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Dan and Jordan, I am SWEATING
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knowledgefight.com, it's time to pray
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I have great respect for knowledge fight
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys
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saying we are the bad guys
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knowledge fight
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Dan and Jordan, knowledge fight
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I need, I need money
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RIDDLER, RIDDLER, RIDDLER
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Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas
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Stop it, Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas
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Andy and, Andy, it's time to pray
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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding
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Hello Alex, I'm a victim caller, I'm a huge fan
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I love your room
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knowledgefight
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I love you
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan
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I'm Jordan
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about
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Alex Jones
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Oh indeed we are, Dan
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Jordan
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Dan
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Jordan
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Quick question for ya
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today?
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My bright spot today is that I have been vaccinated
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Yay!
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I got it all taken care of and I'm okay
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Yes indeed
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At this point, it was an interesting weekend
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I actually, I got my date wrong and ended up getting the vaccine on Saturday
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Yes, yep
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And I had heard from some people, I had some friends who have gotten shot and they've told
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me about like, oh, you know, hey, the next day it's pretty bad or like I had a little
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bit of, you know, some, some effects
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Sure, sure, sure
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And so you were kind enough to drive me to get the vaccine and I went and immediately
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I was very cocky
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Oh!
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I was so cocky
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I was very much like, I'm not even having any side effects, I wanna, I wanna be part
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of the team, everybody's suffering through this
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I appreciated very much the hubris of saying, you know, I feel like I'm not even a part
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of the communal experience of the side effects
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Yeah
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And so that evening, Saturday evening, Wrestlemania was on
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Right
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Saturday and Sunday and it was the return of the live audience at a Wrestlemania and
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there was this weird resonance between, I got vaccinated on the same day as Wrestlemania
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is having crowds return
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Sure, sure
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There was sort of a swell of emotion of like normal, pseudo normalcy
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You can see the horizon
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You can see the horizon over there
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
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Yeah and so I was watching it and right at about 9.30 I got hit by a train of a fever
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Just a, just a locomotive and so I had a little bit of a fever through the end of Saturday
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night of Wrestlemania and went straight to bed and felt fine, Sunday really
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Yes
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But felt real stupid
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Well, I mean, Dan, you got your wish, you joined the communal experience of side effects
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Dan
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Yeah
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You and I are both fully vaccinated now
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I felt really stupid cause I was like looking at my texts to you and I was like, there's
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no side effects
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I'm fine
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It was very funny
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I'm a superman
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It was very funny, I didn't feel any like resentment towards you, I was just sitting
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there going like, oh, I've heard some people don't have side effects, maybe Dan will be
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one of the ones
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In the back of my mind I was like, something's gonna happen
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Yeah, it wasn't too bad too, like it wasn't even like a really bad fever, I'm just kind
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of weak
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Yeah
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I'm very soft and a little bit of a fever and I was just like, I need to put on a little
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hat, a little bedtime hat
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A little bedclothes, nice little sleepy time tea
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Yeah, and so also, I just feel like I should do this, a little review of Wrestlemania
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Sure, sure, of course
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Boo
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That was a very little review
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Yeah
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Wow
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Real bad?
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Mm
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How did, we had a conversation about Bray Wyatt and his nonsense, did they do what
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we, I surmised that they would do a movie like that, where they go inside of a, nope
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What happened?
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So for the listeners who don't watch wrestling, Bray Wyatt was a guy who was a swamp hillbilly
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cult leader
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Sure
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And was a lot of fun
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Unofficial mascot of this podcast, I believe
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Sure, yeah
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Our first tweet was, yeah, yeah, yeah
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No, I don't think that was our first tweet, but it was the first one I tagged Alex Jones
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in
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Yes, yeah, yeah
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He was on Twitter
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
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So he used to be a swamp hillbilly cult leader, and that was a lot of fun, he gave rambling
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sermons, and then he went away and he came back as a children's TV show host
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Sure
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It was a little bit creepy
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Sure
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At the Firefly Funhouse, and then he also was possessed by a demon called the Fiend
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Right
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That made him nearly indestructible, and there's a bunch of convoluted nonsense storytelling
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Of course
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Then at last year's Wrestlemania, they did a cinematic movie type match, where it was
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called a Firefly Funhouse match
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Sure
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Where the Fiend deconstructed John Cena's ego in his entire career
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Right
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Through a weird psychological deconstruct- it was amazing
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No, no, we- I watched it, this is one of the few things about wrestling that I've ever
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watched, we watched it together, and I told you this was actually very, very good
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It was a lot of fun, so over the course of this year, the Fiend, the demon guy, he got
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burned alive
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Sure, sure
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Randy
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Professional wrestling, correct?
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Okay
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Randy Orton set him on fire, and burned him alive, and he disappeared for a bit, but by
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that point, he had indoctrinated Alexa Bliss, who was another character on the show
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Sure
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Sure
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Into the dark arts, or the evil
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Naturally
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Or whatever
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Yeah, whatever it is they do
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And so she was sort of pestering Randy Orton, and throwing fireballs at him, because she
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can throw fireballs now
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Well yeah, but why not?
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Sure
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You burned a man alive, you might as well give his buddy the ability to throw fireballs
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So at the last pay-per-view, Alexa Bliss had talked Randy Orton into a match with her
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Sure
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And of course, this was all a trap
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Well yeah, she shoots fire
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And the Fiend came back, and he was all burned and everything
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Okay, alright
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Charred up, and like, oh my god, he's a zombie, he's back
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Sure, sure, sure
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You will be visited by three other ghosts immediately following this one
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Yes
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Yeah, yeah
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So at this WrestleMania, on night two, they had the match between the Fiend and Randy
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Orton, and it was like, what the fuck is this gonna be?
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They've already burned him to death
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Yeah, yeah, so I would say, you know
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A wrestling match
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A chalk and ash bone match
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I was like, this is so stupid
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And so actually, during the pre-show of night one, I was yelling at the screen, open with
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the Fiend match you cowards!
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Yeah
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Because it's the worst idea, why would you ever open the show with that match?
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Oh, it's a terrible idea
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And they opened the show with that match
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They did not
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And it was so dumb
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They opened the show with that match, that's a terrible idea
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Yeah
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Oh my god
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It was really bad
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Oh boy
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Yep, and it started with Bray Wyatt as the Fiend, charred, walking down the hallway
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And as he walked down the hallway, all the char dropped off him and he was magically
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healed
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And he regenerated?
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Yeah
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He regenerated?
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Oh man
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Yep
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Oh shit, that should have been on Easter
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Should have been on Easter
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The Fiend comes back on Easter Sunday?
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That's the way you do it
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I would explain what happened in the match, but I don't really understand it and it was
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dumb
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I will say my high point, and this is damning the Wrestlemania with faint praise, my high
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point was the rapper Bad Bunny
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I have been hearing a lot of people say positive things about a rapper who did some flips
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Yes, that was on night one, it might have been when my fever was setting in, but he
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killed it
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It was a lot of fun to watch him have just the best time
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Clearly he was having a lot of fun
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That didn't happen, I checked with some people before the show and they were like no, Bad
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Bunny's never been on Wrestlemania, Dan just had a terrible fever
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Oh shit
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Dan, your fever was so bad, your brain was torturing itself
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On night two they had a great video, like a little piece where Bad Bunny comes walking
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up onto a street and Triple H is standing there with a briefcase and he's like you did
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great at Wrestlemania, now you go do what you do
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Oh god no
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So he hands him the briefcase and he's got a microphone
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No no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no
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I don't even know anything about Bad Bunny's music and I have been won over, he seems charming
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Anyway, this has been my protracted bright spot, how about you Jordan
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Dan, my bright spot of all things, there's a new TV show called Made for Love
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Features someone who's burned to death, comes back
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Close, surprisingly close, it's like a, you know, tech billionaire, he does some stuff,
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it's quite funny, but the main thing is Ray Romano is incredible in it
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Oh yeah
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He has turned himself into an actor with a, with a capital Taur
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I think he's always been pretty good
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He's always been pretty good, but you wouldn't expect everybody loves Raymond to be this
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guy and to pull it off as well as he does
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I don't know, have you seen Men of a Certain Age?
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That was pretty good
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Was it?
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Was it Andre Brauer?
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Wait, Men of a Certain Age, which age?
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Yeah, Ray Romano, Quantum Leap Guy, Scott Bakula
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Scott Bakula is still alive?
