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Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple of dudes that sit around,
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worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh, indeed we are. Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Quick question for you.
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'Sup?
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What's your bright spot today, buddy?
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My bright spot today is a wonderful type of moment that you can have sometimes.
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All right.
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And that is the moment where you realize, "Ah, shit, I'm stupid."
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Okay. I like that moment.
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Yeah. So I got a pack of Mamba. You know, the, the
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candy?
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Okay, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And I have a Berrylicious, uh, uh-
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Variety.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Okay.
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So it's like different berry flavors.
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Sure. Sure, sure, sure.
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And one of the
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kind that was in there was a wild strawberry.
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All right.
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And so (laughs) I was looking at it and I ate it, and I realized for the first time
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that wild was not a, like, cool adjective.
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(laughs)
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It meant wild like it grows wild.
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Right, right, right. (laughs)
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And I realized that Wild Cherry Pepsi has always... I always thought it was like-
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Super cool, dude, it's Pepsi.
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This cherry is... (laughs)
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Okay. (laughs)
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This cherry is wild.
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This cherry fucks.
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Yeah.
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This cherry is cool as shit.
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I always... I- I realize that I never had the thought.
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Right.
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That the wild could mean something else.
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Just like out in the wild.
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Yep.
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Oh, right.
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Yep.
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Huh?
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So that was a nice moment to have.
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That is interesting because I honestly had, had the opposite thought, and I appreciate that far more.
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You never-
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And in fact, I am slightly jealous that you have g- reached that
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but then not me. I feel like I... That's my... That's the way I should be looking at the world.
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So you never thought like, uh... Whenever you
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thought of Wild Cherry Pepsi, you never thought of it on a skateboard?
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No, absolutely not.
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Okay.
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I'm really disappointed in myself.
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(laughs)
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I feel like you've, I feel like you've seen into my soul and taken a small part of it away from me.
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But you were correct.
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(laughs) That's not... That's even worse.
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I wonder if it's because I...
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(laughs)
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Like, maybe it's something to do with the marketing of Wild Cherry Pepsi, you know?
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Sure.
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Like, maybe it was something that when I, when I was a kid, I
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just saw these commercials and they were trying to be cool.
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Sure. Well, yeah, like-
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And so I associated that
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with the wild.
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Right, maybe.
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But-
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But I mean, it's like, I... (laughs) It's like
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Mountain Dew was never wild.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know?
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But they were always, they were always supposed to be cool.
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Well, there, I mean, there's a Live Wire.
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Uh-huh.
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That's the orange one.
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Is it?
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Yeah.
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I don't know any of the Mountain Dews.
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Code Red.
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I remember the Code Red from the childhood I had.
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Uh-huh. The blue something or other. I might... There was a blue one.
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Blue.
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There's the Baja Blast.
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(laughs)
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Um...
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What a world.
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See, that's the thing though. Mountain Dew is always wild.
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That's what I'm saying.
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It's implied. Yeah, yeah.
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Exactly.
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You don't need that adjective there.
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I, I never, I never thought to add, you know? It's, it's on me.
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Somehow...
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I'm disappointed in myself.
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... involved in moonshine and, and prohibition. I don't know the story.
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(laughs)
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Anyway, what's your bright spot?
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Uh, my bright spot is, uh, all the way back from the past into the present.
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The Cure have a new album out.
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Okay.
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That's pretty good.
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All right.
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That's pretty good.
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I... There's a weird defensiveness coming off of you about it being good.
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(laughs) No. I mean, there's, there's a like... So
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they've had several albums in between now and the past 15 years, let's say.
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Mm-hmm.
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And, uh, I've liked about two of them.
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But for some reason, I just, I just... I'll always go. I'll always take a listen.
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Mm-hmm.
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This one's pretty good.
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(laughs)
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Ca- Can I make a confession?
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What's that?
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I don't know if I know exactly what... who the Cure is.
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You don't know who the Cure is? Robert Smith, Disintegration-
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What are some of the songs?
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... Fascination Street,
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uh, Love Song. Your favorite 311 band.
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What?
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Do you remember 311 played the Love Song? You know, <sings. You know that one?
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That is not one of the hits of 311.
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Oh, my God. It's a cover of the Cure.
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They had <sings All mixed up, don't know what to do. Next thing you turn around to find the person is you.</s.
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Oh, man.
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See, I think the, uh-
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<sings, However far away,
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I will always love you</s.
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<sings I will always love you</s. That's the... Okay, yeah, I've heard that.
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Yeah, that's the Cure.
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Okay.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I was never interested.
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(laughs)
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I think... I think that it's the blank-
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Uh-huh.
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... tough sell for me.
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Sure, sure.
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Especially with something... Like, the Cure is, is like... I think
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there's 100 bands that I just get it mixed up with.
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Sure, but it's the Cure.
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Yeah.
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There's a difference between all those other bands and the Cure.
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Yeah.
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They're the Cure.
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I think I've been pretending to-
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They made Disintegration.
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... be aware of them.
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I was gonna say, I feel like we've even talked about-
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I think, I think I've heard more than I realize I've heard.
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Probably. Disintegration is genuinely one of the great albums of, of the time of the world.
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You know, I think that maybe it was a little bit, uh, sad for me, you know?
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It's very sad.
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Yeah, maybe that's-
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It's gothy as shit.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Maybe that's why I never really gravitated to it, uh, as much as a youth.
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Yeah.
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Like, 'cause I know that song, but I, I don't know if I would've-
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Right.
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... ever thought like, "I'm gonna explore more of this."
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Sure. No. Well, that one's, that one's like, in a way, the, the outlier on
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Disintegration.
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Mm-hmm.
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It's, it's mostly very dark and kind of gothy. Uh, there's a lot of spiders, a lot of spider talk.
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I think... A lot of spider talk?
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A lot of spider talk. A lot of talking spiders. A lot of spiders talking.
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Maybe that was what I didn't like.
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(laughs)
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I was scared of spiders when I was a kid.
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Well, there you go. That'll happen.
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I think that I might have packaged them with The Clash when I was younger.
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That could have happened.
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And I, I know who The Clash is.
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Right.
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And so maybe I'm just like, "The Cure, it's too close."
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I understand.
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Name's too close.
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I understand.
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I'm not gonna take a The C- name except for The Cranberries.
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(laughs) I was gonna say.
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I'll take The Cranberries. That's distinctive.
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Fair enough. Fair enough.
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Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed the album.
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It's great.
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So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
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Okay.
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And I think that this is maybe as close as we're gonna get to something wacky-ish.
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All right.
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So, um, th- this ought to be a little bit fun.
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I'm listening.
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Um, and we'll get down to business on this, but before we do, let's take
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a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
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Ooh, that's a great idea.
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So first, working on a time tunnel, so I
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will have been a wonk already. Thank you so much. You're now a Policy Wonk.
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I'm a Policy Wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Or you always were.
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Ooh.
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Uh, next, it was only a matter of time before someone requested A Matter of
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Time shout-out. That podcast is definitive proof that I actually will
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listen to Dan and Jordan talk about anything. Thank you so much. You're now a Policy Wonk.
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I'm a Policy Wonk.
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Thank you very much. You can see I grouped it together.
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Yeah, yeah.
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(laughs)
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Uh, next, Owen Schroyer could not get a bucket
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on Davis in 25 tries. Owen, if you hear this message, I will be at Lively
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Middle on South Congress at 6:30 today and tomorrow and the next day.
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This is a court summons. Uh, bring a spare pair to wear home. Thank you so much. You're now a Policy Wonk.
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I'm a Policy Wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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I think someone wants, uh, to do some hoops.
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(laughs) I like it.
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Yeah.
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I like... That's the way we should solve more problems.
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And finally, it's pita time. Thank you so much. You're now a Policy Wonk.
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I'm a Policy Wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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A solid type of bread.
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Yes, indeed.
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So, Jordan, today, like I said, we're, uh, going a little wacky.
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Okay.
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The election's tomorrow.
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I have heard that.
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Yeah. And I'm gonna be perfectly frank with you.
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I've been horribly underwhelmed by Alex's coverage of the election up to this point.
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Everything is a foregone conclusion to the point where it really just feels like a person who's going
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through the motions. He's a person who's reached
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a lazy editorial conclusion and his coverage of
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every story is just him attempting to spin things to support that conclusion.
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It sucks, it's uninspired, and I'm not
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excited that he raffled off a truck to bring in attention to his new fake business
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that's outside the bankruptcy. But
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I don't want to live in that malaise. I don't want to be in that boardroom. Uh, it's just
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awful.This election is important and there are exciting things going
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on, whether or not either candidate has all the policy positions you'd want.
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And being forced to see this through the prism of Alex Jones is just,
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ugh, it's no good. This shit does matter, and the only way that I felt like I could escape the
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boredom spiral that Alex was forcing upon me was to put him on the back burner.
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Good call.
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So I did.
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And thankfully, the most important man in the world, Tucker Carlson-
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Oh, goddammit.
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... decided to really spice things up in the last days of the campaign. (laughs)
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All right.
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So today, I thought we would get into some of the very exciting Tucker Carlson news.
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Okay.
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How much of this are you aware of?
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None.
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You don't know anything?
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I am tr- I'm literally trying to stay completely off the internet. I'm- I'm trying to escape.
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You don't know the very big thing that happened with Tucker Carlson in the last week?
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No.
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Awesome.
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Okay.
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That's great.
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Okay.
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(laughs)
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All right.
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Oh, man. Everybody listening to this knows already.
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I re- I, I'm trying to read-
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That's, that's fun.
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I'm trying to, like, leave the internet and re- just read books.
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Yeah, I know.
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When people publish books, I just read them now.
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No, I know, but th- that's like the recapturing the magic of this, uh-
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Oh, okay.
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... like, you actually don't know what's coming.
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I, I know. I'm trying.
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Yeah.
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I'm, I'm reaching for the future.
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So I, I thought what we would do is we would start off by listening to hi- his
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speech that he gave on October 23rd at a rally in Georgia-
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Okay.
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... for Turning Point USA. This was a Trump rally.
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Great.
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Um, and so we're gonna listen to a little bit of this
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and, uh, yeah, enjoy.
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(crowd cheering) I have never, I have never in my life
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spoken at a political rally.
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I've covered a million of 'em
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for over 30 years and I've never spoken at one, never thought I would,
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and I'm so thrilled. I'm honored to be here. (crowd cheering)
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I really am.
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And...
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(crowd cheering)
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I am. It's totally without shame and entirely with gratitude I'm standing here, and I can't
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believe I just spoke after Bobby Kennedy.
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(laughs)
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(crowd cheering)
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So cool!
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So Tucker says this is the first political rally he's spoken at, but I would argue that his entire tour was
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one big political rally pretending to be an interview show.
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A bunch of his guests were associated with the Trump campaign, including his VP
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choice, JD Vance, and Trump's son. All Tucker does is political rall- li- rallies, basically.
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But even leaving that aside, Tucker spoke at the RNC this year.
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Like, he can pretend that he hasn't made these
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kinds of appearances in the past, but it's bullshit, and it's specifically meant to
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build the theme of this speech that he's going to give.
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Just before he got on stage, there were speeches from RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard.
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These are presumably supposed to be people who are on the
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left, but saw the light, so now they've come over to the right wing side.
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Tucker is trying to fit that mold, because it's very popular and they, they think it's a compelling
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pitch to undecided and tentative voters.
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It's essentially a way of saying, "Come on in, the water's
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fine. RFK and Tulsi switched teams, and look at me, I've never spoken at a political
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rally, but here I am." It's basically just that.
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It's like when you're busking and you put a dollar of your own money in the hat.
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Yes.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, bingo.
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So, uh, he gets into, uh, his speech a little bit, and, uh, you know, it's this, uh, "Trump's gonna win."
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Yeah, of course.
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And then he, he s- he starts saying a, a s- certain word a bit.
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Oh.
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So here's my perspective.
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Um, I, I, I think Donald Trump's gonna win- (crowd cheering) ... um,
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which is amazing.
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(laughs) (crowd cheering)
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(laughs)
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(laughs)
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And,
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um, that's why I'm here. I'm not here because he's gonna win. Um,
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I'm here because I'm so thrilled by what I've watched over the past nine years. This is the
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end of a redemption arc. (crowd cheering)
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(cheering)
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I've, I've really never seen anybody
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treated
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like Donald Trump was treated, ever. Anybody, ever.
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Attack him.
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I watched this all up close. Defame him,
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indict him,
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arrest him, let him get shot in the face,
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and he's gonna win anyway.
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(crowd cheering)
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Ah!
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It is a triumph. (crowd cheering) It's, it's a triumph.
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The phrase "triumph of the human spirit" has been turned into a cliche by the people who write movie posters,
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but it doesn't make it any less real. Donald Trump's victory will be a triumph of the human spirit...
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"Triumph of the Will," one might say.
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Hmm.
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(laughs) It's real easy to see Tucker saying "triumph" over and over, and saying "triumph of the human
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spirit" and remember that the most famous Nazi propaganda film of all time is called Triumph of the
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Will, and then you make a little bit of a connection there. It would make sense to think that he's signaling
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to that direction, but his response would obviously be
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that he's just using the word "triumph" and referencing movie posters.
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You're the weird one if your mind associates that with Nazi stuff.
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But there's a deeper problem here, which is, uh, you know... Have you ever watched Triumph of the Will?
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No, of course not.
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I, I, I've watched it, and what Tucker is describing is literally the point of that film.
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Great.
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It's about how they tried for years, since World War
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I, to keep Hitler down and oppress the German people, but he withstood
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all the persecution and adversity. And, uh, his 1934 arrival at the Nazi Party
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Congress in Nuremberg, just after the Night of the Long Knives, was the titular Triumph of the Will.
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Sure, sure.
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Either Tucker knows the way he's describing Trump is
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pretty similar to the image that's painted of Hitler in Triumph of the Will, and he's calling, uh, this
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rally and election a triumph of the human spirit, or it's just a crazy coincidence.
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I think "triumph" is a great word...
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Mm-hmm.
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... for me to poop on.
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Right. (laughs)
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(laughs)
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Oh, god. (laughs)
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(laughs)
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I knew that was coming and yet the mugging, just the-
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I, well, there's no way not to. There's no way not to.
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The, the freeze frame you did was just-
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The mug was the, "I had to."
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Yeah.
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Yeah, "There's no other way to save it."
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I, I wa- I've, I've thought about this a bit.
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Yeah.
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Like, whether or not that was intentional or, you know, how much of a, a signal that is.
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Sure.
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I think it, it's, it's too much to be, like, a stone-cold coincidence.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, it is either a coincidence that is incredibly frustrating and, uh, almost, uh,
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what would I say, in, in retrospect, like,
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divine.
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Mm-hmm.
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It is that level of, like, "Oh, really? We're doing th- Is it also the anniversary of the
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day Triumph of the Will was released?"
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Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
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How bad are we gonna go with this being a coincidence
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before we go, "Oh, there's a prime mover of the universe"?
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I also regret, right now, just in this moment-
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Well-
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... not looking up Letterboxd reviews-
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(laughs)
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... of Triumph of the Will. (laughs)
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(laughs)
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It's, like, gonna be great.
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Because I bet there's some good stuff in there.
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I bet there's some good ones, yeah.
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So there's, um, there's really an underlying theme that goes throughout Tucker's speech,
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uh, that he's really trying to enforce, and that is,
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"You're not weird.
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You're cool."
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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S- so, so if I understand correctly,
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Tucker Carlson is telling people that they're cool and-
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... those people are not giving him a swirly, they are believing him.
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They're like... Yeah, because they're, they're
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self-conscious, I guess, about the world thinking that they're weird.
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All right.
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And he's reassuring them.
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Well...
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It will be a moral victory the size of which I never thought I would live to see.
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And it's essential, it is so important that that happens
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for a couple of reasons, and here's what they are. The first is to s-
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to dissolve for all time for the world to see
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the primary lie about Donald Trump, which is that only freaks and misfits like him.
