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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan

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Jordan not here today, Jordan on vacation

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Dan here, Celine, somewhere over there, mewing

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Hello, I am one guy who likes to sit around

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and worship at the altar scene and talk a little bit about

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Alex Jones and if Jordan were here I would imagine that

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right about now I'd be getting just incredibly surprised by him

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asking me if I had a bright spot and if he were here I would tell

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him that my bright spot today is actually it's something that

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maybe a little delayed being a bright spot but there's a new season of

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Survivor upon us it started a couple weeks back me and my

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friend Angela Lampsbury have been been watching the season a lot of

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there's a there's a lot of problems with with Survivor

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still I think I think they have added too many bells and whistles I think

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I've made this point in the past too many convoluted rules about

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idols that only have power at a certain point oh

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god the the it's it's a mess if you if you don't know what I'm

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talking about if you don't understand these Byzantine rules that Survivor has

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added good for you I'm rambling a little bit that's what

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happens when I'm sitting here alone I suppose so I wanted to

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put out a little special sneaky snake episode today

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and in Jordan's absence we thought take the opportunity to have a chat with

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somebody who folks have requested that we we have a

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chat with and someone who I think is a very interesting person and so I

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sat down and had a little chat with Amanda Moore and

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we will be getting into that in just a moment but before we do

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I would like to take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks

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so first wonky Kong thank you so much you are now policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk next Barleywine versus the westboro baptist church thank you

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so much you are now policy wonk I'm a policy wonk thank you so much next

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on Infowars with his pile of documents all day long in the Shays lounge on

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the Shays lounge thank you so much you are now policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk next Zachary motherfucking

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Sorrow thank you so much you are now policy wonk I'm a policy wonk

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and Kit Daniels crying because he can't have any gummy worms thank you so much

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You are now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk and guess what Jordan who's not here?

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We have a technocrat at the mix

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So thank you so much to the technocrat who is a techno cat in a techno hat. You're now a technocrat

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I'm a policy wonk. I have risen above my enemies. I might quit tomorrow. Actually. I'm just gonna take a little break you know a

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little breaky for me and

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then we're going to come back and

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And I'm gonna start the show over

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Fuck you

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Fuck you. I got plenty of words for you

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But at the end of the day fuck you and your New World Order and fuck the horse

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She rode in on and all your shit. Maybe today should be my last broadcast. Maybe I'll just be gone a month. Maybe five years

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Maybe I'll walk out of here tomorrow, and you never see me again

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That's really what I want to do. I

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Never want to come back here again

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I apologize to the crew and the listeners yesterday that I was legitimately having breakdowns on air

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I'll be better tomorrow. We will find out if he's ever better, but for now

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On that note let us jump to this interview that me and Amanda did and

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We will catch you on on Friday for another episode. We will see you then

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Hello folks

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How do you do joining me today in in Jordan's absence?

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I I thought there was somebody who I wanted to have a conversation with somebody who I found very interesting and thought

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Might be relevant to a lot of the topics that we cover on the show

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So I'm thrilled to be joined today by Amanda Moore. How are you?

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Good I'm so happy to be here on my favorite podcast

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I'm thrilled that you enjoy the show

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I feel like for most people it's probably not a healthy thing, but given your particular

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Path and trajectory, maybe it's it's appropriate for you to enjoy the show

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Yeah, yeah, I

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Made my message to you previously when I was undercover so you know

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Mm-hmm for those who do not know

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Who you are and what you your your experience? Do you want to give like a little bit of a brief version of it?

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I don't want to tell it lest I lest I screw up some sort of details

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So I

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Kind of accidentally on purpose when undercover in the car right during coven

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Uh, so I went to steel rallies January 6 CPAC

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Matt gates

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Undersers, which is so embarrassing

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You know, you name it. I did it

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So and so now here we are

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So what what were the like actual dates that like you were like beginning and end of your time?

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Doing this undercover

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activity

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My first event I went to you was the November

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2020 still rally in Washington DC right after Trump lost the election

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That was that was the end of Owen Schroyer's Caravan up the East Coast

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Yeah, yeah

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Wow to be there for the end of the Infowars Caravan what what a treat I

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Have to start describing it. My my time started when Owen Schroyer's Caravan ended in my city

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And then I got stops unfortunate in September 2021, okay, okay

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So yeah, that's that's a pretty good stretch that covers a lot of like the really

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sort of more

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turbulent times around that run that stretch

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You said that accidentally and on purpose yeah when we went undercover

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What what do you think was more do you think was more of an accident or more on purpose?

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You know, I think

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My plan was just to go like I went to the stuff is still rallies and I was just like there

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I'm like I was taking pictures and like tweeting about it and for that second stuff to still rally in December of 2020

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Asked me to put some audio since I live here and they knew I was gonna go anyway

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and so then I

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Will go to the fair wine and I'll just see if I can sell the other another podcast with I can write whatever and then

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We started me capital. So I was like

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So

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It kind of just kept escalating so I don't ever mentally kind of go to things and like

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in and out and not have a personality but

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when I was at CPAC, which is a

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mainstream Republican event a

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Nazi recruited me to help his grassroots organization get more Congress members so

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became a

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Undercover person so yeah, it seems like it was

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You know being around and then people coming up to you and and sort of being like hey you you wanna

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You want to dip in a little further?

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I guess that's that probably makes I mean that's probably a path a lot of people go down who are more willing and less

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Having a mind for

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Undercover operation

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Yeah, yeah people would ask me, you know, oh, well, how did you been in public politics before?

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And I would say no and I would just like well, you know from Maryland and everybody I grew up with is very, you know

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Liberal and so, you know, they know I'm conservative

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They assume I didn't vote for Trump and I've never corrected them but now COVID

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Thank you. Stay in or you leave your house and so everybody knows and so I've like lost my friends and my support group

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I'm trying to find a new set of people and everybody would be like, oh, yeah, totally normal happens all the time

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Yes

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Interesting. Did you feel like you were intentionally creating that as a way to make yourself look more vulnerable?

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Like that those sort of descriptions of yourself like that would be the sort of person that they would want to recruit in

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It's interesting. I never I've ever thought about it. I was just like, oh shit

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I need a reason why I wouldn't even put my name. I don't come up as a member of the Young Republicans Club

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But that's yeah

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That's actually a really good point

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It seems like that is the a lot of the sort of people you hear who fall down these these rabbit holes or people who

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you know don't have those support structures people who maybe have

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gotten some

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Weird politics and the people around them are tolerant of it or or just have had enough of it

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And then they find the people who will accept them, you know, yeah

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Yeah, it was definitely common and I mean it like it's a crass way to say it but like it is true like during COVID

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like

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especially here and I know the rest of the country was different because I traveled all around the country for COVID but like here like

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You know people like DC had one of the highest mass compliance rates in the country

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So people were a mass outside like well into the summer of 2020

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I mean it was it was all very much like if somebody didn't do the rules they're gonna do was socially acceptable

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I mean you definitely were like

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You know

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Mm-hmm unless you were in Congress and then you get away with it

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That's true

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So you you went undercover and did you I guess

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Something that I'm kind of interested in is like early on when you started to notice that you know

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Like you're you're getting in enmeshed in some of these circles

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What what sort of gold did you have with the undercover thing? Like did it was there a like

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I'm gonna find criminal activity or

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Information or what was where was your mind at?

