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Hello, Alex, I'm a first-time color language fan.

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I love your work.

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Knowledge Fight.

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Hey, everybody.

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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

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I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes.

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We like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene,

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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan.

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Jordan.

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I have a quick question for you, sir.

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Stop.

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What's your bright spot today?

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My bright spot today, Jordan, is, first of all,

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it's nice to be back in the saddle.

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It is nice to be back in the saddle.

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We took a little bit of, you know,

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it wasn't that long of a break.

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No.

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But a break from recording to put out the live episodes.

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Right.

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And it feels like it has been quite a while.

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For us, anything longer than five days,

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an absurd length of time.

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I think it's about a week.

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Yeah.

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Maybe.

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Because we recorded the one after we got back.

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Yep.

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And so, yeah, it's fairly-

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It's been about eight days.

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Maybe a little over a week.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Too long.

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Too long.

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Five days is the correct amount, maximum, yeah.

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It's nice for me because I did take a little bit of time

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to myself.

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Interesting.

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To play some video games and what have you.

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I like it.

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I like it.

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And do a little bit of work around the house.

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But other than that, I was still working.

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I had to put out the live episode.

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Of course.

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Of course.

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And then also, that leads me to my bright spot.

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So, during the time that we were in the UK, it was wonderful.

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And meeting people and having a chance to see the way

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that people interact with our show was incredibly valuable.

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Yeah.

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And when we were at QED, talking to both the organizers

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of the festival, people who were really involved in that,

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and then also people who were attendees, getting a sense

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and a real feeling from them was eye-opening in some ways.

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It was.

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And one of the things that I've realized in the time,

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including the trip, and since we have taken a little bit

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of time off, is I need focus.

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I need a central focus.

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Uh-huh.

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And I think I found my mission statement that will guide

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the next chapter of our podcast.

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Okay.

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And my professional career.

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This is like whenever you're watching a movie

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and 45 minutes into it, they get the title card.

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Yeah.

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Or how I felt in Assassin's Creed Odyssey.

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Right.

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I felt like it was halfway through the game.

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Oh, and then it's, oh.

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What?

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Oh my God, it just started?

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Shit.

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Holy shit.

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Yeah, I've figured out what I want the next bit of my life

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to be about.

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Mm-hmm.

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And that is I want to destroy Alex's career.

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Okay.

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Now, not in terms of the future.

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Sure.

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I will leave the courts to that.

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Sure.

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They will take care of that on their own.

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Right.

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And Alex is self-destructive enough that he's gonna

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destroy his own career.

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Sure.

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I want to destroy his legacy.

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You want to dismantle it brick by brick.

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Exactly.

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So every hashtag Alex Jones will end before was right.

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I want to, and I'm going to make it my business and personal

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mission, to destroy everything he's created.

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Yeah.

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And the way I conceive of that is similar to the end game

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breakdown that we did.

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Mm-hmm.

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I feel like anybody who takes that film seriously needs only

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listen to our podcast or look at the bibliography that is a

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breakdown of his bibliography to realize you should not take

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this seriously.

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Right.

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And I would like to, and I intend to, create this for every

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piece of work that he has put out.

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Not necessarily every episode of his show, because that's kind

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of what the podcast is.

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Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.

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But I am going to dismantle these works that he has put out.

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Uh-huh.

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And the first is The Great Reset.

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Right.

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That book that he put out.

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Right.

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I'm going to trash that thing.

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Okay.

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And so that's the next thing on my horizon.

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Yeah.

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Alex has a new book coming out, which you've mentioned.

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Right.

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And I hope to have this done and out by the time his new book

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comes out.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So I can destroy that too.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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There's a lot of things that we do to avoid working on our own

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books, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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Well, in some ways this is another book that I'm working on.

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Right, right, exactly.

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So it will be book length for sure.

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That is definitely true.

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As it stands now, the way it works, and I have been

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approaching this, is a page by page breakdown of his book.

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And it will be thorough.

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Exhaustive.

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It will be fine tooth comb, go fuck yourself.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That'll be intense.

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So then I was thinking about other things.

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And we obviously do have to double back on some of his

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older documentaries and stuff.

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Sure.

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And so I'm thinking of ways to conceive of those projects,

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possibly a video kind of work.

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Like we have his documentary on, and then I'll pop up.

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That'd be fun.

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Like a little VH1 pop-up video kind of situation.

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All right.

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Yeah, so that is my vision.

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Your raison d'être.

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Yeah.

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And granted, it's not going to change the podcast,

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necessarily, but it's just going to be, this is a focus.

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This is what we're doing.

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And I feel like it's what I can do that is valuable to people

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and valuable to the information space that I want to nurture

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and cultivate.

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And so count on that.

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Good.

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Believe in the shield.

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Or something.

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All right.

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So what's your bright spot?

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My bright spot is far less professional.

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My wife celebrated her birthday.

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Happy birthday.

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We celebrated her birthday.

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We had a great day, did very little actual stuff,

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and then had a great dinner, all fresh stuff,

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cooked it together.

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Fantastic.

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Great, great, great stuff.

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Lovely time.

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Low key.

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We were a little bit, I mean, part of the problem is

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we're a little under the weather.

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Had some sore throat.

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Uh-oh.

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We've all recently had a little bit of weather stuff.

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Yeah.

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Weather here has been insane.

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It has been nuts.

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Yeah.

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It has been nuts.

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It was like 70 and then 40 and then 60 and now it's 50.

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No, and it is like, oh, I'm so shocked we have sinus issues

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whenever we're from Illinois and it's going from 80 to 40

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in an hour and you're like, oh, yeah, that makes sense.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, we're not supposed to live like this.

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Yeah, it was actually kind of fortuitous timing for me,

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us not recording, because I got fairly sick.

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Sure.

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Not COVID.

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Nope.

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Checked out on that.

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Yep.

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But yeah, it was at a point where it actually even

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hurt to talk, kind of.

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Yeah.

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And so, yeah, I'm sorry you all are dealing with that,

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but it happens.

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No, I mean, we had a little bit of that.

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I mean, it is so weird.

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It's not funny, but it is weird to be like, I'm sick,

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but not with COVID.

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Like, do we even still have other diseases?

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Yeah, I mean, it's been such a central focus of health matters

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for so long that it is strange to get sick with something else.

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Yeah, and it is both such a huge relief and then at the same

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time, wait a second, the COVID test is negative and you're

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like, yeah, I don't have COVID.

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And then you're like, wait, I don't know what the fuck I do have.

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Oh, no.

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Good news, bad news.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Also, I had a fun moment when I was sick or after I was sick.

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I don't know if it's right for me to associate necessarily

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the flavored vapes that I've gotten with getting sick,

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but I feel like they make my throat feel bad.

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Yeah.

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I have gotten a couple of this brand, which I will not name

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for the sake of not giving bad press.

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Sure.

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Maybe it's my body.

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Whatever.

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But the last couple of times that I've bought this brand,

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I felt not well afterwards.

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And so I went into the vape shop and previous Bright Spot,

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the guy at the vape shop, was there.

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And I was like, man, I think those flavored ones, they're great,

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they're fun, but I think they make me sick.

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He's like, no, no, no, don't blame the vapes.

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He's like, the weather's been crazy.

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I like that.

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I like that.

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He's not wrong.

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I mean, yeah, but also, come on, man.

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Yeah.

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These are not as regulated as anybody wants them to be.

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No, no.

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Let's face that right out the gate.

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It was so fun that it felt like he had a stake in it.

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Yeah, well, I mean, he runs a vape store.

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Of course he has a stake in it.

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But he doesn't care what one I buy.

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No, that's definitely true.

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But he seemed to care.

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I mean, listen, if one vape is bad, then it brings the whole,

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a rising tide lifts all boats.

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It's a net loss.

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Absolutely.

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Totally.

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So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.

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OK.

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We're going to be talking about Alex's emergency Saturday,

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October 7th show.

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Right.

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And, you know, there's some difficulty, obviously,

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because the emergency is in reference

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to the outbreak of violence in Israel and in the Gaza Strip.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, that's a tough situation

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to talk about just in general.

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Sure.

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And then when you're talking about it

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through the prism of Alex's content,

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it becomes even more so.

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And I don't like this episode.

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Yeah.

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I told you before we started, it's

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one of the most frustrating, infuriating episodes

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I've listened to in a very long time.

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And you'll see why as we go through it.

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But it almost made me throw something.

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Yeah.

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I believe it.

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No, I mean, it is weird because I don't know how to,

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I was trying to get in the mind of the anti-Semites

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and how they would react to this.

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And it's like, I don't know because they hate Jews,

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obviously, anti-Semites.

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Sure.

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And at the same time, though, they

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like right-wing dictatorships.

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And it feels like this is where Israel is going to go, you know?

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So I'm interested to see where we wind up with this.

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In terms of Alex, I think he has far wider weirdness

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than maybe your run-of-the-mill person

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in his extreme right-wing sector.

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Yeah.

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And I think that there are people who,

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and not to say that they're good or bad,

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they're bad, but there are people who have more

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thought-out positions than Alex.

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Yeah, that I believe.

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And those are people that you could expect

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some kind of interesting, I guess, response.

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Yeah.

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In a negative way, interesting.

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Yeah.

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Whereas with Alex, he's so unthoughtful

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that it's...

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Yeah.

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It's got to be all over the place, right?

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And it is to some extent.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But I don't think we're going to get into the events

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as much as people might expect.

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I'm not at all surprised by that.

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And I don't know.

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We'll get down to business on this.

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But first, Jordan, let's take a little moment

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to say hello to some new wonks.

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Oh, that's a great idea.

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So first, the Canadian jurist.

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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Next, Andy in occupied Texas.

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Oh, and fuck you, John Rappaport.

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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Next, Wills pronounced like Willis.

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I'm just related to some lazy Belgians.

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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Oh, the Belgique.

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That's how you say Belgian in French.

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They don't say it like that way.

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They're too lazy.

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Oh.

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They don't end the word anymore.

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You know who's not a lazy Belgian?

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Who?

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Hercule Poirot.

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He's almost too busy.

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His little gray cells are always working.

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Too busy.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Next, I'm a children's librarian, so now Baby Shark haunts me in two different ways.

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The original and the Alex Jones cover.

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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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I didn't realize that Baby Shark was a literary thing.

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I had no idea.

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I thought it was just the song.

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I thought maybe it was a commercial.

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I've never looked into it.

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I've never looked into it either.

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I refuse on principle, I guess, just out of like spite.

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And Dan from Taumaranui, pronounced To-mar-ee-u-noo-ee.

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I was pretty close.

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You were pretty close.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Some of those words that are kind of close to Hawaiian or Polynesian, I think I can handle

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those a little better than others just based on my childhood.

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That's why I was interested.

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That one I was interested in to see how you did because I was reading the phonetic and

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I was like, I think Dan might be able to get this one sight unseen.

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You throw in like Scandinavian words.

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Not going to happen.

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I'm lost.

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You're not a consonant guy.

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You're not a big consonant guy.

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Especially when it's like J's and K's and Z's.

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I don't know what to do.

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And then with the UK, with your pronunciation and stuff.

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Get the fuck out of here.

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Anyway.

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Spell words right.

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We got a technocrat in the mix, George.

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So thank you so much to Racist Tea Cup.

