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I have great respect for knowledge fight, knowledge fight.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys.
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Knowledge fight.
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Dan and George.
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Knowledge fight.
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Riddler, Riddler, Riddler, Riddler.
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Knee pie, need money.
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Riddler, Riddler, Riddler, Riddler.
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Andy and Kansas.
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Andy and Ch- Andy and...
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Stop it.
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Andy and Chan- Andy and Chan-
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And- and- and-
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It's time to pray.
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Andy and Chan- you're on the air place for holding.
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Hello, Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
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Knowledge fight.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes.
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I'd like to sit around and worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about
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Alex Jones.
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Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Quick question for you.
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today, buddy?
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My bright spot today isn't a bright spot, it's a fucking call-out.
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I think what's interesting about that is I don't have a pure bright spot either.
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And I pointed directly at you.
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You didn't point directly at me, I was a little bit intimidated by that, but I'm willing to
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be called out for all of the terrible things that I do.
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It's not about you, it's for emphasis.
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And it's actually something I've already talked to you about a little bit through text.
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It's the Real World Road Rules Challenge, season 20.
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Holy shit, how did they have a 21st season?
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Not that anything that the people do on it is bad, but they're in the Czech Republic.
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And for people who have never watched the show, they have teams, they compete in challenges,
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and the people who lose have to face off for elimination.
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The place that they face off in a battle for elimination has a different name every season.
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It's like the jungle-
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Themed name associated with the...
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Right.
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And in this season, it's called the Gulag.
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Which is weird.
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Yeah.
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First strike.
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Specifically?
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Pretty bad.
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Not a good idea.
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No.
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But it was tasteful.
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But then, in the first episode, the challenge that they had to do to decide who would go
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into the Gulag to face off for elimination, they had gas chambers that people had to be
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in and solve a puzzle inside.
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And they kept calling it a gas chamber.
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They really did.
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And it was fucking uncomfortable.
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Yup.
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Yup.
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I was like, how did this not get canceled mid-season?
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Cancel culture wasn't non-existent back then.
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It was horribly offensive.
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Yeah, that was.
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But how long ago was it?
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The past didn't...
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I'm telling you, the past is different.
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It's not what you remember.
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It's not what any of us remember.
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We all saw all of that shit and didn't even blink.
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If there was a season of the challenge set in South Africa, the amount of racist iconography
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around that at that time period would have been bananas.
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Johnny bananas.
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Exactly.
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I was blown away.
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He would have been in blackface.
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That's how racist it would have been.
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I was blown away.
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I thought like, I remember things.
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I don't know if I had to have watched that season when I was younger because it has the
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famous moment where CT wears Johnny bananas like a backpack.
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It's never not played if you are talking about the challenge.
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Yeah.
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And I remember that happening.
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You remember that happening in the Gulag, Dan.
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That's where you remember that happening.
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But I didn't remember that.
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I know.
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Fuck.
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I just filtered it out.
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This is totally.
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That's what it was like to live 20 years ago.
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And my dad had the Gulag archipelago in his, you know, in his bookshelf.
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I remember the name of that from those days.
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I was aware that book existed as a kid.
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What was, you know, sometimes those meetings have to be absolute filled with, with people
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who are just like completely devoid of, if you repeat the same word over and over and
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over and over again until it loses meaning.
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If you're in a writer's room for fucking two weekends, just trying to come up with any
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idea and somebody goes, I don't know where in the Czech Republic is called a Gulag.
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You're like, that's good enough for me.
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Let's go home.
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It's time for lunch.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Yeah.
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But here's the other thing.
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What?
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Those people who are on the show, the contestants, they don't know basic trivia questions.
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They have no idea what a Gulag is.
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Nope.
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They have no, they don't know any of this fucking history.
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Oh God.
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Anyway.
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You're on notice.
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20 years ago, the real world show.
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What's your bright spot?
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My bright spot.
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Like I said, it's not really a bright spot.
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It starts out as a very dark spot.
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Shohei Ohtani has torn his, yeah, man.
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But you know what?
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I hate to say this, but it's almost inevitable because he's shined so bright.
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Well that's, well, that's kind of the thing he can't pitch right now.
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He's going to have a second Tommy John surgery, but Lord knows what that'll do, you know?
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But the reason that it is a bright spot is because in just over three quarters of a season
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of baseball Shohei Ohtani played the greatest season of baseball ever played by a man.
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And it probably ever will be played unless he does it next year, you know, like that
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kind of thing.
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Because he proved it's possible.
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He proved that it's impossible.
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What he has done is not possible.
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Like it is inconceivable and the best players on this planet look at him and go fucking
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what?
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Right.
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But here's the thing.
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He did prove it's possible.
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He changed the paradigm in a certain way because he is human.
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Now granted he may be one of a kind in a once in a lifetime, once in a generation, once
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in multiple generations, more in all of our lifetimes, but who's to say that there couldn't
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have been another of him with that level of talent who never thought it was possible and
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never pursued the paths of being the best pitcher and an amazing hitter.
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Right.
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But you just did the same thing that is going to happen earlier where you went, you know,
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it's kind of inevitable really that he tore his thing because he shone so bright.
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So that's the twin.
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That's what you've just described is the twin.
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Oh, he just showed it's possible.
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And at the same time he showed it's impossible.
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So no one will tell people to do it, but at the same time he did it.
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So why can't you do it?
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My man, it's the best of times is the worst times.
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And that's what it is.
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There are two wolves inside every show he'll tell me.
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That is kind of the concept though of like, it is only possible and it's only exciting
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and it's only something that you can think about through the lens of this particular
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sport.
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And so it was very cool.
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It's a cool thing that happened.
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And you got to experience it.
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Oh yeah, totally.
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And you're fortunate enough to be around and enjoying it.
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So that's a bright spot.
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It's amazing.
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So it is a bright spot.
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Yes.
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I got to witness.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You know, we're going to martyr.
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Doesn't that mean witness?
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That does mean witness.
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Anyway, Jordan, we're in Europe.
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We're banking these episodes in advance.
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Yes.
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So currently we are somewhere.
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I don't know.
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I don't know the order these are coming out.
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It'd be fun if we were in the sky.
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We might be.
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We might be in the sky.
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We might be on a train on not unlike the Orient Express solving a murder.
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I want it.
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I swear to you.
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Right.
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I wanted a distance to take that we could have taken a sleeper car.
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I wanted to take it over.
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I thought you were taking one from Glasgow to Manchester.
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No, we can't take an overnight for two hours.
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Yes, we can.
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Okay.
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All right.
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Fine.
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We'll take the sleeper car.
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And then we murder.
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Then we murder.
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Yes.
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And then it turns out that it was everyone.
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Spoiler alert for everybody at the same time.
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Yep.
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And we were we went in order of names in the alphabet.
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Right.
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Spoiler alert for the ABC murders.
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And they're actually we're all actually one person spoiler alert for identity.
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Oh, I was going Agatha Christie.
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You end up you went a bad John Cusack movie bad John Cusack movie.
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How do you even remember that?
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I have no idea.
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I remember it too.
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How do you remember it?
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I worked at a movie theater when that that's a good point.
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Yeah.
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How do I remember it is even weirder.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Weird.
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Was it all John Cusack?
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I or was it the child?
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I thought it was wait.
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I thought everybody was inside personalities all in his mind.
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Yeah.
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They're all hanging out talking and they're arguing about who's good or bad, right?
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Yeah.
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And then later, it's like, who's like a killer?
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It's like a kid who's in a killer is the kid.
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It's good.
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Thank God.
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We don't actually remember.
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Yeah.
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That is good.
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Otherwise it'd be relief.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, we're in Europe.
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Okay.
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Um, but, uh, we have an episode to do.
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We're going to be talking about an episode of Tucker.
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You know, Hey, these are, these are evergreens, you know what I'm saying?
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That's the kind of thing you can do in advance and it'll still be relevant or it will be
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as irrelevant.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Um, so we'll get down to business on that, but Jordan first, let's say hello to some
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new walks.
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Good idea.
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So first Pikmin four is a delight.
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Uh, and I really hope Dan is enjoying it thoroughly.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And here's the thing.
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I love Pikmin four and I've enjoyed it, but I have not finished it.
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And here's the reason we're about to get into a weird time loop because I am saving it and
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tell our flight because I can play the switch on the plane.
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So I'm, I want to have something that I really enjoy that I can use then.
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And so the rest of Pikmin four is waiting for me in the sky.
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I have a sleeping pill.
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Nice.
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Next, uh, Lego morph dice.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Next.
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Congrats to Brie for getting her PhD and hello to Matt who doesn't have one.
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I'm disappointed that didn't rhyme, but you are a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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I said this same thing.
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Next will previously chief globalist of Arkansas and currently chief globalist of Tennessee.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next.
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A Veronica knows putting on a Ritz.
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Hain't a taco.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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You get that?
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Uh, not particularly that song putting on the Ritz.
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No, I understand putting on the Ritz, but that's putting on the Ritz.
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That was by taco.
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Ah, the band is taco or the singer is taco.
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Weird.
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Anyway, we have a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
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So thank you so much to Colin from Canada, but not the one from red letter media.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone someone sodomites sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser.
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Little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much.
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Yes.
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Thank you so much.
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Uh, great scene from young Frankenstein, right?
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Isn't that where the Mel Brooks movie where they do the putting on the Ritz?
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They did do putting on the Ritz with, uh, uh, you know, Dean Wilder and uh, what's his
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face?
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Good times.
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From everybody loves Raymond.
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Uh huh.
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Yeah.
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Wait, everybody loves Raymond?
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No.
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You talking about, uh, Ray Romano?
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No.
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You talking about Brad Garrett?
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No.
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You talking about Patton Oswalt?
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No.
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You talking about, uh, wait, that was King of Queens.
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Patton was on King of Queens.
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I was going to say, I was like, wait, was he, are you talking about Andre Brauer?
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Wait, that was men of a certain age.
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What other Ray Romano shows are there?
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None?
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Uh, are you talking about Jonathan Taylor Thomas?
