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["Lil'
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Dov."
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by The Bachelorette plays in the background as he's talking to the audience.]
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Knowledge Fight.
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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
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Knowledgefight.com.
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It's time to pray.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying,
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we are the bad guys.
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Knowledge Fight.
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Dan and Jordan, Knowledge Fight.
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Stop it.
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Andy and Kansas.
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Andy and Kansas.
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It's time to pray.
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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding us.
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Hello Alex, I'm a 16-color and a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
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I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes.
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I like to sit around worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are, Dan.
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Dan, quick question for you.
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today buddy?
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Well I would like to say for my bright spot, I'd like to open with a poem.
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Okay.
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All right.
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And I'd like for you to try to guess who I'm reading the work of.
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Okay.
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Uh, I'm the professor and all I can tell you is while you're still sleeping, the saints
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are still weeping because things that you call dead have yet, haven't yet had the chance
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to be born.
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Hmm.
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Don't know.
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Isn't that heavy though?
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It is.
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You know, you're sleeping, the saints are weeping.
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Yep.
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Because things that you call dead.
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Right.
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Haven't had a chance to be born.
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Is this Doctor Who?
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No.
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Oh.
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Scatman.
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Because of our conversation on the last episode I went back-
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Have you recently gotten a tattoo?
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No.
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I, I was pretty close.
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Okay.
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Because of our conversation on the last episode, I went back and I was listening to Scatman.
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And that's, that's a lyric in Scatman.
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Yeah.
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Just his big hit.
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Sure.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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The part I cut out was the line right before that is, I hear you all ask about the meaning
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of scat.
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Well, I'm the professor and all I can tell you is while you're still sleeping, the saints
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are still weeping.
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Because things you call dead haven't yet had the chance to be born.
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I'm the scatman.
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Is he talking about scat?
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Yeah.
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Is scat something that hasn't, that you think is dead, but hasn't really been born yet?
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I don't know.
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Is that what we're, I think-
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It's so much more philosophical than, than it has any business being.
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I think that, yeah, I think that's, to me that's my reading of it.
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Sure.
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My interpretation there.
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Anyway, I fell down a deep hole of watching Scatman videos.
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You fell down a scat hole, if you will.
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I don't know if I had ever seen this video before.
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I might have and just forgot, but even if I had, it delighted me so much.
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So Scatman was huge in Japan.
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Right.
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Right?
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His career really took off huge over there.
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Great.
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So there's a video on YouTube of a Japanese show where there's a guy doing a Scatman impression.
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Oh boy.
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And he's, he's doing like karaoke of Scatman.
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Right.
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And then the Scatman comes out.
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Okay.
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The place goes crazy.
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I mean, we're talking like 1998 Stone Cold Steve Austin pop.
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Like they lose their shit.
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They're so excited to see the Scatman.
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I love, here's what I love about that.
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I don't think if the Scatman walked out, I would be able to tell who it was.
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Yeah, you would.
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They were all instantly like, that is the Scatman.
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The hat and the mustache.
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You'd know.
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Well, there is the hat and the mustache.
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And he's going skibbity doobity doobity doobity doo.
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Right.
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But I mean, I wouldn't know if that was for sure the Scatman.
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It could have been a Scatman.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think at that time and place, that was the Scatman.
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Pretty sure about it.
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But what I was, what I, what I was re-feeling all over again was this pure delight.
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Like there is something that is so happy about seeing this.
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Everyone's so happy to see him when he comes out and then he's going skibbity doobity doobity doobity doobity doo.
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And like, I don't think that scat singing is dumb.
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Sure.
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And I don't think that it's not an art form and a jazzy kind of thing.
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Sure.
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But I also think it's very funny.
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It is.
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Without question.
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Yes.
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Very funny.
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To have a, a little, a little chunk like that right before and after, skibbity diddy, skibbity diddy, what's this?
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We are just getting, yeah, that's...
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Huh?
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The scene is still weeping.
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Yeah.
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That one's, that one's a little bit tough to, to just juxtapose.
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Yeah.
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He's got some heavy fucking lyrics and then skibbity bided by.
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I love it.
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I've, I've rediscovered that, what it was about him that I loved.
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Yeah.
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Just a pure delight.
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What we need is for...
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Do you remember the Grey album?
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Here's what we need.
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We need Danger Mouse to get on it
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and have Scatman do Disintegration by The Cure.
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Match the two of those up.
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I'm into it.
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Now we're talking.
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I also watched an interview with him
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where it was with MTV Europe or something.
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Sure.
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And he's just like clearly in a place where it's like,
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why the fuck am I talking to MTV?
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Why do they want to talk to the Scatman?
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Agreed.
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Yeah.
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I never thought I'd be famous.
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Skibbity bibbity bibbity.
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I mean, for what he did, for what he makes,
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that he is world famous is absolutely absurd.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And he explained that what he does
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is you turn your voice into a musical instrument.
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Right.
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No, I understand.
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You're like doing a jazz solo, but with your mouth.
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Yeah.
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If you stop and you go like, Weird Al is a global superstar,
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it does seem to confuse you just a little bit.
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He's great.
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He's great.
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Fantastic.
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Global superstar seems maybe a little bit high.
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I think that there's something that's even more
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funny about the Scatman.
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Well, absolutely.
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Well, I still must insist I'm not joking about liking him.
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I think he's great and an inspiration to people
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with speech impediments.
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And he seems like a fine human being, but it is funny.
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It's a funny style of music.
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What you going to do?
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What's your bright spot?
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My bright spot is, if you remember
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how my dry weed vaporizer busted,
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and then they sent me a new one?
