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Dan
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and Jordan
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I am sweating
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Israel
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It's time to pray
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I have a great respect
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for knowledge
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knowledge
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I am sick of them posing as if they are the good guys
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telling me we are the bad guys
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Knowledge Fight.
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Dan and Jordan.
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Knowledge Fight.
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Riddler, Riddler, Riddler.
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Ah, need, need money.
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Riddler, Riddler, Riddler.
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Andy and Kansas.
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Andy and, Andy.
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Stop it.
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Andy and, Andy and Kansas.
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Andy, Andy.
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It's time to pray.
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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a fish and color.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your room.
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Knowledge Fight.
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Knowledge Fight.
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Knowledgefight.com.
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I love you.
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Hey, everybody.
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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
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I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes.
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I'd like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene,
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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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I have a quick question for you.
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today, buddy?
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It's December still, so why don't you go first?
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It is December.
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My bright spot, I think, is since we already know
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where your bright spot's headed, for the both of us,
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I will choose our amazing live shows in Portland.
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What fun.
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It could not have gone better.
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We made a lot of comments and insults
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about the rain on Thursday.
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Definitely true.
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It was still a lot of fun, and it wasn't that bad.
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It was an experience, too.
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It was an interesting experience,
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even if it wasn't perfect.
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And then Friday's show is incredible.
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Everybody's, it was just great.
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Yeah, meeting people was a lot of fun, and everyone is,
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I think, I assume everyone had a good time.
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It seemed like it.
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But I'll say that my bright spot, my bright, bright spot
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is this.
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Not to put the venue's business out there,
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but in times, many venues have had
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to deal with frustrating audience members who
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are causing problems, right?
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So they got security, and they got all this stuff.
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And they had asked us whether or not we needed anything.
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And I told the guys, before the show even started,
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you won't need to worry about our audience, right?
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People are generally pretty chill.
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Probably going to be cool.
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On Thursday, 10 minutes before our show,
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I'm in the little side there, off
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to the side of the stage.
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The alcove.
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Just looking out, seeing all the people
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wandering, and an independent security guy,
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and just out of nowhere, pops up and he's like,
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I got to say, your audience is the nicest group of people
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we have had in here in I don't know how long.
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Also, here are some cookies someone gave you.
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Absolutely, yes, 100%.
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And it was Thursday, so they're like, even with the rain,
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we would be like, oh, somebody's mad about it.
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Everybody was unfailingly polite and trying
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to help other people first.
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Yeah, that was very wonderful.
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It doesn't get better than that.
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It just doesn't.
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Yeah, definitely.
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The venue was fantastic as a whole,
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and they didn't need to fight anybody,
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but it still provided all the security and infrastructure
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that just let everything go so smooth.
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It's just awesome.
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You picked a good one.
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Yep, we worked it out this time.
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Yeah, just a blast, also.
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I love to get out of town.
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We need to do more of that.
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Portland's awesome.
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People are great.
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Yeah, we got to travel more.
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Yep, so we should.
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It's weird, because nobody ever asks
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us to go to where they live.
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Everybody's like, stay away from us.
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Don't go to places like Atlanta or anything like that.
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It's weird.
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Well, we can't go to Atlanta because of the pyramids.
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That is true.
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Right.
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That is true.
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That is a thought that we had.
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And I do have a really good idea for an episode in Atlanta
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with those pyramids.
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But we can't go.
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Yeah, oh well.
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So anyway, thank you for finding the venue,
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putting all those pieces together.
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Of course.
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Crushed it.
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Thank you, everybody, for coming out.
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And thank you for putting on some great shows, Dan.
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Good times.
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Good times.
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All right, what's your Bright Spot?
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Well, it is December.
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OK.
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And even though Advent calendars only last 24 days,
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I have a leftover cheese here from the Advent calendar,
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because I didn't end up eating all of them.
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Ate most of them.
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I didn't eat all of them.
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And so we have another installment of cheese.
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I've had some of the big cheeses.
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That is really big, folks.
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This is a big old cheese.
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That is a really big cheese.
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Thank you to Morgan for sending in that sound drop.
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Nice.
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I got here one of the Advent calendar cheeses.
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And this, my friend, you know we've had a mature Gouda.
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Sure.
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This is an immature Gouda?
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Oh, this is a mature Gouda.
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That is not an immature Gouda.
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No, but it's just a Gouda.
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So that implies that it is not mature.
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That's a good point.
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If you have mature Gouda.
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If you require a modifier, then the modifier
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does seem necessary.
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This is youthful Gouda that is just out of control.
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Doesn't understand the value of a dollar.
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Doesn't think that it'll get old one day.
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Still smokes a pack a day.
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Immature Gouda.
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Yeah, disgusting.
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But it's an immature Gouda with mustard seed.
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So I'm excited to try this.
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And this is the part where I open this up and Jordan vamps.
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Well, I am glad to vamp today, because
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at the end of the year, I like to check out
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people's top music lists.
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And for the most part, they are usually terrible.
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And I feel like an old, old man.
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But there's a new person to me.
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I don't know if they're new at all,
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but their name is Anastasia or Anastasia
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or whatever you want to call it.
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And they sound like a mixture of Nina Simone and Tom Waits.
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The album is Tether and it is one of the best
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that I've listened to.
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I don't know how many times in a row now,
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because this voice is incredible.
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It is astonishing.
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And I can't stop listening to it.
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Nice.
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Yeah, listen to that voice.
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I don't love that cheese.
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I believe you, it's very immature.
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I think that one of these cheeses with peppercorns,
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that adds a lot.
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I don't know if mustard seeds give you the same.
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I don't know if it compliments as well.
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Yeah.
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I don't love it.
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The peppercorn kind of bursts when you break it.
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The seed kind of smooshes.
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Doesn't the seed kind of mush?
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Yeah.
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It's a difference.
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Not the best.
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So I also looked at someone's year-end list.
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Oh yeah?
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Yep.
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And I discovered this little indie band, Chicago.
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You ever heard of them?
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I have heard of Chicago.
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They're named after the city we live in.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's easy to remember their name really.
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Very obscure band.
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A lot of horns.
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Yes.
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Big horn band.
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Yep.
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Some awful, awful ballads.
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Yep.
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So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
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We're gonna be talking about December 2nd, 2025.
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Jumping back into normal times.
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No audience in front of us.
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Nope.
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Just doing the work.
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And because we are back to a normal situation here,
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we should start with saying hello to some wonks.
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Ooh, that's a great idea.
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So first, Jules Makes Games,
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developer of the Outbreak story.
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Thank you so much, you and I have policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next, Harry Ascarak.
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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And the Baron Von Ricken, Bowen, Ticken, Pocken,
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plus one to the Poppen party at Bohemian Grove
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is reserved for Milica Milica Momo.
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Thank you so much, you are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And we have Technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
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So thank you so much to Josh C.
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Thank you for moderating the Facebook group.
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You've put in a lot of work
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to do the most thankless job you can find.
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Well, here's your reward.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars, go home to your mother
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and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomized, sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser, little titty baby.
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I don't wanna hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much.
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Yeah, thank you very much.
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So December 2nd, we are here in the last month of the year.
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Shit's bad.
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Nah.
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It's going great.
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Trump's covering up the Epstein file stuff.
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The deadline is a couple of weeks away.
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Right.
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The deadline's in the past
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and yet somehow we still haven't hit it.
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Well, we did hit one and then, yeah, huh.
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At this point, the imagined deadline
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is a couple of weeks away.
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And so there's kind of a little bit
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of breathing room on that stuff.
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Maybe a little bit less poking.
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Sure.
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Marjorie Taylor Greene has resigned.
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Still resigned.
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Venezuela looks bad.
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Coming up.
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And so this is the situation we find ourselves in.
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As Alex is on the show and he starts
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with a little bit of audio from Trump's press conference.
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All right.
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Or no, it's a cabinet meeting that he's doing.
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Japan a lot.
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We just had, Toyota's gonna spend $10 billion
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they just announced on building new plants in this country.
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It's gonna be our workers.
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It's gonna be our workers.
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That's the ongoing cabinet meeting he's having
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and I just noticed as we were going live,
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he was talking about how great the economy is
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and cheerleading American business,
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which is important to get foreign investment
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into the country.
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But for the average American, he told them,
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oh, I'll be able to cut inflation back overnight.
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And I said, that's a campaign promise.
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He's not gonna be able to do that very quickly.
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They can slow it and get a lot of new jobs
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and get pay up, which will balance out,
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which is the policy.
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Cool.
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Which is the policy or stagflation,
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depression with inflation, which is the great reset,
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which is what the globalists want.
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So instead of explaining that to people,
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he just gets up and says, we have the best economy ever,
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best economy in the world.
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So Alex's take on Trump here is that he's trying
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to court foreign investment by lying to
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and gaslighting the American public into thinking
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that the economy is better than it is.
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Further, Alex is clearly accepting that Trump rose to power
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by making cynical false promises
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about how he could fix the issues that impact the public,
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just like every other politician in history.
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Alex didn't say that the fixing inflation was a,
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this is a campaign promise.
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This is just rhetoric.
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That's not what he said at the time.
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No, in fact, he was promising things during the campaign,
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rhetorically.
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It sounds to me like Alex is describing an elitist liar
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who wants to use the power of the state
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to enrich multinational corporations
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while ignoring the economic factors
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that hurt everyday people,
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which is not surprising for Trump,
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unless you believed that the version Alex's
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pretended exists is real.
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Yeah, I mean, I'm fine.
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You got bamboozled.
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We all get bamboozled.
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You believed it in the past that happens.
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You know, what are you gonna say?
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Sure.
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You made a mistake.
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Change, grow, move on.
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I just don't understand how, even if you like Trump,
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generally, you would listen to him and go,
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I should believe what he's saying.
