Transcript/1094: November 12, 2025

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Dan and George knowledge fight.

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Hello Alex.

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Hey everybody.

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Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

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I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes.

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Like to sit around worship at the altar of Slean and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh indeed we are Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan.

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Jordan.

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Quick question for you.

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So.

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What's your bright spot today buddy?

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My bright spot today is a dilemma.

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A dilemma.

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A pickle.

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Okay.

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A paradox.

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All right.

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Um I can't come up with more.

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Okay.

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Jelly bellies baby.

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Yeah.

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Uh I'm a big fan of jelly beans.

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Pickle flavored jelly beans?

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No.

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Oh okay.

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I realized as soon as I said I'm in a pickle and it was a flavor thing.

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That's gonna be a struggle.

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I realized that was how it was gonna come off.

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Yep.

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Um no.

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They have some holiday versions.

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Okay.

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And I bought a pack of eggnog uh jelly bellies.

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All eggnog?

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Yeah.

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Or different flavors of eggnog?

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All just eggnog.

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All just one eggnog.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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What giant.

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There was one like seasonal mixer like a mixed up bag.

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Okay.

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But I did I looked at the flavors and I didn't trust a few of them.

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No good.

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Okay.

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I was too scared.

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Um.

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Some of them were a little bit too autumnal.

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Okay.

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I'm not interested in a pumpkin spice.

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Nope.

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Kind of thing.

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Nope.

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Just all spice man.

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So I I I got these these eggnogs and they're really good and I really like them.

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And it's making me conflicted because I don't think that I like eggnog.

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Hmm.

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But I think I might.

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Okay.

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So then the question is is eggnog too thick?

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Right right.

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Is it a textural difference?

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Because it's not a flavor based difference.

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Clearly you enjoy the flavor of eggnog.

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I think I do.

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Is it that you heard uh Deva tell's joke about it being Elf-cum 25 years ago?

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No I definitely heard that joke and that doesn't bother me.

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Doesn't bother you at all?

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No.

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Okay.

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Pour it on your back it okay.

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I wonder if it's an issue where I haven't had it in a long time.

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Yeah.

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And everybody has just told me that it's bad.

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That's a good I can't remember the last time I had eggnog.

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Yeah.

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I don't think I've had it in 30 years.

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I think this season I'm gonna fuck around and uh try out uh try out eggnog again.

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See if it is a textural issue or if and there's got to be a workaround.

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Like I could put milk in it or something.

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Sure sure.

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I mean I am always pro getting drunk in the mornings.

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Let's just be right up front about that.

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Eggnog doesn't always have booze in it.

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It feels like it's supposed to though.

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No no you you're you're just your family is a bunch of drunks and they put brandy in it.

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No no.

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Eggnog eggnog's uh a sober dish.

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Okay.

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A dish.

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Anyway these jelly bellies are fine.

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What's your bright spot?

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Good.

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My bright spot is uh my wife uh she was uh helping her mom today uh and so she had to

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go down there and I was alone sitting with my dogs and I was just feeling like how lucky

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and grateful I am to have them both in my life.

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That was what I was feeling.

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You have three dogs.

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Uh I was talking about my wife and her mom.

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Oh.

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Yeah.

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The both confused me.

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No no I get you I get you.

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No I was very happy I'm always happy to have them but I was feeling it and I know and like

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I was thinking about it and I know they both listen so they're going to hear this and they're

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going to be very touched and so that is my bright spot is that eventually they will have a bright

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spot.

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Oh that's nice.

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Yes that's the way I was feeling.

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This has become like I don't know it's not 30 percent of your bright spots but it's it's a

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higher number than you think.

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That's just just just be communicating to your wife.

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Oh just but I don't think that's bad.

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Sure.

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I don't think that's wrong I think that's uh that you know it's a nice sign.

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I'm just having genuine feelings man.

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I'm out here just trying to feel and live a life uh and then you know the problem is right uh

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marriage lasts a long time can't set the bar too high too soon.

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Mmm.

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You know.

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Sure.

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Right like this if my batting average is this high imagine it going down that's that's way bad.

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You know.

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Well I guess look I'm not I'm not coming down on you I'm not saying it's bad.

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I'm hearing it.

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I've just got to make a show you know what I mean.

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I hear you I hear you.

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You're just be like I love my wife.

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Tone it down on the wife talk asshole.

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No no no no no no I get it.

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Keep it going I think it's a great thing but just expect me to comment.

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Fair enough fair enough I'll accept it I'll accept it.

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And I applaud and approve and I'm thrilled for your bright spot.

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Get out of here.

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So uh I guess if you have to escalate.

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Yeah.

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What are you gonna do?

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If I have to escalate from here.

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Every time is gonna be a shout out.

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It can't be it can't be frequency it's gotta be it's gotta be some other thing.

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You're gonna have to write a song.

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I mean yeah it's going to have to be at that level.

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Yeah.

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Of like I'm the performance is going to have to increase because the frequency can't.

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Yeah.

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Otherwise that'll be boring.

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So those yeah these are the demands that keep me from marriage.

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Yeah it's tough.

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Keep me single.

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It's tough.

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What are you gonna do?

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What are you gonna do?

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I don't know where are we at five years from now?

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I I look forward to seeing whatever your creativity brings about.

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So uh today Jordan we have an episode to do that sucks.

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Oh great.

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It always sucks.

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It does always suck.

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Yeah it's always bad.

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Sucks to hear Alex it sucks so that he isn't being smote.

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Sure sure there is an existence problem.

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Yeah yeah we're gonna talk about November 12th 2025 on his show.

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But first let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

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That's a great idea.

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So first shout out to the avocado from your old friend Smilner.

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Thank you so much you're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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If we all wish hard enough maybe we can liar liar Alex.

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Thank you so much you're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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It's it's worth it.

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It's possible.

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Yeah.

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Dreams and wishes do come true.

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And we got a technocrat in the mix Jordan.

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So thank you so much to hey sorry I'm high but I think it would be funny if you made

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Dan say Don DeGrande pre I'll see you in Valhalla brother.

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Thank you so much you're now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark.

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

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He's a loser little little titty baby.

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I don't want to hate black people.

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I renounce Jesus Christ.

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Rest easy Don DeGrande pre.

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Yeah.

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Your watch is over.

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We will man the wall.

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See you in Valhalla.

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Oh Don DeGrande pre.

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Yeah.

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How you doing?

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He's not good.

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Not good?

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No he's dead.

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So Jordan today someone who's not dead Alex.

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Someone else who's not dead Trump.

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Okay.

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Someone who is dead Jeffrey Epstein.

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The trifecta of shit.

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Yeah okay.

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So Trump world has been rocked in the past week with the release of a new tranche of Epstein

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emails.

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Sure.

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Some of which specifically mention Trump in ways that are tough to spin.

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Oh yeah?

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Yeah.

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A lot of this has been fairly overstated by people claiming that Trump is the most frequently

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mentioned name in this batch of emails.

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Sure.

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And that he comes up 600 or 1628 times.

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Okay.

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That is a true number but the context is misleading.

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There aren't 1628 instances of Jeffrey Epstein emailing with someone and talking about Trump.

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That number includes a ton of times that Trump's name comes up in the body of a news article

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that someone forwarded to Epstein or vice versa.

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All right all right.

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Similar context to that.

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Sure sure sure.

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Anybody who's looked at discovery material knows that there's going to be a lot of shit

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in there.

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It's incidental data that doesn't help anybody with anything.

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Yeah so that number I've seen it thrown around and I think people are making too much out

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of that.

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It's a misleading number by itself.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's a headline problem.

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Right.

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So that said the emails that were released that involved Trump are weird.

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Yeah.

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And I think they make everyone look bad.

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That sounds right.

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So there were three main emails that were getting press coverage at the time that Alex

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is on air on this episode.

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Okay.

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Two of them were between Epstein and author Michael Wolff and the other was between Epstein

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and Ghislaine Maxwell.

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Okay.

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The Maxwell one is the oldest from April 2nd 2011.

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Epstein wrote to her quote I want you to realize that the dog that hasn't barked is Trump.

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Redacted victim name spent hours at my house with him.

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He has never been mentioned once.

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Police chief etc.

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I'm 75 percent there.

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Maxwell replied quote I've been thinking about that.

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Great.

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Good stuff.

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This one is the most confusing because it comes down to trying to interpret the expression

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the dog that hasn't barked.

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There are limited context clues also in this just this tiny exchange as to how Epstein

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White might have meant it.

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Sure.

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That expression is from detective stories where the fact that a dog didn't bark indicated

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that it knew the burglar or murderer who was breaking into someone's house.

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In the context of Epstein's email you could look at this a number of different ways.

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One is that Epstein's suspicious of Trump being a snitch.

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Epstein knows that Trump has committed crimes in his house and yet no police chatter ever

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comes up about him.

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So in effect the police aren't barking because they know Trump.

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Right.

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The second is a slight variation on that where Trump is protected by the police but not because

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he's an informant.

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This would basically follow the same idea but the lack of barking isn't because the

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police are working with Trump but because Trump is as Alex might put it mobbed up and

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a front man for consortiums on the east coast.

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Sure.

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A third option is that Epstein's using the expression differently and is commenting on

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how no one snitched on Trump which is apparently uncommon among his associates.

