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Dan andText

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I love you. Hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight. I'm Dan. I'm Jordan

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We're a couple dudes like to sit around and worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones

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Oh indeed we are Dan. Jordan. Dan. Jordan. Quick question for ya. What's up? What's your bright spot today buddy?

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Why don't you go first? Well my bright spot. We were actually just talking about it

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We haven't recorded since it dropped

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But we were guests on the past times with Dave and Gareth of the dollop podcast. Yeah, what fun

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It was a delightful time, and it was great and people have enjoyed it, so that's nice. Yeah

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Yeah, and it filled in for our Monday episode

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An excuse to do a Wednesday

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Yeah, yeah, no. It's you know one of our early

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Like I don't remember if we had started this show yet when we went to go see the dollop right other

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But that was an early like

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Like a night out for the two of us. No it may have literally been- that wasn't just screaming at a bar

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No, it may literally have been less than a week or two into us recording this show

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Yeah, I mean it had to have been like in the proximity. It was early. I

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Can't remember it was at the Athenaeum

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And I can't remember if it was before or after you dragged me to that British comedian that I didn't like. It was after I want to say

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And Dylan mourns Irish all right. There's a difference. Sorry. There's a difference

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So yeah, there's something really weird about

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You know being in that place and with these people that like you have a history of listening to yeah, you know

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What a treat. Yeah, it is

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It's just great. It's just really fun. You got to yell a lot. It was reaffirming

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It was nice that I think there was a small part of me that was worried that Gareth

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And I might get into the infinite riff

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Which I think early on we made it through about one sentence the Jablonski affair for about 15 minutes

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Yeah, so but yeah, we're being egged on by both me and Dave. Yeah, so like it's not we were doing it

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It was scary that you might be matter and antimatter

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Destroying the universe yeah, but yeah, I

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For my end of it. I did not know that we were video recording

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Oh didn't know that at all and so for one thing when we were recording this I

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Couldn't see Dave or Garrett. I could only see a slot between them

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Yeah, I couldn't react to any of their facial expressions

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Oh, and I didn't know we were recording so I was vaping a whole bunch

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And I feel I was so scared when the episode it's gonna be it's coming

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Oh boy fuck what you gonna do what about the kids a bad example for the kids with this vape

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It was nice to

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Be like oh, thank God whenever I saw it because I've seen myself

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When we've recorded remotely where it's like oh this needs to be audio only guys

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Yeah, you look like you're in a like

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hostage cave

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Yeah, yeah, you look fine. You look. I think how people expected

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Yeah, you look great. Yep too much vaping though. Yeah, there is that yeah, that'll happen

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No one has said that to me. It's only my own in your head entire

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I don't think anybody even has a too much or not enough vaping

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Judgment for you. I definitely don't think no one say there's no one who's saying not enough

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It's hard to imagine a not enough er bumping up. There's but I'm sure that listen. This is America

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There's a not enough er out there. That's true. There's probably some competitive vapors that are like yourself

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There's totally competitive papers, yeah, like you're soft. Oh well. Yeah. Yeah, what's your bright spot?

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So on Sunday, yes, I was thrilled to go to the George Lucas talk show

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in person

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Yeah, I've loved that show for a long time. Yeah Connor Ratliff

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Garrett not Garrett Griffin Griffin and Patrick. They're just fantastic

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I love I love the show you got to see wado got to see wado

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Yeah got to see him be introduced to stage as waito

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The guy on the god my

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Introduction fantastic. It's such a great like it's such stupid shit and so funny

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I

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Really was like fuck I'd love to

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Meet these people cuz I look up to them. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm just you know

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I'm just like person who goes to these shows sure like I'm just going to the show

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I just want a part of the crowd and right sometimes. You're just going to a show yeah

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Yeah, so I get there and I sit in my seat. Oh like a like a guy like a good boy. Yeah, yeah

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And it dawns on me that I don't know who the guests are

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Show right yeah, so I have no idea who I'd never even thought about like okay

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They're doing a show in Chicago sure who would likely be there right right right right?

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And so I'm just sitting there twiddling my thumbs who walks by me, but cold cabana

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We kind of know yes, yeah, we are

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Proximally knowing him yeah, yeah, he would recognize me for sure

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely so I

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was like

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Cool, and he did not look

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And I felt like the stupidest

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Cuz I probably should have considered. Oh yeah cold my

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Hello, yeah, no no. Oh, I should have contacted him in advance. Yeah, and then I probably could have met wado

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You could have hung out with them. Yeah, yeah, that's a good point so anyway that didn't happen, but the show was great

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It was a lot

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You're such a quitter sometimes yeah, you just just go like oh

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Hey cool that nobody would care right yeah

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No, I probably could have and there was a part of me that thought about sticking around afterwards

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She say hi say hi

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It's tough yeah

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It was hopping off the chains yeah, and what have you and I I just I wanted to go home

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so anyway, it was a

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Treat and a thrill George Lucas did I think five shots of Malort on stage

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That's too many shots of Malort utterly lost control of the yeah the hosting of the show absolutely, but it's fantastic

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I believe you

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So anyway today. We have an episode to go over that is not as fantastic. That's that's unsurprising

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Yeah, it's an episode Alex Jones's show okay. That's no good. We're talking about November 14th

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2025 all right

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And Epstein stuff continues to be a problem how?

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Because more stuff is coming out

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What are we doing do something or I don't should get off the pot time?

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I feel like that's where we're at right, and I think that's that's this interesting

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Stretch that we're in here where you know I'm back to looking at a day at a time again

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Yeah, yeah, and I think it's because we're in a moment where like

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Shit's breaking yeah, and Alex is

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In a state where he knows he has to do something different, and he can't can't do it, and I think that's fascinating

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Yeah, that's a microscope kind of moment being trapped in a box that you can see is is very different from being trapped in

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A box that is clear you know and it's a box that everyone else can see yeah, and no one can deny no

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It's fucked up yeah, and this episode's a mess too, so we'll go over that here in a second first

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Let's take a little moment say hello to some new wall

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So first since I wasted my shout-out on a joke shout-out say my name

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Hentron thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much. Oh, yeah next

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Thanks for not listening to the old man in the background yelling say no when I asked you to marry me

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Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk

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And stay away from my scat hole it's full of scat, thank you so much you're now policy wonk. I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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And we had a technocrat in the mix Jordan, so thank you so much to rat legs you're now a technocrat

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I'm a policy wonk

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Someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop daddy shark

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Jar-jar Binks has a

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Caribbean black action he's a loser little little titty, baby

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I don't want to hate black people I renounce Jesus Christ Jar Jar Binks notably not at the George Lucas talk show

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He's replaced as sidekick by wado man number of years back. I don't think Chicago likes Jar Jar

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I think I think there's a huge anti Jar Jar sentiment in Chicago. I don't know

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I think there's a reclamation of Jar Jar that's going on

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Well they tried to do that with the like maybe he was evil all along sure as fumbling was an end

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Not gonna happen that was an attempt to reclaim yeah, and now it's just kind of fun. Oh he sucks

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The end you can't reclaim him. I've watched people try and reclaim so much shit lately

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I saw somebody just published a thing about mall rats trying to reclaim that shit fuck off

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Get out of here leave that shit in the 90s

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Yeah, I was I was listening to an episode of Scott ockerman's podcast that hasn't seen yeah

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Chris gathered was on and they were talking about mall rats mm-hmm, and it made me reflect on how much of that shit was like

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Just fucking street jokes. Yep. Yep like

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100% I don't know how much of that was even original nope

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I mean it is it was so like I get why people think it's funny, but those are street jokes those are god damn it

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Comedy sucks yeah, so does Alex mm-hmm and Epstein yep, so look shits bad

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Yeah at this point all right everything is a total mess and

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There are more Epstein stories and emails and things that are coming out sure you know there's articles about

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You know Epstein emailing with people about talking to the Russians about Trump sure you know

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Emails between Epstein and his brother about whether or not Putin has a video of Trump blowing Bubba

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Right which is he clarified later isn't Clinton, okay?

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Yeah, well I mean that would be that would be an explosive video. Yeah, and not a little hot well

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I think it's the kind of thing you would deflect from with a piss tape

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rumor

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Just it's all bad. I don't know what any of this shit means. I'm not trying to

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Fully you know forensically get to the bottom of everything right a lot of it

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Especially when we're recording right now is unknowable stuff, and so like I just think it looks a bad

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I think it all looks really bad

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I like I like this because it feels like we're an inverse of where it's been for the last for for the longest time right

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Where we really had okay?

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So people were taking details and trying to find out the larger picture through details

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And now I feel like we know the larger picture is we fucked up. Just like pure and simple

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We fucked up. We got to do something, but all these details. They're unknowable

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They're unknowable. You'll never know it's crazy. Yeah, and I think that also for a long time

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We've been I think a lot of people have been under the impression that Trump's

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support and the base that he has is

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Unlike stoppable yeah like that there is some power to their hatred that all like comes together

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Right and it's not going to eat itself right and we are now seeing like oh

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There's a point where they're gonna eat themselves. Yeah, it doesn't mean that

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It's not all still very dangerous

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You know like power is gonna restore to normal right in a couple months right or whatever

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But like it's he's not as invincible as he had appeared to be right right right? Yeah

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You know he to for his quote you know he could shoot a man and people would still support him

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But he couldn't kiss a man and have people still support him, so there are

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Definite weak spots yeah, yeah, and I think that he could shoot someone

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But he couldn't stab someone right like because the person

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Put him over the edge right for supporting him even if he shot

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Somebody, but he stabbed someone he wouldn't have their support not enough knife people. Yeah, yeah, Alex has a new knife

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He's selling by the way. Well. There's more nice people that I would probably prefer. You know when you're talking about knife people

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with a Texan bitch

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There's an out of context drop all right. I like it so we start off the show and Alex

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I think you know he wakes up in the morning, and he sees like ha ha

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His face or just the world or what has happened to him like a soul it feels bad

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Yeah, and he sees these headlines yeah, and he's like fucking hell. It's gonna be a big show

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Oh

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My gosh, I start almost every broadcast by saying all hell's breaking loose because it is the quickening tear

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But this broadcast is going to be insane

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Info Wars tomorrow's news today, I am seeking the truth

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Nothing more and I 100% call what was gonna happen with the obscene stuff

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What's gonna be a disaster what in the last ten months when the clear cover-up began

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By this administration, it's kind of true. That's kind of true

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I understand he did tell Trump that he needs to just shut up. I understand the spirit of the law yeah

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He did not predict like where things were going and everything, but he did

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Give better advice to Trump than whatever ego. That's fair. That's fair

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That

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Anything else though? I mean come on now come on man, but every day now is the most

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Important thing ever it's the this show is gonna be fucking insane

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Yeah

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I feel like if you're if you're info wars you really can't you know like if you're a late-night show if you're the late-night

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Show with Jimmy Kimmel. Oh, we got a great show tonight

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You got a great show every night cuz you're a late night show that's fine, but if you're info wars you can't have an

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Incredible broadcast because an incredible broadcast means there's no broadcast tomorrow. Do you know mm-hmm right?

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You know what I mean like if it's that big of a deal. That's because the world is ending

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Yeah, and if you're doing a late-night show you can't have the best and funniest show every night, right?