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Right?
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Like if it's something you like or don't like,
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you should just be like, hey, I don't believe you.
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I think this guy's the best man for the job,
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but I don't believe any words he's saying.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Honestly, I mean like the lesser of two evils
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type arguments, they're always pathetic.
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Sure.
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But it's legitimately the only one that makes sense anymore.
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Hey, there's just nothing else to say.
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He's a piece of shit.
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Right.
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The fuck do I hate the other people?
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What else is there to say?
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I know he's a piece of shit.
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Yeah.
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The wool is away from everyone's eyes.
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Undeniable.
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This is a turd gleaming in the sun.
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We all see it.
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But I guess, what about our emails, man?
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It could be worse is basically the only sales pitch
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we have left.
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Yep.
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So the base, and I think Alex assesses this fairly
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accurately, is just kind of tired
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that Trump keeps lying to them.
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Yeah.
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But he really should stop telling people,
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and I've had raspies and pollsters on who are the best,
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everybody.
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This is what pisses people off.
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And when I criticize Trump, it's to get him to course
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correct, which they're doing more and more.
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But man, he just loves to talk about the 18 trillion
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committed and the 6, 7, 8 trillion that's already now
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being invested.
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And that's gonna be great in a year or so.
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But it's not here yet.
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Yeah, they're building these factories, chip factories,
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car factory stuff everywhere.
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It's definitely coming back.
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Trump vowed to end inflation.
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His voters aren't growing impatient.
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Yeah, big time.
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People are ordering smaller pizzas and fewer toppings.
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What does that tell us?
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Oh no.
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If you cut through all the bullshit,
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what Alex is saying is that the base is sick of Trump
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lying to their face about things that they're personally
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experiencing.
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He can crow about how great the economy is,
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but they're buying pizzas with less toppings on them.
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So what if some American billionaires are getting richer?
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The reality of Trump's gold toilet and fraud lifestyle
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is finally catching up to the folks who have been forced
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to pretend that his political beliefs were ones
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that helped the working person.
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The populist illusion is becoming impossible
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for the base to accept.
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And that's a huge problem for Alex.
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In order to keep supporting him as a media surrogate,
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Alex needs Trump to tone down the pompous narcissism
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and act more like a normal president.
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But Trump never was that and was never going to be.
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It's stuff like this where Alex is thinking he can just yell
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at Trump and he'll course correct that make me suspect
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that Alex didn't fully understand the game he was playing
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with Trump and Roger.
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I wouldn't be too surprised if Alex thought
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they were gonna do all the chaotic stuff
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and it would be an elaborate strategy to facilitate
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the white identity takeover of the government
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and that they would start operating efficiently and smoothly
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once that takeover had happened.
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Amazing.
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I don't think he realized that the chaos
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and being an asshole thing was never going to stop.
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That is who these people are.
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I think he thought, like, isn't it a brilliant strategy?
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The libs can't stop crying.
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I mean, I don't know how better to describe,
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or how better to elucidate how bad an idea it is
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to just like trigger the libs as a political ideology
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other than to say, look, this is what happens
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when you're triggering is your entire political ideology.
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A thief and a con man.
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That's it.
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And I think that if someone on the left
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had not a lot, or maybe no substance past like,
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fuck, the right wingers are pissed at this guy.
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What value does that have?
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I really don't think you'd get a lot of traction.
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You might become a social media star or something.
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You might get a following on Twitter.
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But I don't know if there's a voter base for just like...
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Do you know what?
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I think you've just, I think you've hit your nail.
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No, no, no, I think you've kind of hit
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the nail on the head, right?
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The limits of social media star on like a quote,
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liberal kind of perspective will not be president.
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Probably not.
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On the right wing, social media star means
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you could become president.
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And king.
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Yeah, absolutely, and king.
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I made a ha sound because I realized like Gavin Newsom
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has been trying to do that acting like Trump online thing.
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And that was specifically just to make right wingers mad.
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But I also think there was some backlash
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from people even on the left.
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They're like, why are you doing this?
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What are you doing?
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You're not making people who you want to like you, like you.
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You're an asshole.
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There isn't governing value in this.
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No, that's the problem.
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Yeah, so Alex has a guest coming on
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and it's an exciting guest.
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It's an avant garde guest and it's a Nazi guest.
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God damn it.
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Nick Fuentes, very controversial individual,
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will be joining me in the third and fourth hour today
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to discuss and debate different world events
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and how he sees the midterms coming up.
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His analysis of the Trump administration,
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his take on the fact that Israel
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and its undue influence in the United States
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is now one of the major front burner issues.
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We will talk about a lot with Nick
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coming up in the third and fourth hour.
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And you saw the big controversy
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when Tucker a month ago interviewed him
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and folks trying to cancel Tucker.
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You can't have the left saying Christians, Catholics,
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and whites are inherently evil and bad.
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And I've got big compilations here of that.
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You've all seen it everywhere.
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And then when somebody turns around and says,
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fine, I'll be race-based back against you
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and then say they're the devil.
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It is the globalist, it is the universities,
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it is the left that created this climate
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and Nick Fuentes is mild compared
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to where a lot of people are going.
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So Tucker Carlson was, until recently,
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the highest watched and paid anchor on Fox News.
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He's someone with a decade-spanning career
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in mainstream broadcast journalism
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and he's friends with the president
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as well as most of the administration.
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He gives keynote speeches at Turning Point events
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in front of arenas and recently held a tour
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of his own events where he interviewed thought leaders
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of the extreme right wing,
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like Russell Brand, Alex himself, and Trump's son.
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There's no equivalent of him that Alex can play
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in any compilation who's saying that white people
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or Christians are inherently evil,
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nor is there any equivalent of him Alex can come up with
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who's giving friendly interviews to people who say
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that white people or Christians are evil.
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I'm sure that there's some kind of random people on TikTok
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or maybe even people with sizable audiences
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that say that kind of shit.
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But in terms of a figure who's accepted
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as part of the mainstream of broadcasting,
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who's personally associated with all of the power structure
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and whose dad was apparently in the CIA,
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there's no one close.
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If someone online, if they're being racist
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against white people, that sucks and they shouldn't do that
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but it doesn't justify interviewing and being friends
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with explicit white supremacists.
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You can't just say they started it
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and then everything is cool.
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Yeah.
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We've been doing this show for a long time
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so it's very clear to us that Alex's message
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has always been rooted in white identity
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and that Nick is exactly the sort of person
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he would want to promote.
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He's struggled to get Nick to speak
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in more PC coded language so he wouldn't scare off
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some of the more normy people left
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in the Infowars audience.
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But it's become clear that isn't happening
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and that Nick has no reason to moderate his message at all.
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Other figures bend to him, not the other way around.
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So if Alex wants to continue this association with Nick,
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the thing to do is explain to the audience
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how racism is totally cool
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and loving it doesn't make you a racist.
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If someone else is racist to you,
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you get to be racist back as a defense.
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It makes perfect sense.
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So anyway, the point here is that Alex can't even
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really hide what he's doing anymore.
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Trump won't stop lying and covering up
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sex trafficking networks so Alex has to justify
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lying and covering up sex trafficking networks.
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Nick won't calm down with his very obvious racism
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so Alex just has to justify being cool with racists
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and hanging out with them and thinking
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they're right about stuff.
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He thinks he's hiding a ball with this kind of talk
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but he's really just showing people who he's always been.
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It's just now there's nowhere left to hide.
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Yeah, it is like when you are revealing
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that you have to sit down and imagine a scenario
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that makes this okay and the scenario you come up with
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is so cinematically ridiculous that you,
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literally he's requiring a cigar chomping movie villain
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to be like, and we will end Christianity
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in order to justify his friends existing regularly.
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That's insane.
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That's the only thing that would kind of make it okay
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for me to do this interview so that's the world we live in.
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Right, it hasn't occurred to you that that is so far insane
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that what you're revealing is how fucking racist
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you really are.
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Yeah, and how much you know it's inappropriate
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to be doing this.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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We've talked about before, Alex has known the entire time
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that he's known Nick and the Groipers,
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he's known that behind the scenes they fucking love Hitler
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and they're not joking.
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He knows that and he has chosen to ignore that
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because he also wants to expand that message.
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Right, see, okay, see here's why it's okay
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for us to be racist.
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I know it seems bad to you right now
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but there are aliens who are going to kill everybody
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unless it's just white people.
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So do you get it?
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There's only two options, there's just white people
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or everybody dies.
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Well when you put it like that.
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I mean there's no choice right?
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We have to have the species continue
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so it's not racism really.
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Get an Elon Musk ship quicker.
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Right?
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So there's international intrigue going on
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and by that I mean Trump is blowing up boats
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and he shouldn't be.
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It doesn't seem cool.
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Alex loves it.
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A lot of really good questions got asked
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at the Pentagon today by Jack Posobick,
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by Brianna Morello, our reporter and others.
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We've got a lot of that coming up.
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Part of the color revolution is falsely claiming
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that Hegseth is a war criminal
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and that blowing up those drug boats is illegal
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and of course it's not.
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That's all part and parcel of this.
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The argument that's made in favor of blowing up
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these Venezuelan boats is that they're carrying
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lots of drugs which will end up killing US citizens
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if they aren't blown up.
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The people on board have no rights
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because they're trafficking drugs in a way
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that Trump has decided make them terrorists
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so they can be killed indiscriminately.
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Obviously I disagree with this but if Alex accepts
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that killing people in those boats is just and legal,
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why did he ever have a problem with the war in Afghanistan?
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It wasn't the whole story but folks like Tucker
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in the past justified fighting the Taliban
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by pointing out that they were responsible
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for a large chunk of the international opium production
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and that was killing America.
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It's so totally crazy how often it's okay
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for people to kill other people
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as long as they're doing something to us.
