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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
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Knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray.
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I have great respect for Knowledgefight.
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Knowledgefight.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.
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Knowledgefight.
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Dan and Jordan, Knowledgefight.
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Willard, Willard, Willard.
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I need, I need money.
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Willard, Willard, Willard.
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Andy and Kansas.
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Andy and, Andy, stop it.
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Andy and, Andy and Kansas.
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Andy and, Andy, it's time to pray.
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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a fish and color and a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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Knowledgefight.
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N-N-N-N-Knowledgefight.com.
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I love you.
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Hey, bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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Bye.
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I love you.
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Hey, everybody.
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Welcome back to Knowledgefight.
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I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes.
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I like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh, indeed we are.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Quick question for you.
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today, buddy?
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Well, I would say that I have a friend in town and so I decided to go to dinner at the
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Thai place.
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Oh.
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Spicy Thai.
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Okay.
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That I have known to be.
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It's been a long time.
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Yes.
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Wow.
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It has been and one of the things that I'm thrilled to report is that I am still on the
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wall.
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Yay.
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Yay.
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Scanning the wall for all the pictures and the time that I had the level six spicy... You
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only have to do level five to get on the wall, but I did level six.
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Of course.
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No big deal.
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Obviously.
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Well, you'd already done level five.
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It's still up there.
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Still up there.
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Still up there.
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It's been almost a decade, hasn't it?
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Probably.
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Yeah.
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And that brings me to my next point.
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Sure.
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And that is that it was a humbling experience because I got hot and it's not even extra
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hot.
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No.
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That's not even one.
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And oof.
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Oof.
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I could get by, but it was a much more intense experience than I remember it used to being
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and it really, really hurt my stomach.
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Oh, I believe it.
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I believe it.
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So yeah, I'm not the man that I once was, spice-wise.
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It's tough to get old.
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It's tough.
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It is.
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Yeah.
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And a little trip to know that my name still rings out on the streets.
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It is nice.
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It is nice.
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But also that I can't hang anymore.
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Yeah.
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I mean, nobody's expecting Holyfield to keep fighting.
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See?
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That's how old I am.
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That reference is old.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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So what about you?
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What's your bright spot?
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My bright spot is... I don't know if you can see this.
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The shirt that I am wearing is a pullover hoodie, Dan.
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Yeah.
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The greatest kind of shirt.
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Sure.
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I love a pullover hoodie.
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Okay.
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And I am outfit in them.
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My wife, for the holidays- It's kind of just a hoodie but a shirt?
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Yeah, it's a hoodie but a shirt, but I just love it.
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Okay.
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It's this type of shirt.
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Then there's three-quarter length baseball shirt.
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Yeah.
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And then there's... No, that's it.
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Those are the only two types of shirt that are good.
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Mm-hmm.
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And so yeah, for the holidays, my wife essentially dressed me.
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It's a back to school holiday for me.
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I got a shirt.
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I got socks.
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I got underwear.
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I mean, I'm covered, right?
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So that's my bright spot because she found these, which are the only shirts that I like.
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Well, that's very sweet.
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Yes, it is very sweet.
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I'm glad you two are having a nice holiday.
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It is quite nice.
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As we are recording this, it is Christmas Eve day.
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Indeed.
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You know, there's something about not taking holidays off that weirdly I've always liked.
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I know.
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But you know, I used to work at a movie theater, and it was always like people wanted the holidays
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off.
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Yeah.
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And I always felt like, nah, work.
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And I think part of it was me and my buddy Dr. Gums got stuck working a Christmas shift
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one time.
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And we had a blast, had a blast working at the movie theater.
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Almost nobody coming in on that Christmas Eve and just dicking around.
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Yeah.
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And I think that maybe seared in my mind a love of working on holidays.
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I mean, I've always appreciated working on holidays because I like ticking off when everybody
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else is working.
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You know?
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Like, I love a good, oh, I'll work on Christmas.
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And then for the next week, you know, everybody else goes back to work and they're like, ah.
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So yeah, I'm with you.
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And I think I also, another part of it was it didn't feel like that great of an inconvenience
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to me, but it felt like such a favor to the people who want it off.
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You know?
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And so that felt like I could do a little, and it feels like a lot to them.
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Right.
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You know?
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I mean, I think there's also the everything that people associate with the holidays is
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stuff that you and I don't particularly care for.
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True.
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So that makes it a lot easier for us to not care about the holidays.
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That's why I'm saying it's a little.
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Yeah, it's really not.
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I'm only sacrificing a little.
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Really not sacrificing much at all.
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So we have an episode to go over.
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Indeed.
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And I decided we would be in the past.
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Hey!
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So we're going to be talking about March 31st, 2004.
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The Ghost of Christmas is next.
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Indeed.
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Yes.
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And we do get visited by a ghost.
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That's amazing.
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And that, I mean, that there's a guy who died in 2007 who's on the episode today.
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That sounds right.
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Okay.
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And it's actually, I would say, a landmark episode in Alex's career.
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Interesting.
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So we're going to go over that in a moment, but first, let's say hello to some new walks.
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Ooh, that's a great idea.
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So first, Dan, two sodomites from Columbia, Missouri have been looking to contact you
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regarding a personal loan on a bucket of poop.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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He's curious.
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I don't know who this.
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I don't like a little loan.
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Do I know these people?
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Nope.
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From Columbia?
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I doubt it.
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Okay.
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I don't want a bucket of poop.
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Anyway, next, my sister Abby is listening to this shout out and I wanted to know that
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her cat is a bitch.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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I guess I didn't read the end of that.
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Okay.
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We both surprised.
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Sometimes you just copy and paste it.
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You don't really.
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Yeah.
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That'll happen.
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Next, Kayla.
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Pronounced Kayla.
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Nailed it.
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Definitely crushed the LSAT on Wednesday.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Congrats.
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And take the earbuds off, Lou.
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I've probably been calling for you from the other room for the last five minutes.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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And we had a couple of technocrats in the mix, Jordan.
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So first, Dr. Nanner's PhD.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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And my roommate's grandfather served under John Birch in China.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser little, little kitty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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I'd be interested in talking to this roommate's grandfather.
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I don't care about John Birch the person.
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I guess it is interesting the way that the John Birch Society has corrupted his image
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or co-opted it so intensely, but I don't know.
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That's not my battle.
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Yeah, it would be, I mean, in a sense, what you really want to talk to is like Count Chocula
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because that's what John Birch, they've turned into, you know, like a mascot.
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I also have some things I'd like to get straightened out with Count Chocula.
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Wow.
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What is he doing with that Boo Berry?
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Where is the fruit brute?
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Where are you hiding the fruit brute?
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Wait, what's the fruit brute?
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It's like a King Kong type mascot for a fruit cereal.
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It was part of the monster's rotation.
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I think it still might be.
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So there was Boo Berry, Count Chocula.
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Frankenberry.
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Frankenberry.
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Yeah.
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And then the fruit brute?
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The fruit brute.
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I will eat that.
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Yeah.
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And he was included in that, I famously, if you recall, found a box of cereal that was
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like the monster mash.
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It was all of them.
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Right.
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Yes, yes, yeah.
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They did the song.
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I did find that in June, I believe, of one year, which leads me to believe it was...
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Very old.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Still good.
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Still good.
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So the beginning of this episode is not very eventful.
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Nothing is really going on.
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But the reason that I believe that this is what we might call a landmark episode in Alex's
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career is that he has a guest, who died in 2007, who is on the show for the first time.
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Okay.
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This is Aaron Russo.
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Okay.
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He is the guy who made America freedom to fascism.
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Right.
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He's a big part of Alex's, a lot of his conspiracy stuff.
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Is he related to the Russo brothers who do the Captain America movies?
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I don't think so, but he was involved in show business.
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Me?
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I don't know.
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I don't think he is.
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Okay.
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But his career and his life is incredibly fascinating.
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We've talked about him a little bit.
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We've talked about him some more, but this is the first time that the two of them have
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ever interacted.
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Interesting.
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So this is their origin story.
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Okay.
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And so the first hour...
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Like Captain America.
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Yeah.
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Yeah?
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Russo brothers.
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So the first hour of the show, I would say, is not really all that interesting kind of
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filling time.
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And then at the beginning of the second hour, Aaron Russo shows up and Alex introduces him
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with a long list of credits.
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He knows all about the New World Order and we're honored to have him on.
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And also the network, he's been on a bunch of the shows, the network sends out some of
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his presidential material for free if you want to call and get any of that.
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But Mr. Russo, it's good to have you on the show.
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Hey, thank you.
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Glad to be here, bud.
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For those that don't know who you are, tell us a little bit about yourself and then we'll
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go on a break and come back and just jump into all the news and get your take on it.
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Sure.
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All right, let's see.
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I don't know where to start.
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Let's see.
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19 years old.
