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Knowledgify.com.

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It's time to pray.

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I have great respect for knowledge.

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If I know it's right, I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys.

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Shang, we are the bad guys.

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Knowledge.

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Dan and George. Knowledge Fight.

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Riddle her, riddle her, riddle her.

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Andy and Chansis.

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Andy and Chansis.

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Stop it.

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Andy and Chan-

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Andy and Chansis.

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Andy and Chan-

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It's time to pray.

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Andy and Chansis, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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Knowledge Fight.

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Knowledge Fight.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're couple dudes. I'd like to sit around worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh indeed we are, Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan.

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Jordan.

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Quick question for ya.

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Sup.

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What's your bright spot today, buddy?

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My bright spot is that last night I was over at Angela Lampsbury's place.

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Yes.

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We were watching a little John Cena flick.

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Absolutely.

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Watching the Heads of State.

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One of the greats.

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Yep. And ordered Culver's for myself for dinner.

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Okay.

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And did not get a Butterburger.

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Right.

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But what I did get is they have a Lucky Charms Concrete.

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Oh, okay. Okay.

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Like a shake but with a custard.

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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So fucking good.

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Was it really good?

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So good.

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Lucky Charms Concrete?

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It was so good.

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Did they have mushroom? Or mushrooms?

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Yeah, mushrooms.

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Mushrooms. Did they have mushrooms?

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Yeah, porcini.

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No, marshmallows.

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Yes.

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They had the full on marshmallow?

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Oh yes.

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Dang.

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And they did not skimp on the mix in.

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Oh, they did?

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You know what I'm saying?

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Sometimes you'll get a McFlurry or whatever.

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Oh yeah, the little tiny top layer and then you mix it in yourself and it's like,

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that's practically just vanilla ice cream.

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This was a healthy amount of Lucky Charms in there.

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And so they tipped my cap.

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Alright.

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I was going in with the hope of being surprised.

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Yeah.

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And I was.

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Yeah.

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And I loved every second of it.

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So good job Culver's.

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I remember when a Culver's came to my small town in central Illinois and it was,

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everybody was fucking buzzing.

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Yeah.

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Can you believe it? A Culver's here?

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Right.

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They have seen us as worthy of giving us this slightly upgraded Dairy Queen.

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Is that what it was?

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Absolutely.

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I was like, okay, alright.

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That Dairy Queen shit.

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Culver's is for the classy folk.

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We're doing it, huh? Okay.

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Alright.

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You know, it's strange because I do, I think that it felt the same in Columbia.

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Yeah.

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I think that when Culver's came, people were like pretty excited about the.

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I have never seen a quality difference that would suggest excitement would be valuable whatsoever.

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No, but there was buzz.

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There was buzz.

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Yeah.

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How did they do it?

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You can't deny the buzz.

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People in the past were a lot easier to handle, I think.

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And now I've got buzz because there's other cereal concretes they have.

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There's like a Cinnamon Toast Crunch one.

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Now I think I got to get it.

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The cereal sweet.

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If Raisin Bran is one of them, I can skip that.

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Yeah.

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But what you gonna do?

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So what about you?

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What's your bright spot?

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My bright spot is, Dan, sometimes we do live shows.

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That is true.

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Have you noticed that we do live shows?

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We brought one up, but it sold out pretty quick.

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And so we didn't bring it back up again.

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Friends, it sold out in six hours.

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Yeah, which was a little bit surprising because it's not a small play.

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It's weird.

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No, it's fairly...

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There's a lot...

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Yeah.

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But the positives isn't that we have sold it out.

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I think for a lot of people, that would be the bright spot.

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For us, that's not a bright spot.

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It's in a way...

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It's inconvenient.

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It's frustrating because what if somebody wants a ticket?

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Exactly.

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Well, now it's sold out.

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But the good news, the bright spot is what if somebody wants a ticket?

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What?

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There's a new date.

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What?

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Yeah.

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You're just telling me now?

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We've added another date.

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We've decided to do Thursday, December 18th as well.

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You keep springing these things on me on air.

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I know.

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I'm really sorry about that.

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I'm okay with this.

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Are you okay with it?

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Yeah.

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I mean, it was a unilateral decision.

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Yeah, we did talk about it.

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I'm just pretending to not know.

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But yeah, that'll be fun.

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A different show.

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Yep.

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Totally different.

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Yep.

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Same venue.

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Yeah, it won't be...

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I don't think we've never even considered doing the same show ever.

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No, I think we did try to do the secret of 2017.

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One time.

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In the beginning of 2018.

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We tried to use the same clips and it felt awful.

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We couldn't do it.

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It was awful.

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So yeah, that'll be a lot of fun.

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A little bit of extra time in Portland.

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So Chuck Palahniuk, you're on notice.

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We got another day, motherfucker.

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Yeah, you can dodge me for one day, but two?

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Not enough.

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Doubtful.

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Yep.

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But because the first one did sell out, I guess it probably feels like if you want to

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come to both, great.

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We'd love that.

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Right.

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But if you wanted to come and didn't get a ticket, I would hope that people would give

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you a little bit of a window.

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I want to try and express the strangeness, because I don't think that anybody in any

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sort of media except us can feel quite the way we do about this.

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We're not that big.

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Mm-hmm.

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We're not at all famous.

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There is in no way, any way that we should be selling out a place in six hours, period.

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And yet we do.

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And because we do, somehow we're also, again, not famous enough to do any of this stuff,

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but we're also like, hey guys, don't buy tickets too fast.

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Who are we?

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Don't rush in.

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We're absurd.

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We're absurd.

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Do your best.

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Everybody that wants to get a ticket should get a ticket, is what we're trying to say.

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That's the point.

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Yes, absolutely.

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So today we have an episode to go over, Jordan.

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We're going to be talking about some shit.

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Oh no.

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We're going to be talking about September 10th, 2025.

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And it's a bad day.

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This is not going to be great.

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Not going to be good.

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We'll get through it.

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Okay.

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But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

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Oh, what a great idea.

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So first, to the disgraced comedian and rat hole man, Gatorade shall never be thick enough

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for restless souls like us.

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Love from Captain Haha.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Next, my daughter just made her high school tennis team.

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So this shout is parentheses excited.

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Jordan, yell, tennis.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Tennis.

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Thank you very much.

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Next, sorry, Jordan.

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As the unappointed voice of asexuals, I'm here to report that we don't all watch porn.

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From Special K, thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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And fair enough.

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Fair point.

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Fair point.

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And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.

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So thank you so much to Clyde the Wide Ride says get it.

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To all the couples who use Knowledge Fight as foreplay.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars.

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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone sodomized and sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark.

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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

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He's a loser little titty baby.

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I don't want to hate black people.

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I renounce Jesus Christ.

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Thank you so much.

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Yeah, thank you very much.

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And a little note to all you folks getting ready to fuck out there.

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I'm sorry?

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Come back to this episode later.

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This ain't the one for you.

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This ain't the one.

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This ain't the one that's going to do it.

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No, this is not for getting in the mood.

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This is a downer.

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Yeah.

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So obviously there was some big news in the world of right wing media and propaganda this week.

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As the head of Turning Point USA, Charlie Kirk, was shot and killed at an event he was holding

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on the campus of Utah Valley University on Wednesday.

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An incident like this can be really difficult to address.

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And this case in particular is even more messy than some other kind of similar events that

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have happened in the past.

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As soon as news broke of the shooting, tons of politicians from both parties came out

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with statements denouncing political violence and offering condolences.

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Simultaneously, lots of people with large social media accounts released some pretty

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inflammatory responses, with many people mocking Charlie Kirk and others saying that a shooting

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was pretext for literal war against the left.

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Sure.

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In the broken media space that we all currently live in, all of this messaging blends together

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and everything becomes a confusing stew of shit.

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In most online spaces, anonymous shitposters have as much or more reach than PhD holding

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journalists.

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So who can keep track of who's saying what?

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It's all just being bombarded at you.

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Personally, I think everyone who listens to this show knows exactly what I would say about

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Charlie Kirk as a media figure the day before he was shot, and his getting shot doesn't

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change anything about how I feel about the toxic bullshit he disseminated.

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However, as much as I may have hated everything he stands for, I wouldn't have wished death

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upon him.

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At the same time, now that it has happened, I'm not particularly interested in caring

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that much about it or scolding anyone for responding however they feel they need to

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respond.

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As of the point of we're recording this episode, we don't know who did the shooting or why,

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so deconstructing what led us to this point is a little premature.

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And I think that we can deal with more of that as we learn more.

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Sure.

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To be totally clear though, I do think that delighting in someone else's death, even someone

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who sucks, is not good for you as a person.

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And I think people would be wise to avoid doing too much of that.

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Beyond that, I don't want to get into a thing where I'm saying that people should take

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the high road, and I also don't want to engage in people wallowing in mocking death.

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Both of these responses feel hollow to me.

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People naturally have made a lot of assumptions about who could be behind the shooting, and

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it seems like folks in the right wing media have decided that it must be a left wing person,

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possibly Antifa.

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Sure.

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It's possible that the shooter will end up being someone with left-leaning politics,

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but it's also just as likely that someone from the far right.

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As much as someone like me may have not liked Kirk, the people who were further to the right

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hated him even more.

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Nick Fuentes and the Groypers infiltrated Kirk's organization, and they've tried to

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unseen him for years, largely because he's not anti-Semitic enough for their tastes.

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That particular branch of the right wing really hates Kirk, and the idea that someone with

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those beliefs would kill him, that's not impossible.

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On top of that, Kirk has been a huge media figure that's gone against other ends of the

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far right in recent months, notably being one of the big influencers who said that he

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was going to trust his friends in the Trump administration when they told everyone to

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move on from the Epstein stuff.

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He also wasn't opposed to Trump attacking Iran, and has been a solid supporter of Israel

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throughout the genocide in Gaza, which naturally has made him an enemy of people on the left

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and right who oppose that.

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Ultimately, I can't answer the question of who did it or why they did it, so I don't

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want to take a ton of time speculating about that here on the show.

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I heard about the shooting pretty soon after it happened, and I saw on Twitter that there

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was a video that was taken from a pretty far away vantage point.

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I watched it, and it looked like Kirk might have just been hit, and it looked like it

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might have been survivable.

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Then, before I knew it, there was another video from much closer, and I really wish

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I hadn't seen it.

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The first thing I thought when I saw the closer video was that dude is gone.

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It was a horrible thing to see, and just, bleh.

