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Hey everybody!
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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
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I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes.
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I'd like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene, and talk a little bit about Alex
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Jones.
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Oh indeed we are.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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I have a quick question for you, sir.
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What's up?
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What's your Bright Spot today?
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My Bright Spot today is, we didn't have an episode on Wednesday, and part of the reason
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for that was on Tuesday I got my booster.
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Oh.
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I got boosted.
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Yeah.
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And I guess the Bright Spot is no real side effects to speak of.
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Pretty smooth.
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You said it.
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I had a little bit of a sore shoulder situation going on, but I was worried that there would
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be severe side effects, not because I'm vaccine skeptical or anything, but because I went
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to a Walgreens to get the booster, and I texted you about it, it seemed haunted.
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It's not good.
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Something was wrong.
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There was a bad vibe in this Walgreens.
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I went in, there were too few people.
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Wait, where was it?
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Walgreens.
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Which one?
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It was in Uptown.
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It was a little ways away.
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Are you kidding me?
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Yeah.
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That Walgreens hasn't been there for ten years, Dan.
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Oh no.
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Yeah, I couldn't get one close to me, so I had to make a little bit of a trip, but
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like yeah, there was like, there weren't enough people in there.
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I don't know what that means, but I definitely felt it.
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Shoppers, staff, everybody.
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There's just not enough.
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Not enough.
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Not enough.
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The lighting was wrong.
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I don't know how you can bring the wrong light at Walgreens.
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It's just bright.
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The area where they had people go to get the shot, the little back office room, looked
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like a holding cell.
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There's drips coming from the ceiling, one light's cutting in and out all the time.
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Yeah, like other Walgreens that I've been to in my life.
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I've been to pharmacies, you know, and I've seen the area where they have like consultations
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and stuff.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Or even CVS Minute Clinic.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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They kind of have an aesthetic that feels comforting.
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A little doctor's office-y.
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Not a lot, but enough to, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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This looked like a biohazard painting.
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So anyway, I was worried I was going to have some effects, and I didn't.
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You did.
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Everything was fine.
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Now I'm just worried you didn't get the right vaccine.
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I might not have.
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You're immune to malaria, that's for damn sure.
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And yeah, so what about you?
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My bright spot, Dan, is the teachers have gone to remote learning.
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My partner, of course, is a teacher in the CPS, and what's bright about that spot is
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that when they went to take a vote on whether or not to say fuck you to the administration,
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we're going to go remote and let the chips fall where they may, 88% voted yes.
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Strong.
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And that is bananas.
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Strong.
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For the teachers' union in Chicago, for 88% to agree on something means goddamn, everybody
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was like, this is fucked up.
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So I'm very, very proud of all of them for doing that, and nobody breaking the goddamn
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line.
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Hell yeah.
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Hell yeah.
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So yeah.
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So yeah, that's my bright spot.
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Congratulations.
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Yeah.
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So Jordan, hey, guess what, it's our anniversary.
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It is our anniversary.
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Five years?
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Yeah, that's right.
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That sounds about right.
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Entering year six, January 7th was the first episode of the show back in 2017, and so it's
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our boo-boo-boo anniversary.
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Combining that with the fact that we're recording this on the anniversary of January 6th.
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You know, we, was our first episode recorded on January 6th?
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Might have been the 5th.
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Might have been the 5th, but it could have been, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I'm not sure.
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I don't remember what, no, it had to have been, I think it had to have been the 6th.
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I think that I was very much, even from the beginning, like we have a quick turnaround.
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Yeah, exactly.
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It's kind of just the way I've always operated.
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Yeah.
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I think that means that the two most important things, what, no, I mean, there's the one
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that happened.
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That's an interesting take on it.
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Yes.
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Because it's better, probably, than the take that would be that we caused, we, we, uh,
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presaged the, there's a psychic connection between the two of them, perhaps.
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Um, so I, I kind of combined a bit of this in my, in my head and in my emotions.
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And I combined this with the fact that, you know, on our last episode, just Alex was trying
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to quit.
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Real fucked up.
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Just having a real bad time.
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Real rough.
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And I turned on the 5th, January 5th episode, and I started listening to it and he just
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shows up 14 minutes late and almost immediately has mic issues and decides he's got to go
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off air.
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That's perfect.
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And so I'm like, I'm fucking tired of this.
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What a perfect distillation of the show.
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I'm so tired of this shit.
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And so I decided we're going to go back to the past.
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So today we're in 2003.
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Okay.
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Now get this.
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What's that?
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We're going over the episode that played on, on July 11th, 2003.
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Okay.
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Right?
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Sure.
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But.
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When was it recorded?
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Jan, uh, July 8th, 2000, 2003.
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Three days difference?
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So I told you that we had skipped the 8th and the 9th in 2003 because the audio was
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unlistenable.
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The 11th is a rebroadcast of the 8th and it's listenable now.
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Get the fuck out of here.
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And I would just say, fuck it, they had their chance.
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But this is the episode where Paul Joseph Watson comes on, a very young Paul Joseph
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Watson, and he's promoting his book.
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And so I decided, let's give this a whirl.
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So anyway, it's our anniversary.
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This is for me.
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I don't give a shit.
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I'm going to present today.
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Yeah, I'm fine.
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I'm fine with that.
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I'm going back to the past and I figured that like, there's going to be something for the
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6th, you know, like something, there's going to be, Trump has his, uh, rally happening
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today.
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Sure.
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There's going to be something that is going to be wild and we'll cover that on Monday.
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I hope so.
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Yeah.
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I mean, wait, no, I hope not.
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What?
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Okay.
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For, oh, you know what?
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Let's just do today.
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All right.
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We'll get down to business on this, but first Jordan, let's take a little moment to say
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hello to some new wonks.
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Oh, that's a great idea.
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So first, Lydia and all her gay frogs.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thanks, Lydia.
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Thank you.
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Next, I am Alex's swollen neck.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next, this, this person was Ben, but the way they phrased it in the message was, uh, Ben
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if possible.
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And so that's, you're now a policy wonk, Ben if possible.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much, Ben if possible.
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Thank you.
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Next, Reba Martini.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thanks Reba.
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Thank you.
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Next, Sable the Chonk.
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Forever now a wonk.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you, Sable.
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Thank you.
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And Dr. Little Goat.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thanks, Dr. Little Goat.
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Thank you.
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I wonder where this little goat got that degree.
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I don't know.
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I don't know, but I want him to be my psychiatrist.
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Isn't that one of the names of the restaurants, the goat series of restaurants here in Chicago?
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There's like the girl and the goat.
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The girl and the goat.
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I think the little goat might be another one.
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Is it?
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I think there's a bunch.
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Good.
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There's a bunch of restaurants with goat in the name.
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The chef?
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The woman who does?
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Amazing.
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Amazing.
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So before we get down to business on today's episode, I wanted to quickly touch on a piece
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of news that was breaking since we recorded our last episode.
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On December 30th, a man named Thomas Apollo showed up at a clinic in Tustin, California
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and attacked people who were working there giving out vaccinations, accusing the people
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of being murderers and that they were making people sick.
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According to an article in the Washington Post, quote, families together said that the
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members sustained serious injuries and was sent to the hospital in an ambulance, but
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that both workers are expected to make a full recovery within a few days.
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Obviously, given the publicly available information, I can't sit here and tell you that this guy
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was a fan of Alex or that that was part of his inspiration, but honestly, I don't even
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think that that's an important aspect of the story for our purposes.
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An attack like this was inevitable given the extreme quality of the rhetoric that's flying
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around in the conspiracy and misinformation circles.
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You can't try and convince a large group of people that vaccinations are an intentional
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plot to kill their children and not think that some of them are going to take the next
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logical step and try to attack people providing vaccinations.
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Even Alex knew that, which is why he was building up this narrative in advance, as we saw last
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week.
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We've talked about this a hundred times in the course of doing this show, and it's clear
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why a person like Alex would behave this way.
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His entire career has been made off of profiting from tragedies, so I don't believe for a second
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that he's not rooting for tragedies to strike.
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At the same time, when tragedy does strike, it's good for business to make sure that the
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audience doesn't start to question whether or not the media they're digesting is part
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of what's driving these tragedies.
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Having a pre-built story in place so the audience blames someone else is critical, and that's
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why Alex is doing this kind of thing.
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I just want to take a little moment at the beginning here to point out this very clear
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dynamic, this cycle that's in play.
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And granted, Alex is talking about the bombing of a Pfizer building or something, which is
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a bit of a more extreme example, but I don't believe for a second Alex wouldn't say that
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this attack of, this assault of people at a vaccine clinic wasn't a false flag.
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No.
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It's exactly what he's priming his audience to deny is real.
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And that's of course why you use the example of blowing up the Pfizer building, because
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that's that sort of like hyperbolic straw man that is, well, see, you think that they
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would go blow up the Pfizer building, not just go fuck around with this place over here,
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which is more likely to be what they do.
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You go near home.
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And like the blowing up the Pfizer building, if that's your prediction of these are the
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terrorist attacks, then you kind of have everything less than that covered.
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Exactly.
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You don't have to be like, well, you didn't say that.
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Your prediction wasn't that extreme.
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Right, right, right.
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So yeah, I find this, I don't know, shitty.
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It's just the inevitable consequence of allowing this type of shit to fester.
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That's just what it is.
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So in the same way that we've just decided that this is how it is for so many different
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things, I guess this is just how it's going to be for conspiracy.
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I mean, it's one of the reasons why, you know, we talk about like why a lot of this rhetoric
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and these, these kinds of propaganda disseminating structures are dangerous, this is why, because
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these are the things that come from it.
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And thankfully, I mean, I hate to say this because it sounds minimizing and I don't mean
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it to, but thankfully no one died.
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And thankfully it was an assault, not like a shooting or a bombing.
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But it's still, these are the things that happen.
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So let's go back to 2003 because it's more pleasant.
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That is a great place to be.
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It's not all that pleasant though because Alex is going to have Paul on.
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Hello ladies and gentlemen, it is Tuesday, the 8th of July, 2003, big show for you lined
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up today.
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In the first hour, we have the webmaster of prisonplanet.com joining us.
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He's Paul Joseph Watson.
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He lives in the United Kingdom.
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He has a great head on his shoulders for analyzing the new world order and covering and posting
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pertinent facts and tracking their lies and doing daily flashbacks to show how they put
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out different propaganda almost on a daily basis now.
