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So real quick, when he said that these are some of the rumors and speculations, I found it incredibly confusing at first because he's just done this part where he's like the base, the Air Force base has heightened security.
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He was like, is he talking about those rumors? Yeah, are those the rumors or what? You're about to say the rumors.
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Right.
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And I had to go back and listen to it a couple times and I'm very certain that he's saying that the things that were reported before, the Air Force base, the FBI substation, all that stuff, that is not rumor.
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Those are true.
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What he's about to talk about is rumors.
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It was Jessica Rabbit.
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Remember, these are rumors, speculations.
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A local television station in Oklahoma City received a call from an unidentified male, reportedly speaking with a foreign accent, who stated that the Nation of Islam claimed responsibility for the bombing.
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I wonder how much utility there is in coming on a conspiracy paranoia-themed broadcast and just repeating random rumors about the bombing.
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Hey, these are rumors.
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Even if you preface them by saying they're just rumors and they are proven, it feels irresponsible.
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Even if it appears to be him really trying not to be, I just don't know what value it has to be like, well, here's something that people have said.
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Yeah, that is strange.
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How silly is it that he is rejecting that caller but is willing to accept his caller's bullshit instantaneously?
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Well, he's presumably talked to these callers a couple of times.
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Sure.
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And they pay him dues.
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Fair enough.
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I forgot about that part.
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They pay him dues?
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Yeah.
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Okay, well then I would believe people who paid him.
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You've got to pay to be in Kaji.
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Okay.
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So, Bill is reporting that this local station did receive this call claiming that the Nation of Islam took responsibility, but he's not being precise with his own reporting.
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This station in Oklahoma was KFOR, and after this anchor said that they'd received this call, another anchor said, quote, it could be a crank call.
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They were not even reporting this as anything real themselves, but while we're on the subject, fuck them for saying that on air.
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Even if they pointed out that it might be a crank call, go fuck yourself.
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Yeah.
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That doesn't bring anything to anybody.
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Yeah.
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That's some pretty irresponsible stuff.
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Bill's only point was that some media outlets were putting out sloppy work. I'd probably be on very similar pages, though.
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Yeah, yeah.
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If that was it.
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But even this discussion of the report on KFOR isn't even done right.
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That's crazy.
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Yeah.
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Everybody's making the same mistake.
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I expect it from a shortwave conspiracy theorist.
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Uh-huh.
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You know, not just like, hey, I got a call that says I can refinance my mortgage and also it could have been Middle Easterns who did the bombing.
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I don't know.
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I just get calls.
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Hooray.
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Just some weird caller to this local station.
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There were also other people repeating this.
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On another broadcast, Dave McCurdy, former Democratic congressman, promptly came on television and repeated the same unsubstantiated rumor.
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So this isn't accurate.
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Dave McCurdy was a former Oklahoma congressman and he did get on air and he connected the bombing to Hamas, not to the Nation of Islam.
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UPI reported on his comments, quote, my first reaction was there could be a very real connection to some of the fundamentalist groups operating around the city, the former congressman said.
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He said a number of Muslim fundamentalist groups, some with links to Hamas, had recently held a convention in the area.
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You begin to think that maybe Khaji is not good at detail work.
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Nah, not there.
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Not there.
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I mean, this has got to just be Bill like reading more stuff that his listeners have prepared.
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Yeah.
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I start to wonder if he does anything.
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You could just go get the quote yourself.
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True.
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You know, it's there.
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Yeah.
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By the time he's doing this broadcast, he could just go look at the quote.
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Conceivably, he could even go cut it out of the show.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, exactly.
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It would be a little bit more difficult than it is today, but could still do it.
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If he wanted to do any work.
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Well, I mean, it's just Khaji people doing it.
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It's just Khaji people.
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I'm pretty sure.
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It's wild.
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So, here's another little bit of a rumor that's going around.
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Another report from the scene stated that firefighters going through the rubble of the
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federal building discovered other explosive devices and plastic which had been allegedly
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kept in the offices of the ATF located in the federal building.
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That's the alcohol, tobacco, and firearms.
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That particular report, unlike all of the others heard today, was never reported again.
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We've also not heard it mentioned further on the scanner.
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It was either a true rumor, or if it was true, was quickly squashed.
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So, this again is something that Bill is talking about in the context of this list of rumors,
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but you can hear the insinuation in his tone.
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He's not reporting this as a rumor, and honestly, as far as rumors go, you shouldn't report
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them unless you're explicitly debunking them and you make that very clear.
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It's unhealthy to shruggingly report rumors and entertain the possibility that maybe they're
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true.
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When you operate like this, the only real outcome that comes of it is the dumber elements
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of an audience.
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Ignore the part where you say it's just a rumor and they come to accept the rumor as
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true.
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Anyone listening has probably already heard these rumors somewhere already, so what's
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the value in repeating them and saying, these are just rumors.
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They may or may not be true.
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It's just lazy as hell, and it doesn't bring anything to the table.
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And it definitely makes it so a year or two later, somebody can just be like, ah, I'm
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pretty sure I remember that there was something about the ATF hiding stuff.
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You completely forget the part where it's like, oh yeah, Bill said that was a rumor.
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Yeah, no, it's just a data point now, or whatever they call it.
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So the quote-unquote report of finding explosive parts in the rubble did not disappear, as
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Bill is imagining, and it actually dogged the ATF for quite a while.
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In September 1995, they released a statement saying that they were, quote, absolutely no
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explosives in their office, and that there were a few things in the office that could
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be mistaken for explosives.
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According to a 1996 article in the Washington Post, citing a Dallas ATF spokesman, quote,
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these items were not explosives, but rather devices designed for training purposes that
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never contained explosive materials.
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He said these types of items are used as explanatory props in court cases.
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Obviously, you don't want to bring a fucking pipe bomb to court.
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You're trying to demonstrate it.
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And then he ripped both sleeves off, and he's like, these are the only explosives in the
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ATF!
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Woo!
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In Timothy McVeigh's trial, one of the bombs that was supposedly found was explained by
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Mike Shannon, the Special Operations Chief of the Oklahoma City Fire Department, as being,
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quote, a desk ornament from an ATF agent that was knocked into the stairwell, a desk clock
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that had the appearance of a very typical type of what you'd see in a TV or comic strip
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of a bomb, and it was in the stairwell, and people were really nervous at the time.
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There was a burlap sack with a big money sign printed on it.
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These were the sort of things that were mistaken for possible bombs, and then reported by media
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outlets that were eager to get out any possible news.
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When you hear things like in the police scanner, the report of a possible second device found,
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you don't really know what all the details are, and it's easy to get the wrong impression.
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Now, here's the thing.
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Bill Cooper repeating a rumor about the ATF is not just a guy repeating a rumor for the
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sake of bringing erroneous news to the audience's awareness.
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Oh, does he have a history with the ATF?
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Bill and all the militia-patriot community fucking hate the ATF.
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So the repeating of a rumor about them having bombs in their office has a heavy suggestiveness
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to it.
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I refuse to believe that Bill wouldn't be aware of that.
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Like, he can pretend he's just discussing rumors, but that's bullshit.
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Yeah.
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That is not what this is.
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Oh, there's a rumor going around that the organization that I hate most in the entire
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world has got bomb pieces around.
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I'm not saying that they're doing it, but if you don't hear about it again, that's because
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they fucking covered it up, and you know it.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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So, one more little piece of rumor here before I start to hate Bill.
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I don't - maybe I - maybe I think I hate him.
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I think I hate him.
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We'll see.
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A later radio report made mention of a rocket launcher being found in the debris, which
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was supposed to have also been in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms Office.
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That report also has never been repeated, substantiated, or denied.
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You ended with denied.
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It hasn't been denied.
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I understand that.
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The ominous music.
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Yeah.
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So this one's actually true.
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No shit.
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They had a rocket launcher?
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Yep.
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That's fun.
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The folks who were going through the debris did actually find a rocket launcher in the
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wreckage of the building.
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There's even a picture of it in the final action report about the bombing.
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It sounds completely outlandish that there would be a rocket launcher in the debris of
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a building, but it's important to remember there were multiple different law enforcement
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agencies that had offices there.
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Right, right, right.
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The DEA, Secret Service, and ATF all had regional offices in the building, so some of the stuff
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that would end up being found would obviously not be what you'd expect in a normal pile
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of debris.
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Right.
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Bill is exploiting the normal reaction a person would have to hearing about a rocket launcher
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being found in order to insinuate that something nefarious is going on.
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He doesn't offer any explanation for why this find might not be as weird as it sounds,
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he just repeats it as gossip that may be true and is being covered up, maybe, or maybe it's
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just bad intel.
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It was true, and it's not that weird, and no one was covering it up.
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It was reported in the AP the next day, April 20th.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Check out this fucking rocket launcher, right guys?
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Hey, that's weird.
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Yeah, I don't, I just don't care.
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Yeah.
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So, I mentioned I might be starting to hate Bill.
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Yeah.
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And I think this is where it all, like all that so far was just like, this is irresponsible.
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I mean, it's bad, it's bad work the day of like a national tragedy, but what do you expect?
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Right.
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This is where I was like-
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This is where we step off the ledge.
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I think I fucking hate you.
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The hour of the time is brought to you, ladies and gentlemen, by Swiss America Trading.
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We suggest that if you want protection of your assets against what is sure to come,
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and this is just a taste, those of you who have been listening to this broadcast for
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a long period of time, you know many of you have already prepared as prediction after
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prediction comes true right on schedule, not because I'm psychic, not because God talks
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to me.
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Not because I look into a crystal ball, not because I'm in contact with extraterrestrial
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beings or channel the ascended masters, but because I've studied for the last 25 years.
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Listening to that clip, you can almost see Alex doing a Bill Cooper impression.
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He talks all the time about how he doesn't know what the globalists are doing because
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of magic powers, but because he's studied them.
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This is Alex's schtick to a T, down to the paranoia-fueled sales pitch for gold.
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He brings up his gold sponsor and then starts talking pretty paranoid-ish.
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And it descends even further into a deep paranoia about how shit's going down.
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The incidents of terrorism will escalate.
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The power of the police state will escalate exponentially.
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All right, calm it down.
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All nations and all people will be disarmed.
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There are Russian agents in this country now supervising the disarmament of the United
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States of America, and we have people in Russia supervising, supposedly, their disarmament
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also.
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So, Russian agents are disarming us and we're disarming Russia or whatever, you know, terrorism's
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going to escalate exponentially.
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That's bad news.
