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Hey everybody welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

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I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes,

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sit around, we're supposed to be Alters Lean and talk a little bit about Alex Jones. Oh'm doing a great job. I'm doing a great job. I'm doing a great job. I'm doing a great job.

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I'm doing a great job. I'm doing a great job. I'm doing a great job. I'm doing a great job. I'm doing a great job. And I just wanted to give a give a little bit of thanks to some of those folks who we've

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Maybe lost track of a little bit right but a lot of good candies coming in a lot of shit

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Also, but I think they know that I think it's on purpose I think some of them are trying to fuck with me a little bit. There's a little bit gummy feta

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Chini and all this nonsense sure, but there's you know hey I

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I'll take I'll take all all. - Sure. - It's an open challenge.

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- Sure. - Yeah, absolutely.

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- So thank you to Jason and Cassandra of Tacoma.

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Thank you, Mary Lou, Reno, and Ian.

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Also, Ashley, Nathan, Mochi, Wasabi,

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Azuki, Suba, Pixel, Penny, Papura, and Pao.

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Thank you all.

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I've not eaten all of the candy yet

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because it's actually a comical amount

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that I've gotten of gummies and various things, but I love it.

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Also, we got another thing, a nice comic of the cat.

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- Oh yes, that's nice. - From Eric.

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So thank you to Eric for that.

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I actually have that at the shop getting framed right now.

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- Nice.

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- A comic book of the 1960s Robert Loja TV show

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that we're watching, The Cat.

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- The Cat.

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- I didn't know there was a comic book of that,

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but I'm excited to get that,

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put it on the wall,

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stare at Loja's face all day.

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- Yeah, it's always nice.

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It's always nice to see the young, sexy Loge.

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- Yeah, yeah.

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- So thank you all for those wonderful things

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that came in the Z, yep, now back.

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- Thank you very much.

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- What's your bread spot?

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- My bright spot is tomorrow night,

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or tonight probably when you're listening to this.

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My wife and I are going to the first Cubs game of the year

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for us and for us together,

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the first Cubs game we've ever been to together let's go pretty excited about that

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go so it's gonna be a nice little day playing Dodgers mmm sorry in advance

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we're gonna lose oh yeah no well we're going not for the Cubs we're going for

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show hey Otoni I don't know if you remember that guy I do I do but I know

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that you're also a long time Cubs fan

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Well, actually the Cubs are the Cubs might actually be good this year. I've

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Said that I

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Want to say for about 78 percent of my life, right? And it's been correct one time in 2016. Yes

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Yes, but they might actually be pretty good this year

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I feel like at least at the beginning of the season a lot of people have that

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Hope right a lot of a lot of especially classically bad teams have that we might be good this year sure until you hit that wall

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And you're like oh no, we suck well, they've got they've got some good people. They've got Kyle Tucker

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He's hitting like a beast right at the gate. They've got some good pitching

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Justin Steele just went down though. So that's not great

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But you know what that's it's a long season. Who knows?

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It's a possibly too long of a season. It's probably probably too long of a season for all of those people to make it through

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Shorten it up. Yeah. Yeah, so well. I hope you have a great time. I'm gonna get a hot dog

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Peanuts peanuts peanut about Cracker Jack's never.

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Oh, uh, Shell peanuts, my man.

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Hmm. That's the way to do it.

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All right, ball game.

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I like a hot dog.

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I respect that.

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Okay.

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I respect as long as there's respect.

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There's full respect for the hot dog.

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So Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.

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Okay.

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And I have decided we are staying away from Alex still

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because my birthday is not coming gone yet.

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And so I am continuing with mystery Babylon. Of course. We are doing mystery Babylon part

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two to try and figure out what the fuck is Bill Cooper talking about? What is the mystery?

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What is the mystery? Who is this religion? How does this connect to the present?

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From the last episode, I feel like we don't really have many answers other than the sun. Sure. Is God or Jesus. Yeah. And then some words

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sound similar and aren't actually connected, but Bill thinks they are. Well, so we'll see

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if it develops deeper than that. Yeah. Might not. I strongly doubt it. You think so? You're

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going in with without the early season for the girls.

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Low expectations means low bar to crossover.

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All right.

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Yeah, I'm rooting for everybody, including Bill Cooper,

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apparently.

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Well, we'll see what happens.

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All right.

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But first, before we get to that,

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let's take a little time to say hello to some of the Walks.

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Ooh, that's a great idea.

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So first, how many policies could a policy

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want, walk if a policy want could walk policies? Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk. I'm a noisps. - Ooh, that's a great idea. - So first, how many policies could a policy wonk, wonk if a policy wonk could wonk policies?

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Thank you so much, your now, policy wonk.

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- I'm a policy wonk.

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- Thank you very much.

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- You can't trip me up.

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- No.

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- I'm too good at these tongue twisters.

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- Can't.

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- Next, dear Mike Adams, I'm too busy being a lesbian

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to open up a fire hydrant because my wife

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is actually satisfied in the bedroom,

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sincerely the lesbian firefighter of your nightmares.

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Thank you so much, your now, policy wonk.

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- I'm a policy wonk.

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- Thank you very much. - Thank you, and happy to I'm a policy wonk. - Thank you very much.

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- Thank you, and happy to share my hate of Alex Jones with you.

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Fuzzy, thank you so much, Your Now Policy Wonk.

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- I'm a policy wonk.

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- Thank you very much.

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- Thank you, and we got a technical credit to the X-T

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- For stars, go home to your mother, tell her you're brilliant.

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- Someone, someone, sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark. - Bum,ite sent me a bucket of poop.

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- Daddy's sharp.

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(barking)

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- Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

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- He's a loser, little titty baby.

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I don't wanna hate black people.

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I renounce Jesus Christ.

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- Technocrat, technocrat.

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- You did.

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- I, I, I, I, I,

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- Last minute safe. - Mm-hmm.

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- Like in baseball. - Right.

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- Whenever you catch the ball at the last minute. - M-hmm. This is what it's called buzzer beater

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Like in baseball. So we start off here Bill giving his opening to lecture number two. Okay. There aren't subtitles on these episodes

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But this one I would subtitle

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But this one, I would subtitle silly nonsense.

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- Does he delineate like, this is lecture two, meaning that like I've fully completed what everything I wanted

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to do in lecture one.

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- It is a series of broadcasts that he set out to do.

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- Right.

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- So I, if he didn't, that's on him.

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- Right, no, I'm understanding that.

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I'm just wondering if he makes it clear like,

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okay, now that I've finished lecture one

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Which we all understand pure clearly right now we can go on to lecture two I?

