Transcript/1036: Mystery Babylon 6

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onto

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for knowledge fight knowledge fight I'm sick of them posing as if they're the

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good guys saying we are the bad guys knowledge fight

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Dan and Jordan knowledge fight

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I need money

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Andy and Kansas

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Stop it!

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Andy and Kansas

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It's time to pray

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Andy and Kansas you're on the air place for holding me

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Hello Alex I'm a first time caller I'm a huge fan

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I love your room

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knowledge fight

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knowledgefight.com

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I love you

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Hey everybody welcome back to knowledge fight I'm Dan

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I'm Jordan

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We're a couple dudes I'd like to sit around worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones

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Oh indeed we are Dan

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Jordan

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Dan

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Jordan

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Quick question for you

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What's up

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What's your bright spot today buddy

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My bright spot is I have some of these peppers going I have some of these bell peppers purple and white

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peppers that I've they've got some fruit growing and I'm excited about that but there's been one plant

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I have some Thai peppers that just refused to have any fruit flowers would come I try and

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pollinate them I try and like hey come on guys I give them a pep talk

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plays a little Barry White

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Yeah nothing was working and I just yesterday went and gave them a little check got like four peppers

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Oh shit

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that all popped out around the same time and so I've got some Thai peppers coming

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Yeah you've got literally a peck of pickled or just a peck of regular peppers

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Yeah I'm not gonna pickle them

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How many is a peck 20?

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Uh it's like a grip

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It's like a grip

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I don't know

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Okay

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It's like a whole mess of them

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Fair of a whole bunch a bunch of bunches

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Gotcha all right man

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So that's uh that's fun I I'm I'm seeing some patience pay off

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Yeah that's nice

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Yeah so what's your bright spot

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I like it uh my bright spot is I went uh saw my family yesterday

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Yep

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For combination Mother's Day we didn't get together during Easter

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Slash Easter

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Yeah yeah uh and I saw my uh I met my new niece

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Aww

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Met my new niece little Phoebe she's very small she's a baby

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Did you figure out where she stands politically?

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Uh not yet not yet uh but she's uh my wife called her she she was wearing like a little onesie thing

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where the thing that she looked like a sloth didn't go over well

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Oh no

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My wife was like oh you look like a sloth people were like no no she does not look like a sloth

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So political beliefs are

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Not a sloth

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Not a sloth

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So was it a onesie that was supposed to look like a sloth?

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No

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Oh

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No

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Okay so this was your wife's assessment of the onesie as opposed to it being a a costume

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I think baby sloths are very cute

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Sure

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I I have strong strong feelings towards the cuteness of baby sloths

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Baby sloth

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Absolutely

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Nice that's too fast

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Yeah it is

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Yeah

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Uh yeah I think sloths are cute uh for the most part but they do have claws

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It's that they cause they they she was wearing the sleeves that had the coverings on so you

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couldn't see her hands so it looked like she had the long claws

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Okay

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That was the thing

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Okay

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Yep

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And the family did not enjoy this

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Uh just I think maybe it was just my little sister who did not appreciate uh being told

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Because your sister thinks that her baby is super fast

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I guess it's something along those lines

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Seems like a pointless fight to have

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Oh there is no fight

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I don't I don't I wonder if there is something like an animal that's really ugly that you could

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say that your baby looks like that would be right to take offense at

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That's a good question

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I don't know because because at the same simultaneously while we were there uh it was

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revealed that one of her friends had just had a baby literally that moment and they so showed us

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a picture and everybody was like ah that's an hideous baby

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Oh

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That's an ugly old man faced baby so uh one I hope they're fans

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But that baby wasn't there and the parents of the baby weren't there so you can talk all the shit

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you want

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Right right right

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But sloth still doesn't seem like that much of an insult

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I don't think it was taken as an insult I think it was just a weird little thing that they had

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Look I'm invested in mending fences here

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Hey listen I understand

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Trying to resolve this non-existent conflict

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Well it's fun

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Yeah

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Uh did y'all find a bunch of eggs?

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Uh yeah

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You're on an egg hunt?

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Yep

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Uh candy?

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Yep I uh most of the eggs tossed about all over the place very easy to find eggs

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Main reason being uh the age of the children five and uh two

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Yeah can't go too complicated

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Can't go too complicated there

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Is your family a family that uses paws?

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The dyes do you dye eggs?

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No we do not dye eggs

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None of that vinegar business

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I grew up trying my hardest to dye eggs

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Not an artistically refined family

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Sure

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Everyone tried we were all covered in dye at the end of it so every every time we did that

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it was like a never again thing and then finally the never again stuck

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Yeah we we would we would dye eggs but it wouldn't look good

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It would be a mess

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It's not artistic at all

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And then every year of course there would be like the egg that cracks has a crack in it

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So then the inside of the egg is dyed?

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Yeah

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Like and you open it up and you act surprised?

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Yeah

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Like every single year it's like oh that happened

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Pretending this didn't happen last year?

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Meh

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Anyway um good times

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Fun

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We just use the regular reusable plastic eggs

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Sure

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That open on their own and then close up again

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Yeah yeah those are those are good eggs

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Yep

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So a bad egg uh is something we're gonna talk about today

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Oh shit

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Hey

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Nailed it

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Um so our primary ding dong Alex uh was at a studio on Friday

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And so in uh I thought that was an opportunity uh that we could continue learning about the

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mystery cult that runs the world through continuing mystery Babylon

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We're gonna talk about Bill Cooper lecture number six

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Do you think Alex is going to Italy to get to the bottom of this pope business?

