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Dan (00:00:59.000)

Hey, everybody, welcome back to knowledge, right. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes like to sit around worship at the altar of saline and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

Jordan (00:01:07.000)

Indeed we are Dan. Damn. Yeah. Quick question for you. What's up with your bright spot today?

Dan (00:01:14.000)

Why don't you go first?

Jordan (00:01:15.000)

Okay, I will go first. My bright spot. Dan, is there is a new season of taskmaster, who from Australia was the first task last year Australia season is out

Dan (00:01:26.000)

if I had to guess. Yeah, it's great. It's pretty

Jordan (00:01:29.000)

good. We're pretty great. I will tell you this. We've discussed the Zophar I believe there's three now versions of taskmaster. There's New Zealand, New Zealand and Australian, New Zealand we discussed the New Zealand Alex position. Fantastic, incredible. The the New Zealand Greg Davies position terrible absolute garbage.

Dan (00:01:50.000)

It's it's a different vibe. And I understand I disagree. And as much as I think that he serves his role, but yeah, it's very much different than

Jordan (00:02:01.000)

Yeah, Australia. Greg Davies position. Fantastic. Alex our position garbage. Oh, it's a complete inversion of the form this kind of weird.

Dan (00:02:12.000)

This is this should mash them up.

Jordan (00:02:15.000)

I think so. I'm telling you. I mean, their way there is a cabana you know, but I think that the Alex horn on this one is is missing the mark. Just by virtue of a few different little, little foibles he seems he seems less less completely reserved, you know, like part of it is you have to be completely deadpan. Yeah. You know, he seems like he's, he's smile, you know, it's a little bit difficult

Dan (00:02:39.000)

to pull off. Yeah, yeah, there is. There's a line,

Jordan (00:02:43.000)

I would say the ALEKS position is far harder. Yeah. Of the two jobs, the one where the guy shows up and talks all the time and is Yeah, the one where the guy does all the work. That one is the harder job. Yeah. And we have no familiarity with those kinds of,

Dan (00:02:58.000)

but you also have to be like, like you're saying, like you have to you have to walk that line of like, being funny and getting the joke, but also Yeah, like being all business you

Jordan (00:03:10.000)

have to be a Dave Foley in news or you have to be a perfect straight man. Yeah.

Dan (00:03:14.000)

Well, I mean, I have I have a growing suspicion that Australia is just better a media. It's, it's,

Jordan (00:03:20.000)

I mean, we'll see. I mean,

Dan (00:03:21.000)

maybe not better than the UK in terms of shows that originate from the UK. But I mean, in terms of Survivor, they've, they have killed the game.

Jordan (00:03:30.000)

Do you think it's because the woke mob hasn't gotten to Australia yet? Damn, man,

Dan (00:03:35.000)

the wolf said. Thank God, you said it.

Jordan (00:03:40.000)

Finally, you know, it's really nice to be able to talk, you know, now that Alex's podcast is off the air, we no need to worry about being made fun of

Dan (00:03:47.000)

Survivor go go broke? No, it's your rights. But I don't think that's the case. I just think, I don't know. I don't know exactly what it is. They're trying different things. Maybe I don't know, I gotta watch this taskmaster, Australia. And I'll let you know, the Australian

Jordan (00:04:01.000)

challenge was pretty good. I'm sure I think the Australians know how to make a good reality TV show. And that may be because Australia is only about three and a half miles away from the sun. I think that could be it.

Dan (00:04:12.000)

That could real hot. I mean, there are theories that about Yeah. We'll find out one day. My brights by Jordan is we are in this little bit of interstitial period of thing. Yes. In as much as we have our live shows coming up. And also just finished sending out all the buttons and everything. So we're in that that little in between case. And so I decided what we're going to do is I'm going to close the fundraiser that we had for the button. Okay, good at the end of the week. So if anybody would like to join in and throw some support to the Transgender Law Center that we have been raising funds for with the buttons. I realized I haven't mentioned that in quite a while. Yeah. So quite a while maybe forgotten and maybe donations have completely dried up or what have you. But if people would like to chip in for that, that would be that would be wonderful. Yeah. That's a great idea. And also, yes, we had a second person who got a Wonka button. Oh, we got a second Walker button. So this is Kristin. Out there. Got the got the second bright spot. All right. Okay. So a donation has been made to the the charity of their choice, which is gender justice. Excellent. Spectacular. Thank you for for that and also hear a thing down under just Kristen reached out. Yes. A while ago. Here's here's what happened. As these are what it went to the email that you monitor, and you forwarded it to me,

Jordan (00:05:51.000)

Oh, okay. I was gonna say I can't I can't believe that I would have

Dan (00:05:55.000)

forwarded it to me, right. And I saw it and I was like, look at that.

Jordan (00:06:02.000)

And forgot that I need to do so.

Jordan (00:06:06.000)

The protocols didn't kick in. seem like

Dan (00:06:09.000)

an announcement less than a oh, I need to do something about this. Right. And so it completely slipped my mind. Right. Tell I was going through all of the buttons to finish all that up. And I found that the email was also in there. Ah, but it took forever to get to the point where I got to that because of the fucking naturally 1000s of emails. We, I mean, I would say something in the neighborhood of 15 to 17,000 Buttons sent out to people. Yeah. Countries all over every continent except Antarctica. Yeah. I don't know if we would be able to get any buttons down there.

Jordan (00:06:49.000)

Um, yeah, we would have to send like a person to do that. That's an emissary requirement. Here's what also because they live underground. The button requests are done, and we'd have to escape the Nazis. True. Yeah.

Dan (00:07:01.000)

Unless they are reformed. That could be No, okay. No, no, not gonna have it. Okay. But the button requests are close, right? However, yes, if you are in Antarctica, I will make an exception. I will send you a button. Only if you are in Dr.

Jordan (00:07:17.000)

Ad. This is truly because it'd be really fucking cool. Just if there was some random person. Gotta hit all the continents. Yeah. Is that a continent? Antarctica is a continent.

Dan (00:07:29.000)

Yes. What a relief. Yeah. So anyway, congratulations, Kristin. Congratulations, Kristen. I don't think the other Blanca button is ever going to be. We'll see. Most of the male heading to Scotland. Oh, man. No, it was international. I don't know if it was going to Scotland. Well, there's

Jordan (00:07:46.000)

still. There's still time.

Dan (00:07:48.000)

I don't think there is months ago. All right. Well, that is an issue. Yeah, that one's

Jordan (00:07:52.000)

maybe they just don't know that they got the special button because it's been so long since we've since they figured well, I mean, I don't even remember what it looks like it has. It's got a treasure chest. Yeah, right. Yeah. So what's your brightspot? Right, right. Yeah. So maybe somebody got it was like what a great button and had no idea that that was one of the Golden buttons that

Dan (00:08:11.000)

could be and calling them the golden button was a big mistake, because one of the regular buttons was bright yellow. That

Jordan (00:08:17.000)

is that that was the WONCA reference was not a literal reference, which is unfortunate part.

Dan (00:08:24.000)

Anyway, we have an episode to go over today, Jordan dt. And I this is in spirit of that interstitial period, we have dealt with in the brightspot the buttons? Sure. Now we come to the episode where we discuss the march up to the live shows. So I realized that I had made a number of jokes that weren't jokes about how one of our live shows I want to be about the Howard Dean scream, it was very much not a joke. Yes. And that seemed very doable. Because we had a bit of time before the live show. And it was like, hey, that happened in January, that was in the early times of the primary running up on it. What I didn't realize was from the point we were at, to when that happens was 20 something days in 2003 time, okay, which is a lot to get through in terms of our pace, and I was like, that's gonna be fucking impossible.

Jordan (00:09:21.000)

Yeah, what's that? 60 hours. 80 hours? Yep,

Dan (00:09:25.000)

yep. 99 hours? Yeah, well, no, it's not 30 days. But yeah, the point it's, uh, yeah, it's a lot. But even so even even if like listening to all of it, and going through it was a ton. Presenting it on the show. We didn't have enough episodes to get through right. By the time we have the live shows. So that was a challenge, right? And I realized maybe the dream was dead. It wasn't Oh, I was gonna say did the episode end the dream was just asleep, and they had to wake up the dream. The dream got woke and went broke. Oh boy. I don't know And how many more how many more arrives? Do we? So here's the here's the situation. I started going through the 2003. Of course, I'm going through it. And we got a little bit lucky. Because part of the time between where we were in December, and where the scream happens a January Christmas break, and New Year's and New Year's break. There were a number of episodes that Alex just wasn't there, donate them some rewriting them off, and what have you. Right. Then you also run into a situation where he's not trying to the end of the year at the

Jordan (00:10:34.000)

beginning of the year. We've all had we've all been there. Oh, we've all been there as

Dan (00:10:39.000)

it's nothing I will get back is going

Jordan (00:10:43.000)

on in earnest on January 4, or fifth at best, you're

Dan (00:10:48.000)

being very generous. Yeah. So we are going to be able to sort of Smash forward a little bit. And actually, Today's episode will be mostly about January 8, which is where we jump back into anything that I felt meant anything. So okay, you can imagine there was a lot of listening to.