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Sure.
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Abstractly.
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Yeah.
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Maybe.
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It was to Alex's credit that he didn't accept this
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as a justification for war in the 2000s
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but here we are 20 years later
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and it's pathetic to see where he's ended up.
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If he believes that the United States military
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can indiscriminately blow up boats
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and kill whoever it wants,
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then every criticism that he's ever made
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of US militarism falls apart.
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And so many of the things that were like,
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oh, he makes a good point there.
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It's like, well, no, he clearly didn't mean it.
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Didn't mean a fucking word of it.
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That was about something else.
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Yeah, it is like the concept of thought leader
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reveals itself to be fucking stupid
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whenever you realize these people are just following along
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with what is popular at the time.
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You know, like, oh, oh no, it's good, we're alive.
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Fuck off.
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Just ridiculous.
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And I find it to be really, just deeply troubling.
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Because I think that, like, okay,
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I think that there's no excuse to blow up these boats.
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And I think that arguing in favor of it
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is something that like, what can't the military do then?
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When?
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Like at what point can Alex really have a problem
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with them like doing a false flag even?
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And why don't they have to prove it?
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Yeah.
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You know, like if you're just willing to take them
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by their word, then what else have they said to you?
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You know, like why wouldn't anything be okay?
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Yeah, there's a lot of criticism that should go around
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for all kinds of, you know, particularly the violent things
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that our governments do.
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Right.
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And I think that giving a pass on something so awful
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as this, where it's such a easy,
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it's such an easy level to get to, to be critical of.
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Right.
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It means that you'd sign off on just about anything.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, and with drugs, specifically,
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because we have seen them in our lifetime
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change from legal to illegal and back to legal
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and back to illegal, right?
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Revealing the arbitrary nature of their legality
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means that this is by no means a moral decision.
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No.
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This could be, this drug could be legal tomorrow.
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And they still wouldn't apologize
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for blowing up the boats yesterday.
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And.
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It's not a moral thing.
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Yeah, if the drug were accessed in a different way,
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it might be illegal tomorrow.
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Yep, absolutely.
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And we would treat the problem entirely differently.
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Either way.
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It's just an easy thing.
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Again, either way, Donald Trump is murdering people
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and will get away with it however often he wants.
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Cool.
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Yeah.
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So this next clip is what I would describe
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as a real anti-Muslim rant.
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Great.
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Good stuff.
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Pretty gross.
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Yay.
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Pretty gross.
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You know, over 80% of the military age males
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have come into Europe.
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It's the same number.
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Some countries are up to 90.
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They never get a job.
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They either wear track suits or the nightgowns
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that they wear.
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Or women wear the beekeeper outfits.
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And they just create no-go zones
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and just sit around on welfare
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and then deal drugs and run sex slavery
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because we're caffers or infidels
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and so they're allowed to sell us drugs,
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put us in sex slavery because we're subhuman.
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You mean to play a bunch of their newscasts,
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national Islamic TV around the world saying that?
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I mean, that's what's going on.
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But they don't allow the jihadis in Saudi Arabia
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or Jordan or Egypt, no.
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They're exported here by the leftist NGOs
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to further destabilize the country.
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And it's a real shame because the Middle East,
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until the rise of Muhammad,
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1400 years ago, had some of the greatest science,
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greatest art, greatest architecture, culture.
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I mean, it was at the top.
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Just leaps and mounts.
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And as soon as Rome fell,
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the Middle East was becoming dominant
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just through culture and science.
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And then in comes Muhammad and wrecks it all.
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That doesn't sound true. Absolutely wrecks it.
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That seems- And then the inbreeding starts
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and the low IQs and the deformities
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and all the rest of it.
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I find that strange to believe.
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And the Arabic Muslims went and sacked
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all the other kingdoms around them
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where the people looked just like them,
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but they were cultured.
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And that's what's so sad about it.
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It is sad. It is sad.
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They destroyed it.
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I don't even care to engage with the bigot shit
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Alex is putting out here,
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but I want to bring attention to one thing.
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If Alex believes this, I struggle to see why
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he doesn't just say that being Muslim should be illegal.
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I don't think he sees it as a religion,
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which means that there wouldn't be a conflict
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with the First Amendment if he wanted to just come out
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and say we should ban Islam.
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Like, I don't understand what-
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And we should label anybody who is Islamic a terrorist.
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And we should, anybody who's found holding a Quran
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should be arrested and et cetera, et cetera.
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Well, God damn it, we're Nazis again. Shit.
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I honestly don't think that there's much air
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between those two, like where he's at with this.
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And I think that sucks.
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I think he's a real asshole.
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Here's where I'm thinking, right?
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At this point, it's about to be 2026.
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This whole America country, been going on for a while now.
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Some patterns have developed.
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For instance, a first-generation immigrant from anywhere
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will be called a welfare-sucking,
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sex worker person monster, right?
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And this has been true since 1790?
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Yeah. This has been true since 1680.
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This has been true whenever a set of colonists were like,
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oh, we're going to be in Georgia.
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And they were like, oh, those guys are all rapists.
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Like that's it.
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Why don't we have it in our brochure
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for prospective immigrants?
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Like, hey, our idiots, we tried.
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Did we try?
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Not really. We put them in charge.
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But anyways, our idiots are going to call you names.
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This is like part of the onboarding process.
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Absolutely.
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And you got to do your citizenship paperwork.
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You got to do that.
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And then there's the like waiver.
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There's like, our idiots are just fucking stupid, man.
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There's nothing we can do.
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We apologize.
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They're heavily armed and we can't stop them.
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And then we gave them control of the government.
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So we've made mistakes.
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Anyways, welcome to Kansas.
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Sure.
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I think that one of the funny things about this jag
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that Alex goes on is that later Nick comes on
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and he's like, there is no real problem with Muslims
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in the United States.
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Oh.
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It's the Jews.
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Yeah. We're both smart.
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We're both smart.
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See, you're dumb.
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You think it's Muslims.
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I think it's Jews.
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We both arbitrarily chosen people
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from somewhere else to hate.
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Yeah.
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Hooray!
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But his perspective on that
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like fully takes the wind out of Alex's sales.
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Yeah.
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It's just like, why are you so scared of this thing
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that I am telling you is not a problem?
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It is interesting because it's like a,
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it's like a, who are you scared of off?
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You know, like, oh man, it's Muslims who are going to kill.
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You loser.
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Muslims can't do shit.
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It's the Jews who are coming after you.
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Hey, hey, both of you shut up.
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The Indians are coming.
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Yeah. It's like a debate club kind of thing going on
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between a debate kid and a drunk guy
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who's not supposed to be at the school.
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Yeah. I'm afraid of spiders now.
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You idiot, it's scorpions.
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Fuck you.
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Yeah. They have more legs on a spider.
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More legs on a spider, but the tail.
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So Nick is coming in and Alex reveals a little bit
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about how he likes to think about the boy.
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The crew made this ridiculous graphic,
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which I love.
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I'm Batman and Nick Fuentes is Robin.
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Nick's joining us here in about 53 minutes from now.
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So there you go.
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That should be an interesting discussion debate
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coming up in the third and fourth hour today.
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And I'm going to have them post that image
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above the live feed on X
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and point out the Nick's on at about 50 something minutes.
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And that please post your questions in that post under it.
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And then guys print me off some of the questions
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or comments or statements
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so that we can do that on air with Nick.
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We're going to post that again,
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right on top of the live show feed at the top of X.
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So you see that post,
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you just put your comments or questions in there.
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We'll print them off and I'll read those on air with Nick.
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That way I'm not the one captain of the ship here.
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You the listeners and the viewers are.
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I want to take as little responsibility
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for this as possible.
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Now I think that Batman and Robin have a partnership.
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I think that there's a mutual respect that the two have.
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And I think that Nick does not respect Alex at all.
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I think the imagining himself to be Batman
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to Nick's Robin is insane.
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Unless you think like, well,
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it's Robin's job to steal the Batcave.
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If Batman has associated with Robin
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for the sake of turning the Batcave into a Nazi hideout,
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Right, right, right, right.
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Then yeah.
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Like the Batman comes home and then slowly over time
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is like, all this Batman iconography used to have more bat
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and now it seems like a bunch of lines.
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Oh, that's the Nazi symbol, isn't it?
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Oh no.
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I did some remodeling Batman.
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But then Robin was like,
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Hey, have you considered though
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that we're kind of exploiting the socioeconomic difference
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between us and the people that we describe
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as having a quote unquote life of crime.
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And so maybe actually we are the Nazis in the first place
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and then Batman's like, you're right.
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And then they just go back to work.
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Robin, I noticed that all of your thugs,
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why do you have thugs now by the way?
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Why do you have thugs Robin?
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And they're all bald.
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Yeah.
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Is that a coincidence?
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Yeah.
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Their heads, I can see the skin.
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Yeah.
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So I think that there's a fascinating glimpse there
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into how the audience or at least the staff
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of Inforz wants to paint Alex's relationship with Nick
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and how much he wants to sign off on that.
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Yeah.
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And it's pathetic.
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Well, I mean, I am Batman.
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Right.
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Sure you are, man.
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So Alex goes to calls and one of the things that comes up
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is the Venezuela situation.
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And the people are pretty reluctant to support this.
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I think Alex's...
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Do you mean just random blow up ups?
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Alex's audience, I don't think is super interested in a war.
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Right.
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Because they were told this is whole like peace candidate.
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Right.
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Really against the war.
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Yeah.
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And so Alex has to defend it a little.
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They are, they are.
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And we can see how they use the special ops group
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that went into Venezuela to overthrow Maduro
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on a secret note.
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I just, like you said, we need to send the military in there
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and we just need to stay away from the special forces
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because I think that's where the PSYOPs gonna take place.
