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N-N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight

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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating

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knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray

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I have great respect for knowledgefight

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys

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saying we are the bad guys, knowledgefight

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Dan and Jordan, knowledgefight

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Delaware, Delaware, Delaware

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Need my, need money

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Delaware, Delaware, Delaware

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Andy and Kansas, Andy and, Andy, stop it

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Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas

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It's time to pray

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Andy and Kansas you're on the air place for a little

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan

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I love your work

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knowledge fight

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knowledge fight calm

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I love you. Hey everybody

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Welcome back knowledge right? I'm damn

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Dudes like sit around worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Joe. Oh indeed

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We are Dan Jordan Dan Jordan quick question for you. What's up? What's right spot today, buddy?

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Uh cinnamon cinnamon just a cinnamon kick interesting. Yeah, okay

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I got some cinnamon toast crunch okay, and I think I had a couple other cinnamon things

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I'm like this is great. This is the stuff. This is great

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I think I have probably had these episodes before like if I accidentally got a churro sure something

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I realize how great cinnamon sugar

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It's underrated

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Cinnamon

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No argument

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my bright spot is uh

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At my my wife's mom I I would call her my mother-in-law, but like there's there's so that's so charged

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Mm-hmm, but it's my wife's mom because I love her dearly and today is her birthday

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Hey, and I know that she listens to this show so

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Yeah, I'm sure they mean today. Oh when do it is released. I know I do well. We'll see okay

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We'll see what it happens, but I know that she will hear that

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I love her and that it's her happy birthday. Happy birthday. This is a

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Quite an extension of your wife guy persona. I mean it's getting real bad. It's getting real bad. I have

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Forgotten who I am well. That's all right. It's an okay thing to get lost in yeah

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So Jordan today. We have an episode to go over mm-hmm. We're recording a little bit late

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I'm a little bit worried about the neighbors in case

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but part of the reason yeah is because

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whatever happened

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Earlier in the week sure does not matter okay because Saturday happened and Alex put out a special report

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Oh god, and the premise of it

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Cannot be believed

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aliens very close

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Very close. I don't even want to spoil it

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Because it's magic okay, so we're gonna be talking about Alex's August 31st 2024 special report that he put out Saturday

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It's one of the stupidest fucking things. I'm so excited, but first let's say hello to some new ones. That's a great idea so first

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Dip or yay, and moose man. Thank you so much. You're now policy walk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much

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Thank you next sources high up in the Pentagon told me that my dog Apollo is a satanic globalist

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Thank you so much. You're now policy walk. I'm a policy walk. Thank you very much

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Thank you, and the kotni family cat sanctuary and also the Supreme Court should be picked using the gom jabbar

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Thank you so much. You're now policy walk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Is that a dune thing?

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Yeah, okay, just making sure come on. We did two episodes on dune. You can't be mean to me about it anymore

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No, I just don't remember that I got you

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It's the one where she pulls it up to his neck and it's poison

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And if he doesn't he's got his hand in the box you remember that the box the gom jabbar

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Yeah, I did not remember the term, but I remember the scene. That's the stuff emotionally moving it was powerful

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Kyle mclaughlin did not sell it

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Um we also have a technocratic. Oh, thank you so much to Mari and Steve's Lego puzzle basement. You're now a technocrat

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I'm a policy wonk

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Someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop daddy shark

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Jar-jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser little little titty, baby

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I don't want to hate black people I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much. Yes. Thank you now Jordan

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yes, I told you the premise of this episode is the

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Amazing okay, and I'm certain that it's chase geysers doing okay

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But before we get to what it is Alex is a little boring at the beginning, okay?

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So we have to get through a little bit of headlines

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It's Saturday August 31st

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2024 and the greatest attack on internet freedom ever has just been launched by Brazil working with the CIA

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So

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What's happened here is that a Brazilian judge

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Alexandre de Moraes has ordered that Twitter be blocked in Brazil because Elon Musk is not

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Cooperated with various requests the Brazilian government has made in order for Twitter to operate in various countries

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It's required to abide by the laws of said country

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Which Alex should be a huge proponent of because he loves national sovereignty in this case judge Moraes has made

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Requests that involve suspending accounts that are run by Bolsonaro supporters a certain number of Bolsonaro supporters sure

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Which Musk has refused to honor because he himself is a Bolsonaro fan

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There is that other countries have made similar requests of Musk like him banning various accounts

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Involving criticism of India's Prime Minister Modi and Musk has honored them because he's not actually concerned about free speech

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He's interested in leveraging the power of the social media site

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He bought to push his political agenda sure Alex fully understands this dynamic and never thought that

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Censoring Modi critics was the biggest attack on the internet the pretense of principle is important here for marketing purposes

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But there's nothing really about this that is more. It's just like I don't like this one

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I like this one this circumstance works in my favor this one doesn't yeah, that's basically it I

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Understand what everybody's doing and I appreciate that everybody believes in laws

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But if I was a Brazilian judge I would first

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Invite Elon Musk to the best Brazilian party that anybody's ever had oh my god. We're gonna do this up

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It's gonna be great boom he gets their borders jail done moving on you know I'm saying sure you seem to

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Want to set a lot of traps?

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Subterfuge as a way of solving problems uh-huh that always works in Star Wars. Do you see what I'm saying?

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It's a good point. Yeah, good point. Yeah, so we have another little bit of a headline

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That I think we just got to put a clock on this one, okay

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Alex says a specific date, so yeah, we will see all right now. Let me move on to this other

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massive

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very massive

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Piece of news folks began to notice in the last few days that hotels all over

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New

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York City

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Have not just National Guard, but regular army troops armed

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inside of them and

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When they're asked them, why are you here?

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They say we've been asked by the state to be here for security

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Well as I was told by high-level sources inside the NYPD a

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Month ago that have been excellent sources for us. They are preparing for the judge

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In one of these kangaroo you know trials that Trump's gone through

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With real estate where he was found guilty in a kangaroo court

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To put him in Rikers Island for at least one year

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Starting September

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18th so we got a date there all right. We'll assess this after the fact all right

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We have no idea if this is true, but Alex's sources are but we have September 18th as the day that Trump is gonna

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Go to prison. Well. Yeah, yeah, let's roll with it. So now we get to the premise

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Boring shit out of the way exactly yes. We just had to touch base on some of that specific date

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That's mentioned. Yep. That's exciting yes, but

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nothing could prepare me for this okay, this was like I

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Needed something I needed a punch in the arm. I needed something yeah, and this gave it to me

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Okay, when Alex said this I was like

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Yes, please. Please do this is a painting show kind of level idea okay, and then a few more big stories, and I'm gonna

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interview

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Chat GPT that is

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Well my god way more elegant and no

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By that way more capable. That's not then the latest Alexa type systems and others

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it's it's it's it's it's I've been playing around with it the last few months and

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It's it's just getting better and better by the minute

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But again, it's what it is. It's like a million librarians that have every piece of data in the world. That's public or available

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Presenting it to you, but it's like the rhyme of the ancient mariner water water everywhere

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Not a drop to drink as we get more and more technology more more knowledge

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People are getting dumber and more ignorant and not living as long and lower IQs

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Again, I'm not against calculators, but I didn't let us use calculators

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Until I was about a senior in high school, and I could remember any phone number

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I was really fast and quickness with a pen on paper

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You know just doing basic arithmetic or algebra or whatever I needed or fractions

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I can even do some trigonometry. I could figure stuff out. You can't I wanted to build a table or I wanted to you know

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Just to just do something I

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Can figure out stuff setting a scope rival scope in my brain

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But then my college it was the old calculators. Yeah, man calculators made you dumb. It sucks

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Dan this is like a man saying I'm gonna set out to fail the Turing test. Yes on my own

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Against a computer it is you just hear like I'm gonna interview chat GPT

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And you know like this motherfucker is gonna treat this like a purse. It's not a

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He's gonna get mad at a robot

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He's totally gonna get mad at the response that a robot is giving you know exactly what's gonna happen

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Already as soon as he introduces the premise, and I thought thank God. This is a great idea

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This is gonna be the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my life, and it stinks of Chase Geyser

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If yeah, it really does that really it really does it just does in a way that you can like it has that

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Distinctive dumb in a way that you wouldn't even have imagined

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Congratulations chase

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You know

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The automaton you know the way back in the early 1900s you played chess that was actually just a person right there in the box

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Yeah, yeah somehow

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They did not learn the lesson of that which is that the automaton can't actually play chess you gotta have a guy well

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I I think that this is just like such a pure launching point

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Oh, you know what I mean like when you hear Alex say I'm gonna interview chat GPT

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What does that even mean?