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That's a lie.
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And they've been telling that lie since the second he came down that escalator nine years ago.
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If you like that, there's something wrong with you.
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You're the only person you know who likes that. You're a freak. Be ashamed.
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Do not talk about Donald Trump in public, don't wear hi- wear his
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dangerous little red hat, and if you're in the media, how dare you speak to him?
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And that was a lie from day one. It was a big lie.
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So, this is really strange messaging.
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We need to win the election so you all don't feel like you're being
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judged for your political beliefs. We have to win so you
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realize you're normal. (laughs) This thing is kind of thin because
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Trump won in 2016 and Tucker and all his dipshit friends insist he won in
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2020, so I don't see what him winning again would prove in terms of this moral victory.
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Trump won in 2016 and the establishment and the mainstream wasn't
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forced to accept that all his fans were the normal ones.
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That didn't happen then and it won't happen if he wins this year, because he's cultivated a fan
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base that's intensely hostile, believes complete
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bullshit, and operates almost entirely on promises of punishing people for imaginary grievances.
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If Trump wins, all these folks can raise a glass of
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champagne in celebration like they did at InfoWars in 2016, but that
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won't change the fact that they're part of a very
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unhealthy and upsetting subculture. That's not gonna change.
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Yeah.
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It re- uh, it, here's what it may make, it makes me think of this. I think, uh, I was reading something about how
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the Dodgers this year were like, "Oh, we're, we just
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came out with this attitude of, like,
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nobody believes in us and they don't think we can
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do it! And that..." And it's like, you literally have the most money
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spent on the best players on your team.
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Mm-hmm.
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Everyone believed in you, because that's how money works. When you put all the money into the thing, like,
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we believe that Trump could win. He's already won. That's how it works.
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Mm-hmm. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And, and promising you some feeling of being normal or, like, everyone will have to look at you like a normal-
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No! You remember how it was when he was president before and everybody was, like, just on
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edge, kind of angry all the time? Even you, for no reason?
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It's such a, it's such a strange thing to be like, "Yeah,
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I understand, like, I'll lower your taxes or whatever."
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Right?
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"I understand that kind of thing, but I will make you feel normal!" (laughs)
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Give me shit! Whatever happened to give me shit? Why is making me feel normal even available as an option?
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So, these, uh, the left and everybody who's against Trump, they can only uphold their lies by force.
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Ugh!
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It was a big lie.
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It was January 6th is an insurrection! What?
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It's the kind of lie that they tell relentlessly, they punish anyone who contradicts the lie,
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because it is so preposterous it can only be upheld through force.
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And in the last three months, we have seen that lie
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dissolve like the Wicked Witch of the West under a bucket of water.
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Look around.
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Is this a room full of freaks and misfits? No it's not. This is a room full of
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people who love their country enough to obey its laws,
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who sincerely believe in its founding precepts, who pay their taxes, who go to work,
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the ever-shrinking percentage of Americans who work a 40-hour week, who expect nothing from the system
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and who have given their lives for the system, who were born in this country and plan to die
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here. And they're the most mistreated group
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in this nation, and they're also the biggest group in this nation.
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Wait, what?
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They're not some weird subculture of MAGA.
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They're America itself!
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So, this is fun, but it's kind of dumb. It's just, like, red meat pandering to the... And it's meant to
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reassure the audience. He's asking if this is a room full of weirdos and he's speaking after RFK, Jr.
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If RFK, Jr. has just normalized to the point where his
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presence on a speakers list doesn't seem strange, then there's no standard for who is and is not a weirdo.
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How many more headless bodies do we find in Central Park
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that are a mystery for decades, only to be revealed to be the fucking masterminded plan of former
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goddamn presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.?
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But it was funny.
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It-
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It was a prank.
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It was good.
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We are in a room full of weirdos.
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But you can see how this all comes back to, like, these feelings of aggrievement. It's
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all aggrievement and reassurances that you aren't
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weird for wanting to ban reproductive healthcare and make it illegal
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to wear certain clothes depending on what Tucker feels your gender is. It's all
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just horse shit. But, like, I think that there's, there's something so
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interesting about this relationship to weird. Because, like,
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it's... The difference is exclusive versus inclusive weird.
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Sure.
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You know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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Like, you know, Pink has a song where, you know, Raise Your Glass If You're Wrong In All The Right Ways.
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Sure.
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It's about, it's about expanding, like, yeah, we all have some weirdness in us.
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Sure, sure.
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It's, it's normal to be weird, let's, let's enjoy it.
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Right.
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They
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have a, um,
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a, an, an, a keeping people out version of weirdness. They have an exclusion.
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They're interested in upholding the normal.
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Sure.
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As opposed to, uh, expanding.
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Yeah. Yeah. They're, uh... I mean,
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here's the thing, here's the thing about it, right? If you are one of those people
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who is in their world of believing the things that they believe, and then you watch other
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people like you and I having fun and being cool-
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Mm-hmm.
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... uh, and going out and doing fun stuff, well, then
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it doesn't seem like it's a very good idea to stay with the weird, uh, losers over there, right?
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So then the people are like, "Oh, well, we could be like them, or let's kill them."
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Mm-hmm.
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So that's how you get weird losers who wanna kill you.
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Yeah.
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Just for having fun!
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And then they need the most important man in the world
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to come on stage and reassure them about how they're not weird.
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Well, it doesn't make any sense if you stop and think about it.
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Nope.
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It makes no sense.
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They're America itself!
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And the only people who are denying that are the freaks and the misfits who it turns out are themselves
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a tiny, bizarre minority. Occults-
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Who are we talking about exactly at this point?
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... who have controlled the rest of us-
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Is that us still?
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... through fear and aggression.
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And that has ended.
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And it has ended thanks to the heroic stand that a couple
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of individuals have taken, first among them Elon Musk.
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(laughs)
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Elon Musk, who single-handedly saved
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the First Amendment to the Constitution, which, let me remind you, is not just a
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feature of America, it's the basis of America.
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It's the First Amendment for a reason. It's what separates the free from the enslaved.
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Slaves are not allowed to say what they think; free men have God-given right to do so and will.
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And this is the only country on Earth in which that is guaranteed.
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And without Elon Musk it wouldn't be, because he stands alone as the owner of the media platform
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that is still open. There's only one, and it's X.
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It's foreign-born Elon Musk.
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And then for him to come out... And by the way, just for the record, I've taken not a dollar
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from Elon Musk, okay? It's not a paid advertisement, it's just an observation.
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Okay, I'm convinced. (laughs)
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Wow.
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Since you needed to say that, that means it must be true.
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I am so, like, convinced of the, like, up and up-ness of this that, like, it just seems above board.
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Hey, if I was at a political rally and I didn't immediately mention that a single
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lone figure who is, of course, a billionaire and at odds with the very concept-
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And, and, and I make millions posting my show too per year-
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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... uh, on his social media website that he owns, specifically-
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Right.
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... to, you know,
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try and-
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Right.
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... get right-wing people elected.
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But it's ju- No, but you're, e- c- now I, you're making it sound bad.
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Mm-hmm.
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What it is, is it's just nice to see a man get a hand job in public.
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(laughs)
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For free.
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For free.
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(laughs)
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(laughs)
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Oh my God.
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(laughs)
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So anyway, Elon Musk is on your side.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So how could you be weird?
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And when you see the richest man on planet Earth stand up there in a T-shirt, start jumping around on stage-
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(cheering)
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... he's also one of the biggest federal contractors.
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You've all lost your minds.
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People say, "Oh, he's got F-you money." No, it's just the opposite. There is no such thing as
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F-you money. The more money you have, the more vested you are.
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There's only F-you poverty, actually, is the truth.
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What?
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And Elon Musk has-
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Fuck you! (laughs)
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... forced me into being a living American by taking the position that he did, and he did it anyway.
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(applause)
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And so what's the message?
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If the person who's created the most, not just piles of cash, he's not Larry Fink, he's not worshiping money
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like our finance class, he's building things. And if
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that guy is for Donald Trump, and not only not ashamed of it, he's jumping around in a
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T-shirt, I can see his belly button, he's so excited-
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(laughing)
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(applause)
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...
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then maybe I'm not alone. Maybe I'm not the freak.
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(cheering)
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Maybe it's the... Maybe what you're really watching
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is the tyranny of MSNBC.
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Wh-
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I'm not reassured here.
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I don't even, uh, I genuinely don't understand how these words connect to each other in, in a real way.
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What, what would you like me to clarify?
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Okay.
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How,
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in any way, is Elon Musk jumping up and down and, quote unquote, "not worshiping money," like Larry Fink-
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Mm-hmm.
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... uh, uh, evidence
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of,
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I, I guess, anything?
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Um, it's evidence that you're not weird, because he's the richest person in the world, and he's not weird.
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That makes no sense. From what I know of any outliers, such as
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the most blank of anything in the world, they're by de- def- definition, weird.
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Yeah, and then you kind of have everything that Elon Musk's ever done.
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It's weird.
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It's very weird stuff.
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It's so strange.
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Yeah. He seems like perhaps one of the strangest people who's ever lived.
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Maybe damaged in a way that is unbroken and non-fixable.
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Right. In the same way that you talk about, like, uh, you know, if RFK Jr. wasn't, uh, completely bizarre-
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Right.
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... it would be a mystery.
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I don't-
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Same kind of thing with Musk.
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Yeah, I don't blame him for being weird. I blame
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all of us for allowing him to become the richest man in the world.
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Yeah.
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He could be great as any other number of things.
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Society enables, uh-
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Yeah.
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... certain things. (laughs) I mean-
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Yeah.
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Um, so he's not weird 'cause he's the richest guy in the world, and he has
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business contracts with the government that he presumably would lose if Trump wins, which is not
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accurate. He would probably stand to benefit a
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lot, especially considering Trump is talking about putting him in charge of
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cutting government programs, which I imagine he's not gonna cut his own-
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Uh, no, I think-
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... uh, subsidies and, and stuff.
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No, that's how you prove that it's, uh, you're above it.
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Right.
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You know, you have to take care, you have to cut your own stuff first to prove to everyone
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that what you mean is true, you know. Like, so if you buy a website to maintain a perfect free speech with,
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you know, all that stuff, then the first thing
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you have to do is make sure that speech that you don't agree with personally
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is featured prominently and is, is, you don't just-
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Deeply protected.
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You don't just, like, ban people who say things that you don't wanna hear all the time.
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Nah.
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Um, I, I think that, um, the argument is silly, because also it relies on this, like,
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"No, no, no, you're not weird. That's CNN, that's MSNBC-"
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Yeah.
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"... that's weird, that's telling you that you're wei-..." Like,
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I don't know, I don't know if people care that much about MSNBC.
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I don't-
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I don't know.
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I don't feel affected by it in my judgment of,
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uh, Elon Musk or Tucker's behavior.
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No. No.
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I, I can just sort of, uh, free, free associate this thing.
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It's a wild bit of
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fucking judo-
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Mm-hmm.
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... whenever you can get from F-you rich to F-you poor, like,
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"Hey, hey, hey, hey, you know that thing that's very obvious, rich people are ruining your lives? Wrong."
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Mm-hmm.
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"It's poor people. The you."
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The only people who are truly free in a way that they can throw curveballs is the poor.
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Is the starving.
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(laughs)
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Yeah. Wow.
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So, uh, MSNBC, they're the ones, they're the ones who are scamming and telling you you're weird.
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But it's an illusion. It's the Wizard of Oz.
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And once you pull back the curtain, the only
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thing back there is Joe Scarborough, you're like, "Wait a second."
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(laughing)
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"Why am I taking orders from this guy? He's a freak. I'm a normal person."
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(cheering)
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And that realization has settled on this country,
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on the whole country, and you feel it. People are not afraid anymore,
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at all.
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(cheering)
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I've got a bunch of kids I texted them the other day, "I'm gonna go speak at a Trump rally."
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My kids,
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"You go?"
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(cheering)
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I said, "Do you know any, do you have a lot of friends who are voting for
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Carmella," or whatever her name is. "No,
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of course not. That's embarrassing."
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So Tucker pronounced Kamala's name correctly earlier in the speech. This is literally just him
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h- calling her Carmella to be a little racist.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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He's fully aware of what he's doing, but the audience loves
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it, and if he's called racist for it, he can just do his little, "You're too sensitive," dance-
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Yeah.
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... and then keep insisting that he's normal.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I wonder how much Tucker actually thinks anyone is, like, taking orders from Joe Scarborough.
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Uh, but
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I imagine it's less than he thinks.
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I mean, word salad is, is a delicious dish that I do not want right now.
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Mm-hmm.
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I would prefer word salad to be, uh, gone.
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I, I hate to, like,
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I just, I feel like this is so dumb-
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Yeah.
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... but also so angry.
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Yeah.
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Like, every single word is dripping in this anger.
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While at the same time being hidden behind a childish shrieking laugh.
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(laughs)
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like an evil pixie from a, uh, like, if he was-
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A laugh that is very real and natural.
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In, in, in 100% honesty, if after the election it is revealed that Tucker
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Carlson is actually Pucker Carlson,
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that would make sense.
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Um-
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Puck the
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demon.
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Oh, I-
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Midsummer Night's Dream.
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I thought you meant the guy from the Real World.
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No. No, no, no, different.
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Or Apple Pucker, that, uh, Schnapps-
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Fair enough. (laughs)
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Uh... So anyway, he goes on talking about, uh, who is and is not weird. Um, (laughs) and I just think he's mad.
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We're just listing who the, the hot or not... We're just doing hot or not.
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Kind of.
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Great. Cool.
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And then it, and then it's, it becomes a little bit too clear that he's really just mad about immigration.
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Mm.
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It has flipped.
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The story the country tells itself about reality has flipped.
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None of the normal people are supporting the Democratic machine.
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Tim Walz is supporting the Democratic machine.
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(cheering)
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A man you would never allow to babysit your own children. That's the archetype.
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(cheering)
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It's the party of weirdos,
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of envy, of hate, of resentment, of bitterness, of weakness,
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of a total lack of creativity. It's a party of conformity.
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It's a party of the machine, where it doesn't matter who the candidate is, because
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individuals are immaterial. All that matters is the collective. That's the Soviet model.
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And opposing them is the rest of the country, slowly waking up to the fact that these people
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have no moral authority whatsoever, they have no legitimacy in a democracy
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where the government must rule by the consent of the governed. They have no consent.And the
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way that they've treated this country over the past four
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years is the most shocking thing I've ever seen in 55 years.
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To allow millions of people, mostly young men with no skills and no English, into our country illegally,
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and then fly them around at our expense and give them
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phones and put them on welfare programs that no American citizen
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can get? (crowd cheers)
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It is the most insulting-
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Yeah, boo.
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But it's worse than boo. That's the biggest crime
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in the history of the United States of America. (crowd cheers) And it takes incredible,
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it takes incredible stones, i- incredible gall
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for the people who did that to stand up there on a stage and give you a lecture about how you're immoral.
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It's too much.
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It's too much.
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So Tucker is somewhat right that the story we're telling ourselves has changed.
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The old story that we told ourselves wasn't totally accurate, and there are a lot of voices that were missing
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from it, but there have been people genuinely working toward making that story that we tell ourselves
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more true to reality, not just the subjective reality
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that you might want to choose to live in, and that's really the issue with the narrative
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flip that Tucker is talking about. He, and like the people in his
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community, they've changed some of the fundamentals about the story, but they
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haven't improved it or made it more close to reality.
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They've just distorted certain bits and made up complete
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fictions in order to prop up the story that they want to tell, which is the story of
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my view of the world as the natural order, and all public policy should adhere to that.
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Tucker likes to pretend that he's had to put up with so much because
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it's the only way to rationalize the very severe things he wants Trump to do should he get into power.
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There's no way to justify his desires while still pretending to care about the rule of
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law or balance of power, so it's critical that he insists Trump is responding to the greatest problem ever,
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and if he needs to do a little more than a president normally should be able to, that's what he needs to do, man.