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This could indicate that he's saying that like Trump is particularly scary to the victims.

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Sure.

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Or it's very difficult to tell what this means.

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Yeah.

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But it's very interesting but it's also the least useful without context.

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Right.

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If you add more surrounding details to this conversation it could mean a bunch of different

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things and I'm reluctant to jump to any strong conclusions about it yet.

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Sure.

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But it's you know it's in that same territory as you know Trump's like birthday card where

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he's like a friend is a wonderful riddle.

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Yeah.

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It's like what the fuck do you mean by that?

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I mean I will say this of all the like extremely wealthy people I have ever met in my life

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none of them have been able to use idioms appropriately so it is entirely possible that

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this means something completely different from the actual meaning of the phrase.

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Yeah.

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It's weird.

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It is weird.

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Yeah.

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It's weird.

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So the other two emails are a bit more direct.

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These are two exchanges between Epstein and Michael Wolff from 2015 and 2019.

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The 2019 one is just Epstein saying quote Trump said he asked me to resign never a member

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ever of course he knew about the girls as he asked Ghislaine to stop.

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Sure.

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This is Epstein refuting Trump's telling of how he kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago as

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soon as he learned that he was preying on children there.

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Of course he knew about the girls is a tough line to wiggle around.

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Wow.

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The email from 2015 involves Epstein and Wolff discussing how Trump should respond to a

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hypothetical question from the media about his relationship with Epstein.

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Jeffrey asks Wolff quote if we were able to craft an answer for him what do you think it should be?

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Wolff replies quote I think you should let him hang himself if he says he hasn't been on the

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plane or to the house that gives you a valuable PR and political currency you can hang him in

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a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you or if it looks like he could

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win you could save him generating a debt.

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Of course it's possible that when asked he'll say Jeffrey is a great guy and has gotten a raw deal

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and is a victim of political correctness which is to be outlawed in a Trump regime.

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It's worth noting that these are Michael Wolff's words but he and Epstein appear to be pretty close

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and it's well understood that Trump is involved with Epstein in a way that would make hanging

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Trump very easy.

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Right.

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It's common knowledge to them that Trump had been on Epstein's plane and been to his house

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so if Trump were to lie about that he would be potentially compromised.

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These emails obviously don't tell an entire story but they're bad.

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Yeah.

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Maybe it's not the kind of evidence you'd want to rely on to throw someone in jail

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but these are these are glimpses that paint a pretty clear picture that Trump's not someone

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who should be trusted in a position of power.

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Sure.

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Epstein calling him the dog that didn't bark and war gaming with Michael Wolff about how

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best to exploit their association they're not definite proof of crimes

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but they're damning in terms of Trump's character.

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Yeah.

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This is a piece of shit guy.

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Yeah.

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Is Michael Wolff dead?

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I don't know.

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No I don't think so because he commented on the release of the emails.

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Oh right.

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I think he's still alive.

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Was his comment like sorry I'm a ghoulish monster who worked with a

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fucking preeminent pedophile billionaire of our time?

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I don't think there's as much soul searching as you'd like.

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You don't think so?

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No I think there's more of like a I've been trying to get this story out for a long time.

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Right.

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Kind of vibe from him.

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Right.

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Which your mileage may vary in terms of how much you want to trust that.

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Wow.

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So so totally cool of you to be just emailing with Jeffrey Epstein about shit like this.

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I mean it's it's a cynical look.

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I mean yeah that's dark.

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That is dark.

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Hey man I need the story is not gonna cut it for me on this one sorry.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think the stakes of it are so comical that I have the familiar tone.

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Oh totally.

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Of this kind of like yeah.

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Absolutely.

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Fuck Trump up if he lies about you.

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I mean listen if if I'm emailing the devil I'm already way past it.

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You know like why not have a nice collegial tone.

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And this is in 2015.

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Right.

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So it's not like you know.

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Nobody had any idea.

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Nobody had any idea that he was a bad guy at the time right?

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It would be crazy to know that.

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Yeah.

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They're even talking about it the fuck off.

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Oh man.

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I just think that like okay so these emails are not the only ones that will eventually come out.

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Yeah.

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But they are bad.

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Yeah.

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And like I get it I get that like we're we can't try someone in a court of law in the

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court of public opinion.

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Sure.

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I get that.

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Sure.

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Great.

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Hey I don't want to be a part of cancel culture.

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We're not talking about just a person.

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Sure.

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We're talking about a president.

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Yeah.

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We're talking about the leader of the fucking country.

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That is true.

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Him being discussed like this by these creeps.

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Yep.

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That's bad.

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That's enough.

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Yeah.

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He's gone.

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He should be gone.

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Yeah you know it is it is a problem from a substance standpoint right?

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If you can get the exact same guy who believes the exact same stuff from just about anywhere

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off the street but that person isn't a pedophile billionaire who worked with Jeffrey Epstein

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to cover up all those crimes.

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You could do that right?

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Yeah it's hmm should be disqualifying.

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It should be.

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Yeah.

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Just like from a from just like an automatic standpoint like we don't even have a say you

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know that should be part of it is that there should be an automatic mechanism much like

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some sort of a machine guillotine of some sort right that will just take care of the

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problem for us immediately.

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Now and let me be clear about something.

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Yeah.

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I believe that the situation is way worse than what I'm saying.

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Yeah.

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I'm going based on these three emails that were released and trying to be as fair as

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I can.

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Right right right right.

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There.

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Right.

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I do think it's worse than this but even if you are as generous as possible.

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Yeah.

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This is bad.

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It sucks.

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Get rid of them.

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Yep.

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Anyway Alex comes on air and let's see how he's doing.

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He's probably he's the guy who broke the Epstein story.

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He's gonna do great with this.

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Well exactly what I predicted in the last few years and intensely the last year.

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Since Trump was president-elect it's been a year now.

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Exactly as I predicted the Democrats with some Republicans have begun to release select

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cherry-picked stuff out of what they call the Epstein files and I know all of it up

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one side and down the other predicted all of it so did Roger Stone.

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It's exactly what we thought.

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Now they're set in a few days.

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All of them in Congress they're a little behind blacking out you know names and things

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which they better do of victims but they released their best shot last night and it's all over

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the news and it is beyond nothing burger.

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That said I am not in the business of being an apologist for Donald Trump or covering

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up anything.

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I simply call balls and strikes.

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Just balls and strikes.

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I believe the last time we heard or the last time I recall him giving a grade to the president

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of the United States it was 120 percent.

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No I think it might have been like 98 because he was being conservative.

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No you're right you're right he was because he was calling he was just saying he calls

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balls and strikes.

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Yeah.

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So he's only 98 percent happy with them.

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Gotcha all right.

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And then I think maybe he's a little bit more negative when Nick Fuentes is around because

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he doesn't want to upset the little boy.

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Right well.

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So I would say nothing too surprising here from Alex.

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That response he decides to go with is like it's a non-story.

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It's a fun contrast to see his response to these emails be it's a big nothing burger

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compared to how he salaciously covered the Pizzagate emails.

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He was digging up food-based codes and making up all kinds of stuff in order to make those

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more damning to his enemies but now it's all just nothing to see here.

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Yeah.

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If you're Alex you have to know that more stuff's coming and that this isn't the last

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very shady thing you're gonna have to pretend is a nothing burger.

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So it makes no sense to like why you're not shifting your support over to another white

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identity friendly candidate.

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Yeah.

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When you're the guy who made his career by breaking into Bohemian Grove it's really

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embarrassing to treat the president this softly around associations with a sex trafficker.

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Yeah.

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Like this is fucking stupid.

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It's a pedophile billionaire cabal.

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I don't know how else to describe the current government than a pedophile billionaire cabal.

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But that's fine I guess.

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It's not that is where all power lies.

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Right.

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But it's more than it should be.

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Way more than any should be no problem.

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We should be like no there's none.

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Some even if it's a small amount should be a huge problem.

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Yeah.

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The amount we have currently is beyond.

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It would be almost hilarious if in hindsight we find out that Trump and all of his cabinet

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like put on robes.

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Absolutely.

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Like chanting weird rituals.

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100 percent.

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Alex has just been oblivious.

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It'd be perfect.

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It would be perfect.

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So he calls balls and strikes.

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Sure.

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And sometimes you know like you gotta call call it like you see it.

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Their response does not look good over in the Trump administration.

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The way the Trump administration has handled the Epstein case has been a unmitigated disaster.

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Seems grave.

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You wanted to create the biggest trisin effect and look guilty.

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You couldn't do a better job.

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That said I know this thing up one side and down the other.

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I'm going to beat all the experts.

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I've got every damn angle of this thing.

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You have all the victims saying he never touched him.

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He's the guy that blew the whistle on Epstein on record.

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And I have all the videos all the clips the police all the admissions the lawyers the

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women I could I could do four hours with just the women.

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99 percent of them saying they never saw Trump.

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Two of them saw Trump at Marlago.

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Trump got in his face kicked him out of the club because he was recruiting the 15 year

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old girls out of there.

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And then oh in the upcoming emails it's going to be him in Florida on two occasions visiting

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houses it's already on record they were fighting over houses they were buying that's what Trump

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does and that's when Epstein got pissed because Trump snuck behind him and you know snatched

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up a house.

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Oh okay.

