Transcript/1089: Tucker, The Man And His Capitulation

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan

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I'm Jordan

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene

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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones

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Oh indeed we are, Dan

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Jordan

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Dan

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Jordan

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Quick question for ya

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What's up?

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What's your bright spot today buddy?

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Why don't you go first?

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Uh, my bright spot is that my wife's mom, my mother-in-law I suppose, she was in the hospital

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She had some serious health issues

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Right

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Went to the ICU

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That's the intensive

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Yeah

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Care unit

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That's not what you want to hear whenever somebody is like full-on 80 years old

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Mhm

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But she had some surgery, they did some stuff and now she's out

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That's wonderful

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Right, she's, or at least she's out of the surgery

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Sure

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As of now I don't think she's fully left the ICU but she's getting out of the ICU

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But you could still

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She's on the direction

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You could still say that the care is less intensive

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Yes, it's far less intensive now

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So that is a huge bright spot

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Yeah, that's wonderful

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Yeah

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When, you know, surgeries are required it's always real scary and

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Yeah, even if the surgery was great, you know, like anytime somebody has to go under you're

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like this is fucked, you know, so

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Yeah, there's all kinds of moments of uncertainty and, you know, that's great cheese, alright?

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Great news

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Yep

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Wonderful

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Yeah, how about you? What's your bright spot?

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So look, I have to bring you down a little

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You have to bring me down

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I'm going to pull on your collar here a little bit, I'm going to chew on your ear

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Uh, I gotta

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Did I do something wrong?

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You did

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Okay

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So, um, people may not know this but before we record sometimes we chat a little bit

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before we start the recording

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I think we always chat

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Yeah

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But last time something happened that made an impression upon me

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What was that?

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Well, we were talking and you brought up that you had eaten some grape nuts

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Yes

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And I told you I've never had grape nuts because I don't like raisins

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Right, right, right, right

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And then you had a full-on panic about whether or not grape nuts have raisins in them

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Sure

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To me, I thought it made total sense because a grape nut would be a raisin

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Raisins come from grapes

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I understand the concept

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Yeah

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Yeah

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Um, so you looked it up and it turns out there are no raisins in grape nuts

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Right, right, right, right

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They're called that for a mysterious reason

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There are no grapes and there are no nuts in them

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Correct, yes

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And I felt horrible that I had made you doubt your sanity

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I regained it very shortly

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Yeah, but still it was a moment I could see it in your eyes

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There was an intensity to that like, oh no

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So I decided to take it upon myself to try grape nuts

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Yeah

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Because you loved them and now I know there aren't raisins in them

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Right

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It sucks, it's awful

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Did you eat them dry?

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No, I had milk

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Okay, all right, it's awful?

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Yes

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Why is it awful?

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Yes, shit, so boring

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They were in their grape, they are boring, no, no, no, don't get me wrong

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Yeah

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They are very boring

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Yeah, I didn't love it, I would rather, I would much rather have like a wheat flake

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or something like that than that or some sort of granola thing than a grape nut

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I think what it is, I'll tell you this, extreme crunch

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If you're a person who like chews ice, if you're, you know, when you're drinking a soda

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and you crunch on the ice and it annoys people, if you're one of those people,

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grape nuts are fucking amazing

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Yeah, why don't you go get a rock then?

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I mean, I understand

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Do you want a rock?

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It's borderline what we're doing

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Yeah, I'm thrilled that they don't have raisins because I do not care for raisins

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Right

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But I really am pissed about the name

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But now having eaten them too, I'm even more mad, it just makes no sense

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They suck, I hate you

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I appreciate, here's what I appreciate, I appreciate that you hate them for the right

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reasons now, you know, before you didn't try them because you assumed that they were something

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that they are clearly not, now that you've stepped into the future of grape nuts, you realize

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they suck on their own

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Yeah, I'd much rather, I guess, see, I'm like, oh, what's a comparable adult cereal?

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I'm like, life? No, life has sugar in it

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Yeah, that shit's just crunchy wheat, that's really what grape nuts is, right?

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Anyway, we have an episode to go over today, Jordan, and it is not about the origin of

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grape nuts

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God, if only

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I do wish it was at this point, but we'll get into this and chat about something, but first

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let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks

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Oh, that's a great idea

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So first, shout out to Jesse, and thank you for listening to this nonsense with me on

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day trips and also turning it down when we roll the window down so people don't think

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we're freaks

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Love you, sugar tips, thank you so much, you're now Policy Wonk

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I'm a Policy Wonk

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Thank you very much

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Thank you

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Next, why does Nolan, the largest friend, not simply eat the other friends?

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Thank you for showing me this podcast and for being a great friend since elementary

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school, thank you so much, you're now Policy Wonk

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I'm a Policy Wonk

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Thank you very much

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I love a Futurama reference

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Yeah, sure, sure

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The use of the word friend made me think of like, NBC's Friends

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Yes

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And I was trying to fit Nolan into there

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Right

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No, it's a joke about how the friends should have, how Chandler should have eaten the other

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friends

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Shit, I didn't get it

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I'm not a Futurama guy, alright?

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It's come out

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He's from Omicron Persei

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Great

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Next

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Alright

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Love your show, but hate when you play Nick Fuentes clips

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His shrill, whiny voice could knock down passing aircraft for the sake of flight safety

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At least modulate his voice into something less ear-shattering, chipmunk, Darth Vader,

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anything

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Big fan, Alejandro, thank you so much, you're now Policy Wonk

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I'm a Policy Wonk

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Thank you very much

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I have terrible news for Alejandro today

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Oh no

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Oh no

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So we also have a technocrat in the mix room

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So thank you so much to HasDanGotAnewWinterJacketYet

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Thank you so much, you're now a technocrat

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I'm a Policy Wonk

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Four stars, go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant

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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop

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Daddy Shark, bomp bomp, bomp bomp bomp

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent

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He's a loser little, little titty baby

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I don't want to hate black people, I renounce Jesus Christ

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Look

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Yeah

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Listen

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What?

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I got a thin-ish coat last winter

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Right

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And it worked

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It worked fine

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For most of the winter

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Most of the winter

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And so I'm rocking that for now

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Gonna go for it

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But as I'm getting out on the road a little bit more and maybe gonna be doing some outdoorsier

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things

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That's a good point

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I do need to be in the market for a sturdier coat

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You're gonna want to like actual coat?

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Coat

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Yeah if I'm gonna go and like hike some trails in you know the post November months

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Absolutely

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Yeah so look, look, look, I'm fine, I got a coat

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Here's here's what I think is great about your your new plans right

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Is that you have only opened yourself up to more has Dan bought one of these things that

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he might need situations like do you have a blanket for the back of your car in case you're you know

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I have a sleeping bag

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Exactly like what more do you need do you have your towel Dan?

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No

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See

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But I I um yeah I think that what's nice about this is that I will be out there on a trail

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And I'll be like fuck I've got to get a coat and then I will do it

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Right

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You know

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Right

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It'll force my hand in terms of like if I want to do this again

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Right

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I'm going to die if I don't get a coat

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Well I will say that I don't necessarily I don't think that any particular message from somebody

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has reached the level of technocrat but collectively the number of people who have

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tried to remind you to have a quote full on technocrat status

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Yeah but like honestly if I get a coat

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Yeah

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Then what you're gonna ask me about how the coat's doing?

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No this is fun people asking me if I've gotten a coat yet

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It there's only a will they won't they until I get a coat

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Here's what I want from this I need you to become a TikTok coat influencer now where

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sponsors send you coats you wear them for like a second and go hmm and then put a new coat on

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Pee coat

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Yeah that's what people do

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Absolutely yeah let's do the cane

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Yeah so Jordan

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Yes Dan

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Right off the bat I need to call myself out for being completely wrong about something

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All right

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This will likely go down as a as big of a failed prediction as the yay isn't going to come on

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Info Wars time that people keep reminding me of but I was super wrong in my guess that Tucker

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Carlson would not be dumb enough to have Nick Fuentes on his show but this week Tucker made

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the wild decision to do that interview

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Fuck me

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Yeah

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God damn it did I not tell you that I wanted to have a campaign start with Nick Fuentes

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God damn it

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So on the surface there's no reason to do this interview and the choice tells me that Tucker

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is willing to make the bargain that comes along with buddying up with Nick

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He's made friends with and elevated the voice of a Nazi purity tester

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A guy who will use his audience to launch online wars against right-wing media figures

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who are too lukewarm

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Over the past couple of weeks Nick has been popping up more on shows that like to pretend

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that they're a bit closer to the mainstream like Glenn Greenwald's show System Update

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What?

