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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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Knowledge fight.
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Knowledge fight.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
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I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around,
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worship at the altar of Selene,
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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan, quick question for you.
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today, buddy?
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My bright spot today actually was just about
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half an hour before you got here.
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Okay.
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I got a call from the framing place.
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Oh, okay.
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I took in a number of things to go get framed.
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You've committed a crime.
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I have an alibi.
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No, I took in a number of things to get framed.
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Yeah.
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And they're ready.
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Ooh.
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Yeah, and so I'm excited to go pick these up
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because I don't know what they're gonna end up looking like.
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Yeah.
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One of them was that painting
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that used to be right over here.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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The Leo Zagami painting that someone sent in.
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Yep.
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And I got a really audacious frame for that one.
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Oh, okay.
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I splurged on a real,
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making it look like this is a real piece of art
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in a gallery.
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And there's some other things,
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and I'm just excited to go pick those up.
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Did you choose the frames for all of them?
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Yeah, yeah.
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Oh, okay.
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A couple of the pieces were just kind of boring frames,
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but that one I felt like
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this deserves a little bit of a boost.
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I like that, I like that.
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Yeah, so next time you're here in the studio,
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they should be-
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I'm excited.
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Yeah, I wanted to try and run and get them before today,
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but I did not have time.
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It'll be nice to see those.
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You know, it's like, I don't know,
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back in the day, you used to just hang stuff up.
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Now I feel like you gotta protect stuff with, you know,
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it's gotta look nice, it's gotta do the whole thing.
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Some things, yeah.
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Maybe I'm just nesting,
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or maybe it's just things are more important to me now.
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I don't know.
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I think you're finally growing up.
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Maybe I'm finally growing up.
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Yeah.
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I'll be a real boy someday soon.
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That's true, your birthday's coming up.
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It is coming up, that's true.
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Not quite 40.
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No, no, no, no.
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I'm still young.
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Oh yeah.
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Youngin'.
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It is brutal, it is brutal.
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My wife is like, oh, I'm turning 40.
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And I'm like, man, I'm only 38.
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This shit's gonna last forever.
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Yeah, two more years before you get to join our club
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of complaining about being 40.
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We'll have to keep getting old forever.
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Yeah, we're gonna have to keep getting DVDs of This Is 40
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for your birthday.
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Yeah, I'm excited.
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So what's your bright spot?
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My bright spot is the obvious, my wife is feeling better.
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So bright spot, away.
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I'm sure a lot of people were wishing her well
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and I guess it worked.
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Yeah, yep, she's feeling better.
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Everything's going better.
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And then my other bright spot is the TV show Mobland.
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We found it.
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Okay.
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Cause she was sick and we needed to do something.
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And I found this show called Mobland.
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Tom Hardy, Pierce Brosnan, Pete Brosnan,
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cause we're close.
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I thought you were gonna say Pete Posselthwaite.
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Pete Posselthwaite is a great name.
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I think he's dead.
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Yeah, I think he is dead too.
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No, it's a great show.
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It's British gangsters.
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Yeah.
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They're just doing British gangster shit.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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I feel weird about Tom Hardy.
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How?
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I mean, cause he makes me feel tingly.
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I feel weird because I like him in spite of like,
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I don't know why I like him exactly,
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but it turns out almost everything I see him in,
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I end up enjoying.
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I love everything he does.
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Yeah.
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Everything.
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It's absurd.
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Maybe he's talented.
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I think he's got a lot going for him.
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I think he's got some skills.
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Well, that's great.
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I'm glad you enjoyed that.
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I will not be watching it.
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I would suggest you do.
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It's great.
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Tom Hardy's in it.
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Now you're selling me.
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All right.
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I genuinely think I could watch anything he's in.
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Yeah.
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Check out that Venom 3 and see if you still think that.
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That one was rough.
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That was tough.
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Yeah.
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Oh, well.
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Better than Morbius?
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No.
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So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
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Okay.
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And we're gonna be going off the path.
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We're gonna leave our primary ding-dong to the side.
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Nice.
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And we'll get down to business on exactly
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what we're covering in a second.
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But first, let's say hello to some new Wongs.
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Oh, that's a great idea.
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So first, hey Nick, it's yellow the purple horse
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and purple the green horse.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy Wong.
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I'm a policy Wong.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next, Alex Jones is not a worm
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because worms contribute positively to the environment.
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AJ is a pile of microplastics.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy Wong.
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I'm a policy Wong.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And thank you to my wife, Ray and daughter, Vera Rose.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy Wong.
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I'm a policy Wong.
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Thank you very much.
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And we have a technocrat in the mix Jordan.
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So thank you so much to Kira.
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You introduced me to this show and now Dan and Jordan
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are shouting out you giving me brain worms,
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but to refer back to the other one, maybe microplastics.
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Love your friend, Jess.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy Wong.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser.
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Little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much.
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Yes, thank you very much.
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So Jordan, today what we're going to be doing
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is as important as it is to keep up with Alex,
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we do need to learn and we need to look to the past.
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We need to experience the underpinnings
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and the traditions that have led us to the point
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where Alex can do the bullshit he has and does.
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And so we are continuing our march through Mystery Babylon.
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Excellent.
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Last we left off, would you care to try and remember?
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Ah, OK.
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I'll give you a hint.
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It had to do with Osiris's dick.
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That's right.
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We left the sun.
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We went directly into vague Egyptian sounding words
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that were then related to other words, as is our want.
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Osiris, Obyrus, Otoysaurus.
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See, it all makes perfect sense now.
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Jeffrey the giraffe is Anubis.
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It makes the most sense.
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Yeah, so we were learning a lot about Egypt
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and Egyptian gods and dicks.
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And so we turn on part five, lecture number five.
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And I feel like we've made a little bit of a departure.
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And now we're just talking about the New World Order.
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Sounds right.
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Why are all of the legacies of the past, the family,
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national borders, the right to practice any chosen religion,
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the right to private property, among other things
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under such an attack?
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Is it possible that there are actually
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people and organizations who really
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want to change the basic order of things?
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Well, my regular listeners know the answer to that.
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Clues to the answers to these questions, folks, can be gleaned from some comments made by
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people and organizations that are talking about these wide-ranging changes in the nature
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of our lifestyle.
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An Associated Press dispatch on July the 26th, 1968, reported this, quote,
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New York Governor Nelson A. Rockefeller says as president he would work toward international
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creation of a new world order, unquote.
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And you thought George Bush coined that phrase.
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Surprise, surprise.
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I really feel like I've gotten whiplash from the Egypt stuff to now somewhat relatively
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current.
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Yeah.
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I don't know, man.
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Yeah.
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So Bill referred to Nelson Rockefeller as the governor of New York because he's reading
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from an AP article from 1968, but it's strange that he doesn't point out that Rockefeller
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went on to be Gerald Ford's vice president.
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I found this article, and it's real.
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Rockefeller was running for the Republican nomination, and he was advancing a position
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that was based on increasing dialogue with other countries in order to avoid war with
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China and the Soviet Union.
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He said, quote, We have no need to be mesmerized by our perils.
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The possibility to build the new order we all seek is limited only by our imagination
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and dedication.
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Bill knows that Rockefeller wasn't talking about some kind of Illuminati Egypt cult that
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he was working for, whatever the fuck.
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Interestingly, looking through some of these old newspapers, I was able to find a lot of
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mentions of the new world order previous to 1968 because, of course, Rockefeller didn't
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coin this term, and neither did Bush.
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Nobody did.