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So Roger is likely told Alex that Trump was over at Epstein's house a lot and there's

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evidence about that that's going to come out so Alex needs to get ahead of that.

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Yeah that would be wise.

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This is a very specific thing Alex predicts is going to be the next attack as if he knows

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what Trump's associates are worried are his weak points.

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Or maybe this is about the already released email where Epstein tells Maxwell that Trump

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spent hours at one of the houses with one of the victims.

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It's hard to tell if this is preemptive damage control or just after the fact spinning.

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Yeah.

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Not sure.

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I mean if you okay I'll say this if I have no knowledge of what might be in these emails

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and I just instinctively go well he's probably not doing this I'm probably lying right and

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that's probably good enough already you're it might look like I already knew in advance

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what was coming because I just assumed the worst possible thing was in those emails.

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Right.

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Right.

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What is the way that we can explain someone looking guilty as shit.

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Right.

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But they're not.

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Right.

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I'll come up with that in advance and we're good.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So Trump was never in on the cover up right.

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I I okay here's where I struggle with this.

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I struggle with this whole thing right because I feel like we should have already handled this.

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We have already reached the point where Trump covered up the Epstein thing.

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They've said that that's okay.

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We'll lick your boots daddy.

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Now why are we even bothering you know what I'm saying.

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No I totally I mean look I don't know what it means to take care of something.

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Sure.

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But like in terms of Alex's position on this it seems like a done deal.

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Yeah.

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Like it doesn't seem like there's any reason to litigate this any further.

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Why even bother.

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Yeah.

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They've already made peace with the fact that like we're gonna be complicit in something.

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Yeah we're fucking Michael Wolffing this who gives a shit.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And and I think even in this clip that's what you hear.

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Like Alex is saying like Trump wasn't in on the cover-up.

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Yeah.

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But now he is and that's fine.

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I guess.

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Guess we are well.

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And the fact that they released this and I'm already telling you what the other stuff's

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gonna be which they haven't even gotten to yet I just know shows there's nothing there.

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But then my dear Watson I asked the question why in Hades.

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Why in hell and tarnation has there been a big cover-up.

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Well we know why.

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Because it's a bunch of big CEOs and a bunch of big heads of banks.

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They're mainly Democrats.

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But Ratcliffe has come to Trump and I was told this when he was president-elect

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for Roger and other people that you're not gonna get it because the CIA says it's a national

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security threat because they were working with the Mossad and what we already know all that.

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So Trump is not involved screwing the girls.

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And he was not involved in any cover-up ever and was really the first to expose Epstein.

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That's why I ended up getting that jail sentence in Florida.

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And we knew this when I was vetting Trump 10 years ago before I endorsed him 10 and a half years ago.

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God it's been that long.

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I went to the books on the subject the experts on it read what Trump's enemies had said rather

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than their times it said and there was never anything there.

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So I'm like okay he's good.

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But that's how much due diligence I do not just on that other subjects before I endorse Trump

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member early.

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And I knew how he was pro-America and his past and his dad and

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that he sat at the knee of the architect of the McCarthy stuff so I knew he knew a lot.

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And I endorsed him.

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That was your positive?

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And we're gonna go over it all today and so much more we have special guests lined up.

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So Alex didn't vet Trump.

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He was just disappointed by Rand Paul's weakness in the 2016 primaries and Roger came along

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and got Alex to flip.

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Any research that he did on Trump was just asking Roger questions and accepting whatever

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lies Roger fed him.

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Also you can't get points for never having been part of an elaborate cover-up if you

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eventually become part of the cover-up.

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Yeah.

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If it's true that Trump wasn't part of covering up Epstein's shit for the past however many

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decades they've been friends but now that he's president the deep state has convinced

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him that he needs to cover it all up then the past doesn't matter.

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According to Alex's telling of the story the CIA has convinced Trump that it's in his best

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interest to be part of the cover-up.

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That's the best narrative that a huge Trump propagandist can come up with for this which

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seems bad.

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Yeah the deep state has captured the president and I support that.

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Yeah because it's understandable why he would go along with it.

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I mean if I was the president and the CIA told me some shit I would obviously cover

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it up too because they'll probably kill me.

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Yes!

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Yeah!

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This is a pathetic position for someone like Alex to have.

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Like it doesn't matter if you're like you've been convinced it's smart and in your best

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interest to be part of a sex trafficking cover-up.

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Nope.

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You are now part of a sex trafficking cover-up.

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The beauty of and see this is the thing this is the beauty of being a person with a pure

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ideology is that you get to do it especially when it's dumb.

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You get to be an idiot right?

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If the CIA is like hey you'd be stupid not to do this we'll kill you.

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You get to be the guy who gets killed because that's what you do.

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You don't go well it would be smart this time because then you're the guy who goes well

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it would be smart this time.

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Bullshit.

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Can you imagine any politician that Alex didn't like getting the courtesy of well the deep

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state convinced them that there would be too many problems if they didn't go along

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with this conspiracy.

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That's his fucking angle?

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How can you be convinced if you're wrong or if you're right do you know what I mean?

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If you believe that Donald Trump is right to do the thing but he has been convinced

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to do the wrong thing then now he is wrong.

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Well maybe from your position.

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But that's your position!

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Maybe it was in the past.

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That's fair.

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Maybe I pretended it was.

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I do like the retro act of like oh but he held out so long before he covered it up so

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he's still a pretty good dude.

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Oh yeah that's the standard.

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Yeah.

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Cool.

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Yeah he held out.

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So Alex makes up a bunch of stuff here about the the emails because he is just calling

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balls and strikes.

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Just doing it.

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Jeffrey Epstein alleged emails that Trump knew of his conduct.

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Epstein emails claim Trump knew about the girl, spent hours with the victim.

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And we've got the emails and we're gonna go over all of it.

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And it just so happens that this is not easily disproven what they're trying to imply.

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It's absolutely pathetically easy.

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Hmm.

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Because we know every angle of this from the victims, from their lawyers, from everything.

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And then when you see what they imply, spent hours with the victims knew.

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Ooh and called the police and kicked him out of the club.

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Because the two victims worked at Marlago.

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And he got pissed because he was, Epstein was poaching him.

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And when you actually read all the quotes.

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Are you telling me a positive story?

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Wolf trying to write the hit piece.

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No.

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He's one drop the dime on me now.

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Yeah he knew about it and he was upset and his wife was upset.

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Oh we learned Melania was pissed.

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I mean imagine you live somewhere with your wife and a bunch of other people at a resort.

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It's like the love boat or something.

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I mean you see what these dudes are doing and you know mama bear's like.

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Alex is making things up about the emails in order to play defense.

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It's totally fine to say that the emails that were released by this point were not

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necessarily smoking guns but it's idiotic to pretend that this is calling balls and strikes.

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The emails that were released had nothing to do with Melania but the context of Epstein

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saying that Trump knew about the girls is from a sentence that also includes the point

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that Trump asked Ghislaine to stop sex trafficking people at Mar-a-Lago.

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The fact that Trump asked her to stop is proof that Trump knew what Ghislaine and Epstein were

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up to but it's tough to read much more into it than that.

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So like yeah sure it's him saying stop but he's also he knows what they're doing.

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It's a it's a mess.

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You know this is I think part of you know the difference between the way they treated the

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Pizzagate emails and the way they treated these gets to what made Project Hamelot so

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good at the beginning right is because I thought they were in it for the love of the game.

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There was no agenda.

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They were just here to be a dick about something you know like that's what I want from Alex and

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any transfer of emails about anything.

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Just fucking pick through make up some cool conspiracy bullshit yell about it and then

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we all move on.

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Don't give me an agenda.

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Yeah your baggage has to be to the weird not to the like the real cow-towing political shit.

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Yep absolutely.

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So the fact that Trump asked her to stop in that email is proof that he knew what they were up to

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but it doesn't necessarily seem like he has a problem with the actual crimes they were committing.

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Right.

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It seems like maybe it was more of a don't do it here kind of thing.

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Right right right.

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But even me saying that is reading more into the emails than is written there.

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It's making an assumption.

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Sure.

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Epstein didn't tell Wolf that Trump dropped a dime on him but that's one of the many interpretations

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you can come up with for the dog that didn't bark line.

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Sure.

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But that was also from the Ghislaine email not from Michael Wolf.

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Right.

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Point is Alex is shaky on the details here but his messaging that this isn't a big deal

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is very obvious.

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Yeah.

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And that is all that's important.

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That's his coverage.

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I mean I just like beyond beyond all of these people and I mean fucking all of them like

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just just between us the people who regularly do this shit.

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Why not just get rid of everybody who knew Epstein in the government.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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Like just all of it.

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We can replace them.

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There's so many of us and there's so many competent people who would be just as good at that job

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as somebody who knew Jeffrey Epstein but they didn't know Jeffrey Epstein.

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Yeah.

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It's all it.

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Look I don't know.

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I don't know how anything works but right.

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You know I agree with you that there are capable people who never met who never met Jeffrey

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Epstein and maybe we just take a punt on this one and say hey look sorry maybe it's not

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fair.

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Maybe you're great.

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Maybe you are great.

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Yeah sorry.

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You knew Jeffrey Epstein.

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We can do with we can do better.

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We can an abundance of caution requires us to just quarantine.