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And Patrick Bette David's podcast

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Oh my god

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A lot of this has to do with the fallout of the Charlie Kirk murder and how figures on

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the extreme right wing have responded to it

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Anti-Semitic shit has become way more popular than it was a few years ago and with Elon

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taking over Twitter and throwing out all moderation standards that type of content is so much

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more on the surface than it was you know just a number of years ago

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For sure

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As such you have tons of different pseudo-nazi creators who have popped up and they've built

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their own brands but a lot of it is pretty lazy stuff

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Being a bigot is easy because all you have to really do is yell about how the group you

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hate is responsible for all the shit you don't like

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What you say doesn't really have to make sense

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It just has to feel right for a particular audience and you have to keep up your momentum

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You can't stop

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You'll look like an idiot once the you know

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If you're allowed to think for a second you realize you're stupid

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Yeah, Wile E. Coyote only falls when he stops running

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Yep

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Being an ideologue is harder because sometimes you have to resist the easy move in order to

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stay true to a larger principle that you have

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Knee jerk reactions get you an audience that's one knee jerk away from abandoning you

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and an ideologue has to consider that kind of danger

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I say all this because Nick Fuentes shocked the world when he resisted the urge to blame

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Israel for Charlie Kirk's murder

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This is notable since he hates Israel specifically and Jewish people generally

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and because Nick rose to prominence by trying to destroy Charlie and Turning Point for not

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being anti-Semitic enough

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Put simply, this was a meatball being thrown right over home plate and all Nick had to

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do was swing and he was guaranteed a home run

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But he didn't and he even went so far as to criticize people for jumping to the conclusion

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that this was an Israeli hit job

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His reasons for staking this position make a lot of sense

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Charlie was a long time supporter of Israel and there's no conceivable reason why Israel

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would want to kill him

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Charlie's organization Turning Point is also largely pro-Israel and he's closely entwined

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with the Trump administration who have a mostly friendly position on Israel

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Killing Charlie makes no sense as a primary objective for Netanyahu to have and it's a bad

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strategic move even if it's just in terms of like you're doing an elaborate false flag to

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make him a martyr because there's no guarantee that whoever takes over Turning Point would

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be as successful a communicator in the attention economy as Charlie

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Yeah, there's no situation where you're Israel and you kill Charlie Kirk that is

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winding up better than if you're Israel and Charlie Kirk just keeps doing the same thing

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he's doing

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Yeah, yeah, it makes sense why Nick would approach this with caution but the ecosystem

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that his content lives in now has grown and a lot of other pseudo-Nazis didn't have the

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same take that he did

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Because Nick was out there saying that he didn't think that Israel killed Charlie Kirk

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a lot of folks in the right-wing media got the sense that he was changing his stance

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on Israel and Jewish people because everyone really understands that his criticisms aren't

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of Israel

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Because they're all so fucking stupid

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Yes, and because they all live in their game

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This idea is addressed specifically in an interview that Nick did with noted racist

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coward street gang founder Gavin McGinnis which you'll hear here

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I feel like you've sort of switched recently on the J's a little bit

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Yeah, people have been saying that but that's only because I said that Israel didn't kill

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Charlie Kirk but I only believe that because I think that Charlie Kirk was pro-Israel

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So that's you loving Jews in this day and age?

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Yeah, literally, yeah

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Yeah, switch up

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That's all it's based on?

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Yes

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Oh fuck

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Yeah, isn't that crazy?

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That's crazy because you know just sort of feeling like we all have our own personal

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AIs and just sort of feeling the chatter I was like oh Nick's coming around he's kind

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of supporting Israel now

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No, no, I just said that they didn't kill him

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Which is insane

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So as Gavin said everybody has their own AI and he'd gotten some chatter that maybe

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Nick was warming up to Israel and I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people didn't get

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that misconception

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In the attention economy that all these shitheads exist there's no reason for Nick not to blame

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Israel

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It's the only position he could have that's in line with what they understand his brand

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So it's easy to see him not taking that easy position as him trying to indicate to the

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attention economy that he's willing to play ball

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Up to this point it's easy to see him as a toxic entity who just hates Jewish people

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has cultivated a large incel Nazi audience and through that has built his own kayfabe

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So many of these other right-wing media figures they've created their kayfabe off taking

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Nazi shit and repackaging it through plausibly deniable language

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But Nick's kayfabe works differently

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He doesn't need that plausible deniability so interacting with them forces them to shit

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or get off the pot

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Do you mean that Nazi shit you're winking about or are you just a bunch of winks signifying

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nothing and you're just trying to scam Nazis?

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Yep

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He forces the issue in a way that a lot of them probably don't want

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Yeah, no, I think it's it's hard to it's hard to overstate this, right?

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The position that he was in whenever we last spoke about him and I I said something along the lines of like

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I would like to you know how they have those campaigns right the pre-loaded things

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I don't want to do the stuff that it took to get to where he was a few months ago

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But a few months ago where he was is positioned so well to do exactly what he is doing right now

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And he's doing it. Yeah, and it's fucking annoying because I could do it better

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I could fucking do it better. I could kill these people. I would crush this shit, but I'm not a Nazi Dan

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Yeah, I don't know. Maybe you could maybe you couldn't I don't I don't know

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I don't know how well he's gonna navigate all this. Yeah, because I think that there is a

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side

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Consequence that we'll talk about later that maybe isn't predicted for I mean, he's young he's too young

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That's gonna be trouble but because of this, uh this sort of like breaking through the wink of plausible deniability

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Like nick's proximity threatens to blow up plausible deniability

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Like most figures in this world because of that they're wise to just steer clear of him, right?

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It's not worth it to crack the door because once you do it's too late. He's going to be in your house

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Nick taking the position that it probably wasn't israel who killed charlie kirk has tricked a lot of right-wing figures into thinking that nick has

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entered their game

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To be clear. It's not a case where all these right-wing figures are pro-israel and now think that nick is too

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So, uh, it's cool to talk to him. That's not what I mean by that

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Right, right, right

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It's more that they believed him to be a blame israel for everything pundit who is essentially crazy

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Almost compulsive in his hating of israel and jewish people by showing that he's not nick has made himself a more palatable guest option

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For some people who wouldn't have wanted to have him on before

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And it doesn't hurt that a lot of mainstream outlets have run breathless pieces about him like they did about richard spencer in 2016

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All hearts aflutter about the new clean-cut nazi on the scene love nazis

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Nick's getting all that buzz combined with his public fight with the knee-jerk nazis about israel killing kirk has led to him becoming

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Far less scary for someone to interview and that's uh, not good

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I I mean

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it one thing that it should show beyond any reasonable doubt is that

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the people he is

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About to run roughshod over don't understand the even concept of ideological consistency

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It simply doesn't exist for them because they would never it would never make sense for them for him to criticize or say

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It's not israel because he's just a crazy guy who hates israel, right?

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There's no possible way. He has an ideology. He's leaving points on the table exactly

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He could be scoring and getting clicks off of and right no one will ever hold him responsible for being wrong or anything

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the idea of like

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Okay

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An ideology means that even when I have to eat it. I am going to continue doing this stuff

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Even when it fucking sucks, i'm going to continue believing this even whenever I am personally harmed, right?

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Right, they don't get that at all. Well, that's one possible interpretation. But another possible interpretation is

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these people have

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largely

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calculated what his brand is and

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There is something really huge to gain

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In being classy about charlie kirk's murder as opposed to wallowing in and rolling around in the shit, right?

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And I think that he's he's reaping the benefits of a longer game, right?

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No, but that's again. That's what i'm saying. The the idea of it though is

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The the reason that ideological consistency has an advantage

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Is that once you get to the situation where you're talking to the tuckers or these larger people?

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They are going their waves are going to crash. You know, you're actually consistent no matter what they do

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It's going to look like shit compared to you. I don't think I don't think it's full on ideological consistency, but I

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I don't think he's capable of that. Yeah, I I think there's a larger project

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Right, uh that he's consistent to let's say then then ideological consistency because a lot of his shit doesn't make sense

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No, no, no. I mean again i'm i'm with you there, but this this just like

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their

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Fiction only exists so long as everybody is in that fiction. Once it hits a truth. You're fucked

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Yeah for most of these people yeah, I think gavin is a little bit different because I think he's

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On board with most of the shit that makes yeah. Yeah. He's just a regular nazi too. Yeah, and like I I well

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not not quite regular but

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more white supremacist maybe sure but like the um

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yeah, the

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It's it's a it's a weird thing to welcome. Yeah for these folks you get and it's foolish

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So nicks made the rounds and it all culminated in an interview with tucker carlson

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The guy who said that nick was a weird gay kid in his parents basement the guy who said that nick was a fed mere months

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ago

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And look here's the bottom line of the whole thing

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It's not a meaningful interview. Of course

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Not it's kind of dull and it almost has the vibe like tucker isn't interested in challenging things

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Nick's saying well nick is on his best behavior to come off as a normal moderate type of guy to tucker's audience

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Tucker apologizes for calling nick a gay fed and it all kind of just felt like a puff piece for nick, right?

