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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

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I love you.

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Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

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Bob Jordan.

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Workable dudes like to sit around, drink novelty beverages,

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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Indeed we are. Dan.

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Hi, Jordan.

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Dan.

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Yes, sir.

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Lionel. Lionel. Lionel. Lionel. Lionel. Lionel. Lionel. Lionel. Lionel. Lionel. Lionel. Lionel.

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Everyone, a lot of positive feedback on the Lionel theme song from last episode.

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It's going to be in my head, too.

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We might have peaked already in 2019 with the...

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With my dying breath after all memories have gone, I will say as my last words.

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Lionel. Lionel. Lionel.

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Did not expect that sort of response from people, but I appreciate it. Everyone loved it.

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You know what amazed me is I hadn't already heard that song, right?

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Yeah.

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It seems like that would have gone viral 20 years ago.

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I don't know.

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Not 20 years ago.

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Not with Lionel behind it.

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Right. No, no. That's what I'm saying. Five years ago, some Twitter somebody would have

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picked up on it and it would have just spread like fire.

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To be fair, I have no evidence it hasn't in some corner of the internet, but who knows?

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Fair point. It has in our corner.

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Yes, certainly. It is now our marching theme, I guess. I don't know. But this is a podcast

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where I know a lot about Alex Jones and his associates theme songs.

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And I only know what you tell me and sing them till I die.

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So Jordan, today we got an interesting episode to go over. We have a modern day adventure

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here. We're going to be going over January 2nd, 2019.

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All right. It's time for the secret of 2019.

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I believe Alex does tell a secret at the end of this episode that might plague his year.

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But we'll get to that when we get to it. Last we checked in in the present day, we covered

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Christmas Eve. And we found Alex talking shit, saying that he told Roger Stone to get in touch

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with Julian Assange, and then drunkenly throwing a hatchet around his studio.

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Right, right, right. Singing Christmas songs.

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That's the energy he ended 2018 on, kind of. And now we'll see where he's at at the beginning

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of 2019. But before we get to that, I'd like to take a moment to thank some folks who've

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signed up for the show and become policy wonks.

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Hey!

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So first of all, I'd like to say, Matthew, thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Matthew.

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Thank you very much, Matthew.

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Second, I'd like to say thank you to Sven.

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You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Sven.

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Thank you very much, Sven.

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Next, I'd like to say thank you to Paul. You are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Paul.

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Thanks Paul.

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Now, Patrick, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Patrick.

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Thank you very much, Patrick.

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Next, Courtney, thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you, Courtney.

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Thank you very much, Courtney.

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Finally, what's up?

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I was just wondering how many, I kind of want us to suddenly, this entire episode is us

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just catching up with all the wonks.

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We have a backlog and I feel bad, we need to get through some of it and I know everyone's

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itching for the longer drop, I understand it's sort of tradition, but sometimes we need

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to make our way through these people who we appreciate very much, who donate on the standard

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level.

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Of course.

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I'm sorry you don't get to hear Alex say he doesn't want to hate black people.

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I'm sorry we don't get to hear him say that he renounces Jesus Christ.

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Preemptive defensiveness.

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That's the way it goes sometimes.

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So finally, I'd like to say thank you to Anjanette, you are now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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I hope Sven is from Sweden and then we got Sonja and Sven and we can get them together

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and they can-

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Hey now, don't ship our listeners, but listen, I've gotten actually a number of messages

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from other people from Sweden, so I know that even if Sven is an American or from some other

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country, we don't need him to be Swedish to enlarge our Swedish contingency.

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We're big in Sweden.

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I don't know what that means.

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I don't know either.

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To enlarge our Swedish contingency?

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We need to grow our Swedish ranks.

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All right, Sven and Sonja, get on making babies.

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We need to grow our Swedish contingency.

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Hey now, stop it.

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Stop trying to fantasy book the private lives of our listeners.

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All right.

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All right.

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Also, if you are from Sweden, I'd like to know about Swedish fish.

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Are they really Swedish?

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Also-

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You can just Google that.

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I don't want to.

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If you would like to support the show and what we do and become a policy wonk, you can

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go to our website, knowledgefight.com, click that support the show button.

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It's all great.

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Absolutely.

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I don't think that $2 a month or something like that isn't really a big deal, but it

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is.

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Absolutely.

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It feels like not a big deal a lot of the time for people who are the people donating

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that because maybe it's not a big deal for them, but when there are a lot of people come

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together and donate a little bit, it makes a massive difference and we appreciate it

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so much.

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It's huge.

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I can live.

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Of course.

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That's great.

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As we were talking about before the show, you have a introductory entry-level job now

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and you only put in 70 to 80 hours of work.

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Yeah, the hours are still a bit of a mess, but we're close to a basic entry-level salary.

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That's kind of nice and it's mind blowing and I appreciate it.

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Thank you all so very much.

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So Jordan, today, this episode is fucked up, goes all over the place, but here is an out

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of context drop from today's show.

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Let's just get down to business.

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We ain't making that money off that heroin.

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What?

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Do you want to?

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I think he does.

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Is that saying we need to get into the Info Wars heroin game?

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We need to start selling H. Yeah, Alex is in there.

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That would be a harsh turn for his pill business to take.

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Not too dissimilar probably.

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So today is, like I said, January 2nd, 2009.

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That's the Wednesday episode.

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2019.

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Oh, sorry.

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I keep writing our investigation.

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I keep writing 2009 on my jokes.

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I am close to that just because of how much time I spent listening to his shit from 2009.

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But I listened to the first because I thought, like, let's get this real New Year's energy

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going.

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For sure.

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And it is a boring, bullshit deconstruction of how afraid he is of China and of the 5G

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wireless technology.

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He just did an episode where I went line by line taking apart his ideas about the FEMA

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camps.

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I'm like, I want to do that about this 5G stuff.

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But I know he's going to do it again, and we can do it then.

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I'm too tired.

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We got time.

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I don't want to exhaust the listeners too.

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So I checked in on the second, and I found a more interesting Alex, who's jumping all

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over the place, hitting a lot of topics.

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And here's where we're going to start.

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And it's about how Muslims are out of control.

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My friends, it is January 2nd, 2019.

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2019.

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I'm your host, Alex Jones, we'll be here for the next four hours.

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Paul Joseph Watson with big breaking news joins us at the bottom of the hour.

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Massive Islamic stabbings, shootings, bombings, firework attacks, rapes all over Europe, celebrating

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the new year by burning down hundreds of cars per city.

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It has been quite the Islamic uprising that is just done as an exercise of dominance over

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the slaves.

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And so that is going to be coming up.

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The slaves in this, if you're missing out on the context, the slaves are white people.

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If you're missing the message he's trying to send, the slaves are the whites, the patriots,

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the nationalists, the people of the West.

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So this is crazy.

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And I already really need to tell him to hold the brakes for a little bit.

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Because Alex is starting the year claiming that Muslims are terrorizing everyone.

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There's a few things that he's intentionally forgetting to cover, whether it's in his introduction

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or for the rest of the show.

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The rise of white nationalist violence?

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Well, for one, in Germany, a 50-year-old man was arrested after he drove his car through

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a group of immigrants shortly after midnight on New Year's.

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In what is strongly suspected to be a far-right anti-immigrant attack.

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Included in the list of those injured by his attack were a 4-year-old boy and a 10-year-old

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girl.

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Though the man was of Turkish descent, he was a German citizen, and he was quoted as

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making several racist comments while being arrested.

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From an article in The Independent, quote, the man had a clear intention to kill foreigners,

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Interior Minister for the state North Rhine-Westphalia Herbert Ruel told German press agency DPA.

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That was a clear act of racism and xenophobia.

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But there was another car attack on New Year's Eve.

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This one in Tokyo, 21-year-old Katsuhiro Kasakabe drove his car through the narrow street leading

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to, I fucking forgot to write down the name of the shrine.

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It's one of those really important shrines in Tokyo.

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There are a lot.

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Yeah.

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He injured nine people.

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This was an act of terrorism, but it wasn't Muslim, so Alex is not too concerned about

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it.

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Kusakabe declared that he had committed this act to protest the death penalty, and he refused

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to even defend his actions.

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Essentially admitting that he knew he had done something horribly wrong in the name

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of protesting something he thought was way worse.

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That's kind of interesting.

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It's a little bit interesting.

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I mean, it's kind of ironic.

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It merits covering, at the very least, when you're going to go on this long jag about

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car attacks and Muslims stabbing people and stuff like that, that seems like this might

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be something relevant to fold into the conversation, whether it be this German guy who went on

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an attack specifically trying to kill immigrants, or if it's this guy who's protesting the death

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penalty in Japan.

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Except the problem is that he wasn't a political terrorist protesting the death penalty in

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general.

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He was protesting the death penalty as it was specifically applied to members of the

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Aom cult, who were executed in July for their actions on March 20th, 1995.

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They were a doomsday cult who believed that they were the only people who were going to

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survive an impending global war, and they were going to build a utopia called Shambhala

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after everybody else was killed by each other.

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But they weren't this kind of like let's wait and let the war happen kind of cult.

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They were a let's also go kill people and see if we can help this war start kind of

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cult.

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In 1990, they fielded a number of candidates for office, but lost, which led them to blame

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a conspiracy by the Freemasons and Jews for their failure.

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In response, they began trying to harvest botulism toxin in order to prepare a chemical

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attack, which they intended to unleash on U.S. army bases in Japan to trigger a war

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between Japan and the United States.

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This was unsuccessful because they did a really shitty job of harvesting the botulism.

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Their leader, Shoku Asahara, was in a state of deterioration at this point.

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He began to make his doomsday prophecies more specific, and he published a book called Declaring

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Myself the Christ.

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Interestingly, he began to outline who exactly the enemy was, and though he'd previously

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listed Freemasons and Jews, now he was warning of a conspiracy between those groups and the

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Dutch and British royal families, which sounds weirdly familiar to me.

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I don't know why.

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I can't.

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I can't think of why, but it seems I feel like we've touched on this at least once,

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maybe once.

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I know this is this is I this is a racist thought that I'm having.

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I feel like you can't be anti-Semitic if you're Japanese.

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I feel like that's not allowed.

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I feel like you are you're on the wrong side of this.

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I don't I don't like that thought.

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I know.

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It's a weirdly racist thought.

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They attempted a number of chemical and biological attacks in the intervening years, two of which

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were with anthrax.

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Luckily, the strains of anthrax they acquired were not ones that hurt people, so it was

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more or less the equivalent of stink bombs.

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They were responsible for at least 10 confirmed chemical weapons attacks between late 1993

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and May 1995, but the one that got them in the most trouble was the one on March 20th,

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1995.

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At the peak of morning rush hour, five members of the cult released sarin gas in the Tokyo

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subways, killing 12 people and severely severely injuring 50 more, some of whom died later

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due to complications from the attack.

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Surveys of the survivors found that many of them still suffer from PTSD and 20 percent

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feel unsafe on public transit.

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Forty seven survivors have been certified as disabled due to the attack.

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The reason I lay all this out is because there's a bigger world out there that Alex wants no

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part in touching.

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The attack in Germany was clearly an anti-immigrant attack that falls directly in line with Alex's

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rhetoric.

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The attack in Japan was carried out by a young man who's protesting the death sentences of

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members of a doomsday cult that carried many of the same beliefs and enemies as Alex does.

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He can't wrestle with these ideas without pointing out substantial problems with his

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own message and how he chooses to deliver it.

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So instead, he aggressively stirs up hatred and fear of the vague Muslim attacks he sees

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happening everywhere.

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Yeah.

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It's very sad.

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That is fascinating, though.

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And I realize I'm way wrong because in the 60s, Yukio Mishima, the incredible novelist,

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he led a cult to the prime minister's house, broke in with samurai swords and tried to

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install the emperor back as supreme leader in order to get rid of all of the foreigners

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who would ever come to Japan.

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So, yeah, fair enough.

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This is kind of a later version of that.

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Which I guess to some extent, yeah.

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So, I mean, my point here is that Alex is going to spend a good amount of time trying

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to stir up fear about Muslims throwing fireworks and stuff like that, when in reality, on New

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Year's Eve, we have a lot more to talk about if you want to look at, like, other events

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that have happened around the world that maybe are as important, more important, I don't

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know.

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I'm just saying, you're not looking at the big picture, Alex.

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You're looking at your narrative.

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Your editorial position is anti-Muslim, and therefore, the only stories that you see fit

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to cover are these ones that you can integrate into that editorial position.

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And I think it's lame.

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And when I first heard that, I was like, well, at least I'll get to, you know, learn a little

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bit more about this Japanese car attack and tell people about it.

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But at the same time, I was like, this is probably going to be a pretty disappointing

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episode.

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I was like, I kind of see where we're going.

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And he didn't disappoint as he starts to talk a little bit more about events in the New

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Year.

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We also have the good news.

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We have the new Brazilian president finally being sworn in, already making good on many

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of his promises out of the gates, linking up with Trump and Putin and others that they

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will not allow in public schools, the pedophile agenda of sexualizing children that they're

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putting in place their own Second Amendment and doing a lot of other really exciting things

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like pulling out of the global carbon tax.

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Whoopty shit.

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The idea of like the getting their own Second Amendment and stuff like that, that's just

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concessions to arms industries and stuff like that.

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So I mean, that part...

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Ones that are not centered in Brazil, to be very clear.

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No, but do have links to Bolsonaro.

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Exactly.

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So if I played Alex's game, I might just refer to someone to this NBC News headline, quote,

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Brazil's Bolsonaro targets minorities on first day in office.

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But even that isn't enough to tell the full story.

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Jair Bolsonaro is a bit of a fascist monster.

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No.

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And as he took office, he showed that to the world and anyone paying attention should be

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incredibly worried.

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Because Bolsonaro is very close with the oligarchs in the agribusiness world who are strongly

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against the idea of protecting land for indigenous populations, he transferred the responsibilities

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involving delineating what lands are protected from the justice ministry to the agriculture

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ministry headed by someone who has a clear track record of opposing native communities

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arguments on the subject.

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Instead of, you know, protecting these places, Bolsonaro is moving forward with a program

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that is in the interest of enriching the agribusiness people while forcefully integrating the indigenous

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Quilombolas and the native Brazilians into his version of a Brazilian society, in quotes.

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If this were being done to, I don't know, the Amish, Alex would absolutely flip out.

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And I don't need to just predict that he would.

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I've heard him constantly go on about how FDA regulations on Amish sold cheese are an

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attack on their sovereignty.

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This is also a direct, you know, all this stuff is also a direct attack on environmentalism.

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But regardless of who's getting hurt, it's being done to help big business and will likely

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lead to the genocide of uncontacted tribes in the Amazon.

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Yeah.

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Isn't that so many of them are literally uncontacted.

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They're a bunch.

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We're not supposed to like we have a rule of like, don't fuck with these people like

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the one asshole who got shot with arrows, like I'm not going to say murdered like fuck

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you.

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Like that's on you.

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That's a stand your ground situation as the right would like to call it right.

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But like even beyond all that, Bolsonaro also removed the LGBT community from the list of

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concerns and responsibilities of the Human Rights Ministry, a sign of really bad things

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to come.

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The new Human Rights Minister is an evangelical preacher named Damaris Alves, who believes,

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quote, the Brazilian family is being threatened by diversity policies.

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Oh, my fucking God, I hate these people.

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Crackdowns on journalists are happening.

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And there's so much more here that is critically dangerous.

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We're going to watch the human rights disaster play out right in front of our eyes.

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And Alex is going to delight in it because behind the human suffering and terror, the

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stock market went up in Brazil when Bolsonaro came in.

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The wildly popular opponent Bolsonaro had jailed was a socialist.

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Jared Bolsonaro and Trump seem like friends.

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Yeah.

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And those three things are really all Alex needs in order to be like this guy's great

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because Alex, much like Jared Bolsonaro, is a monster.

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These people are terrible people.

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This is a really, really, really important track for Brazil to take, because just, just

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what four years ago, the right wing installed to mayor who was a right wing lunatic who

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is barred from fucking running for the office that he was given the Supreme Court justice.

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The Supreme Court that they have in Brazil is insanely hard, right?

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And after all of that, they elected a fucking out and out fascist.

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This took four years.

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So in case anybody was worried that America is never going to descend into fascism, let's

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let's hold a pump the brakes there.

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All of this supported by the oligarchs who control most of the fucking media.

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So they make no mistake, but supported by us.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Like there's U.S. backing involved too.

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And like, it's just all a, it's all a complete mess.

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Like it is indicative of, of like, you know, things you need to look out for, things to

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keep an eye on because it's going to get worse and there's going to be humanitarian organizations

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that need support in order to mitigate the damage that's going to be caused to these

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communities, whether it be the LGBT folk in Brazil, whether it be these indigenous communities

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that he's seeking to basically destroy by way of claiming that they should integrate

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into society.

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Yep.

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Like all that stuff.

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It's all.

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Well, we've never seen a group of people claim that natives need to assimilate into society,

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leading ultimately to a massive genocide of them.

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No.

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That's crazy, Dan.

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We don't have tons of case studies.

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Where would we have interest?

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Fuck!

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Yeah.

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So Alex is not off to a great start.

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I feel like he's revealing himself to not be a good analyst of the news.

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Not a good compiler of the news.

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Just pretty bad at this.

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Just a fascist.

