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Morning.

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Dan and Jordan. Knowledge Fight.

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Riddle her, riddle her, riddle her.

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Ah, need, I need money.

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Riddle her, riddle her, riddle her.

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Andy and Kansas. Andy and, Andy and,

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Stop it. Andy and, Andy and, Andy and,

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Andy and, Andy and, Andy and,

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It's time to pray.

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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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Knowledge Fight.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

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knowledgefight.com.

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Yeah, yeah, I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around,

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worship at the altar of Selene,

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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh, indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan. Dan.

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Jordan. Quick question for ya.

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What's up?

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What's your bright spot today, buddy?

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Why don't you go first?

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My bright spot, Dan, is I just recently finished this book,

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just yesterday, called King of Kings.

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Okay.

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And it's really, really good, it's,

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It's about Jesus?

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No, it's about the Iranian Revolution.

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And Ayatollah Khomeini, and the Shah,

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and all the big players, you know, the CIA,

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if you've ever heard of them.

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Mm-hmm.

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All of that.

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Wasn't Chris Webber the King of Kings?

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Do you mean the Sacramento King of Kings?

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Yeah, wasn't that one of his nicknames?

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Was that one of his nicknames?

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I thought it was.

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That'd be fun.

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All right, sorry.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, it's basically

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the same level of importance.

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But it's really interesting, and it's really great,

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and I liked it, and it is an exhaustive listing

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of how everybody involved in every possible way was stupid.

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Except for Khomeini, who was like, invited to take over.

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It was wild.

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It's wild if you read it.

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But here's one of the things that it reminded me of.

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That scene in Half Baked?

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Fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, you're cool.

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No, but that one's great, that one's great.

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No, it's that all of these books are written

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from like this main character point of view, right?

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And at no point in time is anybody like,

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okay, well if we wrote like 40,000 of these books

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about the people who are doing the rioting,

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and we could've just been like,

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oh, well instead we fed them.

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Like it never occurred to any of these people to be like,

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well why don't we just feed people for a while

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and then we'll work this shit out.

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Sure.

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It's amazing.

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It's amazing.

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That is a thought that gets lost in the shuffle.

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Never considered.

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Yeah.

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Never considered.

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I think that it's time to create a new political party,

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and that is just bullying people into feeding everyone.

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I genuinely, here's what I think,

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and this is what I was thinking about.

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The thing about feeding people

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is that if you want to feed everybody,

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along the way you will wind up

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having to solve every major political problem we have

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to get there.

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It ends up touching a lot of other ones.

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Yeah.

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That is true.

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And that's just a concrete fundamental thing

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that you can do, is just give people food.

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All you have to do is feed people,

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and somehow it's like if you want to do that,

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you have to fundamentally restructure

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the entire United States.

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And that teaches you a lot.

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Yeah, it does.

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Well, I'm glad you enjoyed this book about Chris Webber.

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It was great.

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Webber had a good career, a lot of injuries,

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but you know, what are you gonna do?

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Yeah.

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What's your rights, Bob?

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My parents are in town visiting,

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so we've been having a nice time.

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Went to dinner.

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Gonna go see a state park or something.

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Nice, I like it.

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Yeah, it's a nice time, you know?

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Hey, families around.

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Can't see Chris Webber anymore.

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No.

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I've been sassing them a lot

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about how they're in the big city,

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because they live in Kansas City,

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and that's not a small town.

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It's not a small town.

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But it's fun.

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It's fun to pretend that they're Kansas City hicks

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coming to the big city.

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I don't know if, I think it works.

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Maybe it doesn't deserve the moniker city,

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but you know, what are you gonna do?

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Kansas Town doesn't work as well.

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Kansas City is big.

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You underrate it.

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It's a city for sure.

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All right, all right.

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I think, yeah.

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Well, they got a football team.

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Yep, they do.

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But so does Green Bay,

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and that doesn't really count as a city.

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And baseball.

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Green Bay doesn't have a professional baseball team.

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That is true.

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That changes everything.

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Kansas City's got it all.

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Probably a soccer team, who knows?

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Does it have a restaurant by Alex Guernicelli?

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Yeah.

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Oh, okay.

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Well, then I guess it does have it all.

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I could say it does prove me wrong.

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All right, I can't.

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So Jordan, today we had an episode to go over.

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Interesting.

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We're gonna be talking about a little bit

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of September 16th, 2025.

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And that's, you know, Alex was out of studio.

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He was poking around, having a good time,

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out there on the road, talking to Ed Martin up in DC.

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All right, yep.

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Doing some other business.

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Trying to get it done.

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And he comes back to the studio on the 16th.

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And, you know, it's just bad.

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It's just real bad.

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It's just bad.

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And we'll talk a little bit about it,

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but first, let's take a little moment

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to say hello to some new wonks.

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Ooh, that's a great idea.

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So first, Dan's playing Nick and Ack paddywhack

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with St. Celine the Kwitsatz Hattercat.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much!

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Thank you!

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Next, sorry to my beautiful wife Pernila

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for breaking my toe and then listening

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to Knowledge Fight continuously on our honeymoon.

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Also, hello Alexander, from your loving father

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who didn't name you after Alex Jones.

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Thank you so much, you're now policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much!

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Thank you!

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And Caitlin, hippie pappy bethasususususus.

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Many happy returns from Brad and Batman.

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You guys, does Alex know that shrimp are bugs?

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Thank you so much, Jonah, a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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And we have a second grader in the mix, Jordan.

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So thank you so much to,

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I was supposed to have this for Valentine's Day,

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but I'm the slacker, not Dan and Jordan.

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So happy Valentine's Day birthday and anniversary, Devin.

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Thank you for being amazing to our rapture princesses

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and the emotional sport pelican to Mr. Roper.

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Thank you for introducing me to this podcast

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and for not losing your mind,

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even when you binge the entire back catalog.

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Thank you so much, Jonah, a technical grad.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars, go home to your mother

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and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

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He's a loser, little, little titty baby.

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I don't want to hate black people.

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I renounce Jesus Christ.

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I like to imagine that that was from you,

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but then I realize your wife has never back,

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brought us to the back catalog.

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No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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And it would be funny if she introduced you

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to the show that you do.