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I intended to do an episode about the tucker nick interview, but it was a snooze

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So what i'm going to do instead is present some bullet points from the various interviews that nick's done on this media tour

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That I think are my main takeaways that I think are actually important. All right, okay

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So what we're going to do is treat his entire tour as one

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gigantic interview with a bunch of rotating interviewers kind of because he does like he definitely has some talking points and you can

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Definitely tell like he's telling some of the same stories, right?

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And like there's a little bit of message discipline between the interviews. Sure

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Um, but there are a few things that that are that I find interesting even yeah, even with that. Yeah. Okay. Gotcha

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So the first thing that I wanted to highlight is the different strategies that are used by different interviewers sitting down with nick

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Each is looking for a different thing out of the exchange and you can really see it and how they interact with them

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So first up we have gavin mcginnis who has an angle that's the closest to what we've seen

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Historically from alex in terms of dealing with nick sure

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alex has tried over and over again for to get nick to just cool it on the anti-semitism and

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Start using coded language with this plausible deniability

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So you can better fit into the business model that alex profits from sure

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On first glance it could appear that this is what gavin is doing too, but his angle is actually a little bit grosser

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His primary argument for nick is that not all jews are bad great, which is what he's trying to perfect say here

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I just want you to be aware of how many jews do not support netanyahu's policies and that includes israel that includes american jews

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My like my family's been terrorized by my neighbors who are disproportionately jewish, but they're secular jews

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Uh, they're atheist jews

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They are marxists. They're bolsheviks

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You know, I think one big difference between you and I is when you think of holodomor you think of jews

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When I think of holodomor, I think of atheists

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And once you're an atheist and a communist

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You're you're not part of a religion, right? You're you're everything wrong with humanity

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And that's who I I want to focus the beef on

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Because all these great jews get caught up in the anti-semitism like who like who like who?

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What the fuck are you talking about? Yeah, so gavin taking this approach reveals two things one

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He knows that nick thinks all jewish people are bad and wants him to soften that edge

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Sure, and two he thinks nick hasn't heard the atheist jews argument a thousand times and not already rejected it, uh fully

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Unsurprisingly gavin gets nowhere in the argument and he ends up looking like an idiot

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Well nick basically just laughs at him

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But I think there's one part of their conversation that stands out in terms of this is where their disconnect really is

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And this is what I wanted to get you to

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Jews are exceptional whites when they do bad they do exceptional bad when they do good

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They do exceptional good when they do good. My daughter was born at beth israel

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You know

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They israel invents a pill that you swallow and it gives you like a reverse colonoscopy

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And you film everything going down. They're overrepresented in the fields medals

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They're overrepresented in nobel peace prizes. Yes, they're overrepresented in media and banking as are the irish by the way

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You've seen those memes. Yeah. Oh, yeah

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So when I see these when I I think white I think jews are really just whites who don't drink

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If I didn't drink i'd be yeah

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Right now I agree. Yeah, well you're canadian

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I would change that law. I'd be that powerful like bloomberg giving himself an extra term. Yeah, they're like the amish

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Like they're just us at our purist in many ways. I well

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I I don't disagree

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They are gifted and I I agree with you that a lot of anti-semites are reluctant to even uh, give them their due

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Because they are brilliant. Uh, and that's how that is part of why they're so powerful

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So this is truly what they don't agree on

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They both believe in white supremacy and wish to live in a country where all meaningful power is held by white men

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And think that their beliefs are based on the natural order of the world

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But they don't agree on whether or not jewish people can be white

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In general gavin likes what nick does he just wants to sand down some of these edges

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If he were sincere in this motivation

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This would be a really stupid angle because nick knows damn well that his edges are the reason he has an audience

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Yeah, the day he decides to soften his position on jewish people and say, okay, I guess right-wing jews are pretty cool, right?

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That's the day his audience decides he's sold out to israel and this whole fucking thing collapses

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I mean, it's the edges are my business. It's the only thing that matters, right?

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I am I am the place where you are not the idea of me being where you are is a waste of my time

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Yeah, so the very idea that uh, gavin is having this conversation with him

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Uh, like he knows yeah, it's fucking stupid, right and it is largely predicated on this idea of like

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Oh, I thought like because you didn't blame israel for the kirk assassination

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I I thought maybe we could get some business going together. I mean, it's it's so it's so fucking stupid

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It's so fucking stupid for another reason that it reveals is that they don't have an idea of like

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An enemy that is an enemy

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Right like an enemy that is your enemy is somebody who is either your equal or somebody at the very least who is working

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Against you and that means that to fight them you have to ascribe to them some

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Tiny measure of intelligence

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Otherwise, you're just making up a bunch of bullshit and lying to people like alex does yeah, right?

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So if your enemy is israel, then you don't think israel's that fucking stupid. Otherwise, why would they be your enemy?

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sure, sure, and um, you don't like like

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Israel isn't nick's enemy right and that's the sort of elephant in the room of all this is like he is an anti-semite

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He doesn't just have criticisms of israel, right?

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Yeah, absolutely. He talks about how like, uh, you know his there's jewish problems and stuff like that

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It's matrilineal and like, you know, he's not talking about the government or right or uh, or israel the state

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but again part of this conversation even includes this underpinning of like

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Yes, you understand I i'm not hating all jews because I think they're stupid

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I'm hating them because they're so smart they can control the world

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Right, like so if i'm thinking these people are so smart. Why would I ascribe to them the dumbest possible shit?

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Yeah, only if they're made up and stupid like your enemies. Yeah. Yeah. I mean gavin is not that great. Not that bright

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No, not very bright kind of thinks he's funny and good for him. I hope he has fun on his show. They're marxists

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So gavin knows nick so he has more of a reason to be familiar with the type of game that he would be playing

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and

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I found the

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Comparison between that and the next interviewer in our lineup to be really interesting. This is uh, patrick bett david, right?

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Fans of our show will remember patrick bett david as the insurance multi-level marketing scam guy who started a youtube channel and interviewed a very drunk

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Alex jones in a hotel room in 2017

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Like very fragile, right? Yeah, and then hillary is a vampire hillary is now I have a tattoo and now I have a

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I have a patrick bett david tattoo. You have a

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In a roundabout way. Yes. You have a patrick bett david tattoo. Yeah

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So from there

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He's become a big name in the dipshit right wing media space and he prides himself on being the kind of guy who'll have a

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conversation with anyone

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Everyone told him not to talk to nick and that just makes him want to talk to him more. Oh my god

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So pbd is a money maker and that's like all his shit is really about

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Yeah

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Right-wing politics serves the interests of the people making massive amounts of money and the right-wing audience is the easiest to make money off

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Of so it's a natural fit for him

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Pure and simple pbd just thinks that there's money to be made off interviewing nick

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So he's doing it and he gives zero shits about what he's presenting to the audience

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In the interview nick complains about how people called him a racist for a video clip that got posted some years back

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Where he says that people of different races having sex is degenerate in the same way that having sex with a dog might be degenerate

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Yeah, that's racism. Yeah. Yep

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So keep in mind patrick bett david describes himself as an asyrian who was born in iran and he's married to a white woman

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With that context in place here is a little exchange of the two of them

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And how old are you at this time? Uh, just about to turn 19

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So you're still 18 and this is what's happening. Yes

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Got it. So what do you do next?

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So I have to defend myself. This this video is going viral and ever and ben shapiro retweeted it by the way

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Ben shapiro quote tweeted that reagan battalion video 100 are you positive 100 he said what did he say? This is very concerning

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Is that the video rob? Yes, sir. Can I see it, please?

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Her in your daily like existence by jews. Yes, absolutely

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you laugh at it like

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How so can you would you say that me having sex with my dog is the same thing as me having sex with a black man

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No

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But they're both they would both be degenerate. Oh

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Well, that's a little bit you know

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That's a little bit harsh

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Well could be seen as what's disrespectful

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if I was

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an african-american

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I would be very annoyed upset frustrated

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angry with you

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and

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somebody could say

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That is racist

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And the average person and i'm just talking to you. I'm not i'm trying to be really hearing you out

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I'm not I don't have any gotcha stuff for you here. It's gonna be very easy interview

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You just did you had one big one right there. That's kind of racist. I agree. Okay, but but

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Well, so what nick said is super racist and patrick knows that yeah

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He's afraid to describe nick's words accurately because he knows that his audience can't stand it when you call a racist thing racist

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It's so woke to call racist things racist these days

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Yeah, yeah, nick was saying that the intimacy that patrick shares with his wife is an act of degeneracy

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So pbd gives nick all the opportunities to excuse his comments as youthful indiscretions that were unfortunately caught on camera

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But nick doesn't really want to apologize for what he said which leads to patrick bet david just

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Directly asking him if he believes what he said in that clip, right?

