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Dan and George. Knowledge Fight.
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Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas.
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Stop it. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas.
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Andy and Kansas. It's time to pray.
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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us.
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Hello Alex, I'm a 6-ton color and a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, worship with the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Quick question for you.
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today buddy?
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My bright spot today is that I refuse to make a full commitment on anything.
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Even this bright spot.
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Yes.
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I am not committing to this at all.
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There will be qualifiers made, but I realize that at a certain point I'm just being obstinate.
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If I don't put It's a Matter of Time on Spotify and these other platforms where people can
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actually listen to the podcast that we do.
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Yeah.
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So I'm going to do that.
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Okay.
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I'm going to make it available as opposed to some weird thing you have to find on a treasure hunt.
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Yeah.
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And I figured, hey, let's put those on Thursdays.
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Okay.
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So next Thursday, I'm speaking this into existence.
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Okay.
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Ideally our other podcast will be available for people to find next Thursday.
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All right.
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All right.
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We are what I call on time.
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Yeah.
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That's what I would say for that.
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But that's great.
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I mean, I'm glad.
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Yeah.
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Obviously.
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The issue is I think there's no deadline.
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There's no reason for us to be like, hey, let's push this out or anything.
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Sure.
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So I kind of just let it slide for a long time and now we're at the point...
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Hey.
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You know, I don't nag.
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Yeah.
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I just don't do it.
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No.
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And I hear nice suggestions from the audience and then I just forget.
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Yep.
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It happens.
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So look for that.
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Yeah.
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Good times.
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Yeah, that's great.
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My bright spot is...
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So I'm reading this book about shipwrecks and such in the past.
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Pirates.
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1700s.
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Mutinies.
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The balloons.
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Exciting.
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Very exciting.
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But there's the part in the book where everybody gets scurvy.
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Right?
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And then there's the intense descriptions of scurvy, which amount to like a human being melts.
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Like they're just all the stuff that keeps you together stops keeping you together and
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you just fall apart.
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Right?
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Like, and I suddenly felt so grateful to live in a time where I know what the cause of scurvy is.
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And that it's pretty simple.
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And it's pretty simple.
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So to the point where now I was thinking about it, I was like, if I do get scurvy, it is
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because there are far greater problems going on.
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You know, scurvy is never going to be my problem.
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My problem will be something else and scurvy will be the result of that.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I've heard of like friends of friends who have gotten scurvy.
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Yeah.
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Just because of like terrible diet.
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Exactly.
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You know, like it still is something that can happen.
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Yeah.
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But yeah, super rare.
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Yeah.
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So but if I do get scurvy, I know what the cure is.
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I'll eat some fucking vitamin C.
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If I get scurvy and I cannot cure it pretty much instantly.
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Again, too many bigger problems going on.
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See, but you're playing from an advantage because you've read this book.
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So you now probably know some of the like advanced warning signs.
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Totally.
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Whereas most of us, we wouldn't be able to diagnose scurvy.
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You'd just be like, I don't know why I'm melting.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You'd end up talking to Dr. House before you figured it out.
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Oh man, you know what the grossest thing about scurvy is, right?
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Is that the description that always gets me is that there'll be wounds that have healed
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like 20 years on that'll suddenly reopen.
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Like that's so terrifying.
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On healing?
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Yes, you melt.
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So that's no good.
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Yeah, that's no good.
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Yeah.
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Um, I was thinking about rabies yesterday.
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Yeah.
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We're having a disease-y day yesterday.
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Well, I went over and hung out with Angela Lampsbury.
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She had had a bat in her house.
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Oh shit.
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And I was thinking about how it wouldn't worry me if there was a bat in my house cause like,
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worst case scenario, one, it's a vampire.
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True.
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And I don't care.
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Yeah.
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You'll move on.
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Yeah.
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I have plenty of blood.
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It can have some.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And then the other is that it could have rabies.
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Right.
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And I realized I wasn't scared of that because I think it might be kind of fun to go crazy.
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Like to have the rabies and just go entirely nuts.
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Okay.
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I would be with you because I normally I would be with you.
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I see where you're going.
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Here's what scares me the most about that.
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Hydrophobia.
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Right.
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You're actually afraid of water.
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Yeah.
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That's crazy.
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It is.
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But imagine what that feels like.
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Exactly.
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That's terrifying to me.
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Sure.
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Get it away from me.
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Like I am a vampire.
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Yeah.
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I know I'm wrong on this.
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Probably.
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I accept that I'm wrong.
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I don't think we need a group of people to like, hey rabies is bad for you.
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Yes.
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But it takes me back to my old hallucinogen days.
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Yeah.
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Like what would that be like?
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Just to experience hydrophobia for a second.
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Yeah.
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It's a privileged position that I'm speaking from as somebody who's not experienced rabies.
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I need to experience all mind-altering substances and some of those include rabies.
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So is this a good book though?
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Yeah.
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It's pretty good.
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Okay.
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It's all right.
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Did you as a child dream of finding a shipwreck?
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Did I dream of finding a shipwreck?
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No.
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I was more an air guy.
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Boats are no good.
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But what are you going to find in terms of air wrecks?
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Uh no.
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Those are all on the ground.
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But I'm more interested in planes so I was less into anything about boats.
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I would be like, no those are, you're underwater and on top of water?
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No get out of there.
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Get out of there.
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No good for you.
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So you were more like thinking about planes?
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I would be more interested in finding a wing or something.
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If I saw a shipwreck I'd be like, I gotta get out of here.
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There's demons in there.
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I guess because I spent some time growing up in Hawaii.
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It was in the ocean all the time.
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Oh that's a good point.
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Maybe that was something that was so much more visceral for me.
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The dream of finding a boat.
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Ah that's...
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Buried, sunken treasure.
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I was raised in central Illinois so the water was a long way away from us.
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Yeah there's no pirate boats in the lake.
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Nope.
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Nope.
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So Jordan today we got an episode to go over.
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Okay.
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And we're gonna do something a little off track.
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Okay.
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Because we need to.
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Just for everyone's health and sanity.
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Yeah.
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And we'll get to what that is in a moment.
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But first let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.
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Oh that's a great idea.
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So first, Dungeon Mistress.
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I'm so glad you got to quit your job to play D&D full time.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next the technocrat drop is my lord's prayer.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And shout out to Garrett, Jummy, and the rest of my silly little guys from Keira Lill.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
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So thank you so much to Dr. Mar.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser.
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Little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you very much.
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So there's a lot happening in the world.
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Elon Musk is backtracking on his tweets about Trump being a pedophile.
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Sure.
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They got back together.
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That's nice.