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A lot of them were in letters to the editor, and I bring this up to say that at one point
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they would print your address in the paper if you wanted to get your opinion published.
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That's how it worked.
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If you were going to talk some crazy shit and you wanted it to be spread widely, you
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had to be ready to stand behind that.
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There you go.
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There you go.
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I thought that was pretty wild to think about.
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There is a measure of quality control that maybe there are better ways to get there,
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but that is a way to get there.
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Yeah.
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You're taking on a risk by having your address posted, which means that only the people who
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really believe what they say or people who are recklessly and dangerously crazy.
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Absolutely insane.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Talk shit, get hit is not supposed to be a newspaper's editorial section, but hey, what
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are you going to do?
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Well?
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Bill has this Nelson Rockefeller quote, and he goes on.
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There's more people who have said new world order before.
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On January the 30th, 1976, a new document called the Declaration of Interdependence
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was introduced to the American people and it was signed by 124 traitors, 32 senators
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and 92 representatives, altogether 124 traitors in Washington DC.
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And it read in part, quote, two centuries ago, our forefathers brought forth a new nation.
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Now we must join with others to bring forth a new world order.
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Unquote.
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And you thought George Bush coined that phrase.
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I did.
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Surprise, surprise.
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So the title Declaration of Interdependence has been used a ton of times in the past hundred
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years.
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And in fact, there were two major ones in 1976, most likely because it was the bicentennial
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celebrating the 200th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence.
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The one that Bill is talking about was written by a history professor from Amherst College
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named Henry Steele Comager, or at least the preamble was.
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This small excerpt of the preamble is probably all Bill has ever read of this document because
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it was the part that was picked up by editorials in the National Spotlight, the anti-Semitic
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rag published by Willis-Carto's Liberty Lobby.
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The Spotlight was an old time white identity publication that probably coincidentally aired
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a show on the same shortwave station as Bill and the same one Alex would go on to broadcast
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on, WWCR.
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In the lead up to 1976, everyone was excited about celebrating the bicentennial, and different
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cities thought that they had the right to be the official event.
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Boston felt like they were the right choice, which Philadelphia didn't agree with, nor
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did DC.
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The federal government decided that it wouldn't be right to choose a city to the exclusion
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of another, so each place could do their own big celebration.
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Philadelphia decided that a part of theirs would be the commissioning of this Declaration
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of Interdependence.
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It had no official government authority and it meant nothing.
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It was symbolic and had a lot to do with the feeling that if the world didn't start
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working together, we were going to destroy ourselves, which is a prevailing attitude
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they had in the 70s and mid-2020s.
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As part of the celebration, a bunch of members of Congress signed the document, but their
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signature didn't mean anything in this context, at least not in terms of passing a law or
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it being considered a binding treaty.
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Literally every member of Congress could sign my autograph book, and that doesn't magically
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make it a law.
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The spotlight made a big deal out of this and how it was internationalism trying to
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take over the country.
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If you go back and you look at the response to this declaration, it's almost entirely
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associated with the spotlight and an editorial written by a guy named George Benson.
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Benson is remembered as the president of Harding University and, more importantly, as a fierce
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opponent of racial integration.
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Students at his college attempted to express their desire to desegregate, which led to
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him giving a speech in 1957, which the Arkansas Times described like this.
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Quote, citing Washington, D.C. as an example, Benson warned that integration would bring,
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quote, increased destruction to property, increased gonorrhea and syphilis, and increased
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pregnancies.
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Sounds right.
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He also railed against, quote, mixed marriages, which would lead to, quote, more broken homes
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and an increase in crime.
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What are you going to do?
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Benson concluded his speech with a line that Harding's faculty and students had heard him
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say before, but never with so much emphasis.
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Oh, boy.
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The blackbirds and bluebirds, the blue jays and mockingbirds.
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Oh, no.
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They don't mix and mingle together, young people.
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One of the things Benson was really good at was courting big donors to the school.
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He was actually able to massively grow the budget of Harding while he was there.
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Yeah, that sounds right.
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As an offshoot of this, he started an outlet called the National Education Program, which
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disseminated his op-eds to newspapers and distributed extreme right-wing periodicals.
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And it was, in essence, another John Birch Society type of entity.
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It pushed anti-communist hysteria and deeply regressive bigotry with the funding of pro-business
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groups of the time.
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These are the kinds of sources that Bill's pulling from.
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They were the groups that made a big deal out of this meaningless gesture that was part
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of this celebration in Philadelphia.
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Neo-Nazis like Willis Cardo and racist propagandists like Benson blew things out of proportion,
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and that exaggeration lives on in the legacy of the media ecosystem that they built.
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Bill is an extension of that, and Alex a further extension.
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They carry on the work, these bigots who like to pretend that they oppose desegregation
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because it was an anti-communist plot.
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That work, they kicked off.
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They got that ball rolling.
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Anyway, I don't know what this has to do with Osiris's penis, but I'm sure it'll all come
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together at some point.
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Well, I think that was going to be my next question, is we appear to have skipped ahead.
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Quite a bit.
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I prefer to go piece by piece because it feels as though the Mystery Babylon folk, just business
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as usual for several thousand years.
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It have to be.
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And then New World Order.
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What was the inciting, what was it just like the 70s?
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And they were like, you know what?
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It's time we stepped up.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, guys, we've been lazy.
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We've been Mystery Babyloning for too long.
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Too many Crispin Eastern Babyloners over here.
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So first there was Amun-Ra, and then we're a little bit Nelson Rockefeller.
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And now here we are.
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Yeah.
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All right.
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Okay.
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I can't just yada, yada, yada that many years.
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No, no, I found it disorienting.
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And maybe if I were listening to this as a serialized radio show at the time and took
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it seriously, I think I'd be confused.
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I would be a little bit unhappy.
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Why are we jumping all over the place?
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So Kissinger, he also said New World Order.
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Another individual who has commented is Henry Kissinger, probably the greatest traitor this
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nation has ever known, former Secretary of State.
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According to the Seattle Post Intelligence of April 18, 1975, Mr. Kissinger said, quote,
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Our nation is uniquely endowed to play a creative and decisive role in the new order which is
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taking form around us.
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Unquote.
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So Henry Kissinger used the words New World Order a lot more than just this one time,
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but I guess any example is as good as another.
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Yeah.
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In April 1975, Congress had voted against a proposed $722 million emergency military
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funding package that was meant to support South Vietnam.
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In theory, it was largely about evacuating the remaining American citizens in the country
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and providing evacuations for South Vietnamese people who were in serious danger after we
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pulled out of the conflict.
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Right.
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The Kissinger quote was in reference to this bill failing and how it represented the U.S.
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not taking up the leadership in the position in the world that it's uniquely placed to
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be in.
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This was an article from April 18 and Saigon fell on April 30.
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Sure.
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And all that, but there's also an understandable context to this quote that Bill isn't interested
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in.
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Someone just said the words New World Order and that's all that matters.
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Yeah.
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But since Bill is so interested in who said New World Order, I want to play a game with
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you Jordan.
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Okay.
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And see if you can guess whether or not certain people ever joined the New World Order.
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That's what I was going to, yep, okay.
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Hulk Hogan.
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Yes.
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He did join the New World Order.
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That is correct.
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Yeah.
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You're one for one.
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Yeah.
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Macho Man Randy Savage.
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He did join the New World Order.
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You're correct.
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Yeah.
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Two for two.
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Diamond Dallas Page.
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No.
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No.
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Yes.
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Yes, he did.
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Final answer?
