Transcript/701: June 23, 2004

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Damn and Jordan, I am sweating.

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I have great respect for knowledgefight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.

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Knowledgefight.

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Damn and Jordan, knowledgefight.

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I need, I need money.

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Andy and Kansas, Andy and, Andy and, stop it.

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Andy and, Andy and Kansas, Andy and, Andy and, it's time to pray.

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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first-time caller, I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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Knowledgefight.com.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledgefight.

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I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh, indeed we are.

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Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan.

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Jordan.

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Quick question for you, sir.

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What's up?

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What's your bright spot, Dan?

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Tanis!

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Trying to preempt you.

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That would have been great.

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That would have been fantastic.

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Um, no, I've seen a lot of tweets about Tanis, and so I figured I would try and get it out in front of it.

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That wasn't my bright spot, but.

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Whoa.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It was great.

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It was a good morning.

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It was a good tennis morning.

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In reality, my bright spot is, over this weekend, made a rare public appearance.

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Yes.

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Outside of my apartment.

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It was nice.

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I was able to, I was invited to Jared Holt's wedding, friend of the show Jared Holt, and it was a very nice time.

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It was lovely.

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I have not been to a wedding in a very long time.

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Covid.

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Also, a lot of.

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You know, stuff.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And so, yeah, it was a nice time in a botanical garden.

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Wonderful.

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So, it was, always nice to see people in love.

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Hahahaha.

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Why are you laughing?

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Hahahahaha.

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I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

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There's nothing funny about that.

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It is always nice to see people in love.

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It's just something silly to hear me say something like that.

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No, it's just that it's nice.

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Okay.

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There's nothing silly about you, Siq.

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So yeah, what about you?

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What's your word?

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My bright spot is yesterday, I dropped my partner off at the airport, and later on,

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she landed.

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Well, the landing is good.

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She landed completely fine.

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I like that.

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Everything was fine.

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My bright spot is I went to somebody's wedding, and your bright spot is my wife's gone.

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My wife left me!

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She left me!

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And all the magical spells I kept to keep her here, they're only proximity based, Dan.

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I don't know if she's going to care after this.

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Well, they also, maybe these spells helped her plane land safely, so you can, you know.

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Yeah, no.

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We'll get it that way.

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It was, it is interesting because it was basically like that, it was the closest I'll get to

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sending a child to summer camp.

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I was like, okay, do you have all your stuff?

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Is everything packed and ready?

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Are you going to be okay?

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Don't miss me too much.

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You know, that whole thing.

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Do you have an emergency number?

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Oh, absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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I'm ready.

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But yes, she's happy, having a great time, and I'm alone.

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So it's good news for everybody.

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Hey, all right.

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So Jordan, today we've got an episode to do.

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Oh yeah.

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There's a lot of stuff going on in the present day.

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Certainly we have the situation in Sri Lanka.

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Naturally.

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We've got the Abe assassination, but I gotta be honest, Japan and Sri Lanka are not countries

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that are that important to Alex in the past.

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It is strange.

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They have not been major movers and shakers within globalist conspiracies, and I don't

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particularly care what his take on any of it is.

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Or at least I'm not in a mad dash to find out.

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Yeah, I'm fine without that.

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Yeah.

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I mean, what are you going to say?

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It's all an attack on the globalists, probably.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, I think the only interesting thing I would be like, what's his take on the homemade

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gun?

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Oh.

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Is he fine with homemade guns or are those against the rules because they take money

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away from honest, hardworking gun manufacturers?

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I think that his take would have to, I think I've heard him talk about like 3D printing

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and stuff.

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Sure.

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He has to be in favor of it.

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Yeah, he would have to.

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Yeah, because otherwise you would be like making a commercial necessity for the existence

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of your right to defend yourself.

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Does seem to be the case.

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Can one craft a spear out of a stick for self-defense?

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Yes, you can.

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You don't need to buy a sword or a spear.

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You can make a shiv.

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Sure.

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I suppose.

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This is the Second Amendment.

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That is an interesting conversation that I think the Supreme Court will eventually get

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to.

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Undoubtedly.

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It's coming soon.

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So it turns out that I made a little bit of a mistake.

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Uh-oh.

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So Boxcar Willie Nelson Mandela Effect sent me a message.

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I don't have a name on this person, I also don't have a name on their son, but they reached

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out and asked that we do an episode for their son's 18th birthday.

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Naturally.

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Which was June 23rd.

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That was yesterday.

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Not quite.

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I mean, it's next week.

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We're recording this on June 22nd.

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Nope.

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Nope.

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We're gonna do this, we're gonna pull it off, Dan.

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We're recording this on June 22nd, I don't know when it'll be released.

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We're not.

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We gotta own up to it.

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We're late.

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Alright.

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Anyway, Boxcar Willie Nelson Mandela Effect reached out with plenty of time and advance.

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Maybe too much time in advance, honestly, and I said, I'll make a note, I'll make a

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note about this.

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It'll happen.

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It's exciting.

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It's your son's 18th birthday.

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In the calendar.

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I cannot say no to people who ask me to do things.

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You really can't.

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And so I did make a note, and I lost it.

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I also told them to send a message to remind me, which they did, but it was in the inbox

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that is completely out of control, and I did not see the message.

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Oh, man.

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Hey, we're only a couple weeks late.

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Let's just remind everybody, it is just the two of us, and that means you.

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That means it's just you.

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Yeah.

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And sometimes, look, email and various inboxes are completely destroyed.

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Oh, no.

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But I can't handle them.

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Chaos.

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I can't manage them.

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I'm trying.

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Anyway.

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You're doing great.

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We're late.

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Yes.

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But I wanna wish a happy birthday to Boxcar Willie Nelson Mandela Effect's child.

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Of course.

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And say, hey, very excited that you're gonna register to vote.

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Very, very fun.

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I wish you the best.

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Don't buy a gun, make one.

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And so we had a request to do this episode about the day that this child was born.

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And so this would be June 23rd, 2004, and that is what we're doing today.

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All right.

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We're gonna be going over...

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Right on time.

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Happy 18th.

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Happy 18th.

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Happy 18th in some days.

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You turned 18 just in time for Jules to be outlawed.

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Welcome.

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Oh, boy.

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So this episode is actually pretty fortuitous.

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It's interesting that this was a randomly chosen episode based on this birthday, because

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there's some stuff very much worth touching on here.

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Sure.

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I'm excited about that, but I would like to give a happy birthday message in the only

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way we know how.

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Giving someone life is giving someone death.

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You could say that life is death.

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Happy birthday.

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Happy birthday.

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Now, let's begin here on June 23rd.

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Here is why this is a fortuitous episode for us to cover.

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And also, Randy Weaver is here in Austin, Texas, and I've been meaning to get him on.

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I just hadn't gotten around to it.

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He may be coming on the show as well today.

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Got a new book out, of course, from the Ruby Ridge tragedy back in 1992.

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Yeah.

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Randy Weaver is, Alex is saying, he may be coming on the show.

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Right.

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He, of course, is the father involved in the Ruby Ridge standoff, whose wife and child

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were killed by the government.

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Yep.

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And also, just a bit of a nutty guy, it's kind of difficult sometimes to disambiguate

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the tragedy that happened and the mistakes, egregious mistakes in some respects, that

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were made by the government in terms of carrying out that whole thing.

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And him also just being not a great dude.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, you know, when you start one of those standoffs, it's usually not because you're

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in the best place.

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And then when the government murders your family, that usually doesn't like improve

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things.

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So, can't argue with that.

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There's a lot of really shitty stuff about him.

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You know, obviously there's the fact that he was hanging out with the Aryan Nations

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compound, that he had sold illegal weapons, that he was probably deeply anti-Semitic.

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There's a picture of him that you can find where he's wearing a shirt that says, just

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say no to the Zog, Zionist occupied government.

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Obviously.

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So he had a lot of those ideologies, but again, none of that justifies killing his wife and

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his child.

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Yeah, the whole murdering their family thing is the real problem here.

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Like I get he's a racist piece of shit, but don't murder his family.

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Right.

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I feel like that's not complicated.

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I think that as you, you know, from my understanding of it and my looking into the events of that

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standoff, it's not like the government came in and they were like, ha ha, we're going

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to kill your family.

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No, no.

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There's a lot of worst case scenario situations that ended up spiraling and leading to what

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happened, which isn't to say that the people who did kill people should be off the hook

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for it.

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Right.

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Right.

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Because the government murdered these people because they were anti-government or whatever.

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Folks like Alex may want to portray it.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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It wasn't a premeditated murder, but it wasn't exactly an unmeditated murder either.

