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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

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I love you. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan. We're a couple dudes. I like to sit around, drink novelty beverages,

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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh, indeed we are. Dan.

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Jordan. Dan.

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Jordan. What was the last time you got stuck in traffic?

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Yesterday, driving around with you. I mean, I haven't driven a car since I moved to Chicago.

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Right. That's what I'm saying.

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No, I did once. You did once?

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Dan Dries was trying to teach me to drive during this short period

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where I thought I was going to buy an RV. So I realized I needed to get a driver's license.

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Of course. And so he was teaching me to drive,

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and he didn't need to. I remember how to drive.

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Yeah. But I was really

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scared about it because at that point it had been like six, seven years since I had driven.

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I thought I'd be like all over the road. Right.

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I was fine. Yeah.

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But no traffic that time. But yeah, in your car yesterday.

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Like, before you moved to Chicago, you used to drive around, right?

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Yeah. In Missouri.

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Yeah? Yeah.

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What happened in Missouri while you were driving? Hit a lot of curbs.

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Hit a lot of curbs? No, not really.

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Were you a confident driver? It's my reputation. Nah,

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you don't need to be all that confident in Columbia, Missouri.

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Fair. Fair.

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It's pretty easy going for the most part. You don't need to be all that sober in Columbia.

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No, you do. Oh, yeah.

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They're pretty serious. Like, you don't have to be sober in Chicago.

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Right. Every comic I've ever known has, like,

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driven drunk all over the place, and I'm very uncomfortable about it.

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Don't reveal our secrets. It's not a secret.

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It's almost impossible to get a DUI in Chicago if you're white.

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It is really tough. It's really tough if you're white.

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But in Columbia, they take that a little more seriously.

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I never drove drunk after I... When I was, like, 19, I had not a DUI.

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It ended up getting pled down to a civic violation or whatever.

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But I was so scared in the moment when it happened.

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So I was just like, oh my God, this is... It was terrifying.

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Yeah, of course. Losing control of a car.

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Of course. Thankfully, no one got hurt or anything like

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that. But I was so scared of that, that from 19 on, I never got in a car driving

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with any alcohol in me. Even one beer.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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I was very, very, like, terrified from that experience.

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So anyway, I don't know. I haven't been in traffic in a long time.

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Lots of fun stories.

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Yeah, sure.

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It doesn't matter if you're in traffic.

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Nope.

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It's just a gateway into communication.

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Sure. There's a podcast where I don't know much about traffic,

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but I know a lot about Alex Jones.

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That's true. And I know a lot about traffic.

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And I don't know anything about Alex Jones, except what you tell me.

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We are like Jack Spratt and his wife.

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The bone and the fat and the lick and the plate clean.

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No, no.

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Anyway...

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We are not like Jack Spratt and his wife.

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Today, we got a very interesting show where we will be back in 2009.

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And I have some thoughts about that.

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I want to discuss them on the other side of this.

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But first, I have some thoughts that are very positive about some of our new donors.

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I'd like to give them a shout out.

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First, Cummins. Thank you so much.

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You are now policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Cummins.

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Thank you, very much, Cummins.

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Next, Kenneth. Thank you so much.

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You are now policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Kenneth.

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Thank you very much, Kenneth.

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Next, Eric. With a K.

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Eric with a K.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, very much, Viking Eric.

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Now, next. This one is MCF, which I can't tell

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if it's a play on McG, the music video director like McF.

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I don't think it is.

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I don't think so.

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Anyway, MCF, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, MCF.

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Thank you very, very much, MCF.

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Finally, I'd like to say thank you to somebody who took their donation, bumped it up a little

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bit.

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What?

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Let me appreciate it so very much.

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So Tyler, you are now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars.

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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone, someone sodomized and sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark.

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Bah, bah, bah, bah, bah, bah.

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

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He's a loser, little, little kitty baby.

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I don't want to hate black people.

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I renounce Jesus Christ.

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Thank you so much, Tyler.

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Thank you very much, Tyler.

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If you're listening out there and you're thinking, hey, I like this show, I'd like to support

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these gents, you can do that by going to our website, knowledgefight.com, clicking that

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button that says support the show.

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We do appreciate it.

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Indeed you can, and that would be nice of you.

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Yeah.

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And also we got some other people posting that they have redirected websites, URLs to

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a...

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Absolutely.

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The website is www.soros.wiki now redirects to our wiki page.

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To the actual wiki?

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I believe so.

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So that's fun.

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Look, so today what we're doing is we're going back to 2009.

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And I mentioned that a lot of the main mysteries are kind of...

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They're not that mysterious to us anymore by 2009.

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We have the Tea Party sort of figured out in terms of the Oath Keepers angle.

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We have a little glimmering of Soros talk.

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And so those main things that were really driving my curiosities aren't that spectacular

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to me anymore.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But I realized our last episode ended with coverage of April 13th, 2009, and two days

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later is Tax Day.

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So we can't leave 2009 without getting to the main day of the Tea Party.

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Absolutely.

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Since at that point they hadn't lost the thread yet, it was still an anti-tax movement.

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Right, right, right.

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Or whatever.

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So you got to get to at least Tax Day.

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And so I decided we're going to stick in 2009, at least for a little bit.

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And I was like, hey, you know what I'm going to do?

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I'm going to get the 14th and the 15th knocked out now.

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We're going to find out what happened.

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Unfortunately on this episode, I think the most shocking thing I've ever heard on Infowars

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happens.

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And...

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I love taxes!

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No.

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Taxation without representation!

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That would have been crazy.

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Just from a narrative standpoint, that would have been nuts.

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But I can't even begin to talk about how fucked up the thing that happens on this episode

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is.

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There are not many times that I'm listening to these episodes and my response to something

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I hear is, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, and then I have

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to pause the episode.

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Wall to wall, end words.

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Wall to wall.

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I have to pause the episode and sit there for a couple minutes like, what's happening?

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And then listen back to the clip like five times to make sure I heard it correctly.

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That sort of thing.

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So I don't want to oversell this, but we'll get to that as we get to it.

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I started drinking Adrenachrome and I got to be honest.

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It's pretty good.

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It's pretty great.

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It's pretty great.

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So we're going over just the 14th today.

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We'll have to let tax day wait because this really threw a wrench into my process.

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But we're going to start here on the 14th.

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This is complaining about taxes and the idea that there are more new taxes.

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And then he discusses a way you can fight back against those taxes.

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And then they're going to squeeze you.

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Every state's passing new taxes, New York 80 something new taxes, and they're going

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to take your property, take your home, squeeze you, swatting you.

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They're going to send the police and anybody that fights back with the second amendment

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is going to be called a terrorist.

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Yeah.

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And that's what America is.

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Agreed 100%.

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That phrasing is fucked up.

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Agreed 100%.

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Fight back with the second amendment.

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And anybody who shoots a tax collector is all of a sudden a terrorist.

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Isn't that kind of what he's saying?

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It is exactly what he's saying.

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You can't say fights back with guns.

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So you paraphrase and say fights back with the second amendment.

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That's what he's saying.

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Fight back with guns against taxes.

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Yeah, I was going to say, how can you fight?

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Haha, if you do not recall, the second amendment provides for no taxes.

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It relieves the burdens of taxation.

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How does that work?

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So that's where we start.

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That's crazy that Alex is like, if you, if you murder an IRS agent with a gun, then they're

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going to be all in a tizzy and call you a murdering terrorist.

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We start, we start, it opens with one, the government is going to send the FBI and the

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cops to your house.

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And they're going to squeeze you much like Alex is going to do as a squid against Joe

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Rogan.

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Of course, for your $4,000 in taxes that you have to pay.

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And if you kill them, all of a sudden people are going to say you're a bad dude.

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And especially because it would be necessarily politically motivated, you know, it would

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be, it would be terrorism.

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Anyway, Alex takes calls early on this episode.

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Not sure why.

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I think he's, he's sort of feeling the idea of getting the temperature of America.

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And this caller calls in and he starts talking about how he was listening to my main man

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Neil Bortz.

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Neil Bortz is another conservative radio guy.

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Sure.

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He's the proponent, one of the main proponents of the flat tax.

