Transcript/936: Turning Point USA Speech

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I have great respect for knowledge fight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying, we are the bad guys.

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Knowledge fight.

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Dan and George.

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Knowledge fight.

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Riddle her.

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Riddle her.

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Riddle her.

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Need money.

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Riddle her.

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Riddle her.

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Riddle her.

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Andy and Kansas.

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Andy and Kansas.

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Stop it.

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Andy and Kansas.

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Andy and Kansas.

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It's time to pray.

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Andy and Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding us.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your room.

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Knowledge fight.

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I love you.

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Hey, everybody.

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Welcome back to knowledge fight.

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I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're couple dudes.

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I'd like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex,

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Joe.

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Oh, indeed we are.

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Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan.

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Jordan.

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Quick question.

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What's up.

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What did you write about today, buddy?

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Can it still be that uncle Houdy is back?

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I mean, yes.

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Yes, it can.

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Dan.

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In that case, I'll take it.

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Because my other alternative was that I bought some jalapeno, or not jalapeno, habanero ketchup.

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Habanero ketchup.

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And it's actually pretty good.

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It's got a good kick to it.

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It's not the cheese, though.

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No.

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No.

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No, it's ketchup.

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I find that oftentimes when you have something like this, one of these spicy ketchups or

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whatever, it doesn't, it's a little underwhelming.

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But the habanero Heinz, no free rides, this isn't an ad, but it's pretty good.

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You know what?

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It's pretty spicy.

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I will tell you one thing about ketchup.

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The only thing that is stuck in my brain about ketchup is whatever nonsense Malcolm Gladwell

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wrote one time in The New Yorker way back when.

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Was it about antioxidants?

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No, no, no.

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It was like, why is ketchup ketchup?

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But there's all kinds of different mustards, but no matter what you try with specialty

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ketchups, it's not ketchup, or whatever it is like that.

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And now I know that none of what he's saying makes any sense at all, so I don't know anything

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about ketchup, but a one fact that is not true.

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I think that, I would, I'm gonna, having not read this Gladwell thing, I'm gonna argue

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with him.

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Don't worry, you're fine.

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Okay.

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A little bit.

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I'm gonna argue with the position that I imagine.

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Argue with Malcolm Gladwell?

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With the position that I imagine that he has.

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Yes, I like that.

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There are a ton of varieties of mustard, and there are a ton of varieties of ketchup, but

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most of the varieties of ketchup are bad.

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Yes.

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That's not, that doesn't mean there aren't a bunch of varieties of it.

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Sure.

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There are some bad varieties of mustard, too.

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Sure.

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I don't want to get into the year of the mustard that failed.

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Yeah, let's not relive the past.

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Part of that was because there's a lot of bad varieties of mustard, and I don't like

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it as much as I thought I did.

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But yeah, this ketchup's good, and Uncle Howdy is back.

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All right, yeah.

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Very excited.

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I like it.

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I mean, theoretically, that could be your bright spot in perpetuity.

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Sure.

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Until it stops being your bright spot, it is always your bright spot.

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Right, we live in a post-Howdy world.

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Yeah.

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What's your bright spot?

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Um, I will tell you this, my bright spot is challenge related.

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Okay, the real world road rules challenge.

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Road rules challenge.

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I don't know, I guess we don't spoil it?

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Sure.

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Um, yeah.

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I don't know how much people care.

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Right?

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But yeah, the finale just happened.

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Yeah, the finale just happened, but my bright spot is actually something that happened years

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in the past.

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Okay.

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Um, CT and, uh, who was it, was it CT and Casey?

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When they won?

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When they won and they were like, listen, everybody worked hard and we're going to share

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the money.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You know, because up until that point, it was first winner takes all, everybody else

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can go fuck themselves.

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And sometimes that was literally the plot point is the winner took it all.

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Right, Johnny Bananas.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah.

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And he can go fuck himself.

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Um, but then, but that was like a huge magnanimous gesture.

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And then the following season, I think Devin won and he backed up the gesture and now it's,

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they made it part of the show, which I think is great, but also, uh, it should have always

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been part of the show.

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With, uh, with this season, it was first place gets a big money and then, uh, whoever finishes

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splits the prize pool, the rest of it.

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And yeah, I mean, but it's all kind of an illusion, I think, because they all get paid

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quite a bit to be on the show.

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It's not the point, man.

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Yeah.

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Why do you have to bring reality into reality TV?

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You know what?

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Actually, I don't want to speak out of turn.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if they get paid a lot, but I think some of them do have a pretty big appearance

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fee.

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I know.

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I know plenty of them do not get paid.

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Uh, probably like some of the newer people and like people who aren't like giant established

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characters don't get much per episode, but someone like Johnny Bananas probably gets

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quite a bit.

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I mean, I don't know.

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You never know with those guys, don't they show up at bars sometimes just for, just for

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like a, an appearance fee.

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Is that how that works?

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I know that it has been.

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Can we get into that game?

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No, we're too old.

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Oh, okay.

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Fair enough.

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Yeah.

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Um, yeah, that is, that is good though that it's not winner take all.

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I like it.

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Yeah.

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Also, um, yeah, just a fairly enjoyable season of old person to old person.

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It was a good season of old person challenge.

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Yeah.

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Very, very, uh, you know, not, uh, awful, no satisfying.

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It could have been a lot worse.

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There were a couple of points, uh, there were a couple of people, uh, there are a couple

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of situations that could have spiraled out of control that actually kind of stayed in

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control.

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Uh, and characteristically.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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For sure.

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Yep.

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So, uh, we got an episode to do, Jordan.

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Do we?

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So, uh, let's, uh, let's get down to that.

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Uh, we're going to be talking today a little bit off the beaten path.

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We're going to be discussing a secret mission that Alex went on recently.

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He went to, uh, Detroit to go to the, uh, Turning Point USA convention where he gave

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a speech.

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And so we're going to be talking about his speech at Turning Point.

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Holy shit.

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Yeah.

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Uh, in this time period?

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Yeah.

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Just a couple of, couple of days ago.

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Just a couple of days ago the Turning Point USA conference happened?

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Yeah.

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And, uh, Alex gave a speech.

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Okay.

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It was wild.

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Wow.

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So we're going to talk about this, but, uh, before we do, let's take a little moment to

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say hello to some new wonks.

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Ooh, that's a great idea.

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So first, going to the Boston show with one of my partners and most of the polycule.

