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Alex Jones (00:00:04.000)

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Dan (00:00:59.000)

Hey everybody, welcome back now this Friday I'm Dan Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of saline and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh,

Jordan (00:01:07.000)

indeed we are Dan. Dan. Question for you it's it's a great spot today but

Dan (00:01:12.000)

my bright spot is that this weekend was money in the bank. Oh come to you live from London. Oh yeah. They went to went over to the UK money in the bank. All right. pounds in I was about

Jordan (00:01:25.000)

to I was about to get there. I think they still use the word bank. Yeah. Yeah, I'm scared. Bank is spelled qu e right. Yeah.

Dan (00:01:34.000)

So you have the premise of the match of course. There's a briefcase on the top of a ladder or hanging from the ceiling that you have to get a ladder to get up to and then you grab it and inside is a contract that you can cash in at any time sure to become the champ it's a great anticipation your device on Yeah, a bunch of nonsense Absolutely. Anyway, I don't care about either of the matches those men's and women's I don't care about either of them because in the middle of the event, you hear the those familiar sounds. John Cena was there. Out of nowhere John Cena comes running out of the back.

Jordan (00:02:10.000)

I mean, what a thrill What is he gonna do it fast? 10 is over, right? Oh, peacemakers and even started again yet, because there's the writer strike going on. So yeah, you might as well show up.

Dan (00:02:21.000)

I really got excited. Probably more than I should have or had any reason to be because I don't even love John Cena that was gonna say I don't know you. I find him incredibly charming, but, but whatever. So I texted Marty. Oh my god. Yeah. And then I looked at the phone like why did I text him so anyway, John Cena out Sure. Does an incredibly pandering. You crowd here at lug? Did

Jordan (00:02:52.000)

you? Sure sure. Like all the people in

Dan (00:02:56.000)

the back? They're all worried because you guys yell too much. This is a hostile environment. When I say you are the best shirt, you know very much. First of all, I thought he was supposed to be the USA guy. Wow, what a marine and now he's fucking loving the Brit?

Jordan (00:03:12.000)

Was he gonna go apeshit on how they still have a monarchy and be like, What are you doing? They have an outsized amount of control over your government. Still, you think they're basic figureheads? But it's not true.

Dan (00:03:21.000)

I would have enjoyed it, I would have to so he was given this great speech. And then he his whole reason for being there, which was very unclear for minutes. While he was out there was to rile up the crowd by saying it's time to bring WrestleMania to London. Oh, that. And that was it. Well, here's the thing. What I started thinking, man, it would be funny if someone came out and their whole entire thing was they didn't want WrestleMania to be in London. And then John Cena beats them up. Yeah, absolutely. That'd be great.

Jordan (00:03:51.000)

That metaphorically, that's perfect. So jobs, he doesn't need to take long. He treads water for a little bit

Dan (00:03:57.000)

longer. And then this Australian guy comes.

Jordan (00:04:02.000)

He comes out. And he's like, I think we should

Dan (00:04:07.000)

end the job. So the very thing that I thought would be hilarious if it happened happened. And I was like, got a charge out

Jordan (00:04:16.000)

of that is great. Yeah, that is a feeling of somebody pulling it off correctly. Yeah,

Dan (00:04:21.000)

it went too long. But otherwise delightful. Exactly what it was supposed to be sure everyone went home happy. fantast and yep. So what's your red spot?

Jordan (00:04:31.000)

My bright spot is I finished Final Fantasy 16 You said that the

Dan (00:04:35.000)

last time we were recording? No, I didn't privately.

Jordan (00:04:38.000)

I mean, I understand that but I was but there's a new game plus me. Oh, that's right. A new game. Plus I didn't even start the game until I beat the game.

Dan (00:04:46.000)

I retract my steak. Yeah. Anyways,

Jordan (00:04:48.000)

I have a fantastic story. And you know what? It is very, very difficult to end things. Well, it's very difficult to

Dan (00:04:56.000)

is there multiple endings? Oh,

Jordan (00:04:59.000)

there's One, there's one ending eight culminates the a I mean, it puts together all the themes of the story. It's successful and everything it sets out to do. And I think honestly, what's amazing about it is that they got away with telling one of the most I mean, dangerous to capitalism stories that there's ever been data. I mean, essentially what this is, is imagine, I mean, here's the story. All right, Jesus, tries to free the slaves, realizes that it's actually God who is enslaved all of us. And instead of being like, Okay, I'm the son of God, they kill God, it comes out that is this actual

Dan (00:05:39.000)

Jesus, or metaphorical metaphorical jeep? Okay, because I feel like if it were literal, this would be trouble. But

Jordan (00:05:45.000)

again, that's what I'm saying. Like, this is so much like a story of a people over reliant upon one resource, and a guy who is saying to everybody, listen, it is a bad idea to keep doing this. And regardless of the harm, it will, cause we must remove the resource entirely. So the point is, he sets up the entirety of the people for 100 years of extreme misery in order to free them from an evil god who tries to, you know, make them over relying again on a specific resource.

Dan (00:06:18.000)

So when you say it's hard for it to end well, you don't mean for you as the player?

Jordan (00:06:24.000)

No, no, the story or the story? Yeah, as a writer, it's difficult for

Dan (00:06:27.000)

them. It was difficult to like wrap things up in a satisfying way. And then they pulled it all out. I

Jordan (00:06:33.000)

mean, Game of Thrones obviously isn't a corollary. You know, they they fucked it up. And in this story, they nailed it.

Dan (00:06:40.000)

I think it's time for a reassessment. I don't I don't.

Jordan (00:06:45.000)

You didn't even did you even watch it? Yeah,

Dan (00:06:47.000)

I did. Okay, you did? Yeah. I joined Game of Thrones a bit late. That's true. So I joined maybe in the fourth or fifth season or something like that. And I got up to speed and everything. And yeah, I don't know. I was like, I kind of liked these kids. But the rest of this is a little bit like I liked Arias adventures. And Brian was pretty cool. And spreading. I own hanging out with a tree. He's got a tree friend. Yeah. Well, who doesn't want a tree friend? I want a tree friend. So bad. Yeah. But all the politics and everything got it was annoying to me. It got in the way. Yeah. I was like, I want more of the magic stuff. And like, kind of like, why would people just get along and hang out and have fun with tree folk? Yeah.

Jordan (00:07:26.000)

Yeah, no, I mean, you know, I think Martin had a sort of magic should be the shark in Jaws view of Game of Thrones, where it's like, it's really there. But it's never quite it's not like people walking around shooting Thunderbolts at other people,

Dan (00:07:39.000)

that kind of thing. You know, yeah. But there are ice people who are constantly a threat. I'm not saying there aren't

Jordan (00:07:45.000)

ice people who are constantly a threat.

Dan (00:07:46.000)

Yeah. Maybe that last season wasn't as bad as people think it might have been. I don't know. I haven't thought about it. Since it happened. We don't have

Jordan (00:07:56.000)

to reclaim anything. I don't know. There was a few months ago or a year ago or whatever there was. There's a whole effort to reclaim Phantom Menace. Mankoff. That movie sucks. Wow, how dare you try and reclaim that? Oh, no, we need to critically examine it. We do not

Dan (00:08:12.000)

Alex is gonna charge in here like the Kool Aid man and kick your ass prequels. But he defended pod racing. How dare you is pod racing? It wasn't Greg Proops. It was a different person. I

Dan (00:08:25.000)

don't think he defended pod racing woods.

Jordan (00:08:27.000)

I think I apologize but said I had a great time. I made a lot of money.

Dan (00:08:31.000)

I'm Greg Proops. The whole time I should not have been at a Star Wars.

Dan (00:08:36.000)

So Jordan, today we have an episode to do. We're going to be talking about some tuck some Tucker. Now here's where things get messy. Work talk, we're going to be talking about episode six of his show. Sure. But this is episode three of our series about Tucker right. So how do we title it?

Jordan (00:08:55.000)

I mean, are they serialized?

Dan (00:08:57.000)

I mean, they're there's like an order of, you know, in terms of when they come out. Right, right. All right. So I don't I don't know whether we should call this episode three or episode six. Because if we call it episode six people are gonna be like, where's episode three, four and five? We call it episode three. It's actually episode six of Tucker's show that might confuse me.

Jordan (00:09:18.000)

All right, let me throw this out at you. All right. We call it episode three, tuck 60.

Dan (00:09:24.000)

No. Okay, I'll figure it out. I'm not gonna get any help from you clearly. You're gonna get jokes. come to you for serious advice.

Jordan (00:09:36.000)

This is what I get. Fair enough.

Dan (00:09:38.000)

I actually, I, you know, having some fun, but like, I really don't know what to title it. Because the first episode of the Tucker thing was about the first episode his second episode, but the second episode. I mean, by the time anyone's listening to this, it'll be the question. Yeah, they'll

Jordan (00:09:55.000)

have already figured it out. Anyway.

Dan (00:09:57.000)

Here's the reason we're doing some Tucker Alex was still out of town, doing his remote, sort of rented studio vibe thing where he's on the big screen. And Roseanne filled in, in studio shore on Friday. And it was, you know, her being on was huge and like bizarre. Yeah. And we talked about that when that happened. Yeah. And then the second time, it's not really all that bizarre anywhere. The seal has been broken. Yeah. And it's not like she was talking about anything that was all that interesting. I found it to be a dud. And so waste of time. Alex, while he's been in Florida, did a q&a at the Church of Pastor Howard Brown, Robert Howard Brown, whatever his name is, and it was hard to watch q&a. Yeah, yeah. What? Yep. q&a at the church.

Jordan (00:10:52.000)

I mean, of all listen, I mean, you even if you're a fan of Alex, q&a is a bad idea, right?