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I was freaking out. I mean at first like I said, you know, like once the guy like talked to me at some talk

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I was like, hey, we have this group. I was still like whatever. Um, you know, I wasn't I then I googled him

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And I realized I was like okay. His group is like actually working Congress

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They are actually helping write stuff with Congress

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And when I messaged him, I was like, yeah, I'm very interested in helping you

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He's like, well, I have this contract at the Hungarian embassy. So you guys can you know, and so I was like, oh my god

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I'm I still like in this edition like

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So I I mean it became like yeah, I was like this is you know

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It's something you should write about us to call probably like write some long-form article or something and then it started to be like, okay

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Well, obviously like I think there might be criminal churches here. This is definitely something that

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Voters should know about really like congressperson that's running

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Obviously, this is much more than the long-form piece now that I have to rate

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and so it's just kind of like all over the place, but I didn't really

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Still didn't really have a plan other than get as much information as possible and then sort it out later

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Mm-hmm. Did did a plan of like what you were doing develop over time?

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Was there there was there like a point where you realized like, all right

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This is this is why I'm here or why I'm doing this

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Well, I mean the plan, my plan was to like

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Really gives much information about this particular group as possible

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And I was I mean a bunch so many so many people that I was on a ton of journalists knew what I was doing

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A lot of people knew some on the record and some off the records

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The information that I was getting um, and it was just it was hard to say because it's like

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You can see obviously if if A and B is happening then like, you know C is happening, too

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We have to be able to improve it

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It's a lot of it was just like can you pull out more information from these people?

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And then I was also like going to like QAnon stuff, which wasn't really related to fascism

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That was just for fun

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And a lot of that was like, they don't have media, they don't allow media

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And they don't they don't if they live stream something gets taken down

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So that's like lost the lost QAnon Chronicles of 2021

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That I was recording. So that was a little different

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So you have like an archive of of like the the the what would it be the apocrypha of

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That's gonna be valuable one day that's gonna be that's gonna be in a college archive

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Um, so yeah

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A whole year of experiences that you've had that's obviously going to be more than like a single piece

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As you're describing it, you know, you're going to be sort of more mainstream conservative

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Areas, you know, whether it be the CPEC or I guess you could call stop the steal stuff like fairly mainstream now

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And then the QAnon stuff

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And so there's there's sort of multiple threads and they kind of how much overlap did you experience between that that kind of those worlds

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So here's like a couple of examples

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I'm 33 years old and everybody I was hanging out with in the fascist world was like probably my age a little older a little younger like roughly in my age group

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QAnon stuff was way more like boomers

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And so there wouldn't be like that kind of overlap

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The overlap that I would see would be like Turning Point USA which is meant for mainstream young Republicans

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Like the fascists that I was hanging out with would go there and recruit people like obviously they got me at CPEC

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They would be happy to use the QAnon people for sure which they talked about extensively

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I think a lot of it's like the age difference where if I have the stuff I was going to live free

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So if I was going to like maybe free QAnon stuff or like if I was more on the west coast where there's like all those rallies in LA

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Where they do skew much younger I probably would have seen more crossover but just the way it worked out

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Well on January 6 I actually I messaged a friend of the show Mike Rothschild and I was like this is the first time I've seen a guy in a three percenter shirt

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Talked to a guy in a QAnon shirt, they're like grilling hot dogs before we stormed the capitol you know

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And so that was a lot and then like three percenters were handing out water bottles at a QAnon oven I went to

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They were like providing like security and like services for us

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Oh wow, so do you have a feeling or a sense then that like what you experienced was like after that there was more melding?

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Yeah, I've never seen it until January 6th so I'm like this is not my first like I've never been undercover but because of the way I walk

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It's pretty easy for me just to walk into the wrong side of the protest so like Laura Loomer had a big rally in DC a few years ago

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And I literally walked out of my office on the wrong side of the building and ended up at it and I was like oh guess I'm recording this now

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And like you know there wasn't that like I mean there's just I've never seen anything like that mentioned to people because people make fun of the QAnon people you know

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Even the people in those like those right-wing circles are making fun of that yeah

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That kind of bums me out but pretty expected I would think

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So you experienced I guess then what you're describing as like you kind of being an intentional like people who are maybe more extreme

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Going to places like Turning Point, like CPEC in order to maybe find people who would be receptive to their more extreme message

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This is an intentional strategy that you see people using I take it

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Well I didn't just see people using it I actively discussed doing this

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Like I have audio with literal Nazis talking about how yeah we're gonna just start going to you know young republican stuff

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And we're gonna say yeah I'm a nationalist yeah like I'm you know obviously like I'm a white nationalist and just you know make it normal

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So yeah it's happening

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Yeah that's that's kind of not that surprising I guess I guess that like you'd expect that they would be aware of that

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I wonder how much people like the Turning Point folk are aware of that that they are being used that way

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Do you have a sense of that?

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The guys I was hanging out with in response to Turning Point

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Oh so maybe maybe fairly aware

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So there's like a weird structure too for like I was hanging out with like people who I said I was 27

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Because like obviously I need to be also my fiancé died

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That's what I would tell people because I had to explain why you know like I'm not there and I'm just sad

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I want at least eight white babies so like I think the guys are mostly like in their early 30s

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And so there is that and then below that in age range you have APU, the American Popular Studio

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Which is a spin-off group of breakers who are like Nick, Nick Fuentes is too toxic

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And then you have the honesty of Nick

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Did a trip with USA and like banned Nick, banned a handful of breakers

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And then like APU isn't welcome but plenty of those guys like go to Turning Point USA events

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And then above that you have the group I was with who's just straight up given a booth to be an exhibitor

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So it's like the more distinguished you are

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That seems like a bad vibe

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That seems like a recipe for quite an indoctrination cycle

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That stinks

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I guess one question that I'm sure you get all the time but I'm very interested in is

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Like was there ever a point where like you were like legitimately afraid for your life

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Because I have to assume that being in the like you're around people who do nothing but spread violent rhetoric

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You know like it's gotta be I would assume frequently pretty scary

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I mean I think what like the correct answer is yes but the real answer is no

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I mean I flew across the country to go on a picnic date with a Nazi overlooking a riot

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And like I got his car and I just didn't even think about it I'm like whatever this is fine

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I was like in hotel room parties with these people and I just never I never felt like I was in danger

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And I mean obviously the caveat to that is like had they realized what was going on

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I think it would have been a different story but they didn't

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And so it was never I mean the violence never directed at me

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So that worry wasn't in your mind of like maybe they know already

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These people listen

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Massive eye roll there

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Okay so wait okay first of all these these dumb shits I like I would text these guys

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So all of the guys who were in like all the fascists like actual Nazi or like Nazi people

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I would text them and they like they clearly had no idea

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I mean because they would just keep hitting on me and like whatever

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And like when I was actually doxxed someone on 4chan doxxed me and put my doxxed in all these telegram groups

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And all the QAnon people saw but the fascists didn't see it for like a week and a half

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Like I was still gonna fly down to an event in Florida that we were all supposed to go to together

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And like I was like all right I'm just gonna text them and I'm gonna see if anybody says anything

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And everybody responded immediately like they had no I mean they literally could not control themselves

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There's no way they would have been able to like not call them out

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So they don't have they don't have good information awareness

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The QAnon folks are more plugged in

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Well the QAnon folks spend all of their time in the telegram channels