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And now in this next clip, he has some complaints about South Park, I think, and then he teases

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some big news.

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South Park's some pretty good comedy when they get down to BRAC's tax and they would

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tackle anything.

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You know, they weren't scared of the Scientologists, you name it.

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But boy, have they been doing stuff on the modern political correctness?

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A little bit.

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But I think they had multiple seasons dedicated to it.

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Yes, entirely.

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But they really should be tackling it more.

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But there's all of this intimidation.

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Now when we come back, I've got something really big.

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Something really, really big that I'm going to tell you about.

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Oh, and it's ominous.

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Storm clouds.

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We'll break it down when we come back in just 60 seconds.

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I'm Alex Jones, newswars.com.

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Tomorrow's news today.

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So that is ominous as hell.

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Yeah, that's very ominous.

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And I'm going to be a little bit like Alex and say I'm not going to tell you at all what

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he's talking about.

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But I will say this.

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He used the term Storm intentionally because this is trying to appeal to QAnon folks.

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Oh.

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Secondly.

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I thought it was to appeal to Godspeed You Black Emperor fans.

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No.

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Nor X-Men fans.

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No.

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Okay.

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Fair enough.

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This is going to culminate in Alex saying something that I do believe could have legal

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consequences.

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I think that he might be...

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This is on par with him telling on air that he told Roger to contact Assange.

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This is like, Alex is getting real sloppy.

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Some of the stuff he ends up saying about this big story that he's got, I'm like, oh

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no, Alex.

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Oh no.

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I think he kind of wants to go to jail at this point though, right?

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I don't know.

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He wants to go to jail or he wants to die because where he's at right now, all he's

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got left is martyrdom.

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I think he wants to get tried for something and win on free speech grounds or something

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like that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He wants to insinuate himself deeply enough into something that's a huge crime, but fall

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back on like, I was just saying things, I wasn't involved in it or something like that.

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I think he wants to do that so he can get caught up in the courts and have his opportunity

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to grandstand and stuff like that because he knows the track he's on now leads to diminishing

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returns and his show just falling apart.

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I don't know though.

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He's going to go broke.

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I don't know though.

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He knows that he really thinks... I'm not going to give too much away, but I think that

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what he's saying at the end of the show, he might actually believe is true.

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Oh.

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It's not.

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That's not good.

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It's not, but he might actually believe the stuff he's saying.

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We can't get too into this without the actual content, so we'll get back to this in a minute,

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but just hold those thoughts in your head.

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So around Christmas time, Donald Trump made his first visit to the troops, if you'll recall.

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Oh yeah.

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Oh God.

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He just visited the troops in Iraq without telling anybody in Iraq.

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For security concerns or something.

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You can't just... No, that's bad.

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That's bad.

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You don't like it when people just don't call and show up at your house, that kind of thing?

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I don't like that, especially not if they're a president and I am a sovereign country.

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It's weird.

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There should be some diplomacy there.

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Otherwise it's essentially saying, we own your country.

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A little bit.

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But that's not the concern that Alex wants to push back on, because I think there are

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a number of stories in the media about another problem with Trump's visit, and we'll get

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to those after Alex misunderstands those criticisms.

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It is mind blowing when I look at CNN or MSNBC or read the New York Times or any of it, that

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it's total inversion of reality.

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And so often, I don't even respond to it on air anymore, because it's so brazen, it's

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so ridiculous, it's so insane.

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We all remember, and you can pull up the photos of Obama going into war zones, and some of

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the troops coming up and wanting him to sign his autograph.

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But the left spotted it like it violated military code and they were all going to go to jail

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and people tried to find who the soldiers were and indeed get them in trouble.

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I call it the chicken SH you know what T dimension.

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That's a term I've coined.

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How do you get so low that you're trying to figure out the names of Marines and Army soldiers?

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Kind of sounds like stuff you and your guys do all the time.

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But we have a way with words, the chicken SH you know T dimension.

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I mean, even if you say chicken shit dimension, that's still not a-

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It still doesn't make any sense.

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It's not a great gift of gab type.

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I came up with that, fucking I'm Gore Vidal in this bitch, or something like that.

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Do we all live in the chicken SH dimension?

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You and I certainly do, according to Alex, yes, absolutely.

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I'm glad they moved on from cuck, that's nice.

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It's good to know that they're going through the dictionary of C words to try and be dicks

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about.

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I think they just realized we have too much fun saying it and a lot of people on the left

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kind of enjoy it.

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It is kind of fun.

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So it's soy boy didn't quite work out either so-

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Why, because it's terrible?

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Chicken SH dimension.

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How's chicken SH dimension going to go?

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So far hasn't taken off.

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It hasn't taken off?

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It's not viral?

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No, the concern here is specifically that when Trump went over and visited these troops

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in Iraq, his people put out pictures and video of him taking pictures with soldiers and that

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sort of thing.

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And some of the soldiers who were captured in those pictures were members of SEAL teams

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that you aren't supposed to know where they are.

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No, come on, you know where they are, they're with the president.

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Well-

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They're always with the president.

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They're always with the president.

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You're not supposed to know they're in Iraq.

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Oh, that's probably bad, isn't it?

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Their deployment is very secret in terms of where they are because they're very specialized

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teams and that sort of thing.

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So the issue isn't so much with like he put out pictures of himself with troops or no

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one really cares about that.

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In the past, presidents would have listened to their advisors and been careful enough

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not to be on camera or if you are, keep it private.

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Keep it a private picture for that soldiers and like that.

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Don't release pictures of people who are in secret teams that then give people awareness

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of their whereabouts.

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Bullshit.

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You remember whenever Obama leaked that picture with him and Hillary Clinton and they were

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in the situation room watching SEAL team six kill Osama bin Laden?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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They just revealed where SEAL team six was, buddy.

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In the situation room?

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Yes, you got it.

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That one picture shows you that it was SEAL team six.

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Remember that time Obama put out that video of him and Hillary peeing on Benghazi?

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I don't know.

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I remember him releasing that video of him peeing on the wailing wall.

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I don't know.

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That did not go over well.

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This is all just, just shit.

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Alex is intentionally misunderstanding why people were concerned about this and I don't,

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I don't know.

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I'm not a military guy, so I don't really fully understand how big of an infraction

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this is.

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Because I read stuff on it enough to know that like it is, this is a breach of protocol

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for sure.

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For sure.

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But I don't understand why the people there didn't stop him, you know, like, or I don't

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know.

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I don't know who's to blame, but someone's to blame.

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I don't, in terms of things about Trump, I don't really care about this one particularly

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in terms, and not because I don't think it could be severe, but because I don't fully

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understand it.

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If I fully understood it, then I could talk about it more.

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I just err on the side of defaulting to people who know what they're talking about.

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Right.

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Well, the simpler one is the first thing he started with, with a lot of people, a lot

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of soldiers were clamoring for Obama's autograph.

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Totally fine.

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However, campaign materials, not good.

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Oh, that, yeah, that is, that is a bad thing, right?

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That's against the rules.

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It was gauche though of Obama to bring like Wheaties boxes with himself on them to autograph.

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That's a little bit tacky.

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He did have his rookie cards, like fake rookie cards for him to sign.

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Come on, man.

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You didn't play pro ball.

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Come on.

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That first coin?

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Bullshit.

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So, you know, that's not great, but it's just Alex misrepresenting stuff.

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You know, it's, it's still kind of like, we're getting into the show.

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He's still not coming with, with too much behind him.

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And I don't want to denigrate the fantastic soldier, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

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go fuck off.

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I just wonder, Dan, those soldiers, were they more excited to get a picture with Trump or

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with Obama?

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I don't really care.

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That's a zero to me.

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I understand what you're saying, but I don't really care.

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It's too much parsing, you know, like it's just, and like there, there, there's too many

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superfluous issues because you could, you could go, not saying you, but why don't you

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go down the road of like, well, who cares about protecting these people?

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Who's like, oh, sure, it's a specialized job, but it's to kill people or something like

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that.

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And like, yeah, but I just don't care.

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That's not, I can't have that conversation.

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My point is that it's really important that everybody be aware, and even the FBI released

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a report on this, a large amount of military and police personnel are white nationalists

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out and out.

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There is an overlap.

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There's a big overlap.

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That is true.

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So, speaking of the military, which Alex was, and we have since, in the, he gets into complaining

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about Mitt Romney.

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Cause-

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I'm fine with that.

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Yeah.

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Go for it.

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Let him fight.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You guys have fun.

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Mitt Romney had some words about Trump withdrawing from Afghanistan.

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And Alex-

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Lazy, shitty, ineffectual, stupid words to make him look like he's a valuable critic

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of the president while at the same time supporting literally every fucking thing he does.

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Mitt Romney, you can go put your own fucking face on top of that shitty car instead of

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your dog.

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Let him drive it, you fucking garbage human being.

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Yes.

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Ineffectual criticism.

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But Alex still is triggered by it because daddy Trump is being criticized.

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Of course.

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And so he gets into talking about Afghanistan a little bit.

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And I think that he says some things that I take some strong issues with.

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Okay.

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He is already taking out up to $44 billion a year, $44 billion a year, you look it up,

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of resources out of Afghanistan.

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Guess how much lithium for batteries, guess how much cadmium, guess how much of these

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hundreds of rare earth minerals that China controls 98% of globally because we don't

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enter that market.

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So we basically stabilize the railways and stabilize the highways and stabilize it for

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the chai comms, just like we always do.

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That's globalism.

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And Trump knows that the minute we pull out of there, the Taliban and Al Qaeda are going

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to start blowing the Chinese bases up.

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They already are.

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And that'll be their own problem.

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Chinese bases.

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But instead we guard Afghanistan for the chai comms.

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That is weird.

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That is a wild thing to say.

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That is very weird because I've heard him make a lot of criticisms of the chai comms

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and our various wars.

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I don't think I've heard him specifically be like, we should get out of there because

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then the Taliban and Al Qaeda are going to blow up Chinese stuff.

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We're just there protecting the Chinese mineral interests or something like that.

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I don't think I've ever heard him say stuff like that before.

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I don't think I've heard anybody say stuff like that before, which is profoundly weird.

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Also, I believe that the number is closer to 95 percent of the world's rare earth minerals

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are not controlled by China necessarily, but extracted by China.

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They have a near monopoly on the industries that are capable of extracting rare earth

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minerals.

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I did not know that.

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In terms of their own, like what's in China and what they have control of, it's a much

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lower number than that.

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It's a fine distinction.

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But yes, if they were to just stop, the world would have a problem.

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They would be bummed out.

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Yes, it would be a problem.

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But also in terms of Afghanistan, it's never been a secret that Afghanistan is very mineral

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rich.

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Fifty year old Soviet documents lay out gold and copper deposits.

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And in 2010, a more formal survey found that all things considered, there's likely a trillion

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dollars worth of mineral resources in Afghanistan.

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By 2014, Afghanistan had signed a 30 year, $3 billion contract with the Chinese state

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owned mining company for their giant copper deposit that they have.

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But it also awarded mining rights to their biggest iron deposits to Indian companies.

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I can find no evidence of Alex's $44 billion a year number.

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And honestly, considering that $1 trillion, that figure, that's not an annual figure.

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And the fact that China isn't the only country in play when it comes to strip mining Afghanistan,

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I find it very unlikely that that number is accurate.

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I just can't believe that that's true.

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That being said, what's behind this shitty commentary is actually a very important geopolitical

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question, which is what is the right thing to do in terms of Afghanistan?

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Obviously, as it stands now, since we can't rewrite the past, do nothing is a very bad

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answer.

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Because what would happen is most likely that the terrorists wouldn't just start working

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to impede China's mining operation.

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That's an absurd idea.

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The kind suggests that Alex thinks that the terrorists are on his side, which is hard

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to square with his constant rhetoric about how Obama and Hillary created all these terrorist

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groups, and they just do their bidding.

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I thought Hillary and Obama were in bed with China, so why would their terrorist armies

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attack Chinese interests if we withdrew from the country?

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It's all globalism up top for him.

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The whole...

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It doesn't make sense.

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The whole terrorists being created by...

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That's in the past, Dan.

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We don't need to worry about that.

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I can change my position now because Obama and Hillary aren't there.

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And also, you don't fucking remember whenever I said it was their fault.

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He says that they're their proxy armies and shit like that.

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Yeah, but that was a while back.

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You can't expect him to...

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That was a week ago.

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Yeah, but that's a long time ago for him.

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It's crazy because if his worldview is to be consistent, then up top is the globalists

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and they're controlling the Chicoms and Hillary and Obama and all these neo-cons and what

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have you who are controlling, puppet mastering these terrorist groups.

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So why would they have their tendrils attack each other?

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It makes no sense, especially when the goal seems to be extracting minerals and making

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money off it.

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You would understand if they fought against each other for the appearance of something,

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but when it detracts from what is ostensibly the main goal, your conspiracy no longer makes

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sense.

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Okay.

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So if I understand correctly, here's what his worldview says is going on that he does

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not see as contradicting itself.

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The globalists control both the Chicoms and through Obama and Hillary, the terrorists.

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Well, maybe not just Obama and Hillary, but yes.

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Yes.

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All right.

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So Trump pulls out of Afghanistan, assuming that the terrorists will attack the Chicoms,

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even though the terrorists are controlled by the globalists by a proxy and the Chicoms

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are controlled by the globalists entirely and the goal would be...

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I don't know.

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Oh, okay.

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Well, apparently the most likely outcome if we were to withdraw and everything is not

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so much that these terrorist groups would then get China out of town or whatever, but

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there is a decent chance that what they would do is start to take over some of these very

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lucrative mineral businesses.

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If they were to be able to get footholds into industries or parts of the government, that

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sort of thing in a very corrupt system, they could end up enriching their terrorist organizations

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much more and thereby become a huge threat to their neighbors.

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That's the realistic outcome, unfortunately, of us withdrawing.

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Now, granted, there were better plans that could have been put in place to begin with.

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No.

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Like what?

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There's a number of them.

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Yeah.

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But what would make more sense for them is not to destroy the strip mining operations

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because they don't know...

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Take them over.

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They don't know how to strip mine.

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Right.

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They don't even have engineers.

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No.

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Engineers don't usually become terrorists.

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It would be continue trying to take over power and then take over the contracts with the

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Chinese operations.

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Exactly.

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And then you make money.

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China has a very specifically like a non-moral foreign policy in terms of like especially

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economic things.

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They have a non-moral policy across the board.

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Right.

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But they are totally fine doing business with regimes that are perhaps against even their

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morals.

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They're not the morals of the world because there's...

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Money's money, baby.

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Sure.

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But what China's doing and what they've been doing is employing a strategy of soft power

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in Afghanistan.

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They forgave the country's debts in 2004 and they're constantly working to ensure a relationship

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of friendship and cooperation.

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Many experts have noted that their strategy includes a belief that should the country

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be lifted out of abject poverty, many of the problems that precipitate terrorism would

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cease to exist.

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Whether or not their intention...

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Whether or not their intentions are pure is a separate question.

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But I think it's safe to say that bombing people indiscriminately and killing civilians

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isn't a great approach and it's the one that we've been using for a really long time.

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Of course, you have to worry about China's shitty human rights record and their oppressive

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government.

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But in terms of what they've done in Afghanistan vis-a-vis investing in the natural resources

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there, it doesn't appear to be an evil plan.

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It seems like a better strategy because they aren't...

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I mean, I'm sure there's some exploitation involved.

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Don't get me wrong.

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Oh, of course.

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But what they're doing isn't necessarily stealing all of this stuff.

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There's a mutual...

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They're paying for it.

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Yeah.

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There are contracts and stuff that they're putting in place where they're paying to take

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copper from the country, which in a non-corrupt system that worked well, what you would have

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is these businesses come in from out of the country, have arrangements.

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And based on the resources that are available in Afghanistan, they could end up becoming

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a very viable country.

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Absolutely.

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It could be a very stable, affluent country, quite frankly, based on what is there.

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But because of the sort of political situation and what has been done to it since time immemorial,

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it's not.

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Okay.

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Because on the one hand, we have America that has since 2003 killed millions upon millions

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of non-combatants.

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Well, not millions upon millions, but yeah, it's up there.

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And not even that, but you include sanctions, you include droughts, you include all of the

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damage that they've done to the economy in general, right?

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And then you have China that was like, you guys have a lot of valuable stuff.

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What if we paid you for it?

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And then when your people aren't pissed off and getting murdered all the time, you'll

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eventually have a thriving economy, then you'll recognize that we were part of the partners

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from the very beginning.

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And we forgave your debt in 2004 and all this stuff.

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Yeah.

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Which one would you team up with, Dan?

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I think that's a sounder strategy.

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Now, none of this is to say that I even fully understand all of China's operations.

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I could be talking out of my ass.

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I have no idea.

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But just the broad picture of this is it seems like what we have here is basically that.

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And the other thing to be concerned about too is if you believe that China is some sort

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of a evil, stealing all your stuff, Mr. Steal Your Stuff kind of operation, and they have

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all these like $44 billion that they're making a year in Afghanistan.

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If we pull out and the terrorists start attacking their interests, do you think they're just

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going to say, whoopsie-daisy, and run back to Beijing?

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They're not.

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Like, if that is what Alex believes is the case, then us withdrawing will only lead to

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China getting militarily involved in Afghanistan and probably killing tons and tons of people.

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That doesn't make sense.

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It doesn't.