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Home Improvement?
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Yeah.
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But you lost the connective tissue of the Ray Romano.
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Oh, that's right.
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I forgot about the, I just went, I went straight from, wait, King of Queens didn't have Ray
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Romano on it.
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What am I thinking?
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I have no idea what you're talking about.
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I've just been, I've been at your whims.
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For everyone, a little bit of context.
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We are recording this after recording another episode, so there may be a little bit of loopy.
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A little punch drum.
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A little loopy.
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A little, yeah, a little bit.
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So Jordan.
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Yes.
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As we're recording this, in the recent weeks, Tucker has taken to his Twitter show and it's
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gone from being a weird meandering monologue format and he's done a series of sycophantic
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interviews with horrible people.
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The run started with the Tate brothers, Andrew Tate and his brother, whose name I have learned
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a couple times.
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Ooh, Tristan.
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I forgot it and then I remembered it.
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Then he went on to RFK Jr. and Vivek Ramaswamy, Trump, and then the Hungarian far right president,
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Viktor Orban.
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What?
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Yeah, he did an interview with Orban.
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So okay.
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And he put out on his Twitter feed a speech that he gave in Hungary that is troubling.
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You know, how about this?
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Let me throw this out at you.
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I've done some interviews.
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That's nice.
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Sure.
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And I imagine if I interviewed any head of state, realistically, you have to say this
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person has made decisions that have killed another human being, right?
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This person said, shoot this block.
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I imagine that a lot of those people doing those interviews, they're like, eh, people
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take that as read.
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Right.
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But Viktor Orban's a little bit more of like a, that guy might've pulled the trigger on
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somebody who disagreed with him.
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That's a different type of interview in my head.
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You know?
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Sure.
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But, but you know, he's a very beloved in the Trump sphere.
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Sure.
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And Tucker in particular really likes Orban.
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Well, I know, you know, but that's a now thing, you know, that's like, Hey, I'm Prince Mohammed
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bin Salman's favorite journalist.
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Now right.
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You don't want to know what happens when it's the later it's true.
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So we're going to be covering another in that series.
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Do you know who this might be?
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No.
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This is why it's so much better when you're off social media.
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I'm just, I have no idea.
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Okay.
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Well, here's the first clip.
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Okay.
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In retrospect, it's pretty amazing that Barack Obama got as far as he did in 2004, the summer
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of 2004, Barack Obama gave the keynote address at the democratic convention in Boston.
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And when he walked to the podium, probably only a small percentage of people in the room
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knew how to pronounce his name.
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He was totally unheard of.
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No one knew Barack Obama at the time he was a state Senator in Illinois.
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So people did know later, he once again spoke to the democratic convention, but this time
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as the nominee, meteoric doesn't begin to describe it.
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How did this happen?
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Well, the outlines are fairly well known, though rarely talked about a small group of
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democratic donors, mostly in Chicago decided that Barack Obama was their guy.
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He was the vessel for their ambitions.
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They paid for his campaign.
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They paved the way for his rise.
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He spent two years pointlessly in the United States Senate preparing to run for president
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in 2008 and of course in the NT1.
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But the question was, who was this man?
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So there is something interesting about that.
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Like no one knew how to pronounce his name and it just makes me think of that interview
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that DMX did.
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Do you remember that?
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The one where he sang Christmas songs?
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No, he was being interviewed about Obama running for office and he's like, this guy's name
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is Barack?
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There's no way his name is Barack.
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He was like, who just would not believe that someone was named Barack Obama?
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They're like, so do you think you'd vote for him?
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He's like, I'm a felon, I can't vote.
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There's no way his mom named him Barack.
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DMX is truly one of our treasures.
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Was.
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Unfortunately.
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Was.
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Unfortunately.
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Um, yeah.
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Uh, so there was like a, some lack of awareness of him globally, let's say, and he did have
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a fairly fast rise to prominence in national politics, but it isn't as weird as it may
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seem to Tucker.
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Consider that after Bill Clinton, you had Al Gore as the nominee in 2000, he was a charisma
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vacuum, but still almost certainly would have beat Bush had it not been for the Supreme
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Court.
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And then since that point, democratic candidates had been uninspiring to the electorate in
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2004, you had John Kerry as the nominee, but look at the rest of that primary.
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You had Howard Dean, but he screamed it was game over.
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You had general Wesley Clark, but he was kind of boring and a military guy.
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You had John Edwards, but he was almost fascinatingly bland and ended up as Carrie's running mate.
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Then you had Dennis Kucinich and Joe Lieberman who weren't really Democrats and the latter
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was part of the failed 2000 ticket with Gore and then you had Al Sharpton poking around
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in the primary like he does pretty much every year.
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And then, you know, there wasn't a lot of energy.
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If you look at this roster, you don't see a vision for the future.
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Hillary Clinton was obviously a political force to be considered, but the democratic
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bench was shallow.
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When Obama appeared as a young state Senator with a gift for giving rousing speeches, it
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was inevitable that the democratic party would want to take a chance on him because compared
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to the rest of those snooze bags, Obama was excited.
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He could captivate people, which was lacking in literally everybody else.
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Yeah, I can't, you know, like people talk about those Bernie Sanders rallies and all
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that stuff, but there is nothing like what happened in 2008 in Chicago whenever he was,
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I mean, nothing like it.
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In Columbia, Missouri, like on election night, people took to the streets to like drunkenly
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dance around.
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You know, like it's nuts.
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It was such excitement.
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It was insane.
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What Tucker is doing here right from the jump is seeking to delegitimize everything Obama
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achieved.
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He didn't do anything really.
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He was scooped up by these powerful forces in Chicago and made to be the president.
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Tucker wants to take away the agency of Obama and turn him into simply an instrument that
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other people use to achieve power through Obama as a puppet.
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There's plenty of reasons for this.
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Some of it is partisanship, some is racism, but all of it's nonsense.
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Prior to being a state senator, Obama was the first black president of the Harvard Law
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Review, was a fellow at the University of Chicago Law School, worked extensively in
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voter registration organizing, was a reasonably successful lawyer, and he had experience in
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electoral politics.
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Now nobody knew how to say his name though.
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Well DMX didn't.
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He'd been the Illinois Senate, he'd been in there since 1996 and had run for the US House
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in 2000, a race that he lost in the primary.
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In 2004, Illinois GOP Senator Peter Fitzgerald retired and Obama ran for the vacant seat
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and won easily, probably due to the democratic machine getting strongly behind him since
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they saw a real opportunity to swing that seat.
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And it didn't hurt that he was up against Alan Keyes, who is not a viable candidate
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for anything and has recently guest hosted Infowars.
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Also if you look at the full candidate list, there was someone named Jack Ryan running,
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who I'm convinced was Steve Puchenik using a fake name.
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As for his short term in the Senate, it's not really fair to say that it was meaningless
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and he didn't do anything well in that office.
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According to GovTrack, he was right in the middle of the pack in terms of leadership,
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which uses co-sponsorship of bills to determine who's moving things most regularly and most
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consistently.
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In his less than a full term, Obama introduced 124 bills and co-sponsored a ton more.
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Of those 124, only two were enacted into law, but they were actual things.
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One was a ban on the export of mercury, and the other was a relief bill for the Democratic
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Republic of Congo.
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He was in office less than four years and introduced two bills that were signed by the
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President.
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Compare that to Ron Paul, who was in office for 21 years and only got one bill through,
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which was just securing some land for the Galveston Historical Foundation.
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Obama was there trying to get some stuff done, and the opportunity to run for President came
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along and he did it.
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The idea that Obama is a full human with agency, that's threatening to folks like Tucker.
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So what he does is strip all that away and treat Obama like a thing.
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He was an object used by these other rich, powerful white guys on the left to attack
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the right wing.
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And that's the game they were establishing already from the beginning.
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So do you know who this is?
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Do you know who this interview is going to be?
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Oh, God.
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I don't know.
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Somebody who's his real dad, according to the...
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Oh, that's interesting.
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Like, something like that.
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That's interesting.
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Some fake-ass shit.
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Okay, well, let's listen to the next clip and see if you figure anything out.
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Okay.
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Where did he come from?
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What did he spend his life doing before he became President of the United States?
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Well, the news media, whose job it is to answer those questions, spent the entire 08 campaign
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trying to keep you from knowing the answers.
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By Election Day, most Americans knew...
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He found out his birth certificate.
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...about Barack Obama, other than he was handsome and a good communicator.
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Hope and change.
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But they knew nothing about him.
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His origins, what he believed, and legitimate questions about those facts were turned away,
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as they often are, with the claim, that's a conspiracy theory.
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You're crazy.
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Shut up.
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This is really dumb and pretty reductive.
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Questions about Obama's past weren't called conspiracy theories, but questions that were
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meant as conspiracy theory bait were.
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I'll give you an example.
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Obama was the editor of the Harvard Law Review earlier in his life.
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If you had questions about some articles he'd written or his leanings as an editor of that
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outlet, those questions were fertile ground and no one was opposed to asking them.
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Those were questions that could lead to a greater understanding of Obama's philosophical
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path through life and his positions surrounding law and politics.
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Conversely, if your questions were surrounding demands that he produce a bunch of different
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birth certificates to prove he was born in the US, then you don't deserve to have your
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questions be taken seriously.
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You aren't trying to reach a greater truth that helps understand Obama and his beliefs,
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you're just trying to lure people into thinking that Obama's lying about being an American
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citizen so he can't be president.
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These genres of questions are not the same, and they don't deserve to be treated the same,
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but it's crucial.
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For people like Alex and Tucker, their audience not realize that.
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For their scams to work, the audience needs to believe that birth certificate questions
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are as valid, if not more, than actual meaningful questions about Obama's past and his beliefs.
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Those are the same to him, but not in the real world.
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Yeah, I mean, it is something that I wish...
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What would I say?
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I don't think...
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Well, one, there's nothing that I could have done one way or the other as far as Obama,
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but it would be interesting to go back and learn what I knew then through my eyes now.
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Yeah, the philosopher Rod Stewart had something to say about that.