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We'll also talk about his upcoming book and no, we're not offering it yet.
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And yes, I'm publishing it.
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Order out of chaos.
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Talk about a powerful name.
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Well, it's a powerful book and it's lengthy.
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Hearing that clip, you know, it's announcement that Paul Joseph Watson books being released.
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I realized that I'd never actually read that book.
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I knew that he had it.
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I was aware it existed, but I never really felt any real interest to get down to it.
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I got the sense of what it was about, you know, from the title order out of chaos.
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Like I knew it was just going to be about the conspiracy idea of the Hegelian dialectic.
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So I decided in preparation here to give it a read, but ultimately it didn't bring up
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anything that Alex hasn't talked about on the show already.
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Everything is a false flag, but it's done by the elites in order to increase their power.
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You know the drill.
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Yeah.
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I thought that maybe it would be a good idea to discuss the specifics of the book, but
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I realized that about 10 pages into it, I had six pages of notes explaining the things
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that he got wrong.
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So it felt like this is too big of an undertaking for just a normal episode of our show.
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That's going to require a Reset Wars kind of situation.
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Yeah, maybe another day I'll record a 13 hour breakdown review of Paul's book, but that
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day is not today.
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Not today.
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Interesting fun fact though.
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This is the only book that appears to ever have been published by AEJ Productions, which
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of course stands for Alex Emmerich-Jones.
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Alex's own book, 9-11 Dissented to Tyranny, was published by a different company called
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the Progressive Press.
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This is a publisher that's put out a bunch of books written by Alex's buddy Webster Tarpley,
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but also books written by Henry Macau, a dude who is a staunch Holocaust denier and a dude
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who really just doesn't like the Jews at all.
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He recently wrote an article titled, quote, the riddle of antisemitism.
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Antisemitism is in quotes, by the way.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I would have expected scare quotes around that one.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And if you think it's not great, you're correct.
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Here's how it starts.
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Antisemitism is growing as the COVID scam is correctly identified with organized Jewry,
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Freemasonry and communism.
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I'm going to sap you right there.
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No one can justify genocide, but the stigma attached to this term is devious mind control.
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There's no but.
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There's no but.
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Antisemitism is legitimate resistance to the pernicious agenda of organized Jewry and Freemasonry,
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i.e. the New World Order.
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Bananas.
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Bananas.
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A little later, he drops this gem.
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Quote, most Jews and non-Jews are unaware that since antiquity, Jews consistently have
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been reviled for a good reason.
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Jews are in a state of willful denial.
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They don't realize that Judaism is governed by Kabbalah, which is Satanism.
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The existence of Judaism is to take God's place, destroy Christianity and dispossess
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non-Jews.
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So these are the ideas that he has expressed on a recent basis.
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But trust me, if you cruise around his website, you'll see that he's had this position his
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whole career.
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Yeah.
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The books were published alongside Alex's.
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He's also been friends with Leo Zagami for a bit, so that's fun.
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You know, it's not something that we talk about too often, but there is that element
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of genocidal rhetoric that always includes the like.
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And lest you worry that you can talk to them or even communicate with them, they don't
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even know.
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They can't even understand that they're working with the devil.
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So don't worry about it.
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Don't worry about communicating with them and asking them any questions, because they
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can't.
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Yeah, you're not going to be able to get to the bottom of this by investigating it or
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your experiences.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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No point in talking.
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No point in doing anything.
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Yep.
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Anyway, back to Paul's book.
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If you read the dedications, he includes this, quote, thanks to Alex Jones for awakening
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me to the new world order in publishing this book.
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Man, Paul can't even write the dedications to his book without lying.
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In a 2013 interview with Luke Rudowski from We Are Change, Paul said, quote, don't tell
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Alex, it was actually David Icke that woke me up.
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Liar.
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Wow.
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Paul didn't have an identity of his own back in 2003, so it's good practice to flatter
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the person who's willing to advance his career, because it certainly wasn't David Icke at
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that point.
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But by 2013, Paul's in a much more secure position.
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He can give it up to his real intellectual father figure, the turd in the punch bowl
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himself, David Icke.
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Yeah.
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That's something that I'm amazed that someone would admit openly.
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Honestly, I would prefer to have been woken up by Alex as opposed to David Icke.
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Well, we'll see if there's a third figure in play as we get through today's episode.
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All right.
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OK.
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So Paul's going to be coming up on the show, but there's another guest.
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We've got Kathryn Albrecht, the head of Caspian, coming on the show.
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He had her on a few weeks ago.
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We were talking about RFIDs before RFIDs were cool, as they say.
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The small, trackable microchips are going to go in all your clothes, all your razors,
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all your food cans and containers, everything.
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And we told you it was about a control grid to tax and trace you.
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Well now, Caspian, their organization has basically, I don't want to say hacked, but
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used software to get into internal areas of the big RFID consortium's website and got
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secret documents.
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And the RFID group admits they're accurate and are very angry, and they talk about how
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they want to, quote, manipulate, neutralize, pacify you, and get you to accept the cashless
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society control grid.
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I'm really curious about how this isn't hacking, whatever he's describing.
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Yeah.
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No, it sounds right.
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I don't, I have no idea.
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It's hacking.
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Sure.
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Well, in 2003, that's hacking.
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I'm really confused on the specifics of this.
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Alright, so Captain Crunch, when you use the slide whistle into the pay phone, alright,
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you can mimic the sounds and then you make calls for free.
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Oh, sure.
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Hacking.
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Right.
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Right.
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Phone freak.
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Phone freak.
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So, first of all, the notion of putting RFID chips in all your clothes to trace you is
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a fear that probably shouldn't be taken seriously.
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Is it conceivably possible with the technology?
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Probably, but what's more important is if it's a practical plan that any evil entity
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would go for.
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The hurdles to this kind of scheme would be gigantic, and some of them are pretty much
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insurmountable.
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Even if they knew what shirt you bought to trace you through, how would these folks know
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if you gave that shirt to someone else as a gift?
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What if they're trying to trace you but unfortunately put a chip in the pair of pants that you don't
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like that much or maybe you grew out of?
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These are just behavioral concerns, completely leaving aside the absurd technological problems
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of isolating individual signals that would be coming in if all people's clothes are tagged.
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No, you also tag the gift receipts, so that way if they return them or give them away,
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you have its contact tracing.
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Well, but then somebody's gotta figure out how to transfer the tag from the gift receipt
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before the person throws away the receipt.
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Right.
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Well, that's why you need a hacker.
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Yeah.
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In 2003 though, and the iPhone hasn't come out yet, so I would imagine that this sort
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of like, they're gonna track you through your clothes narrative, drop by the wayside once
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the iPhone showed up and gave a better- Isn't that so funny?
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Yeah.
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Isn't that really funny to go back and be like, hey guys, a few years later, you would
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beg them to track you.
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You will wait in line overnight for them to know exactly where you are at all times.
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Or like a couple years later, they probably felt so relieved, they didn't have to do this
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nonsensical, they're gonna track your shirts thing.
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Oh, thank God, it's all in one device.
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This is so much easier.
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What am I gonna do?
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Tell them about their shoes?
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Jesus Christ.
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So Catherine Albrecht is a radio host and a demagogue whose big claim to fame is like
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being on that RFID train real early, and apparently she coined the term spy chips.
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Ooh.
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Good for her.
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Which when I read that, I was like, I don't even recognize that as a popular term.
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I've never heard of it.
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Nope.
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Nope.
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It's called Operation Caspian, which sounds a lot better than what it stands for, which
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is Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering.
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This is a group that advocates that stores shouldn't have frequent shopper cards or
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loyalty programs, and then it kind of moonlights a bit by fighting off the RFID chip as the
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mark of the beast.
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I love this group.
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I do.
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Listen, I want more innocuous lunatics.
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None of this anti-vax stuff, anti-loyalty programs?
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I'll fucking join that group.
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I'm against it.
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I'm sure there's a way it could go bad.
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Maybe we haven't explored it too much enough to figure out the exact way it harms people.
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I'm down for it.
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I'm not giving Walgreens my phone number whenever they want me to get a cent off.
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Fuck that.
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Joke's on Walgreens.
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I still have an account in my old phone number.
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I'll see you in a row.
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So Alex is trying, I think that he has a bit of an ambivalence about some of the information
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that might have been gotten by these spy chip people because of the hacking issue.
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And so he talks about sort of good hacking and bad hacking.
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It's great what the technology people on the side of Liberty are able to do.
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It's like when Orrin Hatch came out and said, hack anybody's computer and destroy it if
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they download anything that's not authorized, video audio.
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Well folks just went to Hatch's website and found out that he had pirated software.
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He'd used pirated software to build his very fancy, expensive website.
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So there were thousands of dollars, just one piece of software that they'd stolen cost
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$400, a serious crime.
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And so the organization that went in and scanned his site and found out that they didn't have
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the proper serial numbers for the stuff had stolen it.
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Cornell calling for Hatch to be arrested, and I think it's a great idea.
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He's a gun grabbing, un-American liberal, and I'm sick of neo-cons like him.
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It doesn't feel like Alex really wants Hatch to be arrested for downloading things.
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That doesn't seem, I think he wants him to be arrested because he's a, he disagrees with
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Alex politically.
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I'm gonna go with piracy is not the, maybe it's just an excuse.
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Yeah, I get a feeling, yeah, that Alex wants to arrest political enemies, even back in
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2003.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Which is cool.
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I think it's a good idea to find any excuse to only attack your political enemies.
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I think that's awesome.
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Yeah, we should arrest this guy.
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He's a liberal.
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Yeah, exactly.
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What?
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Fine.
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So Alex has this tension back in 2003, and that is like, I'm on air, I'm talking totally
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interesting stuff.
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Sure.
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I am fascinating.
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Nonstop.
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But off air, me and my boys who are here in the studio, we have even more interesting
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and informative conversations.
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You know, I've said it so many times and it's true because you're calm, you're, you're happy,
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at least some of the time.
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During the breaks, we have discussions that are much more entertaining and interesting
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and informative than we have on the air.
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And it doesn't matter if I'm doing real talk radio on Saturdays with John Stapp Miller,
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or if I'm doing a show with Michael Trudeau, or if I'm just talking to Mark and Matt and
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Chris and people during the breaks, we were just trying to one up each other during the
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last three minute break with who bought the most fireworks and who had the best mortar
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shells and cannons before the BATF comes and gets me.