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Um no because I don't think Leo's in Italy

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Mmm

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No I don't think so

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He's probably dealing with legal matters about his business

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Yeah that probably would make sense

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And how the Connecticut Supreme Court ruled against him and he's out of moves

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Sure that's fair

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I think that's probably more likely but uh we're gonna be talking about uh this lecture six

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Okay

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Even though I think that we were a little bit deflated quite a bit deflated by the plagiarism

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Sure

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Of uh lecture five I thought hey that's no reason to abandon ship just yet

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Sure

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We may get to witches

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It's god we need to

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Um so we'll find out if we do today

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Uh but first let's say hello to some new wonks

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Oh that's a great idea

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So first what's this in my mailbag?

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Yep buttons thank you so much you're now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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Thank you uh next hey Timothy thanks for getting me into knowledge fight now go beat

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Ganondorf in Tears of the Kingdom you've been putting it off for 500 hours thank you so much

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you're now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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Thank you and garrett zecher.com shouts me out in my website where my writing lives nothing

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weird all free promise thank you so much you're now a policy wonk

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I'm a policy wonk

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Thank you very much

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And we had a technocrat in the mix Jordan so thank you so much to

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Read the Department of Truth by James Dinean IV thank you so much you're now a technocrat

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I'm a policy wonk

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Four stars go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant

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Someone someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop

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Daddy shark

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Bomp bomp bomp bomp bomp

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent

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He's a loser little little titty baby

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I don't want to hate black people I renounce Jesus Christ

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Thank you so much

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Yes thank you very much

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So we start off at the beginning of this well I'll say I'll just give you a little bit of

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unclipped background of stuff that's going on

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Bill is promoting a lecture that he's going to be doing at a new age UFO conference

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And he's defensive about how he's not part of the new age and he's

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This whole thing is about how the new age people are the mystery religion or

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He's like I'm not part of the new age I'm not into ufology but anyone will let you

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go to their conference if you just buy a table so he's going and he's going to give a lecture

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about how the mystery religion killed Kennedy yeah and I was able to find that lecture so

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I might cover it at some point in the future

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I don't know if maybe that's I don't know if maybe we're laughing because it's ridiculous

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or if I'm laughing because I think that was the exact right move at the time and that's part of

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a lot of where we are where we are is that those people were like fuck yeah I'll go to a new age

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conference I don't agree with any of this bullshit but I'll spout nazi shit to them yeah and then now

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we're here where they're all nazis now yeah it's a real smoke them if you got them situation

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anyone who will let me be around maybe you know hey maybe it's a waste of time but I get uh you

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know I remember I remember um like participating in like fundraising drives for charity yeah like

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where you would stand uh next to a bell or whatever and like you know around Christmas

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time or whatever people you'd be outside the grocery store and people would put money in the

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in the can and I remember the mentality of like every little bit counts yeah you know if someone

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puts a dime in that's not small sure that's something that counts every bit counts sure

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uh and I think that that's the mentality that bill and these folks had with spreading their

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information yeah um wise it's paid off it has so um douchebags bill's plugging this appearance at

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that conference uh and then he gets the meat of the show proper and he's just reading a

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Ralph Emerson's book again Jesus he's just started off chapter two oh god something is wrong

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in America no doubt about it there's a new religion appearing many of it called

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many of you call it the new age religion and it appears to be the exact opposite of the old

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age religion meaning the religion of the Jews and the Christians it's not really that different I've

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studied it I've talked to people who practice it they claim it's not a religion but it is

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Christ that ceased to become a man the son of God the actual manifestation of God in the flesh on

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earth and it's become the consciousness the Christ consciousness and anyone can be Christ if they

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have this Christ consciousness in the new age religion now these are the two religions the

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Christian religion and the Jewish religion that set the United States on its course because these

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religions taught that mankind had some basic human rights they held that the family was the basic

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unit in all of the world they believed in the right to private property they believed in the

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unalienable which is defined as being incapable of being surrendered right to life they held that

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each person had the right to worship their god and they held that all had the right to freedom

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of association they shall be so disclosed during this series these positions were deemed to be

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self-evident by those who wrote the American Declaration of Independence and the Constitution

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so right off the bat Bill is up to his old tricks covering up this plagiarism yeah the original text

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said quote as shall be documented in this study which you can hear Bill editing as he reads at

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the end there when he changed documented to disclosed and this study to this series

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it's very intentional and um yeah this this episode in particular ends up becoming really

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confusing on this front on account of it's supposed to be a book that you're reading

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but instead a man is reading it to you while pretending that it's not a book yes yeah yeah

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that is a unique experience there are distinct choices that are made in order to obscure the

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fact that this is a book yeah um and that's uh that's not cool that's not good no i wonder i

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wonder if you could get away with like a tv show that is really just one guy reading a book but

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there would be a full-on like actors like actors there would be sets there would be all of that

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stuff and they would just be mouthing the whole thing and that's kind of what i'm feeling like

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we're experiencing here yeah is it transformative not really no so uh he reads on there's a quote

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about the new age uh being uh against christianity stuff from a nichi ooh frederick wilhelm nietzsche

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a german philosopher and one of the teachers of many of the world's leading communist