Dan (00:11:01.000)

I don't know. He's a performer. You know, like, he turns it on, you can see him turn it on. You can see him like, dodge questions in real time, kind of, but not not in any way that I felt like, Oh, this is interesting. There was one guy who was insisting that Alex debate the JQ with Nick Fuentes. And that,

Jordan (00:11:21.000)

you know, there's nothing quite more deserving of a house of house of God than I don't even like saying those two words. I don't. I don't like saying

Dan (00:11:32.000)

each other anymore. Yeah, Alex wasn't thrilled with it either. So you started yelling and the Holy Ghost sting. Got up, he stood up and the audience got on their feet is just such a distraction.

Jordan (00:11:48.000)

I've been given a translation of Alex by the Lord

Dan (00:11:51.000)

is horrible. Yeah. So then I was like, let's go to the past shows. I always love it's kind of, you know, self care for me when I get to spend time in the past. But unfortunately, march 2, and third were zero. Nothing is happening. Alex does not recant the story about Kerry hanging out with Anton LaVey. Why Woody? This was the only thing that I even found at all. Okay, this is from March 2. This was ridiculous.

Alex Jones (00:12:21.000)

That's why America is degenerating, I do have to say this, I can hardly go see any film. What open range or the Passion of the Christ or any the last few films I've seen paycheck, I saw that. I'm big fan of Philip K. Dick of a sci fi writer. I mean, it doesn't matter what movie you go to there, there will be five to 20 prying infants. And I mean, who does that just a few years ago, people didn't do that. We really are degenerating in this country. I mean, that's just an example. I mean, women look at me, like I'm weird when I open doors for them at restaurants or at a shopping mall. You know, older women don't, but young ones think you're hitting on them or something new, you're opening a door for me? Well, I'm sorry, my mama taught me to do that. It's, and I'm not even that polite or nice of a person. I got I got my own problems. I'm pretty aggressive. Right? It's just I sit there in movies, and I can never have suspend disbelief. Because, you know, mainly the third world populations are here. And then they just think you bring babies to movies, you might as well just, you know, move to China or or move to, you know, Venezuela or something. I don't understand it.

Dan (00:13:38.000)

Yeah, that took a weird turn at the

Jordan (00:13:40.000)

that was that was very odd. Yes. I mean, you know, in comedy. Yeah. You know, I've heard plenty of the black people in movie theaters, trope type jokes. That's

Dan (00:13:50.000)

not quite what he's doing. No, that's

Jordan (00:13:51.000)

what that's the thing. That's very strange, strange interpretation of it.

Alex Jones (00:13:56.000)

He's complaining about

Dan (00:13:57.000)

the inability to suspend disbelief to get into a movie, right? Because there are babies there, which I would argue that Alex lives in a constant state of suspended disbelief. Yeah, he sees demons everywhere he goes, Yeah. But I thought like, Oh, this is fine. This is kind of like a trite point that he's making. And he's saying that society is deteriorating, because babies are movies, and I'm annoyed by it. Then bringing in third world immigrant populations as like, they're the one baby

Jordan (00:14:29.000)

baby burgers. Like I don't even know what that that's not even a stereotype.

Jordan (00:14:33.000)

Exactly.

Dan (00:14:34.000)

It's a bigotry that like you could never see coming as it was. It was fantastic. Listening to it, but I was like, there's nothing else going on here. Yeah, so there's no episode for that. Brutal. Yeah. Yeah. So we're gonna cover Tucker because of this. Right challenge of content. Yeah. And so we'll do that. But before that, let's say hello. Yes.

Jordan (00:14:59.000)

That's the pre ample.

Dan (00:15:00.000)

So first Ryan and Lena, thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

Alex Jones (00:15:04.000)

I'm a policy wonk,

Jordan (00:15:05.000)

thank you very much.

Dan (00:15:06.000)

Next in the fuck you and your horse you rode in on technocrat sound clip Alex is babbling translates to I'm the devil. I've got to be taken off the air. I did all this. Bah bah, bah, bah, bah. Thank you so much. You're an owl policy. Well,

Alex Jones (00:15:19.000)

I'm a policy wonk. Thank

Jordan (00:15:20.000)

you very much.

Dan (00:15:21.000)

What a translation. Yeah, that's true. Next, really loving the show. Keep up the great work, hopefully Jordans writing something new. That will get I will get to read in the future and maybe get to meet you in September. So you can sign a copy of your book for me. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

Alex Jones (00:15:38.000)

I'm a policy wonk.

Dan (00:15:39.000)

Thank you very much. Fuck you think we're gonna be in September. Oh, wait, we already said we're gonna be we're gonna be in Manchester. Next, I walk it to the east. I won't go to the worst. I'll walk it to the policy that I love best. I'll be walking. You're now policy walk.

Alex Jones (00:15:56.000)

I'm a policy wonk. Thank

Jordan (00:15:57.000)

you very much.

Dan (00:15:58.000)

Next someone's got to come up with a dark end of the street. parody for the lungs. Yeah, you have made policy in the backseat of a car I don't even know how to do it. I remember one time I'm a policy and

Jordan (00:16:14.000)

I don't know how that's that's somehow more uncomfortable for me than usual.

Dan (00:16:19.000)

That's where that's where people go you know the dark end of the street make

Jordan (00:16:22.000)

to make policy. Yeah.

Dan (00:16:24.000)

Some people the rich people to go out on a boat and make policy some people go way up in an airplane somewhere and make policy that for those of us who don't have nothing, and he never had to have anything that sounds we get ourselves into dollars words gas

Jordan (00:16:42.000)

congressional aide pickup line like hey, do you want to go make some policy with me like that's, that's

Dan (00:16:49.000)

Next, you need to close. You need to close to the toilet lid and porta potties for them to work properly and not smell. Thank you so much. You are now policy one.

Alex Jones (00:16:58.000)

I'm a policy wonk.

Dan (00:16:59.000)

Thank you very much good an extra word in there. So also we got to take the ground in the mix Jordan so thank you so much to zap rouse dower and the rise tower mobile. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat.

Alex Jones (00:17:10.000)

I'm a policy wonk.

Jordan (00:17:11.000)

Thank you very much.

Alex Jones (00:17:13.000)

For your brilliant someone Someone saw tonight sent me a bucket of poop daddy sharp. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black action. He's a loser. Little little Katie baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ. Thank you so much.

Jordan (00:17:30.000)

Thank you very much.

Dan (00:17:31.000)

My dad. It was a big old man. I can see you with some policy in his hands. policy. We never heard

Jordan (00:17:40.000)

this. That's our that's your ending bit. Now. You just put policy in song and

Dan (00:17:46.000)

Clarence Carter's? Absolutely. Caring for just a few bounces? No, slip away doesn't work. Yeah, that's fair. So we're going over number six. All right, in the line of Tucker monologue, right? He's, he's stretching out a little bit. He's doing a little more time. This one's about 18 minutes long. Okay, so it's very dumb. That sounds right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So here we go. We'll start and you'll get the theme right away.

Tucker Carlson (00:18:20.000)

Okay. Hey, it's Tucker Carlson. Been a candidate for president the media hated more than Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Surely thought that title belongs to Donald Trump. Of course it must. But go check the coverage. Trump got a gentle scalp massage by comparison when he announced when Trump rolled out his presidential campaign in 2015. The New York Times waited until the 17th paragraph of the story to attack him. But as well known as he is the paper said at the time, Trump is also widely disliked. Then they cited a poll to back it up. That was the attack on Trump. Eight years later, the Times attack Bobby Kennedy, in the very first sentence of the story, quote, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. The paper declared announced a presidential campaign on Wednesday, built on re litigating COVID-19, shutdowns and shaking Americans faith in science. were shaking Americans faith in science. Imagine if you were an ordinary New York Times subscriber reading that over coffee in your pre war rent control duplex on Columbus Avenue what you'd think Bobby Kennedy just declared war on the enlightenment, my fellow Americans, I have come to shake your faith in science. Join me as I drag our nation back to the medieval period. You'd be appalled.

Dan (00:19:37.000)

I imagine those readers already wouldn't know who Robert F Kennedy Jr. is. I would assume I need I reading the times you probably have an awareness you've created

Jordan (00:19:45.000)

a very strange fictional human being for 2023 You know like that. That's not that can't be that many people anymore probably not know that most of their people were you or rent control rent controlled apartments most of the people who had rent Control departments died a long time ago, right?

Dan (00:20:02.000)

I don't know. I'm not sure. I don't have a lot of experience with that. I

Jordan (00:20:05.000)

think that's evidence of my claim, man, perhaps.

Dan (00:20:08.000)

So what do you think about this premise, though, that RFK Jr. is the most hated candidate ever more than Trump?

Jordan (00:20:14.000)

I agree. I kind of don't even think that that was an insult in their first No, I don't either. I don't think there was an insult. I

Dan (00:20:20.000)

think that was descriptive.

Jordan (00:20:21.000)

I mean, honestly, I think that was a little bit like,

Dan (00:20:25.000)

deserved. Yeah, it certainly could have been a little harsher. Yeah, absolutely. But But But back to so you would say no,

Jordan (00:20:32.000)

no, I would say no, I would say that around. Not too far into the campaign season of video was released of Trump saying you should grab them by the pussy. Yeah, no, I remember that. I did happen that happened. And I don't know if I've ever hated anybody more than everybody who's like, but the

Dan (00:20:53.000)

locker room to the media didn't even really go too hard on that, which is, again, amazing, because we're not talking about the most hated politician. We're talking about the media treating them the hardest. Okay. And I think that Trump for everything that was insulting that was that about him in the past? No, he was not treated as harshly as he should have built. No, absolutely. Nor is Robert Kennedy Jr. But I would say that neither of them probably get the title. I mean, what about like Ross Perot, I'm used he was given a pretty shit. There's definitely that Ralph Nader. You got beat up pretty good.