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Well, it's not just the special forces,
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it's the CIA advising them to set them up.
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Overall Trump has the power to do regime change
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as a constitutional.
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My problem is the setup of getting bad intel from the CIA.
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And you have a setup that happened about three weeks ago
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where they put a fake group in and then rolled it up,
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embarrass Trump.
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Absolutely.
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That's the issue.
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Thank you.
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So Trump has the ability to do regime change.
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He can do regime change.
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He, not the government or like an act of Congress
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can declare war, nothing like that.
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Trump can do regime change.
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Alex just doesn't want the CIA to trick him
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and make him look bad or something.
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I can't imagine this squaring with the views
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that Alex is supposed to have.
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Yeah.
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Okay, now this wasn't on purpose.
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I'm not describing this to anybody's brilliance
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or capability whatsoever, not even competence.
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But I find it interesting that because of the propaganda
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that's gone on for so long about Obama being a dictator
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during those years where everything was ascribed to him,
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it was Obamacare, it was why is Obama doing this?
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Why is Obama doing, you know, like all of that
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reinforced for the people who consumed it
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that the president is the king already, right?
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So one section of the world got news that only said,
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well, the president is a king.
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And then the rest of us got news that was like,
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Congress is keeping him from doing stuff, you know?
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Yeah, and I think what you're saying,
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I think is a danger that we still exist in.
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Sure.
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You know, like with the, Trump is kingly in a lot of ways.
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Right.
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In his behaviors, but he's not just a unitary,
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like a single thing.
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Exactly.
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And so I do try to be conscious of saying
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like the Trump administration.
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Sure.
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You know, that collective noun that was used as Obama.
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Right, right, right, right.
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I do think you're right, that there is like
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an amount that that plays into how justified it feels
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to do it now.
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Right, why wouldn't we do it?
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They were doing it first.
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Right, it's normalized.
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Now, regardless of the fact that they fucking weren't
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and that it was all a gigantic lie perpetrated
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to get us to this exact point that we are now.
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Yeah. Sure.
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And I think that that's the danger that you have with like,
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you know, doing it again.
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Yeah.
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Is like you justify worse governance next, you know?
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Yeah, yeah.
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And then the next thing you know, you're saying stuff like,
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only a king can kill a king.
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And then you're like, ah, fuck, we're too far gone.
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Unless we get dragons.
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Yeah, then dragons would make up a lot of the difference.
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Yeah.
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So we get another call and it's a guy who's like,
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did you know that Trump is actually a Jewish supremacist
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and a member of the Masons?
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I did not know that.
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And Alex has been talking to this guy
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for a really long time.
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Yeah.
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And so he can't be mean to him.
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Yeah.
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And so that's not good.
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Uh-oh.
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Alex, the problem we've all had
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and the reason we're pulling our hair out,
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trying to figure out is Trump with us or against us
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is that he flew under a false flag to get into office.
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He said he was MAGA, but he's hopelessly conflicted.
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He is a member of PABAD, a Jewish supremacist organization,
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as Henry Maykow points out in his book, Illuminati 4.
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And he's also a Freemason,
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which also is a Kabbalah light.
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So his allegiance is first and foremost to Israel,
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which is why he went ahead and bombed Iran,
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despite the fact that he had no congressional cover
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to do that.
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I mean, it was a war crime actually
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to bomb a country that had done absolutely nothing to us.
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So-
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Are you a doctor?
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You've been on a call for like 25 years, right?
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That's right.
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Yeah, so you're a smart guy.
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You've been calling 25 years.
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You're a member of the...
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You said, I didn't...
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Trump is a Mason.
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Where's the proof of that?
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Again, it's from Henry Maykow,
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who was himself in these organizations.
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He knows, speaking of that Trump is on board.
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You also have to understand, as he points out,
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Maykow does in his book,
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a former member of Chabad, a former Freemason,
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that Netanyahu was trained from his birth in Philadelphia
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by the Rothschilds using satanic ritual abuse.
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He's on a suicide mission for Israel.
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And I don't know if the Israeli people understand that,
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what he's doing here,
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just indiscriminately slaughtering Palestinians.
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And I don't know if Trump understands that either.
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Well, nothing against Henry Maykow,
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but people write books saying I'm Bill Hicks.
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So Henry Maykow is an anti-Semitic fuck and an idiot,
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but Alex has gotten himself into a strange predicament here.
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Because this caller is somebody who's called for 25 years.
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That's insane.
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He's a doctor.
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Yeah.
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That's also insane.
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Alex is giving him credibility.
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That's insane.
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But he's saying something that Alex cannot accept.
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Because it's insane.
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Because it's insane.
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Trump flew a false flag into office.
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Insane.
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Because if we accept that as a possibility,
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you know who else was flying that flag?
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You bet.
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Alex.
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You bet.
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Roger Stone worked for him.
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You got it.
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There's no chance that Trump could fly a false flag
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and Alex not be aware of it.
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I wouldn't be guilty by association.
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I would be an accessory.
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I am part of the crime.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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And so Alex is like, that's not good.
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This is not a good call to take.
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No, no, no, no, no, no.
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I think this is emblematic of how bad I am at like,
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I guess maintaining a con or a lie or something.
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You know, like if it was me, I would be like,
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man, buddy, I got my money from you.
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Now we gotta stop it.
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It's all bullshit.
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This is all bullshit, man.
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I've been, this is bullshit.
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I'm outta here, right?
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And it would be because this call is so sad.
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You've been listening for how long?
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25 years.
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And you've said that to me.
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I think it's-
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You've been listening to me talk for 25 years
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and then you said that to me?
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Yeah.
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That's crazy.
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Well, I think that there's something about like
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the incremental change that has to play a role in it.
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Cause if you've listened to this show for 25 years,
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then you've just heard Alex saying that the president
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can do regime change and that it's fine
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to blow up these boats.
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And if you've listened for 25 years,
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that's out of sync with the positions
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you're supposed to hold sacred.
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So you have to be changed by the content
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that you're listening to over time to like stay into it.
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You can't listen for 25 years and have a consistent position.
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Yeah, here's what I find.
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Okay, maybe this is an actual fascinating insight
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into where we are in the present, right?
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This guy has been listening through all these years.
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He's not like us.
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He hasn't been like, ah, I hate you.
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He's been in it, right?
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And now here we are.
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And his response to all of this change
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and all of this stuff is the brain scramblies.
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Trump was never even MAGA the whole time.
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Like he's gone.
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It's too far gone.
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There's nothing.
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It's the desperate need to add a new layer
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onto the conspiracy that explains away
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why you feel totally confused by-
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Full on gone.
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Full on gone cause I've invented Trump
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as a secret Mossad Mason who was fake MAGA.
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But Alex can't really do much with this guy.
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He can't be that mean to him
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cause they've been buddies for decades.
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And so he just gets a little bit frustrated
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and reveals how dumb he is.
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So where is Trump converted to Judaism?
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Where's Trump a Mason?
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I just saw him write some books saying.
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He went to the funeral celebration,
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the death anniversary of the Lubavitcher Rebbe,
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Menachem Mendel Schneerson put on his kippah, Trump did,
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and placed his hand on whatever monument
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is there to Schneerson.
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This marks him as a member of Chabad.
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Boom.
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I mean, why would a Christian president put on a kippah
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and celebrate the death of a crazy,
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an obvious rabid Jewish supremacist
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who wants to kill most of the Gentiles
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on the face of the earth
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so that the Jewish race can come into its own.
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So let's just say we're saying it's true.
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So we should vote Democrat.
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No, no, don't put words in my mouth Alex.
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I'm not, I'm not, I'm asking you, what do we do about it?
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Let's just say it's true.
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He's amazing.
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All we can do is.
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This caller has nothing
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and can't defend his points past dumb shit
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that Henry Macau is whined about in his anti-Semitic books.
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But this exchange is fascinating
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because it reveals how little Alex has.
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He thinks that pushing back
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and saying anyone can write something in a book
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is gonna be good enough to shake this guy.
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But then the caller comes back with this story
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and Alex can't really engage with it.
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He's condemned so many people for so much less
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than what this caller is describing.
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And he's based his recent career
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on yelling about spirit cooking and satanic rituals.
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This caller has Alex on the back foot with this
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because if he tries to minimize the seriousness
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or relevance of this Jewish funeral anniversary or whatever,
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it threatens to break the kayfabe
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that Alex's show exists in.
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And so all Alex can say is, what, you wanna vote Democrat?
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That's all he has left in the tank.
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He's more pathetic and lost than any vote blue,
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no matter who MSNBC anchor
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that he would make a whole day out of making fun of.
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He can't argue with this caller who's accusing Trump
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of being a Jewish supremacist Mason
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so his only refuge is lesser of two evils rhetoric.
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Alex has trapped himself in a box
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where the opposition to Trump is the greater of two evils
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by definition because they oppose Trump.
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This has been the cornerstone of his content for years.
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The idea that you know a person by their enemies
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and the devil hates Trump.
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I think it's a big part of what makes him unable
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to break with Trump.
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It's one thing to turn on him and be critical,
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but then what does that mean about all the demons
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who have been saying the same shit for years?
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If virtue is determined by whether or not
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someone supports Trump to the point where you call people
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the pejorative never Trumper,
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that's a term that's an insult.
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Do you have to reassess everything
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when you start like not supporting him?
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Yes.
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Yeah, you have to consider that.
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How could those demons have been right
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about this thing that I'm wrong?
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Yep.
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If I defined you being bad by you being against Trump,
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do I now have to think maybe you weren't bad?
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Right.
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Uh-oh.
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It unravels everything.
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It should, it should.
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But that's the great thing about America
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is that there's a real short memory for shit like that.
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True.
