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HA!

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I've seen enough of these people.

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If I ever tried, like nobody says, it's like they, you know, they, they won't turn it.

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You know?

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So now, if I could compare the two answers and see how much Baha stars

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are Wells Fargo, I can be if you whether it's Dalai Th Ing, ordie Reports.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes that like to sit around and worship at the altar of Selene and talk

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a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh indeed we are.

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Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan.

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Jordan.

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I have a quick question for you.

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What's up?

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Which bright spot buddy?

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My bright spot today is actually a dual bright spot.

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Dual bright spot.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Because on Friday I went out to go see Daniel Scharr's show.

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Indeed we did.

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At the Lincoln Lodge near Sex for Work.

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And it was great.

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It was such a, it was a really fun time.

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He has a great one man show there.

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There's some shows coming up in June in Los Angeles.

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So if we have listeners who are there I would recommend going.

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I think you'd enjoy it.

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Yep.

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So that's one part of the bright spot.

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Okay.

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It was very fun.

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But then the second part was we went.

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We went together.

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You and I went.

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We had a rare night out.

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It was a delight.

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Yeah.

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It was a lot of fun.

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Yeah.

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That's also my bright spot.

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Oh.

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Well hey why not?

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It was a great time.

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It was a great show.

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You know.

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We don't have a whole lot of stuff on our social calendar where you and I go do something

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non podcast related together.

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And it was really nice to have that time.

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It was a delight.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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Saw some old folks from comedy days.

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Yeah.

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A couple folks.

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It was nice.

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I mean it is so much like when you have a truly great time it's not very much of a story.

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Not really.

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It's just like.

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There was a dust storm.

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Exactly.

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That's what it was.

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That was our story.

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We were driving there.

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There was a lot of traffic because of a giant dust storm and then everything was great.

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Yeah.

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I got an alert on my phone.

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An emergency alert that there was a dust storm and I immediately put it away because I thought

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it was a joke.

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Yeah.

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Ten minutes later we're seeing like brown clouds basically forming above and like oh

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maybe that wasn't a joke.

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Yeah.

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But yeah everybody was safe.

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It was fine.

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It was a good time.

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It was great.

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So less good time.

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We had an episode to do today Jordan.

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Okay.

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And we're going to talk about what that entails in a moment.

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Okay.

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But first let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

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I think that's a great idea.

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So first beat the eggs then pour into a medium hot pan with your favorite vegetable oil.

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Keep moving the egg.

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Don't forget to season.

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Then fold while it's nice and runny and bang it onto a plate.

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Add pepper.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Next from Andy in Kansas to Tim in London.

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Thanks for being my best friend for the past 20 years and introducing me to Knowledge Fight.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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And comrade Skyler happy birthday.

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Keep on crushing it.

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Thank you so much.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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And we got a technocrat at the mix Jordan.

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So thank you so much to Unicorn Murder Frenzy, the funniest kind of murder frenzies.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars.

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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark.

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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

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He's a loser little titty baby.

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I don't want to hate black people.

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I renounce Jesus Christ.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you very much.

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So Jordan today we got an episode.

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And you know Alex is having a tough time.

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Things are rough.

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Sure.

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And I thought we would keep track of, you know, keep checking in on what he's up to.

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See where he's going in the present day.

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Primary ding dong day.

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No.

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No.

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I realized it's Sunday.

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Oh no.

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Sunday sun sun god Osiris.

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Oh god no.

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We're recording this on Sunday and that means.

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The sun god is upon us and we must skip away from our primary ding dong to talk about mystery

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of Babylon.

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Oh man you pulled it from the sun.

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That's weird.

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I didn't do that.

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That wasn't delivered as well as I hoped it would be.

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It got me.

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It was a surprise enough for me.

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So it works.

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It works.

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I'll take it.

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Okay.

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So Jordan do you want to try and.

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Catch us up to speed?

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Yes that's where we're at.

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As the pupil the eye of Horus in the sun god Osiris is.

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I think I think we ended at what I would classify as a solid twist.

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We had a solid twist ending where it was revealed that somehow it was not plagiarism.

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It still was.

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It was plagiarism all along.

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You see.

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Bill had been stealing from this book by A. Ralph Epperson and then said at the end of

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the last episode.

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Hey just to show you that I'm not making this up I stole all this from this book.

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Exactly.

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Yes there was a full on a ha ha.

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I was doing it.

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But meanwhile he had changed the text along the way to make it appear that he wasn't reading

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a book.

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But leaving that aside like what do we know?

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Oh oh boy I wonder I wonder if we know anything.

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Well the new age is an attack on Christianity.

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Sure.

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Horus is.

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But I feel like we left behind the Osiris cult a while back and we're stuck in.

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What was it.

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What was the most recent boogeyman who.

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Lord Maitreya.

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Yes that's right.

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Yeah.

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Lord Maitreya.

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The new age coming savior Lord Maitreya.

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Right.

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Yeah right.

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I think we had the sort of establishing of the Osiris stuff.

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Sure.

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And the Egyptian nonsense.

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Right.

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And then we were jumping all over the place.

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Yeah.

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And it still relates back to them.

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Right.

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But there's nothing connecting.

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We need we're on witch watch.

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We need witches.

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Mm hmm.

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I say that we have to have a Knights Templar.

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If there's no Knights Templar.

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Templars come up here.

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This is bullshit.

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Oh OK.

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Briefly.

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Maybe not in the way you'd want them to.

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Sure.

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But I do like the idea of being on witch watch.

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Yeah we gotta have witch watch.

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There's gotta be witches.

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So we start off here on lecture number seven.

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OK.

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And Bill begins with just getting to some primary fucking sources.

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Hm.

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Now folks the Dallas Morning News on October 1st 1989 published this story.

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Anglican leader calls for unity under Pope.

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The byline is Associated Press.

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Rome.

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Anglican leader, Archbishop Robert Runcie calls Saturday for all Christians to accept

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the Roman Catholic Pope as a common leader presiding in love.

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For the universal church I redo the plea.

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He said could not all Christians come to reconsider the kind of primacy the Bishop of Rome, the

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Pope exercised within the early church?

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Again folks that was the Dallas Morning News October 1st 1989.

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So Bill is reading this story trying to set up the idea that there's people trying to

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create a one world religion presumably under the Pope.

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And that begins with creating one Christianity and then it expands outward from there.

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In fairness this is just about the head of the Anglican church saying that he hoped that

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they could reunite with the Catholic church because they're all Christians.

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Or as he put it quote the walls of our division do not reach as high as heaven.

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So Runcie's head of ecumenical affairs was quoted in the Duluth News Tribune as saying

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quote talks about closer relations have been going on steadily for 30 years.

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I'm sure it will happen eventually because the founder of Christianity wanted one church.

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That's a little little poke.

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Yeah.

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The founder of Christianity.

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The founder of Christianity.

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That one guy.

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The one guy who did it.

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The guy who gave it his name.

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Yeah.

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So we're working on it.

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Yep yep yep yep.

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The Anglican church only exists really because Henry the eighth wanted to get divorced and

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the pope wouldn't let him so he created the Church of England headed by the archbishop

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of Canterbury who would allow the divorce.