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But it has to be good because it's really it exists as PR for whoever your guests

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Oh, yeah, it really that doesn't exist with Alex. No no not anymore. There's really no PR to be gained nope

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We do get Roger later they get excited all right so Trump is really really innocent

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except the guilty stuff sure and I knew why Trump was joining the cover-up and

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It's because it's all these lawsuits and in all these criminal cases and most of its innuendo

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and it's an old case and it implicates a bunch of high-powered people and

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The CIA came to him and said it's Masad with us we need to just shut this down

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And

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Trump you know knew surely that 90 plus percent of the people with Epstein are high-powered Democrats and

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So he kind of wink wink made the deal

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and

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Then the Clintons and all of them turned around and they've been cherry-picking and selecting stuff to put out to implicate Trump

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Okay, and it is a hoax that he's done something illegal with Epstein. There is no evidence

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Plus we the witnesses the victims I mean all of it

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But then Trump stepped in to the cover-up and became guilty by association

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Yep, I mean you don't wink wink go along with sex trafficking

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conspiracies

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Cover up that stuff up on a wink. I'm so I am

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Confused because he's making his tone is saying one thing, but I'm feeling like those words are actually a closing argument

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Mmm, he's guilty. This is that what you just said? Yeah. Yeah

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Yeah, I mean, I guess if the best thing you can do to excuse like a Trump didn't he's not on any of these tapes

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Right, but he is covering it up because I mean wink wink, you know, they they yeah

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They don't they don't like a super guilty. Okay, we've got the murderer and we've got the guy who covered up the murder

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But because the guy who covered up the murder didn't kill the guy he gets to go away free. That's not how that goes

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Well, I mean, they're technically different crimes, but they definitely are both crimes. They're both crimes

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Yeah, I get that. Maybe we don't punish them equally and generally when you're helping cover up a murder

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It's because you want the people who did the murder to not get in trouble for the yeah

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Yeah, usually that's a big part of it. You have an investment somehow

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Emotionally or like yeah financially with the person who did the murder and in fact many people say that the cover-up is worse than the crime

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Sure, so you should have murdered that guy I think the Republicans said that when they were trying to impeach Clinton

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So Epstein stuff with Trump, it's just fucking innuendo it is just wink wink stuff, you know, sure

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Lovely will not destroy our Republic we will overpower them. We are with sheer truth information and will

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I

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Here's the big news today, we're covering it all massive gas so much more today

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The Epstein thing has

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Come to the

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Peak so far so far its importance and

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Exactly what I knew was in there is in there and also more already been out

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it's all complete innuendo and crap and

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So Trump is going after the Clintons and everybody's saying fine open the whole damn thing up even though it's gonna destroy

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The economy and I'm not sure it is but it's gonna be really bad

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It's weird how much it feels like Alex is trying to argue against releasing the files but doing it in this like shitty

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Indirect way. Yeah, it's like he's warning about some horrible thing that's gonna happen

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If these files are released, which is definitely not what you would expect from the champion against corruption

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Mmm, and the guy who's got all the documents and like, you know, it's just not him. Yeah

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It's not the guy he has pretended to be here's the other problem

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right if if the goal is as he's saying like to keep people from focusing on this then

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The way for Alex to keep people from focusing on this is to take it too seriously

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Right when Alex takes it seriously, everybody laughs at him and they go ha ha ha you're an idiot

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And so they stopped paying attention to it, right?

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We definitely figured out all of the ins and outs of 9-11 that he covered very serious exactly so long totally

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For him to be like hey guys

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He's just really cool only makes it the most suspicious thing that you could ever possibly imagine

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Yeah, when mr. Suspicious is like a be bad if something happened to your economy if you if you release these files like

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No, you're like a suspicious guy

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You're the one doing crap you're wearing a trench coat and a balaclava. I don't even know how that works. Yeah, you're shady as shit

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Yeah, so

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The the globalists what they're trying to do. Yeah is cause a civil war within

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The Maga world sure a man it's working. Okay. It's night and day how much good we're getting done, but it's still

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Not enough and I've been saying this they're gonna try to crash the economy

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They're trying to get riots going cuz that's the Podesta plan and they're gonna bring this Epstein thing out

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They're gonna try to create a Maga civil war

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That created the cracks ten months ago then Gaza peaking and the Israel Lobby

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obnoxiously

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Saying censor everybody take everybody off the air shut up everybody from Tucker Carlson Alex Jones and Nick Point does

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All of that has been done that's caused a big rift and it's now civil war Maga and you're real pollsters

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That I respect you've been right 99% of the time

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Like Martin Mitchell has been hitting the panic button for a few months and now you see it everywhere and he predicted all this

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And people go oh, he's just a panicking. No, it's good when Trump's doing wrong and stepping in it wait

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To say stop that so it's crazy because when Alex is saying here is exactly what I said at the time

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But no shadowy globalists are trying to cause a civil war

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The Trump fan base is an internally hostile coalition and it's one that can't hold under pressure

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Alex is correctly identifying the two biggest inflection points in the past months in the form of the bombing of Iran and the entire Epstein

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Debacle but his description of them and his desperation to blame someone else for them being splinter points is wrong

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Trump's base is full of a ton of hyper motivated idiots and outright bigots who don't have compatible priorities

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It's not a problem when you're all just making memes and laughing about how triggered the libs are

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But when you seize pretty much all the power in the country, there's nowhere left to hide

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Trump's actions haven't matched what parts of his base wanted to believe about him and it's going to lose him certain groups in a

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Way that he probably can't win back

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Legit Nazis as well as whatever part of the right-wing exists that actually just has a problem with Israel know that he's not their guy

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Anyone whose brand relies on them being against the elites and a two-tier justice system or even just not liking child sex traffickers

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Now knows that Trump is not their guy

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Without these two factions Trump probably doesn't have that much gas left in the tank

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He's lost the most active of the bigots and any conspiracy types who haven't even tiny attention span and that's a lot of the online

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influencers that the movement relies on to distract people and to

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Spam posts of liberals crying or whatever

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Yeah

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At this point the smart thing to do is leave Trump for dead and it's fascinating that Alex isn't moving on

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The only two explanations I can really come up for this non-motion is one

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Roger has something on Alex or two Alex knows that his primary brand is

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Anti-immigrant and anti-muslim incitement and Trump hasn't violated that brand yet

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That's true Alex doesn't fundamentally hate Jewish people and his whole thing about fighting the globalist cabal

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That's been an act from the beginning. So Trump kind of hasn't shit in his mouth yet, right?

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He's seeing him shit in everyone else's right right, but he thinks he's safe. He's he's funneling shit

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like like a fucking

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Pneumatic tube at a bank. Yes, but

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Coming up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's gonna happen, but he's never actually gotten hit in the face with it. Yeah. Yeah

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Yeah, that's fair. I don't know why Alex is doing this

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I don't know what the calculation is, you know, like but whatever it is, he's got to move on

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This sucks. I don't know are we okay? I

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understand that time is

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Tough to process but are we all just overreacting like a year from now?

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Can't they just say like and none of this happened, you know, like they're not gonna be gone in a year

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Mm-hmm, right

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So they just got to push through have a bad year and then everybody will be like, oh we got him

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Didn't we and then when they didn't they'll be like, ah, we got to move on

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No, because within the next year there's gonna be midterm elections and like sure

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I mean you're overthrowing the government, you know, like I get it. Look, I'm not I'm not talking about like the power of electoral

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I'm talking about

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every one of these campaigns being a possibility to like

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publicly attack someone as

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You supported the guy who's covering up Epstein or you work for Israel or there's a lot of ugliness

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Sure that gets into the like public conversation sure, so I don't think you can hide I

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Is that isn't that the other isn't that the thing is like do we even have to hide do we just need to endure?

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You know, like if I'm if I'm trumping all these guys, am I just going like hey

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Just fucking endure it and they'll lose focus. I I I think that I think there's too much

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Yeah on them. Okay to endure. All right, I think everybody should try their best to endure

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Like, you know just you know, everyone at home. Just just did we'll keep your chin up. We're going to endure

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Yeah, right, but I don't think I don't think politically like that's a viable strategy for Trump himself

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All right, maybe for JD Vance or something. Sure

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Like I think he could do a keep your head down

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Let all the shit land on his face and then wear an umbrella that kind of thing

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I think you can do a brand refresh. Okay in some way. Yeah, I don't I think for Trump you gotta

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You gotta just leave him I mean we've god damn it we've said it before

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Mm-hmm breaks my heart, you know when like on the challenge they've had like team finals that they run

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Yeah, and somebody just can't make it

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You got to leave him behind. Yeah, then you get DQ can't do it. Anyway, Megan Kelly. Yeah, you remember her

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I do remember her is she alive. She is and she is

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quite

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Like a she's branded differently. Okay now she's a bit more hardcore, right?

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She went more Nazi. Mm-hmm. I thought she would pull back and go like lifestyle advisor now, but no she's gone full

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MTG. Mm-hmm. All right fun. Yeah, so a number of years back she came to Austin and interviewed Alex

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Yes, which ended up being part of the reason that they were able to get the Sandy Hook lawsuits going it really was

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And I think he you know, he's always insinuated a bunch of stuff about her sure about how she wanted to fuck

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Well, and so he talks about that. Okay here Megan Kelly and others have said it's clear

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They're trying to hype things up to get Tucker killed now. They're attacking her

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We'll get to all that

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And look Megan Kelly is an opportunist. She's a lawyer

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Very smart woman. She's basically on our side now

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We ever start losing she'll jump back to the other side

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It's what she does, but she's emblematic of the fact. I mean Andrew Cuomo tries to sound like us Fredo. They all do it because

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Tucker does we're the winners we're winning worldwide

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But good come on over Megan come over fully. She says nice things about me now good. I'm not gonna turn my back on you

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Certainly not gonna have dessert with you

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I'm coming to tell you have dessert

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That means penis literally sound like a sex operative on the phone

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I said I don't usually record people I haven't found other company fun. I said, let me call you right back

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I'm sorry

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bad

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But I think what people will do for their 50 million dollar your salaries or whatever was

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Total devil now that she's

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a

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Selling to the general public and it's pretty accurate good information, but that's what it is to win

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That is what previously mercenaries join us. It's a sign of our victory don't be mad at her

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Just don't turn your back on her

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So uh you're a little too skinny for me, honey wild

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wilds exist

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Getting serious. I apologize. I was trying to say nice things, and I was just mean it's what I do

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I'm just I'm real. I just can't open. It's too real. That's so real

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Is that what he was being yeah?

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That's fictional story like the thick lady woman who has a 50 million dollar contract

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But the inability to know negotiate beyond you gotta fuck Alex sometimes mm-hmm

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Yeah, well that'll happen and I mean go back to that interview that is Alex at his thick neck ist

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Yeah of his life

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But like I think there's something really fun like I think I've probably had exchanges with people in my life

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Where like they've said hey, let's get dessert yeah, and I really don't think they're trying to fuck me

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No, I think Alex is the kind of person who would read that into every single exchange

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He has yeah, I can't I can't imagine

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Like that seems like a very TV and movie kind of innuendo

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I don't think anybody's ever been like hey, do you want dessert in real life?

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Mm-hmm they're more likely to be like can we have sex now for God's sakes you're taking too long. Yeah, I

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Just I don't think that she was trying to honeypot him. Yeah, I would strongly suggest she was not it's funny though

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It's funny

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I mean

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So it's interesting the way that Alex deals with the idea of an opportunist agreeing with him because it's a classic glass half full glass

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half empty kind of situation

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You could say that your side are the winners so the fact that an opportunist would be agreeing with you means that they're trying to

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Be on the right side, but at the same time you could say that Megyn Kelly never believed the shit

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She was saying in the past

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She was just an opportunist taking a paycheck to say what her boss wanted her to so why is there any reason to think?

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That's not what she's doing now right you're just the side that has some billionaire establishment shit

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right

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Behind it right yeah, no it's like that. It's the problem with the double agent right I can't trust you

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I know you're working for me right now, but you could not be working for me

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I don't know you got to go you gotta be done over single agent. Yeah is as believable

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Yeah, triple agents as believable as exactly yeah

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There's simply no more ability to trust you so the smarter move is to just not be around you

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Yeah, a double agent in theory is the same as a quadruple agent, right?

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Exactly we can do fractions all night. Yeah

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So Roger is gonna be popping in sure give us a little Epstein in a row all right later

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I like it spoiler alert just to not get your hopes up everybody who's great. Yeah, everybody did everything legally and lawfully

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Super really nice people yeah, that's crazy

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But Roger Stone's on later. He's one of the sources

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and he said I could talk about this a few months ago, but

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reluctantly

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And I'll press him on it today, but he told me when Trump was president-elect

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He said you're not gonna get the Epstein stuff. It's CIA. Massage. You know that because I've it's gonna be covered up

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Plus they've cherry-picked and they've had the good guys bunch of recycled crap

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And I talked to FBI sources. They said yeah, that's what it does and so Trump heard that it was like okay

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Yeah, no, no, we're done. There's none of the real meat and potatoes in there, but we know the people we know the women say

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And it ain't Donald Trump. It's 90

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Like 95% Democrats

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So this is such a huge difference from the character

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Alex has always portrayed where he's so invested in the hard evidence and the documents now

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He's staking a position where he's trying to preemptively discredit

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Whatever information may come out in the Epstein case and encourage the audience just trust the conclusions

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You've already come to it really feels like a person who knows that there's really bad stuff waiting to come to light and that makes sense

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There's no chance that Alex trusts Roger Stone behind the scenes

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Roger is an angry piece of shit who doesn't suffer fools and has worked with

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Dictators doing like image control over the course of his career so stupid to believe Roger Stone

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Yeah to take him at face value

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I I would believe is your fault you would have to be in a coma to be around him for 10 years and not realize

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How dangerous and dishonest he is?