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Poor old grandpa, I laughed at what he said.
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His words, can't remember.
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Little loopy.
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Wish I knew what I knew now.
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But yeah, there is like...
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It was impressive for him to have edited the Harvard Law Review.
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And now, in retrospect, it's like, yeah, of course he's gonna hire Tim Geithner.
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This makes sense now, in retrospect, because that is the place that he was from.
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That's where he was from, and I didn't understand what that meant at the time.
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Yeah, and I think that everybody kind of gets into that spirit around their candidate, let's
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say.
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Sure.
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Because I mean, you have that belief that, oh, he's not gonna, like you're saying, not
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gonna hire Tim Geithner.
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Right, right, right, right.
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And then it does happen, and you realize, oh, okay.
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It's the same thing that Alex did with Trump, and he's like, he's against all of these people.
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Totally.
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And then as soon as he started hiring all of the people that Alex was against, he's
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like, I'm fine if he works with goblins, as long as he's not kissing them.
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Yeah.
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Like, what are you doing?
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It's the same kind of disillusionment that's gonna happen.
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Right, and it happens to everybody.
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What confuses, like for me though, is that it was like, the moment that happened and
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I realized that I was like, well, never again.
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This is never going to happen to me again.
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Well, it's an open question too.
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I think that we like to believe that had Bernie Sanders won any of the runs that he's had,
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you like to believe that those hires definitely would not happen.
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And that may be true, and that probably is true, but we don't know.
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What I mean there, it's not that I wouldn't have voted for Obama.
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I would still have voted for Obama.
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Of course.
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Because there was nothing I could do about it.
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But I would never not know who Obama was, you know?
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You'd never not know that the idealism maybe cannot fully be achieved.
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Right.
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Sanders, right now, what I know about Bernie Sanders, and based on that, I can make a decision.
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I don't know what he's like as president.
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So yeah, he could disappoint me, but I will not vote for him thinking, this guy cannot
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disappoint me.
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Yeah.
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You know what I mean?
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That naivete that you're describing is also a product of our age at that time.
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Yeah, true.
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You know, like I was 22, I think, and you know, everything from like 18 to 25 at least
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is like very soaked in whiskey.
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I mean, that was actually-
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And you're a little younger even.
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No, that was actually, that was when I was living in Bolivia.
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Okay, so that was the second of the three years that I don't remember it.
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Right.
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You were in a fugue state and I was drunk.
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So between 2007 and 2010, I have no memories.
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Right.
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So yeah.
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Are you getting any sense of who this might be?
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No.
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What the fuck are we talking about?
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Is it somebody that, somebody from Obama's childhood?
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Well, I mean, it's definitely somebody who knows Obama, right?
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Okay, fine.
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Where is his past?
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Where is Obama from?
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All right, I'll just spell that-
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It's somebody from Chicago.
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I'll spell this all out.
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No.
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What?
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I mean, yes.
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What I meant was it's not somebody from Chicago.
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I mean, he was in Chicago at some point.
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Okay.
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All right.
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It's Larry Sinclair.
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He's the guy who claimed that he did crack and had sex with Obama.
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Wait.
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Yup.
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Someone pointed out that we covered this story five years ago because Alex brought it up
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and now Tucker is interviewing the guy.
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You know, you'd think it would be apropos to say something like, oh, how far the mighty
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have fallen.
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Right.
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When in reality, I think what it should be is, Jesus Christ, they're catching up to us.
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They're coming up.
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Get to the highest part of the mountains.
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They're coming up.
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The sea water is rising.
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Well, and it's almost like a, oh no, the joke is real.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Right.
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Next thing you know, Tucker's going to be interviewing the guy who claimed he fucked
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Obama in a limo.
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We can never say next thing you know ever.
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No jump cut is absurd now.
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Yup.
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The family guy has become real.
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Yeah.
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It is reality.
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We all laughed whenever he fought a chicken 20 years ago and now we're fucked.
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This reminds me of the time that Tucker interviewed the guy who said he fucked Obama in a limo.
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Nope.
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It's not a non sequitur.
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It's not surreal.
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Everything is mad libs now.
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Yup.
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So this happened and uh, you know, like I said, it's, it's uh, why not?
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But that's why I kind of started this by pointing out the series of interviews that he's done.
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Yeah.
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There's like Trump or ban RFK jr and the guy who said he fucked Obama.
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So this is this guy, his story is when he was younger, he fucked Obama in 1999.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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That was the year to do it.
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Y2K was coming.
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I mean, yeah, we all, we were all there.
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We were all like, what's, Hey, fuck it.
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I'll do it.
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Yeah.
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Mm hmm.
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Um, so yeah, we're, we're getting, so Tucker Carlson, the world's most important person.
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Yeah.
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It's interviewing.
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I was thinking about it.
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And if you recall, when we talked about, uh, Mike Flynn being on Alex's show, he said that
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Obama was gay and something was going to come out about that.
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I think he knew that this interview was going to drop.
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Is this what he's talking about?
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I think so.
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Oh my God.
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Yeah.
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I think that, that, that was a teasing, uh, this Tucker interview, which is funny that
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Michael Flynn had advanced knowledge of this, which is, you know, what, what are they doing
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when we're not looking, I worry about what they're doing, like they're up to some shit
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all the time.
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Yeah.
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Oh, it's all bad.
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It's all bad.
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But then a small percentage of it is kind of like funny, bad.
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And then the rest of it is just bad.
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Awful.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Man, you could just, they could just like do benign scams for a little bit.
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Yeah.
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Just do benign scams for a little bit.
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So I don't know what episode it was, but someone posted that we talked about this on an episode
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that was in 2018.
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Oh my God.
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So I, I, I'm sure that some enterprising wonk will post what episode it was.
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Um, but yeah, we go into it, uh, the claims like and, and a little bit more thoroughly.
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So I'm not going to redo that.
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Right.
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Right.
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Right.
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Every five years we have to re debunk the same thing.
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I'm not going to engage in that.
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Just suffice it to say, this is all a load of bullshit.
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Um, but I, I, I mostly explained who this person was before I played this clip because
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you would never recognize this name, you know, Larry Sinclair.
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I would never recognize Larry Sinclair.
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One of the most interesting moments in the 2008 campaign occurred when a man like Obama
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himself came from out of nowhere to recount his experiences with Barack Obama, the man,
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his name was Larry Sinclair and he told an amazing story.
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He said that in 1999 he had encountered Barack Obama in Illinois, had sex with Barack Obama
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and then used cocaine with him.
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All right.
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Sinclair went on to claims publicly at the national press club in Washington to sign
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a sworn affidavit and to take a lie detector test.
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But he was dismissed.
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In fact, he was attacked Obama shills like Ben Smith of Politico batted the claims out
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without refuting them.
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They're absurd.
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And the rest of the media followed suit.
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Um, he rented out the press club for himself.
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Anybody can do that.
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So it's not like a big deal anyway.
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So we've already covered this, like I said, uh, uh, so I'm not gonna get bogged down in
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too many of the details, but as a refresher, it's a load of shit.
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Yeah.
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The fact that the actual story, uh, I fucked this guy is not a story that the media can
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necessarily disprove.
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Proving a negative is really difficult and sometimes impossible, which is why generally
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the burden of proof is on a person who's making a claim.
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If Tucker is going to be mad at the media for not disproving these claims, then I would
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say that I'm mad that he hasn't disproven the rumors that he's killed a hundred people
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with his bare hands in the last five years for sport.
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I'm waiting for Tucker to disprove that and until he does as a sincere actor and a seeker
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of truth, I'm forced to assume that these are legitimate rumors and they must be true.
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Yeah.
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You know, what's really weird about all of this.
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What's that?
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Tucker and Obama have been having an affair.
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What?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You'll notice that Tucker singles out Ben Smith of Politico here and that's intentional.
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It's because Ben Smith wrote an article about Larry Sinclair's criminal history to wit quote,
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public records and court filings reveal that he has a 27 year criminal record with a specialty
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in crimes involving deceit.
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He's a con man.
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The record includes forgery charges in two states, one of which drew Sinclair a 16 year
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jail sentence.
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The Pueblo County, Colorado Sheriff's office also has an outstanding warrant for Sinclair's
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arrest for forging an acquaintance's signature and stealing her tax refunds.
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The article discusses how he has 13 known aliases, quote, including Larry Viscara Avila
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and Mohammed Gahan Gahan.
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It also mentions that a lie detector test that Tucker brought up.
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He should know that the website offered him $100,000 if he could pass one and he quote,
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took them up on it and the site said in a press release that the polygraph organizers
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said his results indicated deception.
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Yeah.
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Naturally Sinclair said the polygraph people were paid to say that and you know, I like
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that move.
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I like the move.
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I, here's what, here's what I would do.
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I'm going to go ahead and say, yeah, fuck yeah, cause maybe you fucking pull it off.
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Those lie detector machines are bullshit anyway.
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You have nothing to lose because you can fall back.
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You're already a liar.
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Right?
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Yeah.
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This is degrading for Tucker to do this interview.
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It screams desperation for attention and that sounds about right for where he's at right
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now.
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His political project is active, trying to promote dangerous leaders like RFK jr and
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Orban while he does everything he can to force people to pay attention to him by pretending
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to take a very obvious con man seriously in order to create splashy headlines and social
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media clout.
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It's a fucking pathetic game and it's super transparent.
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Yeah.
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I mean now Tucker doesn't take this shit seriously.
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Absolutely not.
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Yeah.
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It's ridiculous.
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No, I mean, I'm kind of interested, but I'm, I'm thoroughly not because it's going to be
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the same tone because he's a, he's a professional at this, but it is like, no, it's a different
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tone.
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Is it a different tone?
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It's more obsequious.
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You're joking.
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I wish I was.
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This man is the most important man to the most important man in the world.
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You get that sense.
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Wow.
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Well, you know, and I think that, uh, it's something to, something that comes to mind
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is something that you talked about with Sophie from Mars, which is the like not taking seriously
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that they're taking things seriously.