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And also a fairly entertaining broadcaster, but he doesn't have Alex Jones chops.

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I would call the flat tax more like a give all of the money to the rich tax.

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I think that's what I would call it.

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That's one way to look at it.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, this guy was listening to Neil Bortz and apparently Bortz is starting to

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cover some of these like Mayak report things that Alex has been talking about.

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And so this caller wants to ask Alex about like, what does he think about that?

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And he brings up the way Bortz is covering it and wants Alex's response.

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All right.

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Well, we'll go ahead, sir.

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Um, well anyways, he turned everything into a liberal issue.

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Why is there no left wing on the document?

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Why is it just right wing and everything like that?

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Now that, you know, and everything here locally and in Nashville and everything, they're talking

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about all the big tea parties and stuff like that.

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And one of the left having thing like that, why aren't they coming up against this stuff

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about the IRS and stuff like that?

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Well, because the so-called left or all big banker foundation owned and run all these

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big websites literally attacking me or Ford foundation, Rockefeller foundation funded.

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In fact, I'm going to cover that some later in the hour, and so they're there wanting

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more taxes.

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See the average liberal on the street thinks that it was a lovey-dovey and social welfare

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debt and that it's helping the poor to have big government.

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They don't understand big government is for the big corporations through their tax free

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foundations to steal the working people's money.

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And so the left loves the taxes.

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That's why they list the tea parties is basically terrorists in a lot of these documents is

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because the hereditary enemy of the globalist is paleo conservatives slash classical liberals

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and the Thomas Jefferson hill.

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Thanks for the call.

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So the underlying question that he seems to be asking the caller, like, why don't they

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have any of these Myak reports about liberals or people on the left?

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Why is, why isn't that?

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Why is it only us right wing people who are being pointed out for their extremism?

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There's a reason for this.

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It's because Alex and his guests like to pretend that all government is ever concerned about

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is right wing extremism and they just, the government just turns a complete blind eye

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to any terrorism or extremism on the left.

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This perception is created and reinforced by the fact that people like Alex or in this

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caller's case, Neil Bortz only cover stuff like this when they need to get really defensive

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about reports about right wing extremism.

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So they can, you know, just basically prop up their own narrative of systemic oppression.

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It should come as no surprise that this version of reality that the propagandists here present

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is not accurate in any way.

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In April 2001, Dr. Carl Sager prepared a report for the US Department of Energy entitled Left

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Wing Extremism, The Current Threat.

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This report in many ways is pretty similar to the Myak report saying things like, quote,

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a lot of terrorists on the left are communists, which may be accurate, I'm not sure, but in

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no way implies that this report is saying that you are a terrorist if you're a communist.

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A lot of left wing terrorists probably do have communist leanings.

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That doesn't mean that they're saying communists are terrorists, anything like that.

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It's very similar to the Myak report in many ways, but a little bit more exhaustive.

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I wonder why.

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The report explains that, quote, the threat to the United States government from leftist

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extremists has decreased considerably in the past decade, but it has not disappeared.

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It goes on to say that, quote, the challenge to law enforcement and security is not to

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interfere with the rights of individuals to express their beliefs while also providing

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a means for the early identification of extremists who are planning criminal actions, which is

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the underlying point of all the, quote, unquote, patriot demonizing documents that Alex yells

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about all the time.

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It's the same thing.

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One of the things I found particularly interesting about this particular report, though, was

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that it pulled information from a study conducted by Brent Smith, published in the State University

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of New York Press, called Terrorism in America.

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In the study, Smith looked at 378 members of identified terrorist groups and compared

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the demographics of those in right wing groups and left wing ones.

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He found that members of right wing groups were 97 percent male compared to 73 percent

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in left wing groups.

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Members of right wing groups were 97 percent white compared to 29 percent in left wing

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groups.

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Thirty-six percent of the members of right wing groups were over the age of 40 as opposed

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to 18 percent over the age of 40 in left wing groups.

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Twelve percent of the members of right wing groups had college degrees compared to 54

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percent of left wing group members.

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None of that really proves anything definitive, but the numbers are different enough to be

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interesting.

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Yeah.

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From that.

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I think what you're saying is that women earn only 24 terrors for every 76 terrorists there

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are.

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I think there is a gender discrepancy in terrorism.

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I think this is an issue.

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Yeah.

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I think this is an issue.

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That's a problem.

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You are a terrorist J.W.

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So also in October 2014, the Department of Homeland Security released a report titled

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Patterns of Terrorism in the United States 1970 to 2013.

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It's very clear that, you know, from the data it presents.

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Mostly what you find is that there was a shit ton of left wing terrorism in the 70s.

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And that shifts hard towards right wing terrorism from that point onward.

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In the 80s and 90s anti-abortion activists, the report's words, not mine, were the number

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one category of terrorist in the United States comprising 16 percent of attacks in the 80s

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and 26 percent of the 90s.

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Throughout that entire time, the DHS does make note that groups like the Animal Liberation

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Front and Earth Liberation Front were very active in committing a bunch of terrorist

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acts.

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But in the 24 years that the ALF was active at that point, their attacks had killed no

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one.

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That's true of the Earth Liberation Front.

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Over that same time period, you saw a rise in incidents involving right wing groups like

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the Aryan Republican Army, the Aryan Liberation Front, and the World Church of the Creator.

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At the same time, the numbers of left wing incidents were decreasing.

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You see these patterns very clearly.

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The point is that the government and the researchers in these organizations, they don't ignore

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left wing terrorism.

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They deal with the reality.

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And that reality is that there's plenty of left wing terrorism to discuss and simultaneously

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there's even more right wing terrorism to discuss.

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If anyone's ignoring anything, it's Alex and his right wing ilk ignoring the fact that

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they do cover all this stuff in order to maintain the illusion that the out of control government

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is targeting conservatives in preparation to put them in camps or some shit like that.

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That's all.

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This is all bullshit.

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There's plenty of reports you can find about left wing terrorism.

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There's also plenty of reports you can find about the FBI planting agents with inside

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left wing groups in order to incite them to violence in order to discredit them.

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That is a very real example that happens regularly, including recently in the how many different

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places?

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In Charlottesville, they had FBI agents in there in so many different places in the fucking

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Black Panthers in the 60s and 70s.

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The main reason that they killed fucking Fred Hampton was because there was an informant

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inside of the Black Panthers.

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Why was there an informant?

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Because the FBI was fucking targeting them specifically and ignoring right wing terrorist

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groups.

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There's a line between informant and provocateur.

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Absolutely.

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Because in the same way that I understand why there would be an informant at like Elohim

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City in the 90s, I do understand why there would be an informant in the Black Panthers

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too.

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I get it.

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Yeah.

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No, for sure.

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But that's very different.

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The reality of the situations is quite different.

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Charlottesville is the best example of the FBI literally planting agents inside the protesters

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in order to incite them to violence, in order to discredit them.

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I recall some of that stuff coming out of Ferguson too.

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It was absolutely coming out of Ferguson.

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But be that as it may, we got just bogus nonsense coming up here.

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We got Alex saying, use the Second Amendment to fight taxes and then just crazy bullshit

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about how the left is free to roam and no one targets them or anything like that.

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I assume Alex doesn't get the irony of him saying that you should kill tax collectors

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and also saying that right wing terrorist is almost non-existent.

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I assure you he doesn't.

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He doesn't get that irony?

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I assure you, or if he does, he's very cagey about not revealing that he does.

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So in this next clip, he gets to a narrative against one President, Barack Obama, that

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I think, first of all, the first part of it is pretty distasteful and I'm not thrilled

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with.

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The second part is awesome.

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And it's another one of these scandals that I completely forgot.

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It's tan suit level.

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Okay.

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Oh boy.

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I forgot about this one.

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I mean, how can anybody believe anything Barack Obama says?

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Everything is a lie.

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He's 6.5% African, 6.5%.

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So it's a lie that he's black.

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He didn't get a rescue dog, like he said he was, and that's now on the news.

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That's a lie.

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So he didn't get a rescue dog.

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That's right.

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That is right.

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I remember that.

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Completely forgot people were mad about that.

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Oh my God.

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Oh my God.

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For real.

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He was just a black President.