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I was in the ladies lingerie business and I designed the first ladies bikini panties
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for all that everybody else interested in that.
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I'm in.
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And then when I was 24, I opened the nightclub in Chicago and put on big name rock and roll
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shows with Led Zeppelin, The Who, Grateful Dead.
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I don't care if this is true.
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One of the star promoters in the 60s.
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And Chicago and Detroit.
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And then I ran to Bette Midler and I started managing Bette Midler and I produced the movie
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called The Rose.
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And the movie Training Places with Eddie Murphy and Danny Aykroyd.
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And I received six Academy Award nominations and won an Emmy for a TV show I did with Dustin
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Hoffman.
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What?
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And a Golden Globe nomination.
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By the way, I love Training Places.
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Is this true?
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Thank you very much.
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That's funny.
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I always thought that was like, you know, the most important thing I had done.
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But most people yell and scream and cheer when I tell them I brought Led Zeppelin to
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America.
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So I have no idea if he invented the bikini panty or whatever.
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But his family is in the garment business.
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And so when he was younger, he did work with them.
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So it is possible that he might have created something.
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I don't know about this though.
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Do all of these details or do all of these things have a kernel of possible truth within
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them?
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A lot of them are fairly true.
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Okay.
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See?
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Like he did, he was one of the producers on Trading Places.
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He did date Bette Midler for a little while and was her manager for a lot longer than
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that.
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Why not?
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But yeah, he's a fascinating weirdo.
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And now he's running for the libertarian ticket for the nomination for the presidency in 2004.
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Here's what I like about this guy.
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Here's what I like about this guy.
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This is like when you watch a documentary on, say, Bette Midler.
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You see Bette Midler's life, you see the important elements of her life.
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And then you have like the dark section where she's got a manager who's probably a piece
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of shit.
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Oh yeah.
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Right.
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And so she has to overcome this problem.
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And so the manager has his section and then is gone from the world, right?
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Now we're like, oh, who the fuck is Bette Midler?
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Get out of here, lady.
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Let's follow creepy weirdo around.
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That's where the info war is at.
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That's where we're going.
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Okay.
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Because I think if you look into the history of their relationship and the way it went,
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he was a massive part of her rise.
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Amazing.
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Well, and you can take from whoever you want to listen to what was his input, what was
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her input, what was just the natural by-product of her undeniable talent.
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There are open questions, but he was her manager during the period where-
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What is known?
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She went from, I mean, she appeared on Carson before he was her manager.
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But in terms of like becoming a mega star, that was during the time that he was her manager.
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So he at least didn't fuck it up.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You know, I think-
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But then it also was very dark.
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I think, and I think this might be the case, for real people like the world, you know,
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life is too short.
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You know, we got to stuff it, you know?
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But for people like this guy, it's too long.
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You know, you get your section where you're kicking ass and then all of a sudden shit
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goes down and you're on Info Wars.
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It's too long.
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It's too long.
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Run it for Libya.
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It's too long.
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Yeah.
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But I do, you know, you're saying what you like about this guy.
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And one of the things that I like is how blasé he is about all these credits.
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He does feel like-
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He's just delivering them as if it's a boring list of things.
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Yeah.
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Six Academy Award nominations up my butt, don't care.
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I don't know about that.
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But I do think that if there were Academy Award nominations, they weren't for him.
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Yeah.
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Maybe they were related to the films that he was on.
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Sure.
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But I mean, like The Rose and Trading Places, I think are the only actually big movies that
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he's even associated with.
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The other ones are like trash no one remembers.
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Sure, sure.
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But I mean, Robert Evans, you know, he's still remembered and he wasn't associated with that
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many movies.
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But they were huge.
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They were huge.
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So in 1968, Aaron Russo opened the Kinetic Playground here in Chicago, which is a fairly
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short-lived venue, but one that was a regular stop for the sort of bands that he's listing
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off.
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From my understanding of it, it would be a huge stretch to say that he was responsible
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for bringing a band like Led Zeppelin to the US, that his venue was part of the circuit
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that rock acts of the 1960s, the late 60s, would go on, and it was usually their Chicago
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show.
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Man.
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So someone compiled a list of like the handbills and the acts that were at the Kinetic Playground.
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Yeah.
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And it's fucking insane.
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Is it?
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Yes.
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Jesus.
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I mean, you got like all these bands that you remember and then a bunch of like, what
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the fuck is this?
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Yeah.
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But yeah, you had Fog Hat.
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Sure.
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You had Blood, Sweat, and Tears, Janis Joplin, Jefferson Starship, or Jefferson Airplane
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at the time.
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Right.
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Who?
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Right.
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It's nuts.
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Yeah.
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Grateful Dead played there like, it's what seemed like fairly regularly.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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This, I mean, again, this is another-
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Velvet Underground.
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He's another guy in the movie.
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Now he's a different guy in the movie.
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Now you're watching the Led Zeppelin story, you're watching their birth, their slow rise
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to the top, you're watching their whirlwind tours around.
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As the fame grows around them, they stop at these different places.
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And what's that?
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It's a creepy weirdo.
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Screw you, Led Zeppelin, we're done with you.
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Let's follow the creepy weirdo.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And so I just obviously, you know, lived a life.
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Yeah, oh totally.
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But I do think he's overstating some of this.
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Sure.
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You know, there is a sincere resume that's pretty neat here, but I think there's a grandiosity
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and a blurring of fact that might be indicative of how this guy rolls.
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Now we're in the movie about a creepy weirdo.
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That's true.
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That's true.
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So at a certain point, he pivoted from the entertainment industry into politics, so he
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brings up his first foray here.
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And I've done so many different things.
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I won a Tony on Broadway for a show I did with Lionel Hampton and Bette Midler, and
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I made the video called Mad as Hell, which millions of people across America have seen
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promoting freedom in the country.
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I ran for governor of Nevada in 1998, and I got nearly 30% in a four-way race.
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Really?
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I did very, very well there.
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Yeah, you're very charismatic, and a lot of people try to know their facts, know their
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issues.
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You know what you're talking about.
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He knows his shit.
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Sounds not true, but fine.
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So it is true that Aaron Russo ran for governor of Nevada in 1998, but he did not get almost
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30% of the vote.
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Okay.
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He didn't even run in the general election because he lost the primary, which is what
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he's talking about.
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Right.
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He got 25.8% of the vote in the GOP primary, compared to the 58% that the winning candidate,
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Kenny Gwin, received.
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Sure.
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He came in second, but it was by a very wide margin, and it was the primary.
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Sure.
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You can already tell that Aaron Russo is the kind of guy who has a hard time not inflating
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his own story a little bit past the point of honesty.
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This kind of makes sense, given that he comes from the world of music promoters.
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He was Bette Midler's manager for a while, as well as serving the same role for the Manhattan
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Transfer, so he's accustomed to being in a salesman type role.
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Right, right, right, right.
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What he's doing here with Alex and laying out his resume is stretching the truth in
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order to sell himself, which isn't really that important of an issue when the truth
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that's being stretched is about your show business career, being a blowhard and all
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that.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's promotion.
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It starts to become more dicey when that same behavior is applied toward relevant political
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issues, like it has become Aaron Russo's later career.
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Sure.
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Also, not for nothing, he didn't win a Tony, and the production he produced with Bette
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Midler didn't win one either.
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In 1974, he produced her show Clams on the Half Shell Revue.
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I'm sorry?
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Yeah.
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Oh, God.
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And Bette won a Special Tony Award for, quote, adding luster to the Broadway season.
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It's a special Tony.
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I'm sorry.
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Yeah.
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I'm sorry.
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Adding luster.
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She added luster.
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I like that.
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Yeah.
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That's a good award.
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I wish I had that one.
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Special Tony Awards are now basically just lifetime achievement awards, but they used
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to be really weird.
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Yeah.
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In 1987, George Abbott got one just because he turned 100 years old.
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See, this is the type of shit.
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This is the type of shit that we don't have anymore.
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We don't do the right kind of drugs.
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Right?
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The 70s, you added luster.
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That's because the entire country was high.
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The 80s, you're 100?
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Who knew?
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Everybody's on coke, man.
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Now we're just like, oh, we're mad.
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You made it.
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Here's an award.
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It's a bummer.
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Yeah.
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So that's the kind of thing that Russo is trying to take ownership of.
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Sure.
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It's like, I won a Tony with this production that, no, she did.
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Yeah.
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She did.
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Yeah.
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That was a special Tony that she won.
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That doesn't seem like-
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He's a bluffer.
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He's a bluffer.
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Doesn't seem like he's terribly interested in other people's contributions to his achievements.
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Certainly not.
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No.
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Certainly not.
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Yeah.
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So now that Aaron has laid out his resume, Alex will just parrot it.
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Waging war on corruption, crashing the lies and disinformation, defending this country
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against tyranny, resisting the despotism that is upon us.
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I'm honored to have him on the show and I heard he was running for president about a
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month ago.