Jordan (00:11:09.000)

Yeah, how many? That's two full weeks of shows that you skipped over. Three.

Dan (00:11:14.000)

I didn't skip over, though. I'm allowing you to view

Jordan (00:11:17.000)

Yeah, apologies. Apologies. I mean, I mean, in your

Dan (00:11:22.000)

water, just nothing. Yeah. And I think it should be said, I think a large part of why these episodes were a little bit is there were much less calls now. And I don't think that his calls are good in 2003. But I do think that there's something in how they change the presentation of the show. Like it breaks up his clear non coverage of story. Yeah, his rants are monotonous and boring. So the calls kind of give a sidetrack from that. And a lot of the guests that he has back in 2003 are very interesting, either, right. And so having a balance of, you know, guest who may be is aligned with white supremacists, right, don't talk about it, calls, many rants and then just rattling off headlines, right kind of works. But if you take the calls out of it, you're left with just stuff. It's like a bread sandwich, the

Jordan (00:12:19.000)

call calls provide the element of chaos that makes listening to the stage almost kind of monotonous bullshit worth

Dan (00:12:28.000)

it. And sometimes they inform whatever happens with the rest of the show. Right, right. Last time when Alex got really mad at

Jordan (00:12:34.000)

planes in Vietnam. Dan, there are no planes in Vietnam. Right, that I mean, they let us fly on

Dan (00:12:41.000)

you describe it as chaos. And certainly it is. But it's also something else. It

Jordan (00:12:45.000)

tells us something else. And that was a creation. And I think that during

Dan (00:12:49.000)

this period, yeah. Like I was saying there's less calls and I think that hurts, hurts things. But anyway, we're going to jump into January 8, and a little bit before that along the way, because there's a couple of points that I think are are relevant. Yeah. But before we do, let's say hello to somebody. Whoa, that's a great idea. So first, happy anniversary sleeping 2d from one charming lizard to another baby love Pet Pet. Thank you so much for now policy walk.

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I'm a policy wonk. Thank

Jordan (00:13:17.000)

you very much.

Dan (00:13:18.000)

Next Bilbo Baggins, boobs thank you so much. You are now policy walk.

Alex Jones (00:13:22.000)

I'm a policy walk.

Dan (00:13:23.000)

I think I might have said that one already. Yes. I'm not sure I don't think box ism good. Never

Jordan (00:13:28.000)

a bad time.

Dan (00:13:29.000)

Next big floppy accordion penis. Thank you so much. You are now policy walk. I'm a policy.

Jordan (00:13:34.000)

Thank you. Sometimes we have these these long, clever like, take you on a journey ones and sometimes there's something real satisfying about just a big nice old floppy penis.

Dan (00:13:45.000)

And hi, mom. I'm on the internet. Thank you so much. You are now palsy walk.

Unknown Speaker (00:13:49.000)

I'm a policy.

Jordan (00:13:50.000)

Thank you very much.

Dan (00:13:54.000)

position, and we got a couple Tech grads. So first ritual satanic barbecue sauce. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. Thank you so much, too. I listened to 200 episodes in two months. And all I got was this lousy walk drop. Thank you so much. You are now technocrat. And this one, actually, I mean, look, I'm getting put on blast, but I accept it because, you know I didn't realize it but it is something that I do. And thank you so much, Dan. There is no PII in the word something. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat.

Alex Jones (00:14:25.000)

I'm a policy wonk. I have risen above my enemies. I might quit tomorrow actually. I'm just gonna take a little break now. A little break II for me. And then we're going to come back and I'm going to start the show over but I'm the devil I gotta be daring all their Fuck you. Fuck you. I got plenty of words for you. But at the end of the day, Fuck you and your new world order and fuck the horse she wrote in on and all your shit. Maybe today's broadcast. And maybe I'll just be gone a month, maybe five years. Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow, and you never see me again. That's really what I want to do. I never want to come back here again. I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air. I'll be better tomorrow.

Dan (00:15:19.000)

He's not No, no, he never has been. Nope. And he's not so great in 2003. Like I said, it's a lazy slog. He kind of is checked out. Sure more to have you here. Sure, sure. But there is very little conversation at all about the primaries that are coming up. He's very much anti Bush, obviously. But there's no real conversation about like John Edwards, John Kerry, even Howard Dean, who was the presumptive front runner coming into the primary race, right, although tenuous, front runner I think would be a fair way to describe it, because he wants the primaries start. He's not very strong.

Jordan (00:15:57.000)

It was fairly wide open at that point, because Bush had a iron grip on the world. And yeah,

Dan (00:16:03.000)

he did. You know, he was doing quite well. And there was a lot of excitement about his candidacy. But he underperformed from the jump, right? I would say, yeah. But even as it may even like, before the primaries got going, there was a lot of deep conversation. And so Alex on December 29, brings up Howard Dean, and it turns out, does not like him. Oh,

Alex Jones (00:16:28.000)

don't worry, the snake gene. Howard Dean blasts bush over Mad Cow scare. I say that because I've been studying demons watching him and that guy's got evil in his eyes and evil in his actions. He says Bush didn't do enough quickly enough to stem the tide of panic. And he says we need federal control and federal funding to help you rancher. And I'm not saying I like Bush. My point is, he's guys are all globalist trash folks. He's another Yale boy.

Dan (00:17:01.000)

Yeah, so the audio on that episode is also borderline on us. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty pretty bad. What? Yeah, hates Dean hate evil. Dean's a snake? Snake. Dean. Sneaky snake. D he's,

Jordan (00:17:12.000)

he's putting us all on double secret probation.

Dan (00:17:16.000)

Yeah, he's, he's a didn't is they helped Mad Cow. Sometimes.

Jordan (00:17:23.000)

Yeah. Yeah. I do appreciate how Alex tries to turn even the best things into like, Oh, he wants to help ranchers like no, I mean, yeah, he does. He does. You can say weird, but that is what he wants.

Dan (00:17:35.000)

There is a lot of mad cow talk during this time. Sure. It was a very hot issue. Cows are pissed. And Alex has some weird thoughts. His belief seems to be that there is so much more mad cow than people are saying. Wait, so there's a ton of mad cow? Yes. Okay. And most Alzheimer's is actually mad cow.

Jordan (00:17:58.000)

Okay. But he also doesn't think Diem should say we should do anything about it?

Jordan (00:18:03.000)

Well,

Dan (00:18:06.000)

it's unclear. I like it's in a tough position. Because obviously, like a lot of the transmission of mad cow comes from feeding cows, dead cows, or contamination of food supplies for farm animal. Right, right. And wash your hands everybody the issue there is, ah, how do we solve this regulation and enforcement of regulations. And so that puts Alex in a little bit of a bind. And so he doesn't really have much to say other than he throws out the term Creutzfeldt Jacob a lot. And I guess he thinks that that just proves all his points. Sure. He's like, it's just Alzheimer's. Everybody. Most cases are mad, just all the time. That's not fair. Minimizing All right, but Right, right, right. He's saying that it's so much more prevalent, like, sure. We all are already living there trying to attack the small rancher and kill off their cows.

Jordan (00:19:07.000)

So the problem isn't that there's a lot of mad cow. The problem is that they've been covering up how much Mad Cow there has been.

Dan (00:19:16.000)

And they're making a big deal out of it now. With the small ranchers. Gotcha. Put them out of business and people who Howard Dean wants to help, allegedly. So we enter a down period. Sure. There's not much, not much going on. And then we jump back in here on January 5, and I'm not actually even sure this is super relevant. But Alex talks a little bit about bush, and this is weird.

Alex Jones (00:19:44.000)

And this weekend listening to talk radio, I heard the big national host two separate ones praising him. Oh, he got some quail. Oh, he's such a hunter. Did you see His chainsaw. He's such a Texan. I mean, this would be like if I went to New York and started talking about what a great New Yorker I am. I'm tired of it, folks. It should mitad Crawford Ranch is a set complete with old tractors, hay bales. Everything is a set. And a couple of times a year Bush goes out with a chainsaw. A giant chainsaw will cut one inch trees, and it's just mindless. I'm just sick of it. Oh, he's such a good country boy. He's like John Wayne. I can't handle any more of it, folks. I'm uh, I don't know six seven, loss generation Texan. I think more than that, what 1829 Spanish land grants 1830 On my father's side of the family, my mother's side German immigrants in the 1840s Say your illegal immigrant matter but it's just a symptom of all the other phoniness the the turkey put together by you know, some chef presented to the troops. No one was allowed to eat it. The the fable of Jessica Lynch that being a fabrication, Bush and the Made in USA boxes behind him last year. Up in St. Louis, Made in USA. It was really made in China. My point is, it's an illusion. It was an illusion with Bill Clinton. It's an illusion with George Bush and so many people. I mean, they think wow, he's out hunting for quail. He must be pro Second Amendment. That's what there's a neocon was saying this weekend. Then I flipped channels here. Another one praising him. Oh, he's so wonderful. You know how hard it is to shoot quail. He so manly. Shoot and quails about the easiest thing there is on the face of the planet. You find quail, and you got a shotgun. Only a complete moron couldn't shoot him. It's a ground bird. I've shot giant stacks of them. I've never missed. I'm just tired of it. I can't handle it anymore.