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So these two coming back together is less crazy than all kinds of other sects of Christianity

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perhaps.

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No no no no.

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Or even other religions uniting.

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Right.

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No I feel I feel like it would be a stain on my religious belief theology if I were

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to just go like oh by the way my entire religious belief is based on one guy wanting to get

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a divorce and another guy not letting it.

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Sure sure yeah.

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The break is there.

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Yeah.

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I'm not saying that those are the only differences between the two because they've grown in different

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directions.

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Of course they have.

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But yeah.

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One's in England the other's in Rome.

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They're going to go in different directions.

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That makes sense.

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Right.

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It's a couple miles apart.

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Yeah absolutely.

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What is that like six miles?

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Well it depends on what year it is.

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Well I know that all roads lead to Rome.

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So from England you could get there.

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Well they did take over England for a while.

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Sure.

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So Bill's got another quote here.

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Another primary fucking source.

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This story appeared in the Bakersfield Californian August 27th 1989.

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Baptists and Catholic theologians find common ground.

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Associated Press New York.

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Southern Baptists and Roman Catholics the nation's two largest denominations generally

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have been regarded as doctrinally far apart, but their scholars find they basically agree.

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The 163 page report is seen as the most full scale mutual examination of respective positions

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of the two traditions.

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Achieving it was an unprecedented experience for Southern Baptists commonly averse to ecumenical

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affairs.

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The talks sponsored by the Catholic Bishops Committee on Ecumenical and Interreligious

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Affairs and the Southern Baptist Department of Interfaith Witness involved eighteen meetings

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between 1978 and 1988.

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Again that appeared in the Bakersfield Californian August 27th 1989.

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Now I want you to listen to me very carefully during this broadcast for the message tonight

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is extremely important and understand that I am not attacking Catholics or anyone else.

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I am merely giving you the results of our research and sometimes the results of this

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research is disturbing.

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So this I'm glad the bill is not attacking Catholics.

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It's nice of him.

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Yeah.

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He's reading a news story about a report that came out of a series of meetings between Catholics

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and Southern Baptists over the span of ten years looking to find their similarities and

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differences.

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One might ask why these groups decided to sit down and examine their beliefs and one

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of the big drivers of it was that there was a real anti-Catholic sentiment in the United

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States.

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Many of the colonists who came to the United States at the start they were fleeing from

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the Church of England which was basically the same as the Catholic Church to them.

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Over time this anti-Catholic strain would reappear in things like the Klan and the opposition

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to JFK's candidacy and this series of meetings between religious figures was meant not to

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unite the two churches but to increase their understanding of each other.

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Like people calling Catholics papists and like, oh you, like you don't, why do you revere

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the saints?

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Yeah.

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You know like all that stuff leads to tension, misunderstanding, stigma.

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Yeah.

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So the report stresses that both groups view salvation as God's gift to mankind but it's

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also very clear that they take different approaches.

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The Southern Baptist tradition is connected to the Bible and the experience of the individual

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whereas the Catholic views, it places more importance on tradition, sacraments and the

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people of God, the body of the church as opposed to the individual.

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It is now 2025 and the Baptists and Catholics are still definitely two distinct churches.

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So if this was a major piece of combining them under the Pope into one thing, that effort

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failed.

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Sure.

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So Bill, I don't, I'm not convinced by these news articles that he's collected.

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What I find comforting and what I find delightful about religion is that in general, most of

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these reports would be exactly identical across all religions.

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General vibes very similar on the good side.

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What people argue about is does the bishop actually turn that cracker into Jesus's skin?

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Does he?

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Does he actually do it?

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That's what, you don't need to argue about that.

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This literally will come up later.

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I believe it.

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You don't need to argue about it.

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It doesn't help anybody.

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Nobody's getting better Jesus because of Jesus, you know?

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Yeah.

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And I think that, you know, coordination, not coordination, that's the wrong word, but

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like communication and openness between people, understanding the differences of their beliefs

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and how they express them.

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I don't think that leads to everybody becoming one thing, but I think it leads to less fighting

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over the cracker.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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What are we doing?

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Guys, guys, stop.

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What are we doing?

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But at the same time, we can't take away, and Bill will not take away from the fact

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that religion has caused the most wars in history.

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Sure.

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You see, folks, more wars have been fought and more blood has been shed in the name of

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religion than any other cause, perhaps all other causes.

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Countless millions have been slaughtered in the name of God, Allah, Buddha, Muhammad,

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Christ for thousands of years, Christian killing Jew, Jew hating Muslim, the Muslim against

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the Hindu, Christian fighting Christian, Shiite versus Sunni, Sikh against Hindu,

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endless rivers of blood supposedly shed to rid the world of evil men and make way for

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peace.

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And of course, it never happens.

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And that's what they say about this new world order, that it's going to rid the world of

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evil men and make way for a thousand years of peace.

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So at this point, I had enough context to try and find out what Bill was plagiarizing

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this week, and it turns out that he's reading a pamphlet titled, Why Protestants, Why Catholics,

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Should Christians Unite?

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This was a tract that was put out by a group called Bible Sabbath, who themselves were

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cribbing from another source, which they, unlike Bill, were upfront about, from their

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text.

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Quote, this publication contains excerpts from the bestselling classic America in Prophecy

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by E.G. White, originally published a hundred years ago under the title, The Great Controversy.

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E.G. White was one of the founders of the Seventh-day Adventist Church, and this piece

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that Bill is reading is a work of Seventh-day Adventist propaganda, which he's not revealing

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to the audience.

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Wow.

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It's not a product of research and a fair look at Protestants and Catholics.

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It's a treatise meant to evangelize for a specific other church.

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Bill obscuring the context of what he's reading is a serious breach of ethics and would lead

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me to suspect that he's invested in promoting Seventh-day Adventism.

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If that were his goal, that's fine, but he's misleading people by pretending this is some

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grand piece of research into the New World Order that he and his people have done.

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This is about the mystery religion that runs the world.

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This is just a tract meant to get people to convert to Seventh-day Adventism.

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Yeah.

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There is a fine line between evangelism and advertising, isn't there?

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If you can turn both into a very small pamphlet, maybe there's not as much of a difference

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as you might like.

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This is not a small pamphlet.

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It's 26 pages long.

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That's a long pamphlet.

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That's a novella.

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Yeah, and actually, by the time this ends, Bill has not even gotten like 10 pages into

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it, so we may see it continue into episode 8.

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See, now here's what I expect from my pamphlets.

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More illustrations.

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Hmm.

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I think what you lose in illustrations in this, you gain exclamation points.

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I want to go back to illuminated texts.

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We gotta get back to Blake.

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Get back to Robert Blake.

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Not Robert Blake.

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No, different Blake.

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Which Blake?

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Robert Blake's the guy who killed his wife, right?

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Yeah, different Blake.

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No, no, no.

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Painter.

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So, Bill is just stealing again.

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He's up to his old tricks.

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And I thought we dealt with this at the end of the last episode.

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But apparently we didn't.

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Could the long desired universal peace be just around the corner?

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Could this succeed?