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I think that seeing death and killing in particular causes a certain amount of emotional

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trauma to a viewer, and it really struck me how huge of a psychologically resonant event

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this has to have been.

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I may think Kirk sucks, but he had a ton of fans and people who look up to him within

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Turning Point, and they were seeing that person that they admired die in front of a

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crowd.

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Sure, maybe they shouldn't have looked up to him, maybe that was dumb of them, or they

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chose a bad person to admire, but they did, and the sight of him being killed has to have

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hurt so many people in a way that's going to be really hard to process and predict what

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the outcome of that's going to be.

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I feel for those people, and the people who didn't like him who may have also accidentally

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watched something they really shouldn't have on Twitter, and are feeling something about

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it.

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When I say something like that, I can imagine some people saying, getting the impression

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that all this death and horrible sights, they should be censored from social media, like

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that's my perspective.

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And that my position would mean banning documenting atrocities that are carried out in Gaza or

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in other parts of the world.

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But I want to make a distinction clear.

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When people see documentation of human rights violations and war crimes somewhere like Gaza,

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they're going to have a certain amount of emotional trauma that comes from that.

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However, in that case, they can take that trauma and make it something productive.

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They can find like-minded people, and through community with these people, it's possible

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to funnel those feelings of trauma into advocacy and action that's meant to stop these atrocities,

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and ideally limit them in the future.

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That isn't possible with videos like the one of Kirk being shot.

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The trauma that this type of video inflicts on you can't be redirected towards something

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good.

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There isn't a real advocacy that can be fueled by the awareness that this trauma brings.

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It leads just to pain, and then that pain can be misdirected pretty easily against whoever

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someone wants to target.

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For sure.

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To sum this up, I hope everyone's taken care of themselves.

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It's not normal for public figures to be shot at events, and for graphic videos of them

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dying to be distributed around the world immediately.

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So if that feels weird and fucked up to you, that's okay.

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It is.

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That's a very normal response.

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How it works.

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I wrestled with whether or not we should do an episode about this today, because there's

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just so little information available, but we can still cover Alex's response to this

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breaking news without knowing a bunch of the underlying details of what happened.

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We can still view his behavior as it is.

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Yeah.

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And know that he doesn't really know anything.

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Yeah, and we can be aware that he doesn't care, while we do.

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So Alex's show begins like any other day on Infowars.

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There was news about Russian aggression, this time flying drones over Poland.

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So Alex is calling that a false flag where Putin's a victim.

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Yeah.

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Russia claims that these drones are attacking Ukraine and didn't violate Poland's airspace.

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Well, Poland has said that they documented 19 incursions into their airspace, and that

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it simply defies imagination, it could be accidental.

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Sure.

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It seems like a lot of experts believe there wasn't any intent on Russia's part to attack

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Poland, but there was a desire to test boundaries.

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Right.

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This kind of thing doesn't mean the end of the world is upon us, but it's a bad sign.

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Anyway, it's an issue involving Russia, so Alex believes Putin's the good guy in the

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whole situation, which is, that's not a surprise.

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Yeah.

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It's not really all that interesting.

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I like the idea of thinking you're the good guy who's like, hey, here's how you know

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I'm the good guy.

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I'm sending in a bunch of stuff to test your defenses when you're not paying attention.

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You know, right?

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Like the good guy does.

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See if you'll get your NATO buddies involved.

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Here's what I'm going to do.

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I'm going to annoy you until I test whether or not you're going to start some shit, and

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then maybe I'll take your stuff.

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Like the good guy.

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It's really what a hero does.

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Yeah.

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So about halfway through the show, Alex leaves.

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Right.

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And he just-

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Oh, what a day for him to leave halfway through the show.

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I bet he's going to come back.

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Dan, I bet he's going to come back.

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Maybe not.

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Stay with us, Paul Revers.

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Today's the best day of my life.

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God, I know.

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I'm going to get my dad.

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I can't tell you exactly- I can tell you exactly how it feels to be having such a great day

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that suddenly turns horrible immediately.

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Just a semi-truck comes out of nowhere, two bones here.

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There we go.

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Okay, here we are.

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So Alex leaves to- well, he actually doesn't end up leaving for a little bit.

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Right.

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He intends to leave.

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Harrison Smith takes over the show.

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And as he's trying to minimize this news about Russia sending drones-

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No big deal.

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Yeah, they're kind of like dumb drones.

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Eh, what about the lazy drones?

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Yeah, Harrison gets the news.

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Uh oh.

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But what they are is very cheap sort of distraction drones.

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It's a cheap long-range drone which Ukraine intelligence says is made of materials like

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plywood and foam and assembled at Russia's vast Yelabuga facility.

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Yelabuga?

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It can be used as a decoy, drawing the attention of air defenses away from much pricier Shahed

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drones, which often carry powerful warheads.

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However, analysts say that since its introduction, other versions of the Gerbera with light warheads

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or reconnaissance equipment have emerged.

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So for the most part, these are just sort of huge model airplanes, like balsa wood airplanes

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that they send out in a first wave or send out along with the actual armed, expensive,

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fancy attack drones as a way to, you know, confuse air defenses because they can shoot

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these sort of useless drones out of the sky and it doesn't cost them anything and it allows

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the, you know, actual payloads to be delivered.

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Poland has asked NATO to invoke Article 4.

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Officially at this point, Warsaw wants consultations with block members after an alleged violation

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of its airspace by drones it identified as Russian.

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Whoa, what?

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Charlie Kirk just got shot?

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Fuck.

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Sorry, the crew just came in my ear and said that Charlie Kirk just got shot on video?

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So there's a, there's a, naturally a disbelief of like, what, what do you, what do you say?

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I'm in the middle of talking about these drones.

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What a day.

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Right.

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He had no idea this is, you know, much like on January 6th, except on January 6th, he

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probably kind of had an idea.

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Well, slightly different.

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Slightly different circumstances.

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Harrison is once again thrust into the position of being on air during something huge.

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Poor guy.

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I bet when he was a baby, like he was briefly, uh, like carried on screen as the twin towers

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fell.

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Like he's just always there.

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He's somehow always on TV whenever a disaster happens.

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Yeah, he's the Forrest Gump of oh shit.

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Exactly.

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So, uh, Harrison is being alerted that there's video.

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Sure.

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And it's probably no good, but it's still at this point, this is still the video that's

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far away and isn't all that graphic.

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Right.

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Oh my God.

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Okay.

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So we're just getting this news.

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It looks like Charlie Kirk was doing one of his debates that he does at college campuses.

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And the video that we were just seeing for our radio listeners was shot from a rooftop

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overhead.

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There's a huge crowd.

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You see Charlie Kirk.

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Can we, can we play it again, guys?

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So let's just keep that on a loop.

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Because it's not very, it's not graphic, but you can see him sort of jerk.

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And twist.

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And you see everybody running away after the shots were fired.

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Oh my God.

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I hope he's okay.

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So we don't know if he's alive or dead.

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We don't know how serious the damage is.

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This is a really tough situation to be in, obviously.

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And I think that, um, you know, I'm not going to say, uh, tip, tip my hat to Harrison or

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anything.

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Sure.

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But like, at least there is a clear, uh, feeling of, of like, well, there's, this is news.

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Shit just got actual real.

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We're not doing Info Wars bullshit right now, guys.

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Something's real.

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I think he's trying.

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Right.

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And I don't think he's going to succeed, but there is a feeling of like, Oh, this is real

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life.

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Right.

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Everybody drop the, drop the facade.

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We actually need to talk to people like they're real people for five seconds.

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Yeah.

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And at this point, um, you know, like that video that he is playing is the one that's

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far away.

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Right.

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And so the mind is playing it.

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Yeah.

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But the mind doesn't, I don't think it's as horrified by that because it's very abstract.

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Right.

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It's so, it's so, we've all seen movies.

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It's like a Clint Eastwood version of shooting a guy where they go, Oh, and like I said,

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there's entirely like, you could come away from the wide angle version of this, you know,

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this other clip as like, he might've survived.

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Right.

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That is not like, it's not horrifying.

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Right.

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I think once you see the other clip, it's crazy.

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No good.

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Well, anybody I think seeing that is just like, Nope, Nope.

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I understand.

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Um, and I'm not saying this is where it's difficult.

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Yeah.

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I still think you shouldn't play this on your show.

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Absolutely.

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I think it's, I think it's not helpful and probably a negative influence.

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Sure.

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But it's more defensible definitely than the other one.

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Than the other one.

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Yeah.

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The other one, there's no excuse.

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You know, I, here's the fun thing.

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Uh, and it's not fun.

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But just from like a let's step back and remember where and what we are and what we're doing.

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You shouldn't be, there's no possible way you could ever have evolved to be fine with

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seeing something like that.

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The species has only been around for 300,000 years and none of them has been able to deal

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with that shit.

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There's no reason to think that you'd just be instinctively fine with it.

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Yeah.

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You should not be fine with it.

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You've got the chillest gene.

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This is fucked up.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So as much as Harrison is like kind of trying to, uh, you know, be a newsman, um, he does,

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I mean the info wars does, does creep in.

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And it looks like everybody looks to the right, uh, as if the gunshot came from over there,

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which was really far away from the stage.

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And there you see everybody running.

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Uh, whatever you guys have on this, go ahead and bring to me or, uh, any more videos we

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can bring up.

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I'd like to look more at that.

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I guess I can hop on X here, but, uh, that is very horrifying and not exactly unexpected

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with the increasing leftist violence.

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Charlie Kirk has just been shot at an event in Utah Valley University.

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Yeah.

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You can't, you can't not bring it into the conversation about leftist violence.

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Of course, you know, jumping to the, these conclusions, building the narrative.

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As it were.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Uh, but I, the sense that I got from this is that Harrison's a bit rattled.

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Like as much as that leftist violence, you know, slip in is there and the info war is

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there.

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Right.

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I don't think that he's fully like there.

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Yeah.

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Committed to lying and right.

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Right.

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Right.

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And some more video coming out from this.

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Uh, Oh my God.

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Yeah.

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There.

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It looks like he was shot.

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Oh my God.

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It looks like he was shot in the chest.

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Holy.

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I hope he was wearing a bulletproof vest.

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I can't believe what we're seeing here.

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Uh, so it looks like he was shot in the chest.

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The people in that video, I'll look to the right as if somebody was shooting from by

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them.

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I mean, that would be a very far shot.

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It looked like two or 300 meters.

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Uh, if that's the case, this was in Utah.

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All right.

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When we know more about this, we will, uh, bring it to you.