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Like what new conspiracy can we come up with today oh my gosh

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Wow I guess maybe I'm just kind of like up in my head

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So I just imagine myself like constantly being like I've been figured out oh no

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Like that that's I mean I think I think it probably takes a certain amount of like putting that aside

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To be able to be in an undercover situation you know

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Yeah in the beginning I was more I wasn't scared because sometimes in the beginning wasn't anywhere where like

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I mean people in the convention center at CPAC are gonna like turn on me you know

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And like their security like I'm fine if even if everybody figured it out

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So I think it was good I kind of eased in like that because it got it out of the way I wasn't nervous

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You're saying you were in like hotel parties and stuff like so you were probably drinking with these folks and such

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Like I would be so scared of that like I don't know I maybe it's just because I talk a little bit of shit when I have some drinks

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So like I would be so afraid of just like saying the wrong thing

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I don't know I'm fascinated by this aspect of what you did like the being comfortable

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I got blackout drunk one time and it was at 20 Point USA and it was maybe the second night

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And there was some shitty dinner I don't know and I met this guy who I'd seen him the night before the hotel thing

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And we started talking and he asked me what my vision for America was and I was like oh I don't know

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I never wanted to radicalize people and so I always like match whatever energy you gave me if you were like a regular moderate republican

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I'm not gonna be like have you heard about the Jews? So he was like what do you want?

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He's like well like a friendlier Nazi Germany and I was like okay I guess you know I can say whatever you guys can

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And so we hung out and for just hours this went on and this guy flew across the country to go on a picnic date with

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And we went to a James O'Keefe sponsored open bar party afterwards and I just was like I can't do this anymore

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And I just got shitfaced so other than that I would like get like gin and tonics and like dump it out in the sink in the bathroom and fill it up with water

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Smart, smart. I mean I could relate with all angles of that like I certainly would end up slamming drinks at a open bar James O'Keefe party

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I can't imagine existing there and not

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Was that where you got your llama?

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It's where I got him. You've liberated this llama? I liberated my liberated retracto

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He was sitting on the table when I walked in and my arm was broken so I had to fling so I was like

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And I put him in the flight and people tried to steal him all night

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Well it's quite an attractive llama I can understand people wanting to swipe it

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Well I also got COVID so a llama might be like a pox

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Yeah it's like a pox blanket

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Congratulations

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Thank you

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So one of the things that I wanted to bring up is kind of like related to the stuff that we kind of go over on this show is

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I feel like my sense of things is that there's like Alex and his sort of propaganda world

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And then the sort of waters that you were swimming in they're related in as much as there's hard right extremism

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And a lot of the same ideas and a lot of the same desires for the world

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But it seems like that's a completely separate like group

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There are names that ring out in the communities that you were talking about that have nothing to do with like Alex and Infowars

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And they probably I'm guessing think that Alex is a joke

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Would that be accurate?

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If you mean the like younger fascists? No

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I mean I mean so people like

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Okay so I was at this American Policy Union event and you know they're all

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I mean one of the organizers was like 16 years old like they're not

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And they're 16 years old

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And they're all like talking and somebody was like you know we make fun of the big red man

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Because he says the frogs are turning gay and he's like what's happening the frogs are turning gay

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And we have like a moment we also applaud for Alex Jones

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And like there is this like and I don't think it's I don't think it's fake

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It's like you know oh like he's like you know basically like I think there's a lot of recognition that like he paved the way for people to kind of be who they are

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And so even if you think some of his ideas are like silly or stupid or he's like an out of touch boomer

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It's like well he's also done so we like get some respect

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And I can't really think of a comparison on the left that we have but I know that we have these people so like

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Yeah I've seen a lot of that on like maybe message boards

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People trying to rationalize like yeah he sucks but you know he was an OG or whatever you know like about Alex

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Like he woke me up but then also like I think he's bad or he sucks

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Yeah and I was also thinking of a lot of people who I mean everyone that I knew who was a fascist

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Everybody's like yeah we did January 6 it was oh it's cool as hell I would do it again tomorrow it didn't go far enough

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And I actually think that Alex Jones involvement in creating the atmosphere in which January 6 happened

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Really like led to some goodwill because people are pretty forgiving

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When they're like oh you know he's calling it a conspiracy he's calling it this or that it's like well cast him

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And so I think that kind of helped him in a way that I didn't really expect

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Interesting that is like a bizarre side effect

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I do think that it you know like even Nick Fuentes is like talks about how awesome the sixth was

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Like even someone like as close to the world of Alex as him doesn't need to cover himself

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It's weird that Alex wouldn't just be like it was good

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Yeah yeah but you know I think like it's not it's like an implicit recognition and then I mean Fuentes says that stuff he says it like

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After he was banned on Twitter he was in a Twitter space six months later and said the six was fucking awesome

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Yeah he didn't say that out of the gate and he has like worked at least a little bit to cover it up

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And I think too the melding of like Fuentes's fans because you know Fuentes runs Infowars on his stupid website

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And I think that's also created this atmosphere because they understand like all the grippers get it

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Like when Roger Taylor Greene is like I didn't know who Nick was

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Everybody in the chats on when Nick's videos are live are like yeah we know you didn't you didn't know

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Yeah and if anybody says oh you know fuck her like she's like denying us everybody dogpiles

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And it's like are you stupid do you not understand how this works

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Right like the Nick's America First pack like the whole event Stu Peters came on and was shitty to Roger Taylor Greene

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And they turned on him like the Nick was Nick turned on him even though he was an invited speaker and yeah there's something very important about that one

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That crazy congressperson

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Yeah she's terrible

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Did you do you ran into her I assume like you you met you met the MTG

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I met MTG so when I was at CPAC where I met this fascist group they're called Republicans for National Renewal

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I was actually at one of their events where they were hosting her and Paul Gosar and Laura Loomer as speakers

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Seems like you running into the loom a lot

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She's really like loud likes to go places so it's kind of hard not to especially if you're in Florida

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But yeah so I met Marjorie Taylor Greene watched her give the same speech a thousand times at this point

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You know she's she's she's terrible

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I imagine if I were to ask you about just about anybody it would be about the same response like terrible

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Yeah I kind of think if there was anybody that was like cool

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Yeah that is something I was I was curious about like if there was somebody who sticks out as like

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But then you know what I don't want I don't know if I want to necessarily dwell on positives about these folks

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Like even tolerable like so I will say you know what I'll give it to Mike Lindell

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Mike Lindell super rich I think he's a full true believer because I mean I think he's all in

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I think a lot of people are lying I don't think he is

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Really accessible guy you know you could be walking past them and you could be like hey Mike great pillows

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You know stop and talk for like 30 minutes and his security is like dude we gotta go and he's like no

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So that's that's nice if you're into if you're into that it's probably good

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So there's like a sincerity behind that even if it is you know I want to talk to you about how China stole the election

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And I have forensic yeah at least it's sincere that he thinks that that's what's going on

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There's something to be said to that

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Yeah Flynn is also accessible but only when there's alcohol so

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Flynn opens up he's a little bit of a little bit of a what's it called blooming I don't know

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Do you eat onion? I don't know

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Sure

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He loves attention and so if you are at an event like I remember I was at an event and there was like this long line

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And they were like people in military shit patting people down I walked up to one of the guys in the uniform