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We're the normal ones, and the weird people won't let us be
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normal and there are too many immigrants, so we're probably gonna have to
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just look the other way while Trump advocates for and does a ton of stuff
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that we pretend to be philosophically opposed to. It's the only way we're gonna get to be normal.
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They won't let us.
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Hey, I mean, uh, you know what? You just gotta let your candidate do all the horrible
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stuff that you don't want them to do because if you don't, then the other candidate's gonna win.
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Mm-hmm. So he, he, uh, they hide behind this a bit, this idea of like, "We're so nice. We've been so tolerant."
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So tolerant.
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"So tolerant for so long."
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What's crazy is how tolerant they have been.
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The tr- uh, so tol-
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So tolerant.
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Oh. Just a pillar of tolerance.
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Weird how tolerant.
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And so that's the second important thing about this election. Okay? The first
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is every person in this room needs to understand you are not in a despised minority.
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You are in an incredibly gentle and tolerant majority
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who put up with this crap for way too long.
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(crowd cheers) As they insulted not only you, but the memory of your ancestors who died for this country.
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They tore down statues to their memory. People have never built anything in their lives.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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They went out of their way to humiliate you and spit on you
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and the graves your ancestors... And that's not an exaggeration. They did that.
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And the ma- this country is so nice, it's so polite, it's so thoughtful and empathetic and sweet.
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It's the kind of country that loves dogs and gives directions to strangers, that we put up with it
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for four years.
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But we can't anymore.
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(crowd cheers) We just can't.
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Just can't.
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Super important for Tucker to make sure that the audience feels normal, and also that they feel like
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they're the victims who are just so nice and they've put up with so
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much for so long. He needs to repeat these
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premises over and over again, because if he doesn't, it's pretty hard to
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justify what he wants Trump to do as president. Every
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murderer at least tries to pretend that their actions were done in self-defense because
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as a society, we understand that killing someone is
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wrong, but that there are circumstances where you're left with no choice.
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Tucker wants to advocate for the political equivalent of
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murder, something that everyone should understand is
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wrong, and in order to do that, it's critical that he pretend that it's b- just being done in self-defense
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and, uh, everybody's on the hook. Uh, they have all agreed to this premise.
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Yep.
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It's, uh, I, I promise that this is frustrating and annoying, but there is a payoff.
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All right.
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You're stewing a little bit today. (laughs)
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I'm, no, I'm fine. It's great to listen to Tucker Carlson lie.
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Well-
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That's one of my favorite things to do. (laughs)
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Well,
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look, so we gotta listen to somebody lie. (laughs)
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That's fair. That is fair. That is kind of our lives.
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So we just can't put this up, put up with this stuff any longer.
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No.
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And there's a couple of reasons.
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Sure.
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And the first, justice.
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Okay.
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Wait, for who?
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The first reason that we can't put up with it for one more minute
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is because
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it's just not justice.
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No, it's not.
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It's not. It's not justice.
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Shut up.
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It's unfair.
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Sir.
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You cannot reward the most parasitic, useless, violent, nasty, aggressive people in your country.
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You can't make them the richest. You just can't. It's just wrong.
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In a fair, decent country, the people who work the hardest, who have the highest level of talent, who are the
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most creative, who are the most decent to their neighbors, who give the biggest
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tips to waitresses, those people should be successful. Those people should be revered.
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(crowd cheers) It shouldn't be Larry Fink. Are you joking?
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Kamala Harris shouldn't have a job.
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She has no skills. How did we wind up with a
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system where Kamala Harris, she couldn't change the tire on your truck, much less drive it?
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How did she wind up at the top of the pyramid?
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And then once she's there, she lectures you like you did something. It's too much. You can't allow that.
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It's an offense against the truth, against reality, and against justice itself.
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So far, really, the only things that Tucker has said that he thinks, uh, uh,
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like, uh, is that there's too much immigration and he doesn't like it when people make him feel weird.
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I'm not totally sure what the horrible abuse of
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justice is that he's talking about, but if I use some context clues, I start to have some ideas.
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It seems that Tucker believes that decent people should be rich.
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That's cool, but I'm not sure how Trump or conservatism as a whole connects to that.
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It's really easy to just point at Larry Fink and say that he
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shouldn't be rich, but what specific
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laws has he broken to accumulate his wealth that you think he should be charged with? Or what laws do you think
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Trump will pass in order to address this
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out of control wealth accumulation? Do you actually even care about that? Or is this just whining? (laughs)
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This isn't about justice. It's about throwing a tantrum, and you can kind of tell with the insults about
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Harris. Why shouldn't she have a job?
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I get that you don't l- want her to be president and, you know, you might,
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like, think that she sucks, but like, she's a qualified lawyer. She has the ability to have a job.
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It's fine to not like her or not wanna vote for her, but to say that she's unqualified for any job
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is kind of stupid. Similarly stupid to be like the president is the top of the pyramid.
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Well, I mean, it's just repurposed prosperity gospel.
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Sure.
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It's the same, it's the same exact thing, you know? Like,
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you're the people who sow, so the money
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should be coming to you, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The... You know.
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It's the exact same thing repurposed politically, and these people believe in both, genui- generally.
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But it's so silly to see it in a political context because, like-
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Well-
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... when, when, when the rubber hits the road, like w- when, you know-
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Sure.
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... you have to deal with reality-
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Sure.
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... what would you like to see happen?
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Sure.
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I understand the prosperity gospel
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feelings and, and shit, but that's not like putting laws into effect. That's-
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I mean, it's more important than putting laws into effect. It's God's law. I, I find,
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I find the prosperity gospel sillier as a gospel than I do-
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Hmm.
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... as a political strategy.
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Hmm.
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And you know, it almost makes more sense as a political strategy
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'cause at least at the end of it, supposedly you get something. (laughs) As opposed to like,
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"Well, the other guy won't get in." (laughs)
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... all very strange.
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It is. Hey, listen, I'm not a fan of gospels.
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So Tucker's first point there is about this idea that things should be fair, which is
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nice, but it falls apart when he gets to the second reason that we can't put up
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with Trump not being king any longer.
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And the second reason you can't allow it is very
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familiar to anyone who has children, which is if you allow it, you will encourage more of it.
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Yeah!
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If you allow
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people to get away with things that are completely over the top and outrageous, if you allow your-
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Don't do this, man.
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... two-year-old to smear the contents of his-
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You're gonna make me really angry.
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... diapers on the wall of your living room-
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You are the person.
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... and you do nothing about it, if you allow your 14-year-old to light a joint at the breakfast table,
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if you allow your hormone-addled 15-year-old daughter to, like, slam the
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door of her bedroom and give you the finger, you're gonna get more of it.
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And those kids are gonna wind up in rehab.
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It's not good for you and it's not good for them. No.
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There has to be a point at which dad comes home.
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(cheering)
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So I feel like in any ordinary situation, someone would say something like this and it would
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ruin them (laughs) . It's so embarrassing and reveals such a deep-seated internal
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conflict that Tucker wants to enforce on the rest of us, that it's
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very hard to believe that this is something he meant to say and is on message.
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Tucker views the world in a particular
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way, or at least he's currently pretending to in order
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to accommodate the only audience he has available to him. This
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viewpoint is basically that the country is a household and God's the
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dad and we're all his children. There's probably a mom somewhere, but
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she's not important, something that's very
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reflective of his underlying politics. Everything has now come down to this firm
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black-versus-white, good-versus-evil dichotomy, so
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for the sake of simplicity, let's just imagine that there's two
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children. One is represented by Tucker and the folks who
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he's insisting are super normal, and the other is the rest of us, people who support access
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to reproductive rights, civil rights, and don't think that immigration is a white genocide plot. As
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kids, we're going about our lives as we see fit, and
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Tucker really thinks that we should be punished for our positions. His view of what dad's rules say
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are that we should be spanked, so he's yelling and
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whining about how we're getting away with all this stuff that dad says that we shouldn't do.
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He really wants dad to punish us, so much so that he's helped create a political cult
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around a guy who he's dressed up like dad, so he can show up and
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punish people, which Tucker can then claim is an act of holy justice.
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This has nothing to do with politics.
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Tucker is just a super fucked up dude who's acting out on a massive stage, whining about how his metaphorical
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sibling doesn't follow his imaginary rules.
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This is so embarrassing. And like, we talked about this when I went to the
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Pennsylvania rally, 'cause some of this theme came up.
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Yeah.
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But it's shocking that this is something that's like... I'm gonna say this more than once.
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No, I like it.
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(laughs)
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I like it. I'm, uh, 'cause I, I no longer, uh, uh, we no longer live in the, like, uh,
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liminal space or ambiguity, ambiguous space.
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Mm-hmm.
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This is ape shit.
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Yes (laughs) .
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This is ape shit. Like... And I mean that in a literal, like, th- this is i- uh, how dare you-
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Well, it's both.
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Uh, uh, yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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It's both. How dare you disagree with the theory of evolution? Look at these monkeys.
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(laughs)
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What is, what else is there to say?
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Dropped by dad!
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Yeah, exactly.
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(laughs)
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No, that makes, it makes sense because what we should be doing is like
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hammering nuts and putting ants on sticks and having a little snack.
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Mm-hmm.
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That's what we are. Okay? So this makes sense.
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H- Yeah, I guess. Uh, I, I aspire for slightly above this, but-
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I do too, but you know what? I'm tearing my
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shirt off and beating my chest with my fists because I can't handle this bullshit anymore.
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(laughs)
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This nerd needs to go down from a giant ape or whatever the fuck is supposed to happen.
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It sounds like you just need dad to come home.
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No! I wanna beat the shit out of him!
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(laughs)
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I wanna... Fine, I'll be your dad! I will hit you!
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(laughs)
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Dear Tucker Carlson, I will hit you.
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(laughs)
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I will hit you very hard, I promise you.
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You're not gonna like this next clip, where he talks about what happens when dad comes home.
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Oh, my God.
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Yeah, that's right.
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(cheering)
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Dad comes home.
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(cheering)
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Why are you cheering? What is wrong with all of you? Free yourselves!
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And he's pissed.
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(laughs)
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Free yourselves!
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He's not vengeful.
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He loves his children.
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(yelling)
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Disobedient as they may be, he loves them.
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Because they're his children, they live in his house.
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But he's very-
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That's not a reason!
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... very upset at their behavior. And he's gonna have to let them know.
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Yes!
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He's gonna have... "Get to your room right now."
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Yeah!
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And think about what you did.
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Yeah!
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And when dad gets home, you know what he says?
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You've been a bad girl.
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(laughs)
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You've been a bad little girl and you're getting a vigorous spanking right now.
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(cheering)
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And no, it's not gonna hurt me more than it hurts you. No, it's not. I'm not gonna lie.
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But it's gonna hurt you a lot more than it hurts me.
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And you earned this.
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You're getting a vigorous spanking because you've been a bad girl.
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(cheering)
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And it has to be this way.
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It has to be this way 'cause it's true, and you're
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only gonna get better when you take responsibility for what you did.
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That's not said in the spirit of hate.
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It's not said in the spirit of
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vengeance or bigotry. Far from it. It's said in the spirit of justice,
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which is the purest and best thing there is.
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So this was a part of the speech where
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it felt like Tucker was getting into it a little too much. The audience responded to the dad's home line
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really well, so I think he spent a little more time than he intended to on the
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spanking and calling us bad little girls (laughs) . There's one
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aspect of that that's just off-putting to hear, but there's so
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much going on in that moment that the surface-level bizarreness masks some deeper problems.
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The first is the way that initially,
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Tucker is getting into it as the crowd is cheering, and he says that dad's home and he's pissed.
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He says that because that's the energy that Trump's movement has.
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Tucker has already said that they've put up with too much for too long.
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The desire to punish is largely motivated by a desire for payback, but Tucker knows that that's a
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really ugly face to put forward, so he immediately has to start qualifying how dad is pissed.
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It's not about vengeance, it's a justice thing, blah, blah, blah.
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The excitement of saying these things to a cheering crowd got the
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best of him, and he sort of slipped, uh, that he wants a rage-filled dad impersonator to punish us, because
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Tucker would find that validating.
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The second thing is that this conception of the relationship between person and government is pathetic.
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Tucker and his ilk have spent decades complaining about the nanny state, and now he wants the dad state.
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He wants a parental relationship with the
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state where it spanks you for your own good when you break dad's laws.
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We've been over this a little bit in the past
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because this isn't the first time Tucker has expressed this, but it's definitely the most explicit so far.
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In moments like this, it's hard not to see the complete
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fraud that he is perpetrating, and the intense disrespect he has for this audience.
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Tucker does not want justice, where the state is the dad and everyone's punished when they break the rules.
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Tucker is one of the children in this scenario, but dad's rules are mysteriously
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exactly how he thinks the world should work.
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That's the unspoken detail in this whole thing that he's leaving out.
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There is no dad. There's just someone that Tucker has helped enlist to pretend
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to be dad, in service of handing out punishments based on the
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rules that Tucker thinks dad has, which are the basis of his ideas of natural order.
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This is, without exaggeration, one of the dumbest and most childish things
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I've ever heard someone on Tucker's level of fame and influence
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say publicly, to the point where I thought it was a prank.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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I did not think there was any way this was serious.
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Yeah. Yeah, it's fascinating too, because if you follow his own logic as to
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w- how he's to get his natural order-He recognizes something very important.
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Hmm.
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Which is that, in the natural order that he himself desires, no one will ever treat him with respect.
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Mm-hmm.
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Because he is not your dad. He's not very dad-like at all. In fact, he's a weird little loser.
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Yes, he is.
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So what he needs is somebody to tell you about-
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Mm-hmm.
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... to enact the things, because if he were to follow his own natural order, we would crush him like ants.
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Right. I mean-
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Yeah.
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... it's like, uh, uh, well, I don't know. My mind immediately went to Bray Wyatt, because-
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(laughs)
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... like, when he shows up with the lantern-
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Yep.
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... he's like, "We're here."
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Yep.
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Not, "Dad's here."
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Nope.
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Or whatever.
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Nope.
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There's no way Tucker could strike any kind of fear into someone by
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being like, "I'm, I'm here and I'm gonna lay down the law."
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Not gonna happen.
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No, you're not.
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Nope.
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Dweeb.
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No, you are not. You are a little loser.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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Just point to your-
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You're a rich little punk-
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(laughs)
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... wearing fucking frilly shorts.
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So, uh, he complains a little bit about, uh, Kamala here.
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Sure.
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And I, I think that, um,
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he accidentally, uh, overshadows his racism with misogyny here.
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Oh, nice.
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To the point where you might forget, uh, that he was being racist to begin with.
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Good, good.
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The Democratic Party machine, and notice I'm not
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beating up on Kamala Harris, who's just a hapless victim who happened to
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be there in the right color, so they grabbed her.
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Tim Walz, they needed some, you know, whatever, wh- whatever Tim Walz is.
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(crowd cheers)
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They needed a weak man,
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because it is the party of weak men and unhappy women.
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(crowd cheers)
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One of which leads to the other, by the way.
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Where you find weak men, you will inevitably find unhappy women. Sorry.
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And they make them-
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My wife.
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... on purpose, they weaken the men to drive the women insane to have the most consistent voting bloc
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ever in the history of politics, unhappy women made unhappy by weak men, but it could be anybody.
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So in less than a minute, Tucker said some pretty
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fucked up things that reveal how his brain works in upsetting ways. First
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off, he said that Harris was chosen because she's the right color, which he moved past into misogyny
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so fast you might not have, uh, you know, remembered.
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That's insanely fucked up and kind of reveals that he thinks that anyone who could possibly
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be considered for positions of power who aren't white don't really deserve that consideration.
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Then he starts complaining about Tim Walz, who's apparently a weak man.