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You are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars, go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark.

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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

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He's a loser little, little kitty baby.

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I don't want to hate black people.

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I renounce Jesus Christ.

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Thank you so much.

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Yes, thank you very much.

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So obviously this is a complicated circumstance in the world.

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Sure.

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And I don't believe that it does anything to sway my belief that Palestinian liberation

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is important and necessary.

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I don't think that killing civilians is a way to go about it.

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It's not complicated.

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I think that Hamas is way out of line and this is atrocious.

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And I think that Israel is also atrocious for what they're doing in response.

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I don't know how else to discuss this or to make a position clear.

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I don't know enough to speak confidently and competently about this, but those are sort

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of my, some broad feelings that I have.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's hard to come up, like I come away with it thusly.

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This benefits only two groups of people, the Netanyahu genociders and the Ayatollah genociders.

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And the people that have nothing to do with it are the ones who are going to die.

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Yes.

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Over and over and over again.

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Yeah.

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So, yeah.

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And that is an unacceptable state of affairs.

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It just really is.

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And that is something that I think a lot of the, not necessarily a lot of the more sort

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of thoughtful analysis, but a lot of the responses that I've seen, particularly on social media,

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lose track of like that, the unacceptable status quo.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I just, I don't have, I don't have a solution.

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I don't have.

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I mean.

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I don't have any deeper insight than other people.

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I saw a couple of points made wrongly and insanely, but that actually have a very important

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kernel of truth in them.

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And that was people being like, oh, this is 9-11.

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Remember where we were on 9-12, that kind of thing.

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Right.

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And I think that is a really, really good way to look at this.

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On 9-12, everybody in the United States was so fucking stupid and so absolutely emotionally

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wrecked that we went for the next 20 years believing a bunch of idiots and committing

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genocide.

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It killed countless civilians unnecessarily, did not achieve any particular goal.

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For no reason.

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Yeah.

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We spent trillions upon trillions of dollars that could have gone towards climate change

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and instead went towards making it worse and killing people.

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Right.

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So, wherever you land on what is happening in the current situation, what blood you want

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or revenge or restorative justice or nothing, whatever you want out of the moment, what

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is going to happen is there's a good chance you're going to allow these monsters to run

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roughshod over the world for the next 20 years.

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It's unfortunate, yeah.

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It's a tragic situation on all fronts.

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Yeah.

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For the people.

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Yeah.

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Who suffer.

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And that is the, I think, the most primary thing.

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Yeah.

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I would say this.

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This is the primary thing to me.

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It is the government of Israel and it is the government of fucking Iran that are fighting

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this.

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And all the people are dying.

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Well, now you're going to get into sounding a little bit like Alex.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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In saying that this was an attack particularly by Iran.

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No, I mean, as far as that goes, I don't know who orchestrated any of this.

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This has nothing to do with plans or was there a false flag or did they know or any of that

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stuff.

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I'm talking about purely from the outcomes.

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You know what I mean?

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There's no outcome that benefits, quote, the people.

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There's no outcome that makes people safer.

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Yes.

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So long as the people in charge are in charge.

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That is true.

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Yeah.

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And there is not like a position that I have that's like Israel needs to stop existing.

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Sure.

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That is absolutely not the position.

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It just can't treat the Palestinians like the way that it has.

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And Palestinians should be free, but that doesn't mean that terrorists should be out

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killing civilians.

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That's not...

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Yeah.

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Not that that's okay.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I find myself least competent in situations like this.

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And so let's get to Alex.

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Let's do it.

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Let's jump to this as he opens the news day.

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Well, the crew was gonna get a day off today, but I called them and they came in and I really

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appreciate them because I woke up at about 5 a.m. this morning and Hezbollah slash Iran

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had launched a massive attack in the south of Israel in the central areas and in the

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north with kamikaze paragliders, with kamikaze drones, with thousands over 5,000 missiles.

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Biggest attack on Israel in decades.

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Now there's a lot of news and a lot of coverage of this.

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In less than 10 hours, we've seen more coverage of what's happening in Israel than what we've

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seen in a year and a half in the exploding war between NATO and Russia in Ukraine.

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Weird.

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That is weird.

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Seems unnecessary to bring that up, but Alex can't help but take some jabs to weave other

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conspiracies into this because that's kind of what he does.

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Yeah.

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Also, I think he meant to say Hamas.

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I was gonna say, it would make more sense for it to be Hamas than Hezbollah, but what

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you gonna do?

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Hezbollah operates out of Lebanon to the north of Israel and they did take credit for firing

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some rockets but they were into disputed territory and not necessarily central to the matter

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of the day.

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Sure, sure, sure, sure.

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As of the time that this episode is being prepared, there are allegations that Iran

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and Hezbollah, who are, you know, Hezbollah is backed by Iran, they helped coordinate

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this attack.

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Sure.

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Some people have said that they haven't seen information confirming these claims and it

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is not established.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You may wanna say that it's possible, but for Alex to lead his coverage like this is

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very inaccurate and irresponsible.

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Yeah, 100%.

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But that's what he's about.

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That's what he does.

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That's what he does.

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Yeah.

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So you were, you accurately, I think, smelled some of what this, some of the conversation

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might be in terms of false flags.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And stuff.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So here's where Alex is at.

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Okay.

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Before I drill through all what's currently happening, let's get the big takeaways here.

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First off, and I'm not attacking Israel here, but I'm stating a fact, there is no way that

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Shin Bet and the Mossad did not know that Iran, who's running this, was gearing up for

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this.

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This is a massive attack with tens of thousands of malicious soldiers, over 5,000 missiles

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and growing, hundreds of men's on paragliders coming in, groups in motorcycles and bulldozers

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smashing through barbed wire and walls.

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This is massive.

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And of course they struck during the Sabbath on Saturday when they would have lower levels

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of security forces.

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But if you don't think that that border between Gaza Strip and Israel isn't the most militarized

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on the planet, you're not informed.

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So I'm not saying that isn't a real Hezbollah attack.

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I'm not saying Iran isn't behind it.

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Of course they are.

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Wait.

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I think it's a terrible situation.

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Wait, wait, wait, wait.

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That's the kind of control.

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But the big takeaway here is they're calling it the biggest intelligence failure in Israeli

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history.

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Just like 9-11, the biggest intelligence failure in U.S. history.

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But they had nothing but thousands of warnings and knew the exact specifics.

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And there were stand downs taken.

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This will definitely help Benjamin Netanyahu, who was about to be ousted from power.

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So you can say that this plays into Netanyahu's sort of mode of operation, but at the same

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time you're seeing in much of the Israeli press disapproval with Netanyahu.

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And so maybe it doesn't play into his overall thing.

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That being said, Alex is just making up that this is a stand down.

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It's like his version of what happened on 9-11, that Mossad and Chen Bet let this happen.

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That's what he's angling at.

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Right.

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Well, I think what I've been thinking about that is that it is such an interesting question

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to me, not because did they know, blah, blah, blah.

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What matters is that it did happen.

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So you have two options now.

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You have either they had information, you've got more than two options.

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They had information and they deliberately ignored it to see, to achieve the outcome

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that they desired.

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They had information but couldn't understand it or couldn't parse it in such a way that

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made it useful.

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Or they didn't have information.

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Or a third option.

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I mean, that was the third option.

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Fourth option then.

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But a lot of what I've been seeing is that there were warnings that came in that were

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general in a sense.

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And Netanyahu's government was too focused on issues in the West Bank, where there had

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been outbreaks of violence, that a lot of the attention was there.

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Additionally, a lot of attention was being put on this judicial reform that Netanyahu

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was trying to pass.

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And they underestimated what could be organized within Gaza.

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Right.

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And that is a completely plausible explanation for an intelligence failure.

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True.

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You don't need to say they let this happen just based on it being unlikely.

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Right.

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Now, the thing about any of those outcomes though.

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Right.

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The thing about any of those answers is that they do all continue to point back to it is

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a complete waste of money.

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And so either, it's almost like I would rather, and I kind of understand, I would almost rather

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it be a false flag, because then at least I know that the intelligence operatives have

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a use and are competent.

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And the way it is so far, every opportunity I've seen for the intelligence community to

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do something useful, they have fucked up so hard, but every time they've had the opportunity

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to fuck people over, they've done a great job of doing that.

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So what is the money going to?

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And that's kind of the situation that you wind up in.

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And I guess the system would say that that's a function of the when things go bad, it's

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very publicized.

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It's so funny how the system- And when things don't go bad, it doesn't

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get any press.

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Oh, that's crazy how the system justifies itself.

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Right.

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So that would be the argument, I guess, that would come there.

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Sure.

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But yeah, I think what you're putting your finger on is one of the reasons that those

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false flag type conspiracies are very comforting to people is because they retain the image

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of absolute competence in things like the intelligence organizations that could keep

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us safe.

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Yeah.

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I mean, ultimately you have to keep coming back to, I keep coming back to, as far as

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all of the intelligence agencies are concerned, when it comes to what they are sold to me

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as doing, which is protecting us by gathering information and then stopping things before

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they happen.

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That sales pitch is the exact opposite from what they do, which is not any of that.

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And they choose information to fuck people over with.

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I mean, it's tough to argue with that.

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I'm sure there's some other things, but anyway, the point is that Alex, that's his editorial

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line that he's taking is that this was allowed to happen in order to bring in new world order

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stuff or something.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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And also Biden's to blame.

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Interesting.

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There's a lot of moving parts here, but let's pull back from those.

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Those are big, but they're still penultimate, meaning not the number one issue.

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The number one issue is Biden gave $6 billion last month of frozen assets to Iran.

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President Trump predicted, and I have his predictions right here, that within a few

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months Iran would attack Israel.

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We got footage in Tehran that's on screen where they were celebrating.

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In exchange for the release of wrongly detained Americans, Biden did unfreeze $6 billion that

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belonged to Iran.

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This was money that was stuck in a South Korean bank and represented proceeds from the sale

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of Iranian oil.

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I've seen a lot of people saying it's taxpayer money and stuff like that.

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It's just nonsense.

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Yeah, whatever.

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Part of the arrangement was that Iran could only use this unfrozen asset, this amount,

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for quote, things like food, medicine, medical equipment, and the like, according to Secretary

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of State Anthony Blinken.

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And the unfreezing, the account is also wholly regulated by the US Treasury Department.

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So funds couldn't be dispensed to support groups like Hamas or Hezbollah.

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Now at the same time, people like Alex would say, yeah, other funds are then diverted to

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support these groups, and then this money makes up the shortfall.

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And then I guess the argument is just don't let anybody have any money.

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Ever.

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I don't know.

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I'm for disbanding any and all governments, so I suppose that's my position.

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Oh boy.

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Yeah.

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Also, Alex doesn't know what penultimate means.

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Nope.

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And you could dispute the wisdom of negotiating for hostages or if unfreezing these funds

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was the appropriate thing to do, but it's an incredible reach to make a connection between

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this act and the recent attack.

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Yeah.

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I think that is appropriate, and Alex just needs a way to blame Biden.

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Yeah.

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I mean, that's weak tea.

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That's weak tea.

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You're not going to get me to Biden negotiated a hostage release solely in order to give

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Iran enough money to finance an attack on Israel.

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That's not going to happen.

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Nope.

