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N-N-N-N-N-N-N-Knowledge Fight

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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.

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Knowledgefight Dan and Jordan.

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Andy and Kansas.

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Stop it.

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Andy and Kansas.

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It is time to pray.

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I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

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Knowledge Fight.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

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I'm Dan. I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes.

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I'd like to sit around and worship at the altar of Selene

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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh indeed we are. Dan. Jordan. Dan!

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Jordan. Quick question for ya. Uh huh. What's your bright spot today?

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Well I don't know how to put it other than

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show Dreamy Creamy.

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The Dreamy Creamy

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era has begun on this

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show. You shouldn't have

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shown me your weakness.

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You showed weakness.

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Here's the problem. I saw you

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grab that file

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directly and put it back in and I was like

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I know what that is. I know what that is.

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And then immediately when I saw that

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I knew what your bright spot was gonna be and

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I'm furious with myself because this is

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gonna happen forever now. Well it's gonna

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in some way or another it probably

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is. I mean it's not always gonna be a bright spot

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but you

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don't reveal these kinds

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of soft spots. Especially not

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whenever they can be applied to a year

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of something. Well it's not gonna be a year. We only

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do years of food items apparently.

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Right. But it's an era.

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Now

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this era may just last these two episodes.

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We'll see. But yeah

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it could be forever. Well I mean

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I have a hard time thinking that

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you can't find a way to use Dreamy Creamy

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right before your mustard updates.

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Not all mustards

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are creamy my friend. See that's why

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it's not an all the time thing. True. True.

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Maybe some of these. Maybe some of the dreamier

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or creamier ones. I don't know if I

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like a creamy mustard that much.

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I'm thinking about it

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and I don't know if I would apply

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creamy to most mustards. Interesting.

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It's more of a mayonnaise thing.

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Is it mayonnaise creamy? I think so.

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Yeah. Wait. Wait.

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So. Oh. Mustards

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are different from mayonnaise.

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Whoa. Is this news? No no no.

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It's okay. I got it reversed around

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grammatically. It's not you.

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Okay. Oh. That was scary.

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I thought we were going to have to start with basics.

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I think we're going to have to start over again.

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So. Cream Cream. Dream Cream.

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What's your bright spot?

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My bright spot Dan is

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my

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partner's mom. Her birthday

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was yesterday so.

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Is this the scotch mom? Yes.

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Okay. Yes.

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She's the scotch

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mom so we celebrate.

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I'm a scotch mom.

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Can you do that in a Scottish accent?

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You don't

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scat in an accent.

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Scottish people scat in an accent.

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They scat. They scot in an

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accent. Okay. I'm sorry.

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If you railed. Yeah. No.

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We had a lovely dinner.

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It was like a wine

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and food pairing thing.

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It was fantastic.

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The food was very good. The wine was incredibly

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strong.

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Incredibly strong. What was it like some vermouth?

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I mean the sommelier.

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Cooking sherry. There was a sommelier.

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Which I guess

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is a job. And he was like

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this. Slow down on this glass.

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It's like 18 to 20 percent.

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Okay. Yeah. That's within the realm of

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reasonable. That is stiff. That's a stiff glass

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of wine. I was worrying like

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what do you mean like 35? No.

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No but the last one was. What is that like a port?

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Is that the stiffer wine?

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A port is.

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It's a type of wine. It is a type of wine. Yeah.

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I'm revealing myself not to be a sommelier.

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I think it's just

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grapes. They're all just grapes.

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I think it's just grapes.

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Well I guess there's apple wines though.

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Like Boon's Farm. No.

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It was very good. The wine was very good.

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Everything was very good. Man I want an 18 percent

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Boon's Farm. It was

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difficult not to be for

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adult people walking out of that place

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drunk though.

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Purely unintentionally.

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I went in there just thinking we're going to have a good time.

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And they're like this wine is going to

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fuck you up. Yeah. I went to a

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wine tasting in

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like Sonoma Valley with my parents

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one time when we were on vacation

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in California. And yeah

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I didn't get the memo that you're not

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supposed to drink all the wine.

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You're supposed to like swish around.

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Yeah yeah yeah. A little ways

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through I was like I made a mistake.

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I'm pretty drunk.

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I did not get the read.

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But I had a great time.

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I'm sure you did too. Absolutely.

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So Jordan today we have an episode to go over.

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We're recording this in advance because you are on

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your honeymoon vacation. I am in Canada

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right now. What? Yep.

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Across the border. Oh my god.

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Nobody stop me. Dude I think that Canada

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is going to come up on this episode. No

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shit. You're a witch. I'm a witch!

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Yeah we're talking about July

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28th 2003.

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Going back for this Monday

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episode in 2003.

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There's some stupidity. Sure.

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There's some really really really funny

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stuff though. I believe that. One of

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Alex's most misfired

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interviews I think I've ever

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heard on his show. Ok.

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So awesome. Let's hear it. I'm excited to

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play it for you but first

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we must say hello to some new wonks. Oh that's a great

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idea. So first Mark Bankston's fan girl

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thank you so much you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much.

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Next. So Teddy can have a main character

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moment. Thank you so much you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much.

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Next. Come on baby.

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Let's do the sub twist. You are now

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a policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much. Thank you. Next. Monica

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from Australia. Thank you so much. You are now a policy

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wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you

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Monica. Thank you. Next. My heart broke

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when This American Life didn't play the In

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Flame song episode 666 from their

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classic 1997 album

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Horacle for their 666

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episode and if you guys don't do it I swear

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I will donate to Vulgarity for charity

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so Tom can make Jordan cry.

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Thank you so much you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much to

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30% of that at least.

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Got this a little bit late.

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We are now past the

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666th episode and I'm sorry

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that we fell into the same trap as

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This American Life. Well what are you going to do?

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I'm going to say hello and thank you to a technocrat

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that we got in the mix so thank you so much

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Veronica you are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk. I have

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risen above my

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enemies. I might quit tomorrow actually.

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I'm just going to take a little break you know.

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A little

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breaky for me

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and then we're going to

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come back and

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I'm going to start the show over.

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But I'm the devil. I've got to be taken over here.

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I've been all this blah blah blah blah.

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Fuck you. Fuck you.

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I've got plenty of words for you but

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at the end of the day fuck you and your

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new world order and fuck the horse

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you rode in on and all your shit.

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Maybe today should be my last broadcast.

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Maybe I'll just be gone a month

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maybe five years.

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Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow

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and you never see me again.

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That's really what I want to do.

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I never want to come back here again.

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I apologize to the crew

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and the listeners yesterday that I

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was legitimately having breakdowns

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on air. I'll be better

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tomorrow. He's a little better in the past.

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More palatable. In the past yeah.

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It is kind of shocking

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to be preparing a past

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and present episode at the same time as

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I did with this in our episode from Monday.

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Just because it's like these are

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glaringly different

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mentalities. Totally. It's nuts.

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The two of them are

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obviously the same person and obviously

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he sucks and is a bigot in the past too.

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Right. But just the level

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to which he has fallen

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apart is staggering.

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Yeah. And I wouldn't

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laugh if he wasn't such a complete

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dick. Anyway

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in July of 2003

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there's something interesting that's going on

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and that is public conversation

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is starting to happen around the release of

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the 9-11 report. Right.

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And Alex has some

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thoughts about this and the fact that

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there are 28 pages missing.

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Oh the 28 pages missing? The 28

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redacted pages. Oh those 28 pages

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that definitely didn't have anything to do with Saudi Arabia.

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Well Alex has probably

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one of the most surprising perspectives

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on this I could have imagined.

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You talk about fire

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storms going on

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all over the place but

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much of it is nothing but a red

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herring diversion

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operation by the globalists.

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We had the senators

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up on the

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Sunday news shows yesterday

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talking about how

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the government whitewash

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commission excised

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out 20 plus pages of

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information about Saudi Arabia

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and how they were

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tied to the terrorists.

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Folks, Saudi Arabia

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didn't run the terrorists. The globalists

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did. MI5, MI6

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CIA

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Mossad from all

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the evidence. So I thought this was

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a pretty shocking position for Alex

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to have about this. Like at this point

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in July 2003 the report of the

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House and Senate joint inquiry into the events of

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9-11 was being released and a

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lot of people were a bit suspicious that there

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were 28 pages completely redacted.

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Normally for a conspiracy theorist

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this thing, something

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like this would be so exciting

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but weirdly Alex seems to not be interested

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in the redacted pages and seems not

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to care what they might have in them or might

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reveal. Well he's already staked his claim

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on what should have happened

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so what's in those redacted pages is not

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going to help his story. Right and I

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suspect that his

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narrative has to be presented as iron clad

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and that's what's going on. He's not curious

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or interested at all because it's

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already set. There can't be any

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room for doubt because his whole

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narrative is held together with chewing gum and scotch

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tape. It's flimsy as hell.