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Yeah.
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That's bad news, but it gets worse.
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It's the summer of rage.
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This is going to affect you on the local level, too.
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Oh no, not on my local level.
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Uh-huh.
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I'll say this again so that there is no misunderstanding.
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As this state of chaos develops, as local anarchy takes form, food will disappear from
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the supermarket shelves.
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The economy will collapse.
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Those who have not prepared are going to find themselves in a ditch.
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Whoa!
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Minnesota has love, I'm embarrassed.
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These are harsh warnings, but they are real, true warnings and they come from my heart,
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from a position of knowledge.
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This is not conjecture, this is what is planned for America.
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So you're going to be in a ditch.
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Sure, that's the plan.
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But those who will not take sides, either with the new world order or with patriots
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in this country, will be the flotsam and jetsam upon the tides of war and will be at the mercy
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of the victor.
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I gotta pause right there just really quick before he gets through this.
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I would assume that should the patriots win, you shouldn't say that we're going to enslave
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people who didn't pick a side.
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I really think that's kind of what he said.
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I'm pretty sure that's kind of what he said.
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I feel like your bad guys, if they win, they should enslave the people who stayed out of
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it.
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Right.
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You're supposed to be the good guys.
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Yeah.
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You're not supposed to take it out on people who sat out.
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This is a bad binary.
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I don't like this choice.
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No shit.
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Yeah.
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That might be a little bit of-
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I prefer neither.
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Can we pick neither?
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Nope.
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You're going to be flotsam and jetsam.
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One gold or silver coin could save your life.
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Really?
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No one during that period of time will accept paper money under any circumstances.
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Why?
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If you do not have something useful or real money to trade on a black market, you will
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be helpless.
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You will be hungry, and you will be without shelter.
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They're stealing your house?
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I suggest you call 1-800-280-46, and I suggest you watch my predictions-
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So here we- that's some real Alex shit.
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Yeah.
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This is just a gold sales pitch masquerading as coverage of what Bill thinks is coming
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in response to the Oklahoma City bombing.
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And make no mistake about this, this is from the night of the bombing.
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He's on air saying that there will be escalating terrorism, local anarchy, food shortages,
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and a financial collapse, and if you and your family don't have gold or silver to barter
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with, you're fucked.
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This is as manipulative and evil as pretty much anything I've ever heard from Alex in
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terms of sales pitches, and I fucking hope Bill's gold sponsor paid well, because hearing
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that really put Bill into a different category for me.
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Yeah, that's-
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I would like to think that Bill was above something like that, but clearly he's not.
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He's willing to let his sensationalism run wild in a time when his audience is particularly
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confused and scared while trying to sell them gold, which is going to save them in the coming
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dark times.
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Yeah.
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Bill did call out that his show is sponsored by this gold sales operation, so at least
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it's a little more above board than Alex in terms of, like, disclosure, but that really
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doesn't matter in a context like this.
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What he's doing is abusive sales practices, and if that's in your move set, every other
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move you have becomes very suspicious.
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That's the same thing as Alex being like, zinc will save your life.
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He's literally saying that gold will save your life.
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One piece of gold could save your life.
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He literally said that.
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You will die.
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Right.
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You will be in a ditch unless you have at least one piece of gold.
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And-
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So kidnap a leprechaun or call this number.
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I'm not fully convinced that he doesn't also really love gold, right?
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But when you're in the middle of a plug for your gold sponsor, you can't act like that.
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If you say things like that and you don't have a gold sponsor, then it's like, well,
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you're a little bit sensational, whatever.
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But there's clearly a financial tie to this, and that's really, really, really fucked up,
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and I just can't allow it.
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Yeah, that's almost the FDA should send a letter.
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Gold cannot save your life.
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It is not a prescription unless you have a full-on doctor's note.
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Yeah.
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So Bill gets into talking about how he's been right about every prediction of future events.
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They always have.
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Except for one, and that is the trial of Manuel Noriega.
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Sure.
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He got that one wrong.
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That'll happen.
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Every other one-
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That'll happen.
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You can't get them all right.
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And the reason that he got the Manuel Noriega one wrong is because he thought that Manuel
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Noriega would have sovereign immunity, and so the US couldn't try it.
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Sure.
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Or something.
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The US doesn't usually go into other countries and fuck them up.
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That'd be crazy.
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For under international law, they have immunity.
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So do all diplomats.
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You're going to see that disappear also.
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The sovereignty of nations is no more, including the sovereignty of the United States of America.
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Sure.
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The military forces, the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines are functioning as the police
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force of the United Nations under publication 7277.
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So Bill was in the middle of this rant about how he's never been wrong about any prediction
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other than the Noriega one, which is meant to give credibility to his prediction of all
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the horrible stuff that's coming, which was only in order to strengthen his goal pitch.
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He starts there saying that people other than heads of state who have sovereign immunity
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are diplomats, but that's going away.
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Now 25 years later- I think Die Hard 2 came out just around this
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time too.
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Maybe.
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So diplomatic immunity was a very popular thing.
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Yeah, maybe.
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But that prediction was wrong.
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Anyway, also that document 7277 is a favorite of Alex's.
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It's the thing he claims proves that the UN plans to disarm the United States.
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We've talked about it a ton in the past, so just as a reminder, it was a plan that was
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proposed but never enacted in any way.
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It was released in 1961 during a period of severe tension between the United States and
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the Soviet Union, where people felt that a nuclear war could arrive any day, and thus
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plans for peaceful de-escalation were sometimes a bit idealistic in conception, and that was
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definitely the case with 7277.
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The first stage of that proposed plan involves limiting the United States and Soviet armed
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forces to 2.1 million persons each, which definitely has not been done.
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We're a little bit over that benchmark, but Russia's army is currently at about 3.5 million,
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so clearly that stage has not been met.
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It's a plan that's a bit utopian, but it was proposed by us, has never been enacted, and
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was the product of Cold War desperation.
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It's basically just lived on as a boogeyman of the hard-right folks and the Minutemen
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and the John Birch Society as proof that the globalists want to take their guns when it
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wasn't even about individual disarmament to begin with had to do with states.
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Yeah, that's great.
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That's great.
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Good work, guys.
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Yeah.
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So that's another little direct parallel of a document that Bill and Alex both use.
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So at the beginning of the show, you know, within a minute of it starting, Bill was insinuating
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that this was a false flag, and that insinuation becomes more explicit as we go along.
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What happened today in Oklahoma City was a part of the agenda to bring about the new
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world order.
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You watch as the stories continue to unfold.
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It is no accident that this occurred on the second anniversary of the Waco massacre.
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Correct.
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This is where Bill's whole shtick completely falls apart, or at least it should for anyone
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who's paying attention.
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Earlier, he was complaining about rumors flying around, and seems to be particularly put off
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by people speculating about estimated death tolls.
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But now, before his show is even over, he's clearly staking a claim that this was a false
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flag, which he has in no way proven.
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Bill is comfortable deciding on the entire narrative and the overarching truth of the
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event, with no proof at all, but demands someone prove exactly how many people died by 4.30
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pm or else they're out of line and being irresponsible.
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There's a very serious disconnect here, and it's a problem.
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The fact that Bill has clearly already decided on the day of the bombing that it was a false
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flag, that's going to affect how he processes new information about it.
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He has a predetermined conclusion already, and he's publicly declared where he's planting
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his flag.
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Do you think he's going to go out of his way to debunk the claim he's already committed
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to based on years of supposed research that he's done?
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This is a massive problem for me.
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Bill presents himself as the guy who insists you do your research.
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He's the guy who scolds his callers for repeating things they just heard somewhere.
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He's the guy who complains about rumors in the aftermath of a tragedy, and yet here he
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is deciding with zero proof that this bombing was done to advance the new world order.
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It's just a really sad betrayal of what's supposed to be his brand.
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Between this and the gold sales thing, you really start to see a different picture of
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Bill.
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He's kind of the same piece of shit that all these guys are, he's just a little bit more
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serious about himself.
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Yeah, it's a real bummer.
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Yeah, but it's a real bummer.
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You know, it is what it is.
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Yeah, that's true.
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So Bill is clearly mad about Waco.
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Yeah.
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Like, it's very clear in his- Somebody else was that day, too.
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I don't know what you're talking about.
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Yep, that is true.
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Maybe two others, if you count Timothy McVeigh and Alex Jones.
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Yeah, there's that, yeah.
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So Bill's mad at the FBI about that, and because of that, he thinks that any involvement of
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the FBI in investigating the Murrah Building bombing is no good.
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Around 5.30 PM, our Washington people began meeting with the governor and the governor's
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mansion supposedly to get coordinated with the federal investigators sent in by Waco
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Reno, and the governor has announced that the entire investigation is now in the hands
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of the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
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Should we cheer?
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The last time anyone's lives were in the hands of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, they
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were burnt crisp.
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Well, it's not the last time.
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They wore t-shirts.
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There's been a few more since then.
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Inhaling their Texas barbecue.
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Right.
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That is definitely a selection problem.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So I mean, you know, you can clearly tell that he's not coming from an unbiased place.
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Whatever resentments and feelings that he has are definitely a big part of how he's
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interpreting events before he has any reason to think those things, and that's pretty essential
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to understand, and it really leads him to be sloppy as hell, and it's really embarrassing
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when you start to look at some of the things that he's taking the time to make a point
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of, like this.
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At 7 p.m. Oklahoma time, a call over the scanner reported packages discovered at the Medallion
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Hotel and a request was made for a bomb dog to be taken to the hotel, but a search of
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the phone directory shows that there is no such hotel listed in the Oklahoma City phone
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book.
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If anything transpires on that, we will, of course, let you know.
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So I can't speak to whether or not Bill or his listeners were able to find the Medallion
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Hotel on the phone book, but I can tell you with absolute certainty that there is a Medallion
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Hotel in Oklahoma City at this point.
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An article in The Oklahoman from October 29th, 1996 discusses its reopening, its full reopening.
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Some parts were shut down because they were in the middle of an $8 million renovation
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project.
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I was even able to find a February 1995 article about the beginning of the renovation project,
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like that hotel exists.
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There's a New York Daily News story from May 7th, 1995 about how Tom Brokaw apparently
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got really mad at someone at the Medallion Hotel because they'd lost his reservations
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when he was there covering the bombing.
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God dammit.
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The petty image of that aside, this article also points out how the Medallion stepped
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up in a major way and offered rooms to people who were injured in the bombing as well as
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rescue workers who really needed a place to stay, so good for you, Medallion.