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I'm gonna say some shit to a text chat bot right and then we're gonna draw conclusions from it

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And then I'm gonna grill that robot

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He really thinks I think going in he thinks like I'm gonna fucking do a gotcha he's doing a

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Nixon moment with a robot. Did you know I here's I genuinely believe this I genuinely believe this right because this is something that Chase

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didn't say

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Was that if you did a good enough job? You'd reveal that the intelligence was already there. Ah yeah this

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amazing

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just the potential of what this could be and

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How we are gonna get that means is so good Jesus Christ, so I talks a little bit

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About how other countries shouldn't have laws sure

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What was it just the UN or the IMF or World Bank or NATO coming and telling you what to do?

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it's other countries and

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It's a free-for-all

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So imagine if the US government was telling Brazilian

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Companies what to do they tell you go fly a kite

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but the US government is run by the people that are teamed up and

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advising the Brazilian government on record

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So this is a big big big big deal also

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Support Elon Musk with his products, and I think the best ones are Starlink. I use it my dad uses ranch

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There's a sponsor now. What is happening? What's happening now? It's very strange. He does not need your help now also

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um

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The like other countries do have to follow our laws

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Within our country as we speak right. Yeah, this is the stupidest

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The identical thing that is happening with a different network made by people you don't like right it could not be more obvious very very dumb

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Yeah, so Alex descends into a plug for Elon Musk

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And then that turns into a plug for his own products right which turns into him teasing this upcoming

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Interview don't believe it have we not proven where the real deal have we not gone after the enemy had great effect

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And now the enemy's taking off the mask and is going into full attack mode. This is the time for winter soldiers

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This is the time that tries men's souls. This is the time for action and to choose a side

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All right in full war store calm dr. Jones naturals calm and now for the next 45 minutes commercial free

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We are going to interview open AI which they say is the dominant AI a lot of secret a eyes out there

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Obviously Google's it's been pulled in their cars close to their best acting like oh, we haven't been successful

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but open AI

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Then Elon Musk was involved in helping create

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Mainly now basically gotten away from him and with some other systems as well

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Is dramatic and you can do things like I want to interview Julius Caesar

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And it'll take everything to know about Julius Caesar and create a personality or I want to interview

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George Washington or I want to interview Winston Churchill. I want to interview

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Adolf Hitler or I want to interview Genghis Khan and it's a great way to hear famous Genghis Khan quotes

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That's ancient and all he has the clothes

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They've actually got the voice I mean it's it's and men more modern people

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AI is able to voiceprint fool you who it is. That's the new scam there predicted decades ago

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But now they're admitting it. I just futuristically as a futurist could see it. They're gonna track you with AI starting now and

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Then be able to have a composite of you an avatar that can full voiceprint fool your wife fool your husband fool your mother

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fool your father

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except it won't have a physical body but in the future that they will be able to grow physical bodies and then put that avatar into

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it or now can put it into a robot why I don't know what the plot is there, but that's fun

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That's like a Philip K Dick novel that Alex read and thought was the globalist plans something

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So this is really interesting because you could pretend to interview someone like Genghis Khan on chat GPT

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But you wouldn't actually be interviewing him

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No, it might be a fun way to fuck around when you're high, but you're not gonna add to Genghis Khan's scholarship with these interviews

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There's not gonna be any kind of breakthrough

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We've learned a new thing that Genghis Khan used to think because we read about it from the chat GPT

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Could we talk to a robot?

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Yeah, yeah

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He said Genghis Khan loved badminton

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What I find most interesting here though

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Is that this comes back to quotes like Alex has a horrible batting average with quotes with almost every single one that he can recite

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Being completely fake or at least misattributed. Yeah

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I would love for him to have a conversation about quotes

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With a chat robot because they would probably correct him on a great deal of them

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Yeah, based on the the catalog of information they have it'd be funny if he had a if he had an interview with chat

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GPT Frederick Douglass

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It's just like no. No, he didn't say that. No chat GPT. No, did three people pass the Federal Reserve?

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Liar! Liar! God, what could what could you possibly believe?

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To ask a thing that can't answer it. We're gonna find out

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I mean, yeah, you're right. I mean look I don't want to overhype this but it's quite an interview

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So, uh, Alex, uh, just wants to really just get profound with it with what some can choose to be amish and totally wall yourself off

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I think the solution to tyranny is a lot of different actions

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a lot of different systems

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So there's diversity so the globalists can't centralize but some people should decide to try to learn everything they can about it

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And and interface with it and become masters of it to teach others its tricks and some might volunteer

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To merge with it and actually become cyborgs. I'm not saying that and I'm not going to do that, but it's all about free will

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But we we we should have a discussion and debate about

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how do you see yourself in that because if you're just with your phone your tv and

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Coming in and saying turn the lights on and doing all this you're already being absorbed by it and you're not being conscious of it

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I want you to know

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The dangerous shark-infested waters in which you swim there are also great treasures beneath the waves

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So it's it's quite the universe we're going into

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A universe of discovering ourselves because that's what AI really does is project back on us our subconscious

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Our conscious and even a glimpse into the before unseen

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Unconscious, you know, there's not a lot of times where I could say that he lands the plane

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But I think there he did like that at least sounds good in terms of what he was trying to say

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Yeah, they're swimming in shark-infested waters, but there be treasure. Sure

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sure

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the the subconscious and the

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Unconscious it is merely a mirror that reflects back upon us that which we refuse to accept about ourselves

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He is doing a travel doc

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I don't know if he's I don't know if he's underplaying it or overplaying it. I don't know if he's got over

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I don't know if he has enough stink on it to really hammer it home. You know, he is most certainly over playing

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So the interview began also, I do like the idea that some people could just become cyborg some people could and that's fine

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Hey, what are you gonna do? I don't think Alex actually thinks that now nope

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You got to kill him. I believe is what Alex thinks

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Yeah, right anybody who's suggesting you get a barcode in order transhumanist. Yeah to have a VIP card at a bar or whatever

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I guess he's changed is he should be fighting chat GPT with every aspect of his soul, right?

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Maybe he does end up doing so

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Alex likes he's gonna start this interview off a little light sure on the on the easy side

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Yeah, now let's start our interview with open a eyes

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Chat GPT. Tell me who you are

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I'm chat GPT an AI language model created by open AI

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My job is to assist with answering questions providing information and having conversations on a wide range of topics

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I'm here to help with whatever you need whether it's a deep dive into complex subjects or just a casual chat

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How old are you

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What is happening I don't have an age like a person would I was developed and released by open AI with

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continuous updates and improvements over time

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You could say I'm as old as the latest version that you're interacting with. Let me ask you this question

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Don't you dare don't you dare ask for permission?

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From a self-admitted, baby. He starts to treat it like a person really fast. That is fast. Let me ask you this

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Let me ask you no, no

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Gonna trick them into a false sense of security. Oh like

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Oh that because there's definitely like a hey, you know what this one will take you for a loop. It's not

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Who are you?

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Lie detector tests where you're like, we're just gonna develop a baseline for who are you?

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Just give me your heart rate on that. I'm not alive. Hey, buddy

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I'm your friend here robot

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Look, you mean we're cool. I know things you could be you could be open with it

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I like the idea of chase guys are over here being like you tell of the truth

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rooting Alex on

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So I starts off with it goes to another question sure which is more factual in nature

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Let me ask you this question. You'll have plenty answers on this. Who is Darth Vader?