Dan (00:22:20.000)

Why are you so mad about people being like, Bush got a quail.

Jordan (00:22:25.000)

Um, you know, I think for people who have such deep seated roots in a place the idea of somebody some carpetbagger coming in and putting on these affectations. Someone who's acting as though they're somebody who didn't have millions of dollars acting as though they were like the everyman should someone who didn't have even one boat, you know, they were trying to act like something they weren't. You know, I think that made him really angry to see someone else act like a thing that they were not actually themselves.

Dan (00:23:01.000)

Yeah, yeah, I get what you're putting down there. Yeah, I was being real subtle. Yeah. I think that was a mix of that. And maybe just a little jealousy that what it is it's jealousy. Yes. No one gives me credit for being a big manly man who should stack see quail.

Jordan (00:23:18.000)

See, it's 100% Jealousy. I want people to say how great a Texan I am. That's why I'm gonna vote for the guy who I think will call me the Texan in

Dan (00:23:27.000)

the White House. True. It's wrapped up in that identities are wrapped up in that identity. And yeah, I mean, sure. I guess they are Crawford ranch isn't like a fully operating ranch. But like, how could it be? Yeah, they have lives in the city he told they need to, I think is Alex's family ranch, a fully operated

Jordan (00:23:50.000)

ranch and Alex works on it for 14 hours every day while researching while also recording his show. I

Dan (00:23:57.000)

don't think it was but I think recently if you remember Alex says his dad's getting back into cattle. Cattle on the ranch. God Yeah, I don't know. I just I just felt like ooh, this is interpersonal. This isn't political. This is no no this is Alex that's his heart in his feelings. So again, a little bit of adult stretch and we get to January 8, and we get some deep we get into the meat well, scandal has broken out a scandal. Yes. Oh shit. This was not something I remember.

Alex Jones (00:24:34.000)

So we know that they stage we know that it's an advertisement technique of propaganda. It's a pitch Okay, that's what's happening. They're using high tech advertisement techniques to sell us an image to sell us an idea that they're our Saviors give our rights up. They'll keep us safe. But the hypocrisy comes in here. This is all for Rush Limbaugh's website. The making of the money shot And it says, Did any of you wonder when you saw this photo of Howard Dean and Bill Bradley, who's D in Iowa, Powell, the diminutive Dr. Dean, who claims to be five, eight and three quarters, appears the same size as six five former NBA star. We did too. Well, the images below grabbed from CNN is covering show us how that feat was pulled off with some skillful platform, like the panels for larger images, and they've got a clip to provide and to see what's afoot. They got a video clip. In the first frame Bradley is speaking and you'll notice that he's standing on a platform. While Dean watches far in the background. When Bradley introduces Dean, they switch places Dean steps up and Bradley steps down. The series of images show from behind how their position switch puts them at a relatively equal height. Having dupe they are willing accomplices in the media, what they think all of us, you idiots in America, they turn for the money shot and suddenly are vertically challenged Democrat front runner is as tall as the imposing looking as the former NBA superstar endorsing him. And yes, this is how they staged things. But that's the oldest thing in the book for politicians that aren't very tall to have a box.

Dan (00:26:20.000)

Yep. So the scandal is rush limbaugh is really mad. Yep. That they made they gave a box or a platform. Sure. So Howard Dean would look as tall as Bill Bradley, which no one in their right mind would think is like, they're standing on level platforms if they are appearing to be the same height. Because he's a tall man.

Jordan (00:26:47.000)

Now while I now while I recognize that it is 2003, which is the past and I remember all of us being much, much less sophisticated back then. Yeah. But I truly believe that no one was like, wow, look at six foot five Howard Dean. Yeah. And I think anybody thought that

Dan (00:27:08.000)

one of the big photos that you can find here if you'll look at my screen there that's from Getty Images. Yeah. And it shows

Jordan (00:27:15.000)

it clearly shows Bill Bradley again. No one's actually taller. He was in the NBA no one could possibly it maybe here's what I would accept if that was like a guy if it was a guy my height, you know, six feet tall. And and he looked exactly my height. And we're only talking about you know, judging a few inches and it's like his dating profile height. You know, like I'm five foot 10 on my dating profile, that kind of thing. You know, maybe that's that's a little bit of possible deception, possible staging something. He

Dan (00:27:46.000)

said, he's five, eight and three quarters. That's bad enough.

Jordan (00:27:49.000)

But Bill when you're down to the quarters, the height of Michael fucking Jordan, right. There's no way that you're gonna be like, Oh, I think that is him. That's crazy.

Dan (00:27:58.000)

I also wasn't fully paying attention as I was listening to this. I don't know. I got distracted by something. And I thought they were talking about Sean Bradley. And it was like, that's gonna be tough to cheat. You're gonna need a big platform.

Jordan (00:28:12.000)

Better than I mean, better than Marion Bradley, I suppose. He was six foot eight.

Dan (00:28:17.000)

Sean Bradley was seven, seven.

Jordan (00:28:19.000)

I know. That's what I'm saying. Okay, that would be better. Yeah. If

Dan (00:28:23.000)

Sean Bradley. were next to each other they'd need

Jordan (00:28:27.000)

to choose. Sean Bradley. were next to Bill Bradley. were next to Howard Dean. Whoo. That's that's like your chart of evolution is what that is. That's

Dan (00:28:35.000)

like a roller coasters. Slump. sloped downward. Tony

Jordan (00:28:40.000)

Hawk should jump off the ramp. Police did that they're all three holding.

Dan (00:28:43.000)

So I thought this was pretty petty. And maybe not that interesting. Oh, yeah. And I was getting ready to judge Alex for it. Sure. But then there's a twist. Okay. Of course there's a twist. Alex doesn't really care about that.

Alex Jones (00:28:56.000)

Okay. But why Limbaugh ship there and make a big deal out of Howard Dean trying to look tall compared to people committing felonies. Fair or handing out fake turkeys. And I stared. These very talk show hosts these Neo cons that don't care about open borders that don't care about Bush planning to sign the assault weapons ban. Don't care about all the, you know, the sell out of Taiwan to China. They don't care about that. They squeal when Hillary went to Afghanistan to present turkeys to the troops. And of course it was a staged event. Yes. It's obvious, but it was bad when she did it. And simultaneously I heard it on one big national show in the same 10 minutes. Good when Bush does.

Dan (00:29:43.000)

Yep. So it's yeah, you got

Jordan (00:29:46.000)

it. Man. You figured out how American politics work.

Dan (00:29:48.000)

I thought I thought it was interesting that you have this stupid critique of the presumptive Democratic front runner primary Sure. And Alex resists taking that and actually aims the critique at Rush Limbaugh. Yeah, and these folks who are like why are you so mad about this but not mad at Bush doing photo ops right? stuff? I thought that was interesting because it's a small, maybe not that important point. Sure. But it's at least like I can't really argue with

Jordan (00:30:23.000)

it is more interesting than what Rush Limbaugh did. Yeah. So that's a that's an achievement for Alex. We should all be very proud of him in 2003. Well, he's

Dan (00:30:33.000)

prioritizing a pop shot at liberal deem. Yeah, which is something

Jordan (00:30:41.000)

while at the same time wrapping it all up in his other meaningless pot shot towards other people staging bullshit fair. Yeah. So ultimately, none of it means anything. No.

Dan (00:30:53.000)

And neither does this next call.

Caller 1 (778) (00:30:56.000)

I just wanted to one another comment. I used to work at this television show. I don't know if I should say name, because it might give them a bad name. But

Alex Jones (00:31:03.000)

you could shine the name of anything you want, sir. It's called the First Amendment Exactly.

Caller 1 (778) (00:31:07.000)

Well, that's what I'm about to get to. Okay. A friend of mine I work with he used to roommate with him, but I moved out because he was just completely. I don't know, it's I guess, jerk. Maybe. Okay, fine. Go ahead. And I brought up a couple of points. You know, I was like, Yeah, you should listen to this guy on the radio. He's like, Well, radio shows are global and trying to trying to talk bad about yourself trying to just say that your utilised smells like you No, no, he makes complete sense to me. Um, I think outside the box, you know, and I guess he's just brainwashed or something. But I tried to tell him about Pearl Harbor and how the President knew about it as like two weeks in advance. And he's like, No, they didn't know that

Alex Jones (00:31:52.000)

they allowed documentary classified and public now. Yeah. And

Caller 1 (778) (00:31:56.000)

everybody had to work. But that was crazy. Or some terrorists. They labeled me anti American, just because I believed the President's not a good person. And the government can't be trusted, you know. And that was, it made me really mad. Because I mean, shall

Alex Jones (00:32:08.000)

I guess all the founding fathers or terrorists as they shut don't trust the government?