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revolutionaries and international socialists but the argument quite succinctly in this statement

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quote i condemn christianity i raise against the christian church the most terrible of all

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accusations that any accuser uttered it is to me the highest conceivable corruption unquote

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remember the priests the initiates of the mystery schools believe that christianity is a corruption

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of the mysteries the worship of lucifer represented by the sun the light oscurus so that nietzsche

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is from his book the antichrist and it's not about oscirus i don't think it's a controversial take to

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say that nietzsche wasn't super into god yeah but i don't know what this has to do with the new age

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kind of stuff like i i don't see this doesn't have this is great this is someone who is attacking

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christianity that's for sure yeah yeah yeah um but it doesn't relate to the larger theme the larger

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premise yeah i mean i feel like now that we live in a world of the the internet you know where

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there's like everybody can always be talking right instead of back in the day where there were so

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many gatekeepers that if you even published a book like something that nietzsche wrote uh you know

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he was he was hot in argument circles at the time kind of thing and now it feels like if you brought

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him to the present day he's just an edgelord you know he's just another one of those shit talkers

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on twitter and that was and that was cool and now he's useful for the other people who want to talk

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shit on twitter about yeah i don't know i don't know i don't know if he's just an edgelord but i

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get i get what you mean there's there's a bit of like a lot of the he said a lot of inflammatory

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yeah yeah you say you you're full of shit man you don't believe that you're just trying to get clicks

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and you're and and these people like bill and you know whoever are using those inflammatory things

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in order to right sidestep discussing what is being discussed although it is fairly close i mean

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he did yeah he did hate christianity right sure no look no argument here don't know if he is from

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egypt or all that mystery school stuff i don't know where the connection is there but yes fine

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i really feel like and maybe i'm just maybe i'm just wrong about this but i feel like whoever has

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the claim to like the oldest possible religion has like a head start right i feel like they have

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a head start on reality or on their reality or on their religion being true if it was the very first

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one that people thought of especially if bill's argument is that this one predates christianity

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right then it does seem i i think that he doesn't deal with that enough yeah i feel like it should

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be more important yeah so we got an itchy quote sure and then we got another quote from another

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guy who's very cool text mars an author who has written in opposition to the new age wrote this

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about their hatred of the christians quote the new age believers told you could be a god in the next

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instant if only those horrible christians weren't around with their poisonous attitudes and quote

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so tex mars isn't just someone who is opposed to the new age religious ideas he was a raging

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anti-semite here's a bit from the blurb he used to sell his book holy serpent of the jews quote

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jesus once declared ye serpents ye generation of vipers how can ye escape the damnation of hell

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amazingly the jews have proven to be exactly what jesus prophesied they're the people of the serpent

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unregenerated hypocrites whose religion is unparalleled in its treachery its wickedness

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and its unbounded filth so far bill is just reading epperson's book which has been a

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nichey quote and a quote from a huge bigot yeah not sure if this makes any point about the mystery

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religion but i'm sure it'll all make sense down the road like i think i think that you have to

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understand some of tex mars's shit within the context of sometimes he was talking about the new

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age as a proxy yeah because he wasn't doing his open anti-semitic stuff at certain points in his

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career yeah yeah and uh bill you should know better yeah for all for whatever come you know

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for my nichey analog tex mars should be a gamer tag like his name should just be tex mars hates

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jews 6969 like he's just a piece of shit yeah yeah and these people don't uh they they use them as a

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source freely and that's pretty good yeah so uh socialists hate uh christianity they hate it they've

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declared war so the socialists the new ager and the mason have declared war on the christians

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and as in every war the enemy must be defeated even by bloodshed if necessary

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this war has deep roots in history and i will cover those roots

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so that you will understand it perfectly where you are

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this war is no different bloodshed is anticipated by all parties in the battle

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la vetti lafferty and bud hollowell two new agers started the discussion about how their

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religion sanctions the use of violence against the christian community they wrote the following

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in their book entitled the eternal dance quote this is a time of opportunity for those who will

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take it apparently meaning the new agers the initiates of the mystery religions socialists

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for others apparently the christians if the earth is unsuitable for them if they will not accept

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the new age religion they will go on to other worlds unquote which simply means they will be

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exterminated is that what it means you better listen to me folks i am a messenger and my message

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is unmistakable and it had better not fall upon deaf ears for those deaf ears will be rendered dead

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in the coming new world order that quote that bill reads is a really interesting one because

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it doesn't really imply that people who aren't into the new age will be exterminated it says

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they quote will go on to other worlds that could mean they'll go live on mars or something it's not

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a scary quote and bill could probably find something with a little more weight behind it

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except that he's just reading epperson's book and this is the quote that epperson included yeah

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that part at the end though after the quote that's bill riffing and it shows that narcissism

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narcissistic flair and hatred of the stupid people yeah he's just stealing someone else's

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book and he has the nerve to ramble about how he's the messenger bringing humanity this important

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information that humans are too stupid to realize wild yeah he's uh he's he has a lot of that in him

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these stupid people yeah that's that's rough that's you will die if you don't listen to me

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like i respect the i respect the position that you're in being uh uh epperson or whatever and

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you're like well if they say go on to other worlds that's fairly easy to like slant rhyme

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your way into that's genocide but man that misses all the vibes that new age brings to just about

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everything you know sure and epperson in his text does end up uh having more quotes of people who