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So a lot of people can just give it a year or two
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and then be like, yeah, actually,
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I was nice to you the whole time.
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Remember how in 2016 in the run up to the election
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when I was like super nice to you about Trump all the time?
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Remember how nice I was?
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And I was like, hey man, I don't know if I trust this guy,
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but at least he's not Hillary.
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You know how I never went further than that?
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You know how I was never like,
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oh, let's spend the next eight years of our lives
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trying to destroy the entire nation?
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I'm such a cool guy now, right?
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You know how I never cried about Trump on air
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and said I would give my life for him?
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I never did that kind of stuff.
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Jesus Christ.
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I never said I was a media surrogate for him.
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I never hung out with Roger Stone.
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If, here's what I love.
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Here's what I love about people.
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And it's something that they'll never be able
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to truly understand, right?
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It sounds totally reasonable to be like,
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what are you gonna vote, Democrat?
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It doesn't sound utterly insane to them
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that a line is just like,
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what are you gonna pick a different guy for four years?
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Like that's it.
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Like you've lived how many years?
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I honestly think that some people
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don't sound insane saying that.
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I think that it, well,
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it depends on your level of engagement with stuff.
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It's also, I think it comes into intersection
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with like how much do you want to care about politics?
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Maybe for some people that is enough engagement.
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But for Alex, for someone who's like a political futurist
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and an analysis, who cogitates with his brain,
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I agree it's pathetic there.
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But that's the thing.
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Like at the very least,
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if you had the slightest bit of imagination
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or integrity to it, you could be like,
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you know what, here's what we do.
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We vote Democrat in certain places to send a message
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because we have to send a message because guess what?
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Me yelling at Trump through the internet isn't doing it.
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No. Right?
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Like at least have another idea other than like,
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well, there's nothing else we can do.
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But I think that risks breaking the kayfabe
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in the same way as being like some ceremonial shit
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isn't ritual or isn't like magic.
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It's like evil devilry or whatever.
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It is a pure, like at a fundamental level,
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the way we think is either going to change
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or we are going to go down with this ship.
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And I think that there is a commitment
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to staying the course on Alex's side for sure.
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Feels like it.
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So Nick Flintess comes around
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and I think right out the gate, Alex seems groveling.
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I think that he is-
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So gross.
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Yeah.
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By the way, I did not come up with me as Batman
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and Nick Flintess is Robin as if I'm the boss.
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The crew did that.
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It's absolutely ridiculous.
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More like I'm George Washington and he's Andrew Jackson.
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It's a generational thing.
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And Nick is having a generational run.
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It's true.
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I met Nick over nine, 10 years ago.
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I thought he was very intelligent, very smart.
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Wasn't as quote radical as he is now.
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Yes, yes he was.
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He was much more secret about it and Alex knew that
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because Millie Weaver hung out with them
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and told him about it and told him not to hang out with Nick.
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But he did anyway.
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I think that there's something really pathetic
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about the way that Batman and Robin image,
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when Nick's not there, pretty fucking cool.
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When Nick is there, hey, I'm not trying to say goodbye Robin.
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I'm not trying to say that you're subordinate to me.
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Come on.
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Cool man.
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I guess Alex watched the Tucker interview
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and realized that Nick's as big as Alex.
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Sometimes when you are watching one of those old,
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medieval age set movies, those old sword
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and fight movies, you know,
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and there's all the kings and stuff and you're like,
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man, this dialogue is really terrible.
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But I would bet you five bucks,
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that guy's got his head on a spike
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by the end of this movie.
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And you're like, let's just skip ahead.
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Skip, skip, skip, skip.
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That's what this feels like.
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It feels like Nick just put a head on a spike already.
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Come on, man.
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Let's just move on.
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Yeah, it's-
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It's taking too long.
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It is.
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Yeah.
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Hey, maybe that has something to do with the bankruptcy
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and Alex's shit being kind of unattainable.
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That's possible, yeah.
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He can't close down even if he wants to.
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So Nick can't put him out of his misery.
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We're all trapped in hell, man.
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Yeah.
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So there's something that Alex is very defensive about
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and that is that everybody is so negative about Trump.
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Maybe we should be negative about the Democrats sometime.
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Sure.
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And I think that when he brings this up
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as a question to Nick,
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Nick has a great answer.
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Big picture, answer this for me.
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Because they can take clips out of context.
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When Trump's doing something good,
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I see you promote it.
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When he does something bad, you put pressure on him.
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But paradoxically, my listeners just want to complain
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about Trump all day, which is fine.
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We take their calls, we do it.
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But how much time should be spent on the Democrats,
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BlackRock, the globalist, Islam?
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Because I also get the saying,
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whenever I cover something with Islam or China or anything,
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it's like, why aren't you exposing Israel?
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It's great to expose Israel.
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It's great that that taboo is over.
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The spell is broken.
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But then now as we enter this new era
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of where we're not just exposing
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and far in controlling influence,
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how do we then promote a new system?
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And then what does that stand for?
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What is America First?
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That's a big question, but I'm sure you can answer it.
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It is a good question.
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And I get asked this question a lot
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because I spent all my time attacking Republicans
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in the right wing and Trump in particular.
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And people say, well, why don't you focus more on the left?
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Or why don't you focus exclusively on the left?
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And to that, I would say we're in power right now.
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We, the Republicans, the Trump movement are in power.
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Trump is in the White House,
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Republicans still as of right now control the House
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and the Senate.
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Allegedly in the first term, they engineered it
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so that we could control the federal judiciary,
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the Supreme Court.
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So without a doubt, we have all the cards,
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we have all the power.
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And I think that when that is the case, especially,
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maybe it's a different story when Biden was in charge,
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I was certainly far more critical of the Democrats
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when he was the president.
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But when Republicans are in charge,
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I really believe we have a special obligation
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to put the heat on Trump and to light a fire under them
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to get the things that they promised to do finished
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because we don't have that much time.
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See, I think this marks a big division
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between Nick and Alex.
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Alex, his shit is so based on victimhood and aggrievement
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that like he can't really acknowledge
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that they have all the power.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Everything is coming up Republican right now.
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Yeah.
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And I think Nick can, I think he can acknowledge that
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and say it's masturbatory to fuck around
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and like complain about AOC all day or whatever.
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Like that's not impacting and moving the ball forward.
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Right.
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We have this small window of time
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where we have all the power.
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Literally all the power.
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And all we can do is make demands
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that that power be wielded.
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Yeah.
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Otherwise, we're just biding our time
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until Democrats get more power.
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And it become, then the people like Trump
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have more excuses not to do the things we want them to do.
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Yep.
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So like, I think his answer makes total sense.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, there's just, there's one criticism
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for Democrats right now.
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And that's when there's a dragon,
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it reveals who is willing to fight it.
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And none of them are willing to fight a dragon.
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So that's where we're at.
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Maybe not none of them are willing,
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but maybe everyone, anyone who's willing
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does not have enough backup and is not equipped.
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The greater the villain demands a greater hero
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and we have no greater heroes.
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That's the better way of putting it.
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I do feel like it feels that way.
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Yeah.
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It stinks.
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And that's not, that's the, if that's your only criticism,
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yeah, heroes are tough to come by buddy.
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You guys are a bunch of assholes.
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But to the clip though, like Nick has a clarity
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of like, this is real.
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Yeah.
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Like what he's talking about is the reason
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that I am much more critical of Republicans
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is because they have all the power right now.
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Yeah.
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And that is who can do the things I want them to do.
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Yeah.
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That's in the real world.
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Alex is not.
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Yeah.
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The two of them talking to each other
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just makes Batman seem delusional
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and Robin seemed like a real gymnast.
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Okay.
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How about this?
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Let me, let me throw this by you.
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All right.
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Now, Alex is from a generation of right wing grifters.
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That existed at a time where everybody kind of assumed
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that the adults were in the room, right?
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So their goal was never going to be the exercise
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or use of power at all.
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Always going to be about appearing to do something.
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That way the adults in the room can have, you know,
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can have their way with our poor asses, right?
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But Fuentes is from a generation of right wing commentators
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that grew up where everybody looked around and was like,
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are there?
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And then the answer was no.
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Right.
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Power is something that you can take and can use.
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Yeah.
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It's something that can be accrued democratically,
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as to say, without the like businesses and stuff online.
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You can, you can accrue this kind of power.
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And he also was pretty young when he was at like the
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Unite the Right rally.
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And like, I know that I've been to big crowds of people
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and there's something anarchic about it.
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Absolutely.
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And if this is more of the model of, you know,
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like I can get power and then we can fuck shit up.
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Right.
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You know, like that is different.
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We can use the power to fuck shit up as opposed to.
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And I can get rich in the meantime.
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Yeah.
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But like.
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Guess what?
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Power and money are basically the same thing.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Whereas I think, yeah, I think Alex's,
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his model is far more like,
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I know that he wants social change,
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but he also wants to be the chronicler.
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Right.
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He wants to be the storyteller that is telling you all.
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We all want social change and yada, yada, yada.
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We all want that stuff, but you know,
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that takes time and that's, and we'll make money
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in the meantime.
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Whereas Nick Fuentes is like, no, if you get power,
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watch this, I can blow up a Venezuelan boat
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and no one will stop us.
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Venezuela can't start a war with me.
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Right.
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And if you get that power, all of the money
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that you're making selling these supplements is nothing.
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Who needs it?
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Compared to what you would be able to.
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Yeah.
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You're vegan too.
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Extort Venezuela.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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And I think, I think that there's a part of it
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that's cynical on Nick's part.
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Sure.
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But it's more connected to the real world
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than Alex ever could be.
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Right.
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And I think it shows.
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Right.
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So Alex asks Nick, like, what do you want?
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And he's like, I want a lot of deportations.
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So what I'm trying to do right now,
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I mean, if you were the president, what would you do?