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And it was in that moment. I defended myself very strongly because they tried to use this clip and by they i'm talking about

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Ben, shapiro, cassie dillon, cabot phillips

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They think they've got it and now i'm cancelled from the movement

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So I took that and you know, of course, they're expecting you to go out and apologize

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They're expecting you to go out and say i'm i'm sorry. I shouldn't have said that but I said, you know what?

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I'm, not sorry because this is a political attack

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This is not some kind of good faith

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You know because you said the comment is racist and would I phrase it that way if I was saying it in an official public capacity?

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No, but we tend not to do those things when we think we're in private in confidence

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You kind of understand that there's some discretion there and that's not to say that i'm you know

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Thought I could get away with it, but we don't speak in a lawyerly way when we're among friends

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Do you believe that you don't believe that though?

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What that it's degenerate? Yeah, I wouldn't say it's immoral

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I don't know that I would say degenerate but I would say it's contrary to my values

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How much of are you are you saying that in that moment because you're trying to be a shock jock and you're trying to get attention

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I wasn't trying to be shock jock think about the question that was post

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Let's just back. I I want to know what you think about this

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We're in a private conversation a girl takes her phone out starts secretly recording and says

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Is having sex with a black man the same as having sex with a dog?

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Did you know she was doing that or no? I didn't know. Oh, okay. Yeah. Well listen

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Yeah, you got what is that to you? That's a setup. Nick

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I'm talking to you

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In a way as if you're my nephew or my son not in a don't take it as um, i'm this to you

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I'm not doing that at all. I'm just talking to you as I i'm i'm new to this game

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I'm a business guy. So i'm I haven't been when I hear the histories. I don't know everyone's histories

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You don't know what you're talking about. You're right. We don't know the history of everybody, but we're willing to learn

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We'll talk to everybody. We're willing to be lied to by everybody

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So the answer to patrick's question is yes. Nick does believe that people of different races having sex is degenerate

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He can try to substitute in synonyms like against my values or whatever, but that's all just rhetorical games, right?

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Nick would have expressed his racism more mysteriously if he knew that someone was recording him

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And he regrets that this boring direct racist moment was caught on camera

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Yeah

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Pbd's interview has a lot of this kind of vibe where he wants to come off like a cool old timer

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And cash in on whatever heat nick has at the moment

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Yeah

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Thus it should come as no surprise that this interview was released along with nick becoming an expert who's available for consultation

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On patrick's expert consultation website minec

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The interview ends with this plug

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I I when people said what do you think's gonna happen? I think we're gonna have a great conversation

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It was exactly what I thought it was gonna be. I thought it was gonna be great conversation

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I'm glad to hear it anytime. Appreciate you man. Thanks for having me anytime

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Uh and art and I think you are on my neck, right?

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I think you are on my neck this over people can ask you questions if i'm not mistaken

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I think we're gonna set it up now. Okay, i'm not there yet though. Fantastic. All right, so guys

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Um, we're gonna put his contact information below to get a hold of him having said that take care everybody. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye

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Hi i'm nick fuentes if you want to text me or call me or ask me a question you can find me on minec

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So minec is a website kind of like cameo but popular uh populated by right-wing media lunatic. Gotcha

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And it's run by patrick bett david. It's not a free service

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So nick shooting a commercial for this page on there for patrick to run it's part of a financial relationship that they have

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I'm, not saying it's like an exclusive contract that they have or anything like i'm not even saying that patrick's

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It's another revenue stream for nick. They have some arrangement. Yeah, for sure

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Yeah

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So patrick didn't give a single shit about what nick said or thinks he just wants to make

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Money with him and that's what this interview really was about

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Also side point minec lets you book guests for podcasts and some of their rates are insane

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Former nfl star tarell owens charges fifteen thousand dollars for a half hour, which is high, but he's a star

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He's tarell owens, yeah. Yeah patrick bett david charges

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48,000 for a half hour which just screams. I don't want to be on your podcast. That's that's a big that's just no

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Yeah, that's that's like how uh, uh

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There were a couple of bookers where it was like

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I know

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That you're trying to book me guess what now it costs a lot more because I really want to just say no

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But this is not saying no. Yeah, you know and it makes me look really fucking in demand

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Yep, that this is my rate. Yep. I actually one pays double it

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Double it and then double it again

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And if you're willing to pay that fuck me i'll do it

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But I really just want to not do it who the fuck is paying

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50,000 for patrick bett david to do a half hour on their podcast. He does so much stuff for free

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And it's worth less than that. Yeah

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He's interviewing nick forntest for fuck's sake I I mean do these people

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Just refuse to learn anything ever because treating this like your nephew is how you it's

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Okay, so a wasp

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Lays its eggs inside of your body

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And then the larvae eats you from the inside until you are dead, right?

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Like treating the wasp as your nephew is not the way to to avoid having eggs laid inside of you and being eaten inside

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Down no, it's uh, it's letting your guard down a little bit and being like hey, look i'm new to this game

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I don't know anybody i'm willing to talk to everybody like I said, it's just like yes

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You are just going to straight up be lied to yep over and over and over again because you have no

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Critical engagement. I don't care wasps wasps man. So next up we have glenn greenwald your favorite my

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fucking buddy so greenwald takes a different kind of approach than gavin or patrick bett david because

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He seems very invested in nick thinking that he's cool

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Yeah, his interview unsurprisingly begins with connecting something from nick's past to an issue that glenn has defended over the years

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And then it dives into some strong insinuations

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That the act of interviewing nick reveals what a brave guy glenn is couldn't believe that

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But I do want to spend a little bit time first on what seems to me to be the radically

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transformed trajectory of you

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As a person in our political discourse at our media ecosystem

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And i'll just share with you an anecdote

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I don't know if I ever told you this before but I think the first time when I really paid attention to you

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I think the first time when I really talked about you it was like 2020

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You had tried to board a plane

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And found that you had been placed without any due process any kind of notice on a government no-fly list

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And I was somebody who had spent, you know many years in the war on terror denouncing the no-fly list for all of its authoritarian practices

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And I think it manifested publicly, you know about why is it why is nick fuentes with no charges no process

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Prohibited from flying. He's an american citizen say more words and i'm not kidding. I was deluged

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With people in email and dm even in phone calls like major conservative figures

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And not even like the super pro establishment ones even people who are kind of on the fringes of the more anti saying

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Look, i'm warning you don't have anything to do with nick fuentes. He's bad news. Don't talk about him

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Don't believe him. There was really a very strong effort in the conservative movement to just make you disappear

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I was really surprised. I don't think I ever got pushed back like that before

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And yet here we are, you know, I guess just a few years later. Yeah, here we are. I didn't listen to sound advice

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Jesus christ. Yeah, because there's there is like a conspiratorial like oh, they're all trying to crush him or

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There's a bunch of people who recognize this dude is going to

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Fuck you up

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He's going yeah, he's going to once he gets in the door, uh start living in your house because glenn greenwald

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Can't do anything other than talk about glenn greenwald

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It's it's it was

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Insufferable, I believe you whenever we listen to him quote-unquote interview alex

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Which was just him saying things about himself and a lot of it was and then like giving alex a pause

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Like that was his question like i'm great

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Yeah, i'm great because I have the largess to talk to someone like you who everyone else thinks is dangerous to talk to

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But I get it. I get it. I'm cool. I'm very smart if you had any power you would kill me. So hopefully

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We can do this

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But you never get any actual power because I get money when we do this, but when you get power I die

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Well, it's interesting you say that because I also think that like this interview was largely

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Uh themed around glenn insisting that he's cool like, you know that the whole thing you'd probably kill me if you were

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Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, he gets it that that's just fun. That's just that is just fun. It's just fun to exterminate people

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I've been watching your work for for some time and you definitely had a kind of

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gravity

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And even like a gravitas about the charlie kirk

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Assassination and what how you had to figure out how to talk about it afterwards even taking a night off to kind of reflect

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On it that I hadn't quite seen from you before and I want to get into a little bit about why that was before we do

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just on this topic of

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The trajectory and what may be the evolution, you know, obviously, you know that if I have you on my show

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Or if anyone has you on on

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Their show they're going to hear

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You know kind of the highlights or the lowlights as it might be of nick flintes

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Like here's what he said about black people and here's what he said about jews and here's what he said about this group and that

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group in this group

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and

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Because you're on the air a lot and because some of it is kind of an ironic

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Humor that you have with with your audience, which I think most people in real life

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Is how they speak and and part of the appeal if you're doing well on the internet is the fact that you are being a real

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Person you're not presenting one fake artificial public face with a different private character like me. I think that's giving people

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In one way that's been very good for you. It's been part of your appeal

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But another way it's given people a very easy way to demonize and attack you by taking these quotes

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That can sound not just very racist but very almost like nazi like and a kind of an extermination rhetoric

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Oh, I mean it can sound that way

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But see glenn sees through it. He's not he doesn't have the woke mind virus so he can see that nick's having fun

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He's just having fun. He's shooting from the hip and sometimes he talks about exterminating people and you know what that just makes him real

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I I will tell you this. Do you know what happened to my brain while this was going on superpowers?