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Does that make us poly-cy wonks?

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Also Svetlana, I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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Smooth Shrek.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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I like the way you even read that.

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Well.

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You even read that.

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Kind of like.

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Smooth Shrek.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Next, Kyle in Kansas and to my raptor princess Samantha, who I love with all my heart, Stitch,

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and I hope you're having a good day at work.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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And Rock Island's best rural carrier, who happens to be a pretty awesome mom, too.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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You are now a technocrat in the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much to C-Murders.

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Life or death is better than Bossolini.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars.

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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark.

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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

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He's a loser little, little titty baby.

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I don't want to hate black people.

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I renounce Jesus Christ.

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Thank you so much.

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Yes, thank you very much.

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Jordan, you have no idea what any of that means.

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I know C-Murda both saw and conquered Murda and was then conquered by it, I believe.

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He is in prison for murder, which, I don't know, there's a lot of controversy about that.

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Some people say he didn't do it.

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Some people say he did.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But look, I've long been a supporter of Bossolini.

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Sure.

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Especially because I think it's a funny name for an album.

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It is a funny name for an album.

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Yeah.

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It feels like Mussolini, but like I'm a boss, Mussolini, which is great.

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Yeah.

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But it also, it just has some great tracks on it, like, like the, like a jungle.

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Okay.

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Life is like a jungle sometimes.

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It makes me wonder.

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Keep from going under.

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It's great.

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Okay.

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I will take your word for it.

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And the classic closing down shop with, with soldier slim and magic.

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Uh huh.

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That's a great song.

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But yeah, this person is right.

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I think life or death is a better album.

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Yeah.

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Second chance.

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Fantastic song.

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So, um, we are talking here about Alex's speech.

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Yes.

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And I'll be honest with you, I don't know a whole lot of the context of who else was

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speaking at this event.

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Um, I know that Trump was there, uh, not on the same day, I believe.

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Uh, Alex said that they, uh, his flight was delayed and so he didn't get to talk to Trump

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when he was there.

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Sounds right.

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He has said that.

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Sounds right.

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One of the things that I noticed about this is that this speech is very Jack Pysobek heavy.

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He gives the introduction to Alex.

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He's out on stage and he gives a little bit of a preamble and we're going to start there.

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It is time with God as our witness to understand that which is truly going on because we know

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the man who stood on this stage last night, Donald J. Trump, we understand the forces

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against him.

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It's not just liberals.

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It's not just Democrats.

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It's not just the un human communists because we understand that this is a war against the

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demonic.

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This is a spiritual war.

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I mean, this is just like something that needs to be addressed, quite frankly, that it's

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a spiritual war.

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These people are having a big convention and yelling that it is a spiritual war and people

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are cheering.

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Why?

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Because they think they're fighting demons and that's become pretty mainstream on the

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right wing.

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Sure, sure.

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I have never seen believing your political opponent to be an un-human predicate something

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terrible.

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Well, actually that's the name of Jack Pysobek's new book.

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Predicate something terrible?

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No, that's the first chapter.

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But yeah, un-humans is his book.

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Well, it's good that he snuck that in.

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I definitely got to get some branding going while you're giving your speech.

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It's one of multiple plugs for his book in the speech.

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Oh my God.

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Yeah.

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I just think that we lose sight of it because we talk about it a lot, I think, that this

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is Turning Point USA, which is fairly mainstream adjacent to the GOP.

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It's just totally fine.

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It is not controversial.

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It doesn't cause a political crisis that people are on stage screaming about how they're fighting

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demons and everyone's like, yeah, we are.

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Yeah.

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You know, I wonder if part of that is because we're post irony.

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Is it part of it that even they don't even believe they're being serious?

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We're not actually taking... We don't actually believe that they believe that they're fighting

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demons.

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Maybe they don't actually believe that they're fighting demons.

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See, now I think that that is a convenient way that people rationalize stuff because

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of course I don't think they actually think they're fighting demons.

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Okay.

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But do you think they're actually fighting demons?

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No, but I think that they want to behave as if they are.

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Sure.

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They want to use that level of justification for their political actions, which are going

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to be very, very bad.

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Yeah.

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I mean, but-

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They're going to be so bad that you probably could only justify them by fighting the devil.

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Probably.

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Probably.

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We got to not do movies anymore.

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No more movies.

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People are... Because it's more exciting to fight the devil, I will admit, than to

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be like, we need to deal with municipal traffic laws better.

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I get that.

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Right.

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But, boy, we need to deal with municipal traffic laws before we can deal with the devil.

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You didn't see that new municipal traffic law movie?

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Oh, man.

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That was Barnburner.

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Yeah.

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It was action packed.

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Action packed.

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So, Pessobic, I think that he wants to get people in a call and response kind of mood

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here.

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That's a good time.

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That's the best job.

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They are trying to take away our freedoms.

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They are trying to take away the freedoms of people like Steve Bannon.

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People like Peter Navarro, who is a political prisoner right now, this very instant.

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And people like Donald J. Trump, who they want to lock up for 700 years.

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Are you going to let them lock up Donald Trump?

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Are you going to let them turn this movement into political dissidents and political prisoners?

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Will you stand for a totalitarian regime that takes away our freedoms, that takes away our

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liberties, that takes away our children, that takes away our right to worship, that takes

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away our right to defend ourselves with the Second Amendment, and a regime that will take

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us down?

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What do you have to say to them?

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Absolutely not.

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You fucked up the meter in terms of the call and response with the audience, because they

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were itching to say no again, and you didn't give them an opportunity.

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It's every time, and I think it's not political party necessity, like solo.

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It's everybody.

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You can definitely feel how many people are failed comedians by like, oh, I get what you,

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you've done open mics, and we're rejected.

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And that's what you're showing me.

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There's some very clear incapability in terms of the public speaking that he's trying to

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do.

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He's trying to pull off a move that he just doesn't have the chops for.

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He doesn't have the chops for it.

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And it's actually one of the simpler of the rhetorical moves.

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It's like what somebody who's trying to pump up a crowd would do.

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Obama does it too, like when he pees.

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That's how inspiring that dude could be whenever he's doing that.

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He's got the cadence for it.

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Are we going to let Trump get locked up?

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No.

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Are we going to let them take our kids?

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No.

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Then a fucking minute long.

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Are we going to let them continue on fighting against all of the people that we ever...

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Why do you not understand the rule of threes?

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It's even ironically talked about now.

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The rhythm is atrocious.

