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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.

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It's time to pray.

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I have great respect for knowledge fight.

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Knowledge fight.

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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys.

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Knowledge Fight.

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Andy in Kansas.

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Andy in- Andy in- Andy in-

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Stop it.

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Andy in K-Andy in K-Andy in Kansas.

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It's time to pray.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the year.

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Thanks for holding us!

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Hello Alex, I'm a fiction caller.

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I'm a huge fan, I love your word!

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Knowledgefight.com

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're Double Dudes.

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Like to sit around, drink novelty beverages, and talk a little bit about Alex, son of dentist

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Jones.

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Son of David Bowie, Emmerich Jones, yes, yes, absolutely.

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Uh-huh.

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Dan.

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Hey, Jordan.

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Quick question.

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Jordan, excuse me.

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Forgot how to pronounce your name for a second.

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What's up?

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What's your bright spot?

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I got an interesting bright spot for you.

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Sure, sure, what do you got?

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So as you walked into the apartment today, you might have noticed that I have a couch.

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You have.

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In the living room now.

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Most of a couch.

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I built this couch that came, that I ordered, and unfortunately, as I was building it, I

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noticed that one of the back pieces was broken, and I was trying to install it, and I actually

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stabbed myself in between my pointer and middle finger.

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That's a deep one.

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Yeah, and it's a really bad place, right on the web between your fingers.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's the worst paper cut, and instead you got stabbed with a couch.

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Yeah.

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That's no good.

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I thought there had been stabbed by couches.

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Y'all ever seen a couch stabbing?

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Y'all ever been stabbed by a couch?

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You might be a redneck, you've been stabbed by a couch.

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Yeah, so I got stabbed, and so I needed to get a replacement part for it, obviously.

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Naturally.

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Now, I ordered this couch from Wayfair.

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I should say that I ordered it before the conspiracy started.

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This was, I can confirm it was ordered before.

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It turns out that there was a child inside of that couch.

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Family of six came on the couch.

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No, I ordered it before the conspiracy started going around, and in fact, when I saw the

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conspiracies come up, I'm like, hope that doesn't delay the couch.

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Hope this doesn't get in the way of my furniture.

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And so it came, and it was broken, and I got kind of disappointed.

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I got a little bit pissed off, because I'm used to dealing with really terrible customer

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service.

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And I called the Wayfair customer service people, and of course, because of COVID and

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stuff, there was a delay.

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I was on hold for a good 25 minutes or so.

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But as soon as I started talking to somebody, the guy was like, I am so sorry, let's figure

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out what we can do, expressed another part to me.

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And then, without me asking, took 20% off the couch.

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It was the best customer service I've experienced in so long.

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So I can't, you know, I don't think these conspiracy theories.

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Listen, hey, if you sell kids, you sell kids, but I'm going to be honest, great customer

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service.

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I don't think these conspiracy theories are true, and in fact, I think that Wayfair might

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be my favorite company that I've had to deal with.

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It's a small sample set of companies that I've really had to deal with customer service

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with, but they were above and beyond.

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Imagine if Comcast was like, let's figure out how to fix it, I'm going to have to send

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you to somebody else.

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In Illinois.

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So the other thing that I was, I decided like, this guy is so nice that I'm just going to

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go for it.

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Yeah.

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I was like, hey, I don't...

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Do you love me?

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Yeah.

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I was like, this is probably a fucked up question to ask you, but you guys...

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Are those kids?

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You guys been getting any calls about that conspiracy stuff?

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And to the guy's credit, he, you know, was very diplomatic because, you know, you can't

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answer that question.

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No.

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He was, for risk of saying something wrong, you got to be sort of delicate and he was

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just like, I will say that I have gotten calls.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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I started thinking about how much of a bummer it is that this guy who just is excelling

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at his job treated me as a customer so well.

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Of course.

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Still has to deal with people calling in and making accusations probably.

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We got to make some fake conspiracy theories about companies that really suck.

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Make those people have to deal with...

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Like Comcast absolutely probably sells children inside of their fucking modem.

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That's why they're all named so stupidly.

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The problem that I have with that is like the people who are answering those calls don't

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deserve that.

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Like to have people call and accuse them and yell at them about stuff.

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It's not their fault.

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It's not the people at the call center's fault.

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I don't want, I don't want it to be directed towards them at all.

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Universal basic income.

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And if you work for Comcast, you get what you deserve.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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So anyway, My Bright Spot was dealing with customer service from way back.

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Surprisingly.

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Ironically.

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Yeah.

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Considering the world as it is.

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Yeah.

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How about you?

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My Bright Spot is all of the very nice things that people have said to me.

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Wishes of condolence and support.

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My aunt did die Friday morning.

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I'm sorry.

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So yeah, that was back Friday morning.

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So that's, that's all at least complete, you know?

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So that is what it is.

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Thank you to everybody who has sent very nice messages.

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And there was a St. Jude's card, I don't know, I forwarded that on to you from Mary.

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I saw that.

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I didn't get the chance to take a look at that, but yeah, yeah, yeah.

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What was that about?

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There was a donation made in your aunt's memory by Mary Catherine, a listener of Mary Catherine.

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Oh yes.

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And so that, yeah, that got sent along from St. Jude's.

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Oh, that's wonderful.

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Thank you very much, Mary Catherine.

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I'm looking at that right now.

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It's a, that's a very nice e-card.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That's very, very nice.

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So sorry that you've had quite a weekend.

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Ah, it was a whirlwind.

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Family's rough, Dan.

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Don't do it.

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That's what I've heard.

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Don't do it.

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I'm a pass.

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A hard pass.

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See, I'm coming just to the, I'm coming around on the other side of it.

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I'm starting to actually like my family a bit more as I grow slightly healthier.

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But I certainly understand the, the situation that you're, you're, you're describing.

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Ah, it'll happen.

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But welcome back.

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Um.

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We're back.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It was good to take a little bit of time off.

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It was necessary, yeah.

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For, for your sake.

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And then I, you know, I had speculated on Friday's episode that we'd have another episode,

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um, with maybe some, uh, guest or whatever, but I, I thought about it and I realized like

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it's just not as much fun without you and just, you know, if you're, if you're going

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through something or, you know, taking some time, let's all just take some time.

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Listen.

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You don't need to tell me.

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I am great.

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I get it.

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Don't worry.

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That's the point.

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Um, so Jordan, today we got, I don't know what to tell you.

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What, how does there nothing to tell me that Stone is tossing around, uh, diet n-words.

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What are we doing here?

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We'll get to that in a second.

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What are we doing here?

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We'll get to that in a second.

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There's got to be fireworks, Dan.

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Well, so here's the thing, um, this is not going to help the arguments that I am Alex

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Jones.

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Alex has been, he's been out of the studio.

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You got, what is happening every single time?

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How long has he gone?

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He, he was gone, uh, Sunday, he had people filling in on Monday.

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He called in for a little bit and then Owen Troyer hosted and then today as we're recording

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Tuesday, uh, David Knight and Owen Troyer hosted and Alex called in for like 20 minutes

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at the beginning of the show and yelled about China and some shit.

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So he got, he listened to our episode on Saturday.

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He was like, well, Jordan's not going to be there, so I don't need to worry about the

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Sunday through Tuesday because he still doesn't realize we record on Tuesday.

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You know, he'll be back to work tomorrow thinking, well, this will be great for their Wednesday

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episode.

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That's not how we record Alex.

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I mean, I don't know what's going on, but it's really suspicious.

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I mean, I'm not saying that he's planning breaks around us, but look at this.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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How many, how many are we on?

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You had a bereavement break that we had to take that was on pretty short notice.

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Very short.

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Alex has gone gone Monday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday.

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What's the point.

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It's not going to be on knowledge.

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Fight.

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What's the point.

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Now a month ago we had to take some little time off cause I was moving out, went on vacation

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right when I was listening.

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We might be the only people listening.

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What's the point of him doing his show if he doesn't look, I'm not going to do a standup

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show to zero people in the audience.

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That's a fair point.

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At the very least.

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I know I've got two people in the audience and I honestly think that this is one of those

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rare situations where the hecklers improve the show immeasurably take the art form and

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we elevate it very slightly.

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I don't know.

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I don't know what to think.

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I'm just starting to like, if I was a little bit nuttier, I would really be convinced there's

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something to this pattern.

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Okay.

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Quick question.

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But I'm not that, I'm not that into ascribing importance to coincidences.

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So is Wayfair selling a cabinet named Emmerich?

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Ooh.

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I don't know.

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I'm just saying.

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We got to look.

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I'm just saying.

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There's a possibility.

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That's actually the name of my couch.

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Well, what's in there?

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So what we've got is Alex's Friday show.

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The last one he did before he left.

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We got the July 17th, 2020.

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I'm Dan.

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This is 2020.

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God damn it.

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And- This is the worst year.

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The more you've said the year, the worse the year has gotten, Dan.

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Yeah.

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Maybe there is something to, I should probably stop that.

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I'm starting to believe that you're some sort of weird, unfortunate, ignorant, omnipotent

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being.

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I hope not.

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I certainly hope not.

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What you think comes to being, Dan.

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Then I need to get back into mindfulness meditation.

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You got to.

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You fucking got to.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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Well, anyway, we're going to go over that episode and it's a mess.

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It's stupid.

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And at the end, it gets really, really inappropriate and very fucked up.

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Of course.

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In a way that I probably normally wouldn't cover, but because Alex has been out of studio

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and honestly, I don't know what to do with this situation anymore, that I generally err

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on the side of not covering.

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Right.

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I'm talking about his son.

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Yeah.

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I don't know what to do anymore, so we're going to talk about it a tiny bit.

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He's old enough now.

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Well, I don't know.

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I still have a little bit of uncertainty of exactly how to deal with things and how to

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treat him as a media entity.

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But at the point where Alex is constantly pushing him to the forefront and having him

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on his show, I don't know how I give a free pass.

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I don't know how I just ignore.

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Too late now.

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I don't know.

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If he was like 15, I would 100% ignore.

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Of course.

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I would absolutely have hands off, but he's moved out apparently.

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Alex keeps saying that.

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He's living on his own.

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He is ostensibly an adult.

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Of course.

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I don't know what to do.

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Anyway, we'll talk about that more at the end of the episode when-

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Can Gavin McGinnis tell you more about tits?

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What's on the news?

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He might have learned a few things from Gavin, and we'll see about that in a moment.

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But before we get down to business on that, Jordan, we're going to take a moment to say

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thank you to some folks who have signed up and are supporting the show.

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So first, Captain Mud and Chops.

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Thank you so much.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Captain.

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Thank you.

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Salute.

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Thanks, Keith.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much, Sebastian.

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And then finally let me say thank you to a couple of people who donated on an elevated

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level.

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much. So first of all, Janina J. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. And Matthew C.

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Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat. I'm a policy wonk. Crikey, mate. That's fantastic.

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Have yourself a brew. How's your 401k doing, bro? We got to go full tilt boogie on this,

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Watson, all right? Let's just get down to business. We ain't making that money off that heroin.

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Why are you pimps so good? My neck is freakishly large. I declare info war on you. Thank you so

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much, Janina. And thank you so much, Matthew. Yes, thank you very much to the both of you.

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I have a little bit of a mea culpa and an apology to make to you, to myself, to the audience,

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and to a hot sauce company. I, unfortunately, due to carelessness, sloppiness, lack of rigidity in

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my workflow. Let's just call it user error. Sure. I lost a Q&A episode that we recorded. It was

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about two hours long, and I pissed off that I lost it because we told the story of how we met.

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I discussed a lot of stuff about my taste in hip-hop when I was younger. It was long.

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Exhaustive, encyclopedic details about Anticon records and all sorts of nonsense. It was

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impressive. Yeah. And then also, we did a taste testing of Peggy's vegan hot sauces that a

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listener sent us. Oh, yeah. And we had such a revelatory experience where you realized that

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you loved hot foods. I loved hot sauce. I loved every one of those hot sauces, and I was fine.

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You thought that you couldn't handle them, but we had really hot versions of stuff,

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and you were just fine and enjoying it. And I thought that was great. And then also,

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some of them were avocado-based, and I thought I was allergic to avocados. You are not allergic to

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avocados. He came to a very self-revelatory kind of situation. And now, I can't find the audio,

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and maybe I'll be able to find it one day. Maybe it's somewhere in some weird folder that I have,

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and I just don't know where it is. Don't Look Dad is the title of the book. It could be.

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That's possible that it's somewhere, but I can't bank on that. And I feel really bad about that

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because I really would have loved to share that with the listeners. But there's a second reason,

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and that is because there were a bunch of shout-outs for listeners and donors on it,

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and I didn't keep a record of the names that we shouted out on that. And there were a bunch.

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So here's what I want to say. We are behind on shout-outs, and we're working on ways to get

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closer to current. Unfortunately, one of those ways was doing these Q&A episodes.

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That was kind of a big strategy we had.

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I kind of shot myself in the foot here.

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There was that.

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But we have some plans to be able to get closer to current in the future. But right now,

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because of losing this Q&A episode, I do not know some names that need shout-outs.

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So if you are listening and you haven't heard your name shouted out and you have donated

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before May 15th, please send an email to knowledgefightatgmail.com, and I will expedite it

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to the front of the row, and we will make sure that we make everything right. I am not good at

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this, Jordan, and I need to get better.

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Dan, the rest of the podcasting world is just like,

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thanks everyone for donating. That's what they say. That's what they do.

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We shout ourselves in the foot before you ever even tried to record the Q&A.

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I like playing drops of Alex saying funny things,

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and I enjoy that some people like to throw some funny names.

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Of course.

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And also the funny fake names. People like hearing names. I enjoy that aspect of it.

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Please let me know, though. We want to make things right as best we can,

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and we'll try to do that.

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Of course.

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Now, Jordan, in lieu of an out of context drop, I do think, you mentioned this earlier,

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and I do think that it is relevant, and that is that over the weekend, or maybe,

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I don't remember exactly what day it was. I believe it was over the weekend. Roger Stone

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was a guest on a radio show.

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Tossing it out there.

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He might have used a little slur, and so let's check in on Roger pretending that his phone-

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He didn't. It didn't work. It was a bad connection.

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But I also believe that your friendship and relationship and history with Donald Trump

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weighed more heavily than him just wanting to make sure that justice was done by

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a person in the justice system, that you were treated so unfairly.

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There are thousands of people treated unfairly daily.

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How your number just happened to come up in the lottery,

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I'm guessing it was more than just luck, Roger, right?

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I don't really feel like arguing with this Negro.

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I'm sorry, what was that?

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Roger?

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Roger?

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I'm sorry, what did you say?

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Shit.

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Shit. I'm sorry, you're arguing with whom?

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I thought we were having just a very spirited conversation. What happened?

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You have reached the phone of Roger Stone.

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Would you not like to have a conversation, sir?

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If you would like to be rat fucked, please leave your name at the end of the beep.

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I hear that the line is not dead.

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You're back. I don't know what that was.

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Were you there?

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Yeah, I was talking and you said something about Negro, so I wasn't exactly sure.

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I did not.

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Oh, okay.

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You're out of your mind.

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You're out of your mind.

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Okay. Well, we'll let the listeners decide. Let me go to the next question then.

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Well, whatever.

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We'll let the listeners decide. And I've decided that was definitely Roger saying

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what he claims to not have.

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Yeah, totally. He didn't say that.

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Now, I think there's two things here. One is a joke and one is a terrifying sort of reality.

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The joke is this would be a great Twix commercial.

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Chew it over with Twix. Just Roger sitting like, ah.

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Second, the reality is this is so indicative of casual, just flippant use of these sorts

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of terms. Anybody can pretend like, hey, it's not a hard R or something and pretend that.