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But I'm saying that if that's what Alex believes, that would probably be the natural.

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Because the other idea is give up this $44 billion a year they're making.

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Well, I mean, but at the same time, China doesn't have a history of invading countries.

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And the only one right now that they're super interested in is Tibet and making sure that

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everybody in Tibet knows that they're fucking Chinese and you better shut the goddamn hell

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up.

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And there's other issues for why that is such a priority for them.

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They don't have a long history of, and China, I would assume, and I would hope, and I would

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think that by now, by now, the global community would recognize that going to war in Afghanistan

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is a bad idea.

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We've got four different examples of people going to war and not winning and only making

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things fucking worse.

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It's true.

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It's true.

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But I'm not saying that that is an outcome that's likely, but it's sort of implied by

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Alex's world if you want it.

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It wouldn't happen no matter what.

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No.

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Yeah.

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But the reality on the ground is what it is.

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And Alex kind of just seems like he's talking shit, quite frankly.

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He's talking shit.

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I don't know.

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So anyway, we get to Alex teasing the big news.

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And even in this tease, I think Alex is stepping in a big old pile of shit.

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Now when we come back, the big news, I'm going to do a bottom of the hour and Paul Watson

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joins.

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Then I'm going to cover for about a half hour at the start of the next hour.

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Not quite.

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This is the big enchilada.

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There's more than one way to classify information and more than one way to declassify it.

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And as I predicted, you're going to start seeing very skilled hackers who already have

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the information, but they're going to parallel construct, release all the 9-11 poop on the

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Clintons because they're involved too, and the Bushes.

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So.

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Sure.

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You want to rock and roll, baby?

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You're going to rock and roll.

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The hackers have 18,000 pages of the stand down of 9-11.

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It's up on info wars.com and it's all about to be coming out.

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Let's stop right there.

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Guess what?

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The entire New York crime syndicate bipartisanly was involved in this.

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Trump wasn't involved.

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That's why the week it happened, he said there were bombs in the buildings and there should

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be an investigation.

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Remember that called covering your bases.

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And that's a few of the little tricks.

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That's why Trump said, strap yourselves in, it's going to be a wild ride.

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That strap yourself in, it's going to be a wild ride is sort of in sort of hand in hand

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with Trump when he had that meeting with the generals who said this is the calm before

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the storm, which sort of kicked off in earnest the big QAnon, the storm meme online and all

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that nonsense.

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OK, OK.

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So Alex is hearkening to that because he wants to reclaim QAnon.

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He wants to take over that space, much like he tried to do with Zach.

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But now he's doing it in a way of like, now I know this story is going to break what the

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real shit is.

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OK, so it's QAnon that are his, quote, hackers.

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And they are the ones releasing 18,000.

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No, not so much.

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It's a little bit bigger than that in terms of like.

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So there is a story that's come out about these hackers and we'll get into it more when

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Alex starts to talk about it.

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But there's these hackers who have said they have 18,000 pages of stuff that they hacked

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about the 9-11 insurance policies and legal cases that have come out of the insurance

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claims about 9-11.

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And they are implying that it's going to prove that 9-11 was planned.

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It was all an inside job.

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And Alex is running with that.

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And there's some reasons he shouldn't run with that.

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But then secondly, in that clip, I think it makes perfectly clear that he's implying he

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has advanced knowledge of what's in those hacked documents, which no one should have

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because they're encrypted.

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There have been decryption keys that have been released for a couple of the documents

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in order to show like, we have something right.

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But I assume the hackers got them legally, right?

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No.

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But Alex also should have no information.

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And the fact that he's implying that he does is either an indication of being in touch

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with people who are committing crimes or him just lying.

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One of the two.

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So we can say it's one of the two.

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I'm leaning towards lying right now.

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Your Cheshire Cat grin, however, suggests that you have some kind of...

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I'm not sure if I do.

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But once I...

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I don't know.

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I can't...

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Even after we get to the end of this, I'm not entirely sure that I can land on one or

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the other.

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I just think that based on his actions later in this episode, it's going to be fucking

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hilarious to see how this plays out.

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Because it hasn't yet.

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As we're recording this, it hasn't yet.

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I don't fucking know what's going to happen.

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They haven't released the documents.

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I believe that there probably aren't that many documents.

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I think it's probably wildly overblown.

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18,000?

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And I have certain reasons to believe that.

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But before we get to that, I just want to say that this is where the episode got interesting

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to me.

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Because like before this, it's kind of like, yeah, all right, this Afghanistan mineral

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stuff is stuff you touch on from time to time.

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It's kind of boring.

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And yeah, we know you're afraid of Muslims.

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If you're afraid of three girls in a pool supply shop, we can just...

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Fireworks are going to terrify you.

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Yeah, we can extrapolate from there.

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And he kind of does that every year these days.

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Around holidays especially, like New Year's Eve or, I don't know, Bastille Day in France,

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you know, just like, oh my God, youths shooting fireworks.

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Yeah, mostly Muslims and they're killing people.

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There's acid and cars and bah.

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Right.

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So that's all kind of boring.

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Like this is the big story, I kind of perked up a little bit and things are going to get

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real interesting.

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But before they do, Alex is mad at Chris Cuomo.

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Maybe not Chris Cuomo, Governor Cuomo, whoever that one is.

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Andy, Andrew Cuomo.

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Andrew Cuomo, that's right.

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Chris Cuomo?

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I don't give a shit.

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He complains about Chris Cuomo all the time too.

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All right, fine.

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I'm fine.

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Mario.

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All Cuomo's are fine.

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A fair game to me.

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Alex is not thrilled with him.

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Yeah.

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So Cuomo gave a speech about, I don't even really know.

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In the clips that Alex played, I don't really understand the full context of it.

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Oh, the speech that Cuomo gave was a weird off, like, I assume he's talking about the

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radio interview.

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No, he's talking about the speech?

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OK.

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I would talk about the radio interview where he seemed to preemptively say like, hey, I

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mean, yeah, we have a far more democratic situation there, but they're not going to

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investigate me.

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And if they do investigate me, they won't.

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Wait, nobody said anybody was investigating you.

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Cuomo.

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That's interesting.

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You should not have.

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That's interesting.

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That's not what Alex talks about.

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OK, of course not.

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Alex is talking about this speech that he gave near Ellis Island where he was talking,

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I think the context that I can glean from it.

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And honestly, if I could do this all over again, I probably would have gone and listened

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to the whole speech.

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So I could get some context.

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Yeah.

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But it's kind of one of those things you just dismiss.

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It seemed to be something about the idea of like Trump's relatives immigrated here and

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now he's the president.

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Some sort of demonstrative thing about like immigration is great.

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Yeah.

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I guess that doesn't make sense.

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I'm not entirely sure, but no matter the case, Alex is going to play a clip of Cuomo's speech

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and then he's Alex says something that is crazy, literally crazy.

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This is the harbor where Frederick Trump arrived from Germany.

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And that's why we're closing it.

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And his grandson would become president of the United States.

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The worst one.

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Governor Andrew Cuomo positioning himself as a.

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Yes.

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And, and, and, and, and Fred Trump's father, Trump's grandfather had to stay three months

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on Ellis Island in quarantine on record.

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On record, you say?

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That's interesting.

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Is that on record, Dan?

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Oh, it's not.

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Oh, wait, wait.

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But I thought it was on record.

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On October 19th, 1885, 16 year old Frederick Trump arrived at Ellis Island.

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The thing is that Ellis Island, as we know it, the thing that we know about the one where

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it was an immigration center run by the federal government, it didn't exist until January

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1st, 1892, a good seven years later.

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What Trump arrived at was known as Castle Garden Immigration Depot, which was run by

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the state of New York.

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The federal government had to take over the operation after a ton of incidents of unnecessary

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deaths, reports of state workers stealing indiscriminately from immigrants, and overall

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just outright corruption was found.

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Gotcha.

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Castle Garden was the first immigration facility in the United States.

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And between 1820 and 1892, an approximated 11 million immigrants arrived and became Americans.

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That's over 152,000 per year or 418 per day.

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The story of Trump being quarantined for three months is categorically not true.

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Immigration records from that time are very precise, so we know exactly when he arrived.

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And Gwenda Blair's 2000 book, The Trumps, Three Generations That Built an Empire, explicitly

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lays out how mere hours after Frederick Trump arrived at Castle Garden, he met a German-speaking

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barber who was looking to hire an assistant and that Frederick began working for him the

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next day and stayed for six years in his employment.

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Wait, so, but then where did he get this three-month bullshit story from?

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He made it up.

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He just made it up?

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He made it up.

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I mean, as we...

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He just flat out made it up?

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In the Ebola episode we went over from 2014, we heard him lie about Ellis Island and the

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idea that, you know, all these people were turned away because of all the sicknesses

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and stuff.

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And we've lost that because we want the sicknesses to come in.

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So this is really just trying to enrich his already existing false narrative of Ellis

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Island being exactly like our immigration.

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What he's doing is he's trying to apologize for detention centers.

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Like he's trying to present this idea of like, you're mad that these kids are being held

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in camps, but in reality, they've been doing that this whole time, when that's not true.

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If you look at the history of Ellis Island, how few people were turned away and how quickly

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people got through and were just, now you're American, you don't have a good case to make.

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We changed your name, but now you're American.

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Sure.

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You don't have a good case to make though.

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If you look at the reality and you try and use that to indicate some sort of like, it's

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always been this way about immigration, you just don't.

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But we're full now.

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But if you create a false reality, you can make that argument.

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And that's what Alex is doing.

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And it serves purposes on a second level because then he turns it into like this Trump, his

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whole lineage has come from that really careful immigration proceedings and stuff like that.

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Like even the guy who's being a monster to Mexican immigrants and South American immigrants

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is like himself the product of the rigorous controls that they had to put in place.

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He's as much a victim as them.

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He's trying to make them stronger, Dan, because they had to go through it and now look, he's

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president.

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So all of you fucking immigrants, you can be president some day.

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If only we quarantine all of these immigrants for three months, there's a chance that their

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offspring will become president.

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That sounds right.

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Certainly.

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I think all of their offspring will become president.

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The point is this story about Frederick Trump is a hundred percent not true.

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It's very clearly on record.

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He got through immigration very quickly and it wasn't Ellis Island, it was Castle Garden

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because Ellis Island as an institution didn't exist at that time, which is a second point

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that I want to make about the idea of why federally run things are often needed because

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state run things often have endemic corruption within them, as evidenced by Castle Gardens

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and the reason why Ellis Island had to be taken over by a federal organization.

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But they elected Andrew Cuomo.

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What are you talking about?

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Corruption exists on the state level, Dan.

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I mean, it's like 160, 70 years later or whatever.

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Point taken.

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What are you talking about?

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Tammany Hall is an issue.

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Point taken.

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What kind of...

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Right.

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So the state federal friction there is just one other point I wanted to highlight.

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But the bigger point is this story about Frederick Trump isn't true.

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And the only place he probably could be getting it from is maybe associates of Trump's or

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something like that who are telling him these tall tales that absolutely don't match history.

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He's just making this stuff up.

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So then this is just fun.

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Three months on quarantine.

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I love how, he's the grandfather came here too and what the hell?

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He was a Nazi, by the way.

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They don't tell you.

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Yeah.

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You get tested for diseases.

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Let's continue.

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So, yeah.

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I mean, even there's that funny voice about Cuomo to try and like, oh, isn't it stupid

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because you got to just go for quarantine for three months.

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You don't talk about that.

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But it's not true.

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So the voice you're doing is better directed at you, Alex.

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Also he doesn't talk about that because it's not true.

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It would be hard for him to...

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It would be hard for him to have talked about a lie that Alex Jones would come up after

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the time of his speech.

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Yeah.

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It's like, I'm sure if he had listened to Alex's talk, he would have added that into

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his speech.

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Well, I also tried to track that down possibly about like trying to find possible sources

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of where that story could have come from.

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Like the idea of Frederick Trump being quarantined and stuff like that.

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Yeah.

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Like I expected maybe to find a blog or something like that, but I can't find any like a backup

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for that.

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Could it be mixing him up with somebody?

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It's impossible.

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I mean, I don't exclude the possibility that someone was held for three months.

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I do think that's why.

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I think the...

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Because he just came up with it so fast, you know?

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Like he just pulled that.

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I think Roger told him or something like that.

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I think if I had to guess.

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But like, sure.

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I imagine that in the course of the years that Alice Island and Castle Garden were open

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and all that stuff, I'm certain that probably there were instances of people who were held

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for a really long time.

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Like that individual does exist.

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Oh, of course.

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But the percentage of the people who were coming in who were held for any amount of

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time is very, very small.

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But yeah, that story probably exists and maybe, I don't know, maybe Roger helped him conflate

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the two.

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But yeah, the bigger issue is just it's not true.

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What even diseases would they test for?

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It's in the 18 fucking 90s.

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What testing procedures do they have?

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They did have some, but a lot of them would have been more diagnostic tests.

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It's not like blood work and stuff that takes months or anything.

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It would be like, like we talked about on the Alice Island episode, that eye condition

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that was indicative of a really contagious thing that was close to chlamydia.

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So there were things that you could do visual tests on, like boils, if you have boils on

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your body.

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No problem.

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I mean, there's that sort of thing.

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That's the testing that they would do.

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You don't need to want for three months, you can just look at them and be like, nope, fucking

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get out.

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And that's why the process was so quick because most of it was like a quick physical thing

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you could do.

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You got legs?

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Get in there.

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Anyway.

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Do you know how to use them?

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I forgot.

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I crawled off this fucking boat.

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So it's all a lot of shit and you know, it's just fun.

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It's nice to see Alex.

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You know why, you know why it's fun for me?

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Because even that, that innocuous lie that Frederick Trump was quarantined for three

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months at Alice Island is in service of white nationalism.

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Like even that, that seems so disconnected from Alex's sort of, like I said, the editorial

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position that he has is one of anti-Islam and therefore all of the stories he wants

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to cover and chooses to cover are these instances of a Muslim running over someone with a car

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as opposed to these other instances of people running over people with a car.

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In the same way, this seems so outside of that editorial position, it just seems like

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Trumpa sycophant nonsense.

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But in reality, it really does undercut a dismissal of the concerns of immigrants who

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Alex classifies as all non-white and therefore a scourge and a menace coming to America.

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It's crazy.

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It's nice of him to exercise restraint on that instead of being like, well, of course

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they let Frederick through.

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He was white.

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But I feel like that's underneath it.

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Yeah, no, absolutely.

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Anyway, in this next clip.

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If instead of none dare call it a conspiracy, Alex had just watched Fievel an American Tale?

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Do you think we would be in an entirely different universe?

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Possibly.

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At the very least, he wouldn't be anti-Semitic or at least anti-mouse.

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I tried to watch that not too long ago.

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It was crazy.

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It was, first of all, absolutely crazy, like just from a content standpoint.

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Yeah, isn't it nuts?

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And then second from like a, like you forget how rudimentary animation used to be.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You see those animations and cartoons from like the, I don't know, forties and fifties.

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Yeah.

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You have that in your head.

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And you have modern, like Toy Story and shit.

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You forget that there's that weird middle ground of like that, like early nineties.

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Oh, do you mean the fucking Golden Age?

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It's pretty good, but it's also like, it's really weird to look at.

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Yeah, I know.

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That was the experience I had.

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I watched Fievel Goes West not too long ago and it's fantastic and also distracting.

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A lot of racial stereotypes flying around.

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Which is really strange considering the first Fievel was essentially about Jews coming to

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America.

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It's a mess.

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And then they move west and they're like, eh, let's be racist all day.

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So let's not go too far down this critiquing of cartoons route.

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Let's get into this next clip where Alex hints at a story that he wants to cover because

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he's not getting to the big news yet.

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Of course not.

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He has another story he wants to talk about and this one really interested me.

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And Merkel says, yes, that's true.

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Last week, we're going to ignore national sovereignty and ignore the voters and have

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an EU army control you.

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And then quietly they arrest 200 officers of the German military because they were planning

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to overthrow Merkel for treason.

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Yeah, the Germans tried to overthrow Hitler too.

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Wish they would have.

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So the clip that he's talking about or the speech that Merkel gave was about the idea

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of like in a larger world, sometimes states have to make, you know, compromises in terms

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of sovereignty that could be described as giving up some of your sovereignty.

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It's not like saying the EU army is going to rule over you or anything like that in

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much the same way as pretty much everything Alex lies about.

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There is like a kernel of truth in it that she was talking about compromises in terms

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of sovereignty.

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We're part of the EU, guys.

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Get used to it.

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But at the same time, she was talking about how the parliament is the most important piece

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of these states and that you retain them and that sort of thing.

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So like his argument falls flat.

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I tried to find this story and I don't know what he's talking about, but I will say, number

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one, no one is interested in overthrowing Angela Merkel.

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She's already announced she's stepping down as chancellor.

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So no one who just doesn't like her is going to waste their resources on a very dangerous

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coup attempt.

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That would be nonsensical.

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Now is a great time.

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Bad time.

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She hasn't stepped down yet.

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I had time to do it.

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You know what?

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Maybe you just wanted to overthrow Merkel and you're like, she's going to leave soon

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so we got to get it in quick.

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Let's play this out.

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OK.

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I'm a group that I'm going to play both parts.

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All right.

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Never mind.

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How about let's you play this out.

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I'm going to be John Leguizamo and do a one man show about this.