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It would be difficult for that to occur.

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But I mean, it would have temporal implications, I think.

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Yeah, for sure.

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So obviously the thing that is taken over

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most of the media's attention at this point

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is Charlie Kirk being killed.

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And the ongoing attempt to demonize people based on it.

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Everybody's doing great.

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Yeah, so good.

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Yeah.

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I thought one sign of how deeply fucked up the world is,

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is that JD Vance hosted a bit of Charlie Kirk's show

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after he died.

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And you know,

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I think that there's a line between tribute

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and inappropriate.

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And when the vice president of the United States

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is hosting your podcast.

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Here's what I love.

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Here's what I love about this is that

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quite the opposite, I believe,

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of what everybody has been trying to do.

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It has been made crystal clear

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that no one gives a fuck about Charlie Kirk.

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No one gave a shit about Charlie Kirk.

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This is purely for whatever everybody could use it for.

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It's dangerously opportunistic.

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It is hilarious.

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Man.

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I mean, it's sad.

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What we come down to all the time

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is like the stuff that we see these people do

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and that we witnessed by virtue of doing this show

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is fucking hilarious in a script.

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And it is not in the real world.

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In the real world, it's scary as hell.

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Yeah, there were a lot of things in King of Kings

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that were very funny,

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but only because we are now in the future.

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Yeah, if they're not happening

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and people aren't heard by them,

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it is kind of funny the idea that the vice president

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is hosting a shitheads podcast

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because he got killed.

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Ah, it's, it's, it's,

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how do you even properly convey the like,

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not give a shit about this human being?

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Like if I'm, the person that I would feel worst for

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would be a Charlie Kirk who had tried to Tom Sawyer

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his own funeral and saw all of this happen and go,

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fuck, no one cared about me at all.

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I'm very useful right now.

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I did not exist.

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For one awful reason.

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Yup.

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You know, I was trying to think of an analog even,

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and I couldn't come up with,

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like if Terry Gross got murdered

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and then Kamala Harris hosted fresh air.

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It's only possible.

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Like what is, what is,

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It's only possible in a murder of crows, you know?

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Like only these, only these beasts in specific

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would even be capable of doing something like this.

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I, I, I'm, I'm just, I thought that was really funny

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and shocking and a sign of like

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how deteriorated expectations are.

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Yeah.

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The vice president should not be doing this.

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But whatever we think about, you know,

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left or right or anyone's political stuff,

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like that's not, that's unbecoming.

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Yeah.

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Well, and I think also it,

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it points to the viewpoint he has of himself,

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which is equal to the one that we all have,

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which is that he's not a real person.

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You know, like you're not,

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I understand that you're the vice president,

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but you're not real.

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You don't matter.

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You're a meaningless vestige.

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So of course, go ahead and host this podcast.

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You're, you're a, you're a thing.

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You're an idea.

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Right?

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Can you imagine Joe Biden in the middle of fucking

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Obama's presidency while they're murdering bin Laden,

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just being like, hey,

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also I'm going to host this show real quick.

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What?

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Yeah. I'm gonna, I'm gonna host WTF.

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What?

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What?

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What?

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That doesn't even track because there's,

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No, it's not even the same.

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There's no left wing Charlie Kirk.

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Nope. There's nothing like him.

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I guess maybe some streamer or something like that.

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Like Hassan gets killed and then Biden steps in on his show.

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What a weird world.

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What a weird world.

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Crazy.

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Anyway, everything's a mess.

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Yep.

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So Alex is back and he's talking,

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talking about how this was, this was Antifa.

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Sure.

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Antifa done did this.

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Why not?

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Thank you for joining us for another historic,

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extremely important broadcast.

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Remember you are the Paul Revere's.

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No matter where you live in the world

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or what color you are,

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you have a red blood and God made you,

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you can resonate with the truth,

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or you can tune into the demonic channel and serve evil.

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As for me and my house, we choose God.

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It doesn't mean I'm perfect.

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Doesn't mean I have all the answers.

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Doesn't mean I'm not a fallen creature.

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Doesn't mean I don't have my struggles.

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But at the end of the day,

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I choose God and I choose the truth.

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And it's that decision that opens the door

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for Christ to come into our hearts

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and daily expel the temptations of the evil one

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and the system that many of our fellow humans

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have partially or completely fallen to wickedness.

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This is a demonic battle that we are facing.

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All right.

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The bottom line is this.

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Charlie Kirk's execution last Wednesday

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in front of the world is a shot heard around the world.

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It is a thousand times more powerful

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than the sad death of George Floyd

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because it was deliberate and it was done through hate

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and it was done by a system of open mind control

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created by the CIA and MI6

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that is the trans slash Antifa movement.

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So I guess trans and Antifa are the same thing now,

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which feels like sloppy messaging on Alex's part.

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But to be fair,

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he doesn't really have any reason to be precise.

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He's created a show where everything he likes is godly

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and everything he doesn't like is demonic.

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So everything blurs together and who gives a shit?

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Yeah.

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Since we last recorded,

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there've been some developments on the Kirk killing story

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and each step along the way,

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the folks on Alex's side of the fence have been desperate

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to try to find a way to blame trans people for the shooting.

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Sure.

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The first attempt was just to say

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that the shooter was probably trans themselves

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because they like to pretend

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that there's a giant trans terrorism problem

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and the people debating Kirk when he got shot,

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the guy who was debating him was discussing

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how Kirk is part of pushing a hysteria around this issue.

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Sure, so they're going to push a hysteria around it.

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Yeah.

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When the shooter was arrested

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and it turned out he was a cis white man,

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there were some other attempts to turn this

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into the kind of story they wanted it to be,

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ultimately landing on focusing on the shooter's roommate,

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who's allegedly a trans woman,

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who he may have been in a relationship of some sort with.

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Great.

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As far as information that I've been able to see so far,

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there's no evidence that this person

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had any foreknowledge of the shooter's plans.

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And in fact, there's some strong indications

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that when they learned what he was doing,

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they were shocked and upset.

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The FBI has said that they're cooperating

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with the investigation.

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So from my perspective,

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I don't even think that naming this person

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is appropriate right now

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because I don't think they did anything wrong.

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Nope.