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While he was talking superpowers wrong claws the furthest from it while he was talking

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I imagined getting so fat just so I could slap him in the face with my boobs

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That's what I what that's what I felt in my heart. I want to gain a hundred pounds

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Just so I can have enough boob skin to slap him with it. See this is this is why you're a fucking artist

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Because your mind goes to these places that are so creative

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So

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When you're forced see that's your superpower that is my superpower find new things to do yeah

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imagination

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So yeah, um, I I was going through these uh as a way of illustrating how clear everyone has a different agenda

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Yeah, like all of these people are talking to nick and they're all foolish to do it

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Except for maybe gavin sure but like because who gives a fuck what he does. Yeah. Yeah

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Yeah

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They they're foolish to do this

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But at the same time they're doing it for very different reasons and and satisfying a need that they have

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Yeah, uh that is other than nick. Yeah, nick is exploiting them through whatever that need is

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That they're clearly projecting through these interviews. Yeah, I mean

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I think that's again. I think that's really what they just do not fundamentally grasp, right?

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Is because they're not believers

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Right, they're they're people who are exploiting believers. They don't actually understand what would make you truly believe this shit

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Right, but a believer

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will know another believer

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and

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They will look at him and compared to glenn greenwald and be like that guy

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believes what I believe or at least he believes something exactly and I honestly i'm not I want to be

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Clear that i'm not I don't want to say like he has an ideology and he has a belief or whatever because that sounds

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fairly complimentary and I don't mean it to be no and by the end of this I think

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I I think that it's

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You know, maybe less a real belief and more of a compulsion. Sure. Um and uh,

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Humoring that has gone on too far. But yeah, I I I get what you're saying

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Yeah, like sitting next to glenn greenwald

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Nick looks like someone who has a point. Yep, and glenn has a point and his point is glenn greenwald is great

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I mean sitting next to patrick bet david like

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Nick looks like he has a point. Yep, and patrick's point is

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I'm

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I I want to give you fatherly advice. I can't imagine

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still feeling like

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I I mean honestly, I can't imagine still feeling like glenn greenwald feels about himself

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If I was looking across from a person and I was like you want to kill me, right and he was like, yeah

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Well, I mean probably

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Right, I would be like, oh, okay

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Well, then now we're fighting you understand because you want to kill me and so then we're fighting you can't just be fine with that

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Nick would probably say like well, you know, we're on camera. So like I wouldn't kill you right?

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But i've already stopped you because you're trying to kill me right now

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but

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like I think maybe

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There should be special neighborhoods. See there we go. But we're already there that are closed. They never stop there though

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There's never been a okay now we're done. No, I mean he literally does say that there should be just like ethnic neighborhoods

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Voluntary segregation and stuff like that then now to glenn's face regardless of what we believe

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You are my enemy how does this not make sense to these people

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Well, I think it's that believer thing and I think that all of them really want to

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think that what nick is saying is kind of like a wink and they they want to believe that like

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true

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racist ideology and this kind of shit doesn't actually exist. Yeah, because

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Recognizing that it exists threatens to the whole game. Well, it also threatens to indict part of what they do

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Sure

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Um and they'd have to look in the mirror

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They'd have to be bad people if they were the ones who were actually racist

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And so I think that this i'm going to play a clip here of an exchange between glenn and nick

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and I think that this characterizes a fair amount of

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Like a lot of the conversations through all of these interviews. Okay, and that is like, uh, nick just saying

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flagrantly racist shit and uh the interviewer trying to like

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Ah, here's what you really mean. I hope I can

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Walk through this right? Jesus. Just as a little setup prior to this. Uh, nick had said something racist about uh,

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Black people and white people right? Uh, uh, and uh, because he's a racist. Yeah. Yeah and glenn brings up that uh,

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Kanye yay. Yeah

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Was someone that nick wanted to be president, right? And uh also white women

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Uh don't vote the way that nick wants but they are white sure you had a black man

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Who you wanted to be president right and white women who you disagree with politically?

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How is how is he going to get out of this one, right?

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There has been this kind of I would almost say consensus among people on the right

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certainly among your precinct of the right but even a little bit one's a little bit closer to

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The the mainstream you heard jd vance talking about this that on some level the kind of bugaboo right now of america

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politics

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are

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highly educated

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Metropolitan liberal white women who are just kind of the bane of everybody's existence who are the plight and plague

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On american politics. These are the people responsible for so many of the worst political trends

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Over the last 10 years not in terms of the ideas, but also how they're expressed how the dialogue and discourse

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uh

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Evolves and I know that's something that you you you've talked about

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I've heard you talk about white women in quite acrimonious ways to be generous in terms of describing that so

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What about that? What does that reflect?

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I mean, these are white women like hardcore white women probably with a long history of of white ancestry in the united states

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And yet say more words so many other people who think like you these are like the embodiment of the threats to the american way

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Of life. What's the explanation for that?

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Well, I I think in general you're sort of conflating what is abstract versus what is real white women have liberal ideas

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But they carry white genes and so white white women have eggs

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That when fertilized by white men are going to create white babies and white men and white women have been doing this for thousands of years

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They continue producing

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A race and ethnic group of people

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That look a certain way act a certain way speak a certain way and you know

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Maybe this generation or a previous generation or you know

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Some other generation might have had the wrong idea or an idea that that is contrary to my ideas

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But they still carry those genes. They're still that distinct group of people. I'm not going to say that i'm in favor of america becoming minority white

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Because one black man has the right politics and most white women have the wrong politics

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In the current year in 2025 because you know

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All things being equal and kind of left in isolation in 100 years those white women are going to ensure the continuation

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Of people that look like me and those black people are going to have

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Generation after generation of people that seem to be sort of set against us in a certain way there there seems to always be

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They're advocating on behalf of their group insofar as they're a minority and and we as whites

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Are in a sense doing that also implicitly or explicitly so

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I think maybe that's the conflation there might be liberal white women

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But they're still they're still white and i'd still think that white people should exist

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even if even if there are a lot of liberal white people right now because I you know, i'm white so

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That that's maybe because I was a libertarian for many years and to me that was kind of the big

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That was the big inflection point for me is realizing that i'm part of a group that is going extinct

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And I don't want to go extinct, you know, I want to thrive. Yeah, that's probably a

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Universal human instinct. All right, let me shift gears a little bit and ask about charlie carter. Uh, what?

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You listen to all of that and then you're like, I think that's a universal human instinct

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I mean it's you know, I mean, you know, here's here's what I think he basically said the the 14 words

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Here's what I think right this goes back to something. Uh,

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Right this goes back to something, uh that I don't know how many years ago it was but this is eating the red card

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This is what this is these people no matter how much they throw up the red card and are like, haha

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The red card he's gonna eat the fucking cart

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Sack up and do something or leave. I don't care what these white women believe because they have they're white

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They're white they can create white people. What do you not understand?

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About what I like. Yeah whiteness. Yeah, i'm a racist. I

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Am a racist. Yes, you guys are racist too. You want to make this smarter than it is?