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But I mean, obviously this is, I mean, this is the way things are going.

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Jesus Christ.

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I think Harrison kind of cares.

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Yeah.

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You know, like he's still, uh, an info wars employee.

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So some of the knee jerk reactions and responses of, of narrative building and like, how are

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we going to make this work?

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Sure.

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They're still there.

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Sure.

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But also some human responses there.

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There is, there's a feeling of concern.

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There's a feeling of like, um, I, I, I'm thrown off my game by this because it's a human to

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me and I, maybe he cares about Charlie.

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Maybe he knows him or, you know, thinks of him as friend.

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I mean, what's, what is interesting.

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I mean, I don't know.

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I don't know.

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I don't want to say like, great.

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I think what's, what's human about that is that it reminds us that all of the other reactions

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to it are reactions of thought, are reactions of second consequence.

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Your first instinct is the same as every other fucking person, except for, I guess, psychopaths

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or whatever.

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Cause I've read about them.

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This kind of, Oh my God.

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Yeah.

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Of like, no, this is not an okay thing to happen.

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Mm hmm.

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It doesn't, all of the shit you've talked up until that point, whether or not you believed

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it at the time or not in that moment, you are reacting like a human being.

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Yeah.

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There's something you're, you're startled.

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You're put off.

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Right.

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You're, and I think that that's what I'm trying to describe is almost like unsure footing.

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Yeah.

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You know, like he, he has actually, uh, almost like, you know, taken a punch, uh, and is,

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is a little dazed.

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No, you're, you're, and that's human.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's, it's ironic, but like a well thought out reaction from a good right thinking

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person hours later is identical to Harrison Smith's well thought out horrifying reaction.

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What's also identical is that you're a good person and Harrison's horrible person reaction

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in the moment is fucking shit.

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Fuck me.

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Well, but yeah, and honestly, uh, like, I don't know how you could respond to this live

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on air as, you know, like a peer of his or whatever, you know, like I don't know how

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you possibly could have something that, that even sounds composed.

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Did you know that there was a time whenever something like this would happen and they

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would go like, we're coming, we're just going to turn the TV off for a few minutes while

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we figure out what the fuck is going on.

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And then there's a little, little symbol.

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Yeah, that doesn't happen anymore.

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Now you have to be on the moment in the moment always.

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Yeah.

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And if you're too unsure in your footing and you're not really, you know, really, you're

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not really selling it.

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You run the risk of Alex barging in.

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Fuck.

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Kirk was reportedly shot near the neck while seated during a live Q and A session.

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Eyewitnesses say he fell from his chair.

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His shots were fired and evacuation of UVU campus was initiated following reports of

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an active shooter.

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U S Senator Mike Lee posted that he's monitoring the situation, urge prayers for Kirk.

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Alex.

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Yeah, we're just hearing about this.

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Absolutely.

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I was grabbing lunch where I got to get my dad out of the hospital.

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Fox news, they get back it up right now.

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They've got more details, but I'm telling you, Charlie is doing such a great job getting

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people registered as Republicans.

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He puts himself out there every day.

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My God, the left, the trans shooters, the, the, the stabbers.

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Wow.

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So you get shot.

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Wow.

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Right in the chest.

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My God.

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Probably have a parking garage just as I've been predicting left would do.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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That hit him right under the heart.

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Hold on.

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Hold on.

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Let me turn around.

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But see, that's the heart side.

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Wow.

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That was a professional.

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They shot right.

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It looks like it hits him about two inches.

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That'd be the lower heart.

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My God.

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When I said earlier that Harrison sounded unsure in his footing, I meant that he had

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the opposite of that energy.

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Alex storms onto the set, slamming the door behind him and immediately asserts a couple

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kinds of authority.

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He's far more assertive about accusing the left and trans people of the shooting.

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And I wouldn't be too shocked if part of Alex's instinct to come in so quick was because Harrison

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wasn't pouncing on blaming people fast enough.

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Alex directs the coverage to treat the shooting video as a bit more of a spectacle.

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And in the process, he's dehumanizing Charlie Kirk a little bit.

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He's amazed at the accuracy of the shot, which seems more interesting to him than the fact

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that his supposed friend is dying in front of him.

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Yeah.

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The second major thing Alex does here is put his stamp on the story by making sure to point

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out that the shooter was probably in a garage and that Alex predicted that.

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It's good for InfoWars if the story is that a high profile conservative figure was killed,

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but it's great for InfoWars if the headline is that Alex predicted it.

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He's marveling at a video of his comrade being killed.

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And one of Alex's first thoughts is to make it about himself, which is what you'd expect.

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And that's the only reason that Harrison's response is in any way notable to me at all.

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It's the lowest of bars, but because Alex immediately fails it, it's...

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It is so much like, let's just replace that question.

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You know that question where they're like, oh, so the guy meets a girl at the funeral

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and then the next week he kills her dad.

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And you're like, oh, well, that doesn't make sense.

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But if you're a psychopath, you meet girls at funerals.

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It makes perfect sense.

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Sure.

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Like, it could just be like, are you Alex Jones?

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That's another great way of doing the psychopath question is like, are you Alex Jones?

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Can you watch a video of someone who is a friend being shot?

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Yeah.

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And...

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What a great shot.

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Yeah.

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Whoa, man.

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You're a psychopath.

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You know there are cameras on too.

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Of course.

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No, you love that there are cameras on.

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It's just such an awful response.

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Man, I feel like ants have it right.

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I feel like ants have it right insofar as when something goes on...

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You didn't mean like your parents' sister.

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No, no, no, no.

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Ants as a species.

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Like when something like this goes on, sometimes just a bunch of ants just jump on top of another

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ant and they're just like, nah, none of this.

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None of this.

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Can't be dealing with this.

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Like you see something like that and you're like, nah, whatever.

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Whatever needs to be done to get that out of here.

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It's real dark.

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That's gotta go.

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Yeah.

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That's crazy.

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So Alex rambles a little bit here and then ends up saying a prayer, which is not performative

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at all.

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Okay.

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My God.

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Man.

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Oh my goodness.

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This is absolutely devastating, ladies and gentlemen.

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Oh my God.

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Oh my God.

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Looks like I got shot from higher up to...

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You couldn't shoot through the crowd from lower.

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This is...

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Slow that down.

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Wow.

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Boom.

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Oh my God.

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And it looks like everybody looks over to the right as if, yeah, I was coming from that

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parking garage.

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Yeah, that's what I've been telling you.

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The attacks are going to come from the parking garage.

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Wow.

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Okay.

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I'm going to get my dad to the hospital.

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I said I'll do it, but I'm...

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I'll be back.

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Great job.

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Yeah.

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Stuart Rhodes.

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Everybody's coming up.

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Fuck.

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Dude on the war room.

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This is just...

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Stuart Rhodes is coming next hour.

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Wow.

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Everybody, let's say a prayer right now for Charlie.

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By the way, everybody says censorship when I come into the show.

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Everybody knows they get hired here.

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I run there, we're breaking news.

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You guys are supposed to do it on my show too.

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Our heavenly father, Charlie Kirk, has done such an incredible job getting hundreds of

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thousands, if not millions of young people to register to vote for Republicans.

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He is a game changer and puts himself out there every day as a warrior on the field,

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as a man in the arena.

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And we pray, Father, that you send your angels protection and miraculously heal him.

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And we pray that you raise him up and it's in your will that he live.

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It is in your will that he die.

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He will then be a martyr for the truth and justice.

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We pray for Charlie Kirk right now in the name of your son, our savior, Jesus Christ.

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Amen.

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All of us together, we pray for Charlie Kirk in the name of Jesus Christ.

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Amen.

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Amen.

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God dog it.

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Oh man.

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Wow.

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Wow.

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From every day to his cabinet says this is a war.

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We need to be totally committed.

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Trump's doing way more good than he's doing bad.

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Way better than Kamala.

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They want to kill Trump too.

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They want to kill us.

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There's a reason I don't do a bunch of public events.

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Not that I'm a wimp.

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They're not important enough to risk my life.

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I guarantee I'd be dead right now if I did what Charlie Kirk does.

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He is a incredible person.

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He's under massive attack on the left and others.

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And wow, this is unbelievable.

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Pray for him right now.

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It's a war.

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An info war.

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It's an info war.

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Again, Alex is trying to make this all about himself.

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He's insistent on bringing up the parking garage's thing

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because it's validating his own sense of importance.

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Charlie's death proves Alex right again, which is the important thing to Alex.

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Even more disgustingly, when Alex is getting ready to pray for Charlie,

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he has to take a minute to get defensive about how he barged into Harrison's show

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because that's something he's getting a lot of criticism for with Owen leaving.

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No one's mad that Alex stormed in now,

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and it actually would be strange if he didn't.

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Yep.

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This is massive breaking news, and Harrison's filling in for him on his show.

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So the fact that this is something that's in the front of his mind is weird.

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That's fucked up.

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This is an awful way to cover this news.

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Alex has reinserted himself into the show, made someone else's death about himself,

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got defensive about stuff his former employee said,

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did a very performative prayer, and then started whining about how Trump is good.

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In the minutes after the shooting, countless Democratic politicians,

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ostensibly Charlie's great rivals, posted messages of condolences to his family

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and denunciations of political violence.

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News companies went out of their way to be pandering in their coverage,

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to the point that MSNBC fired one of their political analysts, Matthew Dowd,

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after he commented on air that Kirk was a divisive figure

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who promoted a ton of hate in his career, and that quote,

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I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to hateful words,

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which then lead to hateful actions.

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That got him fired, and I think that speaks to the tame,

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or even muzzled response you saw from institutions in the wake of this shooting.

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Kirk's old nemesis, Nick Fuentes, posted on Twitter quote,

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A few hours later he posted quote,

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All of this really illustrates how Alex has become a man entirely ruled by his impulses,

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and his addiction to chasing attention, to the point where, you know, this guy, Nick,

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who hated Charlie, can see what he should do in this situation.

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He has the wherewithal to recognize that...

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I mean, you know, but it's the difference between a smart junkie and a dumb junkie.

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You know, like he's doing that because he's chasing attention in the smartest possible way.

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Yeah.

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You know, like you can be a Wall Street junkie.

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Yeah.

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You know?

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Yeah, no, that's true.

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That's a fair way to put it.

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But it really does look bad for Alex.

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I mean, man, that's just...

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You know, sometimes in moments like this, I wish that I was still a Christian,

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because I would be grateful for Alex as being like a perfect test of true faith.