Dan (00:32:12.000)

Or the Founding Fathers who made the government anyway? Yeah, this guy's is wrong. Yeah, it was Alex. Yeah. It is not widely documented and declassified that FDR knew about the Pearl Harbor bombing two weeks in advance. Yeah, that would have been an issue. That is an interesting conspiracy theory that is like come down from the sort of anti intervention ISTS Yeah, of that time. Yeah. You know, obviously, a lot of people had the let's not get into the war argument. And not all of them were Nazi sympathizers. Yeah, sure, sure. But I do think a lot of the ones who maybe drifted towards these conspiracy theories might have had some overlap with people who had some

Jordan (00:32:54.000)

maybe sympathy had it doesn't sound true.

Dan (00:32:57.000)

But then the the two weeks in advance and the declassified stuff a lot of that has to do with a book called day of deceit, by a guy named Robert Stinnett. And it's all just nonsense. But anyway,

Jordan (00:33:11.000)

I think I think we would have found out if time travel that existed through that last clip. Interesting, because how do you mean, because if timetrax Travel existed, then once Alex said, Sir, you can say anything you want. It's called the First Amendment future Alex would have tackled him off of the stage and been like, Hey, man, you cannot say whatever you want. I get it.

Dan (00:33:34.000)

I wanted that guy to say what TV show we worked out. I know. That would have been interesting, because law and order. No. I would bet dollars to doughnuts. Yeah. That you'd never have heard of the show. Yeah. And it's not because of the time that it was 2003 it would have been a show that no one had ever might have been on a local accent. Right. Right. Right. But no,

Jordan (00:33:56.000)

it makes sense. So at least

Dan (00:33:58.000)

we got a call. Yeah, that's good. Sure. Now,

Jordan (00:34:01.000)

the reason I decided he actually worked on Aqua Teen Hunger Force in 2003.

Dan (00:34:05.000)

Yeah. With loads that concurrent?

Jordan (00:34:08.000)

I think it wasn't that far off. Maybe maybe like three years off. Ah,

Dan (00:34:13.000)

that's weird to think about. Yeah, it's not dwell any longer. Okay, fine. How old? So the reason I decided to stop on January 8, yeah. Was I heard that Alex had a guest on that I got pretty excited about. And it's a guy named Brett BERSIH. He's a guy who is a progressive activist. Sure, and has been for a very long time. Interesting. And he had been arrested for protesting bush in 2002. I'm listening. And so I thought like, well, this dynamic is going to be fascinating. And so Alex discusses his arrest a little bit here. Okay.

Alex Jones (00:34:55.000)

The Justice Department is now prosecuting Brett Bergy. who was arrested for holding a no war for oil sign at a bush visit to Columbia, South Carolina, local police acting under secret service orders established a free speech zone half a mile from where Bush would speak. barzee was standing amid hundreds of people hearing signs praising the president. Police told burnsy to remove himself to a free speech zone. Mercy refused and was arrested. Because he said that he asked a police officer. It was the content of my shine. And he said, Yes, sir. It's the content of your sign. That's the problem.

Dan (00:35:32.000)

So this is a little bit of a pickle. Because in many ways, Alex is on the right side of the issue here. And as much as it is true that Bush and his administration were not respectful of protesters rights. And there are a myriad of examples of people who received punishments they probably shouldn't have because of that. Yeah. On the other hand, Alex is full of shit. And he doesn't even deal with this story appropriately, which I can test is a testament to how unreliable Alex Jones is as a person to listen to, even when he's making an argument you agree with, you can't really be sure he's making that argument on a basis that you should agree with. And you can really never know if the things that he's saying are accurate and true.

Jordan (00:36:10.000)

And what's most important, as you cannot trust him, even if he does help you out with whatever it is you're doing, I expect him to immediately change his mind instantly.

Dan (00:36:20.000)

It's it's a liability. Yeah. So this is a story about this guy named Brett Bersih, who's a longtime South Carolina progressive activist. When I say long time, I mean that he was arrested for vandalizing the Selective Service Offices in 1970. Over his opposition to the war in Vietnam. Fuck yeah, he has a huge resume. And this is far from the first time he was arrested. Yeah. And when you get right down to it, if you look at his record, it doesn't seem like he and Alex would get along at all. For example, He was once arrested for burning a confederate flag, which Alex would take issue with hell yeah. He protested the candidacy of Lester Maddox for Georgia Governor in 1966. Maddox was a segregationist, who would go on to win the election and be a supporter of George Wallace, his 1968 presidential campaign, which employed most of the people who formed Alex's ideology like Gary Allen. Yeah. Beyond that he was a member of the Southern student Organizing Committee, which would later be folded into the Students for a Democratic Society. And I think you can guess what Alex's forefathers in the John Birch Society had to say about that. Oh, no, they

Jordan (00:37:23.000)

loved it. They were definitely not communist sympathizers. He

Dan (00:37:26.000)

founded and it's still the director of the South Carolina progressive network who advocate around issues of social justice, including LGBTQ rights, which Alex's a staunch opponent

Jordan (00:37:37.000)

still now are still in 2003. To now 2023 Yeah, damn, this dude is a fuck yeah, man. In

Dan (00:37:45.000)

short, if there ever was a lifelong globalist agitator, according to Alex's ideology, Brett Bersih would fit that bill. Yeah. As for the issue of his arrest in 2002. There's some fudging of details here in order to sell the story, but at the same time, it is almost certainly nonsense that he was arrested. There are a couple of misrepresentations in the clip that we just heard from Alex. The first is that Alex said that the Secret Service set up a free speech zone half a mile from where Bush was going to speak, and that's not strictly accurate. They set up a restricted area that was 100 yards in each side of this hangar, and then half a mile in the area between the hangar and the highway. Sure, however, it is worth noting that an official from the airport told The New York Times that they set up a free speech zone half a mile from the hangar so that could be where that information came from. Yeah, the hangar is where the rally was taking place, not where Bush was landing, just to be clear, he still had to get there to the hangar. The restricted area was not fully restricted the whole time. This is the piece that Alex isn't clarifying when he says the bursary was standing among hundreds of people. He definitely was at one point because the restricted area was free for pedestrians to mail about until pretty shortly before Bush arrived. The people who were attending the rally needed to wait in line to get in people who were waiting in line for tickets were there and there were people with signs within the restricted area until it was shut down. Once the restricted areas became restricted. The ticketed rally attendees went into the hangar and everyone else was asked to exit the area, which according to court documents was what happened except with BERSIH. Right. Bersih has said that the officer said the content of his sign was the problem. But outside of the statement, I can't find corroboration of that. It's entirely possible that it was said or it's possible that the content of his sign definitively indicated that he was not a ticketed rally goer. So that meant that the protocol would be you have to move. You know, like Yeah,

Jordan (00:39:41.000)

it would not I know you didn't buy a ticket. It wouldn't

Dan (00:39:43.000)

be plausible for the officer to think like hey, maybe you're waiting in line to get in.

Jordan (00:39:47.000)

George Bush. I hope it gets lit on fire by a wild wombat. Yeah, you didn't buy a ticket, sir. Got

Dan (00:39:53.000)

my 20 exactly like what Come on, man. It seems it seems unlikely. Yeah. And so None of this is to say that he should have been arrested. But the particulars of it are not really being accurately conveyed. I

Jordan (00:40:06.000)

don't. Right. Right. Right. But I mean, even then the the larger issue is that there were free speech zones. And that's fucked up. And everything about that was going to lead to him being arrested, if you go out,

Dan (00:40:17.000)

it becomes it becomes a pretty hard question of, at what point? Is it an abuse of restricting areas? And at what point is it a common sense, rational need to protect people? Right. And I think there are probably a bit on the wrong side of it. I think the Bush administration probably did abuse, some of that restricted area.

Jordan (00:40:43.000)

I really appreciate I appreciate the think they'd probably I come.

Dan (00:40:49.000)

But I also don't think I don't think in principle, it's blanket wrong to have restricted areas when there are people who should be the target.

Jordan (00:40:58.000)

I recognize someone throwing a shoe, I recognize what you're saying. But again, he had that shoe coming. So we have

Dan (00:41:09.000)

the have to balance some things. And I do think that this was out of balance, but at the same time, it's important to wrestle with that, I think, and Alex is giving no time. Yeah, it's easier

Jordan (00:41:21.000)

to say, hey, that was fucked up. But it's a lot harder to say, how do we fix that? And make sure it doesn't happen? Right. Yeah.