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Well, the company came out with a new version,
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all technologically advanced.
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Shit.
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All that kind of stuff.
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And as I saw that, I was like, this is what,
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like I had this brief moment of, this
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is what capitalism is about.
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Right?
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I bought a thing.
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It worked.
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Awesome.
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The company took care of me.
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Great.
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They come out with a new thing.
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I go, you know what?
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I'm already ahead.
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I like you guys.
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Went and bought it.
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That simple.
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That's like the high of capitalism.
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Well, that's kind of, and as a consumer experience,
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it's like you're being kind of fucked,
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but also you're like, all right, but good enough.
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No, no, no.
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You and I, we've got a thing going on.
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Yeah, this is about as good as we're going to get as a company.
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Yeah.
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Right, right, right.
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We're entering into a business relationship
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that I feel like, you know what?
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We're both fine.
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You know, that kind of thing.
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That does not happen very often anymore.
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No, not really.
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No.
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Feels very one-sided most of the time.
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Unique to the weed business.
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I don't know what it is, but man, this
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was like the first time I've been like, I'm already ahead.
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This is a luxury purchase.
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And it was great.
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So what are the new features?
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It's got different heating temperatures,
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and the thing is on the side instead of the bottom,
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and it can hold more.
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You know, whatever.
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It's the same thing, but better.
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Heating temperature, it just sounds like wine snobbery.
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I mean, no, exactly.
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It's the same thing, but probably a little bit better.
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The point is not that the thing is so much better
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I had to buy it.
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Yeah.
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The point is they earned it.
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Yeah, good for them.
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Good for them.
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Your bright spot has made me think of two things.
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One is that I should just go ahead and get a scat man tattoo.
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But then the second is that I should start smoking weed
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again just so I could only talk in scat whenever I smoke.
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So if I get high, you'll know because I'll just
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be only saying ba da da da, bop bop bop.
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OK, all right.
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All right, I accept this.
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I accept this new you.
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If this is the direction that you want to go down,
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I don't know if our professional relationship
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will last too much longer.
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Well, I don't think I would get high before the show.
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Oh, OK.
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OK, good.
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I can't host this as Beaker.
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Excellent.
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But I can live as Beaker.
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OK.
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All right.
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So today we've got a little episode to go over.
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All right.
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Just talk about a little bit of something.
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OK.
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And that is August 12, 2025.
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Sure.
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As Alex's continuation of justifying the police state
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that Trump is unleashing.
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Totally normal.
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In DC continues.
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But things take a bit of a departure on the 13th.
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Because that's the day that Alex's court case,
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the court decides that they can liquidate info wars.
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Right, right, right.
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There's another federal occupation brewing,
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if you will.
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Right.
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But state courts.
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State court, yeah, whatever.
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Whatever you like.
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So there's a little bit of a pivot
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that happens, which we'll discuss that breaking
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on the next episode.
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But for now, I just wanted to dwell a little bit
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in the space before that becomes an influence.
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And Alex is still just responding to Trump's actions.
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Right.
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In DC.
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So we'll get down to this little minisode.
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But first, let's say hello to some new wonks.
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Oh, that's a great idea.
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So first, roses are red.
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Alex is a drunk.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And congratulations to the second annual winner
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of the Knowledge Fight Fantasy Football League, Sex Robots.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And give five more examples.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And we got a technocrat in the mixture.
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So thank you so much to Noel.
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If Dan pronounces Gruink correctly, you win bingo.
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I hope this technocrat shout out gets
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you higher than the hemline of some hoochie daddy shorts.
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I wish everyone could have a boss as cool as you.
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Hold fast.
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Summer is about as dead as the woke mind virus.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you.
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Yes, thank you very much.
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I'm sure I'm wrong.
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Do you know how to pronounce that?
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Nope.
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No clue.
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G-R-E-W-I-N-G-K. It's really like Peter or something.
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I read it.
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And I was just thinking as you read that one, I was like,
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I wonder if I ever read the exact middle four or five
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words.
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Because if you were trying to sneak something in
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and you put it in the exact middle of a block of text
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and there's about four or five words,
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you probably get away with it.
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Because I remember that.
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Don't tell people that.
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Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no.
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Never mind.
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We're going to try and sneak all kinds of crazy shit.
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Never mind.
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I read it all very, very specifically.
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And I cold read.
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So we're going to start here on the 12th.
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And Alex has been getting a little bit of feedback
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about his show on the 11th, where he was very
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into what Trump is doing.
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Pro police state.
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Yeah, because people are like, hey, man, that you.
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You can't do that.
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That's, you're like a police state guy.
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That's your thing, yeah.
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I've had a lot of talk show hosts reach out to me.
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I've seen a lot of clips of other talk show hosts
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attacking me and saying Alex Jones was Mr. Anti-Police
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State, Alex Jones was the one always talking
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about the military being deployed in the future
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and how there was this big menace in all the films I made
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and books I wrote on it.
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And then suddenly he's supporting what ICE is doing.
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And he's supporting the deployment of the National
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Guard to DC and Chicago if needed.
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Why he's betrayed his values.
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I have done no such thing.
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I completely understand why Alex would say this.
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The alternative is accepting the criticism
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that he's entirely abandoned and betrayed
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the only thing his career was supposed to be based on.
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And that is a hard pill to swallow.
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As it stands, Alex has three paths in front of him,
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depending on how he wants to respond to Trump's very clear
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police state moves.
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The first is to say that Trump is doing all the shit
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he claimed the globalists were going to do
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and that he's the villain this story was building up
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to all along.
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Alex isn't interested in doing that,
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so I'm going to ignore that path for now,
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which leaves us with two.