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are like the people who do not uh enter the enlightenment will not be suited to survive

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in the new shirt that makes more sense yeah those kinds of quotes are more like you're gonna die if

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you don't evolve yeah or whatever adapt or die yeah yeah so there are those which he's trying

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to tie to this one right um but it it doesn't it doesn't all naturally flow together yeah and i

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think that was just i i bring this up because i think that bill is selling this as an example of

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that and it isn't that no no no he's he's bound to the text in a way that he's not really making

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sense yeah this this new agey kind of thing yeah it's a there's a lot of tone in there you

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gotta have a lot of tone to make it clear yeah so uh bill reads here uh from uh i mean it's just

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epperson but right right it's about a pamphlet oh no another example of new age thinking on this

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vital issue came from a pamphlet available in a bookstore selling new age material it was

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published by something called the guardian action publications of new mexico and it was entitled

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cosmic countdown this pamphlet alleged that it had received these thoughts from something called

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higher intelligence and it directed its attention to the hunger disease problem in the third world

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and the pamphlet simply stated quote the world should be forewarned to be on the lookout for

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diseases which have been suppressed for years suddenly rearing their ugly heads and decimating

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populations already on the verge of starvation in the third world nations although these peoples

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will eventually be replaced by the new root race about to make its appearance in a newly

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cleansed world nevertheless for the moment this is a tragedy unquote you see they have made

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incredible admissions but none of you are looking none of you are reading none of you are absorbing

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in fact most of you are so stupid that you think that the only thing you should reach is what you

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personally believe in or agree with so that anger at stupid people that's all bill but the rest of

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it is him just reading epperson who apparently thinks he's found very important to sourcing in

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a random bookstore he found a pamphlet called cosmic countdown put out by someone called the

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guardian action publications of new mexico sure is this a source that means anything should we

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really take this all that seriously so this is an interesting instance of double plagiarism

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epperson is citing this bit in his book but what he's actually doing is stealing a chunk from

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constants cumbi's book the hidden dangers of the rainbow which i know predated epperson because

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epperson cited the book in the last episode that we went over this part is just taken from her book

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which she attributes to a pamphlet that she saw in a bookstore in 1982 oh for fuck's sake epperson

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stole this from her and bill is now stealing it from epperson great and what's at the core of it

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is just some nonsense pamphlet somebody who talked to an alien yeah i resent i resent them bringing

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up a pamphlet period yeah i resent have i resent being forced to speak about pamphlets i i don't

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think anything that comes in a pamphlet it's the exact wrong size for any amount of information

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and the word is incorrect pamphlet terrible hate it even if there wasn't like this dubious chain

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of custody for the information and it was presented totally appropriately you're right it's

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still just a pamphlet that someone found yeah who cares yeah i've seen so much crazy shit at

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independent bookstores and don't really take it seriously as the plotting of the enemy or

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something no it is it is a literary version of like can you believe what this fortune cookie

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says like fuck you if you've got if you're coming at me with a pamphlet yeah fuck you yeah yeah and

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i i would criticize bill a little more except he's just reading a book right so like he didn't

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choose to include this the guy who wrote the book did right which means either he should be

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criticized a little bit less or a lot more i think a little bit less on one count and a lot more on

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another more on another yeah uh there's no editorial oversight especially if you're closing

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it out with you think the only thing worth reading is what you think is worth reading

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yeah like well have you ever read that pamphlet bill what are you doing yeah what are we doing

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yeah what's everybody doing right now i did find this pamphlet yeah on ebay but someone had already

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bought it motherfucker i was thinking about buying a copy of it just see what's going on with this

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cosmic countdown that clearly was real yeah so um bill goes on to show that the new majors are talking

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about the physical death of the enemy one must only search the writings of other new agers

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another believer to write on the subject of the destruction of those who will not accept the new

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religion was ruth montgomery and she has been quoted as saying in a transcribed interview

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carried by a magazine called magical blend quote millions will survive and millions won't those

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who won't will go into the spirit state because there is truly no death estimates of the number

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to perish have been made by some new agers one who has made such an estimate is john randolph price

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who was quoted by tex mars in his book about the new age and he said that quote john randolph price

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was told by his spirit guide that up to two and one half billion might perish in the coming chaos

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unquote and we already know that the goal of the plan called global 2000 is to deplete the

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population by two billion people by the year 2000 okay well that uh how'd that go well i we at

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tex mars noted uh lunatic anti-semite yep who's quoting this other guy who apparently heard from

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his spirit guide yep what are we doing what are we doing yeah quoting random pamphlets from

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bookstores that bill's never read right some guy's fucking spirit guide also who cares you're you're

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at a if you're at a new age party right everybody's fucking doing their own thing and then there's the

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guy who's like you know the future's gonna be fucked up and everybody's like man you're having

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your own vibes you get the fuck away from here and now tex mars is making that guy the representative

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for everybody at this party fuck you man that that guy's the creep yeah my spirit guide told me no

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you gotta get out of here man and i think that if you're somebody who's like trying to take seriously

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your obligation to prove that there's a mystery cult that runs the world yeah these are embarrassing

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data points yeah yeah yeah at the very least have a little bit more humility than all of you

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dum-dums don't read the books i read again because he did not read that pamphlet exactly if you'd

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read that pamphlet maybe i still wouldn't care but it would be a little bit closer to like you earned