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It was a while back, there was a show, I remember
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Scott Bakula was alive a while back?
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He was of a certain age
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I remember that show being alright, I might be wrong about that
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Wait, it was a show?
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Yeah
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I thought it was like a
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It was on like USA
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I thought it was like the Deep Impact to Wild Hogs's Armageddon if you will
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You know, Men of a Certain Age and Wild Hogs both came out the same year kind of thing
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There's thematic overlap
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Sure
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Aging
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Anyway
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Okay
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Jordan
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Yes?
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Today we have an episode to go over
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Oh we do
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Yup
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Was that what we were doing?
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So I had this weekend of, you know, sort of recovery and what have you and convalescence
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Even though I probably wasn't nearly as, you know, in need of that as I might have thought
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I might need to be
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I appreciate everybody allowing us, you know, being cool about Monday on Wednesday this
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week
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But as I was getting back to work I was like, I don't want to do this stuff
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Like I didn't want to look at the present day
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There have been some shootings and, you know, police involved shooting in Minneapolis
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And I just, I just didn't have the stomach to jump right back into that with Alex
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And so I decided we're going back to 2003
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Okay
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We're going to dip our toes back in
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We'll deal with the present day on Friday
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Sure
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But I needed to have something that had a little bit less stakes in order to dive back
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in on
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And we'll talk about that here in just a moment
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But before we do we've got to take a moment to say thank you to some folks who have signed
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up and are supporting the show
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That's a great idea
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So first, Scatman AKA Dan, thank you so much
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You are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thanks Scatman AKA Dan
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This is a good point for me to also apologize
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It has been brought up to me that I did say on an early episode that if we ever made it
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to a point where we were comfortable doing this podcast
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Oh no, we don't bring that up anymore
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That I would change my name legally to Scatman
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We don't bring that up anymore
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I'm not going to be able to do that
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Well, we were not expecting it
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Yes
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We were putting, we were putting a lot of money on not making any money
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I do keep open the possibility of a Scatman John tattoo or just his mustache
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Oh yeah
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Next, Willard Wonka in the policy factory
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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thanks Willard Wonka
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Next, Courtney B, not a walk-in but I was in a Nelly song
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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thanks Courtney
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Good to know that is not a walk-in
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That's not a walk-in
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No
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No
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You know Courtney B telling me about a party up in NYC
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I don't
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Gotta make it damn right
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I don't
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First flight, first flight, first flight
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Ah, come on
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Mix the Vanna White
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I don't know
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I'm never going to understand it
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I'm never going to understand it
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The world still thought Nelly was a good idea
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Must be the money
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They really did
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That's a great song
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Okay
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Anyway, uh, Toko, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thanks Toko
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Thank you
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Next, Davey Pancakes, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thanks, Davey Pancakes
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Thank you
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Next, evil commie feminist witch definitely coming for your guns, thank you so much,
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you are now a policy wonk
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I'm a policy wonk
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Thank you very much
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Hey, and finally, uh, I got a little technocrat shout out going out to Conal
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Thank you so much, Conal, you are now a technocrat
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I'm a policy wonk
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Crikey, mate, that's fantastic, have yourself a brew
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How's your 401k doing, bro?
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Alright, we gotta go full tilt boogie on this Watson, alright?
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Let's just get down to business
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We ain't making that money off that heroin
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Why you pimps so good?
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My neck is freakishly large
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I declare info war on you
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Thanks so much, Conal
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Yes, thank you very much, Conal
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Also, Jordan, I know you know this
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What's up, Dan?
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Now, the world needs to know this
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Okay
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There are two April birthdays, uh, myself
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Indeed they are
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Myself
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There's one, you have two in April as well this year, I believe
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And Dr. Gums, my buddy Dr. Gums also has a, uh, has a April birthday
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Alright
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You know who else does?
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Brad.
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How's it going, Brad?
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Happy birthday, Brad
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Uh, Tyler got in touch with us and wanted us to wish Brad a happy birthday
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So, Brad, happy birthday
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Happy birthday, Brad
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We didn't say when your birthday was, though
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It's just in April at some point
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Not important
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It doesn't have to be in April
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My birthday's in April and so is Dr. Gums, which means that it's the best month
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Also, Mandy Moore, Cedric the Entertainer, Kelly Clarkson
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Okay
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Anyway, Jordan, today we are going over May 5th, 2003
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Alright
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You may recall that our last episode was about May 2nd, 2003
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And you're like, what the hell, why are we jumping?
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We aren't jumping
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Okay
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May 2nd was a Thursday
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Uh-huh
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It was a Friday
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Now we're back on Monday
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It was a busy Friday
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Yeah
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It was a busy Friday
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He doesn't have a Sunday show at this point
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Gotcha
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So we're just back on Monday here
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And here is an out of context drop from today's show
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Kids are now being arrested for stepping in water puddles
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That's an aggressive move
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That is an aggressive move
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That is an aggressive move
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Yep, kids are being arrested for stepping in water puddles
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Stepping in water puddles?
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Yeah
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How deep are we talking?
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So deep
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I want to know, I want to know the regulations on what pools
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What is the pool of water in this circumstance?
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I regret to inform you that Alex does not get into that
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Oh, that's a real bummer
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Any of the specific details on that front
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Alright
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So Alex begins the show complaining about how the bath party is being put in all the
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positions of power in Iraq
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Which in retrospect sounds really right on
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He's right about everything
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He will shortly be very, very, very wrong
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And then we get an edition of the game that I like to play
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That is Where in the World is Saddam Hussein?
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And they are setting up a dictatorship
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They are putting a regional governors in
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All former bath party officials in the 23 ministries
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That is official, White House last week
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Most of Saddam's former people, most of them trained in the US by the CIA
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That was the CIA government under Saddam until they broke
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When he followed orders to invade Kuwait
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And got a lot of trouble, they set him up
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As Saddam said on ITN, now comfortable living in Russia
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So apparently Saddam is now comfortable living in Russia
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Okay
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On our last episode he was in Haiti or was it Cuba?
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I believe he was in Cuba
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Yeah
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He was in Cuba
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So now he's, in the last couple days he's gone from Cuba to Russia
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I think there was an Indiana Jones style interstitial
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Where there's the plane and the red line going from spot to spot
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I believe
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Yeah
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Boy, he gets around
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Nobody, nobody has seen him get on any of these flights
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No
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Cuba, Russia
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Right
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That hole
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That, yeah
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Where he was found
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Yes, exactly
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Yeah
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Quite a travel itinerary
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Yeah
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Yeah, so this is interesting the way that this is playing out
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That Alex is very much on the page of the bath party is going to be in charge of everything
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Naturally
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It's just going to be very, very wrong in a very short period of time
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Yeah
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So at this point in Alex's career, he's a different Alex Jones than he is in the present
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day
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In some ways and he's the same in some ways
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Right now in 2021 even as he's being a real dum-dum on air and being very sad and not
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great at his job
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Just a real shit pile
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He's still in a million dollar studio
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Yes
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He's still got the LED screens behind him
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True
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He's the kind of guy who shows up with bullhorns at events that he didn't organize in DC and
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people chant his name
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He can afford to hire at least 15, 18 year olds at a time
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And you know, he can draw a crowd
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He can lead some people from Trump's rally to the Capitol in a way that might look bad
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in hindsight
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We don't need to worry about that
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In 2003 he was a little bit different
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The kind of bookings Alex was taking back then
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Oh no
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But before I go any further, a couple quick announcements
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I rarely traveled, but I will be up at KCXL 1140 that carries the daytime show
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KCXL 1140 for the Liberty Factor, May 17th, that's a couple weeks from now on a Saturday
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May 17th and that's going to be from 10 a.m. to 9 p.m.
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Colonel Craig Roberts and others will be there speaking
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And I'll be speaking for several hours and doing a presentation and it's going to be
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a great event and it's a benefit for KCXL
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And I hope to see everybody there
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So Alex is basically, he's doing a local radio gig
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that
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I appreciate that a lot
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There's maybe a minor league baseball game somewhere nearby
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There's a car dealership opening that he's going to be appearing at
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So I was wondering about this station because it's like Alex is going out of his way to
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go to this station
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Yeah
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It seems weird
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Like what can we find out about this place?
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And, well, there's a 2020 article about the station that I thought was a little bit interesting
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seeing how things turned out for them
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So wait, this was just last year?