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Yes, it is.
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My final answer is- Incorrect.
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God damn it.
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Yep.
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He was one of the holdouts.
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I couldn't remember if he was one of the holdouts or if he was one of the guys.
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Sting.
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Sting did not join the New World Order.
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Incorrect.
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God damn it.
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What was Sting doing in the New World Order?
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He was in the Wolf Pack.
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Oh, which one?
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Ah, okay.
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The red and black.
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Oh, the red and black.
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That's not fair.
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That's still the New World Order.
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Okay, fine.
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David Arquette.
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Actor David Arquette, who was at one time WCW World Champion.
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I know this.
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I know he's involved.
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I don't know if he joined the New World Order.
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I'm going to go with no.
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Correct.
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Oh.
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The Rock.
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The Rock did not join the New World Order.
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That's correct, but they did do a New World Order in the WWF later and Shawn Michaels
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joined.
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The problem there is every world order is at first the New World Order and then later
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the Old World Order.
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But it's still this brand.
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Okay, fair enough.
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That's all I'm talking about.
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Fair enough.
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Okay.
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Dennis Rodman.
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Dennis Rodman did join the New World Order.
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He did.
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Yes.
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And finally.
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I was a big Bulls fan.
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Paul Gilmartin.
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Comedian Paul Gilmartin.
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Comedian Paul, Mental Health Pod Paul Gilmartin.
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I'm going to go with yeah.
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He did.
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Yeah, that sounds right.
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He hosted dinner in a movie at the time.
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With uh.
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It was owned by like TNT.
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That's awesome.
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There was another Turner thing.
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That's awesome.
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Yeah, he ended up joining the NWO.
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Perfect.
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Yep.
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Well, you did better than I thought.
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Oh, thank you.
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But DDP was, you know, DDP and Sting.
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Those were your two.
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My initial reaction to DDP was he's a guy who would never join the New World Order.
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And then my next thought was, you don't know wrestling.
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Why would you say, this man will never join the New World Order?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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He did not.
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And then I'm going to get corrected by somebody that did.
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He did.
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I'm sure.
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Exactly.
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I've opened up a can of worms.
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There we go.
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So, um, yeah, I was just, at this point I was like, all right, people said New World
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Order a bunch.
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Yeah.
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I'm, I'm unimpressed.
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The story of Walter Mills maintains that prior to World War I, Colonel Edward Mandel House,
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the major advisor to Woodrow Wilson, the President at the time, had a hidden motive
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for involving America in the war.
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The historian wrote this, quote, The Colonel's sole justification for preparing such a batch
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of blood for his countrymen was his hope of establishing a New World Order of peace and
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security.
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Unquote.
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You see how these people fool themselves?
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They always say that the end is peace and security, a world utopia.
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But to get it, they spill more blood than ever has been spilled in history.
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Each time they try to bring about their utopia, the blood runs in the streets.
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They're liars.
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They're hypocrites.
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They're manipulators, deceivers.
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They are the worshippers of Lucifer.
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So by this point in the episode, I was pretty sure that most of this was just Bill reading.
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He was reading stuff.
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He was plagiarizing again.
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So I tried to figure out where all these quotes exist in the order that he's reading them.
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And I figured out that he was just reading the introduction to the book The New World
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Order by A. Ralph Epperson.
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Epperson was a classic New World Order and various other conspiracy theory crank.
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And I think my favorite of his big claims is that Jesse James wasn't killed in 1882,
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but instead lived on under a fake name and was elected Senator of Montana from 1901 to
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1907.
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That's the type of shit we gotta get back to.
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That's where I wanna live.
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I wanna live where a guy's just out of nowhere being like, and also, Jesse James is still
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alive.
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That's what I'm here for.
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So you see, Jordan, back in the day, there were a lot of these Wild West figures who
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were really famous, but no one really knew who they were.
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A lot of people didn't have IDs, they used fake names and wanted phone cameras.
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So there would be cool names like Jesse James and Billy the Kid.
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People could just pretend to be that person after they had died.
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Yeah, nobody's gonna stop you.
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It happened a lot, and it was actually the basis of the plot of Young Guns 2.
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Was that the one with Charlie Sheen and Emilio Estevez?
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Aren't they in both?
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I don't know.
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I mean, I think so.
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The Young Guns franchise had the two of them in it?
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I think so.
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Alright.
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Jon Bon Jovi.
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Really?
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Yeah.
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Did he join the New World Order?
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No.
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Ooh, he should've.
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He should've.
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Yeah.
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It was right there for him.
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There was a lot of Japanese baseball players.
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Sure.
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That sounds right.
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Who joined the New World Order.
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That sounds right.
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But not Jon Bon Jovi.
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Okay, fair enough.
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So in 1948, a man named J. Frank Dalton appeared and claimed to be Jesse James.
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Unfortunately he had also previously claimed to be a US Marshal named Frank Dalton, who
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he definitely wasn't.
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And also that called into serious question if J. Frank Dalton was even his actual name.
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He also spent a little bit of time pretending to be the head of a Confederate secret society
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called the Knights of the Golden Circle, which gave him access to tons of buried treasures.
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Love it.
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In 1995, Jesse James' actual descendants had his grave exhumed and they did mitochondrial
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DNA testing, which found that the body that was buried there was consistent with their
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DNA, strongly concluding that that was the actual Jesse James.
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Right, right, right.
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He's dead, yeah.
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Even if this guy was Jesse James, which he wasn't, Dalton was still like never a senator
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from Montana.
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This is just one of the great examples of these old-time US fraudsters, and A. Ralph
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Epperson wrote a whole damn book about how correct this guy's claims were.
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Yeah.
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And he also wrote a book about the New World Order, which Bill is just plagiarizing here
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on the radio show, reading these various times people have said New World Order.
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Those were the days.
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Those were the days when you could just do whatever you want.
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I mean, you say that it was like the Old West, but when you stop and think about what you
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could do and how it was just whatever you want, that's crazy.
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Yeah.
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That's crazy.
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Yeah, I was reading something about that, and apparently Jesse James and some of his
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robberies and stuff, he would use disguises.
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Yeah.
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And so a lot of people really had no idea what he looked like.
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Why would you?
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That's the idea.
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Yeah.
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If you're a famous bank robber, you should not know what he looks like.
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Yeah.
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It's very simple.
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Someone who had claimed to have met Jesse James said that this guy was Jesse James,
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and then he realized, well, actually, no.
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He's at least the person that I was introduced to as Jesse James at some point.
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To be clear, I am not reporting accurate information.
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I'm reporting the information that I was given.
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I only know that I met him 20 years ago as Jesse James, so if he's doing this, he's been
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doing it for a while.
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Yeah.
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No.
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I mean, the power of a letter of recommendation back then, the power of a letter that you
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absolutely could have written yourself.
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Yeah, that can't be fake.
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Incredible.
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Incredible.
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So Hitler also said New World Order.
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Sure, I bet he did.
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Adolf Hitler, a socialist and the head of the German government prior to and during
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the nation's involvement in World War II, is quoted as saying this, quote, national
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socialism will use its own revolution for the establishing of a new world order, unquote.
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Adolf Hitler was a socialist.
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He means national socialism.
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Hitler confided to Hermann Rauschning, the president of the Danzig Senate, quote, national
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socialism is more than a religion.
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It is the will to create superman, unquote.
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And what is the number of the man?
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Six, six, six.
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You see, in the New World Order, only one man will be allowed to live, the new man,
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the illumined man.
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Okay.
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The number of that man is 666.