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Well, you've talked a bit about the, the Ruby Ridge situation in past episodes.

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And so I don't want to dwell too much on it as like a, Hey, let's talk about this for

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half an hour.

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But it's wild to see Randy Weaver appearing on Infowars.

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That's not something that I was aware happened.

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I didn't know that he was like somebody who would go on Infowars.

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I didn't know that he and Alex were acquainted.

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I guess I could have assumed that on some level, but like, I don't know if I've ever

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heard, like I knew that Alex had worked early on in his career to try and help rebuild the

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Mount Carmel church for the Branch Davidians.

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Right.

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And I don't know if I've ever heard Branch Davidians on his show.

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Right.

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I knew that he supported Randy Weaver and you know, the, the Ruby Ridge situation is

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obviously a catalyzing and radicalizing moment for a lot of the right wing.

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Naturally.

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But I didn't, I didn't know that he would ever appeared on Infowars, which is surprising.

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Did he, did Randy Weaver make a ton of media appearances following like the years?

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No, no, no.

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I mean like afterwards for sure, but like over the years, did he continue to have that?

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I think he probably did make a number of them, but I would assume that they'd be like, I

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don't know, like an ABC documentary, not like a 2020 or a 60 minutes kind of thing.

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I would, I'm surprised, I'm surprised to hear him on Infowars.

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Not because I think that his standards would be higher, but just not a great place to go.

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But I think that the reality is that this interview is mostly happening because Randy

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Weaver's got this book coming out as Alex referenced, he's on a book tour and he does

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mention the next stop on his book tour is a Mexican restaurant on some highway outside

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of Austin.

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Like it's a ways it's in Texas and Alex can't figure out which one it is because there's

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multiple of this Mexican restaurant on that highway.

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No, come on.

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Yeah.

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So they do spend a bit of time trying to figure out.

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Get a little who's on first.

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Yeah.

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You got to take a left at the exit, but it's the one with the corner that's got the fountain

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on it.

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Not that, no, not the McDonald's.

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It's basically that.

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Yeah.

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And so he's making an appearance at this Mexican restaurant where he's not going to give a

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speech, but he'll answer some questions and then everybody's going to have a nice dinner.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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And then also I guess calling into Infowars is part of the book tour.

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I'm surprised his book tour was not so successful that I found out about it because this Mexican

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restaurant situation seems very promising towards his further career.

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Man, I think I'd go to a book event at a Mexican restaurant.

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I could get a burrito and hear about the crazy right wing politics.

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I ran an open mic out of a Mexican restaurant for a long time.

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So yeah, I've been there, but we...

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Didn't go well, did it?

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Didn't go well.

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Didn't go well.

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Nope.

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I imagine this book event didn't either.

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Anyway, I have completely ruined the surprise that he does end up showing up because Alex

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Singh is trying to get him on.

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Sure, sure.

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He does in fact appear.

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And we'll get to that interview, which is wild.

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I believe that.

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Eh, I'm overselling it.

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It's... there's a couple things that are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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Okay.

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But wild might be a stretch.

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Okay.

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So Alex is mad at the ADL.

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Good.

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You'll never guess why.

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Oh, I don't know.

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The ADL urges Texas DLP to modify party platform calling America a Christian nation.

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And you better do it.

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I would imagine the Christian coalition in Texas will agree.

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We don't want to be antisemitic.

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I mean, decide you're Christian is basically antisemitic now and so being sarcastic here

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folks, but that's what, I mean, man, what, when are these people going to stop?

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I mean, Yeesh, when are these people going to stop?

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I mean, that is an interesting way to be like, we don't want to be antisemitic, no, sarcastic,

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obviously.

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I mean, no, the part where I, the part where I was making, wait, no, anyways, these people

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are, wait.

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Oh no, no.

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Oh boy.

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Yeah.

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That's, that's a mess.

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And then the other thing too, is that like the obvious conflation that's going on is,

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is, is shameful.

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And that is that the complaint is the Texas GOP part of their platform is that America

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is a Christian nation, right?

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That is troubling for groups that are non-Christian because that's basically saying like this

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country is about us, not you.

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We own this nation and we allow you to live here.

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Exactly.

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Yes.

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And Alex is conflating that with the idea of saying that you're Christian is antisemitic,

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which is not at all what anybody is asserting.

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He's using this sarcasm in order to create a straw man to argue against because the actual

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position and the actual complaint that's being made is something that he actually, he can't

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argue against.

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No, no, no.

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I mean, the fun part is that just because you say something in a sarcastic tone does

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not mean that you are also admitting that it is true.

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You know, like, Oh, I like to see the sun outside.

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Like no, you do.

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Why?

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I don't understand why you're being sarcastic about that.

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You don't like Jews.

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Thank you.

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One of the things that I think you're going to see, and I noticed on this episode in particular

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is that that is one of his like major rhetorical tactics is this sarcasm being used to create

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a straw man version of an argument that he like, it's the only way out for him.

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There's no other real tactic that he can use.

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Yeah.

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So he covers a story.

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This is one of the big stories of the day.

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And I honestly think like, all right, this is an annoyance, but I don't really know if

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this is like Alex thinks this is police state shit.

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Here's another police state article and I'll get into the giant fleet actions that are

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going on right now and all the torture news and the censorship news, it's, it's, it's

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Legion.

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But before I do that, here's an AP article out of Miami associated press, a shackled

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teacher's aid, tried to explain her predicament to a judge through tears Friday.

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And again, every day I see multiple articles, I have several like this today.

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Vacationing from Riverton, Wyoming, Hope Clark said she had been rousted by federal agents

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at her cruise ship cabin door at 6 30 AM.

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She was put in handcuffs and a bench warrant for failing to put away her marshmallows and

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hot chocolate while staying at Yellowstone national park last year.

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The catch part said she had to pay a $50 fine the same day for the federal offense of improper

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food storage before he was allowed to leave the park.

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Nevertheless, a warrant claiming she had not paid went into the federal law enforcement

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database, which she paid back in the United States from Cozumel, Mexico, uh, on carnival

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fascination cruise ship, Clark was awakened, cuffed, turned over to federal marshals and

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brought to a court in a leg and shackles.

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See, they run your background when you sail now and you face scan, uh, assistant U S attorney,

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Peter Otter bridge conceded there was some discrepancies, but he, but he astonished us

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magistrate judge John O'Sullivan by suggesting Clark should be released to appear in court

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in Wyoming to clear up the warrant.

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O'Sullivan had a copy of her citation indicating the fine had been paid.

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Though her time in jail more than covered the offense, even if she hadn't paid, he apologized

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for what happened to the judge Clark turning to the prosecutor.

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He said, this is a serious matter.

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He wants the U S attorney's office to follow up on the determination and what went wrong.

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Customs agents meet all cruise ships arriving from foreign ports and run random checks for

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warrants on passenger lists.

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And it goes on and on.

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So look, I mean, obviously if you're camping in Yellowstone, uh, or a lot of national parks,

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uh, leaving food out is dangerous to other people because it can attract bears and other

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animals that could cause harm to other people.

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And that's why it's taken seriously.

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Alex can minimize this by being like, she left out marshmallows, but like you could

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get someone killed.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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It's something that there's a reason that rule exists and not just that, but it's just

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like the very basic level of engage with the world that you live in.

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If you can go to the Yellowstone national park and carelessly throw away food as though

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it's nothing, then you fuck you, you know, but don't, you don't go to jail, but fuck

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you.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And that's the reason there's a fine.

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Now the reality of the situation is obviously some, there was some sort of, um, miscommunication

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somewhere.

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Sure.

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Something happened where she paid the fine, but it didn't go into the system or something.

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Someone made a clerical error of some sort.

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She went on a cruise customs, saw the warrant when she came back and now the judge is apologizing

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to her and insisting that they figure out what went wrong.

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The prosecutor is saying, Hey, let's let her go so she can clear up this warrant there.

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Like obviously, yeah, maybe she should have some sort of restitution from the state.

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Like here's a couple thousand dollars for your trouble or something.

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We fucked up.

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Yeah.

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Um, but this isn't police state shit.

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This is an unfortunate circumstance.

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I obviously feel for her.

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I think that it's annoying to be caught up in something like this.

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Sure.

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This isn't that big.

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Why is this a big story for him?

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Right, right, right, right.

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Well, I mean, yeah, I get that at the same time, who the fuck is putting out warrants

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for a $50 fine?

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I bet it's a warrant that would never be served.

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Of course not.

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It's a warrant that would only come up if you get arrested for something else or are

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reentering the country, right?