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I wanted to get him on.
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We finally got him on.
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He's Aaron Russo.
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And again, this guy ran for governor in Nevada as a third party candidate, got 30% of the
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vote.
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That's a big deal.
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He's passionate.
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He's intelligent.
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And again, producer of major films.
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And he's been out there fighting the New World Order for a long time.
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So Alex just takes it as read because Aaron Russo has said that he got 30% in this race.
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Yep.
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It was in the primary.
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He didn't run in the actual race.
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Didn't- 25.8%, I guess that's close to 30.
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I'll give you 30 on that.
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But he also didn't run third party.
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Alex is saying that he was in the GOP primary.
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Right.
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And that there is just factual problems that are happening because of this game of telephone
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where you have this vaguely dishonest person who's saying things and then now Alex is embellishing
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them even further.
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Yeah, that is interesting.
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His embellishments, his grandiosity is almost modest in a way compared to what Alex would
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do to it.
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You know what I mean?
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Alex would run a little more wild probably.
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Right, right, right.
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It is, yeah.
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It's almost like he's in a Goldilocks zone.
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Well, here's the thing.
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Russo didn't say it was in the general.
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No.
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He just heavily implied that it was.
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Absolutely.
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Well, hey.
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He didn't say that it was in the primary.
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I let you say what you want to say and I only say what's true.
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All he said was it was a four-way race.
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See?
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And it was.
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It was.
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There were four ways.
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It was in the primary.
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So Alex obviously, when he hears that it's a four-way race, obviously that means it's
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in the general.
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Of course.
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It's not a four-way party.
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It must be a third party.
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That would be crazy.
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So Alex takes things a step further by making assertions that are incorrect based on the
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bluffs and exaggerations that Russo makes.
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Right.
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And there's no reason for Russo to stop him now.
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Hell no.
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Uh-uh.
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You rode with it, buddy.
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So Alex and Aaron discuss Aaron waking up to the New World Order.
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Oh, that New World Order.
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And I think that there's a different story, but there's some kernels of truth here.
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Okay.
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So, you know, when did you wake up to the New World Order?
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What was the process like, you know, for a big promoter who was bringing Led Zeppelin
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to America and making big films and doing all this?
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I mean, what was the process like?
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When did you, you know, wake up to what was going on?
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Well, I, you know, I've always, it's an interesting question because, you know, it's sort of
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subtle.
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It just grows on you a little bit at a time.
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It's not like one day you just wake up and recognize it.
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At least for me, it wasn't.
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Exactly.
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You know, for me, it was, it was a gradual thing, you know.
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I just told Alex one day, these guys are really terrible and how can they behave the way they
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behave?
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And then you start reading books and you start seeing the police be, you know, treating people
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poorly and, you know, treating people as if they were dogs and sheep.
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So how could this be this way?
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I don't remember it was this way when I grew up.
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And you start seeing more and more, a little more and more grows on you and begins to realize.
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And then, and then, uh, I left the country and said, you know, I was so fed up with America
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that I said, you know, there's only three things you can do.
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You can also add that you're also a veteran.
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Oh yeah.
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But there's only, there's really only three things you can do.
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You can either leave the country, you can sort of worth the wait and be very quiet and
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just mind your own business and not be too obvious as some people do it or you can fight.
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And so the first thing I did, I'm getting out of here, you know, chose the path though
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of not being a coward.
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Now you're fighting.
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Oh yeah.
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I'm just trying to tell you how it's, you know, the, the evolution of everything and
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the path of the coward is just doing nothing and minding your own business.
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It's not necessarily a coward, you know, some people, I'm not saying you're a coward.
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What I'm saying is, is that it is that I've been cowardly before in the past fighting
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this, but I just decided to be as bold as possible.
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I think you have to be, I ultimately, that's where I came out as well.
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So if I first left the country and I moved to Tahiti, my family, oh boy, that sounds
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good.
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It was fabulous.
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Uh, but I, I, I began to realize, you know, particularly Ross Perot was very important
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for me.
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Even though Ross Perot doesn't have a philosophy that I believe in, seeing that when he ran
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all the millions of people that will, that were dissatisfied with America, it's up to
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them.
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I thought I was alone.
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I didn't realize there were millions of others who felt like I did.
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I thought I was this lonely boy, slow by myself.
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So when Ross Perot ran and I saw the dissatisfaction in the country, it gave me the courage and
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the energy to say, you know, I'm going to stand up now.
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You know, that's a big part of it is they make us feel alone, all compartmentalized.
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But Aaron, I've done over 1500 radio interviews the last three years and I'm telling you,
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we'll take 20, 30 calls and they all agree.
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Whereas five years ago, half of them disagreed.
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I've seen a massive awakening take place.
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There's no question about it.
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That's why, that's one of the reasons why I run it for president.
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I got so thrown in the middle of that clip because the first times I was listening to
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it, I didn't catch them saying that he's a veteran and I don't know that that's true
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or not.
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Why?
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I don't have any indication in things that I've seen that he was in the service.
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It really feels like that.
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Where, when, where would he have, where would he have fit that time in?
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It seems tough.
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I mean, was he, was he drafted at 17?
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I don't know.
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I don't want to, I don't want to, because I didn't look into this too heavily or anything.
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I don't want to make some kind of a statement like he was never, he never served.
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Well, sure.
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But I don't, I don't, I've never heard that.
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The timeline based on his description seems difficult to fit that in, at least for a length
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of time.
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Yeah.
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But this, this, what he's saying is all great and, and stuff.
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But I think, I think that what really happened is that Aaron Russo doesn't like taxes.
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Right.
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And is that why he moved to Tahiti?
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He owed a lot of taxes and at this point he has about $2 million in liens and doesn't
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like that.
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And then he saw Ross Perot getting kind of successful and he's like, ah, here's a path
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I can follow.
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That's one way to do it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think that's more realistic as a way that you wake up to the new world order.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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L Ron Hubbard woke up to being Jesus one day when he did like the bill.
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Yeah.
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It happens.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That does, that does seem to track.
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So, um, he's running for the libertarian ticket.
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Sure.
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And I think that, uh, Aaron Russo has the feeling that he's got a lot of possible people
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on his team.
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Okay.
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What type of feedback have you gotten from the neo cons and the liberals?
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Well, I'll tell you what, when I ran for governor in Nevada, even Jack Nicholson, who's a liberal
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supported me.
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He made radio commercials for me.
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Okay.
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So if I can start getting the Hollywood community behind my campaign, it's going to get tons
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and tons of press and there's no third party in the race.
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Ralph Nader is going to fade away.
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You got nothing to do.
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So it's, uh, I'm going to be there to fulfill that.
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And there are millions of millions of people across America who, if they had someone to
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vote for, who believed in the bill of rights and the constitution and getting rid of this
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gun control nonsense, they would come out and vote.
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Absolutely.
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And we have to tap into that, Alex.
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That's the point.
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We have to tap in to the dissatisfaction of America and say to the American people, here's
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a guy who believes like you believe, and he's standing up and fighting for it.
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That's all great.
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But in the 2004 election, Russo didn't even win the libertarian party nomination.
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It feels like putting the cart before the horse here to have all these grand ideas about
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how you're going to win the election before you even secure your third party candidacy.
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While it is true that Russo has a fair amount of real entertainment industry credits, if
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you look at his resume, you might notice that they all end in 1991.
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Ultimately, he didn't do anything notable outside of his work with Bette Midler, which
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ended very abruptly in 1979, and Trading Places, which he was one of four producers on.
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So who knows what input he even had on that movie or what his contribution was.
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In 1995, Russo put out a very long and very boring one-man show called Mad as Hell, where
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he's trying so hard to do a Howard Beale and Network impression.
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You'll often see people repost this video and claim that it's from 1991, even though
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in the show, he complains about a bill that passed in 1995.
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I suspect that the reason that people claim it came out in 1991 is so that it explains
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his complete drop-off from any show business credits in a way that isn't the work dried
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up.
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Right, right, right.
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Because of this, he couldn't get work anymore.
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He got blacklisted.
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As opposed to, this sucked and so did everything else he did.
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Right.
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It's more emotionally satisfying to be like, he put out this dangerous, threatening film
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and he got blacklisted for it, as opposed to, the work dried up and he pivoted to this.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Because he owed a lot of taxes.
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It is funny that the people who are most likely to blacklist people are the most likely to
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claim they're blacklisted when they suck.
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Anyway, I don't think at this point that he's running for the Libertarian nomination in
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2004.
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There's a whole lot of Hollywood that would have rallied around him.
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I was able to find an interview between Bette Midler and Disney head Michael Eisner from
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2006, where the two are making fun of Russo.
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I'm sorry?
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Yeah.
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They're talking about how Midler had excused Russo as her manager and Eisner says, quote,
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he's got a documentary out about to come out about how you don't have to pay your taxes.