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If I'm the president, I'm gonna do mass deportations.
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I'm gonna do everything in my power
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to deport as many people as possible immediately.
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And no excuses about, we need to spin up the personnel.
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And I get it.
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I talk to people that are in government
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and I understand some of the problems,
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but we need like a Herculean effort
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to get those deportations up immediately.
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Did you like Trump saying that he's gonna,
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total ban on all third world immigration?
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I thought it was the best statement he's had
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in probably five years, but it's just a statement.
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If he turned that into policy, I'd be happy as a clam.
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And I would be, you know,
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Maganite at the White House, it would be 2016 all over again.
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We're never coming down.
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But the problem is we always just get these like statements.
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Trump gets in trouble in the polls.
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He gets in trouble with his favorability.
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And then we always see that he brings out the red meat
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and he throws us out to the base.
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And it's sort of disturbing
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that he knows exactly what to say.
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Like that was a perfect statement that I would love.
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And so you say to yourself,
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oh, so you do know how to make us happy.
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He knows how to excite the racists
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and get the base all excited.
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Now this is another interesting difference
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between Nick and Alex.
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And that is that Nick is kind of indicting Alex.
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Alex is the person who takes those statements
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and treats them as policy.
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He is the one who's distracting the base
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from whatever the negative poll,
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whatever Trump is in trouble for.
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Nick is calling out the game
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in front of Alex's face a little bit.
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That's pretty...
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I mean, it's the same like with Alex having to be like,
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okay, well here's why it's 4D chess
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for him to not release the Epstein files.
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Whereas Nick can just be like, no, he's in him.
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He's a pedophile, fuck him.
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You know, like, God, I don't understand
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how people don't, I reserve the right to say,
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fuck you to anybody for any reason.
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No shirt, fuck you.
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You know what I'm saying?
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No service, I don't understand this concept of fealty.
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I don't think it's fealty.
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I really don't, I can't think it's fealty at this point.
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Like I don't think, I think Alex is trapped somehow.
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There's no explanation for the level of fucked up-edness
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that he needs to go to, to like keep supporting Trump.
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No, it's crazy.
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Like I don't think there's a blackmail tape
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or anything like that, but like there's some
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financial reason or something,
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cause it's ludicrous that he wouldn't recognize
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that like society is fucked in the brain.
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Social media is a total waste.
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It's fucked everyone up.
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We can make another dictator.
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We can do that.
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We can totally do it.
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Humans have been doing it,
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there was another one like yesterday.
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We'll get a ton of them.
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Yeah, this whole war against the globalists,
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we can transfer that onto some other person
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and we can do this.
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It's not the end of the world if we just get rid of Trump.
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He's become way too much of a problem.
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We pack up, we learn our lesson,
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we bide our time for 20 years.
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Everybody's gonna forget that we're crazy.
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Then 20 years from now, we'll be like,
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ha ha, we figured out how not to say the N word.
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Then we'll be president again.
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It's how it works.
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And Alex is such a stupid, like his show is dumb.
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Like people who are listening to it
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and that take it as really serious information,
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I don't think that they're all that critical.
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That guy just said something about Trump
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being a secret Mossad agent or whatever.
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Because of Henry Macau's blog posts or whatever.
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So like, I don't think that like,
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it's gonna be too hard to wag the dog on that.
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Bring the audience along wherever you need them to go.
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And he's such a sensational dick that like,
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he'll just do a publicity stunt of some kind
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to get attention.
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Like he can, he doesn't need to do this.
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And I don't think it's fealty.
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It's absurd.
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I think that he's just on a hook somehow and Nick isn't.
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And the fact that they exist here in the same space
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and are doing this show makes it so clear.
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Nick is like, when Trump gets in trouble,
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he panders to us racists.
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And Alex is just, when Trump gets in trouble,
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I help him pander to racists.
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Here's what I want, right?
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Cause we can't do it in real life
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on account of we'll all probably die.
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So you know how sometimes in those movies
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where they'll have the person who was at the scene
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of the crime, but then there was a bomb or whatever.
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So they take them to the fake hospital room
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and they've got the whole like fake TV show,
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like, oh, the president has died.
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And the guy's like, ah, our plan succeeded
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and reveals all the evil plans, right?
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I wanna do one of those for Alex,
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but just have a succession of the worst Trump things
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you could possibly imagine.
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Trump goes to your house and fucks your wife
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in front of you and him be like,
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you know, that's a really good plan.
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Like, where is the bottom?
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Where is the bottom?
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Well, based on like the idea that international incidents
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and war crimes are within the purview of the president now.
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Totally fine, he has the right to regime change.
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Yeah, like I don't know what there would be.
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I don't know what the bottom would be.
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Right? Yeah.
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Like that's my only true mystery now about this show
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is like, is it possible for a human being
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to one, not have a bottom?
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Like, is it possible to just eat
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an infinite amount of shit if so asked?
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I think that's the exploration at this point.
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Right? Yeah.
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And watching somebody who thinks they're Batman
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hang out with someone who he thinks is Robin,
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who is actually Bane.
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Yeah.
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And Alex isn't Batman.
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No, Alex is a little baby.
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Bane also can break that baby's back.
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Bane can break all kinds of backs.
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It's just there won't be a comic book about it.
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No, no, it'll be a weird note in a newspaper.
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And a tragedy.
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Bane breaks another child's back.
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Yeah.
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So Bane, Nick, he has a number of points that are good.
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That actually make sense and are tactically sound.
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Right.
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If the right wing does the things that he wants,
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there would be a benefit.
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And here is one of them.
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I think the task of the right is to outflank the left
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on economic populism.
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That's just the answer.
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It's literally that simple
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because the left has a lot of internal contradictions.
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It's not so easy for them.
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Cause you know, there's going to be this like
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Josh Shapiro, Zoran Mamdani problem is what I would call it.
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On the right, we really just need to capitalize
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on the fact that the left is sort of being dragged down
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by the identity politics for them.
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It's like the anti-white grievance politics,
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the radical stuff, the anti-fog, transgender stuff.
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It's really hurting them with a lot of their people.
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But the right just needs to get out of their own way.
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They need to deliver on affordability, housing.
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They can't be telling the voters,
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if you can't afford to live in your city,
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you have to go and move somewhere else
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and work on an oil rig.
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Like that's not going to work.
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So there's opportunity for the right,
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but they have to listen to people like me,
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people like you, people like Tucker.
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They need to kind of hear that we're at a red alert.
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Big opportunities, but also major risks
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if we don't make the smart decisions.
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So that's sort of my crystal ball for 28.
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I think that, you know,
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the left is still not completely fortified yet,
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not consolidated, but they can, and you can see it.
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They're rallying because the right is making
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a lot of unforced errors.
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No reason it should be like this.
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What do you make of Newsom being their main front runner?
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So to be clear, I don't think that the good point
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is that the left is mired in identity politics.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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No, no, no, it's to outflank them on economic populism.
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Absolutely.
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Absolutely, easy.
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And the translation of this really is,
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we need our messaging to go away
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from the attacking identity politics
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because that's not really working for us.
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We have all the power in the world
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and we're not solving the problems that really matter
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to the American public.
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And we're not going to just be able to scream
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about bathrooms or drag queen story time
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and get our way out of this.
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If we expect to win the midterm,
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we must take that position of economic populism.
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Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, it makes, okay.
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So it is the twin combination, right?
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If you want to be a permanent majority for the Republicans,
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you get the racists and then you actually provide on like,
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hey, guess what?
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Everybody makes like 50K and the taxes are low, whatever.
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We're fine, right?
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And if you're the Democrats, you're like,
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hey, we can do like a monumental change
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or gradiations of change or whatever,
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but also we're going to point the guillotines
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at the right people.
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Like those are the two.
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If you can get somebody on either side
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who can do those two, you'll be all right.
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You think so?
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Yeah.
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Hmm, I don't know, maybe.
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I mean, the person who does that will win,
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not we will be all right.
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Oh.
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I strongly disagree with that.
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Okay, yeah.
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The person will have a better electoral advantage
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if they're able to combine those two things.
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That's probably true.
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As opposed to we're going to be better off.
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Wrong conclusion to draw from that.
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Okay, that's an important clarification.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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I realized where that was coming from.
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I think that Nick has like a fine point
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for the 2028 midterms or 2028 election and the midterms.
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Sure.
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That they need their messaging to be like real world.
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It needs to not be like,
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oh, look at these crazy Democrats or whatever.
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And I think that that's a message to Democrats running,
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quite frankly, is that appeal to people
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who might be inclined towards Trump
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on the economic populism level
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and make sure that he's not able to trick people
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into supporting him with that.
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Because he's not going to be able to provide that.
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I mean, I'm still blown away that like,
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it was only a short time ago
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that everybody was going apeshit
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because gas prices were so high
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and there was a Biden bill that was going to lower gas
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and now gas prices are lower again.
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And nobody's taking credit or calling it a problem
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or anything.
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Alex is taking credit.
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Right, but that's what I'm saying.
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Like there is something there.
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There is something to be done about like the actual stuff
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that people give a shit about.
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And occasionally people do.
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I don't know.
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So they talk, Alex is, you know,
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on the end of that last clip, he was like,
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hey, what about Gavin Newsom running for the Dems?
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And then they get off on the subject
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of who's next for the Republicans.
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Right.
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And it's J.D. Vance.
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And Nick has some thoughts.
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So who do you think the front runner is
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on the Republican side of this big question?
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Oh, it's Vance without a question.
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It's Vance and he's the one that's polling the highest
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and he's the one that's favored in the betting markets.
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And it makes sense.
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He's the vice president.
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So he's sort of the heir apparent.
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You know, he's right now the favorite.
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But I think it's the same thing with him.
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You know, he's, I'll give it to him.