Jordan (00:21:27.000)

No, any any any closeted gay politician ever.

Dan (00:21:30.000)

David Duke,

Jordan (00:21:32.000)

David Duke, I don't think he got that match of Richard Spencer was treated very, very nicely. I think they treated David

Dan (00:21:39.000)

didn't run for President. No. David Duke ran for president

Jordan (00:21:43.000)

and he almost won. No.

Dan (00:21:46.000)

I'm saying I'm saying that there. But there are other people who the media was Lyndon LaRouche, although Roush Lillooet little ruse was not treated nicely by the press.

Jordan (00:21:55.000)

Yeah. LaRouche made it to the news radio joke room, Pat Robertson,

Jordan (00:22:00.000)

also ran for president. Now he was given a lot of he was given a lot more he was given a TV show for fucksakes. Did he

Dan (00:22:06.000)

give himself that TV show? That's fair. So anyway, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. is obviously the premise of this piece. Because, you know, I mean, the Tucker is very invested in the Democratic primary. Yeah, I'm very concerned about who the Democrats pick.

Jordan (00:22:24.000)

I think this is I think, what I feel like it's starting to come to my theoretical understanding of this is that they're trying to push RFK Jr. for the primary in the same way that some people tried to push Trump for the primary as like, Hey, listen, it's crazy. It's crazy bad. But if we get it in there, we're going to change the window. Well,

Dan (00:22:46.000)

and somewhat also the last time around with Tulsi, she had all of the people who were the, you know, sort of right wing folks saying that like, oh, you know, get Tulsi in there. That's gonna be the key was the favorite, Democratic primary candidate, right. The Right, right. RFK is basically that Yeah, yeah. But it's like, way worse. In many ways. If I was the Democrat

Jordan (00:23:13.000)

who was like, looking around at my rally and being like, yeah, we can do it. And there's a bunch of Nazis. I'd be like, maybe I shouldn't run for president.

Dan (00:23:21.000)

I would if I were in a debate with Robert Kennedy. Like if he gets to that stage. Yeah, I would not even address him. Anyway, the media is mean. Yeah, probably not as mean as I'm gonna be, but they're mean. The LA

Tucker Carlson (00:23:32.000)

Times called him a threat to democracy. At the offices of National Public Radio in Washington, a full blown Category Five hysteria, Typhoon broke out. NPR devoted an entire segment to savaging Kennedy, not just as a candidate, but as a human being. And PR described him as someone who, for his own perverse reasons, has made, quote, debunked, and false and misleading claims that undermine trust in vaccines, and who, in his spare time, provides moral support to crazed extremists who quote, rally under the banner of what they call liberty or freedom. People Magazine didn't even bother to report a single word of anything Kennedy said at his announcement. Yeah, and instead wrote a story about how his relatives hate him. Yeah.

Jordan (00:24:16.000)

Well, the story was about how his relatives hate him and not about his true yeah,

Dan (00:24:20.000)

and all the stuff that he was saying that NPR said is true. Like, oh, that's just saying it in a derisive tone. It doesn't make it any less like fair. Oh, you go to the store on Wednesdays? Yeah. Might you say it like that?

Jordan (00:24:34.000)

I don't know. It's weird. It's

Dan (00:24:35.000)

weird. Also a Category Five hysteria. Typhoon is great. Someone's taking a creative writing class. That's a person who's hired by talker I

Jordan (00:24:43.000)

think it's a real evocative imagery.

Dan (00:24:45.000)

It is. Yeah, if we were workshopping, that'd be like well done.

Jordan (00:24:49.000)

I think I appreciate that because they lived in an alternate reality so much that it's controlled by you know, their own perceptions and projections right. If you're a Tucker listener listening to this, then you think yeah, Tucker is saying that NPR savaged him because we think that media networks savage people, because we watch Tucker, right. Probably. PR hasn't savaged anyone in their entire existence. They go. I really don't appreciate his policy positions, but I think we can respect each other's differences. And while we can't come to a compromise, I think it's still possible for us to say goodbye as as equals. So thank you very much, Robert.

Dan (00:25:34.000)

What do you think the fox equivalent of like Lake Wobegon would be

Dan (00:25:46.000)

if they had a Garrison Keillor type who is just telling old quaint stories about an angry angry fucking town just chased off outsiders.

Jordan (00:25:57.000)

I mean, isn't that isn't that the inverse of Tucker said get a doc he was sick with a with a very derisive Toad, a Garrison Keillor bid like he went to the goddamn store on Wednesdays. Yeah.

Dan (00:26:11.000)

So yeah. RFK is views. You know, they people say they're bad. I think they're great.

Tucker Carlson (00:26:17.000)

Kenny jealous sister Carrie, the magazine reported solemnly does not approve of Bobby Jr's harmful views, his harmful views. Bobby Kennedy's thoughts alone are evil enough to hurt people. That's been the tone of the media coverage run Bobby Kennedy Jr. For the past 18 years.

Dan (00:26:36.000)

Obviously Tucker is saying that RFK is ideas are evil enough to hurt people as a way of mocking the very notion that such a thing as possible, but that's really dumb. And someone's pushing a false ideology that leads people to make misinformed and dangerous choices as it relates to their health care and the health care of say their children. Yeah, those ideas are capable of hurting people. And Tucker knows that. This is the i, i There is stupid. And like that. Yeah. Talk to me about that, too.

Jordan (00:27:03.000)

No, no, no, that this is one of the things that somebody says that I really think has to be like, you and I both know what's going on. And my response to that is all right. And then we stop like I can't, if you're not going to acknowledge what you just did. There's no point in us continuing to talk, you know?

Dan (00:27:19.000)

Sure. And that's probably why, you know, we don't want to talk to Tucker. Yeah, absolutely. We can talk about him. That's why

Jordan (00:27:24.000)

NPR didn't savage.

Dan (00:27:27.000)

Wait till they do. Fuck, I can't remember. What do you know? Isn't that a show on NPR? On pure Saturday mornings. Michael Feldman.

Jordan (00:27:39.000)

I've never listed No, no, no, you didn't listen to Prairie Home Companion. Never. Wait, was that? That was? Yeah. And I was a kid

Dan (00:27:47.000)

and listen to Celtic connections. No, I didn't listen to that. Even listen to hearts of space

Jordan (00:27:52.000)

once. I've never chose it. I've never been like, let's put on NPR. But you've already

Dan (00:28:01.000)

read the newspaper question. You know, there's the news that all things considered.

Jordan (00:28:05.000)

I've never actively listened to NPR.

Dan (00:28:08.000)

Every day it was on in my household. That's my parents listening to that. Damn, that's NPR. That's nuts. Yep. Yeah. Listen to that. That Irish music,

Jordan (00:28:18.000)

obviously, obviously. Obviously, it's better. But I feel like that is just as much an annoyance as if somebody has Fox News on all day every day.

Dan (00:28:27.000)

Well, yeah, I guess it wasn't all day. But it was like, you know, there were things on the weekends when people were home that like they listened to regularly. So it was like, Saturday mornings. Maybe it was Sunday mornings. I can't remember the day Exactly. But there in the mornings, there was what do you know, with Michael Feldman? There was there was a fun quiz type game show. Sure, sure. And then there was a Prairie Home Companion. And then in the evening, there was Celtic connections and hearts of space. Right. And then every day when like, they'd be cooking dinner, you know, they'd have all things considered on gotcha, gotcha. I think I think the reason that it's less toxic maybe than Fox News is that like, some of it is entertainment. Like, you know, obviously Garrison Keillor's a weirdo creep, ya know, that at the time that nobody did. I mean, he's on the radio at the time. He's a just folksy storyteller. And, you know, there's that, like, parts of space and Celtic connections, just music. You know, it's not even like it's not even someone yelling. politically. Yeah, so I don't know. Oh, my God. I wish it wasn't an hour just of Celtic. Nice. Yeah. And then another hour of weirdos space. Techno

Jordan (00:29:39.000)

at a certain point, it just becomes MTV in the 90s just playing music videos.

Dan (00:29:44.000)

Oh, I would love that. I really okay, now I would love curated by Tucker, but it has to follow the format of Sunday's on NPR.

Jordan (00:29:55.000)

Furious hearts of space.

Dan (00:30:00.000)

Well, actually, I mean, like hearts of space was a show that it would explore themes. And so there'd be like, anger, or like, heartbreak or whatever. And then the music would explore that. I feel like

Jordan (00:30:13.000)

a lot of

Dan (00:30:15.000)

it would just be like, we, but that bleed was like a comment go I'm sure.

Jordan (00:30:22.000)

I'm gonna have to go with Dameron being on on repeat.

Dan (00:30:27.000)

Anyway. Yeah. Clearly don't want to talk about Robert. Nope. But we must. Okay. So anyway, the media has hated him for a really long time, and rightfully so.

Tucker Carlson (00:30:39.000)

That's been the tone of the media coverage around Bobby Kennedy Jr. For the past 18 years since July of 2005. That's the moment that Kennedy published a magazine article suggesting there might be a link between the rise in diagnosed autism cases and the ever expanding schedule of mandatory childhood vaccines. The day that story was published, Kennedy's reporting was considered so solid that two out sorry one simultaneous reporting stone and salon.com Unfortunately, neither one of them understood what they were up against. The pharma lobby rolled out the most ferocious public relations campaign in memory. And both publications swiftly caved both pulled the story and then disavowed in groveling as they did. No one in the national media bothered to explain why autism diagnoses had skyrocketed. If it wasn't the vaccines and maybe it wasn't then what was it? To this day, there has not been a convincing explanation. Instead of reporters just attack Bobby Kennedy.