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Think you might hope that's the case. I don't know. I don't know if it is okay, but he opens this show on a very serious note

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Okay, and

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prophesies his own death okay because he's telling you these secrets fair enough

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Good evening folks and welcome once again to the hour of the time

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I'm your host William Cooper we continue where we left off last Friday night

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February the 12th and I want to quickly reiterate that what you're going to hear

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does not necessarily reflect my beliefs or my religion or the beliefs of the staff or management of

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www CR worldwide Christian radio. What you are hearing folks is for the first time in

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history the public revelation of the origin, the history, the dogma and the identity of those who operate in secret to bring about a worldwide totalitarian

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socialist government. They are known to Christians as mystery Babylon. It is an ancient religion.

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Now get a pencil and paper ready because if you did not take last Friday night's broadcast or if you did not hear it, you must order it.

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And if you have any possible way to take tonight's broadcast, either tape it or order

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You can order studio quality tapes from us and I will give you that information later

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Make sure, as always, that you have pencil and paper or pen and paper by your side at

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all turns, you will work to write down important portions of this broadcast, and you certainly

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will work to get our address and phone number and the price of the tapes.

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Those of you who are smart enough to know what is transpiring here

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know that these are historic broadcasts

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and by making these broadcasts, I have sealed my fate.

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[Laughing]

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Alright, well, that's fair.

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You gotta love it.

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That's fair.

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That's fair. Yeah, have fun

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Yeah, have a little fun with life. Yeah, yeah

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I am going to be killed for this and I am breaking the breaking the chains of history by coming on the radio and telling you about my

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crazy bullshit

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Yeah, that's great. Well, that's that's I think Bill does this more effectively than Alex, which is using

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these kinds of things like that fanfare to elevate the drama of what he's doing.

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Yeah.

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It's closer to radio theater than Alex with his, you know, like the Imperial March.

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It really is.

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We've talked about it like it comes back so quickly, the differences between, because

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I remember Bill Cooper episodes from literally 700 episodes ago

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Mmm that are immediately like oh yeah, this guy knows when to hit a sting. He just knows how to do it

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Yeah, I think it's more of a like I wonder if I

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Wonder if it's that

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Like time is a commodity mm-hmm like he's on the radio for this slot.

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- Sure.

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- He cannot afford more time.

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- Right.

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- You know, like it's not something he has

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like unlimited amounts of, where he's for Alex,

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he could just go on air as much as he wants.

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Like who gives a shit?

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- Yeah.

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- Like there is no preciousness to time.

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- Yeah.

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- Whereas for Bill, it's like, I've got to dramatically say this

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and then hit the button. - Yep. - In order to get. Yeah, it's for Bill. It's like I've got to dramatically say this and then hit the button

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Yep in order to get the show as it is and fly in at the like I gotta be off air at this point

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It does feel like the limitations of the form for him allow him to kind of like

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Become good at things and the lack of limitations as always has done Alex a massiveservice. And let's just also not go too far. It's relatively good at it.

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Yeah. He's not that great. Let's let's, I mean, he's a shortwave radio guy, you

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know? Yeah. And also, I think I think one of the major things that I don't know if

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we've talked about enough is that Bill was on WWCR. And Alex

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eventually became on WWCR. Right. So the worldwide Christian

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radio shortwave channel. Yeah. Like, I think that there's like a

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lineage. Sure. There. Gotcha. And maybe one of the reasons Bill

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hated Alex so much. One, Alex is a total liar sure and all that shit yeah but

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then too he was in his spot so yeah anyway um we talked about the sun being jesus on uh the

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last episode of course we talked about that a little bit more folks when we stopped to realize

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that every single king prince lord governor dictator despotic rulers civil and social institutions " " six thousand more examples. "The primary symbol, then it can truly be said in the mystery school that God's son

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is, quote, King of Kings in Lord of Lords, unquote."

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That's not really accurate though.

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All of those things are not, they don't all use the son as a primary symbol.

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No.

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That just doesn't, I don't know, doesn't make sense.

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A lot of golf trophies use a guy with a golf club as a primary symbol.

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- Wow, that's just the exception of the mystery school.

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- Is Jesus, is Jesus Jack Nicholas?

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- Well, I was thinking about Jack.

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- Oh, I think you can do it.

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- I think you can do it.

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I think you can get to Jesus from Jackless, yeah.

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- From Jackless?

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- From Jack Nicholas.

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- So I think that maybe like metals and stuff

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you brought up metal sure I was like is that just because some of them are

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round right and look like the Sun I'm not sure I'm gonna give you points for

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that right but also obviously the Sun would be a pretty universal symbol

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because it's above all our fucking heads it's in fact I would argue it's one of

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the most recognizable things out there.

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I would say almost everybody.

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- Only because air is invisible.

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- Yes, there is definitely that issue.

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- Well, not for much longer is air invisible.

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- The sun is known.

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Its name rings out.

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It's relatable. [laughter] So if the, you know, son is, is God sure, then the son needs to be betrayed by Judas.

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Right.

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Who is a scorpion?

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Scorpio.

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The Zodiac.

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Right.

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Holy shit.

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Cancer's the crab.

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Here we know another cleverly disguised part of the whole...

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Cleverly?

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According to the Mystery School,

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misunderstood and plagiarized story,

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for they believe that Christianity is

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a perversion of the mysteries.

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And that's why they hate Christians.

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In the ancient world, monks were counted according

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to the phases of the moon.

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They were called the lunar Month on the Lunar Calendar.

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Now, if it's Scorpio, the Scorpion is the astrological sign starting in late October,

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the first month of autumn. It follows that October, the Scorpion, with his deadly backbiting tail be praised the sun in autumn leading directly to his

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death in winter and is known as Judas.

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When that's where my home to who I'm coming from and I'm telling you right now that Barbara

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Honegger was a plant and that's's also where October's surprise comes from?

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You bet.

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From Judas the Scorpion.

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So the original October surprise was Judas getting Jesus killed.

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Yeah, I mean it was surprising.

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I mean yeah, sure.

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So Barbara Honegger was a whistleblower.

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She worked in the Reagan administration.

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She came across some information that indicated that George H. W. Bush had worked behind the scenes to make sure that the hostages

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taken by Iran were not released until after the election, because the non resolution of

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that problem hurt Jimmy Carter's chances of getting reelected. Yeah. She later published

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a book about what she'd found called the October surprise. And I guess that she was

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a secret cult plant in doing that right in order to send some sort of a message about Scorpios and Judas.

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Okay.

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I don't know.

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This is thin.

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Okay, here's my question to you.

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Yeah.

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So I'm here.

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Also, the sun doesn't die in the winter.

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I, you can't prove that.

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I could see it in the winter still.

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Well, yeah, but I mean, you can see a dead body.

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Fair.

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Okay.

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So here I am. - Well, yeah, but I mean, you can see a dead body. - Fair. - Okay.

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So here I am.

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I'm glued to my radio, pen and pad,

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and I'm writing furiously down.

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For what purpose to use when?

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- You know, like how we're both sort of playing

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blueprints right now?

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- Yep.