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that you people are stupid yeah yeah yes now you're an asshole yeah total ass yeah so we get to

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um some other um sources about this new age stuff and and i thought i thought that this was a really

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interesting one too okay and weithaupt folks was aware of the enormous power of government

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talk about adam weithaupt the uh the illuminati fame sure and he desired its power for his members

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he committed his organization to its infiltration then he committed it to unspeakable purposes

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anything that would further the goal of the illuminati he even went on to grant permission

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to his members to distort the truth by lying if it would further their goals he wrote this quote

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there must not a single purpose ever come in sight that may betray our aims against religion

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and the state one must speak sometimes one way and sometimes another but so as never to

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contradict ourselves and so that with respect to our true way of thinking we may be impenetrable

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and hurt when you wonder why politicians continually lie and continually break their

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promises and no matter who you elect republican or democrat it doesn't make any difference

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perhaps a perfect example of an oath that these initiates take somewhere along the road to the

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pinnacle inside the secret society was given in a book written by george orwell entitled 1984

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mr orwell has an initiate into a secret society called the brotherhood in his story ask these

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questions quote are you prepared to give your life are you prepared to commit murder are you

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prepared to commit acts of sabotage which may cause the death of hundreds of innocent people

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are you prepared to betray your country to foreign powers are you prepared to cheat to forge to

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blackmail to corrupt the minds of children to distribute habit-forming drugs to encourage

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prostitution to disseminate venereal diseases to do anything which is likely to cause demoralization

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and weaken the power of the people are you prepared to commit suicide if and when we order

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you to do so this folks is an example of the philosophy that the ends justify the means

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the initiate should do as he was required as long as the act benefited the brotherhood there is no

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morality under such an oath so bill just jumps from something adam weishaupt allegedly said over

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to a passage from george orwell's fictional book 1984 yeah this isn't good work it is a blending

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source in a way that doesn't distinguish between what's real and what's made up blurring that line

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is a really critical part of the conspiracy theory dissemination which is why you see it

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so consistently with bill and alex adam weishaupt was a real person and the illuminati that he

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founded was real however tons of lore has been built up around it to the point where if you're

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talking to someone and they bring him up you never really know if what they're saying is based on

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something real or something from a pamphlet they found at a bookstore so citing him is dicey ground

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but it's meant to signal to something that's real it's non-fiction but 1984 was fiction the

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brotherhood didn't exist and this oath that the initiate is made to give isn't real it feels real

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because it's well-written fiction that mirrors elements of the real world and feelings that

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people have about the callousness of people in powerful positions but it's not something that

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you can use as a reference to make a point about a real secret society that you're trying to discuss

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and unveil in this lecture series yeah saying these people are like the brotherhood is fine

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and i wouldn't really complain too much about that but this is a passage where evidence is supposed

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to be being presented and including this here is just shit ultimately bill is still just reading

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eperson so my criticism is really for eperson but bill's gonna take the heat because he chose to

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steal bad work yeah he chose to steal garbage and that reflects poorly upon him yeah yeah you're the

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worst raccoon yeah i here's my pitch all right we gotta figure out a way to do some sort of like uh

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you know like crop rotation you know like if you if you plant corn all the time you're gonna suck

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out all the stuff so you gotta plant soybeans and then you gotta plant you know you gotta rotate the

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crops we gotta do that with our dystopias we can't nobody can talk about 1984 anymore

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five-year moratorium pick a different one for the next for until 2030 you can't talk about

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1984 well did you like how earlier uh bill referenced global 2000 right agenda 21 right

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agenda 2030 oh we got that was maybe maybe the obsession beforehand for agenda 21 jesus came

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along yep uh yeah it would be good it would be good if we had a different uh hellscape just pick

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well i think we should just start talking about the giver more let's just start talking about the

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giver ah how do they make those memories going through the guy's hands huh all right yeah uh

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let's let's uh obsess about that and how that was predictive programming i think it's important

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so i've realized that bill he structures his show in such a way that he just goes he takes a break

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whenever he hits the end of a chapter right so he's reading this chapter and then he plays a

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song okay but this callous disregard for the right to life of every human on the face of the earth has

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been predicted before in the new testament john was moved to write in john chapter 6 verse 12

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quote yay the time cometh that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth god's service

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unquote the new world order ladies and gentlemen will sail in on a sea of blood

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we have to take a short break now folks don't go away i'll be right back after this short pause

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can you hear me in the booth so he goes to break and he plays another song from the simpson sing

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the blues album he's singing it's lisa's version of god bless the child yeah i i heard that yeah

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i heard that that was strange yeah he plays more of it but i i didn't want to risk any kind of

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copyright he did that on purpose yeah and he did because he played the mr burns and smithers song

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on the last episode and now he's played the lisa he likes i think he likes that album very eclectic

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yeah yeah i don't think he has rights to play the no i do not think so yeah i don't know if

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matt graning would be interested in that but i do i do enjoy how basically just goes to he ends his

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segments whenever there's nothing left to steal he's come to the end of the chapter now we're

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gonna play this simpson song that's so crazy to me yeah that's that's like i don't i don't know

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what the explanation for all of what he's doing really is you know like if i sat down and we're

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like okay get rid of all of the the trappings of you being a radio show host or any of that

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bullshit and just like tell me your plan i'm going to read this book on the radio and lie