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Is it actually possible for men to forge a lasting peace on the anvil of compromise?

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Or could it be that we are naively forging not a new world order, but rather the one

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world order of apocalyptic prophecy?

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Or is it all an invention of the mind of man throughout the ages to manipulate large masses

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and populations of people?

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I make no judgment, and I do not try to answer all of these questions.

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You must do that in your own mind.

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But I must ask those questions, for many of you have never even thought to ask them.

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While controversial, folks, it is not the purpose of this program, the hour of the time,

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to disparage or attack the honest convictions of any sincere persons, whatever their politic

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or faith.

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So, in the original text it says, quote, while controversial, it's not the purpose of this

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publication to disparage or attack.

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Bill replaced this publication with this program, the hour of the time.

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I don't really know what to say here.

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Like, I don't have a lot of respect left for this guy as a creator at all.

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If you're willing to insert the name of your radio show as like the creator of the material

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that you're reading, when you're just stealing it, it's shit.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, what are we doing?

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He already said it the last time, you know?

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I used to think that at least he put some effort in, and I don't think he does.

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He's just reading a pamphlet to me.

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That bums me out.

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Well, he's reading a pamphlet and periodically sort of ranting a little bit, which is exactly

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what Alex does, but with tweets.

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Yep.

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So it kind of connects all of this legacy into, like, it makes more sense.

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Yeah.

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They're all kind of frauds.

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You wouldn't do this if you wanted to do work.

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If you wanted to work hard, you would do something that's not this.

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This is there for people who don't want to work at it.

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It's one of two things.

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It's either you don't want to work at it, or you realize that if you did work on it

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a little bit harder, there's no depth to what you're doing, and you would not be able to

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create the same appearance.

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Right.

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Right, right, right.

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If you dwelled on this a little bit longer, you'd be like, well, you know what?

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Maybe the world isn't run by an Osiris cult.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You know, to a certain extent, the profitability areas are digging all the way into it and

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really giving it everything you've got or staying completely surface level.

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Anything in the middle is worthless.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And I think that there's a, I think it's impossible to determine lazy versus, like, worried that

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if you try, you'll invalidate your premise.

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Yeah.

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Those are very, they come out the same.

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It leads to a very, like, lazy like a fox kind of thing.

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You're like, I don't know if I trust any of your bullshit, but.

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Yeah.

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We're going to hear him read from this pamphlet for a bit.

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But despite the fact that this is a religious piece that he's reading, this is not a religious

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show.

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Is he a Seventh-day Adventist?

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I'm not sure.

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Okay.

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You see, our purpose is to bring out facts and principles which have a bearing upon coming

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events for those of you who may not realize that this is not a religious show.

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This is not a religious show.

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This is a show that is designed to educate.

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Illuminate, if you will.

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And that's very ironic.

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Is it?

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Because we are illuminating those who call themselves illumined who have been causing

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us misery for thousands of years.

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So Bill can say that this isn't a religious show, but he's reading an evangelical tract

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from the Seventh-day Adventists, pretending it's the product of his own research, and

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presenting it to the audience as a non-religious thing.

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In his head, he might think that what he's doing is educational and not religious, but

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it doesn't matter.

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His laziness has required that he steal from explicit religious propaganda in order for

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him to fill time on the show, so this is a religious show.

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Also, in the text it says, quote, its purpose, referring to the text, is to bring out facts

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and principles which have a bearing upon coming events.

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Bill changed its to our.

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So he's.

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Yeah.

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Nailing it.

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Yeah, so he's claimed ownership of it by the changing of that word, and that's shit.

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When you ask, is Bill a Seventh-day Adventist, and I say, I don't know, I'm actually not

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sure he knows.

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Yeah, that's, well, I mean, there's a part of me that my immediate question then is,

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if this is not a religious show, let's go the other direction.

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What is a religious show?

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What is your benchmark for the amount of religion that can be put into one show, thereby making

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it a religious show?

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Is the 700 Club a religious show?

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Right, right, right.

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Is the Jim Bakker show a religious show?

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He's talking about food buckets a lot of the time.

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That's not really religious.

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Right, what is it an amount of content that's based on religion, or is it just like, I don't

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want it to be a religious show, so yes, it's all religious.

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I don't want to be looked at as that.

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Exactly, yeah.

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So if that's the case, then you're just lying to me, which makes your religion kind of okay

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with lying, which is a bad religion, so you shouldn't make a religious show.

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You know, it's a really bad religion.

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What?

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Go!

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You know what's bad?

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Black Sabbats.

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What's that?

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Oh shit, I already fucked it up.

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Ah, yeah.

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So the issue too with the lying is that he's not being upfront with the audience what this

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is.

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Yeah.

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And so the religious nature of it isn't even able to be fully understood by the recipient

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of the information.

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Yeah.

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And that to me is just like, boof, that's dirty.

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That's dirty business.

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I think one of the fun things about these people is that a true guiding light is that

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the things they are insecure about, they are insecure about for a good reason.

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You know, like for most people, I think oftentimes we look upon our insecurities as something

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that's self-generated to kind of keep us down.

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When this guy goes, I'm not doing a religious show, he's doing that because he is doing

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a religious show.

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Yeah.

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And he's saying, I'm not making this up because he's essentially making this up.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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The things he's insecure about are like, oh yeah, you should be insecure about those.

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Those are insecure.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Bad foundation.

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So this next clip, just Bill is stealing from the text and then I just like, I got

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a real waft of Alex.

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Okay.

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As Winston Churchill once observed, folks, the farther backward you can look, the farther

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forward you can see.

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And that is really the secret why my predictions have been so accurate, so accurate that at

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this moment I am the most successful and accurate prophet on the face of this earth.

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But I'm not really a prophet, I'm a messenger.

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And they're not prophecy that I give you.

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They're predictions based upon actual study, research of history and of the plan of those

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who call themselves the guardians of the secrets of the ages, the practicers of that

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religion called Mystery Babylon.

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Listen to that.

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It's just striking.

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Like, Alex is doing a Bill impression.

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This is exactly the same kind of game that Alex tries to play with his public persona.

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He's the most successful and accurate prophet on earth, but he also knows these things because

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he studies so much.

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He predicted 9-11 because he was studying the globalists and how they operated.

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He knows their plans, but also God told him.

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Also, I'm reading direct word-by-word-for-word other stuff to you.

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I'm not even predicting.

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Yeah, there's nothing there.

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There's a game of prophet and scholar that you are neither and you pretend to be both.

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And that is, Alex, whether he stole it from Bill or not, the two of them are peas in a pod.

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It is the perfect amount of, like, people love honesty.

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If you can fake that, you got it made.

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It's just that perfect...

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Yep.

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Let me ask you a question.

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Real quick.

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Do you think that there were a bunch of people around Winston Churchill who were really fed

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up with his quoting?

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You know, like him just doing all the, oh, the further forward, just being like, oh God,

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not again, man.

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I'm sure with Ben Franklin, they were.

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I don't know if Winston Churchill crossed into the, like, annoying with your quips.

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Oh, fuck me.

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You're too quotable.

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Oh yeah, great.

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Another one.