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But you know what? You're sitting there and you didn't say, I don't want to argue with this guy.

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Yeah, no.

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Roger said that word for a reason and it's because he's a big old racist.

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Yeah, he's a big old bigot. I don't know why you had Roger Stone on your show first off

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other than to say what he did.

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Wow.

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Everybody got what they wanted out of it.

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I think it's all bullshit. I was so mad that people were,

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I don't know why you have Roger Stone on your show now.

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Yeah, I think that it's not necessarily the best booking,

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but I can see why he is of the moment in terms of the news.

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He is a relevant topic and if you can get an interview with him where you're allowed to get

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a little confrontational, I don't know if it's the worst thing in the world. I agree with you

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though, I don't know what you expect to get out of it.

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Like also what question was that? Why would you

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bother answering a question that you already know the answer to?

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Roger Stone has been on a, please Trump, I have been your friend. I will do anything for you.

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Give me a pardon or a commutation tour for a long time. And then he got it. Of course he got it

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because he's his friend and he promised he would do whatever Trump wanted him to do.

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Don't ask a question that would make Roger have to be like,

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well, I think this was justice being done. Fuck off. We all know why he got it.

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Yeah, but I think that's why, is he's poking. He's poking a little bit,

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hoping to elicit some response. You just don't expect the response to be

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Roger saying to someone who he thinks can't be heard on the phone,

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I don't want to argue with this. And it's the best thing for both parties involved.

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Roger Stone, what is somebody going to think differently of Roger Stone?

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Yeah. What can he do? You already knew he was a bigot. Now he just said it out loud.

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It's pretty shocking though. I was not shocked at all.

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Here's what I'm saying. I understand what you're saying and I agree with you.

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Yeah.

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I think it's shocking because of the casualness of it. Not hearing Roger use

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offensive language. I think it's shocking that his mouth was near a phone that he knew was doing a

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radio interview. See, this is what I'm saying. Lean into it, man. You're free. You have to,

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at this point, how do you not feel like you're untouchable? You can't change anybody's opinion

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of you and you literally cannot go to jail. State charges.

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Fly around. Start robbing fucking banks. State charges, dude.

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That's what I'm all about. State charges can't be even pardoned.

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Like any part of the justice system fucking cares.

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That's a fair point. So anyway, this has been the Roger corner.

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Yeah. We'll check in periodically whenever he says really fucked up things that he thinks

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aren't going to be recorded. Apparently, I didn't listen to this, but apparently he's

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been denying that that was him. He didn't say it. Oh, he was denying it wasn't him?

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Was it Dan Vadanti?

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It was probably Dan. No, it was Credico.

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Credico. It was Randy Credico.

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It was Randy Credico doing an impression.

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Is Randy Credico doing a great Roger Stone impression? We've been here before.

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He's one of the only people who can do a good Roger.

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So we jump in here on Friday the 17th and the things that are in the news, certainly

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Portland, also the Twitter who's just hacked. So Alex is talking about how a bunch of people

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had their Twitters taken over and used for a Bitcoin scam. Or was it?

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When the Twitter hack happened, I recognized it was a message right away about who got hit.

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Clearly, the Bitcoin scam was just a cover for who was really behind it, what was going on.

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And you better believe it's Antifa.

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Patriots inside US intelligence.

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Damn it. You were way off. Way off.

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Completely the wrong direction.

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We're giving Patriots credit?

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Yep, that was Patriots.

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Oh boy.

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So the good guys and intelligence did that and then the cryptocurrency thing was just a cover

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and Alex knows this because of who got their accounts.

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Alex is just making this up.

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Oh man. There's nothing that the good guys and intelligence would try and fake more than

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Jeff Bezos attempting to give money away.

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Sure. I mean, Alex's take on this will end up being like it was the good guys letting

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them know that they've got all their DMs.

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Yeah, they've got it.

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All right. Alex will get into it a little bit more later and we'll talk about it then.

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They can pedophile ring you. Secret indictments, Dan.

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Sure. So every, oh God. Okay. Every second is precious is a lot of the theme that's going

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on here with Alex at the beginning. And he's also wasting a lot of seconds. This beginning

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of the episode is not good. It's really fucked up, but it's not like Alex isn't drunk. He

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doesn't appear to be high or anything like that, but he's just like off. There's something

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off about him and I don't know what it is. And it just turned me the fuck off through

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most of this episode. Like I found, I found his demeanor to be rough.

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And again, ladies and gentlemen, there is just so much unfolding and it's such a historic

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time that we are all in. I just want everybody to think about each millisecond

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lost is, is precious. People are ready to hear the truth. Now, America is fighting a global

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consortium, literally trying to bankrupt this and cause a giant race war and break our back

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forever. Do you really want that? Even if you, again, are an atheist sociopath,

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you wouldn't want the country to go belly up.

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Almost no one is going to get more power out of this, except a very tiny group.

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And they're doing it and they're already in power. They're going to hurt their own investments in

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their own system because it's a spiritual fight and they are slaves executing an operation.

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So please think about visiting and fall more store.com. We have the Christmas in July sale

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going right now. What the fuck is this? What is this? So I don't, I don't know if that

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clip really fully encapsulated, but you can see, you can feel a little bit of the staccato rhythm.

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There's, there's something off about his, his sort of way of being on the show. And I can't,

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like even having listened to all of it, I'm not like necessarily setting something up or teasing

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anything. I just don't know what's going on. There's, there's, there was a feeling that I

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had that was a little bit different and it made me uncomfortable. But what makes me more

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uncomfortable is that Alex has a guest pretty early on and that is a millennial Millie, Millie

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Weaver. Oh God. Rainbow snatch. Okay, here we go snatch. I don't know if her investigation into

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the sunshine movement has borne fruit yet. The sunshine movements? She's, I assume, forgotten

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that. You don't even remember. No, I do. I do. I didn't remember immediately. I had to stop and

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think about it. She came on a week back and said that they had mirrored the entire server and they

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were so much, they had to dig through it. And then, yeah, I mean, they talk about it a tiny

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bit in this appearance and she says that like, uh, she's still got a mole on the inside. I don't

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know. I don't know what's going on with this. I haven't heard her come on Alex's show and really

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break down any specifics. I don't know what's going on. I'm going to guess it's nothing.

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So far. I would assume if she's dropping bombshells and they still haven't figured out who

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the mole is, I would assume that either these are bombshells, there is no mole or the sunshine

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movement don't care. They probably don't. I would say all three. Who knows? Yeah, I would take all

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three. Anyway, Millie's really dumb. And here's one of those instances. And one of the things that

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they talk about also Alex is that they actually believe that the sunshine movement is going to

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also Alex is that they actually believe that COVID-19 is a result of climate change.

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So they include that in there as part of climate justice.

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And because of the climate change caused it, we've got to make XYZ changes. Exactly.

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It's always the same. And they also say they'll COVID-19 is good because it's going to teach us

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to lower our carbon footprint. That's what this really is. So Millie is talking about Biden's

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climate plan and such. And I don't really care about Rainbow Snatch's stupid interview. She's

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showing up on the show to claim that Joe Biden is secretly a radical and that if he gets elected,

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he's going to use climate change fears to introduce his own climate Gestapo full of SJWs

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who want to force you to use different light bulbs or something. It's very stupid. And it's

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very difficult to listen to. I pulled out that clip though, because I felt like it really well

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captured the insincerity and lack of curiosity in the right wing, particularly in people who

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have anointed themselves as the people in the world who are responsible for conveying information.

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If we're to believe Rainbow Snatch, she saw some Democrats connecting climate change to COVID-19

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and her response to that seems to have just been rejecting the idea, not exploring it any further

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and then bringing it up condescendingly on Alex's show. So as to give the audience the

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permission to reject the idea as well without doing any further analysis. What kind of idiot

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would say that the weather affects viruses? Anyways, a week ago I said that when it gets hot

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viruses don't work anymore. So what's the point here? Shouldn't a person who has taken on the job

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of disseminating information hold themselves to a higher standard than what we're seeing here?

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Shouldn't they feel like it's their job to actually understand the topics they're discussing

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before mocking them as nonsensical? I would bet anything I own that Rainbow Snatch could not

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explain why people would connect COVID-19 to climate change and I would further bet that it

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never even crossed her mind that she should look into it before discussing it. Why would you?

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She heard the connection, decided it was liberal lunacy, and moved on. Oh liberals. If she cared

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about the reality she could have learned something by actually engaging with material and reading up

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on the subject, which is actually really important this topic is in terms of the future of the planet.

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If she wanted a nice boil down of the topic she could have read ProPublica's piece from May 7th

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titled, quote, how climate change is contributing to skyrocketing rates of infectious disease.

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The number one threat to humans in terms of unknown and undiscovered infectious diseases

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are animals that live in habitats like dense forests and, quote, wild and remote places out of

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reach of humans. Under ideal circumstances the animals, like certain bats that carry diseases

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and humans, you know, they would never make contact with most of them under normal

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circumstances and there'd be very small risks in terms of them infecting people and it's spreading

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to human hosts whatever they're carrying. However there are a couple trends that have been happening

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that affect things that make the world we live in not ideal. The first is that we're engaging

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in massive deforestation around the world seeking to turn wild land into areas that we can use to

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make money. The second is climate change making previous habitats inhospitable to animals causing

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them to move like to seek out new sources of water and food or just good living. You saw a wolf in

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Chicago! Yeah I did. Yeah and sometimes because of these moves and these migrations they end up

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closer to humans. These two forces combine to increase the chances that animals that could

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carry new and novel infectious diseases will be in closer proximity to human settlements and also

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increase the likelihood of them infecting a person and causing an outbreak. This is a very real

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concern but it's not even the entirety of the concern from climate change as it relates to

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disease. From this ProPublica article, quote, roughly 60% of new pathogens come from animals

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including those pressured by diversity loss and roughly one-third of those can be directly

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attributed to changes in human land use meaning deforestation, the introduction of farming,

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development, or resource extraction in otherwise natural settings. Vector-borne diseases, those

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carried by insects like mosquitoes and ticks and transferred in the blood of infected people,

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are also on the rise as warming weather and erratic precipitation vastly expand the geographic

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regions vulnerable to contagion. Climate is even bringing old viruses back from the dead, thawing

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zombie contagions like the anthrax released from frozen reindeer in 2016 which came down from the

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Arctic and haunt us from the past. This is not some new idea that people have just trotted out

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because of COVID-19. You can easily find a retrospective study in the journal Environment

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International from January 2016 which discusses the history of scholarly literature on the

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connection between climate change and human infectious diseases. If you read even a little

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bit of the information on the subject it honestly starts to become laughable that anyone would think

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it would be possible for climate changes not to affect infectious disease transmission. For

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instance, why is there certain seasons for diseases? If the seasons shift a little bit do

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you think that would have an effect on the disease seasons? No, flu season is just like a general

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vibe, man. I feel like we're in flu season, you know? It's sort of like, you know, I just know

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when I see it. If they had known they would have let Rudolph play in those fucking reindeer games

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and instead they all got fucking anthrax. That's what happens. That's the story they don't want you

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to tell. Yeah. Santa didn't make it. Oh no. That light was not enough. You should have had two

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headlights. Jesus. And bam, anthrax. Like you should have had the wallflowers guiding your sleigh.

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That's one headlight, sorry. Here are just a couple lines from the Environment International

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study that I'd like Rainbow Snatch to think about. Quote, a pathogen needs a certain temperature

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range to survive and develop. Second, quote, climate change may cause shifts in precipitation

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which affects the dissemination of waterborne pathogens. And then finally, quote, the pathogens

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of airborne infectious diseases such as influenza tend to be responsive to humidity conditions.

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For example, absolute humidity and temperature were found to affect influenza virus transmission

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and survival. The factors related to climate go on and on in terms of infectious diseases.

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It's a very large, very, and I know, I know, I know that you and a lot of people listening

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are probably like saying, of course, but she's mocking this idea. Yeah. So I'm treating it like,

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oh, you don't understand. No, no, no, no, I understand completely. Because from everything

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I can tell, she must not understand. She doesn't. Otherwise she would get that this is a very real

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thing. No, completely, completely blindsided by the idea. It's weird. That we live in a global

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ecosystem where in one thing, even though you think it's unreal, one button you think is

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unrelated to every other button press actually sets off a chain reaction of button presses

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leading to consequences that you cannot understand unless you, I don't know, dedicate your life to

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studying it. It seems to me that like in order for this to be true, like her feeling to be true,

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or this like mocking of this connection to be true, she must like take issue with all

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germ theory more or less. They all do. Right? I mean. Don't wear a mask. It has to be a complete

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denial of. Viruses are God's wrath on you about having abortions. Of course they don't believe

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in germ theory. It's very weird. Yeah. There are a ton of ways that the changing climate can lead

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to very real new dangers in terms of public health, even if you're only talking about the

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subject from the perspective of infectious disease. So when Rainbow Snatch wants to come

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on Info Wars and hand wave away the subject, I find it kind of difficult to take anything she's

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saying seriously. When I say that these people like Millie and Alex are not serious people,

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this is a great example of what I mean. When they encounter an idea that seems like a problem for

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their worldview, they don't consider the idea and try and understand it. They immediately decide

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that the idea is liberal nonsense and then make up their own story about it. That's not good work,

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but it's all these people are capable of. That's why when Alex sees this Twitter hack,

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he's just decided to write a little novella about it. Yeah. That's what all the people on

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Info Wars are capable of. So it does not surprise me that on every interview that Roger Stone did,

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they did not make one of his major credits former Info Wars host Roger Stone. They left that one

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out suspiciously. And maybe coming back to host a new war room with Owen because the guy needs a

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paycheck. He does need a paycheck and nobody else is hiring him. I think Alex might be in a better

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negotiating position. I'd have to pay him quite so much now. It sure would make your news outlook

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look kind of silly if you're like, we're having former Info Wars host Roger Stone on.

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Yeah. Every single introduction for every interview should include he got sued for

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lying about a guy on Info Wars and had to apologize and tried to blame an underling.

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Yeah. How fucking dare you say that he was anything other than an Info Wars host now.

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Mud-slinging pile of shit. Fuck off.

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So anyway, Millie Weaver talks a little bit more about stupid things. And one of them is that,

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so Alex doesn't want Trump to do a virtual convention because he's strong. He's a big boy.

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Now the Democrats are going to do a virtual convention

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and Millie has an interesting theory about why. Let's hear it.

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What do you think is going to happen to the convention? They're trying to make everything

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virtual. I don't think Trump should give into this fear he should have his convention. The

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Democrats are going to have a virtual convention. Oh, you're going to be covering it.

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Yes. I think, I think Trump needs to push forward as he would have normally pushed forward.

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I think the reason they're creating all of this is to try to hide the fact that Joe Biden doesn't

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have as much a support as they would hope for him to have, try to hide the fact that he's really

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weak at debating. He has issues from his strokes and whatever else, but I mean, they know that his

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policies are going to be called out. They know that Trump is going to be the person to lay out

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just how bad Joe Biden is. And I think that they're just trying to avoid that.

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Does Millie think that there's going to be a presidential debate at the democratic convention?

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What does she think a regular convention would require of Joe Biden?

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Blood sport.

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The virtual convention does not. He's just there and then he talks.

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He has to vanquish every Senator in debate.

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This is not medieval times. We don't choose at night for one section of the DNC

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and then the other, and they have to joust with Joe Biden.

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Intellectual jousting. They have to debate. That is part of the democratic national convention.

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They want to hide the fact that he doesn't know how to debate

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with all the people who already agree with him.

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Right. He's won the fucking nomination already.