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Nice.

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So I'm Angela Merkel and I'm like, hi, I'm the chancellor.

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And this other group is like, we don't want you to be chancellor anymore because you're

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like Hitler.

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We're going to overthrow you because of your statements on sovereignty.

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Oh, a while back, I already said that I'm going to be gone in a bit.

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I'm like, cool, that's how it would go.

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Like if you were a group that wants to overthrow Angela Merkel for the things that she stands

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for and her being in power, then wait it out.

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You got a month.

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It's like no, it's like a movie, Dan.

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You have to get it might leave the theater next week.

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You got to get it in quick.

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But there's a chance it won't work.

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Like if there's a chance you die on the way to the movie, maybe you wait for there's always

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a chance you die on the way to the movie.

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That's a good chance.

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Maybe you get it on Netflix.

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There's a 70, 30 chance you're going to die on the way to any movie.

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So I can't find any indication of what Alex is talking about here.

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I can't find any articles on it on even on Info Wars, his website and any Internet search

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fails to bring up any story that seems like he might be covering.

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There was one story I found that was about 200 German police officers, but it wasn't

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about them getting arrested.

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It was them being involved in a large mafia operation, like them breaking up a mafia ring.

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And so it's like, oh, that's interesting, but it has nothing to do with Merkel.

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And the 200 officers weren't arrested.

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They were the ones doing the arresting.

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But that 200 number was in there.

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So that was one possibility.

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I don't think that's it.

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However, back in October, a group of six men were arrested for forming a far right terror

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cell called Revolution Sheminitz, which aspired to overthrow Angela Merkel.

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But they weren't doing it from like a she's a globalist and traitor position.

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They wanted to install a far right ethno state.

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No.

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The name Revolution Sheminitz is a reference to the city Sheminitz, a city that had been

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the scene of violent protests in the aftermath of a stabbing that was done by a migrant.

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The protests more or less deteriorated into mob violence and Nazi salutes were being thrown

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around very liberally.

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Following these protests, members of Revolution Sheminitz began attacking immigrants with

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glass bottles and stun guns pretty regularly in what prosecutors have described as practice

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runs for their planned larger scale attack to come.

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They planned an attack with assault rifles and high grade weapons for October 3rd, the

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day when Germans celebrate the anniversary of the country's reunification.

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The message could not have been more clear that their primary terrorist motivation was

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to undo that that unification.

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The police had intercepted communications and had been watching the group.

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And when it became clear that this was their plan, they made their move and arrested the

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conspirators before they could murder tons of non-white people in the interest of pushing

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their goals.

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These men weren't anti-globalization.

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They were literally members of the neo-Nazi scene in Germany.

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And it's easy to see where their motivations came from.

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And Alex seems to be defending them here.

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If this is the story he's talking about, it's the only people I can find who are arrested

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for trying to overthrow Angela Merkel in the last year.

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So that's I'm guessing what he's talking about.

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Maybe he misunderstands the story.

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Maybe not.

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I think I kind of think that's I think that's kind of good.

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I think that's a reflection of a good job if only six people have been arrested for

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trying to overthrow.

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I think it was seven.

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But one of them got arrested previous to the sixth stand because he beat up an immigrant

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and then there's like, well, we're going to arrest you individually.

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Yeah, because I think more people were arrested trying to assassinate and overthrow Obama

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in the United States than oh, yeah.

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Go find that list.

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Yeah.

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It's a long list.

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So many people threatened to murder Obama.

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And it's nuts that we don't really hear.

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We never really heard about it all that much, which I think is a sign of decorum.

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Well, that's kind of more because the media was like, well, yeah, I mean, there's a black

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president.

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Of course people are going to do that.

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I don't I don't think that's it.

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I think it was seen as de classé to talk about.

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I think it was seen as like I I would I would guess that Obama wouldn't want to give credence

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to like threats against him.

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And people who were around him probably saw no benefit out of like publicizing them.

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Like what do you do?

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Do you encourage more people to do this?

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Do you incite pity for him?

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What is that?

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There's no there's no positive outcome for it.

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So just don't talk about it.

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Quietly arrest these people, break up plots wherever you can and and just move on.

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Whereas now, anytime there's some sort of a minuscule threat against Trump, you got

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to hear about it.

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Well, I mean, maybe instead what they should have done is installed one of those L.E.D.

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ticker tapes and it just had a constantly updating list of every death threat.

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It's just the names just going alongside there on a constant loop.

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That'd be nice.

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I'm certain that there are probably more people who conspired against Angela Merkel over the

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years.

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But this is the only thing I can come up with that seems to match Alex's story.

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The numbers aren't right, but the themes are there.

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And these are people who are neo-Nazis.

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These are Nazis, man.

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Like straight up.

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They like it.

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Not it's not a stretch to say that they are people who beat up immigrants at the and had

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plans to attack politicians and citizens with assault rifles on the celebration of Reunification

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Day in order to help bring in a white ethno state.

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Yeah, they're even Germans like they got all the trappings of a Nazi Nazi salutes all over

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the place.

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Like that sort of thing that Alex is defending them like.

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It shouldn't surprise me, but somehow it still does.

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Like if that's the story he's talking about, it's still crazy that he's whitewashing that

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because it's so easy to see what the reality is.

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It's just nuts.

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I'm still kind of amazed that anybody becomes a Nazi like I'm still like we're so normalized

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to it now.

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But isn't it kind of weird that people still become Nazis, especially in Germany, like

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to a certain extent when after the the First World War, whenever everybody economically

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destroyed Germany and left everybody so fucked, you know, you're like, well, a nationalist

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far right movement is going to arise when everybody is that fuck.

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Right now, everybody's doing so much better and there are still people trying to be Nazi.

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Well, I think you're looking at the wrong axis, the wrong variable, right?

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Because enough time has passed now and there's generational differences that there's probably

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a lot of people who have been taught that like that doing Nazi salutes and doing any

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kind of thing that's adjacent to Nazism is absolutely forbidden in people who are like,

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you know, there's a certain oppositional defiance necessary to do whatever is the most rebellious

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thing possible.

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Like identifying with Nazis is the thing that their culture deems the most forbidden thing.

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There is good reason to think that a piece of rebellion could be dabbling in Nazi ideas.

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It's not the it's I mean, not to dismiss it or make it okay, but I think it's easier to

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become a Nazi in Germany than it is anywhere else because it is a place where they've dealt

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with that that guilt for as long as they have.

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Yeah, I saw an underground German bondage video that was actually just a guy putting

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on a Nazi uniform.

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So you know, it's taboo.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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I don't know how to talk about it more because I'm not German, but from things I've read,

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it seems like it seems like that sort of thing is in play.

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I don't know.

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I don't know what to tell you.

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I mean, I guess you can anybody can deny the Holocaust anywhere.

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It just seems strange to deny the Holocaust and say that that's like Nazis weren't bad,

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but at the same time actively try and kill people who are Jewish or aren't you aren't

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yeah.

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Aren't you kind of just aren't you the very proof that the Holocaust did happen?

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I mean, maybe.

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I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't have a lot of blind spots.

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That's how we submit.

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I honestly don't know how to like end that sort of line of thinking other than that.

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Like, yeah, probably.

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Yeah.

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Probably they should see that.

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But yeah, it seems obvious like, hey, you guys, there's six of you.

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You're trying to kill immigrants and non, you know, politicians in order to help put

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in your idea of a state that kills immigrants or excludes immigrants.

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So that kind of would lead to a Holocaust, considering, imagine, hey, six guys, imagine

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the entire country wanted to kill immigrants and Jews, you might wind up with a Holocaust.

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So maybe you're maybe the Holocaust did happen.

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Maybe.

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I don't know.

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Anyway, they have their position on immigrants.

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They have their position on minorities, all that stuff.

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Alex has his and in this next clip, he starts screaming about how the Muslims are winning.

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Oh, boy.

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Sadiq Khan said two years ago when he first got elected the Islamic mayor of London, he

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said, just get used to it.

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It's normal.

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And you know what?

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It is.

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I can't keep track of the bus attacks, the car attacks, the knife attacks, the rape attacks,

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the firework attacks.

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You don't want to keep track of them because you don't want to do any work, because if

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you do, you have to then get into the ones that aren't Islam related or immigrant related

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or anything like that.

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Also what Sadiq Khan was talking about wasn't the idea of get used to it, bitches, or something

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like that.

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Which would have been a great speech.

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He wasn't flexing on people like Muslims are going to do this to you.

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I kind of wish he did.

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He was saying that in a modern society, sometimes there are risks and some of these risks are

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like let's say the security apparatus that's in place can't catch everybody.

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And it's a part of large scale urban life.

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We live in Chicago and there is a risk every time we walk down the street at night or whatever,

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there's a chance that you might get mugged.

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I've had people accost me.

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Thankfully it's never led to a mugging, but I accept that as a possibility in a city.

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That isn't to excuse mugging as a crime, it's to deal in a real way with the world as it

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is.

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Well, and the NRA's entire policy might as well be an organization saying get used to

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it, mass shootings are fine.

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Well there's that too and they also make money both ways on that one because they try and

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make you as afraid of the realities of modern city life, but their answer is come to us

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to protect you.

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The NRA makes a lot more money on the day after a mass shooting.

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So they kind of have a financial incentive for mass shootings to continue.

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I agree with you, but the only reason I don't like that is because it seems to put actual

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guilt on them as opposed to abstract guilt, which I don't care.

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Yeah, let's not move into it.

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Let's not do that.

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So this clip isn't done.

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The hand grenade attacks and the mass raping and grooming and government allowing it.

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I can't even keep track anymore.

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I'm just becoming numb to it.

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They're wedding.

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Paul lives in London.

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Stan, we'll talk to him in one moment, but first all the big specials are going to be

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over today.

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Another reason he can't keep track of it is because he would also have to keep track of

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how many of these incidents happened under Boris Johnson and all of these things in order

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to compare.

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Well, he doesn't want any statistical work.

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He doesn't want any work.

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He doesn't want to do any work.

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And that's fine because even in this, he's not talking about any specific incidents.

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He just keeps talking about the myriad knife attacks.

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Can't keep track of them.

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And every time that we've delved into those waters and talked about like how he always

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screams on others, all these acid attacks, and we go over the statistics and talk about

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like the reality of like, who are the people who are doing these acid attacks?

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Why are they doing them?

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All that stuff.

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It never matches his narrative.

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He never wants to get into the reality and the like the individual instances because

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it's a problem for him.

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Reality really fucks up his narrative.

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He just wants to yell about these things in a vague sense in order to make you scared

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of the idea that the Muslims are winning and that Paul lives in London, Stan.

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He does.

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The specials are still going.

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It's strange that all of his specials assuage fears and then he spends all of his time making

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people afraid.

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I mean, it's just like you just it's such a pathetic business model and we talk about

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it all the time, like obliquely, but like it is just like it's a strategy that he learned

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in the 90s working for Ted Anderson as a gold salesman, right, where you create this fear

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of a financial collapse and then Ted comes in and tells them about the gold that will

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save them.

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Right.

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And he doesn't work on a one to one level because he's making people afraid of Muslim

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winning and then selling them pills or something.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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Fair.

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But he's been able to maneuver this from that like I have Ted who's selling you the thing

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that saves you from what I'm making you afraid of.

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Right.

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And now he's pivoted it to it doesn't matter what he's selling.

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It's that if you buy things from me, I will continue to exist and I'm the one who's saving

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you from this.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's still a bad business model and really manipulative and ugly no matter what he's

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selling.

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Right.

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If he's selling the best thing in the world, if he's selling Wonka bars, one of my favorite

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candy bars, it's still a bad business model.

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No.

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Dan, I'm just saying all I'm trying to say is that the far right is taking over in the

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United States.

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Nazism is on the rise.

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Hate crimes are going out of control.

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And Dan, we have T-shirts that you need to buy.

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We don't have T-shirts.

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We don't have T-shirts.

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We're bad at this.

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So in this next clip, Alex wants to talk more about the Muslims that are taking over and

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about some of their New Year's Eve activities and stuff.

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And when we get through this clip, you will see that this is bullshit.

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99 burned cars in one town burning building.

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99 burned cars on the wall.

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No.

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Buildings.

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I mean, I can't even keep track of this.

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We can as a news organization even keep track of how insane it is.

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There it is.

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This vehicle shut on fire in a migrant heavy Paris suburb on New Year's Eve.

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And here's the key.

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This is just like any Islamic country.

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They don't let you come in the country of your Christian or an outside group or a woman

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not wearing a veil.

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And then they congregate in cities and take them over every single time.

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This is meant to drive you out, drive down property rights so they get control.

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It's a mafia tactic.

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It's cancer is what it is.

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Stay with us.

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Gross.

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It's one of the mafia's tactics.

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Reverse gentrification.

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I guess.

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I don't know.

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It's cancer.

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These non-whites making the neighborhoods is a cancer.

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So there's there's this story about these burning cars on New Year's Eve.

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99 burned cars in a city in France, which Alex earlier said per city.

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It's like which implies it's every city.

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I don't know about that.

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So just for fun, because Alex is talking about car burnings and I want to illustrate how

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easy it is to take any headline or story and use it however you want, I present you with

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this news story out of Goldsboro, North Carolina from January 2nd, 2019.

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Quote, police are investigating what appears to be a hate crime after a Goldsboro, North

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Carolina family's SUV was set on fire because their daughter, who is white, was dating an

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African-American teenager.

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Oh, come on.

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The girl's mother said that while the family slept, two of their cars were covered with

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swastikas and racist language and a third car was set on fire.

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In the aftermath, the daughter had to stay with family out of state and the family had

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to wrestle with the idea that their child was unsafe because she decided to date outside

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her race.

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Go ahead.

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Look into recent arsons in the United States.

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There's plenty of them.

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There's Victor Nelson Rosado, who was arrested on December 30th in Midland, Texas, right

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in Alex's backyard because he set a woman's house on fire.

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Interestingly, he was also charged with felony stalking, something he'd been arrested for

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twice and charged for twice in the past.

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The woman who owned the property told officers that Rosado had previously slashed her car

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tires and vandalized her vehicles and home.

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Or how about Loretta Bailey from Manchester, Pennsylvania, whose ex-boyfriend was arrested

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for burning down her house right after she had broken up with him.

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Violence against women!

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He started out small, just vandalizing her truck on Thanksgiving, which led to her attempting

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to get a protective order against him.

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Ultimately, this didn't work out because he just kept avoiding the officers who were trying

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to serve him with papers, and then he burned down her house.

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Or there's this guy in Hialeah, Florida, who committed suicide on New Year's Day, 2019,

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but was sure to set his house on fire before he did.

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You see, his girlfriend had recently separated from him, but she didn't feel safe going to

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retrieve her possessions from his house alone.

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So she called the police to escort her over there, which led to them contacting the ex-boyfriend

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to make sure he knew what the situation was and everything went smoothly.

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After getting this update that the police and her were coming to get her possessions,

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he set his house and car on fire to make sure that she couldn't reclaim her possessions.

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Then there was Nicholas Cole, the 20-year-old guy from Albany, New York, who set someone's

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car on fire on New Year's Eve after getting into an unspecified dispute with them.

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Or there's George Husky of York, South Carolina, who was due to turn himself in to begin serving

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a 90-day sentence he'd received for a domestic violence charge, as well as a charge for illegally

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carrying a pistol.

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Before he went to turn himself in, he decided to enjoy his freedom one last time by burning

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down someone's house with them inside it.

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They survived.

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That's, that's, that's really, I needed that so bad.

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After that list?

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Yeah.

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Point is, these are just some of the arson-related incidents that have happened in the United

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States in the last few days.

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A whole lot of them involve domestic violence, which as you already pointed out, is strange.

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Real strange.

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It's kind of a pattern.

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Seems like it.

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A further point is that, yes, there were 99 vehicles set on fire in France, but the way

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Alex is reporting the story is intentionally racist.

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His headline on Infowars is 99 vehicles set on fire in migrant-heavy Paris suburb, which

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is meant to imply that the migrants are committing this mass fire as some sort of a terrorist

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act.

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Of course.

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Because, why else would you say migrant-heavy suburb unless you were trying to make someone

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afraid that they're going to come burn your car?

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It's just information that's out there, Dan.

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You look to yourself to figure out whether it's relevant.

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It's just information that's out there.

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The story goes even further to make things explicit, saying this, quote, is a perfect

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illustration of how mass migration and integration has completely failed.

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Oh, boy.

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That's a fucked-up sentence.

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That's a fucked-up sentence.

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There's no primary sourcing in this article, only a tweet from an account called The Intelligence

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Fusion, which states that 99 cars were set on fire, a fact that Paul Joseph Watson then

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goes on to editorialize about and connect to stories he's just decided are connected.

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This entire article, the only primary source about the 99 cars is this tweet from The Intelligence

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Fusion.

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Three million illegal immigrants voted in the last election, Dan.

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Now, I don't know a whole lot about The Intelligence Fusion, but I glanced over their Twitter feed,

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and it seems like maybe people who are doing some work, like it seems like they're doing

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something.

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Yeah.

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I don't know enough about them to give any kind of decision on them or anything like

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that, but looking over their account showed me a few stories they've covered that Alex

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and PJW certainly are getting near.

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From January 3rd, 2019, quote, earlier this week, flyers were placed on vehicles in central

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Ferndale, Michigan by a white supremacist group.