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In 1998, the Medallion was bought by Capstar and it was renamed the West End Oklahoma City,
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and it has since been renamed again in 2004 to the Sheridan.
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Anyway, the point here is that Bill is reporting this news as if it's a gotcha moment.
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They heard on the scanner that a bomb-sniffing dog was sent to the Medallion, but they can't
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find it in the phone book, and this is worth bringing up on the show?
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All this proves is that his investigative team couldn't find a hotel that definitely
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exists in the phone book.
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Did they not think to take a second step to figure out if the hotel was real, or did they
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just flip through a few pages and decide Bill needed to know about this?
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Did you guys check the Yellow Pages as well?
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Uh oh.
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Oh no.
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Catchy.
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You missed it!
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It's only four blocks away from the Murrah Building, so this doesn't seem like something
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that would be the hardest thing to get to the bottom of.
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Did they literally not ask anyone, hey, do you know where the Medallion is?
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What do they think this also, what do they think this proves?
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Like, they think the Medallion isn't real?
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Also supposedly you've got a guy in there, you could just have him walk to the Medallion.
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There's two people.
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Yeah, there's two people in there, come on, man.
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I don't know what they're, I guess the theory is that they're speaking in code, like the
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Medallion Hotel means something else, because why the fuck else are you bringing this up
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on the show?
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It's meaningless.
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Yeah, that's, that's real weird.
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This is a dud of a scoop from Bill and Kaji, also don't fucking hold your breath on them
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giving any updates on this when they realize it's a real hotel.
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We looked into the Red Roof Inn and it seems as though no such company exists.
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Ridiculous nonsense.
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So that makes this a little harder to swallow.
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As you have heard tonight, this is the only complete and factual report that has occurred
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through any media all day long.
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That is due to the people who have dedicated their resources and their lives and have taken
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an oath as officers and men and women of the intelligence service of the Second Continental
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Army of the Republic.
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So that's apparently what Kaji is.
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I don't like that at all.
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I don't like that at all.
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It's not pleasant.
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So really factual show.
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I mean, I will say that like there are parts that I'm not playing that are just like, you
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know, the Red Cross set up a blood drive center.
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He's saying stuff like that that's like uncontroversial and like, yes, that did happen.
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So there are some factual pieces of it, but I mean, the overall picture that you get from
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listening to this is not a thorough and factual reporting.
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It's very clearly stilted in one direction.
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It's a factual reporting with little bits that I really want to put in there just so
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you know what I'm saying.
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You know what I'm saying.
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And so Bill has like a more solid prediction of what's going to happen.
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And then after this, he starts playing the audio of the bomb repeatedly.
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Oh, that's not good.
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Almost like it's a trance, you know, like he'll play it and then he'll say something
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and then play it again and then say something.
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It's very weird.
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That's really fucked up.
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Yeah, it is.
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I don't want to listen to them.
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It was unnerving.
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We're not going to listen to it like in its entirety, but we'll listen to like a tiny
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bit of the end of the sound and then him saying something.
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I just wanted to give you a sense of like what the structure of this like couple minutes
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is.
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Memorize that sound, ladies and gentlemen, you will hear it more and more in America.
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Not because I want it and believe me, I have nothing whatsoever to do with it.
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I didn't think you did until just now of the emerging one world totalitarian socialist
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state.
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It is furthering the agenda of the disarmament of the American people and indeed the peoples
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in the nations of the world.
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It is a deceit.
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It is a lie.
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It is a manipulation.
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So you know, he's predicting that there's going to be more bombings and it's going to
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bring in the new world order and then he goes to playing the bomb sound effect more.
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Hezbollah has no truck with April the 19th.
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No patriot in this country would ever attack our government without being attacked by this
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government first, I can assure you.
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No fundamentalist religious organization has any reason to bomb any building in Oklahoma
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City.
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We all know in our hearts why this was done and whose agenda it furthers.
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So we all know who did this.
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So I'm sorry, the repeated playing of the bomb sound is a little bit after this.
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It got mixed up because the first one, the first time in this stretch that he plays the
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bomb, there's a little bit more of him talking before he gets into the boom over and over
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again.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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So yeah, we all know in our hearts though.
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I don't think we do.
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I think I do.
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I don't think I don't think he and I agree heart wise.
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Well, when you're a guy who's on the radio and your whole big thing is like, prove it,
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you don't get to say we know in our hearts who did this.
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No, I'm pretty sure that we know in our hearts is proof.
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You don't really get to do that and just keep the facade up that you're some kind of a like
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a researcher.
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All of those other media outlets are lying about the death count.
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You don't know if there's a hundred or twenty two.
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That's all we know right now.
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Obviously this was a false flag attack, naturally.
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It's a little, it's a little much.
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So in this next clip, he's already predicted that there's going to be more bombs and he
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repeats this prediction like in really, really quickly after.
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Remember that sound.
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You will hear it again in America and again and again until they realize their goal of
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their utopian totalitarian socialist world government.
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What is happening furthers an agenda.
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So it's really hard to capture something like this by just playing clips, but I want to
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stress to you that at the end of this episode, Bill is making a very serious point of predicting
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that there will be more bombings as the New World Order brings in their utopian socialist
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tyranny.
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This is an important point of the conspiracy that Bill is spinning about the event being
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a false flag.
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This prediction essentially sets a condition where if you see more bombings, Bill's credibility
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goes up.
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This is a pretty common trick that scam folks and propagandists use, like when Alex says
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that there's going to be more mass shootings and somehow this prediction proves his assertion
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that the current mass shooting is a false flag.
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I'll give Bill some points for difficulty, though.
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Weapons are a bit less common than mass shootings in the Alex Jones time period, but it's the
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same behavior.
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I don't understand.
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Does he believe that because he's in those circles, he knows people.
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He knows the hard right people.
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I'm not saying he knew Timothy McVeigh, but he knows people like Timothy McVeigh.
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He knows a lot of people in the militia patriot world.
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I think that he thinks himself to be a leader of the patriots and the militias, the Second
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Continental Army.
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So he thinks that because he says we would never do this unless it was quote-unquote
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self-defense, that means all of the militia people believe that same thing.
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Well, isn't that the no true Scotsman kind of thing?
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Sure.
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You define who is and who is not a militia patriot by, well, if they killed a person,
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they couldn't possibly.
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Not in our group.
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Yeah.
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I think there's some of that.
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Then I also think that maybe Bill has some idealistic ideas about the group of people
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that actually do believe the same things as him.
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I think whether it's sincere or performance-based, there's a naivete to the world that he swims
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in.
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I guess, but I mean, you got to know some of those people are chomping at the bit.
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Right.
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How would that serve his interest to be aware of that?
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For sure.
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You can't get on the radio and be like, hey, let's be honest.
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We are surrounded by angry racists.
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There's a lot of them around.
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Some of them are crypto in nature, but hey, look, there's some dangerous fucking people.
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Yeah.
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Hey, I love the constitution.
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I'd love to protect it against tyranny, but guess what?
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A bunch of my friends are fucking scary.
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Yeah.
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That doesn't seem good.
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That does seem like the head of the police unit coming out and being like, did you guys
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know cops are crazy, man?
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These people are murderers.
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Holy shit.
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I think it doesn't work for your ends.
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I think that might be against the rules.
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So this is where he's just like coming in and out of the bomb sound effect.
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It's just, this is ridiculous.
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This is unacceptable.
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It is not our agenda.
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Jesus.
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Yeah.
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Jesus.
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It's a presentation that is deeply fucked up.
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I felt very weird listening to that.
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This is a 1960s cold war, like get under your fucking desk if the big one drops.
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There are shades of that.
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Jesus Christ.
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So as the episode closes, Bill is trying to ram into his audience's head that this was
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a false flag.
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Can't be.
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It is the agenda, ladies and gentlemen of the world, totalitarian, socialism, and don't
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you ever in your wildest dreams forget it.
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It will come again.
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Good night, and God bless you all.
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We just doing this then.
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Jordan, that song is a song that Alex plays all the time.
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He plays the Leonard Cohen version of it though, but he plays that all the time.
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It's a very interesting thing.
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I've never heard that on any other radio show.
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The song that Bill ends his Oklahoma City show with is a common bumper music from Alex's
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show.
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Not necessarily a concrete connection, but it's very interesting.
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It's very weird to me when I was listening to that April 19th episode, the fact that
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he started by talking about the fucking Minnesota Bill, that blew my mind.
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That's scary shit.
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Then when I listened and it got to the end and that was the song that he went out with,
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I was just like, that's weird.
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I only know that song from Alex.
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Alex probably stole literally everything from Bill.
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I mean, look at it.
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The paranoid sensationalism in service of a gold sale, there's so much here that is
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just very Alex-y.
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Very, very.
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So we get to the 20th and we see things continuing in a weird way.
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One of the things that I think is the most important is you see the way that Bill is
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kind of playing volleyball by himself.
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He sets himself up and then he spikes a ball and he starts out the show with something
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that he believes is a spike.
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And I hate to tell you this, ladies and gentlemen, because I just can't stand being right when
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I'm right about these things.
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A pipe bomb located under a wheelchair access ramp exploded around 2.15 p.m. Eastern Daylight
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Time at the Provincial Legislature Building in Charlottetown, Prince Edward Island, Canada.
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The legislature was in session, the bomb blew out the windows on three floors, the glass
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came in on the legislators, one person sitting on a bench outside the building was injured,
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no suspects have been found, security has been beefed up.
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I told you this will escalate, and I'm not joking, ladies and gentlemen, this is not
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funny.
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They will do anything, the end justifies the means is their philosophy, you read my book,
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you know what I'm talking about, you know what they're prepared to do, anything.
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Anything and everything to get their utopian world government.
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So this is a really good example of how conspiracy theory works and how it leads people astray,
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even if they think that they're operating as critical actors.
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On his April 19th show, Bill announced his prediction that there would be more bombings
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as the utopian socialists tried to bring in their authoritarian state.
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And then, the next day, he finds a piece of news about another bombing, and this is enough
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to prove to him that his prediction was right, and thus he must be on the right track about
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the bigger picture, namely that the bombing was not the act of organic terrorism.
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How could it possibly be a solitary terrorist attack if there was another bombing the next
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day?
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You can easily see how if you didn't take a step back, this can be an attractive thinking
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pattern, but ultimately, it's a bad one.
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The bombing in Prince Edward's Island was done by a man named Roger Charles Bell, who
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wasn't actually arrested until December 1996, so Bill would have no idea who he was at this
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point at all when he's on air.