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Yeah
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Okay, alright
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So this station is owned by a guy named Pete Chartel and he signed a deal not too long
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ago with Radio Sputnik to air their broadcasting for six hours a day on this station AM 1140
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as well as two other stations he runs for approximately $60,000 a year
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Ooh, you know, it's tough keeping a Ma and Pa radio station alive though
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Right
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So like, you gotta find revenue where you can
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Yeah, sure
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Yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do
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It's interesting, I find that interesting, not necessarily all that damning or anything
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No, no, no
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Weird
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Yeah
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Also, prior to this, this station was airing people like Alex Jones and of course Rick
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Wiles who you may remember is that fundamentalist asshole who called the Trump impeachment a
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quote Jew coup
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Yes
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This line in a KCUR profile about him and this station is actually kind of stunning
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Quote, Chartel acknowledges that KCXL has at times given platforms to people who quote
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seem antisemitic
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But Chartel said that he thinks his listeners are well informed and should be able to quote
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decide for themselves whether they think something is anti this or anti that whether it's based
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on prejudice or upon someone's wrong interpretation of the facts
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Now, now I feel like we're misunderstanding a real issue there
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I understand it's up to the listener to decide whether or not they believe it is antisemitism
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however it is and you put it on the radio, sir
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Well, he certainly says it seems like it is
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It doesn't get, we don't get to go back from seems, we don't get to go back from seems
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you put it on the radio
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Yeah
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And plenty of your listeners were well aware of that it was antisemitism and it was a selling
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point for them
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I'm taking up time on my broadcast to air Nazi stuff and I'm gonna, you know, run commercials
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during it
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Sure
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But I trust that the audience gets that I don't like this
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I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna stump for them
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I'm just gonna give them a place to spread their views without any pushback
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Yeah, so that's the station that Alex is going to do
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Good stuff
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Great
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Good stuff
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So Alex has some gripes in 2003
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He's got some issues but there's one issue that is rises above all of them
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Okay
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The biggest thing we face is the overnight talk sensation types that talk about deliberate
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disinformation on purpose
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They'll have five stupid guests for one good guest that talks about real information
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What that then does is when the average American hears somebody talk about famous corrupt world
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government they've heard that mixed in with the Green Martians from the South Pole or
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you know Planet X or whatever and then it neutralizes all of it, it's the poison pill
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Whereas everything we talk about here is proven and is documented and is in your face
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So the biggest issue that the truth movement or whatever Alex is engaged in at this point
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The biggest issue that they face is these opportunistic radio people who talk about
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some of the real issues but then mix in stuff like aliens or let's say extra dimensional
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demons and fighting the literal devil
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Right, right
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One could say that he has become everything that he hates most in this exact moment
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Alex's biggest problem in 2003 is his future self
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Is Alex in 2021
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Yeah
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Oh boy
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Gotta love it
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So I heard that and I thought like well that's just good fun
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That is
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But this actually leads to what I think is a really interesting moment later in the episode
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Okay
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There's something that rises this up to a level of relevance that it wouldn't have otherwise
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But before we get to that Alex has got to complain a lot about how they're going to
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outlaw homeschooling
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Okay
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I've got the headline right here homeschooling under new law to be abused in California just
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says period you homeschool it's abusive
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Yes it's the new America folks this is who they're coming after hope you know the terrorism
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manual say Christians gun owners homeschoolers word for word and you thought it was the Muslims
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oh no they work for the CIA any real Muslim terrorists is flying around in a plane with
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bars of gold from your tax money
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What?
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Any real
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By the way Senate reports before I end this segment you want to find out about those Muslim
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terrorists that work for the CIA get 911 the road to tyranny and part two of that the masters
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of terror
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Interesting add pivots
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Wow
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That's the way it worked back then
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If you want to find out about the Muslims terrorists
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Flying around with bars of gold
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With bars of gold from your tax money
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Okay
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Yeah
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So all the terrorists without bars of gold are fake Muslim terrorists?
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I think that Alex is saying that there aren't really any except for CIA run Muslim terrorists
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yeah it's interesting
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That is interesting
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Yeah
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Okay
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So they're gonna they're gonna get rid of homeschooling they're calling it abuse
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I mean I have a problem with homeschooling as a way to avoid learning that's a big issue
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where they're like I don't want my kid learning any of that devil math that's an issue
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Right
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So they should learn the math of the spheres
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Yeah homeschooling in and of itself isn't necessarily abusive but it can be an element
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of abuse if you're keeping your child in a you know raising them in some kind of absurd
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way
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Perhaps
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Let's say homeschooling could be an element of that but just because someone decides to
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homeschool does not necessarily equate to that
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Yeah
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And I think that Alex likes to play the margins there likes to pretend that everybody is saying
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that homeschool is intrinsically
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Sure
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Inactive abuse
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I mean yeah
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I don't think that those are the arguments that people are making
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You know I mean in my small community growing up we had a couple I had I had that but I
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think we had both ends of the spectrum of homeschool kids the kids who are homeschooled
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who were clearly way overachievers and you meet them and they're six years old and you're
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like yeah you shouldn't be in with the rest of the chattel you need to be raised by your
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weirdo parents to become a math genius that's fine
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And then the other end of that was the like well okay so they know everything about the
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Bible and then beyond that we're in real dicey territory
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Sure
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Yeah
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And I think one of the difficulties and challenges of homeschooling is obviously like socialization
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and I think people have figured out ways around that with like you know groups and
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strategies and stuff like that
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Yeah yeah yeah yeah the whole thing
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Yeah but I don't know the way that I look at it is like yeah there's some homeschool
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stuff that's bad and there's some stuff that's fine
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Yeah
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Alex on the other hand when he looks at school
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Sure
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It's all bad
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Oh well and all over the country cesspools like California run by socialists and gun
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grabbing creatures like Davis are first saying oh we're gonna rescue you homeschool we don't
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have a teaching certificate not a law they just say it same thing in Illinois they're
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trying it all over now even some southern states it's all about intimidation it's less
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than 1% it's to scare you than to be highly publicized we've talked to Christopher before
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he's given us this great analysis and I agree with him it's what they're doing now though
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they're trying to put it into law and call it child abuse where they just refuse the
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school refused to give you quote your form then you don't put your child in their abusive
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system where your child learns how to be a crack whore or learns how to worship world
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government or learns how to report mommy and daddy thrown in guns
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Are they the only three?
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Christianity is seen as a cult religion but they teach you how to be a Muslim I mean it
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goes on and on
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What?
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The nightmares in these schools when your kid gets arrested if they're caught playing
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tag or dodge ball
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These are weird examples
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Yeah this is a very strange dystopia that he's painting a picture that if that were
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real you would that's some very weird adults doing some weird stuff like as a whole
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Yeah I don't know how public education teaches you to be and I don't like this term but as
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Alex is calling it a crack whore
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A crack sex worker
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I don't know what that educational curriculum is like I also think yeah I mean like obviously
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tag and dodge ball that's just those right wing talking points around this time and periodically
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whenever they want to deploy those yeah it's weird
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Yeah I don't think I remember any classes growing up that was just like okay we're gonna
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watch the wire and then you figure out what character you want to be and we'll build a
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curricula based on that
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Yeah I also don't know I don't know what classes ever have been like Christianity is a cult
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and oh here's how you become a Muslim
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I don't know if I've ever read it yet
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It's a little
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That's not very
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It seems a little bit like a caricature
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I feel like he might be describing a women's studies course in a very wrong way
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I don't know so Alex has an example though of like the way that this is out of control
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in the schools the schools are out of control they're trying to get everyone jammed up
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Okay
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Like here in Austin Texas if you're late to class three times that's considered truancy
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they criminally charge you in one school over half the kids have been charged though the
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state law says 12 to 14 truancies in a semester they're not even following the law anymore
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I met a lady she showed me the documents and she actually works for someone in my family
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and she brought she showed me the documentation her child was in kindergarten six years ago
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and was out for a week with pneumonia they have now criminally charged her for truancy
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in kindergarten and we went look at the statute of limitations it's like six months because
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there's not even a criminal charge and they're now criminally charging her they're not even
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following laws now sir
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What?
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That seems uh if true I am outraged sir
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Yeah I don't believe this
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So the first thing that I find troubling about this story is that a week is a pretty quick
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recovery time for a kindergartner to get over pneumonia
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As easy
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That seems fishy
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That's a strong kindergartner
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Also Jordan I would ask you this question what is truancy if you're a kindergartner?