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and act like i'm saying these things yeah right i don't understand though how you don't know that

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if you have a chapter break and then play a song it is far easier for me to catch up with the whole

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you're reading a book thing well it is now but like at any point it would be just as easy if

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all you had access to was like this if you have the book or you don't sure you know i guess that's

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fair i think i i don't think it's any more or less brazen in the in a time when it would be much

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harder to track down like what are you saying yeah uh i think it's weirder that he's playing simpson

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songs i think that no no i agree i that's that feels like one of those just idiosyncrasies that

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some people just it it comes out somewhere oh i thought they were supposed to have been the ones

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who like uh really um destroyed the family that bill so uh cares a lot about i recall not being

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encouraged to watch the simpsons because of their immorality yeah yeah weird yeah so uh he goes to

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break and uh plays lisa sings the blues sure uh and then he comes back and i was like motherfucker

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you're just reading chapter three of this book oh my god well let's continue here the new age

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religion folks it's going to have a worldwide leader a charismatic political and religious

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leader that they call lord mitreya at least so far that's who they call him or that's what they call

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him this individual as far as i know has not made his public appearance yet but the new agers claim

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that he is on the earth at the present time oh my god we got to worry about lord mitreya

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bummer yeah that's a rough one well that's what the third chapter is about so

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that's what we're going to be talking about on top of everything else we got going on now we

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got lord mitreya yeah and guess what this motherfucker yeah this lord mitreya guy guy

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no what well i guess it depends on your perspective but i will tell you that he's got a

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fucking army tes mars has quoted this individual as saying quote my army is ready for battle my

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masters of wisdom and myself at the head that battle will be fought for the continuance of

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man on this earth rest assured that my army shall triumph unquote well it appears that the battle

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to be fought between the followers of lord mitreya and the rest of humanity is still in the future

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but at least one of the participants has an army already prepared how about you that's uh scary

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some nazi has told me that a make-believe guy has an army uh yeah great i i mean i i

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i strongly suggest that uh i'm not going to be afraid of an army until i have at the very least

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some evidence that this army exists or the person who's in charge of it is a real and not the

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imagined fantasies of a nazi no i trust anybody who has masters of wisdom by his side leading an

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army i just don't know about the size of the army you know sure you know army is a relative term

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yeah sometimes there's a pretty small armies sure but then again there's an army of one i've heard

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from the tv that's true every single soldier is is but an army of one and you can't underestimate

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something just based on its size we learned this from opal sure that's true that is true yeah so

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i i think you should be wise to learn my train of the rumple he too he was in he was in play yeah

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yep had something to do with uh xerxes or something i like that yeah i don't know they

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got an army though and i don't care i don't care about any of this no no no it's very strange it's

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very strange what we're doing here so bill confuses me a little bit by he's talking about

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one of these new age people making predictions okay and he confuses me with his tone one who

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claims to have seen the birth in a vision of someone who seems to fulfill the requirements

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of this mitra was astrologer jean dixon her major claim to being a prophet is her prediction

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reportedly made before the event of the assassination of president john kennedy in 1963

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however her credentials were dealt a serious blow in 1968 when she also prophesied that the soviet

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union would be the first to put a man on the moon another of her prophecies was that the republican

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party would be victorious in 1968 and it was with the election of richard nixon a republican

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but she also predicted that within the following decade 1970 to 1979 the two-party system as we

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have known it will vanish from the american scene she further predicted that richard n nixon had

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excellent vibrations for the good of america and would serve the country well

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so you can see that she's a very accurate person from which to

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judge the course of the future

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what i want to know the truth was i am the most accurate prophet of future events

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in history in history oh okay wait what how do are we just ending with that yeah that wasn't

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that wasn't part of the text that he's that was more of a big brag that he decided to throw in

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i was more of a big brag that he decided to throw in weird side and i kind of i don't know if you

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you'll agree with me fully but i i feel like he shouldn't be laughing at this person's failed

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predictions because he's supposed to be making me feel scared of these new age people and the

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mystical powers of lord mitreya yeah if they can't do shit and they don't have powers i'm not scared

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of them and i don't care about raising up an army to kill people who leaves the pamphlets at random

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bookstores the idea that gene dixon is a fake prophet and was wrong about stuff actually i

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feel like it works against bill's larger thesis but then again he's just reading someone else's

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book so he doesn't have control over the content that he's going to read but like they should have

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some powers yeah right yeah no i mean look okay all right all right so like if your your god is

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real right and you're wearing your armor of god right you're not afraid of not real gods that's

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the idea because you've got the real one right but if there's multiple if you've got like a

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good pantheon bad pantheon then and you're just in the you're in the balance you know you're trying

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to pick somebody who's on your team without the devil or without you know if the new age guy is

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just an asshole who's talking shit then i should then by being afraid of him i'm blaspheming my

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own god you know yeah i i guess i guess the feeling that i have is more just like

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this is supposed to be something that goes back to like you he was talking about them being able

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to do magic in a past episode exactly so like if it's not and they're just random shit like they

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don't can't predict anything they don't really do magic you shouldn't be laughing at them you

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should take this deadly serious absolutely they can do magic god can do magic magic people can do

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magic this is a this is a fight yeah you know like if the magic people are just talking shit

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god can do magic man my magic wins yeah and bill said that he's the most accurate prophet so he

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should take prophecy seriously yeah what are we doing i can laugh at both of them because i don't