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You will see that number increasingly all around you.
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I've not seen the number 666 around me pretty much ever, with two exceptions.
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The only places I've ever seen it are in art that's meant to freak people like Bill
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out and then when people like Bill freak out about said art.
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I would say that 666 has almost zero impact on my life outside of that.
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I don't run into it everywhere.
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Oh, sometimes you'll see it in, like, graffiti and you'll be like, ah, some child went 666.
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Sure.
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And you're like, well, the reason they did that was because it freaks people like Bill
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out.
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There is no...
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Maybe a slot machine or a lotto comes up 666.
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Hey, that's, isn't that creepy?
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It's not, but is it?
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Yeah.
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It plays a very small role in my life.
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I'm not sure that that's a real Hitler quote, but even if it is, it's not surprising that
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he would be talking about wanting a New World Order that's different from the old one.
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That was kind of his big thing.
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He was all about that.
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He wasn't a fan of the current one.
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Yeah.
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The quote about supermen is from Hermann Röschening, who left the Nazi party in 1934 and fled Germany
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in 1936.
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In 1939, he published a book called Hitler Speaks, which has also been called The Voice
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of Destruction.
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The book contains a lot of things alleged to have been said by Hitler, but many historians
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look on it with a bit of skepticism.
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Some people who question the book's authenticity are straight up neo-Nazis and Holocaust deniers
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who are seeking to defend Hitler from looking as bad as he does in the text.
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But other non-Nazi folks have also found some reason to think that some of the book at least
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is inauthentic.
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Either way, in the text, Röschening says, quote, those who see a national socialism
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nothing more than a political movement know scarcely anything of it.
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It's more than a religion.
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It is the will to create mankind anew.
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So Bill is just reading from the introduction to Epperson's book, though, so he misses a
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lot of the context around these things.
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Sure.
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I don't know if people even care at all.
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It's just, I'm just going to read this book.
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Like, here's what blows me away about people like this is like, at no point in time does
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it ever occur to them that another language has things like New World, like, like whenever
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Yes they do.
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No more orders of chloro.
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Like when Xi Wangdi makes China, he's like, it's a New World Order.
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Like the word that he was just saying that everybody says that before they make a new,
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like when Cromwell murdered that guy, he was like, oh, it's a New World Order.
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And then 40 years later, it was the same world order again.
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They just went back.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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Yep.
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What's the new boss?
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Same as the old boss.
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Everybody just says, everybody just says New World Order every time.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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If you were in the who, and then the guess who came along, would you fight them?
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I bet it made them angry.
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I think I'd fight them.
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And then I think at the same time it made them confused.
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Cause they're like, why are we angry about this?
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Like if you were, if you were in like 3-11 and someone came out with 3-12, you have to
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fight.
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It sucks.
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Why?
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Why?
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What if somebody came out with 3-10 though?
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If somebody says 3-10, is that, are you like, oh, well that's a compliment to us.
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It's a lesser priority to kick their ass, but you do need to still kick their ass.
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Right.
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Gotcha.
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Okay.
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It's less insulting, but it is still like, you're on our toes.
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Right, right, right, right.
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Gotcha.
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Um, anyway, Bill, I don't know, man.
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Is the beer insulting to the band 3-11?
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The beer 3-11?
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3-1-2.
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Uh, no, cause that's a zip code.
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Yeah, that's fine.
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Cross genres, it's fine.
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If you're, yeah, if you're...
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Just learning.
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I'm just finding out where the boundaries of this are.
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Yeah, no, I mean like you could have like real big pilsners or something and the real
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big fish doesn't have to fight you.
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Real big fish wouldn't be so angry.
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Real big fishers?
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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Okay.
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But if you named your band Real Big Fishers, yeah, gotcha.
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So Bill discusses the writing of the Communist Manifesto here.
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The alleged need for a change in the basic way things are done is consistent with the
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teachings of the father of communism, Karl Marx.
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He's not really the father of communism, but it's a name that's been tagged onto him.
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You see, he was just a hack writer hired by the Mystery Religion of Babylon to write the
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Communist Manifesto.
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It was not his idea, but he's reaped the benefits of it.
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Who's doing the hiring?
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If you can call them benefits.
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Who's in the HR department?
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But he co-authored the Communist Manifesto with Frederick Engels, another hack writer,
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in 1848.
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Mr. Marx wrote that the communists, quote, openly declare that their ends can be attained
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only by the forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions, unquote.
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He doesn't go deeper into Marx being hired by a mystery cult to write the Communist Manifesto.
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That feels like an interesting story.
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Seems like it could, yeah.
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But it's not in the introduction to this book, so he's not gonna tell you about it.
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Feels like it's a really important part of history.
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It was a pretty important book.
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He was pretty famous for writing it.
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If we suddenly discovered that a secret shadowy organization several thousand years old was
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the impetus behind him writing it, I feel like there's an interesting story there.
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Once I realized that this is just Bill reading the introduction to this book, I ran out of
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a little bit of steam and patience for it, because I could just read it.
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I'm not impressed by a Ralph Epperson's rigor and quality of work.
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This isn't even Bill.
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It feels illegal to perform an audiobook of somebody else's work without their knowledge.
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And without saying that's what you're doing.
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Yeah, that's even worse.
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But hey, let's see what else there is to be learned in this introduction.
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Maybe we'll learn about the Pope.
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Some of the Catholic Popes in the past have commented on the major changes coming in the
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future.
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One such Pope was Pope Pius XI, who wrote the following in 1937.
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Communism has behind it occult forces for which a long time have been working for the
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overthrow of the Christian social order.
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One of the Popes who preceded him, Pope Pius XI, excuse me, Pope Pius IX, wrote this in
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November 1846 about the changes that he saw in the future.
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That infamous doctrine of so-called communism is absolutely contrary to the natural law
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itself and if once adopted would utterly destroy the rights, property and possessions of all
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men and even society itself.
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Now don't get all worked up about what the Pope says, because they have succeeded now
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with this Pope in putting one of their own upon the throne of the Vatican.
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It had longed in their dream and now it is true.
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Isn't that wild?
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In 1993 Bill is saying that the globalists finally got their Pope on the throne, which
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has to be referring to John Paul II.
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He's remembered as a good anti-communist Pope now, but weirdly at the time he was the epitome
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of what the mystery religion wanted to install in power.
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It's almost like that's always the story of these dicks.
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This Pius IX thing from 1846 was his Qui Pluribus speech, which would be interesting to hear
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Bill's take on.
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It's too bad he's dead, so I can't ask him about how that speech was mostly about the
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evils of human rationality and how philosophy threatens the foundation of the church.
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From that text, quote, in order to easily mislead the people into making errors, deceiving
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particularly the imprudent and inexperienced, they pretend that they alone know the ways
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to prosperity.
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They claim for themselves without hesitation the name of philosophers.
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They feel as if philosophy, which is wholly concerned with the search for truth and nature,
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ought to reject those truths which God himself, the supreme and merciful creator of nature,
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has deemed to make plain to men as a special gift.
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With these truths mankind can gain true happiness and salvation.
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So by means of an obviously ridiculous and specious kind of argumentation, these enemies
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never stop invoking the power and excellence of human reason.
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They raise it up against the most holy faith of Christ, and they blather with great foolhardiness
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that this faith is opposed to human reason.
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Without doubt, nothing more insane than such a doctrine, nothing more impious or more opposed
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to reason itself could be devised.
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For although faith is above reason, no real disagreement or opposition can ever be found
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between them.