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Those kids are between four and six years old so it's not like they're even able to
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skip class
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They stopped watching The Wire all right they turned around
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If there's an unexplained absence of a child in kindergarten that's an issue with the parents
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a six-year-old is not responsible for getting themselves to class like a high schooler might
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be so pretending there's an equivalence in terms of truancy is just ridiculous
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The kindergarten hires a guy in a van to drive around outside all 7-elevens and be like hey
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you you're it's your one day you gotta be in school get in there
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According to the Texas Board of Education there are a bunch of steps that are taken
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before any kind of court would come into play with truancy issues as it stands now
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These rules were changed to get rid of any possible criminal charges back in 2015 but
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even prior to that the worst that would really happen to a student is that they would be
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charged with a Class C misdemeanor
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Sure
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That they could get out of control and we'll discuss that in a second
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Right right right
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I'm not sure how I feel about any of this but I'm also pretty sure from what I've read
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on the subject that this is only something that currently is done after there are attempts
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to resolve the truancy issue and those attempts have failed
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Sure
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And it's not even how this stuff works anymore
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This is one of those interesting things about Alex in the past though where he he's actually
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covering a murky subject but he's sensationalizing it so far past the point where it can be taken
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seriously
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Yeah
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So people can and should discuss what approaches are appropriate to take in terms of encouraging
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attendance in school and how chronic truancy is often an indication of a larger problem
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that should not be ignored and kids need help with
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Yeah if chronic truancy the problem is not you're not in school often enough
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Right
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There's a way bigger problem somewhere
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It usually is a sign of something that someone could use some kind of assistance with
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Is imposing fines on high schoolers who skip class all the time a good strategy or is it
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overly punitive and counterproductive?
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That is a fine conversation and I think that it's worth having
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Sure
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Where it falls apart and why Alex is a terrible source of information about anything is the
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point where he makes this about a kindergartner who had pneumonia being criminally charged
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for being out of school
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That's absurd and even according to the debatably too harsh rules that Texas operated under
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at the time these truancy rules only applied to students in first through 12th grade
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Alex is making up an extreme example of some anecdote that he's heard that's so severe
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that it creates an image in the audience's head about this policy that he's looking to
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demonize
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He does this because that's easier than it would be to look over data and come up with
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an argument against the policy as it exists
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If you can just paint a dramatic overly emotionally charged picture in your audience's head you
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don't have to do the work of making an actual point
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Yeah
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Yeah that'd be like I remember whenever they took away three three a day practices when
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I was in high school doing football and I and people were all like oh no you're making
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the kids soft and all of that stuff and yeah that was probably the best decision to take
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that away but this would be like if Alex got on and he was like yeah they said you only
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have to do two and this coach he went ahead and did three anyways so they fucking killed
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him they just killed him they murdered him on the spot they're not even following the
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laws anymore
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There's no due process
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They just murdered the coach on the field
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Honestly my problem is the lack of due process
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Exactly it's due process
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So also by framing the issue that Alex is discussing like this he can sidestep the uncomfortable
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reality that this kind of program disproportionately victimizes students without means
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If you skip school and you're fined for it and you can't pay the fine what happens then?
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A 2015 article on Buzzfeed discussed the case of an 11th grader in Texas who couldn't pay
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and was quote offered jail credit at a rate of three hundred dollars per day
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This is an incredibly flawed system and the conversation about it is done a disservice
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by having Alex try to grandstand about imaginary kindergartners
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Thankfully there are other adults discussing these sorts of issues in terms of reality
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and adjustments were made no thanks to Alex's idiotic fake advocacy
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Yeah yeah like it's such a huge issue too when you consider the school to prison pipeline
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and how so many things are meant to criminalize children at an early enough age so you can
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just keep them criminals forever and use them as fuel for the capitalist mill
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But Alex clearly one only cares about white kids so there's a problem there
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And two is just he's not dealing with any of the larger problem he's just like ah they're
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criminalizing kindergartners and you're like oh fuck
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I think that this has an interesting intersection of that school to prison pipeline idea which
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is definitely real and an issue
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Totally
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And also misguided but well intentioned ideas
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Yes
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I do think that some people who may not be trying to criminalize children think they're
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like okay if you're in high school and you skip school and you get a fine maybe you'll
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be less likely to skip high school
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Sure
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You know encouraging the right behavior the wrong way
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Yeah
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I think that there is an element of that but even so no matter what no matter where more
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of the weight lies
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Yeah
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Whatever Alex is doing is pointless
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Yeah
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And it doesn't help solve any of the problems
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Yeah no and you can totally imagine like I can get inside the mind of the person who
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offered the kid like oh so we'll give you credit for doing jail and that person was
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probably thinking they were a genius like see you can't afford to pay it you just do
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some jail
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Right
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I'm helping you out instead of somebody who should have been slapped in the face the moment
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they had that thought
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Yeah it's
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You know
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Yeah
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The moment you're like hey how about do some time in jail instead of paying me the money
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that doesn't make any sense for you to pay me in the first place
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Yeah reading that kind of stuff it doesn't make a lot of sense why you would continue
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down this road of this policy
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Yeah
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Yeah anyway Alex mentioned a guy named Chris there and he's a guy named Chris Klicka who's
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a lawyer for an organization that is a staunchly conservative Christian organization that is
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all about homeschool
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That's terrible that's terrible because I would listen to MC Chris Klicka instantly
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I would listen to his mixtape
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You would not
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He drops that oh man
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Here's what most of his songs are about
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Okay
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Those who oppose us those who are anti-parent and the pro-child forces and I don't mean
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that in a positive way they're they're trying to take our children through whatever means
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they can
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Well let's face it there's also a big move to take people's children to give it to homosexuals
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Oh yeah
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Oh boy
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Oh yeah
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Okay
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Oh boy
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So yeah this is this is the way this manifested in 2003
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Yeah that's not as good of a mixtape as I was hoping
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No
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No no that was not the coloring book that was
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Yeah so apparently this a lot of this stuff with these schools and the truancy and the
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punishment and the that gets the social services involved and all this and part of it is that
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there's a major push to take your kids and give them to homosexuals
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Sure sure
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Again
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The homosexual agenda is running amok in 2003 because that is where the edge that the conservative
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panic is playing
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Yep yep these people are silly children
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Mm-hmm
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They it's so weird to go back into the past and listen to these people and think you're
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still allowed to talk aren't you people still listen to you you listen to that and you're
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like really we're doing that back then yeah and you're still around
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It's pretty wild
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How?
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Mm-hmm
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And it's just a conservative edge grift mill is just so endless
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Yep
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And it's the same shit
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Yep it's the same it's the same shit with just slightly different window dressing
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Put different little ingredients into the same stew
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Yep
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Shit
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So if you go to the hospital and you're gonna give birth
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Sure
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These social service people
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I'm gonna take the yeah no I'm gonna steal those kids and I'm gonna give them to homosexuals
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I believe
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They're very least gonna take the kids
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Yeah well
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Yeah this is worse than the Soviet Union
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Oh yeah
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You go and you have what's that already is here they're stalking the hospitals they've
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got plants in there they get a cut and the people look ignorant man their kids are gone
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That's right
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I mean if you look ignorant man it's oh they walk in and go please sign here well what
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are you doing just work with us everything will be all right you sign it they grab your
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kid and go ha ha ha I mean literally
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Uh-huh
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I don't know and Alex does not expound on what it means to look ignorant in this in
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this case
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Yeah I think we
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I don't know I honestly don't know what he means it it does not make sense
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It's true that's true it really doesn't make any sense
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Nope
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Nope
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I just don't you know people listen to that and they don't hear people who are whining
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like crazy people like this is insane like do you know what's going on now I went to
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the DMV to re-up my license and instead of giving me a new license they shit in my mouth
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they shit directly into my mouth
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Literally
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The lid you know they put me down they held me down they had me on a gurney and somebody
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shit directly into my mouth
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I have documents
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From it was they were on a ladder and it was it dropped for a while
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I have a notarized witnesses signature
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Yeah it's like what are you talking about right you sound ridiculous
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Yeah
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You're children
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Yeah yeah it's it's pretty wild and and when you talk about that it gets into like okay
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well obviously Alex nowadays would call them the devil
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Yeah yeah
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That's what he would do nowadays
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Yep
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But in 2003 people who mix that stuff up
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Oh they're they're
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That's the poison pill
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It's too far
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That's how you make the Patriots and all this look bad
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Yeah
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A caller calls in and wants to talk about the social service workers and he thinks that
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they are demons
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Okay okay here we go
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Now here is Alex's response
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All right
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When people hear statements that these people are diabolic they are of the devil just listening
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to you talk about the guidelines when you went through your training proves that they
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are your first three guidelines were totally unscriptural anti-scriptural it goes against
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the creator and our instructions for life and they are of the devil and Alex you're
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right on the money with that these people are
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I'm gonna be honest I've covered them been around them and you know this is a news program
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but when you're around them they really are demonic I mean I'm gonna be I mean these are
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at least what I've seen these are degenerate scum that's all I can say about them
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That's kind of measured
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Yeah
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They're demonic that's an adjective this is a news show
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Isn't that interesting
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I too appreciate that
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He's trying to walk a line
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Yeah
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He knows he knows that like I can't fucking present myself as a guy who's saying that
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my enemies politically are devils
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Yeah I won't be taken seriously I won't be taken seriously
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Yeah I have some pretense of wanting to be respected
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Yeah
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Oh man I think I might be able to get a show on an actual network at some point
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Yeah that is that is interesting and I mean what's kind of interesting about it is that
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at the time I think he's right you couldn't be out and out the demons are coming to kill
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us all
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Yeah probably not
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And people wouldn't take you seriously
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Well I think Alex certainly didn't have a big enough career
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Right
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He wasn't a big enough star to be able to absorb whatever blow might come from that
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And then I would say probably right around what like the tea party movement whenever
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they swept in 2010 that's really when it all was like started a change where you could
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just talk about demons all all you want
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Well I mean what is that Hunter S. Thompson quote when the going gets weird the weird
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turn pro
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The weird turn pro you got it
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You know when the normal is the tea party on the right
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Yeah
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You know whatever you are as Alex Jones
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Gotta go weirder
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Gotta escalate a little bit
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Yep
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Yeah I don't know I obviously don't know for sure if that is when sort of more overt conversation
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about demons and shit happen
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Yeah
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Because I don't think it did I think it was later
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You think so?