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- You know how sometimes you'll take down a note note. Oh, I'm taking down notes. This

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will help me solve the ultimate mystery. Probably. That's what

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they're doing. Okay. Writing down like scorpion, Judas,

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Barbara Honegger.

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When does this when do where are you at the next time where you're

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like, Oh, I can't wait to tell people about Scorpio and Barbara

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Honegger.

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I mean, it's not a fun party.

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This is the cocktail conversation.

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Yeah.

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So the scorpion is Judas.

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Sure.

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And he betrayed Jesus, who is the son, in order to bring in winter.

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And the 30 pieces of silver were, as the North American Indians would say, 30 moons of silver needed for the month to betray the sun

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and cause his unhappy death.

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In relation to this, another interesting point,

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factually speaking, when a person is bitten by a deadly

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scorpion, the wound appears to be,

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or look like, two human lips.

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The ancients called this, the kiffs of death. This is why we read that Judas are October.

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Give God's turn the kid leading to his death in winter.

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See it all checks out. Does it? No, the scorpion stings don't always look like two lips. Ancient

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people might have called getting stung by one some variation of a kiss of death

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But I don't think this is the route that bill is making it out. Yeah

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Plus October has 31 days

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So shouldn't Judas have been given 31 pieces of silver if this was gonna match up like I hear what bill saying

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But it's not convincing at all

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Also, this only relates to the northern hemisphere. Yeah - Scorpio is a spring sign in the Southern Hemisphere.

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So is this mystery only relevant for half of the world

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or what's the deal here?

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- It is.

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- 'Cause it doesn't work in the Southern Hemisphere.

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- It is always nice whenever the Babylonian mysteries

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reveal themselves to have been written by people

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who did not know that the earth was very, very big.

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It's huge, fucking huge, man.

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- Yeah, and Bill doesn't seem to think that's an issue.

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- Why? Why would it be?

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If the earth is the size,

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then, no, of course it's an issue.

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I have no idea.

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The stars are different from different places.

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Who knows?

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- Yeah.

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- So I think that we can look at this and say,

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this is stupid.

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And I think we can say like a lot of this is stupid. Yes. And I think we

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can say like a lot of this is, you know, like a little convenient dot connecting that,

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you know, a lot of this stuff seems like maybe on the surface, these things are connected,

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but they're actually not. But I owe everyone an apology. Oh, yeah, because I didn't realize

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how hard Bill had worked on this. Oh, that's not good. Our research has been thorough. And we have

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managed to place members of cadu within the Masonic lodges. And we have verified everything

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that we are telling you here now. Have you? We have infiltrated the lodge. They've infiltrated

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the lodge. They know that they're the Mason's ship. I am I infiltrated the Mason's shit.

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I am still trying to the lodge one time. Did you?

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Yeah, I was.

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I was kid.

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I went to the Masonic Temple and they were like, "Hello!"

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And that was it.

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It was very kind.

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Did they offer to sell you a hat?

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No, but a bunch of old men played Magic the Gathering with me.

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Sure.

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So that was nice.

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Sure.

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Yeah, I know that there's a lot of fun that people

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get out of who Mason is stuff, but it's I can't imagine that Bill and his buddies infiltrated

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the masons and came away with a lot of like real great information. Yeah. That's just

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dumb. It's it's they're just fucking with you. Yeah. And on one level, it's like, I get it.

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You're having fun.

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Yeah.

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On another level, you think that you're going to be killed for revealing these secrets and

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you're just having fun.

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If okay, here's what I don't.

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I can't imagine somebody being like, Oh, this guy's figured out the 30 days in October

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is 30 pieces of silver. We're going to have to kill him. You know, like, you, this guy's figured out the 30 days in October is 30 pieces of silver.

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We're gonna have to kill him. You know, like, you can have that one. That one's free. I'll

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even let you have all the made up bullshit about October you want. Yeah. No one's no

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one's coming for you. No. So what if though you reveal a bunch of secrets about Egypt?

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Oh, well, Egypt doesn't take shit lightly. No,

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certainly not. No, they go hard. Well, oftentimes through curses. Yeah. Oh,

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yeah, which we'll get to later. I imagine so. But first, let's talk about some of

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the gods of Egypt. Okay. In Egypt, God's risen son was Horace at 12 noon. He

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became the most high. In this exalted position he became the mediator between God

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and man. His name was Amun Ra. Ra equals Ray of the Sun. His shepherds on earth were called

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priests of Amun. They would direct their prayers to the invisible God, the Father, through His mediator.

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Amen, Ra.

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And God's Son was the great Amun with His rays.

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In the New Testament, He, the Son, is still called at 2 Corinthians chapter 1 verse 20.

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And Revelation chapter 1 verse 7, and Revelation chapter 3 verse 14 the Amun at the end of prayers and the temples

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of Egypt they would say Amun.

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Ooooh!

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How does that grab you?

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No, it does not.

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It doesn't, yeah.

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It's not accurate.

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And the Amen comes from the Hebrew word for truth.

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So if God is called the Am, the Hebrew text is truth.

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And Amun Ra is not the same as Horus.

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Horus is the son of Osiris and Isis,

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whereas Amun was part of the Ogdoat,

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the group of eight primordial entities, deities that,

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this is just mixing all kinds of shit up

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because you want to connect them.

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It feels to me a little bit like this, right?

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So it feels like he is opening up with each exploration into the into mystery Babylon

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with something along lines of like just a reminder, this is what they believe.

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And then telling me an incredibly stupid story.

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Right. Am I supposed to be like, man at these idiots yeah that's right that's the

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dynamic that I have a really difficult time with because I think no self

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respecting uh mystery cult would be this stupid yeah it's dumb yeah I think

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that there are glaring errors uh that are made by their supposed belief system.

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If this is their belief system, yes.

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I think that it's just a-- yeah.

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I think what he's doing is trying to create a kind of ominous evil side.

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Right.

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But I think he does believe that-- here's the issue.

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Later, we're going to talk about magic and of course

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We are let's revisit this idea once we get to that. Okay, that on that specific point

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I think I think we get a little murky. Okay, okay, and as it relates to like who the Egyptian gods are

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It's not as a consequential whether Bill believes this or he believes that someone else believes it. Yeah, that's fair

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Whereas with magic, I think it's gonna be a lot very consequential believes this or he believes that someone else believes it. Yeah, that's fair. Whereas with magic, I think it's going to be a lot more. It's

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very consequential if you or you don't if you do or do not believe in magic. Yeah, that's

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on you. Gotcha. And if you do, you'll always have a friend wearing big red shoes. Mm. That's

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true. Ronald. Raman. I'm Raman. Raman. I'm in. I'm inon. - Ramon. - Ramon McDonald. - Ramon McDonald. - So the name Israel.

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- The name Israel or the name Israel?

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- The name Israel.

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- Israel.

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- Bill talks about that a little bit.

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- Okay.

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- Now look at the word Israel.