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That means he gets to choose between one,
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accepting that his position has changed on what the police
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state means and explaining to the audience
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how it's OK for Trump to do all this stuff that was so
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evil for other people to do, or two,
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gaslight the audience into thinking
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this isn't what he meant by the words police state.
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I've listened to thousands of hours of Alex talk
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and make it as clear as possible.
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Alex has betrayed his principles.
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And when you reflect on that a little bit,
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it becomes clear that these weren't principles
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to begin with.
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They were branding elements.
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I know that it's easy to just say this,
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but in order to illustrate what I meant,
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I want to go back to Alex's film, Police State 2000,
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and see what he said then.
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What was the fear then, back when
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he was taking the time to produce
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a coherent message about the horrors that were to come?
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And what can we learn by comparing that to now?
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Sure.
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So I would like to transport you back in time
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to the beginning of Alex's documentary, Police State 2000.
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Does he have to edit it?
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Does he have to make new special edition versions where
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he edits in a little chunk where it's like,
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unless Trump does this, it's easy?
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He should.
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Yeah, that'd be fine.
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You should talk to George Lucas about that.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Put a little, yeah.
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So here is where we're at at the beginning of that documentary.
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In the next two hours, you will see hardcore documentation,
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evidence that is irrefutable that America
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is turning into a nightmarish police state, cameras
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on the street corners, mass checkpoints
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on our major interstate highways, warrantless searches.
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But worst of all, you'll see America's military
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being perverted, being turned into an instrument of control,
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not an instrument of defense.
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So in that introduction, Alex presented four main things
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that represented the United States being put
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into a nightmarish police state, cameras on street corners,
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checkpoints on the highway, warrantless searches,
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and the military being used for domestic control
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instead of defense.
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Obviously, all of those things are currently happening,
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and Trump is accelerating.
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DC has a network of 28,000 public and privately owned
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cameras that feed into a master feed at their real time crime
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center, something that's under the control of the Metropolitan
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Police Department.
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It was launched last April, and now Trump
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has taken over the MPD and has the ability
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to abuse the surveillance tool, which
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includes drones, license plate readers,
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and all kinds of stuff far beyond cameras
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on street corners.
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Wasn't this the fucking plot of The Dark Knight?
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What is happening?
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Well, it's part of the plot of The Dark Knight.
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Or Batman Begins?
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No, which one?
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Even in the movie, they're like, hey, seriously,
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this cannot exist.
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I know you think it's important now,
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but really, we've got to burn this shit to the ground.
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Yeah, and look, I'm not here to say
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that Trump is fully responsible for the creation of this tool
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or whatever, but he has now taken control of it,
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and you'd be a fool to think that it isn't being used.
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Yeah, he's the Joker.
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Yeah.
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So in his documentary, Alex is saying
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that the feds are putting checkpoints on the highway,
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but I'm not sure if the highway part of that
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is all that important.
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Trump's feds are putting up tons of checkpoints around DC,
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indiscriminately stopping vehicles
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and asking for identification to prove
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people's immigration status.
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There is no way for Alex to not think
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that this is the government viewing people as guilty
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until they prove themselves innocent,
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and it's the feds doing it.
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So this one, I think, is checked off the list.
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So what you're saying is that if a heavily armed man forces you
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to stop through the threat of violence,
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then forces you to identify yourself, again,
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through the threat of violence, then this would somehow
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be a police state.
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Or the threat of detention, perhaps, and maybe not violence.
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Yeah, sure, sure.
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Metaphorical violence.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Splitting hairs.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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I don't know.
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Feels like it.
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So the third qualification is warrantless searches, which are
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happening all over the place.
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The definition of probable cause has been stretched past
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the point of its breaking point.
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And yeah, there's plenty of people
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who are being detained, seized, searched without warrants.
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Generally speaking.
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ICE has the, like, oh, they look on white probable cause now.
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That's it.
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Finally, Alex points to a perversion of the military
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into being a tool of control, not defense.
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The National Guard from DC has been called out,
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but troops have also been sent from six states to patrol DC.
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And just the other day, people reported that many of them
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are carrying guns.
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Great.
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There is no way that the current situation
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doesn't qualify for Alex's definition
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of a nightmarish police state.
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At least that was the case back when
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he was making police state branded movies.
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Right.
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And so I think from this introduction,
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it's pretty clear, pretty clear that his position
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has changed significantly.
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I can't imagine, like, what states are we talking about?
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Like, I can't imagine being a National Guardsman
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from fucking Tennessee in DC going like, yeah,
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I should be here.
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This makes perfect sense.
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Right?
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Well, you need to expand your mind.
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That's crazy.
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You need to start thinking about the mission and the country.
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Man, that's nuts.
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We haven't even gotten to the, I mean,
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Trump is making it so he can't burn the flag.
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Has he?
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Just the other day.
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Really?
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We'll talk about that later.
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What?
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Yep.
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Why?
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Did we just now need to solve that?
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Yeah, it was a real problem.
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OK.
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I mean, I understand that if this was, I guess, 1981,
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we would be more interested in this finally being solved.
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Yeah.
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So Alex goes on to talk a little bit more.
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This is still from the Police State 2000 documentary.
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Gotcha.
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I have footage, and you're going to see it,
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of Marines engaging in mock gun confiscations,
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kicking in doors, setting up concentration camps,
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and working with foreign troops from China, Russia, Britain,
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Australia.
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It's incredible, my friends.
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And you've got to face up to it.
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I've got to face up to it.
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And we've got to take action.
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But perhaps worst of all is the Delta Force, Army
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Special Operations from Fort Bragg, North Carolina,
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slamming into South Texas towns during Operation Last Dance.