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Flyers had messages regarding the need to, quote, take back America.

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Or there was a tweet from January 2nd, 2019, quote, in 2018, Chicago saw a drop in murders

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for the second year in a row, with 100 fewer murders than 2017.

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Police credit investments in data-driven policing and the creation of strategic decision support

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centers for the drop.

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Oh, Alex, do you want to talk about how, ooh, things are getting better in Chicago?

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No, nope, we need the National Guard in there, Dan.

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Shirec.

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Right.

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Shirec, Dan.

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I have no idea what The Intelligence Fusion's editorial position, but nothing what it is.

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I have no idea.

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Yeah.

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And I don't know how stringent they are with guidelines.

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I don't know.

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It would take way too long to figure that out, and there's such a tertiary piece of

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the story that I don't give a shit.

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The point is they're the only source of actual primary information in Paul Joseph Watson's

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story.

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Now, Breitbart did cover this story, too, and to their credit, they at least did link

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through to one actual French source, Le Parisien, which includes the line, quote, in the lot,

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some vehicles were most likely burned for insurance scam attempts.

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This is something that comes up over and over again from experts when we look into the issue

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of vehicle burnings in Europe in particular.

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The vast majority of them are the result of insurance scams.

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Alex has every reason to know this, but still perpetuates the idea that this is the work

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of some sort of group of Muslim immigrants trying to terrorize the public, which there's

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no evidence to support, even on Alex's own website.

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This is a pure expression of Infor's editorial position of demonizing immigrants, Muslims,

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and of supporting white nationalism.

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This is a zero.

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You know what I just thought of the way Alex put that earlier, where he's like, these immigrants

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come in, they lower property values so they can take over.

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What he's actually just said is, I know the racism of property values in that just anyone

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being non-white there lowers property values.

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Doesn't matter if their house is the same or different, man, it's just by virtue of

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being non-white, it lowers property values.

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Alex, you understand how racism works.

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You got it.

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You have what it takes to be woke.

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You did it.

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You did it, buddy.

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That is interesting.

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Let's start talking redlining, baby.

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We've got it all.

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That's such a buried piece of what he's indicating he is aware of.

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That is really interesting.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He said it.

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It's so subtle that I didn't even pick up on that.

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He gets it.

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No, I was thinking about it, I was like, wait, didn't you just, did you just get that right?

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And he doesn't seem to think that that's a problem.

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He doesn't seem to think that that's a function of systematic racism and a corrupt real estate

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industry.

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No.

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What a fucking asshole.

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Yeah, he's dumb.

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But here is him being even more assholish.

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Like this, I bet there was more before the feeds cut in because it starts very curiously

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as he's coming back from break.

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Of course, for mommy's gonna help cut your testicles off, oh, it's so liberal to brainwash

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your five-year-old and tell them they're a girl, they're a boy, they're a girl, it's

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so liberal.

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All right, let's get serious.

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Final segment.

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The lyrics are Lionel, Lionel, Lionel, Lionel.

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Holy shit.

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I don't understand.

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Like, I want to be clear, before this, he wasn't talking about like trans issues, like

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anti-trans issues.

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He doesn't after this.

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He's just the spirit's getting in him and he does a transphobic song parody in the middle

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of the show.

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Yeah.

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I don't know why it must have been an off-air conversation that he was having or something

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like that.

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It got into his head and it bled into the show.

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It's so weird.

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Buckley, we went to break, right?

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Buckley, Buckley, you hate trans people?

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Me too.

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All right, I'm gonna sing a song about everybody to play that.

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It's such an interesting stray bigotry that like doesn't connect to anything he covers

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in the episode.

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So you should know that there is that big news and it's about these 9-11 hacked documents.

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It's coming.

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But before it comes, Alex has got to throw one of his longtime associates straight under

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the bus.

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But I've got, when I say huge news, intergalactic level gigantor coming up next segment, then

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Roger Stone has huge news.

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I hate to have to go after Dr. Jerome Corsi, but there's some chicanery going on, so we're

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gonna do it.

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Alex is siding with Roger in the Roger Stone versus Jerome Corsi battle.

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Jesus.

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So for anyone who doesn't know, I don't know if we've covered it on the show or anything

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like this, but Jerome Corsi has, you know, he's been talking to Mueller and then it also

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turns out that he's mad about this.

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So he's decided he's going to sue Mueller.

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How's that lawsuit going?

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You can't tell.

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Probably not great.

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Roger Stone initially was very supportive of Jerome Corsi, but now apparently there's

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been some backstage beef and the two of them are feuding.

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Roger, because he has no other social media put up on Instagram, a really ugly picture

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of Jerome Corsi and this thing about how he's a snake in the grass.

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He's working with Mueller to sandbag Roger Stone and he's gonna...

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Was it a selfie with him and Jerome Corsi?

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It wasn't.

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It was just a picture of Corsi in his makeshift study.

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I don't care.

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I really don't care.

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I don't think it's...

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I honestly don't even know if it's real.

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Like Jerome...

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You think they might be doing a professional wrestling beef?

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Possibly.

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In order to both distance each other from each other.

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So whenever they're being investigated, they...

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I mean, if you look at how Roger left the Trump campaign with the idea of him saying

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that he quit and Trump saying he got fired in order to create the appearance that they

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weren't working on the same page.

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That there was a schism.

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Yeah, that sort of thing.

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I think if you look at Roger's career, there's a lot of fake publicity moves or whatever.

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I don't really care.

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All this is a zero to me because Jerome Corsi is still Jerome Corsi, Roger Stone is still

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Roger Stone, and Alex Jones is still Alex Jones.

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I don't give a fuck if they don't like each other.

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Are you team Roger or team Corsi?

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Neither.

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Come on.

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You gotta pick...

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This is Twilight all over again, man.

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No.

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It's...

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We have a strange...

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I'm rooting for them both to go to prison.

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We have a strange romantic triangle here.

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I assume that Alex is...

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Oh, he's team Roger.

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Or whatever.

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He's team Roger 100%.

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See?

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There you go.

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He's indicated there.

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He's throwing Corsi out, man.

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He's throwing him the fuck out.

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But that's why she didn't wind up being with the werewolf.

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In this situation, Jerome Corsi is the werewolf kid.

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Well, possibly.

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I'm gonna do Twilight references for the rest of the night.

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I'm holding myself to it.

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I mean, possibly.

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I've never seen Twilight, but it's my understanding that the werewolf was more nurturing.

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Or like was a better guy.

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I think he was.

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I think that was the story.

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I think the vampire was just an asshole.

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Let's deconstruct Twilight, having neither of us seen it.

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It's my understanding that the werewolf was her age and a decent guy, and then the vampire

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was a thousand years old and a creep.

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Yes.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's statutory rape at best, right?

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You bet it is.

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She was 16 and he was a thousand.

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So Alex being Bella and Corsi being the werewolf and Roger being the vampire is possibly accurate.

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That might actually make sense.

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Based on our never seeing Twilight, that is a completely accurate metaphor, don't come

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at me.

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I just don't care.

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It could be a fake beef.

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It could be real.

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I just, I really, I don't, I'm not charmed by this.

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I'm not interested.

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Although I am slightly interested in the idea that whatever the situation is, Alex has decided

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to be like, I'm doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on Roger.

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I'm with him no matter what.

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It doesn't fucking matter.

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Who wins a boxing match between Corsi and Stone?

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They're both old.

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Stone.

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You think so?

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You think Corsi's just too slow?

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He can't move, man.

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Yeah.

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No.

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He's a big pile of goo, man.

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Yeah, but he's probably got a hard right, man, and Stone can't punch for shit.

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But Stone is quick.

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He's quick on his feet and look, here's the deal.

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He is a rat fuck.

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Jerome Corsi is one of those guys that if he hits you, you're out.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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He's late period George Foreman.

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He can't move, but he's still got, you never lose the, you never lose the right.

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He's a guy also who has a lot of endurance in the ring.

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You could punch him 30 times in accounts for one or whatever, but I think Roger has the

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stick and move.

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I think he has the stick and move, he's quick enough that he could, he could rope a dope.

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He's got the, he's got the Ali.

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He's got some Floyd Mayweather defense level.

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I would take Corsi to lose every time, every time.

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I just don't care.

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Although this is interesting to me on another level, and that is when Steve Pechenik started

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talking about how the Vegas attack was fake.

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Alex threw him under the bus and was like, I think he's still doing CIA operations and

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stuff like that.

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When was the last time we saw Pechenik?

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I haven't seen him in a very long time, but he never questioned what are the other things

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that Pechenik has told me in the past.

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That sort of thing.

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He just was like, all right, we're not going to work with him in the future.

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This one time he's a CIA operative, but at the same time, literally everything he said

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before this moment is still valid and perfect for my narratives.

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Alex is now throwing Corsi out and being like, Corsi's a weasel.

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He's trying to get Roger thrown in prison, all this stuff.

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And at no point is he going to do the work of being like, I've used him a lot.

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Of course, he used to work for WorldNet daily.

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I've been using him as a source and interviewing him for years and years.

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He's a huge part of a lot of my fears about Obama and all this stuff.

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It's crazy that he doesn't consider like, oh, this guy is now trying to get one of my

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best friends thrown in prison.

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Maybe he's been a bad dude before this.

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He doesn't care at all about that because he doesn't.

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Yeah.

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I've never considered this.

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Like whenever- Sorry, hold on real quick, it's an indication that they all know they're

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playing a con.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, absolutely.

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100% I agree with you.

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If they thought any of this was real, it would be like, we need to start analyzing what toxic

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information this now toxic person brought into my world and he never does that.

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Just like with a cop being dirty for one investigation, every investigation that cop has ever done

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then comes into question.

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You got to review.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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What I never thought about is like with Jakari Jackson, he quit, right?

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Yeah.

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Because fuck Info Wars, I don't want to be the token black guy there.

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I'm not sure that was it.

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It seems like from everything I can tell, he had just a problem with the editorial shift

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that was happening.

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Right.

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And if it were now, it would be, but I never considered how it must feel to be fired for

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being too crazy for Info Wars.

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Like Pechenik is literally no longer a guest.

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He's fired because Info Wars was like, you're nuts.

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Or no, because he wasn't fired even.

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After Alex stopped talking to him, he would still show up on David Knight's show and stuff

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like that.

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Oh, okay.

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That's a publicity roster.

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I didn't know that.

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You don't get Alex's publicity promotion or whatever.

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Like you don't get that reach, but you can still have access to David Knight or maybe

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you'll show up on the war room.

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Fucking everybody has access to David Knight.

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He needs anything.

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It seems like Leo Zagami is still like a regular guest on Owen Schroyer's show and stuff like

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that.

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So it's like, yeah, you keep them in the, like sort of the baby kennels and stuff like

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that.

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It's like, yeah, you can't have access to the show that people actually listen to, but

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you can come, we still want whatever.

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This is indication to me, and this is, this is irresponsible of me, but it smells like

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pay for play because otherwise don't talk to them.

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If you don't trust them, don't let them on any of your shows instead of like, let's take

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a little bit less money from them to appear on this show or what, it seems like that.

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I bet we could get on Owen Schroyer's show.

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Yeah, it would be combative, but I wouldn't want to do it, but yeah, probably.

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No, of course not.

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Don't talk to that motherfucker, but I bet we could do it.

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The right email could probably get us in there, but anyway, Owen, we're free.

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We have some interesting thoughts on globalists.

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So in that last clip, Alex indicated that he's turning on, uh, Jerome Corsi.

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And then in this next clip, he makes it pretty clear.

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All right.

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We're well into the second hour of the first live show I've done in 2019 it is that's news

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to me.

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I actually didn't realize he said that, which means that the episode that I started to listen

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to on the first where he's going over 5g was a clip show.

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And that makes me, that makes me feel confused.

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Here's two things.

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One, I'm glad we didn't go over it.

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Could have been, could have been prerecorded.

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Yeah, that's possible.

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Yeah.

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Whatever the case, it's weird.

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I couldn't tell.

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It doesn't speak highly of his content.

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January 2nd, 2019.

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I'm your host, Alex Jones.

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Everyone knows that I'm not an in-fighter.

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Nope.

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I don't go after other talk show hosts or other people that are Michael Savage, everyone

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and try to hurt them unless I know they're full of crap.

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Bill O'Reilly.

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Who else?

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I've been interviewed by the way, at least 16, 17 years.

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And he's a smart guy.

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Is he?

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Three times he's had number one New York Times bestsellers.

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About Obama's birth certificate being fake and John Kerry Swift voting.

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Bought by the Koch brothers.

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And he's put out a lot of accurate information.

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I don't have people on that are involved in this info.

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Yeah, you do.

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We have to pause there because Jerome Corsi on the show has specifically talked about

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how he was trained by Edward Bernays.

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So you have this guy who is a trained propagandist.

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Edward Bernays put out a book called Propaganda that describes the process of it and his whole

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career.

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We already got, we went over that long ago.

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But Alex, that was a good episode.

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Go fuck yourself with the idea of, I don't, I don't have people on who are in misinformation.

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Steve Pacenik, before you threw him off the show, you'd always talk about how he's a psy-op

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guy.

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Yeah.

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He's an information warfare.

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Never involved with this info though.

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The strongest information is the truth, dad.

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Right.

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And that's why the media is always saying Jones admits he's an actor everywhere.

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That was your lawyer.

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Thousands and thousands of publications over the years, every major news show has said

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it.

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Do they show a clip of me saying it?

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No.

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Because he's your lawyer.

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Because they know absolutely well that I try to tell the truth and I get things accurate

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probably more often than anybody else.

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Nope.

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It's really funny to hear that halfway through this episode when he said that Trump's dad

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was quarantined for three months on record at Ellis Island.

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Don't follow up.

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There's three factual problems even with that sentence.

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Don't look into it.

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Who cares?

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A hundred, a hundred cars per city in France got burned in the past two days.

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Per city.

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Per city.

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So.

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Name a city in France.

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Again.

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A hundred cars.

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Lyon.

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A hundred cars burned.

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Alsace-Lorraine.

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No, that's a reason.

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A hundred cars burned.

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Look, who gives a shit?

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Alex is stupid.

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He's thrown Corsi under the bus.

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It's gonna be, it's non-binding though, much like agenda 21.

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It's non-binding.

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They'll be back on choice.

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Yeah.

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This is nonsense.

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I don't care.

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This would be like, if we got into this and we're like, look at this, Roger and Corsi

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are fighting.

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This means something.

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That would be kind of the equivalent of Alex getting into palace intrigue of the Trump

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administration.

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Talking about how like, we got to get Kushner out of there.

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He's an evil influence.

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Who gives a shit?

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All these people are liars.

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It doesn't matter if they're fighting with each other or working together.

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Doesn't fucking matter.

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Who gives a shit?

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The only possibility that I see as being interesting from this, and I see no indication of this

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being forthcoming, is that as they start to fight with each other, one of them could reveal

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something accidentally.

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Like the idea of what they were doing in the lead up to the 2016 election.

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Like that idea, like these people who were clearly coordinating with each other in some

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way, like letting slip something.

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That's the only thing I find interesting, and as of yet, I haven't seen that.

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But if it comes-

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So we're talking about the prisoner's dilemma as being a possibility here.

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Yeah, yeah.

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We could be in that situation.

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Yeah, yeah.

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For sure.

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There's a possibility that someone against their own interest reveals something they

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shouldn't.

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I don't see that.

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So at this point, this is a zero to me and both of them go fuck themselves.

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Right.

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Because Roger Stone and Jerome Corsi are both well familiar with game theory and have decided

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that the best way for both of them to win is for them to cooperate-

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With a public appearance of a fight.

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Exactly.

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Probably.

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Probably possible.

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It may not be.

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I don't know.

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But the biggest thing I can say is, again, I don't care.

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Right.

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I don't give a shit.

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Right.

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What are they fighting about?

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Is it like you're lying?

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No, you're lying.

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No, I don't think so.

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It's more of a... So Roger's allegation is that Jerome Corsi was willing to lie about

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Roger but not about himself with the special counsel investigation.

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Okay.

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And I don't know how he knows that now or what he's basing that on.

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I have no idea.

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The documents are public.

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But I do know that there are texts that have come out between Roger and emails, between

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Roger and Corsi about we need to get Ted Malek to go talk to our friend at the Ecuadorian

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embassy and stuff like that.

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There is coordination between the two of them in the relevant timeframe of the WikiLeaks

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releases and stuff like that.

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There is something there.

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Because we don't have all the information, we don't know what it is and it would be stupid

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for us to speculate.

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But they were up to-

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It could have been anybody in that Ecuadorian embassy, Dan.

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Totally.

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They were up to something.

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It's unclear what it is.

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It doesn't really matter.

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We know that Alex has taken responsibility for telling Roger to coordinate with Julie

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DeSage or get him Julie DeSage.

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And knowing that Jerome Corsi was also coordinating with Roger at the same time, who is also an

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employee of Infowars at the same time.

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And it's around when Jerome Corsi became an actual employee of Infowars as the Washington

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Bureau chief when Alex was pretending he was going to start a Washington branch of Infowars.

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There is a lot of stuff that like sort of disconnected pieces and stuff like that, but

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for us to try and put it into like a harmonious whole would require us to make too many leaps

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that we can't make.

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There's something going on, but who knows what it is.

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It could be that Roger and Corsi were conspiring to fuck with Alex.

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That's entirely possible.