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You're not going to sell me on that one.

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So bare minimum.

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Bare minimum.

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There's a conspiracy going on.

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Well, obviously.

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Bare minimum.

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The Israeli military and Mossad knew that a big buildup was coming and they may not

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have known the exact moment, but there's no way to have tens of thousands of people that

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participated in this.

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Tens of thousands on the Arab side, on the Muslim side, on the Palestinian side, on the

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Iranian side, on the side of the occupied areas or unoccupied or those different zones

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with the expanding Jewish settlements going into them.

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So no one can debate that Benjamin Netanyahu was given briefings in the last week that

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an imminent attack, a massive attack was coming.

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They've got Arab spies all over the Gaza Strip to the south and the Golan Heights to the

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north and all the rest of it.

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You can't swing a stick in the dark and not hit an Israeli asset, okay?

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So the fact that the Israelis didn't know this was coming is balderdash.

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Balderdash.

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Balderdash.

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So, I mean, Alex can say whatever he wants about the human spy potential, but from other

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things that I've been reading, you know, folks, particularly even folks within the Israeli

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government, they've talked about how there's been an overreliance on surveillance capabilities,

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particularly in the Gaza area.

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Israel relied heavily on technological superiority and from comments that I've heard, Hamas just

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used that against them by issuing things like technology when they were planning meetings

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and stuff.

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Oh, yeah, they put their phones in the goddamn fridge, yeah.

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From what I can tell and things that I've read, it is not a situation where there are

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spies around every corner, and in fact, the human intelligence aspect of, you know, Israeli

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penetration into Gaza is fairly limited compared to what they've relied on in terms of drones

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and...

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If your enemy's digital, fight analog.

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Basically, yes.

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And so, I don't know, I think that Alex is also superimposing talking points about 9-11

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onto this.

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Like, it's certain that Netanyahu had a brief imminent attack, that's just using the language

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of 9-11 stuff and Bush, and I don't think that Alex can back this up.

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That is the thing that should give all of us the most pause.

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Any time somebody starts throwing 9-11 rhetoric around, everyone should stop, be like, somebody's

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fucking up here, we need to slow it down, cool it down, nobody can talk like this ever

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again.

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Or, at the very least, if you're using 9-11 rhetoric and such, let's make sure that your

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thoughts aren't drifting into the solutions that were used after 9-11.

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At least show some indication that you learned some lessons from the post-9-11 period.

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Which I despair of ever seeing.

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So Alex has a prediction of what's gonna happen, and, I mean, obviously in the days since we've

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seen, you know, turning off the electricity in Gaza and atrocities against civilians,

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and that's all very horrible, and Alex's version of it is a little bit less grounded.

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Now let's talk big picture.

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The minute I woke up this morning and saw this, I thought, wow, Iran is trying to draw

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Israel into a full war.

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They think they're ready.

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And sure enough, later, the mullahs were like, we want a full war with Israel, we're ready.

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Why are they ready?

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I was told by high-level individuals over a decade ago that Iran already has atomic

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bombs.

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And that's one reason Israel and the U.S. haven't moved against them.

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It's all, we gotta stop them from getting a bomb.

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You know, technically, fact-checkers say, Jones is wrong, Iran doesn't have a bomb.

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I saw a guy on Joe Rogan last month attacking me, saying, Jones says a lot of stuff is true,

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but I heard him say a decade ago that Iran has atomic bombs.

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Well, buddy, you don't know people flying around in the airplanes and that have access

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to the satellites like I do, who told me they have the signature scanners, particle scanners

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that tell them that they've got atomic bombs.

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OK?

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And so we'll just see who's right in the end.

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But the point is, to all the fools that don't think Iran has nuclear weapons, no one knew

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India had them for a long time.

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No one knew Pakistan had them for a long time, decades ago, and it turned out they'd had

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them for decades.

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And you don't think it's only Americans in the 1940s that can make an atomic bomb.

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They got smart people.

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Were there aliens?

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The Persians are smart.

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The Indians are smart.

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The Chinese are smart.

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The Pakistanis are smart.

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They got some of the best mathematicians, OK?

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So we kind of get arrogant here in the West and think brown people can't come up with

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weapons and that's horse crap, OK?

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That's not an arrogance of the West.

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That's a thought of racists that I think Alex is explaining that us racists sometimes minimize

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what we think brown people are capable of doing intellectually and we should maybe not

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think that way.

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Let's hold on to our racism but realize that that's fucked up.

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That is, I mean, you know, if you get to this place where you say our greatest weakness

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as racists is the inevitability of underestimating our theoretical quote enemy, right, by the

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very nature of what we believe.

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Yes, our beliefs are inaccurate when it comes to the people we are looking down upon.

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You should at the very least be able to go, hmm, maybe, and then from there.

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It certainly calls into question first assumptions.

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You think, yep, you think.

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So Iran apparently has nukes, which is contestable, certainly.

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And Alex says there's a certainty that everybody has nukes.

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Here's the bigger takeaway.

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We are officially told that Israel doesn't have nuclear weapons.

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They've had nuclear weapons since 1964 at least.

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They've got thousands of them and they've got submarines and they've got fighter bombers

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and they've got cruise missiles and they've got thousands of nuclear warheads.

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Israel is arguably the fifth largest nuclear power in the world.

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So let's just get that straight too.

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And we can have somebody go on Joe Rogan and say Alex Jones doesn't know what he's talking

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about.

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Israel doesn't have nuclear weapons.

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Yes, they do.

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Let me tell you something else, Saudi Arabia has nuclear weapons.

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They've had them for at least 30 years.

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All right.

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So many people believe that Israel does possess nuclear weapons, although the specifics around

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the matter and their program aren't known.

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So Alex is in fairly safe territory asserting a belief that Israel has nukes.

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I don't think people would really be like that.

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Like the official position that a lot of folks, especially higher ups have is that like it's

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pretty likely, but Israel doesn't, they won't confirm or deny the existence of nukes in

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their arsenal.

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Who cares?

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But Saudi Arabia is another matter.

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That's a very hotly contested claim that Alex is making.

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They do not have nukes by all estimates that I've been able to find.

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I mean, what I find interesting about it is that the more I think about it, the more it

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is a complete waste of time and money just to even have nukes or talk about them.

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Because the only outcome is either everyone dies quickly or everyone dies slowly.

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Using any of them is pointless, you know?

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So it's like, fine, you can have them, that's great, but it doesn't make any sense.

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It's only useful, I guess, if you want to be a completely rogue nation and not get attacked.

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Yeah, that's about as good as it gets for you.

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That seems to be what it's used for now, is like once you get to that point, people can't

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fuck with you.

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Yeah, and I mean, there is a part of me that says the only thing that's smart to do with

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nuclear weapons is to give every single nation one nuclear weapon as a memorial to how fucking

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stupid we all are.

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I would say that's a bad idea.

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You know?

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I mean, it is a bad idea, but it's a bad idea for anybody to have them.

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And it's a worse idea for the United States and Russia to have them just because we're

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the only people who've almost already destroyed the entire globe multiple times.

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Shown to be slightly irresponsible with them.

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Yeah, I'm not worried about people killing everybody on purpose, I'm worried about idiots

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killing people on accident.

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You know what I was surprised by?

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What?

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I was looking over the countries that have nukes.

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Yeah?

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France is on that list.

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Yeah, of course France has nukes.

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Weird.

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Why?

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Everybody that fought World War II got nukes afterwards.

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Not everybody.

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No, that's fair.

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That's fair.

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Not everybody.

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That's true.

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So I think the point here, well, one side point is that Alex is really upset about somebody

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talking shit about him on Rogan.

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Yeah, that is really specific.

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Seems to be bringing that up a bit.

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But the other point is that Alex is wanting to really exacerbate tensions in the audience.

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If they were feeling worried about what they saw in the news, this is tailor made to make

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them even more worried.

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Now apparently about how every country has nukes and they're about to fly, this is kind

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of an irresponsible escalation of tensions and fear, and that's kind of what Alex does.

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That's how he makes money.

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Yeah, it is.

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I keep going back to there's no point in planning for nuclear war, we're all dead.

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There's no big deal.

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In fact, I almost prefer it.

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I think that's not necessarily true.

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We're not all dead immediately.

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Right away.

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Right.

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I mean, but everybody wastes away is you might as well be dead.

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You could find ways to thrive while you're wasting away.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I agree with you slightly.

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Here's where I would agree with you.

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Preparing for that happening, like a nuclear war launching off, is kind of tough and maybe

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not worth your time because if we get to that point, everything you could have prepared

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for is now unpredictable.

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And I don't know how much you can prepare.

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Three bottles of wine and a bottle of sleeping pills is what you prepare for a nuclear war.

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Jesus.

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Yeah.

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You're in a dark mood.

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You smile like the Joker.

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No, I'm just saying that it's such a silly thing to be afraid or prepare for.

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It's all over at that point.

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It's like the rapture.

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I'm not going to prepare for the rapture because we all know it's post-trib, first off.

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Oh boy.

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Oh boy.

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Wait, no, Alex likes that.

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This is right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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He likes that one.

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Yeah.

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So Alex talks some more about the day's attack and I think he catches himself a little.

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Over 5,000 missiles and counting, that number's a couple of hours old.

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They say more are raining down right now and some of them are larger than the past ones.

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It's killed a whole bunch of people, cars, buildings, you name it, are on fire.

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But that was the artillery distraction for the overrunning of much of Southern Israel

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by forces of the militia of Iran known as Hezbollah, Hamas, I know there's two different

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groups.

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I feel like you're telling yourself that.

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Hezbollah and Hamas.

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The point is, is that this is all very, very, very upsetting and disgusting.

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And guys, pull up the definition of Hezbollah for me printed up and the definition of Hamas.

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One's the Sunnis, one's the Shiites.

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And sometimes I flip names around and things like that, but Hezbollah works for Iran.

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Hamas is the Sunni backed one.

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And that's what I'm saying.

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And I'm sticking to that, even though people are popping in my ear telling me the opposite.

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What is happening?

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I would say based on this, I wouldn't trust Alex to be the person I'm taking emergency

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breaking news from.

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And I include myself in that category too.

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I don't have some kind of an assessment and a way to break this news down in a way that's

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more valuable to you than some other source that has a lot more information, a lot more

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experience in that area of the world.

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Hands on nature with that.

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Yeah, totally.

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I think I would be a bad person to get breaking news from.

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And Alex is also very bad.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I think it is this show.

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This is focused on a thing.

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This is where you get news about the thing.

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You know, it's the best place to get news about the thing.

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I can talk about Alex quite a bit.

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Other stuff.

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There are other people who do that thing.

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Go to them and they've got a thing for that thing.

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And I will say that Alex is not the person to go to for that thing in any situation,

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especially when he's muttering to himself weirdly about wanting somebody to pull up

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the definition of Hamas and Hezbollah.

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I know the difference between Hamas and Hezbollah is not what I want to hear from somebody explaining

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to me the difference, despite people telling me differently in my ear, despite God himself

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speaking into my ear right now saying I am wrong.

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I insist that I am correct.

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So now Alex is incorrect some more.

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And Iran is celebrating it.

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And Iran is basically taking credit for it.

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And so regardless of what you think of Iran, whether you like him, hate him or indifferent,

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I'm new to what I want to stop World War Three.