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Yeah, but basically I like being around people who look like me because i'm scared all of your trappings

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All of your green wallediness all of your patrick bet davidness all of this is all made up

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To hide from yourself that you're just a piece of shit racist. Yeah

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I have embraced being a piece of shit racist because that wasn't okay before and you couldn't make money off it

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Now you can I am stronger than you because I have embraced my piece of shit

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Racismus and you will never be able to avoid being a shitty glenn greenwald. Probably not

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So last we have tucker. Yeah, I don't have any clips of that show pulled because it was two and a quarter hours of nothing

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It wasn't interesting. It didn't have any real revealing insights to it

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Like they're different perspectives or anything like it's not

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Unlike the other interviewers we've touched on it doesn't feel like tucker has much of a motive. Yeah

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Gavin wants nick to see jewish people as white patrick bet david wants to justify making money off nick

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Glenn greenwald wants to pat himself on the back for being the coolest boy in the room

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But tucker is just kind of hanging out with nick

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And this is because there's a fundamental difference between those other three interviewers and tucker

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The other three wanted to use nick for clicks and didn't really care about what they were platforming along the way

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They didn't realize that nick was using them and he had no interest in seeing gavin's point or thinking that glenn is one of the good

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homosexuals but tucker's different

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Tucker had nick on as an apology

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These two dudes have been fighting in a way that's been chaos in the right-wing media space

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They're both out there calling each other a fed and it's nasty for business

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Now that charlie kirk is dead it's pretty hard not to accept that nick is one of the if not the uh,

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The actual largest figures in the right wing that has a solid connection with the youth

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And if you're old ass former bow tie iraq war cheerleader tucker

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You'd be insane not to think that nick could turn a large chunk of the impressionable young conservatives against you

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Tucker had nick on so he could do brand rehabilitation with nick's audience

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Nick's doing him a favor. Yep

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Consider this nick and tucker both posted the interviews that they they did the single interview

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Yeah on their rumble channels and as of this morning when we're recording tucker's version has about 350 000 views

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And nix has about 430 000. Fuck me

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Tucker has over twice as many followers on rumble and yet the actively engaged viewer numbers are higher for nick than him. Yep

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I believe that tucker's

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Scared of nick and he should be letting him in the house is the wrong move

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But that's only if you believe that tucker doesn't actually want to be part of a white identity

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pseudo-nazi movement and he does so letting nick in it really is just like well

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You got to deal with this guy now. That's basically it it's

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It's pathetic because all of them have supplicated themselves before nick point. Yes, and to do anything

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like that

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Is to reveal that you're a waste of human you you're they had one chance and that's for all of them together to go

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Fuck you. You're just not allowed in

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Yeah, you're just not allowed in you can have your fucking shit. Go have your fun fucking shit. You're not allowed in

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Yeah, but the moment they allowed him in it's all over for them, right?

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And it's based on good instincts like he is a destructive character. He's going to fuck your shit up

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Like

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That's why people were telling greenwald not to talk to him

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That's why millie weaver was texting alex and saying don't have him on. Yep. Like these people like it's not all

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Like mockingbird media or whatever. It's some people just have an instinct to tell like this guy's bad news. It is it is like

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Because it's just what I don't I don't understand these people on a fundamental level unless you just take somebody who is like

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in the moment and incapable of learning because

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they love

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Going in places and wrecking people's shit. That's their whole fucking thing. It's fun. It's why trump is president

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They have fun going into places where people are doing fine

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Tearing up all of their shit and then letting them clean it up. Yeah, that's fun

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How does it not occur to them that they have shit that there is to be fucked up?

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And that somebody might enjoy fucking up their shit. Yep

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How and has cultivated his own like large audience probably maybe larger than yours?

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That enjoys and will only put up with him as long as he's fucking shit up. Yep

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No, and it's and it's like regard again

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It's another one of those things where it's like this is the difference between the past and the present

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In the past that idea. Oh, we have such a huge social media following is very important now that you're in the present though

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You realize that's fucking stupid. Those people aren't real if you have an engaged following of a solid number of people

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You are stronger than a million twitter followers and like if you have an engaged audience that you can weaponize

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Yep, like you're you're unstoppable

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Because they can't do that shit

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So now there's a fascinating irony in all of these interviews and that is

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That I think patrick bett david is the shallowest of any of these media figures

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But because he's unburdened by some other baggage when he's interviewing nick

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He actually manages to have the most interesting exchange with him

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He doesn't dig into any of the interesting points

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But there's a couple things that become clear from their interview that I think look really bad for nick

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Yeah, and I want to talk about them. Okay, so first

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I think that there is a really embarrassing story that nick tells about going off to college

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Uh in boston and here's that

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Convention happens. I think july 2016. I enter college at boston university in september 2016

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And this is the first time i've lived outside. Chicago. I've lived in the same place my whole life and

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It's important to impress upon you and maybe everybody like where I grew up

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It's like this pocket of america that never changed. It's a baseball town. Everybody's white

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Everybody's obsessed with baseball

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Everybody's catholic. So growing up i'm going to ccd which is like catechism class for catholics

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Everybody loves baseball. There's an annual parade where you go and eat hot dogs and play baseball

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So this is a place that is untouched

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By like I said, even though they're liberal they're not even really progressive

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It's untouched by the progressive politics by a lot of the diversity even the crime

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It's safe white picket fences take a trip down to western springs, illinois. I mean you'll see what I mean

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It's like the land that time forgot I go to college in boston totally different story. Boston's obviously super diverse

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That's a lot of young people because it's all schools all universities and they're all from asia all foreign students

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And they're all chinese. They're all from these asian countries

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And there's also it's a little dangerous there's a little criminal element and everyone on the campuses they're militant left-wing

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And that was kind of a culture shock and I kind of realized in that moment

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Most of the country looks like this now actually new york la

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Miami the big cities and most people live in the cities

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They all look like this because of immigration because of left-wing progressive politics and I kind of said

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in that moment

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my

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Slice of america that I grew up with is a dying breed. It's literally going extinct

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So nick is discussing his path towards being a white nationalist and a big moment in that story is him going to college and being

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Scared to be around so many people he didn't see as white

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I know that nick's a big boy media figure and all that but it's also important to remember that he's describing a moment from when

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He was a scared 18 year old living away from home for the first time

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When he got out into the world and discovered that it wasn't all like his mom's bosom he was supposed to grow up

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This is a challenge of individuation where a child has to break free from the nest

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Not everyone does this by going off to college, but it's a common story in this country that this is where that test comes

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It's supposed to be a kind of scary thing to go to college because you're not living with your parents anymore

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And in theory, it's the first time in your life that you're truly responsible for yourself

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It's scary that your mom's bosom isn't the whole world and you can't derive the comfort of home from far off places in the world

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But the lesson you're supposed to learn is that that's okay

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You're going to be okay and all the stuff out there in the real world isn't as scary as you think it is at first

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You you start to realize you can make a home you can

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Make peace and find things there's uh that in the in jugless adams book the life the universe and everything

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Which is my favorite one of my favorites, uh

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The the central protagonist or antagonist if you will is uh the planet cricket

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Uh, and what happened was a couple of guys?

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uh, right are on this planet cricket and it's

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Shrouded the entire planet in a cloud. So everybody looks up and there's nothing up there

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So there's no even sky to think of everybody's done that and these two guys build a spaceship

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And they get out past it and they see the universe and they go home they go home and they say it's all gotta go

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And so then they try and destroy the entire universe right like that is that is what we're dealing with

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Yeah, we are dealing with somebody who gets outside of his safe little cloud and goes instead of engaging with this

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I have to kill all of it. My security blanket has been taken away and and I refuse to accept that

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Yep

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Instead of maturing through this challenge of life

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Nick got mad and he demanded that everywhere in the world should be the same as his mom's bosom

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His hometown is 95 white and now he's in a diverse city like boston

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So he thinks that the world should coddle him and cater to his need for there to be 95 white people around him

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So he feels safe

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He's mad that the world doesn't make him feel as safe as his childhood home did and because he has the validation of tons of

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Racists online and he makes a bunch of money off it. There's no reason for him to ever feel the need to change this

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I don't want to infantilize nick or anything

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But this is baby stuff and if he wants to be taken seriously as a mature racist

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He needs a better backstory than this. That's what i'm saying. That's why I would be so much better at this god

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I wish I was a nazi. Yeah, this is this is the kind of stuff that like honestly

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Adults shouldn't be humoring this no and like this should be like okay go to therapy

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Talk to somebody get a friend dickweed every single one of these people are doing everything the exact wrong way

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I'm gonna be your uncle be a little less racist. Like that's not even good advice career wise career wise be super racist

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That's good advice to to hook and nick fuentes, right?

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So if you wanted to be a good uncle with like good life advice

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It would be don't be any of what you are right now. No guard rails be anything else. Yeah

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Yeah, like particularly, uh patrick bett david is like don't say the n-word

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I mean, that's good advice for everyone but nick exactly. Yeah, exactly

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So the second thing that becomes painfully clear in the patrick bett david interview is that nick has based a lot of his political

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direction on rejection

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This isn't to say that he doesn't have some sincerely held and intellectually backed up arguments and talking points

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But i'm saying that you know as he tells the story of his path to hating jewish people

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It becomes kind of obvious that a bunch of it is spite. Yeah, for instance listen to this clip

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You start your show america first you're pro trump. You're supportive of trump. Uh, you're you're going through what you're going through

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Give me a couple inflection points where you start kind of flipping and you're no longer pro israel

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What were some of those events? Was it a book? Was it a conversation? Was it things you studied? What was that like?