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I'm not sure exactly what this is based on, but if we just follow the train of
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thought, this is the Democratic ticket, because Harris is an unhappy woman who's the right
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color and, uh, Walz is a weak man. This leads into Tucker expounding on how
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Democrats are weak men and unhappy women and one creates the other. If you're a weak man, which is
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not very specifically defined here,
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you'll make the women around you unhappy, because secretly, there's
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nothing a woman likes more than a man who doesn't respect her as a person. These are the thoughts of a
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very normal person on stage reassuring this audience that they are the normal ones.
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I, uh, just, but I mean, to be clear though, that's, that's Bible shit.
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Mm-hmm.
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He's doing Bible stuff. That's what most people believe. (laughs)
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Most people believe, most people wind up believing some version of the, like,
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"Oh, the man should be the head of the household," stuff, and the people who's, you know...
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That's, that's where that comes from. He's weaponizing it.
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Mm-hmm.
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But, I mean, that's not, that is not a weird belief for a lot of people.
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It's a weird belief to, uh, try and, uh,
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legislate by.
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It is. I mean, you know, that's kind of how we got where we are, though.
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Uh, yeah, maybe.
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Too many people have that weird belief and share it, and to the detriment of
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things that they may otherwise believe are good.
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Well, I think that
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b- having the belief is not necessarily the problem.
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It's imposing that belief into public spaces. And I think that you could have, um,
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a number of people who have misogynistic personal, uh, views
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who could, uh, in theory legislate decently if they could, you know, be self-aware and
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not engage in that in terms... I don't know. Uh, it's hypothetical.
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(laughs)
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Look, the point is-
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(laughs)
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... we're coming to the end of this speech.
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Yeah.
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And I don't think,
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no matter what they pull
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two weeks from now, 13 days from now,
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I don't think they can get away with standing
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up and being like, on MSNBC, "No, actually, uh, Kamala Harris is, uh, historically popular, it turns out."
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(crowd cheers) A woman who's never had a job, who can't even pronounce her own
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first name consistently, that's how false she is.
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(crowd cheers) Some woman who grew up in Montreal, Canada is lecturing me about
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America. Okay. I don't think they can do that, 'cause I don't think people are gonna sit back and take it.
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I don't.
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(crowd cheers) It's enough. It's enough.
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That's the point at which you say, "No. I'm sorry. I put up with this crap for a long time.
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I indulged your little fantasy." It's
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like when your teenage girl becomes a vegetarian
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and you're like, "Okay, that's, you know, well, okay, it's fine.
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No, I totally understand." You know, like, it's a phase.
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But if that phase goes on for nine years and includes destroying your major cities
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and allowing your country to be invaded
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by millions of foreigners with identities you don't know, and its
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purpose in this country is unclear, by the way, why shouldn't we feel threatened by that?
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If they go out of their way to crush families, to make it impossible for your kids to buy a house
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and getting involved in the sex lives of your children,
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which they are,
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if they do all of that, they need to lose.
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And at the end of all of it, when they tell you they've won, no.
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You can look them straight in the face and say, "I'm sorry, Dad's home
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and he's pissed." (crowd cheers) Thank you.
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So Tucker ended the speech with a build-up to and repetition of the
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"Dad's home and he's pissed" line, which really should
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signal that it's one of the important
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points he's trying to make. And also, I believe, if you're following his train of thought,
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that's your res- the response if Harris wins the election, is, "No, fuck you, Dad's home."
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I, I mean,
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it, based on what he said,
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that's your response should anybody win the election?
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I guess, but you're celebrating the dad's home if Trump wins.
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I guess.
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So it feels to me like there are two general theses.
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One, that Dad's home and he's mad, and that you should feel normal. Cool.
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So there was a part of me that considered not even
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bothering with covering this speech, because there's a
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bit of it that's clearly some trolling for attention.
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I think he was hoping the news outlets would call him a Nazi for the triumph of the human spirit stuff, and I'm
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sure he knew that people were gonna talk about the spanking stuff, so I would've just left it alone.
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But then there was more Tucker news this week, and I couldn't resist folding this all into one together.
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Okay, all right.
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So here was this guy who'd given this big speech at Turning Point USA's rally about how normal he is.
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Spank me, Daddy. Spank me.
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And all of the-
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Daddy, Daddy, spank me.
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All of these people are so normal.
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Daddy's home and he's gonna give me a spanking.
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So what should come out just a few days later?
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How about a video of Tucker Carlson talking about the time he was attacked by a demon?
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I'm sorry, what?
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Do you think-
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What?
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... the presence of evil
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is kickstarting people to wonder about the good?
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That's what happened to me.
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That's what happened to you?
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Oh, yeah. I had a direct, uh, experience with it.
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In the milieu of journalism or just-
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No, in my bed, at night, and I got attacked while I was asleep with my wife and
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four dogs in the bed and mauled. (dog barks)
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Physically mauled.
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No.
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Um-
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In a spiritual attack w- by a demon?
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Yeah, by a demon.
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(gunshot) Or by something unseen that left-
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Is that right?
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... uh, claw marks on my sides, on my-
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So it left physical marks?
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Oh, they're still there. Yeah, yeah.
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Wow.
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So if it wasn't clear before, it's now
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super obvious to me that Tucker Carlson is the most interesting and craven person in the entire
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media sphere. He's eclipsed any possible competition, and just before the
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election, a clip begins circulating of him walking in the woods, talking to a guy about he was,
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how he was attacked by a literal demon, or at least that's the only conclusion he's decided to accept
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about this experience that he's had.This isn't news to us, per se. Alex has said many
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times on air that Tucker got attacked by a demon, but he always tried to do
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so in a way that was pretending to protect the fact that Tucker told him this in confidence.
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It's been super clear that this was rooted in something that he'd told Alex, but it wasn't clear to me
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how much of this was lost in translation and
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how much of it was just Tucker being an opportunist and telling Alex what Alex wants to hear.
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Sure.
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If I'm to take anything he says in this clip seriously, Tucker Carlson is a
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lunatic zealot of the highest order.
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I reserve that to be a possible conclusion we come to, but I think it's also possible as an explanation,
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uh, for him coming out and discussing this demon attack, it, uh,
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he knows that he's passed the event horizon
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and there's no escaping the black hole that is this brand that he's created for himself. There's no
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sense in trying to maintain some air of respectability to the mainstream, it's just time to
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pack it in and become the prophet he's been pretending to not want to be. He's now a religious figure in the
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same way that Alex is a religious figure and they've made Trump a religious figure. If
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anything they say is to be believed, then these dudes, Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson, these two
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shithead right wing talk show blowhards
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require a new book of the Bible to be written. They're figures on the scale of
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Paul in terms of their importance to the conception of religious history, and I think it's
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kinda cowardly of them not to demand a new book.
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If you wanna play messiah games, don't give me this half measure shit. Do it. Change the religion.
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Anyway, this clip of Tucker was going around, but I didn't see a lot of context to it.
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Like many people were making jokes about how it must be a
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deepfake, 'cause there's no way that Tucker would say this
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kind of shit, he's such an idiot. Uh, but it is real.
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Uh, and it's in fact part of a publicity campaign for a new documentary film
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called Christianities, which explores the idea that there are
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wholly different Christianities that are forming in the world
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that share very little overlap with one another.
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I think it's a fair premise, and I would agree that there's a difference between Christianity and
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fundamentalist Christianity in the same way that there's a difference between
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any religion and its fundamentalist counterpart. So
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I have this thin agreement with the premise of the film without having
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seen it, but there's one thing that isn't really brought up in this clip
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which made me curious, which is, who's this guy that Tucker is talking to?
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Yeah.
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They're out in the woods, he's talking to some guy.
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Yeah.
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So this is a guy named John Heers, and he doesn't seem to be all that interesting, to be
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perfectly honest with you. If you watch the full
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trailer of the film, you kinda come away with the impression that he's a normal
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guy with some questions. He's a storyteller
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and he wants to explore, uh, what the word "Christian" means to different people.
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Great.
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However, if you do watch this trailer, you'll notice that the film is put out by
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Holy Wisdom Films, which doesn't seem like a very impartial kind of company name for a project like this.
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It's a little different.
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Holy Wisdom Films is a company that was created specifically
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for the sake of producing this documentary, and it's run by an Orthodox priest coincidentally named Father
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Peter Hiers. He's John Heers, the host of the documentary's brother.
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I think the idea of someone making a sincere,
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open-minded documentary about how the definition of what makes someone a Christian is, is an interesting
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idea. It's a subject that has a lot of relevance in the world today, so I don't begrudge the concept, but I
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think that this particular documentary looks a little shady.
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Looks like they're trying to present it as, uh, some kind of, you know,
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open minded exploration of the subject, but it's actually a thinly veiled piece of
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fringe extreme right wing Orthodox theology.
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I suspect that because Peter Hiers, the producer of the film and the brother of the host, is a
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major and controversial figure in the Orthodox world.
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One of the main selling points of the Orthodox Church is that they claim to
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follow the traditions rigidly. There are rules and structures that are followed, and by following them
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exactly, they claim that they've been able to maintain the same faith
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from the time of Christ. Since that's the premise, it's very weird that Father
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Peter Hiers doesn't have a bishop over him, which every
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other person in his position in the Orthodox Church does.
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That's strange, and should probably be a deal-breaker for being a leader in the whole
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tradition-based, uh, community. So he seems a little bit
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sketchy to me, but I'm not particularly interested in gatekeeping other
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people's religious hierarchies. That's their business.
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What is important now is that he's the producer of this documentary where Tucker talks to his brother
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about how he was attacked by demons.
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This is in the context of a film that's purporting to be an exploration of what it means to be a Christian.
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Incidentally, Peter has maintained a YouTube
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channel where he's posted videos about the Orthodox Church for at least the past seven years, and if you
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watch a couple of these videos, it should be super clear that he would never
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produce a film that asks the question, "What does it
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mean to be a Christian?" He would produce a film hosted by his brother with a pers- pretty
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specific answer to that question that he's
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trying to push. In fact, both of the brothers have been pretty clear in certain circles that this
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movie is their attempt to convert people to the Orthodox Church.
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But you know how some souls have contour, and
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if we could smell them, they have a certain smell, they have a certain
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sound?
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We're trying to illuminate the soul
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of
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Christ on Earth, of Christ's body on Earth, and through film.
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Now, that, we can't do it 'cause we're not, it's not
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sacramental in a sense, we're not offering it through the Church, but we're offering a (sniffs)
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a way to feel and sense that which is
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real without making it a polemic.
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Right.
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Does that make sense?
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Mm-hmm.
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You know, the, the,
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when people talk about how do you come
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and convert to Christ, to his body, to become a true Christian, that,
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that process is not mainly, although it's not
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irrational, it's not ma- mainly rational. In other words, it's not a rationalistic process.
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It's not a two and two is four process, right? It, it, if it's true
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and it's heartfelt, it's gonna be heartfelt. It's gonna be not sentimental,
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but
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not
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logical, but supra
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l-logical. It's gonna be intuitive, if you wanna use that word. It's gonna be, it's gonna be an encounter.
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So they'll say stuff like that in an interview with an Orthodox podcaster, but when they
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release the trailer for the film, it sounds more like this, which doesn't quite sound the same.
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What is a Christian?
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<foreign language> I kinda do this for a living. My name's
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John Heers, and this is our restaurant, and in this restaurant we throw this Georgian
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supra. It's a dinner, and it elicits all these toasts and ideas and emotions,
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and inevitably the question comes up,
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what is a Christian? An evangelist, a missionary, a martyr, a healer, a saint?
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What is the Church? A denomination? A building? An invisible body? What's Christianity?
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A religion, a way of life, a revolutionary
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political movement? There's a cultural moment happening right now where
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the old Christianity has died in many people's hearts, and yet
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if you drive around town, you see that it exists. Why is it so different from one place to the next?
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Shut your mouth, you.
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You know, what you see is not a single
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Christianity, but Christianities. You see a divided faith,
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divided by politics, by belief, by whatever. Are you driving by a museum or a social club or something else?
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What's inside all those buildings? Is there something for you there? Where is
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God, and if you knew where he was, would you wanna go?
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Is there a Christianity that's growing, or dare I ask,
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more true than others? We're gonna interview people from all over the world, and as we do,
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I wanna go on a journey with you guys and figure it out. Our goal is to investigate how
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people through the millennia, and right now, how they see Christianity.
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Let's figure out what's going on with all of these Christianities.
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(dramatic music plays)
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So that trailer might lead you to think that this was a
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sincere exploration of various forms of Christianity, not the brother of a
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fringe Orthodox priest pretending to be a neutral truth seeker
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in order to sell you on Orthodoxy being the only true Christianity.
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Do you think they're gonna go through this and find like, "Oh, you know what? Baptists are pretty cool too."
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I think so.
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(laughs) I think... yeah, it's probably.
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I think the Unitarian Church is the one.
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It's such a fraud, which only becomes more
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clear when you realize that Tucker is being interviewed in this documentary
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fully aware of who's making it and why.
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You know this because the film is directed by
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Scooter Downey, a dude who produced, uh, and worked for Tucker Carlson's show from 2021 to 2023.
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The surface story here is that Tucker's a
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fucking lunatic who believes he was attacked in the night by a demon, but the actual
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story is a little bit worse. Whether he believes it or not, Tucker is
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allowing this documentary to tell his story of being attacked by a
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demon as part of the media blitz for their
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film, which is a disingenuous and manipulative charade
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of exploring Christianity in service of promoting the Orthodox Church. But back to the Tucker
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story. He was attacked by a demon with claws while he was in bed with
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four dogs. These marks, that don't get shown in the clip,
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are still there, approximately a year and a half later. Tucker used the word mauled, which is pretty severe.
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Just based on human biology, if he still has these marks
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then it can't have been a superficial cut, which is also supported by this being called a mauling.
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This would have to be a really serious attack.
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He would have ended up in the hospital for sure after (laughs) something like this.
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Yeah.
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This is ridiculous.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, you know,
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one thing I think-
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Mm-hmm.
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... that is, uh, at the root of all the conversations happening right now b-
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between disinformation researchers and how useless they are, the conversation that they're not
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having is the most obvious one, which is
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that what they are doing is not actually r- addressing what is being talked about.
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Mm-hmm.
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They are
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not dealing with religion, 'cause there's no way for them to deal with religion.
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It's not possible-
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Right.
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... because you'll piss people off. So,
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until religion is dealt with in an adult way, it's
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just not gonna matter what people have to say about, "Oh, I v- I can prove this isn't real."
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Yeah, but Jesus says it is, so you lose. You're gonna lose. You lose to Jesus.
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Right.
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Sorry.
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But, but, you know, quote-unquote as you're putting it, "dealing with religion"-
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Yeah.
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... isn't eliminating religion, or-
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However, however anybody wants to deal with it, wherein we have to-
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Right, but you understand how that's g- how, what it's g- it's gonna sound like.
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I'm fine with that.
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Okay.
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However anybody wants to deal with it-
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Mm-hmm.
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... is gonna have to be dealt with.
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S-
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sure.
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I mean, u- or we're just gonna continue believing false things all the time.
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What do you suggest?
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Um, (sighs) if you believe in a religion, you have to adhere to the book.
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Hm.
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And if you don't adhere to the book, you don't say you believe in the religion.
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Okay.
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There you go.
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S- okay, so you, you ru- require
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essentially, like, real fundamentalist literal, uh, interpretations of holy texts.
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I don't require anything.
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Well-
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I don't want anything to do with it.
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Right.
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But if you wanna be religious-
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But you put forth this standard that you're gonna require of-
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Yes.
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... religious people.
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They'll, oh, that's the s- it's your standard.
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Mm-hmm.
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You're the one who wrote the book.
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Why?
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Because that's what you say.
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But why, why do you have t- wha- you know, some things are reinterpreted.
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Okay.
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E- even the book itself is based on-
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Well, then write your own book. Write your own book and do a new one, and then adhere to that one.
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Well, I mean, I definitely think that that's what Alex and Tucker need to do based on-
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See?
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... what they're up to.
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There you go.
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Mm-hmm.
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If you don't believe in Christianity, don't make a
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documentary about Christianity, just write your own book.
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Hm.