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It's clear though that this story is now like,

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this is what this is going to be about.

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The shooter's politics are a jumbled mess

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and he's just a white guy from a Trump-supporting family,

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so there's not a lot for someone like Alex to work with.

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But it appears that he may have been in a relationship

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with a trans woman,

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so the guilt for the shooting

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is going to be transferred onto her no matter what.

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Yeah.

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And that's bullshit.

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No, I think we're all doing great.

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I think everybody is just really crushing it.

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You know, it was like,

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can you imagine this reaction

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if from any of these corporations

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to somebody on Fox News talking shit about George Floyd,

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like the day it happened?

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Do you remember some of the things

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that they said about that person on TV for 24 hours

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and then 24 more hours and then over and over and over again?

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And now it is literally like,

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hey guys, maybe stop screaming, let's go kill each other.

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You're fired!

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Like it is insane.

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It's insane.

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Yeah.

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There does seem to be a lot of cancel culture going around

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now that seem to be the worst thing in the world before.

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But oh well.

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Yep.

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Perpetrated by corporations

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who have our best interests in mind.

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Perpetrated or enabled.

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Yeah.

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Like, you know, whether or not,

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like where the ball starts rolling is,

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that's a debatable question,

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but they're allowing that ball to roll for sure.

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Better believe it.

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So look, everything's fucked.

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Yep.

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And Alex has determined that there is a group

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that planned this.

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And he has all the evidence and all the discord messages.

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All right, okay.

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It of course is now confirmed that he is the shooter,

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confessed to it, wrote manifestos on it,

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huge discord chats with more than 20 people

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encouraging him, six people the day before in the town alone

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who are trans supporters or trans said,

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he'll be dead tomorrow, just watch.

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They went online after he was killed Wednesday

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and celebrated and said, see, I told you he'd be dead.

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Alex is lying about these discord messages

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that have been released.

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There's no messages that have shown premeditation

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or planning of the attack.

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All of the evidence that's out involves messages

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from after the attack.

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One chat where the shooter confesses to his friends

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and another where he's joking around

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about how a doppelganger is trying to set him up.

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Law enforcement has said that they want to track down

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the members of these chats, which is about 20 people.

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Not because there's advanced knowledge of the murder,

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but because these people would be close to the shooter

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and possibly able to provide some insight

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into his motives.

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Bottom line, Alex is just lying and making things up

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because it's way easier than having to prove something.

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And none of his ding dong septuagenarian audience

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knows what discord is.

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So he can just say it's all on the discord.

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And great, it's like the white papers.

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It is a fundamental disadvantage to even give a shit

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about what actually happened.

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Like you're in the space where giving a shit

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about what happened is the absolute furthest thing

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from your mind.

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It's how can I make this as much as possible?

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Yeah, and that's, you know, we, it's difficult to explain,

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but like it feels like we're in a situation

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where Alex has gone from like he would play defense

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about shit and make shit up.

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And it was a pretty aggressive kind of defense.

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And now he's playing offense.

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And you can't play defense against his offense

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without playing the same game that he's playing.

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You surrender your ability to care

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about what's actually happening

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in order to play a defense against this.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And it's, I don't quite know how to articulate it,

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but it feels like, it feels like it's a trap.

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Yeah, I mean, what we're watching is all of these people

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dig gold out of Charlie Kirk's fucking coffin.

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They're just digging as much gold out of there

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and trying to suck as much money

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out of his corpse as possible.

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And then you have to pretend to play a game

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where they're like, oh, isn't it terrible

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what happened to them?

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The game that we're playing is you guys

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are getting money from this.

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That's what it is.

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You guys are getting money and you are pushing

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like hate a lot further than you were probably able to

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last week.

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Yep.

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There's the palpable demonization you're able to justify

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based on the stories you're telling about this.

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Yeah.

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And yeah, I just don't know what to do.

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I mean, until people are more uncomfortable

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with digging gold out of a corpse

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than they are with saying, fuck that guy,

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I don't think what we're gonna do is anything different.

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It's an imbalance.

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Yep.

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So Alex touches on the news of this roommate

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slash possible partner of the shooter.

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And you have the eyewitnesses and the neighbors of him

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with his trans boyfriend,

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both of them dressing like clown creatures,

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other gimp like creatures in the house,

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the town reportedly completely infested.

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This is what's going on in the elementary,

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middle schools and high schools.

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This is the type of sick system that they're setting up.

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Remember the CIA in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s,

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over 30,000 children in West Germany

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given to convicted pedophiles to quote,

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create a new family, a new culture.

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Well, that's been done through this in the West as well.

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And it is absolutely totally and completely backfired.

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That clip is insane.

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Yep.

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It starts with anecdotal stories of the shooter

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and his roommate being dressed up like clown creatures

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and then gets extrapolated out into a claim

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that this whole town is infested presumably by LGBTQ folk.

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Yep.

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In his head, Alex connects this story

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to a headline he remembers about Germany,

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which he misremembers as being about sending

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30,000 children to pedophiles.

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That was a real story,

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but Alex is fudging some details and avoiding context.

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And then he baselessly is saying

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that the same thing is happening here

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in our elementary schools and everything.

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This is just an elaborate fantasy

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that Alex has constructed to reinforce his bigotries.

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And man, it's a mess just hopping from lily pad to lily pad.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, it is so fucking, it's so frustrating.

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It's so fucking frustrating to listen to this shit go.

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Like this, here's what I'm thinking of

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when I hear that shit, right?

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I'm thinking of how at the end of World War II in Japan,

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right, they had people going around with these cars

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with giant speakers before the Americans

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would come anywhere near them that was like,

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please don't kill your children and yourselves.

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Americans aren't cannibals.

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But because that's the propaganda,

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that's what you had to do.

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You had to convince people of this level of shit.

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Then you would see people who'd killed themselves

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and their own children to avoid being eaten.

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And it's like, this is what happens

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if you convince people of such bullshit.

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This is the same thing.

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This is getting people hurt for bullshit.

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It very much is and will.

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Yeah.

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And we need, you know what sucks?

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It's like, I don't feel like those kinds of trucks

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would be effective right now.

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No, absolutely not.

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That's what cannibals would say.

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Exactly. Exactly.

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That's exactly what that would, yeah.