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I-S-I-S-R-H-E-M-R-H-E-M-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E-R-H-E I S Isis are boom what?

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Oh God what? It is the androgynous God.

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And it's been in front of your eyes all the time.

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All the time folks.

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Anyone who goes to any library and does the research that we have done can reveal that

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the religion of mystery Babylon is exactly as I have stated at last Friday night and

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during this broadcast and will continue to state it because there is a lot more folks.

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We have in fact not even yet begun.

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- Certainly feels like it.

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I don't know what we've accomplished.

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Also, this is not the etymology of the name Israel.

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Hebrew scholars have a few different interpretations

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on where the name Israel comes from.

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Both as a name for an individual person,

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as well as the name denoting the Israelites.

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- Sure.

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- The L part is fairly well agreed upon to mean God,

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but past that there are a couple ways that people look at it. In Genesis 32, Jacob wrestles

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with an angel. Quote, So Jacob was left alone and a man wrestled with him till daybreak.

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When the man saw that he could not overpower him, he touched the socket of Jacob's hip

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so that his hip was wrenched as he wrestled with the man. And the man said, Let me go for

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it as daybreak. But Jacob replied, I will not let you go unless you bless me."

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The man asked him, "What is your name?" Jacob he answered.

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Then the man said, "Your name will no longer be Jacob but Israel,

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because you have struggled with God and with humans and have overcome."

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In this understanding, the name means one who is struggled with God.

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Sure. You know, one who has who carries God.

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Okay. There are other interpretations that mean something closer to like God is in charge,

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but no one who's serious about this subject thinks that Israel is a combination of Isis,

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Ra and Elle. This is really dumb.

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Okay, I gotcha. Okay. So is is like to be is all right, Ra, uh, Sun God, Ra, uh, El is, is like to be is, all right, raw, uh, sun god raw, uh, L, uh, kabong.

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So is raw El kabong.

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And then over time, kabong has been taken off for obvious reasons.

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Sure.

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Uh, yeah, of course.

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So that's, that's where it comes from.

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Uh, the, the, the looney tins.

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Well, this, this, I mean, obviously this raises an important question. Yeah, what's the definition of is

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Oakland asked us

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History Babylon there we go Barbara Hanukkah

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I love I love throwing in a very specific very time sensitive name to the ancient

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a very specific, very time sensitive name to the ancient mystery Babylon religion. She was a cult front.

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Seven thousand years ago.

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Right.

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But I think you see Alex do that too.

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I think that's one of the things that this tradition like they they hyper presentize.

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Some of the concerns that are supposed to be about like thousands of years of occult

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history.

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Yeah. concerns that are supposed to be about like thousands of years of occult history. Yeah, four thousands of years people have prophesied that Barbara Honegger was going

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to be like, I got you. That's it. Okay. And it's all revealed by this Netflix movie.

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Whatever, dude. Fair enough. So Bill talks about his allegiances. Okay. And this bill's

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particular allegiances. Yes. Okay. Yeah, he has three of them. I

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Firmly believe and I live my life according to this

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That I'm full my first allegiance to my God

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Jesus Christ, of course My second allegiance I owe to the Constitution of the United States of America doesn't make sense

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allegiance to my family and what reason my allegiance is that in that order is because God endowed man with unalienable rights. The

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Constitution protects those rights and the family is the basic unit of civilization.

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Period. And I further believe that any man or woman without principles that they are

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ready and willing to die for at any given moment that they are called upon to do it,

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are already dead and are of no use or consequence to anyone not even themselves. Understand what I just said.

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Damn, that is cold. Yeah, that is cold. So that's great. And I'm happy for Bill having his allegiance

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is all sorted out like that. But the conception he's laid out makes him a sheeple just like the

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people he derives all the time. The persona that he takes on this character that he plays to the

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audience that he's preaching to,

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is the guy who researches and follows the truth as it exists, not as he wants it to be.

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But the allegiances he has can't allow him to be that.

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It's inherently an act because his first allegiance isn't to the truth.

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God is a proxy for truth for him, so truths that don't comport to his religious belief won't be seen as truth to him, and that's a problem.

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The idea of why he gives his allegiance as he does is fascinating too.

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God is number one because God gives us rights.

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The Constitution is two because it protects our rights, and then the family is three because

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it's the basis of society.

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The way he views family makes sense and the Constitution part is fair enough.

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He's basically saying that the Constitution is important because he doesn't want to be inconvenienced by having to constantly

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fight for his rights to be validated against, like, being violated by stronger people. And

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that's fair enough. Like the Constitution allows him to not always be fighting. And that's fine.

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Okay. The idea that God needs to be the top priority because God gives those rights is a sticky theological pickle.

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If God gives us rights and the ability to be free, then we don't need to make God a priority.

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We've been given the freedom not to, so these rights shouldn't be conditional on being subservient to God.

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If they're conditional in that way, then God is really just enslaved humanity by giving us fake rights and freedom that can be taken away if we misbelief, and life is basically just

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a cruel trick.

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I don't think that it's wrong or even dumb to be religious or even make your relationship

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to the divine and important aspect of your life.

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But when religion is this root justification for political beliefs and philosophy, you

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run into trouble pretty quickly, which is why you need to go a couple steps further.

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Yeah.

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And build up this base.

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If your first allegiance is to God, then I think you're threatened by the idea of making

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truth your first allegiance because you're worried that that would undermine your other

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allegiances.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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And I see that as being an inherent problem for someone like Bill. Yeah, I

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Mean first up. I disagree with his conception wholeheartedly

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I don't think there should be a ranking system for your allegiances. I think everything comes down to fuck Mary kill

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Right so for me Mary my wife and family obviously already did fuck

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We're gonna go with God.

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I'm gonna fuck God.

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God seems pretty chill.

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Probably can do crazy stuff, right?

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Kill the Constitution.

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I'm sick of that shit.

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Get it outta here.

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Done.

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So there we go.

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Now I've got a much better system

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that's more consistent.

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How about you?

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- I don't want to answer.

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(laughing)

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- I don't know any cause I think if you killed God,

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then that opens up all kinds of--

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- That niche already did happen.

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- What happens then, you know?

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- What do you mean what happens?

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- He's already been killed like 60 years ago.

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- And what happens if you fuck the Constitution?

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- I mean, I think we all know what happens

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if you fuck the Constitution.

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- I just think-- - Somebody gives you a phone call.

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- I don't really want to engage with this.

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Okay, fair enough.

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So I think that Bill is...

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I get the way that he conceives of himself,

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but I think that it's inherently flawed.

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And it leads him to be as much of a follower as he derides everyone else for being.

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And I... I don't know.

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If you still alive, I'd like to ask him, how does that feel?

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What does that mean to you?

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That's also kind of absurd.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I think it's an absurd thing.

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So that's absurd.

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Yeah.

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We're about to get into magic.

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Let's do it.

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Now humans are too rational to believe in magic.