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That'd be hilarious.

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God, that would be the greatest fucking joke.

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It's possible that the two of them were incapable of getting in touch with DeSage or something

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like that.

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Look, who knows?

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Like I said, I'm going to double down on this, irresponsible to speculate too much, so let's

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just stick with what we know.

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A fair.

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We know that Alex has a lot of information and a big news story.

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And is always correct, or at least way more than everybody else.

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Pretty much all the time.

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And this big news story is about to break right now.

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I've got a story so big here that A, I have to be careful about what I say.

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For sure.

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Generally should be.

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Which you're not going to be.

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This is the incredible, when I say incredible, I mean super incredible world we live in.

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Where things are so volatile.

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Summer rage.

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And it's the type of stuff that got Andrew Breitbart killed.

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Whoa.

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A heart attack?

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So I will be judicious.

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Polonie?

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And I will cover the story when we go to the next break and come back.

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You son of a bitch teasing it again.

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But he's already said what the story was.

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He already talked about the idea that these hackers have these documents about 9-11.

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Yeah, but he can't tell you now.

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So he thinks that he's doing his same game that he always plays, which is tell what the

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story is.

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But what I'm going to say about it is what I'm teasing.

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Yeah.

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And he says that he's going to be judicious about it and he has to be careful about what

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he says.

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Right.

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Keep that in mind.

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Which based on what you said up top suggests he was not very judicious.

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If he's-

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Napolitano would say he's in trouble.

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If he's being careful, I can't imagine what willy nilly Alex would be like.

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I killed JFK.

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So I'm just going to talk about the story already because I think this is the best way

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to do this.

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Okay.

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On New Year's Eve, a hacker, a group of hackers calling themselves the Dark Overlord announced

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that they'd hacked 18,000 pages of emails and disclosure agreements from Hiscox, which

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is an insurer, Lloyd's of London, another insurer, and Hush Blackwell, a law firm regarding

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9-11.

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They dropped the encrypted files for download with keys to decrypt a couple of the files.

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And those ones that they released aren't really all that damning.

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This group is saying that unless their demands are met and they're paid a ransom through

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Bitcoin, they will slowly release more decryption keys to reveal more sensitive information.

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They've even invited China, Russia, and even terrorist organizations like ISIS to bid to

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receive the documents, which should tell you that they're definitely really cool and clearly

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have America's best interests at heart.

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Nicely done, fellas.

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It's a classic cyber blackmail operation, and there's no evidence as of right now that

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anything in those supposed 18,000 documents actually prove anything.

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In fact, Lloyd's of London and Hush Blackwell both confirmed that they reviewed their cybersecurity

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and there was no evidence that they'd been breached.

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The other one-

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Oh man, what a bluff this would be if it were a bluff.

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Hiscox did find that they had been penetrated.

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They had had a hack in April of this year, but it's unclear if this has anything to do

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with that necessarily.

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You possibly could.

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Whatever the reality of this story is remains to be seen, but as of right now, there is

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no reason to report this as coming proof that 9-11 is a false flag.

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The Dark Overlord has a history of cyber extortion.

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It's kind of what they do.

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And it's a representative of the UK National Cybersecurity Center points out that while

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evidence of the stolen data is often provided by this group, quote, the volume and sensitivity

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of the data may be exaggerated to maximize impact.

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This is what extortionists do.

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They make the idea of the perceived damage that will be done by not complying with their

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demands seem devastating whether or not what they have lives up to that expectation.

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From an article in Forbes, quote, experts agree the material the Dark Overlord claims

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to have is not as game changing as it seems.

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Ian Thornton Trump, the head of cybersecurity at AmTrust International says, this latest

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incident sounds like, quote, cyber criminal bravado, quote, the fact that the firms are

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named, you know, in terms of like Hiscox and that makes me want to believe that they've

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refused to pay the ransoms.

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So this is kind of just a pressure tactic from the Dark Overlord to force the ransom

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issue.

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Okay.

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So you think, or so this guy would seem to suggest that these companies have already

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been contacted by the Dark Overlord.

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Almost certainly.

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And because they rejected...

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They wouldn't pay.

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Yeah.

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Gotcha.

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That is what cybersecurity experts and people who have studied the tactics of extortionists

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on the internet do believe.

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And so everybody who's actually chimed in on this in like, you know, official capacities,

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people who know what's going on, like, yeah, this just seems like a pattern that the Dark

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Overlord has because spoiler alert, their group or a person, it's unclear, who's existed

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for a long time, they leaked a season of Orange is the New Black that they had hacked before

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they held it for ransom.

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For ransom, of course.

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And they didn't pay, so they pay, like they released the, it's not like they don't have

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hacking capabilities.

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Yeah.

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No, clearly.

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There are other instances of them not having as good of stuff as they pretend to when the

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extortion demands aren't met.

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But that they're still around after being in operation for so long.

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And that the...

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Not so long, but a while.

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Yeah, but a while.

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Yeah.

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Suggest one, they're good enough to escape so far.

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We don't know how long that will last for.

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Sure.

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But two, because they have so many publicized failures, it would suggest to me that they

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probably have a few unpublicized successes.

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I don't know.

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It's possible.

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You think?

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It's possible.

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But there's also...

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And that seems to make sense.

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But it also indicates to me that it is obviously more than one person because I think the character

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of the different things that they've done over the years have been so different.

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It's all extortion related, basically, but having the goods or not having the goods have

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been so variable between different campaigns, in quotes, that it makes me think there's

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probably some people who operate under that moniker who are like, you got it.

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You do have the season of Orange is the New Black.

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And then there are people who are like, they don't have all of the...

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Or they do have things that they hacked from a hospital database or something like that.

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But it's not what they say it is.

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It's not as damning as they say it is.

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So the idea here is that with these 9-11 documents that they have, they're presenting it in a

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way that is like, this will bring down this corrupt system and prove that 9-11 is a false

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flag and all this shit.

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But it could just be that they have these insurance...

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It could very well be that they hacked insurance memos and stuff like that from people in long

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protracted court cases that don't demonstrate that 9-11 was fake, but might be embarrassing

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to people or it might be their private business in the streets and stuff like that.

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No one wants that, but it's the over-promising that you hope will get you your extortion

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demand.

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Now, the other thing that's important to consider about this is that they're asking for Bitcoin,

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which is a red flag.

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Because right now Bitcoin's going through some trouble.

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I don't know if you know that.

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And most people who would be...

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I have not heard anything about Bitcoin for the last year.

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I assume it has just kept going up, baby.

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Through the roof.

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Most people who work in cyber espionage or understand that world wouldn't probably want

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their money in Bitcoin.

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They'd probably want it through another...

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Unmarked bills.

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Much less traceable cyber currency because there's tons of them.

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Yeah, I usually get my $10 million through PayPal.

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And there's no specified amount, which implies that the amount would be known to the people

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at those organizations or whatever, which does also imply previous contact.

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So there's a lot going on here.

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It has the look of someone who, well, obviously the dark overlord is extortion operation.

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So you have that.

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And then you have on top of that a history of often over-promising and under-delivering.

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So you have that.

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Then you have asking for the money in Bitcoin, which makes you think that if the dark overlord

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is a group, then what you have is probably the lesser part of that group or maybe the

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weaker part of that group because they're asking for it in Bitcoin as opposed to one

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of these other more safe, more protected, less traceable and...

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Like what?

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Oh, there's tons of them.

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That's what I'm interested in.

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And now that I know that there are more protected, more...

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There's so many.

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Yeah.

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There's so many.

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Cool.

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Like Bitcoin is the one that took off because it became so much like out of nowhere it became...

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Well, because there's a lot of fraudsters out there that did the pump and dump scam.

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Yeah, the whole thing.

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There was that which led to Bitcoin being the most prominent piece of it.

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But there's so many other ones that you could use.

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There are also indications that I was reading about that like we are now at a place where

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Bitcoin can possibly be traceable.

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So like people in intelligence could trace.

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If this person really wanted their money in Bitcoin, it wouldn't be the safe option for

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them.

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And if they were the part of this elite hacker thing, they would know that for sure and would

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never want their money in Bitcoin.

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So there are red flags and questions about it.

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If I had to guess, I would say, yeah, they probably got old of some documents.

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They're over inflating what they have because they want to make a bunch of money, hopefully.

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Good on them.

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But also are not the best cyber terrorists in the world because they're asking for it

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in Bitcoin.

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Yeah.

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It leads me to believe that that's sort of the picture we got.

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I don't know.

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But I don't know.

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Well, but if they have proof, if they have...

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See, here's the thing, though.

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If they have 18,000 documents that prove 9-11 was an inside job, I really hope nobody pays

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the ransom, right?

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Right.

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Isn't that the greatest?

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This isn't how I would want it to go, but yeah.

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Right.

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But that's the greatest fucking public service you could possibly do.

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I strongly disagree only because of the means of doing it, because of the extortion part

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of it.

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Oh, no, no, no.

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I agree.

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I agree with that part.

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Yeah.

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No, I'm with you.

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I'm talking about the other governments and the terrorists not buying it.

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Their public service is being like, I'm calling your bluff.

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And our public gain is, holy shit, 9-11 was a fucking inside job?

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Were someone to be a benevolent hacker in some way and come up with that information

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and leak it through channels that could vet it and there be an actual, I don't know, what

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would it be?

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It would be unprecedented in many ways.

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That sort of operation that involved really committed, principled journalists, that sort

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of thing, if that were the path it went, I'd be interested in that somewhat.

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The fact that it's some unnamed hacker or collective that is looking to enrich themselves

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and offering to sell this to ISIS, it makes me think, it's probably a scam.

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It's probably a lot of a scam.

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Almost certainly.

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And it's trading on conspiracy theories.

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And I just-

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On the other hand, on the other hand-

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I like the other hand.

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The biggest problem that Woodward and Bernstein really encountered with Deep Throat is not

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fucking selling the information in the first place.

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They could be rich as fuck.

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I think they did okay.

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And Nixon might still be president.

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I think they did okay.

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I mean, they did okay, but they could have been billionaires.

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But that's the flip side of it, is like, let's imagine they do have proof that 9-11 was fake

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and someone in the cabal pays the ransom and then no one ever knows, aren't they just as

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evil as the cabal?

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Oh, perhaps more so.

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None of this has played out in any way.

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There's no proof that they've put out that 9-11 is fake.

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It's all the what if, what's in those documents.

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Alex is being tricked by this again.

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He gets tricked by this a lot, this sort of the Schrodinger's cat kind of thing, the what

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could be in that box.

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And if I'm China, I'm thinking I can take a loss on this one, right?

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Like how much could they possibly be asking?

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How much could they possibly be asking for?

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And even if it's not true, it's like, what?

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We spent 10 million.

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We look, we look foolish, but it's like, it's like you have a, you have like, I don't know

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a pair.

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Yeah.

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The pot is too big.

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The pot is too big.

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This guy bets like 50 grand at you.

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You got, I don't know, a million dollars in chips.

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You're like, I shouldn't pay 50 grand.

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I know I've lost, but whatever.

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Fuck it.

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Why not?

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Exactly.

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It's that sort of like strategy.

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The bet is too weak.

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No matter what amount they're asking for, if that is real, then yes, China or Russia

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would pay for it to use against them.

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Like it would destroy America.

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If it's real, that is worth a trillion.

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That's worth the GDP of the United States.

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Especially for these places that don't want American influence to be in places where they

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seek influence, it would be the fucking greatest thing ever.

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So it can't be real.

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I know we're, we're sort of dancing around a ton of issues, but like all of them are

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important in their own way because they're all demonstrative of how like, if you just

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critically think about this for a second, there's no way this is real.

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There's no reason to suspect it's real because it's being put out by a cyber extortion racket.

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Who are known for...

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Extortion.

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Exactly.

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And so like, it's just, it's interesting that this is Alex's big news.

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I thought whenever he started talking about it, it was going to be some sort of like hooray

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for this.

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Yeah.

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And that makes sense.

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The way he covers it, I was never prepared for this.

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This is the most, I hate how I always say everything is like a superlative.

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You've got a lot of superlatives over the two years we've been doing this.

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Alex keeps blowing my mind.

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Like when I was listening to this, there's no way I could have expected this to be his

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position on it.

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All right.

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He's so crazy.

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Here we go.

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Listen to this.

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So here's the Zero Hedge article, zerohedge.com up on newswars.com and infowars.com.

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This is a big deal, not just this story, but how hackers can get into these systems and

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then use it.

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And then the fact that Trump has said, look out, I'll release the 9-11 info on the Clintons

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and the Bushes.

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And Trump has come out and said, there's more than one way to declassify illegal spying

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on me and how you funded the Taliban and Al Qaeda and now ISIS.

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And I've said for a good year, Trump should just, through Patriots in US intelligence

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agencies that already have all this, put it out as if they're hackers and then have the

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cover story that they're putting a ransom out of these companies.

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But really it's just a way to bring attention to it and then release it because they can't

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release it.

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These law firms, no matter what happens, they're not going to release it.

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They'll get payoffs in the back, in my view, because you cannot release it.

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It's too damning.

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Bombs in the buildings, you know, black ops, all of it.

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Are you understanding what he's saying?

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Because OK, this is the most fucked up thing imaginable or the worst way to cover this

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story would be to say this is Trump.

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So what he's saying is that Trump wants to release the 9-11 is an inside job document.

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You bet from these insurers and one law firm.

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Right.

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But he can't because the lawyers would get in the way.

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So instead he is more congress and later says Congress might, Congress might get a lot of

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lawyers in Congress.

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Oh, you don't think that Congress might be like, hey, let's not put out the 9-11 was

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an inside job.

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Right.

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Right.

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Which can they do?

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If you're the president, you can just declassify whatever you want.

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You bet.

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That's part of the rules.

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You bet.

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Like if JFK was an inside job tomorrow, Trump could be like, hey, Jeff, guys, an inside

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job simply by saying it is declassified.

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We went through this horse and pony show like six months ago when Alex was like, he's about

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to declassify everything about JFK is like, nah, nah, yeah, he can do that with a stroke

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of a pen.

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It's not it.

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But it would be politically out of backlash.

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It would be politically suicide for him, for him to actually, I kind of think that might

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be the best move for him.

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Like politically for, for most people, if he just revealed that JFK was an inside job,

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I think even I would be like, hey, good on you, man.

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If you want to change my position on Trump, I mean, I'd still like think he was a bigot

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and a dick.

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Cause he is.

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But if you wanted to change the legacy to a complicated legacy, all it would take is

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for him to declassify JFK documents and then prove that the government was behind it and

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prove that nine 11, the government was behind it.

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And then him die.

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That's all it would, yeah, yeah, no stroke of a pen.

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He declassifies all that.

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It goes out publicly.

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The globalists kill him because then it would be like, huh?

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Exactly right.

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Wouldn't everybody have to go like, I get, I don't like on his life.

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So if he loses in 2020, it would, his last day should be that if it's true, his last

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day.

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Cause he's fucking Trump.

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He doesn't give a shit.

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It's Alex has already said he's ready to die out of spite.

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Trump should release the America has done all the inside jobs.

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Why not?

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Yeah, that'd be great.

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Why not do it instead?

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He has hired a group or perhaps created a group of hackers, which over the past couple

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of years has been a cyber extortion group.

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That's all at the behest of Trump in order to build a backstory so he can then release

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the nine 11 was an inside job story.

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There's a lot of problems, real world problems with this narrative that Alex is embarking

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on.

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And I would say, don't do this.

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I would say don't do this because he is very clearly saying that like, this is not a hacking

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group.

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This is, this is Trump.

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Yeah.

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And in this next clip he makes clear and implicates himself in having advanced knowledge of this.

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So pay the F up.

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That's the headline hackers threatened to dump secret nine 11 attack files.

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If Bitcoin ransom not met, we'll be providing many answers about nine 11 conspiracies through

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our 18,000 secret documents leak from at his Cox coms and others.

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Doesn't even know collective known as the dark overlord.

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Wonder who that is.

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Derek.

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Sorry.

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On new year's Eve that it had broken into the computer systems that they already have

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it all.

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This is, this is parallel construction.

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Only the government will understand the stuff I'm saying, but that's who this is for.

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Sorry.

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A little bit of glee here, just have a little bit of a mental orgasm when we stop.

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So he says that only the military understands what he's talking about is like a, it's a

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parallel construction.

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What he's saying is that like all of these, like these people are creating this hacker

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a identity in order to, uh, like have a parallel for the release of the documents.

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Okay.

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So is he, they already had these people, he's going to spell it out in the next clip, but

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what he's saying is that these are good to people within the intelligence community who

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are doing this, but they can't do it themselves with the documents.

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So they create this parallel construction of this hacking narrative.

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These hackers have done this in order for it to be deflected onto that for their actions,

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which they need to do because they're good people within the intelligence community.

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Okay.

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So he's, his knowing laugh isn't the Q Anon.

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His knowing laugh is, I wonder who these people are.

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Obviously it's the government, right?

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Not like, no, it's the Steve Pachannik counter key narrative all over again.

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It's not like he actually knows who these guys are.

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He's definitely implying that he does.

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Yes.

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But he's, he's thinking it's the government, right?

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Good people within the intelligence community.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Yes.

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The, uh, at the behest of Trump.

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Right.

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Yes, absolutely.

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That is, that is the narrative that he's putting.

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Gotcha.

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I don't believe his narrative at all.