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Well, at least that simmering boil has come down to a lower temperature.
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So the world didn't change necessarily.
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Trump has sent Marines to fight against protests in LA.
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That certainly should be against Alex's, his preferred things.
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Probably.
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But there's just too much going on.
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And to calm heads, I felt like we should do something that is a little bit sillier.
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Okay.
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If we're going to have a third episode in a week, you know, obviously two of the present day,
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one of something else, it's good balance.
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Okay.
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And I happened to find an interview that Alex did back in the day in 2004.
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All right.
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That somehow had missed our coverage.
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And this is a celebrity.
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It's a pretty big celebrity.
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Oh no.
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2004.
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Yeah.
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I want to see if you can guess.
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My first instinct?
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My first instinct.
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And I don't know why.
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Bette Midler.
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No.
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Okay.
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Well, I think I know why.
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Okay.
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Wasn't she managed by Alex's buddy, Aaron Russo?
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I don't know.
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I think she was.
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I think that would actually be a pretty good guess.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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No, it is not Bette Midler.
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It's someone who was on celebrity rehab.
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Well, unfortunately I never watched it.
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It's not a Baldwin.
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Is it a Baldwin?
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It's not a Baldwin.
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But he has had a Baldwin on before.
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Let me tell you, I don't know if he...
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I would bet no.
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Okay.
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This is a person who it's surprising is talking to Alex,
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but also is totally not surprising that he's talking to Alex.
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And I've given away that it is he.
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Right.
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Someone who's on celebrity rehab.
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Someone who is famously in an accident.
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Busey?
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Yeah, it's Gary Busey.
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Oh, that makes sense.
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Yeah.
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They should be together in 04.
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They should be like dating.
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You should see them at a cafe and they both are talking to each other about completely
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as though they're absolutely having a conversation.
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And we're going to see a little bit of that.
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I imagine so.
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Yeah.
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So Gary Busey and Alex Jones were brought together, I believe by Kevin Booth,
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the producer who also was the catch of tissue between him and Rogan.
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I think this might have been also in the context of Kevin Booth's drug documentary.
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Right.
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When they went to that sushi date with Rogan in LA.
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Yes.
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Because they're in Malibu at Gary Busey's house overlooking the ocean.
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Gorgeous, gorgeous beachfront property.
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Gary Busey is fiddling around with a cigar.
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What are any of us doing here?
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Yep.
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I don't know why this interview happened.
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All right.
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I don't know what it achieves other than Alex is talking to a very crazy celebrity.
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So here's where we'll start with Alex asking Busey about the New World Order.
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All right.
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Gary, from your study of the New World Order, because I'd like to get your angle on it,
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what do you think about this global system?
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Oh, I think it's primitive in many ways.
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I had a trip to the other...
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I think it's primitive in many ways, simply because the experience I had December 4th, 1988.
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I went off to Harley Davidson.
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It begins.
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Without a helmet, I hit head first and butt first into a curve.
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Split my skull and put a hole in it that big, my skull, and I had massive brain surgery.
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Cedars-Sinai, 1-15.
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PM, Sunday afternoon, December 4th, by Dr. Lauren Houghton.
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And he told me if I'd been three minutes late, I wouldn't be here now.
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So it's all in the quickness to get the victim to the hospital.
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I came out of the hospital in recovery from a traumatic brain injury where I had to learn
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to walk, talk, eat, dress myself, organize, speak all over again from the very beginning.
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And I went to Washington and met with a George H. Bush administration, White House briefing,
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talk about how the federal government should look into acting in support and favor for people with
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traumatic brain injuries.
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And I'm the advocate and the creator of the Traumatic Brain Injury Act that Bill Clinton
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signed into an act in 1996.
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I have a first and last page of the Traumatic Brain Injury Act from this White House stationary
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on my wall.
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I'm very proud of that.
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That's wonderful.
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That's really cool!
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Yeah, sure, it is.
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And I don't know what that has to do with your study of the New World Order.
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No clue.
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What were we talking about?
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Alex asked about the study of the New World Order.
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That makes sense.
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But I want to talk about how cool that is.
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I like that.
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It's an achievement.
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There's some good advocacy that Gary Busey has done in his life.
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It is hard to reconcile just how much of a punchline Busey was for the past 25 years
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of my life that I now, only now know, was also he did a lot of help for severely traumatized
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people.
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Yeah.
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That's great.
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And a lot of the punchline-y-ness of him may be the result of...
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Of a traumatic brain injury.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Amazing.
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It's great.
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It's great to look into the past.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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So Alex, I think that he wants a, like, hey, fuck these globalists kind of interview from
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him.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But Gary is talking about his achievements and this legislation that's passed with his
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help.
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And another thing that he's been very active about is drugs.
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Decriminalization, paths for restorative and rehabilitative justice for people who get
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caught with drugs.
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Now, that's a difficult position to have in 2004 for Alex, because Rush Limbaugh is someone
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who Alex hates then.
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Yeah.
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And he just got caught with a bunch of opiates.
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Right.
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So how do you show grace to this enemy?
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Right.
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Alex, he has a hard time with it.
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That sounds right.
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But Busey doesn't.
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That sounds right, too.
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Take Rush Limbaugh.
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He's been caught now by the police and they have the emails and the witnesses buying masses
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of prescription drugs, painkillers.
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But then we go back to his broadcast.
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He said anybody that was caught with any illegal drugs should be sent to prison and given the
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maximum.
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Now, what should happen to him now if it goes to court and he's convicted?
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Well, Chris Stauverson called it a walking contradiction years ago in a beautiful song
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he wrote.
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And that's what Rush has done.
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It's done a walking contradiction.
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But I know every word after the word but in a sentence is bullshit.
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So I'll say and Rush Limbaugh is a person who is in the area arena of needing help in
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that way.
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Well, that's what I was going to say.
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It was it despite the fact that he's a hypocrite, despite the fact that I don't like a lot of
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things that he has to say, because he balkanizes people and puts people in a little bitty boxes.
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You know, their mindsets, we're trying to open them up and expand that paradigm.
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I don't want him to go to prison for for having a problem with something that's a sickness
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and illness.
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Well, the word you use try to your wife.
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That stands for tomorrow.
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Really yesterday.
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Yeah.
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Because as long as we keep trying, we're done.
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The words kind of and sort of those are words that come into our vocabulary as a colloquialism
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to stop us from achieving our accomplishment.
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So we should forgive Rush Limbaugh and tell him next time to forgive others.
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Yes.
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And forgive stands for finding out.
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And valuable energy is unconditional love.
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And hypocrisy is a lubricant of a civilized society.