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So what we really have to deal with here once again is our border patrol is out of fucking

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control.

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Again, it's not border patrol.

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It's customs.

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Whatever.

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They're out of control.

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Customs and border patrol.

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All right.

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Fine.

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They're out of control.

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Even in 2004?

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Always.

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I get what you're saying.

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I don't think borders should exist.

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So of course they're out of control to me.

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I think that this is as close to a non-issue as an issue can be.

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I think that the situation that she had, like I said, big headache, pretty annoying, probably

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puts a bad end to your vacation, but everything seems to have gone exactly right past the

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point of that incident.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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And I don't understand.

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So I also want to point out this.

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When Alex says it goes on and on, whenever he stops reading a story and says that...

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That means it stopped.

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Well, no.

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He has to tell that something has come up in the reading of that story that contradicts

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what he'd already said.

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Ah.

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I gotcha.

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Because he explains while he's reading that customs sometimes runs warrant checks on people

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reentering the country, even on cruise lines.

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And earlier he had said they run background checks and face scan you when you go on these

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cruises.

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And he contradicted that.

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And that's why he's like, I'm going to bail on this before I contradict more of my editorial

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bullshit.

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Right.

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I gotcha.

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That makes sense.

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But anyway, this story, I don't know, doesn't seem...

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I'm not horrified by it in terms of a police state.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it does seem like the judge should have looked at himself and then looked at

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them there and been like, we're here, which means somewhere in the system, any system

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that winds up here, we just need to fix from the start.

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He apologized.

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Exactly.

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The judge apologized.

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Exactly.

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And he should have dismantled the entire legal system along with it.

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But that might just be me.

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Yeah.

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I think that's you.

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I think that might be a little too aggressive for this.

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Yeah.

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It might be an overcorrection.

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It could be.

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Could be.

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So we had a movie coming out.

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Yeah.

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In 2004.

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Which movie?

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Well, it's a movie that Alex is excited about.

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Okay.

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But you wouldn't expect that.

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I am legend.

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Before we do that, 9-11, Fahrenheit 9-11, is coming out this Friday and I intend to

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go see it.

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But again, Michael Moore tells the truth about a few issues, only covers a small area of

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the full spectrum, and then he says that you need to take over America.

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At least his book, Dude, Where's My Country, that they say is just like the film, says

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that.

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So he gives you a bad solution of the Democrats are going to save us.

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People are going to have their eyes, though, partially opened by this movie that millions

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of people are going to see.

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Interesting.

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And I would ask listeners, I got this idea from listeners, a lot of you have been going

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out and making dozens and dozens of copies in the last few weeks, and you plan to go

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to the local theater on opening night and stand out front and hand out some of the videos

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to interesting people.

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Now, I don't expect you to do that.

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If you've got the funds to make a bunch of copies of my films and do that, more power

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to you.

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But how about getting some business cards printed up?

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You can go to Kinko's and get a thousand of them, pretty cheap, printed up, that say,

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learn the truth about 9-11, the government did it, or 9-11, Fahrenheit 9-11 only gives

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you 5% of the story, get the truth at infowars.com or prisonplanet.com.

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I like that he's saying that Michael Moore gives bad solutions, and all of his solutions

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that Alex provides are self-promotion, or you promoting Alex's shit.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Go to these, go to the screenings of Fahrenheit 9-11 and get them to pay me, get them into

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my revenue stream, go recruit.

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This is a perfect recruitment ground.

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Right, right, right.

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So what's going to happen, okay, so Michael Moore is like, we need to let the Democrats

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take over America, that's a terrible idea.

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He gives bad solutions, right?

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We all know that.

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But what you should do is go to an actual business and ask for them to print up business

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cards for a place you are unaffiliated with in order to give a message to someone who

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has never wanted to hear it, and then give them a business card that they're going to

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throw away.

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Probably.

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So he is asking you to politely throw dollar bills at a stranger, and the stranger could

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have at least used a dollar bill.

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Well with the hopes of getting them into Alex's information space.

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Write infowars.com on a dollar bill, you're gonna do a fuck lot better than if you print

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up a goddamn business card.

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I bet a lot of people did do that.

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They always do that.

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Yeah, that is true.

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They do that shit.

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Bill marketing kind of thing.

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Yeah, I think that what's going on is essentially, this is like trying to escalate a premise.

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You have the premise that's introduced by Fahrenheit 9-11, and then Alex is asking people

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to go around and yell, not only that, but at all of these people who are leaving the

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theater.

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It's kind of annoying.

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And also, it's counter to Alex's very consistent positions about Michael Moore, about how much

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he hates him.

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Right, right, right.

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It's like, oh, he's useful right now, because 9-11's my brand, and he's allowed in theaters.

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It is a little bit like if Alex was like, hey listen, go to this Marvel movie, and whenever

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they play the end credits scenes, bust in with your DVD of our post-credits scenes.

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No, no, no, you mean Endgame?

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Yeah, right.

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Go with the Avengers Endgame, and give that Endgame.

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Avengers Endgame, Endgame, colon, Avengers.

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That's the sequel, yeah.

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It would kind of be like if Brian Stelter made a movie about COVID, and then Alex wanted

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people to promote at that movie, and he's like, you know, Brian Stelter tells you half

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the truth.

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I've had a lot of disagreements in the past, but this is going to partially wake up a lot

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of people.

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Fine.

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I can somehow profit off this, so go to see it.

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Everything I believe is malleable and negotiable.

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Now what's wild is Alex ends up actually even playing the trailer for Fahrenheit 9-11.

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Jesus Christ.

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Because people are going to come out of there wanting to do something, wanting to get involved,

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thinking the UN's the answer, thinking the Democrats are going to save them, thinking

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Ralph Nader's going to save them, and you can go, hey, here's a film that exposes Bush

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and Clinton that gives you the big picture.

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Do you want to come out of the matrix?

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But again, I just wanted to air this one more time, this isn't the last time.

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Here's the trailer for Fahrenheit 9-11.

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It's a pretty good trailer, and you can watch it at prisonplanet.tv, by the way, but here

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it is.

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It's a pretty good trailer.

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It's a pretty good trailer.

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So what is going on is just Alex recognizes the radicalization potential.

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There's going to be a certain amount of people who go see this movie that are emotionally

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affected and in a vulnerable state when they leave the theater, and that is an inflection

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point.

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That is a point where they're malleable enough that you can get them to think, oh, what if

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the planes were remote controlled?

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That's why cults recruit at bus stations.

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When you get off a bus, you're ready to join a cult.

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That's just the case for everybody.

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You're in an emotionally weakened state.

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You got no choice.

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You're raw.

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You spend a tough time on that bus.

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You just want to get away from whatever's in the bus now, essentially.

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So leaving all that behind us, Alex's recruitment drive, we get to something that I think is

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one of the great things about listening to Alex in the past, and that is we get these

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little slices of life, these little pictures and glimpses into what his life was like early

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on.

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Sure, sure.

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And he makes a claim about his high school years.

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I don't think this is possibly true.

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I wanted to make a couple of points on psychological testing of children in schools.

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About 12 years ago, I discovered that my school district was doing psychological testing in

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a classroom setting under the guise of counseling.

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Yeah, I was graduating from high school 13 years ago, folks.

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And I'm just in my early 30s.

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And all the seniors had to do it hours after hours of electrodes and TV screens.

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And my parents were never even told.

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Go ahead.

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Every senior at his high school got clockwork orange.

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Oh, man.

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That is nuts.

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Get Ronson on the phone.

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He interviewed everybody at his fucking high school.

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Ronson, we need you.

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I feel like that might have come up.

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Send up the Ronson signal.

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I think unless he went to a completely wacky high school, which he didn't, this absolutely

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did not happen.

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He didn't go to a high school.

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Hours upon hours of electrodes and TV screens.

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He was in Stranger Things.

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He went to that high school.

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He was there with Eleven.

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He wasn't going to these regular high schools.

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They had every single...

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That's where all the abortions were had.

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Every single senior had their eyes pried open and they had to watch flashing screens.

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That's why I can't listen to Beethoven.

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So another...

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He partially opened a lot of people's eyes, though.

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A lot of glimpses into Alex's life were provided on this episode.

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Here's another one about a friend of Alex's dad that he met when he was 18.

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My dad has a friend who's a federal marshal.

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He's retired now.

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He was like one of the head federal marshals in Texas.

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And I was in college, a freshman, and I said, I don't know what to be.

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I mean, I'm not going in the military.

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I might be a police officer.

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I'm going to fight evil people.

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I might be a school teacher.

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He said, look, Alex, you're not a criminal, are you?