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And we have Iran helping Russia with drones and all the rest of it.

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So you can see how this war is expanding with this coalition of Russia, Iran, China and

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now North Korea.

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And then financially, you've got Brazil and India and the BRICS nations teamed up with

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China and Russia.

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And so the U.S. policies.

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The U.S. policies that are taking place here.

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Of giving six billion dollars to Iran last month is definitely part of this.

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I don't know.

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So Iran didn't take responsibility for the attack.

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That would be absurd for them to do that, period.

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That would be essentially starting a Middle East war.

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I mean, I guess Alex said they basically took responsibility, which is a pretty heavy word.

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Or it's a word that's carrying a lot of weight.

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Also Alex in that clip is accidentally bringing up something that he would have a hard time

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rationalizing to his audience.

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I thought Russia and Putin were waging the good fight against the new world order.

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But here they're aligned with and helping Iran, the country that's so horrible by Alex's

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estimate.

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How does that square up?

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Like they're working with China and Iran, like all of these villain countries for Alex.

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Yeah, but I mean, we're also working with Iran after the six billion dollars in aid

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thing.

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Like what does any of this mean?

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Well, sure, but there is a difference between trying to get relations on a more solid footing

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as a way to possibly get more progress in the future towards shared interests.

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There's a difference between that and the very real military alliance between Russia

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and Iran.

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Yeah, yeah.

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A little different.

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Slightly different.

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And Alex just mutters these country names and doesn't...

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Yada, yada, yada.

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Shouldn't his audience have real concerns about this?

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They should have real concerns about a lot more shit than they do.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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So Alex is wrong some more.

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Oh yeah.

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But you notice what I'm saying is, is the Israelis are saying Iran is behind this, not

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even so much Hamas.

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And yes, obviously Hamas is a big part of the whole thing.

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What I'm saying is when it comes to attacking Israel, the Shiites and the Sunnis end up

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joining forces.

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So yes, technically you can say both ways.

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Oh, for God's sakes.

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Hamas...

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Even when I'm wrong, I'm right.

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Is the Islamic resistance movement, Palestine, Sunni Islamic fundamentalists, militant and

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nationalist organization as a social service wing, Dawa, and is a military wing.

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Then you've got Hezbollah.

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We got the wikis up.

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Which is Lebanese, Shia, Islamist political party and militant group.

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And again, that's backed by Iran.

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You probably weren't joking, but he is just reading the Wikipedia pages.

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I wasn't joking.

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Yeah.

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He 100% was reading the Wikipedia pages.

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He was.

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Yeah.

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And also from the things that I've been able to find, the Israeli government is also not

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blaming Iran.

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Right.

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Like they are also on the same page as the United States with the, we have not seen information

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that confirms this.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean...

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But Alex is saying that they're saying it was, like it's, he's just off.

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It would be a bad idea if, if, if I was running things, I wouldn't be like, Hey, now's the

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time to do this.

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If I were a rant, I'd be, I'd wait like six months at least.

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Well, here's the reality of the situation in terms of this blame stuff.

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Sure.

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Alex is just like Trump blamed Iran.

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So that's what Alex is doing.

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Oh, that makes sense.

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Here's Jack Passobic tweeting one month ago, Trump predicted the 6 billion that Biden gave

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Iran would be used for terror attacks across the Middle East and specifically kidnapping.

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This is exactly what we're seeing in Israel this morning.

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And here's Trump.

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Can you believe the crooked Joe Biden is giving 6 billion for the terrorist regime in Iran?

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That money would be used for terrorism all the Middle East and indeed the world.

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This incompetent fool is absolutely destroying America.

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He had the capacity, I mean the audacity to announce this terrible deal today, September

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11th to pay for hostages will lead to kidnapping, ransom and blackmail against Americans across

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the globe.

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I freed many dozens of people from various unfriendly countries and never paid a dime.

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And we've got new statements by Trump.

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They're up on info wars dot com where he is blaming Iran.

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And I think that's the main culprit with the actual funding, though they're working with

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the Shiites.

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We'll pull this up.

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It's on info wars dot com.

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Perhaps you guys can grant me the story.

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But here it is.

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Trump blast Biden for Hamas attack on Israel.

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American taxpayer funded dollars helped these attacks.

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The taxpayer funded dollars is not correct.

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And the like the issue that you run into with this and one of the things that I find particularly

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offensive about it is that I mean, the issue of what's happening in Gaza is a very serious

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issue that requires people paying attention, people caring.

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And Alex is turning this into a petty political thing.

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This is Trump trying to score points on Biden.

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And Alex, a lot of his coverage is in service of furthering that goal for Trump.

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And I find that to be pretty offensive and distasteful.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, 100 percent.

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I also find it like.

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Why is it totally accepted reasoning for so many people to think, like entrusting violent

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children in the hands of a psychopath is the best way to keep us all safe?

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You know, Trump, I mean, I mean, it is like, how is it possible that people believe that

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Trump being in control of a military is going to keep you more safe?

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Well, the only the only way that you could even make that argument, and I think that

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some people tried to do this with the last time.

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Sure.

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Was that the crazy man theory.

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Exactly.

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You never know what he's going to do.

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So you don't want to do anything.

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So chaotic.

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Sure.

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Like.

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Yeah.

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I think that that's bad.

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Yeah.

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That makes sense.

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That's the only way that you could even make a coherent argument that it's a better set

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of affairs.

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Right.

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But yeah, I just I don't know, I don't like the minimization of other people's real life,

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their real oppression, their real death, both Israeli civilians and Palestinian civilians.

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Like I don't think that it's right to take that and use it to power your fuck you, Biden.

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Why did you do this deal?

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Your deal is what's really behind this.

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It's it's it's degrading.

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Yeah.

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And it is turning.

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It's it's.

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There is a story, there's a narrative with characters and everything else, everyone who's

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not a character in that narrative is disposable and useless and pointless and is just there

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as set decoration.

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You know, like until it's time to do something else and then they revert back and yeah, the

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agency of a human being is stolen in service of a narrative ironic for people who are so

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into individualism and what have you.

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Strange.

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So Alex reads a little bit about this six billion dollars that was unfrozen and I think

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he accidentally reads the part where there are restrictions and, you know, what are you

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going to do?

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Not good.

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Former President Trump said today he blamed Joe Biden for the Palestinian terror group

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Samas, the president of Israel, citing his administration's unfreezing of billions of

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funds to Iran last month.

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He's a mass attacks are a disgrace and Israel has every right to defend itself with overwhelming

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force.

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A quote on Truth Social, sadly, American taxpayer dollars help fund these attacks with many

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reports are saying came from the Biden administration.

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We brought so much peace in the Middle East throughout.

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I'm sorry.

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Only to see Biden whittled away at a far more rapid pace than anyone thought possible.

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Here we go again.

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On September 8th, Secretary Blinken undertook the procedural step of ongoing process to

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ensure Iranian funds can move from the restricted account to another and remain restricted to

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humiliate to humanitarian aid.

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National Security Council spokesman Andrea Watson said in a statement, as we have said

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from the outset, what is being pursued here is an arrangement where we secure the release

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of five wrongfully held Americans.

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This remains a sensitive ongoing process.

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So again, Trump is saying that the money came from Iran.

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Obviously he's got a lot of good sources.

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So I just instinctively know that Iran is normally the one that's able to launch or

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fund attacks of this size.

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And Hamas has not been able to.

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But Hamas is taking the main credit.

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That way, then just the Gaza Strip gets bombed and there's not a larger war with Iran.

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But I think Israel is going to blame Iran.

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And I think Israel is going to at least bomb Iran and maybe go to full war with Iran.

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Interesting prediction.

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That's a bad prediction.

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Well, sure.

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No, no, no.

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I don't necessarily mean it's right or wrong.

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I mean, that is a bad thing to occur.

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It is.

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It is.

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And I think, you know, as we're recording this, it feels unlikely.

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Let's hope.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, I think that Alex is just off.

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He's off about so many things.

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And I think that there is an acceptability of suggesting that you believe that Iranian

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funding may have contributed or something.

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You know, you can have a suspicion.

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But the way that Alex is talking about such certainty, it's not a healthy way to engage

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with current events, I don't think.

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Yeah.

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But there's no way for you to build a conspiracy out of an apartheid state will inevitably

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create a terrorist organization that tries to take down the apartheid state, only reinforcing

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the power of the apartheid state.

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Like that is simply how it goes.

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You know, that's the cycle of the apartheid state.

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That's not a conspiracy.

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That's just that's not like Netanyahu knew this was coming so much as it is by virtue

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of creating a government that does this, you create this thing, also a force of opposition

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to that government.

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And that's just how it works.

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You know, it's just how it's always gone.

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We create the terrorists that just tried to destroy us.

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Well, sure, I think you could you can you can point to that cycle.

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But Alex doesn't think it was Hamas.

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Of course.

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He thinks it was Hezbollah.

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Yeah, that sounds right.

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So again, this is tomorrow's news today.

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We'll see if I'm right.

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mainstream media is telling us it's basically all Hamas.

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I'm saying it's it's mainly Hezbollah.

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But we will see.

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I mean, is it Hamas helping the Russians just saying, I'm just saying it says they don't

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have the capacity.

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And that's what I wanted to get to next.

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What I know for a fact is incontrovertible.

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Iran has smuggled in and infiltrated this country.

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They report thousands of months coming across the Texas border, military age men from Iran

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and from other Shiite countries.

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And they are very serious fighters and they are willing to die in suicide missions.

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And if we ever do go to full bore war with Iran, they're going to activate those groups

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to do very similar things.

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What you just saw done to Israel.

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And that's going to be terrible for those that get killed or the power grid that gets

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attacked.

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You know, Iran's been looking at that.

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But what I'm really worried about is how our liberties and freedoms will be taken, because

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there's a, quote, Muslim threat on 9-11.

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So we then lose all our rights on the Patriot Act, whose main mission is Trump supporters

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and the American people today.

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That's official now.

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So this is the this is the real thing that Alex is is on.

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Yeah.

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It was less than a week ago that we were doing an episode about Alex insisting that Biden

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was letting in military aged men at the southern border because they were trying to purge the

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military and create an all immigrant policing force.

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Now apparently the military aged men threat you need to be scared about is the Hezbollah

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fighters who have come in and are comprising sleeper cells in the United States.

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When they activate, they'll be used to take away the freedom of American people and demonize

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Trump supporters.

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Yeah.

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If you listen to Alex's show, you should realize the way these touch points are constantly

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recontextualized to make you fear different things, depending on what Alex needs to get

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through the day's news.

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He wants you scared of military aged men coming over the border, but that fear can be exploited

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for so many different narratives.

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It's not important that what he's saying be true or that it even makes sense.

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All that matters is that it's effective in scaring the audience.

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Think about this.

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The way that you take the military aged men coming over the border and use it two wholly

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different ways within the span of like a week and a half.

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And then look at the other detail, the attack on the power grid.

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Alex has constantly said that the globalists are going to do that to blame Russia.

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But now apparently Iran has already been playing and looking at it.

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We know that's been proven, right?

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They've been looking at it, right?

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You take these, these concrete things that you've built up anxiety and fear around and

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then apply them to whatever you need in order for it.

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And then you pretend that you didn't do it around this in the past.