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If you believe there is a God who gives a shit, and that man's still alive,

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it takes faith to get there.

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It takes faith to get there the next day.

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That man and a God at the same time!

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Get the fuck out of here!

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Yeah, a lot of the stuff that Alex seems to do taunts God.

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Good work, God, you have tested the shit out of my faith.

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Yeah.

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So Alex has left, he barged back out after saying this is an info war.

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Right.

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And so Harrison just talking, just trying to fill some time.

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That is horrifying.

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And yeah, I don't even know what to say.

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I mean, the left is absolutely becoming radicalized to an insane degree.

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This is not...

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Honestly, I hate to say this, I've been unexpected.

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I mean, they have Antifa members like one month ago or two months ago,

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setting an ambush outside of an ICE facility, lighting the building on fire.

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So they come out and then snipers positioned shooting at them.

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Luckily, you know, they failed in that attempt.

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But I mean, they are on a war footing and they are out for blood.

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And they keep telling us that and we keep not taking them seriously.

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At this point, they know literally nothing about this incident.

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They've just decided that it was a leftist who did it

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because that satisfies the storyline in their heads.

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So that's just become fact.

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These kinds of details don't matter because when there are details that come out,

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they'll just ignore them.

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If it turns out the shooter was a left leaning person,

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they'll just continue with that storyline.

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And if it turns out that they weren't, then it'll be a false flag or a patsy

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or a mind control wind up toy of the deep state.

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It doesn't matter.

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Also, this talk about leftist violence is great,

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but do you think that Harrison can remember the names

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of the Minnesota lawmakers who were shot in June?

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It's doubtful.

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I know it's supposed to be a false flag, but do you think he remembers their names?

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I bet he can't.

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No, absolutely not.

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I'm certain.

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And that's telling.

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I wonder if we're entering like a weird subset of the dead internet theory

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where eventually all violence is carried out by like 50 guys to each other.

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Because I feel like no matter what everybody's talking about with left or right or anything,

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like I don't feel like people are shooting from a couple of hundred yards away

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unless they're already on their own kind of situation.

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You know what I mean?

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Yeah, I think there's something more going on there than a left right difference.

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Nobody with a genuine ideological disagreement also has like 200 yards away capabilities.

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You know what I'm saying?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Something else is going on.

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It takes a special kind of interest.

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It takes an elevation that I don't think normal, not normal, but like

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the vast majority of us, regardless of what you believe have.

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Yeah, especially people who are generally interested in politics,

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which has to do a lot about organization and how like a city should run.

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You can't have a fun horse race politics idea of how things should work while at the same time

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being like, and you should shoot the horses before they finish the race.

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No, I mean, at the very least you got to finish the race.

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Yeah, it's a mess.

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Yeah, it's a mess.

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So Harrison thinks that he's gonna just have the rest of it to show to himself.

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Yeah, well, easy peasy, right?

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Because Alex went to go get his dad.

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No big deal.

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Except Alex barges back.

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I can't help but think that he had to be wearing a bulletproof vest, right?

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And of course, he's not.

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He's not an extremist.

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He's the most respectable person on the right wing as far as I'm concerned.

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Well, he's so successful at mobilizing people.

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Let me just say people bitch him.

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He's on hardcore enough.

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That's how he gets the general people.

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Yeah, the man's a hero.

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Folks, I'm a big hunting enthusiast.

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I shot a lot of a lot of a lot of things.

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Don't do this.

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I really pray for him because if you shot somebody with a handgun,

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it would not cause the shirt to have that ripple in the body to jolt.

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That was probably a high powered rifle, probably not a 556.

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She probably got shot with like a 300 win mag or something.

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So I don't like to make predictions.

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I hope it pulls through, but just it's bad.

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I'm just telling you, I watched that footage.

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That's high powered rifle.

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He's got to be wearing a bulletproof vest, right?

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I mean, that would help.

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But a high powered rifle goes right through that.

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No, no, no.

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Tungsten cores.

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They knew they were doing.

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Now that it could have been a bulletproof vest is why there's so much concussion.

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That's a good point.

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That's what when when his shirt jumped, that's what it could have created.

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The bullet bouncing up.

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Oh, let's pray it's a nine millimeter.

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Oh my God.

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That good thinking.

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Only a bulletproof vest could create that effect as well.

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Roll it again.

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Roll it again.

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My God, the left sure loves guns when it's for killing Catholics or Christians.

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Zoom in on this.

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So that this is the war gaming that Alex does trying to figure out bullets.

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And I wonder, like there's a small part of me that wonders if it's almost even a coping mechanism.

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Maybe.

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Like an inability to recognize this person dying in front of them.

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I mean, I don't, you know, OK, so in in a situation where it wasn't Alex

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and somebody who was like a really big gun enthusiast, like a gun nerd.

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Yeah.

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That is like you're doing this because this is your point of view through which you can view the world.

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This is like you holding someone's hand.

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This is the way you can deal with this comfortably.

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Exactly.

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With Alex, it's it's like it's a different kind.

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It's the kind of like I'm not as interested in the gun that killed the pig as much as I am in

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seeing the pig get hit by the gun.

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Yeah.

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You know, zoom it in.

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Yeah, exactly.

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That's gross.

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That's disgusting.

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That's just got every amount of hunter ish, like we're part of nature is removed by the

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leering, disgusting grin of look at this blood spurt.

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Yeah.

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And and and like this kind of behavior, like the zoom in, let's play this again.

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Yeah.

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Like that in a room like alone where you're like trying to like get clues and get to the bottom

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of something is still kind of fucked up.

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Yeah.

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Doing it on air.

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Yeah.

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Nobody nobody watching like Kevin Costner doing Oliver Stone flick is like Kevin Costner is the

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guy who's totally sane, right?

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Yeah.

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Like, no, he's yeah.

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And Alex isn't even being met.

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No, no, no.

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He's not being professional at all.

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So Alex takes off again and Harrison reflects on the radical left.

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Right.

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And what have we been talking about for the last couple of days?

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The fostering of extremism, the encouraging of the most radical and violent elements of

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the Democratic Party constantly telling this swath of mentally ill people that they're

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under attack, that fascism is coming, that they have to stand up and fight and arm yourselves.

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That's what you say.

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Inevitable outcome.

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And that's what you say.

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Charlie Kirk is is okay.

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This is going to change a lot of the calculus moving forward, I think.

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Again, we're going to bring anything that we get as soon as we get it, but we're not

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going to run with any rumors.

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We're only going to go with the confirmed statements.

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Harrison's pretending that he's not going to report rumors and he's just going to stick

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to the fact that the entire premise of his coverage is based on his feelings.

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He's just decided that the shooting was connected to the stories that he likes to tell about

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radical Democrats being violent.

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And based on nothing more than that, this is how the news is being covered.

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The foundation that this coverage is based on is opinion and emotion, not any kind of

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factual reporting.

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And I don't think that he's even aware of or understands that.

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Yeah.

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But also, Harrison should be super careful about what he's saying here.

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InfoWars is not supposed to believe that stochastic terrorism is real.

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It's a very important tenet of Alex's ideology that violent words don't cause violent action,

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because if they did, he would be in big trouble.

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What's Alex's business model built on, other than telling mentally ill people that they're

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under attack?

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He rants about the globalists and commies instead of fascism, but what Harrison's whining

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about the Democrats doing is exactly what pays his bills.

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Harrison doesn't seem to understand that the only reason that what he and Alex do is

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socially acceptable at all is because Alex says politically after he graphically describes

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murdering someone, and then we all pretend that matters.

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If we all accept that violent rhetoric leads to violent action, then Alex should be in

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prison, which is why InfoWars is not supposed to understand this.

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Yeah.

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Harrison should leave this angle alone.

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Brings up too many questions.

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Yeah.

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Play dumb, buddy.

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Come on.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You know, the irony of everything that they are and everything that they do, right, is

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that if I'm talking about somebody who's not on the left or on the center or anything like

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that, if I'm talking about somebody who's just a rational, clear-eyed talker about what

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we're talking about, and I say something like, oh, it's a false flag, the response isn't

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like those never happen.

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The response is those are usually a bad idea.

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Those don't work.

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Those are bad ideas, right?

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Only these people think that not only do false flags happen all the time-

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Almost every day.

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But that they are a good idea-

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They're super effective.

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In order to accomplish what you want.

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So the irony of this situation is that, and I'm not saying that this is or is not a false

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flag, but in terms of a situation like this based upon the target that we're dealing

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with, there is a far more likelihood of this being somebody that likes him than not likes

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him in order to try and achieve the goals that he set out because of what they believe.

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Well, sure.

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It's weird.

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It's an ironic situation.

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Well, don't worry.

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I mean, it will be a false flag if it needs to be.

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Exactly.

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But that's the problem.

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Right.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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Everything can be a false flag until it's proven not, but you don't want to use that

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when you don't need to.

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Exactly.

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And in this case, they don't really need to yet.

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Uh, with the Minnesota, they did.

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Right.

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Exactly.

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Very important then.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So Harrison, he thinks he's alone again.

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Of course.

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Is he going to be alone again this time?

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Nope.

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Oh.

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He starts ranting-

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Over how many hours are we popping it out?

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25 minutes.

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So he was supposed to be gone multiple times within minutes of the next statement that

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we're taking.

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Okay.

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It's pretty quick.

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Gotcha.

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All right.

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I was coming back.

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It's again a farce.

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Okay.

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It's again an open-

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Open closing doors.

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Okay.

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All right.

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So Harrison's ranting a bit about the left.

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Okay.

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And now Alex has discovered the really awful footage.

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Uh oh.

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So we're probably going to end up seeing a lot of different angles of this.

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I'm like feeling lightheaded.

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This is the inevitable consequence of the radicalization of the left in this country

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and the demonization of right-wingers.

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Even people like Charlie Kirk, who are totally respectable, totally Christian, totally informed

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by American ethos, and yet they have a target on his back.

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All right.

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There are rumors on the internet he's dead.

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I said if it's not body armor causing that big concussion, it's a super high powered

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rifle, like 308 Win Mag, something like that.

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They're saying it's an old man.

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They say he's in custody.

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That's what the police are reporting.

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We have footage.

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We're about to shove your discretion advised.

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I shot my cell phone.

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You see blood shoot out of his mouth body, which would be hitting the heart, which is

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what it looks like to be on the video.

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So pray for Charlie.

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We'll be finding out as this unfolds.

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If your discretion is advised, let's loop this footage a couple times.