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Absolutely no Epstein's.

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I stayed inside for two years.

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We can skip past nobody knows Jeffrey Epstein anymore.

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I think we'll be all right.

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He's not meeting more people.

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Exactly.

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Yes exactly.

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That problem has solved itself.

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Yeah.

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So this is all like a Democratic setup and shit.

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Sure.

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Yeah why not.

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I don't really understand what the larger conspiracy here is though.

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And so never went to Zorro Ranch.

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Never went to the Caribbean.

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None of it.

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Like Bill Clinton all the rest of them.

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That said though Trump has been covering up for the bad guys.

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There's no doubt about that.

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Now obviously most of the real stuff been destroyed and disappeared by the Democrats

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and Comey and all in the control of the file and we have a big developments on that front.

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It's come out in court that Marine Comey the daughter that ran the Epstein cover up in

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the Southern District of New York.

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She came to Epstein and said we'll drop the new charges.

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Just say you saw Trump screw girls.

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But it didn't happen.

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It wasn't real.

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So that's where we are.

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That's where we are.

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I don't know what this adds to the conspiracy.

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I don't know where we are.

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So the allegation that Maureen Comey offered Epstein a deal to implicate Trump comes from

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a plea for a pardon that was filed by Epstein's former cellmate Nicholas Tartiglione.

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In other circumstances Tartiglione has been part of the conspiracy to kill Epstein because

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it was so suspicious that his cellmate was a former cop who went on to kill four people

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in a drug deal that went bad.

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How could that possibly be?

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It's too suspicious he was his cellmate.

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He must have tried to kill him.

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That does sound right.

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He's bunking with a murderer who used to be law enforcement?

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Come on.

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That's very murdery.

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Are we stupid?

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As a useful murderer that's a pretty good murderer.

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Sure so that was the conspiracy that a lot of folks, or part of the conspiracy around

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his death that people ran with.

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Anyway he's doing four life sentences for the murders and now he wants a pardon so he's

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got this story to tell and Alex is in the business of accepting whatever he says as

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gospel.

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Balls and strikes.

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Just calling it down the middle.

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See this is where I feel like we're having disagreements about where we're at.

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Because where I'm at is right if somebody like Alex goes like, ah Trump is bad but we

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should get rid of these guys first.

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I'll be like ah I'm good get rid of all of them let's just go let's just be done with

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this shit you know like we can't be I can't be here for another like oh they're covering

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something up but it's we're covering up something better that's where we're at we're at the

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lesser of two cover-ups.

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Yeah it's the lesser of two evils except like it's it it's so bad on its face.

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Yeah.

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That like what you don't need to accept either of these evils.

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Yeah what is happening?

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Yeah um yeah I think people are averse to your position because everyone understands

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that like if you give an inch uh it's not going to be dealt with universally.

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Like you're saying get rid of Trump and get rid of everybody else too.

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Sure sure sure.

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Yeah I think I think a lot of rational people would be totally fine with that.

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Sure.

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The sticking point is like Alex would say get rid of all your people first.

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Right.

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And then they would never follow through on getting rid of people on their side.

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No it's got to be it's got to be a red rover situation one one for one.

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Simultaneous.

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One for one every time boom we put them on our table like war oh we got Nancy Pelosi

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you drop another one down they're gone all right.

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Next one I trust you to get one to one every time.

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That might be the only negotiation strategy that works.

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I'm down for that you you and her sorry you're out of here goodbye.

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Well um hey look you've solved my problem that I had.

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So um yeah it just sucks that the best he can do is like yeah he's in on the cover up now.

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Yeah he has to be.

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Come on what are you stupid?

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Yeah you got to do better than this.

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So anyway Alex spends a long time complaining about Obamacare.

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Wow 2025 baby writing it in the wall.

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Yeah Jonathan Gruber said you're stupid.

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Oh boy.

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Awesome.

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Yep.

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So anyway we'll skip through a lot of that.

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Yes.

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The high point of it was him describing going to a clinic in Austin that has a pharmacy and

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seeing them uh charging a lady too much for a prescription and being like it's not us it's Obama.

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It's Obama.

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And then she cried.

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Oh no man bring back death panels let's talk about that.

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Yeah so anyway Alex is really really really successful.

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Sure.

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You make yes millions of people watching him all the time and no one believes it.

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Fighting this is not a part-time job for anybody.

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People haven't really done it in about 10 years but it used to happen all the time.

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You know I have dozens of employees reaching even 10 years ago 30 40 million people a day

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conservatively and family would come over to see me or neighbors and then and they'd say

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well well what's your main career like like what's your daytime job?

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And I'm sitting there because you know my house there's not pictures of me and newspaper clippings

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on the walls all this kind of stuff and your house is modest everything you don't make a big

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little about it I'm like oh I reach I reach you know 30 million people a day.

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They're like no you don't.

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And the reason I raised that is

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people just have a normalcy bias and they just don't believe when extraordinarily good things

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are happening extraordinarily bad things are happening especially if you don't put on airs.

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And and by that I mean I'm not a person that puts on airs patriots don't put on airs

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but we've been right you've been right so there has to be some way to signal to people like hey

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we're the good guys we're the good guys we're the good guys we're the good guys we're the good guys

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there has to be some way to signal to people like hey we're the good guys

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some sort of virtue in total enslavement now you better join us and that and that and that

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and that we're the same people I mean where's the victory lap? I think it was January 6th but also

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uh you don't put on airs man I have your watch you put on airs that whole studio is an air yeah

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yeah this is your life is putting on airs absurd now I will say I think that what these people

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are asking when they say like what's your real job right the answer is supposed to be I'm a

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supplement sales person right right right right because the show obviously wouldn't generate the

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kind of income that would get the giant house that he lives in right that is so modestly decorated

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um so yeah I think that's the question that they're really trying to get at but there's

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something so fun about like no one believes how popular I am because I'm so modest I mean yeah

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that's that's like that is borderline I'm the most humble person there's ever been of all the

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greatest traits of all I mean I am the greatest humbler I just humble myself like so much better

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than everybody else because I'm a better person right yeah and that's really great for Logan Paul's

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entrance in a WWE ring you know because you want to hate him he's supposed to be hated right

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uh for Alex I don't think he's trying to play a heel no I don't think it's just such a dick

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thing to say about anything yeah so a large portion of this like I said is a complaining

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about Obamacare sure and then another large chunk ends up him trying to start a fight with Theo Vaughn

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okay podcaster and former road ruler uh Theo Vaughn yeah yeah yeah yeah um the bottom line

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of it is basically like people are too into Israel they're too they complain too much about Israel

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okay and he's singled out Theo Vaughn Theo Vaughn complains too much about Israel yeah okay

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we should be doing a victory lap show people recognize we were the ones that were right

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show that people will listen to us on the next important thing we're telling them

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that's my issue with the Israel thing is it's the avant-garde thing it's all people talk about

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they talk about the same set of things over and over again as if it does anything to Israel

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they know nothing else about anything and then it's like this golden ticket they have where they

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go I'm better than you you don't just talk about Israel

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and I singled out Theo Vaughn who I like and he says nice things about me

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just because he's you you got to pick one example I decided to shoot this last night because

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I literally saw a clip somebody posted in one of my videos with my reports and it said

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huh why don't you you know be a real man and expose Israel like Theo Vaughn

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and I'm sitting there thinking well I mean when when you know Theo was

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five years old I was making documentaries about Israel and staging false flag attacks I

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I've covered all of this I don't have to prove myself were you

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pissed off by a tweet and so you decided to try and big dog Theo Vaughn is there a reason for that

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what did Theo Vaughn ever do I think that Rogan doesn't want Alex on right Theo Vaughn's huge so

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we're doing a squeal like a pig kind of situation with Theo Vaughn and I'm not gonna lie I'm not

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So we're doing a squeal like a pig kind of situation with Theo Vaughn we're gonna stick

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him a million percent and then Theo Vaughn is going to invite him onto the show.

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Alex made a video about why Theo Vaughn's afraid to have him on

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his show so obviously it's a please please get me on your show so desperate now that like

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it's gonna work I I I don't I hope it doesn't no I hope Theo has better instincts than that but I

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don't I don't trust it. Isn't his show like some some crazy level of huge didn't he have didn't he

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Didn't he have Obama on?

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He had Trump on.

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He had Bernie on too though.

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I think he's...

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He's just Theo Vaughn.

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He doesn't know anything.

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I have not watched enough of it to have a good instinct about where his views are.

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But he seems like maybe less really bad Rogan or something.

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That's kind of how I would, from a distance, view it.

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And I think that Alex views it that way too, and that's why he wants in.

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Right, right, right.

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And Rogan doesn't want him back.

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Right.

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I can't be on Rogan.

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Too corporate.

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Theo is dumb enough and that's all I need.

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Yeah.

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Done and done.

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Rogan has told me that I can go on Kill Tony.

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Maybe.

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Maybe.

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But that's about it.

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And I only get one minute, right?

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Yeah.

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That's no good.

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Oh.

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Eh.

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He's got a minute.

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I was thinking back to that Stan Holt set.

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I was gonna say, did we hear him do a minute?

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No, he did more than a minute.

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Oh, he definitely did a minute.

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But I think the minute worked fine, because it's all momentum.

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Right.

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Well, he did run out of momentum.