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Jesus Christ, man.

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Who talks like that?

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Talk to me like a person.

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Right?

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You know, it's these historical figures.

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They were too aware of the fact that they were going to become historical figures.

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So they talk like historical figures all the time.

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Right.

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It's annoying.

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Yeah, it's very annoying.

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You know, we're trying to wrestle with the question of whether or not Bill is himself

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a Seventh-day Adventist.

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Sure.

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And this started to make me think that maybe he is.

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Okay.

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The nominal conversion of the Roman Emperor Constantine in the early part of the fourth

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century caused great rejoicing.

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And the world, cloaked with a form of righteousness, walked into the church.

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Paganism, while appearing to be vanquished, became the conqueror.

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Then doctrines, ceremonies and superstitions were incorporated into the faith and worship

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of the professed followers of Christ.

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And the Ten Commandments were changed to permit idols in the church.

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Wait.

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And other changes were made.

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You see, the day of rest was changed from the seventh day to the first day.

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Why?

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Because the first day was the date that the pagan religion worshipped the sun.

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Osiris, the light.

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Lucifer, the intellect.

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Okay.

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And so, the pure and simple teachings of Christ were corrupted beyond recognition.

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So about the first half of that clip is Bill reading from this pamphlet, but the other

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half is him.

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Yeah.

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So when he's talking about the changing of the day of rest of the Sabbath, that's him

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talking, not reading from the text.

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And that's an important part of seventh day Adventism, is the changing of the Sabbath

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from Saturday to Sunday.

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See this is what I'm saying.

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This is the type of shit we're arguing about.

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Days aren't even real, man.

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Days aren't real.

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There's no first or seventh day.

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There's just time.

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It never begins.

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God doesn't care about days.

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He does.

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Oh, okay.

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Never mind.

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If you believe in religion or Christianity, then one of the commandments is remember

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and keep the Sabbath holy.

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Sure.

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So I understand where you're coming from, but I also think that you're rejecting one

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of the big 10.

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Every day's the Sabbath if you want it.

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You know?

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Sure.

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Take a day.

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I guess you could live that way.

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You're going to get into a little bit of a...

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But what do we agree on?

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Do the whole being good to people thing.

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Don't argue about what day it is.

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Sure.

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You know?

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Fine.

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Yeah.

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I'm more interested in that and more interested in the fact that Bill is expressing one of

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the cornerstone beliefs.

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Of seventh day Adventism.

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Yeah.

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One of the places where it becomes like doctrine and practice overlap.

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So it makes me think that he at least is on that... whether or not he is a member of the

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seventh day Adventist, he's on board with that.

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Their belief that the devil changed the day of Sabbath.

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Okay.

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Let me ask you a question.

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If a day was changed early on, if we drop a day, if early on calendar is just like,

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oops, we forgot this day, doesn't that mean that they've never done it on the Sabbath?

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Well, what do you mean?

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Well, I mean, if a calendar dropped a day like a thousand years ago, right?

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Then it's actually one day earlier or later than whatever day it is.

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Well, no, because you'd still periodically get it right.

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I mean, it would just be...

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Is that how it works?

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Yeah.

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I genuinely don't know how it works.

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No, it would.

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Because if you went to like a six day week or whatever now, you would still have like

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a Sunday over... every five weeks or so the Sundays would line up with what they would

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be on a seven day calendar.

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Right.

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Okay.

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So you'd still be getting some of them.

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Okay.

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But that kind of ruins the whole like missing the day makes everything evil thing, right?

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Sure.

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If you're like already missing days, even if you're trying to keep the day.

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So then you just, you know, don't worry about the day so much.

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Look, I'm not here arguing for days.

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That's not my position.

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I'm just saying it's very...

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And I'm just saying that that's one of the ten.

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I get where you're coming from, but it's not crazy that someone would care about that.

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Listen, I understand.

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You know?

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I'm not saying that it is crazy.

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So Bill, a lot of this is just him on the text.

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But he does end up riffing a bit off to the side.

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All right.

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When the Christians consented to lower their standards, a union was formed between Christianity

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and paganism.

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Though the worshippers of idols professed to be converted, they united with the church,

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still clinging to their idolatry, only changing the objects of their worship to images of

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Jesus and even of Mary and the saints.

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But they still worshiped the same gods, and they always have.

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If you look at an aerial view of the Vatican, you will see that the outer courtyard is a

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round temple of the sun, exactly as the Druids and the Celts.

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Are all round things temples to the sun?

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And that in the center of the temple to the sun to Osiris stands the symbol of the lost

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word of Freemasonry, the phalest, the generative force, the penis of Osiris, the obelisk.

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Oh.

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You see, folks, the Roman Empire never fell.

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It just became the Catholic Church.

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So that part wasn't from the text.

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Yeah.

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Stuff about the penis and whatever.

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Yeah, that makes sense.

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That was Bill.

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You leave that out of the pamphlet.

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Yeah, he's going off the beaten path a little bit to bring his Osiris penis cult into this.

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Right, right.

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That would be a bit of a left turn for the rest of this pamphlet to just be like, oh,

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by the way, all Catholics are worshiping the sun god Osiris and there's a penis, whatever.

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Anyways, back to the let's think about the yeah.

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Yeah.

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So yeah, I think that there's a preoccupation with phallus that Bill is certainly manifesting

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in his studies.

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I mean, it's hard.

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Aye.

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No.

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Once you start looking for penises, you're going to find them all.

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They're everywhere.

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So if you notice a penis, you're just going to see a penises forever.

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Sure.

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It's rough.

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Yeah.

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So Bill is just reading this pamphlet.

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That's most of what this episode is.

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And then at one point he did this and I thought it was very strange.

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The Roman empire never fell.

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It just became the Catholic Church.

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And the Roman emperor merely changed his name from emperor to Pope.

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Now, for those of you who may think that I'm crazy and that I've lost my mind, I'm going

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to read you verbatim from a book entitled Dungeon, Fire and Sword.

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It is the complete history of the Knights Templar in the Crusades written by John J.

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Robinson, author of Born in Blood.

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And I'm going to start at the second, third paragraph on page 414 in the chapter entitled

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Jesus Wept 1292-1305.

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That's the date.

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Those are dates, folks.

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In London, Edward sent for the master of the Knights Templar in England, Brian DeJae.

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This is really weird because Bill is specifying the book that he's about to read out of.

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We're about 25 minutes into this episode where he's just been stealing from a Seventh Day

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Adventist pamphlet and he's never shown any interest in telling listeners where he's getting

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his script from.

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But now we have a book about the Templars and Bill is telling them what paragraph he's

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reading.

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This shows me that he knows how to cite a text when he wants to, which makes this general

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behavior that he engages in even worse.

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This book isn't cited in the pamphlet.

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Those news articles at the beginning of the episode about the Anglican guy recognizing

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the Pope, that's all from the pamphlet.

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Everything else has been pretty much just from that pamphlet.

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See, I'm having it backwards.

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You say this shows that he knows how to cite things.

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I say that this shows this man is crazy.

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He's not even plagiarizing right.

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This is crazy.

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This is just insane behavior.

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No, I disagree.