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believe either of them are profits shit but bill should i is tone just i don't get it it's i mean

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yeah but it's it happens every time it happens every time somebody's like can you believe those

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idiots believe that and then you interrogate what they believe and you're like i don't know if you

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should be doing that yeah that does happen a lot yeah so uh bill uh does some more plagiarism me

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stuff here but in any event ruth montgomery wrote a book about her entitled the gifts of prophecy

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in which she wrote about the very revealing and intriguing vision that gene dixon allegedly had

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quote the vision which gene considers the most significant and soul stirring of her life occurred

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on february the 5th 1962 she saw the brightest sun she had ever seen isn't it funny how that

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sun always pops into this stuff now remember that it's actually not funny to the sun folks so in the

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original text from epperson there's a parenthetical comment that says quote the reader is x to

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remember this reference to the sun bill wanted to retain the point of that comment because it loops

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back to his egypt shit from earlier episodes but he knows that if he said the reader it would become

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clear that he was reading a text that was uh it was meant to be read not like a script for a radio

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show that he could have written right it feels like it's flogging a dead horse a little bit at

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this point but i feel like instances like this are clear there's an intent to them yeah and

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that's why this is so fucked up yeah because we get to the end of this episode he finishes chapter

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three and then here is what he says at the end ladies and gentlemen dear listeners so that you

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would realize that i'm not making any of this up i took last night's program and tonight's program

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verbatim from the introduction all the way through chapter three of a book entitled the new world

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order by my good friend a ralph epperson again the title of the book is the new world order by a

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ralph epperson and you can order that book in any good bookstore if you can't find it in your area

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contact us and we will make arrangements with this person to be able to furnish that book to you

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if you would like to purchase it i also recommend that you purchase my book behold a pale horse it's

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a handbook for what's going to happen in the coming years especially in this country and

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without it you will be crippled if you would like to purchase my book behold a pale horse if you're

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a cadre member send 25 that includes postage and handling if you're not a cadre member send 30

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that includes postage and handling so he says that he's just read from this guy's book

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but i also feel like it's a ploy to sell his book i feel like it's part of an ad the discussing that

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i took this from a book but he also says i read verbatim yeah and that's not true that's a lie

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he editorialized considerably oh totally along the way totally um and also he does not say i

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had permission there there's no there's no indication of permission nope from epperson

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just an acknowledgement here this is not the right place for it it's he did not he didn't

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make it clear on the other episode right i don't know man this is weird did i mean maybe epperson

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called him out for it no i don't think so it seems it seems hard to believe but at the same

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time his argument for why he did it apparently was so i would know he's not making anything up

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yeah which is an insane argument for why you would just read verbatim somebody else's book

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yeah as if you were saying it yeah he means this to almost be a little bit of a reveal like a ta da

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right but that's not you guys all thought that i was just saying these things right did did

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we i didn't i thought you were plagiarizing something so he yeah the reveal in the audience's

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mind is supposed to be like oh my god this isn't just bill he's reading a book right that someone

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published i guess i guess that's what it's supposed to be but even still that doesn't get

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him off the hook for the ways he changed the text in order to present it as his own exactly along

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the way like it's still there's still intent this is this is a true curveball i genuinely don't

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understand that's what i'm saying this is this like i i'm trying to think because i do think

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that he has i like if i was talking to him he would be able to explain in a way that makes

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sense to him what it is that he's doing right and so i'm trying to reverse engineer something that

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would make sense to this person and i don't i can't think of anything for this one it's hard

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and i think that um you also run into like what is gained by this little trick absolutely whatever

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yeah and i don't think that these passages that he stole were so important to proving his mystery

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babylon stuff like what what's with this pamphlet i don't care yeah i i don't care about lord

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mitrea what are you talking about also if okay so you were reading this to me

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so i would know that you're not just making this up um okay so that guy made it up yeah exactly

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right right what are we doing here what is it you're just okay so you're not even taking

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responsibility for the bullshit that you're spouting at me right is that what's happening

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it's it's insane this is insane that is such a i i swear that makes less sense to me than

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anything that's happened so far is that him revealing aha actually i've been stealing yeah

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what and it also doesn't take into account the other stuff that he's plagiarized yeah like he

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this is it's not just this book no he's he's done that with even in the mystery babylon series

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so like it does i yeah i'm i'm completely inexplicable yeah i am i am flabbergasted

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i think that this doesn't get him off the hook for the behaviors for sure um it is a weird move

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and because he goes on to describe how you can buy his book i think some of it is uh the the

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intention of revealing like this is all from a book and you can buy my book right i think there's

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there's a salesy aspect i can see that i can see that i just man inexplicable it's very

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weird he's a weird guy yeah he's a weird guy yeah so we have one last clip after he he has

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come clean about this what a weird choice this is gonna make you even like more confused how

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is that possible because i i think there's something to build speaking from the heart

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folks we are nearing the end of the road of civilization as we know it unless we wake up

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unless we take control and make sure the future is what we want it to be and one of the things

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that we must do now immediately is stop fighting amongst each other stop fighting the man who

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doesn't look like you or the woman who doesn't look like you the people who have a different

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skin color than you do we must learn to live together and it's nobody else's business what

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somebody else's religion is it doesn't hurt us if they want to practice their religion as long as

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they are not hurting us in the process so why go to war with them we are all brothers and sisters

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in this world no matter who we are let's learn to live together

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and love each other good night and god bless each and every one of you

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so

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or simpson's i yeah i was i was like god i know this is gonna be i know i

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like ahh! Get those voices in, come on let's do this! Yep. But yeah, this is where the Bill

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Cooper of it all is very confusing. Yeah. Because on some level he does have a full-throated,

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like, fuck this racist shit. Sure. Like, you know, we gotta learn to live together. Sure. Most of

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what he ends up perpetuating and sporting is not in line with that. Yeah. And he's promoting and

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relying on sources like Tex Mars, which undercut his seeming interest in living together. Sure.