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Midler replies, laughing, quote, that sounds right.
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Eisner says, quote, I've seen it.
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To which Bette replies, quote, I've been in, I was in a lot of very exciting police chases
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with him.
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Then Eisner tells a story about the time that Russo jokingly threatened to kill him.
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Not sure anyone took Russo all that seriously at this point outside of these hard right
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wing circles.
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Right.
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Right, right, right.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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I mean, he's like the kingpin in Boogie Nights if he was just a joke though.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So the, the, the, the situation with the threatening to kill him was that, uh, uh, before he was
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managing Bette Midler, uh, before managing Bette Midler, he got the call of the threatened
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murder then.
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Well, Russo was like managing some bands.
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Sure.
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Apparently Michael Eisner was a landlord.
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And so he tried to rent an apartment for Michael Eisner.
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Okay.
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So he had to do a tentative agreement.
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But then the next day after thinking about it, he's like, that guy, he manages bands.
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I can't do it.
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I can't like, it might be too rock and roll.
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So Michael Eisner said, I'm not going to rent this apartment to you.
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And then Russo was like, come on, man.
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I have a family, please.
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This is great.
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And so Michael Eisner agrees to it and then thinks about it overnight again and is like,
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I can't do it.
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He manages bands.
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And so he says a second time, I can't, I can't rent you this apartment.
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And then he says, I'm going to kill you.
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So then two years later,
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I don't like any of this.
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Two years later, Michael Eisner has a meeting about Bette Midler in walks Aaron Russo.
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And he's like, oh, you're that guy that I threatened to kill.
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And then he just walks out of the meeting.
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He's like, this is never going to work.
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And so that, uh, yeah, that, that good times.
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There's just not enough guys.
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I think the moral of that story is there's just not enough guys.
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One, why is Michael Eisner, I don't like any part of this story.
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I don't like Michael Eisner being a landlord and then suddenly being the Disney guy.
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I don't like that.
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I don't like how that, I don't know what trajectory you go from landlord to head of subsequent.
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I think it was at the same time.
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Excuse me.
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I think it was concurrent.
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Oh, okay.
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He was probably while also, uh, then he's that much of an asshole that he's going around.
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You don't want a rock and roll motor tenant choosing individually.
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I would assume that they are pretty nice places.
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I assume it's not like a little apartment that you could get.
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Fair enough.
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Uh, not like most of the places we've lived, you don't think he's a slum lord.
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You don't think Eisner is concurrently head of Disney and slum lording just for the part
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of it.
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It depends on your definitions.
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That's a good point.
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Uh, Russo is sure that all of this is going to amount to him winning the presidency.
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I have no doubts.
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Now, are you going to, I'm pretty sure you're the most prominent candidate out there, obviously
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the best of libertarians.
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Uh, do you think you're going to get the libertarian nomination?
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Well, let me put this where I started eight weeks ago in this race and, uh, I'm already
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in the lead and the wins at my back.
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I feel very, very secure that yes, I feel, I don't feel that's a problem at all.
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You know, I'm very, I'm very secure in that situation.
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In the 2004 libertarian primaries, there were five primary contests held and a man named
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Gary Nolan swept them all.
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Russo came in second in the California primary losing by 35%.
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Oh, that's not bad.
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He came in third in the Massachusetts primary behind Nolan and no preference.
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That's rough.
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He got 10.2% of the vote compared to 22% for no preference.
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I like no preference.
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That's a good libertarian vote right there.
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Yeah.
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So Gary Nolan was a conservative talk show host who quit his show in order to run for
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president and was roundly kicking people's asses in the primaries.
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But here's the thing for libertarians.
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The primaries don't actually mean anything and it's all about who people vote for at
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the convention.
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Great.
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So we get to the convention.
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The first ballot is a tight race for everyone except comedian Drew Carey who gets three
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votes.
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Wait, how did Drew Carey, he tied for winning Utah because he got two votes from delegates
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from Utah.
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He run or was, I think people just nominated him.
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Okay.
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I was going to say, yeah.
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He ended up getting out in the first round.
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He should, I mean, obviously he's the delegate from Ohio.
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He can't be from...
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Well, the people from Utah wanted him though he is from Cleveland, which rocks.
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So the first ballot, tight race at the top.
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You had Aaron Russo with 258 votes.
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Another conservative radio guy named Michael Badnarek had 256, so just two below.
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And then Gary Nolan was in third with 246.
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In the second round of voting, things went pretty similarly, but because Nolan was still
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in third, he ended up getting the boot and wasn't a candidate in the third ballot.
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Despite having won all of the primaries.
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The guy who had all the momentum.
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Yeah.
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So he's out on the way to the third ballot.
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Don't hate the player.
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Nolan gave a concession speech and endorsed Badnarek and most of his voters went to Badnarek
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securing the nomination for him.
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Right.
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What a rollercoaster.
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That was intense.
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Yeah.
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In his previous interviews, Russo would claim that he withdrew from the race because of
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health issues, but in reality, he just lost.
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Right.
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I find all of the effort and drama and just everything that goes into that to be fascinating
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in its complete ineptitude and uselessness.
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And I'm not going to sit here and pretend that the Democrat and Republican nominating
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processes are streamlined and make total sense.
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Oh, sure.
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But this one's also silly.
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Oh, no.
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Yeah.
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Because this is arcane and stupid and at the end of it, we all lose.
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That's fine.
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Right.
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Because at least a thing happens.
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Whereas with this one, you're doing it for God knows why.
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You're doing it for yourselves.
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It might as well be a convention where you guys talk about... It's like a ventriloquist
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convention.
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You know, you're all having a great time, but it's not for the rest of us.
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Oh, in the first round of ventriloquist to get one vote.
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I don't know if that's true.
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I might be making that up.
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I think you're supposed to get two votes at the very least.
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Well, that is... If your puppet doesn't vote for you, you're a bad candidate.
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You're the dummy.
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Hey.
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You stopped and took a breath.
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I'm going to take that one.
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That's my Christmas gift.
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Yeah.
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Merry Christmas.
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Thank you.
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So there's one thing that Aaron Russo is really, really famous for, and it's a cornerstone
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of his later documentary, the America Freedom to Fascism, and also a lot of the interviews
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that he does with various figures, including Alex in the future, and that is that he knows
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a member of the Rockefeller family, and this is not true, but it is important to recognize,
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and we'll play this clip here, that this is a part of his narrative from as far back as
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this.
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Now, the CFR is a group publicly sworn to set up a world government.
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Mr. Russo was saying he talked to a friend of his that's in the CFR.
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Please continue.
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Yeah.
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What I was saying was that coming out of the establishment after I made mad as hell, and
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right after I ran for governor... I was running for governor, rather, through a third party
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source.
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I got a call from a lawyer who wanted me to meet with one of the Rockefeller family, and
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I did.
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And this gentleman and I started hanging out here and talking, because he was... and he
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wanted to learn from me, and I wanted to learn from him.
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And it was really, really quite amazing the way they look at the world.
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Many of them, not him necessarily, but many people in the CFR actually think they're doing
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the right thing.
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You know, they think the world is dangerous.
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Let me guess what they said.
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Yes.
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Aaron, the world is very dangerous.
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We have to be ruthless, because all these other countries will get the weapons.
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That's exactly what they said.
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And we know best, and we've got to organize society, because people, they're so stupid.
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And, you know, why don't you join the elite, Aaron?
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Why don't you be with us?
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Well, you pretty much hit it right on the head.
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Crazy how he hit it right on the head.
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Yeah.
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All the things that this person 100% said.
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Yeah.
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It does feel like almost collaborative storytelling, where Alex is laying out the plot, and like,
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here's where this is going.
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Yep.
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So we have talked about Aaron Russo before.
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We covered some of his stuff, particularly this stuff, in a past episode.
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But just to give you a little bit of a refresher, there's a guy named Nicholas Rockefeller that
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he claims to be friends with, who told him all this stuff, and that guy is not a Rockefeller
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family member.
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I remember now.
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It is a fake Rockefeller.
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It is just a guy who took the name Rockefeller.
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Yes.
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And so there is a bunch of stuff that gets laundered through Aaron Russo of these Rockefeller
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conspiracy theories that have no basis in reality, and they do end up informing a lot
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of Alex's ideas.
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It is like a little bit of, if you're an opportunist, just find somebody with the last name that
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you can exploit, and then be like, hey, you're my friend, and then go from there.
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It's not hard.
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Yeah.
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You don't need a credential.
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I mean, it's like if you're a comic, you're like, oh, he was on The Late Show.
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You don't need it.
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I know a Rockefeller.
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Done.
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Same thing.
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Go for it.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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And I can say this guy isn't related to the Rockefellers, and he can say secret relative.
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Absolutely.
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There's no way around this.
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Come get me.
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Yeah.
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So one thing that I do find interesting is that at this point, Russo doesn't want to
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say who the Rockefeller is.