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Yeah.
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Like this is not a sincere actor involved in this interview.
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Both of them are liars and they don't, they don't care.
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This is, this is kind of an insane.
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This is, I feel like if I was an alien, this would be concerning behavior from the species
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that I'm studying.
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Holy shit.
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I'm a human and I'm concerned.
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I know, but it seems reasonable for us to be concerned about it because we've got a
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best interest in the game.
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Even an alien would be like, this is not correct behavior for the species that I barely know
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anything about.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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The claims that Larry makes are absurd, but they're not, but the claims weren't absurd.
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We're not claiming they're true.
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Oh, what?
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But they were certainly credible.
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This was a firsthand account of Barack Obama's behavior by someone who's going to sign a
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sworn affidavit to that effect.
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So the question is whatever happened to Larry Sinclair?
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What's his life?
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That's gives a shit.
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It turns out Larry Sinclair is still alive.
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He lives in Mexico, but today he's in our studio and we're happy to have Larry Sinclair.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you for inviting me.
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Look, look, man, firsthand claims can be absurd.
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All right.
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Here's an example.
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I can breathe under water.
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I have telekinetic powers and one time I dunked on Shaq.
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I'll swear an affidavit to this effect if it makes Tucker take me seriously and interview
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me about the experience of posterizing Shaquille O'Neal.
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It would be interesting.
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Yeah, I'll do it.
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Yeah.
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If you're saying that the claims are true, there's no point in doing this interview unless
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it's adversarial.
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Unless you're interrogating the claim and forcing Sinclair to substantiate the claims
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he's making, you're saying that his claims are true unless someone else disproves them,
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which is the position Tucker has already kind of lined himself into.
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This is how cowards use information.
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Every single choice and action Tucker is making is in service of screaming at the audience
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that these claims Sinclair is making are true and to be taken seriously.
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But he hides behind little disingenuous caveats like, we're not saying this is true in order
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to protect the thin veneer of being a serious person.
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Fuck this dude in this dumb game.
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It's awful.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I don't know why we do that.
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We're still letting people get away with that.
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Isn't that wild?
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It's something that keeps getting into my head of every time I read X, formerly known
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as Twitter, blank, blank, blank, how it's always written of in that way.
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And that idea of, we could just choose not to do this.
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There's no reason to.
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We all still call it Twitter.
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Just call it Twitter and say it's at X.com.
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Everyone always will still call.
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We're always going to do it.
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So how dare, why is it, why are these news outlets trying to force Elon Musk's bullshit
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down my throat?
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I just had an amazing idea.
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What?
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Now that Twitter is called X, it's not, it's called Twitter, but you know, kind of called
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X.
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Now we need to change Facebook's name to sever.
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We need them to shoot missiles at each other versus sever.
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No, but then the headline, if they shot missiles at each other, we need ballistic X versus
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sever, the headline would finally make sense.
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It would be prophetic.
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The title of that movie would finally make some sense.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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We have to do it.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, Larry's here.
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He does not live in Chicago, but he was in Chicago in 1999 for a reason, right?
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Where did you meet Barack Obama?
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It was by accident.
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I was in the Chicago area in 99 for Lee Duke's graduation from the Naval Academy.
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Who's Lee Duke?
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He's basically my Godson.
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Cool.
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Lee Duke?
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I had hired a limousine service.
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I'm sorry, did you live in Chicago then?
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No, no, I was actually living in Colorado.
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I had flown in the night before.
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Okay.
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So I had hired a limousine service, had made it, the driver aware that if Lee couldn't
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leave the base, because once they graduate, some of them actually get their assignments
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and they're shipping out and they can't leave the base, that I was still interested in going
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out.
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Dude wanted to party while he's in town for his Godson's graduation.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So what's your thought?
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You jotted down a word I can't... Oh, Lee Duke.
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Yeah.
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I wrote down Lee Duke and then I was like, man, I looked at it and I was like, I wonder,
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is there some way to reorganize those?
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Is he fucking with me right from the jump?
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Is it an anagram of something?
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Yeah.
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I already don't believe... I already believe this guy is trying to fuck with me.
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It is very strange to casually mention your Godson's name as if anybody knows who he is.
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Totally.
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That is bizarre.
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Yeah.
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But then if you do that and it's not that, then it's one of those specific details that
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you are doing that you're like, if I have this one specific detail-
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Yeah, liars add extraneous details that are unnecessary.
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Exactly.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That was like the Naval Academy graduation.
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That's in Maryland.
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Right.
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That's in Annapolis.
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No, no, no, Illinois.
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But no, there is a Naval Academy around Chicago.
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It's in Chicago.
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It's called the Rickover Naval Academy.
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And this is a high school.
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And in 2021, they had their graduation ceremony on June 12th.
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In 2010, the ceremony was on June 16th.
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So I was searching for a bunch of data points, but these were the only two that I could definitively
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nail down.
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I can say with confidence that it's always in that part of June, though in other years
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I could only find articles about the graduation.
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They didn't say what day it was on.
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The point here is that now we have a timeframe that this must have taken place in.
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It has to.
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It must have been in mid-June 1999.
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As a then state senator, Obama would have likely been spending most of his time in Springfield,
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but it's possible that the legislative session had ended by this point, and you could see
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him being back in Chicago.
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Typically, the Illinois legislative session ends in early June, so this could be possible.
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Could work out right.
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However, 1999 was also the year that Obama was gearing up to put on his unsuccessful
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run for the U.S. House seat.
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Not only that, this was the year that he released Dreams of My Father, and he made speaking
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appearances around the country promoting the book.
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That being said, I can place Obama in Chicago on June 13th, 1999 because he was a speaker
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at a welfare reform town hall meeting at the South Shore Cultural Center, which I guess
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is technically Chicago, but it's almost Indiana.
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That's in the 7,000 south block of the city, whereas the Naval Academy is 4,000 north.
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That is to say that they're about 110 blocks apart north-south and about 40 blocks apart
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east-west.
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That is to say they're in two different cities.
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They're pretty far apart.
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And someone at one would have very little reason to run into somebody who is around
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the other.
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It would be a very strange coincidence.
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That being said, I've just done more work to substantiate Larry's story than Tucker
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or any of these other ding-dongs ever have, and I'm saying that the story is complete
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bullshit.
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But I can prove that Obama was in Chicago around the time that this must have taken
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place.
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So, if I understand the story correctly, now that we have this context for Obama in this
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place and time, Obama, state senator, already ambitions towards higher office, running for
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the United States House.
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And around this time, you can find a bunch of articles about how much he's pushing welfare
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reform and a bunch of things for underprivileged communities.
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He's pretty active getting around and trying to make a name for himself in terms of organizing
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for the public.
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And has just released one of the more victorious books that he's ever written.
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Yeah, I wonder, because I'm not actually sure how much of an immediate splash the book had.
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It wasn't.
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It was whenever he did his Senate campaign that it blew up because he did the speech.
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Well, but he did the first speech in 2004.
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Right.
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And then 2008.
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Oh, wait.
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Yeah.
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But he ran for Senate in 2004.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, sorry.
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Yeah, whatever.
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Dates are all weird.
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Yeah.
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Anyways, within this time period, Obama was like, hey, man, I've had a rough go of things.
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I'm just going to head out after something and then runs into this guy, this specific
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guy.
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Yeah.
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And he's like, man, we got a bone and do coke together.
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Yeah.
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In the back of this limo.
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This is the time.
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Yeah.
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So, yeah.
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I mean, you got to consider the state he's in, you know, like as a state senator, someone
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who is putting on a run for the U.S. House that is unsuccessful.
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But he's he's putting together a primary run.
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He's just released this book.
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He's going on speaking engagements and fulfilling a bunch of these roles, like, you know, going
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to this town hall meeting at the, you know, speaking there.
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He's a busy dude.
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Yeah.
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I imagine I imagine Michelle is listening to the story being like, dude, nobody fucked
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him for.
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What are you talking about?
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Ninety nine.
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That guy didn't have sex until he was president.
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He was on the move constantly.
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But yeah.
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So anyway, he has this limo that he's rented and the driver like he's like, hey, man, I
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want to party because my godson can't leave the base.
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Larry Sinclairi has rented a limo and is asking the limo driver, where do I go to get to get
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a buddy, buddy?
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My godson is going to ship out tomorrow after the day after his graduation.
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Right.
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I want to get lit.
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Yes, that does seem to be the case.
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So that's where we're at.
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OK.
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And they can't leave the base that I was still interested in going out and had asked the
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driver if he knew anybody that was available that might want to show me, you know, Chicago.
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And he said he did.
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So who is the driver?
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His name was Jameer Motani.
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It was with five star limo.
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So you're just a guy who's in town for the night and it sounds like you're looking to
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party.
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Yeah.
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That's that's what you're really.
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Yeah.
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I believe that.
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Do you like to party nights?
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But yeah, I was definitely looking to party and to party.
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Oh yeah.
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Yeah.
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There was no misunderstanding.
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How how how direct were you about extremely, extremely, extremely.
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OK.
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Yeah.
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There was no doubt what I was looking for.
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Sure.
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OK.
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So I came up at my hotel in Gurney and drove into Chicago, pulled up in a bar outside.
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And there's this guy that's introduced to me as Barack Obama.
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It was literally that casual that had you ever heard of him?
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No.
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Did the driver know him?
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Yep.
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The driver definitely knew him because the driver said that he was a fraud.
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Interesting.
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Very.
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So Larry's been Larry's been giving various names on the limo driver over the years from
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a Paramajit Moltani to Jager P. Moltani.
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And now I guess it's Jamir Jamir Moltani.
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Yeah.
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This story is really weird, mostly because you have a guy who's coming to town for his
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godson's high school graduation and he rents a limo to go party alone.
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He's also a career criminal who had just gotten out of prison and had no discernible means
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to justify renting a limo or any of this.
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Sure.
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It's very strange.
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That is odd.
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Unbelievable, but very strange and require a little more examination than Tucker is given.
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Now remember, at this point Obama's a state senator.