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These fucking trucks were paid for by the cannibals.

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Absolutely, the cannibals.

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Where do the cannibals stop eating each other

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long enough to build trucks?

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Yeah, that's a bummer.

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Anyway, there's a satanic trans organization

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that is behind this murder apparently.

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And Alex has cracked the case.

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Got it.

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All right, thank you for joining us today.

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We're now getting a crystal clear picture

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of a trans antifa devil cult in Utah

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that was absolutely behind the murder

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of the great Charlie Kirk.

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And we have ongoing continued mass celebrations,

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not just here, but around the world by leftist demons,

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pastors and members of Congress,

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and just thousands of teachers is the main group,

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lawyers, doctors, scientists,

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absolutely celebrating Kirk's death.

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This celebration stuff is still just Alex whining

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about social media posts.

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Sure.

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I just want to make it clear

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that Alex doesn't actually want to play

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the guilt by social media association game.

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If he thinks that people posting TikToks

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joking about Kirk's death are distasteful,

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wait till he sees what fans or guests of his show

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have posted in the past.

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Cause I don't think he would enjoy that much.

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But if he was forced to take responsibility

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for the shit that these other people have posted, please.

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I think I recall him being in a courtroom

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taking responsibility for some of these things

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and he didn't do it.

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You know what?

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And it was big of him to take responsibility.

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It was, wasn't it?

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Also, he seems to be setting himself

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with a really difficult case that he's now needs to prove.

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He has literally nothing to go on other than vibes.

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And he's claiming that there's a full on

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satanic trans cult behind Kirk shooting.

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This is just dumb, but it doesn't matter.

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His audience is never going to demand that he prove this.

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It's just, yeah, of course there's a devil cult.

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And it's not even like they care

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if it's actually a devil cult.

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They could even just be like, oh yeah, no,

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don't worry about it.

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It's just his way of saying normal trans people,

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which is worse.

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Yeah, yep, yep.

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So Alex wants fucking arrests and big ones.

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He wants the federal government to fucking crack down.

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Sure, onto everybody.

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Yeah, it makes sense.

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We have thousands of innocent J-6ers arrested,

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old ladies drug off to prison for walking

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between the velvet ropes being waved in on J-6.

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Those people were innocent.

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With the left, they're openly terrorists

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calling for violence, engaging in violence.

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And when they break the law,

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they need to be absolutely prosecuted

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to the full extent of it.

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And if I don't start seeing serious arrests,

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and I mean within days, I am going absolutely a-

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against Pam Bondi, Kash Patel, and Dan Bongino.

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If I don't see some action to protect the American people,

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then you are aiding and abetting it.

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I've seen a bunch of foot dragging on everything else.

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And I know they've been blocking your appointments

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and suing you and everything you do.

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And I understand you're got an uphill battle,

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but on this, it's cut and dry.

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I want you to do your job right now.

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And I'm giving the FBI and the DOJ,

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and Trump's on their ass, I can tell you that.

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I was just in DC.

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Yelling at them.

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I'll tell you someone who started doing their job,

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the person who does the delay button.

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It was surprising not to hear shit.

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Yeah, he's gotten real loose with swearing lately.

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I feel like I've heard some swears, yeah.

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So if there aren't any big arrests soon,

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Alex isn't going to war with Bondi or the FBI.

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This is such an empty threat.

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But I think he also definitely means what he's saying.

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He feels this way,

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but there's never gonna be any follow through.

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The things that Alex wants the Trump administration to do

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are illegal on a basic level.

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He wants to use the idea of the Kirk killing

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to be used as a pretext to clamp down

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on tons of LGBTQ organizations

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on the pretext that they're supporting the quote,

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trans ideology that was behind the murder.

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Alex wants to see the largest crackdown of civil rights

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and the largest violation of those rights

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in the modern era.

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Yeah.

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And he knows that kind of thing has to happen fast

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or it won't work.

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His whole career has been about screaming

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about the Hegelian dialectic

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and how the globalists create chaos

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so they can bring in their preferred form of order.

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That order wouldn't be appealing to the public

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if the public weren't being terrorized by the chaos

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that the globalists created,

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which has the effect of corralling people

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to their chosen solution.

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As they look for safety.

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In the past,

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Alex has pretended to be opposed to this kind of leadership,

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but it's clear that he's neutral on it at best.

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And if you're gonna usher the population around

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based on manufactured crises,

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you wanna use as a focal points,

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it's important that you act quick.

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It's not a coincidence that the Patriot Act

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was passed about a month after 9-11.

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There was momentum.

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And if they waited much longer,

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some of the stuff they wanted to put in that bill

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might've run into trouble and not passed.

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This isn't really all that different.

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Alex wants a huge, very illegal response from the state.

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And he knows that the window of opportunity

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to use Charlie's death is slim.

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As horrifying and shocking as it was,

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we live in a world where passions die down fast

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and attention moves on to some other very pressing story.

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Alex is demanding immediate action within days

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because delayed action isn't an option.

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He knows that you gotta strike while the iron's hot.

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Yeah, we didn't do anything about Epstein.

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So he didn't either.

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I think we, no, that's what I'm saying.

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Like if I'm any of these people, I'm going,

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well, all of the Epstein stuff,

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we lost pretty hardcore on every possible front.

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So one, this is again, very,

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thank you, Charlie, thanks for helping.

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This makes us all feel a lot better about ourselves.

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Thank you for reheating the iron.

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Yep, absolutely.

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Cause we really did not strike while that iron was hot

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and demand any change.

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We said we were gonna really demand a lot of change.

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Absolutely.

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And then we whiffed.

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So you've reheated the iron and we're gonna demand again.

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Oh yeah.

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And then later probably be like, ooh, next time.

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I mean, the idea of after Epstein,

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after all of that to then be like,

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now we're gonna put pressure on Patel and Ponte.

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Guys, you're under their boot.

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Be done.

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When we're talking about clown creatures.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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You all have become yourselves.

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Get out of here.

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Yeah, it's almost impossible to take any threat of Alex's,

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like any kind of like, oh, this time I'm gonna be mad.

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Yeah.

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Sure you are, buddy.

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No, he's best friends with the baby raper.

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You're fine.

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Yeah.