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Bell was a disgruntled former teacher who decided to lash out at society by carrying
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out bombings.
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He struck first in 1988, when he set off a pipe bomb in front of the provincial law courts
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building.
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He laid low for six years, then bombed again, leaving a pipe bomb in a trash can in a Halifax
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park.
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From this point, he seemed to escalate his pattern, with this legislature bombing in
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April 1995, and then an attempted attack on a propane plant in Charlottetown in June 1996.
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Holy shit!
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Yeah, that would have been bad.
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Luckily, that one did not work out.
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Yeah, that guy's a serial bomber who went after a fucking damn!
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After his 1995 bombing, he began sending messages to the police using the alias Loki 7.
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One of these messages that has been published since had a swastika as the header and the
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title, quote, Toward a Final Solution.
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The body of his message said, quote, the latest attack by Loki 7 was directed at the corporate
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welfare bums who are the masters of the thieving scoundrels in Canada's bought and paid for
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legislature and courts, the trike of greedy businessmen, thieving politicians, and venal
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injustice officials may run, but they cannot hide.
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Operations against these and other enemies of the people will be continued by Loki 7.
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Heil Thor.
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Oh, wow.
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Wow.
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You know, I, one of my big issues with a lot of these manifestos and threatening letters
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and the like is too many adjectives.
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Too many adjectives.
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If I was editing it, I would just say, cut a little bit of it out.
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Just saying.
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And then using-
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Venal?
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Come on.
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Using Troika is a little bit showy.
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Yeah, come on.
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A little showy.
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Get the fuck out of here.
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So after his botched 1996 propane plant bombing, police had narrowed down the list of suspects
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down to basically just him and had him under surveillance around the clock.
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Bell would plead guilty to the bombings and be sentenced to 10 years in prison.
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That's it?
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I don't think he killed anybody is the thing.
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I'm not advocating for more.
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It's also Camden.
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Wow, that's fair.
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It's not the US.
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That's fair.
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So yeah, this story is pretty well fleshed out and it definitely wasn't on April 20th,
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1995.
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When Bill Cooper is on air making connections between the Oklahoma City bombing and this
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bombing in Prince Edward Island, he has absolutely no reason to do so except that he wants to.
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If your process largely consists of drawing connections between things that you decide
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must be related, then sure, they're both bombs, so I can see how you'd connect them, but it's
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just a sign of a very undisciplined set of standards for reaching a conclusion.
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It's the same sort of thing you see Alex Jones doing whenever he's in the middle of trying
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to craft a narrative when something happens.
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You connect all kinds of unrelated things.
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What was it?
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There was one thing he did that with with the Boston bombing.
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The Rison letters.
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That was actually the eldest impersonator of the guy who hated him.
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The connecting of that makes sense to Alex on that day, but it's ultimately completely
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not true.
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And so now, because Bill on the 19th predicted more bombings, he's going whole hog into this
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and it's wrong.
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It's absolutely wrong.
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And as we find out only after all the details are in, the only connection to them is that
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Nazis like bombing things.
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I don't know if that dude was a Nazi.
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I mean, he did have a swastika on there, but it did seem like fucked up kind of, you know,
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I don't know.
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I feel like you get a swastika, you get a Nazi.
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That's my feeling.
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You're right.
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I'm just going to go there.
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I mean.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I don't know.
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It's not like you can weasel your way out of the swastika.
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Yeah.
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I just, you know how it's like an old Hindu symbol.
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Sure.
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I was thinking maybe it's a Norse symbol too, and I just don't understand it because there's
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such heavy Norse shit in there.
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Also Thor, the white supremacist.
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But he calls himself Loki.
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Yeah, I know, but that's the master race.
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That's the type of shit going on there.
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There's a possible connection there.
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Anyway, maybe it is much more certain that that dude was a Nazi-ish.
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I'm going to go with him.
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He probably was.
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I just don't know enough about a lot of that part of the case.
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Yeah, I know.
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You want to confirm it, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say if you throw a swastika
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up, I'm going to call you a Nazi.
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I'm comfortable with that.
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So in this next clip, Bill gets to speculating about what the motive might be for them bombing.
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Ooh, ooh.
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I have an idea.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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You have the wrong suspect.
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I have the wrong idea?
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You're the wrong suspect.
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Damn it.
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Hold on to it.
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Okay.
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Remember every time a piece of gun legislation was coming up in Congress, somebody would
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walk into a McDonald's somewhere and blow away a whole bunch of people?
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Yeah.
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Connect those dots.
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I said it would happen.
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I told you it was going to happen.
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I told you who these people would be, and I told you that this was going to happen too.
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And unfortunately, I'm right.
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You see, the Omnibus Counterterrorism Bill is sitting in Congress, and has all kinds
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of opposition up until now.
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Watch it.
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Watch it be put on a freight train and passed through Congress, and the President will sign
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it before you can blink your eyes.
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The Omnibus Counterterrorism Bill.
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It and other similar bills, which will implement a heavier, tighter police state.
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So you see almost identical thinking patterns to Alex, like the shootings in the McDonald's
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are in order to facilitate those gun bills being passed, which must mean that they're
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orchestrated somehow by the globalist New World Order or whatever.
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In the same way, this Omnibus Terrorism Bill is sitting there, they do this, they bomb
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Oklahoma City in order to get this through.
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Bill, who has said that he has never been wrong about predictions of future things,
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says that there's nothing that can be done to stop this bill.
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You better not let it pass, but I'm telling you right now, after that bombing yesterday,
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there's nothing you can do to stop it.
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It will pass.
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I don't care if the whole country got up and screamed to stop it.
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It will pass.
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I'm telling you now.
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It will pass.
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I got something.
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You can't stop it, but I'm telling you, you won't be able to.
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The Omnibus Bill that Bill is talking about here is actually two bills, S390 and S761,
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and neither of them passed.
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A watered-down compromise bill, the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996, was
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passed the next year, but it's pretty hard to make the case that this Omnibus Bill was
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fast-tracked and immediately passed thanks to the fervor surrounding the Oklahoma City
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bombing.
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This is how conspiracy thinking works.
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There was a big bombing, and there was also an antiterrorism bill being considered in
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Congress and thus the two must be connected.
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The bombing was done in order to guarantee the passage of the bill, which will give the
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globalists more control and ability to crush the militia patriots.
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But then, the bill doesn't pass.
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And that's the part that seems to never really be considered when crafting these theories.
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Hey, you don't need to worry about it.
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The globalists have the power and ability to orchestrate an insanely elaborate bombing
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of a federal building and pull off a cover-up that would necessitate hundreds, if not thousands
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of people lying, many of them under oath.
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But they can't rig the vote or pressure a few Congresspeople into getting this bill
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passed?
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Well, that's really hard.
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Comparatively, I'm not sure it is.
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The thing I hate about the right-wing terrorists in this country, like, terrorists in other
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countries claim shit that they didn't do, but all the right-wing terrorists in America
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are a bunch of fucking craven cowards, not even willing to accept responsibility for
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the terrorism that they love.
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Well, it's even spelled out by Bill, and Alex says the same things too, it's like whoever
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shoots the first shot ends up losing in the information board or whatever, and so of course
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they could never take responsibility for something.
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No, they just love committing terrorist acts.
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And it also leads to the insistence that must be given that no one in our community could
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possibly have done this, because they're afraid of the appearance of the first shot, instead
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of being like, yes, there are elements within the community of acceptable beliefs that I
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might hold, like I like the Constitution, there are elements of people who are attracted
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to the same thing who might do things that are really unacceptable, and we should take
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an audit of that, and we should try and find ways to do this better.
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They could do that, or they could raise a collective shriek so loud that no one can
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even be allowed to talk about whether or not right-wing terrorism is real.
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Yeah.
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So these enemies they have are capable of pulling off a gigantic bombing, and also can't
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pass a bill.
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Well, they can't do anything right.
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The insistence on creating an enemy to be against who is simultaneously all-powerful
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and incompetent, depending on what your narrative requires, creates inherently incoherent storylines.
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But it doesn't matter.
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By the time these two omnibus bills that Bill is using as proof that the New World Order
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did the Oklahoma City bombing die in committee, they aren't essential to the narrative anymore.
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By that point, there will be tons of other stories, tons of other plates that are spinning
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so you don't notice when one drops, and it's one of the essential pieces of why we're creating
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this suspicion.
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Yeah.
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It's bad.
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It's bad work.
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Hey, Bill, when the bills didn't pass, what happened?
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Uh, new problem.
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Goodbye.
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Right.
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So we start to realize, first of all, Bill's got all these, I don't know, listeners who
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are writing stuff for him.
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Citizen suits.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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That's a bad source.
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But it turns out he has other bad sources.
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And in that counterterrorism bill, it gives the President of the United States old Willie
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Clinton.
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You got him.
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Nice.
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You got him, dead bodies are lying.
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What's the count now, way up in the 30s, I think?
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Linda Thompson can tell you, she's keeping an exact count.
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So Linda Thompson's the Clinton body count person.
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Hey, Linda Thompson, good to hear from you again.
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Yeah, Bill's a fan.
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Been a while since I've heard about how many people the Clintons have just murdered.
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Yeah, and it's strongly attached to Bill at this point as opposed to later when it'll
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be Hillary again.
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Well, we don't need to worry about the details.
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So there are tons of military that are coming in to help, like whether active duty or reservists
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come again.
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A lot of them may be doctors, may be logistics people who can be of...
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Only soldiers.
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The military only employs soldiers.
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Bill sees this as proof of something, namely that this is a drill.
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Why have tens of thousands of military personnel, police officers, prison guards, reservists,
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civil guard, and Air Force personnel taken over the entire city of Oklahoma City?
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Because there is a bomb?
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Could this be some kind of drill?
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No.
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I don't know the answer to that.
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I do.
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I know that what is happening is way beyond what is called for.
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Bill can't do shit like this.
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He can't lead his audience to a conclusion, then deliver the conclusion as speculation,
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and then just pretend, I'm just saying.
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I get this kind of thing, and honestly it's totally fine under normal circumstances.
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If he wants to use this thin, speculative insinuation to prove that some guy he doesn't
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like is evil, that's part of the conspiracy game.
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You gotta respect the hustle.
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But on April 20th, the day after a national tragedy, it's really malicious to do this
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sort of thing about the very thing that the nation is still in a state of shock about.
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People are grieving, search and rescue operations are still going on as Bill speaks, and for
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some reason he thinks it's appropriate to bat around ideas that this whole thing is
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a drill, while safely hiding behind a cowardly mask of feigned inquisitiveness.