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The limo driver just hooks Larry up with him at a bar.
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Now for those who don't know Chicagoland geography, Gurney is quite a ways to the north.
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It's far closer to Wisconsin than it is to the actual city of Chicago and it's mostly
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relevant because Six Flags is there.
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It's pretty difficult to imagine how all of this could have played out, like there would
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have been a lot of really long drives that make no sense.
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So the timing of this story- You can get coke in Gurney.
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I mean, so he's at the Naval Academy, then takes a regular drive up to Gurney.
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Right?
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No, I think, okay, so here's where I get a little bit lost in the weeds.
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Because he said that he was at Gurney, he had to go to the-
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Here's where I get lost in the weeds.
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I think that maybe the graduation took place in Gurney.
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That might be the case, so he might not have had to go to the Naval Academy itself.
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I just kind of made a slight assumption and it's a generous assumption because it makes
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this make more sense.
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I made the assumption that the graduation took place at the Academy and it might have
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taken place at some hall in Gurney.
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So now instead of that, we're at Gurney, we rent five star limo for a, I don't know, that's
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going to be a- It's hundreds of dollars.
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If we're talking traffic too, you're going to be there for a long time.
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I assume it was late night.
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You'd have to.
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Yeah.
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I mean, if you're going to a bar.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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So you're taking this limo to a bar.
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Says the guy who has done some day drinking in his life.
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Something that zero people at a Chicago bar would find acceptable to do.
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Yeah.
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I mean, that's the other thing too, is like, all right, the kind of bar he ends up describing,
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I'm like, what neighborhood are we talking about?
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Where is this?
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Yeah.
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Are you meeting a state Senator Obama in Wicker Park?
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Yeah.
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Where is it?
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What are we doing here?
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Because the bar that he's describing feels like a loop, the downtown bar.
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I mean, if you're going to be like, hey, I said to my driver, I'm going to party and
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you emphasize it with three different- I want to go to Chicago.
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I have to party.
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You're going to end up on Michigan.
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Yeah.
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You're going to end up somewhere downtown.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And I don't know, a lot of this doesn't make sense.
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There are many places that you could take a left in a limo downtown.
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Well, you have to consider that limos aren't all stretch limos.
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Some of them are reasonably length.
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That's true.
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That is true.
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So that might be what he's talking about.
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But still, no matter what, that rental is hundreds of dollars just to make the trip.
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And then you have to assume that there's some kind of a surcharge to have the driver hook
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you up with a state Senator to fuck around and do crack with him.
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You would think.
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And that is, there needs to be more supporting evidence of this claim if you want to be believable.
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And to give you some sense of how believable this is, while I was looking into this, I
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stumbled upon a article where Elon Musk was saying that this interview wasn't believable.
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That's bad.
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You couldn't even bilk Elon?
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You idiots.
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Yeah.
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Ugh.
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So anyway, this guy whose name might be something multani, he was friends with Obama, right?
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Sure.
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So here's how.
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So how would the driver be friends with Barack Obama?
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I only found out later of dealing with a reporter from Bloomberg News that apparently the limousine
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company had been doing business with Tony Resco that at the time was somehow affiliated
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with Barack Obama.
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Was in Obama's orbit.
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Yeah.
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Yes.
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Interesting.
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And in his view, Barack Obama liked the same kind of partying you were looking for.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So sex and drugs and upwards.
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The sex part I wasn't so sure about until of course, you know, you make your move, but
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it became obvious very quick.
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The coke part I thought was interesting because of the way that I had brought it up.
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So I'm stepping on your story.
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So you pull it, and I apologize.
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Whoa.
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I love how subservient Tucker is being.
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He's apologizing for stepping on the story.
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Wow.
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What a fucking loser.
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Giving Larry fucking Sinclair higher status in a conversation.
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Jesus.
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Ridiculous.
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How you feeling?
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I'm concerned about whether or not this person has ever had sex or done drugs before.
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I would like to leave that to the side and look at some of the other details.
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You know what I mean?
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I'm just thinking about a man who's trying to party.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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I like to party.
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I like to have a character that he is trying to portray himself as, and I'm telling you
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this behavior, wildly out of character.
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Yeah.
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Being hyper explicit with the limo driver is a strange move.
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That's also if you're, that's a porn star, but that's a porn move.
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Okay.
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You're alone.
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You're out of the middle of nowhere.
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It's a penthouse letter.
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You hire a limo, and then you just cruise around looking for sex and drugs.
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But I can actually, I mean, I can see this in the real world in higher society kind of,
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like really, really rich folks, maybe who have their own driver who they have a relationship
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with.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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Some Ides Wide Shut style.
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I don't remember that movie well enough, but yes.
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Yeah.
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I guess.
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Oh, yeah.
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But if you're just hiring someone from a rental company, they're not going to stick their
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neck out to get you coke.
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Absolutely not.
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And shit when it's just a random person, and this is just a driver for the company.
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Why would he know Obama because some random other person had some business dealings with
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the company he works for?
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Totally.
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He doesn't own the fucking limo company.
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Absolutely.
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What is going on here?
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Here's where you make sense of it, right?
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If I'm telling this story, again, embodying the character of somebody who's out here trying
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to party.
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Yeah.
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A character that does exist, the limo driver trying to sell me coke.
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That I, that, ah, now the limo driver is selling me coke.
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Now why does the limo driver know Barack Obama?
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Right.
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Already fixed.
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Because he sells Obama coke.
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Because he sells Obama coke.
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Right.
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And then it makes sense because you just have a guy who's in the gig economy now.
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Yeah.
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He's got a side hustle.
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Instead you've got a limo driver who is wildly helpful.
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Yeah.
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And you now have to introduce a third character, which is where you get the coke.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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You solve a lot of problems by streamlining.
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Yeah.
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The limo driver, yeah, you condense.
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Makes sense.
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Tony Resco was a businessman and lobbying kind of type of guy who was primarily involved
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with doing shady shit with Rob Blagojevich and also Alex and Tucker think Blago was set
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up.
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So that's confusing.
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I don't, I don't really know.
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Wait.
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How is that?
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What?
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Okay, fine.
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They like Blago.
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Don't you remember?
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What?
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Oh, that's right.
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They do.
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Oh, fuck.
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That's right.
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So Obama had famously been turned down for a job with Resco's firm just out of college.
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Resco did seem to admire Obama though and he donated to his campaigns going back to
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the State Senate days, but their strong involvement didn't begin until years after Larry's
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story would have taken place.
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When Obama ran for Senate, Resco was on his fundraising committee, but that was in 2003.
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I'm not sure if Resco had any investment in five-star limousines, but I wouldn't put
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it outside the realm of possibility.
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He had his hand in a number of industries ranging from real estate to some retail outlets,
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so it is plausible.
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That being said, it doesn't prove Larry's story in any way and all of this just sounds
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like bullshit stacked on top of bullshit.
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Yeah, yeah.
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But when you have someone who's such a worm, like Tucker, acting like this, just giving
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the softest landing to stuff and not being like, what are you talking about?
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It's so easy to pass off.
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It reminds me of Paul F. Tompkins bit about what was the drug story, the supposed diary
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of somebody who, some girl who had started on this trip to drugs, it's very famous, and
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I can't remember the name of it, but for whatever reason, and he's going through it and he remembers
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like, oh, it scared me as a kid about all these scary drugs.
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And then he looked back through it and he's like, all right, one of the entries is smoked
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marijuana today, or no, did LSD today, tomorrow I'm going to try weed.
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And you're like, that's the wrong order, man.
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You are writing this from the perspective of somebody who has heard about drugs.
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Here's the problem.
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I think he has done drugs.
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I think he has too.
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He's a criminal.
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Yeah.
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You would think.
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Yeah.
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Maybe he's a straight edge thief.
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I mean, I know that must exist.
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I don't know if you do like long stretches of, oh, and I also know that he was busted
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for drug possession while he was in prison.
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Okay.
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Well that's, yeah.
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I don't know if you're straight unless he was dealing.
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Yeah.
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I mean, why not just say that you were selling Obama Coke?
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Why not?
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I would buy that.
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There's no reason not to do Coke.
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Because you then have to figure out how you had your hookup in Chicago, you didn't fly
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with it from Colorado.
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That's true.
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That's true.
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Yeah.
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No, I forgot about the extra parts of the story there.
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Yeah.
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So he meets up with Obama, thanks to this limo driver, but he can't remember the name
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of the bar he was at.
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So I'm stepping on your story.
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So you pull up, and I apologize, so you pull up to this bar, the driver is basically scouting
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some dude for you to hang out with.
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Correct.
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There's this guy, Barack Obama.
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Are you paying him?
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No.
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Never.
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Finders feed?
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We're having drinks.
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I mentioned the fact that I could use something to wake up.
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I was extremely exhausted.
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So you went into the bar.
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Yes, sir.
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What kind of bar was that?
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I'm trying to remember.
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I've been trying to remember the name.
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I know that the glasses had three X's on them.
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Because I remember taking one whole.
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Do you mean like it was a cartoon whiskey bottle?
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But I mean, generally characterized.
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It was a working class bar, gay bar, strip bar.
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It was upscale, quiet, wasn't really that, that really didn't have a lot of energy to
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it.
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It was more relaxed, more like a lounge as opposed to somewhere where people would go
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and get loud and crazy, which made it easier to talk.
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But like I said, when I brought up the fact that I could use something to wake up, he
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immediately knew what I was referring to.
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No shit.
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Had made it clear that I was looking for Coke and I really was and had made the suggestion
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that he knew where we could get it and we left and go get it.
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Interesting.
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Very.
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Is it?
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Very much.
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I don't think so.
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So like Larry was like, I need something to wake up.
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And then Obama looks at him and he's like, you call me Master P because I got the hook
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up.
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Holler if you hear me.
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Obama who said Obama had the hook up.
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That's how I understand the story because he's in the bar.
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So the driver takes him to the bar, he introduces him to Obama, Obama and him, Larry, are in
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the bar drinking and he says to Obama, I need to wake up.
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I need Coke.