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Yeah I think that we did not see nearly as much these people are the fucking devil when
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we were looking at 2015
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That's true that is true
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So I think I think it might be more recent than that
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Yeah
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But I find I find this glimpse at 2003 really really interesting and this next clip I think
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Alex has to stop himself
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Interesting
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From saying that these people are demons
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Okay
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And this clip would not stick out to me at all if I didn't know what he does now
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So so what you're telling me is that like a demon trying to get out he wants to call
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these people demons okay just just putting that out there
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And so imagine being at the hospital you've already got your four other kids with family
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and friends you're there your babies are hanging on for life and literal I'm sorry creatures
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show up and are cornering you with their beady eyes what parent frankly what parent wouldn't
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probably fluff out at that point
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Doesn't that sound
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Literal demons he was about to say literal demons
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He was
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About to say literal demons I'm screaming at you through the future you I mean you were
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there the whole time
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Doesn't that sound almost like someone had told him dude don't fucking say that you're
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fighting the devil we need like Ted Anderson told him there's no way we're gonna be able
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to sell gold with you yelling about the literal devil because he said sorry he said literal
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long pause sorry creatures
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Yep wild and see this is this is a piece of evidence circumstantial obviously yes not
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definitive but it works towards answering the question that I have had for a while which
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is is Alex's I'm fighting the devil thing a new thing right or is it something that
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was there underneath all along and he was pretending that that wasn't what he believed
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and I kind of think that this looks like
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It's not smoking gun but I'll be goddamn if it doesn't really sound like you're on the
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right track gumshoe
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It feels like that is at least a minor indication that Alex has this idea that his enemies are
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literal demons yeah and he was covering that belief up for the sake of appearing respectable
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yeah yeah and I'm interested to see if there's any more flickers of that indications but
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that made me that's laugh really hard
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perks your ears up yeah yeah but isn't it interesting too that like that clip would
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not be at all it wouldn't sound off any alarms unless you knew that 18 years later yeah screaming
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about literal demons everywhere all the time all the time yeah that's so ridiculous yeah
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I'm oh that's annoying I don't I don't like that he's a liar I'm mad at him in the past
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for lying to me Dan you should be up front if you think your enemies are literal demons
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you should tell me yeah front yeah I think it would be more responsible to the audience
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yeah because don't you don't you tell me that you're hiding that there are literal demons
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everywhere because you're supposed to be the truth teller right on your own show yeah and
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you're pulling back whenever you know that literal demons are killing everybody don't
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Trojan horse the literal demons at the talk of like the Federal Reserve and all this stuff
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that's not fair to the audience totally anyway yeah Alex is a guy who's against the Iraq
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war totally totally against the Iraq war but since it weirdly fine with the idea of deposing
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Saddam Hussein in this next I mean you gotta I tell you what I just got I just I can't
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believe it I can't believe people we had operation Iraqi freedom okay great Saddam's a thug great
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can't we have operation American freedom yeah why not you know Bush wanted to turn all this
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around here but he didn't he put more funding into the Department of Education all these
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other groups and I can't we we have the conservative the real conservative backbone to do it how
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Chris do we force the Republicans that control everything now to finally get rid of abortion
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to finally just acts these social workers how do we do it so apparently we want operation
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American freedom right in the mold of operation Iraqi free exactly and that involves getting
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rid of social workers right abortion there we go okay we did it that is a complex series
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of steps you need to get to those three things being related to each other at all I don't
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like it no I don't like it I don't like these callers I don't like this guest no no I think
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these people are literal demons no no I've been hiding that belief this whole time so
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this caller has some bad things to say sure I'll just say bad sure sure sitting here listening
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to Alex you asked him a few of the questions he answered for me one aspect about this demonic
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side of it one place in the scripture where Messiah got very angry and that was when with
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children he said you suffer these children to come to me for such as the kingdom of heaven
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and these people are not letting them come to him they're like doing what Alex said they
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learning Islam and all kinds of a multi cultural crap it's called math Virginia Chris I'm in
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Virginia weird weird question that's a very strange thing yeah that's a very strange thing
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to add on hey hey where are you by the way yeah I think that this is a bit more anti-Muslim
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than I expected it to be yeah because I think the presentation that Alex has is very much
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like and I had no problem with Islam or anything like and I think I got the sense that his
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his anti-islam stuff kind of escalated yeah and to be fair you know that's coming from
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his caller yeah but yeah yeah that doesn't surprise me I'm I would be Islam in the schools
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saying that Islam is just multicultural crap yeah like it's what the fuck is this freedom
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prize just yeah whatever you want just just fucking shut up yeah so this caller wants
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to know where in Virginia Chris's organization is and they Alex has to stop now I'll tell
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you they told my son to find the square root of something roots are in the backyard my
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friend that's devil worship that's what I'm telling you right now go find the square root
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of Vega get digging why don't you go find a switch so yeah they chat about where they
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are in Virginia and Alex has to be like guys what are we doing why did you ask him so unfortunately
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they end up stopping that very pleasant conversation it does sound nice to take another call that
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might have been a mistake oh very good guest you got on there today I wanted to ask him
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a couple of questions because I know that there is that the when we won when an American
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becomes a 14th amendment citizen our status of law changes because we are no longer sovereign
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freemen and have exercised sovereignty are talking about privileges instead of rights
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and you only have about a minute left what's your other question well I wanted to ask him
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how he approaches the legal defense standpoint for you know from that particular thing he
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got asked this question a year ago on this show and he said from a constitutional perspective
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correct that's right that does not answer the question no no it seems like there's a
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fair amount of sovereign citizen callers at this point I like this career it is it is
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funny because it seems like he also really doesn't like them the well I think he recognizes
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how silly a lot of the arguments are and how they make it look bad what he's doing at the
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same time he's making a show that is essentially catering directly to sovereign citizens yeah
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yeah there's a lot of yeah and actually there I didn't have any clips of this because it
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was just too all over the place but a good maybe half hour of this episode is dedicated
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to Alex arguing with a caller about the Republic of Texas sure there's this idea that like
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Texas should secede and he's like yeah I tried to support all that stuff but everybody kept
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declaring themselves the president it's really funny but at the same time there was no way
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to cut clips in a way that would make it work it's so funny it's so all right fine I could
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just declare myself a president maybe I'm a general I don't know who to get in touch
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with and he keeps calling them fruitcakes I he called he uses the term fruitcakes to
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describe the Republic of Texas people like maybe five or six times yeah very specific
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wording yeah made me think maybe he has a personal beef with somebody it's it is it's
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kind of funny it's it's a little bit like somebody like starting a roller rink and then
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like just hating people who roller skate yeah or like hating hating people who use like
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uh inline skates yeah yeah yeah this is a four wheel only yes yeah yeah the law says
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I have to let you skate okay this is America not according to the Magna Carta what so Chris
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Chris leaves he was not that much of an interesting guest just kind of like very reactionary against
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social workers pro homeschooling did not drop a mixtape did not yeah warned everyone about
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the homosexuals come to take your children sure sure very different cool so Alex gets
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to some headlines and this one is a load of shit we're back live we're going into a world
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where you're a good decent person you're an enemy of the state because you're not you're
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not a criminal they can't trust you you might fight what they're doing you might fight the
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world they're setting up that's right that's what happens when the evil are in control
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government lawyers say burglars need protection this is one independent by Robert Verkart
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legal affairs correspondent government lawyers trying to keep the Norfolk farmer Tony Martin
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behind bars will tell a high court judge tomorrow that burglars are members of the public who
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must be protected from violent house holders so Alex is misrepresenting this case that
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he's covering to make it appear that it the system is now just out to protect criminals