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The guy, the big old tall, handsome guy, gray hair, he almost had a tear in his eye.

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I said, Alex, don't, unless you're a criminal.

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You're not even going to go high in things unless you're a criminal.

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I mean, I mean, this is back when I was a naive, you know, 18 years old at my dad's

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office.

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None of this matches Alex's other bio things.

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Like he had a vision from God when he was four that told him all this future stuff.

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And let's not forget that his dad had to move from Rockwall because Alex got in trouble

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with the police that he insisted were selling drugs in a racketeering operation and they

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threatened to kill Alex if they didn't leave town.

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He's not naive at 18.

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This is bullshit.

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Yeah.

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I kind of believe, I believe this story in so far as it would make sense as to why he's

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committed himself to a life of grifting and crime.

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That way, if he's like, you're never, listen, don't become a school teacher.

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You're going to be broke.

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What you should do, grift millions of dollars from people, duh.

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Be a criminal.

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If you want to succeed in the law enforcement also, if you just want to be a criminal.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Be a criminal.

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And that's the way to do it legally because they haven't outlawed it yet.

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Yeah.

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This story is bullshit.

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Uh, when considered in the context of Alex is all of his other stories.

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Also, if he's 18, this is the point where Alex's dad is telling him, stop killing my

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grandkids.

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My grandkids.

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So how naive is he at this point?

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Yeah.

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Also, if he is having this conversation and the guy says, are you a criminal?

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Alex legally has to say, yeah, you better believe it.

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I've murdered multiple people.

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I am 100% a criminal.

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I commit a lot of crimes in this time period of my life.

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About six months ago, I smoked crack on a beach and, uh,

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I pressured this woman into having an abortion.

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She was 16, you know, like a crime.

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Also I stomped a guy's guts in and watched him die slowly, you know, like a crime.

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Uh, also I love this, uh, this just consistent thing with Alex.

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That is everybody who he runs into or is friends with his dad or whatever, they're the highest

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level.

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He's the top ranger federal Marshall in Texas.

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Nobody's ever just like a middle manager at a bank.

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He's the top dentist.

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He's the top federal Marshall, top oil producers in the country, obviously.

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Oh yeah.

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So, uh, the top person, um, who, uh, w wasn't, I don't know actually how you would rank people

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involved in Ruby Ridge, but Randy Weaver's probably the most famous, I would put him

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as number one.

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He's a prestigious member of that, uh, event.

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Yeah.

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And he's on now.

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Oh boy.

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And so here we go.

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Randy Weaver here in Austin, Texas.

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Good to have you on with us.

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Thanks Alex.

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Glad to be here.

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And what's new under the sun, huh?

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Yeah.

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What's new under the sun.

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I mean, accelerated evil.

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We were about to break, but the next three minutes, just in a nutshell, uh, your unique

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perspective, what do you see the new world order as being up to?

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What do you think is most important right now?

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And what do you think they're going to blow something up to take more of our liberties?

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Well, what's most important right now is probably what was important to him 10 years ago.

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And that's the one world government and make slaves out of all his peons.

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So it's important to remember that when he talks about one world government, he's probably

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signaling to some antisemitic conspiracy theories.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Um, and Alex has every reason to know that if he has any acquaintance with the world

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of Ruby Ridge, that entire story, he knows what Randy believes.

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I suspect that on some levels, Alex doesn't know a whole lot about what Randy believes

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based on things that happened later in this interview, but we'll get there when we get

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there.

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I think Alex has very much created a Randy Weaver in his mind and that Randy Weaver believes

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what Alex believes.

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And uh, yeah, those two she'll never meet.

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Right.

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And I imagine that Alex heard Bill Cooper talking about Randy Weaver in Ruby Ridge.

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That sort of flipped some switches in his head.

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Yeah, in many ways, Ruby Ridge at this time is already lore.

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It's already not even a real event so much as it is the story of the event.

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Sure.

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And I think, uh, I think a lot of that happened because of the, you know, that and then Waco

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and the Oklahoma city bombing being inspired, uh, in some ways because of those events.

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Right.

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It does become a larger arc that, uh, the, these, a lot of the specifics, the individual

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details.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, you know, you don't remember horse grants contributions in 1991, you know, you

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just remember Robert Orie, just remember that Orie, big shot.

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So, uh, here, here's another thought that, uh, Randy has, well, you've experienced it.

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What do you want to say to the police, the general public, the people out there in denial,

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Randy?

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Um, their days come and, uh, and it's going to be too late when it happens and they're

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going to be sorry.

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There's going to be a lot of tears and bloodshed and they really should get the fence setters

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better to get off the fence and join our side and, uh, police officer that if he has any

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conscience at all, he better get out, get out and join our side.

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But you can't make it as a police officer unless you're a criminal.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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But then also, uh, I, with all due respect, I'm not going to join your side.

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No.

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Thank you very much.

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No.

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I mean, I mean, is, is Randy Weaver about to read from the Turner diaries on, on air?

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Is that what's about to happen?

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He doesn't get that far.

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That's not the book he's on tour for.

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Ah, gotcha.

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Gotcha.

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Uh, Alex talking about how everybody at his school got clockwork orange.

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Uh, it's, it's part and parcel of this weird narrative he has about the government forcing

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everybody to get on antipsychotics, which, uh, he, uh, uh, talks about here a little

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bit.

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All right.

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Eight minutes and 15 seconds into the second hour, we'll get into the government saying

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we're going to test every child and then adult forcibly for mental illness.

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The government will decide if you're mentally ill and then forcibly drug you with antipsychotics

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specifically.

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They say at least 15% of us will need to be put on it immediately.

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As we know, this happened.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You know, the government years later now, uh, everybody is forcibly drugged with antipsychotics.

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People who get diagnosed with conditions that could be helped by antipsychotics aren't even

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forced to be on them.

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Nope.

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Nope.

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This is ridiculous.

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Yeah.

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They have, they have as of yet not eliminated either droogs or milk, milk, both of those

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still in a full supply.

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I, uh, for a quite a while, I mean, full disclosure, I'm on antidepressants, but like for a very

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long time, uh, I was kind of reticent, not because I think they didn't work, but because

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I was just, you know, going along with talk therapy and such, but I had diagnosed conditions

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and I wasn't taking meds that would have, no one pressured me in any way.

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No, that's the weirdest part.

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All too often I remember is you could easily not be on meds.

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Nobody should have pressured me at some point in time.

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Why was nobody pressuring me?

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Right.

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You know, like at least be like, Hey, maybe try them.

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I would've, I would've been fine with a, Hey, maybe try them.

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Nobody even gave me that.

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Yeah.

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It's so weird.

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The reality of mental health as compared to the version of it that exists in Alex's head.

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Yeah.

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There's like, they're going to test everybody as if it were to even possible to test everybody.

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It's a, it's a, there's a, the diagnosis is not like, you can't just take blood and be

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like, Oh, you're depressed.

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Yeah.

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You know, it's not like it doesn't work that way.

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No, it's a, yeah, I mean it's been a, I'm not going to, this is not a plug or nothing,

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but the, the, the other thing that I've been doing on Fridays, I've been talking to people

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outside of our show and their experiences with mental illness and how I don't want to

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do this.

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This is gross.

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Jordan watches magicians.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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It's a great idea.

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Um, but no, it's really, really interesting because everybody's story around this, regardless

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of whether or not they've had a diagnosis or whether they're just like suspicious or

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they've done talk therapy or tried everything, all unique and none of it has ever been like

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people were clearly helping me get the help I need.

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I bet that does exist for some people, but yeah, it's probably, it's an incredibly uncommon

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thing.

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It's difficult.

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You have to search for it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Um, I think that there's an under understood, um, aspect of this, particularly for people

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like Alex, that is, it's a, it's an active process.

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Like if you're not engaging with it and working absolutely, uh, it often will not, uh, lead

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to any kind of progress necessarily.

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Right.

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Um, yeah.

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And I just think that's, it's silly.

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Like what Alex is saying is silly, but the fact that anybody would listen to him yell

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about how the government's going to forcibly screen everybody somehow for mental illness

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and then forcibly drug everyone with anti-psychotics is, is ludicrous.

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I mean, anybody listening to this should be like, what the fuck is this guy's problem?

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This is obviously about something else.

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You know, it's not, it's not real.

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Yeah.

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Then the fact that this is from 2004 gives me zero hope for, for, uh, what, 2040.

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Not feeling good about the future.

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We have the exact same kinds of attacks on psych meds going on now, every time there's

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a mass shooter.

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Every time there's a mass shooter.