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Well, the biggest thing, uh is that I met this girl named cassie dillon she was a fellow at daily wire

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She now goes by cassie akiva

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So she was in school around the same time

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She was in western massachusetts studying and we met because we ran in the same college republican circles

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And she's the one that got me the show at rsbn right side broadcasting network

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Yes, that's where she's still with daily wire

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Yeah, she was there. She left and then she came back. Okay

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Um, and so, you know, I met her and at that time she was a christian

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She converted to judaism. She married a jewish guy and converted

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When I met her she was a christian or she had been raised christian and we became very good friends

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You know

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We went to the christmas party and we hung out and I went on her show and she got me my show

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Nothing, nothing like a attractiveness just a friendship

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It might have been going in that direction, but no it never nothing like that materialized. So yeah, we were just friends and

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Um, I started to notice something was up

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Because trump's doctrine was america first and that was so attractive to me. He said

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We will no longer be misled by the siren song of globalism

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It's going to be americanism not globalism and that really sunk into me

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And i'll never forget this was in december 2016. This is what did it for me?

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And I wrote an article about it on my blog. I had a blog at that time

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And I I noticed that obama who was still the president during the lame duck period

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He told our ambassador to the united nations not to veto a resolution condemning the west bank settlements

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So there's a resolution saying israel settlements in the west bank are illegal

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Normally the united states vetoes that on behalf of israel to protect them but obama instructed our ambassador to abstain

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and so the

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resolution went through

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And everybody on the right wing said obama's an anti-semite. He hates jews because he did that and I said, wait a second

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I went through and I did the research and I said ever since 1967

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During the six-day war when israel occupied the west bank and gaza strip

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It has been the official u.s policy that we do not support the civilian settlements

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That's technically illegal under international law

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I said so all obama did was really uphold the same policy that every president did

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Republican and democrat yet. They're calling him a jew hater. I said, I don't think obama hates jews

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Obama's supported by the jewish left people like sololinski mentored him or influenced him

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so I don't think he hates jews, I think that he he's just

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carrying out our policy

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and so I said how is that any different than when

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Let's say a conservative critiques blm. They get called the racist you critique feminism

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You could call the sexist where you were you working at that time. Were you working anywhere? You're independent. I was independent

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Okay, so you're not with anybody while you're writing this right? So you're free to write and say whatever you want. Okay, continue

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Yeah, so I was just on my own blog good point. So I I wrote that out

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I said this is hypocritical I said and and this is something that crops up over and over is this double standard when it comes to

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Anti-semitism when it comes to israel and I called this out and cassie dylan who was my friend

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I would raise this issue with her and I would criticize ben shapiro very harshly. He was very anti-trump at that time

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And I said, I think ben shapiro is israel first and I think that when trump says in his inaugural it's america first

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Why is it that israel gets all this foreign aid? They're the number one recipient for 50 years. They're not a poor country

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Why is it that much largess and so I would I would press her on this and other related questions

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And eventually she threw arms up and I think it was march

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2017

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And she said we are no longer in the same movement

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She said you are anti-israel the way you're going about this is anti-semitic. This is casey

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This is yeah cassie dylan cassie. She goes you you are

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You're attacking shapiro and in an anti-semitic way. I don't like your tone

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She said and I I really want nothing to do with you anymore

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Nick had a crush on this woman

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She rightly assessed that his criticisms of israel were an outlet for an anti-semitic belief system and she cut him out of her life

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This is what nick's mind goes to first when he's talking about his evolution as an anti-israel person

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Again, I don't want to infantilize this guy

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But any adult should listen to that story and recognize that this was a kid who had feelings for someone that probably weren't requited

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He was weird and she told him to get lost

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This is another rite of passage. That's part of maturing into a full-on adult and when nick hits these crossroads

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He refuses to engage with the lessons that he should be learning and he instead he just becomes

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Kind of an obsessive creep and blame somebody else. I mean, it's it's

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fairly, uh

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Endemic in the way that he uh in the people he hangs out with I would say that that kind of philosophy

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So even in this like, uh interview nick basically just cops to how this rejection made him feel angry

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Wow and led to him covering israel more great. So what what's the first emotion you're getting you're by yourself?

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She tells you this everybody gets a block

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What is it? Is it anger? Is it resentment? Is it i'm gonna get him is it vengeance?

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What's the first emotion you're feeling I was stunned. I was honestly just shocked because

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You know the idea on the right wing is we're the marketplace of ideas

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And so nothing's off limits and you're supposed to bring your best ideas and you debate them out

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That's the whole program and so to get such a cold and frosty response. It was actually a little disturbing because it's like

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You know, I I slept over at her sister's apartment. I went to her christmas party

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We hung out we disagree on this issue, which by the way isn't even an american issue

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It's not like we had a falling out because I became some communist or anything to do with america

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It's because I didn't support a foreign country and I said, you know, even if we disagree on the issue

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We can't even talk to each other or be friends personally forget about even professionally working together

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I was stunned at how she turned into like there was like this transformation

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And and then I got angry

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And I would talk about this on my show

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I would I would kind of

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Go on the show and it it made me lean into the issue because I said clearly something is here

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Like it's being treated differently than other issues

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Instead of moving along and letting it go

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Recognizing that not all relationships are meant to last and not all relationships can be the type of relationship you want them to be

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Nick clearly just decided to obsess about this this woman

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This issue and he goes on to blame her for all kinds of attacks and attempted cancellations

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Even in this interview with petrick bett david years later

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And then it was a couple months later that the first hit piece ever was written about me by media matters

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and I strongly believe and I

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I believe there was evidence for this at one point that she sent in a clip from my show

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To media matters for america left-wing organization

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Huh, so so wow, what is the worst thing you've said what at that time? What is the worst thing you've said have you said careful

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Where do you want to go? Where do you want to start?

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I don't know if you're doing it because

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You're trying to get under people's skin if you fully believe it or you're trolling

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I don't know could be any of those things only you know what you're doing at that time when you're making certain comments

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But what is the most?

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Vile extreme thing that some people may say you've said up until that point that's causing

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Cassie to message media matters and others saying you have to see what this guy's saying

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Up to that point and this was the subject of the article. I was talking about the muslim ban

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And I said the the trump muslim travel ban

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I said the first amendment does not apply to radical muslims. I said you don't have a first amendment right to preach wahhabist

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Salafist ideology which is that's the the theology of isis. So you're defending trump. Yes

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Okay, that's the worst thing you've said that was the word that was the subject of the article that was the worst

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So you've not said so why would she be against that though? She was in favor of that

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So then what is she forwarding to media matters for them to write because she knew?

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That because it's a left-wing organization that they would use that to try to get me cancelled or banned

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Okay, and you know this for a fact that she emailed it

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I don't want to put anything, you know for a fact that she's the one that reached out to me

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I heard it second hand so I don't know what we don't know for a fact. We're just saying you're speculating

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Pbd asking the softest follow-up question probably because he was actually confused by the story that he's being told

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Yeah, this is a crazy story

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If what i've asked you is the question that I asked you maybe i've lost my mind and so that follow-up ends up revealing

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That nick doesn't actually know if this gal sent that shit to media matters

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It's all just part of a grievance story that he has about a girl who chose judaism over him like this is crazy

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yeah, I

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You know, here's what I said

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As an aficionado of a little thing called human history

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I do not like exactly how much of it has been affected entirely because some asshole got rejected by some lady

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And that was it and that's it. And now the whole human race has to be different a uh, a um,

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A difficulty in processing these these uh events in life. Jesus has caused way more problems

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Than it should and I think that like honestly, I don't I don't think that patrick bet. David had any

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Interest in like doing a hard-hitting interview. No, but by fumbling around he's like

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Allowing nick to say these things that an adult observer should be like you're a whiny little baby, aren't you or or?

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Someone a long time ago should have been like do you need to talk like can I can I help you through this?

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Right or like he should have a buddy who buys him a drink and is like let blow off some steam, dude

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Okay, so if I understand correctly because this woman rejected you you uh hate the jews more

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Sir, am I understanding that correctly? Look, there's a couple of other steps along the way

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But it's certainly the first thing I bring up when patrick bet david's asking me feels like that was your that you chose to bring

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It up. I didn't I didn't choose like oh it is this because you got spurned by a woman?

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And I hate I hate to like laugh or muck because like these are normal things that people go through and they hurt

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You're supposed to yes. Yeah hurt is good moving out of your home is threatening and scary and and it's a it's a process of

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acclimating to the world outside

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Getting rejected by someone you really like and think that you have a ton of shit in common with hurts

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Because it questions your sense of yourself. Are you good enough?