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He can yell for a minute.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, give him ten.

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No good.

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So this rant trying to bait Theo Vaughn is very long.

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Yeah.

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He complains a lot about people who are critical of Israel and how it's all just them jacking

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up.

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Sure.

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Sorry, folks.

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You're going to have to learn more than just, oh, look, that person prayed at the

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wailing wall and then just metaphysically play with yourself and talk about how you're

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good and they're bad all day long.

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And again, the Jews are in trouble.

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We finally got him.

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He's trying to get us off their trail.

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It's all you do.

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If you're going to expose badness in Israel, be informed.

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Know the facts.

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Go in.

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But move on to the next thing.

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And then you diffuse the Zionists manipulating the other Jews who all feel threatened now,

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who don't know what's going on in the general public, who are sending record money to their

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very abusers that know they're stirring up the beehive so they can have this Armageddon,

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Megiddo crisis.

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And so the Israel lobby can fully take over the U.S. because they got a plan to false

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flag synagogues and stuff and come in with massive censorship.

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See, I'm not just talking about what happened in the past, I'm talking about what's about

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to happen.

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See?

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See?

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So I apologize to a lot of people out there that have woken up the fact that they're being

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lied to, but who don't have any grasp or depth and who have low IQs.

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And I don't know how I respond to you.

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I talk to you like you're five.

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Please.

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And maybe I shouldn't waste my time on you.

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Maybe it just doesn't matter.

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But I'll tell you this.

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If we don't turn around the totalitarianism in all its flavors and forms, we are going

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to have a complete global depression.

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We are going to have total war.

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We're all completely screwed.

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And I'm literally just trying to save the ship here.

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And then I got to watch all these one trick ponies like a string you pull on those dolls

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that say like three things.

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And you pull it and it just says the same three things.

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Pull string, pull string, pull string.

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And I'm just like, this is retarded.

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This is absolutely idiotic.

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God, I'm supposed to get in the Epstein thing.

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I'm going to get to that too.

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Yeah, I'm sure you will.

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So yeah, I mean, it's all just to bait Theo.

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This is just trying to sneaky snake him.

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And like all of these criticisms and like saying that these people are just masturbating

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with a string, pull the string and it says the same thing.

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Like you hang out with Nick.

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What are you talking about?

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Why is Theo Vaughn worse than Nick?

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I can't imagine so.

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In terms of blaming Israel for everything.

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It's weird.

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But Nick gives Alex the time of day and Theo as an audience that Alex hasn't penetrated

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yet.

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There's definitely that.

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I do like the middle of a I'm good and you're bad rant to have something about how they

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only sit around and talk about how good they are and how bad you are.

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That's nice.

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Then to have then to say that it's masturbation while you're doing it.

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That's nice.

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But then I thought about it and I was like, he is getting paid professionally to do this.

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So there is a bit of a difference between somebody who's just masturbating and somebody

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who's masturbating on camera.

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Right, right, right.

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So there that's like they're they're professional masturbators.

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Yeah.

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But I also think that he.

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OK, here's here's here's where it gets tough.

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OK, where does it get tough?

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You're going to have to have a person masturbating on camera and people buying supplements.

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Yeah, because people I don't really think are there for Alex's masturbation.

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Yeah, like no one's paying for that on its own.

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That's fair.

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That's fair.

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They are.

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Yeah.

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Who is sponsoring masturbation these days?

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Black Rifle Coffee.

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Whatever beef Tucker is selling.

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I'll say that I'm not selling hydro guns on that one.

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So Alex does not get to covering the Epstein stuff naturally just yet, because there's

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other news.

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Yeah.

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Other than Obamacare.

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Right.

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Which is that Trump is fucked.

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Oh, the polls.

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His numbers are dropping.

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What a surprise.

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All right.

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I remember.

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In September of.

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2020, talking to Roger Stone on the phone.

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He's a very smart political analyst and Trump's former top political adviser.

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He said Trump's going to lose.

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He said there's enough fraud baked in.

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He's got to win by 10 points.

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He's not going to have as big a landslide as he had in 2016.

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He goes, he's going to lose.

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But don't don't you know, don't say that since that Roger on and you know, after the fact

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that was out of confidence, he has permission to tell the story.

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This time, he said, no, he's going to win.

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It's going to look like a small landslide when the popular and the electoral.

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But and then.

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But he said.

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Don't you know, don't tell people that because we still got to have maximum push.

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We have urgency.

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Now when when we came out and talked about that and I told folks, good chance Trump's

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going to lose.

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People need to take it serious.

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All the white pill.

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Q people are like, no, he's invincible.

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Hillary's been executed.

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You know, they're all at Guantanamo Bay, just total cuckoo town stuff.

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Now that's one extreme of that of the white pills.

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There's other people that just say, oh, you're criticizing Trump when you say that's not

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a good policy.

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We think this adviser is bad.

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That's a terrible idea.

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We're not you know, in North Korea here, we're not the Democrats.

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We don't just slavishly follow whatever, you know, comes out of the RNC.

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And so when I get here and tell you that I don't need to be Mark Mitchell, who is hands

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down, I talk to everybody, the numbers are clear.

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One of the if not the best pollsters in the world that raspies reports dot com.

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And he'll tell you, because I've been watching him, you know, when he does other interviews

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and when he came out with Brianna Morello a few days ago that that Trump is in deep

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shit and and people go, oh, you're you're undermining him.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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We're we're saying that because that's what the numbers show.

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And that's what we see on the street.

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So he course corrects very, very quickly because people are fickle.

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Just three months ago, Trump was riding high.

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But now, because a lot of things that are happening.

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And the horrible economy he inherited and he was trying to fix it.

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We got big problems.

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A lot of things are happening.

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Like Trump just sucks.

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Yeah.

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He he's you guys got a pile of shit.

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And it's yours.

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I mean, that's why the numbers are dropping.

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It's so it's so weird, right?

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Like the very beginning of something is Roger Stone being like, this is how it's going to

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happen.

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Don't tell people the truth.

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Lie to them so we can manipulate the outcome.

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Also, it got really stuck in my head that he's like, I remember in September, Stone

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was on the phone.

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Yes.

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He's saying a poem.

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Yep.

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The fifth day of September, Stone rang my phone.

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It's very it's very distracting.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, yeah.

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I mean, hey, look, you know, you got to misdirect.

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You got to do what you got to do.

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Yeah, it's for the best.

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I think that I think that Alex fails to realize is that he is not wagging the dog.

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He thinks that he can be like, wow, wow, I want to throw a fit.

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Trump, Trump, you're fucked in the polls.

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And that's going to get Trump to act in the way that he wants him to, as opposed to like,

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no, he's doing what he's going to do and you're going to not like that.

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Yeah, the polls are going to drop and he's not going to he doesn't really care.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It is very strange to have that be like a thing that he does is like if he's talking

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to you, it's to make you do a thing that he wants.

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Right.

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Like, that's the only time I'll ever say your name out loud, whether it's for a positive

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or a negative or or like buttering you up or intimidating you, no matter what, if he

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is in engaging with you, it is to obtain.

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Yeah.

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And Alex has run out of things to be obtainable from him.

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Like there is like whatever poll numbers are dropping, like it's not going to be affected

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by Alex being like, hey, Trump's good.

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He's cool.

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You're not going to get any bump in the numbers from that.

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Nope.

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So you would have to listen to Alex for one reason and one reason only.

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You believe that Alex is going to lead you to popularity once more.

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So Alex, because he's talking about the polls, he's got a Rasmussen guy on there.

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And so this guy is he's got some criticisms of Trump, like the fact that he pretends to

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be a populist, but is surrounded by billionaires.

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Weird.

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Again, where is the understanding that this needs to be economic populism?

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He ran as a populist and he's surrounded by billionaires.

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Like Bill Paltse might be the nicest guy on earth.

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But when your solution to like the housing crisis is to make prices higher, which is

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what happens when you juice demand without affecting supply, that's what that 50 year

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mortgage will do.

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It will make the baby boomer generation more wealthy because their houses prices will go

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up.

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It will make home builders more wealthy because they can sell higher priced houses and it

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will make bankers more wealthy because they can siphon off more interest out of young

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people.

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And what's really sick is that we have a bubble right now.

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And so for Trump to expand borrowing by expanding credit and relaxing the credit requirements,

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what they're essentially doing is helping struggling people get into the market so that

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boomers who have made a lot of money can get out of the market at the top.

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That's even more perverse.

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And so that's what their solution was when the real solution should be to crash the market.

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And yes, that would be bad for the economy, but everybody was talking about a controlled

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debt detonation of their economy.

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Remember back in January, I think it was, we're like, okay, we're in, how are we bringing

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this thing down?

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And you know what?

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That would have been the best thing for people under 50.

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They could have gotten rid of all the H1Bs and all the visas and then crash the housing

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market.

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That would have given every Zoomer a job, a good job, like an Apple development job.

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Is that how that works?

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Like a fever.

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I don't know if that's how that works.

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Push all the foreigners out all the illegals.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it would push the foreigners out.

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These are some of the dumbest things I've heard a person say.

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Sure.

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That's amazing.

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I'm not positive about controlled demolitions of economies.

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Sure, but I am positive about if you ever thought that Trump was going to do that, you're

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insane.