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MTG in the present and Alex of course is still banging this drum, although he's clearly has

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no real ground to stand on, no real foot.

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Imagine if at this time period in 2004, he's banging the drum for people getting help,

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for more people getting the fucking help that they need.

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Well I'm going to just say this, and I can't prove this obviously, but it's a working theory

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of mine and that is the reason that people like Alex and Marjorie are so opposed to mental

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health care is because a large part of their base probably needs some help.

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Takes fake pills.

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Or they need some kind of, or they wouldn't probably be in these communities if they were

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receiving appropriate mental health care.

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Yeah, you know.

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And they would lose their audience and the market that they make money off of were people

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to take their health seriously.

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Right.

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I mean, you know, somehow that sounds cynical.

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You know, the idea that these people are willing to, I mean, perpetuate and exploit pain of

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people who give them their trust implicitly and totally.

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You know, that's cynical.

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I'm going to go even worse, I think that they think that mass shootings are good for business.

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So how cynical are we going to treat this?

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Well I think I can join you slightly as long as we provide the caveat that I don't think

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any of that is a conscious process.

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I don't think it necessarily is a thought that shootings are good for our politics.

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I don't think that Alex or Marjorie are like, ha, let's attack psych meds because people

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in our audience need them and we would lose money if people got healthier.

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I don't think that it's a conscious thing, but I think on some level that is part of

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the motivation.

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There's some sort of intuitive understanding of that.

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I don't think they're in a lounge with a fireplace with snifters of Brandy going, how can we

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destroy the, you know, but it's there.

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I think in some ways it is there.

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So Alex gets back to this story about the woman who left marshmallows out at Yellowstone

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and wants to get Randy Weaver's take on this.

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Burn down the cruise ship!

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What's Randy Weaver's take going to be?

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It's not good.

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And Randy, I wanted to get your take on this Associated Press article.

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A woman, no criminal record, schoolteacher was at Yellowstone National Park and left

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some marshmallows at her camping site while she was hiking.

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She came back.

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There was a park ranger there, gave her a $50 ticket.

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She paid it.

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She has the slip that she paid it.

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About a year later, she was SWAT teamed and then taken in front of a federal magistrate.

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And then she produced the fact that she had paid the fine.

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But the point is, if they'll send a federal SWAT team, a federal marshals, for not paying

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a marshmallow fine, which she did fine, I mean, this is the new freedom, is it not?

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You know, I didn't see that article, but it is so ridiculous the stuff they pull anymore.

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One of the first things I tell people to do, Alex, is to get their gun, get it loaded and

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keep it with them.

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And if somebody wants to come and give you a $50 ticket for a marshmallow litter or whatever,

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I'm afraid I'd tell him to take his marshmallows and his ticket and get out of my face real

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quick.

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Yeah, it seems like a great idea.

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Threaten this ranger with a loaded gun for trying to get a ticket for leaving food out,

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which could attract bears and other animals and be a danger to other people enjoying Yellowstone

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Park.

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If that's your solution for a $50 ticket...

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Which is quite a solution.

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I don't know if I want to hear your solutions for any other problems.

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No.

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I feel like they're all very similar variations on one idea.

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Here's the scene that plays out in Randy's head.

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It's, uh, hey, here's a ticket, you left food out, stick them up, ranger.

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Yeah, right?

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What?

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That escalated a little too quick.

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Walk away.

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I was going to, honestly, I was going to give you a warning if you pushed back too hard,

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but damn.

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Now you're under arrest for a massive felony of threatening a ranger with a loaded weapon.

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And that's when we find out all forest rangers can control animals.

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And there we go.

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Yeah, Randy's advice is, hey, let's escalate this into a thing where everyone is now in

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danger.

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It could just be a warning and a small ticket for something that you did that is against

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the rules and now we're turning it into a life or death situation with loaded weapons

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involved.

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We've seen this article, this woman, she went to a fast food restaurant and asked for no

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mayonnaise and then she got mayonnaise.

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Can I get your take on this real quick?

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Well, this is why I tell everyone to keep a gun and keep it loaded.

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That's what he would say.

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Just always, just always have a loaded gun.

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I mean, if you're camping at Yellowstone, you're agreeing to the conditions of that.

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Like you are in the wrong if you leave food out.

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I mean, I, this is one of those big moments where I would like everybody to understand

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you are less important than Yellowstone park as an individual.

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I am more concerned with Yellowstone park in the long term.

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That's just the truth.

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And you exist in the conversation of the park within the context of the other people that

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are there.

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You have a responsibility both to the nature and to everyone else who has just as much

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of a right to enjoy it as you do.

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And yeah, I don't, I don't understand this being presented as tyranny as much as it is

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just a formulation of making sure everyone is respectful to each other.

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Yeah.

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Like obviously it would be great if you didn't have to worry about people leaving stuff out,

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but you do need to punish it in some ways or else people will forget and they'll just

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leave food out and everybody's going to get eaten by bears.

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Yeah.

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I mean it is, it is like, can you imagine if Narnia had tourists?

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There'd just be garbage everywhere.

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People throw in garbage at Mr. Tumnus's face.

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Like that's the way I've always thought of national parks is like literally I'm going

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into a magical place.

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Well if they allowed tourists, they might get something better than Turkish delight.

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So maybe there's an upside.

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That's true.

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So this, this spiral is out of control and Randy reveals something that Alex really doesn't

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want him to.

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I wouldn't, I wouldn't have paid the ticket.

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But didn't the founding fathers fight so that we could be put in shackles for leaving our

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campsite and then coming back to it with our marshmallows on the table?

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Yeah, that's a, yeah, you tell them about it.

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I mean it's a, it's scary.

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You know what's scary is these people, I think they're aliens.

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I don't, I don't, I didn't grow up with people that think the way they do.

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Yeah, that's a good, good analogy.

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Alex, I believe in UFOs.

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I've seen UFOs.

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People think I'm nuts or not.

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I've seen them.

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I've seen them since the first one I saw for sure was a freshman in high school.

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So you go along with David Icke, you think Bush and all them are reptoids from planet

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12?

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I don't know if he is or not.

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He sure does.

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They act like it.

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Alex is really wanting this to look like a joke or a metaphor, but it is not.

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Not what he was hoping with that, that, that conversation turned the wrong direction so

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fast for him.

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Yep.

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Alex is at this point still trying to brand himself as different from the David Icke and

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UFO type alien because he wants that, that like credibility of like, like how Tucker

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for a long time or even just this week was like, Hey, this isn't Alex Jones shit.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You know, you want that to like to distinguish yourself from something that is a touchstone

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that everyone can agree is silly.

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That's too crazy.

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And so for Alex at this point, it's the alien stuff.

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It's like, no, I talk about documents and the Bilderberg group and yeah, he doesn't

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want Randy Weaver, this large figure of the Patriot right wing movement to be on his show

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talking about how he's seen UFOs a bunch since he was a kid and he believes in aliens and

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maybe that the people in charge are actually aliens.

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So Alex has to pretend that it's a metaphor or a joke and it's not.

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You can't, you know, if you're blindsided by it, you can't turn it around until it's

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too late.

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You know, the moment he said people don't think like that, people think differently,

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they're aliens.

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From when I was growing up, you're like, okay, that's fine.

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That sounds real.

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You know, people are different.

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And then he's like, they're aliens.

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And you're like, ha ha.

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Oh, it's too late.

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No, it's too late.

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Nothing I can do now.

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No, no, no.

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I disagree.

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I disagree.

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Cause if he says, you know, man, you know, there was, they're not like when I grew up,

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I think they're aliens.

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You need to immediately say, ha ha, you said it, my man.

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And then be like, Randy, do you get out to the woods?

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Oh, you wanted to really, you wanted him to really T-bone that conversation with a semi

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truck towards how's how's the kids been?

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Oh shit.

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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Not like that.

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Just shift the conversation into something.

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I'm not saying talk about, but yes, you have to pivot the conversation hard because it's

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so silly for you to allow it to go into like, I've seen UFOs my whole life.

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Right.

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Right.

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Oh no.

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Uh oh.

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Yeah.

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So Alex really wants this to look like a joke.

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Well, so you're that type of person like George Washington though, that doesn't think

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you're a slave.

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That's right.

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I'm not.

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I mean, what's wrong with you?

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Don't you, don't you want to lick boots?

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No, I'm nuts.

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I am crazy.

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You know, we are the nutty ones, Alex, accept the fact and be proud of it.

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I am.

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Take a laugh.

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You're certainly going at it with a UFO comment.

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You're funny.

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Uh, uh, Mr. Weaver, it's great to have a Randy Weaver on with us.

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Okay.