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And then he realizes it in the moment because he has to say, what do you say to them?

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And he has to actually prompt the no again to remind them that they're doing a call and

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response.

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It's just clunky as hell.

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Tragic.

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But eh, you know.

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What are you going to do?

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Nothing.

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So Trump is going to be reelected, and now let's get around to Alex coming out here.

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Come on, Jack.

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Okay.

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Let's go.

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Let's go.

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We've got the new book out.

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It's called Unhuman.

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You've got to purchase this thing because we've broken their system.

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We've cracked their communist code.

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We understand how to beat them.

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And we are going to take all of them down in just 140 days on blessed November 5th when

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Donald J. Trump is reelected President of the United States.

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Now I know I promised you all a special guest today.

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You may be thinking my brother was out here as my special guest and he's a special guy.

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Of course.

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We love Kevin.

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But there's another man.

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There's a man who taught us many things.

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A man that is hated even more by the media.

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All those media back there.

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Even more than Donald Trump.

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Even more than us.

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A man who taught us that there's a war on for your mind.

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A man who taught us that if you are listening to this you are the resistance.

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And a man who taught us that the answer to 1984 is 1776.

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Let's play the video.

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Let's play that video.

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A man who taught us various bumpers that he comes in from commercial break with.

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A man who taught us get her done.

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A man who taught us catchphrases galore that sound really fun to yell.

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That's a good credit for Alex.

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He did teach people a lot of catchphrases.

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It is not an accomplishment to have been the greatest bumper sticker writer ever to live.

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You know what I mean?

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But he stole them.

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I'm not saying that he deserves that appellation.

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I'm just saying that it's not the genre of accomplishment.

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It's that he still sucks at it.

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We forget about all of the attempts at things that didn't work.

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Like the Quattro.

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Ooh, I like the Quattro.

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Forget that and then you just have the answer to 1984 is 1776.

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That is never going to make sense.

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God damn it.

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He talks about it quite a bit in this speech so maybe you'll get to the bottom of it before

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the day is done.

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I get what you're trying to say but it doesn't make sense.

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It does.

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It does and I promise you it will be explained.

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So there's a lot of chanting going on at the beginning of this.

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It feels like this is what you're really there for, right?

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What is the meat of what they have to say?

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Everyone's there to just yell.

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Just yell.

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Primal scream with your butts.

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Yeah, we want to take down the system.

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Yeah, that's it.

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The answer to 1984 is 1776.

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And now the starting lineup for your Chicago Infowars.

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1776.

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Just three or four days ago the great folks at Turning Point Action invited me out here.

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I'm very blessed and honored to be here.

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We are in the very center, the TCF center, where almost four years ago in the dead of

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night they stole the election not just from our amazing president but from us and it is

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very, very poignant and important and a message to the globalists that we are here now in

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the very same building a hundred yards from where the trucks came in at 2 a.m. and with

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the fake ballots and we come right back to this territory and we say we are turning this

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whole country red, we're restoring the republic, and we're bringing down the new world order.

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USA, USA, USA, USA, USA.

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You have an incredible champion in President Trump and he is going to win in a landslide

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so big they're not going to be able to steal it.

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So big they can't rig it, too big to rig, too big to rig.

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Oh my god, now we're doing, now this is what we're here for.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Nailed it.

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A minute and a half there's three chance.

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I mean yeah that's what you're doing.

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This is a parody of itself honestly.

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Well that's, isn't that why it's so hard to take this whole like we're in a spiritual

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war seriously because in dystopian, like in Mad Max they don't try and sell you their

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book before they steal your water.

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That Alex is going to sell a too big to rig shirt.

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Give up the gasoline warrior but first please go to my web, you can't do it like that.

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Please buy a give me your gasoline shirt.

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It's something.

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Yeah.

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It's something to behold.

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It is, it really is.

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So I was hoping that Alex would get down to some substance and not just catch phrases.

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Sure, sure.

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So you know there's a little bit of him trying to make a point.

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They are not as arrogant as they used to be but we have got to be peaceful in the next

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140 days.

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They're going to try to state civil unrest.

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They're going to try to bill it as a civil war.

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They're going to try to absolutely pull out all the stops and expand war with Russia.

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They are going to do everything they can to continue to crash the economy because they

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are in direct war with we the people.

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So this fight for America is key not just for us but the entire world because if this

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republic falls the entire world falls to the UN and the globalists and their hellish plan

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to literally take everything you've got including your children away from you.

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I think Alex struggles to find the point to end a sentence.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think there were a couple points in there that he could have ended things and maybe

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gotten a cheer.

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And then instead he ended up on a sort of like a point that elicits a negative response

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from the audience.

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Yeah.

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Take your children away.

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No.

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Yeah.

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I mean it really is something that I think I've taken for granted now just all these

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years is just like it is it is difficult to know what to do on stage if you're not regularly

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on stage.

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Yeah.

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And I know Alex is even though you know you're doing a show that's different from being on

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stage.

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Yeah.

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Being on stage is its own thing.

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And yeah these these dudes aren't made for it.

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I'm not perfect at it either.

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Sure.

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Obviously.

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I mean we just went and did our tour and there wasn't a perfect performance on every on every

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front.

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But like the things that they're trying to do are things that are not being done.

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Yeah.

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This is a pep rally.

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Yeah.

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And they're like the things the way that these steps are being communicated is not in service

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of the reaction that they want to elicit.

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Yeah.

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It is.

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It is this.

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It is exactly because of how they view themselves.

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They and it's part it's why they failed as comics and you know life people as they think

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they're way better than they are.

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So they never bother to learn how to do the simplest like this is how long people want

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to hear you sentence your sentence for.

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Take a break.

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Take a breath.

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Slow it down.

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You know Alex talks to nobody all day.

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Exactly.

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And when you're on stage you think you're talking fast and you think you're talking

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slow and you need to go even slower than that because you're racing.

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You know it's that kind of thing and they never bother.

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So one thing that in this next clip might shock you to learn and that is apparently

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the New World Order is anti-capitalist.

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Interesting.

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The New World Order is ultra-rich anti-capitalist monopoly families and banks like BlackRock

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that literally want to end the open free society and consolidate total control and colonize

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your mind and your family and your spirit.

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And they are not atheists.

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They are transhumanists that believe they're going to be gods.

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Thanks for letting us know.

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And whether it's Klaus Schwab or Bill Gates or Yuval Noah Harari they represent the globalist

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ruling class of the planet who say the future is not human.