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That's what they call the big tubes you buy that, you know, shoot the professional fireworks.
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And I was bragging that I got a special deal because one of my friends runs a fireworks
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stand.
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So I got them at cost.
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But by the time we got off, I got done rattling off the different fireworks we had bought.
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I believe that Mark and Matt have defeated me.
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They, they actually got more fireworks than I did, but
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Talk about informative conversation.
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That's good shit.
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Yeah.
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They argued about who had cooler fireworks.
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I mean, who?
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This is quaint.
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I, I'm, I'm blown away by the stakes here.
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Right.
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But it's still a dumb show.
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Very, very.
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But, but it's, it, it has, it has this vibe of like, ah, we're having fun.
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Me and my buddies are talking about fireworks.
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Yeah.
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Not, not the fuck it, I quit every, all the time.
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It's weird.
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It's weird.
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It's weird to go right back to a more, I suppose, discreet past where three bros can just get
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together, complain about or, or compare fireworks in a, I don't know, a non metaphorical dick
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measuring contest.
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And also this is such a fun topic for them to be talking about because Alex's entire
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show is about like police oppression and all this police state nonsense.
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And it's illegal to have fireworks in Austin and no one cares.
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No one cares.
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The police don't oppress you with your fireworks and your cannons.
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You're just begging for them to oppress you for it, but no, it's, people turn a blind
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eye cause it's understood.
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Yeah.
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I mean, what are you going to do?
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People will blow stuff up on the front of the time.
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What are you going to do?
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It's fucking America.
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You're going to lose your hand.
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It's fine.
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It undercuts almost his entire sort of ideology or at least a large portion of it.
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And an unspoken agreement between power and a not so can't happen in, in Alex's world.
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Well, because they're looking for every opportunity to jam you up.
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Especially if it's your political ideology that is in need of being a jammed up.
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And if your political ideology involves combustible things, whether it's a gun or a fire one.
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Yeah.
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If they're so obsessed with taking away your guns, you'd think cannons would be a little
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bit up there.
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You'd think so.
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Yeah.
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Turns out.
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Nope.
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They're not.
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Okay.
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Anyway.
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Um, you know, Alex, I can relate to what he's about to get into here.
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Sometimes loses the fire, uh, for his job, you know, sometimes, uh, loses the fire.
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Can't, can't, uh, get enthusiastic about what he's doing.
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Sometimes I run into that.
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Sometimes I run into a wall where Alex keeps quitting his show and having outbursts.
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I lose the fire to talk about it.
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It's the same thing over and over again.
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It really can.
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Um, but Alex has a tried and true method for getting that fire back.
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And I, I kind of admire this, you know, sometimes I get tired.
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Sometimes I just for a few seconds, we'll lose the fire, the, the will and the desire
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to get on the radio and to do interviews morning, noon, and night, and to do my own syndicated
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show.
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And I sometimes lose the fire to make a new documentary film or I lose the fire in my
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belly to sit there for hours every night, reading news stories on the news wires.
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But I always get the fire back if I just turn on CNN or Fox, or if I listen to talk radio.
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And yesterday I went over to news talk, 1260 KWNX, the great affiliate that picks up my
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show here in Austin.
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And I drove over there, met with the great folks.
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We talked about the new world order.
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People share news stories with me, you know, I had a great discussions with them.
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Uh, and then I get back in my car and I'm listening to that station.
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I flip over to see what the other station's doing and stuck in traffic.
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I listened to 30 minutes of the host saying that every child needs vaccines.
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It should be illegal not to take vaccines.
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They should be forced to take all the new vaccines is on the other station and how wonderful
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the vaccines are and how there's all these conspiracy theorists that think vaccines are
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bad for you.
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And so I said, you know, I'm going to call into this station and of course everybody
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knows my voice and I can successfully call into some local stations if I call on and
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go, Oh yes, I'd like to talk to the host, please.
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You know, a lot of folks talk like this and get on the air.
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Yes.
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So whenever he loses the fire, he listens to other stations to get pissed off and then
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he calls in using a dumb voice.
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Man, the fire is just anger.
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That's so sad.
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Well, I think it's probably pretty obvious by this point, not really a revelation, just
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anger.
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Sure.
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Just anger.
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That's what you need to get the fire.
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You never, never nothing else.
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He needs to be poked by something.
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Sometimes people aren't poking him and so he needs to poke himself by slapping himself
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in the face.
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Like I got to get up for this.
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Get amped.
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Yeah.
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So he tries to call in doing this dumb voice, but sometimes it doesn't work because I can't
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believe it.
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Well, not because people are like, Hey, this is Alex.
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But sometimes it's just like call screeners don't want to put him on the air.
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Of course not.
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And this I think is a problem for the constitution and the call screening is what do you want
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to discuss?
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And I said, well, I want to talk about, um, and of course in the fake voice, well, cause
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they know it's me that I won't get on the air.
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Well, I'd like to discuss, um, bring up that he's saying there's no dangers of vaccines.
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It's admitted that SV 40, uh, in many of the vaccines, not just the polio vaccine, cancer
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causing virus.
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They admit it's caused all these new forms of cancer.
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This is admitted by major medical establishments, university of Chicago.
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He goes, what else?
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And I said, well, uh, I said, autism's up 2000% and some of it could be misdiagnosis
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or more diagnosis, but a lot of it is, has been proven to the additives of the vaccine.
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They've admitted that George Bush had the vaccine record sealed and try to sign an executive
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order and then passed a law that got repealed.
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By the way, I didn't tell him that part, uh, last year guarding the vaccine maker.
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So I said this to him and of course I had something cogent to say, and he said, Nope,
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I'm sorry.
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We're not gonna let you on the air.
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Why not?
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And he said, well, I just don't agree with what you're saying.
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And I said, but it doesn't matter if you agree, you know, doesn't matter if you agree with
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what I'm saying, sir, like chance dog.
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He said, Nope.
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And I said, so there's no free speech on this station.
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I understand I'm not talking about news talk, 1260 KWNX talking about this other station
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owned by the president's family, uh, the president from Austin.
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We'll just say that, but that by the way, just got sold a big conglomerate.
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They've always been totally new world order, neo con, you know, liberal stuff on the slide.
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They're owned by Democrats.
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So it's owned by Bush, right?
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But it's not cause it got sold to a conglomerate or what?
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Yeah.
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What are you talking about?
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If I'm this call screener, I'm not letting this dude on the air either.
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I, I appreciate many parts of this call screener.
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I appreciate how it's somehow a slimy call screener, which I did not know existed.
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Like a, like a Jafar of call screeners.
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These call screeners are on a power trip.
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I have many plans for my eventual screen calls.
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Sure.
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I'll let you on the air, but you must solve a riddle.
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Second, clearly the patience with which that call screener listened to Alex, both in and
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out of his accent, because I very strongly doubt he could keep it up for that consistent
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length of time.
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So that call screener definitely heard Alex drop it and then repeat it in the, in the
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voice.
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Yeah.
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Still managed to get through the whole thing.
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Well, even asked a follow up question.
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What else?
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Dumb, dumb.
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I have a spoiler for you.
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What's that?
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That call screener interaction didn't happen, or at least it certainly didn't happen like
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that.
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No.
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I will guarantee that.
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What else?
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But if I were, if I were a call screener and I were trying to run a professional program,
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I would not let somebody on the air who's just going to clearly try and derail things
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with nonsense conspiracies that we don't need to, we've gone over a hundred times.
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Yeah.
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No, of course.
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And that does sound like something you would say because you hate the constitution and
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the founding fathers who died for your right to go on any radio show whenever you want
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to say whatever you want.
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Right.
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That's what it's about.
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It's freedom of speech.
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First amendment, the number one amendment.
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Well, I think it's, I think it's really revealing that this is his understanding of the constitution
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and what free speech means that radio stations must let you on air.
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If Benjamin Franklin got to post his dumb shit in a newspaper under a fake ass name,
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I get to call into WNPP and say bullshit.
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But what if like they can only take six calls and your caller eight or whatever?
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I mean, I don't understand how that is even possible, right?
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So dumb.
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The second amendment was about abolishing time limits.
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So dumb.
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Yeah.
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But like he really means this.
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And so I say to him, I said, so there's no first amendment on your station.
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He goes, that's right.
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And slam the phone down.
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So I then get on the phone, all three or four people, including my wife, he wouldn't let
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any of them on every caller, but one.
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I mean, they probably took 15 calls, said it's bad.
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Everybody should be vaccinated.
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It's wrong.
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People are kooks.
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Couple of things.
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I'm going to guess that most of those four people didn't actually call in.
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Yeah.
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I'm going to go ahead and I'm going to throw that one in the pot.
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Yeah.
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Alex.
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They didn't let me on.
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I tried to call three times.
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Yeah.
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Second Alex saying they took 15 calls and one of them was like someone who was opposed
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to vaccines.
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So that kind of hurts his argument that they weren't letting anybody on.
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Wow, maybe they just had like, I'm not going to let someone on who's spouting bullshit.
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No, I'm not going to let somebody on who knows what they're talking about.
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I want somebody who's going to make those people look stupid.
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Sure.
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Free speech though.
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Yeah.
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Cool.
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First amendment.
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Very, very interesting.
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I would say that for somebody who loves the constitution is someone who would die for
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the constitution is a first amendment absolutist.
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He doesn't know shit about it.
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Well, I mean, just because he believes that that station, because it disagrees with them
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should be taken off the air forever by the federal government doesn't mean he doesn't
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believe in the first amendment, Dan.
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It's just outrageous.
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Yeah.
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So he was talking about vaccines a little bit there and that's certainly relevant to
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our time.
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Sure.
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Even going back to 2003, Alex has had a very strange position because he really desperately
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doesn't want to be seen as anti-vax as a whole because that's admittedly very dumb.
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Yeah.
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It's trying to say that, uh, like inoculation to things doesn't work is a really tough,
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uh, climb denying the actual science of vaccination is that's a game that Alex doesn't want to
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play.
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I mean, when your conversation goes like this, uh, vaccines don't work.
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Do you have polio?
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All right.
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So they work sometimes.
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And then you can't be all the anti-vax.
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Let's look at all of the numbers of diseases that have essentially been eradicated.
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Yeah.
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Let's go down the list.
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Well, okay, fine.
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Well, they worked back then.