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You don't, if you're not out now,

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no amount of leverage exists.

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You're just a real ding dong following along.

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Yep.

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So Alex has decided that he wants the death penalty

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for not just the shooter.

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No.

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Everyone in those discords.

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Everyone.

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We have armies of scum forming, celebrating murder,

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celebrating death, giggling, laughing.

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It is absolutely out of control.

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This is their John Podesta funded insurrection.

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This is the main crisis for our Republic.

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So I want action and I want action yesterday.

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I want it now, now, now, now.

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Glenn?

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And when you got your warrants.

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Now.

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Well, it is, I even got mad.

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I love our writers of our crew,

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but they always want to be very restrained.

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Oh, it appears there were people

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with prior knowledge of the town.

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It doesn't appear.

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They're like, he'll be dead tomorrow.

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Watch the day they kill him.

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See, I told you, you have prior knowledge.

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You're aiding and abetting.

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You didn't call the police when you got told

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your buddy in your cult was going to kill.

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Turns out he knew these people, not just online.

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At least 20 in the discord, at least six in the town.

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You knew he was going to kill Charlie Kirk

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and God forbid shoot other people

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that weren't even the target.

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And you didn't do anything.

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You are an accessory to capital murder.

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I want them arrested.

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I want them indicted.

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I want them tried for aiding and abetting

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and capital murder as accessories.

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And I want them to be given the lethal injection.

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I want them dead.

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Huh?

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That's what we do to people like that.

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Protect the people, American people.

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Arrest these terrorists, give them fair trials

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and then kill them.

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Kill them.

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Federal government, do your job.

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Kill them, kill them, kill them, kill them.

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All right.

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We're not taking it anymore.

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So yeah, the, put that on his.

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Wait, who's not taking it?

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If you're telling the government to murder people,

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I think we are taking it.

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I look, it's disorienting because of Alex's entire life,

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but him screaming that the federal government

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needs to kill people.

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Kill them, kill them, kill them.

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Where are we?

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What, what?

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We're where we were all along.

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It's just, there's no pretending anymore.

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For sure.

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He's not pretending to have some kind of like.

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I'm just, no, now I'm just interested in the logistics part.

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Okay, so now we're past it, right?

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Obviously the government's just gonna start murdering

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people left and right, right?

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No, just left.

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Exactly.

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What are the logistics though?

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How are we doing this?

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Are we doing like.

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I hate to sound like a broken clock or whatever,

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but Daleks with guns.

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I mean, that's, I feel like firing squad is the way to go.

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Let's go classic.

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Especially with Daleks.

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I want, yeah.

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Well, I mean.

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It's an evergreen idea.

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AI is now to the point now where we have to put

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Daleks with guns in there.

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And of course the dreaded Soylent Green trucks

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that Alex has said we're coming with COVID.

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Yeah, I want, I'm gonna go with blindfold and cigarette.

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I'm fine with that.

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I'll go out like that.

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These days it's gonna be a vape.

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The motherfuckers!

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Blindfold and a vape.

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Finally, finally there's a reason to hate modernity.

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You know what it's gonna be?

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It's gonna be VR goggles and a vape.

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You know what, that's, hey, listen,

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you watch a little VR port and you get shot in the head.

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Oculus and a fucking jewel.

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God damn, what a world.

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Yeah, I think that there's something just inherently

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fucking embarrassing about being Alex Jones

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and yelling that.

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Yeah.

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Like, I don't know.

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There's something embarrassing about being anybody

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who says that the government should kill people.

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Just on account of like, think about what governments do

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when you're like, hey, kill people, not good, never.

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It's never gone good.

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It's so funny because Alex takes credit

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with popularizing the term democide.

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Yeah.

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Which is murder by government.

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He's such a fucking loser.

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God damn.

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Here's the thing that gets me about people

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who really do kind of tend to know the Geneva Conventions.

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How willing they are to throw them aside

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at any moment's notice.

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Yeah.

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Like, collective punishment is wrong.

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How about, hear me out, what if we killed everybody

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who was nearby at any given point in time?

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That's the only way to be safe.

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That's the only way to be safe.

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Yeah.

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So Alex wants a crackdown on the left because,

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I mean, of course.

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You will do your job and you will protect

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the American people or we will have your ass removed

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and we will find people that will do their job.

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Quite frankly, most of the feds are running around

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arresting illegal aliens and gang bangers

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that are illegal aliens.

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That's good, but I think half of those

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should be cut back now and put on domestic terror operations

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for the avowed left saying they want full,

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I mean, MSNBC had headlines.

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We've done major polls.

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The majority of Democrats want blood, want war,

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want to kill.

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Yeah, we know.

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What?

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We know.

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What show is this?

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Show, do your job.

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Yeah, there's Nordin, famously when Antifa tries

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to hit him with a metal baton that can kill you,

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he knocks the guy out defending himself

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and they called him terrorist for that.

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Oh, you're a terrorist when he tries to hit you

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in the head with a metal baton, boom.

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That's what they don't like.

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Well, that's what the constitutional federal officers

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under Trump's command have a right to do

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as symbolic as Nordin.

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They're swinging at us, they're killing us,

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they're attacking us.

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This is what you do through the courts,

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through law enforcement.

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That's what law enforcement needs.

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That's what the Trump administration,

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that's what the FBI must do now.

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This right here.

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So to be clear, when Alex mentions Nordin,

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he's talking about Ethan Nordin,

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one of the Proud Boys who was charged

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with seditious conspiracy for trying to overthrow

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the election on January 6th.

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Prior to that, he was a street fighter guy

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in the Proud Boys and that guy was coming at him

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with a baton because he had already assaulted people.

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Right, right, right, right.

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Do you remember his nickname?

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Based Sick Man?

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That was a different guy.

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I don't know.

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Was it just Baton Man?

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No.

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Rufio Pan Man.

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No, it was that guy.

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Ethan Nordin was Rufio Pan Man.

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He has a name?

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Yep.

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They should have taken it from him.

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Yep.

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Rufio Pan Man is the model for federal police.

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This is what they should have done from the beginning.

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I'm sending them to prison, terrible idea.

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J-6ers, remove their names.

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Make them go by their stupid nickname.

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Absolutely, your name is done.