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Absolutely not.

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That's cause it's dumb.

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It is dumb.

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So let's, let's listen to this next clip real quick where Alex just spells it out a little

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more before we get too deep into it.

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A hacking collective, dark overlords or Patriots and us intelligence, oh sorry, announced on

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new year's Eve that it had broken into the computer systems.

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You mean they had it all day one of the law firm and obtained files related to September

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11th, the tax.

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What did I tell you about a month ago?

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We can go pull the interviews up.

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I said, get ready for all the nine 11 stuff to come out.

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He always says that though.

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It doesn't matter.

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I know.

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Never forget.

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Oh, but of course the president's not involved.

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I'm, uh, listen, I'm telling the president, everybody else, release everything now.

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Just battle slay them.

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We need to crush them.

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Come on.

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The avalanche is unstoppable.

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Forget playing games.

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Fire at will.

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Let's go.

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Let's get it on my God.

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We're on the attack here.

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Let's stop playing games.

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We have them.

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No, you don't.

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But like, so my position very clearly is that this is a extortion group on the internet.

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Um, and they're probably playing with fire a little bit, but they've done that many times

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in the past.

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They've seemed to be okay.

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That they've avoided detection for this long is spectacular on the hackers are pretty good

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at what they do.

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And it's generally, you know, you have a lot of ways to hide your identity, right?

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It's, you know, there's very gifted folk, but they got the, they got the anonymous people

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pretty early on by turning, uh, one of those dudes, right?

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But you had to find that dude first.

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If you, if you write, if you, uh, make steps to make sure no one gets detected, you know,

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if you do that, like in the same way that like, uh, you know, Lloyd's of London said

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no one came into our, we know that because we have a pretty good security infrastructure

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and we can trace if there's any, uh, so either they're the best security hackers or possible.

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Yeah.

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Who knows?

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But, but see, the problem there is to avoid detection is switching the game.

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Like it's far easier to hack people because you're playing offense there.

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You get the first move, but in order to avoid detection, then you switch to defense and

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you don't get the first move.

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It's far easier to hack than it is to avoid being hacked.

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Right.

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But if you are a collective of hackers or even just one person who's pretty talented

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at it, you don't start doing the offensive stuff without a good defensive position.

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No, of course.

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So you already, like that's implied in the act of hacking.

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Right.

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I just want to talk about how Magnus Samuelsson wound up.

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Let's talk about Lord Nikon.

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Policy wonk, Lord Nikon.

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Listen, it's irrelevant.

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It really is because that's my position that this is what the situation is from everything

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I can tell from everybody who I've, I've read talk about this, who has expertise in, uh,

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cyber espionage and that sort of thing.

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That's the position that's being put forth.

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That's what I think is probably the case.

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And the fact that no one seems to be worried about this.

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Yeah.

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That's a big issue.

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You know, you don't see like, cause if it were real, it would have been paid for immediately

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or you would have instantaneously, you would have given up.

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Although at the same time paying an extortioner only leads to worse extortion.

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It's still, it's either going to be more extortion or it's going to be, they're going to release

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it anyway.

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It's why you never go along with blackmail because generally when someone's blackmailing

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you, if you give into the first stage of the blackmail, that act will be used as the second

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stage of blackmail.

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Of course.

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So you just take the hit the first time someone threatens you.

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The real information is far less damaging than the ongoing black.

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Exactly.

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So with that aside, this is just nonsense.

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Absolutely.

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But the problem comes when Alex's narrative about it is that it's good guys within the

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intelligence community.

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Now we don't know that.

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I don't know anything.

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It's possible.

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Nope.

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Nope.

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In a hypothetical world, it's possible, but in a hypothetical live within born identity

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or whatever, we're living in Alex's space right now.

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So let's engage with him on his turf.

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So if that is possible, that is crazy illegal.

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That is insanely illegal.

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Yeah.

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Alex is implying that he knows about this, is thrilled about it.

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And Trump is in on it.

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With all of, I mean, it's not true, but what he's saying is true.

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What he's doing on his radio show right now is implicating Trump in a huge fucking national

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security issue because these people are offering to sell this information to fucking ISIS.

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So if Trump is behind that, Trump has, Trump has got ISIS's dirty shit up his asshole.

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I mean, I think really what is going on here is Alex doesn't have a full grasp of the facts.

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He heard that someone is offering 9-11 factual information and all that stuff.

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He got a hard on and then he's given it out to everybody.

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And he's starting to, he's starting to, I think probably, he might still be in touch

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with Steve Pachanik or maybe Rogers doing this, who knows.

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One of his dumb assholes who he talks to behind the scenes has created this narrative for

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him that it's the good guys in intelligence who are doing this because it fits so much

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into his spy movie reality, fits into just everything that he lives about.

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But here, this next clip is super important.

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Before you go any further, let me, let me just say, here's my other kind of thought

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about this, is that as much and as often as he has tried to jump on the QAnon train and

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like use that to bolster his credibility.

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He wants to own it.

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He's not doing it.

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So he creates his own.

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Yeah.

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What is QAnon other than Q is Trump and he's releasing all of these documents.

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But that is part of the QAnon stuff too.

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That Q is working with Trump or is Trump.

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Right.

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Like even in their world.

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But he's trying to own it.

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Yes.

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Is my, is my.

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I mean, we've seen that since, I mean, it's been like most of this last year in terms

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of his Zach narratives and stuff like that.

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It's always been an embracing of how popular QAnon is on the internet, but never wanting

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to get in with it because he wants to own it.

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Right.

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It's the same thing with his position towards Bitcoin, quite frankly, is the idea of like,

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I don't want to get involved with that.

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I want to get involved with max coin.

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Or gold.

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Like it's just, I want, I want the benefit of what makes you afraid and gets you into

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this thing.

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Yeah.

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But I don't want to lower myself.

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Right.

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I want to own it.

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I don't jump on trains.

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I run them.

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Exactly.

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I'm the ringmaster.

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Gotcha.

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Okay.

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The only reason I was barreling towards the next clip is because I think it proves that

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Alex doesn't know what he's talking about.

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Okay.

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I think it's just that he's, he's talking shit.

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He's found these stray variables that he can work into a narrative and some worm tongue

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is whispering in his ear, this is about the good people in intelligence.

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I'm sorry I interrupted you.

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I just wanted to make, I just, I wouldn't be, I just wanted to be clear on that because

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I wasn't.

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No, no, no.

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I think it was a rare, not rare.

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Rare good interruption from Jordan.

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Medium rare.

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No, no, no.

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Put it on the board.

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No, I'm saying it's less, it's less than rare.

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It's medium frequency that when you interrupt me, there's a good point, but that was a good

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point.

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It was worthwhile.

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Thank you very much.

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It was worthwhile.

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We can continue doing this for another episode.

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So I just think this is demonstrative that Alex doesn't know the situation.

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He just has a narrative in mind because he says this.

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You know, I can spend about an hour just on what dark overlord means.

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It's not saying they're dark.

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Overlord was the invasion of Normandy against Hitler.

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Overlord means there's good people overloading the darkness.

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It means overriding the dark is what that means if you flip it.

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But he doesn't seem to recognize in any way that dark overlord is a hacking organization

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that has existed and extorted people for years.

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Like he does, he's, he's not dealing with this in any real way.

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Like he's acting like it's somebody that popped up.

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Now something that you sort of obliquely referenced earlier, the idea that like Trump created

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this extortion outfit as a cover or whatever.

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A few years ago.

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Right.

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That might be what he would have to go to as his defense, but that's flimsy as hell.

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We're anybody to call him on.

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Right.

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That's flimsy as hell.

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This is an entity that has existed on the internet and Alex has never been aware of

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it, but he now is.

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And he's trying to create this like, it's all the symbology of the name.

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It's dark, but you flip the dark and like.

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Which is the QAnon justification cycle all over again.

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It is the, it is the same thought process.

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100%.

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He wants that world so badly, but he can't handle not being the head of it.

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Right.

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Like he yells all the time, I'm the head of, I'm behind 9-11 truth.

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I'm the original QAnon, that whole thing.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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For sure.

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Yeah.

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It's a, I mean, pride comes before the fall or after or in betw- in the middle of the

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fall.

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Pride comes a lot of places during the fall and.

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It is, it is weird knowing the full context because were you to not have the full context

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of his jealousy, pettiness, his need to get attention combined with the fact that QAnon

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is far more popular amongst his own fans than even he is at this point, if you didn't realize

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that, you'd think that he was coming up with a completely normal conspiracy theory.

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Whereas within the full context, we realize how pathetic and weak bullshit this really

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is.

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Well, I think that even-

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Because QAnon's bullshit is pathetic and weak as well.

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But I think even without that context, you could very easily see how weak this is.

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Just if you understand what Dark Overlord is doing and the history of extortion and

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all that shit.

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Right.

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I think you could-

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But most people don't have that context either.

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Well, they could find it with a quick Google search.

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But I think what you add to it from our show and the time that we've spent looking at Alex,

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you see, even if you take the reality of QAnon out of this, you do have consistent trends

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of Alex being so jealous of this internet world that he doesn't have sort of ownership

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of these 4chan places and Reddit, these communities where he's not able to dictate this.

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It's the same thing that he used to feel about the mainstream media.

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Like in 2009, there's so many resentments that he doesn't control the narrative.

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We don't control this.

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And even as Trump was coming into relevance in 2015, there were so many times that would

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him and Owen Troyer would be like, now the mainstream media, you don't control what we're

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talking about.

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We do.

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That sort of thing.

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And I think there's a snake eating its own tail in some ways in terms of the alternative

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media that Alex now recognizes that the alternative stuff is also out of his control.

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That is now like he also doesn't control that.

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So six, nine months ago or so, whenever he's getting mad at QAnon at the first point, he's

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mad about that because it is that recognition.

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But he's never stopped trying to take exactly what QAnon is talking about and make it his

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shit.

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Of course.

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And he knows better than them.

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Yes.

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The thing that must most infuriate him is the actual anon part of Q. Because if it was,

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if there was a head, if there was a name like it, for instance, Glenn Beck, he would not

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be trying to co-opt it.

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He would be attacking everybody.

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He would find the guy.

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He would be like, this guy's full of bullshit.

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This guy is not the guy you want to follow.

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You want to stick with me.

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The fact that it's anon and there's no one personally for him to attack, they need to

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take it over.

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The mystery allows the space wherein he can own it.

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Yes.

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Because he can't own Glenn Beck.

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Well, at the same time, he can't insult it.

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He does insult it a little bit.

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Yeah.

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He insults the institution of it, but he doesn't insult necessarily the idea behind it.

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He just tries to co-opt the idea behind it with an appearance of elevation with like,

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no, no, no, you guys, QAnon is steering you down dumb tracks.

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I've got Zach, who's totally real.

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You know, what's strange to me is his best move to fight against QAnon.

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Well, actually, you know what?

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It's not strange because the best move to fight against QAnon is to actually go into

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the history of Q and how it's this book from the 80s and all of these things.

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Also a weird character on Star Trek.

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Exactly.

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It's got this whole long history of being full of bullshit.

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Of course, he should do that, I guess, if he wants to discredit it.

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But at the same time, he can't do it because that's a...

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It's a Trump positive entity.

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Yeah.

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And it's a great conspiracy theory.

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It's a mythology that is so Trump centric.

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Were he to attack that, he would call into a question a lot of the other Trump narratives

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that he has.

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And furthermore, if he starts debunking conspiracy theories instead of joining them, he's fucked.

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Right.

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So this story, big picture.

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I think we already know what we think.

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You're welcome to disagree with me if you want, but I think we agree it's a cyber extortion

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ring that is...

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Disagree.

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Okay.

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We kind of...

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Now that I'm welcome to, I will.

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We kind of see what Alex's take on it is.

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And what he's saying is really dangerous only in a sense that if...

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When Guccifer 2.0 started to come around, no one really understood what it was.

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But then as investigation started to happen, they started to trace the VPNs and the logins

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of the person presenting themselves as Guccifer 2.0.

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And they found that it was legit GRU offices and that sort of thing.

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That's when it became like, okay, this is a cutout for...

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I'm not saying that this hacking operation is that.

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I have no idea and I have no reason to think that.

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But I think Alex is playing with fire unnecessarily because there's a chance that it is a cyber

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extortion racket and he's just lying about it and then good day to you.

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No consequence for that.

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That's fantastic.

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It's fine.

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Hey, you had a great day.

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In the world we live in now, especially, it's really risky to associate yourself with people

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like this or stories like this because what if it does turn out that people are able to

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trace these hacks, people are able to trace the people behind it.

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Someone accidentally didn't sign into their VPN one time and you got the laptop where

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the hacking happened.

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There is a decent chance that it could turn out you are now associating yourself and telling

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a story about something that links you to a fucking international felony.

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Is it possible?

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I don't know.

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I wouldn't even say it's a decent chance.

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I would say it's a massive overwhelming chance.

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Because if there was...

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Well, not overwhelming chance that that information will come out.

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Oh, no, no, no.

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But that's what I'm...

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But that you will be caught for it.

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Because if there were...

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I'm not suggesting that there isn't some hacker that is the best there's ever been at cyber

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extortion.

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But if you're talking about actual 9-11 is proof documents, that means that every fucking

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hacker within the Chinese government is going to be trying to break it.

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Every hacker in Russia is going to be trying to break it.

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Every hacker in the United States.

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Every other country.

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For every government.

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Not just those two.

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For every single government, everybody they've ever had who is any good at cybersecurity

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would be searching for this one guy.

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Or it would also...

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Or and both.

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And and or.

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It would become a bidding war between clandestine cutouts of all of these governments.

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For sure.

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Everybody would want it.

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No one would want to bid on it.

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So there would be all these various like fronts where you would like launder weird cryptocurrency

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through.

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And it would turn into...

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Yeah, absolutely.

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They'd get a trillion fucking dollars for it and we'd never hear about it again.

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Yeah, yeah.

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No, no, no.

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If they were the single greatest hacker in history, maybe there's a 10% chance they can

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pull this off.

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If they're anything less than that, the combined cyber securities of all the world's governments

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would probably get to you.

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Because we're recording this on Thursday night on the 3rd.

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We have not seen the documents released yet.

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Well, I've seen pieces of the stuff that have been decrypted.

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Right.

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I'm sorry, we haven't seen the end of American civilization because we know it yet.

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We don't know how this story is going to play out and it will be interesting to see how

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it does because there's a real decent chance this is gonna be a fart in the wind and it'll

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be a nothing.

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100%.

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Much like the Antifa Soros documents and stuff like that, which Alex will just later bring

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up as proof of things without ever being anything meaningful.

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Of course.

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But I don't know.

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I don't know.

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As a human being, as someone who can only go on the facts on the ground, sure.

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There's a chance that this proves 9-11, very small chance.

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And if it is, strap in because we got a fucked up time ahead of us.

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Well, and the greatest whistleblowers of all, we have Snowden, we have Manning, we have

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Reality Winner, we have these people.

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Their move wasn't secret hacking.

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Their move was being within the very agencies and getting the documents that way.

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Yeah.

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And that's why the people who are so- Heroically, by the way.

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Well, but that's why the people who are so manipulatively trying to deflect attention

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from the WikiLeaks and the DNC hacks, that's why Seth Rich is such an important piece of

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their narrative.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I mean, he would fit that mold of someone inside who was a whistleblower, but they have

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no evidence of that.

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Right.

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But that's why they are so disgraceful on that front.

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But- Sorry for, again.

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No, it's all right.

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As it relates to 9-11, we have this next clip where Alex talks about Trump vis-a-vis 9-11

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and how much of a genius he was back in 2011.

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Oh God.

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2001.

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Trump was not involved in all this.

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He went on television the day after and six days after 9-11 and said there were bombs

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in the buildings.

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Should we queue it up and play it again for you?

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You probably should.

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So real quick, Trump did suggest in an interview on 9-11 that he thought there were ter-

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This is a problem!

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Well, what do you mean?

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I just mean that it's strange to imagine that our president is a 9-11 truther.

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Well, he wasn't back then.

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Yeah.

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And Alex is presenting that he is because I've gone back and listened to the interviews.

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That's what he's saying.

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But Trump thought that the terrorists had bombs on the planes because he was suspicious

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about the idea of the iron and steel girders.

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It wasn't about the idea that the building fell down.

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If you listen to the actual interviews, it's about the penetration into the building.

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He was talking about how the windows were so narrow in World Trade Center buildings

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and it was because of all of the iron.

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He's talking about how the building was built from the outside in, in terms of the structure

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of it.

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There were so many steel beams that they couldn't have wide windows.

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And that's what he was talking about.

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He was talking about the idea that it's strange that a plane was able to fly into it and penetrate

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those steel beams.

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He suggested that there were bombs, not that there were bombs at the bottom or whatever

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to bring the building down, but that the planes had bombs also to increase the impact in order

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to allow them to penetrate those steel beams.

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He did say that in an interview.

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But Alex is misrepresenting that.

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What if they were just flying at 30,000 miles an hour?

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Oh, you bet.

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That's a possibility.

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Let's talk to some fucking aviation and engineering people.

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You can.

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It seems like if you're flying really, really fast, and I don't know a lot about physics,

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then hey, you know what, maybe this one time, because Trump is a real estate magnate, even

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though he's a complete failure in a pile of shit and he doesn't pay his contractors, perhaps

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he has some engineering that I don't have or some engineering knowledge that I don't

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have.