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But that doesn't sound true at all.

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Well, I mean, what about mummies? Mm. Wait, do m to believe in magic, right? But that doesn't sound true at all. Well, I mean, what about mummies?

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Hmm, wait, do mummies believe in magic?

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There's a patroness of the magical arts among the Egyptians.

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The use to which magic should be put is revealed in the acyrian cycle where Isis applies the

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most potent of her charms and invocations to accomplish the resurrection

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of Osiris.

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In other words, the redemption of the human soul.

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That the gods of Egypt were elements of a profound magical system and possessed a significant

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or different from that advanced by modern Egyptologists is certain. The various deities of the Nile Valley were elements of

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an elaborate magical metaphysical system, a kind of ceremonial kabbalah. This cannot be denied.

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But even when impressed with the reality of this fact, the modern Egyptologists still balked.

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fact, the modern Egyptologist still balked. Supposing, he asked, that the Egyptians did possess an elaborate metaphysical doctrine.

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Of what value is its rediscovery in an age when the natural has been demonstrated to

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be mediocre and the supernatural, non-existent?

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Even if these extinct persons whose moneys clutter up our museums were the custodians

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of some mysterious lore we have to simply outgrow it.

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"Let the dead pass, various dead," they say.

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"Be prepared to live in an era of enlightenment, an enlightenment which you would blight by

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asking us to espouse the superstitions of our remote ancestors. These so-called superstitions, however, it is

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interesting to note, die hard. In fact, they do not die at all, but insinuate themselves

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as a discordant note in our matter-of-fact existences.

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McCall's magazine published some time ago an article by Edgar Wallace entitled The Curse of Amunrah

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dealing with the phenomena attended upon the opening of the tomb of the Pharaoh

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to take him in yeah, so look man you don't believe in magic what about the tombs of the pharaohs and the curse hmm yeah

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Yeah, hmm. I

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arrows and the curse. Yeah. Yeah. Hmm. I see you have no answer. Therefore, Bill has won the point. I believe I believe I do have an answer and I think it's I think it's become

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something of I guess a new life proposition for me. Anytime one of these people says something

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very commandingly like this cannot be denied. My first instinct shall always be to be, I deny that, Ben.

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I strongly deny that.

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If you say it cannot be denied,

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that strongly suggests that it needs to be denied.

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And in fact, probably should be.

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- It's been proven.

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- Nope.

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- It's documented.

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- Believe it or not.

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- It's beyond debate.

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- Wrong.

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- Yeah.

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- I debate that.

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- I generally think that those are tales for like,

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oh, we're on shaky ground.

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- Yep, yep, yep. - You're trying to overcompensate. Don't ask questions is

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a good way to start. Yeah. Yeah. So the Egyptians had magic I guess. Yeah. And you know we know

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of the the mummies. Yeah. The mummies. Come on. The mummies. The The mommy's. I mean, do I, does he think they're cluttering up

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our museums? He certainly said that. Here's the deal. I also agree. I agree with him kind

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of that it's in poor taste to have mummies and museums. So I mean, I would put it as

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clutter, a clutter up our museums. But when you really, you know, you break it down, it's

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not cool. I'm I listen, if that's the angle you wanna take, that's fine.

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I just feel like cluttering is probably the wrong word.

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I mean, at the very least-- - It's disrespectful.

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- At the very least, mummies do belong in me,

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or at least not belong, but are appropriate fixtures

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for a, this is a place where things are several thousand years old.

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- Yeah, but maybe there are too many of them.

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- I'm, hey had a listen that's a

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preference that if you're like a janitor museum you like sweeping up like a

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couple of them on the d_m_s mommy's

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uh... so a lot of people who went to toton commons

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uh... uh... to sure

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they died

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did they

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mccall magazine published some time ago and article by edgar wallop

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entitled

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the curse of i'm in rah some time ago an article by Edgar Wallace entitled "The Curse of Amunrah."

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Dealing with the phenomena, a tindice upon the opening of the tomb of the pharaoh,

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Thutankamim. After vividly describing the curse of Amunrah, the author sums up the effect of this curse

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upon those who came in contact with the tomb or its contents. His statements are in substance as follows.

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At the time the tomb was opened, the party present at the excavations included the Earl

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of Carnivon, Howard Carter and his secretary.

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Dick Bethel, M. Dennedite, the French archaeologist, and M. Pazanova.

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Of these only ones, Howard Carter remains alive.

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Now that was the time of the article. You can't have one guy survive if you want me to believe

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it's a magical curse. That's not how magic works. It's all or nothing on that one unless you show

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me that the person who survived got deep into magic and found ways to protect themselves from

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the curse. Yeah. Also these numbers are just wrong. There were 58 people present when the tomb was opened and many of them lived in normal ass lives afterwards.

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Howard Carter died in 1939, 17 years after the discovery of Tut's tomb, having a struggle

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with Hodgkin's disease. Lord Carnivon died in the year after the discovery, having been

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bit by a mosquito, the wound of which got infected after he had caught himself shaving

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or like was picking at the sore. Sure. One guy died from heat stroke, but it was the middle of Egypt in

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the 20s. Sure. So rough to rough time. Yeah, a lot of heat back then, not a lot of AC. Quite a bit.

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Quite a bit. The idea that there was a curse killing these people who opened the tomb or came in

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contact with the things from it was made popular by novelists like Arthur Conan Doyle.

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And it latched onto the public's imagination, but it's nonsense.

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This is really stupid.

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But I was thinking about it.

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Yeah.

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And I was thinking about the time, like if I had lived in the 20s,

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yeah, and there was this idea that there was a mummy's curse.

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Would I go into the tomb?

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And I decided that I wouldn't. You wouldn't.

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But it's not out of fear of the curse.

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OK.

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It's I just think it would be disrespectful.

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It would be rude.

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Yeah.

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They took the time to curse it.

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Well, it's obviously like, you know,

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should I be here?

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I don't want to dig up a grave either.

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Fair.

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OK.

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I just think it's kind of like this isn't my place.

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All right. It has nothing to do with the curse, but I wouldn't I wouldn't go.

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Here's what I here's where I went. I didn't go back to the twenties. I went back to the guys who

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were right in the curse. All right. Do you think they're like, man, this is gonna be so funny.

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He's gonna freak them out because nobody actually believes in magic. We're all modern Egyptians here

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We know that magic's not real only those old timers actually believe in that crazy shit

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But we're gonna write this down because later on people are gonna believe it right and then I'm thinking if you write a curse down now

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Everybody's gonna be like ah this guy. He's fucking crazy, but a thousand years from now

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They might think it's true right if you put something in a time capsule. Yeah, you're gonna fuck with someone's head

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It's ten thousand percent more important than if just because it's old. Yeah, so if you're looking for a prank

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That's not a bad one. That's not a bad one. Yeah, so

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A lot of people died from this tomb. Sure. Curse. Sure. Debatable.