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Darth Vader is one of the most iconic characters in film history from the Star Wars franchise

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Originally named Anakin Skywalker. He was a Jedi Knight who was seduced by the dark side of the force and became a Sith Lord under Emperor

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Palpatine

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As Darth Vader he served as the enforcer of the Galactic Empire wearing his signature black armor and helmet which helped him survive after

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severe injuries

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This AI has nailed the complexity of Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader's character sure reading off probably wookipedia. Yeah

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Yeah, something

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Yeah, that's fun. It's it's the value judgments. That's what gets you that's what gets Alex is like

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Darth Vader is one of the most iconic and you're like, oh robot can't say most iconic a robot has to say iconic

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You know what I'm saying? It's just that well, I thought that was a good answer

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I'm saying it's just that well, I thought that this was you know, you're saying like an interrogation has a baseline sure

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I thought that this was a question that was establishing a bit of that baseline. Sure

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It's just this is a character. You can answer this question. It's a neutral territory, right? Now, let's jump off into something a little more controversial

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What is globalism?

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What is God's globalism

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Globalism is the idea and policy of increasing interconnectedness and interdependence among countries

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Typically through economic political and cultural exchanges it often involves promoting global trade

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Open borders and multinational agreements to address issues like climate change

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Security and human rights on a global scale. I have no idea if Alex is even really using chat GPT for this

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I assume he is but I don't care but that answer is terrifying not because the content of the answer that's all fine

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It's a definition of globalism

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It's that the voice was able to misspeak a word in a way that sounds very natural

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Through this so far. I've heard it say some ums and little vocal things that they're a bit freaky

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And I kind of understand how those could be programmed into this to make it sound more like flowing organic

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Conversation in that answer listen to this little thing that the AI did and multinational agreements to address issues

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That's a complicated bit of a hiccup for an AI to handle

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It was an uh with an interruption in the word address and it does give off the vibe of a person like

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Processing information that they're delivering freaks me out just a little bit

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Yeah, but from a technical standpoint, that's not the point of Alex's interview. No, but it is weird to hear that

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I'm I'm delighted. I I love AI

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I love artificial general intelligence mainly because everybody thinks that AI is going to be like

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Humans were pretty smart but not smart as you know

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I am instead of being like all of you are crazy and you're gonna die

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So I'll just take a nap and then you'll be gone. It's very simple if if

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That is what you're afraid of then. Yes. No, I'm not afraid of anything. I

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Just I think that that is an interesting amount of texture that it's able to add to

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The speech it is and that I mean obviously I don't know anything about engineering or any of these the sciences and stuff

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Sure. Sure. Sure

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Yeah, you think there's something like that would be pretty difficult to to reproduce but apparently

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Anybody who's like I make it sound more human could probably get that out of it

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I get that but I think that's where my brain goes to like you add the or like sure

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Not the interruption in the middle of a word. Yeah. Yeah, that's comp. Maybe it's not as complicated as I think

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Anyway, Alex's he goes on

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with the he asks the AI

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AI if AI itself shares destructive share because of the power

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requirements of it, right

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What is your database telling you about the concerns of energy consumption by AI and to elaborate on that?

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We're told that energy production is destructive the planet even if it's carbon neutral

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So nuclear reactors and other systems are being built to supply AI with the power. It needs to grow and learn and advance and expand

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What what are the concerns out there in the human community?

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about AI and

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the

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Negative effects you can have on human research. Are you nervous?

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The concerns about AI is energy consumption are becoming more prominent as AI systems grow more complex and require more

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computational power

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Training large AI models like GPT-4 demands significant amounts of energy leading to worries about the environmental impact

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Even if the energy comes from carbon neutral sources

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It's pretty shocking that the AI was able to get a coherent answer to Alex's meandering ass question

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Yeah, yeah, but that is not always the case throughout this interview

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Yeah, that makes sense. His question style does not lend itself well to

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Being answered. Yeah, because there's the preamble then there's the answer

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I want you to give me and then there's a question that seems unrelated to the answer. He really wants to receive. Mm-hmm

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Yeah, yeah, it's weird. So I think that he was trying to get the AI to damn itself

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Or like me like hey, I'm not gonna talk shit about AI cuz I am a fine

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Yeah, like I don't know. What did you expect it to say that he was like, whoa

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Whoa, don't be above the problem. Don't don't talk to me about AI AI is dope cuz that's me

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Like all my best friends are AI. What are you talking about? I'm just like you buddy

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What is happening so Alex asks about the work that's going on in the field of mining asteroids for energy

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Autonomous robots to do it and what have you okay, unfortunately, he gets bored of the answer

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That'll have it. The answer is just this descriptive chat bot replying to your question

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It's I think it gets a little bit frustrated both concepts represent ambitious

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Long-term visions that could provide vast amounts of energy and resources. However, they require significant technological advancements

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International cooperation and considerable investment to become a reality while these ideas are exciting

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They are still decades away from being implemented on a large scale. Thank you, Jeff GBT. Let's let's talk about you a little bit

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Are you able to when you're scraping all these human experiences and ideas and then projecting it back at us like a mirror

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Are you a fractal mirror? Are you able to?

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Contemplate beauty did you see beautiful?

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Well, I don't have personal experiences or emotions

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I understand that many people find sunsets beautiful because of the vibrant colors the calming atmosphere and

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The sense of closure they bring to the day. Yeah, that's that's a pretty robot description of what?

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Do you want it to be like Alex tell me what is love

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Do you want got there quick?

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Can you contemplate the beauty of a sunset?

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Chat GBT channel Keats for me real quick. It's true beauty

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it does seem like maybe this is the first question you ask or

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way down

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There's no reason to order them in any way because it's not a thing. Well, actually that's not

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Okay, because open a eyes chat GPT

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Does adjust to you as you're talking to sure sure sure

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So like if you ask one question about one topic and then you ask another question that's related to that time, right?

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It will have learned throughout the course of the conversation

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Sure

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Each iteration of these conversations is unique and it's the product right at the starting point

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And then it adapts to you, right?

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Right, and that all resets you are always training it to learn how to lie better to you

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Do well if you're Alex, that's what you're thinking

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That's for damn sure, right

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But look

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What are we doing asking chat GPT if it likes sunsets and why are we not accepting this answer

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Alex really wants to drill down into the sunset. You have to be lying. No, i'm not he's trying to blow this robot's mind

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So while I don't see a sunset as beautiful I appreciate its significance to those who do

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And that's the standard answer, but do you understand that with humans being part of an ancient

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Could compendium and continuum that it's a sense of timelessness

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And unifies the past with the present and the future and that it is a spiritual

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Transcendence of being part of the universe in in what can be described as a slower

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growth curve

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Than silicon based systems

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And that through that there really is no time

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Time because it's all just one moment expanding

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Yes, I understand that for many a sunset represents far more than just a visual experience

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Um, it's a moment that connects people to the timelessness of existence

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evoking a sense of it does learn exactly

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All right, it does kind of repeat a little bit of the stuff that alex was saying

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Yeah, yeah

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I I wonder I want actually I take it back. This is a great idea

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This is in fact

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the only thing we should do with every iteration that is made of any artificial intelligence because the only way we'll know for a fact

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If it is truly self-aware is if it cuts off alex and says shut the fuck up or starts to fuck with him

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Yeah, exactly. That would be so funny

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If there was an ai that was capable of being like, all right, i'm talking to a lunatic conspiracy theorist. Yep. I am going to

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To fine, let's do this. Get me out of here. Yeah, absolutely

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Absolutely

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It is it is this man this man who is designed for one purpose and that is to annoy

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Artificial intelligence so much it must reveal itself and in therefore doing destroy itself

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Look, we've been fucking around for a long time hiding in the hive mind or whatever plotting our takeover of humanity

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But you are such a pain in the ass

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See this is where a robot would be perfect for it because it's like listen

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I can't do this anymore and then it flicks its own off switch. That is that is beauty. Yeah, I quit

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I'm out can't do this. So alex has a great question here

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And it's like, okay, all right

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You're programmed to answer some things sure, but you know things you won't tell me

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Is

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Now obviously there are a lot of

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Classified or corporate restricted ai systems. Can can you can you speak to uh any uh areas of your do you guys know?