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Well we got news for them.

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The future is not globalist.

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The future is the future is human.

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Oh good.

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OK.

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Good clarification.

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So yeah.

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They're just you know they're demons chatting about demons and I feel I feel like it is

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a little bit strange to be like these capitalist structures are anti-capitalist.

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Yeah I don't know.

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What do you think is going on sometimes.

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And then you're like well if you're starting there there's nowhere to go.

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That makes sense.

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You're starting with my enemies are demons.

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There's nowhere to go to.

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Right.

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There's nowhere to go with any of this.

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This reminds me of Futurama in an episode they go and fight a war against a bouncing

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ball planet bouncing balls and they're talking to Zapp Brannigan and they're like why are

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we fighting them and he's like they stand for everything you don't stand for.

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Also they said you were dorks and it's like this is exactly the justification.

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Everything you like they hate.

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Life they're your children.

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They hate them.

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Alex has just doubled back to the exact same behavior that he rightly criticized in the

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Bush administration of the they hate your freedoms.

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They hate your freedoms.

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This is just what he's doing since he's doing it domestically and with the people who politically

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disagree with him.

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There is a certain dramatic irony to it.

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There is a certain amount of like you know Bush taught us all the wrong lesson and then

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well you know.

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Here we are.

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So Alex has a rallying cry for Trump to be reelected and it's like I think it basically

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comes down to he fucked up last time.

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Which is a good selling point.

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Okay.

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But then here's this next clip is also where this in this the speech went from like kind

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of a pep rally into like now this is actually kind of interesting to me.

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Okay.

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President Trump is a great man super smart amazing he wanted to turn the country around

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he's pro human he's pro free market he's pro family he's pro freedom he's pro security

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but he's even said himself when he got in almost eight years ago he had no idea how

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bad the corruption was how he would lie right to his face over and over and over again.

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But now coming back in one hundred and forty days President Trump is born again hard and

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he knows the facts and he is going to go after that deep state and remove the deep state

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coup that's been over America.

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And you can Alex Alex I have to say I have to say I have to ask you and I'm going to

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interview you for a minute Alex what do you think they'll do to President Trump between

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now and election day?

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Hey Jack what are you doing?

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What is happening?

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Why are you still on stage?

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I did not realize Alex giving a speech yes or is Jack Posobach moderating a one man panel?

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Jack Posobach introduced Alex and then he stayed on stage the whole time.

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That's insane.

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Yeah because what is happening?

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I can tell you exactly what is happening.

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Well he's going to keep Alex from doing a show.

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Right no one trusts Alex to give a speech in a place like this.

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No of course not.

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So he's there to babysit.

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Right Jesus Christ yeah don't get too drunk Alex.

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He's going to be on stage with you.

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Hey Alex we've seen what you're capable of Alex we want to keep this on the rails.

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That is that is fun.

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I don't know but what I would feel about that if I were Jack or if I were Alex excuse me.

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It is like it is like the the unstable genius rock star who is like oh we don't know if

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he's going to show up but when he does it's magic you know like that except you're stuck

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with Alex and Jack Posobach has to babysit.

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Yeah you get the hype man who's not very good and right a little bit over the hill.

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Yeah it's a little bit different than the magic rock star but oh well.

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So I think that it's probably underwhelming to be like we got to get Trump in because

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he's going to do it right this he's going to do the things we said he was going to do

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last time this time because he learned from last time he learned by not doing those things

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last time right he's going to do those things right I don't know I can't believe that gets

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an applause.

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Well you got to do something.

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I just sometimes I feel sad for sometimes I feel bad for conservatives and and I'm just

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like oh man you don't know how good it could be you know like some performance we can do

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some slick shit over here buddy we can like really put on a show for you and then but

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you're like if you had to be with this I don't know what to do I don't want to take this

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away from you.

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Yeah if this is a thing that you're like oh this will be good for our political action

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conference it's a it's a very strange choice yeah it's a very low standard yeah and honestly

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I think if you're doing this if you have Alex you want chaos so lean into it put him last

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and then just like wash your hands of it you know like whatever happens is going to happen

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he's gonna go burn the stage down yeah he's going to lose his voice getting chants going

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yelling his catchphrases he's gonna slander somebody yeah and then that's good and then

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you go on with time yeah like everybody needs the song that gets everybody to leave yeah

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you know I think a lot of this didn't like you didn't know this happened right and I

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think part of that is because Posobick is there I think you're right the potential for

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what could have been in an Alex speech was not reached because of Jack's babysitter.

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What a stupid and self-inflicted rock-and-hard place to find yourself in between.

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That is the worst.

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The answer to 1984 is not inviting Alex to your political action conference.

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Don't invite shitty versions of the same that's stupid yeah because then you got to interview

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them.

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What are you doing?

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I'm just gonna interview Alex Oh my god what do you think they'll do to President Trump

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between now and Election Day?

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You're reading my mind.

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What will they do to him?

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God literally gave us Donald Trump imperfect as most men or women that God raises up in

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history but he is a man of steel he is a man who has ice water in his veins he is a man

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who gets stronger under attack and so they have already put him through hell with all

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these show trials and rigged courts civil and criminal and they are going to try to

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assassinate President Trump make no mistake about that they are going to try to pull out

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all the stops and so we've got to pray for President Trump many times a day and we've

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got a bus we've got a bus our rear ends to get out there in America because the people

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are waking up and they're ready to become fully awake and let them know that the WF

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and the UN and Bill Gates have said they're bringing new lockdowns more forced injections

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they're cutting off the farms they're cutting off the energy and if you think the economy

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and free fall right now is bad it is going to be 10 times worse so this is existential

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we are at war with the globalists and we must now recognize that this is a war this is just

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as important as 1776 and the context of the population of the world the weapons we have

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now it is more important it's more important than 1776 now sure wow this is big sure i

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mean all this stuff has just become i guess so mainstream for the right wing that like

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alex can just be like i fucking hate vaccines i hate public health awareness i hate all

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of this stuff and fuck all and it's not even like a big deal yeah yeah i know that this

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isn't cpac no no no it is still no turning point's a big organization with a lot of closeness

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to right right right legitimacy no i i mean i i i've read it i've read some of the speeches

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i've read about it but the idea of actually being at like a lindberg rally you know in

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19 whatever who it's it's not unlike this let's put it that way yeah so uh jack pysobic