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Right.
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Whatever.
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I guess that's one angle you could take, although it'd be tough to figure out what exactly is
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different.
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Um, and so the game that Alex likes to play is like, I would love it if vaccines were
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cool.
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I would love it.
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Totally.
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But evil people make them.
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Oh no!
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Right.
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Oh.
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And so they were produced properly by trustworthy organizations, not eugenics, obsessed Nazis,
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publicly funding extermination programs worldwide against the third world and being caught doing
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it to the vaccines, official government plans, Australian, US, Canadian, British to do this.
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We didn't have all the reports, the, the, the mercury and the microplasms and the cancer
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viruses and the weird hormones and the UN getting caught sterilizing women with a tetanus
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shot that had a hormone added.
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I mean, this is all admitted, but yeah, we have companies that can be trusted in four
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or five groups independently tested the vaccine lots and yes, vaccines can be a good thing.
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You can get yourself an immunity, but there's no substitute for being healthy.
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Boo.
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Yeah, I'm not talking about like these specific things that he's bringing up and rattling
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off because they're all things that we've discussed in the past and it's all nonsense.
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But I think that the crowning nonsense is this idea that there would ever be some kind
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of an organization that is trustworthy enough for Alex.
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Totally.
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They're like, oh yeah, the vaccine, dude, they're, they're great.
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You know, like, Hey, look, all of the, all of these other companies and scientists and
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uh, public health, uh, non-governmental organizations, they're all fucking eugenicists trying to
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kill everybody off.
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But this one.
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They're the good guys.
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Nailed it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Absolutely.
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No, it's such a, what we need is a Patriot vaccine maker, such a fucking trap because
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here's the, here's how exhausted you get with them.
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And that's why they win.
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That's why they've won for the past 30 years or 40 years is they will say anything and
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then you go, okay, fine, fine.
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What does it take for you to just shut up?
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Okay.
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You want to do if you're your organization, fine, you give us rules and we'll fucking
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do them.
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Just shut up.
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Well, I need my dad to run Pfizer and then you're like, well, what the fuck is this shit?
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You're just never going to shut up, are you?
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I've already agreed to do whatever it was to tell you to shut up and now you won't shut
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up.
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What the fuck am I supposed to do?
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My dad needs to be in charge of Pfizer.
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He was a dentist.
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There's no way to make you shut up.
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There's no way to make you shut up.
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He was a dentist.
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God damn it.
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That means he can run out of the vaccine company.
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That doesn't make any sense.
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All right.
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So we're going to put him in charge.
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All right, fine.
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Second in command, Mike Adams, the health ranger, of course.
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Well, obviously he was our second pick too.
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He gives a lot of great advice.
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Yep.
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Third.
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Of course.
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Let's get a weirdo.
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Let's get a real weirdo.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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No rules.
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Just a real weirdo.
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Everybody votes on the weirdest weirdo we can find.
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That's number three.
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Who's nuts?
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He's in the elected position every four years.
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Let's see.
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I don't know.
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Lord Moncton.
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Yeah, get him in there.
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He's a climate change denier, but he's strange.
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Fine.
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Yeah.
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Sweet.
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Just shut up.
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So the problem that Alex has really is that the globalists, they're trying to make more
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and more vaccines mandatory.
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And we've got a government that's trying to make dozens of new ones every year mandatory.
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In fact, there was an article last week about how they want now a whole new class of shots
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to be given.
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They're talking about making an anti-smoking vaccine mandatory.
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They were talking about making an Alzheimer's vaccine mandatory if they could get approval.
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Then it killed a bunch of the people that took it, so they backed off.
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There was an Alzheimer's vaccine candidate that was in trials in 2003, which unfortunately
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did cause some serious side effects, and the trials were abandoned.
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I say unfortunately because follow-up studies of people in those trials found that it, quote,
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halted and even reversed the brain disease in some who got the shots.
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Obviously, there are severe side effects, and if, you know, that's the case like it
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was in this case with 18 out of 300 patients getting brain inflammation, it may not be
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something that you can justify going any further with, but the idea that there was some promise
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for a cure there was really exciting.
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Anybody who's had a loved one with Alzheimer's could tell you that it's a pretty hellish prospect
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or it can be, and a vaccine would be huge.
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The lessons learned from these trials informed further research, and it's still ongoing with
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a new trial beginning in late 2021 for a nasally-administered vaccine that looks to slow the progression
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of the disease.
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There's, you know, there's prospects.
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There's things that are happening.
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It's very exciting.
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Sure.
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There have been nicotine vaccines that have been developed, but a 2008 article in the
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journal Expert Opinion on Biological Therapy, it discusses the state of these vaccines,
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and it found that, quote, although these therapies have had some success, relapse within a year
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is still high.
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So it's not really a strategy that people think is like, this is where we're gonna go.
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I think one of the big problems that we have with vaccinations is that, like, easy slip
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into like, oh, these are mandatory vaccinations.
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The way we should sell it to people is with like, hey, guess what?
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We're gonna eradicate a disease this year.
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I don't even think you need to go down this path of conversation because, like, first
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of all, there's not anybody who was a serious voice in 2003 advocating that either of these
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vaccines be mandatory for people to take.
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That's just not a position that happened.
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Of course not.
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That's a fake point Alex is creating to argue against because these specifics help him bolster
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this idea that every year dozens more vaccines become mandatory, which is nonsense.
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Right.
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And I don't think we should make them mandatory.
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I think we should all come together and eradicate the disease together.
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I think if that framing is what you want to use, that's great, but also you need to know
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that the federal government doesn't require any vaccines.
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That's a state-level issue, which is why the ability for people to get various exemptions
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for things like school-related vaccines, it varies wildly from state to state.
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The federal government and all the entities like the CDC, they just have historically
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given recommendations on what people should be getting, and then if states want to require
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you to get a measles shot to be allowed to go to school, then that's up to the state.
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This is all a load of bullshit that Alex is throwing out in order to intellectualize his
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anti-vax position.
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Crazy.
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Now, the idea with what Biden's doing with the vaccine mandate is slightly different
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in the current day, but I don't think that you can make an analogy between some of these
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things like measles or like mumps and rubella shots that some states require for people
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to go to school and an active pandemic.
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There's a little difference.
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I think that there are relevant differences there.
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But what Alex is complaining about in 2003, this notion that the government is trying
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to make vaccines mandatory, that exists on a state level.
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And based on Alex's politics, he should have no problem with that, even if he's opposed
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to these vaccines, because the states get to choose these things, and if you don't like
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it, you can move to another state.
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I'm not saying that that's a good answer to things, but based on Alex's politics and his
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positions on other things, that's what he should believe.
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It's almost like this whole separation between federal and state government is kind of arbitrary
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based upon whatever it is he feels like his position should be at any given point in time.
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You bet.
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Yeah.
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And also, he has to pretend that it's not a state thing.
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He has to pretend that it's the man and the federal government is trying to force you
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to get these shots because otherwise his argument falls apart.
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That's just so unfair.
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That's unfair.
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You have to, look, if a mandate happens, you get to play that card.
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You can't just play a joker.
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That's not fair.
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There's gotta be rules to the game.
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You can't just make up it's a federal thing.
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That's unfair.
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I don't like it.
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Well, that's what happens when you deal with liars.
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Yeah.
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So Paul, Joseph Watson, P.J.
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Dubs.
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Is he gonna be heavily edited?
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The apostle Paul shows up.
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Oh no.
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No, he's not heavily edited, because this is 2003, and this guy's not ready for prime
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time yet.
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He has not figured out his thing.
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But Alex gives him quite a long introduction that I think is really dumb.
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Now, Paul Joseph Watson, I became aware of his work a couple years ago when he started
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propaganda matrix dot com, and I don't work with a lot of people because a lot of folks
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get off into conspiracy theories, things they can't prove, they're leftward leaning, they're
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rightward leaning, they're not constitutionalist.
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Alright.
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Go fuck yourself.
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I don't work with many people because they're conspiracy theorists.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, get the fuck out of here.
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Boo.
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Also, you don't work with people because they're not constitutionalist, but you work with Paul.
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He's British!
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's because he loves the Constitution so much.
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Alex has already revealed he doesn't know what the first amendment is, and now he's
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talking about a constitutionalist who lives in England.
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Yeah, it's the best place to be a constitutionalist.
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Deal with the British issues, Paul.
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Come on.
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They don't even have a constitution.
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Alright, whatever.
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So anyway, Paul, the intro goes on.
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Most Americans now have heard the government carried out 9-1-1.
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Many Americans have investigated it and found out that it is in fact the truth.
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And just like Galileo was a kook for saying the world was round, just a decade later after
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his death, people, most people knew that it was round and you were a kook to say it was
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flat.
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So joining us is another radical, a man who believes the world is round and believes the
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sun comes up in the morning and believes government is corrupt and needs to be watched and contained,
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Paul Joseph Watson.
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Paul, thanks for joining us from the United Kingdom.
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Hello, Alex.
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Great to be on the air today.
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You bet.
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You like that introduction?
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Yeah, very good.
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Well, it's an accurate introduction, my friend.
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So you better watch what I say.
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No, you're doing a great job.
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Hey, today on the show we've got British Galileo.
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You like that introduction?
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You like that one?
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Give me compliments for complimenting you.
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Yeah, I nailed that, right?
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I was so good.
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So awesome at introducing things.
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I was amazing at introducing you.
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I'm so good at it.
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So earlier when we were discussing the dedications of Paul's book, I mentioned that he's given
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two different stories about who woke him up at different points in his career.
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Now in this interview, he might have another third.
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I teased this.
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He has a third individual.
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All right.
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Paul, tell us about briefly how you woke up at the New World Order.
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Galileo.
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Why you started your website, what we do at Prison Planet, then let's talk about the news
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coming out in England and the death camps, the national ID cards, the gun confiscation,
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and what's developing with the police state there.
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And then I want to get into the weapons of mass destruction and 9-1-1.
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But first off, what woke up?
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To be clear, we'll just answer this question first.
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They do not get into death camps in England.
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I was going to say, did Blair oversee death camps that I wasn't aware of at the time?
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They do not come back to that at all.
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I was very curious.
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That needs to be addressed.
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Yeah, that doesn't happen.
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What turned the light bulb on in Paul Joseph Watson's brain?
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Well, this ties into something you were discussing just a few minutes ago, actually.