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Like what is this he's like back up and I'm like bro my arm's fucking broken like I'm not I'm obviously not a threat you know

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Like what's going on he's like people are taking a picture of General Flynn I was like why did I have to go through all this

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I was like we paid $500 to get into this event why do you have to do security and he was like that's how it always is

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And I was like I pulled my the background on my my phone was a picture of me and Flynn and I was like I got this in the bar

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He's like no you didn't I'm like yeah I did because in all these events if Flynn's a speaker you just go where does he usually stay

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I think Hyatt's just go to the closest Hyatt bar and there you go he'll be sitting there and he'll talk to you for hours with these people

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So he's super accessible I'm trying to think

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That seems irresponsible for him just to be that in public you know

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It's weird Roger Stone is like I don't know if you pay to get into an event that Roger Stone is at and he's like willing to be there

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And not just as a cash grab I mean it's all cash grabs but you know if it's a good event for Roger Stone he will hang out and talk to people

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But he's pretty standoffish too Loomer is a bitch I'm just gonna put that out there

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Shots fired

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Yeah that's right she's very rude

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I don't think you would get that from her sort of public appearances

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Yeah she's so friendly

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Yeah I feel like she comes off as not mean at all

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Super nice if you can do something for her she's very friendly if you're in a position of power whatsoever

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All of these people I'm trying to think of who has crossover on to knowledge fight because not all of these dipshits go on

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That's one of the things that I think is really weird here is the overlap in terms of a lot of like ideology but not actual overlap

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I mean you got Flynn, you got Mike Lindell, you got Laura Loomer, you got Nick Fuentes

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So I mean there are at least a number of people and then you said you went to the November rally to stop the steal and then I guess January 6th and Stuart Rhodes was at both of those

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And then I mean I saw Jones that's what I messaged you about when I was in your comments I saw Jones at the December rally and I actually we're going to talk about the December South still rally

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I spent like weeks thinking that I had some fever dream and just made up half this rally because they had three different stages

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I guess they had one at Freedom Plaza so that's closer to the White House and then they had one halfway down the mall so it's further east and then behind the Capitol is where the Supreme Court is and they had a Supreme Court stage

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And no media covered that stage so I went back there and like I saw Lauren Boebert speaking and she was already elected at this point and I saw Alex Jones trying to take over the stage

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And I literally I found one Japanese newspaper that had a single picture of Lauren Boebert on that stage nobody else had anything I couldn't find nothing

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When you covered I guess whoever was there reporting Alex you're the only person that I could find that talked about it

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When you tried to storm the stage there was no information. You got a scoop? It was wild and it was strange too because there was a stage that was run by Jennifer Lawrence and not the actress

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Unfortunately I mean good for her that she's not a terrible person but also it would have been more exciting to watch for me and Millie Weaver was speaking on the stage

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Was this pre-Shadowgate Millie Weaver or had she been fired yet?

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Yeah she had been fired and so Boebert went on and Millie Weaver went on right after Boebert and Alex tried to rush the stage and he plowed into me

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Very cool I got to touch Alex

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As if touching him has healing properties

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Yes I touched Alex and he was trying to get up there and he had a megaphone and his megaphone was broken so you couldn't really understand him and people were like who is that?

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It's Alex Jones but there were so many Proud Boys around him that it's like obviously it's easy to not see him and they went on stage and Dustin's up on stage

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He's like we're not you can't you gotta leave sir and everybody's like let Alex speak this is America Alex Jones is America

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First amendment

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And then when he walked away the whole rally ended I mean like the whole crowd followed Alex away from the stage and Dustin was like okay

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That's the effect he has he ruins other people's things by like just like bombarding with energy and then everyone's just burnt out or like let's Pied Piper this shit let's follow that guy

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Yeah and then he was like oh party tonight and I was like where are people going tonight and so I went once it was dark to like kind of where Alex was staying which is the JW Marriott

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It was like a party in the streets and some people got stabbed as it happens

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And after the stabbing everybody lined up in front of the Marriott and Alex Jones let us in a nice 1776 chant and then he yelled into his megaphone some more but it was still broken so I have no idea what he said

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And then the Proud Boys went off in groups of eight to stomp around the city like they were the army

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Obviously I went to DC not too long ago and I made a pilgrimage to Comet Ping Pong and nothing but Antifa federal agents the entire the entire place was packed with lousy with them

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Full of them absolutely full of them

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Sometimes being exposed to a ton of material on a kind of a regular basis makes you question a little bit of your preconceived notions or like the ideas you go in with

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I was wondering if there's any point that you can think of that where you questioned like maybe these people are right or onto something

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Did that ever happen? Never but I was raised evangelical and I used to be a libertarian so if the fascist or QAnon ship was going to sail it would have been like two decades ago

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Well less that and more like just losing a grip on where you were

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So I think part of why maybe this didn't happen to me is because I wasn't leading one life undercover but like there would be things I would say to QAnon people about things that all yeah I believe

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Yeah sure of course there's children under the Getty and like that's the kind of stuff that you can't say to like a 28 year old normal fascist because they're going to be like what's wrong with you

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And so I was already having to do all of this like mental gymnastics where I'd have to over analyze stuff and be like okay and if I hear news I would literally have to think like how would a Q person respond to this and how would a fascist person respond to this

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And so instead of adopting like one one mindset or listening to one thing for so long I was kind of listening to things that sometimes conflict with each other

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And I think that probably helped because it was it was constantly like you know I might I might listen to Alex Jones talk about a topic and Elizabeth Nickleman does talk about a topic and even though so I have both sides

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That's fascinating because I imagine that that forced you to be analytical more you know than than just if you had one persona if you will you know like that that might have been really helpful probably to keep you grounded

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Yeah, yeah, and I find, like, it's very easy for me to think like, how would a fascist think but I find like, how would the QAnon people think I actually have to take a minute to like because I can be so out of touch with reality.

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Sure. And so there would be times too where I would hear stuff from the QAnon side of things where I would have to be like, what the fuck are they talking about and I would have to Google it just to understand where they're coming from because it's like, how are we even getting here?

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And so I think that also was helpful because it's like I have to see the real world answer to whatever they're saying

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Yeah, you have to sort of translate and decode. I feel like it would be tough not to just like succumb to thinking of QAnon as kind of randomness because you know so much of like, you know, whatever the belief is you could just have any belief you'd think like at least I think that most people view it that way

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Do you think that there is more of a set system for the things that they believe than randomness?

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I think that the set systems for what they believe are easily traced back to which influencers like indoctrination they support.

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It's just like you having QAnon you have people who believe JFK Jr. is still alive. And then you have people who are like, that's crazy and makes us look bad stop saying that. And so it's kind of like, okay, and then I think some of it might kind of be random so a lot of what I would experience, especially QAnon stuff is people want to tell you all their conspiracies, they can't shut up, they want to make sure you're super well informed, it's incredibly tiring.

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And I would get people like, I would watch people say shit like, Ashley Babbitt is still alive. And everybody would be like, you're a lunatic. What are you talking about? But then an hour later, people were like, Ashley Babbitt was a crazy actress and she's still alive.

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I didn't know it until this person convinced me.

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Yeah, over two martinis in the lobby bar of this hotel. And so I think some of it, I think it does kind of mutate in person in a way that isn't easily controlled. And I was at one event, and it was a 9-11 Memorial Party where General Flynn was the keynote speaker.