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Like fuck this dude.
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We've kind of gone light on him in the past, but the kid gloves are really off for me.
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This isn't just some weird idiot who believes fake documents, loves the Beach Boys, and
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gets mad when he can't buy USA Today.
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He's a real shithead, and a very similarly tragedy-exploiting monster like Alex.
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And I think it's really pretty clear when you start to look at these flashpoints.
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Alex is such a piece of shit that we can give Bill Cooper a glowing review and comparison.
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And then you come back to Bill Cooper and you're like, okay, well they're both huge
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pieces of shit.
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When we isolate our focus down to kind of things that are goofy, you can make a case
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for like, ah, Bill's fun, he's better at broadcasting, he throws music in, there are elements that
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you can take away, but he's, we should make it clear, he's a big pile of shit.
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So we get to some more conspiracies here.
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It was also mentioned that the FBI had collected film or tape from several surveillance cameras
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mounted in parking lots of other surrounding buildings.
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Sounds like what I would do.
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Specifically mentioned.
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These will be checked to see if they can spot the bomb vehicle and possibly any suspects.
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The question is, if they do, will the FBI tell the public, will the public be able to
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examine these tapes and films?
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We'll see.
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So that's the same guided speculation shit that Bill's been doing constantly.
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Why is he speculating about whether or not the public will see those surveillance tapes?
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The only reason to do that is to implant in your audience the suggestion that the public
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will in fact not ever see those tapes.
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In 2009, the FBI released some raw video of the day of the bombing and other surveillance
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tapes have come out.
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The key video that everyone would want, however, has been said to not actually exist.
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In court, Richard Williams, the then assistant building manager, testified that the cameras
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outside the Murrah building, quote, had not been operational for at least two years before
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the bombing.
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That sounds pretty wild, but from my experience, a not insignificant number of security cameras
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you may see in places are props.
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The movie theater where I used to work was one such place, and I've definitely heard
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stories about this from other folks.
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Yeah, totally.
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This is a whole strategy a lot of businesses employ called dummy surveillance systems.
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The goal is to put up expensive looking cameras, which will have the same effect as real cameras
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in terms of deterring a criminal from robbing you.
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If you appear to have a high tech security system, oftentimes it would be criminal just
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decides it's not worth the risk and they choose another target.
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You get the desired result and you save a bunch of money.
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This is actually a really bad plan because good criminals know the difference between
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a fake camera and a real one, they can kind of tell, there are little indications that
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can tell.
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And then second, one of the things that I kept finding in articles was like, if you
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put up fake cameras, you might introduce a liability that you could get sued for because
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you don't actually have footage.
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Because it implies a level of security that might lead someone to take a risk that they
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wouldn't do otherwise.
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Like if it's outside a building, they might feel safer walking by.
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That was one example I heard, I don't, I'm not positive that that one actually makes
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much sense to me, but there are like civil liabilities you could get into.
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So just to be clear, if you're out there, don't put up a fake camera.
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It's not worth it.
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It's a bad idea.
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But there are businesses that do do that.
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It's a, I mean, not everybody does good practice, you know, like right.
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Some people just want to cut corners, save some money.
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Hey, that's great news for America.
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But this isn't to say that that's what the Murrah building was doing, but it is, you
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know, conceivable that these cameras stopped working and they were never replaced because
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it wasn't a high priority until it suddenly became the highest priority.
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I get how this detail would seem incredibly suspicious to conspiracy theorists, but it
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isn't a giant red flag to me.
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It makes sense.
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Yeah, no, cameras being old and not working at a government building makes perfect sense.
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And like a reticence to replace them.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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The nuclear stockpile is still run on computers with punch cards like nobody's changing anything.
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And these are these are the sorts of things that unfortunately never seem like that big
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a deal until we realize it's a huge deal.
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Look, why would you even worry about replacing a computer that controls a nuclear weapon?
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There's no reason to do that.
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If it works now, it's going to work forever.
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Undoubtedly.
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Yeah.
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There were some rumors going around that FBI agents were trying to sell surveillance video
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of the actual bomb going off to TV stations for one million dollars.
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But retired FBI agent Stephen Brannon testified that he investigated those claims and found
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them to be a hoax.
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In addition, there was a Secret Service log from April 24th that contained a mention of
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a video showing multiple people exiting the Ryder truck before the bombing.
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This has caused a widespread belief that the government is covering up the existence of
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this tape.
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But when a lawsuit was filed to force the release of it, it went nowhere.
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Stacy Bauer Schmidt, the then assistant to the special agent in charge of the Secret
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Service Intelligence Division, explained that the log in question was a detailing of unconfirmed
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reports from the days at the beginning of the investigation.
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This is a lot less concrete than it's made out to be.
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You know, there's a log of things that maybe had been discussed or heard.
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But you know, many people who are actually involved in the investigation have testified
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that they have never seen such a tape.
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So it's possible that what's in that log is being misrepresented.
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The rumors are always so transparent whenever they give you a dollar number, where it's
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like they've been trying to sell it for one million dollars.
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It's 1995 money, so one million dollars might as well be 400.
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It's nonsense.
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Back then, if they were doing that, it'd be like, if you were trying to sell it to a magazine
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or something like that, you'd be like, 200K, get out, get in, get out, let me get out of
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here.
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That's all I'm saying.
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A million dollars is a lot.
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It's a lot of money.
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It's a lot to be asking for.
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For an FBI agent, like, no one's going to investigate the FBI agent who's suddenly a
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millionaire?
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Yeah.
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You need enough to get out of the country and have a decent life for a bit or something.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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I agree.
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Whenever it's a round number like that, it's weird.
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So the function of Bill speculating like this is to make his audience predispose to distrust
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whatever happens.
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If no tapes are produced, that's not the result of there being no tapes or investigators keeping
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them as evidence for trial, because that, you know, obviously would be a reason that
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no tapes would be released for a long time from here.
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It's not that, it's proof that there's a cover-up.
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Obviously.
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If some tapes are produced, they're most certainly part of the cover-up.
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There's basically no win here unless the, you know, like once the parameters are set
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up like this, it's just, you're priming the audience to unhealthy distrust.
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So in this next clip, Bill has decided that the reports that are going around that it's
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a fertilizer bomb are not true.
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I can tell you from looking at the damage of that building and the great crater in front
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of the building, that that was not made with a fertilizer soaked in diesel fuel bomb.
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In fact, it's impossible.
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Whatever did that damage was a fast-burning high explosive of the type used only in military
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weapons.
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And I have extensive experience with that kind of explosive from my time in Vietnam.
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Any explosive expert can tell you this, ladies and gentlemen, and they'll tell you that I
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have just told you right on the truth.
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This is meaningless.
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Bill is just saying that he's looked at pictures and determined that this could be, it couldn't
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be a bomb made of fertilizer and fuel oil, which literally means nothing.
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This is the exact same thing as Alex Jones looking at pictures from the Boston bombing
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and determining that some people he sees on them must be secret CIA agents because he
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knows a lot about secret CIA agent posture.
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At this point, Bill has no information to go on to either support or reject the then
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theory that the bomb was a fertilizer bomb.
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He has no idea if the actual bomb had supplementary explosives added to them to make the blast
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larger.
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There's a lot of possibilities.
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This is legitimately just a knee-jerk reaction of denialism with no proof behind it.
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He can't prove that this wasn't a fertilizer bomb and yet he is, here he is, making a definitive
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statement about it to his audience.
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If someone else did this about a conclusion Bill didn't like, he'd probably rant about
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how everyone believes unproven things and it's the death of common sense or some shit.
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He allows himself to play the games that he critiques or makes his primary brand, basically.
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And that's so fucking stupid.
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Even like, you can't tell what type of bomb went off just by looking at a few pictures
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if you're Bill Cooper.
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Like the fire investigators, they've done so many investigations of their investigations
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and they're like, those guys have no fucking clue what they're talking about.
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It's practically made up nonsense.
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Like there's no way that you know what bomb it was.
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Fuck off.
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Wow.
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So here's more sloppiness.
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Our station chief penned a little note to me, she says, I get it, but I don't.
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What stupid way is for all of those guys to get arrested?
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Nobody is really that stupid.
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Maybe they wanted to be arrested, or maybe they were somehow set up with the FBI running
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the show.
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We'll probably hear the real story.
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Then she sent me another fax and said she was real sleepy when she wrote that, but she
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meant it.
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We'll probably never hear the real story.
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And she says, this one doesn't pass, muster.
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Even the local newscasters are reporting this latest episode with slightly raised eyebrows.
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There's not something right here.
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I'm going to take a short nap, Bill.
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My engine has temporarily run out of steam.
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God bless all.
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High quality reportage.
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That's a good missive from the front lines.
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No speculation in there.
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So yeah, I think I forgot to cut out this clip, but there's a point where Bill says
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that he knows what the bomb was and it's fulminate of mercury.
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And he knows that because fulminate of mercury was taken out of the building because there
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were unexploded fulminate of mercury.
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So there's no evidence of that.
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Later, it would be alleged on a website called Relevance that the Oklahoma City Police Lieutenant
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Bill Martin had told them that additional explosives composed of fulminate of mercury
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were found on the scene.
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In a grand jury testimony, Martin said, quote, what they attributed to me is a complete falsehood.
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I'd never heard of mercury fulminate before that article came out.
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And then just generally, this is a little bit hard to swallow as a theory.
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It seems hard to believe that these explosives, fulminate of mercury, would have survived
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a giant explosion.
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So I would need some pretty compelling proof of that claim, and an absence of proof and
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just the presence of speculation cannot get on board with that.
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Bill can though.
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Yeah.
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Bill does.
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He reports it on his show.
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Plus, they are irrelevant, but apparently to Bill, they have a great deal of relevance.
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Strong relevancy.
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Yeah.
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So Bill's got another report from a CADGEE member.
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Sure.
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About what it's like on the ground.
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A sleepy one, or?
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No, no.
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This one's awake.
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This one's sneezy.
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This one's awake.
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This is a sneezy CADGEE member.
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This guy's grumpy.
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Okay.
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And here's a report from David in Oklahoma City.
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Today, this is him talking, today I have the unfortunate task of visiting the most physically
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and spiritually intense place I have ever been in my entire life.
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Disneyland?
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This is downtown Oklahoma City, which is now literally under martial law.
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If that was a letter from a friend, fine.
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If you're treating it as like reporting, what are you doing?
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Jesus.