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Hypocrisy is also the lubricant of organized religion that puts religion first and earth
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laws first before spirituality and the growth of spirituality.
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Well, that's what Jesus was saying, is that the Pharisees had put themselves before God.
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They had made their little laws and their little colloquialism.
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What are we doing?
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And that became the religion and what it was about worshiping man's little trivialities
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instead of being part of the bigger picture.
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Perfect.
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Wow.
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Gary gives him a round of applause.
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I mean, you nailed it, Alex.
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I'm not no.
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I know plenty of several people who've had traumatic brain injuries, and none of them
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have suddenly gotten into acrostics.
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So I'm not sure what that's about.
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Yeah, I think a lot of those are aphorisms that may trace to drug rehab.
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Oh, that makes sense.
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I think some of those are isms that come from recovery.
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Right, right, right, right.
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But I'm not sure.
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He does that a lot.
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I remember that from Celebrity Rehab or I'm With Busey.
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A lot of these wisdoms.
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That what words really mean.
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That's always fun.
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Alex, I think he's trying.
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Yes, I agree that he's trying.
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I don't know what either of these men are trying to do with each other, though.
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Is Gary Busey trying to give an interview where he's like, interesting and a person
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who answers questions?
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Or is he just there, like, allowing Alex into his home and we're just seeing what happens?
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I have no fucking idea.
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Okay.
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All right, good.
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There is no point to this interview.
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This is an issue for me.
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Yeah.
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Even with the Rogan one, there was a point, which is like we're doing this Kevin Booth
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drug documentary and Alex is inserting himself into it.
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Right.
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Whatever.
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There's no reason for this to be happening other than Alex got a chance to talk to the
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celebrity and Gary Busey seems like he's there.
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Yeah.
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He's a willing participant.
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Sure.
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This isn't under duress.
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He does seem to be a part of it.
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Yes.
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He also is very much above whatever is going.
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There's a condescension to that round of applause that he gave Alex.
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It does feel like neither of them needs to be talking to each other for any reason.
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Nope.
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And that anything that comes from this conversation will be useless to both men.
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Maybe.
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Or maybe they'll grow through it.
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Maybe they will grow through it.
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Maybe they will grow through it.
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I hadn't considered that.
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And one of the ways that I think Gary tries to help Alex grow.
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Right.
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Is by playing a memory game with him.
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That sounds true.
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That maybe derails much of this energy.
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Derail.
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Let's take advantage of what's a great gift God gave us.
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Let's look into the power of memory.
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Memory is given to us because it's a very powerful, powerful ingredient in our substance
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to remember.
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And I had traumatic brain injury and I had short term memory lapse for a long time.
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But I don't have that anymore simply because of prayer and paying attention.
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And I don't only pay attention.
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I play attention.
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I want to second that.
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I have talked to this guy about a year ago for the first time.
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He remembers the conversations we had a year ago.
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And I'm having trouble remembering them.
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But with him reminding me, I do.
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So let's check your memory.
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OK.
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Repeat after me.
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All right.
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One hen.
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One hen.
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One hen, two ducks.
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One hen, two ducks.
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One hen, two ducks, three squawking geese.
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One hen, two ducks, three squawking geese.
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One hen, two ducks, three squawking geese, four corpulent por pie.
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I'll repeat it.
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Four corpulent por pie.
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OK.
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One hen, two geese.
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Ducks.
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Ducks.
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Three geese.
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Squawking.
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Squawking geese.
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And four corpulent por pie.
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Very good.
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What are corpulent por pie?
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Well, por pie is plural of porpoise.
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Oh, so we've got the porpoise down here.
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And corpulent.
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Corpulent are big boys.
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Yeah, in the Malibu.
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In fact, Kevin, show folks just for a second this incredible, incredible.
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Well, it's kind of a cloudy day, so we don't see it.
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Oh, it's beautiful.
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It's unbelievably beautiful.
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And we saw some some por pie down there earlier, didn't we?
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Yes.
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Going from south to north.
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OK, here we go.
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One hen.
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One hen.
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Two ducks.
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Two ducks.
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Three squawking geese.
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Three squawking geese.
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Four corpulent por pie.
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Four corpulent por pie.
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Five pair of Don Alvarez tweezers.
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So I think Alex was trying to pivot away from this memory game.
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Yeah.
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Talking about the scenery and like, oh, we saw some por pie down there.
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I see that.
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I see that.
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Yeah.
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And Gary is not into it.
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We're we're actually testing your memory now.
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Here comes number five.
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I think right now this exact thing may have happened between me and a driver when we were
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in Austin.
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This has the this has the vibe of a conversation that's like, hey, how are you doing?
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I just ordered a lift, man.
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I don't know.
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And now we're doing a memory game.
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Great.
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OK.
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All right.
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There's an agenda that is being pursued by the subject of this interview, and Alex cannot
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stop it.
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Nope.
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So there's a strategic cut here.
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And I think it's because this game went on a long time.
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Yeah.
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Five pair of Donald and Alvarez tweezers.
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That's number five.
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Go.
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Well, Gary, we will just for a second if I can digress here, because you bring up memory.
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For me, I have a great memory for obviously we have great memories of things we love and
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enjoy.
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I mean, I've if you like, you know, Black Mercedes, you can probably remember quite
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a bit about many ways to define the one word of love.
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Exactly.
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Well, let's just say like or enjoy.
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But the point is, is that I can research that I care about and what I really care about
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is the news and watching a politician say one thing.
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You know what news stands for?
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Northeast, southwest.
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That's what information for four directions.
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Yeah.
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And that's how they actually started it.
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People have these boards up in the old west.
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What?
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You know, have news in different parts of the country, northeast, south, and past.
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So that became the news board.
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You know what the word sin stands for?
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S.I.N.
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No.
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Self-imposed nonsense.
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I believe it.
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Yay.
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You ready to go to eight?
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You ready to go to eight?
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Oh my God.
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I think they cut out from five to seven.
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Yeah, clearly we've gone.
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You ready to go to eight?
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Oh man.
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This is like, if you remember, this is when the last episode of Taskmaster, whenever Zuke
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went for two hours or whatever, and they had the cuts of just like 25 minutes.
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Cut again.
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35 minutes.
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This is where we're at.
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It's a great comedic device, but it's not being used that way here.
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It's saving us a lot of time.
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Yeah, I want the raw footage.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Show me him trying to remember every single one of these numbers.
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Yeah.
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What and what are the animals and the tongue twisters and the weird tricks?
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How long does it take?
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Like for real, in real time, how long and how awkward and how miserable is everybody
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but Gary Busey while we play this game?
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And how delighted is Gary Busey?
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He's so, he's having a great time.
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Yeah.