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Alex has so little evidence of anything

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that he has to insist that he actually has

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all the evidence and the notion of 28

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secret pages could lead to questions

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about how they stack up

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with his supposed evidence.

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In that sense Alex's angle here is really

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smart. He can't be intrigued by the

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28 pages because he has to already know

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what's in them. Whatever's been redacted

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has to conform to his existing narrative

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and the parts that don't are part

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of an elaborate cover up that are being

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covered up within the already

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cover up 9-11 report.

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That's how covered up this is.

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The admission of guilt

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is part of the cover up of covering

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up that you didn't admit guilt.

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Right. And it was long believed that the

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28 pages involved details about possible

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Saudi Arabian involvement with the

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hijackers so Alex bringing that

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up isn't super surprising at all

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in this time frame. And giving the

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actual documents wouldn't be declassified

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for like another 13 years

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he's on pretty safe ground to make up whatever

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he wants about this to suit his purposes.

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Oh, everybody did. It was great. I would get into the

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actual contents of those 28 pages but it

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doesn't really seem productive since Alex has no

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idea what's in them and he thinks they're a cover up anyway

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so it's kind of a dead end.

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Eventually Ron Paul starts to make them a big

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deal like to declassify those pages

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so I would imagine that around that time

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Alex's tune will change but for now

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this is where we are. He's just like, ah, who gives a

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shit? Oh, you're not going to explain to us

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what happened on 9-11? I mean

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I'll explain some things. What do you want?

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I'll give you

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two questions. I'm just saying that I forgot.

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Okay. So it turns

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out that the reason that these pages were

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redacted is because Saudi

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Arabia made some threats.

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Are the Saudis aware

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of it and involved in it? At a certain

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level they are. In fact, about two

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weeks ago

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the Saudis had gotten word

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that they were going to be in the

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report

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from Congress and the

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whitewash commission

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and they said if you list our

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banks as funding terrorists we're going to

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list who owns our banks

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and who was involved in

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the transfers and they said it's

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four top US

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banks with connections to

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US intelligence.

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There were a bunch of

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articles in mainstream

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foreign press as the

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Saudis and the Saudi foreign minister

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in Washington, of course it wasn't in

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our news, said if you

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list us we're going to tell the world

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how you're involved in the terror.

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So it's pretty hard to figure out

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what to think about this claim that

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Alex is making here. On the one hand

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I don't think he's basing this on anything real

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from foreign news, but on the other hand

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in 2016 Saudi Arabia

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did threaten to sell off approximately

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750 billion dollars in

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treasury securities and other assets in the

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United States. This was in response

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to the discussion of a bill that the

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Senate, that was happening in the Senate, that would

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make the government of Saudi Arabia open to being

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sued for any possible involvement

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with 9-11. Basically 9-11

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victims' families could be

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able to sue Saudi Arabia with this

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bill's passage.

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I don't believe that this necessarily is

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completely comparable though, because the reason

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that they threatened to sell these assets in the

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United States was because if they were

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made vulnerable to lawsuits, their assets

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in the United States could be frozen. So the idea

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of selling them off was one part threat

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and one part just a decent plan.

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This is just like a business plan.

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I can't find evidence of this threat from

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Saudi Arabia regarding the pages redaction

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and I do think that Alex is making

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stuff up, but it's not the most outlandish

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thing that he could come up with to make up.

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One of the reasons I'm particularly

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wary of Alex's story is because

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the 28 pages that were redacted didn't

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have to do with Saudi banks.

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So the idea that they would have been tipped off to something

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like that that wasn't in the report

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is a little bit off for me.

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Thematically it feels a little

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like that's a detail that fits neatly

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into Alex's 2003

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conception of the globalist as primarily

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being involved in the banks of the world,

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as opposed to being demons trying to drink children's

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blood to make it so Alex can't explore

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space. Another reason I'm

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a bit unconvinced is that in the redacted

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pages there are indications

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of connections between 9-11 hijackers and

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people connected to the Saudi Arabian government,

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but definitive conclusions aren't

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made. The recommendation is for

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investigation, saying that these connections

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could be damning evidence, but

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on the other hand it's also possible that

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further investigation of these allegations could

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reveal legitimate and innocent explanations

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for these associations.

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So I don't really think

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I don't know.

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This story doesn't jibe, unless

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Alex could provide some kind of a

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source and he doesn't. I don't think he's

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going to. Nope. Nope. Alright.

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So, Alex has some

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news that he's going to break that has nothing to do

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with 9-11. Okay. This is celebrity

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news. Okay. We got a death.

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Oh. In 2003?

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And what does Alex think? July

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23rd. Well, I know

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28th. I know it's not Betty White.

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True. I know

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it's not Dame Judi Dench.

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True. Beyond

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that, anybody's fair game. Do you want to

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play a question and answer game?

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Sure. I'll give you two questions. Okay.

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Biggest movie?

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No idea.

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But has been in a lot of them. Okay. In a lot of movies.

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Okay. Oscar?

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Probably.

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You know what? I'm

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going to go with Sidney Poitier then.

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No. I would definitely know.

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Look who's coming to dinner.

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Right? Okay. Fine. Okay. Fine.

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You want an Oscar? Okay. I know.

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I know less

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about this person than Sidney Poitier

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apparently. Okay. Gotcha.

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Big show lined up for you

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on July 28th

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2003.

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And yes, Bob Hope of

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Bohemian Grove fame

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has died.

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Oh.

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And we hope he went to heaven,

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but as a worshiper of Moloch, we're not too sure.

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Okay. Yikes.

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I like Alex's eulogies.

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Yeah.

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Well, it'd be nice if this guy

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wasn't a murdering monster who should

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burn in hell. Well, if this person didn't

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worship the devil, they'd probably be in heaven, but

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rest in peace. I bet you'd be having a great

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old time if you hadn't had sex

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one time before you got married, but now you're

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in hell. How does that feel?

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So, Alex

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ends up dealing with this a bit

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with the

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idea that all the news

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is covering Bob Hope's

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death, but they won't talk about him being

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a Satan worshiper.

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It's a problem for Alex. And then he also

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in this clip announces one of his guests

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and this is so awesome.

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And we do have several guests coming up

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today. We've got the spokesperson

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for one of the corporations involved

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in building the Emergency

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Relocation Centers

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for your safety, of course.

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One of the quarantine centers

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joining us on the

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show. And we've

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got some other guests as well that I'll tell you

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about a little bit later in the

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broadcast. In the meantime,

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Bob

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Hope is dead at

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100 years

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old. Wow.

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And, you know, the guy didn't seem

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like a bad person to me. He seemed like

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a kind of that

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1940s slapstick

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style of humor.

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I know that my grandmother

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or grandmother

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is like Bob Hope,

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but he does attend

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the Bohemian Grove or did attend

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and had been

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involved in some of the

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revelry there, according to

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Washington Times and

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Spy Magazine and Esquire

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and other publications.

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But I wonder why they didn't mention that

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in his big obituary

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today, wall to wall, all

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over the news. It is a scratch.

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That Mr.

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Hope

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was a worshiper

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of a Canaanite God.

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I imagine it wasn't in the

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obituary

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because it's not true

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that he was a worshiper of a Canaanite

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God. And also the fact that he went to Bohemian

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Grove is probably on the

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scale of things that are important about

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Bob Hope. Yeah. Real

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low. Way low. Way low. Now

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I ask you, what was Bob Hope's

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biggest movie? Oh boy, that is a good question.

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I don't know, but he went on a road trip.

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See? See?

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Not so funny that I couldn't name one. Now

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that I know it's Bob Hope, of course you can't name

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a movie. Do you know if you won an Oscar?

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No, I do not. Okay. I don't think so.

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I don't think Bob Hope won an Oscar. I said maybe.

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He won a Grammy. That's the man who said probably.

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I know he won a Grammy.

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Yeah. So, yeah,

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Bob Hope is suspicious

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in their omission in his

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obituaries that he worships

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Moloch. What a big swing for an

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obituary. Just to

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throw that at the man dominated

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American culture for 50

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years. Went on a billion US

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trips. Could not do

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more to do all this stuff.

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Everybody knows

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Bob Hope. Is alleged to

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have been like a sex slave

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handler. Yep.

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But yeah, also

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MK Moloch.

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Bohemian Grove one time. Bohemian Grove, yeah.

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So yeah, Alex has a guy

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who's involved with the relocation

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center building coming on.

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This can't go well. This is

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one of my favorite interviews of all time.

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Okay. It's delicious.

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This person, the way he described this person

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seems like they are going to

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be a calm, knowledgeable

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I mean

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I'm gonna throw this out there

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helpful person

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trying to help Alex understand what it is

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they're going to do. I am going to give you

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no

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hints. It's the best.