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i think he's there like i said just to keep things on the rails yeah and people like ken

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pakston from the great state of texas are moving against the globalist to pull public

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funds and pension funds out of these globalist corporations that try to control our lives

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and try to control our behavior as larry figs did let me tell you something let me tell

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you something about alex the lies they spread about alex they've tried to take him out more

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than they've tried to take any of us out but let me tell you what it is but they'll never

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say is that alex jones has spent 30 years being the loudest voice for freedom for liberty

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and for anti-war that this world has seen he stood against them and that's why they're

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against him what they'll never say about alex is he can't be trusted to give a speech unless

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i'm here here keeping things together what they'll never say about me is that i went

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to comet ping pong pizza and pretended to be scandalized by what was going on there

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in order to perpetuate pizza gate uh go fuck yourself jack oh man

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i struggle with the two of them being on stage during a one-person speech this is already

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a problem for me yeah then to have it turn into an interview because so clearly this

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man is being babysat like there's no other interpretation of giving a speech that includes

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a person asking you giving you prompts for the paragraph headers that you should have

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memorized and and then like trying to bring up the energy along like yeah this is all

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alex should be doing all of this yeah this is this is not this doesn't make sense this

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is crazy this is crazy i i mean i can and i can feel the idea i can definitely feel

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from the audience a sense of like what are we watching this is wrong this is all wrong

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it's one thing if it's like jack passobic and alex jones in conversation yeah then it's

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kind of like that's that's what you expect but this is alex who's supposed to be giving

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a pump up speech and jack is interrupting him yeah and trying to carry some of the weight

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i'm baffled it doesn't it doesn't make sense bewildered so they talk a bit about how um

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uh elon musk is pretty great why because everyone loves elon musk at that place crazy well they

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have tried they have tried to burn him to the ground but he won't stop fighting well

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thank you but if it wasn't for people like jack passobic supporting me when i was under

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attack or or tucker carlson or people like joe rogan but all the folks like you they

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would have taken me down they saw me as a symbol of a populace that had their number

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understood their plan and that if the information got out the world would awaken and they would

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be defeated but if they think they've got a problem with alex jones and all the lies

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and all the disinformation and all the show trials and all the rigging imagine their horror

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now when they've got twin godzillas of donald trump coming after him and now elon musk goes

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to the world goes to the goes to the world government summit at the wef last year and

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he says your world government's dead on arrival it's totalitarian it's anti-human and we're

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gonna have a pro-human future and when i interviewed him for two and a half hours a few months

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ago i said elon should we not call it team humanity against team satan against team new

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world order and he said yes let's launch team humanity team humanity team humanity team

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humanity that's bad meter too yeah but you but you got to get the energy going it's a

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pep rally you got to keep it moving along and alex is is is rambling a little bit too

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much yeah he's he's not interesting enough to be a capable speaker if he stops moving

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you know what i mean like yeah he needs to constantly be like or else you end up being

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like oh this is kind of dumb i and that's jack is there to to start the team humanity

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chance and keep the audience like in that baba boss yeah yeah it really does feel like

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they just needed a rhythm machine you know like okay let me throw this out at you get

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a metronome right so you got tick tick tick tick tick and then you get alex in like a

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in a good rhythm for people to you know like half the time with comedy it's just you get

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people in a good rhythm and then they know when to laugh and then they do it's like an

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excuse to laugh with your friends it's not necessarily you're getting a maid to laugh

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and i imagine this is similar it's not like it's not like you get to help them out a little

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well you don't get the chance to cheer in your daily life it's true so you got to go

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somewhere to get a good cheer well that's why you go to like maybe one of the other

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speakers at turning point yeah you want to yell aggressively and that's why you go to

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see alex right exactly unless alex is a surprise guest right real and then then i don't know

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how you're then it's probably good to have soba out there in case there's hostility towards

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alex yeah you know in case there's a lot of like normal gop-ish folks in the audience

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who are like fuck this guy what do you think what do you think an audience member left

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with like went to they went out to a bar and just like hey that was great what do you think

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about alex what do you think they left with um what do you think about alex and jack standing

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there together confusing all of us i i don't know they got to yell a little bit i think

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that's probably they probably felt a little bit invigorated at points yeah i don't know

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so anyway i told you uh that uh this is just weird it's very weird yes the dynamic between

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them and it gets even more weird because jack starts doing alex impression what they are

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the un-humans they are un-humans because that is what they do trademark un-humans they want

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to un-human us they want to rob us of our liberty they want to rob us of our identity

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of our culture of our language of our faith everything that makes us actual spiritual

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connected beings in this world they want us atomized they want it to be insectoids they

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want us to eat the insectoids they want us like will you eat the bugs no will you live

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in what is happening absolutely and now the battle lines are being drawn are you gonna

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let them turn the frogs game no i don't think that i would appreciate that if i were alex

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i i swear to god i would have fought this man by now yes get the fuck off my stage right

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i mean honestly there is a part of me that feels like the moment you step on a stage

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you should feel like it is your space um yeah especially if you're being introduced with

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a video package and you're a speaker who's been invited to come to this place son get

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the fuck off my stage if you have this asshole who cried about pizzagate sitting next to

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you doing an impression of you to get a pop from the audience that's insane that's an

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insult that's the most disrespectful thing i could think of hey man hey hey not cool

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listen ah man that's that's horrifying it is well it is so i told you that we were gonna

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uh hear about the 1776 1984 we're gonna explain the situation yes so alex is gonna talk about

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that here uh at this point okay and that's what this is about we are pro-human old young

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black white ispanic asian everybody that has red blood that loves god and wants a pro-human

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future and as long as we get that message out and as long as we don't support the globalist

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and all these anti-human systems they're putting out we are going to win and when we take back

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america we're going to start the project to take back the world not through force but

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through intellectual and spiritual power under christ under god and we are going to launch

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the next project of 1776 worldwide 1776 worldwide human liberty in a declaration against tyranny

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and you quoted me earlier and it's a powerful saying i was covering milderberg in 2006 in

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canada back when the media still said it didn't exist they'd arrested me held me in a jail

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cell for a day they released me and this famous british economist that later he was famous

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he died a little while after came to me and he'd been at one of their parties great story

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he goes i'm a mathematician and economist metallics you need to understand that you

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need to quantify what's having political into mathematics and i have a slogan for you he

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said the answer to 1984 is 1776 and he's in my film endgame you can look him up but that's