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It's ridiculous.
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So this guy, this guy, I love this guy's writing style, I gotta say.
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He's got Civil War feelings to him.
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Yes, yes.
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Dearest Bill, it is with great sadness that I come to speak to you today.
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So, I don't know if the literal definition of martial law was achieved, but this demonstration
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of it being martial law really makes me laugh.
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After he found a parking place, which was a genuine miracle, he was putting money in
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the parking meter and a civilian in a business suit walked past and said, quote, you don't
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have to put any money in there, it's martial law in Oklahoma City.
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What are the primary characteristics of martial law?
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Free parking.
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Well, when he said he was going to put money in the parking meter, I was like, there's
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no way it can just be about the parking meter.
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There's no way.
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Free parking and martial law.
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Free parking is martial law, fine.
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That's how they get you.
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Whatever.
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That's how they get you to accept the martial law.
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You know what?
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I accept it.
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I'm fine with it.
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We're getting charged too much for parking in Chicago.
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It's just really interesting once you start to listen to this stuff and you're like, these
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are what he's bringing to the table.
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There are things that his weirdo callers, or they would be callers, I guess, his listeners
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are just faxing him these weird letters from the front line.
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It's a mess.
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But because he is Bill Cooper and he is a conspiracy minded militia dude, it's all leading
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towards this conclusion.
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This is a full drill takeover of an American city after a staged incident.
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That's right.
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If you were listening last night, you know why I say that.
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I predicted it for a long time, and I'm going to tell you it's going to escalate, and it's
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all about more control of your lives by the government and eventually the United Nations,
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non-world totalitarian socialist state.
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So he feels pretty confident probably because they have Prince Edward Island bombing.
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It seems to make him look like a prophet of some sort, but anyway, he starts yelling about
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Janet Reno.
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Naturally.
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It's going to get worse fast.
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The United States Attorney General is a murderous.
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She murdered men, women, and little children in Waco, Texas, and now today on television
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there's a team effort to offer a $2 million reward for the instigators of the bombing
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of the federal building in Oklahoma City, and she said she was worried about our women
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and children.
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Call now and get your hands on some real money.
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You're going to need it.
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It might save your life one of these days, 1-800-289-2646, 1-800-289-2646.
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Have you counted the bodies surrounding Clinton yet?
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Jesus!
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It's well over 30.
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One of these nights I'll have Linda Thompson on and we'll give you a count name by name
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and circumstance by circumstance.
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You don't want to know Clinton very well.
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You might end up dead.
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You can almost imagine Alex listening to that and like ingraining some of these patterns.
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The way that Bill is implanting his plug into like really intense, emotionally driven content
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is the same thing that Alex does, and I don't know if it's like, hey, every radio host does
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this.
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It certainly feels...
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I haven't listened to radio in a long time, so it's entirely possible that we could be
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the ones who are acting crazy here.
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I don't think so.
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I don't know.
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I don't...
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I mean, I listen to a lot of like, let's say, Loveline growing up.
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I certainly don't remember them breaking out into really overly dramatic ads, but I don't
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know.
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Anyway, Bill gets back to some of his intel.
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It's coming in from Kaji.
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This is just like, why are you doing this?
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What is the point?
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I met a nice lady from Norway who was with the press.
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She got nowhere trying to get inside the perimeter.
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She was accompanied by a sound man and cameraman who seemed surprised that I knew what a sure
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mic mixer was.
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She met a man from Los Angeles who was with the press and was very angry that he was going
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to have to walk all the way to the Civic Center to find out anything.
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You got them.
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Well, if you ever lived in Los Angeles, you'd understand that.
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No one in Los Angeles walks, except the poor.
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The very poor.
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Los Angeles is an automobile-oriented city.
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Why are we doing this?
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I don't know.
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This is a waste of time, Bill.
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I don't know.
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That's wild.
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Yes, I met a nice Norwegian lady who was a reporter and they were impressed with my knowledge
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of sound.
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Is that what it was or was he trying to insinuate that they weren't actually press?
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No, I think he was trying to brag about knowing about sound.
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Was that what he was doing?
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Yeah.
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It used to be something suspicious where it's like, they never would have guessed that I
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would be on to them.
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No.
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I thought it sounded like someone's mom writing them a letter from vacation.
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I was at the Grand Canyon and I met a very wonderful couple.
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They were surprised by how much I knew about pie baking.
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This is a postcard.
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Yeah, exactly.
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You're totally right.
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Such a waste of time.
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That is so right.
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He had all day.
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So I'm going to skip this clip because it's Bill just being a stickler again about the
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death tolls.
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That really seems to be one of the things that he's trying to use as a fulcrum.
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Yeah, take something minor that I have control over and use it as a stick to bludgeon people
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that I don't like with.
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It's not minor, but the complaint he has about estimates is minor.
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Relatively petty.
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Yeah, it's petty.
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Yeah.
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So we're going to skip to where he starts taking phone calls.
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And he gets a call from a guy who wants to know what agencies were in the building.
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One thing I just wanted to put out there is that when we get a list of the number of judges
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and FBI agents, secret service agents, and other offices that were in that building,
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perhaps how many have died, and we'll get a better handle on exactly who might have
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been the perpetrators in this activity.
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The perpetrators are in Langley, Virginia, my friend.
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This is a guy who's made his name by saying you've got to prove everything, and he's making
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direct accusations of a gigantic conspiracy theory without any proof.
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Yep, yep.
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That's a big claim.
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It's almost like his scolding of his callers is really about protecting the appearance
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of his own credibility.
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Yeah, that sounds right.
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Maybe.
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So he gets another caller who brings up a conspiracy.
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Had you heard that the University of Oklahoma recorded two blasts on their seismic, their
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seismometer?
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No, I had not heard that.
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Something that could be checked out.
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I have no idea if it's true.
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Well, we'll certainly find out.
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This is the first that I've heard of it, and it was not announced on any of the local stations
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in Oklahoma City.
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Where did you hear this?
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I can believe that.
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I truly can't tell you now.
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Somewhere on the Patriot Network site, I just picked it up, but it would be simple enough
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to find out.
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Oh, very easy to find out.
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We have people right in Norman, Oklahoma, where the University of Oklahoma is at, and
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we will send somebody right over there.
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In fact, probably somebody listening is on their way.
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Right now.
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To the coupe mobile.
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Thanks a lot for the sanity.
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I've been away from my short wave, and I've been having to watch this stuff and try to
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get somewhere between the lines, and your take on it sounds a hell of a lot more reasonable
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to me than anything I've heard in the last few days.
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Oh, it's right on the money.
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Thanks for the sanity, guy who thinks the Medallion Hotel might not exist.
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Woof.
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Yeah.
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So, that is actually true.
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That seismograph.
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And we'll get to that later.
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And it's nice that Bill is hearing that and not being like, yeah, yeah, that is true.
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Alex has that compulsion to know everything.
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And I do at least appreciate that Bill's response to this guy is like, I don't know.
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I haven't heard that.
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We'll look into it.
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I do, yeah.
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It is a breath of fresh air whenever a host says, I don't know.
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There's a mild restraint there that I can applaud a little bit, but it goes completely
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out the window because of everything else he does.
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We have a report from people on the scene from a United States Navy super top secret
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installation that the day before, which was Tuesday, they held a bomb drill in one of
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their major installation buildings and the drill involved an explosive in a car in the
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front of the building exactly the day before.
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That doesn't mean anything.
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This is probably erroneous gossip or something, but it doesn't mean anything.
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You can show the document.
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There was a full moon.
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Show the proof of the drill.
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You're not even saying where this was.
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Where was this?
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Alaska?
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Some secret military installation?
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It doesn't matter where it is.
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The New World Order is everywhere, Dan.
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That's bullshit.
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Yeah.
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That is some irresponsible, lame nonsense.
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It's totally true.
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So a large part of the focus of the stuff that I sort of experience when I'm listening
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to these shows is imagining what it would be like if you were someone who listens to
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it and believes it, which is why the things about like Bill's reporting on rumors for
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no reason, like obviously that is something that will have an effect on his listeners,
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whether or not it's his intended effect or not, or his stated intent.
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And the reason is because you do hear things like this sometimes, and it's really important
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to recognize that content like this does have an effect on people.
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Like if you're not careful with stuff like this, it will change some of your perceptions,
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and maybe not in ways that are very positive.
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Well, I tell you what, I'm really watching close, and I'm really seeing the things I
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wouldn't have seen probably a couple years ago before I started listening to your show
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and looking at the world in a different way.
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This caller is very clearly expressing that he perceives it and experiences it as a positive,
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but it's not.
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Bill has changed the way he looks at the world, just to say that he's created a context, he's
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created an overarching narrative that allows you to contextualize situations, draw connections
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between things that you wouldn't have otherwise because there isn't a connection.
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Like, when you have a guy like Bill who's preaching essentially this, I guarantee there
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will be more bombs after this bombing because it was a false flag, and then the Prince Edward
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Island bombing happens and he's like, aha, I was right.
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When you are setting that kind of an example for your audience, you're going to end up
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having the effect that is not positive because it allows your listener to then do that.
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And that's bad.
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That just is not good.
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Yeah, there's nothing inherently wrong with it.
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Like, a powerful piece of media should change the way that you view things, but if you use
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that power irresponsibly and like an asshole, then it's not going to put better viewpoints
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in people's eyes.
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It's going to be just like that guy who's like, I've been away from my shortwave for
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a few days and I've had to consume and read between the lines.
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Thanks for the sanity, Bill.
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Yeah, I read between the lines.
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No, just read.
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Just read.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it's tough.
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It's tough.
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Maybe we should get people to read the lines first and then you can try reading between
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the lines.
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These guys are just reading between the lines before ever bothering with the lines.
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You can't do a kickflip until you can ollie.
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I think that's a good call.
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So this last clip here from the April 20th show, I mean, Bill's just making stuff up.
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There is more movement of military equipment, material, and vehicles in this country today
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than there ever was in World War II or Vietnam.
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You'd better start asking yourself why and what's it leading to.
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I know the answer to that and so do some of you.
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He's just making that up.
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There's absolutely no way for him to know that.
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He can't pack that up at all and I guarantee that's not true.
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During World War II and Vietnam, more movement of military stuff in the Oklahoma City bombing
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than during the Vietnam War.
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I find that very hard to believe.
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The only way that he could know that is if he was privy to a series of orders and shit
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like that because no matter what, like, singular anecdotal evidence you can find, that's still
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not going to be enough to measure the entirety of...