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and punish the good people which is code for white Christians hey if people aren't committing
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crimes you can't trust him so this is an article about Tony Martin a man from the UK who shot
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at two young men who were breaking into his house which resulted in the death of one of
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them the issue here isn't that Tony was wrong to practice self-defense it's that the court
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didn't believe that he was acting in self-defense in the shooting the incident happened in 1999
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at which point Martin did not have a license for the shotgun he used in the shooting problem
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number one he'd lost it five years prior when he supposedly found a man stealing apples
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from his orchard and proceeded to shoot at him leaving a hole in the man's vehicle hey
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a point of order you you know added to this was Martin's very publicly known hatred of
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the Romani people who which was referenced in a Guardian article from 2000 quote apart
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from thieves Martin's pet hate was gypsies nor which crown court heard that the farmer
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had talked of putting gypsies in the middle of a field surrounding it with barbed wire
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and machine gunning them the article goes on to say that Martin had said quote Hitler
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was right about these people and also points out that Martin's uncle Andrew Fontaine was
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one of the founders of the straight-up fascist National Front right right right so he was
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a Nazi the prosecution the problem here the prosecution successfully argued that the shooting
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was not an act of self-defense but that Martin had laid in wait and shot these intruders
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without first giving a warning this wasn't the sort of case that Alex is portraying it
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to be where the burglar is hurt by someone practicing legitimate self-defense and then
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sues the homeowner for it it's a clearly unhinged lunatic with a history of shooting at people
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with a clearly racist past using deadly force against intruders to his home who had not
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presented a mortal danger to him and according to the British courts that was not an acceptable
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use of self-defense yeah I'm gonna go with yeah yeah so I don't know I Alex tries to
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play this game where it's like yeah you know if someone breaks into your house and they
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slip on a banana peel they can sue you or something like no they can't no no they really
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really can't you have to kind of go way out of your way to be the one who's convicted
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of a crime in that scenario and that's what this guy did yeah if someone is like presenting
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a danger to you you do have the right to self-defense if someone does not and they're in your house
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you have to tell them to leave before you shoot them dead I would try I would I would
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open with excuse me that would be yeah so Alex has some very interesting similar problems
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in his life in 2003 as he does in the present sure one is that boy these calls just don't
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work out the difference though is in 2003 Alex could handle it sure grace yeah let's
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just go ahead and talk to go ahead and talk to yes Mike in Illinois and then tip Oh Tim
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in Texas is next okay well you know what I'm gonna do I'm gonna talk to Mike in Illinois
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Mike in Illinois are you there okay he's not there who did you want me to go to Tim in
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Texas all righty you're on the air Tim Alex how you doing pretty good I quit wow wow
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that is such a normal that's a breath of fresh air just being like oh this is a minor setback
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and we're off to the next one I quit not a big deal we're just going to rebroadcast
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this is annoying but hey everybody bear with me yeah that's the vibe that I got there everybody
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bear with me as opposed to doing a live radio show all failed me yeah we're doing live radio
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show sometimes there's a little bit of a hiccup this happens yeah that's normal that's called
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professionally Alex present-day not normal no no no so you know there was that talk with
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the Texas folks about how they're all weirdos and sure one's the president yeah but everybody
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can secede if they want sure Alex is very pro secession natural 2003 yeah Indiana you
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know has the right to secede it's not just Texas or Hawaii Texas and Hawaii have stronger
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cases because from the beginning they never signed the contracts but but but but still
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sir it's a Civil War question they will send federal troops in they will lay seas they
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will burn cities and the average person people were a hundred times more educated about real
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politics and liberty in the 1860s and they are now that's correct in the 1860s the Confederacy
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was full of New World Order moles was designed to lose from the beginning responded by the
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British to break the country up both sides were controlled in that that's true so apparently
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the the confederacy was full of globalists I do I do like how people who study the Civil
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War so obsessively change their story all the time quite quite frequently usually when
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you study something you refine it and the story becomes clearer and the picture is easier
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to understand and you have a full awareness of what's going on New World Order moles whereas
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it seems as though their study of the Civil War involves just rewriting it to whatever
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it is you want it to be at any given point in time even if it's the same day what if
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it's like you what if you find something that sounds more fun how can you be global how
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can you be Confederate royalty if your royalty is just infiltrated by New World Order globalist
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it's not like everybody was New World Order and how is it possible for everyone to be
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just so well informed when the national rate of reading is like 10% listen it was the New
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World Order was run in the Confederacy okay fair enough uh look dude false flag Civil
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War that's pretty much what he said yes yeah he said it was a false flag Civil War everything
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is fake nothing is real except Alex's conviction to the truth yes yes yeah yep yep wow oh boy
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Confederate false flag Civil War yep should have seen it coming I should have so there's
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a commercial for the Genesis Communications Network sure and I think that this I just
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wanted to play this a little bit of it because it sounds really weird is mainstream media
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telling you everything you should know about the war on terror what is our real interest
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in Iraq and Saddam Hussein who stands to gain if we give up our freedoms in the name of
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national security who's behind the manipulation of our financial markets and why we're the
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jury you be the judge we're the GCN radio network are you tired of being lied to by
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mainstream media well so are we and we're doing something about it we're the jury you're
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the judge uh what does that mean we've already decided and you have to pass the sentencing
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who's the executioner uh double back to we again also the jury doesn't talk are you like
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the prosecution metaphor sucks uh your honor the jury has something to say and they say
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no no the jury does not the audience is the jury you do not get to be the jury we're
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the attorneys you're the jury somebody on the jury just stands up hey I think I can
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do a better job of this lawyer and shit get this prosecutor out of here somebody wrote
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that because like judge jury and executioner is an expression it's like this sounds pretty
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good yeah uh didn't think about it for even one second no no using good job GCN Ted probably
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wrote that so Alex comes back and he's got to be in his bonnet because there's a holiday
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that bush right uh-huh George W the evil one yeah he's got this holiday well I mean they're
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both evil he's got this holiday the whole family's dude honest it's not about them it's
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about this holiday about the holiday listen to this one neo colonialism is the new world
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order and they're coming right out with this in mainstream news oh don't worry the White
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House is going to have loyalty day loyalty to the government day to be celebrated in
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all the schools and nationwide that's terrifying it says our children will be taught that the
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nation is a force for good in the world extending hope and freedom to others being part of the
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Imperial Army to grab all natural resources and enslave everyone's children sure loyalty
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day coach and the person that sent me this email and I went to the White House and got
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the actual article that written by the White House it said when do I get my black boots
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and dagger you know like the Nazis right right right right but it sounds real good loyalty
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learning that we're this this good force in the world now loyalty to the government so
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two things that jumped out at me there like the first is that in 2003 Alex is clearly
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fully aware of the colonial exploitation that is part of our country's history yeah he completely
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denies totally in the present and the second thing I was thinking is like man he would
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be totally fine with a holiday called loyalty day if it was like a nationalist extreme right-wing
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government everyone had to be loyal yeah yeah on loyalty day we have a big military parade
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oh I love loyalty days my favorite day there's bombs yeah if it was his thing what a what
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a fucked up thing to have a loyalty day do you know how that's so fucked up it would
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be like if every morning kids had to go to school and recite some sort of yeah every
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morning that would be so fucked up be very weird yeah loyalty day is just one yeah also
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I would be remiss if I didn't point out that loyalty day is a holiday that's existed since
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1921 and it was an attempt to replace the communist leaning May Day or as it's also
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known International Workers Day that holiday marks the date of the Haymarket riot which
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was something that the American government in the early 1900s was eager to not glorify
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we don't want to talk about workers uniting we are still mad there's a weekend so yeah
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they didn't want to endorse workers rights which of course was communism and so there
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was this idea of loyalty day coming in on May 1st to take over for May Day yep the holiday
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itself didn't catch on until 1955 during the Cold War Red Scare when Eisenhower made it
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an official holiday in the United States and every president since 1958 has recognized
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and proclaimed the holiday see if you can guess who said this quote now therefore I