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Buildings ablaze, power lines down, live fire exercises,
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the citizenry terrorized.
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Again, this isn't some foreign country.
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This is America.
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Psychological warfare against the population.
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So Alex is talking about footage that he
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has of military doing training exercises meant
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to simulate urban environments that they
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might be deployed to in the war on terror.
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You mean like DC?
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Sure, at this point.
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I think war sucks and that we shouldn't do it.
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But we're living in a world where if you have a military,
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you better make sure that that military has been trained.
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They better be training.
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Yeah, if you're going to have a military,
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an untrained military, very clearly worse than at the very
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least a trained military.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And so the premise of like, oh, look
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at these military training drills, they're so awful.
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They must also contain, get rid of the military.
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Yeah.
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Otherwise, you just want them to be like shooting from the hip.
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Yeah, an incompetent military is below competent military
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in preferences of, you know.
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It's a real danger.
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I mean, militaries are dangerous to begin with.
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But a wild one is.
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I mean, essentially, well, in a sense,
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if you wanted to get rid of the military,
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an untrained one would probably eventually get rid of itself.
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That's true.
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They would lose some battles.
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They would lose a lot of, yeah.
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Yeah.
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So Alex plays games with the videos of these exercises
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because the folks of the military
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gets to role play as the people being detained
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are often white Americans.
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So it looks like the troops are being
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taught to attack people that Alex believes
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should be safe from oppression.
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It's like a Craigslist ad for acting, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Or someone who knows someone at the base or whatever.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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It's a bending of optics.
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But even beyond that, his premise
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is that training exercises are a perversion of the military
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and proof of a nightmarish police state.
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What's going on in DC is not training.
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This is active.
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This is a thing that's happening.
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Yeah.
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He should be able to recognize the difference in severity.
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If training exercises are nightmarish police state,
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where are we now?
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Well, I mean, in a way, aren't we all always training?
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You know, like, we're all attempting to get better.
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So this is, in a way, a training exercise.
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Hey, you know what?
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Training them that it's OK to occupy a better us.
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I'm down with that.
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Yeah.
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As a fan of lifelong learning, you've convinced me.
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It's an optimistic viewpoint.
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Yeah.
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So we have one more clip from the intro to Police Day 2000.
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Why are armored personnel carriers
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being delivered every week to small towns and big cities,
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not for the military, but for police?
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Why is the military training with our police?
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And what's happening?
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My friends, this is the battle for the republic.
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The enemy is not our police, and it's not our military.
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It is those that would pervert and twist the sacred oath
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that our peace officers and military folks
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have sworn to uphold.
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That is to defend our country from enemies,
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foreign and domestic.
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It's up to you.
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This whole criminal system, this whole undertaking
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that we see unfolding before our eyes,
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is done through ignorance.
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It's up to you to educate the cop that lives next door to you
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or to talk to your friend who's a captain or a colonel
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or a general or a private in the United States military.
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It's up to you to educate them about what's happening
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and refresh their memory about history.
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We are repeating what happened in 1933 Germany.
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My friends, it's up to you.
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So different vibe.
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Well.
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Well.
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Could sense a whole lot of differences.
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Oh.
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Yeah.
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You know, in a way, it's like, this makes me frustrated,
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not with Alex, but with his opening talk about how
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other radio hosts or whatever, you know, whoever it is.
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People are saying he betrayed his principles.
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Right.
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Right, right.
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He's responding to them in a kayfabe.
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You know, like, I never betrayed my principles,
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that whole concept.
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Because the truth is, like, he could stop and look at all
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of them and go, none of us believe in any of this shit,
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man.
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None of us ever believed in any of this shit.
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We sell ED pills.
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That's who we are on the inside.
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We would say anything to sell those fucking boner pills.
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Right.
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Well, I mean, you know, not let anything
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other than, like, hey, let brown people live here.
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Yeah.
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You know, selling ED pills while maintaining
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a social hierarchy.
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Two birds with one stone.
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Right.
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As long as those two masters are served, then good.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, no, totally.
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I mean, like, the most understandable response
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Alex could have to, like, criticisms
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that he has betrayed his principles,
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like, I have principles.
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Right.
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I didn't betray anything.
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I made movies.
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I thought this was fun.
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It was fun.
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Yeah.
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And then I got rich, and now it's not fun.
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It's not fun anymore.
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It's not fun anymore.
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I have to defend Trump?
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Why?
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What am I doing?
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This is crazy.
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He covered up Epstein shit.
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I should be talking about butter.
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I don't even know what I'm doing at this time.
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I killed Gene Hackman.
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Oh my god.
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What?
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Anyway.
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Yep.
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Alex decides that his approach to this
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is going to be defending Trump and his actions in DC
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on the basis of there's so much crime.
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Right.
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Which I think is the worst angle he could take.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I've got every day countless videos
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of car chases, murders, shootings, home invasions.
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And sure, it's interesting stuff.
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If it bleeds, it leads.
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I don't even show it most of the time,
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because it would just take the whole show up.
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You know all about it.
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They had a bunch of tractor trailers stolen in Los Angeles
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last night or not before.
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And huge high speed chases and crashes,
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and the cops couldn't get them.
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I mean, I've got like seven or eight other videos
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in Texas of high speed chases with illegal aliens yesterday.
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I mean, I can't even keep track of this.
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Alex may have seen a ton of videos, stuff posted
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to Twitter, but he doesn't know what any of it is.
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And he can't report any of this stuff accurately.
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Right.
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So in LA, there weren't a bunch of tractor trailers stolen,
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leading to a ton of crashes that ended up
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in all this kind of crazy shit.