Dan (00:41:28.000)

So but the misrepresentations, I believe, keep going.

Alex Jones (00:41:31.000)

First, he stated that he had already moved 200 yards from where Bush was supposed to speak. Birds, he later complained the problem was the restricted area kept moving. It was wherever I happen to be standing.

Dan (00:41:43.000)

That is also not accurate. What happened is that Bersih set up shop on the southwest corner of Airport Boulevard in Lexington drive with signs and a megaphone. When he was approached by officers, he decided to cross the street and go to the northwest corner of the same intersection. Both of these corners were within the restricted zone, the zone didn't move to wherever he was, he just wasn't aware of where the boundaries were. I don't fully fault Bersih for this one, because from everything I can tell the boundaries of the zone may not have been well communicated in as much as there weren't like barriers and stuff to fully say you have to be behind this line

Jordan (00:42:20.000)

boundaries of the zone where wherever it was the cops felt comfortable with people being outside of the zone.

Dan (00:42:25.000)

Not necessarily right. It was an established area. Right. It was set.

Jordan (00:42:31.000)

I mean, the line, though there wasn't an exact line there was

Dan (00:42:35.000)

but it wasn't demarcated. Okay. And that could give the appearance that it is arbitrary, or wherever the police wanted it to be. Right. But from everything I can tell from looking at the court documents, that is not the case. Right,

Jordan (00:42:48.000)

right. Yeah. I mean, again, if you're gonna have a restricted zone, put orange cones up. It feels I don't disagree. You know, it feels absurd that we're here. It

Dan (00:42:55.000)

was fully explained to him by the officers. But yes, I totally agree. But there shouldn't be some fucking cones. What do we do at very least, there should be physical representations of later this is the line. Yeah, please stay behind the line for everyone safe.

Jordan (00:43:11.000)

Yeah. And that's, that's the other version of you know, like, Oh, if people bought tickets, we need to make sure that this area is safe. Keeping that line and making that something that people are aware of is the same thing. It's keeping them safe. You cannot have a question about that. Otherwise, that's going to become a point of contention. Drew and then you're gonna get into an argument.

Dan (00:43:34.000)

So there's pretty severe consequences coming from this.

Alex Jones (00:43:38.000)

Burns, he was charged with trespassing. Five months later, the charge was dropped because of South Carolina law prohibits arresting people for trespassing on public property, but the judges that meant in the person of US Attorney, Strom Thurmond Jr. Charging version, with violating a rarely enforced federal law regarding entering a restricted area around the President of the United States If convicted, or as he faces a six month trip up the river and a $5,000 fine federal magistrate Bristow, Mark shet denied Mercy's request for a jury trial.

Dan (00:44:17.000)

So it is true that South Carolina's trespass statute was under applicable because the airport is public property. It seems completely insane to me that Strom Thurmond Jr. would deem this something worth wasting public resources on to recharge this case, but you can see his name so you shouldn't expect much from this guy.

Jordan (00:44:34.000)

Can't imagine a Strom really being on the wrong side of history.

Dan (00:44:38.000)

It's fascinating. I mean, he is Strom Thurmond son, right. And then his son is named Strom Thurmond the third oh my god, and like I don't blame him for being named Strom Thurmond Jr. He didn't choose that. But now that he's got a third Yeah, that's what's so great about the name strong. You know,

Jordan (00:44:54.000)

you know, what I love most about America is that we decided at the very beginning We decided OF CUPS cod Declaration of Independence, no aristocracy, Dan, no entrenched ruling class, no more of this transferring power from the King to his son to the sun, none of that it's all about merit. Dan. That's what America is about.

Dan (00:45:19.000)

And that's why we need to repeal the death tax. Exactly. Interesting. So Alex is also he's discussing this punishment that Bersih could face in terms of like absolute worst case scenarios, which were never going to be applied. In the end, he got convicted and had to pay a $500 fine with a $10 assessment on top. That was the verdict that came down on January 6, two days before Alex is doing this episode, series, every reason to know that he's full of shit about what the consequences working right, right Bersih appealed his case. And the Court upheld the lower court's judgment, it seems really fucking stupid. And the abuse of these free speech zones was a big issue in the early 2000s, leading the charge against these free speech zones, and all this was none other than Alex's mortal enemy, the ACLU, who constantly seem to be doing the things that Alex wishes someone would do. Yeah, just weird.

Jordan (00:46:17.000)

Yeah. Weird. Yeah. You know, it's almost like if Alex believed the things that he was saying, his career would look eerily similar to Yeah,

Dan (00:46:30.000)

I mean, he at least recognize that this isn't like the evil globalist cabal tendril that he pretends it is. Yeah, they're constantly doing the things that he screams about needing to be done. Yeah. Well, for the most part, maybe not. Maybe not all the time, but some of his ideas are a little bit nuts. Right. So anyway, you heard there at the end, but he's not gonna get a jury trial. And that's, you know, that's the case.

Alex Jones (00:46:55.000)

Federal magistrate Bristow, Mark shet denied Mercy's request for a jury trial. Oh, another little caveat. I thought we got those because his violation is categorized as a petty offense. I love this stuff. It's they got laws all over the country where they take your house, if you leave town, your 20 year old son has a beer party. They got several cities in New Mexico do this. And then they come in and take your house and you can't have a trial because, well, it's a it's a shitty ordinance. But the ordinance says they take your house, but you don't get a trial.

Dan (00:47:31.000)

Man. I've been to all kinds of beer parties in my life. ton of them were in people's parents houses. Yep, a bunch of them got busted up by the cops. I guess it was lucky that I grew up in Missouri where you don't lose your home if your child has a beer party while you're out of town.

Jordan (00:47:44.000)

Yeah, that would have been that would have been a real interesting next day at school. Yeah, you know, like, Hey, what happened? That party you threw was so great last night. I mean, I left a little bit early. So I heard the cops game. What happened next? I

Dan (00:47:56.000)

don't have a home anymore. Oh,

Jordan (00:47:59.000)

you don't have

Dan (00:48:01.000)

I can't count the number of times me and my buddies would be hanging out and they're like, you're going to the beer party.

Jordan (00:48:06.000)

Better watch out. They might steal your folks house. Oh, man.

Dan (00:48:09.000)

It's just it's a party. But it's not a beer party. We got vodka this time. Oh, well, they can't do anything, go to jungle juice party.

Jordan (00:48:18.000)

Cool, but I like the doors, otherwise, the cops will steal it.

Dan (00:48:21.000)

Anyway, I want to put a little bow on this section here where Alex is telling the story of Brett BERSIH. He and I can be in agreement about the bottom line issue. Namely that Bersih shouldn't have been prosecuted. And the Bush's presidency was a time when the right to protest was being chilled by the government. And that's a big problem. However, this is a conversation and an argument that you can make on its merits. You don't have to miss characterize a situation fudge details and sensationalized things in order to make that point valid. And this is part of the reason why it isn't useful, necessarily to listen to Alex in order to even to get a good point. Right, right, you can get that good point articulated more really, and more honestly, and just as well, somewhere else, right? Maybe it won't be as entertaining. Maybe you won't, the person isn't going to scream like Terry Gross isn't gonna scream, right. But you might get better information that couldn't be more useful to your life.

Jordan (00:49:18.000)

Yeah, you know, I mean, what you've done is made a really compelling point for why both Alex and the media are really incapable of doing a good job, which is that Alex is able to sensationalize this story to the point where maybe you would find it more interesting than if it were to be told in the media. However, it is far less accurate, whereas the media doesn't know how to sensationalized an accurate story without relying on any number of different sleight of hand tricks. But

Dan (00:49:51.000)

you know, but you wonder if that's sensationalizing in and of itself is it hurts the truth Actor? Wow.

Jordan (00:50:01.000)

I mean, I think that's I think we're the example of that, though. I mean, clearly I heard the truth factor.

Dan (00:50:09.000)

I've been meaning to talk to you. I think I think the thing that I come to is that there's there's this like Alex's reporting of this story in such a way, that if you are somebody who listened to him, and you're trying to make this argument that bush is chilling, the Free Speech of people being able to protest, right? Like you're making this argument to somebody, and they're like, this guy got six months in jail just for having this sign. And someone who is able to say he got a $500 Fine, you don't even know what you're talking about. Right? You will lose the ability to come off as, like knowing your point totally when you are right, right. Your point is correct. But you have like ammunition that will jam your gun. Basically, if you want to use that metaphor,

Jordan (00:50:55.000)

that's but that's Alex's child. Like, that's Alex, being a child. That's Alex being a child, because he cannot process the idea that you would give a shit over a $500. Fine. So to him, it's like, if I tell you this injustice happened, but the only consequence of the injustice was 500 bucks, you'll be like, and there are worse things. Right. You know, I

Dan (00:51:18.000)

don't I don't particularly care that much about a $500. Fine. I think that's kind of like a small thing in the grand scheme, compared to like six months. Sure. Sure. No, no, absolutely. But it's also the principle of the thing is what's important, and I think that everything I can tell about this bursary guy, I would assume that though he appealed the case, it was not about not paying $500. No, it was about the principle of the matter of justice, ostensibly. And I also think that from everything you can tell from his history, he did a number of things that were meant to be confrontational in terms of protest and how Yeah, they vandalized is there's no point Rick through the Selective Service Office. Yes. He had to know that there was a risk that you weren't going to face jail time for that. Yeah.