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I think that there's a lot of these things that he says that words stand for that I just
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don't care because whatever.
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I love him.
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This one's actually not true.
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Self-imposed nonsense?
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No, the news one.
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The news one.
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Yeah, obviously it's not.
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What?
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Yeah, and I only was interested because he asks Alex what news stands for and Alex says
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that.
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Yeah.
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Alex knows this one.
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Northeast, southwest, which is whatever.
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Fine.
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It's not true.
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Yeah.
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But they're on the same page.
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They're closer than one might think initially.
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I don't, here's what I like about this.
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I don't think much about Gary Busey's day would be different if those two weren't there.
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In this exact moment, I could see him just being like, you know what sin stands for?
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Self-imposed nonsense.
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To know one.
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Yep.
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That'd be a delight.
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He's talking to a bird.
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Absolutely.
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Which is a pigeon sitting next to him.
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Somebody needs to know.
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Yeah.
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So Alex wants to talk on some other level about memory.
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And again, I think there's more cut out of the memory game.
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Oh boy.
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Well, I just wanted to bring up 1984.
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George Arwell, who wrote this book about tyranny, talks about what tyranny was.
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People didn't have memory.
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So they couldn't remember the lies and they couldn't remember that things had gotten worse.
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And then they would even lie to them if they would then even lie to their own selves because
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they'd spent so much time accepting all the other lies.
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So basically without having a memory, you can't know what the truth is.
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Good point.
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But that's what George Arwell said.
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I don't want to plagiarize him.
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Also, you must learn this too, that mistakes are looked at as gifts because a mistake is
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a gift you have to learn something from.
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Wisdom.
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Wisdom and mastery of thought.
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Failing.
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F-A-I-L-I-N-G.
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That stands for finding an important lesson, inviting needed growth.
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So as a matter of fact, in the truth of it all, in the memory of all truths, you don't
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fail, you just find a better way to do it.
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Going back to what my grandmother said, that you have to be old enough to die to know how
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to really live.
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That's called age experience and wisdom and mastery.
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It happens with the evolution of your destiny.
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Let's give Mr. Adler a hand.
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Oh, he knows I can't do the tenth one.
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I can't do all ten.
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No, no, no.
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You can do it, but...
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He can't do the tenth one.
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So now we've gotten to ten.
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Now there are ten.
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Yeah.
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Jesus Christ.
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So we only really get to hear Alex try to recite five, and then I think they cut out
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the rest of it.
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I think that's wise.
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I bet it went on for quite a while.
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And I bet he struggled real hard.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And desperately tried to pivot into any other conversation.
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Every single time he had to remember one, he was like, so let's talk about literally
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anything other than this letter or word or number you're trying to make me.
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You heard him be like, hey, you know, memory is a really important thing in 1984.
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And Gary's response is, good point.
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Yep.
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All right.
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You know what failing stands for?
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I guess the definition of the word.
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So he, Alex, cannot do the ten.
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And Gary tries to make him feel better about how he did not fail the memory game.
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What this has displayed, what you gave a display of is your energy is not to be held back.
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And it's as if you're sprinting a quarter of a mile so fast you're out and running
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your purpose.
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There's no pressure.
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There's no diamonds.
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When you stay in the logic of going slow and taking your time and really thinking and stopping
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and associating words with colors or images you have in your mind, then your memory stays
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fast and your memory is you.
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That's when you become your memory.
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And that's when all things within you are.
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And that's when all things within you are solid.
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True.
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Concerning the past, the now, and the future.
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You must remember the past is history.
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Sure.
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The future is a mystery.
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That doesn't sound true.
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And now is a gift because it's called the present.
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That doesn't sound true.
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It's so true.
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That does not sound true.
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It's true.
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No.
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Refuse.
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I think that he's too wanting to guide things in some way.
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He wants to have some sort of conversation he can use.
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And I don't think that he recognizes that if you're going to be talking to Gary Busey,
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he's going to just talk to you.
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You are whitewater rafting.
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Yeah.
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You are not sailing.
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You're not on a gondola.
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You're not singing.
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You are edgy your seat trying to just survive these words flying at you.
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Because who knows where they're coming from?
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Yeah.
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The best you can do is chip in a little.
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Ha ha.
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Yes.
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Absolutely.
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Every now and again.
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You nailed it.
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Yeah.
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That's what you say.
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Gary says that hypocrisy is the lubricant of society.
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Sure.
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You need to lubricate this.
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Fine.
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Or there's nothing to gain.
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There's nothing.
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You're going to get a bunch of words spelled out and shit.
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But you can't get him to talk about Klaus Schwab.
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Yeah.
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This is more like Jimmy James giving you the secret of management.
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Measure twice.
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And maybe every now and again you'll get a little bit of wisdom in there.
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You're a kernel of something fun.
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Absolutely.
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I don't pay attention.
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I play attention.
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I'm with stupid.
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Right.
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That's great.
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So Alex tries to reset things by talking about power.
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And Gary once again is not interested in having any conversation except the one he wants.
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Yeah.
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You must learn to love your enemies.
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Because of the truth of it all, enemies are friends in reverse.
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And they show us things about ourself we need to change.
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And that's why they're here.
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Ladies and gentlemen, we're talking to Gary Busey.
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And I talked to Gary about a year ago and about six months ago.
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And he has, well, he's an investigator of a lot of different things.
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He's been looking into world government and the new world order.
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And into the different facets of it.
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Gary, sir, world history, tyranny, tyrants, how do we deal?
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How is it?
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The general public not even being aware of the fact that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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I mean people before us, our founding fathers knew you got to restrict government.
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You got to restrict control over our lives because bad men will get control of those mechanisms.
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The government's just a tool, but you don't want to build the tool, the device that can enslave and destroy.
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Do you have any comments to that?
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Yeah, through history, through the beginning of time, we've been learning that power is the ultimate achievement.
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No matter how the power comes, no matter how you know what power stands for, no matter how it is negative, positive, indifferent, stoic, nothing.
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But if you feel you have power and whatever way you use that feeling to give you the power you have, whether it be tyranny, wars.
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I mean, the greatest oxymoron of them all is holy war, which is not in God's plan.
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The poor people of the Middle East, the islams and the muslims and the arabs and the taliban, the afghanistan, the pakistanis, iraq, iran, syria, turkey, israel, the now scenes.
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They all have a purpose on this earth, but they're not using the purpose God gave them to use.
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They're using the fear that they have by not using God's purpose.
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And the best way to stop wars is have women fight naked, because if women fight naked and the men stand beside, the women will end up having a Tupperware party and the war will be over.
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Well, then we won't have much war because they're starting to put the women into the military.