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This is because both of them come from the same greatest source of unchanging and eternal
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truth, God.
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They give such reciprocal help to each other that true reason shows, maintains, and protects
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the truth of faith, while faith frees reason from all errors and wondrously enlightens,
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straightens, and perfects reason with the knowledge of divine matters.
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Like I know that Bill's a religious guy and he has a respect for faith and all that stuff,
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but I have to assume that he'd have some problems with the Catholic Church being like
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wholly dismissive of rationality and how it's not, it's second to faith, I guess.
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Maybe he wouldn't, I don't know.
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I mean, he's against regular popes.
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But that speech wasn't just about like communism is my point.
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It's also about the evils of rationality and humanism.
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Well, I mean, we all agree with those, obviously.
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Not sure.
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What about the child pope?
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Is the child pope a globalist pope?
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Or like, is that just, I feel like we need to talk more about the child pope.
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Why doesn't it, why isn't anybody quoting the child pope's writings?
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If he's the pope, we got to count them the same, right?
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Ever.
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Yeah.
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Anything before Vatican II is fine.
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Yeah.
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You got to count- They apologized for their role in the Holocaust
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and then the Catholic Church was shitty after that.
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Right, right, right.
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So you got to count child pope, whatever he wrote as like, oh, that's not a mystery Babylon
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pope.
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That's a good pope.
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Maybe.
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Yeah, as long as it's not current, we're good.
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Oh, good.
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So Bill goes on.
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Some other people have said some shit.
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Maybe even Rhodes Scholars.
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Did you hear me?
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Rhodes Scholars?
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Rhodes Scholars?
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I've met a couple of Rhodes Scholars.
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Did Dusty Rhodes ever join the New World Order?
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No.
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Incorrect.
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God damn it.
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Yep, he was in the New World Order.
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Another clue about what is in store for the future world was offered by Dr. James H. Billington.
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Who received his doctorate as a Rhodes, Rhodes, Rhodes, Rhodes, Rhodes Scholar.
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Where have you heard that before?
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You have a Rhodes Scholar sitting in the Oval Office right now.
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Received his doctorate as a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford University and has taught at Harvard
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and Princeton Universities.
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He wrote this in his book entitled, Fire in the Minds of Men.
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This book seeks to trace the origins of a faith, perhaps the faith of our time.
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What is new is the belief that a perfect secular order will emerge from the forcible overthrow
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of traditional authority.
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You hear that?
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They believe a perfect secular order will emerge.
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Nothing perfect will ever emerge from the minds of imperfect men.
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This is from James Billington's book, Fire in the Minds of Men, Origins of the Revolutionary
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Faith.
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Bill is reading from Epperson's book, which paraphrases the first lines of the introduction
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of Billington's.
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In full, the original says, quote, this book seeks to trace the origins of a faith, perhaps
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the faith of our time.
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Modern revolutionaries are believers, no less committed and intense than were the Christians
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and Muslims of an earlier era.
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What is new is the belief that a perfect secular society will emerge from the forcible overthrow
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of traditional authority.
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Epperson's quoting of the passage removes the line about Christians and Muslims because
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he wanted to obscure the point that these revolutionaries Billington is writing about
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are not all that different from religious revolutionaries of the past, except in the
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sense that they're secularly inclined.
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And because of that editorial choice that Epperson made in terms of quoting this passage
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from Billington, now Bill is just reading.
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Well because religious people are nothing like revolutionaries.
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They're just doing regulararies for God.
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And sure, it seems very similar, the things that they do and the results that they have
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on the lives of other people.
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But one of them has God.
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Right.
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It's the people who are doing it for some sort of a religious reason.
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They're doing it because that's upholding the natural order of things.
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Whereas you are not great.
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The most revolutionary.
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So Bill goes on, keeps reading, and brings up old B.F. Skinner.
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Hey, that's nice.
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Yeah.
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That's nice.
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That these future changes would involve force and slavery was confirmed by B.F. Skinner,
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chairman of the psychology department at Harvard University.
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In his book entitled Beyond Freedom and Dignity, Dr. Skinner has been called the most influential
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of living American psychologists by Time magazine.
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So the world should listen to the professor when he speaks.
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The magazine told the reader what the message of Professor Skinner's book was.
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We can no longer afford freedom, and so it must be replaced with control over man, his
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conduct and his culture.
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So this is a 1971 book that B.F. Skinner wrote called Beyond Freedom and Dignity.
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In the introduction he clearly lays out sort of the theme of what he's talking about.
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The application of the physical and biological sciences alone will not solve our problems
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because the solutions lie in another field.
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Better contraceptives will control population only if we use them.
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New weapons may offset new defenses and vice versa, but a nuclear holocaust can be prevented
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only if the conditions under which nations make war can be changed.
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New methods of agriculture and medicine will not help people if they're not practiced,
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and housing is a matter not only of buildings and cities, but of how people live.
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Overcrowding can be corrected only by inducing people not to crowd, and the environment will
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continue to deteriorate until polluting practices are abandoned.
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In short, we need to make vast changes in human behavior, and we cannot make them with
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the help of nothing more than physics and biology, no matter how hard we try.
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So Skinner goes on to make the argument that our civilization has made essentially zero
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progress on understanding human behavior from the time of Plato to the 70s.
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Greek philosophers in the realm of physics made a lot of breakthroughs, but also their
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findings are useless to us now, except as a matter of historical interest.
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Conversely, modern science around behavior not really that much more advanced than what
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they were discussing in the old Greek texts.
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He says, quote, whereas Greek physics and biology, no matter how crude, led eventually
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to modern science, Greek theories of human behavior led nowhere.
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And I think he makes a great point, too, in the introduction where he's saying, he's talking
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about how, like, if you showed modern physics and all this shit to Greek thinkers of that
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time, they'd have no idea what to do with any of that.
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But it's built upon what they had created.
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Whereas, if you took human behavioral theories and you showed it to them, they would have
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no problem.
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It would be right in line with a lot of the stuff that's in those, like, Socratic dialogues
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and shit.
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Yeah, people don't understand themselves too well.
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Yeah.
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His basic point is that we have these concepts like, quote, states of mind, feelings, traits
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of character, human nature, and so on, that predominate the study of behavior.
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These kinds of variables were once part of our understanding of physics and biology,
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but we needed to let them go in order for those sciences to progress.
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He's talking about how, like, back in the day Aristotle used to think that things sped
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up when they fell because they were eager to get to Earth.
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They loved the Earth!
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That kind of personification is something that existed in some of the past of sciences.
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Sure.
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Skinner is arguing that as long as these ideas, including the illusion of freedom and dignity,
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persist, no one will pursue a true science of behavior, which is something that he's
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into.
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And I can understand if you're not into the science of behavior and you're not into B.F.
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Skinner, totally understand.
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Well...
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I think Bill's misrepresenting it a little bit.
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Sure, sure.
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But I also am certain that Bill has never read that book.
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Yeah.
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Since the quote that he's using is just a paraphrasing of Skinner's text that was published
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in Time magazine, which was then included in the introduction of Epperson's New World
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Order book.
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So this is just third-hand at best.
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Yeah.
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Shit.
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Yeah.
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I sense that a lot of the things that we will be second-hand quoting through another
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section will center mainly within the first ten pages of all books that they are quoting.
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Holy shit.
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I do not think we're going to find a lot of...
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This one's in chapter nine.
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Yeah, man.
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As I was going over, I did my coverage of Alex's book, The Great Reset.
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Yeah.
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And so much of it was obsessed with the introduction and forward of the book.