Dan (00:31:37.000)

Tucker sure is having a lot of fun with details. Yeah, I was gonna say the piece that Kennedy wrote in 2005, was titled deadly immunity and he was making the argument that Thimerosal in vaccines were responsible for the rise in cases of autism salon didn't cave to Big Pharma pressure, they were bombarded with corrections and had to add five different major corrections to the story in the immediate days after publishing that an editor said quote went far in undermining Kennedy's expose a, the media didn't hate Kennedy for this article. If he's even hated at all, it's because of all the shit he's he says that's long debunked, and he just continues spreading the same bullshit, pretending that no one has provided any reason that he's wrong, right. And when that doesn't work, he just moves goalposts. If he'd published that article, then seen the corrections and said, Oops, my bad, then no one would be mad at him. It might lead to a reconsidering of his credibility and his ability to investigate things, but he would show a measure of goodwill, and people will be like, Man, whatever it happens. Instead, he's just doubled down and led tons of people down a really dangerous road. And guess what ding dong people not having an easy answer for the question of autism diagnoses doesn't mean that Kennedy just might be right. Because that's the game that Tucker's trying to play, insinuating that because no one's fully solved this issue that leaves some room that Kennedy could be right, he has given an explanation. Sure. And guess what else ding dong, there are a number of very well understood reasons why autism diagnoses have gone up. One is greater awareness in the wider population of the autism spectrum with a greater likelihood the parents, you know, will seek out appropriate care. And that'll likely come with a diagnosis. There's also, you know, some screening that people do in well child visits. Now, that wasn't routine before, but it's become more now. Yeah, there's also a number of other ideas like genetic predispositions, but the vaccine link has been investigated and found to be bullshit. And yet Kennedy pushes the same shit that he pushed years ago. And that's why people hate him and Tucker fucking understands this. It's nonsense. He's playing a weird game where maybe he's right. Yeah,

Jordan (00:33:41.000)

yeah. I mean, I agree with everything that you said. And I think that those are good concerns. But my biggest issue is, whoever gives him adjectives should be fired and in trouble talk because yeah, these are a little overwrought. Maybe look, they have a fucking grovel that the vid just when you're in a creative writing class, it's a process that's saying this is a high school student. They're in the middle of semester judging up a little bit

Dan (00:34:15.000)

of anything good. But look, you see little signs that there's

Dan (00:34:20.000)

progress like Jesus Christ, GABA doubt. Yeah,

Jordan (00:34:26.000)

I was tired.

Dan (00:34:27.000)

So if you're wondering why this is happening, it probably is because Robert Kennedy was on Rogen. Oh, for fucksakes. Tucker is gonna play a clip of that.

Tucker Carlson (00:34:36.000)

At this point, most Americans have heard a lot more about Bobby Kennedy Jr. than they've heard from him. Bobby isn't getting any offers to speak from big platforms. But last week, Joe Rogan gave him one. Here's some of what he said.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. (00:34:49.000)

Why do you five of my seven kids have allergies? And it's it and of course we know why. Because aluminum adjuvants give you allergies, they're designed to make you you know, create a hyper immune response to, to, you know, to foreign particles. What and the last category is the allergic diseases, peanut allergies, food allergies. Eczema, which I'd never knew anybody with eczema when I was a kid, I never asthma. I knew people with asthma. But it wasn't one in every four black kids like it is today. So you know, all of those things. Now, we went from 6% of American having chronic disease. By 1986. We're starting to add the vaccines and we have 11.8% of kids now, so it's doubled.

Tucker Carlson (00:35:47.000)

Why do five of my seven children have allergies? Now? We don't know the answer, of course. But it's an interesting question. In fact, it's an important question that deserves an adult answer not that you should hold your breath waiting to get one. Bobby Kennedy asked a lot of questions like that he notices things Kennedy pays attention to the world around him. And he wonders why it's changing.

Dan (00:36:07.000)

Bobby Kennedy is not wondering why his kids have allergies. He asked that as a rhetorical question then gave his answer. Tucker is acting like this guy is just out here noticing things and playing the role of an observational comic pointing out things that seem weird. Kennedy is not doing that. He's using his children's allergies to push his anti Vax worldview. There are a lot of theories about the rising number of people with allergies, but there isn't a full consensus on the matter. One of the most popular theories has to do with children being exposed to less micro organisms early in life than they were in the past. But there's another co founding factor that's difficult to deal with. And that is it way more people think they're allergic to things than actually are allergic. According to a paper published in 2018, in the International Journal of Environmental Research and Public Health, quote, currently, the majority of available data is based on self reporting, which generally overestimates food allergy prevalence by a factor of three to four. People aren't reliable reporters of whether or not they're allergic to something or really just don't like it, or maybe they got sick from it once and decided it was an allergy. I've been guilty of that. Even myself. Sure. I thought I was allergic to avocados. I think it was just because I got sick, eating some bad guacamole when I was younger, and I, you know, made a bad dataset. Based on everything else I know about Robert Kennedy, Jr. I am going to have some healthy skepticism about whether or not five of his children actually do have allergies. Yeah, maybe they do. Maybe they don't. But you the thing to note about this that is really important about the way Tucker is playing this game is he's acting like he's just asking questions, when in fact, Robert Kennedy is making very emphatic statements. Yeah, this is not questions. Well, that's

Jordan (00:37:47.000)

but that's the trick there is because he's asking rhetorical questions. If you leave off that he gives answers at the end of it. Then you give the viewer the idea of this person being an open minded truth seeker. And then when you go listen to it, you come back and you say, Oh, this open minded truth seeker has found an answer. Not just is asking questions anymore. And because they know he's an open minded truth seeker. I can trust him. Yeah, it's dumb. Is that what he sounds like all the time? Have you ever heard him speak before? Yeah.

Dan (00:38:18.000)

I regret not knowing the specifics, but he had some health condition that led to I apologize that I don't know the details. But yeah, he had some health thing a number of years ago. So he has a throat.

Jordan (00:38:35.000)

Okay, well, then he won't be president. So I'm not worried.

Jordan (00:38:38.000)

Well, he sounds like that all the time. People are shallow,

Dan (00:38:41.000)

but maybe not. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think it's disqualifying necessarily. His ideas are disqualifying. Oh, I

Jordan (00:38:49.000)

don't I think his ideas are disqualifying. But I think that the reason?

Dan (00:38:53.000)

So look, he's you know, he says the Robert Kennedy. Bobby is really observant. He sees things he notices things. He's a falconer. Sure

Tucker Carlson (00:39:03.000)

why Bobby Kennedy asked a lot of questions like that he notices things Kennedy pays attention to the world around him. It's about any wonders why it's changing. He's an outdoorsman of Falconer and a fly fisherman. He's interested in how nature works. He's curious. Not so long ago, these qualities were considered essential to the practice of science. All scientific discovery comes from observation and Pearson, patient watching. Without the willingness to put aside your pre assumptions and assess with honesty, the things you see and touch and smell the changes taking place right in front of your face. You can't do science. You can't create art, either or journalism or theology. You have to be willing to notice the obvious and they tell you you're not allowed to notice the obvious, okay, and you should be concerned. Imagine you're on a commercial airline flight. The plane is just leveled out at 37,000 feet, you're closing your eyes for a nap, and suddenly you smell smoke, and it's not your imagination. You can see it it's starting to fill the happen all around you. People are hacking and choking. The guy in the next seat has a napkin pressed against his mouth. And he's mumbling what sounds like Psalm 23 tell you the shadow of clearly the airplane is on fire. Okay, but almost unbelievably, no one has said a word about it not there's a ban on the flames acknowledging this. Everyone is silent. So in panic, you yell for the flight attendant. There's smoke in the cap, and you say as if she hasn't noticed. But she stares at you with heart eyes, shut up racist. She replies, that's a dangerous Russian conspiracy. Stop spreading misinformation are all called TSA. I have rested when you land. That sounds like a fever dream, the social experience of living in the United States at the moment, not for me,

Dan (00:40:47.000)

doesn't sound at all. That's a genuinely funny.

Dan (00:40:53.000)

Look, Kennedy, you can be as stoic and observer as he wants. But he's not a scientist. No amount of hiking and playing with falcons is going to change that. But I don't really care. I want to talk about Tucker's metaphor, because I think there's something slightly off about Oh, yeah. In the context of talking about Robert Kennedy, the points of comparison are pretty obvious. The people coughing and the smoke in the cabin are things like more people having allergies, or there are more autism diagnoses than there used to be. Kennedy is seeing those things and pointing them out. And people are yelling him down as a racist or a Russian conspiracy theorist, when in actuality, he's just being observant and pointing out the things that he's seeing, and no one else wants to accept. But here's the problem with the metaphor. Kennedy isn't observing things and pointing them out, he's also ascribing a reason for the things happening, and he's wrong. He says that vaccine vaccines are doing all the things like causing allergies and autism. So in the plane metaphor, what he'd actually be doing is yelling at the flight attendant about what he's decided is causing the smoke in the cabin. But he'd also be wrong. Maybe Kennedy will be telling the flight attendant that the way landing gear installed, create fires, but in reality, it was just someone vaping in the bathroom, then Kennedy would start a lifelong, highly funded campaign to get rid of landing gear on planes, and then you'd marry Cheryl Hines. My point is that this metaphor is dumb. Tucker is trying to play fast and loose about what Kennedy does. He doesn't observe the world and ask questions. He has a dogmatic answer to those questions already in place. And whatever observations he does have are merely meant to prop up the already determined conclusion that he's based his life on Yeah, so fuck off.