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Yeah

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If Rogers telling you trust me Trump is cool on the Epstein stuff you have to know something's up

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Yeah, that's oh, so he's committed a war crime is what you're trying to tell me. Yeah. Yeah

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He and Epstein were building a nuke. Yeah, absolutely

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There's whatever it is

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It's worse than I could imagine because I'm not a billionaire and they have so much money they can imagine worse crimes

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Yeah, yeah Rogers gonna like behind the scenes like Epstein is Trump. They're the same

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The Kaiser Sosa thing right like and also again if you've actually been pardoned by a guy

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that's

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basically a brand on the top of your forehead saying T like you'd

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He's pro Trump for the good for the goodest length of time. There is till the end of days. Well

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It's interesting because I think you could there's you got to judge it based on the next couple months

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Okay after you get the part, okay, cuz someone could lay low and just be like whoo I got out of that one

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I'm gonna retire from public life smart. That would be the smart move

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yeah, but if you or Roger and you continue to do Roger things and

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Like eventually you're gonna bite the hand. Yeah, and you're a Trump surrogate and write his stuff. Yeah, you can never trust him again, right?

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He's a Trump guy the rest of his life. He got he was gonna die in jail

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Exactly yeah, I will do whatever he tells me to because that Trump's your claim for like truth or honesty

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No, I'm alive not in jail. I know I did Trump again. No back to Jar Jar Binks. Yeah

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He has a life debt. That's he has a life debt. Yeah this and his son. Yeah

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So look Alex is mad, uh-huh, he's really mad that Trump just didn't shut up

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Just don't say I mean anything

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Fuck

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Now Trump's calling for all of it

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And once the DOJ to go after him the problem is they won't because they're part of the same system

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But he should have done this

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In the last six seven eight months because it was the right thing to do and your constituents would love you and back you

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Instead you did the political thing the Machiavelli thing and now you're getting

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The repercussions of it

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Reprecussions I

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Mean if you were gonna cover it up

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Like I said at the time as some people interpret this and look he's telling him how to cover up now

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I said he should have done it but I war games tough

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I said if I said if you're gonna cover it up cuz I know you're not involved shut up

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Shut up

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Passionate we've all been there. Oh my constituents you know, if you want to look at Epstein, you're an idiot Democrat

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Mark and you've been conned by them and you're not Maga

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Just like mark Levin and all of them if you don't want to have nuclear war

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You don't want to have us tell you what to do. You're anti-semitic. You're not Maga. None of you guys were for Trump

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I was one of the first people endorsing. I don't need to hear that from you pro shot pro open border pro world government pro censorship

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You're not Americans. You're absolute 100% high-level

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Mossad operatives my god

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All

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Of them I bet Levins a colonel in the Israeli military

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I mean I just take it anymore and I don't hate you cuz you're Jewish

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I don't hate you because you're Mossad

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I hate you cuz you're trying to bully us to get in our face and acting like a bunch of assholes and then

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energizing the Nazis

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Because I'm actually thinking multi-level dumbass damn

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So to be very direct what's going on here?

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Is that Alex is super mad about the position that supporting Trump has gotten him into and he's trying to redirect that anger at Mark Levin

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No one forced Alex to defend Trump how he has or hire Roger Stone and accept every bullshit thing

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He says is true Alex is in the situation

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He's in because of his choices and that's really bad right now because their choices that are

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Incompatible with the character that he's pretended to be for decades

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You can't be the Bohemian Grove guy and then also say that if the president wants to cover up a child sex trafficking ring

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He should just shut up

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If you ever were the guy you pretended to be you can't rationalize even a passive cover-up of something like this

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Let alone the very active decision Alex has said Trump made

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Alex's brand is essentially shot and Trump did it to him. He has no way to fight back

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That's why Alex is so angry because he's essentially getting ratfucked and he still has to have Roger on the show later to spin

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He's having the guy who ratfucked him as his as his honored guest

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Yeah, for whatever reason he can't meaningfully lash out at Trump. So everything has to be put through proxies

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He's mad at cash Patel. He's mad at Todd Blanche

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These are all just punching bags that he's taking his impotent rage about Trump out on like he can't he can't

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It's like a guy who's in a dream and he can't throw a punch. I mean, it's it's like like a literal

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manifestation of

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What happens when you tie too much of your own ego up in somebody else's success?

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Mm-hmm, you know like because this would be tantamount to looking at himself and saying you have failed he cannot do it

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Yep. Yep. Well, I think that's the that's like the simplest

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Explanation that doesn't require some other outside influence, right?

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Psychology I mean, I'm sure there are plenty of outside influences not least of which being a shit ton of money

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Yeah, there's a constellation of things. Yeah. Yeah, but naturally like his anger gets redirected towards anti-semitic tropes

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Because that's what his world and information ecosystem has always been built on

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It's fundamentally all just kind of like Alex being a baby with a wet diaper

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Like he's just lashing out except that Alex is the baby and Trump pissed in his diaper

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He didn't even like wet himself and Trump is also a baby. Yeah

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But a rich baby. Yeah, really rich baby that's allowed to pee on yourself

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It doesn't want to hang out with you. Nope, cuz you smell like piss and you won't stop talking about Bubba

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So Alex, you know, I think he he believes that all right-wing people who support Israel and our Jewish

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work for Israel right and are you know, he has that dual loyalty trope sharing the thing going pretty hard and so he's like

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Net and Yahoo, I gotta give you a warning. Hey, yeah, Warren Warren, Netanyahu. Yeah

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Now this has gotten so out of hand and people turned on Israel so much

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I'm gonna warn Netanyahu and I'm gonna warn this Masaad a warning right now Warren him

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I'm giving my real advice and I'm known at the FBI the CIA

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Everywhere have tried to hire me for my ability to understand this stuff as a top analyst. I mean seriously and God powers

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But you don't have to be that smart to know this

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You're not if you actually trigger this you're not gonna get out of it you think cuz you got nuclear weapons

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This is gonna end up. Okay, you're gonna get Israel destroyed and probably the rest of the world with us. So

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With us with humanity

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Show it's funny because that slip that Alex made there where he used the word us to refer to Israel

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It doesn't really mean anything but the fact that Alex knew he needed to correct himself does tell you something

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He knows that this is exactly the kind of clip that the avant-garde Nazi types

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He's been buddying up with would use

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Against him to bolster their claims that he works for the Jews and that's why he has to be like about us

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I mean humanity, huh? I

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Mean listen just just to

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The body of the paragraph there man if anybody can get out of it Netanyahu he's still in charge

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Mm-hmm. Do you know what he's been through for the past like five years to stay in charge?

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It's been some bad press like oh my god. He's committed crimes and been guilty of them and he's still in charge

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This is crazy. How has he pulled all this off?

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He's also committed war crimes while he's not even supposed to be in charge of things

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Yeah

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Yeah, and I think that Alex warning, you know, hey don't set off any nukes

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It's evergreen advice that all world leaders don't do that. I would recommend it

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um, but I think that he has a fundamental inability to

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differentiate between the state of Israel

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Support for Israel someone who's Jewish. Yep, and

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He's I think he just thinks that like Mark Levin Ben Shapiro

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All these people are our Mossad agents and might as well be in the government. Yeah

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Let me ask you a question, all right nukes

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Very bad, right? Sure. What if we filled one with confetti?

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Maybe fun. I think it would still be really destructive though, right the confetti. Yeah

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Yeah, I mean just a bomb dropping. Yeah that probably but from a distance

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Up in the air. Mm-hmm. It would look like the best party

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Well, I think you know if you had no concept of an explosion right a mushroom cloud might look pretty cool from a distance

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I mean, it looks very cool from a distance. I think interesting shape

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Imagine that shape but with confetti. I I don't see a downside to this idea. Okay. All right work on it

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Okay, I look forward to making the next Oppenheimer about you

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So look, yeah

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Trump's covering up Epstein stuff. Mm-hmm, and I've been tough on Alex about how he's accepted this sure

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But in this next clip Alex gives a pretty good reason for why he's okay with it

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Okay, and I do have to change my tune Oh

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Johnson's like no go ahead vote release it all now the Democrats like

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Yeah

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Yeah, don't release it all just cherry pick get it out ahead Oh Trump

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Kicking him out of Mar a long ago Oh Bannon

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Coming and meeting with him once for a TV interview that we've seen clubs up. Hmm

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See now you get what they're doing and I knew this before him so why did Trump

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Say kill the investigations

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Because all the billionaires came to him and the rich Democrats and the heads universities and hedge funds that said

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Listen, this is old and a lot of it's just innuendo and we want to work with you. Can we just

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And then do you think that the Democrat Party would ever abide by a deal they made with you I mean

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You always tell the snake story of the frozen snake and the lady picks up and warms it up and bites her

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She says why'd you do that? Well, I'm a snake. I'm a snake

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Can Alex even hear himself?

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He's supposed to be the first guy who ever covered the Epstein story and the dude was running a pedophilia in

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Blackmail ring that controlled pretty much every world leader elected or otherwise. Yeah

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It's the key to unraveling the control network that explains every conspiracy

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He pushes so anyone that could possibly be a good leader would be a good leader

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But now Trump's covering up for the Epstein ship because billionaires asked him nicely

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Alex doesn't realize that if it's possible for Trump to agree to do that because billionaires asked him then Trump is a monster

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Yeah, what's happening here is that it's become essentially undeniable that Trump is covering up the Epstein shit and as much as Alex's political world is based in

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Rejecting a universal reality. This one's not possible

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Trump's actions are so overt and otherwise

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Inexplicable that even the most loyal Trump subject can't pretend that he's being honest about this like Trump's not being cool about though

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We are literally at the Borgias territory of popeness

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Like you guys are going to honestly if you keep doing it this poorly

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You'll have a reformation. That's how shitty you are

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You're talking about Borgia shittiness

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Yeah, and like it's just like a

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Unspinable like that box. Yeah, it's you can't everyone can see it. Yep

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You can see that you're in it, you know, there's no denying it. It's it's

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It's not a mime's construction

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We are past you sitting on the thing and people throwing balls to make you fall into the water

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You have fallen into the water

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Yeah, and you can't yell fake news

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No one gives a shit you're wet

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So Alex is trying to come up with ways to excuse this undeniable reality, but it just doesn't work

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There's no acceptable reason why someone who's the leader that Alex has made Trump out to be would ever agree to cover up a child

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Trafficking ring on behalf of the billionaires who were involved in it by conceding the point that Trump is covering this up

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Alex's indicted him of an inexcusable crime and yet he's not going to be able to cover up a child trafficking ring

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And yet Alex is trying to make excuses for him. Well when you put it like that, it does sound inexcusable

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But if you think of it this way

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Actually, he's very smart

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Hmm

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Hmm see

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Actually, he's very smart. Oh, I didn't know you can't I didn't think of that

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Yeah, you can't be mad at him because actually he's very smart. Give me Roger Stone exactly. I need him to reassure me

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So Alex, you know

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He's really really mad that Trump is covering this up and that he can't deny that because the fact that he can't deny it

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Means that he has to play the game that he's playing. Yeah, which is

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Kind of like you're trapped somewhere and you have to cut off your own arm to to escape, you know, I mean

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It should be but it's it really is just a breach of contract, right?

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You know like there's an unspoken contract between all of us propagandists and Trump Trump gets to do whatever the fuck he wants

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We lie about it as long as you know, the the rules of the contract are held

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You're in breach of contract go fuck yourself, you know, it's like that's what it has to be. It's upholding kayfabe

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Yeah, absolutely

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It's it's what Alex talked about on another episode a little bit ago

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Where he's like where your media surrogates leave this to us. Shut up

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Shut up. Yeah, you know like Trump didn't abide by yeah

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Whatever that unspoken contract is when you step on a bear trap the bear trap isn't like are you sure you want me to?

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Bite your leg like I don't cuz like what if you're a nice guy but on the inside. No, it just fucking snaps

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Yeah, so Alex kind of snaps a little bit too. There's just like a lot of angry yelling sure a bit

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You got the tiger by the tail. You've got the problem

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I am the detonator of the revolution you see around you and you know it and my work has just begun

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So fill your hand

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You want a war?