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And it can't be understated that this is red scare.

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You know, this is like, Hey, the reds have put in sleeper cells here.

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They could be anywhere.

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I mean, it does seem weird that we're only attacking civil rights and Jewish people.

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And this has been done constantly with the sleeper cell fears and stuff.

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We've seen this over the course of the time that we've been doing the podcast, we've seen

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repeated instances of this trying to drum up fears, whether it be you know, people coming

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in over the border, that's been used a number of times.

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Sure.

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Antifa, that's been used a number of times.

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Black lives matter for sure.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Um, this, this has constantly been something that has been used to evoke fear of the unknown

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fear of the, the people who are unlike you and, and, and such, and it's, um, it's what

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this was bound to get to in terms of this coverage, this is where it was meant to go

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because unfortunately I don't think Alex's audience cares much about the plight of the

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Palestinian people.

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Yeah, totally.

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I don't think that what's going on in Israel and Gaza is really that resonant to a lot

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of Alex's audience from an emotional standpoint.

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Clearly.

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You can have fear of geopolitics in an abstract sense, but bringing it home to where they

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need to now be scared of Hezbollah fighters, uh, when they're trying to go to the grocery

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store.

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Yeah.

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That is what is impactful in terms of keeping the audience in that fear state.

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Yeah.

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And in this case, with this type of conflict in the, in the, and I mean, it's hard for,

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it's hard for people to understand this if they're not in it.

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Right.

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But you take a conflict like Russia and Ukraine and you can make a good guy and a bad guy

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out of it.

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Right.

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But any conflict in Israel for the, for the religious right is end time shit.

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Right.

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So you can't make a good or bad guy out of there.

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You either have to say this is the end times or it's not the end times.

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And you've got to roll with it.

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You're right.

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And if you're talking about it through the prism of that, that end time stuff, there

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is an inevitability.

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Yeah, exactly.

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To do stuff.

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And that's, that's when we get from you can be afraid of shit to now we know what the

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steps are going to be.

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You can't frighten me with what might happen.

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I got the fucking book of revelations open.

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You said end times, buddy.

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Here we are.

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Yeah.

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So yeah.

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So one thing I want to drive into like real sharp focus for you is that at the beginning

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of this show, Alex said he woke up at five in the morning and there was this, this news.

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And so he called in the staff, they were going to have the day off.

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So he called them in to do this emergency report.

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Yeah.

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This is going to be important as we move forward.

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Oh God.

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Just keep that in mind.

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Oh God.

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Cause here's the first clip where things felt a little weird.

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I didn't know what was going on here.

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All right.

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And I don't care whether it's the Israeli leadership or the German leadership or the

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UK leadership or the Canadian leadership or the U S leadership or any of it.

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At the top, they're eugenicists, globalist, transhumanists that think we're all a bunch

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of animals.

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You've all know Harari's Jewish.

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He's the main spokesman for the world economic forum.

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We're talking about him in a moment with an expert and his quotes go read him as the human

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error is over.

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Humans will be extinct soon.

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Uh, AI will be God and rule you.

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Well, Hitler just said that the future's not these groups.

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That was bad enough.

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This guy's up there saying the future's not human.

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Hitler just say the end of the human era is here and that word will be extinct by 2050.

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Well, that sounds as bad a Hitler as it gets, but he's a chicken neck gay Jewish guy.

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So it's like, well, he's a chicken neck, you know, Jewish guy.

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So he's nonthreatening, you know, like, like, like, uh, Tim Cook runs giant slave camps,

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the worst in China using Uyghur slaves, but he's gay and he wears a turtleneck and has

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a little neck.

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It's like, well, he's nonthreatening and talks with a list.

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Oh, Sergey Brin and, and, and, and all these guys, Larry Page, they're like nerds.

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So they're nonthreatening.

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They know that folks and they're, you want to compare them to Hitler.

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They say the future's not human.

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Hitler just said the future's Aryan and he's going to take over and kill everybody else.

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And that's terrible.

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But you see all the other racial groups act.

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Every other group has their supremacist.

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Every other group organizes says we're the best.

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We're the Kings.

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We're the chosen people.

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Everybody does that except Christians that unify everybody under Christ and the big tent.

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That's one big reason to be a Christian.

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What is happening?

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I mean, this is nonsense.

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Wow.

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I don't even know why this happened.

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This like, why did this branching path happen?

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It seems very bizarre to jump into a rant about Yuval Noah Harari doesn't seem relevant.

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Yeah.

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He's like, first of all, not the main spokesperson for the world economic forum.

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Why not?

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He's just spoken there a few times.

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That's fine.

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Yeah.

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Whatever.

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Main spokesman been there.

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Same difference.

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So I was trying to think of like, what is the issue here?

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Like, and I mean, obviously Harari is a Jewish person, but also he's an Israeli citizen.

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He lives in Tel Aviv, but he's not part of the government and he doesn't have any real

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attachment to power, a real connection to power.

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So this is ridiculous.

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We're in the middle of this emergency special report about presumably about the attack on

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Israel.

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And Alex has decided to take time to interview an expert about Yuval Noah Harari.

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Why?

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What is the sense of this?

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Well, because there's news about Israel.

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So people have got it, we got to talk about, uh, at the very least Jewishness.

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Well, see, that's what I was worried about.

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Kind of going to veer into like deeply antisemitic territory.

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It's different, but it's dead.

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I think what's more important here is that Alex is on some anti-gay shit.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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Is that how it goes forward?

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Cause that's where I feel like this is going because he did seem to be particularly really

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fucking weird.

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Yeah.

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He hit that pretty hard.

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Yeah.

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And then he got rid of it and then it hit it again.

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Yeah.

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Well, here's wild.

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Here's the thing.

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Yeah.

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No, it's not about any of this.

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Okay.

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But it is a foreshadowing of why this is the most frustrating fucking episode I've listened

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to in a very long time.

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Yeah.

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Um, but before we figure out why, uh, Alex has a position that he evokes about the conflict

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and it on the surface appears to have some decent points in it.

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Okay.

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Trump is blaming Iran.

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Israel's blaming Iran.

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Hamas is the main group that runs the government in the Gaza strip.

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There's millions of people there in the Gaza strip.

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Uh, it is a hell hole.

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Uh, they routinely get bombed by the Israelis.

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They bomb the Israelis back to 75 year war.

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It's terrible.

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It needs to be fixed.

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Uh, but this is definitely not going to fix it and taking hostages and targeting civilians

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is not good, but let's just be honest and I'm not endorsing what they did.

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I'm not endorsing the Israelis dropping thousand and 2000 pound bombs on apartment buildings

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and killing women and children in mass.

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So if you want to call Hamas or Hezbollah terrorist, and I think targeting civilians

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is terrible, well then what, what, what is Israel doing?

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What is Obama doing?

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He's going to blow up a whole Arab Muslim wedding and kill a hundred something people

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and say, well, we killed the one guy we wanted.

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So it's collateral damage.

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So before we criticize Hamas or Hezbollah, we have to criticize our own government.

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We have to criticize the Israeli government and I get war.

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Look, my dad's dad flew over, you know, Italian cities.

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That was mainly in his missions out of North Africa bombing what they thought were German

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targets, but they killed a lot of Italians folks.

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Let's get that straight.

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So I mean, I'm not here judging anybody in these wars.

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These are wars, a terrible thing.

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So he did some things into Germany too, but only a few missions.

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So my grandfather flew around dropping bombs on German cities, okay, and on Italian cities,

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mainly on the West coast when the U S invasion went in there, his air cover and my other

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grandfather didn't do many missions till his plane broke and he crash landed and almost

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got killed.

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He was lucky.

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They only did a few missions, but the point is, is, is that he was a fighter pilot going

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into, but, but the point is, is that, is that that's where we are, ladies and gentlemen.

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So I don't judge Jerry Jones, my grandfather under orders, dropping 500 pound bombs on

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German houses.

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But I'm just saying, don't call Hezbollah and them running into people's houses and

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shooting men, women and children terrorists, unless you're going to call what everybody

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else is doing.

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And I'm not defending any of it.

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I think it's terrible.

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The Russians are shelling and the, and the, and the, and the Ukrainians are shelling and

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they're just indiscriminately.

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But that's what war is.

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And that's why Sean Penn and the left and all of them are wrong.

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We want to end war.

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We want to stop war.

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We want this to not go on anymore.

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This is not good.

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And it's getting out of control and it dehumanizes us.

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So that's shocking kind of to hear on this show, I think from Alex, uh, cause he's saying

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stuff that has a kernel of a good perspective in it.

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I suppose there, there is, there is an element he's saying that if you're going to cast dispersions

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at groups like Hamas, you have to also realize the reality of what the conditions that Palestinians

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are living under due to the Israeli government.

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Sure.

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That is a position you would not expect to hear from Alex.

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I wasn't.

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Right.

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The thing that you have to understand is that this is all talk and you can tell by the way

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he tries to connect things to the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

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Alex will say many decent sounding things about opposing war and how both sides in a

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conflict will act in ways that are bad for the average civilian.

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And you can agree with that, but if you pay attention, he has a habit of siding with the

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group that did the invading or the side that has a disproportionate amount of power.

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He speaks seemingly sensibly about wanting to see an end to war, but the conditions that

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are required for that war to end in his estimation, usually involve a capitulation of one side.

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The Ukraine war needs to end.

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And the way that it ends is they stop fighting back against Putin's invasion.

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End and become subservient to the power that Alex supports or you're needlessly sustaining

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war.

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This case isn't too much different.

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There's good lip service in some places like throughout that clip, but Alex doesn't actually

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believe that the Israeli government's oppression of the Palestinian people is as morally condemnable

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as a Hamas attack.

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That's absurd if you know anything about Alex's position and the way he's carried himself.

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But you hear that and it's like, hmm, what's going on here?

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I mean, it is, it is again so much like whatever he says means nothing, especially about war

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because they're acting as the war exists as, as like contextless, right?

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You know, like the society that Alex seeks to create designs itself for war.

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An unequal society dominated by one group is going to lead to a war whenever the other

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group goes, I can't do this shit anymore.

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We have our, us killing you and dying is a less, I mean, is basically the same as us

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starving to death.

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So fuck it.

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Maybe at the end of this, we'll eat the, you know, these are the things that the world

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that Alex supports and believes in are they, they are constantly in favor of that's what

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they create.

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So they create war.

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Right.

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And in his world, uh, the John Birch society folks and the entire tradition that he comes

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from were very big fans of apartheid.

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And Alex has constantly said the apartheid maybe is better over and over and over again.

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He believes in worldviews that are willing to create apartheid States that will precipitate

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violence.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it is a feature and not a bug because the violence itself makes people desire the

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apartheid state more.

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It is a self fueling, uh, thing.

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So Alex has that guest on, he has that expert on Yuval Noah Harari on and I can't say this

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any other way than I almost threw something across the room.

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This made me so mad that the real war is cutting off our energy, our fertilizer, our food,

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and it's killing already tens of millions of people extra a year.

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So let's talk about the real war that isn't when guns and bullets coming up with Kent

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Heaven lively.

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And we're going to talk about this book that is so timely.

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We were still writing this just three weeks ago.

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It's 400 pages long.

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It just went to print.

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Our warehouse is now full of these books.

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This is an infomercial for Alex's books book that ends up happening.