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But that message choosing to end the show with that is pretty, it means something, right?

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It doesn't? No! I don't know. I don't know! I don't know, I mean, I guess it starts,

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like, that's, to me, that message from Bill Cooper, that's what we should view America as.

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Like, that is it. That is the, all men are created equal. Eh, not black people. Eh, women aren't

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allowed. And like, we'll just pick and choose when and if everybody's created equal, but when I want

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to feel like I'm a good person. Right. When I want to feel like I'm an Enlightenment-era thinker.

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I'm not just out here fucking, I'm talking about Aristotle and shit, you know? That's whenever I

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can tell you that we need to stop fighting each other. We need to, it doesn't matter what race

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you are. No women still. But no, it doesn't matter what race, you know, like, it's crazy.

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Yeah, it's still, it's still a weird thing to hear, like, it, it, on its face, if you take away

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all of the baggage that's around it, it's a positive message. Sure. That you don't expect

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militia right-wing weirdo. No, I mean, it could be argued, maybe even convincingly,

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that regardless of the sincerity of that, like, all rights, all of us are created equal being a

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thing, by making it a, a, the, the, the end goal, by making it something that the arrow is pointing

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towards, it is good. Regardless of the fact that it came from slave owning, uh, pieces of shit,

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you know? But at the same time, slave owning pieces of shit can go fuck themselves, you know?

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Like, it's such a weird, it's such a weird contradiction to have, of like... Well,

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in order for it to be good, it must be divorced from everything else that the slave holding

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pieces of shit, uh, like, held. And I, I think that that's the piece that, the reason that it

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becomes kind of hypocritical is the refusal to let go of that stuff while pretending to care about

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this stuff. And that's, that's difficult. Um, but also I think that there's an inherent contradiction

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of like him being, we have to be tolerant of everyone else's religion. Yeah. This is part

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six of my 30 part series on a mystery religion. Exactly. It's, it's like, if, if you believe in

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religious tolerance to the extent that you do, what is, why are you... I don't have any real

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evidence from anything that I've heard so far. Yeah. That this quote unquote alleged mystery

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Babylon religion is somehow outside of that scope of what should be covered by religious tolerance.

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No, it is, it is 100% that first amendment, like, oh, everybody can practice any religion they want

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to. All kinds of Christianity, Catholic and non. You got all of them. You can practice what are

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there more? No, no, no, no, no, no. Get the fuck out of here. Yeah. Yeah. It's very strange,

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but I guess if you can interpret any other religion as being a threat to your ability

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to practice your religion, then the freedom of religion doesn't exist. Right. So all of those

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high-minded ideals kind of go away if you're able to frame something as being a threat. Yeah, no,

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there's, there's definitely in that little message, like 15 different loopholes that you can find

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where it's like, as long as it's not a threat to our, well, what do you define as a threat to us

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being, and then is it just via their existence and then we're all, yeah. Yeah. It still sounds

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better than a lot of Tex Mar's stuff. That's true. So like, I guess it's damning with faint

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praise, but like, it's good. You did an impression of someone who sounds all right, Bill. Something

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like it. So we come to the end of this, I'm more confused than ever about the nature of his

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plagiarism. I don't know what I think anymore. I know that I don't know anything about mystery

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religion. I know that we are way off track from what was in theory, something about Osiris,

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and the sun, and all this. And then we jumped to New World Order, and then we were now on

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New Age movements and Lord Maitreya. I don't know what I'm supposed to be learning. And I'm supposed

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to be like, whoa, this guy's reading. Which proves that he's not making it up. Which makes less

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sense to me than anything. Right. But now that he's given that charade away, or he's lifted that

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curtain, the next episode, if he's plagiarizing again, that looks really bad. Yeah. Yeah. So I

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guess we'll have to find out what he does, what his strategy is on episode seven. You know what?

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Okay. This is a con. This is one of those cons that you would say never, ever works, but works

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sometimes. They're like, I'm lying to you. That's why you can trust me, con. Where you're like,

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if you just got the... The man said he's lying to you, he's going to lie to you again. We walk

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away. Yeah. He's been willing on multiple episodes to present this material as his own. And now he's

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like, ha ha. No, you're just a liar. No, you're a liar. You lied to me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're

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done here. Get out of here. I'm not done. I'm going to see what else... Oh, no, I'm not talking

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about that. I'm talking about being conned. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, his audience

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probably just thought like, oh my God, he didn't make it up. Wow. He's even more truth telling.

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Yeah. So we'll see what happens in installment seven, but until then, we have a website. Indeed

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we do. It's knowledgefight.com. Yep. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Leo. I'm Leo. I'm

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DZX Clark. I am the mysterious professor. And now here comes the sex robots. Andy in Kansas,

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year on the year. Thanks for holding.

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