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Hello Alex, I'm a system caller, I'm a huge fan.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight.
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I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes that like to sit around and worship at the altar of Selene and talk
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a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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I have a quick question for you sir.
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today?
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My bright spot today, Jordan is once again, I mean it's been a bright spot before, but
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many blocks.
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Many blocks.
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Black dragon queen, Christy sent me some succulents, some Lego, mini Lego succulents.
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And I spent a little bit of time building these yesterday and it was a lot of fun.
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Got some cacti, some little desert flowers and what have you.
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It's nice, I'm thinking about making a bit of decor out of these mini blocks.
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Because quite frankly, it is just a great time to make them.
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And they're small enough that it's not like six hours.
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Yeah, but it's meditative though, it kind of feels like you're, I don't know what it
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is.
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It's your bonsai tree.
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I mean I have one that is a bonsai tree.
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Well see there you go, that's literally what you're talking about.
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There's something to it, like pretty simple instructions, although I will say mostly just
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based on drawings.
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And so sometimes you can look at those instructions and be like, I don't know what the fuck you're
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asking me to do.
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But generally it's just kind of a calm, putting together this thing.
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Sure.
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So I think I'm going to explore a bunch of them.
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I don't know what I'll do because some of them I probably want to build and then don't
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want to keep around the house.
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I am desperately hoping now that I'll walk in someday and you'll just be like, I've decided
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to turn this room into a rock garden.
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All Legos?
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All sand, I'm making this purely, and you'll have a Lego rake that you'll kind of make
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through.
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Oh yeah, that's the way to do it.
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No, I mean I don't want to go too far because I have that tendency in me to dive in a little
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bit too much.
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There is that.
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In the dreamy, creamy direction.
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But yeah, I like these succulents quite a bit.
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I have a world map, a Lego world map, mini block world map.
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Interesting.
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That you can hang on the wall that I'm going to be doing.
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Oh, okay.
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So it's not a world map of where all the Lego blocks are?
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No.
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Oh.
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It's a map of the world.
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Yes.
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Gotcha.
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Made out of Legos.
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Yes, okay.
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And it's big enough to hang on the wall and then you can put little Lego pieces where
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you've been.
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Right, right, right.
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Yeah, yeah.
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To note.
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Yeah, that's cool.
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Yeah, like a pin.
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Yeah, that's very cool.
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So I have one of those that's going to be a giant project because I can't even imagine
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how many pieces that is.
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I'm excited.
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So I'm about to put the little red dot on Glasgow, and uh, ooh, yep.
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Glasgow.
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I'm going to have to put two on that island.
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Yeah.
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Um, but uh, yeah, so that's uh, Legos.
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Yeah.
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So what's your bright spot?
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Perfect.
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Two fold.
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Two fold today.
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You're a glutton for bright spots lately.
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I'm loving it.
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You had two last time.
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Two this time.
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Well, I mean, one of them has always recently been announcing a different show, so if you
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want that to be...
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And the other one's tennis.
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No, the other one is the Venture Brothers.
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Okay.
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The Venture Brothers ended.
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They released the movie.
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I feel like it's been on the air for 50 years.
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20 years.
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20 years.
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Wow, yeah.
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20 years.
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I thought that had gone away already, quite frankly, because it wasn't a show that I ever
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really watched.
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I'd caught some here and there, but yeah, for some reason I thought it had been gone
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for 10 years.
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Uh, I think it was canceled like five years ago.
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But I mean, that's the way that they've always worked is over 20 years they've put together
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like eight seasons, well, seven seasons and then this movie, and they've been spread out
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so all of a sudden they'll go four years without an entire season, you know?
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That's just how they've worked.
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That must be why.
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Yeah.
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It enters in and out of consciousness a little bit.
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Absolutely.
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And it's one of my favorite shows ever, and their commitment to only doing the thing that
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they believe is as good as they can make it, that's amazing, you know?
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It's like the anti-South Park.
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They're not like, ah, let's put it out in a day.
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No, they're like, we'll see you in six years at least.
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Get out of here.
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Shots fired at South Park.
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Yeah, whatever.
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What's the point of even criticizing or not?
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One thing I think I'm glad about, and I apologize to any South Park fans who are listening,
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but one thing I'm really glad about is that I never got really into South Park.
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Yeah, I know, right?
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I watched some of it and I thought like, eh, it's a little preachy, but I'll make some
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good points here and there.
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Sometimes it's kind of funny.
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I think the movie, the only thing I remember about the movie is that song, What Would Brian
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Boitano Do?
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I mean, it's a catchy fucking song.
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It is.
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I mean, you can't take that away from them.
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Yeah.
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They wrote a catchy goddamn song.
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Yeah.
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They're good at music.
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They are really good at music.
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It turns out.
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They're really good at musicals.
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Maybe better at that than political points.
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Bob's Burgers is better than that.
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Yeah.
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I would have gone down a very cynical, angry path had I have been too into them.
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Yeah, I think that could have ended up a goddamn libertarian or something.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, Venture Brothers, I'll give that a shot.
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I'll give that a, I'll give that, cause if there's eight seasons of it, that means there's
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plenty to dive into and that could be helpful because I don't have any more survivor to
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watch.
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I'm telling you, it's just a great show.
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It's a great show because it starts off with your basic Johnny Quest kind of send up and
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then they are so committed to character development.
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It's beyond what, you know, every season, every single season, each character changes
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permanently.
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Do you know what I mean?
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And that goes on throughout the entire series.
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Yeah, there's continuity.
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There's never any situation where it's like, oh, this character stays static or there's
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the traditional TV, you know, instant change.
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We learned a lesson right back to Baseline.
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It's always been a narrative movement and it's really, really, it's an achievement.
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Great.
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Yeah.
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Congratulations.
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Yeah.
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Good on you, Jackson Public and Doc Hammer.
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Sure.
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Congratulations.
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Those aren't real names.
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No, they are not real names.
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Oh, okay.
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Good.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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No, they're not real names.