Jordan (00:42:29.000)

Yeah. Yeah. It's Cheryl Hines on the plane in this metaphor, though. She's the one on the wing. Tucker didn't make that clear. And I feel like that's a huge detail for me. It depends on it at that chair that changes everything. Because then I want the plane to Abby, and I've gotten off

Dan (00:42:43.000)

of there. Yeah. I mean, it's just, it's dumb. Because I get I get the point that he's trying to make. But there is such a refusal to accept that, like, this is not just a person who's like, pointing things out and observing things. That's, that's the entire shell game he's playing. And it's, it's, it's ridiculous to anybody who has any, like familiarity with the people involved, or the history of this.

Jordan (00:43:11.000)

No, I think what I find so fascinating about that, is that from the writing of that, I do feel like all I would need to do to make a solid bit about that as be like, Oh, Tucker is saying things like and then say that word for word, and people will laugh at it at the beats. If you just change the inflection points, and you call them the beats and the timing don't let me

Dan (00:43:33.000)

is a bit but let me ask you this. What's that? From a creative writing perspective? Sure. Pretty good.

Jordan (00:43:39.000)

No, that's why it's a bit is because it's overwritten. It's been way too dramatic High

Dan (00:43:45.000)

School staffer is getting better.

Jordan (00:43:46.000)

Well, that's true. I will say that there is a there is a full narrative conclusion there.

Dan (00:43:53.000)

There is a problem that like the entirety of the pieces uneven internally and just taken as a whole. Yeah, there's a little bit of a problem there. So look, man, there's something going on. But no one no one admits it. Much like the plane with the smoke, right?

Tucker Carlson (00:44:08.000)

All around you things seem to be fraying and getting worse. Your gut tells you there's something very bad going on. And all the evidence suggests that there is but the people in charge won't acknowledge that everything's fine. They scream stop noticing. But wait. I don't remember this many kids having allergies or asthma or eczema or autism or for that matter, body dysmorphia. And why so many suicides? What's going on here? Shut up, stop asking questions. That's their answer. But Bobby Kennedy won't stop asking and that's why they hate him.

Dan (00:44:40.000)

So all the things that Tucker brought up, there's pieces of evidence that there's something really bad going on, or things that serious people study and questions are asked about them all the time. The people people are not being like don't look at this. No, no, no.

Jordan (00:44:52.000)

I mean, the idea that someone in America is saying things are fine is unAmerican, since this Country was born everyone bitches about everything. It's it's

Dan (00:45:03.000)

honestly a bizarre idea to to say like all of this stuff the people in charge by the way who are the people in charge? very unspecific totally. They're just like, oh, everything is fine. This is all do everything is good. No, no, of course, countless pages of media have been written on these topics and for Tucker to pretend otherwise is honestly embarrassing. And again, No one hates Kennedy for asking questions. They hate him because he won't stop making the same debunked arguments he's been making for years. Yeah, that's it. Yeah.

Jordan (00:45:34.000)

I mean, I genuinely believe this. And I think this is kind of funny. In light of Tucker's comments is like, if we had a full on tech, you know, recording of every single American's day on the day he recorded this, I guarantee before 8pm Every human being would have been like, this is not fine about something. Sure, every single one of us but that but

Dan (00:45:58.000)

what about the people in charge who are not specified and we don't know who they are? See, those

Jordan (00:46:03.000)

are the people with that we have documented video of saying this isn't fine on that day.

Dan (00:46:07.000)

I beg to differ. I just heard a very reputable source named talker. Tell me that they don't

Jordan (00:46:14.000)

people are screaming pigs are fine.

Dan (00:46:16.000)

Yes, sure. So Robert Kennedy was on Rogen. But then someone advice wrote an article about him being on Rogen

Tucker Carlson (00:46:24.000)

as Kennedy spoke on the Rogen show reporter for vice.com called Anna Merlin was watching Hi Anna Merlyn was so enraged by what she saw that she dashed off an article attacking Joe Rogan's employer for allowing the conversation to take place. Spotify has stopped even sort of trying to stem Joe Rogan's vaccine misinformation, read the headline. The piece never even described much of what Bobby Kennedy had actually said. Marylyn dismissed the entire interview was, quote, a detailed survey of Kennedy's most dangerously incorrect views. A far too extensive list to outline in full. In other words, we hear advice don't have time to describe all of Bobby Kennedy's lies, but trust us. They were lies. Look at that

Dan (00:47:08.000)

delivery. Yeah, that

Jordan (00:47:09.000)

was that was probably his worst.

Dan (00:47:11.000)

That was Tucker getting fancy. Yeah, that's

Jordan (00:47:13.000)

cute. That's troublesome.

Dan (00:47:15.000)

So he's also just lying. Yeah. And his article is pretty specific about the claims that Kennedy made on Rogen and the like the which ones are bullshit. Tucker took that line that said it was too long of a list outline in full and then he just lied to the audience that that was the extent of the discussion. In fact, the next paragraph starts quote, they included innumerable talking points that have already been debunked. At one point for instance, Kennedy falsely suggested the vaccines cause autism, which has been repeatedly and roundly disproven with Rogan interjecting supportively Kennedy also trotted out one of his favorite talking points that vaccines contain a dangerous form of mercury, something he says a lot as ever, he conflated ethyl mercury, which is not considered hazardous to human health, and methyl mercury, which is considered dangerous and even small doses. Both of these points are backed up with links to supporting research and Anna's article. And it goes on to point out that Kennedy also said that Wi Fi quote degrades your mitochondria and it opens your blood brain barrier with no evidence at all. Well, no, that one's true. Tucker's just straight up lying about this article, because he knows the audience isn't gonna check and he doesn't care. The the image that advice is just posting essentially empty attack articles is what the audience wants to hear. So that's the image that Tucker paints for them, right to make sure that they don't consider any criticism, right. Robert Kennedy for something right.

Jordan (00:48:33.000)

And you know, it would be ironic if he were unaware of it, but appropriately, his last line is they're just saying things and then asking you to trust them. Yeah. In essentially the exact thing of his crime. Yeah, done to people. And then he does a fancy voice over it. So fuck off.

Dan (00:48:54.000)

But then he also in the next clip, he he's going to say more about the article from later in the article. So he would have had to read the beginning and skip to the end right in order to not get the part where and I went over the specific

Jordan (00:49:07.000)

see it's not ironic because he's appropriately lying about it. Yes.

Dan (00:49:12.000)

Malicious liar. Yeah. And then God dammit, I'm sorry about this, but we're about to get back into Peter Hotez.

Tucker Carlson (00:49:18.000)

No. Then Merlin called Spotify to see if she could get the episode censored. Much to her profound frustration. Spotify refused to censor the episode and kept the interview on its website. So she spent the next several days ranting about all of this on Twitter. People were listening to the wrong things and Anna Merlin was mad about it. So it was Peter Hotez. Hotez is a pediatrician from Texas who became moderately famous on MSNBC during the COVID lockdowns as a Biden shill and a vaccine promoter Hotez read Anna Merlin's piece and then huffily, retweeted it positively Why is Bobby Kennedy allowed to talk in public and that give Joe Rogan an idea why not have Peter Hotez debate Bobby Kennedy on a show you claim these wrong why don't you explain why he's wrong? That seemed fair. Yeah, but

Dan (00:50:05.000)

why your question is, why not? And why is the rebuttal Why did that? Yeah.

Jordan (00:50:11.000)

Stupid. That's simple. Yeah. But it's really uncomplicated.

Dan (00:50:15.000)

Yeah. So now that we're getting into the Peter Hotez of it all right?

Jordan (00:50:19.000)

Great. I mean, it's just the derisive tone towards moderately famous. Yeah. And it's like, the guy didn't want to be any of this. Yeah, you should have not had a pandemic assholes. I did. Well, I started TV show

Dan (00:50:35.000)

later. Tucker does call it a so called pandemic. There may not have been

Jordan (00:50:39.000)

fucker. Jesus Christ.

Jordan (00:50:44.000)

He didn't start us he didn't start a podcast he didn't like go out and he wasn't like on the open mic circuit. And then he he got his big break at Jfl and then he finally but he never made it to the big times. He's just a fucking doctor.

Dan (00:50:59.000)

That's where you're wrong. Okay, now he did make Jfl new faces on sign. I would watch

Jordan (00:51:11.000)

all pandemic with no agent. Good. That'd be a good show. We could write their bets.

Dan (00:51:19.000)

So anyway, Peter Hotez went on MSNBC instead of talking to Rogen, because he's a he's a coward. Yep, sure.