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I am not, I'm not sure, um, exactly how we, how we, uh,
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get to this place, and I don't know if
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what, the question that you're asking is actually
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the most important question we need to answer. (laughs) Um,
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w- w- I think, I think that, um, you know, in this sort of old-fashionedy
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understanding of the separation of church and state, I think we can get to a point
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where we're get closer to that. You know,
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don't legislate based on your religious shit.
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That's between, that's your business, it's not to be imposed on everyone else.
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Yeah, but part of a lot of people's religious shit is imposing it upon everybody else.
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Mm-hmm.
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So their business in that sense is they are required, they're called by God to impose it upon you.
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Mm-hmm.
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It's just, that's just how it's gonna go, you know? And I th- it's fine
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if that's how everybody wants it to be, but this is
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the results. Like, that's a religious ra- Tucker's rally is not a political rally, you're right.
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Mm-hmm.
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It is a religious revival.
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Yeah.
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So,
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what good is
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disinformation gonna do against a religious revival?
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Um, I-
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You know?
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I, I think that, uh, you can, you can still make inroads
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in terms of, you know, providing information to folks who can hear it.
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Sure.
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Um, and then I think that honestly dealing with it, uh, as
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i- as it is, uh, is a function of that disinformation, uh, monitoring and, and shit.
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You know, dealing with the, the, the reality and the descriptive
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nature of this that, like, this is a religious phenomenon that is happening.
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Sure, sure.
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This is, um, uh, I think that that's part of the responsibility.
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Sure, I agree.
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Um,
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so, uh, Tucker got attacked by a demon
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though. (instrumental music plays) D'you wanna hear more about that?
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Sure.
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All right, here's-
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Sure.
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Here's more from the trailer.
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I might.
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So, he left physical marks?
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Oh, they're still there, yeah, yeah.
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Year and a half ago.
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Was your wife terrified? I know you were.
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I wasn't, I was totally confused. I woke up and I
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was, couldn't breathe, and I thought I was gonna suffocate, and I walked around outside, and then-
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What?
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... I walked in, and my wife and dogs had not woken up, and they're
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very light sleepers. And then I had these terrible pains
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on my ribcage and on my shoulder, and I was just
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in my boxer shorts, and I went and flipped on the light in the bathroom, and I had
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cl- four claw marks on either side underneath my arms, and on my left shoulder, and they were bleeding.
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Wait, they, they were bleeding?
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They were bleeding, yeah. They were,
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they were actual claw marks. And I sleep on my side, (laughs) so I wasn't
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clawing myself. I don't have long nails.
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(laughs)
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Um, and they didn't fit my hands anyway, but yeah, that happened.
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So this story is full of holes.
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Wild.
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If this supposed claw mark, uh, and the claw marks
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th- uh, were on his body were bleeding, then they would have to be deep enough cuts, uh, to, uh,
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they're, he's saying that they're deep enough cuts to still be present
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18 months later? He would've been bleeding so much.
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He wouldn't have just had some kind of vague night
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terror, wander around a little bit and then realize, "Oh, what's this? I'm bleeding."
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This would be a life-threatening injury, or maybe
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Tucker's a bit of a bullshitter and he wants to impress this Orthodox friend of his
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to help promote his religious propaganda masquerading as a documentary. Some might suggest that
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maybe Tucker had a nightmare, and maybe one of the four
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dogs that were in bed with him clawed him at
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some point, and he had a scratch from that which he's now exaggerating out into this
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stupid story because he's very aware of how extremely religious his brand has gotten,
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and I think that's maybe Occam's razor telling me, uh...
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Might have a, uh, I mean, that's, that's presuming there needs to be a kernel of truth. Why?
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Mm-hmm.
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Why even bother with a kernel of truth?
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Make it up. I bled out from my armpits from a demon fight and then I was revived by God himself, goddammit!
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I would prefer that story.
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I would love that story.
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Yeah.
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I'll take that.
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I would honestly prefer that because it has less, um, like, places where logic can come into it.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I don't need-
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There's too many spots where it's like, hold on a second here.
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Hey now, stop it. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You're, y- 'cause it's, and it's, he's doing it to this person.
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Yes.
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And then he's doing it to us through this person.
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Yeah.
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This person credulously believes this bullshit, so we're not even allowed to go,
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"No, no, no, no, before you, before you even f- say another lying word outta your dumbfuck mouth."
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Look, this, this guy who's talking to him is thrilled because he's got Tucker Carlson telling-
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Of course.
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... this sensational-ass story that's gonna help him
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f- get the rest of the funding he needs to finish this documentary.
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Yep.
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So, (laughs) like, he's pumped.
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It is the most...
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... it is the wealthiest minutes of his life.
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Yes!
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Yeah.
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Yes!
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Yep.
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So, uh, Tucker talks a little bit more about this in, uh... He woke up the next
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morning and he thought it was a dream.
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So I, I don't... I'm not from a world where things like that
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happen. I'd never heard of anything like that happening before. I
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had no idea what that was. I knew it was spiritual immediately.
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You did? Okay, that was gonna be my question.
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Yeah. I, well, I don't understand to this day-
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Do, do you-
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... I'm not gonna put it more-
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Y- you didn't, you didn't try to
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refute the spiritual part in your own mind? It went, you went right into the idea?
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Well, it didn't make any sense and it doesn't now.
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Right.
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Um,
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so but I'm not from a, what do they call it? Faith tradition.
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Right.
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That, um, talks about things like that or even acknowledges their
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existence. Like, there's nothing like
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that. I've, I've never heard anybody say anything like that in my whole life.
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What was the next day like?
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Well, the next morning I woke up and I thought, "That was the weirdest dream I've ever had." And then
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I saw blood on my sheets and I realized that was not a dream at all.
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(laughs)
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I call my assistant, who was, like, the only evangelical person I know
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(laughs) I lost my virginity!
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... who was well enough to
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call with something bizarre like that, totally bizarre like that.
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And, uh, she said, "Oh yeah, no, no, no, that happens. Yeah, people are attacked in their bed by demons."
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Now-
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What? (laughs)
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What are you even talking about?
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(laughs)
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Yeah.
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So, I mean, I'm not
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leaving anything out.
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So one thing that's suspiciously absent from this story, of which Tucker has
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just said he's leaving nothing out, is him talking to a doctor or getting his mauling wounds tended to.
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This story makes no sense at all. He woke up in
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pain in the middle of the night, wandered around, and then he saw that he had multiple
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big claw marks on his body, which were bleeding.
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His wife and dogs have now woken up and there's blood in his bed but he just decides, "Oh
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well, I guess I'll go back to sleep."
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Nothing that he's ex- experiencing seems like an emergency to him, which is nuts.
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Despite the severe pain he's in, he apparently has no
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problem just getting back into bed like nothing (laughs) happened.
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So he wakes up the next morning, by which point
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you'd assume that he would've bled a shitload more into the bed.
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He would be covered in blood. His wife would be
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covered in blood. That bed was the site of a mauling in the
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night, but Tucker somehow wakes up and thinks to himself, "Well, maybe that was a dream."
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Despite the situation he must have been in, where he has open
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wounds all over his torso, is in terrible pain, his wife has been sleeping in a bloody
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bed, his dogs are probably terrified, he's still able to think the demon part was just a dream.
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This is fucking insane. And at very least, we're implying that this
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demon has the powers of, like, Ambien and emergency first aid-
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(laughs)
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... that it's carrying out on him.
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So he realizes that a demon attacked him in the night, and instead of calling a doctor to deal with his very
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real mauling wounds, Tucker calls his assistant because they're an evangelical
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Christian who might understand all the demon stuff.
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Of course.
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That's insane.
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No, that's reasonable.
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And I don't believe that anyone would act like this. At
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least not anyone with the ability to care
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for their own basic needs. Like, Tucker knows that when he's hungry, he needs to eat
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food. He gets that basic dynamic. So I assume that he knows that if he has a
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big, bleeding claw wound, they're gonna keep bleeding or get infected if he doesn't get treatment.
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You'd think.
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This has all the hallmarks to me of just, like, a very
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super embellished story. Like, I have this cat that sleeps
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on my bed sometimes. You mighta heard of her, Celine.
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Yep.
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Uh, in the night, sometimes she's scratched me and I've woken up with wounds.
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It's less common than when I first got her, but it does still happen sporadically.
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And I don't always remember these scratches happening in the
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night because I'm still half asleep and I just wake up and I have a cut.
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I could see this kind of thing happening to Tucker and because he's a
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shithead opportunist, uh, who knew that the GOP is rapidly
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becoming a fundamentalist, esoteric, demon-hunting
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Christian party, he saw how he could turn this into a story about a demon.
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Yeah.
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Could make some, make some money off this.
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I can believe a number of this element, uh,
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elements of this story, uh, have some connection to reality, but what I cannot believe
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is that Tucker was attacked by a demon
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or even that he sincerely thinks that he was attacked by a demon. Part of the reason that I don't believe that
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he believes that this story i- i- is, is b- 'cause it's being told in a gospel
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church anecdote kind of way, where the elements of the story are meant to prop up the underlying
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unbelievable premise of the story while not making any sense from a motivation standpoint.
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Tucker is supposed to have been a rationalist with no
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faith tradition that believes in demons attacking you in the night, and I'm supposed to believe that he
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didn't respond to the signs of a demon attacking him in the night, uh, in the way that a rationalist might?
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Like, why did he respond like an evangelical would?
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He n- uh, like, he knew that it was spiritual immediately. He told this guy that. That
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doesn't make any sense if he entered the
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experience with the mindset that he's pretending he
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had. But the response sounds good to an evangelical writing a
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story about an imaginary rationalist version of themselves.
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I'm supposed to believe that cynical-ass Tucker
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wakes up in severe pain, wanders around the house, then sees that he's bleeding from multiple
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claw marks, and his first reaction isn't to check on his kids or his wife? He doesn't call the police.
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His wife might've been stabbed by somebody in the night if he's got blood on him.
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Yep.
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The fuck? He doesn't even know if she's alive.
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The whole thing.
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Instead, he goes back to bed?
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Yep.
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It doesn't make sense from a character motivation standpoint.
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Further, why didn't the demon kill him?
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Can demons only go so far with their cuts, like hurting you enough to give you a
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fun story but not enough so you can't go back to sleep?
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Did the demons know that Tucker is a media personality, so they kept the attack isolated to parts of his
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body that are always covered by shirts?
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If this is some kinda spiritual war, shouldn't the demons have
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tried again? Like, Tucker is supposed to be one of the most
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dangerous people on his side of the spiritual war, so it
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kind of implies to me that maybe this is as bad as demons can do.
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Like, if they go out of their way to materialize into our reality
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to attack Tucker Carlson and this is all they've got, I'm not worried about demons.
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I'm not hearing a personal stake in it for the demon.
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Mm-hmm.
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That's what I don't understand. Right? Like, are we... Is the
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assumption... 'Cause I feel like the assumption is that Tucker is attacked by a demon because he's Tucker.
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Mm-hmm.
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A d- he, di- he's a, he's just a, a thing that gets attacked by demons.
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Well, he's, he's-
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He's too much of a-
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... like a general on their side of the, uh, spiritual war. You know?
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Right. Right, right, right. So, so it's like he, he should always be under threat from a demon attack.
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Right.
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Of course. They're always trying to get him.
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Yeah. Be happening all the time.
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Right. I don't understand why this one, then, and then an end, and then a go home?
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Well, we don't get an answer to this from Tucker, but we will later from Alex. (laughs)
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Okay. (laughs)
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So you c- we could put a pin in that for a second.
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All right. Okay.
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But I agree with you that, like, from just a premise standpoint, this is really dumb.
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I just need-
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And like, what... Like you're saying, what's the motivation to the demon? Like, uh, is it
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like, "You better shut your mouth."
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Oh. No. Yeah, yeah, yeah! I'll take any... I don't need, I don't need a good one.
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Is the demon trying to make you not
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do your show? Or-
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Yeah.
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... 'cause it failed.
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S- that makes sense.
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'Cause it failed.
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That, but that'd be fine at the very least. Or, yeah.
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Is the demon, is the demon fired? Like, did the demon only mean to attack you a little bit to scare you?
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Totally. Right?
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I, uh, there's... I don't, I don't know. It's so dumb.
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It doesn't make any sense.
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Nope.
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It is, it is so fun watching, because Tucker is... The thing that I've noticed from listening to Tucker now
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is he knows exactly who he's lying to.
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Oh, yes.
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And he goes as far as he can.
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Yep.
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He really does. Like, I think he's f- I
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d- 'cause I've, uh, I've had that feeling of like, "Are you fucking with me?"
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Mm-hmm.
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And he is. He's fucking with them.
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Yep.
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He's going to the exact point where he knows, "I can say the most ridiculous shit to you
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and you won't even s- bat an eyelash."
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Yeah. That's kind of some of the difference between, like, Elon and Tucker.
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There's this great disdain for the audience, and they
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dance around in it.
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Yeah.
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There's a shameful, uh, shamelessness-
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Yeah.
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... about their, like, "I'm getting away with this shit. You guys have no fucking idea."
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Yeah.
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And as much as Alex does also have some of that energy, I do think he feels bad. Like-
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Maybe.
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He constantly feels bad.
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He doesn't feel like this.
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No.
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Whatever this is-
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Yeah.
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... if this, if this could be described as a feeling or a vacuous emptiness that, uh, rivals space itself-
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Yeah.
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... uh, then that is, uh, not what Alex feels.
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There are some moments where Alex can attain that, but a lot of the
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time, he, he kinda seems, like...Not joyful-
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Yeah.
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... in- (laughs)
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Yeah, and it makes- it makes me understand better like
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when you- when you get that he is- he knows who he's lying to, then it makes more sense whenever you know
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like, oh, well in conversations that aren't around this with other people, he lies to them differently.
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Mm-hmm.
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It's okay.
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He's not believing this or that. He's just lying to everyone-
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Yeah.
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... to a certain degree.
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Yeah. A- and- and obviously there is some sort of a center somewhere that is like a-
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Maybe.
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... uh, somewhere between lowercase and uppercase T truth.
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Maybe.
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Uh, well, I mean there- I feel like there has to be, but
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it's not really important to try and figure out what it is, you know?
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Exactly.
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It's kind of a moot point.
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Whether it is there or isn't is less important-
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Yeah.
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... than getting rid of his ass.
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He could believe all this shit or not, it does not matter.
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Nope.
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Um, anyway, uh, he doesn't understand,
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uh, what happened.
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Okay.
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This demon.
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So I mean, I'm not
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leaving anything out
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and, um,
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and I'm not pretending-
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Yes, you are.
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... to understand that I can only say what happened to me and that
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did happen to me. And, uh, and then I was seized with this
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very intense desire to read the Bible,
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which I then started without any study aids or anything. I bought a Bible that didn't have any... I-
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I'm not interested in editorializing in the Bible, I just want to read it and see what's in there myself.
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(laughs)
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I have very low levels of trust for Christian pastors, most of whom-
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Oh my God.
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... you know, I'm just not a fan at all. And, uh, sorry to say that, but that's how I feel.
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And so I just didn't... I don't want to hear
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other people's opinions, I just want to see what's in there. And
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I... So I spent a year and a half reading it and then I started rereading it
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and it was a... just a transformative experience.
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Then I decided to be part of this orthodox, uh,
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propaganda documentary.
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Yeah.
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It's really fun and cute to say that you don't pretend to understand something, but the reality here
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is that Tucker is not trying to understand
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anything. Tucker clearly isn't saying like, "I've considered alternative explanations and the only
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thing I can, uh, not exclude is demons." He- but he wants people to think that that's what he's saying,
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because that's the only rational way to say, "I was attacked in the night by a demon."
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If you say like, "Look, it can't fucking possibly be the case, but here is
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one alternative explanation, here's another, and the reasons that these can't be
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the case." Like you have to say that you recognize
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that what you're doing is completely irrational, but you've int- entertained every other possibility.