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Not counting gang violence.

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Great.

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Fuck me.

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There's no justification for Alex playing this footage.

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It's disgustingly graphic and you don't learn anything from it that wasn't already

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known.

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It's exploitative and it's an act of harm he's perpetrating on the audience.

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I honestly wouldn't have even included the audio of that except that Alex can be heard

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making an aside to Harrison that I think he thought was off mic.

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He said, quote, they don't want this scene when they kill people, which feels like Alex

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making an excuse for playing this video.

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It feels like saying that is an indication that Alex knows that he needs a reason to

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be airing a snuff film and even telling the crew to loop it like it's fucking unacceptable.

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That's crazy.

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I don't believe he doesn't understand that what he's doing is wrong and he needs an

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excuse.

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Also, the police didn't say that an old man did it.

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Twitter said that because there was footage of an old man being detained by the police

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at the university.

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This was a guy later identified as George Zinn, who's apparently a notorious local

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protester.

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News coverage from Utah describe him as a libertarian who has a long history of misdemeanor

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arrests and it seems like he was getting arrested because he told the police that he shot Kirk,

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that they didn't know if he did or not.

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And he didn't.

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So as usual, Infowars is reporting rumor and speculation, passing it off as official information

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from legit sources, the exact thing that Harrison said they're not going to do.

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Usually when the cops say something, they announce it, they've got a whole thing, there's

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like things.

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When Twitter says something, they just go, the cops got him.

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Yeah, I don't know if the cops and the FBI had great message discipline around this as

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the day went on.

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Yeah, this one was more of a social media thing than an official announcement.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Man, fucking gross.

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What a fucking...

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It's fucking gross.

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What a group of people to think that this is okay.

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Not even okay, like to think that even in certain circumstances, this is okay.

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There's no need, there's no circumstances that justify this behavior.

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No.

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There just aren't.

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No.

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Because you don't need it.

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I wish I could add more editorialize in some way, but no, it's not.

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It's disgusting.

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Yeah, like, I don't know.

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I don't know, man.

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How do people get there?

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I mean, I think that having...

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You know, I didn't have auto play on, so I can't cop to that.

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I did not realize what it was going to be when I clicked on the video.

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And having had that experience, I find it so repulsive that Alex knows what he's doing,

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he's airing this, and he's like, loop it.

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It's just unacceptable.

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He's an adult.

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Yeah.

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I've seen none of the videos.

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At no point in time would I have been informed by any of the videos.

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You could just say he's dead.

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You could say he was just shot.

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And I would be like, I've lived a life long enough to where I know what the context of those things mean.

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I don't need to subject myself to blood.

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I don't.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Fucking hell.

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Fucking hell.

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So anyway, Alex gets lost a little bit in discussing the mechanics of the shooting.

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Of course.

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I think the most important part.

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To some.

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Yep.

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I thought, because you see the jolt.

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You see the jolt in the...

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It's the juggler that would do that jolt.

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Because, oh, it could have hit the body armor and bounced up.

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Ah.

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Yeah, body armor bounces up.

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You see the bullet bounce up.

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That might have been a pistol round.

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Jesus Christ.

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Man, Charlie, we love you, brother.

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What a warrior.

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What a Viking.

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Well, if he does die, he's going straight to Valhalla.

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That's a real warrior king's death right there.

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Sword in hand.

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Oh my God.

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That was...

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How many things like this are we going to have to see?

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I'll just say this.

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Yeah.

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This isn't going to intimidate the populist movement.

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This is going to make us stronger.

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And if they think this type of stuff is intimidating us, they got another thing coming.

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They think we're like them, a bunch of scum.

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This will only make us rebuild our efforts.

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But I don't think it's a rumor he's dead.

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Seeing that, it looks fatal.

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Pray for Charlie Cook's circle, folks.

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Pray he's alive, but I don't think so.

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Wow.

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Stuart Rhodes is coming in.

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Stuart Rhodes takes over, folks.

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Really?

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This is why we're so into Donald Trump.

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If he doesn't fix this, God only knows where it goes from here.

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Things are getting out of control.

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Quite out of control, I would say.

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I felt like Alex was really trying to work up to,

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if you want to fight, you better believe you got one.

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Yep.

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Some catchphrase action.

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Fucking hell.

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Yeah, I think that if you think that he's probably dead based on the video you just watched,

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don't air that.

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At least you should think it's probably not what the family wants.

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Like, I understand that you probably want to rile people up and, you know, whatever,

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but there's an inherent disrespect that I just feel like should be baseline.

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Yeah.

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Oh, well.

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I think this is a really great exemplar of the difference between talking and doing.

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Like, Harrison talks such a big game of being a Nazi piece of shit.

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Alex is a Nazi piece of shit, to his core.

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Emphasis on piece of shit.

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To his fucking core.

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Because I think that there's some piece of shit parts of him that are Nazi-ish,

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and there's some parts that are different, that are still piece of shit.

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You know, they're more.

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There's an evolution of piece of shitery.

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He's a dynamic piece of shit.

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Yeah, but it is like, there are a lot of people in life who just talk shit,

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and they talk a big fucking game, but when it comes down to it, like, that's a human life.

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Alex is fucking not that.

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He does not care.

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Alex is not that.

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No.

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Alex does not give a fuck.

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Yeah.

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That's really the feeling that I got from this, you know, albeit fairly brief time that they

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were covering this on the episode, was that Harrison has a slightly human response,

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and Alex does not care at all.

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Not even a little bit.

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He's interested in guns and how he can use this.

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And Owen!

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Yeah.

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Well, he makes a Freudian slip a little bit later.

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Oh, he does?

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Yeah.

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So, they said that we got a guest host coming in.

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Jesus Christ, of all the fucking people, who do we gotta have?

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We gotta have pirate murder talk over here.

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Yep.

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So we just heard that Charlie Kirk was shot in Utah.

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Our prayers go out to him.

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Hopefully he'll make it.

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So big lesson from that is, is that we are already, I'm here to say this,

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but we're already in a civil war, and it's been that way for years against the left.

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Just effing accept reality that they are waging war on this country, on this Constitution,

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and on us, and they don't accept free speech from anybody but themselves.

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That's clear from what happened to Charlie Kirk today.

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They have zero information about who did this shooting or why they did it,

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but now we have Stuart Rhodes coming in to whine about how this is part of the left's war

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on the country, which is already a civil war.

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I often have moments where it feels like Infowars is a full-on parody of itself,

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and this is a great example of that.

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Charlie Kirk was just murdered at an event, and less than an hour later,

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the head of a paramilitary group that tried to overthrow the country four years ago is guest

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hosting complaining about the left.

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Even if you just leave out all of the January 6th stuff, leave that to the side.

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True.

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His history with the Oath Keepers is plagued with violence pretending to be politics.

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Stuart being the host on this particular day, it just feels like proof of a simulation.

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I mean, it's so surreal.

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I think I just did become a Christian because no amount of faith could ever overcome this,

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ironically making my complete lack of faith the only true faith that there could possibly be,

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proving that once and for all there is a God.

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Yeah, and like, it's, you know, obviously Alex didn't plan all of this.

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You can't possibly have done that.

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But it would explain how this has so much irony to it.

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I mean, it's steeped.

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It's steeped.

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So one thing that is true is that Alex did need to go pick up his dad, I think,

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because he does not come back.

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Instead, I think he drops his dad back off.

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Great.

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We were going to go get some ice cream, but dad, sorry.

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No mas.

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I've got to go film a special report.

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Oh, God.

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So Alex comes back to the studio and films a report about Charlie Kirk.

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Oh my God.

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The Democrats just killed Charlie Kirk today.

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They're desperate.

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They're losing.

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They want to intimidate you and me and everybody else.

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But we won't let the murder of our hero be used against us.

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We'll use this death as an example to celebrate the life of Charlie Kirk

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and let the globalists know you did this out of weakness.

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And we're now going to peacefully expose you and speak out publicly more than ever.

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And then you criminals will be defeated and we'll be going to prison.

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We're about to break it all down right now.

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By this point, Alex has zero new information,

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but he's very confidently yelling about how the Democrats killed Charlie Kirk.

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Getting things right doesn't matter to Alex.

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All that matters is feelings.

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It's important to understand that Alex is acting this way because he knows that emotions

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are super high in this moment and that he needs to strike while the iron's hot.

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A leading figure in their media space was just publicly killed,

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so people are naturally pissed off and a bit scared.

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If Alex were to get on air and say, hey, let's keep our cool and wait till we have some information

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before we jump to conclusions, he wouldn't be able to exploit those angry and scared

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feelings that the listeners have.

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When someone is angry and scared, if you try to calm them down,

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you're looking out for their best interests, but you're going to be less able to manipulate them.

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On the other hand, if you tap into that fear and anger,

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you're going to make the situation they're in worse.

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But the energy that those emotions create can be redirected and pointed where you want to aim it.

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This is a major trick that Alex has used throughout his career,

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where he exploits the audience's feelings of fear and anger, often around public tragedies,

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and then redirects their feelings towards things that bring him profit.

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When you think about Alex's career, what do you think about?

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Is it making shit up about horrible tragedies,

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or is it actually getting to the bottom of crimes and corruption?

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Without the crutch of taking advantage of public trauma, we wouldn't know Alex's name.

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Everything that's big in his career, 9-11, Sandy Hook, Waco,

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all of it is exploitation of the pain that tragedy causes.

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And that should be his legacy.

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His talent is not for anything other than recognizing when speed is the most important

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thing. Beyond all else, beyond everything else, speed. Get there fast.

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And other people's pain alchemy.

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Yep.

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That's his skill.

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He's got that. Yeah.

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So this was a shot heard around the world.

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Mm-hmm.

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September 10th, 2025 is a day where a shot was heard around the world.

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Charlie Kirk was brutally murdered today in Utah while speaking to thousands at an outdoor event

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at a college. And the left is everywhere celebrating it. They're so happy. They had

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witches in groups cursing him in the week before. They had people in Utah releasing a song a month

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ago about killing him. We'll get to all of that.

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So there's that soft music playing. And if you're just listening to this show,

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you might think that this is some kind of a respectful tribute. But the video that's playing

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just before Alex starts talking is Charlie getting shot in slow-mo.

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Great.

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It's horrific stuff.

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Great.

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Also, I'm not going to dwell on this too much, but when Alex says that Democrats are over all the...