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Okay.
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Hey, we agree.
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It's your second bright spot.
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My second bright spot, Dan, is that the tickets are available today for the London show.
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In the description of the episode, we'll have the link to the tickets.
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Folks can buy London tickets.
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And I don't know if we have actually announced it, but the QED people will announce it today.
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We're doing a live show at the QED.
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Oh.
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Yeah.
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Oh.
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Yeah.
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I didn't realize that.
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Oh, you didn't?
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We've talked about this so many times.
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I thought that that was the London show.
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Oh no, the London show is not that.
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We do not have... first of all, this is great evidence that we don't have meetings about
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anything.
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No, this is good communication.
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This is great.
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I've tried to explain.
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I understood that there was discussion of doing a show at QED.
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And I know that that had been something that we had talked about.
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Sure.
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But I thought that that was London.
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I didn't realize that.
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So we have three shows total.
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We have three shows total.
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Four, if you count my lecture at QED.
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Sure.
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My speaking engagement.
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I won't be riffing during that.
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No.
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That'll just be you.
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Although you might feel the spirit from backstage or the audience and scream something, I'm
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sure.
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Sure, sure.
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But yeah, the QED one is available only to people who have tickets to the festival or
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the conference.
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Right.
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So if you'd like to attend QED, one of the things that is going to be available for you
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is a live one of our show.
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Exactly.
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It's called Manchester.
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And that's difficult for me because I've told you a bunch of times, all I want to do is
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do an episode about Oasis.
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That's all you want to do.
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But the Gallaghers haven't been on...
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You know, Oasis just released a new album.
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What?
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Yeah.
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Together?
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No.
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Oh.
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Of course not.
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Okay.
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What?
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It's like, I know that they've gone their separate ways and he has the Flying Vultures
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or whatever the fuck.
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BDI, I think, is one of their bands.
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I think it's released officially under Oasis, but with a subtitle.
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Asterix?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Oasis.
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But you know what?
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You know what Oasis is now.
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You've read the fucking news, assholes.
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Yeah.
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And I just don't want to bother the people in Manchester, quite frankly, because I'm
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sure they're tired of hearing about it.
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Probably.
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Probably tired of hearing about Oasis.
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I mean, I'm sure...
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And Americans coming over and being like, dude, the back in anger was amazing, man.
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I mean, I imagine if you believe your city has a rich cultural history, to have it boiled
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down to Oasis is probably not the best.
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Wow.
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I mean, what are the other things?
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What else has happened there?
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I don't know.
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Don't put me on the spot.
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The Bee Gees?
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The Bee Gees grew up in Manchester.
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They did not.
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Yes, they did.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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The Game Brothers, they grew up in Manchester.
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No shit.
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Yeah.
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That's one of the other options that I have about...
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I feel like the Bee Gees and the Beach Boys are the same people, and that's what gets
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caught up in my head.
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No, because the Bee Gees are disco, or yeah, they're disco and the Beach Boys are surf
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rock.
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Right, right, right.
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No, it's just Bee Bee.
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Very different.
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Very different.
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And the Beach Boys were not related.
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The Bee Gees were the...
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Andy Gibb...
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Some of the Beach Boys were related, weren't they?
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Maybe.
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No, now I don't know.
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I don't know anymore.
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And...
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Yes, some of the Beach Boys were related.
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Manson didn't like the Bee Gees.
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Yes.
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Manson, I know they were, because Manson got in with the brother in...
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Brian Wilson.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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The Wilson Brothers.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Yeah.
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The Bee Gees, they grew up in Manchester.
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The original Mmbop.
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You know what their first single was?
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Mmbop.
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No.
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That was the first single for Hanson.
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Yes.
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The Bee Gees first single, you'll never guess.
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What is it?
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Because they have so many of these big disco classics.
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I love being told that I'll never guess, and yet still be given the prompt to try.
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Try and guess.
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What does that even mean?
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Bee Gees on the block.
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Do you even think you know?
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I don't know the name of any Bee Gees songs off the top of my head.
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How many Bee Gees songs do you know?
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Stayin' Alive?
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Oh, well, I mean, obviously.
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Okay.
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But I mean, come on.
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But that wasn't their first hit.
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Exactly.
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Their first hit was called New York Mining Disaster 1941.
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Really?
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Yep.
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So, we were all very close to having a wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald from the Bee Gees
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that we all sing as karaoke.
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But it got forgotten.
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But it was apparently very similar to The Beatles, and got them noticed.
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Wow.
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And then they went disco.
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Huh.
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Good move.
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Anyway, this is stuff that I know, because I previously was trying to figure out a show
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to do in Manchester, and I'd given up on it, and now I know that now I have to do it all
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over again.
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This is what happens whenever I organize the tour, is that no matter how many times I tell
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you things, I'll figure something out.
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Anyway, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over, and it's gonna be a Tucker episode.
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Alex wasn't bringin' it.
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I listened to a couple episodes from 2004, and they were just barren wasteland.
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What else happened?
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Oh, I stumbled across a nine-hour recording of Robert Welsh giving a John Birch Society
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speech from 1965, and I got caught up in that a little bit.
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Oh, I mean, yes, of course you did.
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Uh-huh.
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I just really sink my teeth into that.
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I do appreciate this is the only place where I can hear somebody say it like that.
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Oh, I mean, look, a nine-hour thing via John Bircher?
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Of course I got caught up into that.
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Very deep, interesting stuff.
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And then also, I was trying to find a couch, and I was unsuccessful.
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But we're doing a Tucker episode, and I'm gonna give some disclaimers here in a minute.
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Um, because this episode's bad.
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Yeah.
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It's not good.
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No.
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But what do you expect?
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But before we get to those disclaimers, let's take a little moment, Jordan, to say hello
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to some new wonks.
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Ooh, that's a great idea.
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So first, thank you so much.
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Happy Uber-belated birthday, Dig, Diggle, D-I-G-G-L.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much!
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Thank you.
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Next, thank you, Louis Byer.