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Weird end to the sentence. 9-11 Memorial Party.

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I don't know what else to call it. It was $500 and I had to buy a chair when I got there.

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It was steep.

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It's a big grift to not come with a chair. And the VIP dinner the night before the main event, this chiropractor named Brian Artist was there and he's just an absolute piece of shit.

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He says to the crowd, how many people died in the Holocaust? And I'm like, wow, this is zero. Not enough. I don't know what answer you want. I'm so quiet.

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Yeah, in those circles, that's a question you do not want to hear someone pose like, oh God, this is going to go horribly.

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But then he was like 6 million. And I'm like, okay. So he's like, but you know, more people are dying from Fauci's Holocaust because the current gas chambers are the ER rooms.

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And everybody's like, what? And so that's what he's going into. It's not COVID that fills your lungs with fluid. It's room to disappear. And he's intentionally done this and it's all bullshit and lies. But it's like a comedian doing a test set.

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But it's these conspiracy theorists trying things out.

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At a $500 dinner?

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Again, I had to buy my own chair. And the dinner? The dinner was in a barn.

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I'm saying that that's disrespectful of someone to do open mic conspiracy material at a $500 dinner.

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Well, you're eating your microwave food sitting in horseshit. So like, whatever.

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We've already paid. What are we going to do?

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So I do think with QAnon sometimes it is about who's interpreting information.

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I think I have a sense, and this is a completely uneducated sense, but I feel like the people are definitely responding to whatever YouTube videos they watch or whatever creator, their version of things.

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But whatever their creator believes, that has a slight bit of randomness to it.

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I think so. Absolutely. I mean, especially now that QAnon is no longer posting.

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I mean, when I was posting, I think there were, but now there's no, it can't be like, oh, how does Q feel about whatever topic in the news?

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So yeah, I mean, it just is like, how are you feeling today? Oh, you're feeling very cranky. Okay, well, I'm going to make a bad situation.

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Yeah, yeah. Now the world's doomed.

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Yeah, yeah. It's very much like you talk about that a lot with Alex. It's in a mood. It's in a mood.

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Yeah, it's narcissism projected somewhat.

Unknown Speaker (00:47:13.559)

You mentioned the kids under the Getty, and I wanted to loop back to this really quick. Do people believe that?

Unknown Speaker (00:47:23.559)

Yes. Oh my God. People believe, okay, listen, whatever you can think of, I met people who believe it with all their heart and soul.

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People believe their kids are in the Getty. I've watched people break down in tears over this.

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So I know they're not thinking, and I don't mean grifters. I mean, people giving them money.

Unknown Speaker (00:47:42.559)

Right, right, right. People who have been conned.

Unknown Speaker (00:47:45.559)

Yeah. You see, because I've only heard that ever from one weird guy on YouTube named Stephen Kelly, who believes that he has mental ninjas,

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or he calls them Jedi, who go down into the Getty to do battle with the demons and stuff down there.

Unknown Speaker (00:48:04.559)

I've never heard that being a more popular theory. I'm excited to hear that the Jedi are getting some help.

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Yeah. There's people here. I was at an illicit beachside baptism.

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So if you go to a conference, people who go to them for their jobs, they travel, they fly out somewhere, they're on their work dollar, they go out to the bar, they get really drunk, they go to a club or something.

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So at these events, the QAnon events, it's like that, but instead you go to extra baptisms all night.

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Yeah, super cool. I had a great time. So I was at an illicit beachside baptism with Greg Locke and this other guy, and we FaceTimed Lynn Wood.

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And out there is video of me on Lynn Wood's Telegram channel, in the crowd, chanting, we love you, Lynn. It's so embarrassing.

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And people were asking, we hung up, people were asking the guy at FaceTimed Wood, like, okay, so tell us all about Lynn. And people were like, does he know if Hillary's been executed?

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And it's like, oh.

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This is not an appropriate question for a baptism.

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Listen, it is important.

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It's not the time or place.

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We got to get rid of those demons.

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Did Lynn know?

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The answer was, we're leaving her for you.

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Wow.

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That answer in and of itself is so telling.

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I mean, it's like, I am going to, we want you to be able to let out your bloodlust.

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We're going to throw Hillary to you, the wolves.

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And that's populism when you think about it, really.

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It's good.

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Yeah.

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So you said you grew up evangelical and were libertarian.

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Yeah.

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How does this translate to what I presume is a pretty decently left set of beliefs now?

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So my mom was never religious and my dad was, so I kind of had like a foot in each world growing up.

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And then once I was, I begged, I begged to stop going to religious school and I finally got my way.

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I got to go to public school in eighth grade.

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And so I was able to start, I started that journey that people go through where you were like, I'm not denominational.

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I'm agnostic.

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There is no God.

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So I had that journey.

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And then, you know, my mom always voted for Democrats and my dad was a lifelong conservative and like many lifelong conservatives.

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That is his personality trait.

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That's his defining personality trait sometimes.

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And I like have interest in politics my whole life.

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And so obviously I was conservative too.

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And then I read a book by Larry Elder.

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Okay.

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That Larry Elder when I was 12 years old and he's a libertarian and I was like, oh, this book is great.

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I'm a libertarian too.

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I was 12.

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I was 12 years old.

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I'm not judging.

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I am.

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I can tell.

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I can tell.

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You're deeply troubled.

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Larry Elder said it making the news again.

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I'm like, God damn it.

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No, people are going to know who he is now when I say his name.

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But I like, I, so I was, I was very, I mean, I was like involved in the party.

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And when Michael Brown died in 2014, I was doing a lot of the protests.

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They were shutting down DC.

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And, you know, there weren't, there were a couple of libertarians, but not many.

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And then when Freddie Gray died here in Baltimore, obviously like much more local to me.

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I was like, there's literally no fucking libertarians here.

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And like, I'm like, isn't this our thing?

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Like, fuck the cops.

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That's the last libertarian personality of like anybody who's like, you know, in their

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twenties and is a libertarian.

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Like we should all be here.

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It's supposed to be.

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It's a non-aggression principle.

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You know, you can't have the, the state having the monopoly of force.

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Got to get out there.

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Got to stop those police.

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From hurting white people.

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Right.

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Right.

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Or from not protecting businesses and capital.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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That's very important.

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You know, if you can't protect my business in your cop uniform, you could put on your

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like oathkeeper gear and then protect my business.

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There's also that option.

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That would be state, that wouldn't be state monopoly of force.

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It's still good.

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You know, we still, we still like that.

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And then that was the thing too, is a lot of the people that I knew when I was a libertarian

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became keepers and probably isn't 3% is.

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And I mean, when, when Michael Brown was killed, I mean, that's where these militia groups

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really, I think made national news, probably for the first time.

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And I really remember, I mean, I remember them from before, but I don't remember them

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making use of the way they did when they were, you know, in St. Louis and Baltimore.

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So you, you had like some disillusionment then I'm guessing that that's what you're

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describing with the libertarian bend.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it was just, it was a joke.

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And then when Trump became, I mean, so I was like already like the time the transition

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election happened, I was like, absolutely, I'm done with this party.

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Like this, these people are insane and like, this is not, and there's, you weren't a Gary

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Johnson stan?

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I mean, look, in high school, I had like, um, like a libertarian sticker on my binder.

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So I'm not really wanting to be able to judge, but, and what is Aleppo is honestly, it's

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very embarrassing.