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Okay. So Alex has a little piece

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of trivia that

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the shock of shocks is not true.

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By the way, the drugs report talked about

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how Bush signed an American flag

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which is against the US code, but it said

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only George Bush can do that.

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He is our commander

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in chief and can do whatever he wants

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to the flag. Well, that's not

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true.

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And on top of it, I want to add, he's not

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commander in chief until Congress

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declares war.

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But again, he's just a

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puppet. That's not true.

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So Alex is misunderstanding or

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representing the part of article 2

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section 2 clause 1 of the constitution

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that has to do with this kind of stuff.

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Quote, the president shall be commander in chief

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of the army and navy of the United

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States and of the militia of the

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several states when called into the actual

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service of the United States. The

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when called into the actual service part

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has to do with the militia only.

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But Alex is pretending it applies to everything.

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Again, man, we're really going to have to get into

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scanning a sentence.

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Try and say the word subjunctive

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clause to Alex Jones and I think

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you're going to have a real struggle. No, he's going to throw a swing at you.

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Yeah, absolutely. So

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Alex gets to some predictions

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and as we know, I mean, every time we listen to

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his show, he says he's right about

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97% of the

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well. Also,

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U.S. hunts for Saddam

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around the Tigris River. Don't you

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want to bet they're about to find him?

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Of course, it'll be a dead body double.

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Old Saddam

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and the boys are in Belarus,

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reporting to press reports, I trust a lot

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more than this media.

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Maybe you should trust that media less.

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That media will tell me that Putin

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is right and a good guy

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and always telling the truth. It's fascinating

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because Alex is right 97% of the time.

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But in that sentence, he's wrong twice.

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He's wrong that Saddam is in Belarus

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with his sons. Not there.

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And he's also wrong that you're going to find a dead body

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double. They found a living Saddam.

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You got it.

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Found where he lived. You could go inside of his little hole.

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Yeah, man.

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I vacationed there one year. Did you?

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I don't know if that's in poor taste.

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So Alex has an

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interesting perspective on this story about

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Bush signing the flag. Yes.

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He's actually fine with it.

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Well, I mean, he would have to be because later on

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his dude's going to try and fuck it.

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True. But he doesn't know that in 2003.

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I do actually kind of

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want to tip my cap a little bit to

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the perspective that Alex has that is like

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okay, other people are getting mad about

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signing the flag. Right. I don't like it

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but it's fine. Yeah.

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The flag symbolizes the freedom to

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sign the flag. Right. Yeah. And I appreciate

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that at least conceptually on Alex's

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part. A basic burn the flag is part

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of the flag kind of thought. Yeah, yeah.

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But then also this clip ends

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surprisingly. I don't think

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Alex likes Matt Drudge in

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2003.

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Look, I don't want to spend any time on this

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but Bush

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in a rally was caught

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on by a photograph

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photographer

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signing an American flag

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which violates

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the US code and they tried to pass

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a constitutional amendment

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which is a red herring.

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The first amendment that the flag

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symbolizes states that you should be able

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to write on the flag if you want to. I like

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the flag. I find it offensive

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to write on it or desecrate it

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but I find it more offensive to take that

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right away because that's what the flag

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symbolizes. You know, we're not blood and

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soil here like Germany where

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we mightlessly worship the flags at least

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not yet. But

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in this religious fervor

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it came out that the high priest

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of phony patriotism George

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W. Blueblood

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from Kennebunkport, Maine

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had

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signed the flag

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George Bush

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and everyone freaked out about it but don't

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worry Matt Drudge, another New World

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Order priest, told us

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that, hey, it's okay.

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That really surprised me. Drudge is a New

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World Order priest back then. Yeah.

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Wow. Yeah, that shocked me. I don't know

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exactly, I mean I guess

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probably at that point Drudge was a little bit

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more mainstream conservative. Yeah, and

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it was very jingoistic. Yeah.

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It was very jingoistic at the time.

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I guess, I mean I wasn't keeping track of the

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Drudge Report in that period of time

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when I was 17.

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18, 19. Yeah, my dad

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was a regular Drudge reader and

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oh yeah. I could see it having a

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bent of supporting the war

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and such.

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Yeah, but it is really interesting

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because Drudge becomes such an important piece

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of Alex's career to hear in

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this stretch that

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fuck this guy, he's a New World Order.

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But I mean it's so

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it is representative of how conditional

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everything is. Like at this point he's a New World

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Order priest. Eventually he becomes the most

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important person in all of

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the conservative media because he's

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been there and he exposed the Clintons

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which was before he became

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a New World Order priest. Wow.

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And then eventually maybe he sold

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the Drudge Report to globalists.

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Right, sold back out.

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And then became a globalist.

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Then he was cool for a while again.

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Yeah, it's all just whatever

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works today, we'll rewrite your narrative

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tomorrow. Yeah, that is

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so frustrating about going back to different

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eras of Alex

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of Info Wars is because

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you know, like

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it's like a long running show where

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it's like a long running soap opera where it's like

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okay, sure. So for season

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6 and 12, this guy was

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the biggest enemy, number one.

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In season 7 he turns out to be a good guy

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and then they work together but then in season 11

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he turns to...

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Let me tell you the difference between that.

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There's a narrative arc with

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shows. True.

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If this were being compared to that

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I would say that this is incredibly poorly written.

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Because there isn't an explanation

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for what made Matt Drudge

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go from new world order priest

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to hero

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of the patriot movement.

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It's just arbitrary.

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It's like if you're watching a show that is long running

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certainly, but also like

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haphazardly just changes

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people's alignments over

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and over again. That's the problem.

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That is 100%...

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because my feeling is

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if we go back into the past

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and Drudge is an enemy then

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I need to know why. What happened?

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What's the reason? You know what it is?

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What's the narrative backstory? Of course.

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That's what I want to know and we don't get that.

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You know what, it's more like the Cloud Atlas.

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It is a lot like the Cloud Atlas.

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You're watching a movie and it's like, alright, that's Tom Hanks

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and he's friends with Halle Berry

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or whatever and then it's in another time

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and it's like, that's still Tom Hanks

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but now he's mad at Halle Berry.

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Interesting. This is disorienting.

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It's going to be a great movie one day.

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Alex's show is like the Cloud Atlas.

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Yes, gotcha.

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Also, as

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racially problematic.

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We could be argued.

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So here is the clip where I

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prove to be a witch.

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Part 2 from Monday.

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And everyone freaked out about it

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but don't worry Matt Drudge, another

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New World Order priest

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told us that, hey, it's okay.

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The high priest

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is the only one, it actually says this,

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only the Commander

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in Chief is allowed to

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burn a flag, cut a flag,

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write on a flag. He can change

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the rules whenever he wants as

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our dictator and so it's

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okay, it's okay.

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You know, four legs

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good, two legs bad.

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But, you know, now it's

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okay for the pigs to start walking upright

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and saying,

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four legs okay but

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two legs better.

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Okay, if you haven't read

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Animal Farm by George Arwell you think

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I sound completely insane.

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It'll probably be in a New York Times article

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that Mr. Jones talks about

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pigs and then walking on

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two legs. It's a book

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written by George Arwell.

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Gotta watch it though, I'll get emails.

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What?

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Oh boy.

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Wait, am I the dumb one in this?

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Pro-national sovereignty, that means I'm an

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evil liberal according to Ann Coulter.

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We'll come back and I promise we'll

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start going to your calls. Gotta get to those

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calls. Yeah, so he does

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the sort of same riff about Animal

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Farm. Same riff. And it's weird because

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that isn't something that he does on

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every episode. No. It just happens it's the

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two episodes that I was preparing

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at about the same time. So weird.

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Yeah, very bizarre. I'm getting

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sick of being in a simulation, you gotta

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break me free of this. I do also like

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though the weird defensiveness.

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Like, first of all, the New York Times

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isn't watching your show that closely

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in 2003. Or even now

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I would argue. Absolutely not. And second,

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the only people who are gonna send you emails

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are your listeners who haven't read Animal

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Farm. I mean, who's, do you think

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that people are going to suddenly

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like, walk by the radio

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and go, two legs, good, four

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legs, but...

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This Alex Jones guy is talking

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jibberish. Yeah, I mean

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no, we'd walk by and be like, oh, that's an

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animal farm. Because 20 years ago

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it was just as annoying

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when people made Animal Farm references.

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Yeah. And we've done it twice in a week.

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Yeah. So I apologize. It's okay.

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So anyway, Alex has talked a bit

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about the flag issue.

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Sure. But also he has some thoughts about people

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who cover the flag issue.

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And there's a bunch of other news

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here, but

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it really shows how

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petty things have gotten, that people are

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criticizing Bush now for

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riding on one of these desecrated

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Chinese flags. I mean,

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it's a thousand times worse that

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the flags are made, admittedly,

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in some of the slave camps

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of China.