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Yeah, because all I need to do...
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Of Klaus Schwab's book.
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I open the book, I read to where I get what I want, and then I'm done with the book.
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It's rough.
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Yeah.
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So as I realized that Bill's just reading this guy's book, I was like, I'm going to
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bust you.
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I'm going to catch you in the act.
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Of reading the book?
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Well, when you slip up a little bit.
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I'm going to find it, and I'm going to pin it down.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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And here's the first one.
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It's not as bad as it could be, but it's still pretty glaring.
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Aldous Huxley in his book called Brave New World revisited quotes a character called
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the Grand Inquisitor in one of Fyodor Mikhailovich Dostoevsky's parables at saying this, quote,
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in the end they, the people, will lay their freedom at our, the controller's feet, and
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say to us, make us your slaves, but feed us, unquote.
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The Tucson Citizen newspaper of November the third, 1988, printed a photograph of a group
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of people involved in a march for literacy.
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Aha!
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You can tell that he's just reading because of that little slip up that he made.
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The text has a grammatical error in it that says, quote, the Tucson Citizen newspaper
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of November third, 1988, printed a photograph of a-some people involved in a march for literacy.
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He reached the a-some part, and he felt the need to correct it on the fly, and you could
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hear that pause, gotcha!
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Yep, it's done.
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Busted.
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You've been got!
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You've been got!
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It's going to get a lot worse.
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I believe that.
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Yeah, that was like an instance of like, oh yeah, if you were reading along with this,
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you'd understand exactly where that slip up came.
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Fuck you, Bill.
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Yeah, you got him!
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Yep.
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What else is there to say?
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Nail this man to the wall!
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So he goes to commercial, he doesn't actually go to commercial, he plays a little bit of
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a song.
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Actually, the beginning intro song of this episode was the Mr. Burns and Smithers song
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from The Simpsons Sing the Blues.
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I thought that was weird.
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That is weird.
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Yeah.
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That is weird!
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But he finishes the introduction of that book, that Epperson book, so it's time to go to
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break.
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The people of the world will give up their freedom to the controllers because there will
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be a planned famine or some other serious occurrence such as a depression or war.
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The change to the new world order is coming shortly, folks, and it has already begun.
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However, if that is not the case, it will be introduced one step at a time so that the
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entire structure will be in place by the year 1999.
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We've got to take a short break.
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Don't go away, folks.
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I'll be right back after this very short pause.
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That just was the end of the introduction of this book.
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He's taking a break, a chapter break, basically.
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What a dick.
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And so I was like, alright, he's gonna go to break and then he's gonna come back and
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maybe it'll be like, what we just discussed was the introduction to this book by Epperson
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and you know, here da da da da.
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He'll own up to it.
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Not own up to it, but be like, now let's have a discussion section about this that we got
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through.
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I feel like that could save it a little bit and make it like, okay, there's work product
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of bills here as opposed to just plagiarism.
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But he comes back and he just starts reading chapter one.
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Yes, folks, something is indeed wrong in America.
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And many sense that changes in this nation's lifestyle are occurring.
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Most of us know full well that these changes are taking place.
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The newspapers are saturated with articles reporting the activities of those advocating
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increased governmental spending for a variety of unconstitutional purposes.
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Organizations supporting a globalism concept urge the world to adopt a one-world government.
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Psychologists preaching the destruction of the family unit and recommending that the
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society rear the nation's children.
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Closing private schools and nations forming regional governments under which national
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borders are scheduled to disappear.
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So it's just, he's just reading this book and like, I think he has a fine voice and
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I don't begrudge his ability to read, but I was so disappointed.
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This is Mystery Bambalon.
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This is supposed to be like this really big in depth deconstruction of how this mystery
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cult has led all of history up till this point.
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And he's just plagiarizing and it doesn't even make the point that he wants it to make.
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It's incoherent.
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And I, what a bummer.
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Such a disappointing dude.
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Yeah, I feel like we've moved from anything interpretable to like ASMR territory.
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You know, where it's like, he could be reading anything as long as it's in that droning voice,
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his fans would still probably listen.
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It could be the instructions on a 1992 video game.
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As long as he let him in cadgy.
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Yep, absolutely.
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And so I was listening along to this and I'm like, alright, I guess maybe we just, what
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we should do is a book report of these books that he's talking about or something that
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he won't even cop to, just I'm reading them.
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And then I was like, okay, you've actually crossed the line.
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The New Religion has a series of leaders.
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One is a woman named Alice Bailey, a prolific writer of the subject of the New Age.
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She was the founder of an organization called the Arkane School, one of the major
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Lucis Trust divisions.
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The Lucis Trust was a major publisher of books supporting the religion and published a newsletter
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or newspaper called Lucifer.
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In her book entitled The Externalization of the Hierarchy, she told her readers who the
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organizations were that were going to bring the New Age religion to the world, and she
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identified them as being, quote, the three main channels through which the preparation
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for the New Age is going on might be regarded as the church, the Masonic fraternity, and
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the educational field.
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And folks, that is exactly who is bringing it to realization.
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The main thrust of this program is going to be to examine only one of the three organizations
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mentioned by Alice Bailey, that being the Masonic fraternity.
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So I ask myself, well, like, if Bill's plagiarism is malicious or not.
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Yeah.
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And I generally go back and forth, because some of it's just like, eh, you're lazy, this
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is easier for you or whatever.
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But that clip actually pushed me over the line.
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Let me play a little piece of that again for you.
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The main thrust of this program.
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In Epperson's book, after the quote from Alice Bailey, there's a parenthetical paragraph
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that starts, quote, the main thrust of this book will be to examine only one of the three
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organizations.
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Bill was scanning the text as he read, saw the word book, and replaced it with program,
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because he knew that saying book would make it too obvious to the listener that he was
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just reading a book.
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At no point does he say that he's just reading Epperson's book, and there are instances like
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this, where he goes out of his way to substitute words to cover up that fact.
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And he wants to make it look like what he's reading is the product of his own work or
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study.
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That's the charade that he's playing.
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My point here is that Bill is a fraud, and in that clip there you can see it clearly.
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Having sources and texts to make a larger point is good, but that is not what Bill is
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doing.
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He is taking ownership over this text that he had no part in creating.
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And it's bad.
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I mean, he didn't even do the high school thing where you just grab the sentences and
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rearrange them.
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You know?
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Like, you're too lazy to even do the shit work that a 16-year-old would do.
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It indicates to me a lack of caring about the subject.
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Yeah.
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Like a high school.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, everything.
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What are you doing, man?
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What are you doing?
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It's hubris.
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Here's what I'll do.
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Because the thought had to occur to him, what I'm going to do is I'm going to read this
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book.
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And pretend it's me.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Exactly.
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And at no point is there a second thought of like, well, maybe I should cut it up.
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Maybe I should put a chunk here and then say my own words or anything like that.
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No.
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Just starts reading and then stops reading.
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But I honestly think that even if you want to do that, I think that there's an ethical
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way to do that for him to be like, today we're going to be going over this book.
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Sure.
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This book by A. Ralph Epperson.
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And he can still read large passages of it, but he can't pretend like this book is his
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script for the episode that he's doing.
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This is supposed to be Bill fucking Cooper explaining the mystery religion to you.
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This isn't supposed to be him stealing someone's work.
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Yeah, not even just that.
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Him reading multiple books.
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Just reading them.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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That's it.
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So there's more instances of this.
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This is what I would describe as malicious plagiarism.