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I think it shows an awareness that this book could be looked at as a credible source.

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Whereas this Seventh Day Adventist pamphlet isn't something that Bill wants to take responsibility

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for.

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This is what my entire show is.

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I'm stealing this.

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If it were a more credible source, then maybe he would come out with it.

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This bolsters him.

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Okay, wait.

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By claiming that he's saying these things, it's ... Okay.

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If he was saying that he was reading from the Seventh Day Adventist pamphlet, people

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would find him less credible than if he's just reading the Seventh Day Adventist pamphlet,

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passing it off as something that he's saying.

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Whereas with this thing, by quoting this book, you increase credibility versus just reading

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it, which would decrease credibility.

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Yeah.

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It makes you look like more of a scholar to cite this book or whatever, but it does not

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make you look like a scholar to cite a Seventh Day Adventist pamphlet.

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I think that's the aid that this pointing to that book gets you that obscuring the source

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of the pamphlet doesn't.

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I don't know if that's how it works.

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I don't either.

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But if that's the motivation, I can understand what you're saying.

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It's a way of me making sense of why he's pointing to this and not the bigger picture.

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Yeah.

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So, when you understand what he's doing and you see the way he's just stealing shit, it

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makes clips like this really piss me off.

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Now, so that I may not be accused of invention, folks, everything that I'm giving you in this

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broadcast is coming right out of the writings of the historians of the Catholic Church,

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of the Protestant Church, of the Roman Empire, of the Knights Templar, and many others.

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You see, I'm not inventing any of this.

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It happens to be historical fact.

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And if you have eyes and can see, the Emperor, now the Pope, to gain converts from

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heathenism, unfounded doctrine, superstitious rites, and the adoration of images and relics

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that were gradually introduced into Christian worship.

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So this is where Bill's act begins to look nefarious to me.

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He's claiming that everything that he's presenting to the audience is historical research and

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all that, which is supported by this reference to that book, Dungeon, Fire, and Sword.

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I believe that Bill specifically cited that book so he could get away with saying this,

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which is meant to cover for the fact that the rest of this has been stolen from this pamphlet.

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I think that that's part of the reason that you cite this book, to make it look more like...

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It's a double bluff.

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Yeah.

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Gotcha.

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I think.

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All right.

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By citing, it's like telling you I'm lying to you as a way of making you trust me.

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Right.

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Sort of.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Jesus.

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Also, in the middle of that clip, Bill pivoted back to the original pamphlet.

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The text begins with, quote, to gain converts from heathenism.

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But Bill added, quote, the emperor, now the pope, at the beginning of it.

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The original source is a passive sentence.

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These images and relics were introduced into Christianity.

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But Bill has added a subject to the sentence and made it an active sentence.

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And that's fraud.

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Here's what I'm going to say.

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I feel like if the Roman emperor had just turned into the pope, that would be one of

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the most documented things that has ever happened.

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As he even brings up, all these different historians talking about this.

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Well, there would also be people who aren't on team papacy, right?

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Sure.

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Who are keeping...

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Like, there would be so much documentation of how the Roman emperor just turned into

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the pope.

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That's very important for two...

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Just put on a different hat.

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...massive groups of people who are not necessarily overlaid on top of each other.

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It's true.

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Yeah.

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It's true.

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But Bill's gotten to the bottom of it by reading a pamphlet.

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That's tough.

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So not only did the emperor become pope, then the pope...

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How would that even work?

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You changed hats.

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I told you.

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Well, yeah, but I mean, would you declare yourself the pope, but secretly so people

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wouldn't know that you are the pope, but you're not even a cardinal.

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I think the idea is less that the emperor literally became pope and more that the papacy

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took on the role of the Roman empire and became the de facto Roman empire while the

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Roman empire went away.

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So then the pope became the emperor.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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That makes more sense.

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I think they're interchangeable.

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I disagree.

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Okay.

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And then, but either, whatever you believe, the pope became emperor, emperor became pope,

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whatever.

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Pope is now god.

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Okay.

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The pope was transferred from Christ, the true foundation of the Christian church, to

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the pope of Rome.

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Instead of trusting in Christ for forgiveness of sins and for eternal salvation, people

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looked to the pope and to the priests and prelates to whom he delegated authority.

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They were taught that the pope was their earthly mediator and that none could approach God

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except through him, and further, that he stood in the place of God to them and was therefore

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to be implicitly obeyed.

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A deviation from his requirements was cause for the severest punishment to be visited

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upon the bodies and souls of the offenders.

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Through this era the people were turned from God to fallible, erring men.

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Blasphemous titles claimed for the pope have been embellished and enlarged over the centuries,

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but a few of these boastful claims appear in an ecclesiastical Roman Catholic dictionary.

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I'm taking this right out of a Roman Catholic dictionary by Lucius Ferraris entitled,

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Pompa Bibliotheca Anunnica, Vol. 6, p. 438, 442, article, Pope, The Catholic Encyclopedia

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1913 edition.

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Vol. 6, p. 48, speaks of this book as a veritable encyclopedia of religious knowledge

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and a precious mine of information.

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Those are the words of the Vatican.

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Quote, The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but

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as it were God and the vicar of God.

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So Bill says that he's taken these quotes from Pompa Bibliotheca Anunnica, but he's

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not.

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This is all still just him reading from the pamphlet.

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The text says, quote, A few of these boastful claims appear in an ecclesiastical dictionary.

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Bill continues to read from the pamphlet, but tells the audience that he's taking it

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right out of the dictionary.

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And the reason that this is a little bit of an issue is like, if you are somebody who's

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like, I'm taking this from Pompa Bibliotheca Anunnica, that implies that you know that

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ecclesiastical dictionary.

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It implies that you have read it, that you have gone to find it in search of some kind

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of information that you're synthesizing together to bring to the audience.

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Instead, all he's done is just read from this pamphlet written by someone who he has not,

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he has no idea who it is, maybe, or at least the audience doesn't.

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Maybe they looked at this Bibliotheca Anunnica, maybe.

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It's the same way with Alex being like, this is from Carol Quigley, Tragedy and Hope.

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No, it's not.

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You're taking this from, none dare call it, Conspiracy or W. Cleon Skousen, and they're

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claiming to source from that original thing.

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It's a huge difference from like, I read this book to my unreliable friend Terry told me

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about this book he read, which again, Terry, very unreliable, not a big reader.

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Yeah, and you're putting on a hat of, you're putting on a Bill Cooper Investigator hat

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and it's garbage.

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It's not cool.

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No.

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No.

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It's just illusioning, really.

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More than anything, this track through these episodes has been just bummering.

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I mean, I think it's fairly consistent with our general ethos, which is, I think as time

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has gone on, to greatly dismantle the myth-making that these dum-dums have about themselves.

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Sure.

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Because the myth-making is what they make their money off of.

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Yeah.

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So, Bill is just reading from the pamphlet, but as happened earlier, he gets distracted

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thinking about dicks.

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Yeah.

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For in dismantling churches for renovation throughout Europe, throughout Europe, without

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exception, and the older the church, the more likely it was to be true.

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Enshrined within the altar, out of sight of the priests and the worshipers, were found

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stone penises.