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I am somebody who is strongly in favor of rescuing pets, absolutely.

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And I also think that when celebrities get boutique pets and stuff like that, it kind

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of does send a bad message.

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Because I understand that there's some very soft criticisms to make of the President not

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getting a rescue dog, but he didn't lie about it.

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So in 2009, President Obama adopted Bo, America's first dog.

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Bo was a Portuguese water dog.

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That was America's first dog?

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Only he'd never had dogs before.

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Socks was the first cat.

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And I'm grateful that Bill Clinton brought cats to our lives.

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That's wonderful.

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It's always a Democrat President who reintroduces animals into the wild.

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Yeah.

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My assessment of Bo is pretty cute, all things considered.

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In a scandal that we all still remember as being a stain on the presidency, Barack Obama

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did not adopt a rescue dog after saying that he absolutely 100% would only accept a rescue

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dog.

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Except that isn't true at all.

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In a press conference, Obama said, quote, we have two criteria that have to be reconciled.

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One is that Malia is allergic, so it has to be hypoallergenic.

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There are a number of breeds that are hypoallergenic.

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On the other hand, our preference would be to get a shelter dog, but obviously, a lot

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of shelter dogs are mutts like me.

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So whether we're going to be able to balance those two things, I think, is a pressing issue

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on the Obama household.

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So actually, in that quote, he deals with Alex's other criticism of him, which is, yeah,

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he didn't say that he was going to get a shelter dog or a rescue dog, just that he would prefer

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to.

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But the requirements they were working with might make it hard.

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By April, they'd narrowed down the dog hunt, and the family began searching at shelters

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for a dog that met their needs.

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Ultimately, they didn't find that dog.

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But one of the litter mates of the dog owned by Senator Ted Kennedy did fit their exact

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needs, so he bought it for them as a gift.

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Though Bo was bought from a breeder, the dog is also what's known as a second chance pet,

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meaning that its first owner had returned it to the breeder, which is something that

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can carry a little bit of a stigma in dog breeding circles.

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Obama never claimed that this made it a rescue dog, but guess who did?

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Cesar fucking Milan did.

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The dog whisperer.

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He said it was a rescue dog.

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Hey, hey.

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Even Wayne Parcell, the chief executive of the Humane Society, called Bo a, quote, quasi-rescue

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dog.

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After the Obamas were criticized for their decision to a level that seems disproportionate,

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they made a donation to the Humane Society as a gesture.

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Long story short, there's no scandal here, and he didn't lie about it.

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I hate people.

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I hate them.

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I hate them.

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I hate them.

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I hate them.

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I hate them.

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I hate them.

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I hate them.

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I hate them.

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I hate them.

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I hate them.

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I hate them.

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It's crazy.

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Fuck you.

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It's crazy.

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Fuck all of you.

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Fuck anybody who talked about this!

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The fucking current president started the goddamn office breaking the emoluments clause!

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He didn't, uh...

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He should already be gone!

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But he didn't say he was gonna get a rescue dog and then didn't...

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Literally!

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Constitutionally he is not allowed to be president.

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Nah, naw!

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Literally!

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He's on the up...

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According to the Constitution!

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He's on the up and up on pets, so I'm okay with it.

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Oh my god. And I don't know if you know this, Alex, but black isn't a percentage in America.

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Black is the color of your skin. It doesn't matter if you're 1% black, but your skin is

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all the way black. People are going to treat you racistly. That is the reality of the situation.

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There's different conversations and you can intentionally blend them if you want to do

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what Alex is doing. I just never like to hear anybody give racial litmus tests and stuff

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like that because they never come from a good place. They never come from a place of good

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faith or saying something positive. It's always used to attack and it's always exclusionary

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and it sucks. It just sucks to hear Alex say things like that.

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There are so many stories and probably still going on right now, actually almost certainly

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still going on right now, where somebody of mixed race is both excluded from their skin

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color based community and also excluded from the other side of their heritage simply because

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of their skin color. That is something that is a massive issue. No, but hey, it's all

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about percentage. Nevermind.

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So Alex now goes to a guest. He's got a guest and we met this guy in Endgame and we caught

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a little glimpse of him in the Obama deception and he's old and a big douche.

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We're going to get Jim Tucker written for some of the largest syndicated columns in

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newspapers, been in newspaper work for almost 50 years, writes for American Free Press.

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He is the original guy who 30 plus years ago began writing about the Bilderberg Group.

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So I have more to say about him than we necessarily covered in the Obama deception stuff or in

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the Endgame stuff. And it's good for a refresher about this because he works for American Free

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Press. And you hear a name like American Free Press, all those things are things that Alex

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purports to love, man. How can you be against something that's American, that's free or

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is the press? That's great. All those words are awesome.

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Yeah, but actually I think Alex hates all of those words.

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Possibly. Also, the American Free Press is one of those things that's named in a way

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to intentionally trick people into thinking stuff like what I was just saying.

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Oh, do you mean like Americans for Prosperity?

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You bet. When in reality it's a completely fucked up outlet and anyone associated with

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it deserves a fair amount of suspicion. The American Free Press was set up by Willis Carto,

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a noted anti-Semite and white supremacist. In 2001, after his previous publication, the

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spotlight was forced into bankruptcy. They were sued by the Institute for Historical

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Review which is a legit outright Holocaust denialist publication which was also founded

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by Willis Carto who had by that time fallen out of their good graces. So he co-founds

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this organization and by this point in time, he was not doing great.

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So it's really called American Free Press Minorities Into Small Bits.

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Yeah. So in 1996, the Institute for Historical Review successfully sued Willis Carto for

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just short of $6.5 million because he embezzled $7.5 million that had been left to the IHR

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in the will of Jean Edison Farrell, the grand niece of Thomas Edison who was herself a really

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big anti-Semite. I have bad news also about Thomas Edison, not a cool guy.

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Oh, what?

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He hired a guy back in the day and then fired him the next day because he found out he was

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Jewish.

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Ah, man. Thomas.

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Also wrote a letter in 1914 blaming the Jews for starting World War I.

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Not just did he steal all those patents but he's also an anti-Semite? I'm starting to

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think he's a bad guy.

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Yeah, turns out he wasn't great. And his grand niece gave $7.5 million.

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Wait. Wasn't Tesla Jewish?

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I don't know actually.

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I could be right. I think he was Hungarian but I don't know if he was Jewish.

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I never really knew to check. I don't know.

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Because I didn't think it mattered. But apparently I was way wrong.

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So Willis didn't take his ouster from IHR very well and at one point he staged an occupation

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of their headquarters to try and remain in control.

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Ah, that sounds smart.

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It didn't go well.

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Imbezzle several million dollars and then occupy the business that is suing you. Perfectly

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correct.

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I'm not actually sure if that occupation was before the lawsuit or after but it doesn't

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really matter in my eyes.

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The 2001 case that bankrupted him appears to be a continuation of this case from 1996

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but also alleged that Willis Carto diverted funds from the IHR's parent company to himself.

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After he lost this case he had to declare bankruptcy and the spotlight ended up having

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to fold.

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But because Willis Carto is a man dedicated to both the grift and to antisemitism he immediately

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started up American Free Press and most of the people involved in the spotlight just

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started working there.

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It's kind of just a rebranding.

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You know it's good that he knew to stay in his lane though.

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Sure.

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You know like he's a guy who knows what he does. He accepts it.

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Also I'm wrong about Tesla.

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Okay.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Glad you checked.

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Yeah.

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So Willis Carto quote one of the most influential American antisemitic propagandists of the

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past 50 years which makes sense considering that he explicitly set up his publications

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both the spotlight and American Free Press as instruments to turn the public sentiment

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against.

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And as the ADL puts it quote mobilize opinion against the Jewish population.

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Right.

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But how were their beat writers?

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Like did they have a sports section?

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Well one of them was fucking Jim Tucker so yes.

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Right.

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But I mean like how did they cover like when was this?

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They didn't have a sports section.

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They didn't have a sports section?

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No.

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Well then why would anybody?

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It was an antisemitic political jackrag.

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That's what it was.

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With Carto there's no gray area.

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He did what he did to swindle money from organizations and to attack the Jews who he saw as the biggest

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threat to the world.