Jordan (00:52:07.000)

And he did and went, Yeah. And he chose it. Yeah. And he continued. Right. And he faced his consequences there when he accepted them. And that went that's, that's protesting. Yeah,

Dan (00:52:17.000)

exactly. In that vein of protest that he is involved in, or was involved in as a younger person, probably not. Now, as a like, I don't know how old he is. But he's, you know, not not to college activist anymore. We'll

Jordan (00:52:31.000)

see him five years down the line.

Dan (00:52:33.000)

But like, that is a risk that you accept when you put yourself in places where there is the possibility that can happen. Right. And I think I would guess, that he knew that when he was there. protester Yeah, I would assume,

Jordan (00:52:52.000)

well, that's what makes it a valuable protest. If you are not causing any problems, and you're just sitting quietly in the free speech zone, then you have not really protested a fucking thing now have you?

Dan (00:53:04.000)

Yeah. And I think he knew that. Exactly. And I think that that was intentional. Exactly. Also, from what I understand. It's fascinating. Like, he got arrested for the the vandalism of the Selective Service Office, because the guy he did it with was an informant. Like some guy who, like infiltrated

Jordan (00:53:27.000)

their group. You know, I just want to say that the FBI has done great things for America. And I can't think of any one of their million missteps that has created a far worse world than if they had never existed.

Dan (00:53:40.000)

Yeah. So there's a New York Times article about him too, and so that he ended up spending almost two years in the penitentiary for malicious destruction of property as he puts it for spring. Hell no, we won't go on walls, but not before he spent some time hiding in New York City. He says he his family feared he would be killed in prison. Then he was arrested in Texas for buying 500 pounds of peyote buttons, but beat that charge on a technicality. Hell

Jordan (00:54:07.000)

yeah. So that's a protest. Right? That's the way you do it. Yeah. So it looks like he was

Dan (00:54:13.000)

engaged in some hallucinogen crimes and also, principal protests.

Jordan (00:54:19.000)

Ken Keyes, he spent two years or so in Mexico, before being deported back to the United States. I mean, I think it's, I think it's the way you do it. You gotta run. Listen, some

Dan (00:54:29.000)

of us get 500 pounds of peyote button. Let's have beer parties.

Jordan (00:54:34.000)

We all lose our houses in the end. What

Dan (00:54:36.000)

are you gonna do? So anyway, they're taking away juries, as evidenced by this case.

Alex Jones (00:54:41.000)

Show understand, folks, you don't get a jury trial. He was facing six months in federal prison and a $5,000 Fine. Body The Constitution says What if the offense is above $20? You get a jury trial but the Feds the judges say no, no six months. prison and a $5,000. Fine. That's petty. You don't get a trial. You starting to get it? Oh, we take your house, but you can't have a trial because you can't have a jury trial because it's a it's a city ordinance. Oh,

Dan (00:55:16.000)

there are, like limits for like what you can have a jury trial for civil cases. Yeah. But that in terms of like, what the punishment is, per se, right. He doesn't understand civics and the legal system at all. And what I find more fascinating, I

Jordan (00:55:32.000)

bet that never comes back to bite him in the ass.

Dan (00:55:35.000)

Oops. That's that's the thing. He also seems to have no curiosity about it at all. Yeah. So the right to the jury trial does not strictly apply to offenses that are not deemed serious, which the Supreme Court defined as ones that carry a possible penalty of over six months incarceration, this delineation was put into place by a 1970 decision. So this shouldn't be news to Alex. You know, if you're facing up to six months, it's not past that. That line,

Jordan (00:56:05.000)

every time I hear anything about what the Supreme Court said, I think we're all fucking insane for allowing them to exist. But also that is insane. This

Dan (00:56:13.000)

shouldn't be a surprise. No, it shouldn't be insane.

Jordan (00:56:16.000)

It shouldn't be a surprise to Alex, but even to you. Shocked to me, like,

Dan (00:56:21.000)

if you are charged with something like let's say, a first time DUI, you don't get a jury trial. You're not going you're going in front of a judge.

Jordan (00:56:30.000)

Right, right. Here's what I understand that you're good. I respect that. I respect that. I just mean that the idea that the Supreme Court would say a serious offense is six months. But as a as if that was not a completely arbitrary and bullshit made up thing.

Dan (00:56:47.000)

Um, they just said, I'm guessing that there are also factors that come into play about like, if the penalty could be, you know, three months in jail and $100,000 or something that's still then that's also a serious case. Sure. I'm sure that there are gray areas, but generally speaking, if it's over six months, incarceration, it's automatically a serious offense. Right. So like, think about how jammed up the courts would be if you required a jury trial. For every Pisac crime that someone gets charged with, it would be impossible to function, and everyone would be constantly being called for juries. Yeah.

Jordan (00:57:24.000)

It would almost point out how silly it is to arrest people for those ticky tack bullshit in the first place.

Dan (00:57:32.000)

Some of them some of them maybe not. I think a DUI maybe

Jordan (00:57:38.000)

somebody for and I think a DUI maybe deserves more than six months. Not a date. Well, I don't know. We'll see.

Dan (00:57:45.000)

I think there is a an incredible difference between the first time and the second toe. Do you agree? I think that a lot of people myself included have been at least eligible for one Yeah, and at the same time not recognize the severity of it. Intel shit got real. Exactly. I mean, I when I was much younger when I was like 1819 I got you know, I got arrested for a DUI like it wasn't a DUI in the end. Yeah, but I did end up in some trouble for drinks drinking to drive it right right. Up till that point, you know, it's there was the dumb idiot kid thing of like, it's no big deal. Yeah, I can handle it. I can, you know, sure. And it was not the arrest that ended up making it clear to me that I couldn't it was what happened right before it when my car slid off the road right and I couldn't control my car right that made it very abundantly clear to me and then the following rest when the police showed up Yeah, was more like a formality for me. It was okay. Yeah. All right. Here we

Jordan (00:58:48.000)

go. Yeah, I listen. I get it, guys, but my dad is going to be mad when I get home so you can arrest me or whatever. But let me thank you. Oh, yeah, we know what the real problem here is.

Dan (00:58:57.000)

And the reality is I would never have gotten a second one and if I had like six months in prison for the first one, I think that would be excessive as hell right? Right for most people probably generally with the first time but if you still continue to then drink and drive I think that right that's that's when there should be like pretty steeply rising judgment.

Jordan (00:59:20.000)

I'm just I and that I that speaks to my point of the arbitrariness of six months. Look at all the conversation we had. And then and but the idea that some asshole some asshole and eight other hassles get to be like, six months is a major one. without us having any say. That's crazy. I don't know. We live in a crazy fucking place.

Dan (00:59:43.000)

I get what they're saying. abstractly I kind of agree with you. But functionally, I think that maybe it works. Maybe Maybe. I don't know. Well, look,

Jordan (00:59:55.000)

we may always disagree on that.

Dan (00:59:57.000)

I think I think that there are massive overhauls. of the justice system that definitely needs to happen. And maybe that one isn't super high up on the list. Maybe.

Jordan (01:00:08.000)

I mean, abolishing the Supreme Court is

Unknown Speaker (01:00:11.000)

that's a, that's a larger issue.

Jordan (01:00:13.000)

I'm not trying to I'm not trying to go you look to go to

Dan (01:00:17.000)

the Supreme Court is a whole other issue. And whether or not you should have a jury trial for something would be three months.

Jordan (01:00:25.000)

Right. Okay. So while you put it that way? Sure.