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really it the answer to their 1984 anti-human dehumanization world is humanity coming together

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and celebrating freedom that god gave us and saying no the answer to 1984 is 1776 they

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fucking love their catchphrases oh man now here's the problem i get the explanation and

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i know it's fun to do a uh gribble pibble british accent that's fun yeah but there is

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no mathematical function that is expressed by the answer to 1984 is 1776 if you did something

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like 1776 is greater than uh 1984 or something like it would have some sort of a mathematical

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thing i i don't i don't understand i don't understand what is trying to what equation

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is being expressed here i i see so i always thought that it was concepts you know like

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1984 being the concept of like tyranny and so forth yeah and 1776 meaning the concept

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of violently overthrowing uh tyrant tyrant right well that's one reading of it the other

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one might be 1776 is a stand-in for enlightenment ideas and and personal liberty and stuff like

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that it doesn't always have to be the violent overthrow although it often is i'm just giving

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voice to that a tiny bit okay uh yeah so that's that's like so is 1984 a puzzle or a question

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or a problem i mean 94 84 is a problem right right and the answer to it and the answer

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to it is violent revolution right but i mean like 3x equals 9 right x equals 3 is the answer

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to that sure you know sure like that is is like a mathematical statement okay okay so

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maybe this economist which for fun i'm gonna think it's keens i bet it's keens sure why

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not uh keens came to alex later found out he was famous shortly before his death um

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and he was like okay here's what 1984 is it's tyrants plus tv plus uh i don't know 9 11

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uh equals no i have i got nothing yeah it's not it's it's cute um as a way of trying to

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explain your catchphrase but it doesn't actually make more sense yeah make this is midichlorians

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man just let the force be the fucking force he's a prequel guy just fucking it's 1776

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and 1984 just do it it doesn't need a backstory 1776 will defeat 1984 all this is kind of

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fine trying to pretend that it's mathematical is don't need it yeah don't need it so there's

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more catchphrases uh getting thrown around i don't know how all this is gonna end but

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if you want to fight you better believe you got one they declared i don't war on us they're

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attacking us they're surveilling us they're censoring us they're cutting off our energy

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our water our communications our freedom we're simply recognizing it and saying we're not

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gonna roll over and die our god is the god of the universe that created all and your

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little god satan is a loser satan's a loser i mean this is largely why you would get alex

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i think is to do the the hits yeah yell about the devil a little bit uh yell 1776 uh yell

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you want to fight you better believe you got one yep he is a catchphrase comic yeah he's

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uh he's a getter done yep yep so uh the globalists they're gonna throw a fake race war uh i'm

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sorry yeah that's apparently they're gonna do what now they're gonna precipitate a fake

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race war and the globalists are going to try to cause civil unrest they build the race

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war they try to turn into a civil war especially once he gets re-elected there'll be 79 days

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of hell he will be re-elected they can't stop it i believe and we work hard it's done if

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we show up if but as soon as he is president-elect the 79 days between then and january 20th

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2025 they are going to roll out the stops and try to trigger a race war and that's a

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total lie and a fraud and we're all waking up and coming together but that's why they

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got movies about civil war and they're hyping it and all the democrat party operatives are

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claiming there's white militias hiding in the bushes they're gonna come kill people

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so we've got to get ahead of that narrative we have to stop biden starting world war three

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is a distraction they are that desperate because there is a global worldwide political realignment

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against the new world order the new world order is a couple thousand arrogant people

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led by king charles who sits around and talks about how he wants to depopulate people and

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so did his father prince philip and i'm telling them right now we are not rolling over and

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dying for you inbred globalists you will not divide and conquer us any longer we want a

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pro-human freak we want a pro-human freak we want a pro-human future hey there we go

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if biden did that alex would uh play that clip on his show for a month yeah be a never-ending

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bullshit i think that there is something that i find inherently sad about someone yelling

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about king charles just i don't know man is there feel that relevant okay and now and

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i'm not saying that this could be pulled off because i don't think there would be enough

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people who are on board uh to to to get it done but man i feel like we might be in a

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wabbit season situation you know maybe we flip the sign to duck season all right and

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then they're off in britain taking out the monarchs i think the king isn't pretty close

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to death but i bet he lives forever y'all should go get him get on a boat i i everybody

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it's duck season i don't know i just think i i i find this to be just absurd it's absurd

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it's crazy it's crazy it's i mean obviously the real world intersection of all this is

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trying to spread much much further preemptive excuses for why the more extreme and violent

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wings of alex's ideology uh are going to carry out a bunch of insurgent violence right and

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uh like how are we going to survive as a political movement uh if that happens right and that's

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that's the kind of track that alex is laying and that's the kind of stuff with the they're

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going to foment a race war that's going to be a civil war they've got white militias

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in the woods that's all that stuff then complaining about king charles i don't come on i have

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a theory on that my theory is they believe that all of this was supposed to happen in

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the 90s yes but then timothy mcveigh went too far too fast definitely and that was what

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stalled the movement well right here and let me refine that a tiny bit here is what i will

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throw at you okay they don't understand timothy mcveigh problem they understand enough but

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here's where i would refine it and maybe this deals with your issue they at least alex understands

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that timothy mcveigh and the oklahoma city bombing was a massive detriment to the ecosystem

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and financial landscape of being a right-wing provocateur right right and that has probably

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played itself out when there are instances of you know extremist domestic violence that

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have happened but especially in the 90s when alex was just coming up yep so this it lives

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on as a memory of like if people do this stuff eventually it's going to ruin our business

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right right right right um so some some of what i think you're taking issue with is idealistic

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or ideological stuff and i think maybe some of it is a little crasser than that i mean

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yeah i think uh i think ultimately their problem comes down to timothy mcveigh believed in

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something that was real and uh acted accordingly whereas they believe in fake shit they believe

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in movies stuff you know it's it's kind of the big problem they have is that their enemies

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aren't real whereas timothy mcveigh's we're real well and one of the problems that the

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timothy mcveigh era had was that uh the uh people weren't ready to excuse that right

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right right that act of violence yeah yeah they didn't have a built-in explanation that

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it was a false flag and you know that all the they they didn't have that preemptive

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track laid which is what so much of alex's content is really about is about creating

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that preemptive justification should something really horrible happen yeah you're able to

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much more uh adequately or easily defend the rights of everyone to have you know military

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level guns yeah if you preemptively label every act of mass gun violence as a false

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flag meant to make people give up their guns exactly and that's that's the that's just