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It's pronounced Byer like Brier's ice cream, but without the R after the B and drop the
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S on the end.
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I think I nailed that one.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much!
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Thank you!
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Next, happy severely belated birthday to Elena in Montreal from Stringbean.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much!
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Thank you!
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Next, my landlady went to the January 6th March.
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The next day she told me Antifa did the riot and spends almost every waking moment listening
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to far right radio.
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Dan and Jordan, help keep me sane.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much!
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Thank you!
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I'm a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much!
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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You did it.
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Just for him.
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I brought it on that one.
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And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
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So thank you so much, too.
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Congratulations to my absolute academic weapons, PJ and Caleb.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark!
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much.
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Yes, thank you very much.
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So we're going to talk about this Tucker episode.
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I believe it's episode...
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It's the one I think right before his Andrew Tate interview.
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And I think that you and I are both of the opinion that I'm not sure about a two and
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a half hour, two hour Andrew Tate, Tucker Carlson interview.
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I'm very sure.
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I'm not.
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Strong no.
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You are definitely a strong no.
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Strong no.
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Whereas I have a little bit of a, man, maybe there's a point to do that, but I'm not sure.
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So anyway, this is episode eight of Tucker's show.
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Gotcha.
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That interview was nine.
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Might do that eventually just to really torture Jordan.
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But this episode is deeply transphobic.
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Very bad.
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Yeah.
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I mean, we were talking about this a little bit before we started recording when I was
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describing just in sort of broad terms what the episode is.
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It's not necessarily super disgusting in terms of graphicness or passion in the disgusting
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way Alex expresses some of his hate.
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But it is very insulting and bullying towards a specific person.
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And I don't really know exactly how to gauge what is more hard or awful to listen to for
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people.
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But I would say that it's offensive, certainly.
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He consistently misgenders the person and uses their dead name, and so there's that
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element of it.
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And then there's...
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It's just dumb.
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Yeah, there's not a hierarchy of pain, but there's definitely the chart with the different
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smiley faces on it.
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It's a spectrum of smiley faces that turn very, very frowny.
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Yeah.
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So I would say that just be aware of that up front here.
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And then also I apologize that I'm not gonna call it out every time he misgenders or uses
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a dead name.
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Sure.
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Maybe I'll...
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I guess maybe I should bleep out the dead name.
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I think that's what oftentimes...
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I think that's probably the right way to do it.
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But yeah, I'll do that.
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But I'm not going to call it out every single time because I'm just calling it out in advance.
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He does it throughout, and it's awful.
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You know how disgusting he can be.
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He's that disgusting.
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He's Tucker.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, here is where we begin our excursion through Tucker's gross mind.
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Hey, it's Tucker Carlson.
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Belmont Hill is a small private school outside of Boston.
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It's not famous for its athletics.
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The school's mascot isn't even an animal.
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It's an 18th century navigational tool.
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The Belmont Hill sextants doesn't even make sense.
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Alright, so there's no bigotry yet, and I decided I'm going to really take advantage
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of this.
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Yeah, I'm really enjoying this part so far.
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So the Belmont Hill school has a bunch of really strong sports teams.
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They compete in the independent school league, and their baseball team has the record for
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most league titles with 16.
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Their golf team has also won 16 ISL titles in the time just since 1989, and they won
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the title in 2022, just before when you would have any awareness of this.
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They went undefeated the entire season, their golf team.
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Their crew team has won the New England Rowing Association Championship 14 times, and this
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kind of statistic goes on into their hockey, lacrosse, tennis, and wrestling teams as well.
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Tucker is trying to take a cheap shot at this school, but he didn't look into it at all.
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Yeah.
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Also, if Tucker had just gone to the school's website, he would have found an excerpt from
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a speech that the school's founder gave in 1924, where he explained that choice for the
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school's mascot.
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Fucking love sextants, bro.
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Well, I mean, I mean, just first of all, this is up in Boston, and so there's a bit of a
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nautical kind of vibe to New England, so that's appropriate there.
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And then, quote, to be appropriate, the device would have to symbolize some fine ideal in
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education.
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It would have to express, in one way or another, the spirit that we wish to propagate, namely,
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that of service through scholarship.
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And so, in the course of many weeks, quite a number of emblems were suggested.
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Curiously enough, perhaps because several of us love the sea and everything connected
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with it, nautical devices seem to be the favorites.
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Some of these, like the compass and the capstan, were apparently suitable, but one by one,
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either through too great intricacy or because of lack of originality, they were rejected.
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Finally, however, it occurred to someone that the sextant might be used.
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The sextant was a symbol of orientation, and the chief purpose of education was, of course,
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to orientate.
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For, it is only by finding ourselves, by discovering our capacities and aptitudes, that we can
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be of service to the community.
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So that's why they chose the sextant.
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I mean, all right, okay, fine.
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It makes as much sense as anything else.
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I went to Hickman High School, and our mascot was a kewpie, which is apparently like a baby
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ghost doll.
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I understand.
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Ours was tiger, and that's equally arbitrary and, at the same time, symbolic in the exact
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same annoying way.
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But that's an animal, and that's what Tucker was complaining about, it's not an animal.
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But why is it socially accepted that animals are totally fine mascots, but you can't pick
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whatever you want?
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This is a microcosm of his own bigotry.
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You can only choose one form of mascot.
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Syracuse's mascot is an orange.
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Wichita State's mascot is an anthropomorphic thing of wheat.
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Purdue's mascot is the Boilermaker, which is a train.
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Let people have fun with their damn mascots.
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That is awesome.
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Just have fun with the mascots.
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Just have fun with the mascots.
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Using some selective criticism here about something he doesn't even care about, it's
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ridiculous.
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Are you being a dick about mascots?
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Who has the time for that?
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This place with a good sports program doesn't care about sports, and they have a dumb mascot.
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You don't care about that.
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I don't understand how it's possible for an adult man with millions of listeners to think
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it's a good idea to talk about high school sports.