Dan (01:00:30.000)

Anyway, I was really excited for Bersih to show up. Yeah. Because I thought, you know, these guys are clearly on different pages. Yeah. You know, this is going to be a very interesting conversation of a longtime progressive activist who has clear principles surrounding a number of issues that Alex has a big problem. But yeah,

Jordan (01:00:55.000)

I'm thinking of Bill Ayers. I'm thinking read Redux of Bill Ayers. Do that that whole like little ticky tack back and forth where Bill Ayers is unflappable? Yeah. But the

Dan (01:01:04.000)

difference would be that Alex went into the conversation with Bill Ayers, knowing it would be nice, yeah. And this one might be something that catches him off guard. Unfortunately, this does not come to pass. So

Alex Jones (01:01:17.000)

before we go to Robert and John and others, that are patiently holding, and we do have the international forecaster joining us in the third hour, and you did not want to miss bob chapman, because he made amazing predictions. Three years on this show. And unfortunately, they've all come true. All all predictions. I don't even know if I can believe these. But it's amazing. He's got a great track record. So we'll go over with bob chapman, our liberal friend who was convicted, admittedly, for protesting, the judge says, Yeah, you can't protest the President with folks that support him on a public street. Brett burnsy was real paranoid when we talked to him yesterday and well, let's just talk radio. Well, not gonna get you know, ambushed on the show. No, sure. You're not go to the websites. Look at him. We've been calling and call on his phones busy. You know, he may have the wrong time zone that happens sometimes when a guest doesn't show up, which is quite rare. But the show

Dan (01:02:21.000)

I get the sense that he probably looked into it a little bit and was like, No way. No way.

Jordan (01:02:28.000)

Okay, this is talk radio. And what he said to assuage my fear was go look at my at his website, I go to prison. planet.com. Fuck this.

Dan (01:02:37.000)

Yeah, I would assume that that was a radio guest goes to. Because phones busy. You can't imagine if you're him that this is going to eat like, like I said, even if you agree on the bottom line issue, this is not like serving your interests. Yeah. This is not something where there's going to be common cause found that that's meaningful. This isn't an ally of the only way to win is not to play. Yeah. And I find that a little bit disappointing for my entertainment value. Yeah, it's also kind of like, if you assume, which I mean, maybe it's a big assumption because I haven't listened to the next day's shows or anything. Sure. Who knows. Maybe he shows up on the next day maybe is was a timezone issue. Yeah. But you assume that he learned a little bit more and was like, I don't want anything to do with this. That is the opposite of disappointment. Yeah. That is like, Yes, that's good on you.

Jordan (01:03:35.000)

That is good instinct. I was I was just thinking that reinforces my like, of this man. I appreciate if he's, if he's got that under his belt, too. Damn, this guy's got it. At the

Dan (01:03:45.000)

same time. His history does seem to have a lot of willingness to be in places of confrontation. So yeah, you know, painful confrontation.

Dan (01:03:55.000)

That's a good point. Yeah.

Jordan (01:03:56.000)

So isn't that a really good point?

Dan (01:03:58.000)

This would be very trivial and pointless

Jordan (01:04:00.000)

Zack. Wow, man, this guy's got it. So anyway,

Dan (01:04:03.000)

bob chapman is going to be coming up. Sure. Bob Chapman, of course, for our folks who have not listened to a lot of these mass. We haven't really heard bob chapman in a while. Yeah, he's someone who is a weekly guest of Alex's in the 2008 2009 timeframe. He is a guy who is a gold salesman. He is shameful, and shameless gold promoter.

Jordan (01:04:28.000)

He works day profit.

Dan (01:04:30.000)

He works with Alex's main sponsor the Midas resources, who sell gold Bob promotes the gold and tells people they should go to Midas resources. He is also a flagrant racist sure and made his start profiteering off apartheid gold a

Jordan (01:04:47.000)

what he lived in I can't even joke about not excusing that lived in Rhodesia for a while. That guy could go fuck it

Dan (01:04:56.000)

has a newsletter or I called the International forecaster Sheriff is supposed to be about finances and whenever you veers into pretty racist territory, from time to time, I found an archive of

Jordan (01:05:08.000)

that and it is grim ah, the history of money is pretty racist.

Dan (01:05:11.000)

This is different though. Okay. So anyway, Bob is coming up. And before we get to that, we had another call. And this is interesting because this guy is a big old sovereign citizen. Sure, and Alex pushes back on him. Okay, but not for the reason you'd think

Bob Chapman (01:05:27.000)

there are no citizens in Texas. No, Texas citizens, no Colorado citizens are either one of the three categories that I just mentioned. All right, well,

Alex Jones (01:05:35.000)

let me just telling you this, you go declare yourself with the sheriff and everybody, a citizen of your county, state, let me finish, they're going to take you to jail steel, they're going to charge you in their same system.

Bob Chapman (01:05:46.000)

Okay, here's the thing, you have to go through a three step process. So

Alex Jones (01:05:50.000)

I've been doing this for 10 years, and I've heard all this and I've watched it. And let me tell you something does not work

Bob Chapman (01:05:56.000)

where it's about to work. There's a gentleman by the name of John Jennings that's in the process in Florida doing it, he's already won the case not in Atwal card, not a case law court, in a state court. And in law court, where you're doing what was legislated by state legislators, not by a judge presiding at the bench, you see a difference.

Alex Jones (01:06:18.000)

I appreciate your call. You know what I'll do to you. I'll do some shows on the Federal Reserve. I'll do some shows on the 14th Amendment, I'll do some shows on common law, and the end the incorporation of the stage and incorporation the District of Columbia. But believe me, and I'm not mad at you color, it's good point you're making 98% of people listening do not even know what you were talking about. And so we can't just sit here and one call and go over this. But it gets into admiralty law, maritime jurisdiction, which is the Patriot Act, which is what they're saying, now trying to replace the Constitution, the Organic Law, the stuff that comes to the card on 1214. And the MacBook card sign I know, 1000s of years ago, 3000 years ago, with Moses and the 10 commandments. That's why they're trying to remove the foundation of Western law that came out of Israel. They're trying to remove that now. And put in Roman Civil Law. I'm sorry.

Dan (01:07:19.000)

Yeah. What's Yeah, don't you know that?

Jordan (01:07:23.000)

What? Yeah. What? What? Yeah, Dan? Yeah. Dan. Yeah. What? It's clear.

Dan (01:07:34.000)

They're trying to get rid of the Constitution, which is, by way of the time command, Mount Sinai,

Jordan (01:07:42.000)

where's the where's Hammurabi? And all of that? He's

Dan (01:07:44.000)

not in the mix. Ah, he's on the team of the Roman is all over again. Yeah. So they're trying to replace this with Roman

Jordan (01:07:54.000)

law. Roman Civil Law. Yeah.

Dan (01:07:58.000)

I mean, it's tough.

Jordan (01:08:00.000)

To have a law degree in Roman Civil Law. I can tell

Dan (01:08:02.000)

you, Alex doesn't I don't think he does. So yeah. The issue here is that Alex agrees Yes. With the sovereign citizen types, and this guy, and he might even believe in stuff that is outside of that, to the that whole notion of like, the divine backing of the Constitution, that kind of Yeah, that that area of I hesitate to call it scholarship, but that area of people writing things

Jordan (01:08:38.000)

area of things that can be read with eyes. Yeah,

Dan (01:08:42.000)

so Alex is fine with that. His problem is like, dude, this doesn't work.

Jordan (01:08:46.000)

Yeah, he does up here that that is the issue. Not that it's wrong. Yeah. impractical. Yeah. Not that it's made up fantasy land.

Dan (01:08:54.000)

It's this stuff is real. And you're totally right. But the people in control have guns, and they won't let you be a free person on the land.

Jordan (01:09:03.000)

Right. Right. I mean, they do see the issue there Right. Like the combination of those two things means that it doesn't really matter if they're right or not.

Dan (01:09:15.000)

It does seem to indicate that there is not power and being righty that's a good yeah, that was that was a little bit upsetting. I mean, we know that Alex is basically quite sovereign citizen adjacent or just in a but it's it sucks to have this guy who's is somebody who knows that there's a decent chance he could push back on some points that he's making but instead you're like, it just doesn't work doesn't work. You're totally right. But guess what, you're screwed. I you

Jordan (01:09:48.000)

know what that raises a question. Is it possible to hold within your mind the idea of truth being everything that everyone does all day? Every day is 100% unconstitutional, and at the same time live within that society without harm or trouble. Or is it got to be one or the other?

Dan (01:10:10.000)

I think it's one or the other. And that's why Alex has lived so long because his beliefs are nonsensical, and he doesn't really believe them. Right? At least most of them right. And that's that's why he can not raise an army against he's a gay Walker. He can have all this shit that he talks about and not raise an army against the courts right, or whatever,

Jordan (01:10:32.000)

or wind up bill coopering himself. Yeah,

Dan (01:10:35.000)

yep. Yep. And make a lot of money. So anyway, speaking of money, bob chapman shows up for sure he has some financial predictions.

Jordan (01:10:43.000)

It's gonna go great, Bob,

Alex Jones (01:10:43.000)

what is the New World Order? What are they doing financially? What do you see happening in the near term, and then long term?

Bob Chapman (01:10:51.000)

Well, the dollar will continue down another 40% versus the dollar index as well as the euro or whether the Europeans like it or not. And it's been overpriced for a long, long time. The price of gold this year will easily go over to $5 $512. And ask, could very well go to 680 or 840, for that matter, depending upon what happened.

