopeful, um, I mean hopeful. I'm not at all confident. Um, one of the members,

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I don't wanna betray secrets, but one of the, and I think this

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is correct, the members of Congress you just mentioned, I won't say which,

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pushed hard on the, on the UAP Disclosure Act of, of, uh, 2022, which has never kind of been

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enacted, and as a result, was primaried by his own party, which is, you know,

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the m- kind of maximum punishment in electoral politics.

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So, there is a massive... We cannot overstate the effort

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in place to prevent disclosure. And the question really is why.

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Why? Now, I, I got lost in a little bit of a fantasy while I was listening to this-

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Sure.

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... where this guy, Clayton, is like,

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"All right, look. There's aliens. Let's grow up. Let's- let's move past this."

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Uh, yeah. Yeah, let's be adults.

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Come on.

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We- we're, we're all, we're all capable of learning.

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Come on, there's aliens. We all know this.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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Now, would you like to buy a house on the cheap that I'm gonna flip?

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I... Yes.

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(laughs)

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Yes, I do.

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Yes, I do, sir.

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This guy is just cool and credible, is the way that I get, like, the vibe that I get off him is just great.

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You know what I hate? Is that for all the things that these people, we've listened to them lie

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about, I 100% believe that he believes there is instantaneous travel somewhere.

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Probably.

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I 100% guarantee that that is a core belief of his, and that makes me even angrier.

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And I think that Tucker's response to the question as it goes on is kinda like,

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"Eh, it's complicated." You know? Like,

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it just, eh, maybe no one's making any money off

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this or whatever, but these, these technologies are suppressed because

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it would get messy. It gets complex.

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There you go.

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What do you do?

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What are you gonna do?

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Right.

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Yeah, we can't be introducing that-

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People jump into the same spot.

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... into the e- economy.

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No way.

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Yeah, no, come on.

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It would be disruptive too much.

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Absolutely. Yeah.

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So, uh, we have one last clip-

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Mm-hmm.

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... uh, talking about this alien subject.

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Sure.

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And it begins with Tucker kinda having a hacky standup premise.

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Great.

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And then, going real, real wide with it.

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Uh-oh.

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But can I ask you a question?

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Geez, the drama, the drama heat.

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Can I ask you a question? So, there, there is this, um,

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there is this process of recovering of, of these craft or whatever they are, right?

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Right.

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And the so-called biologics that reside within supposedly.

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Um, and I'm sure you're aware of this. So, how exactly are there so many crashed UAPs?

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What is that? They have the technology...