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You would be ridiculously insane.

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So yeah, I think that this guy, I don't like him.

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I think he sucks, but he has a fair point in as much as like Trump is obviously not

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the person, the populace that he was pretending to be.

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All of these actions are going to transfer more wealth to the people who already have

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wealth at the expense of the people who don't.

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Yeah.

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I don't think there is any way to move forward with any of these people on anything until

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this conversation begins with, oh, Trump has been lying the entire time.

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He did not start lying.

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He is not beginning to do anything.

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He lied to us from the jump.

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We have been wrong.

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Well, you have.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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The people who have been like, this guy sucks.

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Right.

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No, no, no.

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But there's no need for an, I told you so.

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I don't know if period, just moving forward, we have to acknowledge that he was a liar

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then and that now that you know, he was a liar then in the future, you can see other

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liars doing the same thing that he was doing.

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Right.

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And we also need in order to move forward for Alex to admit that he knew that Trump

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was a liar.

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Absolutely.

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From at least 2016 onwards.

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They all did.

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They all did.

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They all knew.

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Yeah.

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So another thing that this poll guy, this Mark Fella, well, another thing that he brings

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up is that there is a large divide between demographics and age cohorts.

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Sure.

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In terms of support for Israel.

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Yeah.

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The older people have a tendency to support Israel and that is fair enough, I guess from

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numbers, but the leap that they make from it is that like young people are just being

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rebellious.

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That sounds right.

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There's a crisis and people reorder society around a new value set.

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So I think Israel is a very deeply ingrained boomer value.

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They saw the nation be formed.

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They supported it all through the years and it's become a religious sacrament.

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And so the young people see that as a rebellion point.

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Did you think Netanyahu understands?

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You think Israel, I mean, the Gallup poll, but some public country in the world, do they

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understand how screwed they are?

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Because everything they do will get Tucker Carlson, will destroy him.

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We'll kill him like a fox in a henhouse.

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I mean, that is the perfect thing to just supercharge hatred against Israel.

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I'm watching Israel literally destroy itself.

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And Napoleon said, never interrupt your enemy when they're destroying themselves or making

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a mistake.

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Well, I'm not their enemy.

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I mean, it's just, it's insane.

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Yeah.

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So now what?

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That's literally it.

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And they're not going to be able to correct this problem because it's generational.

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And again, and this isn't because the young people hate Israel.

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It's just because the young people realize that this is a very strongly held boomer value

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that they can rebel against.

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They're literally just rebelling against the olds.

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And the Nick, Nick Fyness stuff is the perfect example.

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He took a group of people.

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He didn't make all the groipers.

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There have been strongly conservative, disaffected men on the right for a long time.

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They say edgy things.

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And these were the people that got Trump in the white house.

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And nobody even realizes that the people on 4chan, you know, became the people on Reddit

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that became the people pushing all the Trump memes.

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It's the same group of people.

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And Nick Fyness after, you know, rumble and Twitter became more free.

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Nick Fyness realized, well, I can like step in and be edgy and get attention.

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And so what did he do?

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He gave boomers a middle finger by acting antisemitic.

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Or he's antisemitic.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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Like this is, this is the, this is the fundamental thing.

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They don't understand the idea of somebody just doing a thing.

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Well they actually, I think, are motivated not to understand that.

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Because if they did, it would indict their behavior.

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Right.

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They would realize that they themselves are the same thing that they're complaining about.

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Yeah.

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And at very, very least, enablers of that.

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Yeah.

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If not outright supporters of hoping that it happens more.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I think that that's, that's like a really sad thing to see.

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Like oh yeah, all of this bigotry and shit is just youthful rebellion.

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I'm sure there's an element of it that's that.

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Sure.

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Like some percentage of people are lashing out in a rebellion against the olds.

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I guess.

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Or whatever.

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But pretending that there isn't some philosophical or actual problem beliefs that are involved

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here and are motivating people like Nick is pathetic.

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It's not looking at, you know, what you're a part of.

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I mean, it's just, it's, and it's just one of those fundamental, like, I, from, from

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their worldview, from their point of view, I can never look at another person as having

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equal status.

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Right?

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So this person is incapable of thinking as good as I am.

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So what I'm doing is I'm giving them a pre-made excuse for why they're so much dumber than

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me.

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And otherwise they would think clearly and agree with me.

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Right?

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Because the youth are rebellious, they're not thinking as smart as I am.

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Right?

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In every possible circumstance, this is where we're going.

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It's not that they're capable of thinking clearly.

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If they were, they wouldn't be anti-Semitic.

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Right?

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Right.

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Exactly.

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And this is the problem with an interview with a pollster like this is that like, he

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can have numbers that say that the older generations are more supportive of Israel.

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Right.

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He doesn't have any numbers that support this interpretation that he's coming up with.

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This is opinion being presented through the voice of a statistician.

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And I just think it's opinion.

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It should be treated like that.

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And it's dumb.

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I mean, it's, it's reading entrails.

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It's the same, it's the same concept as cutting open a lizard and being like, see, now you

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can, now we know where the future is going to go.

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Except for what, I mean, like when you stick on the topic of numbers, then you're kind

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of fine.

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Sure.

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Numbers are useful and you can misuse them and whatever.

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Sure, sure, sure, sure.

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Trump's numbers are going down and Alex can feel it in the streets.

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And that's something you can't avoid when you're talking to a poll guy.

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And so Alex is like, fuck it.

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I'm going to have to go.

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Let's do it.

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I'm going to have to go yell at the White House.

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All right.

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Trump's doing so much good on policies, on the economy and so many things, but they have

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absolutely ignored Epstein that they've, that now has come roaring back and their handling

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of that.

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And then now they're, they're, they're handling of Israel and you know, the things Trump said

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and did, which I'm not going to belabor because I'll go back to our guests, but you're not

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my supporters if you want to know about Epstein, you know, stuff like that.

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And I get it.

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He's 79 and we need Trump.

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I mean, listen, I'm not somebody that just bashes Trump because then, oh, it'll be a

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big clip.

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The only thing I say is because I absolutely believe it.

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I get criticized for not attacking Trump on every issue because I'm trying to balance

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this of, you know, compared to Kamala Harris's nine day.

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But now that he's starting to sink quickly, I mean, I'm going to have to really take it

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to him.

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And I was invited to Mar-a-Lago over six months ago, the White House.

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I'm supposed to be at what is tonight?

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I'm supposed to be at Mar-a-Lago tomorrow.

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But some people, it wasn't even going to go, I guess I got to go.

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I wasn't even going to go to the White House.

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I'll probably just scream at him.

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And that's why a lot of he doesn't really call me anymore.

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So over the years, I'll say, listen, you got traitors.

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Here's their names.

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Damn it.

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I don't want to hear how great I am because, you know, he had the five minute call.

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It's exactly five minutes.

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And he's going to pat you on the head and do this thing.

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And I'm just like, listen, I got kids.

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I would stop calling, too, if I were.

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That sounds like a bad phone call.

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Yeah, that does not sound enjoyable whatsoever.

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I am trying to just handle you and give you a little bit of like, oh, good boy.

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Yep.

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Pat you on the head.

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You're screaming at me about how you got kids.

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Yep.

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And how there's traitors in the midst.

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You are a hungry dog.

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I leave you outside and I give you food from time to time.

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Do not try and come in the house.

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Yeah.

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Don't piss over here.

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Nope.

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So I don't know.

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Alex is going to go scream at Trump.

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This is going to work.

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Yeah, I think so.

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I think it's about time they've had it, you know?

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Well, I think that the reason that Trump isn't behaving the way Alex wants is because Alex

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hasn't yelled at him.

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Yeah.

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You know, this is really going to bring back the eightfold path, I think.

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You know, that idea of right speech leads to right action.

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Alex, just even in the way, like the administration is ignoring it.

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They're not ignoring it.

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Right.

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Buddy.

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Come on.

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If you speak right, you're going to do right.

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They're not ignoring it even by your own admission where Trump said everyone who is a real follower

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of mine doesn't care about this.

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That's not ignoring.

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You called it a minor cover up at best.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So Mark, the pollster fella.

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He he's bringing up Nick Fuentes a bit about how he's just being rebellious.

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Of course.

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The anti-Semitism is just youthful.

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And people should watch Zoomers.

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Go to the go to YouTube, go to the streamers like I watch a few of them.

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I think Asman Gold is really good.

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They have no political loyalty whatsoever.

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And they're also not conservative.

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We talked a lot about that polling on your show.

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Even the ones that voted for Trump are very socialistic.

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They want to nationalize industries.

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They want excess wealth confiscation.

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They're not.

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So I'll tell you.

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Look at Fuentes.

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Loves Hitler, loves Stalin, loves strong men because that's what the youth and this

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repeats the 20s.

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By the way, kids, when we go through these patterns, you get these strong men, you get

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giant wars and total death and destruction.

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So that's why older people, I don't mean the boomers.

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They're not all of them are social.

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What are we doing?

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Watch the football games.

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But I mean, real technicians like Mark Mitchell, that's run major companies, people that have

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been around like myself.

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We've studied history.

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This doesn't go well.

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And so and so this fascination with black uniforms and, you know, marching armies.

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It's not fun.

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Yeah, you know, and I think you got to look at nuance, like what specifically his real

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platform is.