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Two guys stole a pickup truck, and then they led the police
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on a bit of a chase.
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They ended up driving down the wrong way on the highway,
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and they stopped a semi truck by blocking traffic.
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So then they had a gun, so they stole the semi,
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which was hauling something.
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But no one really knew what it was.
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Oh my god.
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This created a really touchy situation,
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where it could be a huge truck full of gasoline
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or some kind of toxic chemical.
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So it had to be more or less treated
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like a giant possible bomb.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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This is a borderline explosive.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So now we have a car chase with a,
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we don't know what's in this tank exactly.
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It could be pallets of concrete, or it could be explosions.
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You'll never know.
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It was a cylindrical tube.
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Oh, that's the worst kind.
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You would assume it was a liquid.
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I don't want that kind of tube.
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So it could be explosive, or it could be water.
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Sure.
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The people who were covering it from the helicopter
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and stuff were like, we don't know what's on there.
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It's crazy.
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Listen, I'm all for the stealing of the semi.
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You got to do what you got to do.
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You're in a car chase, right?
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It makes sense.
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But even if I'm in the middle of a car chase,
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if I see one of the tubes, I'm like,
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ah, I can't steal that one.
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I'm not prepared to take responsibility
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for whatever happens next.
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This could go bad so fast.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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And like, I think.
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I just wanted a pickup truck, man.
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Like, if you assume that it's possibly
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like radioactive material or something too,
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you don't want to take responsibility for that.
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I just was stealing a truck.
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Just stealing a truck, man.
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I don't want to hurt people that bad.
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This all got out of hand.
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Yeah.
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So the chase went on for a while before the carjackers pulled
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up under an overpass, and they fled on foot.
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And then they stole another truck.
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Nice.
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All in all, the chase went on about an hour and a half,
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and the police did not end up catching them,
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which is insane.
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Hell yeah!
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Hell yeah!
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Get it!
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Get it!
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See, I think I understand what that reaction is,
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because it's nuts that they stole this semi-truck
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and managed to get away.
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But it also started with them carjacking someone.
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No, I understand.
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So it's not like.
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No, no, no.
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This is an issue.
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I understand all of this.
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This is not a, ah, they got away.
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Listen, here's the problem.
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This isn't Smokey and the Bandit.
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Here's the problem.
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Car chases really probably shouldn't happen at all, right?
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Like, when we get down to it, they're probably just more
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dangerous than being like, you know what?
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Your car has a tracking device.
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We'll catch it tomorrow.
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I think studies have shown that they're not necessarily.
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Everybody's doing a bad job once we're into the car
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chase part of it.
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I appreciate that the pre-car chase part of it,
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you've got to face consequences for that.
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The spectacle is pretty amazing.
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Pretty great.
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When you fuck around and steal a semi-truck.
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I mean, and when?
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Oh, that's America is what that is.
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Yeah.
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When you successfully make two transfers between vehicles
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while the police are chasing you, that's insane.
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That's crazy.
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Yeah, that's an inspiration in some ways.
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So as far as I can tell also, this is great news for you.
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Your heroes have not been arrested at this point.
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I don't know.
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They should probably say something
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about that carjacking.
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Sure.
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And at gunpoint, stealing a semi from somebody.
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Sure, but that was, again, that was extenuating circumstances.
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And the third car.
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This third car is, you might as well steal the third car.
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Sure, might as well.
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It's all nuts.
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This is all crazy stuff.
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But I don't know if this justifies martial law
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or calling out the National Guard.
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Like this is, yeah, sure, that's a spectacle.
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That's a huge, crazy car chase thing in LA.
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But I don't think you need the National Guard because of this.
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Well, even, so even if you want to say that the level of danger
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is great enough to warrant a greater response,
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I don't think anything the National Guard is good at
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would not ultimately wind up with an exploding semi truck,
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right?
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Sure, sure.
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Like that's what they're good at, and they're great at it.
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But also, the circumstances of this
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were not like they set out to steal that semi.
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Totally.
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It happened because it was right there
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when they were fleeing in the truck
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that they stole that maybe was running out of gas or something.
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Right.
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The danger of someone stealing a semi
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is exactly the same as it was every other day
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before that and after.
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This was a freak set of circumstances
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that ended up in this.
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And I don't think any greater law enforcement
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would be able to stop you from being in that moment.
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It's just an upgrade in weaponry, right?
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And a lack of what?
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Useful training?
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In terms of being able to stop any sort of violent crime
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within a city that's like a thing that's happening,
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what training does the National Guard
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have that they could rely on to help solve these problems?
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Cognitive therapy?
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They chat with people?
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I mean, well, you know.
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I'm glad our National Guard is learning multiple skills.
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Yeah, no, I don't know.
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I don't know.
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It's strange to me that this is the angle that Alex is taking.
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Yeah.
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It's like, well, look at this.
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Crime.
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We have to do this.
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What?
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How much crime?
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What level?
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OK, how about this?
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What amount of the population has
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to be actively engaged in a criminal act
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to justify the National Guard being called in?
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Like, if 30% of DC was committing
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a crime against another 30% of DC, would that be like,
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hey, listen, we need to call the National Guard in for this?
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Well, I don't know if that number is meaningful
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because you could just change the definition of who
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is committing a crime in order to get to that 30 if you want.
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OK, that's fair.
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So I don't know if ever creating a hard and fast line
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is meaningful.
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Sure.
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Because you could just cheat a different variable.
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All right, so everybody's doing straight up murders.
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How many straight up murders are we talking before?
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It's like, we got to call the National Guard in.
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It feels like if you get to a point where you need to,
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There's no National Guard left.