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Aye.

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Symbols of the lost word of Freemasonry, the phalies of Osiris.

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Again, this is not from the pamphlet.

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That part wasn't from the pamphlet.

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Okay.

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How do leap days affect the whole Sabbath?

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God didn't add a day.

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Yeah, he did.

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But I mean, every four years, you know what I'm saying?

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There's still seven days in the week, right?

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But we just add another one, but that doesn't change the seven days in the week thing.

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We just add another day.

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So that's-

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How about daylight savings?

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What about time zones?

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Man, this is what I'm saying.

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How do you do the day thing?

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Based on time zones, right now-

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Time zones!

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Exactly where we are, it's a holy time, but maybe not across the world.

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Right?

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Right.

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Oh, God, man.

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That's tough.

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That's tough.

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It is tough.

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Yeah.

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I hope they're doing all right with it.

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I think they are.

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I think you're the one who's having a real problem.

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So Bill discusses how he's really into religious tolerance.

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And that's something that I think you have to have if you want to pretend to be libertarian.

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Right.

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Now, once again, I want to tell you, we're not attacking anyone.

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I care not what you believe.

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I care not what altar you worship at, for I am a true constitutionalist.

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It makes no difference to any of you what my religion is, although I will freely tell

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you that I attempt in my daily life to follow the true words of Christ, not the doctrine

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of the preachings of any church or any evangelist or any book, but those words attributed to

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Christ and only to Christ.

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And as the rock upon which those words stand, the Ten Commandments as given to Moses by

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God.

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That is the sum total of my religion, of my beliefs, of what I practice in my daily life.

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I'm not asking you to do that at all, but I am asking everyone to quit accepting what

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they are told.

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So I guess the Ten Commandments doesn't include don't plagiarize.

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So Bill might be in the clear on that front.

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So Bill's all about this like religious tolerance and that's fine.

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You know, like you worship at whatever altar you want, unless it's Osiris's penis.

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Why is that the exception?

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Why have we carved out this one thing that I can't have?

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What if I want to worship Osiris's penis?

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You can't worship Osiris's penis because that's the original religion.

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That's a corruption of the later religion that I believe in.

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Oh man.

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Do you know what?

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Shouldn't like, okay, I understand on some level this idea that there is a group of people

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who have undue influence and are controlling levers of power around the world.

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And they worship Osiris's penis.

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Fair enough.

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Worshipping Osiris's penis is not the problem.

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It isn't the problem.

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No, it's the structural world where people have, a very small group of people have outsized

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levels of power.

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You could address that and allow people to still worship Osiris's penis if you want.

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I mean, you could even argue that if the real problem is a small number of people having

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an outsized influence over the rest of our lives, that presents the exact same problem

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for his belief system as it does for theirs.

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It would.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It seems like we should keep this in the realm of reality if we want our criticisms to have

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any hope of fixing the problems that exist.

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Sure.

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As opposed to creating a Egyptian mystery cult that we're fighting.

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It does seem like you have a point.

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Yeah.

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If you fight demons, you're going to end up solving demon type problems as opposed to

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people being starving or the imbalance of wealth, things like that.

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Those aren't demon problems.

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I would go so far as to say this.

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When he's going like, I follow the ... He doesn't say the word of Christ.

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He says, I follow the true word of Christ.

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Attributed.

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Which if you pull back is like, you're not saying that.

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You're starting a fight.

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What you want to do is fight with people over their ... Right?

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Sure.

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When you say the true words attributed to Christ, you are making an underlying statement

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of I know which words are attributed correctly and which aren't.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's more dividing.

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Yeah.

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Removing faith from the equation, essentially.

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Bill goes on reading this pamphlet.

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I thought this was a fun little screw up that he makes.

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The scriptural ordinance of the Lord's Supper was supplanted by the idolatrous sacrifice

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of the Mass.

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Pathist priests pretended by their senseless memory to convert the simple bread and wine

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into the actual body and blood of Christ.

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And those are the exact words, body and blood of Christ, written by Cardinal Wiseman.

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The real presence of the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ in the blessed Eucharist

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proved from scripture, lecture eight, section three, paragraph 26.

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But no scripture is quoted.

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So you can tell there that Bill didn't realize that, quote, the real presence of the body

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and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ in the blessed Eucharist proved from scripture is

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the name of a writing by Cardinal Wiseman that the pamphlet he's reading has referenced.

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The pamphlet didn't use parentheses, and the way it's written is a little clunky, so it

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makes sense that you would trip over it.

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Right.

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As Bill did there.

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He punched into the name of that cited book as if it were a new sentence.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And that's because he didn't know what was written there.

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Oh, man.

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Practice.

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Do another take.

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You can't.

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Get it right.

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This is live on the radio.

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Well, then practice reading the book that you're stealing.

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You can...

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Okay.

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That's the thing.

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That's the thing.

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Mm-hmm.

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If you are just reading a book, then you can practice reading the book so you don't make

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these mistakes.

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Yeah.

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You can clean it up a little.

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Yeah.

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Put a line through things that you don't want to read on the air.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Right, right, right.

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Exemplaraneous speech, you can make those mistakes no big deal because that's just...

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Listen, it's just popping out of your fucking face, right?

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Mm-hmm.

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But he's too...

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If you had the gumption and the work ethic necessary to practice reading the book, you

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wouldn't read the book on the air.

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Probably.

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It's the...

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We used to talk about the evil dumb question.

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Yeah.

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And I think that it's evolved into lazy versus worried that effort would reveal you're full

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of shit.

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That's kind of the...

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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The new tension that I feel.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So a lot of this has seemed to be pretty down on them Catholics.

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The Pope is the Roman emperor.

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Sure.

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All this nonsense.

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Yeah.

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But hey man, don't get it twisted.

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Okay.

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Bill doesn't like Protestants either.

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Oh, that's nice.

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Protestantism, folks, began in the Reformation.

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When Martin Luther rebelled against the Pope, but did you know that Martin Luther used as

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his personal seal the rose and the cross, revealing that he himself, he himself was

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an initiate of the Mystery School, the ancient religion of Babylon.

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You see, I'm not attacking anyone, and I'm not putting anyone on a pedestal.

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I'm not tearing down the Vatican in order to build up the Protestant Church, for they

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are equally guilty.

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Protestantism has fractured the teachings of Christ into thousands of sects and cults

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and little groups, all of them professing to know the truth.

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None of them really do.

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The Holy Scriptures were almost unknown, not only to the people, but to the priests.

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God's law, the standard of righteousness in those days having been removed, practice

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leaders exercised power without limit and practiced vice without restraint, fraud, avarice,

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and profligacy prevailed.

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So Bill is trying to say that he's calling it like it is.

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He's not trying to tear down Catholicism to prop up Protestantism.

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He's creating this image of himself to pretend that he's an unbiased, outside, academic source

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on this issue.

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But if you understand the source he's plagiarizing this show from, you can clearly say that he's

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not tearing down Catholicism to prop up Protestantism.

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He's tearing them all down to prop up Seventh-day Adventism.