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I just don't understand it.
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You can talk about professional sports, those are other adults.
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You're an adult, don't enter into the high school sports world.
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Just don't do it.
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Yeah, their sports program was good despite what Tucker has to say, and now here's where
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he uses this false outrage that he has at the beginning in order to pivot into what
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he really wants to complain about.
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Right.
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So when it comes to sports, Belmont Hill is not trying very hard, but the school's athletic
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program can claim at least one important footnote to history.
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In 1975, its football roster contained two names you will recognize even now, Mark Milley
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and Levine.
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I don't recognize you.
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Milley is now the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
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Levine, of course, is our country's most famous admiral.
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Both transitioned late in life into overweight middle-aged women.
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Both wound up working as high-level officials in the Joe Biden administration.
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Their teammates at the all-boys school in Boston probably wouldn't have predicted any
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of that.
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This is weird.
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What's happening?
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Because he's having a joke about Mark Milley, General Milley, the head of the Joint Chiefs
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of Staff transitioning, but he didn't.
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He's not.
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It's just, I think he has like a picture of Mark Milley and he thinks he looks like a
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middle-aged woman.
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So the joke is just that they're physically unattractive to Tucker.
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Yeah, and maybe that he thinks that Milley is unmasculine in some way because he wasn't
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supportive enough of Trump.
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I was going to say.
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But it's weird because it's supposed to be a joke.
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I think so.
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Yes, it definitely is, but it's confusing.
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It's more confusing than it is like a bad joke.
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The first problem is you assumed already that I knew those names, I can just pull those
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names out of a hat.
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No, thank you.
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I don't want to be able to instantly pull the name of any Joint Chief of any staff.
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That's fine.
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You know?
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I shouldn't know that.
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I think if I just lived a day-to-day life, I probably wouldn't know General Milley's
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name either.
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Yeah.
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But Alex yells about him a lot.
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Right, I mean, in our capacity, yeah, of course we, yeah.
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But at the same time, it's not a joke.
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It's not a turn.
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There's no turn.
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There's no surprise.
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He doesn't have any delivery that would suggest it's a joke.
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No, that's the other thing, too.
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The way it's presented is, again, confusing.
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It's very factual.
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It feels like he's telling me something and I immediately...
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Well, the factual nature of it is that Rachel Levine is the Assistant Secretary for Health,
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and she transitioned.
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Yeah, okay.
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And so that's the thing that he's playing with, but there isn't anything really going
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on.
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Like you said, there's no structure to it as a joke.
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No, I mean, the idea is that they both went to an all-boys school and then later on in
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life decided not to be boys.
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But one didn't.
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Exactly.
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So now he's...
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But he's not...
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I'm so annoyed.
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Yeah.
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And like I mentioned, their sports program's pretty good, and they've produced a bunch
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of NHL players, but this is the perception that Tucker's trying to cultivate at the beginning
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there because it's part of attacking the school's masculinity in some way.
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That's what's mixed up here.
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Sure.
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Also, I'm disappointed that he didn't bring up that David E. Kelley also went to Belmont
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Hills.
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So without that school, we never would have gotten Ali McBeal, Chicago Hope, Doogie Howser
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MD, and of course, Lake Placid.
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He did all of them?
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Yeah, he did a lot.
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Wow.
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That's...
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That's a career.
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And the practice.
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Oh, man, that is a career and a half.
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And Harry's Law.
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That's...
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Kathy Bates.
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That's some challenging Dick Wolf kind of shit right there.
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He had a lot of pretty long Boston Public, too.
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Yeah, he had a lot of TV shows.
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I do appreciate his formula of, take a profession, next, done.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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A lot of lawyers, too, because I think he might have gone to law school.
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Well, I mean, he went to prep with these titans.
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I don't know what year.
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Yeah, that's fair.
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I didn't get that part down.
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That's fair.
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So Tucker plays a clip of Levine, and it gets...
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He's weird.
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His point is weird, and he's asking questions that aren't questions and don't mean anything.
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Here's what Ray Levine looks like now for a video he just posted on Instagram.
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Hello, my name is Admiral Rachel Levine, and I have the honor of being the Assistant Secretary
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for Health at the United States Department of Health and Human Services.
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Happy Pride.
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Happy Pride Month.
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And actually, let's declare it a summer of pride.
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Happy summer of pride.
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Happy summer of pride!
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Levine is so darn proud, he'd like to tell you about it all summer and possibly into
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the fall.
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He's got a lot to be proud of.
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What specifically, you ask?
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Well, strangely, he doesn't say, nor does he mention his former wife or children.
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He doesn't tell us whether they're proud too.
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What?
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Since none of them have been invited onto the Today Show to talk about their feelings,
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we're going to have to guess.
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For now, we're going to assume his former family is proud, and why wouldn't they be?
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Few Americans in our history has come as far as Levine.
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Here's a fat guy in a Halloween costume who somehow became a federal health minister.
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Not a small thing.
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You try that.
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I'm like, that's what I'm talking about.
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That's just bullying.
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That's just insulting someone.
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That's just being mean.
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Yeah, I mean, that's-
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There's no point to that.
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That's such, that's, I mean, that's fucking fucked up.
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And it's cowardly.
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It's cowardly on a scale that you can't really process, because that's the type of shit,
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if you said that to somebody's face, shit's going down.
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Probably.
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And it's reasonable.
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If you say that shit, fuck you.
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Fuck you.
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Well, I mean, I think we're in the feeling like a window might be open.
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But it's like, that is stuff that cannot be confronted any other way.
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You can't talk someone through why they're doing that, because they've already thought
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through why they're doing that.
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There's no conflict that is resolved without-
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There isn't a conflict that's resolvable.
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Yes, exactly.
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In essence.
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It's just, this person hates somebody for their identity and wants to broadcast insults
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and bullying.
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Yeah.
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That's it.
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Millions of people.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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For no reason.
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No.
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And it's not even-
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Other than existing.
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And it's not even like, there's no criticism to it.