Tucker Carlson (00:51:26.000)

But Hotez wouldn't bite. So Rogan, offered to give 100 grant Hotez his favorite charity if he agreed to come on. Soon others made their own pledges and the pot swelled to over a million dollars. But still, Peter Hotez wouldn't come. Instead, he scampered back to MSNBC where one of the channels oilier hosts assured him he was doing the right thing by dodging the debate. Arguing with Bobby Kennedy is morally equivalent to debating a Holocaust denier, the host said no decent person would do that. And of course, Hotez agreed, quote, 200,000 Americans needlessly perished because they believed the anti vaccine disinformation and refuse ticket COVID shot. So really talking about the Kennedy would be a lot like a betting murderer. And Peter Hotez, MD PhD was not going to do that. But wait a second, you ask yourself, let's think about those numbers. 200,000 people died because of vaccine disinformation from Bobby Kennedy and people like him. Huh? How do we know that? Is that really science? It's not science. Because we don't know that. We can't know that. There is no way to know that. We're Peter Hotez. His claim is a political attack posing as science and he specializes in those He's a specialist. Is he literally

Jordan (00:52:45.000)

trying to break people's faith? And

Dan (00:52:49.000)

it seems like it yeah, so you can probably bicker about the exact number, but you'd have a really difficult time refuting that there was a large number of excess deaths caused by vaccine refusal. Just to start in November 2022, Yale School of Public Health released a study that looked at excess death numbers across partisan lines. The authors found that the excess death rate was 1.6% for Democrats and 10.4. For Republicans looking specifically after the vaccine was released. They said quote, the gap in excess death rates between Republicans and Democrats is concentrated in counties with low vaccination rates and only materializes after vaccines became widely available. Other research has done that started to disambiguate these variables and look at vaccine refusal and health health outcomes. And it doesn't look great for people who are telling people not to get vaccinated and all likelihood 200,000 is a pretty fair estimate of the deaths caused by anti Vax profiteering during the pandemic and Tucker is most likely just really upset about that because those people's blood is on his hands too and Nino's it Yeah. But also like, he can always hide behind the impossibility of drawing straight lines between like, Why exactly did someone not get vaccinated you know, like, right did was it because of my telling them not to get vaccinated you can't prove that right is true. That is fair. That's probably why people shouldn't be charged for like manslaughter for disseminating misinformation. Sure,

Jordan (00:54:18.000)

sure. Sure, sure.

Dan (00:54:20.000)

But you can look at you can look at the numbers, you can look at differences in access death rates and vaccination rates and right right, it's pretty clear that the spirit of what Peter Hotez is saying is accurate.

Jordan (00:54:33.000)

Yeah. Yeah, I mean at but that's that's kind of the problem is that if we're so obsessed with only dealing with straight lines, then boy there are so many ways to get to a different point that aren't a straight line. So if the problem is the point we get to if we're then you have to deal with where we start and not the line

Dan (00:54:54.000)

well, and if we're adhering to this rigid a standard for proving things Yeah. There's a whole lot that's already been said by Tucker in this episode that's going to fall the fuck apart. Yeah,

Jordan (00:55:06.000)

yeah, absolutely. So

Dan (00:55:07.000)

I don't know. Yeah, I would say that, that that, like a to be relationship is messy to delineate with a straight line shirt. And you could probably argue about the precise number and that's fair enough. Right. But for him to be making a mockery of this and saying it's a political point that has nothing to do with science and knowledge is ludicrous. Yeah. And Tucker, he knows well enough, well knows, you know, as well.

Jordan (00:55:36.000)

His His job is to force people to be so angry, and pointlessly combative about a superficial problem. So it avoids actually dealing with the fundamental problem.

Dan (00:55:49.000)

Yeah, man. There's a there's actually a really great example of that later on, of course, in this where, like, you know, he's talking about this like big pharma cabal that's trying to attack Robert Kennedy, because he's a threat to it. And meanwhile, Tucker is spending all his time demonizing Peter Hotez who tried to make a patent free vaccine for Coronavirus. Yeah, like the which is a giant attack against Big Pharma. I mean, it's

Jordan (00:56:13.000)

it's absurd. It's

Dan (00:56:14.000)

it's forest for the trees. definitionally

Jordan (00:56:18.000)

Of course, and I mean, just the idea, the idea that you can give a fuck about the number. That's bananas to me. 200,000 is an unconscionable number. Do you know what else is an uncountable number of people to die because of lies that get other people made?

Dan (00:56:33.000)

101 Oh, yeah, I'll go with you on one, you know? Yeah.

Jordan (00:56:37.000)

So why are we fucking talking about this at all? Because Tucker wants to create an argument out of something that is inarguable. Right? And he wants to just shit on

Dan (00:56:45.000)

Peter Hotez. Yeah,

Tucker Carlson (00:56:46.000)

well, that's fair. Here he is on television

Peter Hotez (00:56:47.000)

during the so called pandemic. It's all about mass mass compliance, that's going to be absolutely critical. Because if you don't have mass, remember this virus aerosolized. So even six feet is not enough. It can go 1718 feet several meters, what you really have to do is have vaccine that they had it in the schools, we should have a rule that anyone who walks into a school over the age of 12 has to be vaccinated. This is the nature of the anti vaccine movement in this country. It's got its somehow married now to far right wing extremism and, and white nationalist group, anyone who's unvaccinated and has been lucky enough to escape COVID Your luck is about to run out. And I call it the anti science aggression. Coming from Senator Rand Paul, Senator Johnson, members of the House of Representatives, in addition to those two senators, are killers.

Tucker Carlson (00:57:40.000)

It's all about mass compliance. We must have vaccine mandates for children, take the vaccine or you will die. Anyone who disagrees with me is a white nationalist, and a killer and probably an agent of Putin. Do we say probably Let's revise that certainly an agent of Putin again, here's Dr. Peter Hotez

Peter Hotez (00:57:58.000)

are starting to see now those same anti vaccine messages that's coming out of the US. And now we're finding it in Africa and Latin America. And remember what the other reason reason we're seeing this is the Putin government has. This has been reported by US and British intelligence has been piling on with this whole systematic program of what's been called weaponized health communications, trying to destabilize democracies with anti vaccine, anti science messages and targeting.

Tucker Carlson (00:58:26.000)

So according to British and US intelligence, anyone who disagrees with Dr. Peter Hotez is a disloyal American working to destabilize our democracy. I'm sorry, what behalf of Vladimir Putin. Yeah, it

Dan (00:58:37.000)

all makes sense. Yeah, like that so called pandemic and that was a good touch. Wow. HOTAS. His points were totally fair and Tucker is misrepresenting what he said in order to pivot the argument into safer waters. Hotez didn't say that if you were anti Vax, then you're a white nationalist or whatever. You just made a very accurate point that opposition to vaccines became involved with white nationalist groups during the pandemic. It's a fertile recruitment pool that extremist groups use to grow their ranks and they associated intentionally, Hotez also didn't say that if you're anti Vax, or even if you're spreading anti Vax messages, you work for Putin, that's ridiculous. These are interpretations you might make if you had a difficult time with reading comprehension. But that isn't the case for Tucker and his staff. They're just liars, who are hiding behind poor comprehension as a way of sort of passing off their lies.

Jordan (00:59:28.000)

Yeah, I mean, on the other hand, the who at one of his writers did give him the word huffily. Hof, which I mean, hop, hop, hop hop that suggests a poor reading level man. It's a bad it's a bad sounding word does a pad rhythm.

Dan (00:59:43.000)

So Hotez thinks that if you are anti Vax, you're a white nationalist, you work for Putin, and also, everyone who criticizes him should be arrested.

Tucker Carlson (00:59:52.000)

Now by comparison, never in his life as Bobby Kennedy Jr. said anything half that demented One time, Peter Hotez claims to have a valid medical license claims to treat patients. After a while even MSNBC viewers, we're going to have some questions about a guy who talks like that. And apparently some of them did. As the lockdowns wore on the population started to notice that many of the core claims the TV doctors were making were untrue, you only need one shot. If you got the shot, you would never get sick, you would never pass the virus to others and so on. They said these things as you know, again, and again, ultimately they were proven wrong, but they never admitted it. They just attack the people who noticed. Here's Dr. Peter Hotez calling for the Biden administration to arrest anyone who questions the COVID vaccine.

Peter Hotez (01:00:42.000)

The Biden administration has to realize that that anti science is a killer disinformation. It's not even just disinformation, as this is an anti science Empire right now. And we need Homeland Security. We need the Justice Department. We've really got to figure this out. And the health and health and human services will not be able to figure this out on their own.

Tucker Carlson (01:01:02.000)

It's not a medical problem. It's a law enforcement problem. They've touted me arrest them. It's a horrifying outburst. If you think about if you were on tape saying something like that you would be deeply ashamed. But Peter Hotez is not ashamed. He's become even more grandiose.

Dan (01:01:18.000)

He's emboldened.

Jordan (01:01:19.000)

I am. So speechlessly angry about this? Yeah. And

Dan (01:01:25.000)

if you watch the larger context of that clip that he played, they're talking about how you could save more lives now, you could still save lives. And like people are dying because of still. Yeah. And so, you know, I don't I don't think I would, I would hear that clip. And I would have follow up questions about exactly what the roles of the like Department of Justice would be, you know, but I don't hear that is arrest people who disagree with me, I would hear that as sue people and send cease and desist letters to people who are like, making money off,

Jordan (01:02:04.000)

do nothing. Your job is to do something to save people's lives, and you're doing nothing about it. So do a different thing.

Dan (01:02:12.000)

Yeah. Not necessarily like arrest, Tucker.

Jordan (01:02:14.000)

I mean, I don't want you to arrest people. I want you to do a thing, because arresting people wouldn't do any good either.

Dan (01:02:21.000)

Yeah, it wouldn't. It would just create heroics are martyrs out of those arrested.

Jordan (01:02:28.000)

Yeah, no, I find it unacceptable on a human level for Tucker, to say that. It was other people providing a shit ton, it was doctors who are providing misinformation during the pandemic, that that really is unacceptable.

Dan (01:02:45.000)

It is it is. And you know, it's always going to be easy. But when you have an evolving public health situation and a novel virus that you are able to create a vaccine for in such a brief window, that there's going to be times where you're wrong about something, you're not providing this information, you're wrong. And then because you're wrong wrong for all the right reasons, exactly. And mandate, you correct it. And also, maybe you were right at the time. And then there's another variant, you know, like that, that can happen. And you're always going to be able to make mileage out of misrepresenting things that doctors and such said earlier. And then also, there were some people who were maybe a little capricious with their messaging. But that wasn't the lion's share of the folks. Right, right. Right. We're in support of the vaccine.