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He literally said quote if Satan himself with all of his superhuman genius and diabolical

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ingenuity at his command had tried to create a permanent disintegration and force for the

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destruction of the nations he could have done no better than to invent the Jews.

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Huh.

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Just blunt.

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That is harsh.

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It's harsh criticism.

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In an interesting connection to Alex's intellectual heroes Willis Carto was actively involved

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in the George Wallace 1968 presidential campaign.

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I don't know why he would be involved in that campaign.

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Running he ran the Youth for George Wallace group in that campaign.

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Do you mean Hitler Youth?

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When Wallace his campaign failed Carto continued on with the group and renamed it the National

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Youth Alliance.

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The National Youth Alliance was a hotbed of neo-Nazis and white supremacists with many

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of their leading figures being members of a pseudo secret society called the Francis

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Parker Yaki Society.

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The group was named after this guy Yaki an American Nazi who collaborated with the American

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Bund during World War II and worked tirelessly to create a resurgence in fascism particularly

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after Hitler was defeated.

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So literally the Hitler Youth.

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Yep.

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In 1960 while he was in prison after being caught with falsified passports this Yaki

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guy he was visited by you guessed it Willis Carto who was a near obsessive about his writings

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and philosophy.

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It probably wasn't related but Yaki killed himself by ingesting cyanide a week later.

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Good for him.

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In his time with the new you that's the first thing he's done that I approve of in his time

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with the National Youth Alliance Carter recruited a promising young promising youngster by the

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name of William Luther Pierce into the group.

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Interestingly Pierce would go on to write the Turner Diaries which is largely thought

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of as the white supremacist militia Bible Pierce took over the National Youth Alliance

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and rebranded it as the National Alliance which is one of the most virulent white nationalist

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organizations in public operation during the 90s and early 2000s.

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It's still in existence now but with a slightly fairly diminished capacity.

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But they were a really fucked up important group of the neo-Nazi white supremacist times

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during that reemergence of militia shit in the 90s.

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So it all traces back to Willis Carto and the the George Wallace campaign.

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God damn these people where do they fucking come from.

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In another interesting parallel Carto was one of the people who helped launch the populist

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party best known for probably best known for fielding David Duke as their candidate for

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president in 1988.

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Whereas the populist party was into some of the stuff that the more mainline conservatives

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were at the time they were notable for their stances about repealing the federal income

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tax abolishing the Federal Reserve and cracking down super hard on immigration all things

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that Alex yells about all the time and Alex was like 13 14 when they were coming up as

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a political entity right around what Alex claims that he had his clarity moment reading

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None Dare Call It Conspiracy written by Gary Allen who worked for the Wallace campaign

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right alongside Willis Carto.

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Oh and also Carto is a huge fan of Ron Paul and you know this is like David Duke loved

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Ron Paul too.

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It's like the Avengers of white supremacy is what we're talking about right here.

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They they came together.

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There was one great fight scene where everybody got their little viewpoint on that and then

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at the end of it it turned into a movie that was shit.

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It could be.

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My point here is that there's a lot of really bad connections that you can see really easily

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both literal connections between people and ideological connections.

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But chiefly here the point is that Willis Carto is a flagrant anti-Semite a Nazi sympathizer

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a white supremacist and his publications were set up literally and explicitly to further

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those worldviews and Jim Tucker was the editor of the spotlight and he came along to American

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Free Press after Carto declared bankruptcy in 2001.

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Jim Tucker is complicit.

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He knew what kind of outlet he was working for and here he is presented as some kind

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of an expert instead of an anti-Semite guesting on Alex Jones's show.

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Well there is one thing that he really was an expert in the Bilderberg group.

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Oh curling.

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He really liked curling.

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I told you there's no sports page.

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I really want there to be a sports page.

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There's so many other like.

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I wanted to handle only white like like racquetball like only white mostly sports.

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There's so much other stuff I'd really like to get into but I'm not really sure how much

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all of it is super related like the Pat Buchanan stuff like the spotlight and Carto were really

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big into trying to push Buchanan.

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And so like there's some of those connections but like one of the problems is we don't have

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audio of Alex from times that those would be relevant.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Mid 90s and stuff like that if we had those tapes I almost guarantee he was a Buchanan

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fan.

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Yeah.

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I have no idea.

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I can't back that up.

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Wild speculation.

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But anyway my point is that Jim Tucker sucks and this is the only charming moment.

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They had just gone back from a commercial break and Alex notices that Jim Tucker's speech

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is a little bit labored.

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Couple weeks ago or so ago.

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Jim you're out of breath as you run outside smoke a cigarette.

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No I smoke two cigarettes.

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Hey hey stay five more minutes with us in the next hour cause I want to I mean let's

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have some levity.

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Let's have some levity up in here.

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Do you smoke a cigarette?

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No I smoke two cigarettes.

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That's pretty good.

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Excuse me sir I'm too fucking cool.

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Yeah that's.

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Jesus.

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That's pretty good.

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Like in terms of like it was quick.

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Yeah.

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A quick response.

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Not bad.

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Pretty witty.

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Yeah.

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Now unfortunately he starts talking about how cigarettes are overpriced and you might

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get.

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Dude move to Chicago now man.

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You might get your first indication that this interview isn't going to go well.

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And until the turkeys in Congress increased cigarette taxes by 62 cents a pack jerking

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food off the tables for starving Negro children in doing so they cost a dollar seventy cents

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a carton or a dollar seventy cents each seventeen dollars a carton.

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That came out of his mouth real easy.

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So apparently cigarette taxes.

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So he's mad about cigarette taxes on behalf of the black youth.

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Yes.

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Yeah gotcha.

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Gotcha Dan.

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I don't want to.

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I buy it.

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I don't want to break this down too much.

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But that was just that was the first moment where like oh oh boy that that didn't seem

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good.

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I buy it.

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So in this next clip Alex is Jim's still there but he's talking about how he hasn't plugged

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and he wants to plug the people should go get the Obama deception.

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And the reason that he's plugging is because he knows that there's going to be tons and

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tons of tea parties around the country the next day.

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Of course.

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And they're a good marketing opportunity for him.

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I just want to salute and thank everyone that has gotten the Obama deception and I want

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to encourage those of you that haven't to please get it at mfallwars.com on the secure

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online video and bookstore shopping cart and make all the copies your heart wants to.

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I mean as many as you can make I know a lot of universities and other groups of students

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are going out and everywhere Obama goes to speak they're giving out thousands of these

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and the tea parties of the neo cons are trying to co-opt patriots true patriots are going

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out to these events and really waking up the people that are the tea parties to the full

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scope of the new world order.

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So again mfallwars.com.

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So you can see that it's basically what we've seen all along the dumb dumb conservative

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the bad conservatives trying to co-opt this tea party.

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We're the good ones.

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We're the real ones.

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The real patriots.

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And the way we radicalize them is by you guys getting me a ton more fans.

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Yep.

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Get me a ton more fucking fans and then we will swing this thing.

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And for him that like for normal businesses you'd be like this is a bad business strategy

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telling people to copy your stuff.

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But in reality for him it's a brilliant business strategy because everybody that's buying his

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CD is going to give it to somebody who does not have it and would never buy it.

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It's the definition of like market saturation into places you can't get into the corners

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of populations and people who probably will never be exposed to your stuff.

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And so you take a little bit of a bath.

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You don't actually know you don't because everybody making the copies is the one who's

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paying for the extra everybody.

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Everybody who would buy it is buying it.

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Yeah.

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They're also giving it away.

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Even people who are downloading it or whatever watching it on YouTube if they are fans they're

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buying it also.

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Yeah.

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Yeah absolutely.

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Yeah.

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You you have tapped your potential.

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You only stand to gain from piracy.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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That is that is definitely true.

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Yeah.

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So Jim Tucker's there and they're talking about Bilderberg and I mean to his credit Bilderberg

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is like a month away and he knows where it is.

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He does get the place right.

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It's in Greece about 14 miles away from Athens and the dates.

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He gets those right.

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Yeah.

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But to me that doesn't seem like that big a deal because he's still super vague about

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what the it's going to be about.