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They're all celebrating Charlie's death, the only thing he points to is a couple of random people

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on TikTok. It would be totally fine if he wanted to say that these people are acting distastefully

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and that he doesn't like it, but if he's going to say that Democrats are all out here celebrating,

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he should add a little note about how literally every mainstream Democratic politician posted

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a condolence and denunciation message on Twitter. It feels like him not saying that and just posting

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a few TikToks, that's him lying by omission.

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Sure.

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And it feels that way because that's what it is.

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Yeah.

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He's doing this because he's a liar, trying to exploit his supposed friend's death before

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it's even been publicly announced that he's dead.

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Yeah.

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It's gross.

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, functionally, while I understand the impetus behind what everybody's

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doing, right? All of those messages from Democratic politicians and the like are all reasonable

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things that they are saying to other Democrats. You are not being heard by anybody on the right.

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Yeah.

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So if you're making that statement or firing whatever his fuck is in the hopes of being like,

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this will send a message to the right that we're above this. That message is unheard.

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Yeah. There'll be a couple of people on TikTok that will speak for all of you.

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Right. And I mean, in the same way, if you're yelling at somebody about,

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like, oh, this should happen because he's a violent guy. He commanded violence. He said

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that the second amendment was fine. That's also not being heard. Just the two of you talking.

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It's the Democrats saying we should be cool. And the Democrats saying like, this guy had it coming.

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They're talking to each other. None of you are having a conversation with the right.

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Yeah. They're doing their own thing.

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They're doing their own thing. And what you think is meaningless to them.

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Except when they feel like they can use it.

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Exactly.

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And that's kind of unfortunate.

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And you don't even need to actually think of it. Yeah.

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So Alex thinks that he's figured out why Charlie got shot.

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Yeah.

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He was getting too close to uncovering the truth that crimes are happening against white people.

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Oh, shit.

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But the reason it's a shot heard around the world is he came out a few days ago with the murder of

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the Ukrainian 23 year old refugee and the left trying to cover up that was racially motivated.

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The killer says, I got that white girl. And they said, he's the bad guy. He's the fascist.

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He's Hitler.

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On August 22nd,

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Irina Zurotska was stabbed to death on the rail system in Charlotte, North Carolina

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by a savage career criminal.

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Her life story, I think, will be told both in the United States and Ukraine for years to come.

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What do you think the importance of this story is most fundamentally?

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This was one of the coldest, most senseless murders I've ever seen. She had no interaction

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with this guy whatsoever. She was sitting, minding her own business. And he just takes out a knife

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and just decides to stab her. I do say this with some form of just heaviness. I don't like

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politicizing situations like this, but it just necessitates it because there are so many dynamics

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at play here. Based on the information evidence we have, the attacker did say, I got that white girl.

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The attacker racialized it in his own telling of this situation. And we all know this, any honest

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observer of your program knows this, including Van Jones even knows this deep down, which is that,

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of course, if a random white person on a subway took out a knife and stabbed a black girl

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senselessly to death, there would be massive media coverage. There would be policy changes.

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There'd be people having to apologize for this. We saw this in George Floyd. And yet for whatever

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reason, the situation has not garnered even a fraction of that kind of outrage or backlash.

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And it's really captured people's attention.

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So what happened in this case in North Carolina is a horrible tragedy, but I don't think that this

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very clearly mentally unwell person muttering something that sounded like, I got that white girl

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after stabbing a random person, is enough to establish that this was a racially motivated crime.

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I don't think that Charlie's claim that the killer quote racialized the crime is even defensible,

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because generally speaking for a crime to be racialized, race has to be a part of a motivation

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for a crime, not something that was just said descriptively afterwards. Even assuming all the

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other details he's given are correct. By pointing out his race and their race,

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I'm racializing the crime and that must be what he was doing racializing it. Because otherwise,

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I wouldn't be able to racialize it. Further, the point that Charlie is making about how if it were

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a black woman stabbed by a white guy on the train, there would be tons of media coverage of it and

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there would be policy changes. That's the most scientifically

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inaccurate thing that's ever been said. But I would also just point out that there's tons

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of media coverage of the case he's talking about and the president is using it to try to

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justify sending federal troops into states to squash crime. This whole if the races were swapped

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game is just that. It's a game designed to bait racists. Charlie also says that this isn't giving

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the same attention as George Floyd and I think part of the reason for that is that Floyd was

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killed by a cop who had him subdued. The current story doesn't involve police brutality, which was

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a very central issue as to why people were protesting a lot about the previous case.

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The reason that Charlie got blowback from this behavior that he was engaged in is because it

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was a little obvious how desperately he was trying to stoke racism with his coverage of the story.

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I feel like him saying even Van Jones would have to admit is a little over the top because he's

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just using Van Jones as a stand-in for a black guy. It's ridiculous. I know it's not important,

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but this story has another deep irony to it, which is that the victim of this crime is someone that

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folks like Alex and Charlie do not like. She was a refugee, which they don't want here. Further,

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she was from Ukraine, a country that they both are cheering on Putin invading. If she hadn't been

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killed, they would be happy to demand that she be deported back to Ukraine and they wouldn't care

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if she was killed as a result of that. But because it happened here and how it did, they accept her

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as one of their own because she was white and they can use this story to exacerbate their audience's

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feelings of racial victimhood. So it's all good. No, no, no, no, no. You don't understand.

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What was it? CNBC or MSNBC? MSNBC.

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Yeah, because they fired that guy, the right is like, oh, okay, cool. Well, we're all good.

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Yeah. They nailed it.

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Yeah. Because they were like, oh,

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you guys are clearly mad about how we cover this. This guy said something clearly simple like,

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hey, if you're dabbling in violence, maybe don't be surprised if violence happens.

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So we fired him. So now violence has ended. Yeah. And you clearly took that as a sign of

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good faith on our part. Absolutely.

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I'm glad we can have a respectful relationship moving forward.

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I appreciate that we're not going to have to hear the right complaint about MSNBC anymore.

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Certainly not. Because they've done the thing for him, right? I'm sure it's fixed.

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So Alex, he's suggesting that the reason that the globalists had to take out Charlie Kirk is

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because he pointed out a race crime thing. A single instance of one...

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Right. The thing that they always do. The thing that they've done, I don't know if we...

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Constantly. Like one week has gone by in the past. So that's at least 52 times in the past year.

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Yeah. But this is why.

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This is why. Sure.

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Okay. Gotcha.

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Oh, and so Alex complains a bit more about these people on TikTok and they're the worst.

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TikTok. So Charlie Kirk will live forever.

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And God bless his family and everything he's done. But the left everywhere,

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literally celebrating this just shows you how sick these people are. They want you dead

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because you're not a Satanist. You're not a pedophile. You're not a globalist.

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And they're not going to stop. So you can't roll over the political correctness. You can't hope

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they just go away. You've got to stand up against them culturally, economically, spiritually.

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The video that's playing over this part where Alex is complaining about the left celebrating

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is just people who posted stuff on TikTok. There's no indication from what he's showing

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that they're even left-leaning people, but there's a bigger issue here. What could be

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less politically correct than mocking someone's death right after it happened?

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By definition, what these people on TikTok are doing is super politically incorrect.

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And Alex is scolding them about it, which kind of makes him the guy trying to uphold

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some standard of political correctness. These kids on TikTok are doing exactly what free

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speech loving iconoclasts would want them to do. And Alex is playing the role of the stuffy

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censor in all this. He doesn't even understand what he's... Who cares?

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I mean, man, what are we doing here? It's one of those things where it's like,

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ah, God, I wish I could play that clip. I wish I could play that clip of Alex being like,

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ooh, that wasn't a 556. That was definitely like, oh, boom.

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He said, boom. Right? I wish I could play that clip for anybody on the right and just be like,

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listen, I know what they've said, but at the very least, everybody you think is evil on the left

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will go, I'm sorry you got shot. They'll at least say that. You can't say that for Alex.

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You can argue whether they mean it or not. You bet.

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But Alex is going to say, boom. Alex is going to go, boom. Like fucking Madden.

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He's going to slow-mo zoom in a picture of you getting shot and the worst moments of the end of

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your life. If we have disagreements about taxes, I get it, buddy. But if you get shot, I'm not going

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to go, boom. That's not going to happen. We're buds. Crazy.

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So some people say that Charlie Kirk wasn't hardcore enough.

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That's where we're at. Yeah.

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Great. And Alex doesn't like those people,

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but he does because they're Nick Fuentes and Alex loves him.

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And also he was the one who said he wasn't hardcore enough.

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Yeah. Alex has said that too.

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Charlie Kirk decided to be exactly where he wanted to be. Standing up against evil,

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standing up against tyrants, standing up for free speech. And some in the populist right-wing

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movement could say, well, he wasn't hardcore on this or he wasn't hardcore on that. It didn't

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matter. He was getting millions, it's estimated over 5 million in the last nine years, but 3

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million in the last election, young people to break from the brainwashing on the campuses

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and to go out and vote Republican. That is such a revolutionary act. And so he had to die.

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The people who say that Charlie wasn't hardcore enough are the avant garde Nazis that Alex likes

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a lot these days. And not hardcore enough is just a fun euphemism that Alex is trying to hide behind.

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He needs to stop playing dumb games and just accept that his Nazi friends hated Kirk because

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it wasn't Nazi enough for them. Also, I think it's really sad for Alex to be venerating some guy who

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was wishy-washy on the issues just because they were an effective partisan voter registration guy.

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Yeah.

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If you're supposed to be above the left-right paradigm, this seems like a weird person to

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make a hero out of, but that paradigm wasn't real to begin with.

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They couldn't stop themselves if they wanted to. This was going to happen. It could have been

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fucking the most milk toast. It could have been fucking Lieberman,

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man. And they'd still be like, ah, he was a hero of the movement.

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Sure. He had his moments.

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Yeah. They had to listen. We need somebody. He's here. This is what's happening.

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He said something racist last week, and that's probably why they killed him.

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Close enough. Good enough.

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Yeah. That explains it.

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Yep.

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So look, man, this was all part of the Podesta plan.

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Podesta plan.

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Yeah. You remember that thing from 2020?

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I was not expecting it to be this part of his plan.

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Oh, it's part of it. It's in there.

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All right.

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That's the big message here. The Podesta plan from August, 2020 said if Trump could win and

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they couldn't steal it public, they'd have blue States to see the blue cities, create racial

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uprisings and burn the country down and drive Trump from power. Then they produced a few years

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later, the film civil war that was released in the election year last year, fantasizing about

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the States coming together, marching on DC and killing Trump. Who's only protected by a secret

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service, the Trumpian figure. So they've said they're going ahead with this plan.