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He hasn't been forthright about any of this, but the hidden implication underneath him

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saying that all these sects don't have Christianity right is that the Seventh-day Adventists do.

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Otherwise, why would he be stealing his entire show from a tract espousing their religion

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as the one correct one?

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Why would he be presenting this pamphlet's Seventh-day Adventist perspective on Catholic

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history as the unbiased, full truth?

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This isn't some dipshit conspiracy text that Bill is stealing this from.

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It's a booklet meant to persuade the reader to become Seventh-day Adventist.

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By obscuring the source of where his words are coming from and presenting it as the product

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of his years of historical study, Bill is wittingly or unwittingly evangelizing for

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Seventh-day Adventism.

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It always matters where he's getting his information from, but in this case, it matters in a deeper

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way.

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This plagiarism is different.

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It hits different than just some stealing from a conspiracy book.

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Yeah, especially when you're talking about religion, because in a sense, aren't you trying

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to trick people into God?

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And if you're trying to trick people into God, doesn't that kind of imply that God is

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like, he's in need of help?

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He's not selling things on his own.

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Well, he could sell things on his own, but the Protestantism has fractured the true message

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of God into a thousand little cults and all of this.

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So yeah, his message resonates and it's good, but there's just too many distracting other

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variants of it around.

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Right.

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Because you think he can't handle that?

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Well, yeah, I think he'd rather you handle it.

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Oh, okay.

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Yeah.

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All right.

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I think that's the exciting part of free will.

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So I mean, but then you're going into, well, then now you're tricking people again.

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Why are you tricking people?

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I'm not.

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They are.

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That's what I'm saying.

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Why are they tricking people?

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Well, they are because they're wrong.

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They're misguided.

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Not me.

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Well, yeah, but you're not telling me about the pamphlet.

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You're telling me that you're saying it, not the pamphlet.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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But if I told you it was the pamphlet, then I'd, I mean, like, what good am I?

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Right.

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That's the trick.

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Yes.

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That's where you're tricking me.

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Yeah.

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Shouldn't that be not okay?

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It should be.

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And I don't think it is.

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Yeah.

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But, uh, Bill got away with it.

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Fair enough.

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So he plagiarizes a lot and he changes these things to make it look like, uh, the something

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that he's reading is actually his show and all that.

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Yeah.

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And most of the time, the differences that he makes, I can tell, okay, what the purpose

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this serves.

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Yeah.

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He changes one word and I'm not sure why.

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The palaces of popes and prelates were scenes of the vilest debauchery.

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Some of the reigning pontiffs were guilty of crimes so revolting that secular rulers

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endeavored to depose these dignitaries of the church as monsters too vile to be tolerated.

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For centuries, Europe made no progress in learning arts or civilization.

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A moral and intellectual paralysis had fallen upon the world.

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So he's just reading from the text, but he changed the last word there from Christendom

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to the world.

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That's a strange choice to make and I'm not sure exactly what I think, but I have a couple

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of possibilities.

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One is that Bill thinks that Christendom and the world are synonymous.

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So making that change doesn't seem like a big deal to him.

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Everything outside the Christian world isn't really even real.

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The other possibility is that Bill's point in this series is bigger than Christendom.

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Whereas this text that he's reading is really about internal issues within Christianity.

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It's narrowly focused on the corrupting of the Christian church and how the true church

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is the Seventh-day Adventists.

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I think it's possible that Bill felt that the scope of his lecture was limited by the

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word Christendom, so he changed it.

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I'm not sure.

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It's a weird change of one word that he doesn't...

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It doesn't happen a lot.

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So it sticks out to me a little bit as I was following along with his script.

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Yeah, his changes are either mistakes or deliberate.

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And it feels like this one has to be deliberate.

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You can't make a mistake from Christendom to the world.

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It feels like a choice that he's making as he's reading.

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And when you're saying they're deliberate, oftentimes the deliberateness is meant to

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obscure the theft.

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It's not deliberate in a way always to change a word, to change the source into saying something

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that it's not or whatever.

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That isn't often the kind of editing that he's doing.

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It's to hide like, oh, I'm just reading a text.

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So this actually is a different word.

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Christendom and the world are different.

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Well, I mean, the reason that I bring that up is because it makes me think that he thinks

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that switching Christendom to the world means it's less likely for people to realize that

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he is plagiarizing.

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I don't think so.

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I don't think so because there's so much verbatim reading.

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Well, I mean, I'm just saying that if you have the reason that he changes other words

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and then he changes another word.

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I think that he...

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Hmm.

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No.

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See, that's where I can't make that connection.

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These other instances where he changes like this book to this show, that's to make it

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palatable as a listener of his broadcast.

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So you're not raising too many questions in your head about like, what's the provenance

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of this?

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Sure.

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Christendom to the world, I don't think it changes that.

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I don't think it has any connection to how the listener is going to hear it, which makes

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me think that it is about like...

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I'm supposed to be talking about Osiris's penis and shit.

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Sure.

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Not just Christendom.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it has to...

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It has a...

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You can't say you're not doing a religious show if then you're concerned only with Christendom.

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Sure.

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It narrows things.

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Yeah.

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To religion.

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It's a religious show to only be concerned with Christendom.

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And I think that's part of a different kind of plagiarism that's on display here.

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Sure.

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There's the cover-up plagiarism that we've seen consistently.

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And this is changing the text itself to make a different point.

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Cooption.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So I thought that was interesting.

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I do think that.

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Yeah, I agree.

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I think that's very interesting because you're right, it does feel like there is a different

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element of intent behind it.

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Yeah.

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And I think that you just kind of have to look at and guess what the motivation exactly

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was.

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Yeah.

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It's something.

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And honestly, it could be as simple as just like your brain replaced a word in the moment.

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It's possible.

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It's possible.

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Or there could be intent behind it.

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Yeah.

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And it's hard to say.

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Yeah.

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It is...

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It's mysterious and not least of which because it is the invisible fingerprints of the man.

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We thought that we were dealing with the man and now we can see that he's just reading.

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And so all that's left are these little tiny crumbs of...

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Little clues.

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Yeah.

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What's inside your brain.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So something else that you can assess this by is...

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We have a lot of time since.

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This is like 93 that he's doing these.

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So we've had 30 years...

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Quite a few.

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Since.

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32 years since to find out if his predictions come true.

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32 years is a long time.

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There's a lot of predictions that happen within 32 years.

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So he's got to be right about several of them.

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And he's such a great prophet.

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Uh-huh.

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Foremost among those who were called to lead the church from the darkness of potpourri

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into the light of a pure faith stood Martin Luther.

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And this is what people believe but Martin Luther himself was an initiate of the Mystery

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Schools.

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Do they?

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A follower of the faith of Mystery Babylon.

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As was the Pope and the hierarchy of the Catholic Church.

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You see, but they were vying for rulership of the world, and up until not too long ago,

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have always been throughout history.

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For the Vatican practices the corrupted worship of Mystery Babylon, the combination of Christianity

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and the worship of Mystery Babylon, whereas the Mystery Schools retained the pure form

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of Mystery Babylon.

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What?

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And this is the only difference between the two folks, and they have been vying throughout

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history for the rulership of the world.