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The idea of paradigm management or paradigm control.
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Basically I woke up to the New World Order by realising that both left and right were
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controlled because originally I got into politics in the first place through the liberal channel
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basically.
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Then I started to read some books which proved that both the left and the right were controlled,
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especially in relation to the biggest example that we can provide, which is the Cold War.
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Obviously we know the work of Anthony Sutton, who's done a great job, now deceased sadly,
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but he did a great job in exposing the fact that the communists were actually funded from
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New York by the capitalist.
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So part of the thing that woke up, Paul, was the realisation that the left and the right
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are funded by the same folks, and that comes from him reading the work of Anthony Sutton.
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He has worked generously.
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Sutton is most known for writing three books known as the Wall Street Trilogy.
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Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution is about Wall Street funding communism, Wall
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Street and FDR is about funding FDR, and Wall Street and the rise of Hitler is about funding
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of the Nazi party.
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Though exciting and full of insinuation and rumour, these books have been absolutely trashed
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by historians who have reviewed them, with one summing up the Bolshevik book this way.
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Quote, he tells us nothing new.
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He does repeat unsubstantiated allegations, cite irrelevant facts, make unwarranted conclusions,
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and record it all in an appallingly pedestrian style.
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Ouch!
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Ouch!
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Yeah, a little snippy at the end.
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I had to throw that appalling in there, ooh!
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None of the three sources that Paul has cited as being the source of his awakening are in
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any way respectable.
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David Icke is a lunatic, Alex is a narcissistic liar, and Anthony Sutton's work is critically
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flawed and boils down to unconfirmed conspiracy nonsense.
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So I just think, this is bad.
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I mean, it doesn't get more Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, though.
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That's a pretty solid trinity right there.
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So that would make, oh, this is bad, though.
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Who's the father?
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I'm gonna go with David Icke.
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Yeah, Icke.
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The son is Alex, and then the Holy Ghost is Sutton, because I assume he's dead.
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Yeah, Sutton, well, Paul just said he's dead.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So there we go.
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Yeah.
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Alright.
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Yeah, Alex would probably buck at the idea of being the son.
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Oh, come on!
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He doesn't seem to be Jesus in this situation.
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But he'd be the son to David Icke's father?
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Oh, the turd in the punch bowl.
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At this point.
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It does make sense for him to be the son of a turd.
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But it also, it's interesting to me, I wonder if in 2003, if Alex had that same negative
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opinion of David Icke.
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Because I know that by, you know, periods around like 2009, 2010, he was having David
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Icke on.
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Yeah.
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A bit.
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Yeah.
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And they had sort of had some sort of detente.
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Right.
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And I think that's tough because, you know, as a bipolar person, I like to keep a mood
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tracker to know if I'm going out of whack, you know?
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And Alex has that relationship with David Icke, I feel like, on a day-to-day basis.
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It's like, like him, don't like him.
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He's an eight today.
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And he's a two.
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You know what I'm saying?
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How far have things gone afield?
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Exactly.
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It depends on what your opinion of David Icke is.
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Day-to-day.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So Paul has a little bit of a primary source to bring up about this idea that all people
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are controlled by the same parties.
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All right.
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And I've got, just recently found an article, which hasn't been online or anywhere that
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I've seen, and it's way back in 1959, and it's from the Wisconsin Daily Journal.
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And the title of the article is Kozlov Leaving California for Chilly Detroit.
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And it's an Associated Press article, and it goes on to explain how Kozlov, Romanovich
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Kozlov, who was Khrushchev's right-hander man, was invited in 1959 to Bohemian Grove.
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Obviously, your listeners are well aware of Bohemian Grove.
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And the quote in this Associated Press article is that he was wined and dined by the capitalist.
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And then, Kozlov actually stated that, into the first day of his trip, saying, business
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will be good, is the quote.
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And he was obviously discussing this with the capitalists.
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So we have Khrushchev's right-hand man at the height of the Cold War meeting with New
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York bankers at Bohemian Grove.
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So it is true that Kozlov was at Bohemian Grove in 1959, but here's the question we
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really need to be asking ourselves.
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If newspapers were reporting on the fact that a Russian guy was a guest at Bohemian Grove
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in 1959, how secret was this whole thing, really?
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Did Alex really do anything to expose the Grove to the world, or was it something people
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reported on freely like 20 years before he was even born?
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You can find an article from 1959, even in the New York Times, about Kozlov's visit to
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the Grove, which, according to Alex's mythology, should absolutely have never happened.
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They were trying to keep his shit under wraps.
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No, they made a mistake this one time, and then 40 years went by and nobody knew.
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They were desperately trying to pretend it didn't exist.
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Never happened.
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It didn't.
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So a little-known fact to folks who listen to Alex Jones, actually the land that Bohemian
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Grove sits on was originally part of a Russian colony that dated back to 1812.
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No!
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Sorry.
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Fishermen had attempted to form a foothold in America, the Russians, and they had formed
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a colony.
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It was a huge bust, though, as competition from other colonists led to the decimation
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of sea otter populations, and the Russians ended up withdrawing in 1841, selling off
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the land to Johann Augustus Sutter.
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Sutter would go on to find gold on the land and strike it rich.
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Oh my god, those dumb Russians.
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So the Grove is on part of this land, and one of the big tip-offs to this is that the
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river that's there is actually called the Russian River.
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The Times article about this even includes the lyrics of a song that they sing at the
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Grove called Lament, and here's some of the lyrics.
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Quote, why did the Russians leave it and go back to the snow?
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Why did they leave this bit of heaven we'll never, never know?
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This New York Times article has lyrics of things that they sing at the Grove, like there's
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some inside shit in this article.
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Newspapers used to be more fun.
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But the access that's clear, this is written by somebody who was there.
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You're telling me sea shanties from the Bohemian Grove, yes, I get it, this is silly.
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In 1959 there was this article that's a pretty in-depth discussion of stuff that had gone
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on there, which completely runs counter to Alex's idea that people would have to look
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in with binoculars in order to see the ruins.
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There were still like five or six more years before Nixon would show up and get a handy,
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so it's still not secret yet, that's the thing.
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Anyway, look, the conflict between the US and the Soviet Union, particularly in times
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around 1959, was one that we needed diplomacy to handle.
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They were our enemies on some level, but there wasn't a state of outright hostilities.
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So the idea that a politician like Kozlov would be on a diplomatic visit to the United
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States, which he was, and while he was here he'd be invited to the Grove, none of that
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seems weird at all.
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I guess for Paul, though, it serves as proof that the US and the Soviet Union were just
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faking the Cold War.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait, so what's, wait, I don't understand, what's diplomacy?
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You get like the person that you're in competition with or even at war with and you like talk
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to them?
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I thought war was about totally eliminating the existence of your enemy, Dan.
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It's mostly about screaming.
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Oh, okay.
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Well, that's better.
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I think that's one of the things we've learned from Alex over the years.
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That sounds about right.
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Yeah, and I mean, you can even find in the Department of State, their foreign relations
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journal, you can find like a long transcription of a conversation that Kozlov and Eisenhower
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had.
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Yeah.
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And it's just, I mean, it's diplomatic.
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How you guys been?
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Doing good.
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Yeah.
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You go fishing a lot.
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It's a great song.
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The grove people sing and it's depressing.
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It's great.
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It's all about how you guys are fools.
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We miss you, but also we've got your gold.
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In that New York Times article, there's also like a conversation about how he was very
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impressed by the vineyards in California, but also thought that the Russians could teach
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them how to be more productive.
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Great.
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Which is ironic because he ended up being thrown out of office for being a drunk later
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on and then Brezhnev took over.
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See, again, that's why you got to be like Alex and be your own boss.
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Right.
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Yeah, you can't have the...
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You think Putin's getting thrown out for being a drunk?
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No, sir.
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Uh-uh.
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So, Alex gets into some conversation about this left and right thing, and I honestly
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think that this is a short clip, but it's one of the most revealing things in order
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to understand Alex's politics.
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When then conservatives see liberals against a war, they know the liberals are bad, so
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they think, oh, the war must be good.
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Again, that's how paradigm management works.
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When actually Bill Clinton wanted to go into Iraq, Bill Clinton went into Serbia.
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Bill Clinton went into all these countries too, but they were for it then, weren't they?
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Who's they?
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I mean, there were plenty of people on the left who were opposed to wars under Bush as
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they were under Clinton.
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Name one American war that the American left has stood up against and like name one, like
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what?
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Vietnam?
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No.
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Well, we'll get into...
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Korea?
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Definitely not.
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We'll get into some ideas about the opposition to the Vietnam War a little later.
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Desert Storm?
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Never.
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I think that Alex is trying to play games here with the appearance that like under Clinton,
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the left didn't oppose the war.
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And maybe some people in office didn't.
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Maybe some of them fell in line, but in terms of anti-war activists, people who, you know,
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they had the same position.
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Yeah, it's unusual to see fascists on the picket line trying to stop wars.
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Yeah.
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So also, in that clip, I think you see one of the most universal hallmarks of Alex's
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politics.
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He sincerely believes that everyone makes decisions on what to support or oppose based
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on what the people they're against think.
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If my villains are in favor of something, it must be bad, so I'm against it.
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If my villains oppose something, it must be good, so I'm all about it.
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Alex believes that other people think this way because that's how he thinks.
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The difference for him is that the enemy he has is completely imaginary and their preferences
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are just things that he's decided he's decoded from reading headlines.
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Through using his psychic intuition, Alex has figured out what the globalists are in
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favor of and this is what he opposes.
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Everything for him is based on this kind of thinking.
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The globalists want people to be vaccinated, therefore there must be a conspiracy involved
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and vaccinations are evil.
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The globalists are interested in conservation efforts and worried about climate change,
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therefore that must be a conspiracy to further some other nefarious aim.
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I was thinking about it and even his support of gun rights could be seen through this prism.
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There isn't anything intrinsic about owning a gun that Alex supports.
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His staunch gun rights position is rooted in a belief that disarming the population
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is part of the plan that the globalists have to take over and institute martial law all
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over the world.
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They have a one-world government.
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The only way to fight back against that plan that is totally 100% real is for everyone
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in the world to be armed.
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But let's imagine the inverse.
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What if the prevailing attitude among politicians that Alex didn't like was that everyone
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should have a gun?
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It's pretty easy to see how Alex could spin that form of support of gun rights as being
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conspiracy to get everyone armed so the population kills each other off or triggers mass violence.