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Yeah. I've done my own little

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study in stores. True.

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About one out of 20 flags you find

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is made in America.

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I have found a few that are made in America.

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Most of them, if not all, are made

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in Taiwan or China. That's not true.

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You think it's true.

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You were willing to accept that that's true.

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Oh, no, no. I mean, I didn't know that he said

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that all of them were... I meant the

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part where he said the bigger problem is that

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they're made in slave camps. Oh, the bigger problem because

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the other part's not even a problem. Right. Exactly.

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Yeah. So this is a good example

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of how flawed Alex's information

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gathering techniques are. I assume

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his little study that he conducted himself

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was like skimming and misreading a headline

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or possibly just seeing one flag that said

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made in China and then jumping to the conclusion

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that almost all United States flags

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are made in China. One in

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20 are made in the United States, he says.

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95% made

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somewhere else. Okay.

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That's interesting. In reality, according

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to the Flag Manufacturers Association

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of America, 94% of all

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United States flags are manufactured right

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here in America. Fun! Most of the

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imported ones do come from China, but

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it's a really small percentage

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compared to the ones that are domestically produced.

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Any flag that is imported has

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to have a clearly visible declaration of where

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it was made, and if you find a flag that

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doesn't show that it was made in America or have

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a country of origin declaration, you're

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supposed to contact the Federal Trade Commission

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because that is a bootlegged flag. Holy

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shit, I did not know that there was a... They're pretty

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serious. Is there a bootlegged flag market? Oh,

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I can't imagine it's huge. How could

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you not? But there is a Flag Manufacturers

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Association of America and they don't like people

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getting in on their turf. Yeah, I mean, I guess

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this is the new mafia. So this is a good illustration

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of Alex's information style.

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It feels like all the flags are made

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in China and there's kind of a poetic

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theme, the resonance to that

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idea that fits with his narratives about the world

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but it doesn't reflect reality.

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One possibility for how Alex could

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get this impression is that every now and again

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usually around the 4th of July, someone

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will run a headline like the one that was

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posted in the Huffington Post from

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2013. Quote

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94% of American flags

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imported to the United States last year came

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from China. That headline is true

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but it's misleading. 94%

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of the flags that were imported came

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from China but they were still only like

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5% of the total number of flags manufactured.

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The rest of them

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were made domestically. Right.

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If you read to the second paragraph of

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that very article with that headline

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it says, quote, American

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manufacturers still make up the bulk of the

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business. Right. Alex doesn't read past

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headlines and thus just as he surface level

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grasp of most of the stories he covers.

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That's kind of unfortunate for him

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but it becomes a big problem when these flawed

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interpretations of stories are passed along to his

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audience as some kind of gospel truth.

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Just using this example, if you believe

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Alex then you think that 95% of

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flags in our country are imported when the exact

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opposite is true.

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What I'm getting at is that he's an unreliable

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source of information because he doesn't have

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good methods to take his information

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in. Right. Whatever's coming into

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him is going through a terrible

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filter before it comes to

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you, the listener. Right, right, right. It's unreliable

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you can't trust it. If he's

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right it's an accident. Yeah.

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Yeah, this seems like a situation

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though where it is

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not just him at fault here.

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Right. I think that Huffington Post

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article headline could be well

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much better written. Absolutely. But I also don't know

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if he's operating off a headline like that.

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I'm not necessarily saying that

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to be the case but that HuffPo

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article is a good exemplar

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of why it is very easy to immediately be

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taken in by somebody saying 95%

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of those because that is the type of

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click-baity headline you would write

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and that's why they write that

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because you would think. But again

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it's true.

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Well, but again

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it is true but it's click-baity bullshit

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and that makes me change

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what I think might be true based on

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what's going on. Yeah.

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It's tough to know if

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that's a wrong

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headline. Yeah. Like

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the wrong thing to post.

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Because strictly speaking

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if you do read

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the words in the sentence

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it doesn't give the wrong impression.

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True. It says flags that are imported

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94% of them are made in China.

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Right. Fine. Fair enough.

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Right. But yeah it gives

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because the number is so high it gives a distorted

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perception. I don't know. I would have

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probably tweaked it.

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It is spiritually

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not going to do the

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job that you want it to do. Nope.

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If you're telling me this

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information, 94% of American

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flags, I would need the context

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to make a decision about what to do with that information.

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And from that my context

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is just like, holy shit China's

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got all of our flags. You know.

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They make everything, even our patriotism.

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And even then, whenever you write down in the middle of the

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article, second paragraph, Americans

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still make up the bulk of it. Well that

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doesn't, that's not 95 fucking

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percent. You know.

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True. But I think if you

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look at some of the numbers

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that are included in there in terms of like bulk

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sales and stuff, you kind of get the sense that it

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is like 95%. See but that's

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if you're going to say, yeah.

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No. I've argued

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my way through to the other side. Nope

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that is a bad headline. It's not good.

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So Alex takes a call and

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a guy brings up

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a little politician

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that becomes fairly important

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for Alex for a short period of time before

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he decided, ooh, no, no, no. I'm going to get away

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from this. But at this point Alex has

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no idea who he is. I appreciate

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you pointing out a lot of the things about

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how the media overtly lies to us.

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But I also wanted to point out

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a story that's kind of a regional story

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with national implications that's been

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largely overlooked by the national media.

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Which is the case of

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Judge Roy Moore in Alabama

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who has

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been fighting a

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federal court order to remove Ten Commandments

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from the Alabama Supreme Courthouse.

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A ruling from the 11th

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District Court came down in Atlanta last

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week and the feds might quite possibly

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move

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to actively remove that against

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the state of Alabama this week.

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Well that's the first thing Ashcroft did when they

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got in office was raid a church and

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take down some Ten Commandments.

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Yeah, Alex seems to have no idea about

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Roy Moore at this point. Which I guess

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isn't too surprising because this

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is where he sort of comes into a national

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prominence in whatever

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way he did. You know, he was fleeting

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at this point until more recent

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history. But yeah,

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this is also along with the

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California recall race

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the whole chaos

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around Roy Moore trying to

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do the whole Ten Commandments thing

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I think is going to be another long running

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storyline on Alex's show.

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We might even fuck around and run into Roy Moore

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showing up on the show. I don't know.

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It's possible. I don't like that

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he was still around 20 years ago

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and people let him continue on to get into

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my life. You know what I mean?

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Like, you guys, listen

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everybody in the past, you knew

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this shit was coming and now you

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left it to me to deal with and that's

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on you. Yeah, you left a mess.

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Absolutely. Get your shit together the past.

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Alright, so

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you can come down on the past all you want.

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For many things. But one of the things the past

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is giving us is this interview

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that Alex is going to do. Okay, well I'll be nice at that.

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So this guy, he is

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named Ed McCulloch and

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he runs an organization called

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Daedalus Projects.

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And Alex has given him a little bit of an

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introduction. And we are

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joined by Dr.

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Ed McCulloch.

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He is the

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head of the

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Daedalus Project. Daedalus

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was the father

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of Icarus. Remember, Icarus

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he basically

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used the hot wax to put the feathers

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on his shoulders

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and arms and flew up to

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the sun. Thought he could be like the gods

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but the

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feathers

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the wax got hot

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and he fell back to Earth.

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Interesting name. It's true that

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Daedalus was the father of Icarus

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but that's not his top credit.

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I mean, I think the fact that he built the labyrinth

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for King Minos is probably a little

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higher on the list of reasons that you might name your

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construction company after him.

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I might have forgot to mention this but Alex is interviewing

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a guy who runs a construction company.

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So yeah, they're into

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fabrication. So obviously

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Daedalus is

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one of the chief construction

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folk of the ancient

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Greek myth.

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You wouldn't call him Hephaestus but you wouldn't

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shake a stick at it if he was

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compared to him.

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Hephaestus was more of like a smith.

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He created things

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for sure but in terms of buildings

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and stuff, maybe you'd

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go more with the labyrinth.

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Construction. The labyrinth.

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Classic. Minotaur.

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Minotaur.

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He and Herakles never got along well.

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Nope. Took me forever

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to beat the minotaur in

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Odyssey.

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Assassin's Creed Odyssey.

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That was an annoying fight.

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Anyway. One of the best

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episodes of Batman the Animated Series.

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Sure. So, Ed

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Alex asks him

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a little bit about what's your company

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all about? Tell us about

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Daedalus

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and about your company and about some of the

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projects it works on and about

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this new facility that you're

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going to be building in Pittsburgh.

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Thanks, I think

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the important point here is

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that Daedalus was principally

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focused upon

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the development of materials

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to create extremely low-cost

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housing in the emerging markets

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of the developing world.