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I'm guessing if you're a student of history and military history, you could probably determine
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some sort of quantification for troop movement, military movement during Vietnam and World
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War II.
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Now, I don't believe that on April 20th, Bill would have any reliable way to quantify the
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movement that was happening regarding Oklahoma City and for someone like him who tries to
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present himself as just the fact, ma'am, that kind of guy, you can't do stuff like that.
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You can't just make up shit.
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That's bullshit.
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Totally.
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I don't like that.
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I don't like it when Bill's mean to me like that.
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So April 21st comes around and at this point it's become clear that Timothy McVeigh is
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the suspect.
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Do you mean is the false flag Patsy?
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According to Bill.
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Okay.
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Yes.
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So the discussion of Timothy McVeigh and the connections to militias and that kind of thing
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has come up and it's clear.
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And I'm going to be honest with you, the 21st is not nearly as interesting of an episode.
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It's kind of uninspired in many ways.
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And the only reason I included it in this is because there is a continuation of something
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from the 20th and because these are part of a three-part series that Bill did about Oklahoma
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City.
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They're packaged together on the hour of the times sort of episode titling scheme.
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And so I didn't want to, I'm a completist, but this is not a good episode.
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You've got all of Radiohead's discography, I know you.
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In terms of things that are interesting, there was much more in the 19th and 20th.
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But Bill starts out on an alarming tone.
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First I have an order from the commanding general of the Second Continental Army of
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the Republic.
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I don't like that.
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All militias are to remain on full alert.
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I think that's kind of your deal.
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The commanders are to maintain discipline of their units.
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Every unit is to protect their leadership, and under no circumstances are you to allow
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the militia to be broken as a result of the propaganda campaign being raged against the
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legitimate legal militia of the several states and of the United States of America.
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That doesn't sound like him reading something.
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That sounds like him coming up with this on the fly.
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So when he's saying that this is a dispatch from the commanding general of the Second
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Continental Army of the Republic, I think that's him.
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I'm pretty sure it is him.
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I don't know.
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What else would it be?
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I think it's him.
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What is this, the Witchfinder General on top of everything?
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What is happening?
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It seems to me that that might be Bill's title for himself, but I don't know enough.
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I tried to look into this.
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I can't make heads or tails of it.
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It's something that I'm going to... We'll consider this an open question.
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I don't know who the commanding general is, but I have a strong suspicion his middle name
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is Milton.
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Ah, could be.
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Here's my pitch to you, Janet Reno.
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Oh, shit.
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Yeah, that's right.
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She's working both sides.
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Mind blown.
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Everybody knew it.
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So Bill's pretty mad that the militia element of this story has come up, and it leads him
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to be in pretty strong denial.
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Bad mood.
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Well, no.
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I mean, yeah, obviously.
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He's in a bad mood a lot, but he's in a bit of a denial, and this is where I get some
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of that.
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It's unclear if it's sincere or performance-based naivete, because he says some things that
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he... There's no way you could believe this is true.
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The only way the national rumor mongers are going to be able to promote the militia involvement
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rumor is by simultaneously tying it to a racist group, and you heard that all day long.
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White supremacists, religious fundamentalists, constitutionists, patriot groups, government
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haters.
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The truth is, even in the backwoods-hit country of Oklahoma, investigators are not likely
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to find too many groups which are both racist and patriotic.
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In my investigations in this entire nation, there are probably 500 total white supremacists,
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period.
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Keep looking, Bill.
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Keep looking.
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Oh, man.
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Does that mean he knows 500 people?
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He's investigated 501, and one of them's himself, and he deems himself to not be a racist.
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Yeah, I guess.
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Yeah, man.
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I don't know.
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It's that kind of thing that's like, again, it's that no true Scotsman kind of thing.
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You can't have a group that's racist and patriotic, because if you do, then you're racist and
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not patriotic, so by definition, you're not patriotic in Bill's eyes.
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I think that that's how he's operating, and it's not really fair.
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The idea that you would say out loud, I think there are only maybe 500 white supremacists
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in the entire country.
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There are 500 within a stone's throw of our place, and we live in Chicago.
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I don't think, I mean, how far can you throw a stone?
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Pretty far.
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I was a pretty good baseball player.
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Okay, then maybe.
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I can't.
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So I would say for me, no.
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You, maybe.
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Yeah, I think that's really the absurdly denialist.
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Yeah, that's bad.
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Yeah.
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So Bill makes a prediction about the nature of the person that will be arrested for this
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crime.
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You can be certain that whoever is arrested will be first proclaimed a racist, and later
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a militia connection will be fabricated.
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Or what if they're a racist and they have militia connections?
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I don't think that's possible, obviously.
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But in the world where that is the case, now Bill has said to his audience that the scripting
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of it will be that they're a racist, and then they'll make up some militia connections.
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So on the off chance that someone does get arrested who fits that mold, you know that
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it's just the fucking New World Order scripting this in order to make the Patriots look bad.
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It's very identical to Alex's sort of methods and narratives surrounding people who do really
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terrible things, who happen to be a part of the self-selected group.
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For Bill, it's very much heavily militia.
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For Alex, it's white and Western, that sort of thing.
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But it's the same sort of defensiveness behavior.
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It is annoying to me that they preach this rhetoric that comes down to the government
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is always attacking you.
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So self-defense measures would be basically whatever it is you want to do, and then at
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the same time being like, but we would never take offensive action, even though you've
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already said that any action is functionally self-defense.
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So you should just take credit and be like, this guy, we're under attack from the government,
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but then you don't want to be like that.
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I think there's a recognition that most people wouldn't agree with that argument, and you'd
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have a really tough time making it.
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But at the same time, the narrative and that sort of mentality has the effect that's desired,
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and that is that some people follow through with it, and then end up becoming proof that
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the man is trying to make the Patriots look bad.
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Then it becomes this self-perpetuating image game, which is lame.
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So on the day before, on the 20th, the caller called in who said that the seismograph registered
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two little things.
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And so apparently one of the Kaji, one of the intelligence sources, went to the university
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over in Norman and has looked into this.
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Here's the report from Dave, the report of two seismological events consistent with large
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explosions on the morning of April 19, 1995, is confirmed.
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At 1.20 p.m. today, 4.21.95, I spoke with Dr. Luzza of the Oklahoma Geological Survey,
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which is located in the Starkey Energy Building at the University of Oklahoma campus.
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Dr. Luzza showed me the seismograph recordings made on that morning, showing two separate
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seismological disturbances, the first occurring at 9.02.04 a.m., and the second occurring
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at 9.02.14 a.m.
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So this is interesting, because like I mentioned earlier, what he's talking about is a real
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thing.
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But Bill's jumping to wild conclusions with it, and he doesn't end up earning this narrative
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at all.
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The way he's presenting things, there were two events registered on the seismograph,
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and as such, this is proof that there were two explosions at the Murrah Building.
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This is a simple conclusion to reach if you have a habit of not considering other possibilities,
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which it seems like Bill might not do a lot.
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The fact that there were two waves registered on the seismograph was of interest to researchers,
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so they studied the phenomenon further.
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What they ended up figuring out is that this was the result of low and high frequency signals
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traveling at slightly different rates.
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The low frequency signal made it the 16 miles from the bomb site to the seismograph in Norman
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a few seconds prior to the high frequency signal.
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It's fascinating.
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When the Murrah Building was demolished on May 23rd, researchers set up additional seismographs
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and found a similar pattern with the two wave signals, despite there being only one controlled
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explosion.
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Further study has demonstrated clearly that this wave signal pattern is not proof of two
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explosions, but Bill doesn't know that when he's on air jumping to conclusions about this.
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He's breaking one of his own cardinal rules, because it's important to him that this not
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be the work of someone who believes the same things as him.
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So he takes this, and he doesn't know what it means, there's no explanation that he can
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really provide two things, two bombs.
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You know it.
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And I understand.
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I understand why you would look at that and say that.
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For sure.
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But you just don't know it.
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No.
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So it's come out that Terry Nichols was involved in some capacity, and apparently...
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If we are found, you know what's going to be left on our shirts.
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Not that.
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Call Terry Nichols.
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No, don't do that.
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He is apparently, at this point, there had also been some discussion that he has some
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connection with the militia of Michigan.
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Now, Bill has an easy answer for this.
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I've told you all along that the militia of Montana and others are agent provocateurs.
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They would fuel the flames and provide the ammunition that would be used against the
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legitimate militias across this nation.
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And I was absolutely correct.
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They are reading militia of Montana material and all the other BS that some militias deal
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with such as racism.
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So again, there's that naivete that seems to be popping up there.
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And I understand.
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I mean, there are, I'm certain, there are some people who are into malicious stuff and
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some people who are into some patriot stuff who don't have that racism that's attached.
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You know?
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I'm sure it's not universal, and maybe there's an idealistic version of it that Bill feels
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he subscribes to and he can't imagine that anybody else does.
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But I find this ludicrous.
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Yeah.
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I would be shocked.
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I would be shocked if Bill wasn't even aware.
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Bill has to know if he's ever been to a militia meeting.
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He has to know at least one guy there who's got a Nazi flag.
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It doesn't matter.
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They're history buffs.
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Yeah.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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Fucking sure.
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It also raises the issue that maybe he didn't ever want to a militia meeting.
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Oh, isn't that possible?
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I don't think that's possible.
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Maybe he's just the worst cosplayer ever.
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I don't think that's possible.
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Also, I'm pretty mad at the militia of Michigan because it should be the militia again and
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they really wasted an opportunity.
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Yeah, that is unfortunate.
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Nazis don't have fun, Dan.
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Nope.
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Bill has suggested that the motive for the bombing was to get this omnibus terror bill
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through.
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Sure.
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Sure.
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But there's a reason that Oklahoma was chosen.
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On May 17, 1994, the state of Oklahoma, ladies and gentlemen, in their legislature passed
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H.R. 1047.
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H.R. 1047 made Oklahoma the very first state in the United States to actually go on record
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as opposing the approaching New World Order.
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It called for the United States not to lend military personnel to support the United Nations
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and many other things.
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Okay.
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Why it happened in Oklahoma City.
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Oh boy.
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So, there are a few problems with this narrative that Bill's presenting here with this bill
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that was supposed to have been passed by the Oklahoma legislature, which would effectively
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give militia a patriot explanation for why the New World Order decided to attack Oklahoma
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of all places.
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The first thing that's important to understand is that H.R. 1047 that he's talking about
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is not a bill.
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It's a House resolution.