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It's a very embarrassing thing to say, but they're running for any office really.

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I think.

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Um, so I'm not a fan.

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I wasn't allowed to vote that year, so I would not have voted for Trump had I been allowed

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to vote.

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Um, and, and I, you know, I just behave more and more laughs.

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And then I was, you know, before the pandemic, I was, I think the last social activity I

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did was, um, campaign for Bernie Sanders.

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So I imagine that, uh, that like awareness or like connection with, uh, some of the libertarian

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ideas probably came in handy, uh, along the way.

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Oh yeah.

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I mean, I remember when I met, I was a fascist, was a former libertarian.

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That's, that's one of the things that I find really interesting is that like, um, who is

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it?

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Webster Tarpley, I believe wrote a piece about like, like around the time Trump was running

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about how libertarianism and like Ron Paul fandom was a like doorway to fascism basically.

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And I don't like him at all.

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He's a like former info Wars dude who is like, he's got a lot of problems himself, but I

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think he was fairly accurate on that one, that assessment.

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Yeah.

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I mean, like I've seen how people who had been, you know, staffers for, um, so yeah,

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it's bizarre.

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I, I'm always surprised when people don't know of the libertarian of fascism pipeline.

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So I'm like, have you ever paid attention to libertarians before?

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But you know, it is, I mean, just overwhelming and then I'm grateful that I, I know, I mean,

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there's some people who went left or who just, I think are like, they're like, oh, I'm a

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little L libertarian.

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And it's like, sure.

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Yeah.

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But you hear even like Nick Fuentes say stuff like that, like little L libertarian, like

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that, that, uh, that, that, uh, Dodge is that's on both sides there.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Um, one of the, um, the guy who, you know, this organization like recruited me, the one

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that they wanted me to meet from your embassy had worked for, I mean, it's like, yeah, it's

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yeah.

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Stuart Rhodes was a Ron Paul staffer too.

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Like there's, there's all kinds of tentacles coming out and so many, so many seeds planted

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by that weird family, the Paul family.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So you, you were, you were doing this over the course of the pandemic.

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Do you, I imagine, I don't know if this matches up with your, uh, experience, but I imagine

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things got worse over the course of the pandemic.

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Like more people gravitating towards these groups, more extreme stuff going on, angrier

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talk.

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So, yeah.

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So I started not in the beginning of the pandemic.

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Right.

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And I wish I had, I wish I had just said, fuck it.

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And then at the beginning, I sincerely regret not thinking to do it earlier, um, whatever.

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So I didn't get to see the like initial evolution, but things certainly got worse.

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People became more willing to be honest, I think about how they felt about stuff.

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The actual content became worse because, I mean, I was vaccinated in February of 2021

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and I was telling people if they asked or if somebody seemed, a lot of people are afraid

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of COVID, you know, they're very afraid of it.

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So I would like offer it as like, you know, like I'm probably a dead end.

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So if you're sitting next to me, it's probably fine.

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Um, and by may, I was like, well, can't do that anymore because at that point, you know,

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I was shedding my vaccine and making everybody zero, especially in the QAnon places.

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I'm sure it was very unwelcome to be vaccinated.

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I was in line to get a photo with General Flynn at the bar in May of 2021 and this mother

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daughter duo in front of me turned around and they did not say hello.

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The daughter just goes, I'm my mom's last chance for grandchildren.

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And her mom goes, yeah, her twin brother got vaccinated so we could keep going to college.

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And I was like, I'm Amanda, and that was the moment where I was like, okay, so nobody's

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ever going to know I vaccinated, I'm going to lie and deny it.

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My mom's last chance for grandchildren.

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That's, that's a concept a child shouldn't be dealing with at all.

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Well, we're in line to get a photo with General Flynn.

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It was wild.

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So there was that and then by the time I got COVID in July, because it had been, you know,

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like four or five months since I was fully vaccinated.

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I was not.

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I was, I, I knew I was, I knew I had it because I'd previously had it.

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And there's a certain feeling which I describe as like altitude sickness.

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It's the only way I've ever felt it.

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And I had that for like a day, I blew my nose a couple times and I couldn't taste anything

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and then I caught coffee, tasted like vomit for like two weeks.

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And that was it.

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However, I did not get COVID again and every event I went to, it was a super spreader event

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and people were dying at all times because they're just going to have to say that.

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And it's just like, when I was finally out, you know, I'm like, look, like, you know,

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you're, you're literally, your friends are dying and I had to drink cold brew for two

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weeks.

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Maybe.

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Wait, cold brew was fine, but coffee wasn't?

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Yeah.

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It had to be something about taking it to that temperature because even if, like, if

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I made hot coffee and let it sit out for like six hours, it was like vomit and old mouth.

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Very strange.

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Weird.

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I also would like to apologize that you're talking about people dying and the thing I

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got hung up on was cold brew being okay.

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It's really weird.

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Right?

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It's super strange.

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I ate a bunch of warheads because I could taste them, but then like, I would get like,

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you know, my mouth would hurt because I was eating a bunch of warheads, but it was a lot

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of complaints.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And then, so then they were like, oh, so we don't have COVID, you know, we're, we're,

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you're getting anthrax poisoned at all of these events.

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Sure.

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That makes sense.

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Cause it.

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So if you get the COVID vaccine, it's also an anthrax vaccine, I guess.

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And then you shed anthrax.

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Cause I'm like, why do you all have anthrax and I don't, is there something different

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between us?

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Yeah.

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Maybe it's spike protein anthrax.

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I have enjoyed watching sort of the gymnastics and the hurdles of, of trying to make sense

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of like the shifting landscape of the conspiracies.

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And I imagine being like there for it and having conversations with people about it

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would have been even more confusing.

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It's so bizarre.

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I mean, I was, I was like in maybe April or May, I was at some event and this woman was

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like, do you know how to make hydroxychloroquine?

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And I'm like, oh my God, she's going to tell me to drink bleach, she's going to tell me

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to drink bleach.

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Undoubtedly.

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That's what's coming next.

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And I'm like, no, you want to tell me?

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And she goes, you take a grapefruit and you peel it and put it in water and put it in

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your fridge for 30 days.

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I'm like, yes, that sounds really good.

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We should tell everybody here.

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It's fermented grape juice.

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It's that's going to have, so that's probably be full of bacteria and whatever, it's not

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bleach.

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I'll take that.

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I do.

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I do have sort of a begrudging respect for folk remedies that, that folk come up, people

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come up with.

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And when I say begrudging respect, I mean the creativity and optimism of it, not, not

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so much the, the trying it, the, the month old grapefruit in a fridge is a, yeah, that's,

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that's pretty sweet.

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That's that's, you have to be a dreamer for, for that to be something that you could tell

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someone else.

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Like, yeah, I mean, some of the things I heard just so bizarre, and then there'd be these

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weird times where it would be like, something like COVID doesn't even exist, but then that

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was a pretty rare opinion.

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I very rarely heard it, but when I heard it was always on the books, it would be like,

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I literally almost died of it.

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It's real.

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And they'd be like, but you could have just had the flu and they'd be like, well, I couldn't

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taste anything.

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And they'd be like, when your nose is stuck, you can't taste.

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And it's like a completely different experience, you know?

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And so like watching people like have little fights over like whether or not COVID is real

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was always kind of very bizarre.

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Yeah.