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As it turns out, in

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our view, there are probably few

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materials available that

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provide the same structural

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integrity, the same projected

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longevity, and the same

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sense of dignity as the materials

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we have designed.

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So, we had never really intended

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to be in the U.S. domestic market.

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We simply recognized

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through one of our associates that a requirement

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existed to have a

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low-cost response

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or a low-cost

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response capability

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that could put up

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a 500-bed facility

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within about

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24 to 48 hours

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and perhaps a 1,000-bed

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facility within 48 to 72 hours.

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So, Alex wants to

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have an interview about the conspiracy

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elements

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of these centers.

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And he has got a guy

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on who's in the construction

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side.

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If I'm Alex right here, I heard

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that answer and I went, this has been great

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talking to you. Good night, sir.

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Alex makes a few efforts.

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He tries a little bit,

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but unfortunately, in the framing

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of his questions, he also reveals that he doesn't

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actually know anything about

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the subject he's talking about.

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Now, the different news articles, and

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correct them if they're wrong, they say this

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is a, this 150-bed

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facility is

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a facility for the

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public and the government and the media

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to get a good look at

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hopefully, I guess,

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to sell the system

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out there competing with the others that are

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bidding on the government contracts.

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Well, I'm not sure

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if that's correct or not. I don't know of any

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potential government contracts

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for this particular development.

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As it turns out, this particular

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facility is under a

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government-funded contract

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through Allegheny County

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in Pittsburgh where they have one of the more advanced

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or perhaps leading-edge

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groups involved

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in both

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civil preparedness and disaster response.

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Yeah, and we're not looking

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for any contracts. There's already a contract.

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We're just doing this in Pittsburgh.

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I cannot be more

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on board with

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two people who clearly

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have no idea what they're

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supposed to be doing with each other.

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Like, just no idea.

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He's like, I'm giving you information about

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buildings. That's why you would interview me.

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The only reason you would talk to me

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is if you wanted to know about buildings.

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I have a company and I'm sincerely

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excited about this new application

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of this material,

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this building material that we have developed

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and I'm thrilled that you would give me

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a national platform to talk about

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how and the other applications

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of building housing in the developing world.

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This is so exciting. This is exciting for me.

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And Alex is like, tell us

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about that. The government's trying to kill you.

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How? Right. Oh, we're going to lock people

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up in this.

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Now, they said that during a

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quarantine, people are going to be locked up

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in these things

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for everyone's safety so they don't

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spread the pathogen.

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How does your facility provide

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that level of

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containment? Well, I think that's

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a little inaccurate

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or perhaps a little severe.

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The real notion here is that these

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facilities would provide the opportunity

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for observation,

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for isolation, excuse me,

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for observation, for quarantine

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and isolation.

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So, in fact, you would presumably

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have three different kinds of

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patients, those who believe

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that perhaps they've been exposed but don't really know,

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those who have been exposed for

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certain and those who have been exposed for certain

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and exhibit

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certain features of

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a particular disease.

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Yeah, but they had the guy in Dallas who they

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thought had SARS and he wanted to leave the hospital

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and they wouldn't let him and chain him down

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to the bed. Yeah, that's not a part

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of Daedalus activity. Daedalus is

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really working on the structural side of this.

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Yeah, we're

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on the building

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side of things.

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Such a misfire.

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That's not a part of the

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Daedalus wing of

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what we do here. Nope, nope.

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That's okay. Well, see,

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we are a construction company, sir.

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Thank you very much. Such a fucking misfire

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on Alex's part.

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So awesome.

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What could you possibly thought was going to

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happen from this? I don't know.

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What world do you think

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that you're going to get an engineering

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construction guy to come in and be

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like, yeah, so all this really cool

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stuff that I'm really interested in.

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I love building. I love building materials.

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I love what I'm doing. Also, we're

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out in the developing world. There's really cool

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places I could be right now, but

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right here, I am excited to do this.

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You know what I'm doing? I'm creating trap doors.

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If you

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try and escape, you go down

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and you know what's down there? The devil.

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Thank you for inviting me onto the show to tell everybody

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about this. I can't believe they gave

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me the contract. Nobody even asked me if

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there was a trap door to hell in here. This is some

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2003-ass shit right

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here. This is out to show

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in 2003. This is what it's all about, man.

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This is like the heart and soul.

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There is an element

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to this that is, I think,

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maybe it's a long shot kind of interview.

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Sure, maybe something will happen here.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then

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the other end of it, too, is that Alex

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recognizes that there's nothing

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going on. Not going to happen. And so

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he bails. You can tell that the interview ends

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much more quickly than it would have if

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something interesting was happening. Right, of course.

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And so he comes back after ending

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the interview.

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Well, actually, I'm sorry. Before

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the interview ends, you can see him give up

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in the actual interview.

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Wow. In 48 hours,

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having a system with

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power and water and everything.

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That's correct. So what do you have,

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like, trucks that have nodules of

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different services and then

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they all show up, put the frame together, and then

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stick the appliances in? That is

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correct. In the case of

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the heating, ventilation,

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air conditioning, the HVAC

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provider, that's really being done

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by Albin Cat,

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called Albin Cat Rental Solutions of

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Elkridge, Maryland. So Alex is just interviewing

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the guy about how you make a building.

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Alright,

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so you take the stuff off the truck

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so that you put it together, huh? Wow, you get

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plumbing in there in 48 hours. That's pretty impressive.

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That is pretty impressive.

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It's actually one of the more

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informational things

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that he could be doing, but

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it's so disappointing for Alex.

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No, I'm actually kind of interested

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in how to...

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that's kind of cool. It's pretty impressive.

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You got a dedicated HVAC guy?

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48 hours. Dedicated? So

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Alex ends the interview, and then

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he tries to save face when he comes

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back from break by pretending

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that that was what he was trying to do. That was totally what he was

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saying. Let me just say about the last

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guest.

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I assessed him rather quickly.

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A bookworm,

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a polymer

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specialist,

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not a bad guy,

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a Dudley Do-Right,

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and I just wanted you to know what type

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of camps you're going to be living in.

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You know, just so when you're

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inside of them, and they drag

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your wife off to have their

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way with her, I just want you to know

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the type of facility you'll be in.

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Good save. Hey, honey,

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I just finished the interview. It ended kind of weird.

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Are you still listening?

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He said, what?

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I just wanted

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you to know that whenever they

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take you into these camps, that there will be

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air conditioning.

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He called me a bookworm.

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I just wanted you to know

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that whenever the globalists come, and they

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put you in the camp, it will be made with some

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very innovative materials

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that are being used to create housing

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in the developing world.

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Let's be real. These are going to be really

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trustworthy buildings that you are going to be murdered in.

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Good luck getting out.

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You are not going to be blowing these up.

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So, Alex goes to calls

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because that's much more fruitful territory for him.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Unfortunately, the

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topic of a Jewish mafia comes up.

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Oh, no, that's not good. No, it's not.

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Apparently, Bloomberg is a little bit

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new on the scene, and the caller wants

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to know if he is part of the Jewish mafia.

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Ah, that's a good question.

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The new guy, Bloomberg, he would tell

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his employees, this is mainstream news on the website

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right now, he would tell women who got pregnant

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kill that baby now or you are fired.

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That doesn't sound right.

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Is he part of the Jewish

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cartel up there, Bloomberg?

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Or is that some other nationality?

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No, there is no such thing as a Jewish cartel.

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How dare you.

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There is only

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Wasp Mafia

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and Italian Mafia.

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And Three Six Mafia.

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No, hey, hey.

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Bugsy Siegel,

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that was made up.

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Hey, I appreciate your call.

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Yeah, thanks. And what I'm trying to illustrate

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here is, I don't think Jews

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run the world. I don't think

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Jews are the secret group behind the New World

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Order. Evil people

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are, whether they are Chinese

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or German or Jewish, but

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uh oh.

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If you expose Jewish Mafia

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the ADL and people

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will come out and attack you as anti-Semitic

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and I think that's a sick joke.

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But it's a great system. Stop

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right around where that butt was.

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We were golden. Well, not really.

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We were still bad. It was real bad.

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But after the butt

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that took a little bit of a

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nose dive. When are people

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going to realize where the

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period is most powerful?

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It would have been right there.

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It's not about where you want the period to be.

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It's about where the period is powerful.

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So Alex is expressing that there is

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a Jewish Mafia and

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if you criticize them

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the ADL comes after you

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which implies

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that they're sort of like a protection

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wing of the Jewish Mafia.

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This is a good man.

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And Alex starts to

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get a little bit mad about this.

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It doesn't matter whether it's

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Bloomberg or Giuliani

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or

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Arnold Schwarzenegger.

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These guys are New World Order pimps.