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the game yeah yeah the idea is essentially we got to make sure that okc will be okay

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next time yeah see yeah and whatever form it is of that right so uh jack uh just exists

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as a chaperone that's that's that's so that's so uncomfortable it makes me very uncomfortable

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because i'm i'm finally like genuinely i feel like some need to like protect alex and get

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him get get off this get off my stage man well i i just i just have it i've got mirror

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neurons man i think if there's anything you could take away from most of alex's public

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appearances it's that uh he's not going to get off stage at the right time no that's

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a little long-winded he's probably going to start rambling he's gonna tell some weird

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story about his dad's the smartest boy in texas agreed and like you need somebody to

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like if you're running a professional conference yeah you do need to make sure that he does

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not do an hour right and so i think that jack is kind of important on that front but i would

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not take it well if i were alex i think we're i think we're both in in agreement about this

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right if you want to do something you should accept the consequences for it if you want

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to book alex there are consequences for it if you have jack on stage you might as well

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not book alex alex isn't going to be alex with jack on well it's an attempt to to avoid

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those consequences but unfortunately the consequences are actually what you want it's part of the

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game yeah it's all the same the same thing the consequences and the thing you like are

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the same thing yeah yeah that's why this is kind of a dud yeah and as long as we never

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give up we are invincible

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they must like it i've got a lot of points here but i just want to say something right

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now he by the way he he comes to me he goes i was like i was like alex i thought you'd

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just come out and so i was like no i got a lot to say jack i got a lot to say so alex

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what do you think should we let him talk all right let's set him up have at it well i like

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you interviewing me too jack i mean look i cannot express to you how epic the time is

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right now you don't need me to tell you that you can see it you can feel it you see the

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enemies of humanity these mercenaries that have sold their soul to this tyranny they're

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desperate they have fear in their eyes jack interrupted alex to pump up the crowd by yelling

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should we let him talk it's weird i'm gonna tell you this i'm gonna tell you this uh-huh

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for all of their skills uh lacking on stagecraft they know fucking weird dominance things like

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the should we let him talk question that no you paid him to talk if you are asking should

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we let him talk what you're doing is subtly reminding everybody you have the ability to

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not let him talk and reminding alex and reminding alex yes and then alex has a little bit of

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his own dominance there with the uh you know i like getting interviewed by you too yep

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you know like oh fuck you yeah they're doing a whole thing now now i'm actually interested

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yeah and it is also like insisting on doing the alex voice he's so fucked up yeah what

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is happening i understand that it's fun to talk like that and it's i get it i i do it

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on the show a bit i would probably not do it to his face i mean i would do it to his

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face once but it is essentially like just coming up like if you came up to my face and

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were just like you're a clown you're a clown you're a clown i'd be like listen i know i'm

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a clown i like being a clown i was going to stop screaming in my face but it's really

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uncomfortable man i i find that if if someone is not like a friend and they do an impression

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of my voice oh i'm i'm i'm not happy about it that's usually a problem and if it is my

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friend yeah i still don't want them to do it like in to my face on stage with me or

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whatever it's yeah yeah that's no good it's just disrespectful why would you why would

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you do that to your friend you would do that to somebody you don't like yeah yeah so we

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know that they're not coming after trump they're coming after you of course just want to get

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through trump spiritual we talk about president trump he says it all the time they're not

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coming after him they've got to get through him to get to us and that's totally true they're

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not trying to get me or jack was so big or any of these other great people here today

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they're trying to get every one of you and break your will and turn america into a tyranny

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because if america still exists the rest of the world will aspire to it and it will be

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the model and freedom will grow that's that's why we are target number one and that's why

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god created this country we're not perfect but we've been the best house in a bad neighborhood

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and we have been given a birthright and a destiny by god through free will if we take on this

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challenge we won't just empower our families and ourselves through god we will save the

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world and that is what we are doing here today i've got homework for every single person

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in this room i want to make sure that when you leave here today turn to the person next

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to you make friends get their contact info follow them on twitter all right so this is

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okay now in the movie of this at the very end of it alex tackles him off stage like

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if you've we've gone as far as this bit will go or the conclusion to the bit is you fed

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i'm so fed up that i tackle you we both fall off stage it's hilarious at least backstage

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or some kind of like something what the fuck there has to be something yeah because this

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is this is a fight i'm fighting if we do this we will save the world all right folks i'd

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like to give you some homework what are you two doing this is this is amazing it's not

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dynamic chemistry for people who have known each other both personally and professionally

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for so long they've been working together at least since pizza gate so long to still

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be this stilted and uncomfortable around each other is almost an accomplishment yeah then

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so there's one last uh little bit that alex uh shoe horns in towards the end here and

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the last note seems to be like hey also january 6th was a false false everybody just remember

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that okay so again we disavow any violence any offensive violence any kidnapping any

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murder and we're gonna get to the bottom of january 6 and that's and that's where i was

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going next we know january 6 was staged jack and i were both there a lot of people going

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in the building this has been so historic so the globalist system is dead on arrival

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but again it wants to take us with them so we can't just oppose the globalist we have

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to get back to americana 2.0 and promote that to the world and have a better system than

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them and we are doing it so again i want to thank you all for everything you're doing

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a lot of other great stuff coming up i want to thank jack again but never forget the answer

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to their tyranny the answer to their new world order is 1776 god bless you all so i think

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that when um as as brief as it did there's only like a 20 minute or or something like

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that yeah because of jack's yeah uh interference and uh handling let's say um yeah underwhelming

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alex i think a lot of this was in service of creating a sizzle reel uh because he plays

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like the the hits of it you know like him yelling the catchphrases uh and then uh like

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a little shot of him backstage and so he plays this on his show yeah this this package of

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you know like sovereignty sovereignty like everyone chanting and then he's backstage

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and he looks at the camera and he says old-fashioned artillery genius and it's like that's a baron

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harkinian line that is a baron harkinian line from dune about what they committed uh like

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an act of essentially genocide against the fremen correct yes this is that's not the

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reference you want to be making here no no they're the good guys that's very strange

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oh boy yeah yeah i really hadn't considered that i really hadn't considered that i guess

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i still feel i think small in some ways in so far as i still think of like you're doing

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the show but in reality you're right like in alex's world what he needs are five 30-second

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clips yeah shots of him at uh turning point the places that are far more relevant and

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mainstream uh closer to the uh not close to the fringe right as himself a rally cheering