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We have removed it.

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Yeah, so I think that Alex is showing

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a little bit too much of his ass,

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but what are you gonna do?

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Okay.

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Do you know what, okay, look,

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I love that the feds are out there

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trying to catch all people they suspect

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of being immigrants.

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I mean, obviously.

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I love that they're doing that.

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Now, half of them should start building

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FEMA camps to put the left in.

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Well, yeah.

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I mean, honestly.

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Obviously.

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We need to maximize our resources.

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Here's what I don't get, right?

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This is, again, this is the thing

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that I just don't get.

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I mean, I understand.

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Oh, oh, oh, oh, we're so angry.

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Yeah, that's fine.

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But this doesn't actually accomplish your goals, right?

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You know, like if your goal is to get rid

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of the left or whatever,

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the FEMA camp thing historically always just

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makes people like hardened,

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and then there's a terrorism,

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and then there's a revolution,

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and then we do it all over again.

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Right, unless you learn from the lessons

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of the past and be harsher.

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No, that's the opposite of how it works.

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Right, maybe.

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But I think that you have to look at this

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from like a, sort of, there's a bifurcated goal.

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Sure.

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And there's the, you know,

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working towards a society that crushes the left.

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Sure.

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And also Alex making a lot of money.

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Yeah.

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And this is, a lot of this is more in service of that.

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Yeah, that is a good point.

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He's like speaking to an audience that wants to hear this.

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Yeah.

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And that's more, like,

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obviously it's closer to where his heart is also.

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Sure.

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But he's now living in a world

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where you don't have to pretend that it's like,

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oh, so scary, the government, oh no, they're gonna get,

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ooh, world order, oh no.

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You don't have to do that shit anymore.

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Yeah.

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You can be like, we run this shit,

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we are in control, the Rufio Pan Man is a hero.

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I find it strange to think that somebody,

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cause we're of the age, right?

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So somebody's in the army right now or whatever,

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who's my age, like this guy grew up

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when Limp Bizkit was on TRL, right?

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And then now he's gonna get an order

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that's like start killing regular people

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and then he's just gonna do it.

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Like, that's crazy.

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That's crazy.

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Well, you just gotta keep rolling, rolling, rolling.

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Exactly, that's what I'm saying.

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Like, what a wild thing, why wouldn't you just be like,

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really, nah, I don't think so.

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You know what I would say if those orders got passed down.

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Yeah.

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Give me something to break.

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I'm trying to think of some other Limp Bizkit songs.

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I was gonna say, I ran out of gas immediately.

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When fascism rises, we are all in together now.

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We are all Limp Bizkit.

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So the media, everybody, they wanna flood the zone

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with all this fake stuff about Charlie,

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trying to make him look bad now that he's dead, right?

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Well, I mean, Nazis tend to look bad.

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But only if you make up stuff about them.

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If you don't, then they get to be

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angelic little cherubs forever,

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like Charlie deserves to be.

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Okay.

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Let me tell you something else they're doing

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I'm gonna do a little bit later.

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They are flooding the internet, just like with Trump,

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with fake quotes.

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Remember Trump, I hate all Mexicans.

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Never said anything close to it.

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Remember Trump, I think the KKK are very fine people.

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Remember that?

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He said the opposite.

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He said the KKK are not very fine people.

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Overhead shot, I'm gonna show you this please.

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They are flooding the internet with stuff like this.

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Black women do not have the brain processing power

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to be taken seriously.

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You have to go steal a white person's slot.

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Charlie Kirk, July 23.

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Never said anything close to that.

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Absolutely not true.

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So Alex says that Charlie said nothing close to that.

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Right.

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But here's what he said on his show on July 13th, 2023.

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Quote, if we would have said three weeks ago

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that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee

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and Kataji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks,

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we would have been called racist.

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But now they're coming out and saying it for us.

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They're coming out and saying I'm only here

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because of affirmative action.

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Yeah, we know.

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You didn't have the brain processing power

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to otherwise be taken really seriously.

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You had to go steal a white person's slot

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to go be taken somewhat seriously.

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The unfortunate reality is that Charlie Kirk was a racist

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and he recorded him saying a lot of the stuff

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that takes away from the saintly image

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that Alex and his ilk wanna create now that he's dead.

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These statements in his career remain.

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They're real.

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So in order for Alex to deal with that,

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he's just decided he's gonna lie and pretend like,

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oh, he didn't say that stuff.

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No, he did.

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He absolutely said that stuff.

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That's what, that's the problem.

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That's my point about all of this

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is that what all of these people wish they could do now

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is remove everything that made Charlie Kirk a human being

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and just simply have their version.

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Yep.

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Like essentially they want to, I guess,

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kill Charlie Kirk.

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If they're able to sanitize his image

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in the aftermath of this,

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he is worth so much more to them dead than alive.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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They don't wanna.

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If he is alive, he just goes to more of these college events

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and argues with people.

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And he makes a lot of money.

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And there are gains that are made in terms of

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conservatism on college campuses,

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having a stronger foothold.

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There are benefits to his continued push.

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But for folks like Alex especially,

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this is far more useful now.

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Yeah, no, they love that he's dead,

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which is ironic how their entire thing is about being mad

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that people are like, hey, it's fine that he's dead.

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But here's the ironic thing too,

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is that like Alex agrees with what Charlie Kirk said.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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In that quote.

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Of course.

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But he knows that I have to make him out

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to be like the most middle of the road person

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who was killed for his really tame speech.

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Totally.

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And just polite disagreements

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that he was having with people.

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So in order to sell him as this martyr,

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Alex has to deny things that he agrees with Charlie about.

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Everything that Charlie Kirk was,

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everything that made Charlie Kirk Charlie Kirk

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needs to be sanded down

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until he is a fucking store mannequin.

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Yeah.

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And they can dress him however they like.

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Yep.

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So if anybody's killed Charlie Kirk, you got it.

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Yeah, they're actively involved in killing

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the memory of what he actually was.

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As a person, you would be like, don't do this to me.

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Yeah.

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Like I think that it's making a misrepresentation

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of his history to pretend he was wearing a swastika

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and yelling slurs all the time.

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Of course.

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Like that's a caricature of him.

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Sure.