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But yes, we should be able

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to criticize Bloomberg even though

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he's Jewish and we shouldn't let

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organizations use

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bad things that have happened

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to any racial group

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in the past as an excuse

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today where we can't criticize

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them. I mean people who criticize

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black street gangs have been

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called racist.

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Or people that criticize

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back during Clinton when all these communist

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Chinese spies were paying

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off people in our government.

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There were articles in the news

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is it covert racism?

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To criticize

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the Chinese workers at military

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bases? No!

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So there's an interesting and very deeply

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racist lack of understanding that Alex has

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about the things he's saying and I think I can

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sum it up simply like this.

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You're totally fine to criticize Bloomberg

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even though he's Jewish unless your

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criticism of Bloomberg is just a vague

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unsubstantiated claim that he's part of some

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mysterious Jewish mafia.

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If your criticism of him relies on him being

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Jewish to make sense, then your

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criticism is anti-Semitic.

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If your criticism is about his politics

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and his policies in general

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then it's probably not.

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And you can see this refusal

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to see non-white people as individuals

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at the end there. You can see that very clearly.

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Alex is saying that he supports being critical

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of all Chinese-Americans who work at military

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bases because of the fear that some of them

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might be spies. That's ridiculous.

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Nothing racist about that.

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That's not a logical train of thought unless

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you're a racist. Since Chinese

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spies exist, all Chinese people

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should be seen with some suspicion because they

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possibly could be one of those spies.

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It's important to recognize how

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this mentality and line of thought feeds

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directly into exactly the same motivation

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that led our country to intern Japanese-Americans

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during World War II. That was a

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shameful act in our country's history

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and Alex's mind hasn't learned the

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most elementary lesson that you should learn from

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it because deep down, he probably thinks it

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made sense to intern all the

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Japanese people. Right.

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Now, here's one of the big flaws

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with

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racists and

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their thoughts on spies, right?

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So, if I'm China, and I

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want to get some spies going in the United

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States, here's my thought.

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The United States is racist as

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fuck. Let's get some white folk

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to do it. Boom. Done. The end.

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Problem solved. That would be an interesting

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espionage tactic. I would try that one.

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Not a terrible plan.

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So anyway, Alex is racist.

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He also has another guest.

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Might be a little bit more fruitful

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than the other guests, but he's also

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named Ed. Weird. So we're going to

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break here in a second. We're going to come back with

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Dr. Ed Hudson.

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And he's with one of

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the big groups up in Canada who are

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valiantly

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fighting the government bureaucrats,

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the socialistic control

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freaks up there in the Commonwealth,

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that want to make the Canadian people

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their property.

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And I just hope they keep going

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and I hope they use this revolution

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against tyranny up there

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to remove a lot of the

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other things we've seen. There's also big

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discussions of provinces

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seceding,

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leaving

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the Commonwealth if the gun

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confiscation registration continues.

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That's very exciting.

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Quite exciting. That is exciting.

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So for what it's worth, there's pretty regular

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conversations about secession in parts

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of Canada and it rarely has anything to do

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with guns. It's hard to say how much

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of what Alex is saying is based on any real

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momentum or if he's just connecting stray pieces

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of information in his head.

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Now, Dr. Ed Hudson is a really fun

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fella. He's on a crusade to

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challenge Canada's Firearms Act in a

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wonderfully kick-sodic fashion.

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On January 21st,

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2003, Hudson staged an event

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outside a Saskatoon police station

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where he was in clear view of

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uniformed police and he sold

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an unregistered rifle receiver

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to an associate of his named Joe

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Gingrich. The hope was that he could get

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arrested on a gun sales charge, which he

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could then appeal up to the Canadian Supreme Court

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and that would be his ticket to getting the

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Firearms Act overturned.

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However, he didn't get arrested on a gun charge.

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Oh, he was foiled! An officer

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asked him to surrender the gun part and

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he refused, so he got charged with obstructing

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a police officer.

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That wouldn't be an avenue

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for him to challenge the Firearms Act

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and also the charges were dropped, so

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Hudson was back where he started.

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This was all part of a comedy of errors

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where Hudson was trying to get himself arrested

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for a Firearms Act related offense, but it just

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wasn't happening, to the point where he was

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considering filing charges against

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himself. So we're straight into

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Wile E. Coyote territory

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trying to take down, this is like

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if Wile E. Coyote was trying to take down the Second Amendment.

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But I think it's worse, because I think

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that there's an aspect of this behavior

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that really undercuts the point.

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It's like, oh, these gun laws are so

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oppressive, you can't get arrested

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trying to! What are you talking

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about? Anyway, I don't expect

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Alex to wrestle with that angle of this.

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Eventually, in October

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2003,

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he would successfully have a firearm seized

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but again, he wasn't charged under the Firearms

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Act, just under the Criminal Code.

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Hudson tried to make this work and he

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attempted to raise constitutional challenges

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but they all failed, at which point he asked

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the court to charge him with a crime he could use.

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Oh my god. Oh,

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dude. He also runs a group

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that Alex referenced called the Canadian

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Unlicensed Firearms Owners Association

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and I would assume that any

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self-respecting gun weirdo militia type

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would see that name and immediately

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assume it's either run by an idiot or it's a

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honeypot. Absolutely. There's no way

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I'll join that group. Ah, yes, I would like to join the

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Canadian Crime Committers Joining

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Gang. Yes, that sounds like a good idea. Yes, please,

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put my name on the list.

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Would you also like my home address?

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It's so tall. Jesus Christ.

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Yeah, so anyway, this guy's fun. Wild.

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Um, yeah, so he comes on

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and Alex is real pumped about how, like,

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man, we're gonna

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overturn these gun laws in Canada. It's gonna happen.

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You and me, buddy. 20 years later.

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It's gonna happen.

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Dr. Hudson, tell us about Canadian

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Unregistered Firearms Owners Association

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because it's coming down to the

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point now where Canadians across the

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border saying, in fact, I've read the

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articles even in your own mainstream papers

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that this is about the government

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trying to dominate

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you and that this is about controlling law

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abiding citizens. People are finally

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getting it.

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That's exactly correct. What we've been saying

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for 10 years, what gun owners have been

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saying up here for 10 years is there's

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not a criminal anywhere in the world

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who's registered their firearm or

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licensed themselves. This law

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is not about criminal control

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or crime control. It's about

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controlling its citizens.

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Our group is a small group.

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You have to understand that

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membership in our group is

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completely open. Our membership list is

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open to the government. Anyone who is a member

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knows that their

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name, address, telephone number is

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going to be completely open to the government

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if our membership role is

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confiscated. No one joins

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this group without knowing that they're going to

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be completely open to the government.

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That's his pitch? That sounds like

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gun registration almost. Is that his pitch?

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Is his pitch saying if you

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aren't licensed to

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or if you aren't registered to own a gun

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and you have a gun, sign up

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on this list so the government

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will know you have a gun.

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Yeah, it's at least

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it kind of makes it easy

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for the government to know where

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these unregistered guns are. Yeah, it really does.

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It's kind of helping. You know,

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it's almost like if people

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were aware when they

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were signing up to this website that if

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they then committed a crime with a gun

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that they would know that the gun was

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unregistered, you

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could have just registered. True.

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This is counterproductive and dumb. It's very

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very dumb. So we get into the secession

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stuff and Alex is into

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it but turns out this guy, the Canadian

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guy, isn't

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really that into it. Oh, he loves Canada.

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It's not really his thing. I was a reformed Canada.

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It seems you guys have really gotten the momentum

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going. There's a lot of talk about

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secession. If

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some of these provinces broke off

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we could have a new free country

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couldn't we?

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There's that type of talk in Alberta.

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That's a little bit beyond my scope

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and expertise but I've certainly been

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to many many gun

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shows in Alberta

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and I've certainly stood aside and

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talked to people in Alberta who are

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talking about the Alberta Separatist Party

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Alberta separating.

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I know that that's happening. I am

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not a part of that group. I am

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focusing on peaceful, non-violent

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civil disobedience to a specific

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very unjust law

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here in Canada. That's a really weird way

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he phrased that. That is. I stood

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next to some people who have

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talked about it. I have been

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in the company of those

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people. It's not my

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bailiwick but I have

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associated

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I shared a joint with

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a man trying to get rid of Alberta.

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I would never do that. Now an important

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thing to point out and I don't think that this is

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anything super meaningful outside of

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coincidence but the Maverick

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Party, the Alberta Separatist

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secessionist party was deeply

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involved in the roots of the

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Trucker protests in the present day.

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So you kind of see

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I don't think that all

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folk, I mean there's all kinds

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of differing

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ideas about some

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secession ideas in Canada whether it be from

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First Nations folk

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or from weirdos

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who want guns

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and right wing

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utopia. But it is

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interesting that the fingerprints here

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of secession arguments that Alex is really

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into in the past and in the present

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are both the Alberta Separatist

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groups. Yeah I think we're really putting

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together a good case for

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and I'm going to throw this out at you.