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Mm.

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But Bill goes on. They were probably killed by magic.

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Sure.

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Only recently another name was added to the long list associated with the tragedy.

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Arthur Weigall after a long and mysterious illness similar to that defined in the curse is the most recent victim.

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illness, similar to that defined in the curse, is the most recent victim. The imminent authority on antiquities, Dr. Marta said, "The Egyptians, for seven thousand

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years, possessed the secret of surrounding their mummies with some dynamic force of which

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we have only the faintest idea."

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Over the entrance to the tomb of Tutankhamun was a magical tablet inscribed with strange hieroglyphics.

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Dr. Martis named this tablet "The Stella of Maladition"

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where it pronounced a fearful curse upon any sacrilegious person who might violate the sanctuary of the deified head. So according to Time Magazine, an article from 1934, Arthur

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Weigel died from cerebral a stereosclerosis. That would have

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been 12 years after the discovery of the tomb. Sure.

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It really feels like grasping at straws to try and connect this

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shit. I mean, there's there's so the nice thing about dying is that it's a 100% chance, right?

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So the great thing about curses is that it's just a four dimensional problem.

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If it's not cursy enough for you, just wait.

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Yeah.

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They're going to die.

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Yeah.

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You know, eventually and then you can make something.

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And death can be made suspicious if you want to just bend certain details and yeah also that

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Stale of Maladiction yeah that's a fun name it is yeah it might not be real

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ooh it might be a thing of legend yeah that's a real struggle yeah there is not

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like you can't find this at a museum or or too many fucking mummies around

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yeah cluttering up the place

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So I thought that was interesting though like you got this this curse

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Stella of maladiction and I was like, okay, all right. Let's hear some more about that. Yeah, thankfully Bill reads it

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Thing Oh

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Oh "O ye beings from above, O ye beings from below,

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Phantoms writing the breaths of men, ye of the crossroads and of the great highways,

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wanderers beneath the day of the night, and ye from the abysses of the west,

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on the fringes of the twilight, dwellers in the caverns of obscurity,

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who rouse terrors and shuddering, and ye walkers by night, whom

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I will not name, friends of the moon, and ye intangible inhabitants of the world of night.

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O people, O denizens of the tombs, all of you approach and be my witnesses and my respondents.

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Let the hand raised against my form bewither'd Let them be destroyed who attack my name, my foundation, my effigies, the images like

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unto me."

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Can modern Egyptologists and scientists and all branches and departments view likely the

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culture of the Egyptians if their researches into the forces of nature gave them such strange

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power and enabled them to master natural laws of which modern learning has no knowledge or conception."

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Wait, but did it though?

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Did you know that Lars Hansen was reared in the cell group?

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Did you know that a very famous talk show host who covers for the masons all the time

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was a member?

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Also, was heavily involved with the Communist Party.

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I talked about Johnny Carson.

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Did you know these things? Do you ever bother to check you who listened to these people

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and believed them blindly? You, the sheeple of the world?

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Circumstances so extraordinary as the curse of King Tutankhamun simply overtax the theory of miracle incidents folks

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Nor is this an isolated case as those will remember who read the accounts of the Cleopatra

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Mummy curse many years ago. Ah more mummy curses

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Damn, so that stelae doesn't exist for Bill to be quoting so when he said the words

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Yeah, they're on it,

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I was like, where is this coming from?

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- Yeah, that's very difficult.

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- But because he gave the actual words,

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you can actually find, yeah, yeah.

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It's easier to find.

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And it turns out all of this,

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everything, the whole Egypt magic that shit,

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all of it is just him reading word for word

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out of a book by Manly P. Hall

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called Freemasonry of the Ancient Egyptians.

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Great.

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This is such a disappointment and this is where it gets to the question of what does

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he believe?

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Right.

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Because it sounds like this is what Bill is saying.

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It sounds like he's saying the Egyptians knew magic dance.

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He is 100% asserting in his own voice

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that magic is real and those people did die

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as a result of magical powers.

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- Yes.

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- That is how it comes off.

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In actuality, he's reading and then throwing in folks

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here and there or like a complaint about a talk show host.

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But the rest of it is Alders Manly P. Hall's text,

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like word for word.

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When he says quote and then end quote

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That's the quotes that exist in the book. He's not even the book. Okay. Okay. Gotcha like it's

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Paragraphs, okay upon paragraphs, okay of just it's I think it borders on plagiarism. Yeah, it's plagiarism

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That's what plagiarism is it borders on it. He's dead who cares that's fair. So I agree with that

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That kind of led me to be really disappointed because I was like I don't know what to think of this Yeah, I don't know if Bill does believe that magic the Egyptians were practicing magic

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I think he I'm inclined to think he thinks that yeah, I

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be I I mean

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Okay, I think here's where we run into problems with the word magic

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is that I know that Bill would obviously agree with the concept of the supernatural.

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Yeah. And that I think we would colloquially describe

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as magic. But for some people, there's a very different thing

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between the spiritual supernatural validity

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and the magical supernaturality.

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- I think a little bit later he does say

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that while he's reading from this Manly P. Hall book,

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that sorcery and magic are different.

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- See, there we go.

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It always comes there.

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- Magic is a supreme understanding

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of the natural world, where it's like sorcery is something else. Right, right, right. The

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Egyptians knew magic in that sense or something. I think that that distinction is there. Yeah,

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that just means anytime you call somebody out on something, they do a they do a little

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split. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So after this point, I when I realized that this Stella was just from

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Manly P. Hall, and that's all he'd been reading. I kind of was like, well, now I have the script.

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Now I have the script. I can just like see what he's going to say before he says it because it's

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in this text. Okay. Manly P. Hall. Right. Right. Scorpion. Crab. Add a US on that mainly phallus. Okay. All right. Yeah. Okay. So you change

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M. A. N. Yep. To C. R. A. B. Crably phallus. Yes. We've got to the bottom nailed it. - Cribly people. - Cribics, yeah, that's it. (laughing) - So we struggled in the last episode

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to make sense of whether or not

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the mystery Babylon religion was something

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that relied on stuff they'd learned about pre-Christian times

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or if it existed before Christianity.

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- Because they believe that Christianity

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has perversion of their own thing. - Right. -. Right. And in this next clip, I think we can solve that mystery Babylon. Okay.

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Nice. You may wonder where all this is going. Yes. It becomes clear when you understand that

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the Egyptians inherited the religion of Babylon. So are we to presume that this single phase of ceremonial magic

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constituted the entire repertoire of the Egyptian

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Talmatogus? You see, if they could manifest such surprising power, is it not

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probable that they possessed a knowledge of other natural hidden forces, forces as yet unknown to the modern public world, which is possibly

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of an estimable value.

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So when he says you may wonder where this going, where this is going, Bill is editorializing, but

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then he immediately jumps back into the Manly P. Hall of Text.