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But Alex is doing the opposite.

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Like he's making a caricature in the other side

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where he's just like a good Christian boy

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who just wants to pray and everyone hated him for it.

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Right.

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Both are insulting versions of his memory.

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Exactly.

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Anyway, Alex gets to talking about how Antifa,

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you know, those guys.

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Oh yeah.

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They need to be, they're terrorists.

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Sure.

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And Trump needs to treat them as such.

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Sure.

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Let's go to Trump.

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This is Trump

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asked if we should designate Antifa

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and other radical groups to domestic terror.

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Yeah.

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They literally called for the violent overthrow.

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The government called for violence

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to shut people's speech down.

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They've killed a bunch of people.

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They're literally funded by Soros.

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They're engaged in,

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they've been killing a bunch of people in Europe.

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Now, now, now 10 members of AFD that were in the lead

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have died in the last two weeks.

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It was four, five, six, seven, eight.

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Now it's 10 magically died.

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Antifa just attacked a bunch of them over there violently.

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It's an international terror group.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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Lutely.

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And 40% of them on average are crazy trainees.

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Great.

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I mean, this is just nuts.

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So there have been seven AFD candidates

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that have died in the run up to their election,

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but that isn't as statistically crazy as it might sound.

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Nine non AFD member candidates have also died.

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And a lot of this is because this number includes

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all the local elections and really minor races.

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Sure.

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There were over 20,000 candidates in the elections

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that these candidates came from.

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And maybe that number of deaths seems a little bit high,

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but on its own, it doesn't prove anything

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other than it looks high.

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The German police have said that there's no sign

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of foul play in these deaths,

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but I guess Alex knows better.

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And why waste an opportunity to pretend that you're a victim?

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Sure.

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Incidentally, just today, as we're recording,

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Trump did decide to designate Antifa

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as a terrorist organization,

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which is to say that he put a message out on social media.

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Okay.

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The king has made his decree.

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All right.

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Quote, I'm pleased to inform our many USA patriots

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that I'm designating Antifa,

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a sick, dangerous, radical left disaster

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as a major terrorist organization.

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That was all caps after Antifa.

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Oh, that's nice of him.

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Yeah.

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This just makes me think of all the fun we had with Alex

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and the Mayak report and how scandalous it was

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that the government could even acknowledge

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that some people within the militia movement

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were domestic terrorists.

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How, like that was the bread and butter of this show.

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Yep.

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And none of that was sincere.

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No.

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Nope. Nope.

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Not even a little bit.

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Nope.

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But at least everybody wasted a lot of their time

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arguing with it.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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It's crazy to me because I think like,

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there's a good faith reason to possibly have humored

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some of Alex's stuff.

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Sure.

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But like, I think that because a lot of people

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weren't paying attention,

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maybe people took it too seriously.

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And it festered into a lot of this.

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We see that.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's better to argue about something

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that's fictional than to deal with the truth.

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That's kind of, that's America's epitaph right there.

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Better to argue about something fictional.

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And you know, there's another deeply ironic thing.

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And that is that like Alex's whole thing,

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his whole like FEMA camps and like,

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oh, they're going to lock us up,

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all us Patriots and all this.

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That was based on Rex 84.

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Right.

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Which was a plan to lock up leftists

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and communists subversives.

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Yeah.

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So like Alex now wants to do Rex 84,

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which was the plan that he pretended was a target on him.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, he should go to hell.

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He's a real piece of shit.

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Yep.

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Yep, yep, yep.

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You better believe it.

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But one thing you can't take away from him

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is that he's always right.

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My North star is the truth.

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What I really believe is what I say.

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And that's why I'm right 98% of the time,

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more than anybody else out there.

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That's why.

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I told you it was a trans cult that did this.

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We have questions.

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It looks like there might've been a group

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piggybacking on it.

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I'll get to that later.

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Now that we've got time to fair it into it.

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There is evidence there was a shooter behind him

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at about 70 yards.

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We'll be getting to that later.

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And when the globalists and different groups

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are in the discords,

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they can piggyback with their windup assassins

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like crooks in Pennsylvania.

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So I go where the facts lead me

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and where my deep knowledge of all the different facets go.

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I'm the guy that taught the public about false flags.

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When I first talked about false flags 31 years ago,

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no one, I mean 1% might've known about them.

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But now people think everything is a pure staged event.

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Well, you can also hype up these movements

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and basically take MK ultra style control

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from beta to through the culture, through the drugs,

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through the media, through the discord channels

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and create basically the same thing,

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but then have plausible deniability.

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Vindicated again.

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That was a bunch of words, Salad.

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But like, I think that Alex is right about one thing

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and he's also wrong about it at the same time,

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but that like he taught everyone about false flags.

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But it's not teaching.

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He exploited the idea that things could be a false flag

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and then made everyone think that everything

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was a false flag until proven otherwise.

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And now he's snake bitten.

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He has cultivated like an audience that's like,

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well, everything's fucking fake.

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And he doesn't want that mentality applied to things

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that he wants to be real.

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He doesn't want this Charlie Kirk assassination

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to be viewed through the same prism

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that he would treat something like Sandy Hook

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or the Boston bombing, because that gets in the way.

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Yeah, now it's not helpful.

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No.

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No, it is interesting because what he's taught some people

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is how to use a tool to get money, right?

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And other people he's taught how to turn anything

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that they're afraid of or don't want

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into a fictional story, right?

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And the double side of that is he's taught some people

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how to make money with this tool.

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And he's taught other people to accept this as a explanation

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or a useful way to look at the world.

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So these people can make money off that.

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He's created a customer base, yeah.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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He built a product and then now everybody uses the product

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and a lot of other people make the product better than him.

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And he's like, well, but I was the one who built it.

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That's it?

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He's a-

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Capitalism, man.

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Yeah, he's the victim of like his own shit.

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He created something that is a shortcut

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and is empty calories basically.

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And someone's come along with a better version.

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That's exactly right.

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And you should understand that.

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I mean, it seems like if you're super into capitalism,

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the one thing you should understand

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is when you're getting a capitalism done to you

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and when you're doing a capitalism, right?

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Yeah, and I don't know what amount of like

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sort of rear guard action Alex is gonna be able to do

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to retain any kind of relevance.