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They've all been murdered.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I don't want to say this is a self-solving problem.
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It feels like that's where we're going, though.
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I think if we reach the point, I think essentially
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that you've kind of hit the nail on the head.
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If we reach the point where it makes sense
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to call the National Guard in for crime,
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we've already reached too far of a point for it
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to matter that you're calling in the National Guard about crime.
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The implications of how everything will be
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are going to be like, oh.
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I think if you reach the point where
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you need to call in the National Guard,
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the National Guard showing up is not something you'd notice.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah.
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You're too busy being murdered.
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Right.
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Right.
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So look, there's good martial law, maybe.
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Is there?
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Maybe there's good police state.
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OK.
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Maybe.
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OK.
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They have started the crisis.
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They have started the problem.
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This is not Trump with troops running checkpoints
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because you can't go outside your houses
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during a viral release like the Democrats did
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and the globalists all over the world.
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This isn't, no, no, no, no.
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This is Trump saying, OK, we'll put FBI agents on the streets.
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We'll put National Guard on the streets in the high crime
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areas just so the criminals know that there's
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a new sheriff in town and you just
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can't run around robbing and stealing and killing.
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And I mean, you understand in Illinois, in California,
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and in Washington, in Oregon, and a bunch of the places
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in New York, in DC, they've closed most of the Walgreens,
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most of the CVS's, most of the Walmarts,
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most of the targets in these cities have closed.
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John Saracen.
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People just come in and just start robbing.
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You've seen it.
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Everything off the shelves because the DAs
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won't prosecute them.
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They pass laws in states where you're only
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allowed to steal $3,000 a day in one state, another state.
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You can steal $5,000 per store.
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That's nice.
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That's a good deal.
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And then the sport of shoving white people in front
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of subway trains.
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Interesting.
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And the knockout game, 15 to 1, black on white crime,
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but not as determinatively.
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Remarkable.
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Oh, I think we know why the National
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Guard should be called in.
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For Alex, yeah.
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I think we know what he's thinking.
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I think that one's clear.
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So the premise of Alex's career is
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that there's no such thing as good martial law.
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There's no benevolent police state.
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They will justify their existence
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by pointing to exaggerations of crime,
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but they don't exist to solve those issues.
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They exist to consolidate power.
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His whole career was based on the idea
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that the globalists are trying to exaggerate
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the danger that the militia and extreme right wing
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movements presented as a domestic terror threat,
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because if they could justify cracking down on those groups,
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they could use that as a means of expanding their power.
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These groups would be labeled terrorists,
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so you would be fine with them having their guns taken away.
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And just like that,
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no one really has a second amendment anymore.
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But they would never come out and say
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that they just wanted to get rid of the second amendment.
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That would, it would always be sold to you
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as an extension of what they need to do
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in order to solve the huge crime problem
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that the militia people represent.
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I don't agree with Alex,
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and I think that the militia and right wing people were
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and still are a legitimate danger to public safety,
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but if you just stipulate that he's right
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and go with this premise,
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it helps you clearly see how he shifted his role
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in the media space.
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Previously, he was working to minimize the fear
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and sense of danger around these extreme right wing groups.
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And his ostensible reason for doing so
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was that if that fear was low,
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the globalists couldn't use it
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to justify launching their police state.
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They needed you to be scared
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because a scared population is more controllable.
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But if you could wake up and see that you didn't need
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to be scared of these militia people,
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you'd realize that the globalists were playing you.
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They weren't escalating police state stuff
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in order to protect you from a severe threat.
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They were exaggerating a minor threat
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in order to convince you that you needed their tyranny
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to protect yourself from it.
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Now Alex's positioning is basically reversed.
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The Trump administration is actively involved
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in exaggerating the threat of local crime
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and using that exaggerated threat
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to justify an expansion of their police state actions.
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If Alex were the same person that he was in the mid 2000s,
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then you would expect that his position would be that,
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yeah, there's a lot of crime,
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but that doesn't justify federal troops on the streets.
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Even if some of Trump's actions could be defended
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as technically legal,
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Alex would understand that they're basic violations
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of the spirit of what he stands for.
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But instead we see Alex working to amp up
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and further exaggerate the fear around Trump's rationale
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for seizing power.
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This fact tells us something important,
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which is that in the past,
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Alex was not being honest about why he was minimizing
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the danger that white supremacists and militias presented.
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He acted like the fear was being exaggerated
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by the globalists in order to use it as an excuse
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to take over, but the truth is he just likes
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white supremacists and militias.
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No matter how much violence or domestic terror
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they might carry out, he would be minimizing it
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and arguing that no federal law enforcement response
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would be appropriate.
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On the flip side of the coin,
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Alex views local crime in urban areas
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as being something that's mostly being done
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by black people.
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So police state actions being carried out
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against these populations doesn't bother him.
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He's not part of that group.
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He doesn't feel like it's going to affect him.
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So he doesn't care.
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The whole premise of his career hinges on
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a police state affects all of us.
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No matter what it's being done, it affects all of us.
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And that's just not true.
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He does not believe that.
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That is rhetoric that he has deployed.
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When shit's targeting groups that he doesn't feel
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like he's a part of, or he feels safe
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from the tyrannical power, he's all in favor of it.
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You know, the thought occurs to me.
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In the abstract, I understand that the phrase
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technically legal can be neutral, right?
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In practicality though, I have never heard
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technically legal used in any way other than
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these people are screwing you over
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and it's technically okay.
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Yeah, legal technicalities are often,
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they're rarely the underdog story
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of someone getting away with something
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that is fine and benevolent.
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It's usually like,
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oh, we wrote this into the law to fuck you
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because you're not allowed to be in, yeah.