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Right.
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Now, Mr. Russo, now again, obviously it wasn't David Rockefeller.
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You want to tell us what's Rockefeller?
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I'd rather not.
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I'd rather not at the moment.
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So you had the CFR try to recruit you, and they said, hey, once you're in with us, you're
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above the law, so don't worry what we do to the sheep.
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It was, it saw both information and winks and nods, you know, it's never blatant.
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You know, it's never really blatant.
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I had one of the biggest networks five, six years ago try to recruit me, and they said,
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do you want to be a star, Alex, or on this crusade that's going nowhere?
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Here, here's your million dollar contract.
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Join us.
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I've literally had the meeting with the devil.
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How, like, first of all, that doesn't sound nefarious at all.
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That sounds like somebody who maybe offered you a job.
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Second, I think that when you have elaborate conspiracies that are based largely on winks
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and nods, and you know, they never say this stuff, but you know, it's based entirely on
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your interpretation of subtle cues, then maybe I'm going to say I don't trust your reading
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of subtle cues.
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Yeah.
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Because I have surrounding context, and the way that Aaron seems to deal with the rules
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of reality.
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Sure.
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He seems to bluff things a little bit.
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Right.
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Maybe his interpretations of the winks and nods that he got from these supposed Rockefellers
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maybe weren't accurate either.
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I will say that I can go so far, you know what, sometimes people don't put things in
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writing for a reason, you know?
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I will say that there are places wherein handshakes and winks and nods do occur.
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Right.
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I don't trust any of the Russo ones.
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A wise fictional character once said, you don't take notes on a criminal fucking conspiracy.
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Yeah, exactly.
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And that guy was real.
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Hmm?
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Well, I mean, in a fictional sense.
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He's fictionally real.
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So Aaron Russo believes that Bush and Kerry are the same person, basically.
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Sure.
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Wait.
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Not literally.
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Oh, that'd be more fun.
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But it comes down to a bizarre metaphor in order to explain his feelings.
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Sure.
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And they give us no choices.
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I mean, Bush and Kerry are the same person.
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I mean, it's ridiculous, you know.
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I use this analogy.
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Imagine this beautiful woman was in a terrible car accident and her face was completely disfigured
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and needs plastic surgery desperately.
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And so George Bush says, okay, let's put a little eyeliner on her right side of her face.
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And John Kerry says, let's put a little mascara on the left side of her face.
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And that's what we're going to do.
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This country needs plastic surgery.
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It needs an overhaul from top to bottom.
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We've lost everything that we ever had here and we've got to restore it.
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We've got to bring it back.
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And that's what's necessary.
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And there's no one out there doing it.
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So I've decided to run and use all my knowledge, everything I know in my life to win this campaign.
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You're a weird guy.
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You are weird.
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Here's the thing.
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If that's off the dome, fine.
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But I mean, the way he presented it is like, as I like to say, as though this is a regular
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thing that he tells people, this is the one that I, this is the one that I've got in my
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back pocket that I bring out all the time.
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I think that there's a hundred ways to make the same sort of allegorical point that aren't
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like weird, like, like that is a beautiful woman in a terrible accident.
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Your abusive adjectives for this is a little bit disingenuous.
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Feels gross.
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So just to illustrate that Aaron Russo and Alex Jones are both not-profit types and their
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predictions are generally very wrong.
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This is mostly targeted at Alex, but Russo's along for the ride.
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Here's some ding-dong stuff.
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That Aaron is taking action, further educating himself and involved looking at all of this.
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We've got a whole bunch of phone calls here that I'm sure want to talk about every issue
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under the sun.
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And it all ties into why you're running for president against this tyranny.
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But before we do that, I know you've got a lot to talk about any other key points you
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want to hit on Aaron.
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Well, I think it's very important that people have to learn about the military draft that's
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coming.
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You know, the Department of Defense put up on their website a posting calling for people
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to man the draft boards.
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And I took that.
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That's a universal draft, by the way, men and women, and you have to serve here domestically
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as their slaves.
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And I tried to add all men and women between the ages of 18 and 26.
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We all know that happened.
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Yep.
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That's certainly in the 20 years since.
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I will say this.
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For America, I think one thing that we have proven is that a draft is not possible, because
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we cannot be trusted with guns.
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Hmm.
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I don't know if that's the reason.
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I mean, I recognize that, but I mean...
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I don't think a draft is possible for a hundred different reasons.
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Sure.
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I'm just saying, I wouldn't give a lot of people guns.
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Sure, but I think a lot of those people already have guns.
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And that's why you don't want to give them permission.
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The authority of some sort.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, so this is a good obsession to have, because it scares people a lot.
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The idea of a draft is really scary, and you look back on Vietnam War era, the dynamics
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of the draft are things that still haunt people, and obviously it's very potent to scare people
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and be like, this is what the enemies are going to do.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I mean, it's hard really to put myself into the head space of the idea of the government
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saying that I have to go to war, because I mean, okay.
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Because eventually they get to your door, and you have the options of either going along
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with them or going to jail or some sort of thing like that, right?
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To me, I just cannot get into the head space of like, yeah, I'll go kill people, instead
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of like, oh, you're going to put me in a room?
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I mean, I guess I'll go into a room.
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Is that what we're doing?
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Yeah, I mean, I feel like that's kind of the choice that you end up in.
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Right?
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It's, yeah.
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But so many people were like, well, I guess I have to do this, because the government
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says so.
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Right.
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It's wild.
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Yeah.
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Wild.
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I don't know.
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I haven't looked too deeply into how...
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Into your draft soul?
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Well, like how capable people were of just being like, well, I'll go to jail then.
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Sure, sure.
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I imagine there's a fair amount of pretty, pretty coerced conscription.
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Yeah.
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There has to be.
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You know?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But the point is that it's something that you can really use to make people anxious.
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And that is why it is something that Alex has used as a prediction, that it's coming
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right around the corner for years and years constantly, is because it doesn't lose its
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ability to evoke that fear and that feeling in people.
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And it's a good way to characterize your enemies.
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See, I mean, and again, it's just wild to me that you would be afraid of something like
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that.
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Because seriously, okay, so fine.
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Now we're past that.
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I'm coerced.
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I can't go sit in a room.
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Now I got to go do the war.
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I got a war, right?
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The first thing you got to do is teach me how to war, right?
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Now, at that point in time, I can learn how to war or I can subtly sabotage the whole
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war thing to the point where you go, I don't want you to war with us because you're so
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bad at this.
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Then you get killed in friendly fire or something.
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Something, something.
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But I mean, like the idea of just being afraid of like, you understand that I can just be
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so bad at this that you don't want me there.
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But you understand also the dynamics of, um, you know, the military is not known for just
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being like, Oh no, he won't cooperate.
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Whatever will we do?
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Oh no.
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I mean, I'm talking like, whoops, I'm sorry.
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I dropped this grenade over there.
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Ah, you know, wacky shenanigans.
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All right.
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I don't know if that qualifies as wacky.
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I would get out of the military through shenanigans.
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So it would, it would turn into like earnest, uh, goes to war or whatever Vietnam is exactly
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my lifestyle.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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So, um, Alex asks, uh, Aaron Russo about the federal reserve because this is one of his
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big issues.
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Um, and, uh, this does not inspire confidence.
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The federal reserve is what gives them so much power.
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Yeah.
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The money makes the rules.
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Maggie, thanks for the call.
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You keep bringing up the federal reserve.
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It is the central point of their power in 1913 and a minute or two break down with the
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federal reserve.
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It really is.
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Sure.
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You want me to do it now?
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Yeah, go ahead.
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No, I'm sorry.
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Well, essentially the first of all, you should realize America has $72 trillion in unfunded
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liabilities, which means that either that money has to be created out of thin air, further
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destroying the currency we have in this country, or they have to renege on the debt.
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Okay.
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So I'm not, uh, I'm not too inspired here.
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When Alex asked what the federal reserve is, Russo launches into a bit about unfunded liabilities,
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essentially just parroting conservative anti-government spending talking points.
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These unfunded liabilities aren't the terrifying thing that folks like Russo make them out
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to be.
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These are things like future social security payments, which the government will need to
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pay, but the money to pay that out comes from future payments into the social security system.
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You'll often hear that the government has unfunded obligations to pay X amount of money
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out of Medicare and social security over the next 50 or so years.
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It'll seem like a giant amount of money and there's no money to pay it currently.
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That's because the system relies on workers paying into that system over the course of
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the next 50 or so years, thereby funding those unfunded liabilities.
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This is a favored boogeyman talking point of the right wing types because they hate
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government spending on social welfare.
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They don't want to pay taxes and don't give a fuck if your grandparents can't afford their
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medications, but they know that is not a winning argument to sell to the public.
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If they cause a bunch of panic about these unfunded liabilities, you can mask your real
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agenda behind a fake appearance of concern, and that's the typical game.