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He's a good politician.
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And I think he's making a lot of strategic moves.
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He leaped in front of the Charlie Kirk funeral.
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And I don't want that to sound like it's cynical,
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but I do think that was a political move.
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Even if it was sincere in some ways, I think it was smart.
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He's also leaped in front of, for example,
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the issue of Antifa, of the National Guard being deployed,
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immigration.
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When he was in Israel, he went to the church
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instead of the wall, very calculated.
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And I think he's sort of been grooming
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the so-called dissident right.
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He's telling them what they want to hear.
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I think he's paving the way with the right wing cultural.
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It's not about credit, it's true.
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People that don't know, you had your big split
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with Shapiro and all them in the last nine years.
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And then, Greubers basically took over,
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TPUSA was evident.
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And now you look at Vance getting questions,
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it sounds like you wrote his responses.
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So I think actually the criticism,
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whereas he attacks you publicly,
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I think he's actually listening to you in policy.
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Well, I don't know that he's listening to us,
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but I think it's strategic because, you know,
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you look at his actual policy and I'll never forget this
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and other people shouldn't either.
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And this is a concern.
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I'm always listening and I'm always open-minded,
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but last year, Vance made a very intentional choice
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during the election to go to an anti-war think tank
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called the Quincy Institute.
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And they're not isolationists, but they're prioritizers.
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And there's a book by Barry Pose
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and it kind of gives their ideology.
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And they talk about prioritizing China
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or the Western hemisphere.
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He goes to a think tank,
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which is very much against the Middle Eastern wars.
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And he gives a speech about putting a pro-Israel spin
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on America first and justifying the relationship
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with Israel on the basis of missile defense
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or arming them to fight Iran
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or integrating them into an Abraham Alliance
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that can kind of share the responsibilities
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in the Middle East.
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And that was like a very intentional signal.
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He was signaling allegiance and loyalty to the Israel lobby.
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Well, it was double as he says,
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we're gonna officially get out of the Middle East,
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but we'll back Israel as the proxy.
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Right, and you know,
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and I don't know if I agree with that necessarily
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because I don't think that that's even possible.
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And I think that this year has sort of shown
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the limitations of that idea
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because Trump is trying to extricate us from the region
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and Netanyahu wants us to fight Iran.
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And so I don't know how simple that is to say,
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well, we're just gonna hand it off to Israel.
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I think Israel is always gonna kind of need our help
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and they're always gonna demand more.
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So it's just, it's a question.
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And I think that Vance,
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he's acutely aware of the fact that public sentiment
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is turning against Israel.
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And that's why he didn't condemn Tucker.
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That's why when he was asked about it,
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he actually went and quote tweeted some Jewish journalist
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who was attacking Buckley, Tucker's son,
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who works for Vance in the press office.
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That was a very telling response.
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And so now Vance is pivoting
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and now he's signaling to the Groiper-aligned Gen Z
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or the Groiper-aligned millennials and Xers
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who are very critical of Israel.
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And I think that's a very strategic choice.
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I guess the question is in 28-
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Well, I don't think there's a think.
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It's just not about shooting your horn
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because it's a wave you rode in on,
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but you were so much of the wave as well.
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You didn't just surf in, you were a big part of the wave.
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I can tell you, I've met with people
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at the highest levels of government,
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highest levels of tech, and they wanna talk about you.
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The door closes and I have these private meetings.
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I'm not selling out to folks who have these meetings.
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And they won't talk about you.
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So we come back, I wanna talk about where this goes.
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You all right, man?
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That was weird.
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Yeah. That was weird.
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I'm not selling out.
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Blah.
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So I think that Nick is somebody who,
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if Alex had any kind of,
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JD Vance was possibly interested in him
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or could be argued that Alex had shaped his thinking,
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it would be talking about that non-fucking-stop.
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Whereas Nick is like,
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I think it's strategic on his part
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to try and tap into my audience by pretending to be Nazis.
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And I don't know if he's sincere.
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If he does Nazi stuff, then I'll know.
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I mean, it's hard not to think that that is a
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just rational and reasonable outlook
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to take on future possible politics.
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And it makes Alex look crazy.
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Yeah.
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Because this person, Nick, is saying like,
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yeah, Vance is saying some good shit.
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But I don't trust that this is sincere.
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Trump is saying this stuff that the racists wanna hear,
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but put it on paper, man.
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Do the thing.
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And then I'll be happy,
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because you've lied to me over and over again.
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This is exactly what Alex said
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at the beginning of the episode.
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That Trump's base is sick of him lying to them.
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Now, I will say that Alex does have one thing
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going in his favor from that otherwise
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very rational response that Nick gave,
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which is that Nick is not allowed to say certain words
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because he cannot say them descriptively.
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They can only be said pejoratively.
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Like in Nick's mouth, it should be the J word.
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He should not be allowed to say,
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you can't be like, oh, he's a Jewish politician.
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That doesn't exist for Nick.
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He said, you know, I don't even wanna repeat it.
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So yeah, I can see why you would wanna pull back
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the language a little bit to get your point across.
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What a wild, wild racist asshole.
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Yeah, and I think it's a very interesting position
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because I think that Nick is clearly,
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he's been bolstered by this Tucker interview,
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by all of the fucking attention.
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Heads on spikes.
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And now like he was on Piers Morgan.
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Jesus Christ.
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And like all these people are falling into the trap
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of engaging with him.
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Oh my God.
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And he's, like you said, he's perfectly situated
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to exploit all of this shit.
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And I think that Alex has to recognize that.
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He knows that he's on the fall, Nick is on the rise.
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And them being next to each other,
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like if I'm Alex, I don't know how you live in that moment.
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This person is shitting on your business model.
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No, I mean, fucking, at the very least,
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slap him because he's a child.
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Yes.
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Saying these things to you.
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Yes.
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Like even if you agree with him,
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just be like, also you're a child, slap.
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Like that's crazy to allow him to speak to you that way.
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This is part of why Alex needs to be drunker.
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Yeah, I agree.
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I agree wholeheartedly.
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You would hate this guy's youth if he was drunk.
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I hate to say this.
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I hate to say this.
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But in many ways, because his decision making
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is on the whole zero in terms of a score,
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like his decisions are always bad,
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at least when he's drunk,
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some of those decisions are more fun.
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They're more interesting.
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There's a chaos to them.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So in this next clip, they start talking about
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how the media takes them out of context all the time.
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Sure.
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And Alex decides to say something possibly defamatory
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about Jared Holt.
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All right.
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You made this point about the ADL
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and Southern Poverty Law Center.
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We have the Southern Poverty Law Center.
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Hire one of our employees, whatever, 10 years,
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infiltrate, jack into all the cameras for a year,
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found nothing corrupt watching us.
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We don't have like in the rooms, but the hallways,
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outside and they just publish it all totally illegal,
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totally criminal.
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We're filing suit on them,
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like probably within a week, all of them.
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But civil rights violations,
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dispersions rights, all around with the DOJ.
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But I saw you on a clip from a few days ago,
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I don't know when you did it,
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but I watched a live show,
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sometimes the easiest clips you were explaining,
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like they go through and they hire these people
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and they like Jared Holt and they just,
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and then they contact everybody in your family,
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everybody you know,
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to find somebody to then pay them off to go lie about you.
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I mean, this is people, and we're not playing victim here.
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We just need to know how nasty these people are.
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And people say, oh, why don't more people stand up?
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Because when you come prominent folks,
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they literally come after you
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and stalk the living hell out of you.
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So Alex used Jared's name there
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and is accusing him of crimes.
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So I think that if Jared would like to,
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that's probably actionable.
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Go for it.
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But maybe it's a moot point
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because Alex says he's already suing him.
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I mean, yeah, you'll get your day in court.
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Somebody will be able to afford somebody's day in court.
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It's foolish of Alex, I think, to use names.
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I think that as long as he just talks about the SPLC
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and the ADL and stuff,
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you have a sort of umbrella of like,
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I'm not talking about an individual person.
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And that, not good, not great.
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I do like the other way of describing what they just said,
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which is that these people are thorough and I'm lying.
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These people reach out for comment.
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So whenever I just say something,
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they're gonna go follow up on it?
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What a bunch of stalking creeps.
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That's kind of like, journalism is harassment in a way.
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I mean, I'm not disagreeing with that as a concept
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from a distance.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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So these guys, they keep being taken out of context
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with these clips that the SPLC and Media Matters
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will put out.
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And it's just, it's a constant attack.
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I've been sent this article like three times
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maybe over the last day.
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Not this one before.
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Oh, Nick Fuentes is two-faced.
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Nick Fuentes says one thing on one show,
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one thing on another.
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No, I say stuff, they take it out of context.
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And they say, oh, look what he said is over here.
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I know what you do.
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Sometimes you make jokes and stuff and take it out of context
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but now they're going with this thing of like,
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he's deceiving people because you have, you know,
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these multiple faces and they've tried that with me as well.
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You wanna explain that?
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Yeah, I saw that in the free press.
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I couldn't even read it cause it's behind a paywall
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but I've been getting this for 10 years.
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It used to be on my Wikipedia page
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and they would say he uses jokes and irony
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to conceal his real viewpoints.
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He really is a Nazi, but you'd never know it
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because he acts like a really nice guy
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and has reasonable viewpoints
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when you talk to him on a show.
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And it's almost like you have to then go back
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and explain the concept of like jokes or context.
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And you know, Ben Shapiro did this a couple of weeks ago.
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He played some of my clips on his stream
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and every single one was about four seconds.
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I think the average duration of the clips he played
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was between four and six seconds.
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I do a three hour stream five nights a week for 10 years.
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And what happens in a show is everybody knows.
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Newsflash, if you're ever watching a show,
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my show and anybody's, and you're seeing three, four, five,
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six seconds, you're being deceived.