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You think you should be able to stop this, but you can't.
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You can't, isn't that crazy?
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Yeah.
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So I just, I find his position a bore, honestly.
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I think that this is, anybody who has engagement
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with Alex's career, anybody who has enough experience
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with what he believes, what he's put out,
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seeing his early work, believes words mean things,
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anybody who has, this is just self-defeating.
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It's, and it is boring.
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It's terrifying and the real world is scary
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and all that does mean something
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and I don't wanna minimize that.
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But Alex's response in this case is fucking boring.
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It is a tired, racist old man just being worthless.
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That's it.
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Yeah, when you think of the banality of evil,
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you tend to assume a kind of low key personality
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associated with it, but you can also be
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incredibly loud and banal.
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Yeah.
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That's what you get.
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Well, I think that this is also indicative
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of his personality has gotten way less flamboyant
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as he's gotten further and further away
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from what made him interesting.
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Okay, let me ask you this question, all right?
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Write the episode of Law and Order
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with the National Guard in it in a helping way, right?
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I got you.
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Oh yeah?
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Well, does it have to be Special Victims Unit?
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It doesn't have to be Special,
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any episode of Law and Order with the National Guard in it.
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Okay, well it would have to be in the aftermath
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of a natural disaster.
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Okay.
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Helping respond to a natural disaster.
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In an episode of Law and Order?
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Sure, yeah.
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I could see an episode of Criminal Intent,
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like maybe someone's committing a crime
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while a hurricane's happening.
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Have you seen that movie, Hurricane Heist?
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Sure, okay, that's fine, but then what's the part in Order?
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So the National Guard has to be involved
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in both Law and Order, right?
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So you got the National Guard in Law,
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they're helping people do the whole thing.
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Now they're in the courtroom,
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what does the National Guard do there?
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Hmm, well, I don't think,
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not every episode involves the Order.
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Is that true?
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Yeah.
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All right.
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It is true.
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Yeah, it is just the title.
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Yes, I'm thinking of flagship Law and Order.
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For me, the Law and Order structure is
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we spend the first 20 minutes
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with those two detectives running around
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asking people what's going on
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while they move stuff from one thing to another thing.
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Yeah.
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And then the next 20 minutes is the other guys in court
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going like, ah!
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And then a dramatic thing happens and then it resolves.
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Yeah, I don't think, I think that as the show went on,
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there was less, like those two elements.
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And they split off more.
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Okay.
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Granted, the DA would certainly still yell at the cops
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and stuff and like, what am I gonna take to the courtroom?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.
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You know, there's definitely that.
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This isn't enough or this is the wrong kind.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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Right, that character exists.
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But they went to like Law and Order trial by jury.
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What?
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That was more of the courtroom setting kind of stuff.
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Trial by, okay.
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Yeah, that was their spinoff one.
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Wild.
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Whereas like, you know, Special Victims Unit,
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Criminal Intent, those were more like
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Crime of the Week.
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Oh, I suppose you're right.
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Yeah, hmm, how about that?
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The Law and Order franchise,
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I get where you're coming from.
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They did drop the order a little bit from it.
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But-
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I was just a man who watched the first 10 season
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of Law and Order pretty consistently.
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And then now I've just dipped back in and out.
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And I guess that was 40 years ago.
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Let me flip the question back on you.
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Yeah.
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Where would you expect the National Guard
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to be in the courtroom?
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See, this is the thing.
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What I see in my head is the National Guard is with the cops
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and they're going to question somebody
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and then the cops are like, knock on the door.
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And the National Guard kicks the door in
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and grabs the people and pulls them out.
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And the cops are like, that's unconstitutional.
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And then we go to the order part and the judge is like,
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that was unconstitutional.
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I'm not allowing it.
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And then the National Guard is like, actually you are.
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And then the judge cries and then the episode is over
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and they want, yeah, exactly.
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They are allowed to do whatever they want.
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It's a bad episode.
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Yeah.
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See, I don't, I'm not sure.
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Let me call Dick Wolf.
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Dick Wolf, get on it.
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Bum bum.
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So I think that one of the things,
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I'm fine with just, my thesis is this is a bore.
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Yeah.
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This is the left creating chaos,
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creating their own form of martial law,
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which means the normal law is not being followed.
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You can have a grassroots Soros funded chaos martial law,
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or you can have one from the top
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where the regular laws and rights are suspended.
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Trump's not suspending anybody's rights.
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And everything he's done with ICE
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and everything he's doing with the National Guard
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is 100% constitutional.
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And quite frankly, if you actually study it,
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he's ramping up as fast as he can.
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But most people that are informed
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are pissed that there's not more.
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They want civil war conditions in this country.
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Now stores all over Europe, all over the US,
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all over Canada are putting locks on even TV dinner stuff.
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It's not the cologne and expensive things that are locked up.
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It's everything.
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So they've created the climate of collapse.
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They know exactly what they're doing.
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And Trump is bringing back law and order as best he can.
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So this is the childish position
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where no matter what happens, it's the left's fault.
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If Obama creates a Muslim caliphate out of the United States,
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then it's the top down left tyrannical plan.
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Obviously.
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Trump takes over DC with federal troops.
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It was just to stop the left's grassroots tyrannical plans.
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Oh, we're crazy.
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This is boring.
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So there's an interesting contrast, I think,
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in that supporting Trump doing this
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is invalidating of Alex's career.
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For sure.
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Also supporting Trump covering up the Epstein thing
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would be invalidating of his career.
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Absolutely.
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He has so much less of a problem with this than he did.
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That is a really good point.
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That is a really good point.