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You don't hear this unfunded liabilities stuff when you're in opposition to bailing out or
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subsidizing some big business stuff or whatever.
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That's not the tack that's taken by these conservative types and there's a reason.
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The whole money thing for the government is so silly.
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The moment I looked into the military budget and how at a point they were like, oh yeah,
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so we tried to, but you cannot audit this money.
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You'll never know where it's going to go.
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The idea of the yearly, oh, we're going to give you $800 billion thing is purely ceremonial.
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The idea is if the military wants something, they will get it.
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There's no real money.
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But what about the unfunded liabilities?
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There's no real money.
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It doesn't matter.
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If they spend $800 billion last year, no one fucking knows.
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Maybe they spent 10.
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No one knows.
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No one's going to ask.
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If they want something though, it's theirs.
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I agree with you generally speaking, but I also think that broadly, I don't think that
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no one knows where any of the money goes.
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Sure, sure.
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I agree with you that there's not a precise accounting, but it's not like it's all a mystery.
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No, no, no.
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There's somebody who pays money, but what do they... So, okay, the person who is writing
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the check for the people with the plane or whatever, here's how much money we need for
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this amount of plane.
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If he doesn't have that much money, he doesn't go like, oh, well, I guess we can't get the
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plane.
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He just turns to somebody and he goes, put more money into the thing that gets the plane
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stuff.
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And that person goes, okay.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, money's not real.
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Sure.
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There's a great deal of the stuff that people like Aaron Russo and folks on the very much
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anti-government, anti-tax bandwagon, a lot of the stuff that they fear monger about are
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the systems that they're misrepresenting or they're things that we owe ourself.
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Yeah.
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They're not... It's not like someone's going to break your legs because you owe somebody
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X, Y, or Z amount.
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Yeah, to continue the plane people thing, that guy you turned to and were like, hey,
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give me more money, is the guy you're getting the plane stuff from.
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It's a circle.
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Yeah.
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Which isn't to say that that's- It's not, it's real money.
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And that's not to say that it's not an uncorrupt system in a lot of ways, but the way that
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it's being described as corrupt by people like Aaron Russo are in service of a different
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agenda.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So Aaron leaves.
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It's a very friendly interview and the two of them clearly are hitting it off.
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Yeah.
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They seem nice.
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And this, it does become a flowering friendship between the two of them.
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Aaron is a guest on Alex's show in the future.
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The two of them have interviews about Nicholas Rockefeller and all kinds of crazy bullshit,
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but he leaves and we get to a little bit of news.
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Okay.
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There's a little bit of news.
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All right.
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And we're going to continue with your phone calls at 800-259-9231.
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Last hour, I got into part of the article, found the 9-11 stand down order.
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Jim Hoffman has discovered a document which I believe may be very important to the 9-11
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skeptic movement.
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The document supersedes earlier DOD procedures.
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And as of June 1st, 2001, there was an order put out by the joint chiefs that generals
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can no longer shoot down derelict or hijacked aircraft that had to all go through Rumsfeld.
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So another reason they didn't shoot down aircraft.
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So Jim Hoffman is a very discredited conspiracy peddler, and this is not a stand down order
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that he supposedly found.
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Also, you hear it in the first person.
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That's because Alex is reading a blog post off Jeff Rents's website, which is in the
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first person.
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Jeff Rents.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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We talked about him.
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So this is an update to the guidelines for dealing with aircraft piracy, which makes
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changes like taking instances where the document says U.S. Element North American Aerospace
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Defense Command and changing them to North American Aerospace Defense Command.
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So there's like those kinds of changes and what have you.
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Updates like this to policy guidelines happen all the time, and conspiracy theorists love
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to pretend that they're making far more sweeping changes than they actually are.
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In this case, the argument that Alex is putting forth is that the document made it so only
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Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense, could have any say about shooting down civilian
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aircraft, whereas previously any old general could make that determination.
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Any old general.
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This is absolutely not true.
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This document updated an almost identical document for 1997, and it doesn't change anything
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about the chain of responsibility for decision making.
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In both, they say that the FAA is responsible for monitoring flights and requesting help
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from the Department of Defense if they feel like it's needed.
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In the updated 2001 version, as well as the 1997 version, they say, quote, in the event
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of a hijacking, the National Military Command Center will be notified by the most expeditious
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means by the FAA.
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The NMCC will, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by reference D, forward
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requests for DOD assistance to the Secretary of Defense for approval.
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When the document says, with the exception of immediate responses as authorized by reference
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D, it's talking about DOD policy that predated this document and wasn't changed by it.
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Essentially, federal military commanders had the authority to respond to emergencies immediately
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if it was a situation where they could not reasonably get the permission from the Secretary
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of Defense.
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Right.
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It's pretty clear from the language of the document that this authority to respond doesn't
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extend to shooting down an aircraft full of civilians, and in fact, it explicitly says,
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quote, immediate response authority does not permit actions that would subject civilians
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to the use of military power.
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Right.
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So, don't think that Alex's angle on this is accurate.
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Okay.
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So, what's it, so, I mean, fewer planes get shot down.
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That's the idea, right?
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Of this update?
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Is that the idea?
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No.
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No.
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More planes get shot down?
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No.
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There are more possible situations wherein planes can get shot down?
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No.
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There are fewer possible situations?
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Clarifying language?
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And it's really, I don't remember exactly what it is, but there's the, there's the category
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of, like, derelict aircraft, and that's, like, air balloons, unmanned planes, and so it added
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a couple things to that category of derelict things that can be shot down if they pose
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a threat to people.
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And so, it's not, it doesn't make anything about more planes being shot down, less planes
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being shot down.
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It's just updating, like, some language and stuff.
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Yeah.
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That happens all the time.
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That's what I feel like.
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So, instead of having a conversation that involves planes being shot down, my only interest
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is more or fewer, you know, larger or fewer the number of planes being shot down, and
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then what we do...
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I don't think any kind of bill could really determine that, because it's really contingent
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on what the circumstances are.
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Well, I mean, do you know what I mean?
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Like, are we tightening the scenarios?
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Are we allowing for more possibilities where you can shoot down?
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And why?
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And I, yeah, from my understanding, this does not change any of that.
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If that's the case, then we don't need to talk about it.
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Right.
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That's for other people.
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Even under Alex's definition, I don't think that it changes that.
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Because Alex's version of it is simply that it just made the Secretary of Defense responsible
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for making all of these decisions, as opposed to generals on the ground.
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Because only the Secretary of Defense could make these decisions, Donald Rumsfeld was
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able to have a stand down and make nobody respond.
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To keep the generals from shooting the planes out of the sky.
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From 9-11.
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Right.
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That, I think I got.
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Yes.
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So that's the foundational element of Alex's conspiracy, and that is complete horseshit.
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Yeah, that seems crazy.
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But it's interesting to go back in time, because we can really see the way that Alex's MO has
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honestly never changed.
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It's just that technology has.
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In the present day, so much of his coverage is just skimming memes and Twitter posts and
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pretending that qualifies as a valid source, but in the past it was no different.
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He was just using idiotic blog posts as the same thing he was skimming.
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This is his workflow.
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This is what he does.
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Yeah, I mean, it was so clear how he became what he became, is because at the time there
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weren't 10 million other YouTubers to go to who had the same blog posts that they were
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reading.
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Right.
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And there were so many fewer, Jesus Christ, that's some good modifications.
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So many fewer.
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So many fewer.
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No, it's just that the space was so available for the taking.
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Yeah.
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And he was there.
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Well, you had basically the same thing as a bunch of other YouTubers with the same blog
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posts, except it was a couple of conservative talk show hosts on the radio with the same
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Drudge Report type headlines and stuff.
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And the thing that set Alex apart was that he had no boss and no concern of pressure
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from advertisers and stuff like that.
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So he could be free to lie and misrepresent things, he could yell, he could do basically
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whatever he wanted in a way that all those other talk show hosts couldn't, and therefore
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he could make shit up and spread conspiracy shit that was much more interesting and exploited
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various fears and insecurities of the audience in a way that someone like Sean Hannity probably
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couldn't get away with doing.
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And so that's really, I believe, one of the biggest elements of his standing out back
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then.
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It's more interesting.
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It is, and it's a thing that plays out over and over and over again.
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As any kind of new media pops up, this kind of same cannibalization happens.
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The same space opens up, this guy breaks in, creates the space, and then it gets torn into
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little eight million YouTubers all watching the same shit, making the same video about
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each other.
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Yeah, I think that you have a proof of concept of something that somebody does and then everybody
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is like, well, I'll try and do that.
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And I think that Alex has probably been surpassed in some ways by the other people who saw him
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and was like, I can do that.
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And because the internet exists the way it does, those previous pressures to people like
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Hannity or whatever who are on those radio stations, those don't apply to folks anymore.