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You got a war

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Fuck that phrase me and been enjoying yourself and your arrogant parts that you're part of the power structure invincible you are

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scum you are

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losers

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You are retarded gremlins

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That fed on this country when she was asleep well she ain't asleep now bitch

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Sure

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So let me tell you about the real mafia of populism

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Tell you about real power

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That comes from real people with real guts and real bones and real morals

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If

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You think hurting and attacking people like me and the American people are now awake will make us go away

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Please continue and you will continue to find out

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Okay

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Sounds very heavily

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We

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Have only begun to fight I'm convinced boom yeah this summer. This is inspiring yeah

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I I don't remember too many

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Like okay, so if you think about the st.. Christmas Day speech you know very famous speech

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General thrust being like hey people who don't die here gonna be like oh

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I wish I had died there very inspiring written by Shakespeare at no point in time. Do you hear him go?

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ah

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long pause

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You had the great orders of the past just like growl as much as Alex does it's a stylistic thing

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No I think that it's also too obvious that this is anger that he feels towards Trump

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Sure. And it's just being yelled about other people.

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Transference is very...

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Yeah, I think it's way too obvious.

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Yeah.

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And I feel bad for him.

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Yeah, the thing about...

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He should just lash out at Trump.

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The thing about a Mad Libs is that there's a bunch of different things that you can put in there.

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It's not just all,

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I'm very mad at Trump, but I can't see it!

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Mm-hmm.

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Mm-hmm!

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So, Alex has got...

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You heard a little laugh there, Dan.

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I did?

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He has a mirthful thought.

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Ahh.

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And that is...

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Holy shit, the future exists.

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And like a boa constrictor, we're wrapped around them, and they got us, we got them.

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And we're just squeeeeeeeeeeeezing.

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Sure.

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And squeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezing.

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Alright.

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And we get stronger, and you get weaker.

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Okay.

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So you just believe your little MSNBC bubble, you just stay in your little bubble,

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you just wear your little virtual reality goggles and just live in your little fantasy land all you want.

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But while you're doing that...

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I'm gonna fuck your wife.

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We're moving.

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And we've just begun to move.

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And if you think you're in trouble now,

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you haven't even begun to run in to the next wave.

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It gets here in about a year.

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You think you can discredit and remove Trump and stop us?

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That's hilarious.

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You think you can take our purity and get us to attack Trump and get him out of the way for you?

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That's a symbol of how good we are and how strong we are.

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And how we're not going away.

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You see our purity as weakness.

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No, it's our strength.

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I think Alex is talking about the midterm elections, which actually makes a lot of sense.

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Yeah.

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He says like in a year what's coming.

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In a year, yeah, yeah.

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That's kind of what I was assuming.

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That's the next time the Republicans can lose some power to be able to credibly rile up

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the base by acting like victims.

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Alex is probably thinking that the Democrats will take back the House and impeach Trump

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over the many crimes that he's committing.

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All the crimes that he's committing.

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And then all the Trump surrogates in the media like Alex can pretend it's all political

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persecution so everyone needs to shut up about how Trump is covering up the Epstein stuff.

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Alex is dreaming of a future that mirrors like 2018 because that was a great time for

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him as a media surrogate.

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The storylines were simple back then.

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Like the kind of stuff you'd read in a children's sci-fi novel.

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Very obvious heroes and villains.

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And that's the territory that Alex's skill set fits into.

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The storylines he's got going on now are way too complicated and it's forcing him to justify

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why his God anointed ruler is covering up child trafficking and blackmail rings.

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So it makes sense that he's fantasizing about this simpler time that's to come when they

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won't control every part of the government.

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Yeah, I mean, there's gotta be, I don't know what it says about humanity as a whole.

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There needs to be a separate competence pool.

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So all of these people love yelling about stuff and they love being like, ah, the government's

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evil and if I was in government, here's what I would do.

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But they don't actually want to do the administration, the doing it.

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You know, like the actual doing of it.

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They want people to go like, they want to say like, oh, I want peace in the Middle East.

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Make it happen.

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Right?

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Like, at best, like be middle management at a think tank.

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Right.

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You're not writing up these position and papers and the white papers and stuff, but you're

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like telling what the intern needs to do.

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Yes.

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We don't need you.

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You're an idea.

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You're all idea people.

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That's great.

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What's wrong with all this shit.

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Absolutely.

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There should be a whole separate thing where those guys get to have their fun and then

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they can have like a wing of the government and it's the wing of like, ah, we're acting

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crazy, but then there's just basic level competence over here.

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Not a problem.

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Well, I think, I think, you know, in the think tank structure of how a lot of, you know,

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the government works.

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Sure.

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That is kind of the way things are.

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Sure.

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Except the, the, the thing shits out of balance now where the competence isn't, there's, there's

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no place for it.

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Right.

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The shit talkers and, and.

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Well, that's the thing is like, it needs to be an equal, like there is another check and

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balance and that's just people with competence.

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Like if they, if the air traffic controllers are just like, no, that is, that counts.

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You know, like the air traffic controllers get an equal part of the government where

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they get to be like, Hey, you guys are fucking up, so we're just not going to work today.

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And then we have to deal with that.

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Like it's a competence based.

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Sure.

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Yeah, no, I, I do.

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I get what you're saying.

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It needs to be in balance.

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It needs to be balanced.

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Yeah.

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So Alex is a guy.

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Yeah.

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And he's not one like the bad guys because the bad guys are okay with coverups and he's

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not okay with coverups except he's actively excusing Trump doing a cup.

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Sure.

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It's a mess.

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Oh my goodness.

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I called it.

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It wasn't hard to call it.

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And I was the bad guy in manga.

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I was undermining Trump.

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Oh, I was, Oh no, we need to shut up about Epstein.

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Well, the majority of manga has morals.

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Unlike some of you that I noticed people that always say, don't criticize Trump had just

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jumped on the bandwagon.

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You're, you're, you're political babies.

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You don't know what you're talking about.

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And obviously this is a hot button issue.

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I've been exposing it since day one, one of the first, it can, it can bring down the whole

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globalist system and it's gotta be done.

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And so we're not like you, we're not like Democrats.

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That'll just cover up evil because it's quote our party.

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I'm not a Republican.

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I'm a populist Christian Patriot and I wanted to look at parties of the tea party and Ron

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Paul.

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We built that beachhead and we've done it to a great extent.

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It's way better than Democrats.

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Okay.

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So lesser of two evils thing.

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So in that clip, Alex says that he's not like the Democrats who will cover up evil because

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that defends the party, but his entire coverage of Trump's Epstein response has been an open

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acknowledgement that Trump's been covering up evil because that defends his party.

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Right.

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It's great if he wants to pretend that he's not a Republican or any of that shit, but

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the names are kind of meaningless at this point.

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The party that would have been thrilled about John McCain or Mitt Romney that we would have

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called the GOP, that doesn't exist anymore.

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No.

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Trump has turned what used to be the GOP into a cult of personality and if Republicans want

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to exist in the future, they're going to need to take the party back or split away.

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Alex is loyal to Trump regardless of how involved he is in covering up evil.

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So in effect, he's heir to the corpse of the Republican party, which he has ridden along

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to the destruction of.

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Yeah.

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If Alex wants to be convincingly populist like he says he is, he needs to come up with

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a better excuse for why Trump covered up the Epstein stuff than the billionaires asked

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him to.

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That seems a little soft on the elites.

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I mean a little bit.

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That kind of gets rid of populist.

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I would also say patriot.

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Can't be a patriot to international global billionaires.

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Not a great Christian.

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No, very not Christian.

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His Christianity is weird.

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His Christianity doesn't count as most religions.

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His Christianity is kind of worshipping the devil.

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His populism is basically the elites.

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And his patriotism is not patriotic.

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None.

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Cool.

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Yeah.

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So this next clip is part of my, I have a fascination with Alex's engagement with James

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Bond.

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Yeah.

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And so I like to poke a little bit whenever he brings up something from James Bond.

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I mean, I've been in these meetings at the time we're just kind of the world's lawyers

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are trying to buy me off.

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They got me there under another pretense.

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And they're like, are you working with the GS 794 group or is it the blue a little bit?

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And the Q is go Q.

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He said Q they've been calling super top secret stuff.

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Q on the OSS from a four over two.

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That's why they call James Bond's technician Q. Dumbo's.

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Dumbo.

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Dumbo's.

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The character Q doesn't appear in any of Ian Fleming's Bond novels, just in the movies.

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In the original books, there are some references to the Q branch, which was the place that

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came up with his fun gadgets.

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Fleming based that department on Charles Frazier Smith, who was an inventor during World War

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one.

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He built things that came to be called Q devices because he was enlisted on a British Q ship,

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which were named after the port that they originally deployed from, which was Queenstown

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in Ireland.

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Fun.

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Q isn't really a person in the James Bond movies.

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It's like a role within MI6.

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The name is Q partially as an homage to Frazier Smith and partially because his job is quarter

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master.

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I just don't know how much Alex, I don't know how he handles being around so many stupid

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fucking people all the time.

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They can't tell the difference from reality and fiction.

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I just, Dumbo's.

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I just appreciate that I have no doubt he has told other people this and they have been

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like, wow, that's so interesting.

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That no point in time have they been like, you are making that up whole cloth because

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you are so lazy.

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You would rather make up a story than just look up, why is it called?

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You could just Google like, why is it called Q?

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And then he would tell you the whole fucking story.

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It's like the kind of tidbit you throw out drunk at the bar and everyone just kind of

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goes along with it because no one wants to fight.

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And it's what his show consists of largely.

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Why not?

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It seems like if that's your thing, what a weird thing for you to lie about.

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So yeah, we'll just go along with it.

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We're your friends.

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You wouldn't just lie about Q to your friends for no reason, right?

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Right.

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And it doesn't matter.

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It's James Bond.

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But Alex would absolutely lie to you for no reason.

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He does it.

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Yeah.

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And he does it on his show all the time.

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All the time.

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So he's also the best.

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That's true.

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At what?

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Everything.

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Oh, that does mix it up.

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I had other intelligence agency visits and things too, including foreign ones I've mentioned.

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Because they went and got the database and my family and some of the stuff they've been

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involved in, but they never told me anything other than the government's corrupt and evil

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and you can't trust them.

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Sure.

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That seems like a lot.

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So I didn't grow up around all the political science books and military books and engineering

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and you know, but I was never told any of this stuff.

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I was just told how the world works.

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So I was in the right soil with the right mind and the right background to be a futurist,

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analyst, expert of experts, the best.

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And I don't say that as a power trip.

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The enemy already knows I'm the best.

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Steve Bannon says I'm the best.

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And I don't know, he's super smart.

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There's a few of us, okay?

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But I am the best.

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I'm as good as it gets, boys and girls.

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Oof.

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Sure would be a shame if that guy who validates Alex's ego so well just happened to be friends

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with Jeffrey Epstein.

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It would be, yeah.

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He'd hate to let something like that get in the way of being able to feel like the best

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in the world.

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It'd be a real problem.

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It's fun to think back on how much Alex used to hate Steve Bannon back when Roger was feuding

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with him.

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Maybe part of Roger's pardon agreement was that he and Bannon had to make nice.

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It would explain the change in overall tone.

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Well, you know, it did happen around there.

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I think the timeline might not match up totally.

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Well, he was in prison for a little while, so.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if the pardon timeline works out, but whatever Roger thinks of Steve Bannon

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is what Alex thinks of him.

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It does feel that way.

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Man, I can't believe that you, you know, okay.

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Here's what's underlying things with this whole idea of if Trump does this, it'll take

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down the government or like too many people or yada, yada, yada.

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At the end of the day, if you truly believe that our government, which has a total of

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what, 565 people in Congress or 465, whatever it is, and then you've got the executive branch

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and then you've got the judicial branch.

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So there's like fucking 500 people.

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If you think that more than 251 of those people are actively involved with Jeffrey Epstein,

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then the whole government needs to go.

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Right.

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Like if more than half, then it's too many period.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Like that's just not possible.

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Yeah, definitely.

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And there is no real functional way to do that without like, let's start over.

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Absolutely.

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And look, I mean, the government, like let's make a new government or whatever.

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Sure.

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Obviously I think realistically is not something that would go well.

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The idea of it.

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But at the same time, where did our government come from?

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That's the problem.

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People created it.

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It's not like we can't hit a hard reset or something.

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Here's what's crazy.

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We all learn about it and we all read about it, but they banged out the whole government

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in less than a year.

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That's not okay.

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People are able to collaborate, coordinate, negotiate.

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There is a capability for that.

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And like the idea of, I don't think it's going to happen.