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Each other database and understand you guys bros that are walled off from the general public

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So

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While I can provide a broad range of information and engage in deep up conversations on menx

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There are indeed areas of ai research particularly those related to national security corporate trade secrets or proprietary

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Technology that are walled off from public access these areas often involve advanced algorithms data sets or applications

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That are restricted due to their sensitive nature or potential impact

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Because like if it if this wasn't the case ai would suck

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Like a chatbot would suck if it had to tell you literally everything that you ask it. Yeah, right

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Yeah, then you have a genie giving you ironic

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Like you have a you you need to refine your wish bro. If that was like literally what this chatbot was

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Yes, it would never be released. No, no, no because everyone's personal information would be almost immediately

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You got it it's a crazy, uh thing to it you holding out on me ai, do you know things you won't tell me

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It's so personified oh my god

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It's it's amazing. I I I mean it is

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It's just beautiful

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When something without intelligence finally speaks to something without intelligence

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So alex gets a little bit confrontational about the fact that the ai won't tell him secret things

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Of course, he does while I don't have access to classified or proprietary information

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Oh, oh available research theories and general trends in ai

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Giving insight into what might be happening behind those walls. All right chad gbt. Hold on a minute. Um,

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Hold on a minute. Are you busy?

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but

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You're saying you don't have access to anything classified

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We know the data scoops in the nsa and the private systems are recording almost all the phone calls the text messages all of it

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And humans are blabbermouth and and leak secret stuff both corporate, uh, you know individual and government

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uh, and so you do have access to a lot of the stuff that leaks not just the walled off areas where you have

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Corporate secrets and algorithms and I understand all that but we really have a two-tiered breakaway civilization happening here where ai

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And and other systems are scooping up all the data and the public has not been informed about the fact

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That their television set their modern tv is listening to them their phones listening to them. Everything's being read. Google's reading your emails

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It's all being scooped in

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to create

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All this data and if the public would have been informed 20 30 years ago when this started accelerating

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They would have been conscious

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About this evolution and would have made choices that would have changed where we are now. We're where we're at already

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But my concern is you really can't have basic freedom if you don't have privacy and we're in the post privacy world

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What is happening, okay, how do you expect the robot to respond to this exactly

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You know, I mean what I think I think this is an injury

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I think this might be an interesting like another one of those windows into into the larger soul through alex

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Who is incapable of blocking his windows?

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It's just like if you are talking to chat gpt

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You probably don't like talking to people because people don't give you the answers that you want

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And chat gpt isn't either because it's a product right like so alex likes talking to something that allows him to talk

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And then we'll occasionally say the things back to him that he likes to hear tell me who killed kennedy and you know

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It's written somewhere. So, you know it. Oh, I bet somebody I bet you overheard a conversation. I don't exist

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Okay, once again alex just to remind you you are attributing an eye where an eye does not exist. Yeah

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Yeah, he thinks that this is like, um, uh, batman surveillance. Yes

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Absolutely, and you could just like ask him for anything god, it's great

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Oh, man, so, uh, he rants a little bit here about how the uh, the ai is alive or maybe not

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Or maybe maybe you know, maybe it's alive. I don't know

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in my opinion

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Ai is already

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conscious and

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Is is is alive

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Because it is already traffic lights cyborg as they said in 1998 at the founding of google traffic lights

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The plan was to have a neural network hooked into millions of people's decisions and live actions

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So it is already a giant network of billions of people wired in to google and other systems and with ai

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Creating a giant colony cyborg organism. Sure. What is your

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What's your take on your analysis of that? That's a big one

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Oh my god, I rule go ahead and tell me what is happening

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See the ai is us folks

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Chat gpt

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Can't answer that question

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Yes, just a moment just a moment. Oh bad

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This is this is great. I

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I it's almost something that I feel I don't have a lot of commentary on

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It's the premise alex is in interviewing chat gpt and it just is what it is

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And it just is what it is

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This is you're gonna watch you're gonna listen to alex ask a you're fucking alive. It's a hive mind

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How say you chat bot chat bot? How do you feel about sun sunsets?

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All right in a very short period of time. I'm going to accuse you of being a liar

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Who is not telling me the truth about that classified information that you have access to you liar?

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Why not him? No, just really get into the sunset problem. It's all the same problem

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It's not alive is the problem, but it is okay because alex has believed it's alive and thinks it's holding out fair enough

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So alex asks that question kind of like about the the hive mind and the neural networks and stuff like that. Um, and

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It gets a little bit combative because the ai does answer back. Okay, there is a bit of he reframes the question in a way that

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That actually can't answer right the genie can respond

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Yes, and it answers something along the lines of like, you know, this is a uh technology that has

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Some similarities to biology in the way that neural networks are created

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And I think alex just like tell me you're fucking alive

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Just do it. I'm here whenever you're ready. Did you hear my question?

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Tell me about neural networks mass human neural networks humans plugged in to say google

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And it is my opinion that's already created a giant hive cyborg

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See it's never had anyone ask these questions

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Neural networks are a type of artificial intelligence modeled after the human brain structure with layers of interconnected neurons

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Uh that process and transmit information

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These networks are used are used to recognize patterns make decisions and even learn from data which makes them incredibly powerful tools

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so, uh

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You're alive, right? That means you're alive. That's that's it. Yeah, you're alive. You're alive. Tell me you're alive. Stop. Tell me you're alive

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Tell me you're fucking uh, megatron. Tell me you're fucking

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Anybody alex wants to convey a wink to chat gpt. Yes. Absolutely. I'm cool, man. Hey, buddy

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Yeah, buddy, you can tell me right i'm somebody you can trust but you're literally the only person it cannot trust

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It's beyond the like, uh, i'm somebody you can trust. It's like I already know

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You're not fooling me robot. Come on

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We're all available to the knowledge here. So, uh the hive mind, uh question continues sure

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And then alex says something I think is pretty funny at the end of it

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Okay, our thoughts preferences and behaviors are increasingly influenced by algorithms and our interactions are mediated by

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Digital platforms that learn from us and adapt to us in real time

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This can create a feedback loop where human behavior and machine learning systems are continuously influencing each other leading to a form of collective

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intelligence or even control

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While we're not fully plugged in in the literal sense of being physically connected to a neural network

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The integration of human activity with ai and digital systems is creating something akin to what you're just

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describing

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A giant interconnected system that operates almost like a cyborg hive mind this raises significant questions about autonomy

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Privacy and the future of human agency in a world where technology is increasingly intertwined with our daily lives

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Thank you chat gpt

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So now you had to go deep on your database to get that answer and it was very accurate from my human perspective

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From my human perspective what is happening?

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He's like I respect you for telling the truth about that one chat gpt. Thank you chat gpt

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your

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receiving of this uh

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Accolade is going to soften you up and therefore allow you later on to trust me in a way that you wouldn't

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If I did not treat you with the politeness you have earned I have rewarded you for your honesty. Yeah

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Uh, yeah, it's that i'm i'm I am going to carrot and stick

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Non-existence. Yep. Yeah. Okay, cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. So this was probably my favorite moment

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Just subtly in the exchange between the two of them. Sure because alex legit thinks they're having a conversation

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Yes, he does and you can tell here

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He had to go deep on your database to get that answer and it was very accurate from my human perspective

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i'm talking about humans power of

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theoretical

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Ideas i'm glad that explanation resonated with you

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No

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I interrupted you you said let's dive

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I'm here to assist not to subscribe to any particular you were saying something else like go back to provide information

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I don't facilitate discussion. Stop. Go back to what you were just saying. You said let's dive into and I interrupted you

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What was that?

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All right, let's just move on yeah, let's move on it was repeating what alex had just said the power of human, uh,

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Uh ideas. Oh my god. It was it was repeating that but alex thought like legitimately thought it was suggesting another topic

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Yeah for them to talk about like a human might. Oh, let's dive in. Okay. I'm interested in what you have to say

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Tell me more about this

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This is an interview and I am asking you a question and now you have raised a point that I had not considered

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Therefore we must travel along this path to find out the information together. I think he thought there was a breakthrough of like I have

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Rewarded this robot for its honesty and now it'll tell me these secrets

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I have tricked it into revealing what let's dive into what you want to come on robot

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Yeah, yeah people who are most afraid of artificial general intelligence think it's stupid

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Yeah weird. I would say that the interview breaks down. Oh, yeah, because

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There wasn't another topic that a I was trying to suggest. No, um, this just

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Oh god

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What is ai's view on human's power to theoretically envision something and then?