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It's not like, what's going to happen to everybody if they were there? They'd go,

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yay. And somebody powerful would give a good speech like Obama's that would catapult them

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into the presidency next.

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Well, I also do think, I mean, there is something to be said for, you know, if there is a convention,

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there would be a certain contingent of people who would be protesting.

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There would be some people on the left who'd be protesting at the democratic convention.

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Hell yeah, because fuck them, they suck too.

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And look, the issue there isn't like, you're not trying to avoid

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that by not having a convention. Like you could do that.

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Right.

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It's more about there's a pandemic.

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Yee, there's that.

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Right.

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There is that.

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But it's really about not being able to debate.

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Does she think that the DNC and the RNC happened at the same time?

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I don't know what she thinks.

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They're different. Like you have to talk to the other one. It's like a giant game of Red Rover.

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I honestly don't know. I don't know what the idea is of like,

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yeah, they're just going to have him on camera so he doesn't have to debate people.

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Yeah.

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What?

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Or hide his support because even if he doesn't have as much support.

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Sure.

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He can fill out a 10,000 seater.

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I would assume.

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You know?

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And like, if you're talking about this, if this is in the context of Trump and Biden debating,

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I mean, I'll listen to that. I don't know if they're going to do any debates.

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I don't know if they're going to, if they would do a digital virtual debate. I don't know.

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If that's the conversation, then all right. But if you're talking about the conventions,

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I don't know what you're talking about.

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I cannot imagine a reason for a debate. I cannot think of any reason to get the two of them to

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talk.

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It seems unlikely that you're going to sway anybody.

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It's silly. It's silly. If they debated, we're all just going to watch it and be like,

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can we vote for not America anymore? I don't know what to vote for.

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Yeah, I don't. I mean, in terms of tradition and there's always debates, you know.

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But yeah, there should be debates sometimes. But in this one circumstance specifically,

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there's no point.

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I don't know if I have an opinion on it. I think, you know, there's a lot of people who

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think it's important to have those debates and I can understand where they're coming from.

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And then I think that you have a very valid point that who gives a shit.

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Who cares what these idiots have to say?

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I think, I think, I think I would say that there's not many undecided voters.

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No, no.

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Well, you know, it's unlikely.

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Look, I get it. Trump is basically committing second degree murder every single day.

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And every time he speaks. But I really want to know what his new tax plan is going to be.

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Yeah.

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And I won't decide until I compare it with what Biden says his tax plan is going to be.

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Let's see.

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Get the fuck out of here.

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I would. Yeah, I don't know.

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So Biden, this question's for you. Is the president killing people right now? Yes.

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Next question.

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Trump, what is...

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Are you killing people?

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What is the executive branch?

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That is a fake question.

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That's a nasty question.

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Not a real question. Not a real question. I'm king.

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So Alex has decided that the Twitter hack is the good guys taking over parts of Twitter.

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Why not?

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And sending a message.

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Fine.

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So he expands on this. And now apparently part of Google has been taken over.

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I can't get into the specifics. I've been asked not to, but I can tell people that Google has

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been partially recaptured by US intelligence. It was always set up by US intelligence,

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but it had been handed over to multinationals and the Chinese.

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As far as Google goes, about three weeks ago, they began to buckle to whatever this

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internal war is, Millie.

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All right, whatever, man. This is a fun spy novel you're writing, Alex. But first of all,

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I don't think it's innovative in terms of the sort of just narrative structure.

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I don't think anyone's going to publish this.

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Doubtful.

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Doubtful. Did the British also recapture Fort Sumter or something?

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They might have.

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How do you recapture Google?

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I love the idea, too, that it's only part of Google.

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Well, I mean, it's so segued.

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Yeah.

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You know, like they don't have any hands in YouTube. That's a whole different department.

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Clearly not.

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Of course not. You can only conquer a sector.

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Molyneux's channel isn't back, so.

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It's like in a video game. It's like in those open world video games where it's like-

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It's so dumb.

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You conquered one region.

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So dumb.

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And now the rest of it you still have to, is enemy territory.

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Now Google is still operating exactly as it was before, but part of it has been taken over.

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There's a guy sitting in a cubicle and he has been annexed by the good guys in the government,

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but the guy next to him is still a globalist. We're working on it. It's a game of inches.

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We are disappearing people slowly.

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Well, speaking of that, I think, so it's Tuesday as we're recording this,

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so I can't actually say for sure that Millie's prediction didn't come true,

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because who knows? I mean, this evening-

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It's entirely possible.

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As John Gabris says on a podcast a lot, night's a puppy.

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Nah. All right. Okay.

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Don't know if, don't know what's going to happen this evening,

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but Millie will be wrong tomorrow if this doesn't happen.

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What is your view on Trump, the election with 108 days out, and what do you think's coming next?

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Well, I'm going to be careful how I say this, but there may or may not be some

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joint four stars having some problems on Tuesday pertaining to the New York Times op-ed,

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but that's all I can say. So as far as what's coming next, that seems to be in the works.

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Well, you're talking about how all the top generals have pissed on the president publicly

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ahead of the calls for a coup against the president.

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They think they're getting brownie points, and the word is there's going to be moves against them.

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Train in the swamp, you know? I mean, President Trump is doing his best to get it done.

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Yeah. So I guess cheering on, clearing out the military.

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So wait, we're trying to get written in loyalists.

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Don't they like- Oh, God. Pick a lane.

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Hey, Jordan, how many four star generals do you think are active right now?

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Six?

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Eight.

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Eight. There's only eight four star generals.

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I was going to say, that's why it's a real big deal to be a four star general.

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Yeah, they're way up there.

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It's like a huge deal.

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Yeah, and I don't know if she realizes this,

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the Rambosnatch, but all of them have made rank in Trump's term as president.

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That's because they're the swamp from Obama's time.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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Nothing means anything.

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Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what she's talking about. I don't know what,

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you know, obviously Tuesday's not over, so I don't know what's going to happen.

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There's a possibility.

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But they seem to be really excited about the idea of Trump crushing all dissent within the military.

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No, it's a fringe idea now, but I'd give it another, I don't know,

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30 days before the mainstream GOP is like, we should cancel the election.

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It's going to be a mainstream thought, not having an election. It's going to be brutal.

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So we haven't talked a whole lot about this because Alex hasn't really talked a whole lot

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about it, but there's been a lot of goings on in Portland. There have been nights upon nights,

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50 or so nights of protests surrounding the Justice Center there.

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Robert Evans wrote a great Bellingcat piece that is just right on, that gives you a real good primer.

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We're going to talk about his breakdown of this a little bit because I think it gives a lot of

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really good perspective on what's actually going on from a local perspective and from the perspective

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of somebody who's been there. I've watched a lot of his streams and then some other folks who have

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been streaming and taken in a good amount. On our last episode, I was saying that I don't have a real

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good sense of what's going on, and I still think that that's kind of the case. I've apprised myself

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and had, by the time we recorded last, a lot of resources of peoples, but I'm in Chicago.

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I think that there's only so much of a perspective that you can get without...

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You're not on the ground.

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Right, and to that end, I feel like it's a story that would be very difficult to cover,

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especially as it's still active and going on because of the distance from it. The same way

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that I feel like it would have been really hard for us to talk about the precise things that were

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going on with the autonomous zone. I don't know exactly. You kind of have to find some resources

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you can trust and go from there. We're going to talk about it a little bit because Alex finally

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actually starts talking about it, and I will say that his perspective is not good.

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It's great. I love military secret police. I want the feds to come in and take my property.

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He basically is...

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Of course.

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After seeing the video today, Senator Wyden wants to know who's in charge of those officers,

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saying when Donald Trump sends federal law enforcement into Portland with no accountability,

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core questions about the physical safety and civil liberties of peaceful protesters

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are sure to follow. Meanwhile, President Trump today praised federal police actions here.

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We're doing a great job in Portland. Portland was very rough and they called us in and we did a good

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job. All right, we are back. Now, why did I start this hour with that? I've watched

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probably 30 minutes of footage of what's going on there just last night.

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You have been sent in by the Democrats, sent in by George Soros with battle plans and action plans

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that we received from inside their criminal operation three years ago. How they direct

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us to try to get the general public to burn down federal buildings and other structures.

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So we'll talk about the specifics a little bit more as the episode progresses, but for now I

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just want to draw sharp attention to how the only primary source Alex ever trots out in these

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circumstances is that stupid fake Soros-Antifa contract that Harrison Smith found on 4chan

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a couple years back. This hoax ass document is behind so much of his argument that it's

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legitimately embarrassing if you actually take a step back.

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It really should be.

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So I was going through my files and I realized that I'd actually taken screenshots of all the

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pages of these fake documents since I was worried at the time that I couldn't rely on Alex to keep

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them up on his website. Like I figured it did get exposed as fraud.

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You would hope.

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So I wanted to have hard copies and I had them. I reread them. They're fucking hilarious.

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Yeah.

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I remembered that they were funny in terms of the idea of their existence, but man, it's so silly.

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For one thing, if you go to the section on approved practices, it says, quote,

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point of contact, DA Donnelly, do not name this individual in any comms or in person.

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Of course not.

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This does not leave this document.

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Okay.

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If that name is so secret that you can't even say it to each other in person,

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then why I ask you, would you fucking put it in a contract in the contract?

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That's so awesomely stupid. Just from an evil planning standpoint that like,

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if you think someone would do that, you probably watch too many movies.

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Don't you remember those pages in the nine 11 report where it was like the Saudis did it.

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Do you remember those, how they didn't redact those at all?

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Doesn't leave this.

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Yeah, this doesn't leave the document.

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The Saudis did it.

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No snitching.

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In this section, you'll learn that if you're a Soros Antifa agent and you get some

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hand to hand combat, quote, closed fists may be used only below the neck and above the belt.

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Well, that's just, that's just polite.

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But quote, open hands may be used wherever.

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Wow.

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It's Marquess of Queensbury rules, I believe.

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Unfortunately, Jordan quote, kicking is not permitted unless provoked with no other recourse.

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I had to kick him.

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I had to, no, no, no.

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He had my hands tied behind my back and I had to kick him.

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I had no choice.

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You get taken to Soros HR and they're like, you kicked a guy.

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You kicked a guy.

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You got to let you go.

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Look, what are we, the cops?

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We're not going to keep you on.

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So these documents are embarrassing and obvious fakes, but I started looking into it a little

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more and I found something really interesting.

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According to a recent article in Reuters, these documents have been resurfacing on social

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media with people claiming that they were found at a George Floyd related protest that

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some Antifa member had dropped them.

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Fuck off.

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This is how things always go with primary sources involved in conspiracy building.

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The same dumb shit will be reused over and over and over because people are gullible.

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If you need citations on that, look into the protocols.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, there's some added hilarity that can be found in this Reuters article.

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For the longest time, Alex has been saying that these documents are between Antifa and

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George Soros's son, Alexander Soros, because that's the only son Alex knows about.

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Right.

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In reality, the document claims to be from Friends of Democracy, which is a PAC that

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was founded by Jonathan Soros, one of Soros's other kids who Alex doesn't know about.

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Whoops.

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Also, these forged documents appeared online in 2018, but purported to be from 2015 in

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the aftermath and unrest in protesting surrounding the killing of Freddie Gray in April of that

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year.

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Now, here's the problem.

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What's wrong?

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Friends of Democracy didn't exist in 2015.

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Who says who?

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Says who?

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The SEC?

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It secretly existed.

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A year earlier, it had been reorganized and merged in 2014 with another group called the

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Public Campaign Action Fund, and the new organization's name is Every Voice.

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They're specifically a group focused on promoting the candidacies of folks who are running for

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office whose platforms include getting money out of campaigns.

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That's what they're about.

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At the time these contracts were supposed to have been made, the shadowy evil Soros

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company that is said to be involved didn't even exist.

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This is very sad.

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Even tragic levels of fraudulent shit going on here that Alex is trying to present as

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real.

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Matt, do you see what I'm saying about a debate?

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What is the point of debating with people who believe this shit is real?

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What are you going to say to them?

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I mean, you laugh.

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You laugh at this guy.

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Yeah, you're just gonna laugh at him, and then they're gonna be like, well, look at

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Joe Biden laughing at the honor, the sacred honor of the title of president.

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I think you do your best to not laugh at individuals for believing this, because it's

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easy to get sucked into something when you just let your critical thinking lapse.

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We've all done it.

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Sure.

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And it's not like, you know, getting fooled by something doesn't mean anything negative

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about you.

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It's not like, you know, you shouldn't feel ashamed.

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It doesn't always mean something negative about you.

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You shouldn't feel ashamed.

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You can feel embarrassed if you like.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You should feel embarrassed, and you should own up to it.

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Yeah, you can cop to that and move forward.

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I think the laughing at the idea of believing this is all you can do, because you can't

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argue with anybody who believes this.

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You shouldn't mock them, because that's kind of cruel, but you can laugh at the idea of

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believing that they would make this kind of a fucking stupid contract.

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Unreal.

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It's the best you can do.

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Unreal.

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You can almost feel the desperation in Alex, though.

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This guy, who he loves and helped get elected, is the guy who's doing all the things he

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spent his entire career yelling about the globalists doing.

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And the only way Alex can make it look like anything other than, like, he's just become

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a sellout for a dictator, is if he has this contract that proves that the enemies that

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his dear leader is using to justify his crackdown are actual enemies after all.

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Sure.

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Unfortunately, the document is fake, and Alex is a sellout for a dictator.

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This is really grim.

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I mean, like, the reality of the stuff that is going on in Portland vis-a-vis federal

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law enforcement is very in line with a lot of the stuff that Alex...

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I mean, it's insane.

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But you know what?

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I was thinking about this, and one of the things is, like, this is the part where the

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rubber meets the road, where stuff that Alex talks about is often, like, not fake.

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I mean, he's lying about everything.

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Of course.

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You know, the threat of federal law enforcement being used for law enforcement purposes

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domestically is real.

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That's never something that's been a joke.

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He was abusive to the concept of it.

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It's the same thing that I think about with, like, his FEMA camp shit is bullshit.

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And that's nonsense.

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Yeah.

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But it is based on, you know, a lot of fears that surrounded Rex 84, which was a real

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thing that was a plan to round up leftists and communists and immigrants and union

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organizers.

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Things like that.

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And it's not like it's that far in the back.

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You can turn and look at China putting people on trains right now, you know?

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Like, as far as the legitimate fear of being put into a camp.

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Sure.

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I was talking more domestically, but yeah, that's a fair point.

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You know, you can see it.

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Governments do do it.

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Right.

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You know?

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's the stuff that's like, yes, Alex, you were always yelling about, like, Jade Helm

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and all that nonsense.

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And, you know, you cried wolf too many times, and you never really meant what you were

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saying anyway.

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But now there is the game that you made your career playing, being done, and you're on

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the side of the people you've always warned about.

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And that's pretty sad.

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It's pretty sad.

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Dan, you either die a hero or live long enough to give up everything that you've ever

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believed in and only shill pills for a dictator.

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That's the quote from The Dark Knight, Dan.

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Man.

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Word for word.

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We got some interesting pill news.

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It was a really weird movie.

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We got some interesting pill news coming up.

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Oh, of course we do.

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So, you know, there's maybe about a week or so ago, there was that video that went

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around of unidentified, you know, not wearing any identification, officers putting people

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in unmarked cars, and these reports were corroborated, and that led to a much larger

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conversation about the goings on in Portland.

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And, man, Alex thinks it's fine.

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There's footage we played a few days ago of them ripping open doors with crowbars, going

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into the federal building parking garage, and then having to be thrown out.

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Yeah, here's some footage right here.

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These are people breaking into federal buildings, breaking into the federal courthouse so they

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can try to loot it with a hammer.