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Now.

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It's not joking.

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He doesn't have the chops for that yet.

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No, he has the like, Randy is being like facetious and sarcastic with the, yeah.

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We're the crazy ones.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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But he wasn't about the aliens.

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No, no, no, no.

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Alex is trying to conflate all of it as joking and no, but you know, he gets off the subject

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with as little damage as possible, I guess.

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Yeah.

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Uh, but it does look bad.

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It does.

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I, I just, I mean, it's hard to go from, what's your take on this cruise thing?

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Uh, shoot people, uh, what's things like now?

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aliens are everywhere.

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Uh huh.

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Okay.

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All right.

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This is also my book tour is going to be at a Mexican restaurant.

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We can't figure out where it is.

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This is a bad interview for everyone involved.

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And here's another really bad aspect.

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Oh no.

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You know what, Alex?

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Uh, I enjoy listening to you and I don't get you very often.

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I even bought one of them fancy shortwave radios, uh, several years ago and I never,

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I still can't get the darn thing to work there in Jefferson, Iowa.

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I cannot pick up a good speakers and talk show hosts like yourself.

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Is it digital?

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Uh, yes it is.

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Well, if you punch in 94 75 during the day, believe me, you can get it in Ohio and Iowa,

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Iowa.

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Yes.

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Excuse me.

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Jefferson Iowa.

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I'd try.

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I can't get hardly anything in there.

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94 what?

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94 75.

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Okay.

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Well, I'll try it.

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94 75.

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Okay.

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And, uh, at night from nine to midnight at 32 10, 32 10, we need to get some affiliates

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and I haven't had them affiliates in Iowa.

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She can listen that way.

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Yeah.

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That'd be much better.

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We're on in, in, in Ohio.

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I guess that's the closest.

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I'm going to tell you what Alex, Iowa is the deadest state as far as, uh, they don't know

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anything and they don't want to know anything.

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It's funny you say that because other states are more faster moving with the tyranny, but

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in Iowa, I talked to people and I, I, I see stuff and you're right.

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What's wrong with Iowa?

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I mean, I enjoyed Iowa when I've been there a couple of times.

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It's a nice state.

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I've never enjoyed Iowa.

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It's fine.

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It's I've been there.

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I don't know why you need to fire shots at it.

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You need to enjoy any state in particular.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Um, I should say I have been looking through Alex's current radio affiliate, so I've been

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doing a little bit of checking in on that and I can say with confidence, huge in Iowa.

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Now zero stations in Iowa, zero stations in Ohio.

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So close.

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Ah, four letter states are not going well for Alex these days.

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No, neither are five.

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How's Massachusetts going?

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That's a lot.

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Might be zero.

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Wait, I think, uh, I think there might be something like outside Boston.

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Not Cambridge.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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Um, but yeah, it's just as much of a presence in Iowa as he did in 2004.

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That seems to be the case.

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So yeah, it's a, it's bad all around.

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You've got to shoot people who give you tickets at a national park.

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You got to talk to the aliens.

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I can't figure out how to hear you on the radio and also I'm speaking at a Mexican restaurant.

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What a, what a smorgasbord of all the things that shouldn't be going on.

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Yeah.

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You know, it's interesting cause I turn on the episode and I hear Randy Weaver's going

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to be on, I'm like, this is huge.

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This is a, this is a pretty big deal.

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This is a diamond in the rough.

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We randomly stumbled across and then the interview is like, so it's H T T P colon slash, wait,

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which slash is it?

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Forward slash.

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And when you put in the address, you have to hit enter.

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Don't forget to write.com.

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Yeah.

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So we've already noticed a couple of times this sarcasm that Alex is using and it really

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is incessant.

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It is essentially his only rhetorical technique.

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Michael Savage calls for putting anybody in a camp that disagrees with the government.

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And I agree we should submit, we should, you know, love, love the government, put our children

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on the trains.

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What's wrong with you, Randy?

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Well, I don't know.

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I just don't like small confined areas, especially if I'm locked into my guests, but the government

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is godlike.

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Yeah.

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Well not to me.

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They're not.

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They don't like to talk or did you hear it?

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You know, like, uh, I prefer verbal intercourse, bannering back and forth, but if they want

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to get in my face with a gun, I'm going to meet gun with gun.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Well, Randy, why are you upset?

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I mean, you know, what's the government done to you?

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If they come to me with a gun, I'm going to respond to the gun.

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Also if they come to me with a ticket, I have a gun.

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You have clearly decided to respond to most of these things with a gun.

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Not all, not all, most of them are not guns.

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So this is just kind of indicative.

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I think Alex uses this sort of technique a lot, but it's over the top on this episode.

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It's just constant.

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The English teacher that I credit with, you know, helping me become a writer and doing

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that whole thing, he used to tell me that sarcasm was a tool of the weak, to which I

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said sarcasm is a tool of the weak.

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And we became- Could you be any more of a teacher?

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We became friends until his death, so it's, I mean, I think people use it as a way to

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express that they're uncomfortable without feeling like they're weak.

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You know?

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You're sounding like that teacher.

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I don't mean weak in that situation.

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I mean like they're not being dominated in some way, you know, like I'm still a person

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of equal standing with you, even though I feel like I'm not doing well in this situation

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right now.

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That kind of thing.

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I think it's a little easier than kind of more creative cleverness.

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Right.

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Right, right.

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Anyway, Alex ends his conversation with Randy, and he's plugging here, but this feels right.

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I gotta find that breakdown in 1984.

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I was just writing down, I wanna see that breakdown.

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Yeah, I gotta find it.

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How long is it?

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What's the fucking...

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I'm gonna spend the rest of tonight really trying to find this thing.

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I wanna know, I wanna know.

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And then secondly, the bigger point here is that this is what he should be doing.

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He should have his website that has a subscription aspect to it, but he can't, and you know why

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he can't?

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Because no one wants to pay for this shit.

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He couldn't get people to subscribe to his content because they don't want to.

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They want it for free.

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They want to passively engage with it and be like, ah, look at this guy, he's yelling.

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He's yelling things I like.

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And whatever, maybe I'll buy a pill at some point that Alex has tricked me into thinking

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I need.

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It is a little bit like his pill business's success is actually a reveal that his content

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is worthless.

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Yeah.

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And I think that, you know, I think that there's something to be said for, you know, providing

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your content for free.

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Obviously that's something that I'm big into.

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And I think that Alex just wouldn't be able to get anyone to give a shit.

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He can give his stuff out for free and get enough views on it.

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But in terms of anybody being like, oh yeah, I'll go in for this.

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I'll get a subscription to his website.

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Clearly doesn't move the needle.

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Nope.

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And that he couldn't do that anymore.

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And that's kind of sad.

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Yeah.

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Because this is the model.

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Yeah.

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This is, this is the model for him.

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No one cares because you could get everything that he says on a fucking blog somewhere.

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You don't need him.

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Nope.

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Nope.

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Nope.

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And you don't need his pills.

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What do you need from him?

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Why do you keep going back to him?

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Because you're in an abusive relationship with a weird cult leader and you can't admit

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it.

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No, you're in a parasocial relationship with a weird cult leader.

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You?

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That's true.

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I thought we were in a more than so para...

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Okay.

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So yeah, I just, I find it interesting that this was there and it could have been what

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he does.

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Yeah.

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But it's just now pills.

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Yeah.

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I mean, this is even after like times with gold sales and stuff.

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Right.

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Like he's still, he's, he's still involved with Ted Anderson and shit.

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Um, but, yeah.

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You know, maybe he just really dreamed at this point that his content was valuable.

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You know, maybe this was a situation where he saw that maybe this was the model and if

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he can succeed at that, which is what he's trying to do, then he can succeed.

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And then he realized that his shit is shit.

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And so he started hawking shit.

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Yeah, it may be.

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But he is still hawking shit.

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That's true.

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Then we'll get to your calls.

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So he has a water filter sponsor on, uh, but it's the person who answers the phones whenever

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you call in.

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Yeah.

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So they do a little mini infomercial.

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Right.

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Sure.

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There's still that.

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I don't know.

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I just think it's a like, obviously if it worked, he would still be doing it.

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If it made enough money, this would be the way he operated and whether it is because

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it wasn't enough or because he is driven by greed, uh, he moved on to something that made

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millions and millions.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it could be, it could very well be that we're leaving out the intense possibility

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that he was successful at this business model, but he was successful enough.

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Yeah.

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But not a millionaire.

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Right.

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And that is to me indicative of somebody who's not driven by the supposed mission that he

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claims to be on, because this is a perfect way to be able to disseminate the information,

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um, have a support base that is organic from the audience and still not have your boss

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and not poison yourself and not poison people's brains.