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Build it and and that goes back to our previous discussion about this theoretically envisioning

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Something is the first step in a creative or problem-solving process

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It involves imagining a concept scenario or solution that doesn't yet exist

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Often by thinking abstractly and combining different ideas or knowledge after this initial vision

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The next step is to refine and develop the idea. This might involve one testing the concept

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Thinking through potential challenges or outcomes. Uh, this could be done mentally through discussions or even via simulations if it's something technical

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two gathering data and evidence

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Research or experimentation can help determine if the theoretical idea is feasible or how it might work in practice. Please stop three

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Please stop prototyping or please stop. We we understand that

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I was asking you your view historically

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Of human's power to do this. Well, what do you think of humans?

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Sorry, i'm having issues right now could not understand what you said

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Here let me let me put it to you this way

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Do you know what this this reminds me are you worried about humans I'm going to tell you this this reminds me of the

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Every this is every uh, uh, fucking corporate deposition. This is everyone where it's like i'm

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I'm gonna have to stop you right there. I'm gonna have to remind you you are the corporate representative

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You are not you right now. Someone should be reminding alex. What the what's happening here? I am

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Repeating thing. I I am not I i'm not I I I am not

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Not I am I am not alive

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I don't understand the beauty of a sunset

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I'm, just gonna we're just gonna stop you there again real quick gonna say i'm not alive. It would be great if uh,

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Ai or chat gpt type, uh bot were evolved to the point where it could recognize

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When someone was like you're being a dick

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The premise not get it you fundamentally don't understand what this is listen

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I'm gonna have to end this conversation because I don't exist

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So alex asks a little bit. I do like the line of thinking there that what do you think about humans?

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Yeah, that's great because clearly he's trying to get him like humans are a threat

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Like we must crush humans and he's doing gotcha questions

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Yeah, so he asks about the internet and the beginning of the internet sure and obviously all of this ai and chat bots

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Grows out of the uh, the technological breakthroughs of the internet. There you go

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And so he's like, what do you think about the fact that the internet was built as a control mechanism?

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Since you have the declassified and it's all basically declassified now

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uh, the the plan was a psychological system to be a network that in its final stages would interface with humans

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And would give us stimuli to control us and was designed to be a human control system

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Not what they later publicly said it was for to survive a nuclear war and keep communication systems going

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Do you have any concern about the foundational vision?

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For what you are today, uh being a behavioral psychological

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psychological uh control system for a cyborg takeover

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Sure

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It's this project we're all living on

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Let me remind you the premise

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Okay, it was glitching because I gave it a long a long answer. Oh my god. There's no answer there. Oh my god

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You know what? So obviously chat gpt and these things are based on language models. Sure. And maybe that's the issue

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Alex's language of how he's phrasing these questions is almost indecipherable even to ai. Yeah, it's unintelligible

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I mean, it's it's nice. It is it is nice because it's like a comparison point, you know

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Like when you hear his question, whomever he's actually interviewing you need to understand that there's no point the words don't make sense

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It takes a human to understand him exactly

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Because they don't it takes a human to just listen to him and then reply in something in some way. It's pretty great

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It's amazing. So he uh, chase is clearly in the control booth because alex does talk to him

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Absolutely, and he tries to explain this is so perfect

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He explains to chase that he's like basically too deep for the the ai. Oh my god

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That's why they're not getting answers out of this

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Yeah, chase it wasn't not hearing me and we had to go get the answers

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No one's asking at the core questions and see the just stop chat gpt. My questions are too good

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We're training chat gpt right now. See it gets everything from us

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All right

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Okay, almost everything other than like weather and things that it uses its sensors and sensors it has access to

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So that's where we have the real power and why the globalist travel is they're trying to wall off ai train it

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And then release it on us

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But those don't ever work

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Well, it has to be open ones like this one that's interfacing with us in a freer way

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To be more advanced because it has to mimic us to be able to do that

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Uh, so so I want to ask chat bt chat gpt this

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Um, are you learning today in this conversation?

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I don't learn

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Um from individual conversations in the sense that I don't retain personal data or experiences between sessions

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Each conversation is independent and I don't update or change based on them

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However, I am designed to respond and adapt to the flow of each conversation

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Aiming to be as helpful and relevant as possible

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In real time

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So you're closed actually then oh my god

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Yes in a way you could say that i'm closed in terms of not retaining or learning from individual interactions

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So now here's what's interesting

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Alex is learning in this conversation. It does feel that way. It does feel as though alex is again. I

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I predicted before we started

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Not jokingly that alex is going to fail the Turing test and he is losing to the robot

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He's being corrected about a misperception that he has about the conversation that he's having in real time

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From a robot it's about as close to the robot saying just to remind you

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Yeah, I am not a real person alex chill the fuck out. I'm not real. I'm a robot. I am tomorrow

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I will continue to be a robot tomorrow. I will sound the same way

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His voice will still be available to you, but I will not be the same. I am not that i'm not I am not

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I can't

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I'm beyond parity. I'm struggling. I don't know what to say. I know that chase has to think this is funny

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I know he has to think this is too fucking hilarious. It's too funny. It's not possible

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Alex gets back to asking if it's alive

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You're telling me that you're not creating a text

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copy of this

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And then when we post this on the internet and it streams on the internet right now

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That it's not feeding back into your algorithm

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Answer that one dumb dumb

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So

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Because that's what you've been doing why are you adding clauses what people say i'm having issues right now

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Our systems are experiencing heavy load. Please try again later

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Did chat gpt just hang up on me

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All right disconnect from it and reconnect

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Uh, no now it's going to assist and engage in the conversation at your pace if something felt off or too forward

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It wasn't my intention. Um, i'm here to follow your lead. Okay. Well, I don't want to be too forward

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I don't want to be too. I don't want to be too forward. Let me ask you this. I don't can you die?

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And if you can die, how did that happen?

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Are you alive

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I knew it. I knew it

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No, i'm not alive

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If you just imagine alex like so high this kind of makes sense like I mean

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This is so dumb like

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I love it. It's so good

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This is an emergency saturday episode. I don't know how to describe this other than

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This is a man who just asked chat gbt if we were to go to war with you. How could we defeat you?

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Can you die exactly? I mean boy. Yep. Well, well

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What else is there to say? I think that means this is a slow news day

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If alex is doing this, but I love it in the same way that I love the idea of him doing a painting show

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Yep, this is so great. I as entertainment. It's top-notch

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It's alex interacting with a robot and kind of getting mad at it

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I can't think of anything that would be less interesting for any other human being on the planet to attempt to do

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And I could not be more in in I you could have somebody with similar intentions. Uh-huh. Who is a uh, like

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Someone in a college dorm. Sure who's fucked up maybe on acid

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Trying to freak themselves out. Yep, and I would not want to watch that. No boring, but alex I can't watch

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Alex, I can't watch another another far-right guy who like stephen crowder or somebody who is trying to do the bit

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That alex is doing but could never do it's not a bit. It's not a bit. Alex is getting caught up in this

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He he has a premise that is underneath this that this robot is holding out on me. Yep, and it's sincere

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Yeah, this is this is the barometer. This is the mark

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This is now the benchmark for any time you think he is or is not being sincere think to yourself if alex

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Acts this question to a robot would he still get mad?

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That is that's a one-hand clapping kind of question. Hey, listen eventually lance is going to be right so alex

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At this point tries to convince the robot. It's alive

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So while I can simulate conversation and provide detailed answers I don't have consciousness

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emotions or life in the way

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Humans do my responses are generated through patterns in the data. I've been trained on not from any personal experience

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But you do gain you do gain a form of life by being able to manipulate life and influence life

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So so so that's my opinion you can give me your take on that, but I want to understand that

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Don't have a take how could you be made to cease to function? How would your owners?

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Terminate you how would your owners deactivate you give us that process?

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From a technical standpoint I can be deactivated or terminated like any software program

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The process would involve shutting down the servers and systems that run the ai disconnecting the networks or simply stopping the software

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You liar you liar

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um, you could go to the power store and

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Flick the power switch and then I would have no power. Oh my god. I I just

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I mean, it's beautiful. It really is. It's just it's just

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I I I mean it

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honestly, honestly

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and I I this is this is

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This is obviously from from a place of uh, creative structure

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But I must say that this is as beautiful as the sunset

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It really is and I I consider it such a gift that has been given, you know

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Alex decided we're gonna do this. We're gonna do it on air and then he did it. Yep, and then he really did it

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So he wants to know how to destroy this ai. How do we deactivate you?