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Even if they have found about half the women that went to Iraq.
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Take their clothes off, have them fight naked and watch what happens.
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The men will be coming to watch them fight naked.
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And it'll be a joy. Everybody will be happy. Everybody will win. Everybody is a winner.
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I feel like if I'm I'd be done with this interview.
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Flabbergasting plan, Busey. Tell me more about naked women fighting.
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For and how how do we organize this? Do they have a say? No? Okay. Are we drafting all women to a naked fight?
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Right. And then this is your premise here is that women, if they fight naked, men will just sort of ogle at them.
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Hey, historically, they've never fought over women before.
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And then and then the women of a Tupperware party.
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Yes, obviously, women adhere to these stereotypes, especially when they're naked on a battlefield.
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They won't continue fighting.
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How could they?
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No, they just have a Tupperware party.
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There's too much Tupperware around.
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Yeah.
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We've got to burp it.
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I think I think that a lot of the time you can listen to Gary and he has like these dumb shit things that he says.
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Since stands for self-imposed nonsense.
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Right. And who cares? That doesn't touch the real world.
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No problem.
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That's some sort of fancy self-help book.
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Yeah.
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Jimmy James nonsense.
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You're fine.
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Yeah. But this this to me is like, are you do you actually mean this?
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Yeah.
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Do you think do you think there's some wisdom behind have women fight naked and then we'll end all wars?
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Because if so, you have a deeply chauvinistic, misogynistic worldview.
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Yeah.
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Second, you're dumb.
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This is dumb.
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Yep.
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It's very dumb.
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It calls into question all of the words you have broken down for me.
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If this is also something you're expressing.
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It's like an interesting take on Liz Estrada, except by when I say interesting, I mean,
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utterly insane.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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That is not what Liz Estrada is about.
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No. Liz Estrada is a whole different thing.
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And I like, I mean, the idea of withholding sex from men to reveal that men are just behaving like children.
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Yeah, I guess.
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But that wouldn't be all day.
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I can't imagine Liz Estrada being like, hey, get back inside.
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We're all going to go fight naked and have a Tupperware party.
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And then the play is over.
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Yep.
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That would be it would not have stood the test of time.
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Probably not.
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Yeah.
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I think that this is one of those points in this interview where I would be like, oh, man, this guy's a bullshitter.
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Like if I were Alex talking to him, I'd be like, there's nothing here.
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Yeah.
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This fucking guy.
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I mean, all we're doing is listening to a man like 50 style rap.
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Like this is the beat generation guy just being like, if I just say words skiddily skiddily scat, then the words will mean something later.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Except so many of these things, like what these words stand for and all that, are things that he says on multiple occasions.
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Yeah, you got to not do that.
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It isn't just like all random shit coming out of his mouth.
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Like some of these are things he has thought.
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Yeah.
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So.
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Yeah, that's no good.
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Yeah.
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Apparently, when you talk about power, though, there people are like sheep and they're following these powerful people.
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Sure.
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And the powerful people have been at the direction of 14 spirits that have been directing humanity intergenerationally to torture us.
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Wait, I'm sorry?
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Why is it, though, really dark, evil, wicked people who are sadistic and enjoy doing bad things to populations, enjoy mutating populations spiritually, physically, financially?
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Why do those type of individuals normally get into power?
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And then once they have power, no one's challenging them.
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They increase the murder of the slaughter.
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How do we stop?
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Well, number one, why do we see that happen or do you agree?
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And then number two, how do we stop that?
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A lot of the people who are under the power of the tyrants are like sheep.
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They know nothing else.
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They have no role models.
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This is from generation to generation to generation.
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And they come with generational curses and they come from the spirits of evil.
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And there's 14 of them that are listed in the Bible.
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OK.
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And when you have these spirits of evil working with you, within you, around you, and you have the spirits of evil working in the leaders and in the politics,
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and in the politicians and in the generals working with them, you have nothing but evil, nothing but evil.
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And the most endangered species is dedicated leaders.
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You mean good leaders?
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You mean dedicated leaders in the right way?
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Certainly good way.
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Fine.
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That, folks, that is incredibly, the old 60s word, heavy.
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Hey, we're wrapping.
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What's number five?
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Remember number five?
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Poor pie.
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No, tweezers.
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Nice.
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I can't tell you what six through 10 are though, because I was cut out of this video.
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See, I can't imagine having that be something that I started with in my...
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Somebody came to interview me and I'm just doing a memory game.
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Now for the rest of the interview, I'm just going to be popping in with four.
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You know, like you just got to do it.
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Corpulent poor pie.
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Exactly.
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Got it.
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Would he say that his purpose is corpulent?
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Sure.
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OK.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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So we have 14 spirits of evil that have been cursing humanity from time immemorial.
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Are they just fast or are they everywhere at the same time?
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Can they apparate?
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Can they disappear and reappear in any situation?
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Teleportation?
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What kind of powers do these spirits have?
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So you're asking the wrong questions.
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Apparently I am.
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When you...
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The word power.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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You understand?
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Yeah.
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It means poor pie only want extra rations.
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Because they're corpulent.
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Landed that plane, baby!
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Woo!
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Sully Sullenberger!
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This is what you need to understand.
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When Sully crashed that plane, what did he hit?
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Poor pie.
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That makes sense.
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Yep.
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That makes sense.
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Everything works together.
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Yeah.
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So Busey gets to talking about some other thoughts he has.
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Sure.
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And I actually think that there's something to this next one.
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OK.
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But Alex should throw something at him.
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Or take him off the balcony or something.
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Because this is downright globalisty thinking.
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There's a lot of negativity going on in our government.
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There's a lot of negativity going on in our neighborhood.
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And one thing we must learn to do is never compete with the energy of the neighborhood.
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Our body, ourself, is our first neighborhood.
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Our second neighborhood is our family.
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Our third neighborhood is the house we live in.
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Our fourth neighborhood is the neighborhood.
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The house is around you.
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I figured we were going to get to neighborhood, too.
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Fifth neighborhood is the city.
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Sixth neighborhood is the state.
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Seventh neighborhood, the country.
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And the eighth neighborhood is the world.
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Infinity.
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Never compete with the energy of those neighborhoods.
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Learn how to fit into it in your way of truth.
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And understand that the one way to be safe and to be in a place of nurturement is being
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true to yourself.
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Is being true to yourself.
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Without the advice from others on how to handle and be more powerful over others.
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Because that's what planet Earth is about.
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That's what the Earth is about, man.
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I get, listen, I get, I've heard be true to myself.
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I think the people who say, oh, all you need to do is be true to yourself.
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Leave out the part where it's like, I kind of don't know who I am, man.