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There's like, I know, Tucker fancies himself to be an important person with deep ideas
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that are challenging the system, and this is just, there's nothing.
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This is nothing.
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No.
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I mean, there's more than-
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A middle schooler could write this.
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More than enough just physical jabs.
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More than enough to be like, oh, then you're just doing this vindictively, maliciously.
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You're a piece of shit.
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And what, I mean, it's a stupid question to ask, what are you proud of?
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I mean, just, who the fuck are you?
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Pretending to not know of the existence of pride.
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Who the fuck are you to ask any of those questions?
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And how dare you bring up a family that is not yours to fucking discuss?
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Yeah, it's a little inappropriate.
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Wow.
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And for the record, Levine transitioned in 2011, and she and her ex-wife divorced in
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2013.
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So it's not even like a recent thing that he could, you know, he's drawing from.
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This is a decade ago.
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What makes him responsible to tell you anything?
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No.
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Nothing.
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And because this is something, you know, the divorce is, you know, in the past, you can
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find a record of what people thought, if you're curious.
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Great.
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So for instance, Levine's ex-wife wrote a blog post in April 2012 that touches on the
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transition and how you can get through changes in life, even when it seems pretty difficult.
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And quote, often when we come out the other side of change, we got much stronger for having
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gone through the experience.
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It seems generally like the ex-wife was supportive of the transition.
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If I had to guess the, you know, the reason that she isn't going on shows to be interviewed
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about her ex-wife is because she doesn't want to.
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I don't know.
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It's weird that Tucker is acting this way.
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I mean, I just don't understand it.
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Yeah.
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I just don't understand it.
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Very strange.
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Yeah.
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It isn't even meaningful to ask any of this stuff at all.
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It's just insulting.
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Tucker spent the time writing this, recording it, and posting it because he wanted to mock
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someone for being trans.
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Yep.
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That is it.
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The end.
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He is the most important person in the world, according to Alex.
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I mean, that is... because there's no point, there's no change that can occur from watching
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that other than trying to radicalize people in a vicious, hateful manner towards trans
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people.
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There can be no other reason to make that as a media figure other than, I mean, if you're
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Tucker, if you're somebody with that kind of intentionality behind what you're doing,
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you know, there's no reason other than that.
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And to model behavior that you want your viewers to feel is appropriate ways to behave.
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Yeah, totally.
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And that's fucked up and irresponsible and bad.
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Yeah.
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So we have another clip.
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I mean, we're just going through the piece, so here we go.
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Not too long ago, this same man was a married pediatrician with kids lecturing about eating
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disorders at Penn State.
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Now, he's emerged as a pathbreaking lady admiral with medals on his chest.
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And he did all of that without winning a single naval battle or even being female.
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It's pretty inspiring.
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What we have here is living proof that in this country, you really can be whatever you
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want to be.
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If Levine can become Admiral Rachel, why can't you be Napoleon or Lord Mountbatten, the last
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viceroy of India?
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Ever see that guy's uniform?
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Or why not Shaka, the legendary Zulu war chief?
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You could bring your assegai and leopard hide shield to work at Deloitte and no one would
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be allowed to say a word about it.
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The HR department would have your back.
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I think there's plenty of reasons why you can't be specific people from history, but
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some people claim to be like Cleopatra in a past life and what have you.
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I don't know.
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So this is just disgusting garbage, but I wanted to take a second to point out how Tucker
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is insulting Levine's service and rank by saying she's never been in a naval battle.
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Does Tucker know when the last US naval battle was?
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So it was the Battle of Leyte Gulf in October 1944.
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That's considered by the Navy to be the quote, last sea battle between forces employing battleships.
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Anyone who was in that battle would have had to have been born in 1926 at the absolute
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latest.
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So it would be like 94 years old today.
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Tucker doesn't mean this insult because if he actually did, he would be impugning the
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service of every single person who served in the Navy past October 1944.
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He's just being a dick.
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The tactic, this is a tactic that folks like Tucker, they use to add the false pretense
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of reasonability to what they say.
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The implication is Levine isn't a real admiral because she's never won a naval battle, which
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contains the assumption that it would have been possible for her to do so.
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The subtext is that if she had won a naval battle, Tucker would then see her as a legitimate
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officer in the Navy, but because she hasn't, her career isn't respectable.
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Right.
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But here's another twist.
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Levine isn't an admiral in the Navy, where she might have been in naval battles or whatever.
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She's an admiral in the US Public Health Service Commissioned Corps.
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They often are deployed to natural disasters to provide logistics and health services and
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that kind of stuff.
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The admiral is whoever's the Assistant Secretary for Health.
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The vice admiral is the US Surgeon General.
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When the people who fill these positions are part of the Public Health Service Commissioned
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Corps, they're given these ranks as title.
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There was a situation during the Clinton administration that was really interesting where the Assistant
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Secretary for Health and the Surgeon General were the same person, this guy David Satcher.
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Though he was vice admiral through his office as the Surgeon General, he still was given
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the rank of admiral because of that higher office that he also existed in.
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However, in 2001, he was replaced as the Assistant Secretary for Health, but he remained the
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Surgeon General for another year after that.
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And during that year, his rank was reverted back to vice admiral because of the position
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of Surgeon General.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Point is, it doesn't quite work like other enlisted branches of service, and Levine couldn't
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have been in a naval battle if she wanted to.
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Tucker just hates her because she's trans, and he's trying to find any semi-reasonable
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sounding excuse to make this bigotry seem grounded in reality at all, like there's some
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sort of condition that she could meet that would make him not act this way, when in reality,
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no there's not.
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No, no, he wouldn't move the goalposts at all.
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I have no doubt that upon meeting this, because we've gone through this so many times in the
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past with conservative whining.
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They have these demands that we must meet, and then once we have met those demands, they
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go away.
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That's how it's worked.
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It always does.
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And that's why we continue meeting their demands like a bunch of fucking morons.
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It makes sense.