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If the globalists supported gun rights, then the only way to try and subvert their agenda
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would be to be in favor of draconian gun restrictions so you don't make their evil plans come to
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pass.
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Well, I mean, you don't want Antifa getting guns, the 100% real group that is going to
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attack and kill all Republicans if they have guns.
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So you have to be for some measure of gun control there, right?
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I think so.
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Yeah.
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I think that if you really wanted to get down to it, almost every bit of Alex's belief system
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runs at least through this filter, and it's very fucked up.
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When you base your principles on doing the opposite of what you think your enemy is doing,
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nothing you believe in really means anything.
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And my point is that nothing Alex believes means anything.
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Even his religious convictions could be seen as him trying to do the opposite of what he
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imagines his enemies want.
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He pretends that he's fighting literal demons who want to destroy Christianity, so being
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the opposite of that would basically just being a cartoonish version of a religious
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person that he presents himself to be on air.
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Yeah.
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Almost everything could just be oppositional.
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Yeah, it could just be he has a massive dose of oppositional defiance disorder that has
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combined with his narcissistic tendencies to create a human devoid of originality.
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But it's the oppositional defiance that's targeted specifically at imaginary positions
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that he's ascribed to his imaginary enemies.
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Right.
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And narcissism.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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I guess so.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's kind of interesting.
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It is.
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It's a little bit like he's created a black hole of personality that just absorbs whatever
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comes near him.
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But it also seems like a really efficient way to torture yourself.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Bummer.
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So anyway, they go to some calls.
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Calls with Paul.
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Paul calls.
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And here's one of them.
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Peter in Florida.
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Peter, you're on the air.
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Go ahead.
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Yeah, hi, Alex.
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Thank you.
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In line with what we're talking about right now, I found something on the Hegelian dialectic.
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It's interesting.
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It says, at about the same time that Hegel was passing from the scene, Karl Marx caught
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the revolutionary fever.
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He drew heavily from Hegel the dialectic and pure materialism.
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He picked up where the other philosophers left the discussion, but with a twist.
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He scornfully stated, the philosophers have only interpreted the world in different ways.
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The point, however, is to change the world, was to become the warp and wolf of Marxism.
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In the Marxist interpretation of reality, God had to be abandoned.
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Alone in the universe, man was to fill the vacuum left by religion and materialism.
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Yeah, the communists basically were just the front for the bankers to con the people back
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into feudalism and serfdom.
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They hung a label of liberation on it, and then funded it, and then conned the masses.
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Okay.
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So this caller is reading from a blog post from 2000, written by a person identifying
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themselves as a San Diego police detective named Philip Wart.
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It is possible that this is a real attribution, because I can find multiple news articles
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about cases involving a detective in San Diego by that name, but even if that's the case,
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this isn't an article that you should be citing to make any actual points.
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So I found the blog post, and it's actually a screed against community policing, and how
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that's just a Marxist conspiracy.
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If you read through it, it seems like a really significant problem that this police detective
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has is that people are raising questions about whether or not the mode of policing that's
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become the norm in America was sufficiently sensitive to the concerns of diverse communities
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that they're supposed to be policing.
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What, am I not supposed to put my boot on your throne?
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What do you fucking want now?
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Yeah, honestly, it just seems like- That's my San Diego accent, by the way.
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Not bad.
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Yeah, this just seems like a dude who's really pissed off that the concerns of white Christian
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men aren't the only factor that matters, and that means that he must have uncovered a communist
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plot.
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Yeah.
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That's basically the long and short of that article.
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I mean, if a detective walking a San Diego beat doesn't discover a communist plot, I'm
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shocked, because that is communism city over there.
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I've been to San Diego, I've walked communism everywhere.
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San Diego, chargers, chargers, charging credit cards, credit cards, centralization of money,
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trying to get rid of the physical dollar, electronic currency, communism.
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RFID.
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Right.
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We're there.
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Exactly.
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So apparently, I don't know, there's a lot of things that you could probably say are
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communist in nature.
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This is a little bit of a swing here, I think, though.
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I mean, you were talking about the firework ban earlier, which is, again, sort of a communist
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sort of law, you know, big government.
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And we might hurt somebody, we gotta ban it.
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Oh, we gotta have a satellite tracker box in your car if it saves one child.
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Yeah.
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So yeah, fireworks bans are communist.
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What isn't communist?
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I would like a fucking list.
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I mean, well, for them, everything.
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I want them to sit down and give me what isn't communist.
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Yeah.
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So one thing that apparently is communist, according to, I mean, I can't tell you what
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isn't, honestly.
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I mean, again, no, I'm struggling.
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But according to this interview, one of the things that is, is acceptance of homosexuality.
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Oh, damn it!
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A major point for this is the moral decline of society.
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You can go to the 45 goals of communism and find, and this was entered into the congressional
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record, and then number 25 actually states that present homosexuality, degeneracy, and
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promiscuity as normal, natural, and healthy.
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That goes back to UNESCO saying the families of disease terminated, but it's okay to say
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heterosexuals are a disease and should be terminated and call us breeders.
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So this is being presented as if it's something that has any credibility, but in reality,
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if you go find out where this list of 45 communist goals was read into the congressional record,
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you'll find that it was representative Herlong from Florida, and the comments are introduced
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this way.
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Quote, Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of DeLand, Florida is an ardent and articulate
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opponent of communism, and until recently published the DeLand Courier, which she dedicated
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to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.
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At Ms. Nordman's request, I include into the record, under unanimous consent, the following
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current communist goals, which she identified as an excerpt from The Naked Communist by
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Cleon Skousen.
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In 1963, some woman in Florida sent a representative a passage from Skousen's bullshit, and he
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read it into the congressional record, so now we're expected to take it seriously.
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Gotta.
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I'm not gonna play that game.
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So along with the rank homophobia Paul is expressing in this list, there are some weird
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things that exist in Skousen's list that I'm curious about.
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Number 18 is quote, gain control of all student newspapers, which seems like a dumb goal.
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No, you gotta.
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I was involved with my campus paper in college and I didn't even take that publication seriously
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and didn't at the time.
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Gain control.
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We must occupy the student newspapers of all the colleges across this land!
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It seems like a waste of communist time.
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Number 35 on the list is quote, discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI, which seems
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like something Alex is very interested in.
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That's pretty cool, you know, finding a place where Alex and the commies can find
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common cause.
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Yeah, I mean, discredit seems like you've already got your work done for you, so just
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take them down.
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Number 42 is particularly relevant to today.
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Quote, create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of
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the American tradition.
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Alex loves to talk about watering the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants and he's
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been pretty clear that, you know, even though January 6th was a false flag, even if it wasn't
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it would be fine because the people were there and they had a right to do an insurrection
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if they disagree with the election results.
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Yeah.
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Alex is sounding more and more like a commie.
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He's a fucking commie.
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I'm telling you.
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Anyway, this is a fake list written by an anti-communist shithead that was read into
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the congressional record.
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It's meaningless, except that it allows Paul and Alex to lend credibility to their homophobic
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conspiracy nonsense.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that list is real bad.
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It has the same problem of those books that are like 101 ways to surprise your partner
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with, you know, every day do, and then they run out of ideas where they're like, take
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a bath.
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And you're like, anybody takes a bath, man, what are you fucking talking about?
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The idea that they're trying to convince Americans that insurrection and violence is part of
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it.
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That's our fucking birthday.
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Every July 4th, we're like, hey, it's illegal to have fireworks, but guess what?
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The Austin police don't give a fuck.
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I've got a cannon.
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That's the game.
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So, you know, we got this.
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Paul believes that acceptance of homosexuality is in and of itself a communist conspiracy.
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Sure, of course.
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But the communists were up to so much more that conveniently fits in with making Paul's
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bigotry not look quite so much like bigotry.
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Oh, yeah.
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Well, it's nice of them to help out.
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And then you look into who's pushing all this, who was the financial backer behind feminism,
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and the same names crop up again and again for all of them.
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Gloria Steinem, in one of her own books, admits that this magazine was funded by the Central
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Intelligence Agency, and she was an active officer.
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This is mainstream, folks.
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One of her own books, she admits it, Central Intelligence Agency officer.
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So the CIA did have involvement with Steinem, but Alex and Paul are really overreaching
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here.
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Gloria Steinem was involved in the CIA as part of her efforts to recruit left-leaning
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youths to go to a Vienna conference being held by communists who could effectively debate
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the communists about the virtues of America.
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She did this as the head of the Independent Research Service, a CIA-funded outfit at Harvard.
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Steinem wrote about this experience in her book, My Life on the Road.
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Alex honestly should totally support her work with the CIA, since the goal of it was to
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disrupt events like this Vienna conference that were seen as being communist propaganda.
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Yeah, it was supposed to discredit and then eventually dismantle the Vienna conference.
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This magazine wasn't founded until 1972, which was a bit later than this, and the magazine
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itself wasn't funded by the CIA.
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Also, this magazine is not the initiator nor the most important aspect of feminism.
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I mean, there was a bit of it, it was a political magazine that was directed towards women and
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interests of women, so I mean, it's not unimportant in the history.
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Well, I mean, as we all know, feminism began somewhere in the 70s.
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72.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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This is a really reductive view that Paul and Alex are taking, and it's because the
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goal for them isn't to assess facts and report information accurately, they're invested in
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attacking and discrediting feminism.
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So every supposed fact needs to work in service of that predetermined endpoint that they're
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engaged in.
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That's all they're doing.
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It's really stupid.
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Yeah, I mean, the most kind of like soft misogyny there is just that idea always of like, well,
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there's no way they could come to the independent conclusion that they're being fucked over.
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So they're obviously backed by a fine mincere who's tricking them.
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Right.
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And it's essentially what we have here, when you're blaming the CIA and commies for essentially
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the acceptance of homosexuality and feminism existing, what you're doing is saying that
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without these nefarious actors, straight white men would rule everything.
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Of course they would.
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And that's the rightful way that things should be.
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And not just that, but everyone would accept it as obvious, as self-evident that straight
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white men should rule the world.
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If it weren't for the machinations of commies and the commies that work in the CIA.
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Of course.
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Yeah.
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It's ridiculous.
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When you really get down to it.
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Every day I wake up and I look at the stars and I'm like, obviously white male hegemony.
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Right.
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Obviously.