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The expert guest that he has on Yuval Noah Harari is the ghost writer of his previous

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book Kent Heaven lively and the guy who is now credited as a co-writer on his second

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book, probably because he wanted to get a little more money because Alex fucked him

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out of it on the first one.

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I would assume, I would assume that that is the case because his name is almost nowhere

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on the first book.

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You have to go deep to the back to find his involvement as the actual writer of the great

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reset book that Alex wrote.

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Yeah.

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Infurators tend to take a flat fee up front and they do not receive royalties on the back

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end.

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And that might have been inconvenient for him.

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Yeah.

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Usually if it sells pretty well you want those back end beats.

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So you can kind of see why this is real infuriating.

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Oh boy.

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Boy howdy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So Kent, just as a little bit of a background about him, he's somebody who has written a

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bunch of anti-vax books over the years.

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He wrote a book called Inoculated, How Science Lost Its Soul to Autism.

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He's a frequent collaborator with Judy Mikovits, who is the person who put out Plandemic and

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had just a flood of COVID-19 misinformation.

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So he's deeply involved in that.

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So he, one thing that's interesting is that he literally branded himself the quote, world's

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number one anti-vaxxer.

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So that's kind of, you know...

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Is there a competition?

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Well, I mean, you know, you kind of, when you're in a position like him, you like to

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pretend you're just asking questions and all that, but when you have a shirt that says

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number one anti-vaxxer, yeah, it's kind of...

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Usain Bolt wasn't just running from time to time.

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You know?

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He was into it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And there was a blog that he founded called The Age of Autism, which is just a giant anti-vaxx

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blog.

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Yeah, that sounds right.

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He's a real piece of shit.

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And yeah, he wrote Alex's first book very clearly.

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It's one of the things that you learn when you go through it page by page, like I've

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been doing, is it makes no sense if Alex wrote it.

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It's ridiculous, the kind of stuff that you find in it that is like, Alex would never

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say that.

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This doesn't make sense.

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Because Kent Hickenlively wrote it.

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And Alex also called him Hillenlively or Headlively, doesn't even know his own color author's name.

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Why would you bother?

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So now here's why this makes me furious, is that Alex presented this as, I got up at five

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in the morning, I called the staff in to do this, and the only real explanation you can

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come up with is that he knew that this would be something that would get a lot of attention,

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get a lot of eyes here, and so he's going to make the most out of it, exploiting the

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situation in Israel and Gaza by doing an infomercial for his book.

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There's no other explanation for it.

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Well, there's one other one, but it's sort of partially involved in this.

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And we'll get to that in a little bit.

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I was just shocked that he even went through with this.

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All right, it's 1.24 central time, emergency Saturday, October 7th transmission.

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Kent Heckenliemli is an amazing author and researcher and helped me do the book, The

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Great Reset, and now the new book, The Great Awakening, Defeating the Globalist and Launching

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the Next Great Renaissance.

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It's on pre-order.

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It's in our warehouse.

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It starts shipping on the 20th.

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You can order it at amazon.com to send us number one, or get signed copies as a fundraiser

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to keep us on air at mfowartor.com.

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And we need your support.

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We have unsigned copies there as well.

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All right, Kent, wow, what a day to get you on.

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We were supposed to be on an hour ago, but I had to get more crew in here to do research

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and prepare for this.

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I was going to tape a show that we were going to air with you on Monday.

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But wow, this is all going on and unfolding the situation in Israel.

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So not only did he not wake up at five in the morning thinking, oh, we have to do this

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emergency episode.

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He was already planning to do this episode.

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He was planning to do a pre-recorded...

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To pan it.

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Yes.

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In order to then...

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Yeah.

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Well, it turns out he's not going to be there on Monday.

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So he wanted to have a pre-recorded hour and a half that they could go ahead and play on

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his show.

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Hey, we've been there.

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Sure.

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We didn't pre-record a fucking infomercial during a fake emergency broadcast about atrocities

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going on in the Middle East.

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Yeah, I really find that to be a new low of tastelessness.

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I couldn't even have imagined that concept.

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Neither could I.

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Yeah.

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For me, the situation that I was in was when I heard this news, obviously, I was horrified

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for the people involved, the innocent civilians who were going to die, have died, or are going

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to suffer because of this.

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It's horrifying and awful.

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My second thought a little bit later was, I do not want to hear what Alex has to say

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about this.

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I am dreading what this is going to be.

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And when I got to listening to this episode, I could never have imagined that the second

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half of it, a full half of it, would be an infomercial for his book.

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I found it to be one of the most distasteful...

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I don't know.

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Wait, half?

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Do you mean that after he introduces that we have no more non-infomercial related-

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Not really.

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That is unimaginable.

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Yep.

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I mean, truly, we have chronicled disgusting behavior through this man, through any number

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of different people.

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Yep.

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We live in a world of disgusting behavior, and somehow that is unimaginable for me.

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Here's what you do if you're Alex.

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You do the hour special report or whatever, going over your thoughts about how this is

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secretly Hezbollah and what have you.

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You do that, you go off air.

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You pre-record this, and then you put it out on Monday.

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You don't continue doing this as your live show because you know that eyes are on your

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product because of deeply traumatic and scary news that's coming out about geopolitics.

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News that you're exacerbating by insisting everyone's about to get nuked.

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This is degrading behavior.

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I mean, yeah, you see a man look at an atrocity and think, I can make a little scratch off

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that.

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I mean, that's the most generous- Yeah, I know, that is the nicest way of looking

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at it.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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The other one is seeing this and being like, perfect.

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Oh, thank God.

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This will be an advertising campaign.

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I have been waiting for this massive, disgusting atrocity to occur.

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Our numbers were low, and thankfully this will drive some traffic.

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Yeah.

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It's ridiculous.

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Anyway, fuck Kent.

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In these times, which I know people are scared, what I would say to the InfoWars audiences

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is ask yourself, what's the bravest thing you can do today?

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What is the most constructive thing you can do?

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If you say, buy a goddamn book, I will murder myself.

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I think it's to get your new book, The Great-

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Goddamn it!

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The Great Awakening.

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Yeah, that's the bravest thing you can do.

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I knew it.

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Is order our new book.

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Fucking knew that was going to be the bravest thing you can do.

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It's so disgusting.

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I knew the bravest thing you could do would be order a book.

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I just knew it.

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Yeah.

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I knew it in my soul.

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The bravest thing you can do is do the thing that profits me directly.

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See?

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That is imaginable.

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Yeah.

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Somehow getting to this point, unimaginable.

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Right.

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Once you're there, all bets are off.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Obviously.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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How do you go lower?

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You can't?

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No.

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Fuck it.

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You know what?

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The people of the planet, they want you.

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Nobody wants you to give aid.

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They want you to buy Alex's book.

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Right.

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Fine.

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I can imagine that now.

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You have opened the door.

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Yeah.

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There is no bottom.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Absolutely not.

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It's disgusting, the exploitative nature of this.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Also, Kent, they like to present this in a way that's like he's a fact checker.

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Oh, my God.

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And he is not.

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No.

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He very clearly wrote the first book, at least.

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Well, he's the world's number one anti-vaxxer.

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I haven't read the second book, because it's not out.

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Right.

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But I would assume he wrote that, too.

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I would not.

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Because Alex can't do this.

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He can't write.

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No.

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Not because of any deficiency that he has.

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He's too lazy.

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He's too angry.

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He gets distracted by everything.

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He's drunk all the time.

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Yeah.

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So there's no way he could marshal the resources he would need personally to write a book.

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So anyway, they like to present him as a fact checker.

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Sure.

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And one of the things that I find very interesting is that he checked all of Alex's claims, and

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man, they're almost all right.

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Wait.

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How does almost-

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I made a lot of crazy claims to you, and you said 99% of them you could actually find were

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actually accurate.

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Then the few times I had just kind of twisted something or flipped it and got it backwards,

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then we were able to find out what I was actually saying.

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What was the process like of the book?

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Let's talk about what's in it.

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Yeah.

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So what was great, and I really want your audience to know this, I never found you telling

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me a single thing that I couldn't find a source that kind of went along with that.

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Now the only-

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Kind of went along with that.

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... like three to 4% of the time, there was something that I didn't trust about the source.

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But I was really clear that you had heard it.

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And when people asked me, what's it like writing for Alex Jones, I say, the man has an incredible

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memory, recall, all say something like, well, gee, really get me this David Rockefeller

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China relationship, and you'll go, well, Kent, go to the New York Times, 1973, January.

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And then suddenly I typed it in and I find David Rockefeller talking about what a wonderful

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place China is, even though they just went through the cultural revolution where they

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killed millions.

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And so it was really what was great for me.

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Well, he endorsed Mao Zedong and said, we need to be like this.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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It's amazing that Alex just threw in a lie there at the end while his fact checker is

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talking about how great and true all of his stuff is.

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Now, the reality is, I think that the fact checking process works almost exactly like

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what we just saw.

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Yeah.

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Alex makes some claim like, David Rockefeller said we should all be like Mao.

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And then Kent looks around and he's like, oh my God, this op-ed does exist.

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Now, it doesn't say what Alex said it says, but it does exist.

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Holy shit, he's right.

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Yeah.

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Fuck you, Kent.

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Yep.

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You're the worst.

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But the language that Kent uses gives it away entirely, just like refusing to be like, kinda...

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Every qualifier that you use takes points away from whether or not you believe what

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you're saying.

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I have a deep seated feeling that if I just fully endorse what you're saying, I'll look

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really dumb.

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It's a bad idea for me to say you are right.

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So it's a good idea for me to be diplomatic in saying that you point correctly to the

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books on shelves.

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Mostly.

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Kinda, sorta.

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Yeah.

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And I gotta be diplomatic because Judy Mikovits isn't selling books anymore.

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Nope.

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And I need to get some of the...

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I got a better deal from Alex for the sequel.

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Yep.

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So let's be real diplomatic and fun about this.

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This is a fucking infomercial.

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God.

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Talk about what's in these chapters, because, folks, when I tell you I'm proud of this book,

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this is an incredible book, plus it keeps us on air with your support, so do you wanna

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walk through the chapters with people, maybe?

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Uh, you know, you've got all the copies of the book and I don't have them yet, so pull

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out a chapter you like to...

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So we're gonna go chapter by chapter?

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Did you hire a ghost trader?

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Well, he just didn't get a copy of it.

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Well, I mean, now that he's on the book, he can afford, you know, he's got the royalties

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on the back end, he can afford to get a ghost writer to pay a flat fee up front.

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Ooh, that'd be nice.

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Yeah.

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We could fucking Matryoshka-doll this all the way to book number ten.

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Yeah?

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's diminishing returns because you gotta keep paying out people.

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Yeah, there is that.

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But yeah, I mean, if you wanna really farm out the work, you can put them out much quicker.

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Laziness is contagious.

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Yeah.

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So one of the things that Kent really appreciates about Alex is that, like, he's so researched,

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and people just need to actually listen to him.

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That's what I really come away appreciating about you is all your broadcasts are informed

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by an extensive amount of reading of these documents that these evil globalists have

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put out.

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And so, you know, I really encourage people, take a look at what Alex is saying, because

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it's based on his own deep research, and that's why, really, it was so great to work with

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you, because I could always trust that I would find what you told me to go looking for.