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And here's what I'm learning. If you don't

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want problems to be worse

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twenty years later

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you should take care of problems in the

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present. It is

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true that leaving things

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doesn't usually take care of

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them. Yeah I'm really starting to think that.

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You might be able to ignore them a little bit if

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you ignore them. Right right right. And maybe that

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feels like they're resolved. It feels like they went away.

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Generally not. And then they came back.

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And it'll usually be worse. It'll be way

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worse. So one good piece of news

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for unregistered gun owners

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association owner

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Ed Hudson is that the cops are all

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on his side. Oh of course they are.

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I'm reading that a lot of police are actually on your

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side in Canada. Where are you reading that?

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Most of the rank and file

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police are on our side. I would

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say up to seventy percent. Again

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I don't want to get into the numbers game on something

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that I can't back up but certainly. So I'm going to

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go with a low number like seventy percent.

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The rank and file police officer supports them.

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Well they know they're

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safer when you're armed.

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They know that places. Exactly. Yeah places

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like New York where you can't own a gun that's

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where the cops get killed. Exactly.

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Most police shows and a lot of movies

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are set in New York so it's really

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understandable that if you base your world view

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on movies and pop culture you would

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think that cops in New York are just getting killed all the

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time. In reality Texas

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has the highest number of police killed per year

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pretty regularly. In 2016

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they were number one with eighteen police

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killed in the state in the line of duty with

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the next highest state being California with eleven

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and then Louisiana with nine.

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The entire state of New York had

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four officers killed in the line of duty that

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year. When you adjust for population

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New York isn't even anywhere near the top

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of the list. A 2016

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study conducted by researchers at Harvard found

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that in reality the likelihood of a cop

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being killed in the line of duty was three times

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higher in states with high rates of gun ownership

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compared to states with low rates.

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Yep. Alex feels

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like officer deaths in the line of duty

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must be lower in states with more guns because

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he wants that to be the truth. Because

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he wants it to be true he feels like it is

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and therefore it is true.

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This group gets repeated over and over to

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his audience and they accept it as true despite

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pretty clear evidence that it's just based on

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Alex's feelings. Yeah. Also by

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far the leading cause of death among

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police in the last few years has been COVID and

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we've seen how seriously Alex has dealt with

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that and how much he's cared. Yeah.

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And we've seen how much the cops care.

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That is true. Yep. But

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you know I don't think that he cares about the

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underlying issue as much as he does

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just wants a lot of guns. Yeah. Yep.

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Cool. Yeah.

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So this guy

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this Hudson fella

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he also said something that Alex should probably

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take issue with but Alex

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doesn't because I have Wi-Fi.

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Anything else you'd like to add about this

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subject of liberty and freedom and what

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your despotic government

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is trying to do there in Canada

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Dr. Hudson? I would

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like to take the opportunity to say to your

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listeners that as you said in your

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introduction the people of the United

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States need to wake up

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the forces that are in play

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here in Canada that want to

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take over our rights and

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freedoms. I'm not talking about an

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international conspiracy I'm just talking about

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left leaning type of

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people who want to

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trample on our rights who want to take our freedom

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away from us. No no no we are talking about

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an international conspiracy. It's always

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you're in Canada I'm in America the only reason we should be

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talking about each other is because it's an international conspiracy.

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I'm pretending to be above the left right

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paradigm. It's an international conspiracy

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come on. It's on the left it's an international conspiracy.

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Yeah. So that's the

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end of their interview and

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I mean

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we're in 2022 and this guy has not

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overturned Canada's gun laws. Yet to.

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He's still working on it. I'm sure

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he's got time. Yeah.

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So here's just a nice clip of Alex enjoying his life

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in a way that he probably can't anymore.

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Okay.

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I fell into a burning ring of

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fire. I went down down

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down and the flames

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went higher and it

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burns burns burns

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the ring. I want to play

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that Elvis song looks like an

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angel

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talks like an angel walks

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like an angel but I got wise

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she's a devil in disguise

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because that's exactly what this whole

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government is. Yeah man. Oh

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god yeah that's the shit.

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That's the shit. Takes me back to

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passing a blunt around.

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Man that is that is

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the other side of not having a boss

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though you know like the side that

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we live in now is the bad side where

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nobody is stopping you from being a

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weird monster screaming about demons right.

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And you'll end up doing things that

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lead to consequences that are

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probably things that bosses would

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have curbed.

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Or punished you for.

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Or fired you.

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But this is the good side.

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This is the shit where it's like fuck it

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I'm listening to music right

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now. Who's gonna stop me? Oh it's a news

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show. I'm the news. And the news

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is what music I want to listen to.

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I got some news for you. The government is the

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devil in disguise. Hit it.

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Hit it. Drop the needle.

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There's never a bad time for a hit it.

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So Alex goes back to

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calls and this fellow believes

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that the Amber Alert System is

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a conspiracy. So that's fun.

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Here we go. The Amber Alert System it occurred to me

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when I first started to see those stories on TV

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that they were following that story

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so closely it's like there's no way they could

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have been on the scene and following

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it so tightly unless they knew what was gonna

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happen. But yet when you see

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the same thing overseas it's like oh we don't know

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what happened. We weren't there. We didn't get to

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cover that. You know but all the

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details were all there when they started to

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introduce the Amber Alert System.

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Well this is what we're going to use now because this poor

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little girl and God bless her

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you know whatever happened. I'm sorry

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I didn't know. And it just so happened

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that that same year the FCC

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law was passed that all

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radio and TV stations

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had the EAS

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FEMA takeover boxes

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remote control federal boxes

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put into them and the federal

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plan said it's EAS

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and they said for PR

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we're gonna call it Amber

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and make it mandatory for the

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little kids. Yeah

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it's totally playing off of our good nature

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you know the general I think general

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good nature of the ignorance you know the

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ignorance of citizens. You know

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they want to introduce this and go look. Yeah that's what

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empowered Hitler was

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good Germans that thought man

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I mean people say how did the Germans do it?

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How did they do it? Well because

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they were saps. I wish they could have

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gotten to the people who perpetrated

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9-11 as fast as they did to the Malvo people

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all those guys who shot up

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you know as quickly as they got to them

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Well bottom line

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they're not going to put themselves in

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jail. So this caller has decided that the

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Amber Alert System is a conspiracy and he's doing

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a spectacular job of explaining his position

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Prove this to me. I don't know

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what he's talking about. They couldn't have done it

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if they hadn't already known that they'd done it

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I guess all these

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kidnappings or whatever are false flags

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I don't know. So I'm not so

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much interested in that as I am in his desire

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for the 9-11 hijackers to have

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been caught as quickly as Lee Boyd Malvo

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who was one of the DC snipers

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He and John Allen

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Muhammad were on a shooting spree that

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lasted from February 2nd 2002

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until October 24th

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That's a full 9 months

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that they were at large and 22 days

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of that involved sniping in DC

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That's a long time

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It's not the

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example I would have chosen for

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a speedy

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arrest

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There are crimes where

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you do it and then an hour

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later you get arrested

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You should have chosen one of those crimes

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Sure. Almost any crime

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particularly a violent

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crime, large scale

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If the case

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gets solved at all, a lot of time

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is quicker than 9 months

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I wouldn't use it

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I also don't think that it was

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much more than the

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time of the DC sniping

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that went on. I don't think that that

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time frame is much shorter

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than the period of time from when

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Bush got the memo

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determined to strike in the United States

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until September 11th

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That wasn't that much more than a month before

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That was in August

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I don't know what this guy is saying

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I got nothing

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This is me mostly because that's a bizarre

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choice of a notoriously

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long, terrorizing

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thing that happened

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I don't know. Very weird

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That had the vibe of a

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YouTuber

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Now. Like a YouTuber

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It almost sounded like JonBownReport

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kind of level of random stuff

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I don't think JonBown's allowed on YouTube

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Oh, that's fair

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Alex has more music thoughts

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and I found this really, really funny

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That's right. And they've got

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some new country song. It didn't bite

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Daniels. But it's about

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We got a lot of gang members

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and a lot of troublemakers and terrorists

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Put them in the camps

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Blow their heads off

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We're cowboys

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Give us whiskey

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And beer for horses

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Put everybody in camps

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We're for America

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Kill everybody

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Kill the criminals

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Come high, tie them up in the swamps

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Death, death, death

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Camps, camps, camps

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It's like this rap country song

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I hear every time I turn the radio on

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I don't even know who the group is

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I wrote it down but left it in my truck

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Alex seems to not know that's Willie Nelson

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It's Toby Keith

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and Willie Nelson's whiskey

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for my men, beer for my horses

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Oh, that's what he's talking about? No, shit

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Justice is the one thing you should

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always find

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Boys, you gotta draw a hard line

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When the gun smoke settles

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We'll sing a victory tune

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And we'll all head back

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to the local saloon

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We'll raise up our glasses against

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evil forces, singing

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Whiskey for my men

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Beer for my horses

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Oh boy. Yep. Alright, dude

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Willie Nelson has a line in it

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about get all the rope in Texas

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Find a tall oak tree, hang up all

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them bad boys for the people to see

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or something like that

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And so I think that Alex is responding to that

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I don't know if that song includes

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put everybody in camps

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I think the funniest part is that

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that is closer to the song

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that Sacha Baron Cohen did

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making fun of people

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like Alex

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I don't know if Alex is conflating this too with

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Toby Keith's courtesy of the

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red, white, and blue

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but that doesn't even have anything to do with camps

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Well, I'm gonna throw this out there

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as far as music knowledge goes

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Jingoistic country music, not on my list

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You don't know courtesy of the red, white, and blue?