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It would be so funny if Levine would just pull out like, actually, I've won so many
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naval battles.
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What even is a naval battle that you can win?
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What are you even talking about?
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One time, I was on a sea do.
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What are we...
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And I ran into Blackbeard.
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We can fly now!
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Yeah, yeah, I know, I know.
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It's just, and it'd be silly to fight, we shouldn't even want to fight a naval battle.
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The resource management is silly, it's a terrible place to fight.
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It's inefficient on a number of levels.
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You can't even turn quickly.
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Yeah, that's why I didn't like Assassin's Creed Black Flag so much.
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Yeah, that's fair.
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Yeah, the turn radius on a boat is hard.
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It's hard to turn a giant boat.
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It's infuriating.
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Speaking of infuriating, let's get back into this.
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All right.
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Unfortunately, you can't actually do any of that.
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The point of Levine's amazing transformation is not to free you from the inflexible husk
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that you were born in so that you can be more fully yourself, whatever you decide that is.
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What?
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No, that's not the point.
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Levine's personal journey has nothing to do with you.
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It's about him, it's his journey.
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Your fantasies about becoming something totally new and different have not been approved yet.
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In fact, they're weird.
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Shaka, the Zulu war king?
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Come on, that's racist.
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Shut up and be proud of Admiral Rachel.
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I, Rachel L. Levine.
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She's the one who has smashed glass ceilings.
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You just got some kind of weird fetish.
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That's weird.
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He's implying, I guess, that if you wanted to be Shaka Zulu, you could be in the future
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once that's approved.
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And I don't know if that is good thinking, because I think people like Tucker like to
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try and make- They like to try and do slippery slope type
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dumb arguments.
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Well, but they also try to make gender and race or ethnicity into analogous things that
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people jump from one to another or whatever, in order to, it's always in service basically
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of delegitimizing trans existence.
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And I dispute the premise that they're analogous.
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It just doesn't work.
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If I understand what he's saying correctly, which is a very strange thing, because he's
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wording it thusly, he's wording it like, you have a desire to become something different,
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but you can't.
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Well, if that thing is becoming Shaka.
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Well, I mean, but he's still essentially saying to people, you can't do this thing.
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And he's saying that that's a bad thing?
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Well, here's what I think.
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He's saying that trans people are approved by the system, right?
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So that is okay.
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But the other, if you want to become, let's say you're a white person and you want to
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become black, that is not approved by the system.
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So you can transition gender, but you can't do these other things because the system hasn't
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approved of it yet.
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But of course, the underlying point that is behind this is according to him, you can't
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do any of it.
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Right.
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I was going to say, all of this is in your mind.
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This is all pretend Tucker, you're an insane person.
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You're mad at your own mind.
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You're mad at pretend.
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Yeah.
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And just making false equivalencies that are, I mean, they're not uncommon.
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It's something that you encounter a bit.
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People making those kinds of non-analogous arguments.
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But I just feel like when you're someone like Tucker, you know what, when we started doing
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some of these Tucker things, I told you I was surprised at how bad the show is just
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from a quality standpoint.
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One of the other things is I'm surprised by how unserious it is.
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It's incomprehensible.
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This is like a guy with millions and millions of dollars.
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He has free reign and an automatic audience from moving over from Fox.
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And this is episode eight.
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This isn't that far into his tenure.
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This is where he ends up.
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I want to put out a five-minute video insulting someone because they're trans.
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There's no thought behind this.
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There's no greater point.
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This is the real deal with Bill McNeil.
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Don't impugn the real deal with Bill McNeil.
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But it's the narrative arc of the real deal with Bill McNeil.
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So yeah, I'm just baffled by how little care or thought is in this at all.
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Right, but I mean, I feel like if he's telling this to an audience that is listening to him,
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then he is assuming that his audience is yearning for an opportunity to become something greater
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than what they are, something that they are maybe repressing, something that they're holding
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back.
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Maybe.
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And he's somehow making them go like, yeah, it's a good thing I am repressing that.
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Otherwise Tucker Carlson will bully me?
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I mean, that's certainly an unspoken element of this.
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It feels like that.
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But yeah, yeah.
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You know what I wonder?
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There's a part of me that wonders that like, so the first couple came out and there's some
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pretty big numbers and then it just petered out, just sort of, he was losing audience.
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The numbers for views were cratering.
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I wonder if this is kind of an attempt to bring in some shitheads or something.
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I wonder if this kind of an episode is meant just to be like bait for people to get mad
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at and then tweet about and get more attention and then also just bring in sophomoric bigots.
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I wonder if it's kind of a desperation move.
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Yeah, just like when Bill McNeil edited together Seinfeld's interview to make it look like
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Seinfeld was being a dick.
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Just to get views, man.
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I do think that dynamic might be at play.
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It does feel like that.
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Because the next thing after this was the way too long Andrew Tate interview.
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So it does kind of have a feeling of shit ain't working.
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I mean, it would feel like he kind of doesn't give a fuck, right?
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If he didn't...
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I can't imagine he gives a fuck.
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If he didn't put out a two and a half hour interview with Andrew Tate afterwards, right?
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You can't not give a shit at all about your show and then still be like, yeah, I'm going
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to put in two and a half hours with this monster.
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I suggest the exact opposite.
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Because if you cared, you might edit that thing down.
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That's a good point.
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That's a good point.
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On the other hand, I have also got a two and a half hour interview.
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You might want to chop that down to a presentable length where you can really make this sex
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trafficker look good.
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Same thing.
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Same thing for me with John Ronson.
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So we have another clip here.
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Keep going.
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And this is where I mean, like I've been confused a bit, but I think that this is where I really
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got confused.
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So actually, now that we're saying this out loud, it's pretty clear that Rovine has no
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interest in liberating you from anything.
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This is not about liberation.
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It's just the opposite.
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It's just another religious war, same as all the others.
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The people who think God versus everybody else.
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In primitive civilizations, which would include every civilization since the beginning of
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time until ours, people assumed there were rules, rules that no human being made, but
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that people could ignore only at their peril at great risk.