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Resolutions that are passed are not legally binding at all and they're really just things
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that people introduce to express a sentiment.
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It's like the recent thing we talked about where the San Antonio City Council passed
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a resolution denouncing the use of the term China virus.
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Exactly.
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The resolution was introduced on March 8th, 1994, not May 17th, and it was put forth by
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a state rep named John Monks.
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It's a completely absurd proclamation about how the U.S. needs to, quote, cease any support
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for the establishment of a New World Order or any form of global government.
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Can do.
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It's definitely paranoid and just a very weird resolution.
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But honestly, if I were Bill, H.R. 1056 works better.
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That was a, quote, resolution claiming sovereignty under the 10th Amendment to the Constitution
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of the United States over certain powers, serving notice to the federal government to
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cease and desist certain mandates and directing distribution.
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That one's closer to Bill's introduction dates and that was introed May 12th, 1994, and it
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kind of works better for his narratives.
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I kind of suspect that Bill is just combining or confusing these two resolutions.
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Or maybe he doesn't know what he's talking about.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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Those resolutions are always-
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Anyway, there's no reason to blow up a federal building because of those non-binding, non-legally
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actionable sentiments of, we don't like the New World Order.
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Those are always written in such a lunatic idea that-
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I thought you were going to say they're written in cram.
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They might as well be, but at the end of them, you halfway expect it to be like, and we don't
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want funding for the U.N. and I hate my wife, Angela.
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I hate you, Angela.
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And we need to get rid of the New World Order and the U.N. is evil and God, Angela, take
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me back.
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Like it's that kind of lunacy.
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There is something very weird.
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You do suspect that there's something else behind it.
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Maybe it's not marital strife, but there's something driving-
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Anyway, in this next clip, Bill gets to bragging about how right he is about everything.
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Fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake, fake.
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I'm right.
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I've studied these socialist pukes for years and I'm right on the target.
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I'm the only one who has consistently and with absolute accuracy predicted every step
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that they're going to take.
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Listen to this, anti-terrorism bill now on fast track.
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On Tuesday, the Omnibus Counterterrorism Act of 1995 was a proposal on a low track in Congress
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and the object of a lively debate as to whether it would violate some fundamental civil liberties,
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including the right to confront one's accuser.
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Now after the Oklahoma City bombing, there are few sure legislative bets in Washington.
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Democrats and Republicans issue a blizzard of news releases Thursday calling for the
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bill's quick passage.
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The gutless wonders are at it again.
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So in his discussion about how right he is about everything, he's talking about how certain
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a bill's passage is that doesn't end up getting passed.
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Well, don't worry about that.
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He's right about everything.
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I will not worry about that.
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I don't like these guys who say that they can predict every move with perfect accuracy.
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It's very Alex-like.
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Yeah.
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Very Alex-like.
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But that's just, that suggests that you're like, that's boring.
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Like nobody wants to play chess with somebody who knows everything that you're going to
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do.
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That sucks.
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Why would you play against them?
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It also introduces like a really interesting layer and that is maybe they're right.
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If they're right that they're correct about everything and know all this stuff that's
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going to happen, the only explanation for them being wrong about it is just because
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they're lying.
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Yeah.
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Ooh.
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Maybe they're lying to their audience.
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That's interesting.
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I do actually know everything that's going to happen, but when I'm wrong, I was lying.
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I was lying to you.
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I was lying to you for a reason.
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On purpose.
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Trust me.
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On purpose.
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Good reason.
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Look, I know why Trump is doing it and maybe I agree with him, but I do think it's wrong
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to suspend habeas corpus.
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That's all I'm saying.
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So around the time of the bombing, and this is the case with just about every high profile
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thing, there'll end up being copycat threats that are made.
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Sure.
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This is a phenomenon that is unfortunate in humans, but whenever there is something like
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this, there'll be people who make prank calls, there'll be people who are trying to sow more
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chaos, and Bill thinks that that's the new world order doing that.
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Phoned in bomb threats, forced temporary evacuations of federal office buildings in several cities
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including Boston, Miami, Santa Ana, California, Birmingham, Alabama, Wilmington, Delaware,
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Portland, Oregon, Boise, Idaho, and Carswell Air Force Base in Fort Worth, Texas.
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A bomb scare also forced the evacuation of Boston's City Hall.
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What did they do?
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Let all the inmates out of the nut house?
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Not on your life.
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This is all planned to terrorize the American people to give up the Bill of Rights.
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You can't prove any of that.
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You're the guy who's Mr. Proof.
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You can't prove that.
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You're just saying that you think that all of these bomb threats were done by the globalists.
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That's nonsense.
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Did you think that maybe they did let all of the people out of the asylum?
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Or do you think that it's possible that that's not necessary for one to make a threat like
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this?
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Yeah.
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Maybe it's fucking teenagers who don't know any better?
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Yep.
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1995 is prime prank call territory.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That was before the internet was as good as it is now for harassing people.
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Like real shit, the phone was still something that was part of the arsenal.
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So I don't know.
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Anyway, we have one last clip here and it's very similar to Alex, but his call to action
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is a little bit different.
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But I think you'll see some fairly large similarities.
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Are you going to continue to say, oh, nothing's going on, the government wouldn't hurt us?
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Are you going to continue until you're rounded up and sent to some socialist labor camp because
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you don't fit in with their concept of how your mind is supposed to work in the New World
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Order?
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Is that what it's going to take before you wake up?
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Look around you, this is not the United States of America, not at all.
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And that is not a constitutional Republican government in Washington, DC, nor in most
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states of the several states.
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How many states?
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There's not much time left.
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Continue to recruit for your militias.
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Continue to prepare, continue to arm yourselves, continue to teach your children and your neighbors
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the truth about the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the principles and ideals upon
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which this country was based.
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So I mean, you know, the illegitimate government kind of thing sounds a lot like the beliefs
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of people who might attack the government.
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Well, I mean, sure, it is an illegitimate government, but no patriot would attack an
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illegitimate government.
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You satisfied all of my curiosities, thank you very much.
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See, I mean, like the socialists are going to take you off to a camp is just the FEMA
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camp stuff.
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It's all very similar.
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But again, that it only makes sense if you're saying to me that the socialists are going
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to take me to a camp.
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That is going to happen.
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I don't understand how I wouldn't get the idea that, well, either I can be in a camp
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or I can fight back or there's no other way to view it.
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Even further, if this isn't a legitimate government that we have in place, why not overthrow it?
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Exactly.
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Isn't it your duty to, according to your belief system, like Alex and him are both the same
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way.
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They want this half measure.
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They want you to believe this to get in until I guess the power struck, like the power shifts
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or something like that.
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I don't know what the point is, like from Alex, it's clearly making a ton of money.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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For Bill, it doesn't seem like that's his primary thing, but like the gold sales stuff
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you see in this episode is very much like exploitative.
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It's manipulative.
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Yeah.
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It's strike while the iron's hot.
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Yeah.
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But he does only do one of those per episode, as opposed to Alex.
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Sure.
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It will go a little nuts.
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Yeah.
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So like, you know, it's not like it's taking over his show.
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Right.
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Right, right, right, right.
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No, I'm a bit confused as to like what exactly the point is, if it's not to create some sort
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of a threat to the government, quite frankly.
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Yeah, it has to be.
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Well, I mean, you can see how successful it is even with a small scale threat.
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You can shut down government if you just have 20 guys wearing fake body armor and fake guns.
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Sure.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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We're fucked.
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So I took a look at this and I think it's really interesting.
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I'm interested to see how this develops.
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But I would say that over these three days, bad job, just did a bad job.
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Not good.
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A lot of rumors.
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Two thumbs down.
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That's my review.
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Big time.
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And like, there could be no worse time for you to fuck up like this than like in the
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immediate aftermath of a gigantic terrorist attack that traumatized the country.
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It's really, really terrible.
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And I think that through this prism, you do see a lot more of Alex in him.
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In terms of these patterns, these trends, these behaviors, I think the picture becomes
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a bit clearer as to why...
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I think that probably some of the other episodes we did about him didn't really necessarily
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make the connection strongly enough as to why he is an important figure within the context
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of our show.
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And I hope that some of those things were better clarified here and better clarified
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that this dude sucks.
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I just hate the cowardice so much.
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I hate how cowardly they are because in one sense, you can have the courage to step up
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and say, this is an illegitimate government and I support this terrorist attack.
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Or another instance of courage is you could step up and say, I don't believe this is part
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of the militia movement.
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We need to find out where this is coming from and root it out.
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We need to do that.
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And instead, the cowardice comes in, I want to be the leader of fake militia, and at the
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same time, I don't want any consequences for the bullshit that I say.
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It's fucking cowardice.
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And I hate it.
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It's very similar to Alex.
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I hate it.
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I'm such a coward.
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Yeah, it's a mess.
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So as I was getting...
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I realized that I said something at the beginning of this episode that I didn't really explain,
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and that is that this almost completely got derailed.
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And it's because I was preparing this episode and I got to last night and I was pretty deep
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into this, to the point where I was like, well, it's going to be tough to make another
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episode for when we need to get to the other to record.
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And there was that gigantic fire in LA.
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Yeah, I know.
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I was so...
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I was almost done getting ready.
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And then I go on Twitter and I see that and I'm like, oh, no, no.
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That was my first thought, too.
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I thought I was a witch.
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I was like, I had somehow willed that into existence by focusing on Bill's response to...
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And I was like, you've got to go to bed.
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You've got too much power, Dan.
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You've got too much power.
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Terrifying.
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And the other thing I want to say, just really quick before we get out of here, is that this
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so far has not been an all-encompassing approach or coverage of the conspiracies about Oklahoma
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City.
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And one of the reasons is that that would be impossible, number one.
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And number two, I'm trying to take the same approach to this that I take with Alex, which
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is as he brings things up, go to them.
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And so as the conspiracy gets denser, there will be more of the elements.
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Because I could see somebody listening to this and being like, what about blank?
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I assure you, as time goes along, we'll experience it as Bill's audience might.
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Yeah.
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I think that's the way to do it.
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Yeah, I think so.
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And we'll be back with an Alex episode next time.
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But until then, Jordan, we have a website.
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We do have a website.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep.
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We're also on Twitter.
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We are on Twitter.
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It's at Knowledge Underscore Fight and I go to bed Jordan.
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Yep.
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We're also on Facebook.
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We are on Facebook.
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charity in your area.
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Yes, absolutely.
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We'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm the concierge at the Medallion Hotel.
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That means I'm a ghost.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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