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And then they get upset and the headlines are, oh, secret police are disappearing people.

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No, you're breaking into a federal building.

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So, leaving aside that Alex is completely, like, sort of missing the point, dismissing

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the larger issues about what's going on in Portland, I want to take a moment to bask

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in the absurd and pathetic logic that he's using.

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There are federal agents acting in law enforcement capacities in the United States city, which

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is the main thing he's made his career based on screaming about.

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Obama was going to launch Jade Helm, Posse Comitatus, FEMA camps, they're going to round

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up all the Christians.

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That was his primary brand for years, and now we have an absolute clear-cut example

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of federal agents snatching people up in Portland, and what's Alex's response?

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They're breaking into a federal building.

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I just read it, look, look, nobody that I know has ever broken into or harmed a federal

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building ever, right, Dan?

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The people who were being detained by unidentified agents in unmarked cars, they weren't trying

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to break into a federal building at the time, but let's leave that aside for a moment.

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It existed.

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If I'm not much mistaken, Alex was a huge fan of Ammon Bundy and the occupation of the

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Malheur Wildlife Refuge back in 2016.

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Obviously a state wildlife refuge, Dan.

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If the issue with the protesters in Portland is the building they are trying to get into

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the parking lot of is owned by the federal government, that issue is going to pop up

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in the case of the Bundys, too, I'm afraid.

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Look, no one owns parks, Dan.

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So it can't possibly be a situation where Alex thinks that the unidentified federal

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agents have the right to scoop up civilians if they encroach on federal agents.

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They don't own federally owned things, because if that were the principle, then he would

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behave differently in other circumstances.

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No, of course, I mean, as we all know, Alex cheered the federal agents trying to take

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down the Bundys.

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I remember that clearly.

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Where things get messy is that Alex isn't covering the actual story in Portland, partially

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because he doesn't care, and mostly because he sees the optics he knows how to use, so

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he's using the story the same way he uses every protest story.

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He's using the tips of someone wearing a black mask, doing something that looks scary to

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old people in the suburbs, pretend it exists in a vacuum, use that perception to justify

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whatever police violence is used on the protesters, and move on.

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This is not a case of out of control leftists just trying to take over a federal courthouse

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to loot it, as Alex is presenting.

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And if you want a great explanation of what's going on in Portland, like you recommended,

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I would also recommend Robert Evans' article on Bellingcat, which does a great job of fleshing

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got to where we are now from the perspective of someone who's been there the whole time.

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I'm going to be honest, though, if you work for InfoWars, it is longer than four pages.

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That is true.

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I will say that right now.

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I actually don't know how large a font they use when they print things out, because Alex

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will say it's on page three of the website, and I don't know what that means.

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That's true.

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So as Robert lays out, things in Portland trace back to late May.

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On the evening of the 29th, the city had their first protest related to the murder of George

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Floyd.

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This was happening on what would be about the third night of a group called the Youth

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Liberation Movement occupying the steps in front of the Justice Center, and that is where

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the protests ended up converging that evening.

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A large group surrounded that building and eventually broke in and trashed it.

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From Robert, his article, quote, I watched all this happen from feet away, and it's my

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opinion that the destruction was unplanned, yet more or less inevitable.

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You could feel it in the mood of the crowd.

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The third precinct in Minneapolis had just burned.

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There was absolutely no way Portland wasn't going to try to do the same thing.

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The police showed up, and they dispersed the crowd using tons of tear gas.

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Protest is by definition supposed to be something that's kind of confrontational, because that's

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the way these things work.

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As such, things coalesced around the Justice Center as it took on an actual as well as

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symbolic importance to what was going on.

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Nightly protests would occur at the Justice Center, and they would often result in police

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tear gassing and shooting pepper balls at protesters, all sorts of issues with offense.

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Then on July 11th, US Marshals straight up shot a guy named Donovan LaBella in the head

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with a rubber bullet for no reason, which people didn't like.

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This was one of the more egregious examples of this consistent pattern that started to

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form of police violence that has taken place in Portland and is now being carried out with

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the involvement of federal agents.

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Alex's entire career demands that he be on the side of the protesters, but of course

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he's not.

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Ultimately, I have to make peace with the fact that this podcast, you know, that we

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can't do everything that I want to, and that this can't be everything.

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Yeah, and it would be impossible for us to give the best, most accurate coverage of this

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unfolding and very much still ongoing situation in Portland.

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So the best thing I can do is say and reiterate two things.

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The first is to seek out sources of information that offer larger context, preferably people

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who have been there and know what's going on.

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The second is that there's absolutely no more explicit and damning example of Alex Jones

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completely giving up the charade that was his career than his siding with the federal

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government here.

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If you're a listener of his show and you accept this mealy-mouthed, but Antifa made Trump

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send federal troops and act as police bullshit, and you accept the backup of the fake-ass

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Soros documents, you're a sitting duck for whatever Alex pivots to.

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Just give it up.

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You are a fucking leaf in the wind just being blown along.

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Well, you might think you do.

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I mean, it's got to be painful.

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Anyway, I just see this as like another one of these, these like, wow, Alex, you don't

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realize, or maybe you do realize that just like this, how big of a deal this is based

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on your whole career.

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We'll be able to let people know more when feds start disappearing people in Chicago,

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you know, next week.

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Yeah, I mean, we'll see.

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Trump has not, and you know, there have been some signs that might not stay contained to

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one city.

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No, no.

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I just, I still maintain that if any of our congressmen or people under the age of 50

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had the will to do it, if they showed up on the front lines of Portland and made it an

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international incident that the federal government is disappearing our own politicians now too,

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that would be the way to move forward.

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And they're not doing it.

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Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know.

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I don't, I don't know if that, I feel like that would move the needle.

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You would hope, you would hope, you know, that means that there's no, that would, that

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would mean that there's no limit.

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I don't fucking know anymore.

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You're fair.

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I also have no fucking clue.

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So it's, but it's tragic to me in the sense that like, you know, I always kind of hope

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that Alex will have some sort of backbone about...

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You would think there would be some line that couldn't be crossed.

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No, no, no.

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I mean, Alex spent like, I mean, countless scenes and various quote unquote documentaries

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of his yelling at people in fatigues who happened to just be walking on the street, you know,

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like people who do exercises, you know, when they do a training exercise, he'll do a week

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of content about it when Obama was president.

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Yeah, yeah, of course.

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And now it's just, it's such a complete betrayal of what he pretends to be about.

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I mean, even if it was like a, if it was a leftist group of proud second amendment leftists

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of which there are plenty, that the federal government literally came and took their guns

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away, Alex would still be like, see, you got to take away guns sometimes.

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Well, see, I think you're right.

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I think he would find a way to rationalize it.

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And part of the reason I think that is because of how he talks about it in this next clip.

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They're asking, well, who are these men?

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A lot of them are federal marshals, but most of them are US military attached to the hostage

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rescue team.

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So it's the military.

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And that's why you're getting grabbed and why they're driving you off.

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And then you're getting interrogated because you work for a foreign power.

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You work with a chai comm globalist, literally trying to burn the country down, destroy the

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stock market and bankrupt the economy.

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You're a bad person.

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You're a military operative.

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You're an enemy combatant.

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You're not an American citizen.

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You said no borders, no wall, no USA at all.

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You go around bullying people with hammers and guns and weapons and you kill people and

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you shoot people at four way stops because they don't stop fast enough.

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Alex, I think is losing it a little bit there, but that's how you'd rationalize no matter

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what, no matter what it's the, they're not even American.

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Right.

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That's what you have to do.

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That's what you have to do.

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We are now, we have been at a cold war with our own citizenry for so long.

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Now the feds are just doing what we should be doing.

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I guess.

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I don't, I don't know how you can say these things as someone who's made their, uh, like

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their premise, what Alex has and not recognize just the, the, the, the worminess of it.

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I don't even know another word for it.

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That's definitely not the right word.

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But Trump came out and said that, uh, in fact, Bush did not do nine 11 and it was exactly

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as we said it was.

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And, uh, I agree with him.

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I'm going to be honest.

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Nine 11, not an inside job.

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I'm just going to say it right here.

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That would not surprise me anymore.

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I wouldn't.

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Right.

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There's nothing.

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Hey, uh, I looked into it, uh, read, uh, okay.

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Yeah.

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And actually I never really thought it was an inside job.

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We had conversation, right?

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We talked about both sides.

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We talked about both sides in all my movies about it.

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Yeah.

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That's sad.

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Oh, it's real sad.

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Now.

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I mean like, of course what you do is you, you label the people enemy combatants and

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therefore they can be kidnapped and interrogated by the military.

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And this isn't a big deal.

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I would argue that like, all right, I was a hundred percent against and opposed to the

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occupation of the Malheur wildlife refuge.

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Right.

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If the, if the military was coming in and like at night when everyone's sleeping, you

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started disappearing people and you'd be like, that's too far.

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I would be against bodies.

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Hey, now the shooting of Lavoie Finicum.

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I don't like the idea that someone ended up getting shot.

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Now, granted the circumstances surrounding that are not as clear cut as just the police

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shot somebody.

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Sure.

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But I'm against them shooting anybody.

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Yeah.

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I would like for that whole situation to have ended without anybody dying.

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Yeah.

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But like, I, I, I think they're like terrible.

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I have no time for that bullshit.

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And still, I would say that if they were being treated the same way, the people in Portland

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are being treated, I would be on the Malheur side.

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I would be opposed to their occupation, but I would be a larger, higher order problem.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Look, we'll deal with your occupation.

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We got to deal with this whole government going crazy.

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Look, there's a lot of animals and this is like native American land and should not be

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doing this.

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No, I'm with you.

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This is wrong.

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But seriously, the government's disappearing people.

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We got to deal with that first.

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You'd think that Alex would be capable of that kind of...

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It would.

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It doesn't seem hard.

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Thought.

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It's possible to disagree with the political aims of these people in Portland if you decide

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to do that, if that's where you are and still recognize that like, oh, hey, that's my marquee

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issue.

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I should probably be on the right side of this one.

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No fucking.

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And now Alex is just straight up like, they're lucky they're not dead.

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Great.

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Those people, those Antifa slimes are lucky their necks weren't broken after they've been

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hitting old people on the head with hammers and crap.

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Just believe me, the people that arrested you and took you in for questioning to get

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your paperwork of who you're working for would love to break your communist neck, you cowardly

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pieces of trash.

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I'm going to stop ranting right there.

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All right, let's just keep saying I'm going to get to the COVID news and I haven't gotten

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to it yet.

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Oh, you're so sad.

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Because it's such big news.

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Oh, God.

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And it's so over the top.

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Alex is bringing out the hits.

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Oh, we're on it's such big news again.

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Such big.

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Man, it's such big news.

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Yeah, I mean, like, OK, what he's what he's really talking about is that he believes that

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these protesters have Soros contracts on them, like the fake ones that is, in turn, found

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on Fortune.

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Is that part of the contract you have to always carry the contract with you?

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Absolutely.

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Are people like a diplomatic or something like before that, like everybody gets together

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and they're like, wait, wait, wait, I don't know if Carl was allowed to do that and he's

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got to pull out his contract and he's like flipping through it like, no, that one's still

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good, guys.

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All right.

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Wait, wait.

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It says in the contract, don't pull out your contract.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Oh, no.

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This is all Donnelley's fault.

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Fuck.

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Don't say that name.

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Yeah, it's fucked up.

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It's really, really fucked up.

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And I mean, I didn't expect more of Alex, but I kind of would have hoped.

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I mean, maybe just because it would have been a more appealing narrative for me.

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Yeah.

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That like he finally wakes up and recognizes like, what the fuck?

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Sure.

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And then tries to find some nuance, like tries to find some in between land where it's like,

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all right, I believe in everything that I've supported Trump for this whole time.

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Right.

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But I now recognize that those authoritarian tendencies that I was keenly aware of and

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I mentioned, I was very clear on.

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In fact, too much fucked up.

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It's also fucked up to think that if Alex would have just resisted the siren song of

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supporting Trump, like what he could be doing, like how much like he's a liar and everything

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would have been lies, but the world circumstances are such that he could be giant.

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He really could have.

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He could have won back over the left.

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How many fake ass Twitter leftist suddenly became huge for saying dumb bullshit that

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doesn't mean anything.

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They became huge.

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Alex is the king of dumb bullshit that doesn't mean anything.

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Yeah, man.

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Alex could have like legit crushed if he would have just stayed the like, no, I like Rand

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Paul.

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Oh man.

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Can you think of him like jumping on with the Russia hoax that made people not, I mean,

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like, I get what you're saying.

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You know, like jumping on with Russiagate piling on with Matt Allen, everybody being

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like, this is a whole conspiracy.

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He would have killed it.

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Oh, what an idiot.

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I mean, I'm having a tough time responding to you because it's like you got to rebook

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so much.

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Oh, I know from the jump.

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But I mean, just like if you assume that absent Alex, you still would have ended up with Trump

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behaving the way he's behaving and the world circumstance like Alex supporting Trump didn't

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cause some sort of a butterfly effect that brought on COVID-19, none of that stuff.

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So if we're living in the exact same world, but with Alex against Trump, with his decades

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of there's a police state coming.

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Totally.

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And God, he would just be probably one of the most famous people in the world.

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I mean, think of all the people on the left who are like, I didn't like it before, but

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now this guy's right on, even though we'd still do our show and reveal that everything

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he said was lies.

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This show wouldn't exist.

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They would love him.

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This show probably wouldn't exist because I never would have gotten interested in listening

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to him because I'm like, what the fuck is he doing?

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Oh, man, we're rebooking everything.

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Right.

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What an asshole.

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Now, Alex ruined our lives.

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What an asshole.

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But the yeah.

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God, what a different world.

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So stupid.

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He couldn't even keep away from Wayfair for a day.

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How could he deny the sirens of Trump?

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Yeah, that's a good point.

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It's probably inevitable.

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Yeah.

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So we get back to this Twitter thing here and Alex talks a little bit more about it.

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And I think this is very stupid.

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This is what we need to see more of.

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What happened to Twitter is beautiful.

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I love Bill Gates and Bezos and all these anti-American slugs that got rich off our

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system and hate it, who are in bed with the globalists and the Chicoms.

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I love it.

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I love your private messages are ours.

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I love the fact that the media is so stupid that they took the cover story that it's about

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Bitcoin.

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At this point, I see no evidence to back up any of these claims.

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Like, I see no evidence that this is a Patriot hack against the globalists.

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I can see no evidence that all these people's messages have been taken.

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And most relevantly, I find it really hard to believe that people like Bill Gates or

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Obama would ever use a platform like Twitter for any kind of important communication.

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They've been sending out contracts through Twitter DMs for a while now.

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If you imagine that they are, in fact, involved in some kind of a grand scale conspiracy,

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there's no chance they'd say anything incriminating over Twitter.

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That's what someone like Alex would do.

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Or Roger with his communications with Kucifer 2.0.

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Well, you just DM them.

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The only person who is affected by that hack that I think probably has some fucked up

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stuff in his DMs is Elon Musk.

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And Alex is trying to pretend that he wasn't one of the people who was targeted because

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he's kind of a good guy in Alex's world, so that ruins the whole storyline.

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This whole topsy-turvy nonsense.

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That dude is addicted to Twitter and acts like a dick on social media, so I would bet

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he's got some-

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And in real life.

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Yeah, true.

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I don't know him in real life.

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I've seen him on Twitter.

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I bet he's got some embarrassing messages that could be released.

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Totally.

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Anyway, this is just Alex writing a story about a world event that's really based on

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nothing other than his own fantasies about an imaginary war that's going on just past

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the view of everyone but himself.