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But look, Alex wants to be clear.
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Yeah.
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Women can work if they want to.
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Whoa, can they?
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Let's not go crazy.
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I mean, this is a 40 second clip and Alex is a little unclear actually.
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Well, yeah.
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I mean, if a woman wants to be a brain surgeon or a rocket scientist, I'm sure she can do
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a great job as good or better than a man.
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The point is that, and they tried to brainwash women to do this, but their instincts, what
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their desire is switched back against them.
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So the government's panicking.
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All these professional women now want to make money early so they can go be mommies at home
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and enjoy that incredible thing that God's created.
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But the CIA came in, it's admitted, broke up the family so they'd have women working
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in factories so they could have a higher tax bracket, the taxes at higher levels.
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So the kids would be in the daycare centers and the heads start getting their vaccines,
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learning how to turn mommy and daddy in for owning a gun.
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Yeah.
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So women working is also a plot of the CIA.
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Right.
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Right, right, right.
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They're capable.
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They can.
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Right.
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Should they so choose?
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But they shouldn't.
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They wouldn't.
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Their instincts will stop them.
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If it weren't for the communists, women's natural instincts would override the government's
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desire to make them work.
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Right.
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If it weren't for the commies and the CIA.
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If it weren't for the fucking commies.
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Women would understand that they're supposed to be dependent and, you know, face their
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existence on a man.
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I'm going to just throw this out there at you.
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It seems like, to me, that the commies that are most often referenced by the anti-communists
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have nothing to do with straight white men, despite the fact that at the time of Russia,
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when the anti-communists were supposed to be fighting, all straight white men, all straight
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white men.
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In Russia, all straight white men.
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So their enemy was all straight white men, but the communist enemy was the one who's
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trying to derail white male hegemony.
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Right.
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I think that Alex could actually thread that needle.
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You think so?
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Yeah.
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I think he'd have a problem with your rebuttal.
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Okay.
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I really don't, because based on his chauvinistic worldview, he would say that yes, there is
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a straight white male hegemony in Russia, and they're trying to undermine that here
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because they know that will weaken America.
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So the straight white male hegemony is inevitable, it's just a matter of whether the commies
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or the capitalists are running the straight white male hegemony.
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Right, because it's being undermined as an attack here.
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The commies are doing that here, and then will crumble, and then the Russian straight
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white male hegemony will take over here.
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So almost ironically, they are admitting that all of the minorities of America are the deciding
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factor in whether or not communism or capitalism will win.
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That is interesting.
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I haven't unpacked that, but yeah, perhaps.
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So Alex talked about this whole defiance politics, and I told you we'd get back to it as it related
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to the Vietnam War, and this is so stupid.
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Again, conservatives would have been against the Vietnam War, but they would hire beatniks,
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and many of them known government agents, this is now public folks, they would come
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into a town, spit on people, break windows, act like horrible beasts, and then the conservatives
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would go, well, this war must be good, these guys are out here doing this.
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And those beatniks later became conservative talk show hosts like Michael Savage.
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Oh, yeah, I forgot you guys still hated Michael Savage at this point.
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Conservatives would have loved Martin Luther King Jr. if the CIA and the communists hadn't
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hired a bunch of black people to go wreck everything in white neighborhoods.
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It totally would have happened.
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Conservatives would have fucking loved Martin Luther King Jr. if it weren't for the fucking
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combi stand.
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I just think that what Alex is describing is conservatives being really dumb, and I
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honestly don't think they were even as dumb as Alex is presenting them to be.
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Oh, I would be really insulted.
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Yeah, the notion that your support or opposition of a fucking war would be dependent on the
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behavior of beatniks.
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Well, if beatniks were more polite, I would have been against the Vietnam War.
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You would have to be so detached from the actual issue that you're supporting or opposing.
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You would have to have no feeling about the war itself.
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You would have to have no principles, no convictions.
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The only thing is an aesthetic distaste for the people who oppose it.
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Well, I don't want to be associated with them, so I will oppose.
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That's horrible.
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No, no, no.
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When beatnik comes to your bar, and then you've got a little bowl of nuts, and you're drinking
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your beer, and the beatnik knocks the nuts over, do you think to yourself, well, obviously
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we should burn down villages in Vietnam?
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It just makes sense.
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There's no other conclusion to come to.
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This is a sort of tired example on our show, but it's one of the few things that I think
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Alex and I agree on, and that's the cops and civil asset forfeiture.
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I hate Alex.
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I think he sucks.
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I think he's one of the worst.
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But I see him opposing civil asset forfeiture, and my instinct isn't to be like, ah, I must
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be for it.
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Oh, you've got to be for the cops stealing things.
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But that's how Alex's brain works.
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It is.
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It's so dumb.
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If he finds out that you're against cops stealing things, I think he might be...
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I actually haven't heard him talk about it in a while.
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He might have gotten there on his own.
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Yeah, that's possible.
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He might be for that now.
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Cops should steal things.
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I think the best thieves are the cops.
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So they mentioned Michael Savage and his Beatnik past there.
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And Alex talks about...
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I didn't realize this, but Michael Savage's show on MSNBC actually got canceled in 2003,
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fairly around this point.
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And so Alex discusses that here.
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And those Beatniks later became conservative talk show hosts like Michael Savage.
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Who says that anyone that...
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Yeah, and you notice then in the redefinition, he gets fired off MSNBC for saying something
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about a group and engaging in the First Amendment.
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But it's bad to talk about the homosexuals, but not bad to say put anyone in a forced
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labor camp that disagrees with the government.
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So I just real quick want to play for you what Michael Savage got fired for.
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Is this the song Redefinition by Blackstar?
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It is not.
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Oh, damn it.
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It's what Michael Savage got fired for.
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This is Michael Savage.
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Let's go to a caller.
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If you have an airline horror story, give me a ring right here on the Savage Nation.
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Go ahead, please.
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Do you have a worst case than this one?
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Hey, Michael Savage.
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Pleasure to speak with you today.
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I was flying out of LaGuardia and there's two undercover security guards.
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Somebody was smoking in the bathroom.
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Someone was smoking in the bathroom.
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Unbelievable.
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And what happened?
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Half hour into the flight, I need to suggest that Don and Mike take care of your son because
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your teeth are real bad.
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All right.
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All right.
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So you're one of those sodomists.
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Are you a sodomite?
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Yes, I am.
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Oh, you're one of the sodomites.
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You should only get AIDS and die, you pig.
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Why don't you see that?
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Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig?
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You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage?
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You got nothing to do today?
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Go eat a sausage and choke on it.
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Get trichinosis.
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Okay.
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We have another nice caller here who's busy because he didn't have a nice night in the
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bathhouse.
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He's angry at me today.
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Huh?
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Get me another one.
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Put another sodomite on.
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No more calls?
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I don't care.
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Let's go to the next scene.
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I don't care about these bums.
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They mean nothing to me.
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Yeah.
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So, I mean, First Amendment.
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So he got kicked off for what?
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Yeah, that was, I mean, that's a particularly distasteful presentation that he gave.
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I don't know if Alex understands the First Amendment.
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If the government had done something in response to him being horribly homophobic and abusive
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to this person on air, then I think you might have some kind of a First Amendment discussion.
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But he did something on a live show that was incredibly awful and against the standards
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of the station, and they fired him for it.
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That is not a First Amendment issue.
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No, that sounds about right.
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Alex just thinks you should be able to say whatever fucking shit you want.
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I guess.
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I mean, I got fired for asking for a raise, so that's different.
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That's my free speech.
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That's different.
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That's my free speech.
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I should be able to shit on that guy's desk.
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It's very different.
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I'm not sure how, but it's different.
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Yeah, I find it really fascinating to go back to these points deep in the past and just
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see this completely infantile understanding of something that's supposed to be a bedrock
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issue for him.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's not surprising, but it's kind of a bummer.
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If it was at all something that he valued, it would be different.
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I think what he values about it is actually that it's been applied in such a way to his
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life that he can get away with saying anything that he wants.
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Well, no, the value...
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I think that you're getting to something, but the value isn't the actual First Amendment.
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That would be a principle that he wants to have the credibility of supporting.
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The principle that he actually has is, I don't want consequences for saying horrible things.
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I don't want people to actually accurately judge what I put out into the world, and you
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have to answer for it.
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Like, Michael Savage shouldn't have to answer for saying horrible things.
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He shouldn't have somebody fire him for this thing that they obviously wouldn't want to
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be associated with.
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I mean, ultimately...
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First Amendment.
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It boils really hard down to just like, I don't want to feel bad for the things that
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I say.
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And I should be allowed access to every platform or else my First Amendment right is being
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accepted.
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Exactly.
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That's nonsense.
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That's not good.
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So Alex does a little plug for one of his films, and I thought this was just actually
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really, really funny.
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Alex is a master of raising the stakes.
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Okay.
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It just covers so much, folks.
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It's my longest film.
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It's two hours and forty minutes long, okay?
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Frankly, it's two hours and forty-one minutes.
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I finally really timed it out.
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You need to get...
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Two hours and forty minutes too long.
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I love that.
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It's two hours and forty minutes.
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Frankly, it's two hours and forty-one.
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Just so you know.
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It's two forty-one.
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Listen.
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I'm a truth...
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Tip of the fucking spear here, man.
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I'm not gonna lie to my audience and say it's two forty when it's actually two forty-one.
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That's amazing.
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You know what?
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Actually, I'm gonna call it a hundred and eighty-one point three minutes.
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That's what we need to call it.
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So Alex takes some more calls, some more Paul calls, and this guy...
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This guy worried me.
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Randy in North Carolina.
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Randy, you're on the air.
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Go ahead.
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Sir, to all of our friends in Rhodesia, Australia.
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No.
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You know all the rest of the country, sir.
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All I can say is, you people are trying to tell people who don't know what is going on
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what is going on.
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Tolding completely behind you there.
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Sweden, Norway, Finland.
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Yeah, good.
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Play the music.
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Denmark, Germany.
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Ireland, England, Wales, Scotland.
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Just gonna let him keep going, huh?
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Do they know what's going on?
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Really?
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Hey, I'm gonna have to find out where you're going with this.
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Where do you fucking think he's going?
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What in God's name?
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I'm gonna have to find out where you're going with this.
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He opened with Rhodesia!
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Randy, you might be on to something, man.
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Randy!
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You're in a lot of countries with something in common.