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All right.

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But what we can take away from this is definitely the mystery religion that Bill's rambling about

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predates Christianity. It was a bit unclear in unclear the first episode but now there's no doubt

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yeah goes from Babylon they inherited it in Egypt and then it has gone on

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through time ever since I have a I here's okay here's the problem I have with the

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plagiarism thing mm-hmm it's not the plagiarism part it's that he asked me to

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sit by the radio with a pen and paper right just go buy that book just book. Just go get me. Just tell me what book you're reading from.

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Yeah. I don't need to take notes.

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No. If there's a book that I could be reading.

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I'm wasting my time. Yeah.

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But I think that I think it's important that Bill is editorializing a little bit.

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Wow. Just reading straight from this text.

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Sure. Because it's it's what Alex does too.

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Totally. It's the it's depriving an audience of really understanding

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what is from you and what is from this other place.

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It makes it much more difficult to assess

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what is the point you're making,

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what's the veracity of this information.

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- Sure.

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- And yeah, it's a thread that goes throughout these guys.

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- Yeah, and it's what they do to their advantage.

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The blurrier you are, the harder it is to pin pin you down and if you can't be pinned down then nobody can ever say that oh this person's definitively wrong

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Yeah, you're all the way over here saying that you believe that the Egyptians did magic

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I mean, I'm not saying that I believe the Egyptians did mad it really sounded like that's what you were saying

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Well, I am saying that the Egyptians did magic right, but you really just saying that manly p_haul said that the Egyptians did

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magic exactly i agree with them

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okay

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so uh... bill uh...

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seems to be saying that they did do that yeah that's right

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we are sure in the authorized version and i think i've arrived version of

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holy rit that the magicians of egypt changed their states are robs and

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disperpents

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in the presence of

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Pharaoh. The modern scientist does not live who can duplicate that phenomena, yet if he

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happens to be a good Christian he is in somewhat of a dilemma. We can pass over all the desperate

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efforts to disprove the magical powers of the Egyptians as arising not from immature knowledge, but

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from a desperate prejudice.

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You see, magic is too ancient and too universal to be explained away by mirrors, wires, and

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hinges.

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In Egypt we are dealing unquestionably with true manifestations of occult power."

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So after he said that a real Christian has a dilemma, Bill appears to diverge from the

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manly p-hall text, but he's really just skipping over like four paragraphs and he jumps back

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into the text as it is, but it does seem like they knew magic.

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I see here's the thing.

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And Christians have to accept that.

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I hate this shit because I want magic.

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I'll do it. You know, like this is the problem with magic. I'll do it.

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You know, like this is the problem with their whole dramatic angle towards it,

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is that it's always got to be something you wrestle with and it comes with that.

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Fuck that. I'll take it. I'll take magic. I'll take it right now.

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Whatever. What do you want?

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What do you want to take from me, the devil? My soul fine. Done.

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We'll do it. I'm done.

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But you have to give me-- We're only on episode two.

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But you have to give me magic and then I have to do magic, you know, right like that's this is my problem

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They're always like oh

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Well, they would never give it to you because you want it to bad fuck you right, you know, I think that

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If that were a bargain that people could strike up we'd have a lot of really fucked up things in history

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that we'd have a lot of people just doing magic

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all over the floor.

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- Yeah, why not?

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I like that you looked outside just to confirm

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like no magic out there, cool.

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- There's an airplane.

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- Well, there's a little magic out there.

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- Yeah, in a sense.

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If that's your definition of magic,

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I don't even wanna have this conversation though.

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- Fair enough.

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- If it's like we figured out how to fly a fly a plane. Fuck you. Yeah

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So Bill I think is not sure about the magic thing, but he's also sure of it. God. I hate people. Yeah

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Egyptologist

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Le Norma acknowledges Egyptian magic as an essential part of their religious philosophy

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James Bunwick, "If our G.S. thus summarizes the powers possessed by Egyptian adepts." "Egyptian mystics could levitate, walk the air, handle fire, live

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underwater, sustain great pressure, harmlessly suffer mutilation, read the past,

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foretell the future, make themselves invisible, and cure disease."

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Now I have no idea whether to believe that or not.

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Why?

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That is what this expert says. Now if you doubt the power of magic wielded by the priests of Mystery Babylon, listen to this.

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Or we can compare James Bonwick's account with some other news from Tibet.

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Another land long famous for magic.

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So what's the point? Um, I, these, you can levitate and fly and live underwater

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and all this stuff. The mystery Babylon magicians could all do this. Now, now I don't know if

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I believe that, but there's expert says, what are we supposed to do with that perspective?

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This, this expert that I've described as extremely gifted. Yeah. So if you're a manly

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pea-holed it, right, right, right. So if you're going to describe somebody as extremely gifted. - Yeah. - Or manly p-holed it. - Right, right, right.

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So if you're going to describe somebody

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as extremely gifted, only to negate everything

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they've said by going, "What do you think?"

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- Yeah.

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- Then what's the point of having words?

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- Well, 'cause the, yeah,

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'cause the conclusion would have to be,

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I don't believe this fucking expert.

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- Yeah.

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- This person therefore is not an expert.

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- Right.

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- They're a liar or they're an incorrect person

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and extremely gifted means they're extremely gifted

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with incorrectitude.

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- That, and that to me means that Bill

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is gotta believe they can do that.

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- Absolutely.

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- Otherwise this is an incoherent hour of broadcasting.

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- Obsert.

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- So that's at least something we've learned.

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- Yeah.

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- Last time we learned that God, Jesus is the son.

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- Yeah.

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- Up in the sky. - Yeah. - And we time we learned that God, Jesus is the son. - Yeah. - Up in the sky.

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- Yeah. - And we learned this time

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that mystery Babylon predates Christianity.

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- Yep. - And that magic is part of it.

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- Right. - They can do magic.

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- If magic, I swear to God. - And the bill is kind

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of a plagiarist. - I swear to God,

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I would, if magic was real, I could totally do magic.

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I could totally do it. - What do you mean? - I mean, if magic was real, I could totally do magic. I could totally do it.

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- What do you mean?

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- I mean, if magic was real, if it's a measure of belief

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or imagination or willingness to sacrifice

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or any of those things, if magic was real,

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I could totally have done it by now.

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- Okay.

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- You know what I can't do?

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- You say focus long enough to do card tricks.

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- When you say I could do, I didn't know if you were

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physically capable.

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- No.

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- Well, I mean, what are--

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- 'Cause I mean, what if it comes down to a situation where I don't know, you met like you were physically capable. - No. - Well, I mean, I mean, we are.

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- What if it comes down to a situation where like,

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I don't know, you run into a genie?

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- Sure.

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- And the genie says,

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I'll give you all the magic you want.

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- Cool.

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- You say yes.

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And then it turns out, uh oh, your body just isn't like,

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it does you have the wrong blood type or something like that.

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- Fair.