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I don't know.

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Shit moves on.

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We all die.

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That's life, man.

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Yep.

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And when you die, people will try to make

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a ton of money off you by wearing your skin

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and doing college tours.

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Yep, yep, that's great.

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Good stuff.

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Oh God, it's gonna be 2016 all over again

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with these shit heads trying to steal Charlie's thunder.

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Oh God, we still gonna keep going.

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Free speech tours!

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Still gonna keep going.

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And then there's gonna be a whole new wave

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of people being canceled

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and having specials called triggered and stuff.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Great.

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I would really, I tire of people saying,

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well, how about let's run it back?

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Because I feel like that's what we're getting a lot.

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Yeah.

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Get a lot of that.

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Let's run it back is fun for a nostalgia,

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like let's get the dream team back together

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and have them shoot some hoops.

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Absolutely.

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For a commercial or something.

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Michael and Scotty, get them all up there.

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Maybe even Larry Bird, fuck it.

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Charles Barkley's like, can I play?

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Absolutely not.

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We all have a great time.

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This isn't what we wanna run back.

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This is no good.

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Sucks shit.

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Nope.

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So we got one last clip here

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and it's Alex just saying that, you know, like, hey,

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if there's any racist violence, it's fake.

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Yeah.

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Anything that happens that's inconvenient for me

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is gonna be fake.

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Great.

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And then Destiny says, oh, what if he gets killed?

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Well, somebody might kill him and blame us.

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That's what we're talking about here

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is the incoming false flags that were the final ingredient.

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Remember I told you all this when Trump got back in,

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they pre-programmed it.

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Now they're gonna engage in terror attacks

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on traditionally black colleges, black churches.

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That's what they've already programmed

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and illegal alien demonstrations

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and say it was done for Charlie Kirk.

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And now they've evacuated the black colleges saying,

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oh, Charlie Kirk's a white supremacy.

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Not true.

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The white supremacy called and made threats

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and bomb threats because of Charlie Kirk.

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So when there's an attack, everybody's pre-programmed.

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Oh, the school told us that Charlie Kirk supporters

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were coming to kill us.

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See how the frame job is already done.

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Just like they put out all these fake quotes.

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Notice never video, just an image of Charlie

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saying black women are stupid

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and should never be able to have a job.

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Said nothing even 1% close.

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Doesn't matter.

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I mean, you know the NGOs,

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you know Antifa or the leftists

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called in the death threats and bomb threats

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of the black colleges and it's happening at the churches.

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And then they said, we got to evacuate.

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The whites are coming to kill us

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ahead of the attacks.

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It's just that simple.

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It's that simple.

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So there's an element of this

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that I think is really weird.

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That is like, I feel like Alex is taking agency

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away from racists.

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You know, like I think like if I were someone

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who is a big old racist

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and maybe I had some violent tendencies,

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I would see Charlie Kirk and I'd be like, there's a racist.

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And I might be mad that someone killed him.

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I think that there's a chance that I would want to

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commit some kind of violent act and retribution.

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It's generally how it works.

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Alex is taking away their ability to do that.

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It's just not even a possibility

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that some racist would be like,

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hey, they killed a big racist.

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I'm mad now.

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Yeah.

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Which is one of those things where it is like,

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it's the two levels of conversation that are being had.

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Right?

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There's the, this is how you make money.

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And then there's the, believe this shit

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and give us money, kind of that.

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In the same way, there's this like,

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I'm running cover for you so you can do this stuff.

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But unfortunately, because of the way we talk to each other,

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you only hear people don't do this stuff.

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You know?

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Like if I explain to you clearly why saying that

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you won't do it is allowing you to do it,

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then I would also have to explain all the other shit

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that I don't explain to you.

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That gets in the way of me being able to

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like get this message across to the real people

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that it's for, which is the people who are gonna continue

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giving me money, who might stop if they recognize that like,

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a big part of what I'm doing is running cover

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for someone to go attack a black church or something.

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Exactly.

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It's a big tent of people I'm lying to.

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None of whom understand each other

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and all of whom are participating in the own lie

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that they believe in.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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This messaging is laser focused on people

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who would never do anything like that.

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But would start to maybe question what they're mixed up in

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and what their ideology is really about if they,

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saw things like Patriot Front and Nazis marching, saying,

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are we the good guys if we have shock troops

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who murder people indiscriminately just because they belong

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to some group that's kind of like somebody?

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Don't worry about it, it's fake.

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There we go, that makes way more sense.

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So we are the good guys.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, we're so good that people have to pretend to be us

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and do bad things in order to make you think

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that you're bad.

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They're making you question yourself by playing dress up.

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You know what?

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It would require serious motivated reasoning

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to believe any of that, which is great for me

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because I have all of that motivation.

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I believe it all, baby.

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I mean, if you can sell people this like blue drink,

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then I think that you can probably go ahead

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and get people to believe everything's fake.

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Ain't that the truth.

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And then complain about how everyone thinks

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that everything's fake.

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Bunch of assholes.

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Oh, burn it.

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Anyway, this is a little bit of a shorter episode,

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but I got family in town.

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It's family, it's family stuff.

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You know, I got time to spend with family

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and we'll be back next week with,

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you want some longer bullshit?

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Yeah, I'm sure we'll have some more long bullshit.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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But, ooh.

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One last thing.

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Yeah, yeah.

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We do have, so for everybody,

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we have not yet sold out the December 18th show,

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so there are still tickets.

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So if you were holding back out of courtesy

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to allow other people to snatch some tickets up,

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you can, if you want to come to both, open season.

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Yep, and it will sell out,

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so just do it whenever you got time.

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There'll be a link in the description.

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You bet.

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So yeah.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, we'll be back with something so fun.

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A different universe.

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We'll be building a time portal

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and we'll be traveling to a different section of the world.

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That's what I'm gonna do.

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I'm gonna sit down and I'm gonna be like,

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let's find something fun.

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I think that's a great idea.

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I will fail.

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Yeah.

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But we'll be back.

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Until then, we have a website.

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Indeed we do, it's zellingsfight.com.

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Yep, we'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark.

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I am the mysterious professor.

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Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo!

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And now here comes the sex robots.

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.