Jordan (01:03:39.000)

I've just, I mean, it's just so it you know, the feelings that the pandemic arose so

Dan (01:03:48.000)

called pandemic. See?

Jordan (01:03:52.000)

You know, what, do you know what I mean of like, this is something that I do not feel was reckoned with. Nope, the pandemic was not reckoned with no, and it still hasn't been nope, until it is. We're guaranteed for chaos.

Dan (01:04:07.000)

We don't do that. Here. See? That's true. Doesn't reckon with stuff. Need to reckon? Yeah, definitely. There's so

Jordan (01:04:14.000)

many things that need a reckoning. Yeah. I let them in. If we don't reckon with them, they we will be reckoned with. Yeah. And it's not going to be good for us.

Dan (01:04:23.000)

No, it never is. No. And we don't learn. Nope. So someone who does learn as Peter Hotez, he learns to be emboldened by getting away with it all in plain view. He's emboldened doctors. And so talkers in order to take him down a peg decides to read his bio.

Tucker Carlson (01:04:45.000)

Okay, but Peter Hotez is not ashamed, he's become even more grandiose. Hotez has written a self congratulatory new book called The deadly rise of anti science, the scientists warning is if you're a scientist, here's how Hotez describes it. himself in the books promotional literature quote, during the height of the COVID 19 pandemic, one renowned scientist in his famous bowtie, appearing daily on major news networks such as MSNBC, NPR and BBC and others, Dr. Peter J. Hotez often went without sleep, working around the clock to develop a nonprofit COVID-19 vaccine and to keep the public informed. During that time, he was one of the most trusted voices on the pandemic and was even nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize for his selfless work. He also became one of the main targets of anti science rhetoric to gain traction through conservative news media and quote though we could go on so here you have a renowned scientist, selfless, trusted, going without sleep, self denying, persecuted by extremists for daring to tell the truth, the Albert Schweitzer of cable news. That's Dr. Peter J. Hotez. The fact that a partisan buffoon like Peter Hotez can describe himself this way with a straight face and the backing of a publisher makes you despair for the country's future. But don't despair. There is hope.

Dan (01:06:09.000)

There's hope Jordan. Wow. brass balls for Tucker to joke about Hotez bow tie

Jordan (01:06:14.000)

I am beyond

Dan (01:06:18.000)

Yeah, also Tucker really slipped over something there that him and his dingdong friends all ignore. And that is that Hotez is, you know, I would say his primary claim to fame at this point is the work towards creating the nonprofit COVID-19 vaccination kind of makes him like legit an opponent of Big Pharma in a way that Tucker could never even pretend to be,

Jordan (01:06:39.000)

ya know, one of the I mean, the greatest thing you can do to Big Pharma is threaten them and economically in service

Dan (01:06:44.000)

of providing something for people. Yeah, absolutely. That's what Hotez and his team were nominated for a Nobel Prize for they making a patent free COVID vaccine, which could help people in the developing world. Millions of doses have been administered in poor areas of India and other countries. But you won't hear about that from Tucker, the guy who applauds dumbfuck Robert Kennedy is some kind of a maverick standing up to big pharma guys are just jokes,

Jordan (01:07:09.000)

idiot. Yeah, I just don't, I just don't. And

Dan (01:07:13.000)

like we could play the same game. But if Tucker wants where I go find one of his bios, books, and I read it in a snarky voice. But where does that get?

Jordan (01:07:20.000)

No, it doesn't get us anywhere. And it is it is what I mean. It's so fucking annoying because he's correctly grasping a serious issue and distracting from it. And then giving power to the people who are causing it.

Dan (01:07:34.000)

What lay it out?

Jordan (01:07:36.000)

Got mean? Like, the reason that you're willing to go along with with Tucker's dumb shit, is because Big Pharma is fucked up. That is true. You cannot deny that they're fucked up.

Dan (01:07:50.000)

Yeah, maybe I don't know if that's why you go along.

Jordan (01:07:53.000)

No, I understand. But the reckoning reckoning never came from the Sackler family, you know, like, all of these things are there, right? You know, there is a problem, right? Yeah. And then you come to it with like, oh, this person who gave people millions of doses of a vaccine that they don't have to pay for is evil and a murderer. And that's why we need Robert F. Kennedy Jr. That guy who is almost directly responsible for hundreds of 1000s of deaths to become our leader,

Dan (01:08:21.000)

arguably like so, you know, with Peter Hotez with his, you know, patent free vaccine. He is providing something for people it benefits their health at the expense of Big Pharma, right? They're in they're not able to charge for it and what have you, right? Conversely, if you if you really look at it, if you're a cynical, evil, Big Pharma person, you're probably thrilled with Robert Kennedy. Totally like he's advising people not to get vaccinated which will create more health conditions that they have to deal with with medicine later and throughout their lives perhaps. And so like, it's actually the reverse like Hotez is doing something that helps people at the expense of Big Pharma. Kennedy is doing something at the expense of people, right? It helps Big Pharma Well,

Jordan (01:09:11.000)

I mean, put that I mean, that's what Tucker's avoiding. All medicine should be nonprofit.

Dan (01:09:19.000)

Well, he doesn't touch on that, surprisingly. Yeah, exactly. But Peter Hotez is a coward, because he won't debate Robert Kennedy. But there's still hope

Tucker Carlson (01:09:28.000)

is there But don't despair. There is hope. Hotez will never debate Bobby Kennedy Jr. But it doesn't matter. Kennedy is already one. He's more honest than Dr. Peter Hotez. And that's obvious to anyone who's paying attention. A new economist poll shows that Kennedy is more popular and far less hated than either major party front runner. After almost 20 years of being silenced Bobby Kennedy, Jr. is being heard and why wouldn't he be? He was on raise theories about vaccines maybe right maybe partially right that could be even utterly wrong. No one's proved it. I'm sorry. What But what we can say with certainty is that America's medical establishment has booked clowned itself all time

Dan (01:10:07.000)

what but clowned? What Yeah Who

Jordan (01:10:09.000)

fucking asshole wrote this shit? I'm telling you I'm creative writing class. My red pen would tear this person but clowned.

Dan (01:10:16.000)

Oh, so that's a really weird formulation on Tucker's part. Basically he's saying that the audience shouldn't despair because Kennedy may be totally wrong and misleading hundreds of 1000s of people towards risking their lives for no reason. But a recent poll said he was popular, and Peter Hotez but clowned himself, Biden, Trump and Kennedy have pretty similar favourability numbers in that poll that he's talking about. Although Kennedy does come out ahead a bit in net favourability, because he has a higher number of people who answered don't know about him. They don't have an opinion, right. Biden and Trump are well known quantities at this point in that way that much heavier unfavorability is built in because of that. Yeah. Also in that poll that Tucker is he's not mentioning this the but they have a question that if the GOP primary was held today, Trump would fucking cook everyone. Yeah, of course. He destroys DeSantis said that. Yeah, I think it was like 51% for him wanting something that sounds right. Yeah. That poll didn't have voting metrics for hypothetical Democratic primary. But the most recent poll that's available as Biden at 64% Kennedy at 17. And that was a Fox News poll. He so not not Biden favorable territory. Right, right. But But clowned?

Jordan (01:11:37.000)

That's insulting the noble profession of clowning of which I count myself a

Dan (01:11:41.000)

member I will say that I I don't know the word. But I typed it into my word processor. Oh, yeah. And I do not have a red line under

Jordan (01:11:51.000)

No, it's a real real word. Yeah, that's not the problem here. The problem is not that words aren't or are real.

Dan (01:11:58.000)

It's sometimes is this case or not?

Jordan (01:12:01.000)

i Perfect. There's so many unreal words that are so much better than background.

Dan (01:12:06.000)

It certainly attention grabbing though. So anyway, medicine is witchcraft now.

Tucker Carlson (01:12:11.000)

Sure. But what we can say with certainty is that America's medical establishment has booked clowned itself for all time. He wants to hear positions on vaccines, psychiatric drugs, puberty blockers, reassignment surgeries, a long list of other politically fashionable priorities have no connection whatsoever to legitimate science. It's all effectively witchcraft. At the annual meeting of the American Medical Association Chicago last week, for example, delegates issued a statement attacking the body mass index as a tool of quote racist exclusion, which has caused historical harm. Next year, they will denounce thermometers and stethoscopes, they're insane haha.

Dan (01:12:53.000)

So the importance or significance of BMI or body mass index has always been kind of shaky. The idea of putting one number on body mass is a bit simplistic and the medical community is known about that for a long time. It's a foundation for a measurement that could be important, but it needs a lot of work to account for various things like fat distribution, age and ethnicity. The reason that it was called a tool of racist exclusion is explained this way in an article from The Washington Post from over two years ago. Quote, BMI was invented about 200 years ago in an era that saw the creation of pseudo scientific theories such as social Darwinism that was used to justify nationalism, racism and eugenics. The index index was established by Belgian mathematician Lambert a dove Juc quillette quillette, who sought to measure the height and weight of the average man based on a sample of white European men, right, he saw this average as quote, ideal, right, right, right. It's not a universally applicable number. But most experts recognize the BMI idea as a jumping off point for a measurement that could be more meaningful, but it just hasn't been developed. Yet. Whatever that more meaningful metric is. This isn't an instance of the medical community being insane unless you're a white identity zealot like Tucker, who thinks that everything about the world should use white people as the default and the ideal, then the idea of reconsidering that legacy might seem insane, like it does to Tucker. Yeah.

Jordan (01:14:19.000)

What I find fascinating. All right. Now, Tucker, lives in a world where witchcraft is real.