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I don't watch him, but he had a clip.

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And it's like a lot of that is just shock value to rebel against the zoomers.

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But what these people are asking for is a return to justice.

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They're asking for like some type of equivalent, some blowback to the complete lack of justice

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and the two tiered justice.

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They're looking for economic opportunity and they're looking, quite frankly, for identitarianism.

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And that's something that a lot of people haven't talked about.

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And it was kind of interesting.

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Young people have lost their identity.

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And I'm not even trying to criticize Nick.

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I was going towards a danger point there and just using that as a larger example.

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It's great for Alex to let the guy talk when he's saying that they just want to end to

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the two tiered justice system and economic opportunity.

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But as soon as he says identitarianism, Alex has got to cut that off because it's kind

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of clear that that is a major part of what they want.

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So yeah, I think this guy's just wrong.

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Unless his point was going to go on from the identitarianism to be like, they want a white

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country.

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Right.

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Absolutely.

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Unless he was going to expound on that.

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Which I'm dubious of.

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It's entirely possible that he's thinking more along the lines of like, the kids want

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people to respect gender concepts and identities and all of that stuff.

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Based on the rest of his interview, I don't think so.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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There's only two options, right?

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There's like, I'm using identitarianism as a way of saying, these white people just really

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love whites.

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Yeah.

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Or like, how fine I'll say they, you know?

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Like there's very few middle grounds there.

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Yeah.

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I think that they are still, like no matter what they mean, there's just a desire to be

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like the kids.

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They don't mean it.

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I mean, I don't even know how many generations there are now, because I think people used

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to have like the three generations of the old, you know, the witches.

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You had the maiden, the mother, and the crone, you know?

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It feels like the maiden's like 50 generations at this point, you know?

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Like the eight year olds have complaints about the 10 year olds.

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They're like, we live in different ecosystems.

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They should.

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Exactly.

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They were, one of them was in middle school during COVID and the other one was in elementary.

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Right?

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Like it's totally- Completely different.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You can't finger paint on Zoom.

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Yeah.

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Who could possibly be like, oh, the youths and have a block.

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Yeah.

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Who fucking knows what each individual lunatic they are is, you know?

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Yeah.

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And what lunatic-ness and, you know, maybe even some great things may manifest within

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five to 10 years from- Of course.

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Totally.

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Whatever they've experienced, you know?

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Yeah.

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Let the kids do what they're always going to fucking do and quit bitching about them.

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Yeah.

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And stop trying to cover your ass about how you're enabling Nazis by pretending that their

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racism isn't real.

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They're just rebellious.

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Yeah.

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It's just rebellious.

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Yeah.

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So a lot of this interview ends up being like, shit's bad for Trump.

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Yeah.

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And so Alex ends by joking about killing himself.

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Mark Mitchell, amazing interview.

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We're raising the bat signal, you know, out to Trump, Elon, everybody.

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This is serious.

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Thank you very much.

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Great to be here.

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Thanks.

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Oh, now let's all go slit our wrists.

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I'm not going to commit suicide.

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They kill me today.

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I'd never give a suicide.

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That's a metaphorical thing.

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It's an analogy.

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I'm actually going to jump out of a building.

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I'm joking.

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All right, fuckers.

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Is that joking?

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Doing good.

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Is that joking?

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Balls and strikes.

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Hmm.

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That one's a strike.

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Okay.

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So I mean- I think it's just a recognition of things

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are bad.

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Sure, sure.

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But I'm saying if I'm Alex and I am there, you know, it'd be fun to leave behind an eternal

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mystery of like, no, he didn't.

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Sure.

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Right?

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That's how you want- that's how I would want to go.

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I would want no one to ever know for sure.

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Right.

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You would have to kill yourself in like the most implausible way.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Because you'd want to be the thing that is a riddle forever.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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You want everybody to make a documentary indicting a different three letter organization for

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your murder.

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Yeah.

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The problem is that no one would do that now.

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No, no.

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Like, he couldn't- I don't think he could generate a mystery.

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Yeah, man.

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Man, that's dark.

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Yeah.

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That's dark.

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It would make me want to throw myself out a window.

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Yeah.

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Defenestration.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Ugh.

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So because this conversation ended up involving Nick a little bit and about how his Nazism

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isn't real.

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It's kind of insincere.

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Yeah.

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Alex comes back after this break, this commercial break, talking about Nick a little.

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Okay.

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I literally, in the last year and a half, had private conversations with Nick Fuentes.

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And I told him a lot of stuff I thought was going to happen.

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Most of it came true.

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So he got a little more, I think, respect for me.

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He's always respected me.

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I think Nick's a really smart, funny guy.

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You know, with all the attacks on Christians and conservatives saying, we're Satan, our

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DNA's bad.

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You can't say anything bad about him when he says all his racist stuff.

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I mean, you're the ones that created this atmosphere.

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I'm not engaged because I see where it goes long term.

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Oh, so his stuff is racist.

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So if I understand correctly, the people who didn't say the stuff that you believe they

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said are at fault for the things that you believe Nick Fuentes actually means about

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what he actually said.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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And let's talk about right speech here a little bit.

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When you say that you're not involved in it, you're very involved in it.

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Wow.

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I'm a little involved.

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Alex doesn't have friendly, frequent interviews with people who think white people are the

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devil.

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Sure.

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I have him on every couple of weeks.

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All right.

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So I'm a little involved.

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So maybe he's now a recurring guest on my show is another way of putting that.

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So like a paid regular would be another way of describing something along those lines.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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Totally uninvolved.

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Yeah.

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Uninvolved.

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And Trump is silent.

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Wow.

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Ignoring things.

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Wow.

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He's ignoring it.

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So Alex gets, he does an interview with Viva Fry.

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I don't care.

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Just about how Canada is a mess.

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Oh, Canada is going to struggle.

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And we get to the third hour and Alex is like, I still really haven't covered this Epstein

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stuff.

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For obvious reasons.

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Yeah.

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Oh boy.

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All right.

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I did not get to the Jeffrey Epstein stuff.

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I mean, I covered it.

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Did you do the deep dive here?

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And I said this earlier in the hour, I said, for the last hour, I said, should I even defend

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Trump on this?

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No.

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I'm asking myself that right now.

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Don't because he's not involved with these underage girls.

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Yes, he is.

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Days of evidence to even cover it.

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And the new stuff they brought up, it's the top story ever.

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Oh God, he's caught red handed.

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And you read it and already know the backstory.

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It's exculpatory.

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It makes Trump look good.

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Because it's what happened.

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And they would have already used this stuff on him if they had it.

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So it's an interesting story.

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It shows how the corporate media lies and spins.

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I think we already know they do that.

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Should I even do this?

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No, no, no, no.

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No.

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No.

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The answer is no.

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Do you know how bad it is?

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I officially can say, go fuck yourself, Michael Wolf.

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Just because he sent an email to the guy.

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I don't need extra details.

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There's no other information I need.

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Fuck that guy.

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I think this is some real existential business for Alex.

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He's struggling with, should I even fucking do this?

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He's trying to articulate it as Trump is so innocent, should I even defend him?

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That's obviously not what's going on.

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No, he's so fucking guilty, even I am struggling to come up with any possible way to not say,

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this man is obviously guilty.

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And to deny that there's more information that is going to come out.

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It's just a guy who's like, fuck, he's trapped.

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There's no other way to put it.

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He wants to jump out a window.

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We're reaching, can God create a mountain so big he can't move it territory on how fucking

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guilty this guy is.

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He's so fucking guilty.

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There's no other way to describe it.

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And Alex is like, there are other white supremacist people that Alex could rally behind.

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There's other leaders, he could jump to J.D. Vance or whatever.

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There's plenty of options available for him to choose a new God King kind of guy.

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The fact that he doesn't is weird to me.

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I think it's an admission that none of them are funny.

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It's an admission that none of them have any charisma.

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It's an admission that for whatever reason, Trump's specific brand of douchebaggery resonates

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with a specific person and they cannot recreate it.

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Well, I think that's part of it, definitely.

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That's definitely part of the charm that people are personally into.

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I think it's also a belief that Alex has that any other politician would not help him.

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Like if he goes to jail, Trump will probably get him out of jail.

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Trump will pardon him.

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He pardoned Roger.

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Yeah.

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Vance wouldn't.

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See, that's why you want a corrupt president.

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Because you're on the side of the good corruption.

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I think that that's maybe what I feel.

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Man, yeah, you're right.

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Because if somebody had helped get Obama elected in the same way that Stone did, Obama would

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distance himself and be like, that was never, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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Trump is the only one who's like, fuck you, I'll pardon him.

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What are you going to do about it?

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Yeah, I got to take care of my guys.

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What are you going to do about it?

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Everyone from January 6th.

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You got it.

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Done.

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What are you going to do about it?

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Fucking nothing.

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That's what you're going to do about it.

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Yeah, so I think that Alex has every reason to think that if anyone would get his back

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just out of spite, it would be Trump.

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That would be, oh man, that's a big Trump card.

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Yeah, literally.

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Pun strongly intended.

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So Trump's covering up the Epstein stuff, which is the deep dive, I guess.

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Sure, but it's cool.

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Oh.

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Because Trump with Ratcliffe for Israel and the CIA, not as a Mossad.