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He's just saying that they're going to celebrate the financial crisis.

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Oh that doesn't seem like that sounds it doesn't seem right.

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Doesn't seem accurate.

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Sounds fun.

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You go to Athens you celebrate the financial crisis.

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You know the best place to celebrate the financial crisis.

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The place hit hardest by.

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Yeah.

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I don't know what.

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Like I don't pretend to know where he got the information from or even if it was publicly

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known wider than I understand in April 2009.

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Yeah.

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It's possible.

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I don't know.

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I don't know the recent dates.

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That doesn't impress me that much.

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The gym has that because everything else is off and nonsensical.

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So would you say that don't impress you much?

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Right.

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I was trying to work a Shania Twain reference in there.

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So in this next clip we find out something that's very big and that is that Alex has

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a new sponsor.

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And this is a new sponsor because I've used this product.

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I believe in nano silver.

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The smaller the particle the better.

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And silver is one of the oldest antibiotics.

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There's a lot of great silver products out there.

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But I've tested this one out with other things like that.

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You know what 15% of kids have that thing where they get a few warts on them.

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My son had that.

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Put silver on it.

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Knocked it right out.

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Even the doctor offered us silver.

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So again ladies and gentlemen.

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New silver solution.

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Silver is one of the oldest natural antibiotics.

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Go to super silver.

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Supernaturalsilver.com.

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So that's it.

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Supernatural silver is the name of the business.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Homeopathy is the name of the business.

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Alex has a new sponsor.

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This is an outfit called supernatural silver.

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From everything I can tell this is the first instance of Alex selling silver based health

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product.

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Which is something he'd continue to do for years.

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So that's fun.

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Colloidal silver.

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Interestingly I can't prove that supernatural silver is an actual legit company.

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Or at least not that.

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You should really be able to prove something is a company.

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Well I can't.

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And I couldn't based on that name.

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Right.

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Their website lists a P.O. box in Huntsville Utah as their address which leads you to believe

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that they would be filed as a business with the state of Utah.

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But if you search the Utah business registration website there is no company called supernatural

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silver on file.

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And including businesses whose filings have expired.

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It would take.

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It could be that the company is incorporated in a different state.

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But it's not.

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If you search the site in the wayback machine their supernatural silver dot com you can

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find their terms of service page from like 2010 2011.

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And it clearly says that they're operated out of the state of Utah.

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We are a scam dot com.

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It's all very weird.

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Nothing makes sense about it.

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Their customer facing elements don't make it seem like it's that big of a company.

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For instance I found their Twitter and they only have 70 followers and they haven't tweeted

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since August 2018.

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Are they OK.

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Their website is like it's just a bunch of products like a list of products you can buy

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that takes you to a checkout screen.

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It's super minimal.

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So at that point going this far through it I was like well I don't know I've been able

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to establish that based on their terms of service page from you can get on the wayback

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machine they are calling themselves supernatural silver.

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That's the business name as described there.

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That isn't in the Utah dot gov registry of business names.

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But there's one place left to look for info.

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They claim that supernatural silver is copyright and they own the copyright to it.

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So if that's the case then there's a file in the government patents and copyright office.

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So I ran a search on that and found found them.

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And this is where things get a little bit interesting.

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For one the copyright is lapsed now.

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So it's wide open if you have a silver business.

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Second the actual name of their business is Silver Panacea LLC.

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They don't have a doing business as name on file for supernatural silver which is what

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they're presenting as the business's name.

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So that's a little bit dicey.

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I'm not sure if that's illegal in Utah as it is in Texas when we looked into the fortified

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supply stuff.

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I don't know about Utah's laws so I'm going to leave that one up in the air.

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However because we can now find the business information about the company because we have

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the business's name we can find out more about it.

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Like the fact that though they filed their LLC paperwork on March 11th 2009 they claim

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in their copyright application that the first time they did business was April 9th 2009

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a mere five days before the episode that we're listening to which is nuts.

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That is very suspicious.

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That is an aggressive media blitz right there.

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That is very weird.

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Getting their name out.

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Come on.

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The business.

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On Infowars.

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The business tracking site Buzz file cites an estimate that silver panacea brings in

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about seventy three thousand dollars annually.

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So my suspicion that it's not that large of a company seems pretty accurate.

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Manta another business information tracking site estimates the same annual revenue.

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If these estimates are accurate that you have a minuscule business that hasn't even been

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operating a week somehow being able to afford advertising on Alex Jones's show when his

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rates should have been at least competitive at that time which seems legitimately impossible

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to me.

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None of this makes sense.

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Well what you've got to understand is that it's really just one dude who had I apologize.

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I should have said person.

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You're right.

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I just assume it's a dude because they're advertising on Infowars.

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You know.

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So it's just one woman who was gifted a bunch of silver like a lot of silver just want to

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chop it down a lot of silver bars silver bars.

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So she doesn't really have any overhead other than mailing shit.

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So she probably makes a good sixty grand a year.

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And if she needs more money she just sells some of the silver as a bar.

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I'm very suspicious of the sponsorship but until I can learn more I have to leave it

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at that.

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It's a suspicion.

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It's entirely possible that the person who started this business was independently wealthy

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took a huge gamble with the sponsorship on Alex's show hoping for a big return.

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I'm going to keep my eyes on this one and let you know what comes up.

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And if it turns out that it is just some rich person in Utah making a really dumb financial

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investment I'm ready to accept that possibility.

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But something seems like a good place to do that.

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Although on the other hand the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints the third book

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does explicitly say that if you are doing business in a different name you do have to

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register as that is in that book.

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That is really in there.

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Something is up there.

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I don't know what it is.

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I'm interested and I'm going to keep looking into it see what I can find.

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But for now it's either just someone who's like throwing money away.

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Or Alex's rates might be nothing.

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It could be an indication that some business that literally just started and I don't think

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that they've ever been all that huge.

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If they're making $73,000 a year now still in operation what were they ever making?

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What were their tweets like?

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What would you tweet if you were a business that has 70.

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Oh like health.

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Health articles.

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Gotcha.

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Gotcha.

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Gotcha.

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That was most of it.

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They're sharing lies in order to spread.

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Silver.

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Like buy silver.

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Yeah.

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Gotcha.

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So Jordan at this point we're going to get to the clip that almost destroyed you.

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This is a miked down clip and you might need to hear it twice to believe what you hear.

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But at this point Jim Tucker proves that he works for Willis-Carto.

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And one of the strongest patriots of the Supreme Court is Clarence Thomas who although he is

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himself a Negro is hated by liberals for opposing affirmative action there's evenism for racial

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preferences.

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Well Jim Tucker we appreciate you coming on the show.

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We appreciate your close to 50 something years covering news.

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I am convinced.

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I listen to that a ton of times.

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I'm sure that's a hard R N word.

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I'm convinced of that.

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You hear the R in there.

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There's no way it was just what he said earlier about the cigarette taxes.

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That came out of his mouth so fucking easy.

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He knows he's on the radio.

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He just called Clarence Thomas the N word.

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How crazy is that.

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They didn't have an audio delay back then.

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I guess not.

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You didn't have five second delay.

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You didn't have a five second delay.

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You didn't have anybody on the board going N word.

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No.

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No.

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Get a giant fucking red button.

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That's a damning indictment of info wars because they didn't even see fit to drop that.

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They were like oh yeah yeah yeah that's a great N word.

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I'm not going to play it again but you guys can go back and listen if you want to.

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If you want to try and you know prove to yourself that that is a hard R N word because it is.

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Here's a larger issue.

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It doesn't matter either way.

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That is a very racist thing to say.

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Oh yeah.

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That's important too.

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I missed the forest for the trees.

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Oh he didn't give the hard R. Oh he was trying to no no I'm going to go with that super racist

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either way.

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Also Clarence Thomas agrees with you more than anybody else.

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Well that's why he's a great patriot.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And you are right.

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Like no matter what the word there actually is.

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What he was expressing was even though Clarence Thomas is this word he's still against affirmative

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action and that's great.

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That's the most he's one of the good ones you could ever hear.

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Whatever that word was was a bad word for black people.

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You know what.

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I would raciously say that he was articulate but he's literally never asked a question

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in open hearing.