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I don't know any jingoistic country music

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That's the one where it's like, we'll put a boot in your ass

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it's the American way

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Hey, Uncle Sam put your name at the top

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of his list

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The Statue of Liberty started shaking a fist

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and the eagle will fly

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and it's gonna be hell

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When you hear Mother Freedom

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start ringing a bell

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and feel like the whole wide world

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is coming down on you

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and it's

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brought to you courtesy

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of the red, white, and blue

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I love white people, I do

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and I just don't think they should be allowed

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near music

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and I think that's been borne out by all of human history

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Look, I grew up in central Missouri

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there's a fair amount of Toby Keith

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and a fair amount of karaoke

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It is what it is

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I'd be wrong if I didn't say that I saw my buddy

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Nikki Gift singing courtesy of the red, white, and blue

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a lot

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He did a good version of it

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good rendition

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I think we might have duetted

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Whiskey from a Man on a Horse

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That would make sense

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It's a great classic Toby Keith, Willie Nelson song

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Also, at this point, I think Alex

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is still idolizing Willie Nelson

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Yeah, that seems weird

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Yeah, he should have recognized his voice

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Should have jumped on that one

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He's a very distinctive voice

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This is kind of a big deal that

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he and Toby Keith were doing

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Generational

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passing of the torch

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Not really, but

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Alex has not gotten to a ton of

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his news and we're coming

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up to the end of the show

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and he realizes that

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It is like trying

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to force the amount of information

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that you have in a water hose

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a fire hose

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under pressure

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of gallons every few minutes

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It's like trying to force

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that through the straw you stir

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your coffee with

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I could take one of these articles

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Dr. David

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Kelly, I've probably read a hundred

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stories on it, read his emails

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listened to the accounts of his family

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obviously murdered

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I could talk for

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hours about Condoleezza Rice caught

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in new lies

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I could spend hours about how the agenda

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between Hillary and Bush is identical

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I could spend hours about the

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control grid, the police state

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I could spend hours about

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this new 9-1-1 report

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and the omission of the

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Saudi Arabia stuff

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It's just there

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a pack of murdering criminals

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bottom line

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He could do a lot of things

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He could! He's not doing any of those things

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I mean, he couldn't talk for hours

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about the David Kelly thing because

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basically he said his piece on he doesn't really know anything more

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He could just ramble about stuff maybe

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True

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The Saudi Arabia stuff he already talked about at the beginning

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of the show very briefly and dismissed

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out of hand, so I don't know if he could talk

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about that for hours Why would he? Maybe he could

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Just not about the truth, nonsense

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I don't know

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I grow weary of

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like, I could have done

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this, you could and you can

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you have a show, no one's telling you anything

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What did you

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do instead? Are you saying?

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You whiffed a fucking interview with a construction

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guy thinking it

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was going to be awesome, you talked to a

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Canadian weirdo who's trying

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to get all the unregistered gun owners

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to sign up for his organization

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create a list of unregistered gun

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owners And it wasn't even an international

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conspiracy! Ugh, God

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Brutal Yeah, it's just

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if you could, you

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should, and you got it

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because what you're doing

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you could, you should

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So we have one last clip here

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and it's sort of Alex's trademark

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headline wrap up at the end

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of the show, he goes over

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some of the headlines, some of them he talked

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about, some of them he didn't, some of them he

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doesn't have time to get to because he's

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run out of time There's another article

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Reveal the secret cabal which

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spun for Blair and the British

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police they now found out are part of some secret

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society. I'm out of time

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folks

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But before I end this hour you heard

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the caller, the last caller

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John in Pennsylvania talk about

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Road to Tyranny Got time for a plug

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So

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that article isn't about the police being in a

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secret society but Alex thinks that

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because he's just skimming headlines and he saw

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the word cabal. It's about

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allegations that there was a team called Operation

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Rockingham which cherry picked

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reports to emphasize the

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argument that Saddam was not in compliance

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with proliferation rules. This is a

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new UK group

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These allegations were made by a former UN

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weapons inspector from the United States named

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Scott Ritter but this isn't a proven

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claim and there's been actually many

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objections to it. Like Rockingham

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does exist but the claim that their purpose

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was to cherry pick intel, that's not

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established fact. It hardly

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matters though because Alex hasn't read this

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story, he has no idea what he's talking about

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and even if he did he doesn't have time to get into another

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story because he's got to try and sell his DVD

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before the show ends. So he skims

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the headline, sees the word cabal and decides

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to tell his audience a completely made up

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story that the news is reporting that they uncovered a

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secret society in the British police

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force. Again, I'm a broken

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record, I understand that but this is

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acceptable to Alex. He's fine

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reporting completely fabricated stories

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because he doesn't care. It is

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it is never

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not astonishing

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that a man could just read

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a headline and then be like

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and in the UK they've discovered that there

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is a cult of cops out

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there, cop taking, you know

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just doing this whole thing and it's like no

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you just read it. This is what I

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have decided these words I

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absolutely. It's like a writing

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prompt. It's like a creative

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writing prompt and he gets one every

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time he looks at the paper and then he

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just spins a yarn and it's

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not, you know, you know it

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intellectually you know it but your entire

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life has trained you to believe that if somebody

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is standing at a desk looking into

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you reading off of the news then

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they have to at least have something like something

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close to have read the words.

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You would hope, you'd hope they'd have that standard and then

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the other thing that you project onto those

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people is that they

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would feel bad about

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getting things completely wrong

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and just making shit up. At the very

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least would be embarrassed. Or

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worried about consequences or anything.

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Somebody would laugh at you.

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Right. Yeah. And no it's not

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it's not the case for him. He just does not give

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a shit. Just lets it all

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hang out there. And then again

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like the real essential point is

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you have to understand

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the way Alex

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filters information from

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a source through himself to

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the audience and recognize how

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unreliable of a delivery

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mechanism this is. You

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can't trust what's coming out because

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sometimes it might

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be a thing that he understands.

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Sometimes it might

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be something he made up from skimming a headline

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and you have no idea which is which.

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He sounds exactly

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the same no matter which of these

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things it is. He could be talking

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about how, hey I believe that

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the First Amendment allows for

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writing on an American flag.

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And that's probably something he's thought about.

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Sounds exactly the same as him reporting that there

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is an undercover secret society

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in the British police force based on

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this headline that has nothing to do with that.

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And that's a dangerous

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kind of person to be disseminating

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information. Yep. That's

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that's my point. You got it.

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Now that

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is where you put a period my friend.

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Well I also have some more thoughts about Toby Keith.

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Oh that is where you are

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going to keep that period my friend.

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Fine. But yeah

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hey we've reached the end of this

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and I think that obviously

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2003's are so much more fun.

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Absolutely. I mean there's no world

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in 2020.

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You don't hear him

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singing much anymore and you

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never in the present day going to hear him

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taking a long shot on

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interviewing a construction dude. Absolutely not.

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You're never going to find stuff like that and it's

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just great. It's too good. Also

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spoiler alert. What? Alex announced that

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he has booked Charlie Daniels

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for a future show. Okay.

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Well I guess we'll be in the past

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until then. And

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Alex does not like Charlie Daniels.

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Charlie Daniels is too

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good to the war. Okay. So even Alex might get into

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an argument. Alright now I'm in. That could be great.

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Now I'm in. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. So I'm pumped

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for that. Anyway

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we'll be back

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whenever you're back from your vacation.

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Indeed we will. But until then we have a website.

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We do. It's knowledgefight.com. Yep.

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We're also on Twitter. We are on Twitter. It's at knowledge underscore

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fight and at go2betjordan. Yep. We'll be back.

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But until then I'm Neo. I'm Leo.

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I'm DZXClark.

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So dreamy creamy.

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Cindy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work. I love you.