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Mystery Babylon attempting to destroy the Pope and Christianity, and the Pope attempting

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to persecute and burn away the followers, the initiates of Mystery Babylon.

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But they're the same guys.

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And it has always been the goal of the worshippers of Mystery Babylon to speak one of their own

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upon the throne of the Vatican.

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But they already did.

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They have succeeded.

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They have succeeded, folks.

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And now you are seeing the beginning of the combination of all religions into one world

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religion.

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And while the world and the New Age movement may be waiting for the emergence of Maitreya,

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I tell you now here, and remember that I have been the most accurate in making predictions

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about future world events than anyone in the history of the world, based upon study and

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knowledge, not psychic ability, not any gift given to me from God.

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Although I am a messenger, I can assure you of that.

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Thank you.

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I tell you that in the New World Order, the one world charismatic and religious leader

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will be seated upon the throne of Rome.

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Mark my words.

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I have marked them.

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So John Paul II is the Mystery Babylon putting one of their own into the Pope-hood.

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Right.

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So there hasn't become a one world church.

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So this seems wrong.

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He seems wrong.

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I would like a plausible sounding series of events that ends with the Pope being head

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religious guy of all religions.

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Everybody dies except the Pope and a couple of bishops.

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That sounds right.

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That sounds about right.

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But you know what?

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They would start fighting after a few weeks.

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For a while there would be one world religion.

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For a while there would be one world religion.

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Yeah, it would be a brief window.

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Somebody's selling tickets to heaven and we're all, we're back to square fucking one.

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Yeah, this prophecy would come true in that circumstance for a bit.

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For a short period of time.

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So I feel like you were having a little bit of difficulty understanding what was going

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on with...

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Well, if I understand correctly, the papacy already is the combination of the corrupted

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Mystery Babylon and Christianity thing.

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Right.

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Right.

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But Mystery Babylon is already a corrupted version of Christianity?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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Well then it all makes sense.

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So Mystery Babylon is the pure stuff.

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But it's a corrupted version of Christianity.

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But it's the good stuff.

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It's the good corrupted version of Christianity.

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No, no, no.

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I don't mean good in a good bad sense.

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Right, right, right.

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I mean like the...

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It's the pure, it's the good, it's the Breaking Bad Blue Mep.

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200 proof alcohol.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I got you.

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You know what we're talking.

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Right, right, right, right.

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And so the Catholic Church and the papacy, they took some of this booze.

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Right.

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And they distilled it down with a mixer.

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Sure.

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Which is Christianity.

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Right.

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And so now they're a cocktail.

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Gotcha.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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No, I'm following along.

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Yeah, yeah.

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The cocktail and the booze are fighting.

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Right.

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This I do get.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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And then Christians are, I guess, sober.

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But so then...

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Because yeah, the Christians are the cocktail mixer.

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Right.

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So they're like orange juice.

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So then, but one of them, but the Mystery Babylon wanted to get one of theirs onto the

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Pope thing.

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Which was mixing the cocktail.

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Right.

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But they were already there.

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No.

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And this conception, basically getting the popes and the Catholic Church to give into

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idolatry in the form of saints and the Virgin Mary.

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Okay.

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They took away one of the main commandments.

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Okay.

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And then changing the Holy Day to Sunday is another one of the commandments.

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Sure.

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That's where you have the mixing of the cocktail.

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Okay.

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So yeah, I don't know.

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No, listen, I appreciate a convoluted argument as much as the next guy.

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This feels crazy.

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I don't think it seems as crazy as you're experiencing it.

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Okay.

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I think that you have one line.

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Yeah.

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And that is Christianity.

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Sure.

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You got the Pope and then that's taken over by the mystery religions who meld into...

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Ah.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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I like you saying that I'm not as confused as I should be and yet somehow here we are.

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Yeah.

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Give me my chalkboard.

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I was gonna say, okay Mr. Peabody.

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Back then, the Catholic and the popes and that whole world.

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Is influenced by the mystery religions, but it's not taken over.

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But it's not taken over by them.

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They're doing a little dipping in and out whenever they find something they like.

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Well, or they've wielded influence over society to the point where Catholics have gone along

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with the paganism of the world.

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But they haven't taken it over.

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And so the Catholic church and the mystery Babylon are at war with each other trying

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to destroy each other.

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Sure.

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The Catholic and the mystery Babylon has placed John Paul II into the papacy, which will bring

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about one world religion as evidenced by the news stories at the beginning of this Seventh

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Day Adventist pamphlet that Phil is reading and pretending is his own work.

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Right.

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And this is bad.

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It's real bad.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Uh, bull.

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So...

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Fine.

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Fine.

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Fine.

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Fine.

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Fine.

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Fine.

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If that's what you...

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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If that's what you're writing your pamphlet about, all right, man.

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And so that's where Bill runs out of time.

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I think it's a good place to run out of time.

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Yeah.

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So I think that I'm curious on one level of like, there's still plenty more of this pamphlet

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left to go.

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Yeah.

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So I'm curious if Bill is going to pick up with that or if we're going to jump onto another

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source for him to rip off.

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Sure.

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I think he's gotten most of what he needed to get out of this.

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Yeah.

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I guess that like the Mystery Babylon folks infused their beliefs into the Catholic Church.

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Yeah.

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And also are responsible for Protestantism.

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Right.

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So most of Christianity is corrupted.

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Okay.

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So my picture of the Mystery Babylon as it's coming together, what I'm seeing is that I

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think Bill has an idea in his head of how all of these books that he's fans of are actually

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talking about the same thing, but they don't know it.

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So what he's doing is he's reading all of these books to you under the auspices of somebody

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who has made these connections and removed the individual authors from their places as

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creators.

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Yes.

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And he has essentially created a mosaic out of their stuff without telling you that he's

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stolen from their magazines.

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And changed pieces of their primary sources without even letting you know that their primary

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source that's being changed.

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Like the Christendom to the world change.

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Like that's not approved by the author.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I agree.

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So what the series has become or what it appears to be is someone connecting unconnected things

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and not allowing the listener or the observer to understand what those things are that are

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being connected.

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Yes.

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Because if they were allowed to see those things, they would realize these things aren't

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really connected.

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Right.

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If I only show you the parts that I want you to see, it looks like all of these things

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are one big mishmash.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's kind of like Alex editing together clips of his old show to make himself look like

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a prophet.

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Yep.

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You know, there's a selected view that you're allowed to have as the listener.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's like when you've got those light sculptures, those shadow sculptures where it's a bunch

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of random trash, but then you put the light on at the right angle and it's a face.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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It's fraud.

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It's fraud.

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Yeah.

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Because it's not actually a face.

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It's just light.

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We're excited to learn more, I guess.

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But we'll get back to our primary ding dong and see how he's doing with the new pope and

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all kinds of other things.

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Oh, man.

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All kinds of weirdness.

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Yep.

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But until we're back, we have a website.

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Indeed we do.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Yep.

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We'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm DZX Clark.

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I am the mysterious professor.

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Woo!

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Yeah!

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Woo!

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Yeah!

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Woo!

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And now here comes the sex robot.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.