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Some called these rules nature or natural law, or even as society's advanced, theology.
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But most of the time, people didn't call them anything.
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They didn't have to.
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There wasn't a debate about whether the rules were real.
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People assumed there were consequences to pretending that you were God.
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They thought Sodom and Gomorrah were real places that were destroyed for disobedience.
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They imagined the same thing could happen to them.
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Not anymore.
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I'm very confused.
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Tucker, let me tell you something.
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I no longer imagine that it's possible for Sodom and Gomorrah to happen to me.
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I think that's a reasonable belief.
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I guess, you know, if you're trying to just put into simple language what he's saying,
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it's that trans people are God, or they think they're God, and they have violated natural
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law and that Sodom and Gomorrah is going to happen, or something.
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It's weird.
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Well, I mean, it is a common underpinning of the most religious beliefs of, like, God
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gave you a body.
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Don't fuck with it.
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Sure.
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But, you know, tattoos should be outlawed, ear piercing, all of this stuff.
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When I was growing up, that was the case, based on those Bible verses of, hey, don't
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fuck with your body.
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God gave it to you.
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That kind of thing.
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Body is a temple and all that.
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The problem is, you can either do all of that or none of it.
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You can't be like, hey, don't fuck with your body, except you can get a bunch of tattoos.
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You can't do that.
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Sure.
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Otherwise, you might as well say, fuck it.
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I don't care.
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But, yeah, what is the limitation of these primitive beliefs that they still hold true,
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that Tucker feels we do still need to hold onto?
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I mean, if I... Does he legitimately think a smiting is coming?
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I mean, I will absolutely agree with him if he is struck by lightning.
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If he is struck by lightning, I will change my life.
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I will believe that there are possible God-given punishments.
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You're taking a little bit of a gamble.
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I think I'm going to take that bet.
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Yeah.
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And you know what?
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Because I win either way.
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You don't have to change or Tucker gets struck by lightning, one of the two.
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It's very simple.
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Yeah.
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I just got confused, like this was the way that this was pivoting, just felt very strange
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to me.
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I don't really know what to make of it.
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I do like the conception, though, that every civilization up till ours has been primitive.
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That was fun.
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I appreciate somebody saying, oh, these people want to act like God.
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Now, obviously, I'm going to tell my millions of people how to behave.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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There is an irony.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I don't know what the, like, being God, like, I don't know what that means in this context.
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I mean, I think it is agency.
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I think it is essentially an agency.
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Either you believe that you have to do everything God says word for word, despite the fact that
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only Tucker is saying it, or you have control over yourself.
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And if you have control over yourself, then you are a God, or whatever it is.
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You know what?
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That's such a weird thing to be upset about for people who are, like, so invested in the
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individual, and so obsessed with personal liberty and shit.
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This is what we can do by ourselves.
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You can't do that!
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It's very weird.
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It's so inexplicable.
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Yeah.
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So, we have one last clip here, because it's a short report.
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What is there to say?
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And I just think that Tucker is a fucking weirdo and an asshole.
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Levine doesn't worry about being punished by forces he can't see.
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He knows he's in charge.
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He makes the rules.
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He sets the limits.
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Reality is what he says it is.
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That's his view.
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And he shares it with virtually everybody else in a position of authority in the United
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States.
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That's a pretty bold bet, really.
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For seven million years, human beings have believed one thing, presumably based on some
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evidence, around 2015 they begin convinced of something completely different.
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Are they right?
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It feels like we're going to find out soon.
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So yeah, I guess he does think there's a smite incoming.
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Wait.
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Yeah.
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What?
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What are you confused about?
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Everything?
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I mean, did he just Pascal's wager us?
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What just happened?
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Yeah.
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I think, did we just get Pascal'd?
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I mean, obviously there's the stupidity of like 2015 being a delineation point where
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trans existence was a thing.
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Yeah.
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Oh no, there's definitely no.
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When, I mean, Rachel Levine transitioned in 2011.
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So that's even before 2015.
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That's before 2015.
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Tucker.
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So I just can, I don't know.
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I really think that he's suggesting that divine retribution is likely to come upon us in a
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short period of time because of acceptance of trans people.
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I guess, I mean, you know, we're, we're back on the, oh, hurricanes are cause of gay marriage.
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You know, we're right back there.
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It really is.
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It's right back there.
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It is, except, well, I mean, it's not that much of a difference, but at least in that
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case there was an actual hurricane.
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Yeah, that's true.
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That's true.
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It was Pat Robertson being a dick after a hurricane.
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It wasn't after the fact, uh, accusation.
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It wasn't like a...
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This is something that may happen in the future.
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Whatever natural disaster occurs next.
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Right.
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We're just calling our shot on this one.
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I understand that it's not that much of a meaningful difference, but it is, it is, it
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is very similar.
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It is, um, it is a, um, threat essentially to the audience of like, Hey, I know that
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maybe the heartstrings of your humanity might get tugged at and just think that these people
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are people and, uh, you know, biblical retribution, Sodom and Gomorrah might be around the corner.
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Do you want to take that bet?
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He's essentially threatening people to not come any closer to, uh, embracing LGBTQ plus
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existence.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I, what, what I think is made clear here, uh, that I don't think, uh, is the intent
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or whatever, but is, is what is underpinning this, is that conflict that he described,
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you know, like she says reality is what she says it is.
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And I say it's not because God, you know, why have I have a better reason for saying
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what I am saying to you, but essentially what that means is God, he believes that this reality
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cannot coexist with any others.
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God's reality is the only one, which means everyone is subject to that regardless of
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what you believe or not.
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So that's not a coexistence.
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You can't coexist with that.
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It's it's, yeah, it's strange.
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And I would wonder like how frequently Levine's gender is an issue for Tucker directly.
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Like when is it ever like the dictating of reality for Rachel Levine in her own life?
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How does that affect Tucker and his reality at all?
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You know, I, it does not, unless you look at it like how you're talking about the, the
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reality is being unable to coexist.