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In the conservatory.

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Are covering it up for national security because of how many big corporate leaders are involved.

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It's not Trump.

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So I've said it, I'm not holding my nose on Trump.

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He's in there.

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He's way better than Kamala, but I'm going to cover this stuff.

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He is, his administration is covering up the Intel connections and the head of Harvard

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and all these other hedge fund people.

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Most of them Democrats, almost all of them, because Trump has been convinced it's too

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damaging to bring out.

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And then there's some back leverage on the bad guys like the king of England and his

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brother to make them play ball.

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Well it don't look like they're playing ball.

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Doesn't look like your blackmail worked too good because you're getting, it's being used

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on you.

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And that's why Trump's so pissed.

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Wait, what?

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Which I said, that's one of the things he might do.

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Wait, wait, wait, wait.

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He either brings it all out.

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Damn, the torpedoes go straight at him just to be done by the heavens fall.

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That's what I do.

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What?

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Or he tries to manage it because, you know, he didn't want to bring down the whole country.

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Well, the coverup is what's going to bring down the country.

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So I already wargamed this.

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I hit it whole in one.

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And I guess I'll just go through it quickly and maybe I'll do a longer report because

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it's, it's, I did so much preparation for this.

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It's hard to just kind of skim over it, which still my skimming over it will be the deepest,

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deepest dive anybody does on it, which is again, super frustrating because I see all

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these idiots that don't know anything.

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And I'm not saying that for pleasure.

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I'm like, why do I know so much more than everybody?

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Man, it's gotta be tough.

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He's too smart to live.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Now if I'm maybe, maybe I'm crazy.

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Maybe I'm crazy because to me, what I just heard this guy say, right, is that despite

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having screamed for years and years and years about being a populist, yada, yada, yada,

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who's against the global steep state, yada, yada, yada, who hates corruption, yada, yada,

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you know, the whole thing, right?

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That's his whole thing.

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Despite all of that, if I were in power, I would do everything the same way that they

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did.

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That's the smart thing to do.

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No, Alex is saying for himself, he would release everything and just let the chips fall where

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they may.

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I don't believe him.

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But that's what he's saying.

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Right, right, right, right.

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He's saying that Trump is either like totally involved in the coverup or he's taking the

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blackmail to use it against Prince or King Charles.

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Right.

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How do you like that blackmail ball?

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And it's not working because people are using it against Trump.

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So like, he's saying that those are the two options of what Trump is doing.

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Whereas for him, he would damn the torpedoes straight ahead.

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Okay.

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It's bullshit.

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Yeah.

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But it makes a little more, it makes his behavior a little bit less incongruous with his character.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I got that.

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I got that backwards.

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Yeah, but it's still him saying like, he is this guy who hates corruption and all this

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shit.

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But if the guy that you elected and staked your entire career on decides to go with the

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deep state, maybe you gotta hold your nose.

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What is the implication of saying that that is a smart move?

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You know what I mean?

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Right.

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You'd have to think it's stupid.

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You can't think that it is a smart move and also think that you would do something different

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without thinking that the thing you would do is stupid in comparison to the smart move,

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right?

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Unless they're like real close.

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Fair enough.

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You know, both are stupid.

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Yeah, you know, like, hey, if you're in a toss up, fuck it, I'll do the one that I want

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to do.

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I get what you're saying there.

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Yeah.

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That's tough because I think what he's trying to appeal to is that there would be huge consequences.

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Right, right, right, right.

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What would happen is everything that you have desired to happen to the government since

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we started this whole Trump thing 10 years ago, if he released that information, you

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would get everything you want.

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Which would be a big change.

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Right.

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And you would hate that, to get everything that you wanted since the beginning, that

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was the whole reason that this journey started.

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Ironically, yes.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Alex would have no reason to exist.

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Nope.

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There would be no like secret conspiracy that's behind the scenes that only he's smart enough

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to have smelled out.

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So yeah, of course he doesn't want that.

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His existence is predicated on their existence.

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That they don't exist means he has an eternal job security.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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So we have one last clip and it's Alex just like, he is in nothing but damage control.

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Well it turns out we have the emails now and this is the best they had.

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They say in a couple days, a week, they're going to release it all.

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But the first thing they release is Epstein talking to the guy writing an anti-Trump book,

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Wolf.

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And it's, yeah Trump was really mad.

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I was getting girls out of his club and you know his wife was mad, everybody else was

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mad at me.

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And so he dropped a dime on me.

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That's what the emails say.

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I'll show them to you.

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But when you read Drudge Report or watch CNN, it's oh, Epstein emails claim Trump knew

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about the girls, spent hours with the victim.

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Well yeah, they worked at Mar-a-Lago and the victim said Trump never did anything to him.

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And the other victim said that and out of the hundreds only two were ever at Mar-a-Lago.

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But you read these headlines, you think he's totally guilty.

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So the email never says that Trump dropped a dime on him.

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Alex is just adding that so it works better for the narrative.

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Also the email doesn't say that Trump spent time with one of the victims at Mar-a-Lago.

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It specifically says that he spent hours with her at Epstein's house.

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Alex is lying about this because if he didn't, it would be very hard to spin.

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It makes sense.

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Oh, the reason that Epstein would say that he spent hours with one of the victims is

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because she worked at Mar-a-Lago.

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Duh, that's the innocent explanation.

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But it's defending against the wrong claim.

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That it's at Epstein's house.

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Yeah, it feels like this is him modeling argument behavior for you.

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Take this argument with you whenever your libtard friends are like, but her emails,

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then you can go, actually, buh buh buh, you know, that whole thing.

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You might be able to get someone who hasn't read them or whatever unconfident and on their

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back foot and that's going to be good enough for whatever altercation you get in.

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It's not good enough for analysis, though.

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No, and it's not good enough for that argument because regardless of whether or not you're

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ready to understand the analysis, the fundament that it exists at all is the problem that

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you can't erase.

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There's no way to get around this.

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These are emails about Trump and Epstein being in the same place with children.

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That shouldn't exist.

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And I honestly think that there is no real reason to ever give a positive explanation

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for being associated with Epstein, knowing that he was recruiting minors out of your

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resort and not having a history of scorched earth against the person.

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If you don't try to kill them, then you're complicit.

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Essentially, there's no version of this history that isn't like, well, it's a small response

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that you had.

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Yeah, absolutely not.

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You go to the press and talk about how Jeffrey Epstein likes him young.

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I mean, Jesus.

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Like, make jokes about it.

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Right.

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Write about mysteries and friendship riddles in a birthday book.

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You don't do this shit.

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How is it possible that there aren't just no...

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Oh, man.

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It feels like there could be automatic guide rails in place for shit like, oh, this guy's

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associated with a pedophile billionaire.

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That feels like something that if we're going to venerate the founding fathers, I think

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I could have thought of that day one.

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No pedophile super rich people.

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Guys, just I know it seems like a bit much right now to put in the preamble, but I swear

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it's going to pay off.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It would be good.

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It would be good.

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I think it should be across the aisle type of issue.

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I feel like I've connected with everybody regardless of political beliefs for most of

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my entire life about, hey, no pedophile billionaires.

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Somehow now in the year 2025, there's ambiguity about this?

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Yeah.

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I think we were lulled into a false sense of security because Dennis Hastert got in

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trouble.

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Yeah, you got one.

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Yeah.

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I think it made people feel like, we've got it.

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People will take this seriously.

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Yeah, we grabbed, we got one so we can do it again.

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So I think with Alex, there's just like, this is sad.

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I don't have any like desire to rebut him or to like debunk whatever he's saying because

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it's meaningless.

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Like this is a disconnected from his soul person.

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There is nothing about the career that he built, the fake integrity that he wore as

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a costume that would be able to be like, he's involved in the Epstein cover up now, but

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not before.

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That's ludicrous.

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You've lost the game and given up already.

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And that's generally how I feel about him.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I agree with you.

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I think the one problem that I have with this is that to me, once you've reached what should

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be rock bottom, licking the boots of an Epstein cover up, that feels rock bottomy.

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And if you have another choice that takes you lower and you take that choice, to me

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that is like, well, fuck it.

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Let's dive.

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Hanging out with a child Nazi.

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Yeah.

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Let's, no more, no more stair steps down to the bottom.

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Maybe I'm going to head first.

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We're going to try and find as deep as this pool goes and I'm going to be a crazy person.

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Yeah.

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That would be fun, but I think Alex has such a sense of himself as the hero that he could

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never consciously go downward.

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Like he would never be able to like villainize himself and be like, I'm going to the bottom.

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Yeah.

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That's his dramatic irony.

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Every heroic step he thinks he takes up is too down.

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Yeah.

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So I, I guess he's just got to shoot for the stars.

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Keep on dreaming Alex.

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Bigger dreams.

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You're going to get that painting show buddy.

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Yeah.

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Come on man.

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You can do it.

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So anyway, we'll check back in and see how he deals with the further emails that took

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at release.

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Jesus Christ.

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What a world.

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But until then we have a website.

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Indeed we do.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Yep.

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We'll be back.

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But until then I'm Neo.

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I'm Mark.

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I am the mysterious professor.

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Woo.

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Yeah.

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Woo.

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Yeah.

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Woo.

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And now here comes the sex robots.

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Andy in Kansas.

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You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.