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And then Obama's like, I know just the guy.
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Right.
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Cause I'm still, I'm still struggling with this whole driver who's...
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The driver now has exited the story for the most part.
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Driver exhumed.
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He is just there to go from gurney to introduce Larry to Obama.
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That's where we're at.
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All right.
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And now Obama takes over as the guy who knows where to get Coke.
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Okay.
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So in this story, Obama is very good friends with the driver with no actual connection
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between the two of them.
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Well, this one guy who kind of knows Obama, didn't give him a job out of college, may
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or may not invest in the limo company that this guy drives for.
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Right.
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Now I'm going to throw this out at you.
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Okay.
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How is the subject of Coke just coming up now?
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What do you mean?
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Well, I mean, he's saying to Obama, you know, like I want something to wake up.
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I imagine it might've come up fairly quick.
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Well, it should have come up in the car.
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You bet.
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That's my issue here.
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Well, maybe it did, because I get the sense that what he's saying is that he was clear
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about his desire for Coke to the driver and the driver introduced him to Obama because
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he knew that Obama would know where to get Coke, but the limo driver somehow didn't.
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Okay.
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That's my sense of it.
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See, cause I always got, I was getting the impression that the limo driver was like,
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Hey, this guy clearly wants to bone some dude.
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No, that's interesting, but no, it's actually the sex part of it is kind of incidental and
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happens I don't want to say organically, but like he was actually very tender, but I think
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that the, the conversation with the limo driver and Obama, at least at this point in the preamble
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of all this is all about the drugs and partying in terms of that as opposed to partying in
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terms of fucking.
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Okay.
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Man, I am struggling with this because this is not how people who are looking for drugs
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behave.
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True.
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And you have Tucker doing the interview and that's not helpful.
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No, it is really not helping me understand where we are in the story.
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So Larry and Obama get that Coke.
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So you said I'm looking for something to wake up.
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He knows you're referring to cocaine.
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I know where to get it.
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What happens next?
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We get back in the limo.
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The driver takes us wherever it is that Barack had instructed him to take us.
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I had given Barack $250 to pay for Coke.
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He gets out in the nineties putting a line on a CD tray to snort and you're, you're in
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the limo.
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Yep.
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Driving or parked?
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No, the driver's driving.
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Yep.
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I start to put a line on a, on a CD tray and I just happened to notice that he pulls something
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else out of his pocket.
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And next thing I know, he's got a little pipe and he's smoking, so I don't have an issue
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with it.
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I mean, some people smoke, some people snort.
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I would never claim to be the world's most knowledgeable person in the field of cocaine
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use, but I do know some Coke heads and I don't think anyone would think it was a great idea
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to just buy cocaine and then smoke it.
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If you had crack, you could smoke that, but that's not the same form as the powder cocaine
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that Larry is clearly talking about.
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It is doable to smoke powder cocaine, but in order to do that, you need to free base
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it.
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And that's a little bit of a process.
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Generally, you would need to add ammonia to the cocaine and then heat it up substantially
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to free the base cocaine from the salts, which is not ideally done in a moving car.
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This is a bit of a weird detail that gives me pause.
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If he said they both snorted it, or if Obama had gone and gotten some crack rocks instead
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of powder, and then they both smoked, then it would make more sense.
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But I have a suspicion that this is a detail that plays into inherent racism in the audience
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that this story is meant for.
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Bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing.
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I think that that's the feeling that I get here.
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See, Obama is black, so he takes his cocaine differently.
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Yeah.
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That's 100%.
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I mean, it's absurdly crazy.
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Unless he were to say that we bought two different kinds of cocaine.
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I mean, it's a crazy thought process to have.
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It's very weird.
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$250 and you get very snortable cocaine.
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He pulls out ammonia.
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Obama's like, hold on, I got to smoke this in my pipe.
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I'm going to freebase this shit.
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Oh, okay.
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All right.
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It's very weird.
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Okay.
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So after this, Larry makes his move.
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Okay.
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And then-
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Wait, he makes his move to-
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Romantically.
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Okay.
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Well, not romantically.
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All right.
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I don't have an issue with it.
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I mean, some people smoke, some people snort.
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Smoking the cocaine.
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Yes.
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So as I'm doing a line, I just start, this is the part where you kind of make your move
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to see where things are going.
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So I just started rubbing my hand along his thigh to see where it was going and it went
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the direction I had intended it to go.
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So the night became somewhat active sexually and drug wise in the limo.
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Yeah.
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So in the limo, they do these drugs and then he gives Obama some dome.
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I mean, I'm not super experienced with cocaine, but I imagine two dudes who have just done
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coke is just double the opportunity for a soft one.
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I know that a lot of people do call it coke dick.
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I was going to say, this is the wrong order for this story.
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But at the same time, I do think whenever you do amphetamines and like a lot of uppers,
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you can become overly sexual even if you can't achieve erections or whatever.
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That is still within the realm of possible.
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No, I'm just saying that you do the coke to do your partying and then when you're back
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at the hotel, that's when you fuck.
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Oh, that's how you do it?
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That's how I've always been told.
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The coke is for the partying.
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I don't know.
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Look, I mean, I don't believe any part of this story, so I'm not going to split hairs
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here.
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So they fool around.
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Sure, I start rubbing along the leg of this complete stranger who just purchased coke
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with me and a driver that I don't know.
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Two people that I don't know.
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It feels like, you know, obviously it's a risk because one version of this, you end
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up sucking this guy's dick in the back of a limo, which would be great.
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And then the other version of it is he beats the shit out of you.
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I was going to say, you die.
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Well, maybe not die.
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Well, you could die.
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I mean, 90s Chicago and you make a homosexual advance upon somebody who just purchased $250
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of coke for you.
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You could die.
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That is a place to die.
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It seems like obviously it is something that probably happens a bit, you know, that kind
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of a move being made, but you'd have to like rely on other signals.
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I would feel like if I were Larry and I was telling the story, I'd be like, you know,
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we locked eyes a couple of times.
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I felt like he was giving me some signs that it was okay to proceed.
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The first thing wouldn't be, I put my hand on his leg to see what was up because that
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is too far to go as a feeler.
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I think that's, that is somebody telling, that's somebody who's very clearly telling
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a story from the perspective of now looking back on what could have happened.
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You're not telling me a memory because that is a different world.
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It seems strange.
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1999 is a different fucked up world.
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Right.
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For, especially for any LGBTQ story.
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You would have to know that this guy was gay or bisexual in order to, I guess, feel the
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comfort to be that overt, I think.
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Anything.
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Yeah.
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I don't know though.
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I certainly don't have a lot of experience in the cruising and coke hookup communities.
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So, especially with an unknown drug, now we've got three people in here, all of whom are
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behaving like this is totally normal.
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It is a little strange.
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Yeah.
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So they, they do the oral and then here's what happens.
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So what happened after, uh, afterwards I actually went back to my hotel.
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I had specifically asked that he dropped Barack off first, but for some reason he and Barack
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chose that they would drop me off at the hotel first and then he would take Brock.
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So Barack actually made the drive out to gurney, which is a suburb outside of Chicago, um,
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to the hotel for me to be dropped off.
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What hotel was that?
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It was the comfort Inn and gurney.
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Ooh, that sounds depressing.
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Well, you have to remember it was 99.
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What?
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This is a strange moment.
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That is a fucking, fuck you, man, what is wrong with you?
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The comfort Inn, man, what a bummer.
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That's just, how can you be that rich?
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Was the comfort Inn substantially different in the nineties?
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What is he saying?
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It was the nineties.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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I don't know.
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It wasn't, it wasn't like a motel six.
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It is a, well, and even the motel six has a certain charm to it.
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It does.
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It is Tucker being a little dickish, a little unrelatable to the common person.
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Listen, a comfort Inn is fine.
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It is.
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It's fine.
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It's fine.
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It's quite fine.
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Anyway, Obama, unsatisfied with just this, came back a call in the next day.
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I got dropped off, they left, the next day was somewhat interesting because he ends up
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showing up at my hotel room, which I thought was somewhat weird, but speaking of John Cusack,
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he wanted some more.
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So when you say he showed up, he just, he showed up.
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I mean, I had no warning, I was in the room, there's a knock on the door.
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I opened the door and he's standing there and he's standing there with more coat and
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he comes in and it was just like a quick, you know, rehash or rerun from the night before
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exact same program, exact same program.
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Was he smoking again?
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A little blow and go.
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I mean, what's up?
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I just, this is just not understanding people from Chicago at all.
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Or people.
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How do you know the room number?
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I mean, they dropped him off.
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But not the room.
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Maybe they dropped him off at the room.
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Maybe the comfort in was the hotel at the time.
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So we've all gotten out of the car together.
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And then we dropped him off and he needs to get to the room safe, right?
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But we're not going to try and have sex with him then.
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Or stay the night.
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No, no.
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We're going to leave him there.
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We're in our car.
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We go back to Chicago in a limo with the man who is still at work, presumably right on
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the clock.
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Yeah.
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And the person who had hired him has been dropped off and now he's just hanging out
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with Obama.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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The state said it.
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And they go back to where they're staying in Chicago, presumably.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Then Chicago.
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Then the next morning.
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Yeah.
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Obama leaves Chicago.
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He's like, that was so much fun last night.
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Gotta go to gurney.
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Yeah.
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A rub and tug.
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Now we don't know if the limo driver makes an appearance the second day.
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See, that's the thing.
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Yeah.
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It feels like, how is Obama driving here?
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What do you mean?
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I mean-
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He drove.
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I mean, is Obama driving?
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He might have a car.
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Why?
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He's a state senator.
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He's got to get to Springfield.
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Not right now.
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Frequently.
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Nah, he's too busy partying now.
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Now he's taking the train.
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He just did a ton of crack the night before.
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And he's going to get up and drive to gurney the next day.
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Fuck this dude again.
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As opposed to just like, if you're messing around with this person and you're both doing
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drugs and it seems fun, why wouldn't you just stay at the hotel?
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You just keep doing drugs.
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Exactly.