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Yeah.
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I think, I mean, from like from talking to Talia, there's a part of me that thinks what
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it really is is a young girl saying to Tucker, like, no, about anything, you know, like at,
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at its heart, it comes back to what he is, is interacting with, and this is an expression
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of that.
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If I can control this, then I can get all of it.
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I can go all the way down.
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Every little girl has to do exactly what I say.
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Every single one of these people is under my control.
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That kind of thing.
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There's a power element to it.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah.
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There's a power, there's a control aspect.
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And then I do wonder too, and not because of the opinions expressed, because I don't
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think that these opinions are, you know, out of step with what you'd expect from Tucker.
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The presentation of it, the consistent misgendering, the dead naming, the bad jokes, the stupid
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presentation, like that aspect of it, I feel really does have to have some element of desperation
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in it.
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Like needing to like satisfy a crowd of some, of some sort.
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And that to me is, is kind of sad.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's, it is.
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I guess the desperate need for power is also sad.
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It's so sad because elementally this would be Tucker going up to a person and just repeating
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over and over and over again, you are not a person.
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You are not a person.
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You are not a person.
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Unless you exist the way I demand that you do.
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Right.
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And since you won't, I'm just going to keep repeating it.
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And it's like, it is, it's so obviously sad because look at me, I'm standing right here.
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You're the one who's acting insane.
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Yeah.
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I am a person.
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You can see me.
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I am here.
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This is what I am.
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Fuck you.
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Yeah.
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You're the person who's crazy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I, I mean, I, I don't know, I'm, I'm left with a lot of conflicting feelings, you know?
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I mean, not really.
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Fuck Tucker.
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And I think trash and conflicting feelings about concepts.
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Yeah.
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Not this.
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Oh, not even maybe concepts.
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I'm left with conflicting feelings of like, I'm not entirely sure exactly what the point
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of Tucker's episode was, why he felt the need to put it out outside of my theory about desperation
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and dwindling numbers.
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Yeah.
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But the other thing is like, I, what, what is he doing?
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What is he doing?
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Yeah.
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I just, I, I don't, I'm having an existential problem because of Tucker.
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Yeah.
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Like he's supposed to be like the big show is supposed to be big.
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I mean, he's supposed to do a good job.
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Like he has a staff.
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I believe.
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He has millions.
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I believe truly that if it is, if we have accepted that it is a wrong to defame somebody,
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in public words only, I agree that it is wrong to dead name somebody in public in the exact
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same way.
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Sure.
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And it should have the same consequences.
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It does in many, or not the exact same consequences, but it does have consequences in many settings.
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You know, social media has a number of rules.
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Sure.
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Like Twitter or X or whatever the fuck it is.
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Who cares?
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Wait, what?
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Twitter is changing its name apparently.
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Oh for God's sakes.
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I don't know.
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I've seen a bunch of tweets about this.
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Maybe it's a prank.
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Whatever.
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I don't care.
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Who cares?
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But yeah, like I, there are, there is, I, I, I guess here, man, it's so difficult to
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put my finger on what my tension is, but it's like disappointment in somebody who's supposed
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to be like a professional.
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Yeah.
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Like he's not even giving a shit about this.
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Yeah.
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And then also just that, like this is seen as acceptable by some people.
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Like it's, it's baffling to me that this level of meaningless anger and hate and bullying
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is is valuable to an audience in some way.
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That's very weird to me.
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I mean, you could stand in the middle of a crowd, listen to Tucker and my thought is
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just like, fuck you.
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You're not even trying as thunderous applause surrounds you, you know?
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So very, very strange.
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So let's think about it too, like in terms of his existence on Twitter and like obviously
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the numbers going down, I think are a reflection of like, well, when somebody is saying white
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nationalist shit on Fox News, it's very exciting for the right wing, but when someone's saying
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it on Twitter, they're voice number 10 million.
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Yeah, you're just yet another one of them.
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Yeah, you have a suit, but you know, that's about it.
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And the thing that like, it does feel like there's a desperation in this episode's tone
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and what have you, but it's a desperation in the wrong direction because even this is
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still just voice 10 million on Twitter saying this kind of hateful shit.
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This isn't special in any way in the way that I feel like Tucker would want it to be.
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Tucker's job on Fox News was to bring white nationalism to old people who aren't on Twitter.
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That's why we paid attention to him is because he was bringing it to people who could do
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shit.
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Now he's just on fucking Twitter.
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Bunch of assholes on Twitter, who gives a fuck?
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Yeah, it makes you wonder if the relevance was the broadening of the audience.
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That was where the power lied with Tucker.
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And I think that from everything that I've watched of the Tucker show on Twitter, I think
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that he made a bad gamble in thinking that his talent and himself is what was the driving
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force of the Tucker phenomenon.
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I don't think it was.
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I think it was Fox.
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When you lead a mob, you don't lead a mob.
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You're just at the front of it.
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And when the mob decides that you don't lead the mob, you find out you were never leading
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the mob.
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It's just that simple.
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And a really good way to lead the mob is have access to a bullhorn.
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And when that bullhorn is taken away from you, you are far less effective as the leader
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of the mob.
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We can't hear you!
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Right!
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You're on Twitter!
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Fuck Twitter!
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You're in the middle of the mob now!
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I still use a mail!
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But yeah, anyway, I'd like to apologize to people for bringing this to their attention.
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Oh boy.
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Because this sucked.
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I mean, it was bad.
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This is brutal.
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But yeah.
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We'll be back.
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Indeed we will.
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With another episode.
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Indeed we will.
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But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
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Indeed we do!
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep.
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We're also on Twitter.
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We are on Twitter.
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It's at knowledgefight.com.
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Yep.
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We will be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm D.C.
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X.
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Clark.
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Hey Alex, do you want to rethink that whole thing about Tucker being the most important
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man in America?
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Woo!
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Yeah!
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Woo!
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Yeah!
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Woo!
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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You're in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