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This is legitimately no different than Carrie Cassidy arguing that fires in California were

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a cover for aliens coming in through portals to eat people.

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They're both claims that take an actual news story and write their own versions of them.

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Eh, more fun versions.

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Well, in Carrie Cassidy's case.

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In this one, it's very boring.

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Well-

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I'm bored by patriots trying to steal DMs.

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Come on, man.

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I don't disagree with you.

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Now, it's debatable whether that is more boring than a Bitcoin scam.

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I would say it is.

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Ooh, that is debatable.

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It's a push, probably.

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It kind of is a push, isn't it?

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Yeah.

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Oh, man.

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I was kind of hoping we'd get a digital French Revolution where somebody hacked all of Bezos'

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money away.

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Now, what if the spider leadership were doing the hack?

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Now that's good stuff.

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Now we're in a writer's room, buddy.

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Jordan, get the note.

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All right, we got a movie.

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So, you know, obviously this whole thing with Alex and supporting Trump doing what he's

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doing vis-à-vis law enforcement in Portland, it makes sense because what Alex says in this

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next clip.

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I mean, it really just this is pretty clear.

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Listen, the federal government's a separation of powers.

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It's something we set up a long time ago to supposedly guard our freedoms.

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Of course, it's corrupted, out of control.

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Everything gets that way over time.

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But we'll use it to defeat the chai comms and the globalists.

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It's the weapon we have.

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We can reform it now and later and whenever.

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But if you think the federal government's your enemy compared to the chai comms and

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Hollywood and big tech, you're an idiot.

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We need the federal government to clean out the globalist, clean out the Democrat operatives,

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clean out the hold behinds from Comey and Hillary and all them that still think they're

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going to win.

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So, I mean, it's yeah, a federal government is a weapon that we can use against our real

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enemies, the left, Democrats.

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There you go.

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Yeah, we did it.

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Yeah.

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I mean, he's just he's just really explicitly saying we are in control of the reins of power

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and because of that, we can use that power to crush our political opposition.

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But if there are other people in power, then the federal government's the enemy.

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It's the enemy.

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It's evil.

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First, they came for the leftists and I was like, fuck yeah, I hate the leftists.

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And then I was fine because I'm a Nazi and we just became Nazis.

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Hooray.

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So we get to this big COVID news, which isn't really...

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It's huge.

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It's not.

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No, it's huge.

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It's not.

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Here's some of the headlines.

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Fatal motorcycle crash listed as COVID-19 in Florida says state official.

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Got him.

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As is pretty much always the case, Alex is reporting on bullshit that isn't even relevant

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by the time he is on air.

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In this case, a man in Florida who died in a motorcycle crash and had tested positive

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for COVID-19 had been initially counted as a COVID death.

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However, upon review, he was taken out of that data pool.

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One of the reasons for there being a question about a death like this is that there's a

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cause for review.

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There is a very slight possibility that even in the case of a motorcycle crash, that COVID-19

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could have been a contributing factor to the death.

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Is it possible that he only crashed because of a bout of severe coughing?

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It's probably unlikely, but it's a question that's relevant and people should ask.

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Anyway, the state of Florida has explicit exclusion criteria in place that has deaths

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from trauma, murder, suicide, overdose, and vehicle accidents removed from COVID death

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data.

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So this is basically a non-story that Alex is reporting as huge bombshell COVID news.

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It is so annoying to me that people have already thought of how this could happen and created

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a process by which they could revise it.

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It's, it's, oh, oh, oh, how evil it, how, what a bunch of idiots.

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They accidentally classified it.

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No, they purposefully classified it as a COVID death in order to goose the numbers.

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And then somehow through the process that they already had in place, they found it and

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they revised it.

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So things work.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Bombshell.

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Not a bombshell story.

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So we got more headlines about COVID.

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Alex just reads these headlines and then a couple of them he like does a little dance

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about for a bit, but there's no real analysis.

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Viralist pandemic drastic measures as death toll sets record AP.

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And they look at counties that had had no deaths before and have a few now that they're

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doing testing.

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And they go, oh, it's a spike in that area.

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That's how they manipulate the statistics, even though deaths are way down.

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So you can kind of see how the goalposts are being moved in order to help maintain the

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this ain't a big deal kind of position.

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The thing Alex is hiding behind is that in the initial wave of cases and deaths, the

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largest city in the United States was the epicenter.

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New York City has a massive population and the population density is such that transmission

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was out of control.

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These factors created a perfect storm where there were a large number of deaths in a single

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area.

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As time has gone on and New York has largely gotten the virus in check, the death numbers

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have dropped drastically in the northeast of the country.

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This drop is enough to have masked the surges and deaths that have been seen in the south

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and in states like Arizona and California and around in the southwest.

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These areas are going up pretty seriously, but often in areas that are not of similar

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populations to New York.

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And naturally, the gross number of deaths are going to be lower for the country, even

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though they're higher in these regions.

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You do need to pay attention to stuff like that if you...

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You would think.

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Obviously, I have no idea what's going to happen, but it's a bit troubling to hear Alex

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pivot from there are no deaths increasing to there are some deaths increasing, but they're

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in small areas.

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That seems like a guy who's just trying to explain away deaths that are inconvenient.

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Hey, I don't need to worry about it.

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They're not from here.

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So we've heard that Trump has taken the reporting away from the CDC, the Centers for Disease

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Control.

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Oh, yeah, no, no, no.

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That's a smart idea that we should allow him to do.

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Alex is into it.

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This appearance of COVID-19 data from CDC website spurs outcry.

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Well, the CDC is run by Fauci, has been proven to be a total lie and a total fraud, and it's

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designed to keep us closed.

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Good.

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Trump runs the federal government.

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Cut them off.

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Firstly, Fauci does not run the CDC.

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Second, they're not proven to be frauds, and they're also not trying to keep the country

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closed.

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Beyond that, I'm a little bit torn about this move on the Trump administration's part to

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make the reporting taken away from the CDC and then house it within the Department of

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Health and Human Services.

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On the one hand, if the reporting is being done appropriately and professionally, then

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it seems like the HHS is a relevant department for that to run through.

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And ultimately, the CDC is part of the HHS.

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You know, if in fact that this is just an instance of rolling out a new, possibly updated

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system, then it might not be a totally negative thing.

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Sure.

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That said, I don't really trust anything that I just said to be accurate.

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There you go.

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I don't trust that the Trump administration is going to make moves to provide better data

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about a politically inconvenient outbreak, and honestly, I don't think that I would trust

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them to make this kind of move, even if it weren't in the middle of a pandemic.

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The timing is weird, to say the least, and it seems like a pretty shady move.

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At very least, it's a bad decision because of the timing.

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We're in the middle of a public health situation, and making changes to how things are reported

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is going to inevitably lead to some hiccups.

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Any time you migrate systems, there are some things you end up learning by experience,

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making mistakes.

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Those mistakes could be very detrimental in the current landscape, and we may not be able

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to afford to make them.

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Honestly, they could be hugely consequential.

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Nah.

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And that's why the National Governors Association wrote Trump a letter asking that he delay

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this shift in the system, and to make all of the information public.

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The chair said, quote, sudden changes impose undue burdens on state health departments

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and hospital systems which are already working at full capacity.

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This wasn't some leftist globalist nonsense, this was, quote, on behalf of the governors

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in all 55 states and territories.

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Anyway, what Alex is doing here is cheering for a cover-up.

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Yeah.

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Whether or not, like, I mean, I can't say how things are going to go, and if there was

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the possibility of a smooth transition and appropriate data keeping, I don't know necessarily

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if it's the most monstrous thing.

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I think doing it now can only lead to unforeseen troubles.

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Yeah, I mean, we're at the point where they've lost any benefit of the doubt, so don't care.

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Don't care what their motivations are, whether or not they can even do a good job, you've

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lost the benefit of the doubt until you prove it.

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And we're at the point now where, unfortunately, it's going to come down to people to have

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to actually be like, we won't do this.

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You can say we're transferring it to the HHS or the White House or whatever, but the CDC

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is going to keep the data and put it up.

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Yeah, like, that's where we're at.

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You have to say no to the President of the United States.

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Also, Alex should be on the side of all of the state governments.

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I don't know, you don't understand, they're all leftists.

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They're all leftists, they're all in Antifa, they're all globalists, they've all signed

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the contracts, they're all deep state, Dan, they're all believers in Satan, they're all

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doing all this.

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26 are Republicans.

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Well, those are the leftist Republicans in Antifa.

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So anyway, when he's covering these bits of news, it's just reading headlines.

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There's no deeper coverage of it at all.

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The housing crisis of 2020, millions of Americans miss their first rent payments, and tens of

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millions could be evicted.

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California churches have been shut down in the NFL season, may be in jeopardy.

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That is just some of what we're going to be covering here today, ladies and gentlemen.

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Infowars.com, newswars.com.

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Please don't forget, we have the Christmas in July sale going on right now.

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We have the Christmas in July sale.

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So what's the, like, what's his take on either of those stories?

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Dan, I think, personally, a good bellwether for whether or not I'm doing a good job is,

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can I be replaced by a news ticker at the bottom of a CNN...

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Does the news ticker yell?

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Ooh.

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Not yet.

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What if it was in all caps?

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Then we're good.

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Then I'm gone.

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You're right.

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Fair enough.

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I'm going to just pull an audible and skip the next, like, three clicks.

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Alex interviews this woman, I can't remember her name, I apologize, I didn't write it down.

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She's made a documentary about incels, and also does not approve of the use of that term.

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Apparently it's sort of a pejorative that the media throws around.

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She has a lot more nuance to have a take on the whole situation.

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Interesting.

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I'm not sure I ever want to watch her documentary.

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I'm not sure I ever want to watch her documentary.

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I'm not sure I think that she's a great thinker.

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Based on the fact that she's on Infowars and she seems to be into Alex.

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Lost the benefit of the doubt.

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Yes.

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But the interview is kind of pointless, and a lot of it ends up just being Alex talking over her.

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And kind of...

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Well, she's a woman.

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Fair enough.

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It's not really all that interesting.

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I cut clips of it on the thought that, you know, hey, maybe something will happen.

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And I look at these clips and I'm like, nothing happens in that interview.

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Nothing happens.

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While we were recording for the last 40 minutes, I forgot it was coming up.

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See, that's an issue.

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I think we're fine.

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Anyway, that interview doesn't go well, and Alex gets back to talking about his business.

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And it turns out he's mad that Trump's, what is it, niece?

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He's writing a book?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Put out the book.

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Mary?

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Mary Trump?

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Oh, we found out so much that we had no idea would be true.

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Yeah.

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So he thinks it's like totally normal for families to have a non-disclosure agreement.

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Sure.

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And we've got a lot of other news we're going to be hitting as well.

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But I wanted to play the niece of the president who already got paid out a bunch of money

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and signed a contract in her family not to make stuff up if she got those millions of dollars.

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That's a contract.

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Every family's got these deadbeats in them.

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And now she comes out and she says, Donald Trump says the n-word all the time.

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And folks, I checked into Donald Trump.

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I know people that have stayed at his house 10, 15 times.

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I know people that don't like Donald Trump.

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Has never said anything racist about black people or not.

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And my God, it's his son-in-law is an Orthodox Jew.

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He's from Israel.

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Why did you jump into Jewish people?

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Look, he's never said anything racist about black people.

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His son's a Jew.

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Why did that?

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I don't understand that hinge, but whatever.

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He pivoted strangely.

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I would say that you don't need to sign a contract that you agree to not make things

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up about people.

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Usually, now that's called a non-disparagement, I believe.

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No.

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Something along those lines.

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Non-disclosure is...

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Non-disparagement still isn't making things up.

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Making things up about people.

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You can still, like...

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Oh yeah, that's just regular ol' libel.

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Yeah, don't talk bad about your time working for this company or whatever.

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Like my time working for coupon cabin.

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Which was wonderful.

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Which was shit.

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I got them to get rid of it.

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That's why you didn't sign the non-disparagement.

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But you still couldn't make things up about the time there.

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No, I would never make things up.

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I wouldn't need to.

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You couldn't make up materially false things.

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Because you could still end up getting in trouble.

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Totally, totally.

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You can't make someone sign a contract for what Alex is describing.

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Yeah.

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Or anyway, no one would.

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No.

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But look, man, Trump's never said anything racist.

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See, now that's so stupid.

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That's so stupid.

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That's so incredibly stupid.

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No, no, no, no.

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You don't understand.

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No, no, no, because you could just say, look, look, you could say easily that what's true

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for every white person, which is there's been some racism because we're ingrained in the

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fucking culture and we've gotten past it and we've grown beyond it.

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Sure.

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Better people.

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No one's a saint, especially not the guy who's being racist as we speak.

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You do not understand.

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Oh, OK.

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That is a matter of lack of control.

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And Trump is so in control.

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That sounds crazy.

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Have you heard, have you heard the president use the n-word?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And anti-Semitic slurs specifically.

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Yes.

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Yeah, of course.

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Sure.

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Donald Trump is all about being in control.

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Trump doesn't say something in his sleep he doesn't want to say.

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This is crap, ladies and gentlemen.

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So this is pretty funny to me.

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And I could have gone and found a compilation of Trump saying completely nonsensical things

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to rebut this.

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But I felt that would have been low hanging fruit.

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And I can do better than that.

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Yeah.

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We expect more from you, Dan.

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Because I've been listening to Alex for a long time.

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I remember how back in January 2017, just before Trump's inauguration, Alex got trolled

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by a guy on Twitter into thinking that tapes of Trump saying the n-word on The Apprentice

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were about to get released.

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This guy pretended to be an NBC employee and just randomly sent Paul Joseph Watson a DM

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saying this stuff.

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And without doing any checking into the story, Paul wrote up an article about it.

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And then Alex filmed an emergency damage control report that went something like this.

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We are now about three and a half days out from this historic event taking place.

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And Paul Watson wrote a big story yesterday concerning a NBC source.

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And it looks credible.

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I'm not saying the report's credible.

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I'm saying that the source, it looks like he is at NBC.

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Random guy on Twitter.

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We have quite a few sources.

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I'll just leave it at that.

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Quite a few.

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They're saying that there is a tape compilation going back over the 14 seasons or whatever.

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Of The Apprentice with him sitting in the chair saying things like his son's retarded

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and making dirty jokes and supposedly the n-word.

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You know, the thing about Trump, whether this is true or not, is the topic that I've known

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him for a long time is he does like to basically tell dirty jokes, anything that a comedian

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would do.

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And he doesn't do it that often, but almost like a stress reliever or a way to break the

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ice.

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He will sit there and a lot of times actually deprecate himself as well.

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So, I mean, like a slightly different take.

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Well, he's never said anything out of control in his entire life.

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Seems like he likes to sit down and have like a rippled humor.

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Also, is that a defense of Trump?

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What?

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She's like, yeah, I've heard him say the n-word.

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Yeah, I've heard him say Rachel Sayers.

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And Alex is like, he's never said anything that he didn't mean to say.

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No, he's saying that she's lying.

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I know, but at the same time...

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Well, I mean, that would sort of raise the question of if Trump is in such great control

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of himself, how do you explain all the nonsense?

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I mean, that opens up a can of worms that I don't think we have time to unpack right

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now.

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No, it's very big.

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Yes.

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Or it's actually very small.

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He's an idiot.

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Fair enough.

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So Alex has another guest, and by that I mean he has two guests and they're twins.

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All right.

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Did Diamond and Silver become secret twins?

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No, these are a couple of dudes.

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They go by the name the Hodge Twins.

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All right.

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John Hodgman and Don Hodgman.

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God, I wish it was fucking John Hodgman.

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That would be amazing.