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Tucker wants to be treated like he's that kind of a person
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because the reality is that he's a lunatic, but he wants to be respected and taken
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seriously, so this is the path he's cut.
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Just imagine if some Democratic pundit, let's say the most
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popular Democratic pundit in the world, came out and said that their policy preferences
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and their support for the presidential candidate they had
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was predicated on something like, "A ghost told me this." That's about how seriously
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you should take anything Tucker's saying.
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I don't believe his demon bullshit for a second,
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but I don't think that there's anything wrong with getting into some religious literature. I'm not
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gonna shit on Tucker for reading the Bible, but I do
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think that he's kinda stupid and that his oppositional defiance is getting in his own way.
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He claims that he just read the Bible and
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reread it because he wanted to see what was in there. He didn't want to take
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someone else's word for it, so he didn't listen to anyone's interpretation.
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I get that motivation, you know, to have your own perspective, but
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for that to work, you have to be smart enough to understand what you're reading.
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When I saw him in Reading, Pennsylvania, Tucker
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cited a passage from the Bible about how you know a tree by its fruits.
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He thought that meant that a lemon tree makes lemons, so by the fruit
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produced, you can categorize the tree. It's actually very clear from the context
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that knowing a tree by its fruit means that a good tree cannot produce bad fruit
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and a bad tree cannot produce good fruit. It's about the health of the tree
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being apparent by the fruit it bears. This is super elementary
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Jesus stuff, and yet Tucker didn't understand that
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very basic concept. So I'm not sure I trust him to read the Bible on his own and
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reread it and get anything out of it. I'm honestly
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not convinced at all that he's read the Bible and I wouldn't be
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surprised at all if you just memorized some verses that he saw in memes
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that he doesn't understand. And great.
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Yeah.
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Good basis for your
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spirituality.
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Yeah, that sounds about right.
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I ha- I had a night terror that I'm embellishing into a demon attack and then I skimmed some Bible memes.
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Go fuck yourself.
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I feel- I feel like Elijah, Dan.
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Mm-hmm.
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I feel like Elijah because
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here's- here's what I'll say. Like, imagine that Tucker Carlson
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was an, uh- uh- uh- uh- uh- sacrifice to Baal, right?
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Now, all these priests around here, let's call them Tucker's mouth,
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pouring gasoline on this altar to- to Baal, trying to make it start on fire on its own by, let's say, blasphemy
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of- of a highest order beyond all reckoning, right? And still he won't light on fire.
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Mm-hmm.
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So I have proven that your God is not real, Tucker. Because if he was, you'd be on fire.
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It's- it's that kind of thing that I- I hate him for like what he represents in terms of just the secular world
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and like the damage that this mentality that he perpetuates does.
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But if I were religious, I would... I feel like I would hate him more.
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You should.
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Yeah.
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You should.
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I feel like I would be furious at this kind of a behavior.
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Right.
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Um,
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so anyway, I- I just think he sucks and, um,
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he ends this little piece of, uh, the documentary that was released on a bit of a defensive note.
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Okay.
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And it was a... just a transformative experience
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for me, but I'm not... you know, holding myself
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out as someone from whom you could get theological advice because I'm not.
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Sure, of course.
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I mean, I don't know, I don't understand any of it, but yeah, that happened to me.
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Do you think God allowed
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the demon?
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I have no idea what happened. All I know is
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I was dead asleep
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with my wife and dogs and I woke up with claw marks on my rib cage underneath my arms
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and it didn't even make sense. My arms wouldn't... Anyway, whatever, I'm
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not... No one has to believe me, I don't care.
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It doesn't matter.
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But that happened to me.
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Okay.
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And, uh, so I just was like, "Wow, that-
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that's real." Whatever that is, I don't even... I'm not sure what it is, but-
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It's very real. And so then that presence of that evil-
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That's him. Yeah.
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... launches something.
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So for someone who really doesn't care if I believe his very
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true story, Tucker seems pretty insistent on reminding me that the story is real and it doesn't matter if I
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believe it. And here's the deal, I don't believe it
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and there's no part of me that believes that Tucker believes it, but I also don't care if it happened or not.
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I can't imagine anything I care less about.
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If Tucker is lying, then literally everything I already believe stays the same.
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He's a bullshit artist scamming people with scary stories that they want to hear.
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But if Tucker's telling the truth and his interpretation of all this is correct, I'm not interested.
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In that case, we live in a world where there are
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demons who can hurt you a little bit, but not that much and they waste their time
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fucking with Tucker Carlson for unclear reasons. Like, why did they choose to attack him at that point
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in time? It seems weird. I don't... I'm not worried about these demons.
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Now, I would be remiss if I didn't point out
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that this was recorded in October of this
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year, and a year and a half ago is when this demon attack, uh, he's saying it happened.
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Also happens to be when he was fired from Fox News
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in the fallout from that Dominion lawsuit where they lost, uh, $787.5 million.
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Did the demon happen to mention Dominion, you think?
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I'm sure that timing is a coincidence, right? I mean, it has to be.
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It is odd.
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Yeah.
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It is odd.
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About a year and a half ago from this point, Tucker got fired from Fox News and along with that,
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he lost the last time he would ever be on a major network or work for a legitimate outlet.
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He'd spent his previous years on air burning bridges and living high on the hog with his enviable ratings.
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But in chasing those ratings, he'd done, uh, uh, some shows that got the company sued
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and they didn't want to keep him around anymore, so he got humbled.
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He kept trying to get another TV job, but
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where? Any of the other Trump World Networks would be a huge downgrade and going to a place like
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Daily Wire would be too. That would be subordinating yourself to like
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Ben Shapiro. No good.Tucker had to strike out on his own, but if he did a Fox News-style show on
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Twitter or YouTube, who would even care? The audience that he relied
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on with Fox wasn't the same audience that would support him in his new digital
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foray, so they needed to get a little bit looser with standards. So you can see him start to court other
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fringe celebrities to boost his cache, like Alex and Catturd.
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You saw the messaging begin to drift
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more and more overtly toward this white identity, extreme right-wing Christian perspective.
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Basically, Tucker needed to court a new
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audience once he was fired from Fox, and now that he has it, he's solidifying his
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place in it basically as a prophet. This dramatic-ass story about a demon attack is supposed to be the
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explanation for why he's doing the shit he's doing
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now, but wasn't before. In the real world, it's because Fox paid him a
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shitload of money and he didn't need to desperately chase this audience, but now he has no choice.
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What I'm saying is, uh, that all this is just rooted in
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Tucker not being able to handle being fired from Fox. That inability to
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cope is now being retold as a demon attack that Tucker is telling a couple of Orthodox
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zealots so they can market their conversion movie.
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This, there's a lot going on here beyond just his stupid demon story.
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(laughs) It helps, yeah. It helps to have a, uh,
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transformative demon experience as opposed to a, "I got fired."
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Yeah, 'cause I'm a big asshole.
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I, uh, uh, "I am no longer bound to the laws of the FCC," is not quite as interesting as, uh,
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"I am no longer bound to the laws of God and man, for I am Demon Fighter Tucker!"
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Yeah. And the, like, uh, like the part th- that, you know, the ugly truth of his
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getting fired and the way that all happened is that, like, that closed the door
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on him pretty much working anywhere ever again.
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Sure.
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Like, no reputable person or outlet was probably... If he got fired from fucking Fox-
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We'll see what happens.
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I don't-
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(laughs) I don't trust any of these people anymore.
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I don't either, but I can't imagine, like, the amount he would ask-
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Yeah.
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... as a price that he needed to be paid to be working somewhere-
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Yeah, yeah.
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... mixed with how many people he'd probably pissed off-
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Sure.
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... during his time on Fox-
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Sure.
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The liability of his behavior leading to and being a part of that lawsuit-
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Right.
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... I just can't imagine any business being like, "This is worth it."
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Right. I would, th- sp- I would, okay.
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While I see where you're coming from-
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Mm-hmm.
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... I would still give you two-to-one odds that within the next 10 years
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CNN hires him, because their ratings are low
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and they think it's gonna be the next thing that they get their viewers for.
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Hmm.
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I would g- I would give you two-to-one odds on that.
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I'll take that bet.
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Okay.
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(laughs)
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We'll work it out, uh, later.
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All right.
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So naturally, when I heard this, when I saw this video, the first thing I thought was,
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"Oh, man, Alex is gonna be pissed." This whole demon
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thing is his domain. And if anybody has been on the cutting edge of normalizing
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talking about fighting demons, it's Alex Jones. If anyone
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should've gotten the interview where
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Tucker finally opens up about this shit, it's Alex. And I think Tucker did him dirty.
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Alex has put in the work. Tucker pretends to respect him. This should be an instance where Tucker does a
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sit-down special with Alex, like the LeBron decision.
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Yep.
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A lot of times when news breaks and Alex has to rush out a video to make it about himself, I
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feel like it's desperate, and it's a sad game he's playing. But in this case, I feel different.
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I expected him to put out a video to get on
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top of things and associate himself with the story, but I also felt like he deserved to.
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This is a situation where Alex making the story about himself is
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actually him trying to correct the record, because Tucker left him out.
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In this case, I wanna be totally clear, Tucker
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fucked Alex. (laughs) This is an insane headline-grabbing story where he's
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claiming he was attacked by a demon. He 100% owes Alex that story. He owes Alex an exclusive on that. And for
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Alex to have to record a video responding to this clip being posted on Twitter while he's driving
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around in his car, that tells me he didn't get a heads-up
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that this was gonna go live or anything. And that's just
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rude of Tucker. And s- it's at a point where Alex needs a win. He needs an exclusive, juicy
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story to help move traffic over to his new fake website. Like, if I were Alex, I would be so pissed.
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Yeah, this is bullshit.
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Whatever happened behind the scenes, Alex learns that this clip is going around while he's driving
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somewhere, so he decides to cut a video about it-
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My God.
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... from behind the wheel.
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What is wrong with these people?
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(laughs)
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What is wrong with these people?
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No, but here's the problem. I agree with you big picture.
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Sure.
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But, th- what's wrong with these people, Alex is the only person who's acting sanely here.
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No, no, no. That's, I mean, yes.
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I was deserve-
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Yes.
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I deserve a cut of this, asshole.
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I recognize that.
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You know? (laughs)
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I recognize that.
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Yeah.
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We're in Topsy-Turvy World. Why not?
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Mm-hmm, yeah.
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Why not?
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So here's, here's Alex in his car.
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All right.
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All right.
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(motor rumbling) I have never told this story,
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or these stories,
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and I'm gonna do it tomorrow
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on the Friday show. But I was basically inspired to go ahead and do it
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by Tucker Carlson today.
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(motor rumbling) So,
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a few years ago, I knew about this, when it first happened, and I'm not gonna get into the details.
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It only happened 18 months ago, right?
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But then last year, when I was at Tucker's house in Maine at dinner,
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we started talking about the paranormal and things.
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And he told me about the two experiences
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he'd had in his life once when he was a child, at their house out in California in the backyard.
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And then the other ha-
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happened about a year before, or a little less than a year
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before, when... And he was a guy who wasn't sure God was real.
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He, he, he was something like some guy that hears voices and sees stuff, is schizophrenic.
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And he
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got attacked and he told the story about the demon in the bed, you know, scratching him and all the rest of it.
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And he got into more detail so it wasn't like...
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He wasn't scratching himself, it was like, you know, from
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the front down to the back. Couldn't do it himself with his hands.
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So, it's fair that Alex hadn't told as many details of the story as we know now, but he's absolutely
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very obviously implied that Tucker told him he was attacked by a literal demon. That's why
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we make jokes about Tucker being attacked by a demon, because we've heard Alex talk about it before.
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Yep.
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I also like the way that Alex throws in that little detail about something happening in Tucker's backyard in
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California, almost as like a subtle wink to Tucker, like, "Please, uh,
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tell that story on my show. Give me something."
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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"You asshole."
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"Hey, first off, one, I know more than you, uh, so I am still bigger than you, the audience."
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Mm-hmm.
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"And the people who think Tucker telling them that
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story is cool, I know more stories. I'm still closer to Tucker, okay?"
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It, I think that Tucker... I, I mean, what Alex is reflecting is like, "I could've said way more."
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(smacks lips) Yeah.
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"And I didn't."
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Yeah.
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"And you fucked me."
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Yeah, he feels burned.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I think rightly so.
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I mean, in, uh, within the social structure that they, that these fucking monsters have built together-
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Yeah.
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... yes. This is fucked up.
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I, like... Look, all this is
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so fucked up that any of this is reality.
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Sure.
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But I just think if I were in, like... Let's say I'm on a Judge Judy type show-
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Sure.
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... and these people are coming to me with this story.
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Right.
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I would, I would rule that Tucker owes Alex an apology.
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Fair.
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You know?
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I think that's fair.
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(laughs) Yeah.
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But you gotta understand, we're not, we're not in a Judge Judy justice world, we're in a, we're in a
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violent gang street operation where, uh,
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Alex is the triads or whatever, and uh, Tucker's competing... You can't trust other gangs.
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Mm-hmm.
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Sure, you were selling heroin together yesterday, but now is today.
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Mm-hmm.
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It's different.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, can't trust 'em.
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A- and, um, I don't, I don't know what to feel about this exactly, except I think it's all very funny.
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It is very funny.
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Um, so Tucker, uh, you know, he had this demon attack. And he told Alex about it.
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Yeah.
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And we get a little bit of background information here-
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Okay, okay.
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... about how Tuck- or, uh, Alex blew Tucker's mind.
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Oh, God.
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I've never really told-... my stories. I told him some, and just to show him
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what I was talking about, I, uh,
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I said, uh, "I think I know what happened to you," without him telling me anything else about th- about
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why it happened. You know, where it came from-
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The demon.
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... who was behind it.
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The demon, that is.
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And...
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I nailed where it came from.
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That other guy was not me.
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I don't know what that means.
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And I'm 50 now, and I've, uh, learned
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to go with my spirit, my instinct, whatever you want to call it, sixth sense.
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And as long as you just open up to it, wh- when it calls, it's, it's always dead on.
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And I blew him away.
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So that's why I said I'm the most exceptional person you've ever met, but
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I'm, I'm not. I'm just a normal person who's never nailed stuff before and lovable out of skill. But I, uh,
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just in my spirit, I knew how it happened,
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and I said, "Recently, has anyone laid hands on you?"
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Oh, for God sakes.
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It just came to me, and he said... He got really freaked out. He kind of got up.
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He said he, he, uh, he went to the bathroom, c- came back, and he said, "I
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haven't even told my wife this. I haven't told anybody." I, I...
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He goes, "Just a week ago, I was on an airplane flying back
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here, and I..." This had happened a while back before that, and
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they started clicking to him, was that when this happened?
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So we were like simpatico. We were like, you know, linked up.
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But I'm gonna tell more of the story tomorrow, and I need to call him and get permissions.
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Come on my show. Come on my show.
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It's out now.
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In fact, he did tell me part of it not to ever tell, so I need to call him.
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Yeah, you should, probably should have called him already.
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Yep.
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This seems weird. (laughs)
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Yep.
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(laughs) I don't-
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Who are you talking to now that is more important
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than talking to him-
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Right.
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... about a literal demon attack?
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Yeah.
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Is it more important that there's literal
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demons attacking Tucker Carlson that is a true thing that we all know now? Or is it more important
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that you get out in front of the "Tucker didn't tell me that he was going to drop this knowledge" story?
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According to the rules of the game-
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Yeah.
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... Tucker needed to involve Alex in this.
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I agree.
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Yes.
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I agree.
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And so for Alex, priority number one is, "I gotta get whatever I can out of this, so I need to strike fast."
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Yep.
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So him recording a video in the car, I would argue, actually is
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more important than calling him in terms of the game.
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I agree. I agree. It-
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But-
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Like, yeah.
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... human level,
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I do think you probably should have called him before you start talking about his backyard in California and
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how someone laid hands on him. (laughs)
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Yeah.
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And put a demon in him.