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You don't stop doing drugs.
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You don't take a break.
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You don't stop doing drugs, go to bed, and then are like, let's make the same decisions
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in the morning.
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Well, you might if you're doing downers.
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Oh, well, yeah.
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But not if you're doing coke or crack.
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But not if you're resetting and going home to your place.
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One of the hallmarks of coke and crack is not wanting to stop doing them.
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They are really much like the most important thing to know about them is you're going to
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want more.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's been the predominant thought every time I've done coke.
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I would like some more of this.
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More coke would be great.
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I would like some more of this, please.
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Yeah.
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No, that is a very good point.
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Why in God's name is this story not involved him going like, well, why didn't you get some
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more coke?
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Yeah.
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Like that's Tucker's.
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That should be Tucker's question.
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There's no like implication at all that they ran out.
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Yeah.
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It's $250 worth of cocaine.
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You you.
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Yeah.
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That's crazy.
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Yeah.
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That's crazy.
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So Tucker asks, like, what did you think of the guy?
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What did you think of him?
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I thought it was interesting.
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Sure.
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I thought it was definitely a con.
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Whoa.
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But what do you mean by what?
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Well, in my life, you had you made it clear.
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I had already been around.
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Yeah.
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Big time.
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Yeah.
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So, you know, when people are.
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Doing things because they actually really enjoy it or they're sincere, they're looking,
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you know, for a connection or they're doing something because they're looking for an end
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or they're looking for a hook or it's a game.
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Yeah.
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So for me, I felt that it was a game for him.
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It was like, OK, what am I going to get out of it?
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Or is there something I can get out of it other than just, you know, the sexual part?
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Right.
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And lucky for me, I wasn't going back to Chicago any time soon.
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So it really didn't matter.
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So he's a con man.
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How do you how does that grab you?
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OK, so Obama's playing a game playing games.
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I swear to I swear to you.
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Yeah.
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If if any part of this story is true, I would want that man to be robbed by Barack Obama
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just to teach him a lesson about how you should behave in this.
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That's absurd.
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It's.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's a little it's a little.
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I don't know.
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Oh, you would be you would be robbed so fast if Obama was anything less than trustworthy
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and pure in this story.
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Do you know what I mean?
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I think I do, but I just don't I just don't know.
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I'm tired of this guy.
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I really hate this guy.
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So the the issue is that he, you know, fucked Obama and then Obama came back to his hotel
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room again.
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Don't understand that.
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But fine.
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And then they went their separate ways.
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And he didn't think of this again.
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This was 1999.
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All right.
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And then in 2004, Obama gave that keynote speech at the DNC convention.
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Right.
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And listen to this shit.
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I don't believe this for a second.
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Did you talk to him again?
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I did not.
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In fact, I did.
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Did you have any idea, even though you had sex with him twice, you did cocaine with him,
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watched him smoke crack twice.
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You had no idea who he was.
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I had no idea who he was.
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Until I'm sitting in my house in Tocqueville, now getting Mexico in 2004.
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And he walked on that stage in Boston in the DNC convention.
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And I literally hit the floor.
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I just hit the floor.
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And so you're watching the Democratic convention from Mexico.
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I was the guy that smoke crack in your comfort in with you.
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I was laughing so hard.
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And you were sure it was him.
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I was absolutely positive.
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How?
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I don't forget people I've met.
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I don't forget people I have spent time with.
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I just don't.
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That's not the issue.
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Wow.
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The issue is, you expect me to believe.
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And later he talks about how he's not a political person.
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You expect me to believe that he's not a political person.
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You live in Mexico and you happen to be watching the DNC 2004 convention.
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That's ridiculous.
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I mean, the football was just ending.
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The Red Zone channel hadn't even started yet.
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No.
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This is ridiculous.
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What channel is that on in Mexico?
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I have no fucking clue.
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Come on.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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So.
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And it's not like today when clips go viral and stuff like that.
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There wasn't the same thing in 2004.
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Media didn't have the exact, I mean obviously there was plenty of coverage of Obama's speech.
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But he's saying he was watching the DNC convention and who should walk out on stage but the guy
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who he did coke with and had sex with in a comfort inn, which was very depressing as
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a place to lodge.
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You know what I find funny about this?
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Even if his story is 100% true, I don't believe I care at all.
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And I don't think it is really newsworthy.
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I mean, it's tabloid fun if you want, like, here's another one.
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That one time Robert Downey Jr. did coke.
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And then sex.
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I certainly do not think it matters if it's true.
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Were it to be true?
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I don't think it matters.
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Right.
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And I think that maybe you could make an argument that there's hypocrisy involved and stronger
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support of the LGBTQ community from day one maybe would have been more appropriate if
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he were hiding this aspect of his self.
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And you know, Larry makes an argument that what offended him is that he lied about his
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drug use and that, like, I know that you did these drugs.
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Sure.
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And, you know, I think that's not really worth anyone's time but, like, I guess that's something
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to be offended by.
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But yeah, in terms of, like, hooking up with some dude, I don't really care.
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Doing drugs, not that big a deal.
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The idea of a politician not lying about their drug use to some extent is so ridiculous to
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me as to be un-undertainable.
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We've all done drugs.
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We all do drugs.
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And maybe...
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It's almost impossible to, like, make it through college without trying something.
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Totally.
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And everybody wants to turn it into a thing because everybody also does drugs.
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We also want to turn it into a thing that, like, you didn't do drugs because we still
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have that remnant of the past when it was like, oh no, degenerates do drugs.
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You know, and I think that that will eventually go away.
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Yeah, it is crazy to believe that we live through a fucking, heroin is free for everybody,
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you can get it from your doctor, and we are still like, hey, can't do drugs.
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Well, but that also was not in our lifetime or our parents' lifetime.
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The opioid crisis?
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No.
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I, oh, I thought you meant when you could get it just, like, over the counter.
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Oh, no, no, no, no.
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I meant the opioid...
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Sorry.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, it's heroin.
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Fair point.
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I misread what you said.
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Yeah, no, I gotcha.
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So you watch the DNC, but not only that, I think he's saying you watch it with some friends,
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like a Super Bowl party.
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I'm sorry?
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Yeah, and he's like, I blew that dude.
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Amazing.
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So you're sitting there in Mexico watching this and you think, that's the guy I had sex
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with who smoked crack at with me.
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Yep.
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What do you think?
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Like I said, I just started cracking up.
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I freaked out.
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I had even pointed out to some friends of mine that were at the house that night, and
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I told them, I said, you're not going to believe this.
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I said, I blew this guy twice, you know, and they just start cracking up, but that's the
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thing about me.
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I've never been in the closet.
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I've never hid.
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I mean, I'm always very direct and blunt and you know, and I'm just like, this is unreal.
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It is.
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You cannot call yourself direct and blunt if you have a forgery charge to your name.
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Multiple.
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Yeah, you can't.
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I mean, one is too many, but if you have multiple, you definitely can't call yourself direct
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and blunt.
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Forgery is a direct method of stealing someone's money.
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Yeah, you know what, you know, I was thinking about what you just said about like, it wouldn't
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matter if this thing was true.
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Yeah.
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And I was thinking about how like the, what he's talking about isn't even like a factor
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for me.
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No.
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Like the, the sex and the drugs part of it are not details I'm interested in.
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Yeah.
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It's all of these other details that make no sense.
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Yeah.
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This whole thing makes no sense.
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Yeah.
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Someone getting sucked off makes total sense.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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People wanting to do drugs makes total sense.
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Totally.
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Obama is a human.
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Were that what he was about and what he was into?
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It makes total sense that someone would do these things.
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Totally.
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The rest of these details make no sense.
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Absurd.
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Him and his nonpolitical friends were getting together at the house to watch the DNC in
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2004.
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Were they, were they gathered to watch the DNC or was the, did he suggest that the DNC
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was just happened to be on, so now you've got a bunch of friends together having a nice
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little time in Mexico and somebody's just like, eh, turn the TV off.
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The DNC better watch that.
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Yeah.
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Or it's on in the background and he glances over and he's like, I blew that guy.
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I don't know.
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All of this makes no sense.
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Very strange.
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So Tucker wants to know this guy, what was he like when he was on crack?
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That's a good question.
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Amazing.
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I want to get to who Donald Young was in just a minute, but I, and I, I apologize.
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Real quick.
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Jesus.
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Um, so Donald Young is a guy who allegedly reached out to, uh, Larry and was like, I
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fucked Obama too.
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And I know all about this and he worked with Obama or something and then he was murdered
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and it's alleged that Obama murdered him or the Obama machine.
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I was wondering if we were going to get there and there has to be, we do get there.
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I don't really have many clips of it cause it's entirely convoluted.
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Yeah.
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Amazing.
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And I want to get to who Donald Young was in just a minute, but I, and I, I apologize
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for being a bad interviewer, but let me just ask the obvious question was, what was Obama
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like on crack actually?
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And I hate to say this cause some people are going to think I'm really crazy.
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Uh, I knew a lot of people that smoked it because I was in Miami in the early eighties
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when it became quite popular, um, similar to a friend of mine that I knew in Miami gets
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extremely high, calm, almost euphoric.
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Um, and then as it starts to come down, you know, the twitching and the looking anything
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that looks white that's sitting on the seat or the floor, you assume is another piece
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that fell off that, you know, you can pick up and smoke.
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But um, while he was high, pretty much the same, pretty controlled, pretty controlled
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euphoric, um, talkative, but not really saying anything.
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So it was like his presidency.
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A lot like it.
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Um, what a goddamn worm Tucker is.
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He's apologizing to Larry fucking Sinclair about how he's a bad interviewer, a piece
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of shit.
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So that's a strategy that Tucker is using to try to create rapport and make Larry feel
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more welcome to open up.
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It's not too dissimilar to what detectives do at the beginning of an interrogation.
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You want your subject to feel as open as possible, so they'll say things they might not otherwise
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say, and you do that by creating a false dynamic.
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For a detective it might be that they're your friend, or that they know less than they actually
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do.