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So go fuck him.

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Jesus Christ.

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Jim Tucker dropped an M bomb on Info Wars.

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I've never heard that before.

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I've listened to hundreds and hundreds of hours of Alex's show.

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I've never heard a guest so casually say the N word.

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I've never heard anyone say it period on the show.

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Boy.

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Boy.

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Really threw that one out there huh?

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Yeah.

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Just.

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Just.

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Unbothered.

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And it was like Alex and Jim have hung out a ton so the casualness with which he used

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that word.

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Hey we want to thank you for being here.

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You're a great patriot.

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Thank you for your 50 years of service and finally dropping the N word on my show because

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it's been a long time.

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No because Alex gets him off like immediately.

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Oh yeah.

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So I'm going to be like yeah Jim well I don't know if that's supposed to be the end of their

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interview but he does still say like hey great thanks for joining us.

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He goes on to plug his book and all that stuff but you could see a sense of like we don't

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let I'm not going to let him talk without guidance for a bit but my point is that the

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two of them have hung out a ton.

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Alex looks up to him.

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They got to go together to Bilderberg sometime to Bullhorn and shit.

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They have bowl sessions.

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He's like Jim Tucker is clearly a guy who likes his booze.

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He's like he insisted on being interviewed in a bar in Endgame.

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He's drinking quite a bit during that interview.

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Like the two of them have drunk together.

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So they have a knowledge of each other and whatever the case is I'm not saying I know

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anything but I do know that Jim Tucker thought it was cool to say the N word on Alex's show.

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In front of Alex.

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On his show.

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That's the kind of friendship they must have.

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And I'm not saying that's a good friendship I'm saying that's a type of friendship.

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Oh man.

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Alex has done nothing in the time that they've known each other to make it clear to Jim that

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doesn't fly here.

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Oh no no.

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And he doesn't scold him on air.

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No of course not.

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He doesn't say Jim look there's some words that are appropriate there some aren't.

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It's a mess man.

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I didn't know what to do with that.

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Jim.

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This is why I couldn't make it to the 15th.

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Jim look I'm a racist on my show all the time.

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I want you to be a racist on my show all the time but we can't do that because then people

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would know.

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I know you're 70.

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But come on.

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Come on.

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We got to use code baby.

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What are you an 85 year old woman sitting on her porch in fucking Georgia.

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Christ.

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Well yes I am.

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Jim Tucker does character.

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Now I prefer you refer to me as Mrs. Tucker thank you very much.

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So Alex gets Jim off the show.

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He plugs his book and then says like we've got to set up a time when you're in Bilderberg

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at Greece that we can do an interview and stuff like that.

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They do an on air off air meeting on air about because it's safe.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Fucked up if you're.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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What's the time difference in Greece.

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I don't know.

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But all those n-words they're running.

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What.

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Hold on.

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Did you know they changed from Gregorian calendar because all those n-words.

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Well I'm going down to Greece with all these Hephaestus looking mother fuckers running

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around.

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Yikes.

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I don't know.

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So he gets him off the air and this is why I had to make kind of a point about how that

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was a hard R n-word is because as soon as Jim gets off the air Alex realizes what's

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been done that Jim just said the n-word on his show.

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So now Alex has to pretend that he said a different word and he's got to spin it.

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And the way he does it is not good.

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You know one of my pet peeves is people not knowing what words mean in semantics because

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I know I'm going to get emails from ignorant people.

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Remember Robin Page who we had on BBC reporter was in the BBC news.

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Oh no.

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He did a report on rural affairs.

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He gave a speech saying rural communities deserve the same rights as homosexuals and

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Muslims.

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He was arrested.

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When the British police five years ago said the word homosexual is a hate word.

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Now heterosexual homosexual does just a scientific name for your sexual preference.

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And it's the same thing with Anglo Negro.

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And I was watching a documentary about the fifties and sixties civil rights movement

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and it showed the black folks saying we demand to be called that.

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And then nowadays the public's so ignorant somebody uses the old fashioned term and then

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they all freak out.

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But that shows how screwed up the public is.

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I don't care if the government funds HIV and black folks vaccines.

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It's just don't use a scientific term.

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I just wanted to add that before I get emails.

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You need to learn not to be so ignorant out there.

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So that's the reason I needed to make a point of this because no no I think what Alex is

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trying to present is that that's the word that Jim said.

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And it's not.

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No it is not.

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If you I I listen to that so many times just to make it clear justify to not justify to

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myself but like even if he your your version of it is totally correct.

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Whatever word he used there was racial intent in it and it is not good.

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It is a very racist sentence but because of Alex's response to it and it'd be like it's

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so ignorant I'm just going to get ignorant emails from people who don't understand words

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and semantics.

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Yeah that's us.

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That's on our that's on our part Dan.

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But that's why it's important for me to delineate.

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That's not the word he said.

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Still bad no matter what he said but he did say that Alex is trying to get defensive about

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it hoping there aren't tapes but there were tapes oh yeah there's tapes tapes oh man five

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second delay Alex that would that would make sense why later on we definitely see him pointing

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out there's a five second delay with that one fucking kid.

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Oh Christ.

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So even if but even if but that's what the point even if that guy says African-American

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you're like you're saying the N word.

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He would pronounce it real harsh.

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Yeah.

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I mean homosexual is not a bad word but out of your fucking mouth it's a bad word.

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Well we already talked about that British dude too that Alex is trying to use as justification

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and that doesn't even work based on what he was up to.

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So anyway that was really crazy.

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And like I did all the looking into and writing up on the like American Free Press and Willis

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Cardo before I even got to that part of the episode like well I'm glad I wrote that up.

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This dude was their editor.

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You get it now.

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You get how these people are.

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Yeah.

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So.

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Yeah.

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Anyway in this next clip Alex just says something really stupid and it's like in the context

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of a caller who's calling in and he's presenting like I look I don't know how it happened but

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I've got TB.

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I got or not TB.

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I have hepatitis C. OK.

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He's got hepatitis C and he's like I don't know I got tattoos but I you know I thought

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I got him at all the places that you know are licensed and or have checks from the departments

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and what have you.

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I don't know.

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But somehow should I take my medication for Oh God no I don't want to hear the answer

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to that question.

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We're not going to get to it just yet.

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But he's like I don't know.

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Is it just going to make me worse.

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Is it just going to.

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I'm worried that the government is trying to give me things with my hepatitis C medication.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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And so cool cool cool.

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And so Alex starts talking about first of all he's like I'm not a doctor I can't give

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medical advice.

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And then he starts talking about a bunch of a bunch of other diseases.

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We've gone from one case in two thousand and four of leprosy and no cases before that for

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decades to seven thousand and two thousand and five two thousand and six the next year

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in all these numbers up from where then we haven't seen numbers since then.

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We've gone.

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I mean hepatitis everything's off the charts and you can get hepatitis from somebody making

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your you know your hamburger in a fast food place that doesn't sound right.

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And in Mexico they spray the farms with human feces and then people got hepatitis from that.

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It's third world food.

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Third world food.

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I don't really care about that so much I won't talk about leprosy for a second.

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According to a 2014 report from the Centers for Disease Control there were twenty three

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hundred new cases of leprosy diagnosed in the United States between 1994 and 2011.

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That seven thousand number cannot possibly be accurate because he's clearly talking about

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the United States.

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He's talking about things that get brought in and that sort of thing so that number can't.

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He's just making shit up.

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That's not that's not accurate at all.

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Well I think and I think what he's trying to say there is that there were no cases.

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Then there was one case then there were seven thousand cases and then there were no cases.

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So I think his point that he's trying to make is they did this as like a test and then stopped

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doing it.

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I don't think that's I don't think that's what I mean.

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He is saying something that's supposed to raise suspicions obviously but I don't think

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that's the point he's trying to make.

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I think it's that they're bringing it in because the third world food and stuff like that is

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supposed to I think it's supposed to anchor in your brain is the idea of like third world

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places are bringing all that leprosy in as well as along with the TB and the lettuce

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or whatever.

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And so I mean it's just not accurate.

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I mean even if it were global statistics he was talking about like let's say that seven

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thousand number is accurate for the entire world.