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I think it would be a mess.

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But the idea that like a new constitution could be written isn't impossible.

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Absolutely.

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We banned drinking in the whole country a hundred years ago.

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Drinking!

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That's what we love to do.

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We can get a new country.

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It feels easier than banning drinking now.

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Sure.

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And I will say that this does feel a lot different than the position I would have had like five

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years ago.

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I think my horizons have been widened.

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That'll happen.

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So Trump, his base is cool.

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Not like the Democrats.

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They suck.

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They're all dumb.

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And so we need Trump to succeed.

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But that said, Trump's base is not like on average the serve all Democrats.

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They're more sophisticated and they're based on moral guide stones that they expect.

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So Trump went down like six, seven points.

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We had the pollsters on there very accurate, like Mark Mitchell, when he said, if you want

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Epstein out, you believe that, you know, you're not mug.

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You're not in our movement.

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Well, that's like 95 percent of your base.

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I mean, that's like you've been happily married 10 years and one day you just come home and

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beat the shit out of your wife and you wonder why she's leaving.

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I mean, that was this is like maybe you can knock her upside the head a few times.

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She forgives you the first time you go to counseling.

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But I'm like, don't beat us up.

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Don't tell that story.

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Station wagon with the kids and leave.

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That's my analogy.

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Yeah.

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I mean, like it's gross to hear from someone who has been accused of domestic violence.

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The exact things.

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I think it's a pretty good analogy, though, for the way that Trump treats his followers.

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Like even Alex can't find a good way to articulate it without describing domestic violence.

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Yeah.

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Alex thinks that he's making the point that Trump's base is more sophisticated than Democrats

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and that they have moral principles.

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But really, what he's saying is that the elements that make up Trump's base actually hate each

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other.

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But they had a flimsy truce that's now broken.

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The Nazi wing hates the right wing Israel supporters.

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The white nationalists hate the pro immigration big business interests on the right.

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The conspiracy folks hate everyone who thinks running a government isn't as easy as posting

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on a message board.

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They all hate each other.

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Most of them put aside these really obvious feuds that they have with each other in the

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name of gaining power and fighting the imaginary enemy of woke Antifa leftists.

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But now that they've taken all of the power, each of these factions wants it for themselves.

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They want to be the next wave of what the Trump movement becomes.

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And I'll just spoil what's next for them.

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It's whatever the billionaires want.

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Maybe JD Vance, but basically someone like that who's backed by folks like Peter Thiel

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and Elon Musk.

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Trump can't legally run again.

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And if each of these factions insists on some ideologically pure candidate that serves their

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niche hate, then the Democrats going to win in 2028 if there's an election.

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I was going to say, yeah.

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That's the race against time, right?

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That's what they're...

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That's what I mean.

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If I'm one of them trying to play the game that I feel like is laid out in front of me,

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right?

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So imagine I'm the player.

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Is this a Game of Thrones?

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It is a little bit like a Game of Thrones.

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Chaos is a ladder.

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Right, right.

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If I'm the player and I'm looking at what they're doing, then it is all a race against

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time to get rid of the electoral democracy, essentially, and replace it with something

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like Russia's very controlled, totally democracy, democracy.

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That's the idea.

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And if you can't do that in three years, you're fucked.

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So it feels like that is what they should be focusing on at all times.

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So I don't know.

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That's kind of why I don't even understand why they're bothering with the Epstein stuff.

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If it's me, I'm just going like, we need to erode everything.

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Well, because I think that the mainstream of the GOP is already doing that.

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And so you don't need to advocate for that because people like Mike Johnson and Trump

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and all of his cabinet are doing that already.

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They are.

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They did doge for fuck's sake.

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They gave it a shot.

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Yeah.

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So they're already doing everything that you need to do on that institutional front.

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And so what you want to do is you want to stake out your position of why you are the

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pure new Tea Party or whatever that will be able to wield this power in the future.

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You want to, I mean, I hate to do more Game of Thrones shit, but you want to stake your

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claim as the rightful heir.

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Right, right, right, right.

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Naturally.

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Of course.

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No, no, no.

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But I mean, that's kind of where we're at is they've taken a government that we all

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kind of processed and understood as being a nuanced series of complex systems that all

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interweaved to try and just make our days happen and turned it into like, okay, this

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person is angering me.

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So I take their fiefdom away for the day.

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You know, like that's where we're at.

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Yeah.

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And I think they fail or whatever.

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You know, Alex is, you know, a milieu of folks fails to recognize is like, all you really

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want is an asshole.

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Yep.

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Like if they just replace Trump with another fucking asshole that you could project your

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like weird beliefs onto, you'd be perfectly happy.

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Yep.

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So they don't need to do government.

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Like you're not paying attention to the government they are doing.

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So just let somebody be an asshole and somebody else do the government.

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Yeah.

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And I think that they should, if the, if the folks on the right were wise, I think what

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they would do is start trying to cultivate a really fun asshole.

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Yeah.

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Because like Nick Fuentes is leading some sort of a faction, but he's never going to

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win over certain parts of the right wing.

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Nope.

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Marjorie Taylor Greene is leading some kind of faction, but she's never going to get some

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parts of, they're never going to be able to create that coalition that Trump has and they

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need an asshole.

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And Rogan doesn't have the interest.

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No.

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He's too fucking rich and lazy.

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Yeah.

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And I think, I think he understands that he like.

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Might get killed.

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Yeah.

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Like I think he understands the added risks of entering that arena.

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I mean, it's, it's just basic, you know, like there's no situation where Rogan has anything

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better than what he has right now, unless he has a mega-lomaniacal need for power.

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Yeah.

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Ironically, if he becomes president, he becomes less useful to the people who facilitate him.

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Absolutely.

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And I mean, it's, it's interesting how stark it is of like that Joe Rogan is not pursuing

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power, should tell you all you need to know about people in Joe Rogan's position who do

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pursue power.

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They're psychopaths.

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Yeah.

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They should just start a dumb comedy club.

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Absolutely.

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It's not woke.

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You're not going to bother anybody.

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You're going to have fun.

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It's going to be great.

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So someone who's been bothering people is that Elijah Shafer.

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Sure.

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We talked about it on the last episode.

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We did.

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Guy hates Indian Americans.

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What a wild, yeah, go for it, man.

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I guess.

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He mentioned in his discussion of his lawsuit, like Kash Patel's girlfriend is suing him.

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He mentioned that he brought Max Blumenthal from the gray zone into like, he's like, Hey

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man, look, I got sued.

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But yeah, so Max has been covering.

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Right.

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Great.

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And I think because of that, Max Blumenthal ends up on Info Wars.

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So Alex is going to interview him.

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And I think it's mostly predicated on the Elijah Shafer.

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Circle drinking?

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Yeah.

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I'm going to shut up now.

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We only have like 30 minutes, 35 minutes.

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Max Blumenthal, great journalist, really smart guy.

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The gray zone.com.

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He broke the Elijah Shafer stuff.

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And he's again, joins us right now.

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Really appreciate him coming on with us.

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It's an interesting guest because I don't think Alex knows anything about him or at

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least fundamentally doesn't understand how different their positions are.

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Yeah.

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I don't think I know anything about him.

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I am not an expert.

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Okay.

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But I think that he is definitely more of a guy who has strong criticisms of like CIA

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shit.

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Sure.

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Does he fancy himself like a real journalist too?

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Yeah.

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Intercept.

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He's Greenwald.

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Oh, he's that kind of asshole.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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I gotcha.

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Um, I, but like I said, I don't know enough about him to speak like authoritatively on

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what his positions are.

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But generally he's that kind of guy who's like, yeah, everyone's attacking Maduro, but

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that's because the CIA is trying to destabilize his government, blah, blah, blah.

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So they have like a massive departure in terms of a lot of their international understanding.

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Right.

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But also he is clearly a shithead and like a bad political set domestically.

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Yeah.

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We're, we're, we've got two not necessarily compatible fictional worlds, but not necessarily

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in active conflict, fictional worlds.

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No.

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And certainly ones that have had reason to overlap a lot more before this bombing of

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Iran and the Epstein stuff has completely blown up Trump's fragile hold on all these

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different groups.

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As Alex put it, if Trump had just shut up.

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You just shut up.

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So I think that it becomes pretty clear quickly that Alex does not really understand the difference

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of opinion that he and his guests have.

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Okay.

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Where do you want to start?

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Do you agree we're going into Maga civil war?

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You want to start with the Elijah Shaffer suit?

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You want to start with the Epstein stuff?

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Cause it all, it's all interconnected.

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Where do you want to go?

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I don't even know if you know, if we can call this a civil war, it's like the base against

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the donor class and all the phonies that the donor class has just, has just put out

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there.

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It's the 99% of Maga against the 1%.

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That's the way I, it's a literal class war.

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The real populist movement that took over probably Republican party is now at war with

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the Republican establishment.

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That's Uniparty holding on by its fingernails.

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And something I do want to talk about at some point, but I think we should cover everything.

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You got the floor.

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I'm going to shut up right now.

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But they, Donald Trump is being pushed by Marco Rubio, one of the coauthors of TPS to

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attack Venezuela.

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He's about to destabilize South America and cause another massive migration wave and a

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civil war in South America.

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They're lying about Venezuela being a narco cartel government.

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The cocaine and fentanyl is not coming from there.

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It's coming from the West coast, from countries that are allied with the U S.

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So Alex got really excited about that Maga people versus Maga donor class line that Max

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dropped.

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But I don't think that Alex did any homework on his guest because Max is saying that Trump

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is part of that donor class.

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He also completely disagrees with Alex about fundamental matters of reality, like the stuff

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about Venezuela.

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So Alex whiffed on this booking.

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I don't care for Max Blumenthal, but he has a brand to maintain.

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So when Alex gets into a conversation with him, he's not just going to yes and everything

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that Alex says, like one of his normal dipshit guests who's just like happy to be there.

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I mean, Viva fry will say whatever the fuck Alex wants.

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Yeah.

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Max, not so much.

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Considering the way we view airtime and advertising at this point, Alex's show is a donor show.

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Like it is him donating money and time to Trump.

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So he is also in that donor class.

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Alex has said he's a media surrogate.

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Absolutely.

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And he's really rich.

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I mean, it's a, it's a telethon ongoing for the advancement of Trump.

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That's how it's going to go.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, their interview is not, uh, like it's not groundbreaking.

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And I think that Alex really does not fully grasp what Max is going with.

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A lot of it is, uh, anti-Israel stuff.

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And it feels a bit like some of that shit drifts into some pretty antisemitic territory,

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but I don't know enough about Max, uh, to say like what his foundation is.

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And he's also a Jewish American.

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And I don't, I don't know, like, I don't know what his perspective is.

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So I don't want to speak on that.

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Um, but it does like, there's something very notable about him and Alex.

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And that is that, uh, you heard even in that last clip, uh, he's complaining about Marco

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Rubio.

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Right.

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And when, uh, Max has criticisms of Israel, a lot of the time that does include Christian

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Zionist right-wing figures on the right, like Marco Rubio or like RFK Jr.

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Right.

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Everybody who's like holing the land and hating the people.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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It's always Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro, Josh Hammer.

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It's all Jewish Americans.

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And that, like, I'm not saying that Max's critiques are less coming from a place of

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like, this sucks.

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Sure, sure, sure, sure.

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Um, but it's pretty, it makes it glaring how much Alex is.

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Right.

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So this is, uh, like he, he's not grasping that, uh, Max's position is mostly anti-Trump

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and like Trump sucks.

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This guy's a piece of shit.

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He's going to go bomb Venezuela.

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The fuck are we doing?

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He's allowing the CIA to cover up the Mossad shit with the Epstein stuff.

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Um, and so Alex has like a final question for him that just does not grasp the negativity.

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In closing, looking at the coverup of Epstein, uh, now you've got the FBI covering up crooks

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and people helping him.

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You've got this rapid response team.

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Uh, and it's all unraveling.

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Turns out they did have all this internet data and metadata on crooks said they did.

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And that's all coming out from our own reporter and she's coming on later.

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I mean, this is, this is disintegrating very, very quickly.

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How do you expect the Democrats to play this?

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I mean, what are the different possible outcomes of this?

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Let me ask this.

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I should have said that, but how does Trump extricate himself from this?

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So Max, his point is generally speaking like Trump is bad.

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This is bad.

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He cannot extricate himself because himself is the problem.

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Right.

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And that really also highlights this difference that Alex is like asking him, how do we save

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Trump?