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Alex is making up all this shit about this supposed Podesta plan. And the only way he

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could say this stuff about that civil war movie is if he hasn't seen it or he's betting that

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everyone listening to the show hasn't probably not. The goal here is folding Charlie's murder

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into the larger plot that Alex is making his audience scared about. So the emotions that

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they have about this shooting become directed into Alex's revenue streams. This is legit,

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all exploitation, trying to own his death.

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Yep. Yep. I mean, it's the, it's the fucking fishing email of eulogies. Like this is fucked

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up. Yeah. Yeah. It's were like, I never expected it to be good. Like whatever is the response,

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but it's worse than I thought. I really didn't. I think this is what we're experiencing.

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We're not psychopath. Like this is, it genuinely makes me feel like I passed a test is like

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that response is crazy. I didn't even expect that response. That's how not a psychopath I am.

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Yeah. And it really sucks because, you know, we were coming off a time that was a little bit

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back to having some fun with Owen leaving and all that stuff. And now this is like real,

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it's a real splash of cold water on your face, reminding you that this guy is one of the most

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fucked up people who's been allowed in front of a camera. Yep. It's crazy. Yep. So on the back of

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this killing, the globalists are probably going to launch some racist false flags.

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It's a very good chance that off of the murder of Charlie Kirk,

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they've got some white supremacy drugged out MK ultra people ready to truck bombing

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legal alien demonstration or shoot up a black college or something in their future.

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And then they're going to try to create the clash and conflagration out of that.

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And that's why they're pushing this violence. And so that's why this is so

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incredibly important right now that you understand this is a bellwether event.

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This is another important piece of Alex's agenda, which is giving a preemptive storyline to any

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racist acts of violence that may come in the near future. Charlie had an audience that included a

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ton of racists and other brands of bigots. And the fact that their leader was just killed,

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couldn't cite some kind of a response up to and including other acts of violence. Alex and

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everyone in this media space understands that the odds of that have gone up because of this

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shooting. So if that happens, it's important to have reminded the audience in advance,

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not to believe anything like that could be real. It's all fake. It's all the globalists. Don't

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worry. Yep. And what Trump's doing is cool. You know, how is this at all involved? Well, I mean,

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like Charlie Kirk got shot, right? That's a crime. Trump's stopping crime. Oh, right, man.

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It's all the police state stuff, but it's not police state because they're losing.

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They need violence because the world is waking up. They need to create the chaos and have the

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mass uprising like we're Nepal or something and manipulate the youth to burn down the country.

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So there's a smokescreen to remove Trump and bring in their tyranny. Trump has deployed

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military in a few cities because of the Soros stand down, defunding the police and the Soros

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DA's. It's not a police state. In an emergency, you do that and crime has already plunged 90%

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in DC. That is a protective measure ahead of what they know is coming. Even if we accept everything

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about what Alex is saying, if we accepted stipulate that it's true, is this an acceptable

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justification for a police state? There's going to be a lot of crime in the future. So Trump has

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to move towards martial law. That doesn't sound very convincing coming from a guy like Alex.

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If this is all that it takes to justify using the military or national guard for domestic policing,

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most of the work he's done in his entire career falls apart immediately. It's just like...

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I mean, the irony of that is that it is actually disrespectful to Charlie Kirk's memory and what

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he believed in. There's a subtle problem with people pointing out his quote of the

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Second Amendment thing is because they're subtly saying, well, he didn't actually believe that.

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Because if you wanted to say, this man actually believes that, then part of this

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is respecting that this is what happens. He believed that this is what happens.

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To take him honestly and seriously is to say, this man is a result of what he believes in.

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That's being honest about what he believed in. For Alex to then take that and use it as

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justification for, let's say, overriding the Second Amendment and allowing the national

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guard to come into people's houses and grab their guns.

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What is posse comitatus?

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Maybe that's denying the memory of the person that you're trying to venerate.

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Yeah. I mean, hey, shit's crazy.

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Right?

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Nothing matters anymore.

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In even a greater sense, I am respecting his memory by not calling for the end of

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the Second Amendment in a way that Alex Jones isn't.

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Yeah. Yeah. You're passing a test weirdly here. It's awful.

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It's awful.

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So Alex passed a test too.

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Yeah.

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And that was not being mean to Charlie when everybody was so mean to him.

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That was nice of him.

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Except he was.

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Yeah, he was.

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But in closing, I just want to say we love you, Charlie Kirk.

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We wouldn't have gotten Trump in both times without you. The enemy knew that. That's why

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you were target number one. We saw Charlie Kirk the last six months being the number

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one target other than Trump in the corporate media and by the Democrats. And I said publicly,

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Charlie Kirk need to pray for him. She's in a lot of danger. And for people that spent all

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their time criticizing him because on foreign policy disagree with him, that wasn't his job.

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His job was getting people registered to vote Republican, which isn't perfect,

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but it's night and day. Compare the Democrats. And that's why I'm pleased that I follow my

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gut instinct and didn't join the bandwagon to attack Charlie Kirk.

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That's 100% not true.

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I mean.

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In 2019, Alex was joining with Nick in attacking Turning Point and Charlie Kirk,

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and even got into an argument with his then employee Millie Weaver

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about his use of Nick's branding of the term conservative Inc.

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Yep.

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Then in 2020, Owen got kicked out of CPAC, and that led to them feuding a bit with Kirk and

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Turning Point because they were seen as the anointed conservative media who were gatekeeping

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and keeping Infowars out. So all through that time, he definitely was joining in.

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Right.

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Over time, it is fair to say that Alex softened it on Kirk,

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but it's shameful for him to pretend that he never got into the mud. It's ridiculous.

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I mean, you know, when you see somebody like exploiting the death of just like a regular

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coworker in a way that's really uncomfortable, where you're like, oh,

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I knew him so well. We knew each other pretty well. And you're like, I don't know if you did,

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but whatever.

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Yeah.

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That's kind of distasteful, but it's a way of grieving maybe a little narcissistic.

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Also, the stakes are about as low as they can get.

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Sure.

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Right? This is don't do this. Don't do this.

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Would you believe it gets worse?

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My advice to people, don't do this and whatever's going to happen next. Definitely don't do that.

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Yeah. We can all preemptively just say, don't do what Alex is

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going to say later, even having not heard it. So Alex, you know, he talked to Charlie.

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Sure.

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Pretty recently. They were just shooting the shit.

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Sure.

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About like Trump and Epstein and stuff.

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Sure.

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I talked to Charlie just a few weeks ago. And about a week ago before that,

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we talked about our children. We talked about our families. We talked about the voting drive

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he was doing. We talked about how Trump's doing. We talked about how Trump was handling Epstein

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wrong. We talked about how it didn't matter because we were creating a new generation of

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leaders for local, state, and federal government. And that that was the secret that long after

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Trump's gone, we were creating the new generation of populist Christians who will restore and empower

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this Republic. And don't tell that story to run Trump down. That was just a conversation

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about, yeah, we're telling Trump. Charlie's like, man, he called me,

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we talked every month or so, but he called me a few times about a month and a half ago.

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And he was just like, man, good job. Keep it up. People at the White House totally agree with you.

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He's got to stop saying it's a, it's a hoax. We know he means what they put in the files

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that they left behind is he's the guy who blew the whistle, but my God, it's a disaster.

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Yeah. You know, keep it up. We totally agree with you. Great. Keep it up.

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They were just encouraging me. And I was like, Hey, come on the show. Y'all get you on the show.

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We both got busy. Didn't have him. They called me back about, you know, other stuff, but

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he's dead now. Yeah. And it is notable that he wasn't on the show. Isn't it?

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Pretty notable. Yeah. Almost glaring in its notability.

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Nick was on a lot, huh? He was on a lot. That's weird.

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Claring in the number of times he was on. So the two of them agreed that Trump

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mishandled Epstein stuff, but it's cool. Yeah, of course. Now it's cool.

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Well, I mean the now part is pretty doing a lot of heavy lifting in the it's cool.

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Yeah. That's disappointing. I also don't believe any of this. I mean, I maybe believe that they

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have communicated in the past, but I don't believe that they were talking once a month

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and he was saying, Hey, Alex, love what you're doing. Absolutely not. What? How could you,

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like, you know, those people who don't have pain, who don't experience pain for whatever reason,

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they have some sort of thing and you're like, Oh, I bet that would be, but it's a horrible

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existence where if they get cut, they might bleed out without even knowing about it. Like that kind

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of thing. Like every now and again, you feel like, man, I want, I wish I wouldn't feel so hard

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for other people. Yeah, you do be stoked about it because otherwise you've got this.

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Yeah. Yeah. And Charlie also, he kind of feels like, I don't know what his personal

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relationships were like, but he seems like the kind of guy who knows like,

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all right, I'm going to keep Alex at a distance. Right. I might talk to him,

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but I'm never going to be seen. Right. I don't want to be seen. Right. Right. Right.

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Alex can come yell his catchphrase as a turning point because Tucker said he was cool, but

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I'm not happy about it. Yep. So look, here's the problem with populists.

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They don't complain enough. That does sound right. As populist, as conservatives, as Christian,

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as common sense, just kind of throwback cavemen you'd call us. They want to cut our son's penises

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off. We don't want world government. We don't want to die a fentanyl. We don't worship the devil.

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We still fly old glory down at the courthouse. White light is still the greatest thrill of all.

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It's not because we haven't seen the other stuff or done the other stuff. We just know that

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the classic stuff that is what we are is what is good. It's classic because it's what works.

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It's what we are. But as populist, as Christians, we're manly. And growing up, my dad

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and his dad and my mom, all of them, they were tough. And you didn't complain. You didn't whine.

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You didn't cry with a broken bone or your ear drum blown out with the worst pain ever. Just you man

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up. Come on, get your ass kicked when you're 10 years old by three or four bullies who are older

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than you. Dad says you better fight harder next time. And then my dad would back me up when I put

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him in the hospital years later. But the point is, is that we're not victims. So we're not

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professional whiners like the left. About 40% of Alex's show is whining. And just complaining

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about bullshit. And then an extra 20% is him talking about not complaining and how he doesn't

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complain enough. So he can, this is a shocking lack of self awareness. No, I think maybe the

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dead internet theory is the secret. Maybe we're at the point now where conservatives are only

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ever complaining about themselves. And they just say the left. Yep. Or yeah, and the media,

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when they say that, they just mean Twitter. Yep. It's like they've just, things have funneled so

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tightly into a space where you're like, I don't even feel like I'm represented by what you hate

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anymore. Yeah. I think the left does not exist to them. It is. They have become so cloistered.