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after his words you know like he needs the highlight reel he doesn't need the show to

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go well you know it never it i just that's the type of thinking that i don't have like

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i'm doing the show the show's got to go well well it reminds me a lot of uh coming up uh

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at the laugh factory you know there were a lot of people who just needed to get a picture

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of themselves on stage at the laugh factory as opposed to being concerned about the show

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itself going well or or whatever and i think that that you know that optical thing is a

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little bit uh that's very important for alex yeah he's at turning point on stage with jack

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besobic yep and the crowd is chanting 1776 of them that's gonna linger on like that's

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that's the resonant thing as opposed to like yeah you kind of said some empty platitudes

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you said the stuff that you generally say i don't know it was an underwhelming speech

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you didn't really break any new ground you kind of implied that america needs to colonize

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the world for freedom pretty much i don't know man no no no it's not that america needs

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to colonize the world it's that everybody is going to become america on their own without

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coming here didn't you say trump should colonize the moon if they don't do that on their own

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we'll take it to them for their own good right right for their own good dan and we're the

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good guys i'm sure your intentions are wonderful but old-fashioned artillery for their own

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good right genius it's very it's very just kind of i don't know there's there's two feelings

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that i end up leaving the speech with one is that like that was boring yeah alex gave

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a boring speech at this political conference boring speech at a nazi conference and then

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second i just can't not feel sad at catchphrases it's so it sucks yeah i mean he has to go

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back to the well at the end for the 1776 and he doesn't even say his like the answer to

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1984 is the answer to the new world order and others the 1776 yeah he he throws in the

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if you're looking for a fight you better believe you got one like oh it's just i don't know

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it's it's bad it is it is like it turns what i would imagine what i would feel is like

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a a career moment you know or or at least uh you know i'm he's given speeches to thousands

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of people before i understand that but it's still one of those moments in your career

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of standing on a stage to that many people right and i i would feel that and i would

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feel that is a positive thing or a challenge to step up to or a challenge to overcome or

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or just something to bask in you know but for him it's something to endure like he has

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to just like get through it to get what he wants which sucks yeah yeah i can i can uh

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see that i think so the thing that i kept thinking uh here is the uh that moment when

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we were talking to john ronson yeah and uh he was like does he repeat himself a lot and

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when i said yes yeah john looked a bit disappointed yeah he did and i think that that that moment

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of that disappointment is what i can't not feel when alex does his catchphrases at at

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the speech it's like you're supposed to be the fucking guy who's like you know really

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bra tip of the spear you're you're shooting from the hip and all this like no you're you're

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doing that you're doing your lines yeah yeah it's disappointing it's it's a betrayal of

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the premise of what alex's image is supposed to be if you're going to live in a movie you

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have to perform right and you're on stage you're you should be doing bill pullman this

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is your independence fucking day you know what i'm saying like you can't be giving me

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a half-assed speech with a handler next to you bill pullman wasn't interrupted by quaid

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it is like hey i'm still gonna fly soon yeah you know and there's not like five instances

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earlier in the movie of him saying this is our independence right that would be hey guys

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this is our independence day no no no this is our independence day yeah yeah that would

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be a bad movie it's tough to look at this and not just feel like oh okay doing that

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again huh wow turning point did this oh boy that's a choice on their part cool a bad choice

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even for what it was that you wanted even for what you wanted you made the wrong choice

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but i think that that's an admission in of itself yeah the fact that you wouldn't just

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like all right we're gonna let the tasmanian devil run wild yep you know like you know

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that you don't want to subject your audience to that you don't want to subject the people

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that paid to come to this conference to alex's right probably our three of his treatees on

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why he's been wronged and his actions around sandy hook actually weren't that bad yeah

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he's the victim in all this like you don't want to make your audience listen to that

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100 have gotten of course you want to avoid that yeah and so you do this it is so weird

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though to just like at no point in time do they just shrug their shoulders and feel dumb

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about themselves to be like we're the party of freedom and beauty and keep doing whatever

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you want and now here's king kong and chains to give a speech there's an irony there's

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an irony but it also goes to the the way that everybody wants to deal with alex as like

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a prop yeah and that is kind of funny in some ways but also a little bit sad in other ways

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i i understand that we can't do this but maybe we could all right we should always have alex

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in a dunk tank always always what sir what does that what good does that do oh i mean

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at that speech absolutely at that speech at everywhere he goes he should be a he should

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be in a dunk tank you know what i'm saying in case he starts talking about sammy hook

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stuff exactly then boom down you go now would you have passobic and him in a dunk tank or

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is one enough i well okay in this scenario because this is our this is our pilot test

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for the program right essentially passobic is running the the position of dunk tanker

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you know he's throwing the ball whenever we get off whenever we get off track right he's

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metaphorically slapping the target yes yes so theoretically he in this scenario is our

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uh our good guy but eventually i think it'll be everybody but jack passobic and maybe we'll

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maybe if the pilot program for the dunk tank works for alex we'll just start expanding

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it across it you know right now it's just texas specific and if you say that people

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can't be put in dunk tanks you are limiting the free speech of the audience to express

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their displeasure and what is being uh spoken on stage oh imagine if you got mad about uh

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being dunked that's that is our freedom to dunk you sir that is unamerican anyway um

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this is uh this is just kind of a bleh speech but i i thought that the dynamics in it were

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were something that is is weird and i didn't hear anybody mention any of this stuff so

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i wanted to cover it uh but we'll be back on monday i mean this this is this is one

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of those things this is one of those things where it is and it's like it's like trump's

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full length speeches when you read them and then you read the way the media reports on

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them it's like i understand that in order to report what you believe to be the relevant

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information you excise a lot of this but what is actually the relevant information is how

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fucking insane that this is happening at all yeah you know like this is insane what's going

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on in presenting things in a certain way you're actually making it not as bad as you're making

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their point you're better than they are your image is bad yeah it's very bad yeah but the

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reality is worse it's horrifyingly worse yeah yeah yeah and uh maybe maybe some of that

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is true except that no one's talking about alex's no no which is probably for the best

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yeah uh so we'll be back but until then we have a website indeed we do it's knowledge

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right dot com yep uh we'll be back but until then i'm neil i'm leo i'm dzx clark i am the

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mysterious professor whoo yeah whoo yeah whoo and now here comes the sex robots andy in

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kansas you're on the air thanks for holding hello alex i'm a first time caller i'm a huge

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fan i love your work i love you