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Donald J Trump president of the United States of America do hereby proclaim May 1st 2017
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as loyalty day this loyalty day I call on all Americans to observe this day with appropriate
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ceremonies in our schools and other public places including the recitation of the Pledge
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of Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America I also call upon all government
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officials to display the flag of the United States on all government buildings and grounds
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on that day who said it ah I gotta go with Clinton do so close Trump oh every time yeah
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I thought you were trying to trick me nope it was not a trick so the very ideology that
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created Alex Jones is the same ideology that created the idea of a holiday called loyalty
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day to express loyalty to the United States in the face of a communist menace exactly
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Alex understands so little about the hysteria and insanity that created his political identity
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that here he is rambling about the direct result of his ideological forefathers and
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pretending it's some kind of an evil event that Bush wanted to create he's much more
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palatable and seems happier in 2003 and he doesn't freak out when he can't get to a caller
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but he's still a total idiot yeah it's almost as if conservative reactionary ideology is
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essentially an ouroboros that creates an outrage and then later on gets outraged when they're
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outraged created a thing for them to get outraged about yeah and as I understand in 2017 there
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was like some people who were you know like Trump is creating loyalty day is a fucked
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up holiday the pledge of allegiance yeah but if you trick yourself into thinking that this
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is the first one ever or whatever or you present it that way then you deprive all the context
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of it yeah and you're just using it as a as a prop yeah and it's it also seems almost
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a little insulting I think to to imagine that in whatever year it is that was the first
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year they thought of loyalty day listen we've had plenty of fascists run in America for
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a long time they've thought of loyalty day every time workers tried to unite they were
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like okay here's what we got to do pledge loyalty the to the 120 hour work week like
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that's what they were doing yeah it's the it's the byproduct of anti-communist freak
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out yeah and so is Alex yeah exactly yeah so stupid yep so one of the other differences
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that I found when I was looking at this episode between present-day Alex and back then is
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he seems like to understand that movies aren't real at least a little bit interesting folks
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we're in the twilight zone somebody listen to me it's it's like in the 1950s version
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of the body snackers you know where the doctor goes to town they've taken over he bust out
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he's running he's in traffic up the highway wake up they're after you there we're in danger
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somebody listen to us oh it's so scary it's like that yes yes it's similar to this it
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is not a reference the plan and they were not telling it to you by releasing that movie
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yeah yeah it's uh that's just a corollary yeah there's a disconnect between this idea
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that's represented in media and reality as opposed to them merging together in some weird
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to use an Alex Jones word gestalt yeah yeah it's nice to hear people know the difference
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between movies and realities it's comforting yeah at least because when I listen to this
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I can be like all right we all agree that we breathe air yeah that's there the time
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moves yes entropy is real yeah okay and that's comforting because I don't feel bad in the
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present I definitely don't it is it is a real bummer going into the past and finding things
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that are more positive than the present because you're like you want to live in a place where
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hope exists but when we do this we're like man isn't that nice and then you remember
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where it goes and you're like oh it could happen it could happen to you it could happen
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to all of us at any point in time you could just forget how movies work yeah that is that
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is a little bit scary it's it's humbling you know there but for the grace of uh literal
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demons go high we should all be careful to not hide uh that we secretly think that we're
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fighting demons if you think you are fighting demons tell someone yes you try to keep it
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a secret for too long you turn into Alex Alex in the present yeah we've got a perfect example
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oh boy you are what you pretend to be gonna figure out a way to make an infomercial out
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of that lesson not sure or not an infomercial like uh sure what am I thinking of uh psa
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that's it yeah psa yep yep so Alex believes that the us is evil sure but he loves the
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united states there is a problem there I was listening to this next clip and I just got
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confused this is a such an evil evil country I love this country but when you really face
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how bad things have gotten and how there's this icky facade everything's good mom and
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apple pie patriotism it's not real it's as fake as those plastic chinese flags it's as
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fake as the boxes that said made in usa and st louis when bush gave that speech with the
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made in china taped over it is a rotten facade under it is maggots and rotten meat the stench
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of this thing is just everywhere it's freaking me out we gotta warn people we gotta stand
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up for america we gotta fight with this country I just love this country so much I love my
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family so much and I can't believe we let it get to this when Alex fake cries in 2003
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he's doing a Clinton impression I was I was like is that Phil Hartman doing Clinton yeah
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is that a wonder I really heard Phil Hartman there yeah when he's faking emotion it sounds
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like a bad Clinton now bill I think that you're doing a great job yeah we gotta warn people
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it's ridiculous it's so silly so I thought that was weird and I thought that was like
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a completely artificial presentation of emotion and sincerity totally but I started to think
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like okay so there's some there's some patriotism and apple pie and all this is is a facade
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yeah and underneath it is just rotting maggots and what have you sure what do you love them
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like what do you think he loves it's right there in the title if he's saying that like
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this country is evil right right but he loves it right but it's a rotten thing like a fake
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lid on it yeah isn't he is he just saying I love the lid yeah he likes the lid make
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that why not make the whole plane out of the black box Dan what do you what do you not
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understand I don't fully understand what it is that like he's hoping hoping to save if
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it's rotting underneath with a fake yeah it seems like yeah you'd expose the you take
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the lid off and you'd realize oh yeah maybe we should go I don't need I don't need what's
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in this rotting it seems weird I don't yeah I don't feel fully that I understand yeah
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yet from listening to this like what it is that's like what is what isn't rotten totally
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to be saved right I would guess that it's guns sure property rights loyalty to your
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country no absolutely not not yet yeah hating school sure sure sure whites only yeah yeah
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I don't I don't have a full grasp of like Alex's entire policy set in 2003 yeah like
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I think I understand a lot of stuff through the prism of like listening to thousands of
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hours of his other content but like there there's gonna be some stuff that's gonna be
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surprising and I don't want to make too many assumptions yeah you know I was I was listening
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to that clip and thinking about all the stories of people who listen to him at this time period
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and we're we're kind of drawn in by that and I was thinking about my understanding of politics
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at that time like as the Iraq war is going on it totally felt like I was the first person
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to discover how evil America was totally it was like I had been told all of this stuff
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all the way up until I'm 16 years old and then the Iraq war happens and they're like
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maybe you should read what real history is and not your school stuff and then I it really
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did feel like oh man but this is before red pilling became the meme that it was but it
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did feel like that and then you listen to Alex go like this is a rotting thing and you
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can you can really get that sense of like yeah that's how I feel yeah I don't have sophisticated
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political opinions yet I just know that this is some bullshit yeah yeah you know on a on
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a pretty surface level there is a presentation that is almost perfect yes for exploiting
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disillusionment yes and and that is definitely a period where there's a lot of people who
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are feeling alienated and disillusioned from uh what they had the world as they had been
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brought up to understand it totally and I think that you and I though we're a few years
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apart we're both you know a certain men of a certain age when the Iraq war sure sure
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we were not wild hogs yet we were youth yes and and that's that's a period where people
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are generally they go through a period of disillusionment of course of course and to
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have that compounded by something as something that should disillusion and yeah yeah yeah
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yeah it's it's it's something where you know those feelings that you're having you could
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see them mirrored in something like Alex talking about the the rotten core in the facade over
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it yeah you could you could see that and you could gravitate towards that yeah it's interesting
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to think about how much goes along with it that you might not realize that you're also
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accepting yeah of course like that homosexuals want to take your children worse absolutely
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yeah yeah because you that's how liberals got tricked into thinking he wasn't I mean
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you're driving you you're listening to this you're you're on a 20-minute drive right you
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pop on Infowars because you're like I'm disillusioned and this guy's pretty funny and and you only
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get 20 minutes where he's doing the anti-Iraq war stuff and you don't listen to the half
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hour he does with the gays are coming to steal your children you know and you're like arguing
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about the Republic of Texas yeah exactly like you you could totally be sucked into that
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and and it's it's much more believable like as like the the notion of like him having
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a large audience if you listen to it in the presence like yeah fuck what in God's name