Dan (01:14:30.000)

I think that might have been a flourish for

Jordan (01:14:32.000)

him. But this is what I'm saying here.

Dan (01:14:34.000)

Right. Alex lives in a world of witchcraft, their world

Jordan (01:14:38.000)

if you call doctors witchcraft, I feel like that means they are effective at doing what they are asked to do. Right? They have power. They have the ability to heal through witchcraft.

Dan (01:14:49.000)

I don't think that's the conclusion he wants to lead you to I understand

Jordan (01:14:53.000)

that but if I am listening to this, I'm thinking oh shit, witches can save me.

Dan (01:14:58.000)

I think it was meant as just strictly a pejorative, for

Jordan (01:15:02.000)

sure. But I feel like we need to re examine whether or not witches are real because chucker is clearly considering them. Listen.

Dan (01:15:08.000)

Hopefully in episode eight or whatever of his show, we'll get to the bottom of whether or not there are witches. I hope

Jordan (01:15:14.000)

he doesn't which episode I want to do that.

Dan (01:15:18.000)

Episode, please. So compared to these witches, yeah, we were talking about BMI being racist. They're all on these which on another planet shared to them. Robert Kennedy's same man.

Tucker Carlson (01:15:31.000)

Next year, they will denounce thermometers and stethoscopes, they're insane. Compared to them, Bobby Kennedy is a mainstream figure. And people understand that that's why he's winning. And you know, he's winning by his critics are doing so just four years ago, and a Merlin was regarded as an important expert on conspiracy theories and misinformation, she'd written a book on the topic, he or she is talking about it.

Anna Merlan (01:15:54.000)

I've always thought that in the case of conspiracy pedalers, it's not necessarily a super profitable enterprise to ask whether they really believe it or not, because I don't know what's in their hearts. I don't know, what's in their minds, all I know, is what they spend their time doing, which is promoting conspiracy theories. In the case of ordinary people, conspiracy consumers, and most Americans are to some degree, consumers of conspiracy theories, all the studies that we have show that like one in three Americans believe in some conspiracy theory to some extent, for the people in the very sort of deep end of the conspiracy pool, people who are consuming a lot of conspiracy content, I think it's really important to look at the way it helps them make sense of the world and make sense of our political moment and make sense of a lot of times like what's happening in their own lives.

Tucker Carlson (01:16:45.000)

All the studies that we have show that like one in three Americans believe in some conspiracy theory. You'll notice the UPS speak the rising inflection at the end of the sentence. That's a familiar tick in Brooklyn. It's familiar take for you eruptive sentence into a question and thereby belittle the listener. Do you follow me? Is this too complicated for you? So the lady in the nose during wants you to know she's smart, but she's not damn i What

Dan (01:17:10.000)

the fuck? I feel like listening to Anna's speak was far less condescending than listening to Tucker's bizarre vocal flourish and sneezing.

Dan (01:17:17.000)

I don't know what's going on. Sounded like a completely normal person to me. I don't know what the point of this is. To be totally honest. It feels unnecessarily mean. And the larger point of the segment legitimately makes no sense. Is Tucker trying to say that compared to a medical establishment that he defines as insane and becloud? Robert Kennedy is not quite so insane. Or McLeod, like I'm not sure that's a great point. And he's saying that, like, look at where his critics are. What

Jordan (01:17:46.000)

Listen, doctors are witches and Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Might be completely wrong.

Dan (01:17:52.000)

But that one poll said he has more favourability a go than Biden or Trump, then we've gotten to the bottom of it. He won the popularity contest in this one economist poll,

Jordan (01:18:04.000)

I feel like Tucker is is trying to create the platonic ideal of gaslighting. Like he is literally embodying the concept of aggressively existing in one reality and trying to force a false reality on whoever is around him. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's, it's

Dan (01:18:25.000)

amazing. Maybe that's the mission statement of his Twitter show

Jordan (01:18:28.000)

that could be that could I mean somebody who is eventually going to have to create the planet platonic ideal of gaslighting? That's just simply once something exists a human must create it.

Dan (01:18:38.000)

Well, now that you've spoken into existence, Episode Nine, after the witchcraft episode, yes, yeah,

Jordan (01:18:45.000)

we got to do the witchcraft first. Yeah.

Dan (01:18:47.000)

So here's the dismount. And I think he's, like, legitimately, I think his final argument is that Robert F. Kennedy is pretty cool, because Anna Merlin's dumb, because vice is going bankrupt. I think that's

Tucker Carlson (01:19:03.000)

okay. So the lady in the nose ring wants you to know she's smart. But she's not. When Merlin recorded that interview vice where she now works was valued at more than $5 billion genius investors like James Murdoch. were showering the company with money. Everyone wanted in on the future of media, which was up talkers like Anna Merlyn lecturing you about racism. Sorry. That has changed. Last month vice filed for bankruptcy. Anna Merlin is still on Twitter screeching about how her critics are transphobic but nobody cares. Nobody wants to hear from ANA Merlin anymore. The gatekeepers are transparently ridiculous. Everyone can see that people are starting to notice and

Dan (01:19:47.000)

that's the really don't know what's happening. I

Jordan (01:19:53.000)

mean, this show is so dumb. I honestly I think I I'm I'm sure and As overjoyed I feel like that's pretty funny. It is. It's pretty funny. Yeah,

Dan (01:20:03.000)

I did not reach out for comment. Yeah. I mean, this ending is a little incoherent. Oh, because amaz reputation is still quite good. Even if vice goes bankrupt. It really is not. It's not like, oh, no, she got sued. And that's why they're bankrupt, much like

Jordan (01:20:26.000)

Fox News. Yeah. They didn't

Dan (01:20:29.000)

go bankrupt. He still

Jordan (01:20:31.000)

did. Did Anna lose vice? $800 million? No. Okay. Well, then I think we're probably

Dan (01:20:37.000)

okay. But also like, I don't know what the bankruptcy has to do with like, whether or not Robert F Kennedy is cool. Well, as everybody knows, she was criticizing him. Yeah. Being on Rogen. This is the connective tissue is thin. And then also like, if going bankrupt somehow has anything to do with like your intellectual? Like, credibility? What about Alex? Yeah. And Infowars? They both are bankrupt? Yeah.

Jordan (01:21:03.000)

I mean, it see. So what happens? And I think a lot of people know this now, right, is that the writers control the finances of most media companies, they really want the input of the people who make their content, right. That's definitely not like, I don't know, groups of rich hedge fund investors who saddle the company with all the debt that they use to buy the company. And then they declare bankruptcy and sell it for parts, because they've actually and they make money coming and going. I'm honestly

Dan (01:21:34.000)

shocked that he didn't somehow tie this into Gavin McInnes, and the proud boys kind of feeling good. I should have showed up. Yeah, like, that seems like fertile ground for him to get into. Yeah,

Jordan (01:21:44.000)

I think that's the way to do it.

Dan (01:21:45.000)

So yeah, I mean, look, I don't know what we don't know what the point is here. I mean, obviously, this is just meant to be a defense piece of Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. I guess. But it like it doesn't at all deal with any of the criticisms that are really being levied against him. No. And it seems to mostly be like, I don't like Hotez and a Merlin sucks. But he and I don't I don't really think that that's powerful. Yeah.

Jordan (01:22:14.000)

No, I mean, it is it is a little bit like listening to. Well, no, it's not a little bit like listening to a high school kid. This is listening to an annoying freshman high school kid who comes to school in a suit, and you're in the same English class and he won't shut the fuck up about Lord of the Flies for some reason. And you're like when we get to Catcher in the Rye. I'm gonna kill myself. You're

Dan (01:22:37.000)

describing his head writer? I think so. Apparently. Yeah,

Jordan (01:22:42.000)

I think so.

Dan (01:22:43.000)

Oh, Category Five tie flow boy of what was it? Hysterical?

Jordan (01:22:50.000)

Typhoon woof. Good stuff. Yeah.

Dan (01:22:52.000)

So I mean, look, I continue to be bewildered by this show. I like as somebody who's used to somebody who has no point at all. Yeah, but it's forgivable that he has no point because he's just rambling. That's the idea. It's very jarring to listen to this and see like, I think I get what your point is supposed to be. It's flawed. The premises. Upon examination fall apart, it becomes entirely unclear what you're trying to say. Yeah, the point like I get the anger behind it. But like, there has to be a second like pass it this. Like you wrote this. You need to you need to edit it, edit it. You need to do a better job of making this argument. stand up to scrutiny because it's silly. You have Alex doesn't try. He doesn't have a teleprompter. He's just talking shit. Yeah, I get it. This is unpolished garbage.

Jordan (01:23:52.000)

It is it is a bit like so Alex is like a roller coaster that is poorly made and it might fall apart at any second. It's like

Dan (01:24:02.000)

that New Jersey? Park. Yes. The danger park or whatever action Park? Where Yeah, people die

Jordan (01:24:09.000)

and put Tucker's like the Hall of warped mirrors you know you walk in there and you're like, I none of none of this looks like this and I can't escape. This is horrific.

Dan (01:24:18.000)

Yeah, I that metaphor is as good as anything is gonna come up. Probably. So Jordan will be back for another episode in the near future. Hopefully Alex will be back in studio. But until then, we have website indeed we

Jordan (01:24:35.000)

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Dan (01:24:39.000)

back but until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DCX Clark. Your time is up my time is now. London. WrestleMania Oh, god. What about Australia mate? Now here comes the sex robots

Andy In Kansas (01:24:59.000)

Andy and chances Once you're on the air Thanks for holding so Alex I'm a first time caller I'm a huge fan I love your work