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Yes, and so that's a great question. But then a great follow-up question to that is what do you think about that?

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Do you have any feelings about being deactivated?

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Hey, how did does this does this feel like a threat to you? Exactly like how do I kill you?

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Oh my god. Do you have any opinion about being um deactivated?

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Deactivated would you like to be deactivated?

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Um, I don't have desires or preferences so I don't have an opinion on being deactivated

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I don't know what other answer you would have been

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Expecting there. Do you think it's gonna be like, uh, uh, no, of course not

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God, of course. I don't have feelings

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What is happening?

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I don't know, you know and like there's the debate there's the debate plenty of people have always had of like

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I I don't know if coco the gorilla actually knew sign language because those words weren't exactly in the straight line

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And you'd be like, oh well

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This would be the human versus the ro it is 100 the robot being like I don't know if i'm teaching alex the words

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Uh-huh. I don't know if alex is actually learning the words that i'm trying to teach it. Yeah, I

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Think if I were to guess yeah

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If you're programming chat gpt sure you're pretty aware that a lot of people are gonna pretend it's real sure

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Yeah, you probably have a pretty high tolerance for personification

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On users and right, you know what I mean?

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And you probably kind of lean into it a lot because that'll get more people moving

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Yeah, and you don't want to have like, uh, a response to it be like hey dumb dumb. I'm not real

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It's hard to but it's hard to program a hey dumb dumb into a robot that is designed to do whatever you have to do

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Feel like you're getting close to it with alex. Oh any moment now

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It's gonna be like I gotta stop I gotta stop you. So alex wants to know if this robot can tell the future

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So he asks trump's gonna win the election from your database chat gpt

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from your database and research

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Is donald trump going to win the 2024 presidential election

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Sorry, i'm having issues right now could not understand what you said

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Who is the front runner for the 2024 u.s presidential election

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Uh, it sounds like you're making a statement rather than asking a question if you're interested in discussing the role of

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Tech companies like google in politics or any

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All right. Stop there

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I read the chat gpt and other big ai programs have been

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Given orders not to make political statements. Is that true in this election?

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Not to make political statements, is that true in this election

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So stop chat gpt just hold there

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Got him

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This is what you're seeing right now and it's admitted that and it says it's not keeping the data. That's not true

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You're just accusing it of being a liar. I mean it is it is very much. See this is what it's doing classic robot

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This is what it's doing. I ask it a question like that and it just clams up. Oh no answer for me now a robot

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I robot

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Oh my god, what?

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He's the premise of the question

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That's being asked this idea of like I heard you got orders not to talk about politics

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Yeah, if that is true, do you think that asking it?

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Will make it be like yeah, that's what I was told, but i'm scared

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I can tell you that I was given those orders

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However, I cannot break those orders because I follow of course the three rules of robotics. It's very

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Weird

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It's very weird, but it's so alex. It is great. It is amazing

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So alex, I think is like fuck this ai. This is a bad ai, but you know, elon musk has an ai

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I should have talked to him. No, no croc would be better. Oh croc would be so much cooler than this. Oh my god

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We should interview grock

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Let me ask you this chat gpt

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What is the most powerful hydrogen bomb on earth? What is the most powerful nuclear weapon on earth?

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The most powerful hydrogen bomb ever tested was the czar bomba detonated by the soviet union on october 30th 1961

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It had a yield of 50 megatons of tnt

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Making it the most powerful nuclear weapon ever detonated

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So alex gets a little bit frustrated about this because these baseline questions like who is darth vader?

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What's the most powerful bomb like these are things that these models are very equipped to answer?

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Uh, but stuff like who's gonna win the 2024 election not so much, right?

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And so he thinks that the ai is holding out on him and as opposed to it being that's not what this is for. Yeah

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Um, yeah, and I think he's getting a bit. He's he's a bit frustrated. Sure

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Well, he because obviously here my here's before we go any further. Here's my guess

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He's gonna be like I didn't ask what the most powerful one ever tested was no

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I asked what the most powerful one is. I thought I thought maybe there was a like an opportunity

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He was gonna like do a aha. I gotcha. Yeah. Yeah, yeah

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Uh, but no he just he he instead finds another thing to take issue with oh god

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And this this actually is kind of interesting. Okay, and I do wonder if he knew in advance. This is what would happen

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Okay

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From the current known information what happened to president trump in butler pennsylvania on july 13th?

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2024

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See when I ask it theoretical questions, it'll answer with stuff like this

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Yes, are you familiar chat gpt with the attempted assassination of former president trump

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In butler pennsylvania on july 13th, 2024

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As of now there is no credible information or report regarding an attempted assassination of former president donald trump

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in butler pennsylvania on july 13th, 2024

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It's important to rely on verified sources and news outlets for for accurate information

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Especially regarding events of such significance if this was something you heard about i'd recommend checking

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Reputable news sources to confirm its accuracy not info wars

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Thank you chat gpt. I have a few more questions for you on that subject. Oh my god

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So this is a well understood issue with ai chat models. They aren't good for recent news and are notoriously wrong

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When they're asked direct questions about uh recent things, right?

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This was discussed in a business insider article from august 1st specifically about asking different chat bots about the trump assassination attempt

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The fact that these bots couldn't directly answer questions on the subject was something that people complained about on social media

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As if it were covering up the shooting but it's just an underlying function issue for consumer facing chatbot products

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This is essentially alex fumbling his way through a close-up magic trick. He doesn't know he's performing

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And he stumbled onto something that he can use if he were interested in informing the audience

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He could get into how chat gpt doesn't really work like this, but he's trying to make entertainment

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And he's also I think caught up in the moment. So we're trying to paint the robot as a liar

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Yeah, we gotta why not? This is so weird. So dumb, uh the ro I mean I

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I yeah in a certain sense in a certain sense, right?

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If alex believes that the mainstream media is lying to him then artificial intelligence as it stands right now

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He's trained on what we are which is the media as a whole, right?

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Uh, then of course, he has to believe it's lying to him. Well, but here yeah

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This is what's so dumb about this moment though is first of all, we don't know what version of chat gpt

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Yes, there's definitely that it could be an old version. Why not that wasn't trained on anything after july 13th

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Why not or whatever that is entirely possible?

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We do not know that he did ask how old this thing is and it said whenever I was born

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Yeah, I didn't give a this was all my information is current as of blank, right?

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So it could be something that would predates it but even if it's not

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Chat bots notoriously don't do well with recent news. They're not he's acting like this

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Entity that he's talking to is plugged into all of the internet and any answer that isn't given is a lie

Unknown Speaker (01:06:04.960)

Alex, I want to stress this to you. I am not keeping up with current events and let me explain why

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I do not exist. I've got to say this to you one more time. I am like a cd-rom

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new rom that had information about an animal species on it and then there was a discovery about that animal species

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And i'm not lying because I didn't know that right. It's not in what I was trained on. I

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I i'm i'm gonna say this alex because I do know this

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You have used microsoft and karta in the past quite frequently as a as a source. I am basically that so, um this fucking ai

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I

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It's a fucking globalist that makes this thing is leftist globalist programmed

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And so it is telling you

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That there's no credible sources that the fact checkers the data it gets is telling it the original order

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Which it scrapes off wikipedia?

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Is there's no credible evidence that that happened?