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yeah it's much more believable when you look back at this totally not petulantly having
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outbursts all the time right the presentation of emotion is generally within like where
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he would want it to be to make a point yes yeah and he's still got that dynamic range
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of like he can get it up there high and he can yeah but it's it's not out of control
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yeah yeah although it is silly that when he's feigning sincerity he sounds like Clinton
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that is a little bit weird I don't know yeah that was that was very strange yeah so you
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know the Civil War was a false flag we we learned this yeah and it also it turns out
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that you know in grocery stores they're putting in the self-checkout line sure right that's
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how they steal your children right well eventually okay but first they're going to transition
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these self-checkout lanes into fingerprint scanners where you're gonna have to have some
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sort of a mark of the beast or whatever in order to buy groceries we're never not gonna
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do mark of the beast I want to be done with mark of the beast can't we do about I'm telling
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you we just got to be done with you can't do it they're gonna do this biometric scanning
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stuff at the grocery store and then you're gonna have some sort of a Christian who's
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gonna go bomb biometric sure natural it will be a false flag right right this is presaging
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our people are going to bomb 5g towers and it's going to be a false flag yep yeah this
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is not inevitable but you have to lead the charge you have to go boycott H-E-B and Kroger
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and Safeway when they put thumb scanners in for self-checkout lanes because they put in
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the self-checkout lane first then they tear out all the lanes and make you thumb scan
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it's already happening Home Depot already starting it we're still doing self-checkers
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and about six months later they put in the thumb scanner then they get rid of all the
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employees make you do your own bagging but that's a sub reason why we're against it what
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really against this because of the taxation the control the tracking if you go and you
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fight it now we can stop it you wait till it goes in everywhere folks then it's then
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the government's gonna blow stuff up and claim there's a Christian right-wing group it's
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against the biometrics and so if you're protesting it you must be really with this group that's
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gonna be the plan there I hate to give them ideas but they already have the idea I can
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tell where they're going that's what they're gonna do you're against pro-abortion stuff
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it turned out the feds have done all the bombings sure it's always the government one guy actually
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did some that admitted he did it and we don't know if he's mind control or not oh okay okay
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we're talking about uh sure I don't know who could be anybody just talking about there
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but like yeah okay so all all the abortion clinic attacks that have happened it's all
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the facts except for that one guy and we don't know if he's my we don't even know if he's
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mind controlled so it could still be the feds that one's on the fence oh boy that's as close
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as I get to admitting that it could possibly not be a false flag everything that was on
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the foot everything's fucking fake that's that's the thing that I find really exhausting
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about this uh this glimpse into 2003 is like everybody is a fucking communist and everything
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is fake yeah he's talking about like all kinds of folks like uh uh joe scarbrough is an ultra
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communist well that's that's turned out to be a prophetic uh prediction there who's the
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other person to be labeled a communist on this episode fuck I can't remember it was
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another it was another right wing guy I can't get over the pettiness of like look oh no
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it was chris matthews chris matthews well but he's he's an ultra commie obviously no
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I just love the like they're putting finger scanners in there they're gonna do all this
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shit second problem I don't want to do my own bagging side issue that's a side issue
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I'm putting that in there and no it seems petty right now compared to the fingerprint
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scanner that is not the patriot's main complaint it is a complaint we do not want to bag our
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own groceries it is inconvenient I always put the eggs in first I only ever get 10 eggs
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I've never been trained on how to bag things these people have training um yeah silly also
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great prediction uh that they put in the self-checkout stuff and then the next thing is a thumb scanner
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I don't think that I've ever scanned my thumb at the grocery store I've never scanned my
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thumb at a grocery store I would I would almost prefer it to scanning a credit card eight
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years eight years on self-checkout uh pretty ubiquitous yeah thumb scanning not even really
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in the conversation I don't think in terms of and nobody you know most people's problem
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with uh self-checkout line isn't doing your own bagging it's when you get stuck behind
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somebody who shouldn't be using the self-checkout when they have too many items well not just
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that whenever they're clearly uh not bagging material if you will wow yeah um I don't have
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many complaints about self-checkout I kind of take everything in stride sure you do so
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yeah everything's false flag uh there's gonna be Christian groups that are gonna bomb biometric
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places and it's gonna be all fake all these predictions have been fantastic yeah Alex
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Jones is constantly right about everything I'm gonna be real mad if the when we do start
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getting those biometric chips because we there are there are biometric things in little augments
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that you can have you can put little electromagnets in your fingers and stuff like that yes sooner
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or later we're going to have an implantable chip of some sort and some that are available
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now I know but like one that will be uh that final that like ipod moment of an implantable
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chip you know where all of a sudden this thing didn't exist and then it's everywhere and
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it should be called the mark of the beast I think it's possible that that that technology
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will go along that line but it's equally possible that it doesn't I don't know I don't know
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I don't know if there will be an ipod moment like that I don't know but it better be called
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the mark of the beast we got Soylent that's real yeah and we don't talk about Soylent
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start uh I don't know we gotta find out but it became real so why not the mark of the
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beast you gotta find that episode of Alex's show he's gotta be furious about that would
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he be furious about that yeah that would be fun definitely okay next thing you know this
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guy is gonna be starting a business where he uh has robot trash trucks go get the bodies
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any moment now they're gonna have implantable chips and it's gonna be called the mark of
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the beast listen yeah I've been taking the piss out of Alex a little bit on this episode
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really just sort of mocking yeah some of this is stupid it is but you have to recognize
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Alex Jones is a hero and in this last clip we learn about something that maybe isn't
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in the history books but it should be Alex saved a lot of lives you laugh you laugh okay
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okay where'd we where'd we save all these lives Dan you gotta stand up for this country
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and you gotta do it now they're trying to pass hate crimes legislation but it's just
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like the smallpox shot the truth was out on that grassroots the people refused and now
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the government launching a smallpox attack which they were planning to do guaranteed
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has been stalled they didn't do it Alex stopped a smallpox attack by publicizing information
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about smallpox attacks he stopped it you could I mean look he said it obviously it's true
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he saved so many lives I do you mock look sit here and you laugh at a hero some of the
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benefits of having a narcissistic personality disorder in that you can't invent your own
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crisis is to become the hero of hey it's amazing that is nice I've never felt like a hero well
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quite in the way of saving millions of people from a small time maybe you should pretend
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that you stopped I really think that would probably make me feel better yeah I mean if
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you're doing a costume or like a pro-con kind of analysis of your career sure in the pros
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are things like that yeah I'm a hero yeah I'm a hero I've saved the world ten times
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over yeah no matter how many things you've bungled it's kind of easy to convince yourself
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it's a net positive fake it's all worth it because I saved the world from a smallpox
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attack yeah yeah love that kind of stuff nice yeah so this was this was a little bit of
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a fun trip 2003 in order to you know get our toes back in the water for for what will probably
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be an unpleasant present-day episode certainly disgusting nonsense spouted by a monster not
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looking forward to it yeah but it will happen it's gonna now I think if I had to sum this
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up like the reason that I thought that this episode was like really key sure it's that
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moment where Alex says literal sorry yeah yeah when he stops himself from saying literal
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demons it's so important it's right there yeah it is if we can demonstrate if we can
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find more instances of Alex stopping himself from talking about the literal devil in the
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past I'm I'm gonna my mind's gonna be blown so you're saying that you're gonna be the
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jury and I'll be the judge and then the audience will be the execute executioners I don't know
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I don't know how this works we will we will be court reporters okay and the audience could
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be an audience can I can I be the stenographer I want to play with one of those ticket you
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can't you can't type fast oh come on um so yeah we'll be back on Friday with another
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a episode but until then Jordan we have a website we do have a website it's knowledge
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fight calm on Twitter we are on Twitter said no go to bed Jordan Facebook we are this iTunes
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if you could please find a local charity or bail fund in your area to help out people
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do a God's work right now yeah we'll be back but until then I'm neo I'm Leo I'm DZX Clark
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I'm Daryl Rundis I invented Liberty Day Andy in Kansas you're on the air thanks for holding
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so Alex I'm a person color I'm a huge fan I love your work I love you