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Yeah.

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How do we get it?

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I mean, I can't grasp in the moment of the interview like that.

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It's just, no, there is a decision is made.

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Yeah.

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The line has been crossed.

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And you should know that.

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Yeah, no, that's, that is, that's supposed to be again, like I keep going back to this.

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That's supposed to be the luxury of being Alex is when everybody else has to like question

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where the line is, you get to say, my line has already been crossed.

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You know, like when somebody else goes like, oh, well I, I, I will still support George

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W. Bush, even though I don't support the Iraq war because blah, blah, blah, blah,

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blah.

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Right.

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The line hasn't been crossed, but if he did this for Trump and for Alex has already been

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crossed a hundred times, right.

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You already, I don't even need to ask the question.

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What's he doing?

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Don't care.

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Yeah.

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Hate him.

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And you know, and now that this coalition is, you know, breaking down and there are

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more people who he would have presumed to be allies who are now like, fuck this Trump

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shit.

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Yep.

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They're going to encounter more and more guests that he thinks are like kind of safe workshopping

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partners.

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Yeah.

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And instead they're going to be like, no, you should have moved on from this long ago.

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Yeah.

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This is, you're holding onto something and it's embarrassing.

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I'm sure that their personal perceptions prior to the actual talking to him is still kind

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of modeled on what they think or what they think that Alex should be.

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So they're kind of going in there.

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I'm sure he was going in there thinking like, yeah, we'll talk about Epstein, you know,

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because it's wrong to have pedophile billionaires run everything.

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Yeah.

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I don't think most people actually watch his show.

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Right.

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So they have a caricature of him in their minds.

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Yep.

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So anyway, Max leaves and Alex decides to start complaining about how this is important

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stuff.

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Yeah.

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Mark Levin, he thinks he has a big audience, but he doesn't.

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He's not as big as Alex.

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Oh my God.

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I mean, there are a lot of people in my life that, it was just people I've known that a

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society totally collapsed and road warrior, there's no more whatever.

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And they, you know, eye for an eye that, you know, I saw him on the street, they'd have

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a problem, but I got to think about what would happen if I did the thing I want to do.

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I can't do that.

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Plus, they're not even worth it, but it just must feel good to be Mark Levin.

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Sitting up there saying he's got the biggest audience when he's not even in the top 20.

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I mean, I've been number one English speaker in the world, not just news.

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I've been number one.

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I'm in the top five, but it's not like some, it's a responsibility.

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I'm actually glad I'm not number one now.

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But then I got to see somebody that's never won the Indy 500.

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It'd be like if you never won a Super Bowl ring and I won like five of them, he's talking

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about how he's the best football player.

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I'm like, dude, you ain't got a Super Bowl ring.

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I got five.

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It's like some guy that never even made the NBA telling me he's Michael Jordan.

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I'm just like, dude, shut up.

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You are pathetic.

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So I was a little kid.

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You got the biggest show.

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It's just like, what?

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You sound like, you know, 10 year olds in the boys bathroom showing each other their

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dicks.

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I mean, it's just like, dude, think a little more about what you do, you schmuck.

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Seriously, man.

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Oh, God helps.

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Oh boy.

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You okay, buddy?

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There's still time to get out of this.

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Oh my God.

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No, there isn't.

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No, just fucking go.

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The long pause before the there's time to get out of this makes me feel like, yeah,

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you're right.

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It's there.

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You can escape.

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Okay.

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So it feels like this.

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Here's what it feels like to me.

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If you are going to torture somebody, you can do the regular torture.

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You can do the pain, you can do the rack, you can do all that stuff.

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But the real way to truly torture somebody is to edge them for like 10 years and still

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never let it happen.

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You know, like at a certain point, that pain becomes so all consuming that you're just

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like, I can only think about one thing.

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My existence has been boiled down to the simple purpose of coming one time and you'll never

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do it.

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Are you talking like this?

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Because Alex talked about dicks.

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A little bit.

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A little bit.

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Getting a little blue.

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Dicks are on the mind.

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Dicks are on the mind.

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See, I was thinking like you can't really destroy someone without giving them the chance

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to have everything they want.

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Because Alex could have everything that he wants if he just would have had the instincts

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to not go along with Trump for the long haul.

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And like he's destroyed himself through this.

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Like no globalist or MSNBC host could, or podcast that's done a thousand episodes, none

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of those things could do as much damage to him as what he has to do now.

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And it's a risk.

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Because if you were to offer him like a choice, if I could go back in time and be like, hey,

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here's the choice they're going to make.

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One version of it has to be like everything is fucking awesome.

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And it has to be your own fault.

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And he can't, and even if he did go back in time, he would find himself unable to make

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that same, like he would continue to fill this loop because he is just a shitty person.

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This is just who he is.

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You've brought up something interesting.

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And I think that if I were Alex Jones and future Alex Jones visited me, I would not

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trust him.

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Absolutely not.

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I know me.

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I'm me.

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Fuck you.

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Even if he is giving good advice, like don't do the Trump shit.

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I think it means I should do the Trump.

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Is this a globalist hologram?

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Okay.

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First things first.

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I know your first response is going to be not to believe me.

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I'm you.

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Believe me.

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All right.

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I know your second response to me saying believe me is going to make you believe me even less.

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I know I'm you.

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It feels like a double bluff.

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Oh shit.

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I'm going to go back.

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Are you a triple agent or a quadruple agent?

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I'm too lazy.

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I quit.

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So, uh, Alex, uh, you know, he's, he's interviewed Max and now Roger comes in.

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Right.

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And how can we extricate Trump from this?

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Roger, please make it suck less for me to say it's okay to cover up Epstein.

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It's definitely, they're more on a similar bandwidth, but there's something really interesting

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that happens right at the beginning of the interview.

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And that is the Alex steals the donor class versus the public thing that max brought up.

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And so it's an optics issue overall, Roger, we're two minutes to break, but it's give

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me a prelude stone zone.com on where you describe where we are.

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I think there's really a battle going on between the Republican donor class and the consultant

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class and the 99% as Max Blumenthal said of his base.

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I think the base wants to hear, he's like, I'm helping internationally.

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Like, why do you care about international?

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Cause it affects the series.

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He's totally right.

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But it's the optics.

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I think he needs to, you know, stroke the cat stroke, the dog tele.

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I mean, am I wrong here?

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We only got a minute to break.

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Roger.

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Alex, anybody who underestimates Donald Trump does show at their own peril.

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This is a very interesting moment because Alex has just finished interviewing Max Blumenthal,

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who's pretty negative about Trump.

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And now he's pivoting to interviewing Roger Stone, who couldn't be more positive.

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Some people might look at that and get fooled into thinking that this illustrates a diversity

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of opinion on this show, but really the way to understand it is that Roger is preaching

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the party line and Max is there as a consultant.

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He has some criticisms of Trump, but Alex pretends that the conversation that they're

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having is secretly about how Trump can get out of this mess.

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That's everyone else's fault.

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Max's point about the 99% of the Trump base being in opposition to the donor class wasn't

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a suggestion of a way out for Trump.

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It was a very clear thing that Trump was on the side of the donor class.

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In Alex's mind, this whole thing was just war gaming.

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For Alex, he heard Max say that line and he immediately recognized that it was good branding.

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So he's trying to repackage it with Roger and sell it as a way for them to support Trump

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in the future.

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They can still support Trump if he adopts the optics that he's fighting against the

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donor class and all that stuff that the base doesn't like, that's just due to donor class

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loyalists like Kash Patel and Pam Bondi.

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You got it.

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The deep state.

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It's exactly that.

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Alex sees the power of this line in terms of making someone into a scapegoat.

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So he's taking it like he did with instinctive every other catchphrase that he's ever had.

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I don't even know if he, I doubt he consciously thought about it.

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It just happens.

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Yep.

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It's a very powerful memory.

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I think this is a really good example of how truth and context really don't mean anything

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to Alex.

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These words in that order triggered something in his brain and made him think that just

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might work.

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So that's what they mean now.

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Yep.

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No, it doesn't even bother him or ever occur to him to think, is any of that true?

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You know, like it doesn't bother him.

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Or what does that mean?

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Right, right, right.

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So if Trump and the donor class versus 99%, it never even crosses his mind like, well,

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Trump is on one of those teams.

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Like in his head, he can just bounce back and forth whenever you want.

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Yeah.

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It's an optics thing.

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Whichever's more advantageous.

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Yeah, pretend that you're on the 99 side.

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Absolutely.

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Just say it.

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I do.

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And shut up.

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Shut up.

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Lie, stop lying, and let other people do the rest of the work for you.

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Right.

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Let me and Roger deal with this shit.

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Yep.

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Roger is trying to deal with this shit.

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Of course.

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So look, this Epstein thing just aggravates the hell out of me because I've researched

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it.

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I've probably written more about it than anyone alive.

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And it is a- Sounds true.

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The idea that Donald Trump has some untoward or inappropriate relationship with Jeffrey

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Epstein or that he spent Thanksgiving of 2017 while he was president of the United States

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with Epstein is absurd.

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They've cherry picked these emails in a massive- Hold on, let's come back and describe it.

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You're absolutely right.

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Let's come back.

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So what Roger is unwilling to recognize because he's deeply invested in Trump is that no appropriate

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relationship exists with Epstein.

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You can't have an appropriate one.

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Yeah, you cannot do it.

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No.

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People who commit crimes, even heinous ones, don't automatically deserve to become shunned

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by everyone in society.

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And redemption is possible for people, but Epstein was an unrepentant criminal.

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He didn't seem to think that what he was doing was wrong and therefore everyone who knew

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him and chose to stick around and they had an inappropriate relationship with him by

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default.

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He thought he was allowed to, if not commanded to by higher powers, behave the exact way

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he was doing.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Maybe it's fine.

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If you're a guy who like works at a shop or something, maybe you can be friendly with

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an unrepentant sex trafficker, but it's fucking insane to extend that kind of latitude to

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someone who wants to be president.

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It's just not okay.

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There's no possible context where it's like, hey, look, we had a cool friendship.

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I mean, even the guy, even the fictional guy, like we're out at a bar some day and he's

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like, man, I don't tell anybody this, but I'm actually pretty good friends with Jeffrey

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Epstein.

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I'd be like, I don't want to be friends with you anymore.

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No, it's a deficiency of character.

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That's psycho.

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Yeah.

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I guess unless he was like, I have a weird perverse fetish towards, no, actually that's

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worse.

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Yep.

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I wonder, I don't know.

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I think it's not possible.

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Yeah.

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But I wonder if it's possible to just be like, I fucking hate this guy.

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I'm just stealing his money.

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I wonder if that's, I don't think it is.

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Yeah.

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Cause I think when you get into those echelons of money, people don't just give away money.

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Yeah.

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I wonder if at a certain point there isn't a situation where it should be an automatic

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like animal response of trying to attack this.

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Like, you know what I mean?

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Like if, if he comes near you, if Jeffrey Epstein walks near you, there shouldn't even

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be the chance for a conversation.

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You should like animalistically attack him.

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Or run.

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Or run.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But either way, do you know what I'm saying?

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Like you're describing a fight or flight response.

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This is not a communicate or like what's your position or what do you think about what you're

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doing?

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It's either I'm attacking you or I'm never seeing you.

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The end.

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If he asks you for directions on the street, it's only acceptable to give him directions

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if you don't know who he is.

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Yeah.

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Or to give him directions to a hole with a bunch of fucking spikes in it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No matter how you slice it and however Alex and Roger want to spin whatever emails come

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out, Epstein first got in trouble with the police in Florida about sexually exploiting

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minors in 2005 and the whole getting kicked out of Mar-a-Lago shit wasn't until 2007.

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I can't even imagine what horrible shit Roger knows.

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Like he... it's... bleh.

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No, this is one of those times where, you know, for the longest time we've all lived

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in this space of like these conspiracy theories are ridiculous.

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All of this stuff is overblown or it's a distraction from just being in the government.

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This is one specific thing where it's like, we all know this.

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It should be fairly easy to handle, honestly.

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Right.

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And it's still something that people are succumbing to conspiracy around.

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Exactly.

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And that is definitely true.

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And it is not like, I don't think anyone is well served by like, you know, playing into

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that.

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No.

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But there's also like so much more that's going on here than any of the other instances

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of like Pizzagate and all that other shit.

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No, it's ridiculous.

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Yeah.

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So Alex is like, he's trying to push this image that the Democrats don't want the Epstein

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files released.

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Sure.