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It's like, it's kind of like a reality versus non-reality in a really micro scale of like,

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just these people as the sort of avatars of reality and not reality.

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And I'm guessing not reality generally wins.

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No, because almost everybody had COVID.

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I mean, people were very open and honest from the beginning that I had COVID, you know,

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or my mom died of COVID or, you know, my sister almost died of COVID.

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So I very rarely ran into COVID full on denial.

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You said that at first people were really open, did that change?

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Do people start?

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Oh, okay.

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And just being more and more common, more and more people got it.

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Did you run into many people who like, didn't like, I've noticed the thing and maybe it's

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just sort of through Project Camelot stuff, but like, there's people and David Icke too,

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I guess, but like people who are like, you know what, this whole thing has made me realize

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that science isn't real.

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Like there is no such thing as a virus.

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Do you ever do, do you run into any of those, those folk, those cool, cool folk?

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Not often.

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I think they were probably about as common as the full COVID denialist work.

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So not very, but I think that is like a pretty extreme opinion, even in the extremist group.

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So I could see if I believe that being a little uncomfortable to like bring it up.

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That's something, that's interesting.

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That's something that I hadn't really considered is the, like, there is probably a taboo on

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like some conspiracy ideas, even in these, these circles, like there is a point that's

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too far.

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Well, that's how JFK Jr. being alive used to be, and like one of the, one of the big,

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unbelievably boring influencers, Jordan Seathair, I mean, I saw him at the first Cubanon rally

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in 2019.

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And he was, you know, he literally did the exact same speech he gave when I saw him in

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2021.

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But he hates the JFK Jr. stuff.

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And it's just, you know, it's picked up more and more traction.

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And like when I was at, when I was in Dallas in May, I was with him, it was me and him

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and for the people.

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And we were like drinking and this car pulls up and this car is not infamous.

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I'm sure many of your listeners have seen this car, it's a red Mazda and it's got stickers

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all over it, the windshield, the windows, and the person who owns it ended up joining

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the, the Cubanon cult that would form in Dallas later on.

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And it's all JFK Jr. and Donald Trump, you know, and he was pissed.

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He was like, this is bullshit, this is, this makes us look bad.

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And I'm like, okay, not sure it looked great before, but okay.

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All the other stuff is, is so impressive and respectful and believable.

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And JFK Jr. is worried about a lot, but it is true that some of them do.

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And so I think that kind of stuff, I think it is now what JFK Jr. used to be.

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Yeah.

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I find like that, that example, or like that one seems like that makes a lot of sense because

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it's kind of like, this is undercutting our brand, you know, like this is, this is going

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to make it more difficult for me to get people into the revenue stream, like JFK Jr. is dead

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or is alive as it were.

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That makes sense.

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The virus doesn't exist.

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I guess that probably is maybe in the same, the same realm.

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They're like, I'm trying to spread medical conspiracies, but this one is, that's too

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much.

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Yeah.

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If the virus, if viruses don't exist, how am I supposed to solve my churn?

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Come on, man.

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That's a good point.

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You have all these chiropractors saying they're doctors.

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Well, that's, that's, that's a grift as old as time.

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Doctor Group, the piss doctor, he is a chiropractor as well.

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Well, and if science doesn't matter, then all of those doctor credentials don't matter.

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Then you gotta be like, no, I'm a chiropractor.

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I'm not a doctor.

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That's crazy.

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I'm just about keeping your spine in line.

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That's all, that's all we're doing here.

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That's bones, that's science.

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The being in some of these, these like worlds and these communities we're, we're coming

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up on the, the midterms and you were around in what I would say is a, a election heavy

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time to be embedded with these folks.

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What do you expect?

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We've had the last free and fair election this country to the extent that we've had

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them.

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Yeah.

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You're, you're convinced of that.

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Yeah.

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Um, so a lot of the stuff that I would go to would be like, um, you know, it starts

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off with, you know, dominion and it's problematic.

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They're evil, satanic, whatever, only God has dominion over us.

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That's why they called it that man.

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I literally, sometimes I'm just like, how do you come up with this?

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Um, so that's fine, but then it shifted to audit every single election.

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And not only that, but I mean, I remember like people being like, I don't understand

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what we would audit elections where we won and I like snapped with it.

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I was like, it's to undermine the entire electoral process so that we can say that we won everything.

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And people were like, right, exactly.

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Um, and you know, we would have, um, people come in and teach us like, okay, this is how

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I harassed my like fairly elected low level GOP, like county chair out of office so that

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I could take over.

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And here's how you can do it too.

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That's quite a workshop to offer.

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Oh, some of it was like, oh, I just followed her kids home from the school bus every day

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until she decided it wasn't worth the $8,000 a year that she got.

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What?

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Stalking?

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I stalked her children.

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Not without stalking.

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It's just walking.

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They rhyme.

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I know it's confusing.

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It just happened.

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It was a coincidence that I was constantly following her children.

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Yeah.

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Of course.

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That's pretty fucked up.

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And we have like allowed for that stuff to be like, I don't know how complex it is, but

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I mean, it's like, so like at that point, I mean, what's, what's the, what's the cure

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to that?

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Like how do you, how do you solve, you know, harassing a woman's children because she's,

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she's a rhino, you know, until she quits her job and it's like, maybe you do it through

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like a court system.

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But to know what we have, like a seven-year-old who has to go to court to point at, you know,

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a friend of Lynn Woods and be like, that's the man of all the people with the bus.

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And like, we're putting like democracy on the back of like a seven-year-old kid, like

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that's fucking crazy.

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Or, you know, like there's no, there's no intervention process and, and private lawsuits

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from Smartmatic and Dominion can only go so far.

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They can only target so many people that can't be, you know, at every jurisdiction, especially

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because a lot of these places didn't even use their voting machines.

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And so no one's offered a solution to combat this.

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So I don't really see how it gets better.

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And maybe they're, I mean, trying to think of a solution is probably, probably impossible.

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I mean, like, you know, the, like just the example you're giving, whether or not this

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happened exactly as it did, but you know, like the person following someone's kids home

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and then they quit their, their low level position, probably no one ever would hear

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about that.

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You know, like there, there are tons and tons of offices that are in local levels that like

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all kinds of nonsense could be happening around them.

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Yeah.

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And a lot of it is targeting school boards and district chair.

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And so obviously district chair, that position, whatever it's called, wherever people live,

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it's called different things or places, but like they are like the beginning, like stepping

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stone for like completely like not validating elections.

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And I've got, I'm looking for it somewhere around me, I have like a little booklet teaching

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me like, okay, if there's a rhino and you're at the position that you want, talk shit,

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you know, talk shit about them to everybody, show up to everything, you know, it's like

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a plan to beat them.

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And I mean, school boards too, we'll see what the school board elections.

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Last year in April, I was at an event and when Starbuck was a speaker and she's arriving

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propaganda, who's the wife of Robbie Starbuck, who's a congressional candidate, which is

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good.

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And she said, the Democrats want to teach your kids CRT because CRT makes children more

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susceptible to child sex trafficking and Democrats want to, you know, they want to sex track

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your kids and they want them to be in gay porn and, you know, all of this like absolute

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nonsense.

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And I was like, literally at the time I was like, what, this is, this makes so little

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sense that like nobody, but everybody was all in.

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And the whole thing was you have to run for school board and you have to stop this stuff.