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Yeah, I think, I think you're right in, insofar as, like, that is that instinct that they all
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have. That's the instinct that they all have. They know the game, and that's why nobody else wins it-
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Mm-hmm.
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... is because
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he, he found out and he knew he had to r-record a video.
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About how he knows more and-
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He had to.
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Yeah.
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Like, it... I, I doubt it took longer than 15 seconds to get from the-
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Mm-hmm.
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... "Here is the start of that video" to "I need to record something."
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Yeah. "I can't even wait to get, like, to a camera."
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Oh, no.
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"I can't even wait to get to the studio," or whatever. "I have to pull over right now."
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I don't think he watched the whole video at all.
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Doubtful.
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Not even close.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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So it turns out
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Alex was able to tell Tucker, "Someone put hands on you."
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Sure.
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And, "This is, this is how we ended up with a demon in you."
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Yeah.
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"And also, I've had an experience-"
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No.
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"... of my own."
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Now, are you... I...
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Oh, God.
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And then I'll tell you my story.
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Oh, God. Goddamn.
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And I've only
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had a, what they call a poltergeist. It's the German name for it, angry spirit,
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'cause they throw people around and smash stuff.
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Only had it happen once.
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Clear blue, middle of the day.
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Girl when I was, like, 11 years old.
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Dislocated my shoulder.
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I was a tough kid. I didn't figure it out till later that day. I'll, I'll tell the story tomorrow.
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This is real though. Uh, uh, I guess h- his crew probably put
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this out, not 'cause he wanted to, but just h- he takes so much stuff,
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'cause it is Halloween. This kind of scene is the time for that. But this is no joke.
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(laughs)
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This, this is real. And I'm definitely not joking.
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You know what's funny?
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Oh, my God.
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As I was going through all of this, it never once crossed my mind that this could be a Halloween thing.
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Nope.
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Until Alex said it wasn't. (laughs)
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Not until then.
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I still don't think it was, but it never even occurred to me that this could be a publicity
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stunt for Halloween. Like, I guess Alex is worried that people might take it that way. (laughs) But it's-
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I mean, hey, why would anybody take this whole
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demon god stuff seriously if Tucker Carlson is saying it to a religious figure?
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I take it-
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I don't know.
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... so not seriously that I didn't even think it was Halloween relevant.
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I had no i-... It didn't occur to me that Halloween would be involved.
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So Alex got, uh, attacked by a poltergeist.
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Ah, man.
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Yeah.
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Oh, boy.
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(laughs)
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All right, fine. Fine. You win. All of you win.
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It was totally real too.
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All of you get to say whatever you want. That's fine.
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Alex had a poltergeist.
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(laughs)
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I was telling him about some of my experiences,
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and he wanted me taping this podcast the next day to, to tell him. And I said, "I just...
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The public can't handle it." And I said, "Why don't
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you tell your story?" And he goes, "You're right. I get your point." So I guess now
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is the time for him to tell it. In fact, I got the feeling he was gonna tell the story on air when I told my story.
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Uh-oh.
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Oh, it's one-
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You blew it.
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It's one, it's one poltergeist.
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You blew it.
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That's what it was, I mean, it was a poltergeist.
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There's no, there's no doubt about it. (laughs) "I'll tell the story tomorrow." I was like,
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real obvious. Didn't see anything, but, hmm. I mean, maybe it's like Predator, you know? Like, the movie
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Predator where it's got a shield up, it's an alien. You can't see it. I just know it
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threw me around like a rag doll. Just clear blue,
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going to... Totally not on drugs. Nothing, didn't take drugs.
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You know, 11 years old, in sports, going to get a Gatorade out of the refrigerator, and...
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Freaking
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right out of a movie, man.
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You know? Uh, so I'll, I'll tell the story tomorrow. It's just time for all this to come out. Everybody
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needs to understand this is a fight between good versus evil.
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And, uh, there's stuff's going on. It's whether you
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call them demons, aliens, whatever the fuck they are, they're there.
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All right, I'll, uh, blow you away tomorrow and it's all real, on my children.
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Follow me on the new channel in case they shut down Real Ox Show's in Fort Worth, which is
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close. As you see us in the news, we're trying, and that's, uh,
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@ajn, Alex Jones Network. @ajnlive, it's really important to do that.
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This feels like a person dealing with betrayal.
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Uh-huh.
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Alex and Tucker seriously bonded over this shared
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experience, and Alex even blew him away by being able to explain how the
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demon probably got into him. Alex felt like Tucker was encouraging him to tell his story on
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Tucker's show, presumably because it would make for
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better clickbait. But then, when it's time for
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Tucker to tell his story about the demon attack, does he do it on his
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own show even, or does he do it on Alex's show? No, he does it in the woods with this John Hearne guy.
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Do they have a spiritual connection about this?
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Did John Hear help Tucker understand what he had experienced? No, fucking Alex did.
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Honestly, I think this is all very stupid and a sign of how bad things are in our country right now. But I also
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can't separate myself from the drama of this.
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Speaking in terms of the dynamics between these two people, it's almost undefensible
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what Tucker did to Alex in the big demon reveal. It's w- it's so wrong.
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I don't know. I mean, you know, you have Alex on your
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show, and Alex says he's got a poltergeist. And you say, "If you tell me your story, I'll
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tell you mine." And Alex says, "The public's not ready for it." I feel betrayed.
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No, no, no, no.
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I feel betrayed.
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Let's be clear. What Alex said is that
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Tucker wanted him to tell the story-
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Right.
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... and Alex felt like he would tell his story if Alex told h- uh, the poltergeist one.
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That was not, like, an arrangement-
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Right.
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... that they made or something.
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Right, right, right, but still-
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That was just a feeling that Alex got.
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Fine, Alex ha- Alex can't... Yeah, but
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Alex's feelings are, uh, sent from God, so Alex's feelings are verifiable fact.
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But there's a really good chance that, had things gone slightly differently, Tucker would have wanted
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Alex to tell the poltergeist story, and he might not have told the demon attack story.
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I mean, that's possible if you don't believe that God tells
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Alex what his feelings should be, and they are always tru-
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So that means that Alex went against God's will, when God gave him the feeling-
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Mm-hmm.
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... that Tucker would tell his story.
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Well, no, no, no.
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So in fact, Alex is in defiance of God here.
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Well, no. God gave him an if/then statement. And Alex said-
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God doesn't give if/then statements. (laughs)
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"If you do this, then this will happen." You get to choose whether or not you want the, the conclusion.
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(laughs) Fair enough, fair enough.
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You know? So Alex actually chose for Tucker to reveal this on a Orthodox documentary.
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Exactly.
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He made his own bed.
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Exactly.
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Mm-hmm.
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That's what I'm saying. That's why Alex says to, uh, "If you're sent by God, you can't have the feeling that
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this might happen and then not do it."
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Mm-hmm.
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God tells you, you have to always do the stuff.
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Yeah. No, the public's not ready. I, I love that.
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See, I don't think the public is ready. (laughs)
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I love that argument too, because like, all the stupid, crazy
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bullshit that he talks about, like, oh, that the public is ready for?
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Yep.
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The re- the public's ready for ev- like, a,
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"All of my enemies are possessed by demons who are secretly trying to sacrifice people to Saturn."
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Yeah.
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All this stuff, oh, they're ready for that, but, "Oh, I saw a ghost one
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time and it threw me," like, oh yeah, we're not ready.
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Yeah.
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Fuck off.
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Yeah. No, there's, there's definitely like a, a,
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"Oh, uh, you know, uh, this story is, I'm just not ready to tell." Uh, bet. Put your cards on the table.
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Yeah.
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I bet there's a... 'Cause you're, you're trying to give the impression that, like, this one is so big.
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You have prophetic dreams-
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This one's too big.
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... you dumb dick.
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Yeah. That's how big this is.
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Right.
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You c- you can wrap your head around that. You've seen movies. This is in a different type of movie.
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I've seen those movies too, asshole.
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You haven't... Yeah, but, uh, you haven't seen th-
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So have you, clearly.
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But not this mu- but yes, I have seen it. There's some good ones.
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Sure.
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You want to talk about the good movies that I've seen?
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Based on a true story.
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Poltergeist.
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Yeah.
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Poltergeist II.
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Uh-huh.
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Poltergeist III.
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Based on a true story.
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Yep.
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So I was noticing that this video where
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Alex is talking in his car was substantially longer than just the part where he was talking in his car.
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Oh, God.
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And that's because he added on a little bit at the end.
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Oh, for God's sake.
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All right, there's so much huge news going on that I'm out, out partying on Halloween night.
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In fact, we're shooting this at about, you know, 9:20.
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We're gonna upload this to X at RealAlexJones, the incredible
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stuff I just broke down about Tucker
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Carlson. But now that he talked about it, I can tell you the rest of the story
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tomorrow. But that said, let me tell you b- the rest of the story about this.
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You see this?
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This is the type of knife that I'm into,
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and it's customized
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right here in America
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with 1776 Betsy Ross flag. Devastator is what I named it, with my signature, talk about a story.
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There's only
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850 of these knives. That's it.
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And it's got the skull crusher. It's all legal now, passed the change law a decade ago.
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Cool.
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Got the brass knuckles or good, you know,
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guard here for your hand, and you got the double-edged dagger. So, for real defense,
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um,
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this is what you need right here.
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And I know Swalwell says we take over
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with tyranny and everything. This isn't for that, this is just a collectible, uh,
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that an AR-15 won't take down an F-15. Oh, I know. No, no, this gets you the AR-15,
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and then the AR-15 gets you everything else you want. But, but we're not calling for that.
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Okay, weird knife commercial that has broken out at the end of this video.
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Sorts.
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Uh-huh. (laughs) He's... Well, no, but I like this because he's talking about, uh, Eric Swalwell.
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(laughs) Right.
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And he's like, you know, "An AR-15 won't take down an F-15."
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Sure.
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And Alex is like, "We're not even talking about that, but also, this knife, you can use this to get a gun."
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Yeah.
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"And then that gun will get you everything else that you need."
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There you go. You give a mouse a cookie.
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(laughs)
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Now we've, now we've begun the, the avalanche of fun that's about to happen.
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I'm not legally allowed to sell you a gun, right? So I would if I could, but I can't. So
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I'm gonna sell you this knife that you can use later to get a gun.
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(laughs)
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(laughs)
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I'm gonna sell you a gun acquisition device.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that's fun.
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I like that. I like that. I l- I would call that... Let's change the knife to GAD.
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Yeah.
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It's called a gun acquisition device.
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And it's totally legal-
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Totally legal.
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... these brass knuckles. I mean, hand protector.
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They... Why would anybody outlaw something called a skull crusher?
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Right.
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Could it not do other things?
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Mm-hmm.
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We have nuts that need crushing as well, do we not?
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Right. Um,
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so I, I thought that's fun.
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Yep.
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Th- this is, this is good stuff.
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That's great.
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Um, and th- the, the knife commercial ends with a very strange tone.
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Just wanna thank all you that did support, but if you want the 1776
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Devastator, (laughs) and it deserves that name,
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it devastates tyranny, uh, well, just
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buying it funds the devastation of tyranny in the InfoWar, and 90% of war is information war. Uh, but, uh,
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you know, it's, it's, it's a nice conversation piece. You can't get more
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politically incorrect than this, except maybe a 1,000 horsepower, uh, Dodge Hellcat. So, or having
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s- eleven kids like Elon Musk has done,
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going to the sperm bank on the side to make sure you populate the earth. All right, so-
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What is happening?
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We love you, Elon.
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Uh,
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(laughs) realalexjones.com, realalexjones.com. Please go there. We love you.
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So, Alex did a video in his car where he's clearly mad
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that Tucker didn't share his story about being attacked by a demon with him.
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So he recorded this, and then he tacked on at the end
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a weird knife commercial that ends with him plugging Elon Musk's jizz.
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Yep.
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What is happening?
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I, I, uh...
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Fine, fine.
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Everybody can have it.
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(laughs)
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That's fine. If everybody wants this, that's the life that they chose. You choose it.
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I honestly think, like, this is so much more bizarre than 2015.
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I... It is.
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Like Alex's content promoting Trump in the lead-up to 2015.
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Yep.
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This is so much more
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absurd and...
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I, I just don't even... I, I, I don't even know how to deal with it.
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I mean, I, I want to go back in time
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to at any point in my life where I said, "I wonder if there's a bottom," and I would just wanna
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viciously beat the shit out of myself-
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Well, it would be interesting-
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... forever even asking the question.
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It would be interesting to, like, eight years ago,
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you know, ask yourself, "Do you think there will come a time where Alex is, uh,
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subtly promoting, uh, Elon Musk's sperm?"
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Yep. Yep.
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Um, and, uh, you'd probably say no.
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Well, I mean, you know-
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On the eve of an election.
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At least now that I've seen us now-
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Mm-hmm.
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... I can tell that we've decided to do different things
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than the things that got us here, which means we definitely won't be
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in either the same or worse places as the future goes on.
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Ah-ha, probably not.
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Everybody's changed their... Everybody's doing different stuff, right?
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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So, um, Alex recorded this, and then he got into studio
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and was like, "Oh, that's right, I was gonna talk about this."
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Yeah.
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So, he, he deals with the issue a little bit more the next day on, uh, on the show.
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Okay.
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And there's a lot more to the story that he came out and told yesterday,
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that he told me, and, and I didn't get around to calling him yesterday to get permission to tell it.
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Why not?
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He didn't say, "Don't tell people." So when J.D. Vance said, "Yeah, no, I've
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got the VP, I'll... I'm gonna be the VP," I'm like, "Really? That's great." Uh,
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uh, I didn't say, "Am I allowed to say that?"
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He just knew I guess I wouldn't, so he told me. But it's, it's like this weird unwritten thing.
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He told me more of it.
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And like I said, I...
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My, my wife was right there,
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his family was there, his wife, crew, Lexi and all his folks.
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But I was sitting over, by the head of the table with him,
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and
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I, I just said, "Hmm, hmm, hmm." And he was like, "What do you think
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that's connected to?" And I, and I sat there for a minute,
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and I said, uh,
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"Did somebody
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do a ritual or lay their hands on you or s- somewhere say that they...
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Because I know how this stuff works." And I wasn't saying Christians were doing
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it, I was picking up 'cause it was demonic.
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Hmm.
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"But did someone ask permission to
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pray for you or bless you, but it was in unorthodox
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way?" And he went, "Whoa." He goes, "Hold on a minute." And he came back a few minutes later. He goes, uh,
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"I haven't even told my wife this. This happened a year ago." And
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he told her about the attack, but, but, but, but, but not
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what he just in the last week...... clicked,
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and he said, "Just days ago when I was flying back here, this clicked.
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I was looking at old photos from a year ago,
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right before this happened,
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and that... this happened." And he goes, "How the
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hell did you just say..." And I went, "Well, let's go further.
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What type of room do they bring you?" And he goes, "Well,
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they, they did bring me in a room. H- how do you know that?" I go, "Well..." (laughs) A- and I, and I said, uh...
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And then he told me who it was. (laughs)
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And, you know, you're at somebody's house and they're really nice and
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you're about to leave... "Oh, one more thing."
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"One more thing." So how often is Tucker going over to people's houses where they lead him into a
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room to do a ritual that this didn't immediately click for him?
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Let's imagine a scenario where you get attacked by a demon in the
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night. If you're somebody seriously concerned about that,
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maybe you thought it was a demon, do you think that maybe
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you would assume it had something to do with the occult ritual you were a part of just a little bit before that?
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(laughs) I feel like this is such an easy case to solve. This is so stupid.
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And I need Alex to name names.
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He says that he knows the person whose house this was at, he knows someone who's putting
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fucking demons into major media figures-
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Yep.
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... and he's withholding that information from-
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Yep.
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... the public, and that's just an act of aiding and abetting the demon-
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There's no other way to describe it.
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... purveyor.
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Yep.
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Uh, this is so stupid.
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I, I want to fight.