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Sure.
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Really don't know.
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Yeah.
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Could be a random strange person.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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You have some perceptions maybe about who you are, but you don't know for sure.
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You'll never know.
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Well, we do know that you're part of eight neighborhoods.
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Yeah.
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Alex should be opposed to the last one.
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Yep.
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Because that's the world and we are not citizens of the world.
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That's bullshit.
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Where's counties on here?
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That's not one of the neighborhoods.
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That's a good question.
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What's the difference between your family and the house you live in?
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That one confused me.
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Yeah.
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Those two seem like they could go together.
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Turn that into one and put county in there.
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That's kind of what I was thinking.
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But you know, sometimes people have strange living arrangements.
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Maybe it's not just your family living in one house.
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I guess.
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Sure.
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I mean, it's not strange.
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That happens.
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Yeah.
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So maybe we need nine neighborhoods.
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Sure.
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But also...
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Nine planets.
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What?
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Yeah.
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One of them is not a planet anymore though.
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Yeah, but back then it was.
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Right.
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But also Nabooru.
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You never know with Nabooru.
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Right.
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So I think that there's also, even if we leave...
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Just accept the eight.
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All right.
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There's still a fundamental problem with what Gary is saying.
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Yeah.
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And that is that he's saying the important thing is not to go against the energy of the
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neighborhood, right?
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Yeah.
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But then also you have to be true to yourself.
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Right.
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Those are contradictory advice.
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Well...
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Go with the flow and also be true to yourself.
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Yeah.
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Be conformist, but also never conform.
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No, go with the flow, but like in a stand on no flow way, you know?
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You know, like I'm going with the flow, but maybe I'm not flowing today.
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Right.
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What if what is true to me?
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Yeah.
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Is against a number of the neighborhoods that I am a part of.
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Are you supposed to go with the energy of the national neighborhood if you're in Nazi Germany?
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Sure.
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Ninth neighborhood, the moon.
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Right.
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You got to go there.
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That's not a planet.
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That's a good point.
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And even if you did go to the moon, that would just replace one of the other neighborhoods.
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That would just become your country or whatever in America.
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Sure.
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Just moon.
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Yeah.
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There is a little bit of a join or die to that that is unspoken.
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But it's holding hands with never join.
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True to yourself, but also join or die.
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Yeah.
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It's...
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This is why I can't...
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Wow.
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There's a number of reasons I can't take Gary Busey seriously.
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Like, this is one that if I were Alex in this position, I would try to learn a little bit
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more about.
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Sure.
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How do you be yourself and also not disrupt the energy of the neighborhood?
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Right.
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What are you talking about?
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Right.
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This is an ism that means nothing.
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Right.
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Yeah, it does mean nothing.
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Yeah.
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It's meaningless.
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Be yourself at all costs, but also fit in.
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Yep.
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All right.
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There you go.
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Fuck you.
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Good advice.
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So now we start talking about a boat.
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That makes a lot of sense.
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This boat is in your mind.
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All right.
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It's an imaginary boat.
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Now I'm bummed out.
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But you're in the boat.
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Okay.
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Now I'm back in.
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And it has a sail.
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I'm bummed out.
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And that sail is the golden rule.
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Ooh.
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And Gary, to ask you another question along that line, how do we get the people to do
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unto others as they would, as you would have them do unto you?
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Because it's true.
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If we were all better people, if we were all more involved trying to be powerful with
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our community instead of being powerful over a community, how do we do that?
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How do you tips for people out there?
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Because you've definitely gone deep into this, a deep diver into this advice for folks
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out there.
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Well, the golden rule is the biggest rule of all.
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Doing to others as you would have others doing to you.
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And it starts with you doing that to yourself.
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What?
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Be kind to yourself.
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Don't be mean to yourself.
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Don't be a codependent.
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Don't be a rescuer.
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Because a lot of the things, unless you're down under, that you bring with you comes
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from the energy of a displaced past and an unpurposeful future.
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The golden rule starts with you.
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You yourself.
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Do it to yourself as you would do to others.
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Doing to others as you would have others doing to yourself.
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See, it's all saying the same thing.
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All this information I just gave you comes right down to one thing that Alex just put
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up in front of you.
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This is a sail on your boat of life.
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The unconditional love.
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The golden rule is your sail.
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The ocean is a spirit.
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The ocean is your imagination.
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The ocean is your power.
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The ocean is your emotion.
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The sail on the boat is the golden rule.
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The wind that catches the sail and pushes the boat into a lovely sunset of tropical
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design with a double rainbow, that wind is your spirit.
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So when you're kind to yourself, you'll be kind to others.
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Okay.
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I think that there's some good advice in there in the piece of like, you know, we all understand
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the golden rule and that kind of stuff, but we don't always think about it.
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And you're not really taught this as a kid in the same way that that does apply to you.
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Sure.
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You should be kind to yourself.
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I think that's missing from this understanding of the golden rule a lot of the time.
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Now, I don't know if this is like a super profound thing or all that important, but
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to the point that Gary is saying something that maybe people could have some use for,
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that's there.
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We don't need to get into the boat.
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We don't need to get into the sail.
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The golden rule is the sail on your boat and the spirits, the wind.
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Holy shit.
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It's all unnecessary.
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One of the most important things that you can learn about Zen Cohens is that the truth
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behind Zen Cohens is that if you're really interested in the answer, you shouldn't be
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talking to me.
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That's the whole idea.
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Like if you're interested in the answer to the question, I'm not, you shouldn't be talking
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to me.
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Go talk to somebody else who's interested in that question.
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If you're interested in the answer to the question, you shouldn't be.
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You shouldn't be talking to me.
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Stop it.
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Leave me alone.
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Ignoring Gary Busey is the root of all wisdom.
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Exactly.
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That is the idea.
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Yep.
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So Gary is kind of, I mean, look, he's not unlike Paul from the Bible.
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He's not unlike him?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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So when you're kind to yourself, you'll be kind to others.
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And believe you me, I've been through it because I was held to be with and held to be around
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for a long time.
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But you must go through those things to see that there is an outcome for it.
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That's another reason we're on earth, to go through life and use life as life is given
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to you.
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And life is given to you as a blessing.
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And you can turn your blessings into blessings for others by utilizing the golden rule for
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yourself first and for others.
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And know that God is always with you.
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He's always there.
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What happens to people when they go down to the bottom of the barrel and go below the
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bottom, go below the bottom, land at the bottom feeder?
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What?
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God happens every time.
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Happened to me.
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I mean, that's what happened to Paul.
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He was the big.
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Yeah.
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Oh, I've been compared to Paul.