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With iodine.

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With monstrous, monstrous garbage.

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Yeah.

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And then back yourself into all kinds of weird, uh, narratives based on what you support.

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Yeah.

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That, that does seem like a, you know, he was building the, the very walls even then

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that contain him now.

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And as Randy Weaver says, I don't like confined spaces.

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He doesn't.

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He doesn't.

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So Alex is another guest on and actually this was really revelatory for me because it helped

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me realize why he was doing that stupid clockwork orange, a narrative that led into everyone's

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going to be forced to take anti-psychotics because it was all just setting the table

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for this guest.

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Oh, we're talking about putting newborn babies, uh, on anti-psychotics and when they sit there

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and never thrive and are vegetables, it'll just be covered up in the media and they'll

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use them for body parts.

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Folks, we're entering hell on earth here.

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And last week they say they want to electronically control the brain and they're getting FDA

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approval to put a wire into your brain so you're not depressed.

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Once the wire's in your head, you'll be one of us.

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I mean, this is like a late night science fiction body snatcher movie.

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Joining us is Dr. John Breeding, waldiscolts.com is the website.

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And yes, I carry two of his great books on my website as well.

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Dr. Breeding, thanks for sitting through, uh, that diatribe as I brought folks up to

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speed.

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Well, I'm just grateful, Alex, that you're having me on.

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So now this is great because this show has structure.

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This episode has a meaningful structure that makes sense.

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It's all bullshit, but it makes sense.

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Yes.

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Now he has this bullshit story about everybody being forced to be on anti-psychotic meds.

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This is to talk to an anti-medication, uh, psychologist, Dr. Breeding.

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That is what that story serves.

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That's why he's covering this.

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There is a narrative structure and arc to this.

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He's talking about this lady who had a marshmallow out at Yellowstone because he has Randy Weaver

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on.

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These are stories that are meant to connect to the guests that he has on.

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They are setting the table, laying the groundwork for these guests and whatever propaganda narrative

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bullshit they're going to bring to the table, make it more easy for them to have a jump

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off point, something in the news to be a touchstone for them.

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It makes sense.

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This is, there's craft to this.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's, it's so odd for us to talk about it, but this is how you would produce a show.

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This is the way it would go.

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And it's, it's interesting because I listened to so much of his show and oftentimes these

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completely bullshit off the wall, why the fuck are you talking about this story?

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It's not connected to anything.

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And in this case, it makes total sense.

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Two stories that are off the wall, meaningless.

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Why are you talking about this?

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It's because of your guests.

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Now, this leads me to suspect that Alex often has guests cancel and sometimes there is production

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and craft that goes into it.

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And he's covering the story to be a gift for this guest to make it easier to interview

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them.

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And they cancel.

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And so he just has covered some bullshit story that means nothing.

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Maybe, wait, was that?

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I don't remember.

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I was trying to figure out if the, uh, you got to give it up to the smallie pilots.

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Did somebody cancel for who was, it was, it was captain Phillips.

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It was literally supposed to be him.

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Right?

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No, I don't think so.

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I was that in the movie Tom Hanks was on, but captain Phillips and the movie being interviewed

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by Alex.

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What was it like?

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Well, I'm going to be honest.

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I got to give it up to the Somali pirates on this one.

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They really got us good.

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Yeah.

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So this guy, Dr. Breeding is an anti-meds, uh, psychologist, I believe he, he has a philosophy

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that is wild Colts make better horses or something.

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And so it's like essentially the, the argument is, Hey, let your kids be nuts.

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Let your kids be wild and crazy.

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And I think that there's a bit of something to that within reason.

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Right.

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Like, I think that, you know, you do have to understand the kids make mistakes and act

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up in ways that like maybe as an adult, you're like, God, what the fuck?

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But there's also emotional stress that can be manifested through kids acting out.

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That should be taken much more seriously than just big kids will be kids.

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See, this is why you don't want people like Dr. Breeding using idioms like a wild Colts

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make better horses because on the one hand you could say, Oh, well this means giving

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children the ability to roam free will allow them to become better.

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You know?

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And on the other hand, you could take that as saying like, listen, if they die, they

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die.

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God gives us who lens and who dies.

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Well, I mean, it's kind of Scott Adams.

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It is in terms of his recent comments about how you have to watch your kid become a killer.

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I guess kill them.

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If he dies, he dies.

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That's all.

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That's all I know.

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These mentalities are really destructive.

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You should have a gun loaded with you for anytime somebody's like wild Colts make better

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horses.

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That's how you solve problems.

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A little bit of a theme.

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That's how you solve problems.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, here's, what's going to happen to schools.

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We've called the schools, government training camps.

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These are literally going to be huge laboratories, not just for some of the children now, but

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for everybody complete with beds and testing and computers.

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I mean, this is like, we need to write a screenplay of this, but then it'll just be past seconds.

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It's already happening.

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I mean, doctor, when they're saying, you know, they're going to test all of you and then

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the adults, and this is a key position, and we're going to put you on anti-psychotics.

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I mean, I mean, I had doctors, I had a psychiatrist on yesterday.

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I mean, you, you sit in the corner and drool on these things.

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Yeah.

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So that prediction was off.

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Yeah.

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That did go a little bit awry.

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About what schools are going to become.

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Yeah.

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Uh, yeah, but I think also, you know, this, this is something good that's kind of illustrative

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of this longstanding and consistent and extreme and nonsensical, uh, opposition to public

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schools that has existed in this community.

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Just, just anything that challenges the legitimacy and not just that perfection of their worldview.

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Even if it's just like, Hey, maybe don't pull a gun out on a ticket, you know, like, even

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if it's just that they're like, schools need to be closed.

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Well, I mean, we go back to this again, like with the opposition to psych meds and stuff,

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being detrimental to their audience retention, same thing with, uh, you know, education is

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detrimental to their audience retention.

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A lot of the narratives don't hold up to the experiences that you have, uh, with public

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education.

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Uh, the people you interact with, the, um, and not being under the influence of your

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parents at all times.

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So they can kind of have an eye on you being, being able to create through a social structure

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that doesn't include the oppressive religion of your parents being pushed upon you.

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That's a big part of it.

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They like to have that control over children.

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Anyway, uh, the schools are going to be, uh, kids in beds being experimented upon.

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That would be almost preferable.

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No, it wouldn't.

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And it's nonsense, but Alex should work on that screenplay.

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There's still time because this has not happened.

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It is not yet passé for that to be in a screenplay.

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Was that movie The Faculty?

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No, they were aliens.

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No, they were aliens.

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Come on, Randy Weaver.

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Get out of here.

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Sorry.

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Um, so this caller, uh, calls in, he's got an interesting story about schools.

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I don't know what's going on here, but I found his story interesting.

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What, uh, I picked the kids up one time and I noticed that they were handing out these

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spy kits to kids and they're giving them out to them for free and it was called, they called

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it like a, what do they call it when you go and like the whole school goes and they have

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a big thing and they all meet up in the cafeteria and whatever.

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It's a field trip or an auditorium meeting.

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They're giving all the kids, they're giving all the kids, they're like listing in on people.

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Thanks, Dr. Brady.

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And, uh, I thought it was really weird because they're not giving out books, they're giving

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out, you know, anything educational.

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They're giving them spy kits.

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Well, let me stop you.

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Let me stop you.

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Go to a children's store and you look at the toys, there's whole sections now on spying

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and time for kids, you know, time magazine in the schools, how to be a spy, how to spy

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on your parents.

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And I'm actually aware of that.

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I didn't know what was going on in preschools.

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I knew that again, that's right out of 1984 training them how to be spies.

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You notice there when Alex said it's happening in preschools, the guy was trying to correct

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him that it wasn't a preschool.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Wasn't a preschool.

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So Alex is making up a detail of the story and then not allowing him to correct it by

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talking over him.

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Yeah.

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Well, he's going to ruin the story.

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Right.

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Right.

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That he has.

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Yeah.

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So what were they telling him to do with the spy kits?

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Who provided it?

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That's the thing is that the school is providing and I was asking, I asked the teachers and

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the thing is, is that like we're living in a society where it's, they pretty much promote

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powers and idiots and you know, and just mediocre people who they don't even know what they're

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doing.

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Like I'll be like, what is this?

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Like, what are you trying to do with this?

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I'll have to teach you like, well, I didn't really even think about it.

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It was just fun for, you know, and I looked at it on the, on the, and then there's a funny

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thing is like, they're not even really hiding it.

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You look on there and who are the kids spying on?