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That one number isn't from the year before.

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So there's no way he can be using consistent numbers to make his point at all.

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The only way that this is the only way to look at the numbers he's presenting is he's

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either cheating big time or he's just making it up.

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And I think it's the latter.

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I think he's just making it up.

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You know it's kind of fun though.

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That sounds to me like the a little bit like Obama's dog is in a rescue as their scandal

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for immigration like instead of they're going to rape everyone you know like all right we

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just might get a little bit of leprosy.

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That's not too bad.

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I mean depends on if you're the person getting that little bit.

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Well I mean hey so you win some you lose some you just got to throw those dice.

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So now we get to the bad part of Alex's response to this guy's call.

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I set up what he was talking about because here Alex gets to the end of his response

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and he says something super irresponsible.

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Just to finish up the question.

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The interferon and all that there's a lot of studies a lot of experts a lot of doctors

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that say it's the drugs that supposedly treat you for HIV and other similar things that

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actually kill you quicker.

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But whatever.

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Let's talk to Chip in Michigan.

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Chip.

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Nope.

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You don't get to just say that.

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You don't just do you know what else?

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A lot of doctors is not enough doctors.

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You don't get to start your answer by saying I'm not a doctor I can't give medical advice

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and then end your answer with a lot of doctors a lot of experts a lot of people say medications

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just make you worse but whatever.

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That but whatever at the end there is particularly distasteful because it's supposed to imply

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dismissal of his own argument in order to highlight that that's the argument he's actually

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making.

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It's like these doctors say that this is the case but whatever go take your medication.

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That's the tone that he's trying to evoke in that.

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That's really dangerous.

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He's telling this person not to take their medication they need to maintain a chronic

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condition.

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Yeah no he's literally saying I am not a doctor but because I know so many doctors who have

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said this I am giving you secondhand medical advice and that secondhand medical advice

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is if you take your HIV medication you will die.

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In his case it's Hep C but yeah yeah but anyone listening could get that negative message

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absolutely for any kind of thing they have meds they need to take and it's just I mean

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it's insane like yes there are some medications for chronic conditions that have horrible

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side effects but the conditions that they take care of also have horrible side effects

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and just trying to make propaganda out of the idea that like there is a small percentage

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of people who will have terribly negative reactions to things therefore no one should

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take those.

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It's so bad.

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It's just so bad.

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That's what he's putting it he's I can't stress he started this show saying that if you don't

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like taxes you can fight back with the Second Amendment right have him allowing Jim Tucker

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to say the n-word on his show and now he's telling the dude straight up if you read between

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the lines of what he's saying don't take your meds like this is fucked up.

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That's a really interesting responsible that's a really interesting argument I would say

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for free speech.

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Do you know what I'm saying?

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Yeah.

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Like if you say something that literally leads to the death of a person yeah and that's purely

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because they believed what you say that's a really fascinating question.

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Yeah I know.

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I don't know.

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I don't actually know what to do with that.

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I thought about it a bit but I don't know what line I draw.

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Right.

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I don't know.

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How could you.

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Would somebody have to die or would just grieve his bodily harm or just the risk.

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I would say I hope that you know first of all I'm never the person who has to decide

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those sorts of things.

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Right.

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I'd hope that you'd have a court.

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Well everyone expects me to be that so I'm sure I'm trying to get your input.

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Yeah of course.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I think I mean if you're like a family member of like let's say this guy stops taking his

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Hep C medication and dies let's just say just as an example right his family members could

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have this audio of him literally calling into Alex's show and him saying there's a lot of

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people who think your meds are worse for you than your your condition.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I don't know if that makes him culpable for giving bad advice.

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Right.

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I don't know.

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I guess it's super dangerous.

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It seems worse and more dangerous than yelling fire in a crowded theater you know.

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Although that I don't know that could cause a stampede which yeah that's a that's a whole.

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I mean it's the same sort of principle though it's like the the the speech you're making

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is fine but the consequences of your speech sometimes aren't as much as like threatening

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somebody it's not the words that are the problem it's the implied threat behind them that are

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the words or extorting somebody.

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Yeah there's nothing wrong with saying getting or get ready or to or die.

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But if you say them but if you say them all in a in a row that's a that's a problem.

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Yeah I don't know it's a complicated line I don't think we have an answer on it but

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anyway at this point Alex takes another call from a guy and this guy is going to the Orlando

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Tea Party the next day and he has some big news for Alex about something he's bringing

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with him.

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He's going to Disneyland!

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I guess with the Tea Parties that are going on there's definitely there's going to be

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a big one here in Orlando tomorrow at Iola Park supposed to be about 6,000 people but

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we do have a group of about 20 people and a couple of bull horns we're going to go down

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there tomorrow.

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We have.

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Tierney Crushers.

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Close to a thousand even he's probably more by then to give out with the Obama deception

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and all kind of other stuff.

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This guy gets it.

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And I just I want to encourage people who are in Florida who are wanting to get active

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maybe you know this is the first time you're hearing this and you don't know where to go

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to you can go to www.meetup.com backslash orlando 9-11 truth we do a lot of stuff and

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last thing that I'll let you go Alex I know you got a lot to do but we're going to have

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a special celebrity endorsement tomorrow we got a life-size Barack Obama cut out we're

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taking to the rally with us with a speech bubble that says new administration same agenda

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one world government well done well done good to hear from you so that's not too bad but

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we do know because we live in 2019 that one of the features of tea parties moving forward

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from here tea party protests burning effigies of Obama right so I'm not saying that this

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guy in any way facilitated that but it's really or it was the inspiration or anything like

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that this guy is just doing something it's a goofy sign whatever I'm it it's just interesting

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that before this tax day largest number of tea parties around the country that that sort

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of thing was there and it's sort of more innocent phase that would turn super dark pretty quick

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and I think it's a function of the fact that at this point I don't think that the tea party

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really had lost the thread yet at least before tax day there was a focus it seems mostly

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on being against taxes that that's the thing so like it makes sense that this guy would

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bring a big Obama cutout and it just be like he's a new world order or whatever as opposed

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to what it becomes which is like you know hanging dolls of Obama and burning them and

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stuff like that like that's it's interesting to me it pivots it pivots somewhere Alex we

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were gonna put in in that speech bubble new administration same agenda but then we were

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listening to your show earlier and Bill Tucker or Jim Tucker said something that's got to

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go in that speech bubble now yuck oh and that's another thing too none of the callers seem

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to be upset about Tucker no of course not if I were on hold and I heard that I'd be

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like Alex they don't have a five-second delay but they do have a call screener at this point

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in time Alex you can't let fucking big Jim Tucker drop and bombs man come on and you

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can't pretend you didn't hear it when you rushed him off the phone like that you can't

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respond that way and then be like listen all you dumb dumbs he said a different word it's

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scientific yeah fuck off yeah out here yeah yeah if he hadn't have defended it there would

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definitely have been more of a like ambiguous ambiguous yeah because but as opposed to him

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like jumping in and being like a lot of people are gonna get that word wrong you're like

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ah you know there's you know there's no ambiguity for me in terms of what Jim said but there

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would be like a bit of plausible deniability and what Alex heard if he hadn't defended

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right right because he didn't say anything after that cigarette tax dropping of that

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word you know like it's not like it's not like Alex responded and needed to be like

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well look I know Jim you you know it's a scientific word people are gonna get mad or whatever

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he didn't respond that way you just let the conversation roll he responded that way because

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he heard the fucking hard R N word and he's like I got I gotta save this yeah so and his

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callers just I mean they either accepted whatever his version of it was or they just didn't

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care either or they were like bout time right bout time I've been waiting 20 years I know

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yeah I have been listening to you Alex and every show I keep thinking is this gonna be

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the show where we finally get the N word today is the day also today is a fucking red letter

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day and that red letter is a hard R Jesus also I don't mean to say this as a compliment

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to Alex in any way but he rolled with it amazingly well like to the point where I actually think

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I mean this in a negative way he seemed unfazed yeah yeah no that's an absolutely negative

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thing the way he was able to pivot it to like hey Jim it's been great to have you on the

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show plugged his book made sure not to get into a fight with him and then got defensive