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There are numerous works by other writers, lecturers, researchers exposing the involvement
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of the church in the educational field in the New Age movement and in the New World
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Order.
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So I'm not going to attempt to duplicate those efforts.
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However, only a few are aware of the involvement of the Freemasons, and that is why I have
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chosen to concentrate on that organization, Mystery Babylon.
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So the actual text there says, quote, there are numerous works by other writers exposing
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the involvement of the church and the educational field in the New Age movement, so this writer
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will not attempt to duplicate those efforts.
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Bill replaced the words this writer with I in the text in order to make it look like
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this is his work and not someone else's.
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That strongly indicates intention to steal.
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Like this is not like, this is not an accident.
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I wrote this.
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Yeah.
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You can't say that if you didn't.
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Further, the text ends with, quote, that is why I have chosen to concentrate on that organization.
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And Bill adds at the end, Mystery Babylon.
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That wasn't in the original text.
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Epperson was referring to the Masons, but Bill has just added this context of his own
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in order to make it look like this is backing up his claim.
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I like that.
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It's garbage.
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The fact that Bill could operate like this disqualifies him from being someone that can
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be taken seriously as a provider of information.
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You can see him manipulating what the listener hears in real time on the show, and he knew
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that he could get away with it because the internet didn't exist like it does now back
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in 93.
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Sure didn't.
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Most people didn't have a copy of Epperson's book, and they wouldn't know that Bill is
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just reading from it.
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Sure wouldn't.
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It's honestly...
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I never really thought Bill was someone you should take super seriously.
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Sure.
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But I did have an image of him as someone who was like...
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Studious.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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You know, in the same way that Alex, back when he was younger, I mean, you can't make
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VHS documentaries without a lot of work.
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He put in a lot of time at the editing bay and stuff like that.
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And I like to imagine Bill in the same kind of way of like, he's someone who puts in...
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I had him with a cigarette in front of a typewriter.
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Yeah.
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Absolutely.
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This just reveals to me that he's not even that.
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Nope.
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Nope.
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He's just reading a book.
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Yeah.
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He's just a guy who found a couple of conspiracy texts and wants to yell about them.
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All right.
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So you know when you got a balled up piece of paper and you got a trash can across the
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way, right?
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Maybe you do a turnaround.
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Maybe you do a fade away.
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As the ball of paper leaves your hand, you shout, Kobe.
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Right?
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We all do it because that's what human beings do now.
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I don't.
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I yell swoosh.
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Oh, you got to yell Kobe.
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It's the right way.
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It's the right thing to do.
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RIP.
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Maybe this is how he's closing out his little chapter.
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You know, like mystery Babylon.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Like that's how he's doing it.
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He's reading the book and then his last word, mystery Babylon, as he does a little fade
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away.
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I wish it was that innocent, but like I hear that and I think that he says it because the
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actual text says masons and he has to be like, well, I got to get this back on my track more.
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That's just bullshit.
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Yeah.
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That's fucking take your knee out kind of shit.
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So a lot of this is just Bill plagiarizing.
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But I do think it's important to recognize that there are parts that are straight up
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him.
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Yeah.
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And there are things like this that are very angry.
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For those unfamiliar with the Masonic degrees, all masons in America start through what is
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called the blue lodge consisting of only three degrees.
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A master mason is of the third degree and really knows nothing even though he thinks
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that he has been illumined in eight letters from them all the time.
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I'm a master mason and I never heard of any of the stuff that you're talking about.
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Oh boy.
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It amazes me folks.
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It just absolutely amazes me that people are so stupid.
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Drives me wild.
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That's really the most Bill has existed on this episode.
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Most of the shit is him stealing someone else's book and pretending it's his work.
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But that was all Bill.
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The anger, the condescension, that's his face.
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He thinks everyone else is so stupid and he's pissed off that anyone would doubt his superior
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intelligence.
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But the demonstration of his intelligence and wisdom is just him reading another idiot's
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book.
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It's kind of the lesson that I'm learning from going through this lecture series is
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that he's a huge fraud and he's very angry.
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Yeah.
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It is because essentially if you insult me while you're just reading a book, then what
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you're really saying is you should read this book.
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And once you read this book, you will be an equal to me in terms of the information that
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we share.
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But if I withhold from you that piece of information, I'm doing it because I know that if you read
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that book, then you would have every right to call yourself an equal.
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Exactly.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And you don't want to be in a subordinate position.
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Because he likes calling people sheep.
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Because he likes it.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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He wants to appear to be the smartest person and everyone else is fucking stupid and all
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you dumb masons stop writing me letters and I'm so mad.
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Absolutely.
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And it's only attributable to some books that he has read.
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So the only thing that he can say to about other people or to or about other people is
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that I give them the opportunity to read the books that gave me my whatever and they can
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either say yes or no.
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That's it.
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Like you're smart if you read all my books and you're stupid if you say no and you don't
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read all my books.
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That's it.
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I mean at this point, yeah.
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It should just be a reading list.
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Yeah.
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You have nothing to add to me other than I am dumb for not reading the same books you
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have read.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Well, I guess that's what he adds is anger.
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Yeah.
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He adds a little bit of a seasoning that is-
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Mystery Babylon.
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Yeah.
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You fucking idiot sheeple.
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I think that there's something kind of funny that happens.
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Okay.
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And that is because Bill is plagiarizing this text, sometimes he'll go off in little flights
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of fancy that end up being contradicted by what he's about to read.
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And so here is just a prime example of that.
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Okay.
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The initiate into the Blue Lodge goes through three separate and different initiation ceremonies.
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One for each degree.
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After completing these ceremonies, he may stay where he is or choose to affiliate himself
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with either the York Rite, which has thirteen degrees, or the Scottish Rite, which has thirty-two,
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and then the Meritorious Thirty-Third.
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The latter is divided into two separate jurisdictions, the Southern and the Northern.
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And these are based primarily on state borders, and whether one joins one or the other depends
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on where the initiate lives.
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The two Scottish Rites have an additional twenty-nine degrees, making for a total of
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thirty-two.
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There is one more degree called the Thirty-Third Degree, which is honorary, and only a few
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are invited into that degree, and to even be considered, they must perform some major
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work toward the completion of the Great Work, which is the plan to bring about.
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Turning lead into gold?
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The socialist dream.
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York Rite has a total of nine degrees.
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However, since little has been revealed about this order, we will concentrate on only the
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Scottish Rite, and in particular the Southern Jurisdiction.
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Well, I've since discovered that the York Rite has a total of thirteen degrees, folks.
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Thanks.
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Not just nine.
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So, toward the beginning of that clip, Bill says that there are thirteen levels in the
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York Rite, which was him riffing away from the text a little bit.
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He continued reading, not knowing that Epperson later says that the York Rite has nine degrees,
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which contradicts what Bill just said.
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So Bill has to try to correct the ship by saying that he's since learned that the York
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Rite has thirteen degrees, not nine, which is meant to imply that since the time Bill
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wrote this lecture that he's delivering, he's discovered that.
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It feels very weird.
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It is so amazing how quickly he discovered that.
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He went from not knowing it to knowing it was wrong to then rediscovering that actually
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he was right the entire time.
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Fascinating.
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Yeah.
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And it can actually be very easily resolved by him being honest about the fact that he's
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just reading this guy's book and saying, this is a point of disagreement we have.
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I've found other information.
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Let me tell you about that other information that I've found that contradicts the number
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of levels of York masonry.
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That also includes another instance of Bill removing Epperson from his own text.
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Epperson wrote, quote, since little has been revealed about this order, the author will
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concentrate only on the Scottish Rite.