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You have to grow through those things and they're very very hard and I don't want to mock people who experience them and and and

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Deal with them healthily. Sure. Nick clearly has not right

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But yep, the rejection that nick, uh suffered is clearly two-pronged

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There's part of it that has to do with this woman

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But there's another part and it has to do with ben shapiro not wanting to be his friend

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So in uh in december some months before I put out a tweet on twitter and I had about a thousand followers on twitter

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A thousand think of that's not a big account and I tweeted I said if you put china over

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America you should go to china if you put mexico over america

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You should go to mexico. You see where this is going. I said if you put israel over america, you should go live in israel

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Shapiro quote tweeted that and said accusing jews of dual loyalty is the surest sign that you're an anti-semite

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A thousand followers. Why would you retweet that?

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Someone must have sent it to him

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Does he know anything about you at the time?

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Like are you a formidable name in a circle that he would know about you?

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He had been tipped off about me because cassie dylan had filmed this

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Debate I did on campus. She live streamed it on twitter and he saw it and she texted him

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And said you got to take this guy under your wing. He's unbelievable. He's the next big thing

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He's little trumpy she goes because they hated trump at that time. Who was the candidate? I know they were the santas 2020

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uh, but who were they 2024 but

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Who were they during that time and 16 they were for rubio?

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Cruz oh cruz cruz was back at that time. I remember that. Okay

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So she says you got to go because he's a little bit trumpy and then what's his response to her?

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He said i'll take a look at him. I'll take a look and she told you that so she said to you

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I told ben he should and he said to take a look at she sent me the screenshot. Yeah. Oh wow

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Okay

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So this woman that he had a crush on forwarded his stuff to ben shapiro who looked at it and didn't want anything to do

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with nick

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On multiple occasions throughout these interviews nick talks about how shapiro was going to take him under his wing

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He uses that language, but then he decided that nick was an anti-semite

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It clearly really hurt him and that makes sense

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In the same way that going off to college and having a romantic interest reject you those are growing experiences in life that suck

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So is professional failure

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But all of these things are a part of life and instead of encountering these things and rising to the challenges they represent

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Nick just got angry and took to whining about how all these sucky life experiences just happened to him because of the jews

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These inflection points that he's telling patrick bat david about make total sense

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It's just that nick refuses to accept that he had some growing up to do after he put on a maga hat at like age

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17

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Growing up is for soy boys and cucks because accepting the responsibility and the possibility that the world is bigger than what makes you comfortable

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is woke bullshit

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Nick didn't grow through these life changes and instead he just became an ideologue against the group that he's chosen to blame for all of it

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yeah, and uh

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That's kind of clear from this press tour. Yeah, I mean it sucks. It sucks that point of view

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on for me personally it sucks because

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If I am responsible for my failures

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Then I am also responsible for my success

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If i'm not responsible for failure, then i'm not responsible for success

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so all of these people have this idea that I am not responsible for what's going on around me and then it's

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Like who gives a shit if you're not responsible then fuck you. Mm-hmm who gives a shit what you're doing, you know, right?

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It sucks like if the jews have the power that nick imagines them to have

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In his weird fantasies. Yeah, guess what all your money is there because of the jews

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Yeah, they've allowed you to become this popular so relaxed you have no you have no free will over

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Whatever this shit is that you're you're engaged in. Yep

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Yeah, it's it's a game. It's a comical farce, but I do think that the difference between

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Nick and a lot of these

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grifty fucks sure

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is

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He's hurt. Yeah

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He has this pain. Yeah that happened in a developmental time in his life

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That has become this and I think that when we talk about him being an ideologue and we talk about him having like

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principles and an ideology I think it's because of this sure, I think it's more like

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he has

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That whatever this pain is sure has become the outlet is just hate. Yeah and all this shit

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and anti-semitism and racism and white identity

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And for a lot of other people it's a costume that they wear but for him

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I I think he would actually need

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help to stop

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uh, I mean, I don't know, you know, like, uh,

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Could you have helped the bta btk killer to someone could have at some point, you know what i'm saying?

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Probably i'm not i'm not saying uh, uh that it's impossible. I'm just saying when yeah, you know

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It'd have to be early when was help or because I think we're past help

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Yeah, no sure for sure and he's a piece of shit and I don't give a fuck about him

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I like I said, I don't want to infantilize him

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No, but like it's embarrassing to hear adults like patrick bed david

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listen to this guy tell this story and not like have the response of like

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The fuck's wrong with you go to college

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Have have some tough experiences

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Take a couple, uh bumps, you know, like you're gonna that's what's gonna happen in life

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You can't be fucking comfortable around white people all the fucking time and expect the world to just exist like that

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You the world doesn't conform to your nazi fantasies and trying to force it to

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has created

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The like the way people respond to nick

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Is a function of him wanting the world to all be his 95%

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Uh white hometown, yeah

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They're reacting to what he's putting into the world. Yep

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anyway, I

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They just they're just too dumb

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They're just all too dumb and it's like at a certain point fuentes isn't responsible for his failures or successes

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These people are creating him out of fucking thin air. It's it's a large constellation. It's these people. It's uh,

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You know the online spaces that enabled and and fostered this early on yeah

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I mean ben shapiro when he only has a thousand followers, you know

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There's a there's a chance at every step of the way, but these people created him out of all of this bullshit. Yep wild

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Yep, and now they're gonna be eaten by it probably

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Because that is the way of life. I don't know. I what else is there to say the young eat the old

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We're all gonna die dan. Yeah, anyway

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The biggest irony here I think is that at this point

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Nick stands to lose way more by being on tucker's show than tucker does from having nick on

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Tucker could interview gerbils and it would be like a barely it would barely matter

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Yeah, yeah, totally but nick's audience has just listened to nick go on a crusade against tucker calling him a cia agent

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And all this shit

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It's a little jarring to go from that to buddying up with him in a matter of weeks

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And I wouldn't be too surprised if some of the groipers don't trust the decision of going on tucker's show and being friends with him

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Yeah, like it it's a play on tucker's part to smooth things out with nick's audience

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Yeah, but ironically it may alienate a fair amount of nick's audience from nick

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Yeah, no and I I mean that's I suppose that'll be

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You know, that'll be a quarterback. That'll be a monday morning quarterback kind of situation, you know

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like that is a that's a risk but also

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The audience is huge. So is it a risk you got to take we'll see how it plays out

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It's a it's such a tough choice if i'm if you're him. Yeah, that's a tough choice

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Well, everybody made the right and wrong choice simultaneously

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And nothing's real and who cares exactly

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Yeah, there won't be consequences for this in real terms because a month from now this will not exist

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It will be the next thing. Yeah, and the problem with it is that nick fuentes will continue to exist

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Yes, these people are not

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Erasing him they are creating a situation where what happens today doesn't matter. He will still be there next month

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And that's fucked up for them. Yeah, and I think I think that it's a function largely of adults not

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Doing what they need to do. Yep, uh, which is not the humor the story of america

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Yeah adults not doing what they needed to do. Yeah

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not uh

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not just

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Saying stop it. I mean it's it's hard to it's hard to think of anything more

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impotent than back in the day when people were like

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Surely there were adults coming. Mm-hmm. Yep brutal

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So, um, we come to the end of this and it's uh, you know

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Obviously I set out to do an episode about tucker and nick's interview zero tucker and nick

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Yeah

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Because it's the least interesting part of this entire thing

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And granted these other interviews happened over the last like span of weeks, but I do think that the headline event is

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Nick and tucker doing a friendly interview. Yeah after they've been trying to destroy each other, right?

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um

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it's just the the it's a it's a

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It's a comic who has a great set and a horrible closer that's how I feel about yeah, but it's not even a good set

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No, it's just disappointing it's an anti-climax

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Yeah, it's it's somebody who's already successful getting more success than not earning it. Hmm

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so, uh

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Again, alejandro. I'm really sorry. Uh, you had to listen to nick's voice

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I mean in a way, I think everybody can be truly grateful that we

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Didn't get to hear the two most annoying voices in our cadre together

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Yeah, I did. There was a part of me that thought like this will definitely get the x gene going

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So annoying to hear the two of them just one of their voices is fucking annoying. I thought if I played them

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We would know for sure. You have superpowers

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Yeah, if nick laughed at the same time as tucker carlson laughing I may develop super that may be what does it right?

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But also we could clearly say that if it didn't then you don't have any right, right?

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So or so that means the powers don't exist at all much like me and my coat, right?

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The will they won't they of your superpowers it's best if we leave we gotta leave it in the air

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Yeah to to solve that problem would uh would have far-ranging consequences. Yeah

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So we'll uh, we'll be back with another episode about some motor dumb bullshit. But uh until then we have a website

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We do at knowledgefight.com. Yep. We'll be back. But until then i'm neo i'm leo i'm dzx clark. I am the mysterious professor

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And now here comes the sex robot andy in kansas you're on the air. Thanks for holding

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