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It shows a picture of these two kids like working together and spying, like looking

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through a fence and it looks like their neighbors fence.

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Are you fucking with me right now?

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It's like a little microphone and like hearing it, you know, and it's like, they show a little

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circle in the fence to where you can see who they're spying on and it shows this guy in

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like blue jeans and a white shirt and a construction helmet, like some white guy and he's like

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has his hands up.

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Like he's talking to people.

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What is happening?

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That's what it shows.

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It shows like some like construction worker talking to, thanks for the call.

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I appreciate it.

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Dr. Brady.

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Logan, we need your help, man.

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What I don't know what this is about, but like I could see some kind of like something

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being misconstrued, like it being an observational exercise or something like that.

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Like you know, being like having kids see something and then be able to describe it

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or something.

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Right, right, right.

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I could see that being an educational exercise of some sort, but also to the premise of like

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this being anything groundbreaking, like isn't it the whole thing from like 1930s magazines

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of like spy kits being in the invisible ink and all this stuff in the back of the magazine

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that would be things that would be total rip offs.

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These are not real x-ray glasses.

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Exactly.

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I'm going to tell you this right now, Dan.

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Yes.

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I mean.

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This is something that's been popular among kids for time immemorial.

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Yeah, I mean, I can't, it's hard to, it's hard to be like, oh, those thirties adventure

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stories.

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Oh, those kids, they didn't have any supervision.

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But that's why there are like constant stories about like Harriet the spy or the archetype

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of teen little kid detectives.

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Cyclopedia god damn brown.

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Right.

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These things are popular for a reason.

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It's because kids gravitate towards that in the same way they like to play a pirate.

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So would it be less of a spy kit?

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Would he be happier if they handed out like a Hardy Boys novel where they did investigations?

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Probably wouldn't even notice.

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He wouldn't notice.

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What does, I really thought he said spy kids though.

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So I kept thinking it was the Robert Rodriguez movies starring Antonio Banderas.

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And I was like, can you really be that mad at this movie?

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These, it's not, I think that timeline might be off.

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Spy kids might not have come out yet.

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Was that 2006 something like that?

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I don't know.

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Oh boy.

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Um, look, yeah, I also don't know what this guy's talking about because he seems to be

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saying that they gave them microphones and there's no way, that would be cost prohibitive.

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There's no way they're giving microphones to kids.

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They might've given them those like old fashioned song microphones that have the little echoey

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part in it.

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You know, the ones.

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Just like the tube?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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With the little ice cream cone on top though.

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Did you never have those?

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So it's like a little microphone.

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Ice cream cone on top?

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It's okay.

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You talking dreamy creamy?

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I'm trying to, I'm not talking dreamy creamy.

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It's like an old microphone.

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It was plastic and it had like the, the little microphone top on it, you know, and it was

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hollow inside.

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And when you spoke into it, the sound would echo in the chamber and it would come out

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like it was.

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No idea what you're talking about.

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Yeah.

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Okay, fine.

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Anyway, we have one last clip.

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Um, and uh, it's Alex saying something that, uh, I hope he does not still believe.

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He seems not to still believe this.

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Uh, and I think this is shit, which is the Eli Lilly drug that's been over $4 billion

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in sales just from that one drug alone in 2003 Eli Lilly, as we've already talked about,

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is strongly connected to Bush senior Bush junior and several of Bush's political appointees

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and in on down one drug for schizophrenia.

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I mean even if schizophrenia is a real disease, which it obviously isn't, how many, I mean

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are this, this many schizophrenics?

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Wow.

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I'm sorry, what?

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Alex doesn't believe schizophrenia is real.

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Uh, that's a man who's been told he is schizophrenic.

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Well, I mean, he now constantly accuses people of being schizophrenic.

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Uh, he throws it around just as a pejorative, uh, for people.

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So yeah, it, I understand that really what you're trying to do is frame something as

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like these drug companies have created a condition in order to make money off bills or whatever.

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But I don't think that Alex actually believes that.

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I think this is indicative of him just talking shit and it's something that serves the shit

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talking that he's doing with Dr. Breeding.

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And so he's making an like a claim that he's so irresponsible, um, and uh, for his audience.

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So maybe some of them would hear that and be like, yeah, it isn't real.

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Maybe some people in his audience have people in their lives who have been diagnosed or

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themselves and hearing something like that, like it's not even a real thing.

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Right.

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It can, it can be, it can be pretty irresponsible.

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Pretty dangerous.

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Yeah.

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I mean, the thing with that is once you start cutting away at what is and is not based on

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whatever he decides, then it's, it's all up for grabs.

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You know, like if he gets to say, Oh, well, schizophrenia is not real just cause I get

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to say it.

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Yeah.

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Then he can say that anything is not, any mental illness, that's just not real.

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You're just wasting all of your time on that.

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Yeah.

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But you understand that sort of part and parcel of the position that he's given himself in,

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uh, in life, in his profession.

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Sure.

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Because Alex is the arbiter of like this secret information that he's able to decode from

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the globalist.

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Yeah.

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He, in essence, uh, has positioned himself as someone who gets to dictate the terms of

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reality for these people listening.

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Yeah.

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And the way he does that is so irresponsible and the way it manifests, uh, in things like

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this, schizophrenia isn't even real, is, is abusive and he has no care for the position

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that he's put himself in.

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He feels no responsibility to take care of the people that he has put into the position

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of like, they get to experience reality through him.

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Totally.

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And if you're, if you hear that, the only responsible thing to do is like literally

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stop everything and be like, okay, fine.

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You don't think schizophrenia is real.

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What is real and what is not?

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Let's go down the DSM fucking four and then you can tell me what you accept.

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Yeah.

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And this Dr. Breeding doesn't even do that.

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He doesn't give a shit.

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No, he's not, he's not stopping Alex to be like, well, look, I understand.

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You have some grievances, but maybe you're going a little far here.

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Let's do something at least a little responsible for once in our lives, you know, let's team

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up for one in the positive column as we allow the 1 billion served in the negative column

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to keep going up.

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Doesn't happen.

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Nope.

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Also, I have no idea where Dr. Breeding is these days.

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Certainly haven't heard him as a repeat guest.

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Well, he's dead.

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The way that man sounds, that man is dead now.

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He got attacked by a literal wild goat.

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Sure sounds right.

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Ironically.

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Let's give a Randy Weaver a ticket.

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Didn't go well.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So this is, this is interesting.

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Oh, also, uh, Dr. Breeding is, uh, not necessarily like some kind of a, uh, large, popular, important,

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prevalent doctor.

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Sure.

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He's a guy in Austin who Alex is friends with.

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Right.

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So prestigious, prestigious, the most prestigious guy in Austin, top doctors in the world.

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One of the top doctors Alex is friends with.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So this episode was, was, uh, you know, very fortuitous.

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I've used that word already.

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You know, hearing this interview with Randy Weaver was, is, uh, wild eye-opening in some

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ways.

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Crazy.

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Uh, it's a big event in terms of Alex's like mythos, you could say.

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And so I'm glad that we were able to find it this way as opposed to waiting until we

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got to 2004.

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Right.

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And I'm glad...

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In our March through 2003.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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So, uh, much of the myth around with Miranda Weaver can easily be dispelled with, I saw

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a shit ton of UFOs when I was a teen.

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He believes in a Zionist, occupied government.

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He sees UFOs constantly and he will kill you if you try to give him a ticket.

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Yeah.

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I don't think he's your savior.

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Yeah.

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Seems to have some problems.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, happy birthday to the child of a Boxcar Willie Nelson Mandela effect.

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I really hope that you did not tell him that we did not achieve his birthday gift and you

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just let it go and hoped against hope.

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I did send an apology message that I had missed it.

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Oh no, I'm talking to him.

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I'm hoping you didn't tell your son.

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Oh.

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Yeah.

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From my understanding, the message did not get to the son.

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Good.

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Good.

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So this is going to be even better.

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This is going to be a better birthday present because you're going to know that your dad

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cares so much about you that he would contact the least reliable podcast in the history

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of the world.

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Did everything right.

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That's what I'm saying.

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And then, yeah, we dropped the ball.

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Wrecking ball.

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Anyway, happy birthday.

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Happy birthday.

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Uh, many more to you and we'll be back.

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But until then, Jordan, we have a website.

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We do have a website.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Yep.

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We're also on Twitter.

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We are on Twitter.

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It's at knowledge, art, score, fight and that.

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Go to bed, Jordan.

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Yep.

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We'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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We'll be back.

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We'll be back.

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And now here comes the sex robots.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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Thank you for being with us and we'll see you next time.