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That would be amazing.

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No, it's these two guys.

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I believe they became...

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I think they were comedians.

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Didn't work out.

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Trying to be the next Sklar brothers and it didn't go well.

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Right.

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And then they do some comedic videos on YouTube, maybe some fitness stuff, because they're

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very, very in shape.

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Yes.

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And now have found themselves in the position of black conservative Trump voices on social

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media.

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Oh, how do you just find yourself there?

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So wild.

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Yeah, they're not good at this.

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It's really annoying.

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Listening to this interview was tough for a couple of reasons.

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One, because just elementary things that they have wrong, just make it so like, okay, I

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don't really respect the position that you're coming from.

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Right.

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Because there's base level deceptions you're trying to pull off.

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And that means I don't care.

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You're not serious about what you're doing.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And then the second one is because it's so transparent how much Alex is using them.

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Yeah.

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He doesn't even know their names.

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Why would he?

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He calls them like twins.

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Yeah, great.

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Like he doesn't know what their first names are, which is weird.

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If you're having people on as guests, you think you would maybe take the time to know

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what their names are.

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No, it's just two guys who look the same twins.

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They said that Trump said the N word, so I need to have black people on.

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I don't care who they are.

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So when I say they just get elementary things wrong, this is kind of just about where I

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was like, okay, I don't care.

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Like it was really early in the interview.

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And like you say things like this and it's just like, all right, you end up in a box

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and that box is someone who's running a con.

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Like he was just on CBS News getting interviewed by a reporter.

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Yeah, she asked a question that was based on a false assumption.

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Why is black people still being killed in America?

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That's because she doesn't want the truth.

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She has an agenda.

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Yeah.

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People of all races are down at the hands of police officers.

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And Trump made a very statistical, a great fact, a statistical fact based on math, based

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on science.

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He said more white people being shot and killed by cops than blacks.

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Yeah.

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But see, that's they don't want the public to know that.

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Yeah, because if the public knows that their narrative that they're pushing, that black

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people are being hunted down in America, it falls apart.

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Yeah.

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Right off the bat, police killing people is bad regardless of the race of the victim.

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I'm not sure that it's a good argument for people to say the protests about police killing

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black people are bad because police actually killed more white people.

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So we shouldn't be protesting, Dan.

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That seems dumb.

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I don't really understand the logic and how that tracks, but whatever.

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I mean, if that's, if that's a minor issue that I have, the larger issue is the interview

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that the hunch twins are talking about here included Trump using a very explicit dog whistle

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to racists.

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The interviewer asked, quote, why are African-Americans still dying at the hands of law enforcement?

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To which Trump replied, quote, and so are white people.

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What a terrible question to ask.

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So are white people, more white people, by the way, more white people.

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It is true that more total white people are killed by police each year than black Americans,

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but that is a meaningless statistic in the context that's being used because there are

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not an equal number of white and black people in the country.

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Oh, wait.

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So are you going to use math or science to make a great fact?

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No.

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How many words?

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Studies have been done on the differential between the rates and they've consistently

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shown that black people in America are considerably more likely to be killed by police when the

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statistics have been adjusted to compensate for population differences.

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According to the Guardian, black people are more than twice as likely to be killed by

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police than white people in America.

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Quote, in 2016, black men aged 15 to 34 were nine times more likely than other Americans

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to be killed by law enforcement officers, and they were killed at four times the rate

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of young white men.

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This talking point that more white people are killed by police than black people is

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a standard canard that's pulled out by racist folks to try and minimize or invalidate the

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folks who protest police violence, and it's a really dumb thing for two reasons.

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The first is that using this stat in that way only reveals that you don't really understand

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the topic you're talking about or that you have possibly an underlying racist perspective

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that you're looking to camouflage.

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The second is that the natural conclusion of this logic doesn't arrive anywhere good.

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Is the point supposed to be that police killings are actually okay?

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Is the message that they're trying to push is that black people should calm down because

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more white people are killed?

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Is the problem that folks are complaining about police murders, or is the problem that

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people like Alex have is that the movements don't focus on the right victims?

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The logic of this argument doesn't go anywhere.

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You have to ask yourself what the actual goal of using messaging like this is, and if you

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do, I don't think you come up with anything good.

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At best, this is a defense of police murders.

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At worst, it's a blatantly racist desire for all social movements to center white experience.

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And actually, I don't know if that's at best and at worst.

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I'm not sure.

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But the point is, I don't think there is a...

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I don't know where this logic or this reasoning goes that isn't let police murder you.

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Yeah, that's what it is.

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It's not good.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Why are you complaining?

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Right.

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Why are you com-

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And it's never followed up with, like, white people should be in the streets protesting

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because we're getting killed, so they kill so many white people.

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Like, if Trump was like-

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Doesn't that seem like it should be the second thing that's said?

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It's the only thing that's said.

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It should...

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Everything else is, shut up and let police murder you.

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Because if you don't, if your next statement or sentence isn't, and that is why we use

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and that is why we must also vociferously support this movement and engage and be a

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part of it, if it's not, then you're only bringing this up in order to minimize and

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invalidate the experiences of the people who are protesting, which seems to be saying something

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along the lines of, it's cool.

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It's cool for police to kill people, and I'm against that.

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I guess the best interpretation of somebody saying that, aside from them being like, and

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that's why we should abolish the fucking police, the best possible interpretation is, white

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people, more white people are getting killed and you don't see them causing problems.

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Like that's the most innocent way I think you can look at that.

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But again, that's still making the argument that it's okay to kill, for police to kill

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people.

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Exactly.

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It's not, I've sat down and I've thought about this and I've tried to figure out, like, what

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is the messaging that isn't going down one of those roads, and I bet that there's something

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I haven't considered, but I'm having a very difficult time trying to figure out how that

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statistic is relevant to this conversation in a way that leads somewhere valuable to

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discuss.

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I mean, it can't be seen as anything other than an insecure response to somebody pointing

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out that one, it's not about you, and two, it is a fundamental aspect of our policing

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system that it is fine to hunt young black men.

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And if you absorb that one piece of information, then you have to change every viewpoint you

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have on policing.

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So your insecure response to that is just like, uh-uh, more black people, or more white

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people are killed, so, you know, it's not that big a deal.

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Yeah, possibly.

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That might be what's going on.

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Now, like I said, I do not care for people who present their positions this flimsily.

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Like, if this is what you're bringing to the table, that Trump's interview was actually

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good because he made a great point that more white people are killed by police than black

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people, and you think that that means something, and you think that that's a relevant statistic

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in this circumstance, that leads me to believe that this is not, like, you're not a voice

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that's worth taking seriously.

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And it gets worse, because they're aware, the Hodge twins are aware, that there's a

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higher rate of black people killed by the police.

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They are aware of that.

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Right, but they take issue with something completely irrelevant in the study that found

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this.

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They're trying to say black people are being killed at a higher rate than black folks.

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Yeah, but the study takes in the white folks, I mean, that survey is saying black people

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are getting killed at a higher rate than white folks.

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Yeah, that study, they take into account the entire population.

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Okay, if you want to figure out what's going on, if black people are being killed at a

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high rate, you need to take into account only police interactions.

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Who cares about the lady that's sitting in the old folks' home?

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Or my wife who's never been stopped by the cops?

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Yeah, you need to look at police interactions, and then you'll be able to determine if black

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people are being killed at a higher rate.

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But even then, was the black people walking down the street just flying a kite, sucking

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on a lollipop, or they put this in a dangerous position, putting the cops' life at risk?

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Your eyebrow was way up during that.

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These complaints with the study that shows that police kill black people at higher rates

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than white people, these complaints are completely meaningless.

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And they really only reveal that the Hodge twins have absolutely no idea how statistical

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analysis works.

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I'm not even going to waste my time discussing this, but I feel like it's worth our time

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to really see the level of argumentation that's going on.

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If your complaint with the study is that they take into consideration the whole population,

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first of all, okay, and then second, have you tried to look for a study that only involves

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police interactions?

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I mean, also, just intuitively, are you telling me that you have existed in American society

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for this long, and you think that black people don't have a higher rate of police interactions

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as well?

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There's an interesting thing to this, and that is it does seem to me like if they had

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looked into it, they could find a study about police interactions.

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You have to look into it, though, Dan.

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Right.

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And the fact that they're not bringing up a study that shows that there is actually

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no difference in police interactions, that leads me to believe that they either haven't

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looked into that or they have, and they found like, ah, that doesn't work for us either.

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Yeah.

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Look, and look, if they were saying, okay, here's how it went, they'd say that there's

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higher rates, but there was a different group, like let's say all of the elderly and the

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entire population was used for the white set, and then only, I don't know, 15 to 25-year-old

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males for the black set.

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If you were bringing up that kind of a problem with the relative sample groups-

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Huge issue.

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Right.

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It would be.

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Huge issue.

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But if it's both using entire populations, come on, guys.

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And not only that, but it's to the point you know, where if you, you just hear it in their

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voices.

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Okay.

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So you need to have a study that talks about police interactions.

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All right, here's my study that talks about police interactions.

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Well, well, well, no, no, no, no, that's not the right study.

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Well, no.

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There's always going to be a, you should have had the, this is the question that-

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Well, and your argument is even borne out by the clip, because at the end they show

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their cards, where they're basically arguing that the people who get killed by the police

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deserved it.

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Great.

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You know, they're not just walking around with a lollipop.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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This is purely pro-state violence-based propaganda, largely motivated by opposition to non-white

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social movements.

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Yep.

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That's the, like, so yeah, 100% what you're saying.

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What are they, Terry Crews over here?

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Come on, now.

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You could bring out the study that shows like, okay, here's just police interactions, and

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then they're like, well, were they walking around with lollipops?

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Right.

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And here's the number of unarmed and unaffected and stop and frisk and all of those.

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They've already put out the next talking point that precludes you from even going down that

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road, because you know, okay, well, they're just going to assume that these people deserve

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to be shot by the cops, and then, okay, we've reached an impasse, I 100% disagree with you,

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and that seems to be the hill that you're willing to live on, and I'm not.

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Great.

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And another thing is, it seems like they have a lot of, another reason why I'm not particularly

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interested in their contribution is because you can see that they have a lot of Alex Jonesy

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narratives.

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They, that woman who was killed in Indianapolis that we've talked about and that Alex has

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been using as a race-baity kind of topic, it seems like they have an angle on the story

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that's exactly the same as Alex, that doesn't, it mysteriously doesn't match up with reality

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in similar ways.

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This information that they're giving to black people, they're actually creating racist black

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people.

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I've never in my life seen so many white people getting attacked by black people, just for

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the simple fact that they're white.

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I mean, I don't see this happening to black people in this country.

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Yeah.

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I've seen a white lady at a protest say, all lives matter, and a black person shoots and

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kills her.

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She had a six year old, not a six year old, six month old infant, and they didn't say

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that it was a hate crime.

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I mean, what country are we living in?

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Who wasn't at a protest and her kid wasn't six months old, but this, I mean, it's the,

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the same thing, man.

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It's just, it's.

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Just say all lives matter and let's move on.

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You know, like that's what they're, I don't, I look, if black Hans and Franz want to show

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up and tell me that it's okay for cops to murder people, fine.

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They're in great shape.

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You're done.

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So then again, I want to pump you up with bullets from cops.

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I want to play this clip because it does also demonstrate something that I said, Alex clearly

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doesn't know their names and I don't want that to just be my assertion here is it happening

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on the show.

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You were starting to get into it.

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One of the twins there, I don't know you guys just go about twins, but we should have you

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on actually go by your full name sometime people know who you guys are, but what about

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this?

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We'll let you go by your full name sometime.

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What do you expect to happen next?

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If the Democrats got in, Oh man, no telling that is deeply, deeply uncomfortable.

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Oh boy.

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One of the twins, I just call it the twins.

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Someday you're going to have a name someday.

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I'll know what you're going to have a name promise.

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So one last clip of, uh, the, the twins, uh, the Hodge twins, uh, and, and here is another

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reason why I just don't take this stuff seriously.

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I just, I can't take people in this lane of media seriously.

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That's because they have just completely bad faith arguments that they make.

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If you look, if you look at, uh, constituents on the right and constituents on the left,

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it's like night and day on the right.

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They use their minds and they can actually debate their views on the left.

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They're like, no, this is a trick.

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You're trying to trick me.

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Yeah.

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You would never see AOC.

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You never see her debate anybody.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You have debate herself.

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This is ridiculous.

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Like there, there's this right wing online conception of debating, which is just two

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people yelling at each other in a YouTube video in an unstructured way that they just

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fetishize this.

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I've watched tons of supposed debates online and most of it is complete nonsense.

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A lot of it is just bigots trolling.

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And the rest is people thinking they're blowing people's minds of philosophy one Oh one topics

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they read a Wikipedia page about.

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That's not meaningful, but the online conservatives really think that there's, it's like some

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kind of important part of their culture where they do these online blood sport kind of arguments.

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I mean, they can't, they can't, you know, the, the hard right isn't a, isn't really

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into physical violence as a, you know, the, the intellectual wing of the hard right isn't

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into physical violence, so they have to get their jollies off somehow.

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It's makes them feel powerful that I won this argument.

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I won this fight.

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I won it.

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I regret a lot of the time that I've spent passively, just like listening to that bullshit,

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but like it is this weird online world of, of, of people who think that they're really,

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it's really, it's, you know, it's meaningful.

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And I regret to say that there is a kernel of it that is probably meaningful if only

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on the level of how many people are watching those things.

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You know, like there are large audiences and people can be swayed by really slick sort

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of rhetoric that goes on, but like, honestly, it's, it's stuff that wouldn't fly in a class

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room.

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Yeah, like college should be free because right now YouTube is taking the place and

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it's not doing a good job.

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No.

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When the Hodge twins say that AOC won't debate, what they're saying is that she knows better

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than to engage with someone like Ben Shapiro, who's desperately begged her to debate him.

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He even said that, debate me, debate me on any of the ideas, he offered $10,000 and then

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everyone got mad that she didn't want to debate him.

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Say you want to have a charity wrestling match, it's the same fucking bullshit.

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She knows that that's not going to be a debate in any sense of the word and it's not worth

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her time.

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She's a fucking Congress person.

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Like am I going to fucking hang out with dumbass Ben Shapiro and let him yell nonsense at me

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really fast and then act like he made a point?

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Yeah.

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And let's be real.

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All right.

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The people who have taken these assholes up on this offer do not get paid.

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That money doesn't get paid out, Dan.

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I don't know.

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There's always a reason not to pay that money out.

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I can't say for sure.

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Stone stole Klayman's computers.

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True.

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They don't pay that 10,000 bounty.

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Fair enough.

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I'll tell you that right now.

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Oh, so also, I just want to point this out, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez just won a primary

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for her seat in Congress that involved debates, which she took part in.

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Yeah.

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That along kind of torpedoes the whole AOC can't debate any one point.

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She also appeared in debates back in 2018 when she was running for her seat against

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Joe Crowley, and honestly, she should be way too busy being in government to respond to

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dumb, dumb conservatives who want to clout chase by trying to bait her into a debate.

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This would be like me challenging Rand Paul to a debate and then being pissed off that

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he wouldn't agree to it.

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I will challenge Rand Paul to a debate right now, Dan.

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Coward.

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Coward!

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Debate me!

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That's the problem with the conservatives, Dan.

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They don't have the skill to - They're a bunch of cowards.

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They're too afraid.

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They're too afraid.

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Get their ideas to the test.

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They're too afraid of me.

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Come on, Rand.

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The guy who yells on a podcast.

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Although Rand would be doing more with his governing power if he were to debate me than

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anything he's doing now.

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It's nonsense.