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Right. The only thing that like things that Pierce the are people that they can make caricatures out

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of. Right. Right. Right. Zoran Mamdani, they can make a like Muslim socialist kind of character

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out of him. And so like, Ooh, we'll bring this in. Yeah. There's no like, Oh, this is how you

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know that the left is there is because they're interested in rent control. And that's how you

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know they killed the guy. No, it's like, Oh, they're all these things we are. That's how you

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know the left. Yeah. So listen to this clip very closely. Yeah. I would say even Mike down for this

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because there's a real subtle moment where Alex makes his Freudian slip. But we're not going to

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forget Charlie Kurt. We're not going to forget all the people the left's killed. We're not going to

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forget how they tried to kill Trump. We're not going to forget the poor Ukrainian refugee they

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murdered because I understand being a winner. When bad things happen to me, I learned from it,

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but I don't talk about it. I move on because I don't live in my bad experiences. Did you say

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you move on? Move on. When shit's going bad, I get rid of Owen. I move on.

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That's funny. So, um, when I said earlier that, uh, what Alex is gonna say is even worse. Yeah.

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We have reached, this is where we're at. We have reached that point. This is,

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I mean, I don't, I don't know how you could be more just the piece of shit.

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And we need to celebrate not, not, not just remember Charlie Kirk and others,

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cause, Oh, they killed our guy. They're bad. No, we need to remember what he did, what he stood for.

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I'm Charlie Kirk founder of turning point USA and turning point action

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together, the largest conservative grassroots organizations in the country.

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Thanks to our work. I talked to a lot of young people on campuses at our events,

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on my radio show podcast and social media said differently. I visit college campuses.

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So you don't have to, that's why I pledge

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to do a college tour and who does his locations the next year. You know, we try to, before they

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protest the schools would ban us, whatever I don't care if the schools do ban us. I'm going on

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because I can't watch his example and then have them kill him and think that intimidates the rest

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of us. I have to do it. I'm going to wear your skin. Wow. Yeah. Wow. That one physically hurts me.

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't even know what to say. I I'm, I'm gonna do your thing now.

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You're you died today and I'm going to do your thing. I'm going to steal your, I'm going to

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steal your, I'm going to steal your bit. There's a space in the market now for someone.

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I feel like the number one reason that I have now for proving that ghosts aren't real is because

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conservatives would be haunting the out of each other left and right. Like if I'm Charlie Kirk,

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I'm haunted Alex. Yeah. But maybe once you die, you get like that perspective where you can see

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how funny it is. That's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking that that's why we don't think that

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conservatives haunt other conservatives because we don't realize that once you're dead,

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you have the distance to be able to look back and go like, Oh, that guy was actually the

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fucking problem the whole time. Yeah. You can see the mortal joke. You don't have the,

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yeah. You don't have the like bile and the adrenaline in you. That's going like, yeah,

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that white person's cool. No, you're dead. So you're gonna be like, ah, that guy was an asshole.

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Well, it's a lot like how the older people on the challenge aren't so violent. They have low

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testosterone. CT's got a gut. It's too, we can't be violent. I'm not that quick.

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The testosterone levels have dropped and everything is a little chiller.

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When these racist dicks become ghosts, they don't have those chemicals and stuff in them.

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I appreciate getting older for that reason. I like not having those things. Alex is older than me.

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Fucking get a handle on yourself. I think it's the supplements. It's probably the supplements.

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And by supplements, I mean drugs. We should do, we should do drugs is what we're saying.

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So, um, Alex, uh, you talked a little bit more about, uh, his plan to wear Charlie's skin around.

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Sure. So I had talks with Kirk about how he thought they were going to kill him.

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No, you didn't. So, but he lives forever folks, Viking King sword in his hand.

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And I don't say that as a bravado. I say it that I strategically held back

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all of us. You might just be a local doctor or a, or a, or a dentist or a school teacher,

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whoever you are, you should go speak your city council cash. We're not going to kill you.

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Once you get big, go try all of us. Remember the FBI coming after conservative Catholics,

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criticizing D and all that stuff. Remember coming after parents were protesting. That's

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because they they're scared of you. So don't let Charlie Kirk's death be in vain.

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They were scared of that. Let's do more of that. But I commit to you.

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I'm doing the Charlie Kirk celebration tour

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because I can't let somebody out there put more skin in the game than me. It's not a competition.

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It's about an example, but a challenge.

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And it's about them not intimidating us. Um, this is about your feelings.

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And you are gross. Yeah. I kind of hope he does do this or get like through the planning stages

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and put a lot of money into it. And then the family sues the out of them or something.

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That'd be a delight. Can't call your fucking thing the Charlie Kirk tour.

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The fuck is wrong with you? I mean, this is on the same day. Yeah, this is the same day.

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This is not like, oh, I've had some time to think about this. Here's a way to memorialize.

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This is impulsive. Yep. This is gross.

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When you, okay. So if you're watching like naked and afraid or something like that, you know, and

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they see, they show you a carcass and it's being eaten by the, by the wild, you know, there's

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bacteria, there's bugs, there's, there's scavengers, there's little things. There's all of this stuff

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going on. Right. What if instead it was just one giant, hideous, mucus covered fungus that just

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landed on top of it and sucked everything of value out of it and then bounded off to do it again to

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somebody else. That's basically what I'm watching. Right. But actually you're not because that,

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that fungus or whatever you're describing doesn't have the ability to be disrespectful.

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Right. Right. Right. Exactly. There's an added layer of this. It's got an attitude. It's a

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fungus with an attitude. Like also I don't care. Like, fuck you. Yeah. I died to feed you. At least

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care. I'm a fungus that's kind of a dick. Oh, you're a prick fungus. Yeah. And I'm going to pretend to be you

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in your honor. Oh my God. What an evil piece of shit.

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Yep. You couldn't make a movie character do that. Like every time they make,

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go ahead. Sorry. Oh no. I'm just saying every time they have like a fucking,

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uh, Spiderman, you've got your, your JK Simmons doing the whole thing. It's like,

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no, no, you don't fucking know. Yeah. The parody is to fit this movie. Yeah. The version of a real

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parody of him does not belong in any proper movie. Anywhere near a movie. No, no, no, no. I will, I will say this.

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Ooh. I don't know if I want to say this. Go ahead and say it. Too late now. Or we can edit this part out.

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I think I would follow him if he goes on a college tour.

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Are you committing? I'm not committed, but I think I might show up and just like get high at all of

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the campuses. We got to do something. I don't even smoke weed, but it would be like a going back to

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college kind of thing. I mean, if we're all going to steal something from Charlie Kirk, let's do drugs.

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If we, we should tailgate at Alan's college tour. Look, I regret that I didn't go on the caravan.

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Sure. Like I didn't go along with the caravan. So I, if this happens, I do have to make up for

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past mistakes. I, I, I would bet a lot of money that you'll be safe, but who knows? I don't think

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he's going to follow through with this, but if he does, I would love to just show up at each stop

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and give him a my man. Here's how much I will, here's how much I will bet. I will finance the

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I won't, I won't argue with him or do anything like except for yell my man. Yeah. All right.

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Hey. So, uh, Alex signs off and gives a salute, uh, to Charlie and, uh, yeah, it is, it is what it is.

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So I'm just proud to know Charlie Kirk

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and we salute him for everything he did and the hard work he committed to,

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and he lives forever. And we finally have turned the page in this chapter of the world being so

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dark and fighting this generation's tyranny. We'll look back and he'll go down the history books as

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one of the top generals in the fight for America and the future of the world for myself, the whole

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Info Wars crew and the entire audience, Charlie Kirk, the answer to 1984 is 1776. And you've got

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a salute from me, brother. You're a real man and example to all of us. And we won't let you down.

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And then he plays three minutes of ads, the fitting tribute,

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like somewhat speechless. Uh, it feels, and I, I can understand why. I mean,

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it's just a disgusting display of a, of a person. Like I, I never, I'm never super comfortable with,

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you know, especially in the immediate aftermath of something like this happening, because it's

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so out of hand, it's so out of control and the, the pieces of it are moving in such a way that

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like whatever information was available when we started recording might be different than

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what is when we're done. Absolutely. And so it's, it's really easy to make assumptions

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and get out ahead of yourself. And I don't want to do that. So it's, it's tough, right? But this,

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it really feels like it's important. And at the same time, I can't believe what Alex is doing.

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Yeah. I've, I've watched this guy for a decade and been shocked. And I've made many jokes about,

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will he ever find the bottom? And I don't know, because I'm surprised by this. Yep.

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I'm surprised how distasteful this is. Yeah. I think maybe we got lulled into a false sense

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of security because he was just so shitty and sober. Yeah. That you're like, well,

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I hadn't really considered plumbing the depths of how awful you could be sober.

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Yeah, no, I do think that there was a boring period and, and it might have, maybe we just

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needed a reminder of like what an exploitative piece of shit this dude is. Yeah. So we got it.

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Yeah. I just, I, I feel for,

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I feel for people pre watching this, you know, and then I feel if people can't see this and step into

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the light, then what, but then you're, you're there, man. That's where you are. And that's

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where you're going to stay because that's just, that's just that if you can't see that, I don't

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know what to show you. Yeah. And that's another element of this that makes me like slightly

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uncomfortable because at a certain point, this episode kind of does feel like me just being like,

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Hey, look at this awful person and, you know, playing clips and it could have the feeling of

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being like, I'm better than this guy. And I know I don't want to wallow in that or dwell on that,

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but like, to some degree, you can just play this and look at it and be like, well, it speaks for

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itself. How, yeah, how awful this is. If there is anything that we should all say again, like,

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this is, this is such a, such a Harrison Smith talking shit moment, you know, like, regardless

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of all the shit people talk, if there's anything that we can do as a society, it's be better than

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that. True. And it shouldn't even be that hard. It's a low bar. Harrison can pass it. Yeah. And

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he kind of did a little bit. Yeah. If only because Stuart Rhodes took over. Exactly. Because he was

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mercifully cut short. Yeah. So we'll be back with another episode. Hopefully one that people can

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do foreplay to as opposed to this bummer. But until then we have a website. Indeed we do.

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It's knowledgefight.com. Yep. We'll be back. But until then I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark. I am

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the mysterious professor. And now here comes the sex robots. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air.

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Thanks for holding. Hello Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work. I love

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you.