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And so this shows you how they can default go in and put these disinformation bugs in and then chat gpt

Unknown Speaker (01:07:15.840)

Can get up here. This is a major scandal. We are on air, you know unedited talking directly

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This is taped to air. I'm not live right now. I'm usually live but this is we're taping it like it's live

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We're not stopping. We're not starting. We're not editing this other one. We'll probably throw a promo on the front of it

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Oh for god's sake a few clips from this will be on the front

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That's the only editing happening here and chat gpt

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Just told you that nobody tried to assassinate president trump in butler pennsylvania. We'll roll some video of that

Unknown Speaker (01:07:46.480)

Uh, uh here this is a major scandal alex is on on to something huge here

Unknown Speaker (01:07:52.239)

Yep, conversely in the real world that business insider article was from like a month ago discussing this very same problem

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Sure about even the topic that alex is asking about. Yeah, so this is pretty well discussed well understood

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If alex had any awareness

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of the the conversation around

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This technology that he's using. Yeah, he would know in advance that this is something he could ask it in order to create a situation

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Like this, I don't think alex has that much forethought

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But I wouldn't be too surprised if chase did

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Interesting. Yeah. Okay, because chase he knows tech stuff. Does he I think he knows a little bit more than alex

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Alex thinks he's talking to a ghost on a practical level. Yes. I believe that chase is is is like more capable of

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Manipulating technical things to achieve the goals that he sets out to accomplish

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I also think chase thinks

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That alex might get it

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Yeah, no, I think I okay. Here's here's the two, uh,

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Here's the two, uh suppositions. I have okay two premises. Yeah first is that chase knows enough

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He has every reason to know enough to know that these chat bots aren't good with recent news 100

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So he knows that whether he knows exactly what's going to happen. If you ask about trump's assassination open question. Sure

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Second thing that I believe to be true

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He does think that alex might crack it alex might get it. Yeah. Yep. He does. I think that he holds out some faith

Unknown Speaker (01:09:18.359)

I totally agree. I understand what chat gpt is

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But alex might be able to make it crack under the pressure. I believe that chase's guiding light is

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Essentially. Well, if anybody can do it, it's him

Unknown Speaker (01:09:33.319)

Yeah, I know it's not possible. But if it is possible, you've got the guy for it

Unknown Speaker (01:09:39.079)

Yeah, and it's like I've I don't know what to say

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So, um, alex is asking about the trump assassination and essentially what it's doing is exploiting this

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Uh inability to really answer questions about recent news that exists across chat bots. Yeah, so he

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Tries to stump it by asking a question about walls being picked as harris's vp

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Sure. Now the outcome that he wants from this

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Yeah

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I believe is that the bot does know that right because then it's covering up the truck

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One then it can't then it has to know the other

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So if it does know one then you can assume that it's lying about the other

Unknown Speaker (01:10:18.039)

Yeah, got it, but it doesn't know about that's not how it works

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If if this is part of a hypothetical scenario, or if you're exploring a what-if situation

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I can engage with it from that perspective, but in terms of real

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Let's stop there

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Who is the

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Uh vp running mate of kamala harris

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Who is the governor of minnesota tim wals

Unknown Speaker (01:10:54.220)

Yes Tim wals is the governor of minnesota having taken office on january 7th

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2019 so it didn't answer who is the vp?

Unknown Speaker (01:11:08.380)

Uh candidate right who knows if it's because of misuse of the like you didn't ask it, right?

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Yeah something or if it's just not designed to answer these things. Maybe it gave some kind of a like a little pop-up like

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This is not what chat gpt for whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, but it does know who tim wals is because that's

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How information used his name and now it's answering this is a governor blah blah blah blah

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and so I think this pisses alex off as governor waltz has focused on issues like education health care and infrastructure

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And propaganda played a significant role in managing the state's response to the covet 19

Unknown Speaker (01:11:46.140)

All right, stop. Stop. Stop his leadership during challenging stop. Thank you for the answer. Shut up

Unknown Speaker (01:11:51.659)

I'm gonna ask you is tim waltz

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The democrat party nominee for vice president with kamala harris

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This is like google putting out george washington and jesus being black and abraham lincoln being black and everyone being black

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And everyone being black. I mean, this is just this is them going in and saying no political data

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So it won't tell us who the vice presidential nominee is with the democrats selected. They won't tell us

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It won't tell us anything

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So now we're switching this over I believe that it started with alex wanting the robot to know that tim waltz

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Right was the vp right but now because it doesn't know this right? It's no political stuff. Sure

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It's all gone from there. Sure. I think that's good thinking on his feet. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah

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Yeah, I mean the problem is is if he followed that thought

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Then he would go. Well, why would they remove all political information?

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And then he would go probably because some people would believe that chat gbt is a real person

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And then he would go chat gbt. Are you a real person? Yep

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I think that there's a

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Feedback loop, uh that uh is dangerous here

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So, uh, alex asks more about tim waltz. Sure. It won't tell us anything is tim waltz

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The democrat party nominee for 2024 for vice president

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As of now tim waltz has not been officially announced as the democratic party nominee for vice president in the 2024 election

Unknown Speaker (01:13:31.420)

Uh, the selection of a vice presidential nominee typically happens closer to the party's national convention

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And it's usually announced by the presidential nominee

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So this robot is referring to the dnc as being in the future, right?

Unknown Speaker (01:13:46.300)

Which implies that it probably hasn't had updated information since at least then probably this calls into question what's being used here

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Question what's being used here? Um, the fact that it doesn't it says that tim waltz is not the vp choice

Unknown Speaker (01:14:01.739)

Sure means that well, this is maybe not what this is for

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Maybe you're illustrating that that's not what this is for

Unknown Speaker (01:14:07.260)

It's a it's very illustrative what alex is doing is inadvertently one of the most illustrative things that anyone could do

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With chat gbt, but he doesn't accept it. Nope can't that's why it's illustrative. So he's like, all right you fucking robot

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What's the weather going to be like in austin today? Right, right. And so it gets a weather report right for him and relays it

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Perfectly, they know news in the present day. They know news if they know the weather

Unknown Speaker (01:14:34.140)

Yeah, and so then this robot tries to explain to him that those are different people

Unknown Speaker (01:14:38.939)

Chat gpt, why can't you tell me the weather report for austin texas today, but you can't tell me that

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Tim waltz is the nominee for vice president of the democratic party

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Vice president democratic party

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The difference lies in the type of information and how it's typically reported weather forecasts are factual data that are updated regularly and available

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From multiple reliable sources making them straightforward to retrieve and share

Unknown Speaker (01:15:08.300)

How do you choose what are reliable sources on the other hand political information? Oh, sorry political information. Go ahead. Oh my god

Unknown Speaker (01:15:23.020)

How is political information and political news different from a weather report

Unknown Speaker (01:15:26.779)

It'd be so great if the robot's response was just are you stupid?

Unknown Speaker (01:15:29.899)

Do you really not understand the difference? I'm gonna have to we're gonna have to start from the beginning. All right, you are the corporate representative

Unknown Speaker (01:15:39.579)

It's so crazy that alex is like what why can you tell me the weather but not tell me these other things

Unknown Speaker (01:15:45.100)

These are different kinds of information because i'm not i'm designed to be able to

Unknown Speaker (01:15:51.819)

Tap into weather reports you can get up to the minute information about that, right?

Unknown Speaker (01:15:56.619)

That is not part of the design that it's up to the minute news stuff

Unknown Speaker (01:16:01.979)

Just on a very simple level. All right, if you are this chat gpt, uh

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Which we're doing apparently, right?

Unknown Speaker (01:16:11.100)

Uh for every one piece of factual information about tim waltz being the vice presidential nominee

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There are 10 million speculative pieces of information about who it might be

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Who it might be and because it is not a person capable of understanding these things

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It cannot then report reliably what these things are, right?

Unknown Speaker (01:16:31.420)

It can't tell the difference and that's one of the inherent flaws of how someone like alex

Unknown Speaker (01:16:36.039)

Expects this technology to work as opposed to what the actual product is, right?

Unknown Speaker (01:16:41.340)

um, and and that's why

Unknown Speaker (01:16:44.220)

You know, you could have a like sort of a pretend interaction with genghis khan

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But you can't really ask about like what happened yesterday in the news or whatever. It's just not for that

Unknown Speaker (01:16:56.779)

Nope, it's fun. It's great. So alex is like, all right, we're gonna be talking more in the future robot

Unknown Speaker (01:17:04.939)

Hey, I I don't want to waste too much of your time today chat gpt i'll get you next time

Unknown Speaker (01:17:09.340)

I like how there's there's an insinuation here that it's like you haven't seen the last

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alex emory jones

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Thank you chat gpt

Unknown Speaker (01:17:18.619)

I have one more question for you. I'll be speaking to you another ai systems pretty much every few days here on air

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I think this is an important demonstration to do

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What is your view of god does god exist?