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And so that thing that made Alex kind of different and able to move in a different way than those
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other hosts, that's been eliminated.
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It's not unique to him anymore.
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Yeah, it is one of those things that you look at and if you take a step back over the larger
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like decade long view, it does feel like there are just these sliders.
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There's like four different things that you alter, four different little attributes and
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you have a different guy.
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You know, like remove the boss from Tucker Carlson and you have Alex Jones add energy,
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you know, like it is so much that.
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And that's just it.
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That's all these people are.
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There's nothing unique about them, truly.
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It's just a different scramble of the same shit.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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There's something to that.
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Yeah.
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So we get another headline, another bit of news and I was very interested in this.
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Oh, there's so much more here.
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Here in the hour, I'm going to read over some of Senate bill 742 because people can't believe
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this and I want to read over it again about putting you in a forest labor camp for life.
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If one protester blocks traffic, everyone gets life in prison and I wanted to read some
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of the other crimes you get life in prison for if they're able to pass this.
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And here's the deal.
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I'm going to take calls and I'm given each caller and I want to hear from you.
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We love you to death, but I don't like the fact that people tell me they can't get into
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the show for weeks sometimes because the phones get loaded up and then we don't get to them.
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I'm going to give each caller a minute and I'm not going to interrupt you.
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Questions, comments, anything you want to talk about.
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You got 60 seconds.
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Another thing that's been a constant thread through Alex's career is the insistence that
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he's going to go to calls and not talk.
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They're just giving callers a minute to say whatever they want.
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Whatever you want.
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He's been trying to do that for 20 years.
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We have seen that a lot.
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Now I've heard Alex constantly talk about this supposed bill that would make everyone
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at a protest subjected to internment in a forest labor camp if someone blocks traffic,
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but I'd never actually heard the specific bill number.
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Now that I have, I can look into it a little.
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In 2004 we were in the middle of the 108th session of Congress and in that session, S742
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was titled the International Disability and Victims of Warfare Civil Strife Assistance
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Act of 2003.
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Okay, if I understand, that is the bill that will outlaw all protest and put everybody
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in jail forever.
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Well, I mean, I'm just, this is the first place you look.
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All right.
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So it was introduced by a Republican from Kansas, Sam Brownback, and has literally zero
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to do with the stuff that Alex is talking about.
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It was also referred to the Committee on Foreign Relations in March 2003 and died there.
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I thought that maybe Alex was talking about a bill from the House and I accidentally said
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Senate, so I checked HR 742, but that was a proposed code change to reduce the age you're
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eligible for military retirement pay from 60 to 55.
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Okay.
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Well, that's nice.
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Yeah, but it clearly isn't it.
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Yeah.
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So then I decided to check the 107th Congress, the previous one, but S742 that year was the
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Retirement Security and Savings Act of 2001, which also died in committee.
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Yeah, that sounds right.
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In the 106th Congress, S742 is a clarification on the requirements that would be needed to
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be met for China to join the World Trade Organization, which also died in committee.
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That makes sense.
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In the 105th Congress, it was a bill promoting adoption.
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There just isn't a bill with this number.
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It matches Alex's story in any way.
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So a little later in this episode, Alex reads from a blog post about this bill and because
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he used precise language that's used in this blog, I was able to trace it down and get
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to the bottom of this.
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It's not a bill in the U.S. Senate.
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It's in the Oregon State Senate.
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Sure.
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And it didn't pass.
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Wow.
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Already.
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By the time Alex is talking about it.
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Great.
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Great.
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Alex's version of this is very cartoonish and disconnected from reality, but it also
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is way too broadly written to be an effective law.
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It was essentially trying to create a catch-all type of offense called the crime of terrorism.
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But as you can well imagine, terrorism is a term that has a million meanings.
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So trying to legislate a clear definition of it isn't going to be a smooth process.
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Anybody who does something to make you afraid.
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Oh no, this is going to be.
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In effect, this was meant to supplement already existing laws and crimes in Oregon by adding
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this terrorism distinction, which would allow for life sentences for people who commit other
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crimes in furtherance of terrorist goals.
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Sure.
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The issue is that some of these crimes that it was meant to apply to made sense, like
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giving and receiving bribes, but it also extended things like dog fighting and the unlawful
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distribution of cigarettes.
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Okay.
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I was going to say, is the IRA a huge problem in the Oregon at this time?
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Maybe.
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Okay.
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I understand the intention of the bill, which is obviously to enable the state to more harshly
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prosecute terrorists for adjacent crimes.
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Sure.
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But it's also not really well thought out, and because of how nebulously it has to be
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written, it opens the door to the kind of propaganda optics that these games that Alex
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likes to play.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You were never going to be sent to a forest labor camp if you're at a protest and someone
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stops traffic, but because of how the bill is written, Alex can make that impression.
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The list of crimes that this applies to is at the bottom of the bill, but at the top
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it says, quote, a person commits the crime of terrorism if the person knowingly plans,
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participates in, or carries out any act that is intended by at least one of its participants
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to disrupt A, the free and orderly assembly of the inhabitants of the state of Oregon,
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B, commerce or the transportation systems of the state of Oregon, or C, the educational
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or governmental institutions of Oregon or its inhabitants.
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Yeah, that's not going to be applied well.
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Well, without the context of the acts that it's meant to apply to, it sounds like anything
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anybody does that's in any way disruptive is going to be classified as terrorism and
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make the person subject to life in prison.
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Pretty much.
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So why use that context because it makes this job way easier.
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You can pretty easily come up with an argument against this bill, even with the context intact,
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but it's so much easier to create this cartoon ass version of it to attack.
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It's lazy, but it's more interesting.
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And it creates the impression of the comic book villain tyranny that you're pretending
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to be up against.
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It reinforces that.
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And so why give the context?
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Your audience doesn't demand it.
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Who gives a shit?
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Yeah.
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I was thinking that while this is going on, you know, there are so many times where you
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think of people talking about these laws that they want, you know, all that stuff.
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And what they're not thinking is what if these laws were to apply to me?
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You know, the assumption is like, this is for other, the smaller people, that kind of
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thing, right?
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Alex kind of seems to have like the opposite point of view on this that I would expect
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from him, because if he was the person who was telling, was determining who was terrorists,
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he would love this bill.
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This is exactly what they want.
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That's why they make it okay for you to hit somebody at a protest with your car.
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You know, like this, that is the bill that they are arguing against falsely here.
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The one that they want.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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Just wanted to be clear on this.
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But, you know, I mean, even like with your explanation and everything, it's all games.
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It's a game of depriving the audience of information in order to paint the picture that you want
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to paint.
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Yeah.
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And I think that also Alex is, you know, I think maybe somewhat intentionally trying
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to obscure the fact that this is a Oregon state Senate bill that didn't pass, you know,
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and it takes the stakes down a little bit.
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It does.
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It does.
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And I've heard him talk about it so many times, but never had any kind of specific, like that
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bill number that was able to latch onto, like, what is this?
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What are you talking about?
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And that makes it more difficult to realize what a fraud he's been.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It should have been specifically the Oregon doesn't like Portland bill that he was talking
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about.
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So Alex reads a little bit from this blog and bill and something interesting is going
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on.
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The president is convicted of terrorism under this section.
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The court shall order that the person be confined for a minimum of 25 years without possibility
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of parole and only to be released on work release to a forest or work camp.
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So you get 25 years if you agree to the forest work camp.
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And so there you go.
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And then they give the things that you can get life in prison for, not just blocking
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traffic.
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And some of this stuff's bad.
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Some of it's stuff that's not bad, but so they make some real crimes then with things
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that aren't crimes.
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What?
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Bribes.
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Giving, as defined in section 106.015, a penal code of Oregon.
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Bribe receiving, and it gives that, public investment fraud.
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Bribing a witness.
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Bribe receiving by a witness, simulating legal process, so acting like you're a lawyer.
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Official misconduct in the first degree, custodial interference in the second degree, custodial
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interference in the first degree.
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Anything or selling a person under 18 years of age is defined, so they put a few things
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that are really bad.
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They put a few things that are bad.
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Share their custodial interference.
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Yeah.
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Encouraging child sexual abuse in the first degree, and then it gives some more of those.
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Possessing of materials depicting sexually explicit, you know, same stuff.
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Ew.
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So blocking traffic isn't found anywhere in the bill, but you can see an interesting thing
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happen here.
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Sure.
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Alex is reading off the offenses that this bill relates to, and all of it's pretty bad
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stuff.
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Yeah.
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But he needs to be opposed to this bill.
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In order to do that, he has to cling desperately to the idea that it also includes life sentences
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for people who block traffic, which he's just making up.
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Yeah.
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This is nonsense.
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Yeah, this sounds too reasonable, so the unreasonable thing that I thought it was, I'm gonna make
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it that.
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Yeah, and if you go down the full list of these offenses, there are ways that you can
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kind of understand how these could be part of a terrorist enterprise.