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That's why the average clip he plays like three minutes.
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Folks, that is the ultimate way to deceive.
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And they've done that over and over again.
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Expand on that.
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We're so right and it should go without saying.
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I play clips.
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I mean.
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Come on, man.
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It's almost like by, I mean, it is in a way,
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ultimately the highest compliment that we are paid,
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which is that no one will ever acknowledge that we exist.
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They're having a conversation about people
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taking them out of context by playing short clips.
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It's such prime territory to be like,
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and there's this one fucking podcast.
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These motherfuckers.
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They even, here's the problem.
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I have my excuse and then they take that away from me.
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Shit.
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It is a little bit of a dubious compliment.
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I mean, I will say.
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It feels bad.
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I will say, right, that maybe sometimes
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you don't need more than six seconds.
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If that six seconds consists of, I hate all the Jews.
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I think they're evil and I think we should
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shoot them into the sun.
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I don't need more than that.
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You nailed it.
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Unless the person has intentionally cut off
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at the beginning you saying, here's something
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I would abhor someone to say.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You know, like then, yeah, sure.
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There's a context that's missing.
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I am a Nazi.
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Yeah, I get it.
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Yeah.
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And the whole idea of his humor and stuff is like, yes,
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that is a tactic that he has effectively used
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throughout his career.
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Yeah, the joke is it's not a joke.
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That's what's funny about it.
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Well, there's that end of it that is the humor.
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And then there's the other humor where he, you know,
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will make a joke about six million cookies being cooked
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during a certain amount of time.
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In order to make a joke about Holocaust denial,
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which is his actual position.
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His position is being masked by that joke.
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He understands what that criticism is.
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It's just to his best interest to be like,
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they don't understand jokes.
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People understand jokes.
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No, no, no, everybody understands jokes.
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And it's smart for you to say
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that people don't understand jokes, but you're a Nazi.
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So let's just cut the shit.
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Yeah, calm down, dude.
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Calm down.
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So they go on about this, people taking clips of them.
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Assholes.
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Yeah, it's really annoying
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as someone who takes clips of them.
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Yeah.
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I would never take a five second club
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just to have a big hit and lie about something
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because I don't want to be discredited.
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I want to actually be honest,
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but it's really a big problem.
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It's a huge problem.
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And the good news is I think people are starting to wake up
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because I see these kinds of out of context clips
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and I see all the comments are saying,
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oh, nice, you edited down to eight seconds.
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What's that all about?
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So I think people are starting to become aware.
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That being said, I don't think that
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that will ever go out of fashion
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because the vast majority of people
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have such a limited attention span
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and are quick to judge and everything like that.
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It's just a tragedy.
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The comments is just how people are.
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Tragedy of the masses of the goi.
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You know, that's just how they operate.
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So what was the context of that?
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That doesn't seem good.
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It seems interesting contextually.
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Man.
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Eventually, he probably does.
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Maybe he already knows about us, maybe he doesn't.
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Eventually he will probably know about us.
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Sure.
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Right?
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And I'm disappointed because that really makes me
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want to fucking...
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Punch?
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Yeah, man.
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Yeah, I mean, it's such a very intentional...
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Come here, come here, come here, come in close.
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It's come in closer.
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It's bait.
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And one of the things that's so fascinating about it
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is that it exists within this context
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of a conversation of people playing short clips
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to take them out of context.
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And in context, he is saying that
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the Jews use out of context clips
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and short things in order to attack the goi.
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Because the goi have low attention spans
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that are being exploited.
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It's crazy.
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It makes me, it really takes me back to some...
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Like, this is shit that should have been handled
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when you were young.
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This feels like something that a coach
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would take you under the bleachers behind and be like,
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listen, I'm gonna explain this to you politely
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and kindly one time.
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Then we're gonna have a serious issue.
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Then you're gonna be running laps.
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Then we're gonna be in trouble.
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That seems like the time to deal with that
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because now it's metastasized and he's rewarded for it.
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Yeah, it's a career.
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Yeah, it's gotta, yeah, that shit's gotta, that can't fly.
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Yeah, and Alex knows what he's doing
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and he's totally fine with and endorses.
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So yeah, as I'm listening to this,
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this discussion about people taking clips of them,
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as a person whose job it is
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to independently take clips of them and yell about them
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and go to Portland to do sold out shows
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playing those clips.
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Right?
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Sold out.
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Sold out.
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Sold out.
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It's just fucking insane to me that I'm like,
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they should be talking about me.
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And they're not because really at the end of the day,
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this is just about them trying to attack Jewish voices
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in Republican media.
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It's just a tragedy.
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The comments is just how people are.
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It's a tragedy of the masses of the goy.
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That's just how they operate.
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So on some level, we're always gonna have that,
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but I think people are starting to smarten up
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and see what's going on because that kind of stuff
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just doesn't have the same currency anymore.
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And I think that we should play the same game.
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We do the same thing.
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The difference is we take people at their word.
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When Mark Levin goes up at RJC,
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which he did a few weeks ago, and he says,
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well, we're gonna make our decisions.
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We're gonna see who's associating with who,
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and we cancel people all the time.
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It's like, okay, so we're gonna take that clip
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and we're gonna blow it up everywhere.
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And the difference is that is true
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to what you're actually saying and actually believe.
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And so I think-
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The difference is it's a two minute clip.
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Yeah, it's in context.
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So let me raise that point.
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How pathetic is it for Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro
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who literally have 5% of their previous audience,
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they even admit that.
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What must it be like with all their billionaire backers
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to know the whole world's turning us,
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instead they double down and become a stereotype?
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It has to be very sad.
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I can't imagine what it's like working
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in one of those offices, a daily wire,
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because you gotta remember,
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and I know you do, Mark Levin and Shapiro,
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these guys were on top 10 years ago.
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Certainly Mark Levin, you had a huge radio show-
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And they were supporting four shots.
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They were supporting taking me off the air.
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I'll never forget it.
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Based on Alex's telling of the story,
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they were not on top 10 years ago.
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That's not supposed to be- Nope.
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So to this.
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You're retconning that story.
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But yeah, this is legitimately just a piece
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of something they are trying to use
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to attack Jewish figures in the right wing media space.
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They are trying to destroy Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin.
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Yeah.
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And it isn't over a difference in belief
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about policy towards Israel.
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It isn't about some actual political difference.
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It is Nick's intolerance towards Jewish people.
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And that's great.
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It's tough.
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It sucks.
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We're a little bit out of the rhythm
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because we took this trip.
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And here's what I'll tell you.
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I decided when I was getting this episode ready,
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fuck you.
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Fuck you.
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Sorry, buddy.
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Well, no.
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What I'm trying to say is I turned it off.
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Yeah.
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I said, I'm good.
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Not the day for it.
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No, it's just, I get what you're doing.
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I get the game that is being played throughout this.
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And I resent that you're talking about people
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taking clips of you and you're not talking about me.
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Yep.
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I take you at face value.
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I take, like I assume whatever you're saying
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is something that you mean to say.
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Yep.
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I give the benefit of the doubt all over the place.
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I play longer clips.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it is interesting.
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It is interesting for a couple of reasons
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because the first thing that he's saying is essentially like
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look at how bad these things are.
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And then he's saying, and we should start doing it too.
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Right?
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Both of these things preclude the fact
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that everybody's doing it and already has been.
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Right?
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And most of the right wing media is built upon it.
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Built entirely upon it.
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So what they should be doing or in essence,
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what they are doing with a language that doesn't say it
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is thanking people for doing this.
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So that gives us something to say that we're victims by.
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And the reason that they can't talk about us
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while saying that people should be doing what we're doing
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is because we're fucking worse.
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We're way worse.
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Well, because they're worse.
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The worst thing you hear from them is a little clip.
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You hear us go through your fucking life.
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But that's not even it.
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It's because they're worse in context.
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That's what I'm saying.
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Yeah. Well, I mean, yes, yes, yes.
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It's because it does them a favor
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to take them out of context.
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They are in essence thanking those people
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for taking them out of context.
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Look at what we get to do right now about that.
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Because if they were actually mad about it,
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they would then point to people who don't do that and say,
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look at why this is better.
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And they do not do that.
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Pointing to look at why this is better would be a disaster.
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Isn't this a much more interesting exploration
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of the things that I do and put out on air?
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It is, demonstrably.
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Anyway, we're coming to the end of the year
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and maybe I'll be petty.
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Let's be a little petty.
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Maybe I'll take a little petty moment.
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Christmas pettiness.
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Right. That's my gift to myself is a little pettiness.
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I like it.
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That I feel like a little scorned
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that they're not thanking me.
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Absolutely. Absolutely.
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Absolutely. I agree. I agree.
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For doing the kind of coverage they wish Ben Shapiro
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and Mark Levin would do.
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It bothers me.
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It wouldn't bother me as much
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if I didn't know they know about us.
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That is a frustrating aspect.
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That they do know about us
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and then still say things like this.
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It's just so fucking annoying.
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It's just so fucking annoying.
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Oh, well.
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Anyway, we'll be back with another episode
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that won't end pettyly.
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Or will it?
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Maybe it will.
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Could 2026 be the year of petty?
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Tom Petty.
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Tom Petty, Richard Petty, Petty Behavior.
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Sure.
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There's three pillars of 2026.
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Well, maybe.
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We don't know yet.
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We don't know yet.
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I like the immediate sound of it.
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Sure.
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But I don't want to commit to anything.
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No, no, no, no.
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So we'll see. Maybe pettiness will rule.
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But we'll find out later when we're back
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for another episode.
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But until then, we have a website.
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Indeed we do. It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep. We'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo. I'm Deezy Yanks Clark.
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I am the mysterious professor.
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Woo yeah, woo yeah, woo.
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