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Bill replaced the words the author with we.
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This is just a full on pattern.
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It's not a mistake that he's making.
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Right.
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He's got little lines that he's crossed out.
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Yeah.
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Oh, I bet he doesn't.
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Yeah, well, that's fair.
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I bet he doesn't.
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I bet he's just able to read a little bit in advance and see like, OK, that's going
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to make it too clear that this is a book.
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I always like it whenever ancient orders respect states lines.
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That's always nice.
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It's like, yes, obviously we go all the way back from Egypt to the Osiris cult.
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But I mean, look, Louisiana is over here.
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Tennessee is over here.
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Those are just the rules.
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Well, you don't stick around unless you get with the times.
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You know, absolutely.
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I'm sure they don't care about states, but it's fine organization and the organizational
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structure that someone else has imposed.
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So like, we'll play along.
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All right, fine.
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OK.
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All right.
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This matters not to the Masons.
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These petty concerns.
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We just move forward not worrying too much about it.
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Doesn't matter if there are ancient borders that we should also respect.
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They secretly actually know that north is really south.
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Those motherfuckers.
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I knew it.
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I knew it the whole fucking time.
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They switched the words in order to fool people so they could laugh at us.
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It's almost like stupid people won't even look into it.
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It's almost like the words are less important than the concepts that the words describe.
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Yeah, probably.
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Yeah.
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There's one last clip here of Bill doing more plagiarism.
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Someone who attempted to zero in on when these changes were expected to occur was Alice Bailey,
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previously mentioned.
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She wrote about when she thought the new age would arrive.
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Wednesday.
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Eventually, there will appear the church universal and its definite cut lines will appear towards
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the close of this century uncurved.
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And you have already seen the emergence of the universalist church.
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Is that them?
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Since she wrote early in the 20th century, we can see that she was predicting the eventual
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arrival of the new age sometime around the 1990s.
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This estimate of that date is not too far wrong as will be demonstrated later in this
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series of programs.
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In Epperson's text, he says, quote, this estimate of that date is not too far wrong
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as will be demonstrated later in this book.
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Bill replaced this book with this series of programs in an effort to disguise his theft.
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I think I've been way too complimentary of the idea of him preparing.
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He does more work than Alex, but this is still...
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Low bar.
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This is intensely clunky and I think, I don't know, if people had the internet back then,
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he wouldn't be able to play this kind of game.
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I think the content of what he's saying is also not that interesting.
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You can read the first chapter of this guy's book if you want.
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It's mostly just people saying that the new world order exists.
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Those motherfuckers.
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And then saying that the new age stuff is like new world order because the new, it's
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got new in it.
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It's got new in it.
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Yep.
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Every time.
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It always does.
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I don't feel like there's anything that's been proved other than Bill is a flagrant
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plagiarist.
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I was...
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So I had put Bill into a different category.
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There was the pure demagogues, the pure evangelicals, the fires, the brimstones.
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Those were those guys.
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And then I had Bill in a different place in the, I suppose, the quote unquote intellectual
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side, the intellectual tradition of making up bullshit and then reading it to each other
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in an oral tradition kind of thing and spreading it around to fundamentally give the fire and
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stone people something to point to.
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He's not even that.
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He's just a guy who's, he's a voiceover guy.
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He's an angry old dude who just steals shit.
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I didn't put him, I think intellectual is a term that I think a lot of people have baggage
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with and stuff.
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So I don't want to say that I think he's part of this intellectual stuff, but I viewed him
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as someone who like, you know, you can be a punk.
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And then you could be a punk who has a zine.
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And a punk who has a zine, that takes effort.
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That takes time.
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You gotta print those things out.
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You gotta put together what's going to be on each page.
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And I kind of gave Bill credit of being in that camp of like, you're a guy who's, I don't
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trust what you're about.
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I think it's kind of shit.
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But I think you're making a zine.
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And I don't think he is anymore.
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I think everything that's in that zine is written by somebody else.
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I think he's just regurgitating shit and claiming it as his own.
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And that kind of bums me out.
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I have more respect for the fake version of him and the fake version of Alex that exists
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in pop culture minds.
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And the real version of them sucks.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I'm, you know, it is, maybe it is the coping mechanism of this douchebaggery is
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to like, okay, everything we do have sucks.
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So let's just remember it like it was awesome.
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You know, like how much of people now remembering Rush Limbaugh isn't the like day to day, he's
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just a prick Rush Limbaugh.
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And in their minds, it's like, remember when Titans used to walk through the radio hallways,
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you know, like that kind of thing.
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Yeah.
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Like it's just what they've always done.
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And I think right now that's what they want Alex to do.
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Yeah.
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Is go away so you can become that hallowed old image of something that we can no longer
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really need to analyze or respond to or anything.
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Yeah.
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Cause it actually sucks.
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Yeah.
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It does suck.
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And the longer it exists, the more apparent it is to everyone that it sucks.
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Bill Cooper died just in time for most people to not really know he sucks.
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Yep.
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And Alex has outlived the point where it's painfully obvious to everyone that he sucks.
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Yep.
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Anyway, I want to get to the part in Mystery Babylon where we're talking about witches
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and spells and stuff.
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And I'm getting a little worried that may not come.
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I feel like, okay, if we're, we can't go straight from gods to like, then there's a car phone,
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you know, like we have to have full on, we at least have to go to, as you're saying,
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we at least have to go to witch town.
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Yeah.
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You know, we have to go, which side were they on?
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Are they the witches or are they the people burning the witches?
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Sure.
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We got to know all of these things.
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Maybe they're playing both sides against each other.
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Absolutely.
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We got to do Knights Templar.
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Sure.
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Knights of Malta.
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It's all got to be in here.
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It's all got to be in there.
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Yeah.
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Obviously we ignore the African continent because apparently Mystery Babylon has never
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been there except for Egypt for a little while.
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I think they were maybe in Rhodesia.
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I don't know.
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Some common element might be involved.
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Yeah.
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I want that.
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I want all that stuff.
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I find, at least at this point, I don't know what the future holds, but at this point I
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feel more like a teacher grading a report.
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You know?
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I feel more like someone who's going to give out a suspension than I am somebody who's
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looking at like, all right, here's the information you're talking about.
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Like, I have to go off the beaten track and find George Benson and stuff to be interested
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in.
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Yeah.
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Whereas Bill's just like, you're a thief.
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You're a thief.
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You're stealing shit.
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I remember when the internet really became the internet and you could just steal whatever
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the fuck you wanted all the time.
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That was at the exact same time as I was in university for the first couple of times for
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Lit.
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And it was so much like, all we have is that you wrote this.
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So plagiarism means you die.
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And no questions asked, you're gone.
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Because it's all we have.
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And now it feels like that's not the vibe there.
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Right.
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And I think that over time, because you just have to make peace with the fact that some
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people are plagiarists, you kind of have to be like, well, are you artful about it?
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Right.
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And Bill is not.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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At the very least, maybe this person gave a little, oh, we're going to mix up our adverbs.
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You know, something.
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He's reading it.
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He's cold reading it.
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And changing things specifically to obscure that fact.
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And that's garbage.
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Disgusting.
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Anyway, we'll be back with another episode.
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Maybe we'll get into witches.
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Who knows?
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Let's hope.
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But until then, we have a website.
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Indeed we do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep.
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We'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark.
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I am the mysterious professor.
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Woo!
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Yeah!
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Woo!
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Yeah!
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Woo!
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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I love you.