Dan (01:11:15.000)

Bob is very wrong. Gold peaked at about 456 An ounce in early December 2004. far short of his low end prediction. Yeah, it's been a fair amount of the year under 400. Even Bob's close to right about the dollar, though, but his numbers are a bit off in spirit. He's correct, though, that the dollar did drop in 2004. But that was already part of a trend that had been going on for like the past year. So it's hard to give him a lot of credit for that. Yeah, but he's not far off. Except for the he's flagrantly wrong about gold. Yeah. Which makes sense. Yeah. So gold salesman.

Jordan (01:11:51.000)

I mean, I don't understand why financial media of this type even exists, because it can't, it can't be anything other than self motivated or self involved. You know? Yeah, you'd

Dan (01:12:03.000)

have to have people who

Jordan (01:12:09.000)

will literally do it. Yeah, you literally can't. There's no possible way to altruistically predict that things will get better. Well, you know, are like, Okay, I am predicting that the price of the dollar will go up. And I'm doing that not because I have any involvement at all, but because I want you to get more money out of it. Here's what doesn't even make sense.

Dan (01:12:30.000)

You'd need monks. You wouldn't need monks. Yeah, you would need people who study the financial stuff and all that and have sworn off any kind of material possessions they have their tongues are cut out who is paid for or whatever they're they're taken care of, but not by anything that could be affected by the financial system cannot

Jordan (01:12:54.000)

be corrupted by scandal or anything along those lines. Yes, I

Dan (01:12:59.000)

think that that's impossible to attain probably the next best thing I think, would be don't take financial advice from someone who sells gold. Don't take Bitcoin advice from someone who sells Bitcoin smart move. Just go

Jordan (01:13:11.000)

ahead. Don't get into the stock market, because people from the stock market say it's a

Dan (01:13:15.000)

good idea. Be wary of advice from people who are suspiciously biased.

Jordan (01:13:22.000)

If someone tells you what to do with your money, because it will make their lives better. Just stop for a second and think

Dan (01:13:29.000)

Yeah, maybe. Maybe they're lying about it helping you a lot. Yeah,

Jordan (01:13:32.000)

maybe you should try and help somebody else's life. Yeah, I don't know. So we got one

Dan (01:13:36.000)

last clip here. And it's Bob, making more bad predictions.

Bob Chapman (01:13:39.000)

The first thing I've got to tell people is please get out of debt. I know you have to have a house, get the tax write off, but everything else clear it out. And then you move into gold coins. And once you've done that, you move into gold shares. And at the end of the road here, wherever gold and silver going to, you may not want to sell what you have in exchange for fiat currency.

Alex Jones (01:14:03.000)

Well, I've been buying gold for three years and it's all increased in value, whether I bought it at 250 or 350. And people are calling me saying you want to sell that gold. And no I don't

Bob Chapman (01:14:18.000)

got a long way to go. I mean, this this that we haven't even finished phase one of three phases. Gold is going over $3,000 An ounce with silver, gold, hard to say but it could easily go to back to its high and then the 40 $50 area and perhaps even to 100 because they just isn't the out there.

Alex Jones (01:14:35.000)

Now you're saying 500 By the end of the year easily. Where's this 3000 Mark?

Bob Chapman (01:14:42.000)

That's probably an O five.

Jordan (01:14:47.000)

Oh, so okay. So in the next 12 months, it will increase by about 10 to 25%. And then in the next 12 months it will increase by 8,000%

Dan (01:14:59.000)

It's It's ambitious. So gold did continue to go up a bit. But these numbers are insane. Gold peaked at about 720 in 2006, before dropping back to 550, and then bouncing back at the end of the year ending up around 635. These numbers that Bob was saying are outrageous. And it's hard to imagine them being predicted by someone who wasn't a gold salesman pretending to be a forecaster. Yeah, this is what I don't know how you could look at this and pick this as a responsible.

Jordan (01:15:32.000)

I mean, it's I the only thing that you could even try and say is like, Oh, you get it. They're joking there. It's an entertainment show. That's that's as good as it gets. Because beyond that, if you take him seriously, he's stealing from you. He's a thief. He's committing fraud.

Dan (01:15:47.000)

Well, here's, here's the interesting wrinkle at this point. So when we've heard Bob in 2008 2009, it's very regularly, he sets it up, and then they knock it down sales page for Midas resources, or he's like you can get my newsletter, my forecast or newsletter and called Midas resources, they'll give you a free piece of silver along with your first issue. Right? Right. That isn't the case in 2003. I don't know if he is intimately related with MIDAS resources and TED ANDERSON at this point, but he is not throwing it to a Midas plug, or linking his newsletter with Midas. Okay. So there is still like very aligned interests of Alex being syndicated by a gold salesman, and Bob making comical predictions about gold. They're still that, but it's not as overt. It's not. Maybe this is still in the like, period where they're feeling it out. The partnership. Yeah,

Jordan (01:16:50.000)

I mean, it could be like a, it could be like a wire thing. You know, you don't want the you don't want the kids who get the drugs. They're not the kids who give the drugs. You know, they're not the kids who take the money. Everybody's got a separate job. Right.

Dan (01:17:03.000)

Right. The you have the drugs under a rock. Right.

Jordan (01:17:07.000)

Right. The runners. Yeah, but it all

Dan (01:17:11.000)

sort of blown up that game by 2008 2009? Because it is the same kid. Yeah. Delivering the drugs.

Jordan (01:17:17.000)

They were like, nobody's nobody cares.

Dan (01:17:22.000)

I don't know. I think that there is a decent chance that they're not as intimately involved. As is like, clear partnership. Point.

Jordan (01:17:30.000)

Oh, no, maybe in the next year. It's like, Oh, hell yeah. Get in here. You're on our team yet. This?

Dan (01:17:38.000)

Is our prediction suck and

Jordan (01:17:39.000)

100%. You're 100% I would see him as like a business opportunity if I were Ted. Yeah, that makes sense.

Dan (01:17:46.000)

Yeah. And so I'm interested in, you know, these things that are happening in 2003 2004. Now, I'm interested in this as another thread to watch because a number of the people that we know from our time and Infowars are absent, you know, like Bob hadn't been around to 2003. So now we can see how he grows as a figure getting to the point where he's a weekly guest, right? See where that happens along the line. There's still other figures who are like major characters who like where are they like Steve magenic hasn't shown up. I want to find out where he shows up at this period. I know what kind of swings is he given? I would have been lost.

Jordan (01:18:28.000)

What if he starts out? Because here's because here's what you would expect, right? If this were a normal thing, he starts out with some light cuts. No, you know, he starts out and works his way up. No, I if it Steve, I have to hope that he starts out higher up than anything we've even thought of before they

Dan (01:18:46.000)

come in. He's like, 16 Now there's gonna be a counter coup against Hillary Clinton and we're gonna put a Trump and dog it's got to

Jordan (01:18:53.000)

be it's got to be something that fucking incredible. What if he does, he'd be amazing. It'd be amazing. Of all the of all the things that would prove this simulation, yeah, Israel,

Dan (01:19:05.000)

whatever it is, I want to find that I want to find his episodes. And it's really hard. There's no like, listening anywhere, have like, guests and when they were on and stuff, so it's really just turn it on. See if he's see if he's there. And I guarantee you, when he finally shows up, when I turn on an episode, it's like, Oh, my God, Steve pertronic on today. I'm going to run through a wall. It's going to be real built up. Yeah. Anyway, we come to the end of this. We're closer Yes. To where we need to be for the lights. You're so close to. Yeah, I'm very excited. We do have some mentions of Howard Dean, which is you know,

Jordan (01:19:48.000)

the ball is rolling up out. And it's called foreshadow. Yeah, he's

Dan (01:19:52.000)

a snake. Hate him. So we will get, we will we will make our progress through there. And we will discuss the Iowa primary caucus.

Jordan (01:20:03.000)

So funny. So funny to go back to this time period with a bunch of idiots. Everybody would do those three should shut up and stop. If they only knew Yeah, but if they only knew you're gonna

Dan (01:20:15.000)

be a podcast 20 years from now, but how everyone in 2020 Shut up.

Jordan (01:20:21.000)

I know. And I agree with that show.

Dan (01:20:23.000)

So let's shut up. Well, until next time.

Jordan (01:20:26.000)

Oh nicely.

Dan (01:20:28.000)

And until that time, we have a website.

Jordan (01:20:31.000)

Indeed we do. It's not like.com Yeah, we'll

Dan (01:20:33.000)

also put up a link to the fundraiser in the description of this episode. So if you'd like to chip in, that'd be wonderful. But we're also on Twitter.

Jordan (01:20:42.000)

We are interested to acknowledge underscore fight. Yeah. Oh, the back but until then,

Dan (01:20:45.000)

I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm dz X cork. I look, I know it's getting annoying, but this is the best drop in the world. Oh, you

Jordan (01:20:52.000)

know what? X. And now here comes the sex robots.

Andy In Kansas (01:20:55.000)

Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. Well, Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.