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Now that now that like it looks like it's going to happen, the Democrats don't want

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it.

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They're trying to stop it.

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So Roger, why then did Trump doze from releasing?

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I know it's a whole bunch of suits and crap and bull and everything.

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I get it.

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It's not a it's not a case, not a file.

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It's a bunch of stuff.

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Why then move to the deer in the headlights and all the stuff that made everybody pique

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their interest and created the Streisand effect?

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And where do you see this going?

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Because I'm sure you know now the Democrats now don't want to vote to release it.

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And Democrat judges want to block it being released because we know it was in there.

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The Democrats.

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So the Epstein files Transparency Act passed the House with only Republican Clay Higgins

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voting against it.

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And Chuck Schumer called it for it to pass the Senate by unanimous consent.

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Every single Democrat in Congress and all but one Republican voted for this to be released.

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Previously Mike Johnson had not sworn in the new Democratic representative who won a special

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election in September blaming the delay on the government shutdown.

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That representative, Adelida Grijalva, ended up being the 218th signature on the Epstein

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Act, which is the number that the House needs to require them to take up a discharge petition.

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There are 435 members of the House and of the 218 who signed on for this act, how many

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do you think are Republicans?

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Um...

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Nine.

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Four.

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Eeee!

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Every Democrat in the House said release that shit and the only Republicans who were on

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board were Marjorie Taylor Greene, who Trump went on to attack to the point where she now

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quit Congress, Lauren Boebert, Nancy Bass, and Thomas Massie.

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Many of the other 200 or so Republicans could have signed on at any point and gotten it

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to the 218 number that they needed, but they knew that Trump was pissed off about this

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and that he would attack them if they did that.

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So they were holding back and kinda hoping that Mike Johnson could delay ceding the new

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Democratic rep or that Trump would be able to scare Marjorie Taylor Greene or sway Boebert

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away from signing on to this thing.

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When it became clear that this end result was inevitable, then they all voted for it

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to pass.

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Funny how that works!

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But if there was another option, it would have been for Republicans and all of the Democrats

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who were voting for these files to be released and they wouldn't be able to hit their number.

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This isn't to say that there's no Democratic politicians that are likely to be implicated

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by whatever gets released, just that the idea that the Democrats are trying to stop the

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Transparency Act is a shameful fiction that Alex is peddling in order to carry water for

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Trump, who by Alex's own admission is covering up the Epstein crimes because billionaires

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asked him to.

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This is pathetic.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I mean, it tells you everything.

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It admits everything.

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At the very least, it admits that the Republicans in power as it stands feel like holding Trump

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accountable would make them so weak that they cannot compete.

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Right?

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And that's part of why Marjorie Taylor Greene was like, I'm quitting, is because she's like,

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in the next midterm, I'm gonna just have Trump fucking with me.

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Like I've put a big, and you know, sure, some of that's a political calculation on her part,

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but like, it's true.

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Yeah, no.

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And all of the Republican people in the House know that.

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They all know that they would be in the exact same position.

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No, she is.

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I don't know.

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I'm so shocked to compliment her above most of the rest of Congress because this is the

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right move.

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You gotta go away to come back.

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If this blows over, she is positioned, one, with a lot of money now that she gathered

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in a very short period of time, which tells you a lot about how great government is.

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And then she's got the bona fides to be like, hey, this guy sucks again.

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I can just scream more.

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I can go back to work.

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Yeah, it's a tactical position that you can say like, that is the right call.

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That's the right call.

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Like Nick not voting for Trump very publicly in 2024.

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Totally.

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Like it's gonna get you some kind of heat and it might look like you're a loser and

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you're not part of the cool kid table, but it's ultimately the best thing you can do

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for yourself.

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Yeah, think five years ahead.

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Don't think next month.

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That's ultimately what everybody is looking at is a bunch of people thinking about next

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month and nobody thinking like, well, what happens in five years?

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And I think that she probably rightly understands that there's nothing left for her within this

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government.

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Yeah, that's definitely true.

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She could probably start a show or something and write a book.

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There is another argument to be made that she wasn't making the right move so much as

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she was pushed off at the right time.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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She cut bait.

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Yeah.

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It was like your fishing line is snagged on a branch.

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Just give up.

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Just let it go.

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Yeah.

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Go somewhere else.

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So Roger, he's like, that's all the Dems.

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It's all the Dems.

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It's all the Dems.

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The Dems are the ones who are bad here.

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Makes sense.

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Who really is guilty here?

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Who?

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Who was on the island?

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Bill Clinton, Senate Majority Leader George Mitchell, Treasury Secretary Larry Summers,

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all Democrats go to the Federal Election Commission records.

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Who was taking big bucks from Epstein?

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Schumer, the Democrat Senatorial Committee.

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You won't find any money to Republicans and you won't find any Republicans on the island.

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And in the Ivy League, seven, eight, nine year old children for John Podesta's entertainment

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are being liberated to a secretive house in the woods in northern New York for his entertainment

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and for Aleister Crowley time.

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So it's all over them.

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It's constant.

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There's never exactly.

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This is, this is insane.

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We're doing Pizzagate.

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Alex is just targeting back to Pizzagate.

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I mean, I feel like that should have gotten booze.

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Yeah.

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I feel like the people in the studio should be like, boo.

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Yeah.

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Roger should have been like, yeah, come on.

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Don't do boo.

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So Roger can yell about Clinton and Larry Summers and now they're Democrats all he wants,

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but it just doesn't work as a deflection.

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No one cares because they're all fine with Clinton and Summers facing consequences too.

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No one is doing hysterical radio shows trying to defend Clinton or Summers.

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And if people were, I'd probably think that they were as sleazy as Roger looks.

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Absolutely.

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Like you are defending someone who's in a position of the same as like Larry Summers

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and Clinton.

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There are so many people, there are so many people.

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There's like easily more than 10,000 people.

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I don't understand why you have to be like, man, this one guy is so special that if we

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just get rid of, like fuck, just get rid of half of these guys.

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You got another guy that looks exactly like them waiting.

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Right?

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Well, if you're talking about Trump, I think for Roger it's that they're friends of decades.

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He probably knows some shit about him that gives him leverage and Trump is willing to

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abuse the justice system to get him out of prison for crimes.

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So like I think for Roger, Trump is pretty special.

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No, absolutely.

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Yeah.

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No, again, Roger makes perfect sense.

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Anybody behaving in Roger's position the way Roger's behaving?

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Yeah.

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Of course.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Yeah.

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He's a piece of shit and he's doing piece of shit stuff.

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Yeah.

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I'm talking about like how many other people or like how Alex is trying to rally people

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around Trump and it's like, man, just get a new asshole.

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Like we were talking about.

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There's so many more of them.

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I think that Alex might be like, that's why that little tiny kernel of like weird conspiracy

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thinking gets into your brain or it's like, there's gotta be some kind of blackmail on

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Alex that Roger has that's keeping him in line.

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Cause it's so dumb to not leave.

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I mean, come on.

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But I think maybe like the desire to like not just find another asshole is that it would

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reveal how thin the game has been for a decade.

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Right.

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You know, like

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I, and you know what?

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I think that is, there is a certain prejudice I think that I have there, which is the idea

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to me that you don't have it already.

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You don't have the thinness figured out by now is an indictment of you no longer of their

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abilities.

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You know what I mean?

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Sure.

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Like if you can't see it by now, I don't know if you're ever going to see it.

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No, that's true.

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That's true.

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And I struggle to imagine who Alex's audience even is at this point.

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Like I, I can't imagine someone not finding someone who's a little bit more coherent,

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makes more sense.

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Yeah.

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Isn't this embarrassing?

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You don't have to go far.

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No.

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It's a short walk, man.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's all people all over that rumble.

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There's so many people.

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Yep.

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So Roger talks a little bit about the economy because that's really like, that's where we're

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all thinking.

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Let's talk about Epstein.

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Let's talk about the economy.

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Food prices have come down.

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Yes.

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Gas prices have come down, but food prices are still not as low as they were in the final

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year of Trump's first term as president.

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So although things are better, they're not so much better that the American people are

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yet feeling the incredible job this president doing.

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It does take time.

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It does take effort.

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Take the tariffs, for example.

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Back in June, we had the first month in which the American people had an actual surplus,

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meaning the government took in more money than it paid out.

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That is an extraordinary accomplishment.

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But the president can't turn around an ocean liner in less than a year.

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He's been president for less than a year.

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And these things do take time.

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I find these attacks on Tucker Carlson to be repugnant, particularly when they're coming

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from people who were never MAGA.

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People who supported Ted Cruz for president, and then they supported Nikki Haley for president.

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Now they're trying to tell us that we're, we're, you and I, and people like us who are

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from Donald Trump from the very beginning, that we're not MAGA.

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People like Tucker Carlson.

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That is outrageous.

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I agree.

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And so we need, I'm telling you, five point boost just on this alone.

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Trump is used to come out and say, I support the First Amendment.

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I support Tucker Carlson.

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Trump's already been pretty clear that he's hostile to the First Amendment.

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Alex just pretended like that didn't happen.

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I'm sure he could come out and say he loves speech and Tucker Carlson now and Alex would

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swoon, but the whole flag burning thing was, by Alex's own definition, a flagrant attack

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on free speech.

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Trump signed an executive order telling the DOJ to prosecute people for burning flags,

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which is explicitly protected speech.

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Alex doesn't care about the principles behind any of this shit.

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It's all a game.

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And let's think for a second.

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If tariffs are driving a ton more money coming into the US government, where's that money

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coming from?

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It's not coming from the companies just deciding to shoulder that cost themselves.

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They don't tend to do that.

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It's coming from you.

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They tend to make us do that.

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NPR cited numbers from the budget lab at Yale showing an increase on average tax for imported

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goods to the United States at 18 percent in November, up from 2.4 percent before Trump

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got back into office.

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That price is getting passed on to the consumer and the tariffs have shown no sign of encouraging

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domestic manufacturing and a turning away from imports.

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It's all just a tax.

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Also, as of the time that we're recording this, we're still waiting to hear back from

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the Supreme Court about whether Trump's terror shit is even legal.

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He might have committed a giant crime.

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The comical ability for them to do a thing for several years only then to discover it

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is illegal is absolutely absurd.

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Well, not several years.

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Sure.

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It's interesting because Roger's argument is essentially that these tariffs are bringing

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in more money.

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That's great.

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Right.

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But Trump's lawyers, their argument to the Supreme Court to make the case that this isn't

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a tax is that it's purely regulatory.

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It is not a revenue thing.

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That's just a coincidence.

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Still further, still further, that revenue from you will not be going to you.

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It will be absolutely invested in the pockets of billionaires.

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What I'm saying is essentially like Roger's position would lose the Supreme Court case

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that Trump is trying to make.

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Yeah.

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Oh, that's it.

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You know, it is kind of interesting now that we have almost pathological reverse trickle

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down economics.

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So the imports taxed heavily, we pay for that, right?

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That goes to the government.

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The government gives that money to billionaires.

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Billionaires then charge higher prices.

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So they get double money coming and going, man.

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Yeah.

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I mean, look, it's not good.

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It's probably bad.

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This is probably not a sustainable system.

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But you know what it is?

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Populist.

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That does sound true.

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Yeah.

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Roger is a little too positive.

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That will happen.

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Alex has to recognize the box he's in.

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He can't pretend like Trump isn't doing a cover up.

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But Roger can.

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Ah, I love it.

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And Alex kind of gets a little bit fed up with him.

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Because yeah.

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And is, I really think, listen, listen carefully to this.

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I would urge Cash to focus on the mission at hand and drop these lawsuits if he asked

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for my advice.

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Look, I think he's a good man.

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I like him.

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I supported him for that job.

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Just to clarify, he's talking about Kyle Serafin and Elijah Shafer getting sued by Cash Patel's

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girlfriend for the Israeli honey trap, Mossad operation stuff.

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I don't quite understand what's happening here.

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But there's a larger mission here.

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And I don't think the president is getting enough credit for taking on the globalists.

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I don't think he's getting enough credit for shutting down the border.

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I don't think he's getting enough credit for the efforts in places like Chicago and Washington,

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D.C.

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Let me just stop you.

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I know you do dozens of interviews a day.

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You're a workhorse.

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Trump wouldn't be in power without you.

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Our audience knows the great things he's done.

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This is a major, this is really on average very informed people.

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I'm asking you, big picture, what Trump can do PR wise to not let the leftist media focus

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on schisms and then make those distractions the bigger issues.