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as soon as he got off the phone on Jim's behalf yeah it seemed like it that isn't something

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he didn't think could happen yeah it was at least a little prepared for on some level

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I legitimately can't think of any situation where a friend of mine would just suddenly

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drop that word and I'd be like and let's keep going let's keep going with this little beat

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oh we're on the riff train I'm just gonna slide right past that it'd be like maybe like

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nope yeah go fuck yourself mm-hmm so we actually only have one more clip on this episode that

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we're going over here on the 14th and it's it's an interesting thing that goes on for

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most of the show Alex is teasing a guest that he's gonna have on and it's this guy that

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he only identifies as an economist from Argentina okay and that economist is well he doesn't

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say and the guy Lionel Messi everybody might be as much of an accountant as messy have

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you seen the way he moves so this dude is like he's having phone troubles so the interview

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gets pushed back a bit and Alex takes more calls and they're all just kind of inconsequential

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and boring it doesn't really matter but it finally Alex gets to him and well actually

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this is a clip of him having trouble getting him on the phone where he finally reveals

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who this Argentinian economist is Juan Martin del Potro great tennis player he had so many

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injuries for a long time after defeating Federer at the US Open tearing apart the big four

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but instead no over to okay sorry this is always happening Adrian Salvucci the economist

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in Argentina documenting what their collapse was like by design with the international

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monetary fund and the World Bank having trouble getting connected to him in Argentina he does

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eventually get him on the phone and I'm not going to give him the courtesy of playing

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anything he says very nice because it's just I mean you can expect it it's just globalist

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bullshit talk and whatever of course but here's the thing Alex says his name and so I'm able

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to tell you who he is Adrian Salvucci is he's the economist Alex has on to discuss the hardships

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of Argentina and you know how the globalists are destroying their economy course Alex however

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fails to point out that Salvucci is an ultra nationalist and part of a group called Project

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Second Republic which aims to bring a new independence to Argentina a new independence

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from whom you might ask I think you already know it's the Jews Salvucci and his group

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believe in a conspiracy known as the Andinia plan which took it took some plans regarding

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Jewish emigration to South America in the late 19th century and early 20th century and

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exaggerated them into being Jewish plans to take over Argentina and establish a second

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Jewish state there the theory has been a mainstay of Argentinian neo-nazi propaganda for decades

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and this Salvucci guy is all about it Salvucci has been denounced in 2014 by the delegation

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of Argentine Israelite associations for his anti-Semitic comments which shouldn't be surprising

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considering that he seems to make a habit of being interviewed by Holocaust deniers

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like this guy James Fetzer who he got interviewed by who once wrote quote my research on the

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Holocaust narrative suggests it's not only untrue but probably false Salvucci also posted

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a YouTube video on his own channel entitled quote the truth about the protocols of the

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sages of Zion which unsurprisingly was not a debunking video oh yeah no I I don't know

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all of this but it kind of concerns me that anti-semitism flourishes in a place where

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I may be incorrect in assuming this but I feel like there are not a ton of Jews living

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in Argentina no there were there's a there's a number of it's it's a place that there was

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in like the 1880s and after there was some Jewish emigration there South America was

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attractive to a number of Jewish folk really I did not know that I don't understand all

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of the dynamics of that necessarily but there are there are some communities down there

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but also you gotta you gotta consider that a lot of fucking Nazis hid there too the boys

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from Brazil what have you you know it's true yeah so Mengele was out there down there in

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South America good point I did not consider so a lot of that influence may also linger

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in some in some national hyper nationalist situations there and so this guy this Adrian

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Salvucci is that's that's his flavor he's not an economist who wants to talk about the

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globalists in Alex's supposed conception of them coming in and like economic takeover

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and what have you he wants he's a dude who believes that the Jews are trying to create

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another Israel there I really feel like you can't be considered an economist if part of

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the basis of your worldview of economy is first we got to kick out the Jews that kind

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of run like that's not part of the Chicago School of Economics Austrian I'm pretty sure

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it is part of the Austrian School of Economics I don't think Thomas Piketty was adding in

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like oh and by the way the five Jew bankers like I don't think that's on me that guy I

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think he was more just about being a dick and uh Salvucci a fucking I don't know if

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I would call him a neo-nazi necessarily but he's close he has a lot of leanings some sympathies

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and absolutely anti-semitic things that he's brought into the world and that he stands

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for so the idea that Alex is having him on I'm gonna give Alex a little bit of credit

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on this one and that is I don't think he knows because he has I don't think he has any idea

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who this guy is no he I agree earlier in the episode he's like I got this economist from

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Argentina coming on let me find his bio page like I think that during the episode when

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I was when I was saying like he was teasing it a bunch of just saying it was an economist

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I think that's because he didn't remember his name yeah like I don't think he has any

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fucking idea who this guy is and unfortunately because he hasn't done any kind of research

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or anything like that he allows someone who believes in the Andinia plan right to come

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on to his show and probably probably speak in code a bit I think in retrospect Alex would

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call that a happy accident not a mistake on research yeah you know what I'm saying probably

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like hey isn't that a surprise we got an economist that agrees well you know what the problem

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is too there it's kind of demonstrative of how like you can have somebody who is like

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look the protocols the elders of Zion are real it's a fucking real thing the Jews want

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to come in and take over Argentina make another Israel here and you know blah blah blah you

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can have that guy you're gonna have the editor of Willis Carto's anti-semitic publications

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come on the show you can have them all make arguments that are all compatible like yeah

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you can have and that that says something it really does say something that there aren't

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red flags that pop up for Alex that like oh maybe I'm hanging out with bad people yeah

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that's not good no it's not good the show not good is there anywhere where people aren't

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afraid of the Jews coming that's a really frustrating this household that's yeah that's

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a really frustrating thought that you it really does seem like you can't go anywhere without

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somebody eventually being like the Jews are trying to take over you're like well there's

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a lot of places that historically have been under the sway of a lot of that propaganda

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you know a lot of places in the the former Soviet bloc certainly have a lot of that in

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there and their history there's a and well they started it yeah you know there's there's

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some South American influence of Nazis and shit so like that makes sense that it would

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be there there's plenty of countries that I'm sure have much less historical tendrils

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of anti-semitism and I'm like I don't know I would hope Australia is a little bit less

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no absolutely not no no not even close that's a bummer uh-uh it's kind of hoping that maybe

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they they're so far away kind of hoping they missed that one just took a knee I oh boy

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we I think I think everybody in Australia that listens to our show is like dude I wish

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we took a knee on a lot of shit oh yeah and I guess that's sort of revealing that I don't

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know necessarily about Australian anti-semitic stuff who knows anyway Jordan this has been

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our episode this has been April 14th 2009 a little bit of a shorter episode but there

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was a there was it took a lot out of me hearing Jim Tucker there were more n-words on this

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episode despite it being short than many previous episodes that have lasted three to four hours

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so I would say we jam-packed a lot into a very short period of time I would say so um

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so um what do we what uh I don't know I do we have a do we have a web website we do it's

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infowars.wiki it's uh knowledgefight.com indeed it is uh we do we have a twitter page yep

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knowledge underscore fight oh shit what about on facebook yep and we have a group called

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go home and tell your mother you're brilliant okay where could you find us uh on itunes

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there's uh options there in terms of leaving a review subscribe all that good stuff oh

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yeah you can also use a bunch of different apps do you know what I've been using for

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my podcast let me uh let me pull this up I like it it's much like uh adrian salducci

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you don't remember the name of this app it's called overcast I've heard of that I like

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it sure that's not an atmosphere album from the early 2000s oh boy oh boy here we go boo

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to me um so I don't know man I bet Jim Tucker hasn't physically murdered anybody uh he's

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murdered my innocence yeah that's that's not true I don't know man I think he probably

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hasn't killed anybody I got a vibe on him and he just seems like a like a guy who sits

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at a typewriter and had a glass of like a big old glass of whiskey next to him just

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typed out angry screeds yeah that sounds right minorities and Jews right but he still didn't

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kill anybody but one guy technically probably has killed a guy and that guy is Alex Jones

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Andy in Kansas you're on the air thanks for holding hello Alex I'm a first time caller

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I'm a huge fan I love your work I love you