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And that's just chapter one.

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Oh, man.

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Oh, my God.

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So he encourages people to look at what Alex is saying?

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I have, Kent.

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I have risen to your challenge, and I find you to be full of shit.

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I think Kent...

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Congratulations.

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I actually think Kent agrees with you.

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Probably.

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I think so.

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Kent is very much...

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I don't actually think so.

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He's the world's number one anti-vaxxer.

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I will say, the way that he was saying that very much suggests, like, the more I looked

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into what Alex said, the more I stopped looking into what Alex said.

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You know what I mean?

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The more I realized he was deeply researched.

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Yeah, it's a really smart move for me to say he is deeply researched and for me not to

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research.

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The more I looked into the things he was saying, the more I realized that he has an essential

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inability to grasp what things say on the page.

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Yes.

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He has a reading comprehension problem, but a great imagination.

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It does seem like that's the...

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Yeah, I would say so.

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So, like, legit, they're going chapter by chapter.

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They're not.

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We're not.

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And now we've only gotten to the second chapter.

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We're taping this on Saturday with this giant war that's erupted in Israel.

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But this is, like you said, the million-foot view, the 35,000-foot view to understand what's

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going on.

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So, let's go to chapter three.

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You are being modified against your will.

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And then we talk about and to what end, that the modification, the transhumanism is happening

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now.

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And we're only up to page 50 at this point.

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Oh, my God.

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Your mouth is just jaw-

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Somehow this is back to unimaginable again.

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What the fuck just happened?

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I don't know.

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That is insane.

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Mm-hmm.

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That's insane.

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Well, there was more insane people.

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Let me walk you through my experience of listening to this.

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Yeah.

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Because I didn't watch this live.

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Yeah.

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So, I listened to it after the fact.

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Sure.

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And my experience of it was, when it launched into an infomercial, I thought I could never

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have seen that coming in a million years.

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Never in a million years.

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I think the worst of Alex, I think very little of him, I think he's capable of almost anything

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that's crass and self-promoting.

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And yet, I could not have imagined that.

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As it went along, much like you, I started to feel like, yeah, I can imagine the things

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that they're doing within this context.

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Yep.

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And then I thought to myself, there's an hour left.

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There's not going to be all this.

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And it is.

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It just never stops being about the book.

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Even when he throws in, we're recording this when there's this big war.

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I mean, yeah.

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It's unimaginable again.

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Yeah.

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I don't know how this happened.

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Well, it's like that rake theory of comedy, you know?

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Yeah, but I mean, it is a function.

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It's one of the things that I like about myself is that I have a very vivid imagination that

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can go all kinds of places.

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Somehow, I mean, and almost it reflects positively on me because it would not have ever occurred

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to me were I to imagine evil that this is something that evil could do, you know?

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It is truly like, wow, I genuinely thought...

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Because to me, everybody who says people aren't people, people are this people is a bit different

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or we're all one people, this guy makes me feel like we're not all one people, man.

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It's definitely a weird sort of person.

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If you're even just like kind of a shitty, thoughtless, almost materialist business person

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in Alex's position, I really sincerely think that, okay, we had planned and scheduled that

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we're going to do this infomercial about the book that was going to air on Monday.

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I don't have any other time that I can do this, but man, this is shitty.

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This would look really bad for me, so I think the best thing to do would be we'll record

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it another time.

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We can have Harrison Smith sit in on Monday, you can fill the time with whatever the fuck.

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This seems to me like it would be such a disqualifying decision to make that I would avoid it, but

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apparently it's not.

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Yeah, I was trying to compare it to whenever you see the CEOs who think that they're very

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objective.

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In order to get down on inflation, we need to make sure that the labor market has a higher

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unemployment rate, thus doing that whole thing where they're like, what you're literally

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saying is that you want more people to starve so you can control their labor.

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Oh, sure.

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Or like when people wanted more people to have COVID.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

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That kind of like, you're being callous and stupid, but in your mind, you're not doing

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this out of like- You believe it's in pursuit of a higher goal.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And in this, it's so petty.

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It's so disgusting.

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And it is, I mean, it's almost pure in a way.

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This is almost pure evil.

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You know what just dawned on me?

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There's a decent chance that Alex gave Kent a better deal because he knows that his money

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is being monitored.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I bet it's not even out of generosity for his co-writer.

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I bet- He's probably getting kickbacks from his

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co-writer.

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Probably.

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God damn it.

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Yeah, yeah.

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There's a crass explanation for even that.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it is, we are reaching- I'm in bankruptcy, Kent, so you're a co-writer.

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We are reaching that kind of like hipster level of purity, where you're like, oh wow,

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you're just not going to get this concentration anywhere else.

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No.

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You're just not.

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This is, we got to cut this with something.

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Yeah.

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Seriously.

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Unfortunately, we cannot, because this is all about his book.

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Oh my God.

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I like the human process.

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See, we can decide humans are the only animal that builds its, controls its own environment,

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because we're not an animal.

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We're made in the image of God.

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We're made of weavers.

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Look, what we envisioned a thousand years ago-

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Any number of-

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... or 200 years ago, we built.

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I mean, birds build nests.

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They know that.

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They want us to decide that, oh, you're overpopulated, you're bad, turn off your life forces, roll

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over to die.

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No, we're not going to do it, Kent.

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And so that's why the book is so important.

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I want to challenge viewers and listeners, but the bare minimum, it keeps us on air,

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and it funds the operation.

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It's a historical book.

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It's something you're not supposed to have.

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It's something the censors don't want you to have.

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And the other book was great and was the number one bestseller.

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This, ladies and gentlemen, is light years better than The Great Reset and The War of

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the World.

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It is The Great Awakening.

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It's not just detailing the enemy operations, it's just detailing how to defeat them.

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So I have a little four or five minute promo video that I shot last week that kind of breaks

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this down.

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Kent, then let's race through the other, I think there's 10 or 11 more chapters we haven't

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talked about, and you're only skimming the surface here.

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I mean, this is-

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Sure.

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Sure.

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This is core research, but it's not giving you a headache like academics.

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We give our view, we show their statement, we show where they said it, we tie it together

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with the next chapter, and back to the last chapter, and I thought the book was great.

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It's great.

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I think the book's great.

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Didn't read it.

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Didn't write it.

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It's great.

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I think it's great.

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I think I'm going to make some money.

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I think I love this book.

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I think it's great.

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It's the best book we've ever had.

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I haven't read it.

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I haven't written it.

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But, I mean, look, some money.

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I thought it's great.

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I love it.

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Ugh.

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We're going to go through these 11 chapters.

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I'm going to play this five-minute promo piece that I recorded.

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This is just disgusting.

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Ugh.

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I mean-

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Also, the world's going to get nuked.

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Also, Hezbollah is invading all your US cities, and they're going to have sleeper cells that

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are going to launch attacks on you.

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Yeah.

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But here, watch this five-minute piece about the bravest thing you can do is buy my book.

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I mean, is there-

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Like, okay, let's say this is a simulation, like 100%.

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And Alex is the only person who knows for a fact it's a simulation, and there will be

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no lasting consequences for any behavior.

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At the end of this life, he'll just clean slate, restart.

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He'll get a new character, and he'll just keep on going, right?

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But this is the character that he's chosen to be just as awful as he can be at.

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Okay.

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Well, I guess-

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Like, even then, I couldn't imagine a playthrough.

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I can't play through an RPG where you get to be the evil guy, and I can't not feel bad

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whenever I'm like, well, I want to see what they do.

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The only-

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Yeah.

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I mean, I find that, for me, it's unsatisfying to play a negative evil character-

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I hate it!

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In a game, unless there's some sort of way that you can role-play a redemption.

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Sure.

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Some sort of a redemption.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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If it were a simulation, I think playing the role of Alex would suck a lot.

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Yeah!

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It would suck.

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I mean, it's crazy.

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Yeah.

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It is nuts.

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I get that that's one of the ways that you could conceive of ethically wiggling around

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this.

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I'm just trying to... No, I mean, I'm trying to find a space-

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How would one ethically justify acting like this?

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Yeah, or not even ethically.

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I mean, to just be in a larger sense of meaninglessness.

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Not only is this, this is 100% not ethical, but because it's in a controlled environment

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where there will be no consequences, then I can indulge in this behavior.

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It's solipsistic.

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Yes!

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It is-

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Nothing exists except for me.

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It is very much, it really does feel like this is true solipsism, in a way that we've

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always been like, oh, he's a narcissistic psychopath.

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But if you truly believed that you're the only person on this planet-

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That matters.

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Yeah!

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Yeah.

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Kent doesn't matter.

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Kent's a prop.

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Kent's nothing.

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Kent is meaningless.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So Alex isn't going to be around on Monday, as we've established.

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Right.

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But he's not going on vacation.

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Don't you dare say he's going on vacation.

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Oh, God.

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Ladies and gentlemen, it is The Great Awakening.

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Here's a little breakdown of it.

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We're going to come back, finish up talking about the book, and hit some of the other

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news that's unfolding.

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He doesn't hit the other news.

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There's some big surprises coming up next week.

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You're watching this live on Saturday.

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We're going to air this, big parts of it, for an hour on Monday.

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I won't be in studio, and it's not because I'm on vacation.

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When people think I'm on vacation, I'm not on vacation.

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My wife and daughter might be when I go on the road, and they're off at the museum, or

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the planetarium, or the aquarium, or at the beach if we're by the beach.

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I'm not doing that, folks, other than maybe an hour a day with them.

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I am behind the scenes doing a lot- It's kind of like Fight Club.

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I don't want to- I'm sorry?

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It's cooler than Fight Club, because we're not calm, and it's blowing up Wall Street.

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It's the real Fight Club, and let's just say this.

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My work off air is just as important as the on-air work.

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I've really reached, by the grace of God, the Lord works mysterious ways, a point now

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where, and the enemy knows this, they've got their phones tapped and stuff, but the public

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hasn't quite figured it out yet.

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I don't deserve this, but I'm now recognized as kind of the Tyler Durgan behind the scenes

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with some of the biggest names out there, and a lot of that's going to start coming

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out, because we're not launching Operation Chaos.

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We're launching Operation Renaissance, Operation Great Awakening, and because of all this,

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I've convinced a lot of people that now know I'm right to listen to me about how to challenge

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this and how to fight this, so all glory goes to God spiritually, temporally, to the audience,

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the crew, and everybody else, but if they kill me, I didn't commit suicide like Matt

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Gates just did.

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I'm sorry, what?

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Oh boy.

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I'm talking about the Tyler Durgan of shitheads, basically.

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He's convinced a bunch of weak-minded folks to go along with him.

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I'm guessing you're probably talking about a Tucker, probably talking about a Joe Rogan,

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maybe, although apparently someone was talking shit about Alex on his show recently.

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I don't know what that's about.

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Yeah.

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Talking about a-

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I think Alex would have to be Meat Loaf in this and not the Tyler Durgan.

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Well, I mean, I think with enough time and distance.

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I think we can recognize that Tyler Durgan wasn't a great person in that book.

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He wasn't real, first of all.

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There was that issue.

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He was a sociopath.

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There was that.

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But it almost destroys Edward Norton's life.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Leads him down some very bad paths, and he has to shoot himself in the face in order

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to be rid of him.