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I don't know where you're going with this.
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I think, um, I've listened to a lot of Alex Jones in my life.
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I've listened to a lot of calls, and I am flabbergasted that he did not interrupt him
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once.
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Not once!
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That guy's verbal pattern is very slow.
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Jesus.
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Meandering.
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Easy to interrupt.
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Yeah.
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He took a meal out of Ireland.
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That seemed like a choice on Alex's part not to interrupt him, and the only thing that
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I can see in there that would be like, well, why wouldn't you interrupt him?
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He started with Rhodesia, which was not a thing in 2003.
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Not anymore.
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No.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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They renamed it White Conda.
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And it's, yeah, it's a signal to white supremacists and nationalists, and so the not interrupting
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him when he's not saying anything and rambling is a bad sign.
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Yeah.
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He's got Rhodesia, so he's probably got something I want to listen to.
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He doesn't actually end up saying really anything.
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Yeah, that's not surprising.
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He just wanted to say how great white people are.
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I guess.
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Yeah.
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So Alex gets another caller, and unfortunately this doesn't lead to a protracted movie review.
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Let's talk to Wyatt Maryland.
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Wyatt, go ahead.
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How you doing, guys?
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Pretty good.
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Good afternoon.
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Listen, the Independence Day that came on the movie with Will Smith, it's a complete
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Illuminati New World Order movie.
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Is it?
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You have a common threat that global destruction by an outside enemy, and then the entire world
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unites to defeat it.
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Also, the movie is completely entirely filled in all of the special effects if you still
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frame it frame by frame with Illuminati symbolism, pyramids that are all through the movie, skull
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and bone.
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Oh, I agree.
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Stay there, Wyatt.
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We'll let you finish up on the third hour.
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Yeah, man.
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I don't...
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Look, first of all...
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What?
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Yes, the world does band together to fight off the aliens.
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Illuminati style.
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I don't know, because everyone bands together under the United States.
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Our way in is still everybody who contributes to actually defeating the aliens are Americans.
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Sure.
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Jeff Goldblum.
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Right.
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Right.
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But here's the...
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Paxton.
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Pullman?
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Pullman.
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Yeah, not Pullman.
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Or not Paxton.
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Pullman.
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What you're not understanding here, though, is that this guy has been proven right.
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Okay.
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How is it possible for neither Will Smith nor Jeff Goldblum to become any less attractive
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this many years later?
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In fact, I might argue that Goldblum has only become more attractive in his Silver Fox years.
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You know who's real sexy, though?
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I don't know.
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I think this is dumb.
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I mean, once you got Robert Loge in your movie, it's clearly a little bit odd-y.
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What?
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This is a dumb question.
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What's that?
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I don't really...
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I lose track of culture really quickly.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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Did they make a sequel to Independence Day?
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Yes, they did.
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Okay.
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But 30 years later.
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Okay.
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Right on time.
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I honestly couldn't tell if I had imagined that.
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I think Will Smith wasn't in it, right?
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I think that's why you don't think it's a sequel to Independence Day.
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I don't...
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I remember hearing about it and then not seeing it and then I don't know.
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Anyway, the conversation about Independence Day leads to them talking about how the globalists
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are going to fake an alien invasion in order to bring us all together and create a world
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government.
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I read Watchmen.
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So here is Paul with a hot prediction.
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Any comments for that, Paul?
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Watchmen, then we'll go back to Wyatt.
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Well, yeah.
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He was talking about Independence Day and the fact that this Bolton UFO invasion may
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be staged, obviously this is going to be 10, 15 years down the line, but I've actually
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wrote an article on it.
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Obviously.
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Yeah, well.
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Obviously.
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Sure.
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Chalk that one up to the predictions that Info Wars has gotten correct.
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You're always right.
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Alien invasion.
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15 years.
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10 to 15 years.
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Yeah, we all remember in 2018.
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That was a good year for an alien invasion.
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Totally.
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Yeah.
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So Alex has this interview with Catherine Albrecht and it's...
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I don't care.
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They don't talk about any of the specifics of the documents that she supposedly hacked
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somehow or not.
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I don't know.
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She just describes it as like she used a Google search, like a Boolean search bar on the website
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and that she found some documents on the site.
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The bar for hacking is low.
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It's not hacking, like what she describes.
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For Alex, he says that she was using login information like brute force hacking.
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Right, right, right.
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That's how he describes it earlier and then she's like, I just searched for things.
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I don't know.
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They don't direct you to any actual primary sources or anything.
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I don't care.
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If I use DuckDuckGo, I assume I'm hacking.
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She's afraid of grocery store carts.
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So I'm...
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They're scary.
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It's a snooze.
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But Alex introduces her this way and I just thought this was outrageous.
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The industry is also to deal with considerable consumer ignorance and scaremongering.
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For instance, the consumer fear that health impacts of RFID tags, presuming I guess the
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micro watts, the tags momentarily use the communicator somehow more dangerous than holding
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a more powerful transmitter against your ear.
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That's a good point.
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Cell phones are dangerous.
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I suggest you use a navigator, a little plug in your ear, and keep it away.
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A lot of people lay it in their lap and then get genital cancer.
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A lot of people.
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So that is true.
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It's a lot more dangerous, folks, to have a cell phone than one of these RFID tags.
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Microscopic transmission is just with the waves hitting it and reading it.
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Alex, is that a cell phone since then?
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Yeah.
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Like consistently?
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Yeah.
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It's an iPhone now.
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Always.
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This is such nonsense.
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Yeah.
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Like you're trying to make everyone afraid of these RFID things, presumably for the multiple
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reasons of tracking and whatever pulse could be given off by it.
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And you're admitting here that phones are more dangerous and you have phones.
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This is stupid.
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You know, like listening back to these pre-smartphone era, there is like that same thing you see
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in movies where they have to contrive a reason where you can't find your smartphone in a
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horror movie because otherwise the story would be like you called someone and you're like,
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let's get the fuck out of here.
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This is dumb.
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Yeah.
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So many conspiracy theories even now have to like find a way to avoid talking about
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the fact that your phone does 99% of everything they've ever been afraid of since the dawn
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of conspiracy theories.
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Yeah.
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Like, how is it?
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My phone tells me how many fucking steps I've taken.
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Sure.
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You think the government doesn't know where I'm stepping?
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They literally do.
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They literally do.
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If they touch your phone.
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Exactly.
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So it's like, come on, man.
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It is true that like essentially given all of the conspiracy threads that existed prior
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to smartphones and such, all of them should have just woven together into a grand conspiracy
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theory that is this.
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That's the phone.
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And we should have just, then society should have collapsed as we fought a war over the
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fact that a smartphone existed.
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Right.
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And then they should have had parties where they'd smashed cell phones or something.
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Right.
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Totally.
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You know, become some kind of a, uh, uh, like people who live in the woods.
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Like I think about it and I remember vaguely the movie Enemy of the State.
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And I'm like, as I remember it, I'm like, it was such a huge revelation in those moments
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for them to be like, the government's doing this and now I'm like, dude, I can do that.
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I can watch my pet from fucking space.
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Yeah.
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It's fine.
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Or it's not fine.
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It's probably super bad, but whatever.
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You can't watch your pet from space.
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You can't get to space.
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The movie Enemy of the State sounds so quaint now.
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It's very funny.
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Yeah.
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What are we going to do?
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So speaking of quaint, you know, this is why we needed to go back to 2003 and have a little
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bit of lower stakes time.
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No low stakes.
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But at the same time, I think you still get some, um, some illustrations of these things
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that are actually still very relevant to the present.
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This politics that's based in essentially imagining what your enemy believes and then
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doing the opposite is so consistent throughout Alex's life and the use of these imaginary
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enemies in order to reinforce the bigotries that you want to, uh, carry out.
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You know, CIA and the commies want you to accept homosexuality and they're behind feminism.
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It's all just, uh, in service of, uh, intellectualizing your own bigotries in order to make it not
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seem so bad that you're pushing them.
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Yeah.
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That's all they're doing.
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I mean, the thing that I immediately like reevaluate is those, those, that first week
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of COVID where he's talking about how it's the, you know, it's over for humanity.
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You got these numbers out of China.
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It's probably a hundred times as many dead.
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And then the quick turn to like, this is all fake.
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This is nothing.
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And it's like, my immediate instinct at the time was, oh, he's got the marching orders.
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He's got the, the line from all of these people.
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And now the more I think about it, the more it's like, maybe he just saw that people on
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the left were taking it seriously, you know?
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And he's like, well, if they're taking it seriously, it's gotta be a conspiracy.
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Yeah.
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You know, like that's, it's sad.
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It's sad.
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It's so sad.
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I think there's something to that.
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Yeah.
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I think that he imagined that people weren't going to take it seriously.
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Yeah.
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He assumed that the left could be like, this is not scary and public health will take care
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of it and all this stuff.
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And then he realized that they were like, actually this could be bad.
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He's like, well, it's fake then, you know?
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Yeah.
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I think, I think there's a lot to that.
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And the extremeness that he has gone down the road, that road in particular does track
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with people continuing to take it seriously.
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The more we take it seriously, the more nuts he goes.
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Yeah.
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And then the other thing too, I just wanted to cover this episode for was the bizarre
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conversation about free speech involved with him going to call into a radio show.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I thought that was...
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That's...
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That story too is really fun.
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Just to imagine Alex sitting there trying to do a fake voice, calling into a show.
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Them not letting him on the show and then him immediately calling everyone he knows.
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Totally.
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Like, you got to call into the show.
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They won't let me on.
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What a whiny baby.
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So fun.
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What a terrible Texan accent.
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He lives in Texas.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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He does.
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Oh boy.
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So we'll be back probably with a present day episode on Monday.
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Most likely.
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Seeing what's been going on.
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Seeing if Alex has quit again.
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Yeah.
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We'll see.
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We'll find out.
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I don't know.
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Maybe he's gone back to the Capitol today and he's taken care of things.
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I would love it if we check back in on the present and he's talking about trying to call
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into a radio show and then not letting him on.
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God, you're a witch.
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That would be the best.
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That'd be so good.
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We'll find out.
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But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
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We do.
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We do.
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Yep.
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We're also on Twitter.
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We are on Twitter.
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It's at Knowledge Underscore Fighting Act.
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Go to bed, Jordan.
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Yep.
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We'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm DZX Clark.
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I'm Daryl Rundis.
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