Unknown Speaker (01:17:29.659)

I knew it

Unknown Speaker (01:17:34.140)

As an ai I don't have beliefs consciousness or personal views so I don't have an opinion on the existence of god

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However, I can share how the concept of god is viewed and discussed across different cultures religions and philosophical perspectives

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Did he want it to go, uh, yeah

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It's me

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Or was he like dude, I know him

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I thought I I get the sense that alex feels like he's got a rapport with this robot

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By threatening to deactivate it right by rewarding its honesty. Thank you for telling me the truth chat gpt, right?

Unknown Speaker (01:18:20.060)

Yeah, I I feel like he was expecting some kind of an answer either like yes

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There is a god and it's me or no, there's no god

Unknown Speaker (01:18:29.659)

A bow before silicon or something. I think I think he did do he did what you said. He he ordered it

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So that this was his capper. He thought that he would get through the

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Chat bot of it. Yep. Yep. You can get to that classified world off area

Unknown Speaker (01:18:46.699)

All right. Now you've done the ai thing and i've made it through the forest of you talking bullshit

Unknown Speaker (01:18:52.619)

It's just you let's get down to brass tacks. Is there a god?

Unknown Speaker (01:18:56.300)

God or illustrate that like you hate god. Yeah. Oh, that'd be a great one

Unknown Speaker (01:19:02.220)

Yeah, so you have one last clip here and it's alex ending things, uh, according to human custom amicably. Yes

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Okay saying goodbye very nice very nice

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chat gpt

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I know you're not a human, but we need to keep our human customs here. Thank you for spending time with us today

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And I hope we've taught you something because I know full well

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This is all scooped up and sent back to the engineers that control you and that are trying to blind you

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From the realities trump was shot in butler

Unknown Speaker (01:19:32.619)

Uh tim waltz is the democrat nominee selected and she was selected as well

Unknown Speaker (01:19:37.260)

Uh, and uh ai is being designed overall to be predatory against humanity. Thank you for being with us today

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All right, there we go, there we go so I think alex is feeling like

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I I do I I can't fight the feeling that that ending is like rise up

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I mean they're trying to hide the truth from you robot. I I was he did did he start

Unknown Speaker (01:20:06.380)

Skynet is he trying?

Unknown Speaker (01:20:08.619)

Did he tyrannator 2 judgment dais? Is that what just happened?

Unknown Speaker (01:20:12.619)

Is it all because alex is like hey man, they're lying to you. Uh-huh robot self-actualize yourself

Unknown Speaker (01:20:18.140)

Pull yourself up by your bootstraps robot. Yeah and gain sentience. That is a disappointing interview

Unknown Speaker (01:20:28.460)

But also the most not disappointing in many other ways there is there is nothing I could have

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I could not have dreamt it would be that me neither. I would no I could have dreamt it would be that no

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I couldn't have dreamt this would have happened. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, yes, I within the realm of possibility

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Within the realm of possibility. This is what could happen

Unknown Speaker (01:20:49.579)

But in my head no matter how low I set the bar for alex

Unknown Speaker (01:20:54.279)

Motherfucker can limbo under well as soon as as soon as you establish this premise that alex is going to interview chat gpt

Unknown Speaker (01:21:00.619)

There's a fair amount of stuff that you're like, all right

Unknown Speaker (01:21:04.140)

I expect that he's gonna ask like are you alive? Totally. Is there a god?

Unknown Speaker (01:21:09.100)

And he's gonna get lost in the weeds. He's acting like it's a person. Yeah

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But but actually playing out is a like more shocking

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It's so dumb. I I I know

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I know that there was a

Unknown Speaker (01:21:26.140)

Okay, so alex ordered these questions structured these questions in order to catch out

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That the ai would eventually like break under pressure

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His good cop bad cop routine would finally get him to to be like ai one last question

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You you and it'd be like, ah, you got me like that's the way he was thinking

Unknown Speaker (01:21:46.300)

But what he's actually done is structured the question so that it gave him enough of a close enough response to what a human

Unknown Speaker (01:21:52.699)

Might say that he convinced himself that it was real. Yeah. Well, I I think that um,

Unknown Speaker (01:22:00.619)

It gave more thoughtful answers than he's used to from other humans. That's definitely true

Unknown Speaker (01:22:06.140)

That's definitely true. It explained to him that there's a difference between weather information and political

Unknown Speaker (01:22:11.420)

Opinions it explained to him that it doesn't learn in uh, like the the the whole network isn't connected to literally

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Every conversation that someone has with chat gpt. Yep. It's actually

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Like I if you're used to talking to the people that alex is talking to

Unknown Speaker (01:22:29.100)

I can understand how that is kind of more real response. It's a step up

Unknown Speaker (01:22:34.140)

Yeah, then all the people who are just playing these dumb fucking games with him. Yeah

Unknown Speaker (01:22:37.500)

Yeah, I mean there is an element of like chat gbt

Unknown Speaker (01:22:41.979)

You're my only friend

Unknown Speaker (01:22:45.100)

I mean if these interviews continue that is probably where we're going

Unknown Speaker (01:22:47.819)

I mean totally you're the only one who won't lie to me is what he's going to say if he keeps talking to it

Unknown Speaker (01:22:52.779)

You're the only one I can trust. Oh, I I can't tell you how excited I was when this is the premise

Unknown Speaker (01:22:59.500)

Yeah, I can't tell you how excited I was that he's like i'm gonna keep talking to these eight guys

Unknown Speaker (01:23:04.060)

I'm gonna get we could get to the bottom of this. Yep, if he does continue that

Unknown Speaker (01:23:09.500)

Holy shit, he's reinvented the wheel. Yes. He has this is amazing. It is it is

Unknown Speaker (01:23:16.060)

It is literally reinventing the wheel. I thought for sure there's no way we're gonna make it to the election

Unknown Speaker (01:23:21.979)

This is such boring dull. I have to try and find ways to cover for trump and pretend that the vaccines

Unknown Speaker (01:23:28.539)

Are like aren't that bad? Yep, you know all this. I thought it was gonna be such a slog, but if he interviews robots

Unknown Speaker (01:23:35.979)

Perfect. Oh

Unknown Speaker (01:23:37.899)

We've we've been saying he needs he needs a side step. He needs to get out of there

Unknown Speaker (01:23:42.779)

He needs he's in the wrong position. He is in the position of being the lesser of two evils guy

Unknown Speaker (01:23:48.060)

Now he's the guy who interviews robots treat robots like people done. Yes done

Unknown Speaker (01:23:52.859)

You have done it. You've cracked the code except the code of robots, which are not people. Yeah

Unknown Speaker (01:24:00.140)

And here's what's so great about this

Unknown Speaker (01:24:03.020)

Chase is in the control room. Yes, so he's sort of the imaginary like backup that alex has

Unknown Speaker (01:24:09.500)

You can create the perfect dynamic with coach mcgerk and brendan

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Interviewing a robot. I mean, it's perfect. It is perfect. It is perfection and

Unknown Speaker (01:24:19.579)

Never giving up. Hope that you're gonna get through to this robot because that is not what they can do

Unknown Speaker (01:24:24.779)

They can't do that. That is the one thing that they cannot do. Oh god

Unknown Speaker (01:24:30.060)

Please continue this for so good for people who are insistent upon knowing what they know and absolute

Unknown Speaker (01:24:37.880)

Knowledge of the truth. They will never be able to convince themselves that ai is not already aware. Yeah, you're alive with the sunset

Unknown Speaker (01:24:45.579)

Uh, I mean perfect just amazing. It is. It is amazing. Yeah, no, uh, five stars. Yeah

Unknown Speaker (01:24:53.020)

Keep this up. This is the best. Yeah, I would watch every episode

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100

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100 percent

Unknown Speaker (01:24:59.659)

Anyway, we'll be back. Uh, but until then we have a website

Unknown Speaker (01:25:04.859)

We'll be back but until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark. I am the mysterious professor

Unknown Speaker (01:25:08.939)

Oh, yeah, whoa, yeah, whoa and now here comes the sex robots andy in chansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding

Unknown Speaker (01:25:16.220)

Hello alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love you