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- Yeah.

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- But now I know.

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- That would be kind of disappointing though.

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- I mean, it might be kind of disappointing,

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but what's really interesting about that though

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is that there is a result that I can be like,

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actually magic is real, I just have a shitty blood type.

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Now maybe I can't prove that to anybody else,

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but I would know that magic was real.

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- Well I should tell you a little story

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about a genie and dance.

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- Yep, I have the wrong blood type

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But I am capable of all sorts of magic. Wow. There you go. How would you ever know? I believe you?

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Anyway, Bill stupid. Yeah

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We have one last clip here and it's connecting the Egyptian magic all right to more present-day concerns

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Like Alistair Crowley, okay?

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According to Plato the highest form of magic consisted in the divine worship of the gods, the world.

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And according to Iamblicus, the priests through sacridotal theology were able to offend from

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a material state of unconsciousness to a realization of the universal ethic, thus coming to an understanding of universal purpose.

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Real quick, Bill said unconscious, but it was actually

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conscious in the text. Gotcha. By which the performance

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of high heat of magic became possible.

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Thousands of years later, Alistair Crowley

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claimed the same thing.

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Now this is significant.

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It's proper at this point to establish a clear line of demarcation between magic and sorcery.

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You see, the term magic was not associated with occult, jublary by the Egyptians, but

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arose from a profound understanding of natural law.

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Magic said general Albert Pike, and you will be hearing an awful lot of general Albert

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Pike during this series of shows.

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Ancient Egyptian general Albert Pike during this series of shows. Ancient Egyptian General Albert Pike?

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Magic says General Albert Pike is the exact and absolute science of nature and its laws.

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End quote.

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From the knowledge of this absolute science arises occult science.

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Occult merely needs hidden folks.

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From experience in occult science, in in turn arises the theology card. For as

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surely as man has adapted his physical universe to his purposes so surely the

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adept of the mystery school adapt the metaphysical universe to his purposes.

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To acknowledge that the Egyptians possess the power of adapting mystical forces

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to physical ends is to bestow upon them proficiency in the most perfect and difficult of the

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arts, according to the mystery religion of Babylon.

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Yet to deny this ability on the part of the Egyptian priests is to deny the evidence

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and we must resign ourselves to the undeniable fact that they possess a form of learning

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which has not been conferred upon this present race at least publicly.

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Men like Alistair Crowley have proven that it has been passed down through the ages and is kept and

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practiced secretly by those who called themselves the guardians of the secrets

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of the ages. Is it? Of course we are in desperate need of money to help pay for

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airfare if you like this show. If you want to stay on me, then please reach down in

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your pockets. Hey that's familiar.

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Yep.

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There it is.

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So that's another little little Alex-eism.

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Nice ad pivot there.

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But I don't, I got a lot of this is still just reading the manly P. All thing.

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Yeah.

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And so, and I don't get exactly what groundwork

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He's laying right other than like okay these magicians who's not like fucking magic magic

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They just know the rules of nature so well that they can manipulate reality

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Yeah

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That has existed since the beginning of time sure or whatever and this cult has

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Come down to Alistair Crowley fine bummer

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Bummer what a real bummer sure I mean at least at least Jack Parsons eventually did blow things up

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You know like sure there's mysticism. That's a bummer, but then he built rockets. So that's pretty cool

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Yeah, you know that's pretty magical, but Alistair Crowley fucked a lot. - He, well so, yeah, but that's kind of what

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Jack Parsons was into too.

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That's why they were hanging out.

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Him and Elrond and Alistair.

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- Yeah.

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- All fucking people.

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- I don't know where we are,

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like in terms of the point.

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- That's a good question.

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- We end a second adventure. I do feel like something

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is, I wanted to say taking shape, but that's not fair. No, it's not. It's not. But there's

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an idea of something that could possibly maybe take shape. Yeah. Okay. So by virtue of reading somebody else's book. - Yeah. - At the very least, you are saying,

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just by doing, that it is of import.

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- It has to be.

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- Yeah, right.

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- Because, no, I think that what,

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he's reading Manly P. Hall's book

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and pretending that it is the result of his research.

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- And his like investigators,

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like getting inside the Mason's.

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Yeah. Yeah. I think that's the little shell game that he's playing.

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Right. So he has to.

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At the very least, he has to be giving the listener the impression that this is

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something that you have to know is real.

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Yeah, is real.

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Right. It can't just be stupid.

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- Yeah, it can't just be like,

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"Hey, y'all ever hear about this?

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"Like, it can't be that.

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"He's reading it the way that he's reading it.

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"There's no other implication than, like,

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"Oh, I have to take this seriously."

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And this serious guy is saying the magic is real.

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- Yeah, and you need to learn these important lessons

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about what your enemy believes.

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- Right.

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- And it is important to understand this because they can do magic. And you need to learn these important lessons about what your enemy believes. - Right.

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- And it is important to understand this

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because they can do magic.

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- I mean, if that's the point,

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if the point of all of this is that I should really learn

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what my enemies understand and believe

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because my enemies are actually capable of doing magic,

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I submit this to you.

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I wanna be their friend and not yours.

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I don't have magic. - not yours. I don't magic.

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I know. I don't know if I automatically go that direction, but I definitely feel like my experience of listening to these first two so far has been like, I know,

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I look, I don't know if I'm on mystery babble on side, but I'm certainly not on

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bills. No, like Bill's side makes little sense.

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Seems stupid. Yep. And I think it doesn doesn't it's not comporting himself well. Yeah to get me if this isn't eternal struggle between two sides

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He's made the other side make more sense. I think yeah, and that's not great. Yeah

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But yeah magic magic snout. It is I personally feel a shame to watch somebody's shadow box and lose.

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That is very difficult to make up an enemy's dumb ideas and to lose to them.

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Yeah.

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And I think I worry about this too.

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Like I think that this is something that came up in our past explorations of Bill

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is like if this is all just reading Manly P. Hall then like I mean the first chapter of his book is

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just republishing silent weapons for choir. What was he's a plagiarist. Yeah. So I worry that like

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maybe there isn't much of him other than like he's just reading these things of all the things

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to find out through all of what we've done. I think it would be really cool to find out that

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bill Cooper was not even not a fraud in the way that we think he was just a regular fraud but he's

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even more of a fraud than we could ever have imagined he was even more of a fraud than we could ever have imagined. He was even more of a fraud than Alex because he's not even this person.

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There's a doesn't it doesn't appear that there's like a ton of research.

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He's done.

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It's just a book.

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He's just a liar who's reading out of a book.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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We'll see if that's the case.

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I think I'll probably maybe at least try and learn a little bit more and we'll see what

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happens. But yeah see what happens.

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But, yeah, until then, we have a website.

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And do we do it, Now here comes the sex robots. Andy and Chansa, sure on the earth. Thanks for holding.

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So Alex, I'm a first-time color. I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.