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(laughs)
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I want to fight. I don't know w- I don't know who I want to fight, I just want to fight.
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Yeah.
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That this is happening
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at all-
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Mm-hmm.
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... makes me want to... I- I- b- th- we're back at the beginning.
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Mm-hmm.
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I'm an ape.
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Yeah.
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I'm an ape.
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Mm-hmm.
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That is how I feel right now.
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Everything has come full circle.
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Every day I am just a fucking-
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We're doing 2016 all over again, so we might as well.
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I'm just a goddamn monkey, is what I feel like right now.
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So I hear Alex telling this story in the studio, and I can't not
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feel like
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what I'm hearing is someone describing someone else fucking with them.
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You're about to leave... Oh, one more thing.
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My wife would like to pray for you.
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And these folks aren't, like, saying they're Christians. Like, really? What kind of
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are... Well, she just wants to, you know,
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pray for you.
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I'm, okay. This is, you know... And Tucker wasn't even sure God was real at that point.
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He did not believe in God, but, you know, he said that.
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And
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then I start describing... I said, "L- let me guess, the, uh... This
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looked like a little bit of an unorthodox, uh, was it a little special room you got running?"
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And he started telling me and I, and I was describing the kind of things I would imagine would be in there.
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Not even from research, though there's a lot of that. It was just, I was getting a download at this
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moment. I was, eh, I can't do this all the time. It's not me, it's God working through me.
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And I described to he- and that's why he says I'm the most exceptional person he's ever met,
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because,
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you know, I said he'd be fired within a month, and he was fired 29 days after I said that.
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Um, that just came to me.
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So Alex didn't say that Tucker was gonna get fired thanks to a download from
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God. He has a clip with it he plays where he predicts that Tucker won't be at Fox
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News in the near future, but it's selectively edited to hide the
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context that he was saying that Tucker was gonna quit because he's bigger than Fox.
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This is the same manipulation game he plays with pretty much all of his predictions.
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If I were just a friend at a bar listening to Alex tell me this story, I would be pretty
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suspicious that he's telling me a story about a time that he didn't realize that Tucker was fucking with him.
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It, it's almost like Tucker was fishing for details to flesh out his scary
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demon attack story, and Alex was just
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riffing about a bunch of stuff that he remembers seeing in horror movies. And
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what do you know? Everything that Alex says is right on the mark. That's not because
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Tucker was gonna just accept anything that
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Alex said. It's because Tucker was giving Alex a download at the time.
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This makes sense.
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Yeah. I can't imagine somebody who's a professional con man,
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uh, at heart
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having Alex tell them stuff
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and not going, like, "I sh- I should try and steal his watch, too."
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Mm-hmm.
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"I should try... What, what can't I take from this human being?"
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Yeah.
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Right? And you see, you can see what he really stole.
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He stole Alex's dignity.
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Ah.
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And that's why he's told this story to an Orthodox guy in the middle of nowhere.
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Well, there's a part of me that gets the sense
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that
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this is something that is pushing the conversation in the direction that, uh,
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Tucker largely, and the people in his orbit, want the conversation to go in.
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Sure.
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Which is, there's, like, this war with demons and supernatural forces and all this shit.
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Yeah.
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I think that if Tucker had his way, he
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would not be the person who was attacked by a demon, because that's funny.
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Sure.
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And all of this stuff is embarrassing, and he would rather not be the focal point of this.
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Hm?
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I think that when Alex was on his show, he would have preferred
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that Alex tell the story about being attacked by a poltergeist
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so all of this stuff could be folded into the Alex Jones is the prophet/wild man
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mythos that you have going over here, and Tucker could keep himself slightly separated from it.
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But Alex didn't come out and tell this story, and so Tucker kind of just has to be it himself.
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I think that's maybe a little bit of what's going on in the background here.
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Maybe. Maybe. I mean, I could see, I could see Tucker wanting to step out. I could see Tucker-
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That's possible, too.
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... wanting to become the, the religious idol that he's, he's trying to, to create. So why not be it also?
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It's possible.
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Huh?
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I think that a better, uh, s- organization of everything has those two roles separate.
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Sure.
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Like, he's more of a, um,
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like, the prophet type, someone who's-
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Sure.
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... spreading the word or whatever,
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um, and maybe has seen some stuff but doesn't, you know... have not been touched by-
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Sure, sure, sure.
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... the divine or whatever. Um, whereas Alex is already, like, everyone already thinks he's crazy.
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Right.
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So, like-
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Right, right, right. You're using-
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... throw this onto the pile.
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... Alex as a... Yeah. You're using Alex as a shield.
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Yeah.
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I get that.
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Yeah.
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But I mean, you know-
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This has-
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The shield also gets to be called the most extraordinary man in the world, and if you got a giant-ass
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ego, then maybe you wanna be the most extraordinary man in the history of the world, you know?
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Maybe.
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Eh.
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I ju- I don't think it works with the rest of Tucker's brand, but-
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I agree, but this would not be the first time that an overloaded, egotistical, tiny little boy
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has decided to do the dumb thing because it makes him feel better.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Yeah.
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So Alex pretends that he's been very discreet about this.
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Sure.
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Uh, he is not.
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I didn't tell those stories not because I thought it would be
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discrediting, but because it would be a distraction. And
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Tucker says, you know, and he's been doing it, he's all about the truth
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and just getting everything out there, and so
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he's had the courage to, to tell what happened to him, so that
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was inspiring. Um, when I was about 11 years
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old... An- and he told me one other event that happened to him when he was a kid,
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but it wasn't a demonic attack. He saw, like, an
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apparition.
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But I'm not gonna tell his private stories. He can tell that if he wants to. A- and if you remember,
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the crew found, like, one version where I barely mentioned it.
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I did a whole, like, 30 minutes on this where we haven't
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found it yet, right after I came back from Tucker's, but I didn't say his name.
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And I said a lot of prominent people are being demonically attacked, 'cause it wasn't just about Tucker.
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So I love that Alex is trying to pretend that he never talked about this or that he wasn't very
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obvious about repeating Tucker's personal story on air, but has to concede that he did
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tell the story without using Tucker's name just after returning from Tucker's show.
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No one could possibly put those two pieces together.
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Nah.
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That's, it's...
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It would require a level of deductive reasoning that I don't think is... I think it, I, I
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just don't think people are ready to, to see-
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Nah.
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... what, what it can do.
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Simultaneously, Alex is revealing other
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presumably private things that Tucker told him, like how he saw a ghost outside his house as a kid.
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On this show, Alex has already said that he didn't call
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Tucker to get permission to tell more of those stories. He's on thin ice from a privacy standpoint.
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(laughs) I love this. "I'm not going to tell his personal stories." You just did. You just said he saw a ghost-
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100%.
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... outside his house.
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100%.
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(laughs)
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... human stuff, in the same way as Tucker's story.
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Yeah.
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But it's fun.
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No, it's not. It is not fun.
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It's fun enough.
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If it was fun, then he wouldn't need all the bullshit details in there.
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Ah. Let me, let me rephrase.
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It's fun when it's in movies.
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Fair enough.
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And that's probably (laughs) why Alex is telling the story.
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That is almost certainly why.
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So I noticed something that, uh, was different, in the way that Alex told the story of Tucker-
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Mm-hmm.
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... uh, and the way Tucker told it.
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And Tucker described more to me than he, you know, did in the show, but
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just a darkness coming at him.
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And
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that's recorded in all the history books, all the ancient cultures, same
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crap. The Japanese reported it, the Norse reported it, the Chinese, the Africans, the Mesoamericans.
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Every culture describes the same thing. I,
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I, I... So you can say whatever you want about it, whatever it
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is, whatever's going on, but I think it's really important to talk about that, if it happened, and it did-
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So this is not, like, more details. This is a contradiction of what Tucker said in the documentary clip.
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He was asleep when he was attacked and didn't even
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know he had claw marks on him until he wandered around the house a little bit. Alex's version of the story
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that Tucker told him is different. He said that a darkness came at him.
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Like, th- there's contradictions here, and I don't really care. They're both liars, so like-
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Yep.
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... I don't care who's telling the truth here. It's just notable that there's, like,
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real distinct
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issues.
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The story is to whomever is hearing the story.
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Right. In the same way-
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It is unrelated to whomever else may have heard the story in the past.
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Well, it's like the Orthodox priest said, you know?
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Sure.
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The conversion to Orthodoxy is not a two plus two equals four thing.
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Could be anything.
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It's an experience thing. To, to-
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I'm just gonna tell you a story.
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The truth of this demon attack is the, the way it makes you feel.
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Well, in or you're out. Are you in on demons or no?
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So on Twitter, people were responding to this.
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Uh-huh.
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And they were having a little bit of an argument about whether or not this was a poltergeist or a demon-
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Sure.
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... that attacked Tucker.
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Sure.
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There's a lot of sticklers for semantics.
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And i- and if you study that in all cultures, they say the most common thing, in fact,
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90-plus percent of it, if you look up a poltergeist, and that's kind of the
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German term for it, Christians like myself say, "Oh, it's a demon." But the point is,
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a debate broke out on my ex, "Is it a demon or is it a poltergeist?" Wh- it's, it's not nice,
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and it hits and runs, and it mainly targets
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people going into puberty or adolescence
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and the energy and whatever's coming off of that. That's why the, you know, the Satanists and demons that
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they're working with want kids killed, and that's why they'd sacrifice virgins
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in every ancient culture, you know?
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And then that's why in Poltergeist, it comes after the little girl,
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based on a true story out of New York. Didn't happen out in Arizona.
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So
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that happened. That went on.
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Um,
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I, I've not had other experiences
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like that.
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Okay, so he thinks poltergeist is a true story. That's fun.
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Yep.
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Um, and then the, this... Who, who gives a shit about the difference? (laughs) That's just fun.
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Ugh.
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But also, was Tucker going through puberty a year and a half ago?
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I mean, probably, uh, the... Have you listened to his voice?
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He still hasn't gone through puberty, goddammit.
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I don't understand how any of these concepts-
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That little-
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... connect to each other.
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... waifish laugh. Blech. These people disgust me.
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So you hear there at the end there that Alex was like, "I've not had any other experiences."
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Sure.
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Which I think he immediately remembers, like, "Oh, wait, I'm a prophet, and I see the future." (laughs)
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Yeah.
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And so he has to, like, sort of save the ship here.
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Sure.
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I, I've not had other experiences
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like that. I just would have dreams that came
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true, sometimes inconsequential, some was very serious, and then
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I learned to pay attention to those type of dreams.
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Um, I would wake up nauseous and, and, and, like, really feeling
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sick when I would have one of those dreams, like it, like it had been some big event. I
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mean, I guess seeing into the future, whatever that is, is stressful.
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And
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that's happened quite a few times.
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Um-
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I love this, just this mentality of, like,
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"Yes, I had this poltergeist attack one time, but that's really about it, except for the
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extensive history of seeing the future-"
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Yep.
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"... that I have had, um, the ways that God has given me visions.
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Um, I have been hand-selected by the deity to fight the devil."
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Mm-hmm.
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"I constantly run into demons in my day-to-day life."
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Sure.
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"People at the grocery store-"
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Sure.
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"... turn into demons-"
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Sure.
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"... in front of me."
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Naturally. They go back.
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"Um, yeah, but oth- other than that, I mean, not much.
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Just that one poltergeist, really."
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It's, it's a testament.
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(laughs)
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It's a testament to how mundane any job can become.
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You know, you're, you're like, "Oh, my job is the chosen one by God.
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Ah, what's this? Same shit as the rest of the days."
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Right.
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"But whoa, a poltergeist? That's new."
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You're telling this one story that you want to be special, but as you're telling it, you realize, like-
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Oh, it's not-
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... I basically live in magic.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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(laughs) Fuck.
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Yeah. It would be impressive if I hadn't already claimed to be in control of some spiritual energies-
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Mm-hmm.
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... myself-
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Right.
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... to the point that m- one might suspect whether or not I could've put up a defense against a poltergeist.
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On our last fucking episode, Alex said he's been to heaven.
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There you go.
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(laughs)
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That one's... What's continuity for,
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if not for making this poltergeist story fucking stupid?
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So we have one last clip here, and it's Alex trying to ground all of this in science.
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Good. What? No.
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Because there's a lot going on in our universe, and, and let's be clear.
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To ancients, they call it spiritual, but the mathematics-
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What ancients? Who are these ancients?
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... the split experiments and all of those have been done thousands of times.
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When you're observing a molecule-
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Hmm.
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... it can go through a block of lead, but when you're not observing it, it, it, it doesn't do
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it, or vice versa. Uh, uh, the point is-
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What?
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... is that
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our-
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That's your pitch?
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... observation of reality is affecting it, even though you cannot track with any machine
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the energy that w- supposedly is doing that, but we now know what dark matter theory and
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all of that, that there is all of this
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other matter that's even more intense and, and more energetic than the, than the dimension we're in.
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So this is a guy who clearly understands the concepts that he's throwing
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around, not just using buzzwords, uh, in order to sort of
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justify and make it sound smart that he's talking about
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demon attacks and poltergeists. (laughs) This is so dumb.
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I find it... You know what? I find it fascinating,
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in a, in a very, in a very literal way. I find it fascinating that people believe that dark matter theory-
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Hmm.
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... is like a, is like a thing, instead of just being, like,
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we have no other way to describe matter
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that does not get touched by light.
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Mm-hmm.
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Calling it dark matter is the least interesting thing to describe it as.
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Mm-hmm.
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It is not... And dark energy, it's, uh, it's just 'cause it doesn't interact with light.
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Mm-hmm.
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It is a descriptive term. It doesn't mean anything. It's a meaning... It's not a name for something. It is a-
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Right.
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This, it, it could be a million things. It could be zero things.
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Right.
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It could be anything.
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But
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how do you like the description of the observer effect?
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That one's great. So molecules can go through lead if you're looking, but not-
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Or-
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... if you're not looking, or the other-
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Or vice versa.
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... way around.
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Vice versa, maybe. (laughs)
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Who knows?
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Who knows which is it gonna be? Is it am I invisible when my
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eyes are closed, or is it that I am visible when my eyes are open?
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That's... I mean, the, the ancients have wondered about-
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I thought f-
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... about that-
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Damn the ancients.
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... for millennia.
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How dare anyone in 2024 be like, "The ancients..." Stop your sentence there.
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Hmm.
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Why?
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Mm-mm.
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The anc- the ancients.
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Those ancients.
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Which ones?
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The ancient ones.
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Th- they're all ancient.
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I don't know, people back in the '70s, who fucking knows?
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But that... What does that mean? The Aztecs? What does that mean? From when? The Incans? From when?
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When? These things are a long time.
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Right, but they all had the same idea that had been proven by mathematics.
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They did not.
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Yes, they did, and they all saw demons, much like, uh, Tucker.
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Uh, that actually
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Tucker is the present day ancients.
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I do believe that the ancients have been reincarnated into a whiny little baby named Tucker Carlson.
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So this is how, uh, we leave things off before the election. Um,
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I feel-
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(sighs)
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... like it was sort of a palate cleanser, a little bit. (laughs)
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I think-
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But also, like,
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you could not be more mad.
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I think it's great because it reminds you of the stakes of the election.
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Mm-hmm.
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And how seriously everyone's taking it.
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Yeah, these people are very... They're taking it very, very seriously.
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That's, that's what it's... That's what keeps me, that's what keeps me
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going, you know, how serious these things are, and how I'm expected to take them so seriously.
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And as a reminder, I
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went down this road because I'm bored with how unseriously Alex is taking the election.
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Yup, yup.
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So we listen to Tucker talk about spankings and being attacked (laughs) by a demon.
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Yup, yup, yup, yup.
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Boo! We'll see you on the other side.
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You bet. (laughs)
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Uh, so we'll be back, but until then, where do we go to watch this?
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TV2@knowledgefight.com.
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Uh, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo, uh, Leo, I'm DCX Clark. I am the mysterious professor.
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Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo!
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And now, here comes w- the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
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I love you.