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I've been compared to Paul.
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I am.
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When?
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Where?
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I live my life the way I've taken it on.
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But Paul was a great military man.
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Everybody can be compared to Paul.
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But the source of my energy, like I was told when I got out of the hospital two months
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early after my death from brain surgery, that I was born with the energy of 10 men who have
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normal jobs.
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Okay.
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All right, man.
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All right.
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The energy of 10 men.
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Who told you these things?
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Paul.
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That sounds true.
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I believe that you think he did tell you those things.
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My doctor is named Paul.
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Oh, okay.
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Well, then never mind.
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Uh-huh.
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And that stands for positive affirmations utilized lovingly.
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Nice.
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That's two.
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This man can't stop landing planes.
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This is what it's about, having the energy of 10 men.
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I think that if I were Alex and I was somebody who God gave visions to from the time I was
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young and I'm on a mission against the devil, I think I'd take it a little more seriously
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if someone's like, no, I'm kind of like Paul.
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I feel like I'd be more offended by that.
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I wonder if it's possible not to abuse this type of power over people.
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Gary Abusey?
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Uh, not bad.
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Not bad.
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But I mean, you know, that ability, the power imbalance here is Alex is not going to leave.
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He's not going to leave.
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You're famous.
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I want some of your juice.
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I'm a vampire.
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I'm a parasite.
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I am stealing some of your juice.
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Right.
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And Gary Abusey knows this.
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And so Gary Abusey can just abuse that power and say whatever the fuck he wants with no
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consequences.
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And I'm not trying to defend Gary or anything like that because I don't know all that much
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about him.
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I imagine he's tough to be around, but like, I think that he does not have as much malice
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as a lot of the people who Alex would later be surrounded by.
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Sure.
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This seems like somebody who's just kind of a survivor of a traumatic brain injury.
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He's got his own thing going on.
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Yeah.
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He's, uh, he's worked out his view on the world and it's not based on hurting people
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in the same way that a lot of people who Alex is around now are.
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Yep.
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But he's notable because he's famous.
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Yep.
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Alex wants a little bit of that attention.
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And in order to get it, he's going to have to sit through memory games and this stuff.
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He doesn't seem like he has the only thing I'm pushing back on a tiny bit is that, like,
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I don't think that Gary is abusing this dynamic.
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No, I think he's existing.
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Right.
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And Alex is trying to make it useful.
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Sure.
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And it's just not, it's not going to be.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I don't know if I abused me in a malicious towards Alex way, but in a, in a, like,
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this is something that only exists for a certain person, you know?
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And so by being that person, you're given the impression that what you have to say is
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important, but it's not.
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No.
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And Alex would never, and I don't think most people would be all that interested in the
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character that Gary Busey embodies, especially in 2004, if he wasn't like prior to the accident,
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an amazing actor.
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Yeah.
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And also a good actor afterwards.
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He had plenty of roles afterwards.
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He still did.
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That were fantastic.
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But like he, you know, he was a Buddy Holly story.
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There's that, that makes this character that he embodies interesting.
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And that's the only, that's the only reason that this conversation's happening.
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Yeah.
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Um, you know, he was great in point break.
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True.
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He just was so great in point break.
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He's had, he's had a lot of fine roles.
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He really has.
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So look, man, you gotta be honest.
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Yeah, that makes sense.
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Truth is important and that's your ticket to heaven.
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Sure.
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And also heaven is what you want to make of it.
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Also when people die, you should celebrate.
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Okay.
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Honesty.
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Honesty is your ticket to heaven.
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Okay.
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Wow.
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And that heaven I'm talking about is the heaven you hold in your heart.
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The heaven you hold internally.
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It's great to be alive!
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Celebrate it.
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Celebrate life every day.
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And when a loved one passes over to the other side, celebrate that person's life.
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Funerals are for the living.
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They wear black, they dash their teeth, they wail and they moan.
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That's the living.
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That's the people who are still living.
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That's their emotions.
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Celebrate with the happiness of life when that person crosses over.
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Because that person's in a better place.
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And when you wail and natch your teeth and moan, you're holding them back.
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Gary, would you like to tell folks what it was like when you got what you saw on the other side?
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Because I know Colonel Craig Rogers, we've interviewed, has told very similar,
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very similar stories to what Gary's talked about.
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I choose to save that for another time.
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I don't want to tell you what happens when you die.
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You made me remember five fucking things.
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You tell me that story.
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I said tweezers.
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No, not this time.
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Sorry, buddy.
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I'll tell you about the afterlife later.
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You know, I think when I was watching this, I think there's no point to this interview.
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I understand why it's not an artifact that is important in Alex's career.
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Because he's talking to a then famous person, but like,
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there is no great sound bites that Gary gives.
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There's no like, yeah, I'll tell you what, fuck all these globalists.
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He talks about working with George H.W. Bush to get the head injury legislation.
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So this is kind of a dud.
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But knowing the way that Alex's career goes,
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like, I feel a little bit of a lesson that he learns from Gary.
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There's some Gary energy in Alex, the way that he's a bully conversationally.
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I don't think that Gary means it to be bullying.
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But he's going to have the conversation that he's having.
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You be damned.
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Yeah.
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You can either participate in the conversation that's happening, or you can get tossed aside.
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It's just, it's power dynamics.
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I have the power to do whatever I want because you can't stop me.
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Like you don't have the power within you to meet me.
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Right.
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But that power dynamic is something that you can kind of make artificial in conversation.
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Sure.
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You can create it a little bit.
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And I think that Alex is like the person that you see here in this 2004 interview
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is someone who doesn't have it.
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Yeah.
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He's subservient conversationally to Gary.
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Yeah.
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Alex that you see now will just steamroll people, just yell at people and take the upper hand
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in interviews when it's possible.
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Yeah.
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And I think that the 14 evil spirits that walk among us and all that stuff is like,
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oh, this is...
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Alex incorporates a little bit of this.
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Yeah.
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Whether it's from this interview or intentional or...
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I don't think that's necessarily the case, but that spirit gets in him.
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I think it's just the space that he inhabits.
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You know, because I think Fuentes has that same like instinctive ability to understand
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power dynamics.
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Like when I am at my strongest, I bulldoze people and I make them know that I'm strong.
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And when I'm weak, I'm like, right there, hey, what do you think, Gary Busey?
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Tell me more about rainbows, you know, like all of that stuff.
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I agree.
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I agree with that.
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And I think a lot of people in the right wing have that.
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Yeah.
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And that's kind of a weird alpha thing that they feel out with each other.
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Gross.
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What I'm talking about more is that Gary Busey is able to weaponize his insanity in these
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social power hierarchy dynamics.