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And when there are these folks who come in who clearly have their own cottage industry

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that I'm unaware of, like I don't know who these guys are outside of their appearance

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on Alex's show, but there's little things that you can use to tell, like, okay, this

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is not a sincere actor.

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The first is the use of argumentation like thinking that that statistic about whites

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people being killed more by cops is grateful in that context.

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That is a dead ringer for this is not good.

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This is starting off poorly.

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Second, the engaging with a study in the way that they did, which is just the flimsiest

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critique of the study.

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That is like, okay, I got problems with your problems with the study.

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I didn't like their use of Arial font, Dan.

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The implication that at the bottom of this argument, well, we're eventually going to

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get to the point where you're going to say the people just deserve to be shot by the

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police.

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Sooner or later.

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That gives me no faith that we're going to be able to get anywhere were we ever to have

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a debate.

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Third or fourth, I'm not sure at this point, the repetition of Alexi narratives.

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That means that the areas you're getting information from are probably not great.

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And then the sort of dumb AOC won't debate kind of thing, which is just a hallmark of

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these trolly stupid worlds online that are just not serious.

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You have all of these things that are just indicative in an interview of like con artist.

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This is just someone who's running their own scam.

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And I just don't care for it.

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And I guess this is maybe a little bit longer of a, they are in great shape, aren't they?

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Definitely.

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Okay, good.

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Well, they got that to hang their hats on.

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Yeah.

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So Nick Begich, the guy who wrote that book, angels don't play this heart.

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Oh, angels don't play that heart.

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He's hosting the fourth hour.

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Unfortunately we get bad news.

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All right, here's the deal.

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Dr. Nick Begich is awesome.

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He always loves you.

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The fourth hour he's under the weather today.

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He just let us know.

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And so I'm going to know his fourth hour.

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My son, Rex Jones, who is almost 18 and he's up here working with us, he went out and shot

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some of this crazy, crazy new world order stuff here in Austin with the black lives

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matter.

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That's almost all white people.

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You're going to see the video.

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So Rex is going to come on for the fourth hour with Alex.

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And I mean, so only black people can think black lives matter.

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I don't, I don't want to unpack that.

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I don't want to deal with that either.

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Rex is coming in to, uh, you know, talk about this video that he's made and he has a new

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website about, uh, I don't know, whatever.

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Who cares?

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Um, I'm not going to talk too much about him because honestly, the stuff that he has to

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say is just repeating info war stuff.

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Yeah.

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And you know, it's, it's, it's a bummer to see, but I want to get a pat on the head.

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Does he get some like fatherly affection out of this?

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Debatable.

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No.

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Now here's what I want to say.

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Sure.

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What I would rather focus on is Alex's behavior.

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So we'll focus on that.

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Okay.

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And then at the end of this, I'll let you decide whether you got a pat on the head or

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not.

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Okay.

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So before Rex comes in though, Alex, if you recall, he had a toothpaste that his dad had

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created that he couldn't sell.

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And now apparently he can.

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Right.

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Now this is really interesting.

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Listen very closely, Mike down for this because Alex explains how this product line came to

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be.

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I think it's his exit.

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A lot of other stuff's going on.

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I haven't had time to get into it.

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There's not time properly announced all this year.

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So I don't even know if I should, I have all these products here in front of me because

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they're new products.

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And my dad about a year ago said, how can I help with all the attacks for under everything

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else?

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And I said, dad, you know, with the deep platform and everything, I just feel like I should

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probably move him forwards to shut it down in a few years.

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And I should just work for somebody else and just let people have their own operation and

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everything so that I could just go forward.

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And he said, well, let's get that started.

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Well, a couple of months ago, the products came in and so they're really good products.

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We've tested them.

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We love them.

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They're amazing.

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And I haven't had time to get into them yet, but drjonesnaturals.com.

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So now I try to understand what words mean when they're put in sentences because that's

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how humans communicate.

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That's a fool's game, Dan.

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And if you listen to the implication of the way Alex is stringing these thoughts together,

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a year ago, his dad came to him and said, how can I help?

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You seem to be under attack, all this stuff.

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I'm the head of HR for your, your yeasty company and whatever.

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So Alex's dad asks him that, and Alex is like, let's be real.

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I should probably quit.

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We're under a lot of attacks, you know, all this stuff is coming down and getting sued

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all over the place.

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I need to probably just step down and let people have their own operation.

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Let let the, see if Owen Schroyer can fly, let them, let them shoot to the moon.

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You got to take those training wheels off.

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Absolutely.

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So Alex's dad says, let's get that started.

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And then now these products are the coming of fruit to fruition of getting started, right?

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Plan to get Alex out of info wars, which now, if I'm to understand what that means, here's

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what I think that means.

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I don't know if Alex is saying this because he says words that don't mean anything all

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the time.

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Yeah, that's an issue.

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But based on the way that Alex has, you know, definitely in the last six months, but talking

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about quitting a whole lot more talking about running to the woods.

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I wouldn't be too surprised if what was going on here is Alex's dad is launching a supplement

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line for Alex to sell that can shield assets.

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There you go.

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Alex is getting sued by all of these people who's going to go out of business if things

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continue down the road that they're going on.

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So as an insurance policy, hide assets under his dad's name with a business that Alex isn't

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technically connected to at all, but he's getting all the profits from.

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All right.

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So what you're saying to me is that if I were, say, a limited liability company and somebody

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were suing Info Wars, the limited liability company, they would be able to take all that

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money.

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Conceivably.

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But if I had a different LLC.

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You didn't.

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Well, I don't have a different LLC.

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Let's say your dad has a different LLC.

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Let's say I was like, I need to take care of you, dad.

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So I'm going to order all kinds of products from you up front.

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A large amount of money, a massive amount of money directly to you up front.

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And when people order that product, well, I mean, you can keep it on your shelves.

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I don't know.

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I mean, like, obviously what you're suggesting is what this smells like, but it's hard to

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say exactly.

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I really don't know.

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But Alex is going out of his way to, like, first of all, the way he set that up is fucked

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up.

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There's no need for that.

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Yeah, no, that's fucked up.

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There's no need for that.

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You could just say, we got these great products.

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You don't need to say, a year ago I was talking with my dad and I said, I want to quit Info

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Wars.

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And he said, let's start doing that.

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And then now we have products to sell you.

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You don't need to say stuff like that because it's fucking confusing as hell and it makes

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it sound like this is your fucking parachute.

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Yeah, that's not good.

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Now it even gets it weirder because Alex has to be very specific that this is not his company,

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although they are selling products that are weirdly similar to all the products that he

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sells currently.

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They're very similar.

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We have eight of the products at infowarstor.com and I don't want to undermine any of our products

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because they're all really, really good, but we have Shoreless, we have Rocket Rest, we

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have Pramal Youth, we have KabaChill, they have KabaChill Extra Strength, Top Brain,

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Top Brain products that are there on the new site.

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Quit your job.

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Believe me, the ingredients in these are super strong, high quality and low price.

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These are designed to be very, very affordable and this is not my company, but it's my dad.

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So we're under a lot of attack, a lot of people trying to shut us down, but you cut a starfish

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up, it just grows more starfish, so it's going on, so be sure and check out Dr. Jones' Naturals.

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So I mean, look, here's the thing, what we're talking about, this idea that this is kind

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of how you might structure something if you're trying to funnel resources somewhere, it does

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seem like that's a possibility.

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I have no idea.

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Could not be.

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But ultimately, the other possibility that seems equally likely is that Alex recognizes

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that his name is shit in terms of brand.

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So you just launch all of these other products that are basically all the same things with

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different but kind of close names and then maybe it's like, what's that fucking scene

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in The Wire where Stringer is explaining, he's changed the name of the Weapons of Mass

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Destruction, now you've got new name on the streets, and it seems like that's another

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possibility.

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Alex just recognizes that like, okay, yeah, the people who buy my shit will buy Turbo

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Force and they'll buy Supermail Vitality.

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They don't have any stigma attached to my products, but everybody else does.

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So we try and Trojan Horse this thing with Dr. Jones' Naturals and then maybe it'll work.

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That is a possibility too.

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I don't know.

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Either of these are equally possible, but it's fucking weird that he keeps couching

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it these ways.

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I'm telling you right now, I'm telling you right now, I thought it was going to work,

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but I just checked their website and he did use a giant picture of Shortround on the website,

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which I guess he didn't know was a racist character, but Dr. Jones' Naturals is not

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what you think it is.

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I tried to find a business filing in the Secretary of State's filings and the Travis County.

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I couldn't find it, but that doesn't mean it's not there.

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I don't know exactly.

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It's probably incorporated in Delaware.

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Maybe.

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I'm going to keep looking and I'll keep you up to date on that, but I don't know what

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the deal is here.

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It's weird.

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The move is weird and especially because, like I said, these products are the same things

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basically that he already sells, like he has Rocket Rest or whatever.

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He had Knockout.

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Knockout was the sleep aid that he sold before.

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Well now he has Top Brain, Dan, and that's a completely different thing from Brain Force.

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What kind of idiot would get those two mixed up?

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Very...

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Top Brain!

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My son Rex is coming in here.

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This wasn't planned.

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Actually, he just wants to go on.

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He doesn't really have trouble sleeping, but he kind of wakes up a few hours after he goes

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to bed.

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He always has.

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I mean, like down in the kitchen at midnight getting a glass of oranges, he'd be wandering

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around in his underwear.

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He used to live with me.

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You know, he's moved out now.

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He's a big boy.

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And...

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That's a weird...

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Don't say that.

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He would knock out sometimes.

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And it affects everybody differently.

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He said, yeah, Knockout's great.

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Well, he said Rocket Rest.

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His words were two days ago, he's too strong.

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And I said, take it again and tell me.

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He slept 12 hours on this, and he said, the name is perfect.

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He said, I was just at so much energy when I woke up.

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So Rocket Rest is available right now, ladies and gentlemen.

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Why are you trying to sell this product by comparing it to your other product?

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Doesn't this just cannibalize the market?

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So weird.

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I don't understand why you would behave this way.

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Like maybe his supplier won't work with him anymore?

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But he'll work with Alex's dad?

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Yeah.

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Maybe.

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I mean, you can launder it as though it's Alex's dad.

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I don't fucking know.

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I don't think so, because then he would discontinue all of those other products.

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I mean, we may see that in the future.

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That may end up happening down the road.

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That sounds like it would be the most likely thing to happen, right?

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For now, it's just weird.

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This is a strange thing.

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I wish I had more of a concrete answer on this, but I just...

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Well, we can at least be sure that he knows that it's a strange thing, because that's

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how he's advertising.

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Because he's acting weird.

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He's acting weird as shit.

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He's acting cagey as fuck.

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I think he knows on some level that this requires an explanation, and he's not being forthcoming.

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Let me start at the beginning, too.

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So about a year ago, I was like, everybody's trying to steal all my money, and I'm so sad.

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And my dad was like, I will bail you out for the three millionth time.

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Fine.

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Anyways, yada, yada, yada, I'm willing to destroy both of my businesses in order to

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hide money for my dad.

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There was another way to tell that story that isn't as weird.

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Maybe like this, we got some new products.

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That's one way.

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If you want to go back to a year ago, you could have the conversation with your dad,

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and you're like, hey dad, I'm having trouble.

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All of these people are trying to sue me.

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I'm under attack.

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Oh, no.

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I feel like I want to quit.

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And then my dad said, son, it's too important that you don't quit.

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You got to keep fighting.

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We will make this work however we need to.

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Exactly.

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That seems like a way you could rationalize these other products, and Alex is, he could

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be like, we're trying to diversify the revenue stream.

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There's ways to present this that don't sound like, I was going to quit, this is my dad's

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way of helping me quit, because that's what you would hear.

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That's exactly what he said.

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Yes.

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Those are the words that he said in the configuration that they are placed in.

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If words make sentences, then that's what he said.

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We have to start at, do words mean?

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We have to really assess first precepts.

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So Rex comes in.

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All right.

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Now, mike down for this, because Alex is explaining that Trump likes adult women.

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He doesn't like that Epstein stuff.

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And Rex is there with him.

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Rex.

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Rex is there.

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Cool.

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Love it.

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Let's talk a little bit and, uh, Alex responds like a parent.

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You know, the media tried to connect him to Epstein, even though he tried to be a member

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of his club.

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He kicked him out.

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I made a lot of checks before I backed Trump.

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I know what Trump likes.

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I know people that let's just say took care of Trump's women and Trump has the same taste

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I have in women, 500, 600 horsepower.

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He's not intimidated by thoroughbred women.

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It's these pitos that want 12 year old girls.

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That's not Trump.

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Trump doesn't want 12 year old girls, folks.

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He wants, well, look at his wife, Melania.

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That's what Trump wants.

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Trump wants what we would call premium beef.

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Stop being like that, Rex.

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The point is he likes full grown women.

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That's in that to me should never be on a show.

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Every single part of that was awful.

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You know, I wish that I had tried, I wish I had told, I hadn't told you that Rex was

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there because you could see Alex saying these things and then the added dimension of his

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son being sitting right there and then he comes in.

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Don't be like that.

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Well, he's like, hey, but everything Alex was saying would lead you to believe that

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this is what you should interject.

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That's what you're supposed to say.

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Trump likes premium beef, baby.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to, one, you're off to a great start objectifying women.

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You're doing a great job.

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Telling us something that we literally already know.

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He paid people to fuck him.

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There we go on that.

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And three, I also love denigrating women by comparing them to me.

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The scolding is strange.

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Don't be, I wish he would, I wish you, what he should have said is be better than me.

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That would have been great.

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Don't be like that.

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Be better than your old man.

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That is kind of the implication though, because they start talking about the governor's

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of South Dakota who was talking about how they didn't close things down and they were

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able to make things work.

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And Alex cannot stop sexualizing her.

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I think the people of South Dakota stepped up, they did the right thing and they trusted

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me.

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I trusted them and they made the right decision.

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His son is sitting next to him while he's grunting yes mommy at a picture or a video

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of the governor of South Dakota.

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Yeah.

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This is weird.

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That's inappropriate.

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That's weird.

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That's inappropriate.

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That's bad.

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That's bad parenting.

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It's a family show.

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It is a family show.

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I like her whiskey eyes.

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Yeah.

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And he just keeps going.

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You were at a professional bull riding event.

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It was the first major indoor sporting event with fans since March.

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How important was it?

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I wish that was a horse.

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I mean, what the fuck is going on?

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What the fuck was that?

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Jesus.

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All right, locker room talk on air with my son.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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There is just.

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It's not like Rex being, you know, on air and talking about like, oh, these dumb liberals

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and stuff and just repeating everything that his dad has.

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Give me a pat on the head.

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Please dad.

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Yeah.

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I mean, you can kind of understand how any like horrible thing could be like the product

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of trying to seek the attention of your father and at a certain point that excuse definitely

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falls apart.

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It falls away and we'll get there eventually I'm sure because Rex is on the road that he's

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on and it's unfortunate.

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But there is still a part of me that feels so powerfully like this kid is a kid.

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You know, it's, I would hate to be judged for things, things that I said when I was

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17.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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No, this is, this is totally like, I grew up in a small town.

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This is, this is every idiot I know.

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And then some of them went away to college, you know, the liberal brainwashing machine

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and then came back and we're like, that was fucking stupid that I said that.

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Like it was by escaping from the influence of your bad, bad parents.

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And you want to believe, you want to believe that there's a possibility that that could

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be something that happens.

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But at the same time, like how much of that is giving way too much of a benefit of a doubt?

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Well, I mean, he needs to be away from his parents before you can give him a, a like,

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your, your, your brain isn't fully formed kid.