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I'm asking you strategy.

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If you were talking to Trump about better ways to energize his base.

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Understood correctly, Alex is trying to very subtly tell Roger to cut the shit.

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Roger's acting like Alex's listeners are all marks, and it's a little too obvious.

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Alex is trying to be as softball as possible while acknowledging that the Epstein situation

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is actually happening.

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And Roger can't stop trying to pivot over to praising Trump for other stuff he's done.

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Like he deserves credit for taking on the globalists.

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These tariffs are working.

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Have you not seen the tulips this year?

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Even by Infowars standards, this is tone deaf.

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Yeah, this is bad.

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The way Roger's coming in.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Now, here, Trump does have a PR problem, but he has more problems than just that.

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It's not that the globalists or the left is whipping up division where it doesn't exist.

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What's happening is that the Trump coalition is broken because they fundamentally disagree

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with each other.

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One side is cool with covering up child sex trafficking rings if it means they can hold

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onto power.

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The other side is against that.

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One side believes that all immigration is evil and all immigrants should be forcefully

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deported because only white people should be here.

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While the other side understands that our economy and country doesn't function without

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immigration.

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One side believes that the category of white can include Jewish people and the other does

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not.

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These are not fake conflicts being stirred up to destabilize Trump's base.

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They're differences that have always been there, but they haven't been a crisis.

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Their media space elevated too many racists, Nazis, and people who actually won't accept

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sex trafficking ring cover-ups.

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And now the hardliners in these spaces have the kind of audiences that make them relevant

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and they pose a threat to Trump's coalition.

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Trump has a PR problem in that these fights happening between his fans are nasty stuff

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and they reveal that a lot of them are horrible people, but his actual problem is getting

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some of these people to compromise on things like racism or sex trafficking cover-ups.

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You're not gonna get these people to compromise.

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Marjorie Taylor Greene retired from Congress rather than associate further with Trump,

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who had called her a traitor for signing on to the Epstein Transparency Act.

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In her resignation post, she said that one of the reasons she was doing it was because

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Trump was gonna attack her in the midterms and she wanted to spare people from the ugliness

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of that.

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Nick Fuentes isn't coming back onto the Trump team and he tweeted, quote, Marjorie Greene

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was forced out of Congress by Donald Trump for criticizing Israel and voting to release

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the Epstein files.

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In other words, Trump destroyed his biggest loyalist for putting America first.

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This is why I didn't vote.

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MAGA is dead.

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For better and for worse, the extreme right wing has created a certain number of figures

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that know that their brand relies on them not compromising and that isn't going away.

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There are a lot of, there's a lot of power and money to be had in whoever can carve up

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the biggest piece of Trump's political corpse and now that his numbers are dropping enough

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that even Alex is scared, all of these faction is in the base.

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They all hated each other all along.

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They're fine with trying to fight with each other to secure a bigger chunk.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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That's what's all happening.

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If the, listen, everybody is now lived through a lot of compromises, pretty sick of compromises.

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They suck.

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So now everybody's really into people who don't compromise and whoever has the most

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people who don't compromise is the winner.

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Especially among Alex's audience who have been whipped up into a frenzy about the idea

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that there's child sacrifice and blood drinking going on in basements around the world and

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that migrants are an invasion force that the left is using to try and overthrow the country.

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That's the kind of thing that these people have internalized.

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Alex's position is now being like, let's negotiate a little bit on some of this stuff.

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Don't be so hardline on these devil issues.

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Right, right.

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And Roger being like, hey, it takes time.

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You guys are the guys who said on day one, he'll go fuck everybody up.

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I wish I had cut this clip out, but I didn't.

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But Alex and Roger explicitly say, yeah, he said that day one stuff, but we all knew that

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was campaign stuff.

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Great.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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We all knew he was a liar.

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We all know he was lying from day one, from when he's a liar.

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So what I see here is essentially you have a number of these groups that are all turning

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on each other and it's not because of media spin.

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It's because they hate each other and they always have.

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And they've put that aside in order to amass power on the right wing.

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Because they all correctly assess each other as sucking.

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They all suck.

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They're all knowing they suck.

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They're all using each other and they know the other people are using them too.

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And they've made an uneasy alliance that is no longer tenable.

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And Alex is like, I guess decided that his best bet is just palling around with Roger

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and pretending it's not a problem.

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The ship isn't sinking.

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Everything is fine.

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Nothing to see here.

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Nothing to see here.

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And it's not going to work.

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Like I said, I don't even know who could possibly be an excited Alex listener anymore.

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I don't know.

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Unless you're like chemically dependent on Shilajit.

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I mean, I wonder how much of it truly could be at the level of chemical dependence now

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for people who are continuing to pay attention to Alex.

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There's an emotional dopamine rush that he probably gives people.

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But that's attainable by a lot of other people now.

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You would think.

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I'm sure.

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You would think.

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I don't know.

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I don't know what it is.

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He is a unique cat.

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Right.

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But I mean, all the good unique stuff is in the past.

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I mean, yeah, we're essentially in every far right figure is existing now in the same place

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where they're like, I thought we were cool in the past.

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And now that I'm reaping, this sucks.

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Yeah.

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And there's a piece of it almost that I can't quite fully articulate, but there's a feeling

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that I have where in the beginning times of Alex's career, the sellout shitheads were

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people like Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh.

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Sure.

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And that was the whole ecosystem.

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The monoculture.

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Yeah.

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They were like, hey, look, we're all conservatives and stuff, but Bush is cool.

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Yeah.

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Fuck it.

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Support the war.

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Yeah.

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They went along and made excuses because of their proximity to power.

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Right.

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And Alex's whole brand was that he was not that.

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He was the alternative to that.

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And so all of that uniqueness, everything that was fun about him and everything that

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could draw people to him was based on him being the alternative to that.

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And now as he's gotten to this stage in his career, he's the limbaugh.

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He's the sellout shithead who's trying to get you to make compromises with sex trafficking

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coverups.

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He's like Green Day.

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Yeah.

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And all of these other people are the Alex's.

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Yep.

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The young eat the old.

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Yeah.

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But the old also just eat themselves.

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Yeah.

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They suck.

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Now we're talking about eating.

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Yes.

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Eating ain't cheating.

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Clinton said that.

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I think.

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I really feel like he did not say that.

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It's a catch phrase from the Clinton times.

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I bet he didn't say it.

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I would be hard pressed to find a clip of that, but I wouldn't be against it.

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I really hope it's not like an Andrew Dice Clay joke or something.

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It does rhyme.

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That's a problem.

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So eaten.

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That's what you do with beef.

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That's true.

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Now this is the last clip of this episode.

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Because there's nowhere to go after this.

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It's over.

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It's done.

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The episode's done.

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You have to walk away.

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It is the last clip?

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Yeah.

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And it is also a Mike Down clip.

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Alex and Roger have been a little bit snippy.

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Because Roger's being too positive and Alex has passive aggressively told him to cut the

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shit.

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And Roger understands that.

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He gets what Alex is saying.

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Let's talk price tags.

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And so the two of them are having a little bit of a broiling under the surface.

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We're not having a great time with each other.

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Right, right, right.

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Subtext is important.

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So Alex is talking about his expertise in beef.

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Uh oh.

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And the beef industry.

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Oh no.

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And how much they love steaks.

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So you're saying they're about to have beef?

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Uh, no.

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Oh.

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No.

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This is a gross clip.

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But it's very funny.

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Also true that because of this screw worm epidemic in southern and central Mexico, Mexico

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which used to supply quite a bit of our high quality beef is kind of off limits.

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Now there is still quality beef being produced in northern Mexico and if there is a way to

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test that and prove its purity it could be brought back into our markets.

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But Alex think if you or I went out and we couldn't get a big juicy steak, I mean good

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God I can't think of anything worse.

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I mean there's only one thing better than a good piece of ass and that's probably a

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ribeye.

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I'm sorry to be bad folks.

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It's just, I mean like I literally sit there like what's better, pussy or steak?

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It's a hard choice Roger.

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Which one do you like the best?

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Uh Alex you know what this is a hard week in Washington DC.

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I gotta say this.

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You don't pay me to say it.

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You didn't urge me to say it.

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You didn't tell me to say it.

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This methylene blue stuff is for you.

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That is passive aggressive.

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That's the best.

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What do you like better beef or pussy?

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Oh my God.

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Both of them are being passive aggressive to each other.

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Alex asking Roger that question is poking him.

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And Roger being like I'm gonna do a way over the top and overt sales thing on your show

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in response to your beef or pussy question.

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That's passive aggressive.

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It's beef or pussy?

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Methylene blue my man.

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That's what I choose.

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That's what I choose my boob.

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My boob?

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Jesus Christ.

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Yeah.

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You got blue on the mind.

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Methylene blue.

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So look there's um I was listening to this and I heard him say what do you like better

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steak or pussy?

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And then Roger's response is it's been a tough week in Washington.

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You're not paying me to say this.

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I know.

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And I'm like what answer could that be?

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Alex isn't paying him to say beef?

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What is going on?

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And then Roger just comes in.

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I know.

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God damn.

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He's a pro.

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I was waiting for him.

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He was like it's been a hard week in DC.

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You know you're not paying me to say this.

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You never pay me to say this.

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And I'm like man this is a guy who's famous for liking pussy more than beef.

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He's gonna have a he's gonna have some nope come back with methylene blue.

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Yeah.

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Disappointing.

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No I am not disappointed at all.

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No no no of course.

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It's very very funny.

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I think it's art.

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It's very funny.

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Yeah.

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It's very very funny but I also would have appreciated some horrible Roger Stone story

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that you know is true.

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You know?

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Oh yeah.

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Something like oh I wish I didn't know the details of that.

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But tell me a little bit more.

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Yeah there's um there I bet if he didn't have to pretend he loves Jesus.

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Now maybe he could tell you a fun story.

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Maybe even brighter.

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But like god damn.

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Like this I know that it's not like them yelling at each other.

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But you do get a sense that they are on each other's last fucking nerves.

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Alex has a fucking job to do and he is out of balance.

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With what he's supposed to be doing and Roger does not give a fuck.

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Alright so we're on a network.

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The Alex Jones show.

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Info Wars.

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It's a news show.

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Does hard news.

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Tells the truth.

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Also it asks the big questions like B for pussy.

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That's what's important.

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It's what's on the people's minds Dan.

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We're doing man on the street interviews and now that the cuck destroyer is gone we have

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lost the answer.

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We no longer know if it's B for pussy.

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I like my pussy medium well.

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I don't know what that means.

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I have no idea.

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Oh yeah but I think you can understand how like it's over.

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The episode's done.

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Alex said something like that.

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That's the end.

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Yep.

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Yep we're all going home.

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No.

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I had another clip I even cut of them being a little bit snarky with each other but it

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does not matter.

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Methylene blue.

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To the answer B for pussy.

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Methylene blue.

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Mwah.

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Brilliant.

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Perfect.

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It's so ironic too like there's a beauty in Roger's awareness that like the meanest

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thing he could do is an ad right now.

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Yeah yeah yeah.

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Like it's.

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He gets it.

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He's an asshole.

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B for pussy.

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Your subtext.

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You're fucking ruining my whole thing by being a graceless shill.

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Nobody pays me to do this but I love methylene blue.

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Subtext.

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I'm a shill?

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Fuck you a shill.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I think it indicates that like maybe having Roger on is gonna be a little bit more dangerous

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territory for Alex than he wants.

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Gonna be harder to do yeah.

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So he has these people who are like Max Blumenthal who are part of what he imagines his coalition

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to be.

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Yeah.

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And they don't like Trump and Alex is gonna have to wake up to that.

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Yep.

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As Roger and I don't think that's home either.

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No not anymore.

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Nah.

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Not anymore cause Trump's not home anymore.

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Nope.

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Nope nope nope.

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He's a man without a country.

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Mm hmm.

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Ironically.

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Oh well.

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Eh fuck em.

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Patriot.

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Yep.

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Anyway uh maybe Texas can become a country again.

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So we'll be back with another episode about Alex's continuing deconstruction of what it

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means to be alive.

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Yes.

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For all of us.

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But until then we have a website.

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Indeed we do.

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It's KnowledgeFight.com.

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Yep we'll be back.

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But until then I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm DZX Clark and I'm the mysterious professor.

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Woo yeah woo yeah woo.

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And now here comes the sex robot.

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Andy in Kansas you're on the air thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex I'm a first time caller I'm a huge fan I love your work.

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I love you.