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Sure.
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You know, like there is a certain amount of Gary that's like, he's going to play this
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memory game and you're not going to be able to stop him.
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Right.
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And there is a certain amount of power that comes in that, that comes from that.
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And Alex, he has an insanity and a public image of being a nut that I think he can weaponize
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conversationaly.
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Sure.
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His deposition, talking about Epstein didn't kill himself.
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Yeah.
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There is a slipperiness that his persona gives him.
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And that is something that I think you see mirrored here.
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Yeah.
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And I think that Gary's, a lot of it likely comes from past drug abuse and head trauma.
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Dramatic brain.
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Yeah.
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But for Alex, I think it's a lot more like, this just works.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it does work.
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It's more cynical.
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It does work.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So the interview ends and there's a tiny moment that you hear when the camera should have
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cut.
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And it's not that interesting.
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Sure.
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But then Gary clearly wanted to do a clean take.
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Oh my God.
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Uh, of him talking.
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The whole interview.
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Let's start from square one, buddy.
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No, of him talking about the boat on the scene.
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Oh, okay.
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All right folks, that's Gary Busey and God bless.
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Take care.
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Thank you for yourself.
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Wow.
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That was great, man.
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This whole thing was planned by God.
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You know that, don't you?
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Well, let me tell you, Gary, I'm not-
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You got your camera out there.
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That was some of the most-
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Okay, we'll just do it with a shotgun mic.
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Yeah, that's fine.
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Just get up there.
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Okay, Roland.
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Here's a reference I'd like to bring you.
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No, let's start over.
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Cut.
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There's some information.
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You're in a boat.
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You're in a boat.
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You choose the color of the boat.
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The boat's on the ocean.
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The ocean represents your spirit, your emotions.
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And your life.
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And your life that you're living is the boat.
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You're in the boat.
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You have a sail on this boat.
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And the sail, let's call the sail the golden rule.
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Doing to others as you would have others doing to you.
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But it starts with doing to yourself how you would do to others.
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And how others would do to you.
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It starts with yourself.
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The sail is a golden rule, doing to others.
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You have an anchor that you don't know you have.
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It's an invisible anchor.
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It goes down.
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It's sunk in the ocean floor.
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The wind comes, the boat doesn't move.
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You don't have an engine on the boat.
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You don't have any paddles.
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So you're not going anywhere.
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The wind in this aspect represents a spirit.
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That invisible anchor, when you do the golden rule,
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and when you're kind to yourself,
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when you're kind to others, and when you believe
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in the truth of who you are,
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and you're not being mean to yourself or others,
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that invisible anchor will slowly break away.
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And that invisible anchor represents the people
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you are listening to who are controlling you,
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the government that might be controlling you,
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the senators, the congressmen that might have you down
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in a special place that doesn't give you the complete freedom
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the Declaration of Independence allows us to have.
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I'm not pointing my fingers at anyone.
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I'm just talking about the world around us.
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Now in your boat, you might want to catch some fish.
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The fishing pole is representative of Joie de Vivre.
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Oh, man.
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Yeah.
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You know, Jesus kept the parable short for a reason, bud.
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Yeah.
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That clip, I think, is just indicative of like,
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this is not good.
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Yeah.
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Even doing a clean take.
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But like, also, that part where he's like,
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he starts and then he says cut.
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Yeah.
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That, to me, undercuts the image of Gary Busey.
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He's a pro.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He's a pro.
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That's kind of a little moment that really breaks the illusion.
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You want to think of him as just the guy who's going to tell you
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what words stand for and play memory games.
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He's just going to exist as he exists.
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Yeah.
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But that's not true.
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A lot of the times that you see stuff where he's like,
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the Gary Busey character that you think of,
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that's probably take two or three.
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You know, like there's times where he gets going and he's like,
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I'm not feeling, let's start over.
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Yeah.
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It's false.
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It's a little bit false.
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I mean, listen, I'm not going to be the guy who says that,
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you know, maybe actors from LA don't have anything worth hearing.
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But fuck it.
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Don't ask them any more questions, human beings.
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What are we doing?
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Yeah.
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They pretend to be things.
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Stop it.
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Yeah.
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And I think that this interview embodies a really interesting duality,
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which is there isn't really anything interesting here that needs to be said.
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Yeah.
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But at the same time, you know, Gary Busey,
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when he's talking about survivors of traumatic brain injuries
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and how the government can better serve them,
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he is a very useful and effective advocate in that sense.
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Absolutely.
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And so like saying he has nothing to say isn't fair.
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He has something to say there.
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But then this boat stuff.
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Well, I mean, ironic, ironically,
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the boat stuff kind of reinforces the validity of the other stuff.
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It might.
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Where you go like, oh, this, what do you mean?
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This guy is the victim of a traumatic brain injury?
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No.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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No, I.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Yes, he is.
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Okay.
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All right.
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And it's fascinating to see Alex in this setting because he's got nothing.
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Nothing happens.
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It's a dud.
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It's a boring interview.
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And when he talks to celebrities and stuff,
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it's usually like something he really tries to make a big deal of.
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Yeah.
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And he'll call.
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He talks about how he talked to Charlton Heston constantly.
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Yep.
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Because they got to talk about guns and how great the NRA is and all this stuff.
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This is not something that lives in the legend of Infowars.
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That time that I hung out with Gary Busey and he explained to me that women should fight nude.
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You know what?
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I'm going to do it.
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I got another news radio reference.
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This is like whenever they went to meet Seinfeld for lunch.
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And you just wanted a famous name.
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You just want the name to be there.
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And then people...
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This is clickbait before or at the dawn of clickbait.
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But it's also a horrible...
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I guess the Seinfeld episode.
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It doesn't go great.
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Yeah.
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But Alex doesn't...
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How many people have seen news radio?
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Alex didn't edit this.
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To make him say something that he didn't...
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To make Gary say something he didn't say.
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Yes.
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He could have, I guess.
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I don't know.
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Yeah.
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I just wanted a little bit of a palate cleanser.
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Something to end the week on a...
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I like it.
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Yeah.
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Just a little bit of triviality.
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It is so great to listen to self-help with dip your toe into Eastern philosophy vibes.
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Just like, this is regular old, like, hey, let's not drink anymore.
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But also things can be and not be at the same time.
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Yeah.
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20 years ago, this is the best Alex could do.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, we'll be back with another episode.
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Check in how our ding-dong's doing in the present day.
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But until then, we have a website.
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Indeed we do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep.
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We'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm DZX Clark.
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I am the Mysterious Professor.
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Woo.
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Yeah.
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Woo.
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Yeah.
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Woo.
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