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For Tucker, it's that Larry is a high status, important guest who deserves to be taken seriously.
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Other people don't take Larry seriously, particularly other high profile media figures, so Tucker
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is playing into that, even though he's fully aware that he's talking to a totally disreputable
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con man.
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Tucker knows why other outlets don't take Larry seriously, and he's pretending not to
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understand all that so he can coax the most sensational, attention grabbing interview
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out of Larry as possible.
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I don't have any respect or concern for Larry, but it's worth noting that he's being exploited
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here as well.
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Yeah.
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Like, there's an exploitation game going on all around.
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Yeah, but I mean, you figure you're a small-time forger and then you wind up on Tucker Carlson's
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show?
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That's a milestone for a con man.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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It's an achievement in a sense.
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That's an achievement.
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I think he should be proud of himself for only that.
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Sure.
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So Larry makes these claims and it gets all like, you know, people talk about it, make
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fun of him.
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Sure.
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All this happens.
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Yeah.
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This fella dies.
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Yeah.
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And everything is all a mess.
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Yeah.
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And then all of Larry's accounts get hacked.
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Okay.
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Uh-oh.
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Okay.
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And she made a YouTube video.
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By the way, I looked for it last time.
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I couldn't find it.
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That's because YouTube gave access to my account to someone shortly after the polygraph test.
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And I was never given access back to it before the video was actually deleted.
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Are you serious?
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Oh, yeah.
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YouTube gave access to the account and the video was deleted.
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Microsoft gave access to my Hotmail account and all of my e-mails were circulating the
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Internet and vacation replies were set up on my e-mail telling people that I was busy
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giving blowjobs and would get back with them when I was done and oh, yeah.
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That one sounds true.
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Man, they wanted Obama to be president.
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Yep.
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And they wanted me to be the biggest fraud and nutcase that ever existed.
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You helped a little bit.
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So like what we have here is Larry clicked on the wrong link.
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Yeah.
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He's picking up a fun story about all of these people conspiring to make him disreputable.
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Yeah.
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And man, Tucker is so enabling.
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He's just like, man, they really wanted Obama to be president.
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I mean.
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The Obama team did this.
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The people who were trying to get him into office, they carried out this attack on all
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of Larry's accounts.
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This guy sucks.
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I mean, I can't believe that the Obama team would go so far as to put an automatic reply
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that's oh, my God, they must have really wanted him to be president.
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And some people say, now, I don't know this, I'm not working for FiveThirtyEight.
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No.
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But some people say that away message is what swayed the election.
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I mean, I would have changed my vote for sure if I had or hadn't seen whatever it took for
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that.
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Right.
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So when Larry came out with these claims, obviously, people were not really believing
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it.
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Yeah.
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And one of those people, as already mentioned, was Ben Smith of Politico.
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Right.
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Right.
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And man, they don't like him.
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Yeah.
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I mean, if the guy's running for president and credible information comes out that he's
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smoking crack and having incredible news, I mean, that that seems like a story.
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Well, it would be a story of the media really cared about telling people the truth about
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it.
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Yeah.
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They're liars.
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And that Ben Smith is a liar.
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Get on.
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Ben Smith's more than a liar.
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Get on.
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What do you mean more than a liar?
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He's a complete fraud.
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Get on.
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Ben Smith.
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You know, I hear people talking about grifters.
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Ben Smith to me is a grifter.
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Get on.
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Ben Smith wrote an article saying that I had a 27 year criminal history, career criminal.
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And the funny thing is, is if you look my criminal history up, which I've published
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myself and provided from day one, my criminal history goes from 1980 to 1986.
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And everything I've ever done, I've owned it.
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I've never wasted taxpayer money and any sentence I've ever been given, I've served.
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So Ben's article relies entirely on public records and court documents.
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The 27 year history of crimes is based on him being arrested for larceny in 1981 and
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then doing a ton of crimes through the years until he was sent to jail.
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Even when he was in jail, he was still committing crimes, quote, in prison, according to the
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state records filed in federal court, Sinclair was disciplined 97 times for infractions including
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assault, threats, drug possession, intimidation, and verbal abuse.
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And then he got out and proceeded to commit more crimes.
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He was arrested in 2001 and tried to get the judge to let him off with a warning which
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failed and then he just didn't appear, leading to the warrant for his arrest that was active
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in 2008 when he was coming forward with the Obama story.
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1981 to 2008 is a 27 year span all filled up with a bunch of crimes fully documented.
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Ben Smith isn't the problem here and attacking the messenger doesn't help.
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Larry is and always has been the grifter in this situation.
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Go fuck yourself.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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I mean, there's just nothing, what do you say when a grifter says, oh, that's the real
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grifter?
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Yeah.
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You just go, okay, well, you, you stop.
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Farewell.
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Yeah.
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Good baby.
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Be done with you.
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So one of the issues here is that Obama is a racist.
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That's really one of the issues.
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It does feel like right now the entirety of this interview is meant for I am rubber and
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you are glue and whatever you say about it.
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It's a lot of this.
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Yeah.
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It's a lot of neener neener.
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It's neener neener.
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It's a putting your hand on your thumb and yeah, it's bad.
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So a he's racist.
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Okay.
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I think Obama is calling the shots in the current by the administration more than people
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are willing to admit based on what I think Obama hell bent.
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I had made a statement during that press conference that I felt that Barack Obama being elected
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was going to push race, race relations in this country backwards 50 years.
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I am absolutely positive.
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I was.
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Yes.
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Well, I think you've been, you've been vindicated on that because race relations in this country
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has not only gotten pushed back, but everything's about race now, everything, everything is
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about victimization.
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Now.
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Really?
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Um, it's interesting though.
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Um, yeah, he's obviously a race hater, very white, but he had sex with a white man.
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So you have to ask like, is that real?
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Oh, for him, of course.
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And I would be willing to bet you, I'm not the only white person he's ever had sucks
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with.
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Anyone.
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Yeah.
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So, I don't know, man.
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I don't know.
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I don't know what to tell you is a race hater.
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I mean, if you believe any of what is being said here by either of these two people, close
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your computer and go live your life.
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You know, like that's the issue here.
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You're, you're getting a completely warped, distorted view of real reality from these
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lunatics.
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You can't, you can't go live your life.
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Close your computer.
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You can't because you go and live your life.
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And while you're doing that, Obama's doing his third term with Biden, trying to attack
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the whites.
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People just cannot get the idea that he does not want to be president anymore.
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Exactly.
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He wants Biden to take the fucking flack for it.
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It's perfect.
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He gets to be president.
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Well, without the downside.
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I mean, here's, here's what I'm saying.
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Biden is just off on a beach in Delaware somewhere.
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I mean, we Putin Putin's doing what he's doing for power because he's insane.
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A reasonable person becomes president, sees what happens and then gets a $7 billion deal
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from Netflix and never looks back.
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You know, that's what a regular normal person does.
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You wouldn't want to be president any longer stupid.
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I think that something is to be said for, um, how, you know, people come out of being
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president all gray haired.
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Yeah.
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And, uh, maybe, maybe that speaks to how you don't want, maybe, you know, it's stressful.
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Like you, you saw w go from w to like old Christmas w.
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Why?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But you went from w to y.
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That's what I'm saying.
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I get it.
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Uh, but he was, but he was already fairly old.
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Obama came in looking pretty young and hot and he came out looking white haired.
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But he still was looking good, but transformative change.
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Yeah.
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Transformative change.
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Hmm.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, this guy sucks.
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Yeah.
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Larry sucks.
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Tucker sucks.
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Um, and here's the last clip of Tucker being the worst fucking idiot in the world.
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Okay.
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Larry Sinclair, I'm really grateful that you came.
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I wish I had interviewed you in 2008.
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I don't think anyone would have run the interview.
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But, um, anyway, thank you very much.
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Great to meet you.
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You too.
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I wish I, I wish I would have interviewed you in 2008, but at the time my brand was
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very different and I would have been, and probably was the exact people who rightfully
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were looking at you like you were a lunatic totally because my profit margin wasn't dependent
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on taking idiots like you seriously.
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Yeah.
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Um, so I'm sorry for that, but thanks for coming on and you know, maybe trying to get
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a, something to go viral with me.
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Yeah, it is, it is kind of very self-evident in, in, uh, like if I'm, if I'm Larry looking
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at him and he's talking to me about the past and stuff, I, I'm looking at me having stayed
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exactly the same, uh, you know, for 30 years, I've just been here sitting and then out of
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nowhere Tucker's life completely changes and now I'm sitting next to Tucker, you know,
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and it's like Tucker's life has gone all over the place and this guy's just waiting for
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you to call.
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Yeah.
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And you know, there's a similarity to that.
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I mean, it's kind of apropos that we covered this story five years ago through the prism
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of Alex talking about it because it is a similar dynamic with Tucker.
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It is, you know, like Alex has not stayed in the same place, obviously he's gotten worse
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and more, uh, you know, he's, he's changed a bit, but not nearly to the extent that Tucker
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has changed.
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Yeah.
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Alex has stayed closer to his own core in the same way that Larry has stayed closer
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to his own core and Tucker has just like desperately chased after them to give himself some kind
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of relevancy in an eroding and self degrading, uh, media space.
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Yeah.
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And so congratulations, you dumb fuck, just go somewhere and be rich and leave everybody
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alone.
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Yeah.
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Go to a beach in Delaware.
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Go to a beach in Delaware and be rich and leave everybody alone.
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It would be nice.
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It'd be nice.
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So anyway, this is a, the end of our coverage of Tucker interviewing an idiot.
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What a weird day.
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Yep.
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So Jordan, yes, Dan, Europe is nice and we'll be there for a bit and uh, we'll be back with
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another episode soon.
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But until then, we have a website.
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Yep.
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It's knowledge, right?
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Dot com.
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Yep.
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We're also on Twitter.
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We are on Twitter.
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It's at knowledge underscore fights.
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Oh, I'm Leo MDZX Clark.
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Oh man.
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I don't remember the tune to God save the queen.
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Anyway, that's what I would do if I knew it.
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Right.
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