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And I think part of the reason is because
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he wasn't mad about Trump doing anything
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with Epstein or anything.
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He just wanted him to shut up.
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Yeah, they handled the looks wrong.
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Yeah.
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The optics were bad.
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He was super mad about like, I can't work with this.
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You're not playing your role correctly.
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He has no problem here, really.
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Because Trump's doing exactly what he should be doing.
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Showing force, being super strong, trampling on people.
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It's annoying because I feel like if you really
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just got to him, he'd be like, you know,
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DC's like the blackest city in America.
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So yeah, of course I'm fine with him putting troops in there.
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If Alex could be on some kind of truth drug
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or something like that, I imagine that's what he would.
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I'll burn down Atlanta.
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I knew it.
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I caught you, you mother.
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Yeah, I don't think that at core,
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it's that much more complicated.
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Yeah, yeah.
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It's hard to, it's hard to see, okay.
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In the past, we could kind of just figure that out.
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Context clues, you know, you can generally sense this.
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This is an actual follow through of the very core concept.
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Like, yeah, yeah.
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The core concept has been violated.
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You have to see that he doesn't believe any of this shit.
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He can't, and he didn't before.
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Or if he did before, then he needs to explain what changed.
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Like, I would accept an explanation for what changed,
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why this is okay, and one explanation that I'm not going
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to accept is crime is out of control.
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Allen's not okay.
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Because that's something that he would have made fun of
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earlier in his career.
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Some politician saying that crime is out of control.
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Are you fucking kidding?
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Yeah, of course, of course.
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So if you need more evidence
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that this has racial tinges to it.
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Oh yeah.
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It is the globalist that said they would destabilize society
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and collapse it and cause a civil war.
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Trump is trying to stop it with a show of force.
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And it's a bandaid on a bigger problem.
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We need the Soros, DA's removed.
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A bunch of them committed crimes.
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We need them indicted.
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Some of that's happening.
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We have to take politically out,
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the only lawfully, the leadership of this system.
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So here's Trump with a short analogy,
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which is totally true.
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If you walk in a restaurant and the front door's dirty
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and the floor's dirty,
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well, you know the kitchen's dirty
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and there's cockroaches walking around.
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And everybody's like, that's simple.
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Well, if a city has feces and needles and crime-
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We doing broken windows again?
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You know you're not in a safe society.
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And that's been done by design to undermine
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and demoralize us.
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That's what all of this is about.
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They admit it and take it to need or in the national anthem.
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All of it is to break your will.
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And Trump is coming and saying, no, our will is not broken.
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Our will is strong.
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So I feel like Alex should be much more worried
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about a leader sending in national guard troops
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as a show of force.
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But I guess he's really scared about crime
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in cities he doesn't live in.
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And you can tell how much of this really is
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just a racism thing and how it comes back
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to Alex's feelings of white victimhood,
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because he brings up taking a knee at football games
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as something that's breaking society's will.
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Colin Kaepernick was doing that in 2016.
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That's almost a decade ago.
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This isn't a subject that's been relevant in a long time.
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And Alex isn't even supposed to care about football.
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His mind can come up with that
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because he has strong feelings
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about feeling slighted by this.
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Because he's fundamentally racist.
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Yeah, man.
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How can you be so racist that a guy taking a kneel
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on a totally voluntarily missable thing.
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To make a statement about police brutality.
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Justifies the military showing up.
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That's wild.
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Now I know I made multiple documentaries
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about fears about the police state.
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But 10 years ago.
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10 years ago one guy took a knee
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because a lot of black people are getting murdered
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by the cops.
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And then some other people started taking a knee as well.
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Right, well that was the problem.
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Yeah, that was the problem.
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Jesus Christ.
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That's pathetic.
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So anyway, I don't really care
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about the rest of this episode.
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I just think that there's a fundamental complaint
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that Alex makes and that is that,
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hey everyone's saying that I betrayed my principles.
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If you examine his principles, it would appear that way.
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But the explanation is kind of simpler.
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And that is that there weren't principles to begin with.
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Holding him to being the guy who would be against
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an actual martial law kind of situation is foolish.
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Yeah, I mean at a certain point
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you are arguing with an illusion.
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You're no longer capable of arguing
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with a person who exists.
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Like if you are saying, oh I didn't betray my principles,
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then you are creating an illusion.
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There's no point in even discussing this.
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Yeah, and I think that that's part of the reason
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why it's more interesting
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and I think more worthy of examination.
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The time when he's dealing with the Epstein fallout
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and all that stuff.
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As opposed to this, this is kind of on its face.
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Just a like.
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Oh, I'm a racist, yeah.
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I would like civil war conditions
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in a very different sense.
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Yeah, I would like Trump to do a show of force
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using National Guard troops because there's too much crime.
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The fuck are you talking about?
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It's shocking in a sense.
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And I think that as time goes on,
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he'll definitely have to bend over in a pretzel
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and contort himself to justify
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the various things that happen.
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But you can see how much simpler it is.
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Yeah, it's like that at water quote
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in a sense of like, well, you can say
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you want separate water fountains
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or you can say that the National Guard should be in DC.
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It's up to you what you want to say,
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but they mean the fucking same thing.
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Yeah, at the end of the day.
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So we'll be back to see what happens
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when Alex's business gets liquidated.
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But for now, this is his heart and soul.
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Bared for all to see.
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Empty, self contradictory and boring.
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Anyway, we'll be back.
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Until then, we have a website.
Unknown Speaker (00:52:17.940)
Indeed we do, it's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep, we'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark.
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I am the mysterious professor.
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Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.
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And now here comes the sex robot.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex, I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