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Sure.
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Things like bribery, things like human trafficking, things like theft.
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There's some that are a little bit like, I'm not exactly sure where this would apply, like
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unlawful recording of a live performance.
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I'm not sure exactly how that-
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What did ASCAP get that in there?
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What is going on?
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Right, right.
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There are a few things like that, but then the rest of it is stuff like, you know, fraudulent
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ID stuff, identity theft, illegal purchasing of handguns.
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Things like that, a lot of it does make sense.
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But Alex is pretending that it's like, oh, they threw a few things in here and then it's
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blocking traffic.
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It's not.
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It's absolutely not.
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That's also one of those things that's very much got that feel of like, how good are we
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doing on the regular bribes thing, right?
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How many bribery cases have we prosecuted in the past year?
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Two?
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Oh, great.
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Why are we bothering with terrorists on top of this, you know?
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I bet there's more.
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I bet it's just something you never hear about because why would you?
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It's not-
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I mean, I feel like bribery is kind of a thing that you hear about.
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It's not a juicy story.
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I don't know.
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Isn't bribery like a really juicy story?
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I don't know.
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I mean, if I'd known in advance you wanted to get into this, I could maybe see if I find
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some bribery convictions.
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I mean, I kind of want to see some more bribery convictions, honestly.
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All right.
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I mean, whenever one of our Supreme Court justices is just a walking bribe, then it's
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hard to imagine that there's like regular bribe convictions.
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Well, here's the thing.
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Like, that's really high stakes.
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Sure.
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So, like, it's, you know, obviously you're not going to see the conviction of a Supreme
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Court judge.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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A problem.
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So, we got a former alderman of Chicago in Chicago found guilty of racketeering and bribery.
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Sure.
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Well, yeah, but see, that's almost like-
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Two days ago.
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That's almost offensive because they all are and we all know it.
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Here's another headline.
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A Cincinnati councilman sentenced for bribery scheme, that was three days ago.
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Okay.
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So, most of our government, most local governments across this nation should probably have somebody
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right now being arrested and convicted of bribery.
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Four days ago, former East Cleveland police officers found guilty in bribery trial.
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So, I mean, like, what I'm saying is there are instances of this and a lot of it is more
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local type stuff and you're not necessarily going to hear about it, so you feel like,
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yeah, we're not convicting anybody of bribery.
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No, I mean, I feel like that's the, I think it's more of the problem is that we're apparently
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convicting a lot of people of bribery.
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I mean, that was a number of cases just from a few days.
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That doesn't even have a recent past.
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Maybe it's just clearing out the docket.
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Could be.
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Getting all those.
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End of the year.
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End of the year.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So anyway, back to Alex.
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He completely fucked up reading the act here.
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He says that you can get out of prison if you go to a forest labor camp, but actually
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this says the opposite.
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Quote, when a person is convicted of terrorism under this section, the court shall order
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that person to be confined for a minimum of 25 years without the possibility of parole,
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released to post-prison supervision, release on work release, or any form of temporary
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leave or employment at a forest or work camp.
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Jesus.
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The forest or work camp stuff is only in this bill as an example of a thing that you would
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be prohibited from being sent to if you're convicted of terrorism under this.
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Yeah.
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I would only say that this is a case of Alex being lazy, but as he's reading that passage,
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you can hear him pause and add additional words so it fits his narrative.
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Listen to this.
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Court shall order that the person be confined for a minimum of 25 years without possibility
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of parole and only to be released on work release to a forest or work camp.
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So you get 25 years if you agree to the forest work camp.
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He paused and added and only to be released in there because he needs those words to make
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the narrative work.
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He's intentionally lying to the audience to scare them about this bullshit.
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And it's a bill that didn't pass already by this point and he's just making shit up about
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it.
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What a weird, you know, I don't think about it too often, but that is such a weird thing
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for people writing laws to like specify what you can do while you're in prison.
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You know, like what do you want out of that?
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Like if you can't, you can't go to work, you can't do anything, you can't work, you can't
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do any of this stuff.
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So you just want this person in a, in a hole, you know, like that's the idea that you're
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writing a bill in advance.
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I'm guessing that the instinct there or the thought process is this would not be applied
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to people who weren't public danger, you know, and so probably someone who's at a forest
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a work kind of place could be able to escape or something.
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I think the odds are higher than if you're just in prison.
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Totally.
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So I think that that's probably the impetus for like you, if you're convicted under this,
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you can't go to any place where it's easier for you to escape.
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Sure, sure.
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I'm not, I mean, obviously I have my reputation, but I'm not ascribing anything nefarious to
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this.
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It just seems very interesting to me, this idea of like pre-planning in advance where
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this theoretical person could be held, you know, that's a fact.
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That's a strange thing that humans do.
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Yeah.
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Well, yeah.
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Lawyers.
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Yeah, well.
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I mean, it's sure.
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I think it is weird, but I bet it's not that weird if you have a habit of like writing
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bills and stuff, you know, I imagine there's a whole list of considerations that we never
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even consider because we don't do that.
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And there are people who love to do that shit.
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Yeah, that's true.
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I'm sure.
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Which, which strikes, you know, some people as weird, but I love to, you know, listen
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to Alex's bullshit from the 20 years ago, so that's not common.
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I love that they love that.
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I'm bummed out whenever people are doing it and they hate it.
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That sucks.
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Yeah.
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You don't like the person who sadly is forced to come up with incarceration schemes.
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I hate incarcerating people.
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Then don't do it, man.
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So we come to the end of this and, you know, we got a couple of bullshit headlines, certainly,
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and Alex is the beginning of his relationship with Aaron Russo.
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The first time they spoke on air and presumably from what it appears, first time they've ever
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spoke.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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I think it's immediate, like right out the gate, Alex is like, I want to, this person
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is showbiz.
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Yeah.
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He wants part of the showbiz of this person, right?
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Yeah.
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And, and, and, and that's such a common thing, you know, like I feel like people, particularly
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on the pretty far right, are very desperate for anybody who has the appearance of mainstream
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pop culture kind of adjacency.
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They really, really like those people.
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And Aaron Russo is a perfect example of that because you can't take away the fact that
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he was a rock band promoter, that he was Bette Midler's manager, that he did produce one
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of the producers on Trading Places, you know, like those things are not in dispute.
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Yeah.
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And so he has a really easy thing to be like, look, this showbiz guy, he knows everything
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about the inner workings of how the machine works, the establishment.
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I'm not sure.
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I'm not sure about that.
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Yeah, it is.
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It is like the right gets the bizarro version of every pop culture thing that they can.
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Like even Clint Eastwood, they got the version of Clint Eastwood that talks to a chair, you
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know, like there's a bizarro version of Aaron, the Russo brothers, just regular producers
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who've done Marvel movies, who've won Academy Awards, you know, the whole thing.
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I bet they managed Bette Midler's end of her career.
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You don't think so?
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I don't know.
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But yeah, you know, it does, you know, that instinct of desperate clinging to anybody
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who's like mainstream popular, who will go along with your stuff.
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It explains a lot of the stuff like why Tucker Carlson interviewed Kid Rock.
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And as we're recording this, apparently it just came out that he interviewed Kevin Spacey.
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It's that desperation of pop culture adjacency that because it's something that they're denied,
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you know, it's something that they do not have access to because of their fringeness.
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They are not accepted into the mainstream of people's celebrity-ness.
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It's just that constant, like the harder you try to get it, the more it is impossible to
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get.
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And the more you want it, the less people want to give it to you.
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And then you get Kid Rock.
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Like that's what happens.
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Like it is that vicious cycle of because you desire it, it is not available to you.
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And here's Kid Rock.
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That's Buddhist in a way.
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And you know what I say to that?
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Bah with the bah.
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I am the bull god.
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That is when the hood, when the dark hood and the skeletal finger points and you hear
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bah with the bah, you know that's the ghost of Christmas future coming for you.
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Yeah.
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I should listen to that Kid Rock interview with Tucker if only because I want to see
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if he brings up Joe C. Three foot tall with a ten foot dick.
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I can't imagine.
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I can't imagine.
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Anyway, we will be back.
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But until then, we have a website.
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Indeed we do.
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It's knowledgeright.com.
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Yep, we're also on Twitter.
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Bish, bish, bish.
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And Blue Sky and whatever those things are.
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The social media.
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Yep.
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Anyway, we'll be back.
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But until then, bah with the bah, the bang, the dang, the diggy, wait, I forgot to say
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I'm the only D.J.
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X. Clark.
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Bah with the bah, the bang, the dang, the diggy.
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I think I could probably recite all of the lyrics to that.
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I know and it scares me.
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This is for the questions that don't have any answers, the midnight glances and the
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topless dancers.
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Get out while you can.
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Alright.
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Okay.
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Woo yeah, woo yeah.
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And now here comes the sex robot.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