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Well, I mean, you shouldn't be there.

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The way, the way I'm approaching this is that in this appearance, it's largely just standardized

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info wars stuff.

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And that doesn't rise to the level of me feeling the need to treat him like someone who's on

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info wars.

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Right, right, right, right.

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I will get to that point eventually, probably if things continue and then I will treat him

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as his own separate entity.

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And I do think he is an autonomous person who's able to make his own choices.

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And I just find it very difficult to get around the fact that he's also somebody who's had

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to deal with Alex Jones being his dad for, yeah, yeah, like that is, that is something

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that will like require years of therapy in order to, oh man.

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And I think my biggest problem with it is like, by no means do I think it's okay for

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him to do or say any of this bullshit?

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No.

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I think my biggest problem with it is until he's an adult, I'm just beating up on a kid.

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Do you know what I'm saying?

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True, true.

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Like I don't like that.

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If I, if I was like a teacher and he was a student, that's a, that's a context where

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it's my job now.

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But you have a relationship.

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To like, yeah, I've, I've, it's my responsibility to at least deal with this behavior as best

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as possible.

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Yeah.

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I'm just, I'm 30, I'm a, I don't even know how old I am, I'm in mid thirties and I'm

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just a stranger and this kid is on his dad's radio show, like I'm not going to beat up

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on a kid.

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Yeah.

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You know?

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I agree with that 100% and from where I'm sitting, my larger perspective on it kind

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of matches how I would feel if the feds were disappearing people at the Malheur refuge.

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Right.

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I disagree with the things that Rex is saying and I'm opposed to what he exists as in terms

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of a media entity, but I think the higher order problem is that Alex is doing this.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I don't, I don't think that it's appropriate and I think that that is more of a relevant

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point.

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But like I'm saying, there will come a point where that line is crossed, that Rex will

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be existing as much more of his own media entity self.

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I just, I'm not convinced personally that I have reached a point where I'm comfortable

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with that.

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And it sucks.

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I agree with you.

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It sucks.

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I mean, it's the same thing with like, I think that that Soph was a horrible person or I

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know a horrible person, they're a kid, but like a horrible entity saying racist, horrible

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shit on media platforms and you know, but I'm still, I'm not going to cover them appearing

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on Info Wars.

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It's still a 12 year old or whatever.

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It's still something that these adults should not have them on their show.

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He's exploiting a child.

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The only thing I have to say is the biggest problem here is a man exploiting a child and

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that it's his own child is real fucked up.

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I don't know which is more fucked up if it's not his kid or if it is his kid, but I don't

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know.

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We're never going to get to the bottom of that.

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That's true.

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So Alex is sexualizing the governor of South Dakota and now Rex gets in on it.

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Great.

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And this is another thing.

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It's like Alex, you shouldn't be doing this.

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When are we moving to South Dakota?

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Well, that was America.

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That's my new wife right there.

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This was the first major, I'm officially courting the South Dakota governor.

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They prayed before the event, forcing my wife sang the national Anthem.

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I was just proud to be there.

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This, this was a perfect example of what makes this country great and how your name is Mrs.

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Jones.

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See, there's an added dimension of creepiness to this, and that is that the South Dakota

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governor would be Rex's new mother, a new mom, a new mother and dad.

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When are we moving to South Dakota?

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So you can fuck that governor who has whiskey eyes.

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Hey dad, I'm 17.

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How about you go fuck the governor?

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Is she premium beef dad?

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Shit.

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This is just inappropriate on a whole lot of levels.

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I mean, it's inappropriate even if this were like a shock jock show, you know, like if

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this was just an Opie and Anthony style show, you kind of expect this sort of behavior there.

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How is Opie and Anthony doing?

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Both of them I assume are doing great, right?

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So I mean, Alex presents himself as a very different sort of broadcaster and in the conditions

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that he presents himself, this is unacceptable on a hundred different levels.

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Everybody needs to come right with God.

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And as we all know, God wants me to openly speculate on how much I want to fuck the governor

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of South Dakota in front of my son.

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Very weird.

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I've read the Bible cover to cover my friend twice as it mentioned.

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You gotta fuck South Dakota governors.

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So in this next clip, Alex, he sets Rex up for a race baity kind of bit, like a little

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bit of a scene.

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And Rex is wrong to engage in this, but I also think that this is just him doing exactly

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what his dad is initiating.

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I probably saw like three or four other people take off their masks briefly just so they

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could breathe.

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Because again, it's like 104, 105 degrees out.

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So he's talking about like being out at a protest.

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Texas, blazing sun, open air by the Capitol, clear blue skies.

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And every time one of those people would take their masks off for just five seconds.

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You said clear blue, white people have blue eyes.

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That's kind of racist.

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Am I about to get canceled?

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Rex, seriously, you need to apologize.

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Say that you're bad because you're white.

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I'm going to be donating all my, all the money I ever make in my life to Black Lives Matter

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now to make up for what I just said.

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I'm directly to Soros.

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directly to Soros because Soros isn't black, but he wants to help black people by destroying

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their community.

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I've learned that now.

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So, I mean, like it's a stupid bit, but it's exactly the bit that Alex is trying to initiate.

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That's what it's irrelevant.

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It's completely off topic.

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The clear blue sky, oh, white people have blue eyes.

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Let's do this racism against white people bit.

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It's and look like, yeah, fuck Rex too.

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But like Alex is the adult, right?

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He's no, no, no, no, it, it, it, I mean, I think we're all going to die because of deep

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seated daddy issues.

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I think, I think too many psychopathic dads have led to too many people in power and now

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we're all fucked.

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It's an interesting theory.

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So the issues, um, they talk about vampires a little bit here, but that's a little vampire

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teeth.

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But that's a drink.

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That sounds like a conspiracy theory.

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No, no.

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Just, just look at Colbert and bow to him.

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Imagine a child in the dark, kidnapped, chained down, begging for mommy for days, no food.

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All of a sudden that comes into view and he's here.

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He's in charge.

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He's the boss.

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He's going to have his way right now.

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In my opinion, in my opinion, Stephen Colbert looks like a pedophile.

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Well, no, he looks like a vampire devil worshiper.

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If my dad said stuff like that to me in private, I probably wouldn't talk to him for months

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at least.

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No, that's child abuse.

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It's not.

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He's not 18 yet.

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That's still technically child abuse.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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That's fucked.

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I just don't think that I find that I wrestled with the idea of like, is this even something

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we should talk about on the show?

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And probably if Alex hadn't been on break on Monday or Tuesday, we might've skipped

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past this.

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But it's deeply awful.

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It's the sort of thing that's unbecoming as a broadcaster.

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It's unbecoming as a professional critic of things.

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It's unbecoming as a person.

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Like it's just, it's trash.

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This is just trash.

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And I feel bad for Rex and I also feel bad that I feel bad for him.

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I don't know.

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I'm at this weird limbo state where-

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I mean, with this, this is so much, this is so fucked up for me personally because like

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I'm flashing back to when I was like 13 years old and I was like, I proudly like read the

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Bible in a week or whatever it is.

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And I told my dad and I was just like, I just want one to connect with my dad on a certain

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level and two for him to give me that huge like, you did good slugger.

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That's what I was going for.

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And when he says, I think Stephen Colbert looks like a pedophile, that is exactly the

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same.

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Or when he does that white bit.

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Like I can feel it in my bones.

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Yeah.

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It's the same thing.

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When he does the white bit, I can feel it in my bones.

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Just like, dad, I want to relate to you.

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Dad, I want your pad of approval.

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And even in this situation, he just can't get it.

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You shouldn't call him a pedophile.

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He's a vampire.

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Everything.

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Hey, don't act like that.

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Don't act like that.

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Don't do that.

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Don't act like that.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Don't say shit.

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You can't even give him a good job, son.

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Yeah.

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We're fucked.

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That is really interesting.

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I didn't even really realize that dynamic of the correcting of a vampire.

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Because Alex has to be the high status by sort of negging.

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And yeah, that like, don't call people premium beef.

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Now I'm going to spend a bunch of time muttering how the governor of South Dakota's mommy.

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Whiskey eyes.

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I'm going to make her your new mom.

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That is really interesting.

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It's fucked up.

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It's fucked up.

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Yeah.

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And I mean like, and maybe, maybe I'm projecting a little bit in the same way you're describing

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because like.

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I'm not projecting.

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I'm feeling this in my butt.

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Like this is, this is PTSD is what I'm feeling right here.

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When I was 18, I took multiple religious studies classes in college to try and connect with

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my dad.

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Totally.

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And my dad wasn't even Alex Jones.

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So like the level to which those approval seeking behaviors can lead you to do things

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that you might not have otherwise been inclined to do.

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Oh man, yeah.

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And that's what I'm getting at that's really difficult is like, I can empathize to a point.

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There will be a point that's crossed.

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And maybe Rex is up to that shit off Alex's show that I just don't make it my business

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to seek out.

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Maybe that's true.

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There's a decent chance.

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But in terms of this appearance, like the stuff that he's saying is all exactly like

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what you're describing is like, it's very easily categorizable as approval seeking behavior.

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God, why is it that everybody on this show makes me genuinely want them to get help?

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Like I'm mad at everyone around.

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I'm mad at them.

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I'm mad at everybody in this ecosystem they've created that keeps them from getting the serious

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psychiatric help they need.

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Yeah.

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So some people have speculated that Alex was drunk when he's doing this like, he's a vampire.

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And there's a tone of voice that does sound like he's drunk, but it doesn't make sense

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to me because he's not been acting drunk throughout most of this episode at all.

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It seems like the ignition would be way too fast.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But he does have a weird coughing fit.

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Okay.

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Let's put it back on screen.

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Judge him.

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Look at his soul.

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That's the enemy right there.

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In my opinion, he looks worse than Podesta in that picture.

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He's in the club, brother.

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If he didn't get up there, cause he's playing piddlywinks, COVID alert, COVID alert, God,

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if he does have COVID, I hate all of you.

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Oh, he's ready to bite.

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Oh shit.

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Even Piddo, go bear.

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So now the thing that's interesting about that is maybe he was trying to figure out

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who Haile Selassie was, ended up getting real, uh, smoking some trees.

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The camera is off him and on a still shot of a picture of a Podesta and Stephen Colbert.

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So I have no idea what's going on there.

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It could have been that he took like a big swig of booze and then he started coughing

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or something.

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Could be.

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Went down the wrong pipe.

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That's possible.

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Or it could just be that the camera wasn't on him because he was coughing and he looks

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veiny.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Doesn't look good.

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No.

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I don't know what the case is.

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My professional assessment of this is I don't necessarily think he was drunk.

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It's possible.

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I don't, I don't see the evidence of it.

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I would, I don't know because he is desperately sad.

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Yes.

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So that does tend to support the, he's been drinking the whole time, you know, but at

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the same time he was doing fine, generally speaking through the course of an episode

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that he's drunk on, we can pretty, you, you do a really good comprehensive job of taking

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us through the journey of like not drunk or he started out a little drunk.

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Here's where I think it went bad.

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Here's where it went bad.

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We're never blindsided by like, holy shit, suddenly he's drunk.

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I generally see an arc when these things, when he's fucked up and I don't know if that's

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necessarily the case.

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So you have one last clip here and you were asking if Rex got a pat on the head.

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Yeah.

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He got something quite different and here's how this, this comes to a close.

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America was built on Christian Western ideals and these people openly admit that they want

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to strip those Christian Western ideals away.

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What do you have to replace our ideals with?

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And then they think we're going to get scared of being demonized.

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So we stand out.

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Our system isn't perfect, but America, the idea of America and what Americans have done

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over the 200 something years that this has been, that this has been a country that's

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been beautiful.

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I want you to host the end of the show yourself.

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Thank you.

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Appreciate it.

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Do it.

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Take it over.

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That's what I was saying.

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He's waddling off now.

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So mid sentence, Alex is just like, you can host the rest of the show and he leaves.

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Alex just leaves.

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Does he straight up leave?

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He just walks off.

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He straight up leaves.

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Just leaves.

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Does Rex host the rest of the show?

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I mean, I listened to another like minute or two of it and then I turned it off because,

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I mean, he, he's 17.

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He doesn't have chops.

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No, of course he doesn't have chops.

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It's almost the end of the fourth hour.

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So like, I don't know, like if Alex came back like right at the end or whatever to be like,

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hey, you should buy these products my dad has, your grandpa has some products.

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Wow.

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It's very weird.

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Um, and, and you know, the reason that I said, I don't know if you could say you got a pat

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on the head is because.

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He did trust him to host the rest of the fourth hour, I guess.

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And Rex does seem to interpret it as such and says, thank you.

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Yeah.

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You know, that is sort of like a, I guess a show of trust in some ways.

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So you could interpret that as a pat on the head or you could interpret it as Alex is

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incredibly rude, interrupted mid sentence and then just left.

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I'm pretty sure my genuine gen general vibe is that was a temper tantrum, uh, because

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his son was talking too much and he didn't like not being the center of attention.

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Doesn't not feel that way.

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It doesn't not feel that way, doesn't it?

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Yeah.

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Oh boy.

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Anyway.

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Wow.

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Rex leave.

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Leave your dad.

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Emancipate.

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So this is, um, I don't know, this is a fucked up episode, but Alex, Alex kind of like, uh,

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uh, forced by hand by being out of studio.

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Right.

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And we, I mean, it's not like we're going to take another day off in the cards.

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So we, you know, we had an episode to do and it's important to check in on Alex.

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And what really forced my hand was the fact that he talked about Portland a little bit

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in a way that I haven't really heard him cover the situation at all.

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So it's really, really relevant to our interests and our coverage to see him be in support

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of the federal government because it's a tool and a weapon that can be used against his

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true enemies.

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Anybody who has sort of liberal ideas, you knew he was going to do it totally.

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You knew he was going to do it, but I still, I know I analyzed it the moment he actually

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straight upset it.

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I was like, there's always, there was still that part of me that's like, maybe this is

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going to be the one where he's like, I don't agree with Trump on this.

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I think this is a government overreach.

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I think he should continue doing everything else that he wants to do.

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It's hard not to get that like, okay, here's the line.

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There's gotta be something, but there just isn't.

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Just doesn't seem like it.

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Unless Trump comes for the guns, I guess.

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Unless Trump comes for Alex's guns, like individually.

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Yeah, maybe.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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It's, it's, it's interesting.

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But because of that, it really necessitated talking about this episode and then unfortunately

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because we're covering this episode and there isn't a Monday or Tuesday episode to fill

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things out, you know, we gotta talk a little bit about this fucked up weird shit with Rex.

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And then also, uh, you know, I might've just ignored the Hodge twins interview, but I think

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it's a really good case study of someone who I have no idea what their, their hustle is.

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And then you come in, you see these sort of telltale signs of like, this is scammy.

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And so, I mean, like, I just think this is.

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Yeah, it's fun when both you and Alex meet an alt-right personality and have no idea

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who they are.

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I have no reason to know who they are.

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He has them on his show.

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He has a little bit of a responsibility.

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You would think.

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And then I honestly think that maybe the most important thing to come out of this is this,

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the weird new product line.

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That's the thing I'm most interested in.

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Because if Alex is to be believed as someone who's competent at making sentences, this

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might be part of his exit strategy.

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Oh man, these, but let's not bank on that because how many times have you gone down

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this road?

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Then again, now that we know that this strategy has been in the works for a year, it does

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seem like whenever he has mentioned in the past that I want to, you know, at least he

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had a plan.

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Yeah, possibly.

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I don't know.

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We'll see what happens.

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We'll see.

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We'll see what happens on Friday.

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Indeed we will.

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But until then, Jordan.

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We do.

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And my book is at thequietpartloud.com.

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