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I bet he does know more than you.

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Yeah.

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But not more than experts.

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I expect that.

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Yeah, I expect that.

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Somewhere in the world.

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However, a plane flying 30,000 miles per hour is a pretty good penetrating object.

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I'm not sure that's the speed they're flying, but yes, absolutely.

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It does seem like it would be equivalent to a bomb.

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Yeah.

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30,000 miles an hour might be too fast.

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But that statement that he made isn't indicative that he thought that there was some sort of

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an inside conspiracy or anything like that.

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It is just sort of a wrestling with the idea that this happened.

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If you listen to that interview, that is what you come away from it with.

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Oh, also in an interview- Why did I say 30,000 miles per hour?

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That's an insane number.

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I think you're thinking of 30,000 feet.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That's like a rocket.

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Yeah.

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But also in an interview hours after the attacks, he said, quote, 40 Wall Street actually was

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the second tallest building in downtown Manhattan, Trump replied.

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And it was actually before the World Trade Center was the tallest.

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Oh, yeah.

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I remember this right.

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And then when they built the World Trade Center, it became known as the second tallest and

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now it's the tallest.

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Also for fun, just to be petty, even after 9-11, 40 Wall Street wasn't the tallest building

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in downtown Manhattan.

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That honor goes to 70 prime.

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So Trump's building, what he was bragging about, wasn't even the tallest.

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But on 9-11, hours after the attack, his response was, well, now my building's the tallest.

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And also- That's definitely not because he's a fucking

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psychopath.

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Also a fun fact about 40 Wall Street, he only bought that because Ferdinand Marcos of the

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Philippines, the dictator, he embezzled millions and millions of dollars from his country and

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then hid it by buying real estate in New York.

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Nah, come on.

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And 40 Wall Street was one of the buildings that he bought.

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No.

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What?

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Yeah.

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He got in trouble about all that stuff.

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Why did he get in trouble?

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And then the building fell into disrepair and so Trump was able to buy it really cheap.

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For cheap?

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Yeah.

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He was able to buy it really cheap and rehabilitated as the Trump building.

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And then for years, it's housed tons of criminals, tons of criminals.

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So many people, not people necessarily, but businesses that have been housed in 40 Wall

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Street have been indicted.

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It's crazy.

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I don't know if every building in New York has that kind of batting average.

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I don't know, but their batting average looks bad.

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Also Trump University, their address was 40 Wall Street.

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That's so much like a horror movie house.

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That's so much like a haunted house where it's like, oh, this corrupt fascist bought

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it and then died and the ghosts of corrupt fascists have existed and fucking infiltrated

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everyone who's lived into that building since.

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It's hard not to look at it that way.

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And then the added layer on that that's really fun, and I don't think this means anything,

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but it's super fucking weird, is that Roger Stone through Black Manafort and Stone, his

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old lobbying group, they used to do a ton of work.

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I want a musical called Black Manafort.

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Before that, before Ferdinand Marcos went down and all that, they used to be employed

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as lobbyists for Marcos.

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God damn it.

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So before all of that, Roger Stone was involved in lobbying for this brutal fucking dictator

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who embezzled a ton of money and also had a habit.

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I don't know if you know this, of like taking political dissidents in the middle of the

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night and then dismembering their bodies, like just taking them and like disfiguring

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them and shit and then leaving them out in public for other people to find as a message

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about what happens.

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Like fucking Mexican cartels?

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Kind of like that.

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Yeah.

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Like what happens if you, it was called salvaging.

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He was doing that while Roger Stone was a lobbyist for him, and Roger doesn't seem to

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fucking give a shit about that.

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And it's interesting that he took this money that he embezzled and then bought 40 Wall

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Street, didn't work out, and then Trump ended up buying it.

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I honestly don't think that there's any like one to one connection there, like that somehow

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Roger Stone-

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Spiritually, there's definitely connection.

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Spiritually, yes.

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But like, I don't think that, I'm not trying to present a conspiracy where like Roger Stone

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was lobbying for this guy-

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No, absolutely not.

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He bought 40 Wall Street and then Trump bought it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Absolutely not.

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There's a meaningful connection there.

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Yeah.

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But it is so interesting.

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It's so interesting that that history is just, it's there.

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It's a coincidence that kind of makes you think that all evil is just at least knows

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each other.

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Eh.

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So we have one last clip, and I'll say that I only got about maybe like just shy of two

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hours into this episode before, like I was like, I have too many clips.

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Like if I keep going through this episode, we're just going to end up in, who knows?

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And whatever he says can't be worse than what he's saying already.

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Like he's already implying that Trump is behind these hacks and all this stuff like, what

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are you going to do to more complicate this narrative?

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And so we end with-

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Trump hired in a Russian team to pull this off.

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No collusion.

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It's already kind of implied that.

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No collusion.

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So anyway, here's, here's Alex celebrating his coup of some sort.

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Like he's, he's delivered this narrative perfectly hurrah.

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This is, this is, this is the stuff that victory is made of.

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Is it?

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Of course the president has nothing to do.

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Why just release the documents through Congress?

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We're all crapping themselves.

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Oh, hackers are going to release it now.

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I'm vibing on this song.

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That's a good vibe.

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I'm going to be honest.

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I'm vibing on that song.

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Yeah.

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I, uh, I just, this bums me out.

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Not, not like cause it's a bummer, but just because like, I don't like to see, I don't

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like to see this celebration cause I know it's so short lived and it's fake.

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It's transient.

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Like I, I know I've listened to so much of Alex's show that like I can't even be happy

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for him.

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Like I know that within a week I kind of can, I know that within a week this is just going

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to become a waypoint for him.

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It's just going to become another like little narrative that didn't work out that he will

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yell back about whenever he wants to reinforce another point in the future.

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Of course.

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I just, I just, it's, it's a bummer.

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It's a bummer.

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But I think this is something that we don't talk about a ton generally because it's never

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as explicit, but like what we've talked about a little bit already is like this, this is

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such a pathetic attempt to reclaim QAnon stuff that it's, it's, it's, it's a see-through

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bummer.

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Yeah.

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It's just, I don't know how to put it.

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It's just, it, I, I leave this cold because I, on one level I'm super happy about the

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idea that like in the same way that on Christmas Eve, Alex said that he told Roger to talk

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to Assange, you know, like that, that sort of thing.

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I feel like this is in, in par with that.

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Like he's revealing that someone told him something.

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Were he to be correct, this is the biggest crime he could possibly commit.

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But even if he is not correct, he's revealing that someone told him this, someone absolutely

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is feeding this to him.

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This isn't his own analysis.

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Right.

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Well, at the very least, somebody is telling him that somebody else is telling him this

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lie though, which is, which begs the question of who's telling him this bullshit lie.

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There is something behind this.

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There's someone behind this who is feeding this narrative to him and I'm not sure who

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it is, but it's someone who doesn't have Alex's best interest at heart.

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Absolutely.

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And I enjoy that on one level, but I also don't because there's so little legs to this.

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Like there's two ways this possibly can play out.

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Yeah.

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Actually, there's probably like three or four, but two main ways this can play out and one

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is these people who are in this hacking collective get arrested.

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That's one possible avenue.

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The most likely.

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I see that as kind of unlikely.

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Maybe someone in it will get arrested.

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If someone gets arrested, everyone gets arrested.

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Sure.

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That's the way hacking collectives work.

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Possibly.

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I think you're right generally, but who knows?

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That's one possible way this can go.

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Two, no one pays the fucking ransom and this fizzles out.

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A couple of more decryption keys come out that show other documents that don't prove

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anything about 9-11 and then the story just sort of disappears.

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Or three, they have proof of 9-11.

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Which, wow.

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Which do you think I think is more likely?

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Good on you.

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Or they have proof that Hillary Clinton was in the World Trade Center and the only reason

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that she lost the presidency was because she died in 2001, 9-11.

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Hillary Clinton ghost.

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Number five.

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What's number five?

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Very close to four.

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Okay.

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Hillary was in the building, but she precipitated the 9-11 attacks because she needed the circumstances

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with which she could do the exact necessary pagan ritual in the basement with Linda Bloodworth

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Thomas, the producer of Designing Women.

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Naturally.

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They did a witch ceremony in the basement while the building was coming down because

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they needed that much loss of blood in order to provide the pagan sacrament that she would

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be required to have in order to lose the 2016 election.

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I don't know.

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Number six.

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The elevator was slow, so she got the towers to fall down so she could get to the base

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faster.

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Number seven.

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Something else done.

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I don't know.

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I don't think that there's any legs to this other than propaganda.

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That's the only thing I guess I'm really saying.

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We can clown on stuff and we can have fun, but I really don't think... I see a lot of

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the world and I see a lot of failed attempts at things, like narratives trying to be launched

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and stuff like that.

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Yeah, of course.

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Of course.

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A lot of the time, we don't even talk about it because who gives a shit?

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Yeah.

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But this to me, it just stinks of a zero.

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It stinks of something that only exists to provide fodder for people like Alex.

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100%.

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These conservative propagandists.

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Absolutely.

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These right-wing propagandists.

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These people doing it, the hackers, they're not doing it, I don't think, in order to be

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of service to Alex.

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They're doing it because they want that extortion money.

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Of course.

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You have two teams working out of sorts with each other.

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They are creating that which Alex needs, but they don't give a shit about that.

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They want their money and they'll disappear as soon as the money isn't there.

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Of course.

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That's kind of what I think.

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The only two thoughts I have on this is, I mean, here's the worst part, against all of

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my better judgment, against my hope that the worst things happen to Alex, I do kind of

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like that he's happy about this.

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He's been so depressed for so long.

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He's been so miserable and it's kind of like, look, this is garbage.

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It's not going to go anywhere.

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You really got to quit.

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But I'm glad you got a day.

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This is the danger, though, of living on a prayer, as Bon Jovi would say.

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He's living for that rush of the narrative.

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Of course.

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Because the world in its real form is so bad and not going the way he wants, he is forced

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to demonize Muslims who throw fireworks and stuff like that, or lionize and make a hero

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out of Bolsonaro, who's someone who he definitely shouldn't.

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He's absolutely made a hero about a racist, rapist, fascist, bigot, monster.

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Yeah, absolutely, fascist, like someone who literally stands for everything Alex's career

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should be against.

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But white people aren't in place if he doesn't really care.

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So like he has to do those things because everything is so bad in a real world place

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for him.

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And this is what's so weird about the world is like it's bad for everyone.

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Like the LGBT community.

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Everyone is, people in general are having a bad time.

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Alex is also having a bad time, as evidenced by how desperate he is to feel happy about

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a cyber extortion group.

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They're doing great, heroes, at the behest of Trump.

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They must be proof of my grand conspiracy that I have been putting forth and I'm mad

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that QAnon is kind of co-opting and I must now reclaim.

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The fact that he's there is just like, you're not having fun either.

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We could all be having fun if we work towards a better future.

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So I don't know, I don't know how to put a button on this, but I'm delighted and also

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sad on equal levels of this beginning to 2019.

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Here's my button.

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Here's my button.

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No, no, no.

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Dark Overlord.

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My button.

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Yeah.

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Raspberry.

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That's a fair button.

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Happy New Year, Dan.

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Thank you.

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Happy New Year.

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The secret of 2019 is...

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The secret to 2019 is Lionel.

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This is not good.

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It's fine.

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I think it's good content and everything.

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And checking in with Alex and seeing where he's at, but if he's bringing this to the

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beginning of the year, I mean, there's like seven to 10 things we've talked about that

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he's just like way off on.

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And then his big story is this cyber espionage group as he's presenting it, which is actually

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a extortion racket.

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Yeah, yeah.

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A group of kidnappers.

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If they weren't extortion blackmailers on the cyber net right now, they would have been

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kidnappers in the nineties when Mel Gibson was making movies about it.

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Spiritually similar.

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Yeah.

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We probably don't have the balls to grab somebody.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's not great.

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It's not a great sign.

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My button is this.

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To Dark Overlord, whether you be a man, a woman, a collective, or your pronoun is different.

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And this was a bad idea because once you start, once you start tossing it, once you start

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tossing nine 11 around and documents proving that it was an inside job, even if you're

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lying, a lot more people are paying attention, man.

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It's true.

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A lot more people are paying attention.

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You, if you're going to cyber store it, dude, keep it on the low level to, to, to, to reference

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playing this game are a little bit more than probably you want to reference a Mike Sheehan

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joke stick with the mid-level terrorists, you know, get, we got three hostages.

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We'll give them to you for 90 grand.

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How about that?

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What do I got to do to get you out of here with a hostage today?

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Like stay in the car dealer, stay in the mid range.

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That's where you want to go.

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Yeah.

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This sort of idea of like, I have proof of the grandest conspiracy at the world's superpower.

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That what that would give you as a power chip is unbelievable.

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The entire world.

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Yeah.

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As a power chip, that gives you the world.

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You now get to choose the next superpower basically.

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Yeah, essentially.

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That's what you do.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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There's no, there's no way.

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You as this hacker get to choose who is the next ascendant power.

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You get, there's no way if you can prove that nine 11 was an inside job, that you don't

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instantly become the most powerful human being on the planet.

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Yeah.

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Because what you do is that you have that which will destroy the superpower.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Yeah.

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Like, yeah.

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Instantaneously.

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There's no way the news cycle doesn't get, Oh, destroyed when they find out that fucking

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G dubs and Cheney orchestrated nine 11.

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And when that happens, we'll talk about it.

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And when that doesn't happen, Alex will stop talking about it.

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Yup.

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Anyway.

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Um, we'll be back with another episode, but for now this has been what Alex is doing in

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the present day.

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I don't know.

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We have a website, knowledgefight.com.

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He's happier in the present day than we've seen him in months.

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Only during that applause thing.

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Only when he's relishing this idea that he has secret information that these, these supposed

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inside Patriots are doing this.

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Right.

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Whether or not it's a fucking extortion racket.

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It is nice to know that consistently about something that's not real, but which doesn't

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count.

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That's what I'm saying.

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The only consistent trend we've seen throughout Alex Jones's entire career is knowing laughter

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presages, him being the most wrong any human being could ever be and him falling ass backwards

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into a criminal investigation.

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Indeed.

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We have a Twitter account as well.

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That's true.

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Uh, we're, we're, our website is knowledgefight.com.

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It is.

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We're on Twitter.

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It's knowledge underscore fight.

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We got a Facebook group called go home and tell your mother you're Lionel.

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That's right.

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Uh, and uh, you will be releasing the Wiki on the site.

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Really need to keep, I'm going to say this on every episode, right?

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I'm going to say this on every episode because there's a part of me that suspects that when

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the seventh comes, you'll say, no, I'm not backing it up.

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I'm not backing out on that.

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I just needed a tiny bit more time.

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January 7th, the most comprehensive and fucking, what, what other adjectives could you say?

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It's not comprehensive.

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Here's why.

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Insanely comprehensive.

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We only far as no one has ever done this shit before.

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And I'll be God damned if your false modesty, it's only incredible.

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It is incredible, but I'm only trying to qualify it in a certain way.

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And that is to say that the only things that will be covered when we launched this are

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the things that we know about.

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And on our show, we haven't covered a great deal of Alex Jones's career.

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So what I would like it to be is a full compendium of everything Alex Jones, but we haven't covered

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his entire career.

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So did you just Robert Gates me?

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No.

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There are no knowns.

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There are known unknowns and then there's unknown unknowns.

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Robert Gates.

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Oh no shit.

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Rumsfeld the man.

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I know.

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God damn it.

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I assumed he was already dead and murdered by a roving band of people who gave a shit

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about the world.

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But there are, there are unknowns, whether known or unknown unknowns.

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And so it would be irresponsible of me to launch into a, like the website and the Wiki

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and all that stuff will cover the information that we are able to cover in a meaningful

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way.

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But to say it's comprehensive, I do appreciate that.

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And I think it's comprehensive to some extent, but I don't want to oversell it and say like,

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cause like we haven't covered the Boston bombing, but Alex's stuff is there and that we will,

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that will be there once we cover it.

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I know.

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That's what I'm saying.

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It's frustrating to me that so many fucking, the caveat needs to be there for the listener.

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Look, if the Washington Post is behind a paywall, you can go fuck yourself.

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That is fair.

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That is fair.

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But the information there will be great and yeah, that's coming on the 7th.

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The only reason that I pushed it back is to celebrate the anniversary, which will be Monday,

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which is when our next episode comes out.

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We will have our anniversary episode, man, that's a lot of pressure.

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It'll probably just be 2009.

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I don't know.

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What if we did a clip show?

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Let's do it.

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Oh man.

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As two people who have already on this show said, let's never do a clip show, let's fucking

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do it.

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Like we would do a fucking clip show.

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It'll probably be 2009.

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Anyway, we'll be back.

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We would quit.

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Thank you all so much for listening.

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This has been great.

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Yes, indeed.

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Thank you to all the policy wonks.

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Enjoy.

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I'll say the dark overlord is a hack collective or individual, who knows the precise details

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of it.

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I think that they just extort people.

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Right.

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I don't know if that has ever led anyone to commit suicide for fear of the extortion or

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anything like that, but I will say that they have never committed the act of murder.

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Probably not.

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Never actually physically killed anybody.

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Or at the very least, probably technically not.

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But one guy technically probably has, and that guy is named Alex Jones.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.