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And so like watching, you know, what's anybody done about that, fucking nothing.

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Being exposed to that at that time, that like seems like complete nonsense, this is never

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going to stick.

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And then now here we are.

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That's probably a lesson that is very difficult to learn is that like stuff that sounds like

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it might be insane could be adopted by the entire GOP in six months.

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You never know.

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Yeah.

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I mean, like watching all the CRT stuff happen and all the school boards, I mean, it was,

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it was so well organized on the back end and, and I, I mean, we, I literally don't know.

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I made a spreadsheet of everybody, as many people who won elections in Virginia for school

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board that I could find.

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And it was really exhausting.

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Cause it took like hours of watching people debate cause I have like some quote on counting

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with like a couple thousand people and I'm like, but talk about CRTs.

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I had like watch on Facebook, their debates to figure out what people believe.

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And like a lot of people that want to Virginia are like CRT is evil.

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Some of them are like public schools are evil.

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And so is George Soros.

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And behind the people who were probably complaining just about CRT, just a little bit under the

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surface is public schools are evil, I'm George Soros.

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Yeah.

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Some of them say it publicly, most of all.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's that's a, that makes me think of like, if you go back to like some of the episodes

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from around when QAnon was coming around, I very famously was like, ah, this isn't a

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big deal.

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This is a, this is just some dumb thing that's happening on a message board.

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And like, I, I really, boy, I was wrong about that one that, uh, that seemed to me like

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there's no way this is going to like, people are going to buy into this.

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Yeah.

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It's so weird.

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It's, it's weird too.

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What sticks and what doesn't stick.

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I don't think it's, I don't think people can really predict that you have to see how people

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react before you're able to like, take an assessment because if you just go by what

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you hear, the conspiracy is we would never, yeah, we just discount everything.

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Yeah.

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Because they're all, I mean, they're just going progressively more out of the reality.

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Yeah.

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So you, you think, uh, you think we're going to have another, uh, another bad election.

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I hate to say I agree with you.

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Yeah.

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I 100%.

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I like, Oh man, I just, it's very frustrating too, to see all of these elected Democrats

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in Congress or whatever, saying stuff like, Oh, the GPP is just uneducated Lauren Bover.

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And it's like, are you like doing marketing for them?

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Is that what you're doing now?

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Because that's not the law.

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Yeah.

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It's, it's, it's unfortunate that the opposition party, as it were, does not seem to grasp

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the, the, the reality of, of the other side, what they're against.

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Yeah.

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And a lot of media.

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And I mean, this one you've talked about extensively over the years is like, I mean, they're essentially

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platforming stuff instead of like, really, uh, really, really dragging it, um, or combating

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what people are saying.

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And I, you think it'd get better because after January six, but it doesn't really seem to

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have gotten better.

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Like I would still refuse to hire people who would be like, Hey, that headline is a really

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bad headline.

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Here's why you shouldn't do that.

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Yeah.

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They just won't listen.

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Yeah.

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That headline is, is a trap that you're setting for yourself.

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It's fine.

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Who cares?

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No one's reading the article like changing the headline, right?

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Yeah.

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The news is the onion now put it all in the headline because people are just going to

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skim this.

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Yep.

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So when, uh, when, when you were, when you were like from, from your time hanging out

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with these folks, um, what, what do you think is the most troubling thing for you right

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now?

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Like what, what worries you the most looking back on, on your time and how things have

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developed since then and the things that you've seen, like what, what should people be aware

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of maybe that they're not paying enough attention to the rise of right-wing populism and like

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the under 30 or under 35 crowd, um, I think people don't really understand how, how impactful

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that probably is.

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Um, there's, I've seen stuff where like shortly after I was dropped, um, Josh Hawley gave

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a speech and then I was supposed to be at where he was like, Oh, like, uh, we need more

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masculinity in society or like whatever.

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And a lot of people on the left making fun of it, it's like, look at this guy, like,

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he's not exactly like a lumberjack.

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Like who's even talking about masculinity?

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And it's like, well, when he's talking about masculinity, he's talking about spiritual

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family roles, my man, being able to provide for his family and a woman like me, it's like

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that's what he's talking about.

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And it's like, I don't know how that went over the heads of so many people.

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Not talking about being the brawny man.

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Right.

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It's not like, yeah, you got to go to CrossFit more than, no, that's not what he's saying.

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Um, and I don't really understand how people are still missing that kind of stuff.

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Um, because, and those are points you're going to resonate with people who are not Republicans.

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Um, it's going to resonate with people who are like, yeah, I'm not working on a house,

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you know, like I want to have kids and I can't afford to have kids, like whatever, like that

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will resonate with people and we haven't done anything to prepare for combating that.

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The, the, the sort of right wing points of, um, making fair points, uh, with bad solutions

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kind of.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Um, cause you know, like, I mean for white people and they're number one and they also,

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you know, like what, I mean, traditional family roles, but it's just like the environment

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which this is all happening in their minds.

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Like, yeah, this is, yeah, it's not, it's not great.

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Some of the candidates, you know, they are like aligned with, um, are like very open.

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I mean there was, uh, Joe Kent in Washington state when I was at APU, part of his speech

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was like, uh, Joe Biden's like family planning bill or whatever doesn't go far enough.

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We should, you know, like we should get more money.

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Like why are we funding these wars?

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You know, we could be funding, you know, if you have a kid, you get money, whatever.

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Um, and that's just, there's no, no response from the left.

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That's that, uh, that is, that could be a problem.

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But you're, you're saying also like in the under thirties, that's, that's, that's a community

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that you think, uh, is, is, uh, turning to a right populism in a more troubling way?

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Yeah, I would say like under 35, maybe under 40.

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I mean, because like people are people, right?

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It's not like there's like some, you know, line of wealth going down.

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People who are Republican, like they're facing the exact same problems that we're facing

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at the same age in the lab where it's priced out of the housing market rent is 70% of your

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income, you know?

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Um, so, uh, it's same problems.

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Yeah.

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And then, and then the people who will speak to those problems are maybe people who have

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a darker agenda.

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Well, I hope that, uh, all of this doesn't combine into a terrible, uh, tornado of shit,

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uh, this year, uh, in the elections, the school boards, the, uh, the turn towards right-wing

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populism, the, uh, denial of election, the COVID stuff, it seems like a perfect storm.

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Yeah.

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Well, you know, God has dominion.

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That's true.

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And not dominion incorporated.

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So it's in his hands now.

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That's that is true.

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And now I believe it's time to pray.

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I think that's a, that's as good a point to, uh, to drop off at or to, to, to wrap this

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up.

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Uh, Amanda, thank you so much for, uh, for chatting with me.

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I'm sorry.

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It was a little bit all over the place, but, uh, how I am.

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Do you, do you have anything that you'd like to, uh, to plug, to, uh, to direct the folks

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towards?

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Um, you can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, or a Tik TOK at no turtle soup, 17, no turtles

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is 17.

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A Q a wink.

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Yeah.

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So no turtle soup is from that time that Alex was stripping on camera.

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Sure.

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And then told, Oh, and he would eat his turtle in a soup.

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That was a, that was a sober moment for him, for Alex.

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That was one of my favorite tired, tired.

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And then 17 is a Q and on reference, but it's, you know, very nice little blending of both

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worlds.

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Nice.

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Well, uh, it's been a delight.

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I'm sure we will.

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We will speak again in the future.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.