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Yeah, yeah.

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On the other hand, wouldn't have blown up that Wall Street if he hadn't.

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It's true.

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We need everyone from credit card now.

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Tyler Durgan will help you out in some ways.

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Never liked Poloniek.

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Never liked him.

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You're not missing much.

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No, I read a bunch of it.

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Never liked him.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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Well, then you went the way wrong direction.

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I was at the right age when Choke and a lot of that stuff was coming out, and there was

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kind of an edginess to it, and I always just thought, this is grotesque for the sake of

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being grotesque.

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Yeah.

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I don't like any of this.

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Yeah.

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And I just like Tyler Durgan.

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I definitely wasn't going to be telling people, like, oh, I was reading later Chatterley's

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Lover while you were reading Fight Club.

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I'm not going to go that far.

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I think that Alex is going on vacation.

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Yeah, I agree.

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Based on what he's saying.

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Yes.

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I mean, basically, he went to Hawaii.

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Oh my God.

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He goes to London and starts talking to the people, changing the guard.

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I'm going to be so mad.

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Oh, no, he's not going to go back to that well.

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I mean, when he went to Hawaii, he pretended he was getting info on Zuckerberg's compound.

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It's bullshit.

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His off-air work is the great facade that he can pretend is going on that justifies

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how little is actually going on on air.

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His off-air work is Brewster's Millions.

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He is trying to spend every penny that he's got.

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I would say that there's a fairness to that assessment, based on everything I can tell.

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Based on the complaints that have been made to the bankruptcy court, asking for a raise,

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all of this shit.

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Yeah.

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He's trying to make sure that no one else gets to enjoy that money but him.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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And that is hard work.

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I suppose.

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I suppose if you're committed to it, yeah, there's work there.

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So we have one last clip here.

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It's not about the book, right?

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It is.

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But it's also about Alex wanting to get the web address Fortress of Joy.

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He wants that URL.

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All right.

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Well, I mean, don't...

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And then the rest of my day, I'm doing all the things that bring me joy and contentment.

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And so I feel like those three or four hours that I'm attacking the dragon, attacking the

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devil, I am a fearless warrior during that time.

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But I have to secure my Fortress of Joy constantly to make sure that I'm a good warrior.

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Hey, I'm going to ask listeners, don't do this.

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Hey, Kent or...

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Wes, will you go get in your own name or whatever, will you get Fortress of Joy, I'll pay it

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back right now,.news or.com?

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I don't know if that's been written yet, but we should Google it, it's probably some horrible

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sex site.

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One time I was on air trying to type in Jeunesse Yes because I had this sponsor on and the

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crew didn't have it.

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I pulled up something and bullied everyone, but who knows what Fortress of Joy is, but

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that is a great...

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I've never heard that term.

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That's what we need to form as a fortress of joy against their evil because it's a saying

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and many have said it, no one knows who said it first, but you don't fight because you

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hate the people in front of you, you fight because you love the people behind you.

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And that's it.

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We have to have a fortress of joy.

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Thomas Jefferson.

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And if they can steal our joy, if when we appear in front of the public, we're scowling,

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we're angry, we're not convincing them to join us.

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And that's why you mentioned that the book was fun to read.

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Well, I love mocking stupid people and I love mocking stupid plans and it's fun and our

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movement is fun.

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Connecting to God is joyful.

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Connecting to others is joyful.

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I say to those people who are living the liberal nightmare, I understand how miserable you

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are.

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What I'm asking you is to come over to the joyful side of life, okay?

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So I'm not attacking them.

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I want to rescue them from their unhappiness.

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Beautiful.

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I'm just search engine fortress of joy to make sure it's on a porn site.

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Got to do that.

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Not listening.

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Uh, not losing some joy church.

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Uh, that's something in California you got, we got to get it right now because burn that

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church down.

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I know.

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I know me.

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Whatever.

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It doesn't matter.

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It's a, I said the title.

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It's fine.

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We don't get it.

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Uh, but, uh, absolutely.

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You just came up with that term.

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That's a great term.

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He didn't.

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Hey, that's why he paid me the big bucks.

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Oh my God.

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Ah, the big bucks.

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You know, Dan, I was just thinking, you pay me the big bucks so you can siphon that money

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back to yourself.

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I was just thinking, what is best in life to crush your enemies, to see them driven

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before you and to hear the lamentations of the women.

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And that is why I want you to come over to the side of joy.

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Sure.

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A tower of joy is, uh, that's from game of thrones, right?

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Is it?

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I think so.

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Oh, I don't remember game of thrones that much.

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That was where, uh, Jon Snow was born.

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Oh, the tower of gray joy.

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No.

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No.

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Gray joy is just the name.

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Gray joy is the guy.

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Yeah.

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Theon.

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Oh, okay.

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Um, I don't know.

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Stray memories of game of thrones past.

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Can never handle it.

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So bring it on prick.

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Uh, quite frankly, I would say we have 850 episodes for you to make fun of.

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Yeah.

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Um, suspicious.

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Good luck.

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Suspicious.

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If, uh, you love this so much, here we are and living a joyless existence of going on

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a sold out tour of the UK and having a great time meeting people.

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And uh, well, we didn't sleep well.

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So there, I'm just, I think, I mean, what's fun about that.

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Is that it does reveal so much, you know, that I have fun making fun of stupid plans.

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I have fun making fun of stupid people, which is like, yes, it totally makes sense why you

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have to make up the people and the plan.

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Yeah.

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You can't talk to me.

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Hmm.

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Well, it would be a bad idea.

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It's a bad idea.

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It'd be a bad plan.

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So make up your own plan, make up your own people, and then you can call them stupid

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all day.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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It's brilliant.

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It's a full on review of Kent Hickenlively's ghost written book that Alex put out is out.

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I wonder if we will be mocked roundly for it.

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I think he'll be trapped in his fortress of joy.

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I would suggest he stay in that fortress of joy as opposed to fighting this dragon.

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I'll tell you what, we're not invited.

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No.

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We're not invited to that fortress of joy.

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I would suspect that his version of joy is something counter to my version of joy.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, I feel like on the one level, we're talking about the unimaginability of Alex

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doing a hour long infomercial for his book in the context of something that he's gaining

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attention for and drawing people to based on exploitation of feelings surrounding the

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situation in Israel and Gaza.

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And I think we've covered that territory pretty well.

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I don't think we can cover it enough.

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I agree.

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And in the impossibleness of that task, I think we've done okay.

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But let's zoom the camera out a tiny bit more.

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If I'm Kent Hickenlively, I cancel.

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I'm not going to be a part of this.

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How do you agree to go along with a chapter by chapter breakdown knowing that what's going

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on is Alex is exploiting the day's events in the world in order to bring attention to

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and hopefully move a few more books?

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I can't imagine being okay with that.

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Now the strange part about that, that is totally imaginable to me, not simply because clearly

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Hickenlooper is a Renfield.

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I mean, look at the way that he walks in with his chipper attitude, sure, Alex, I'll do

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evil with you.

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No big deal.

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The bravest thing you can do in the face of this book.

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This is Renfield shit.

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He eats bugs.

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Oh man.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I don't know, man.

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I just, I find it disgusting on all accounts.

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Yeah.

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That is, that is like, if you were willing to do that, then Alex could ask you to do

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anything and you'd be like, yeah, fine.

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I would assume so.

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At least as it relates to like your own profit, like the two views, your collaborative profit.

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If Alex asked you to eat shit, you'd do it.

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And I find these people to be repulsive.

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I think it's really difficult to take in a lot of Alex's ideas about the situation in

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Israel and Gaza and the West Bank and all between the Palestinians.

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I think it's terrible to take that stuff in.

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And on some level it is less terrible to hear this content because it's mockable.

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And it's something that relates to Alex's personality and his psychology in a way that

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there's a distance there.

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And I think that that is more palatable in some ways, but is actually way, way worse

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than many of the things that he could, well, that's not true.

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He could cause more damage talking about other things.

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But this, this is a more damning portrait than almost anything else he could have done

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on that day.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I feel like this, what's, what's fascinating about this to me is I feel like this is a

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fully nonpartisan situation.

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Like if you listen to Alex, no, no, I mean like the way he did this, like it doesn't

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matter what you believe about conspiracy theories.

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If you are at the, if you are a person who has a, an idea of interacting with other human

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beings on the level and that one of our biggest problems is that we're just not on the level

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with each other anymore.

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For you to listen to that and think, I still want to follow this man, you're, you're lying

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to yourself.

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But at the very least, this behavior is something that would require an apology.

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It would require Alex coming on air and taking stock of like, this was a big mistake.

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I didn't think it through or something like, I don't believe that that would be true where

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he'd say it, but that would be the bare minimum.

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He seems to like to say bare minimum today.

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That would be the bare minimum in terms of what I think would be acceptable as a way

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to move forward from this.

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Yeah.

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It really is like, oh man, it would not matter.

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It would not matter if Maria Bamford, whom I adore and have loved for fucking 22 odd

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years now.

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Right.

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Right.

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If she had suddenly done this shit, I'd be like, well, I mean, fuck.

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That's that then.

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And like, there's no going back after this.

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And to the point, here is the name of this broadcast.

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World War three emergency broadcast attack on Israel will lead to wider war with Iran.

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The subject matter of it is Hamas backed by Iranian Hezbollah has run, has overrun Southern

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Israel.

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Israel is in a state of war and has promised to unleash hell.

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That is what he's selling to the audience in terms of trying to draw them in.

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And then there's no, there's no, oh, also we're going to sell my book for half of this

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fucking show.

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It's supposed to be, it's part of the, it's brokered programming.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It may as well be.

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It's disgusting.

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It's cynical.

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And it's dark.

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It is.

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It is dark.

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Um, so just better be a sublet.

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So to reiterate, um, obviously our hearts go out to the, the people, uh, on, uh, in

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Israel and the Palestinian people who are, um, suffering for, uh, the, uh, machinations

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of powerful people, um, who exploit that power at their expense.

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Um, it's tragic and, and awful, uh, terrorist acts are condemnable, holy, and they do not

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take away from the fact that the Palestinian people deserve rights and freedom.

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And uh, that's that, I guess.

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And Alex sucks.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I, I just, I, I suppose the, you know, if, if we had a good, if we, if we had reacted

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right after nine 11, we would have immediately overthrown the government in the United States

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and been like, we're at the very least, we're not fighting a war, you know, but that wasn't

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going to, that's not to be, that's just not how human beings work, I guess.

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It's um, the responses to things often end up having such calamitous, uh, uh, consequences

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that are unnecessary and they hurt average people, individuals, um, innocent civilians.

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And that is not, that's not the path forward.

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Yeah.

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And, um, yeah.

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And the other thing that I keep thinking about, and this is, this is another thing is like,

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we got to understand that you cannot own land, well, that's a broader conversation.

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And I, I, I mean, I, I, you know what I'm saying though?

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In some ways I agree with you in the same way, I feel like you shouldn't be able to

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own water.

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Exactly.

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You know, like, um, but maybe that's for another time.

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Probably.

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Anyway, we will be back for another episode, but until then, uh, we have a website.

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Indeed we do.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Yep.

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We are also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter.

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It's at knowledge underscore fight.

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Yep.

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We'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Neo.

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I'm DZXClark.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.