Transcript/1026: Tucker, The Man And His Utopia

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- Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

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I'm Dan. - I'm Jordan.

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- We're a couple dudes, like sit around,

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worship with the author of "Slean"

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and talk a little bit about

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Alex Jones. Oh indeed. We are Dan Jordan Dan Jordan quick question for you up

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What's up? What's bright spot today buddy? My bright spot Jordan is we were talking off air the other day

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And that how I I've not I've not felt grabbed by a video game

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Yes in a bit like I enjoyed Assassin's Creed forbid, but then it became a little bit of like

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Yes in a bit like I enjoyed Assassin's Creed for a bit But then it became a little bit of like it's a little drudgery sure kind of the same a lot of stuff totally get it

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I

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Fucked around and tried out this game called the blue prince. Okay, and man it got it hooks

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It's got hooks in me, but bad. What's it do?

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I don't even want to explain much because there's a lot of history involved

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in a lot of exploration and puzzle. First person? Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it's hit me

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in a way that a game hasn't like it's scratched a mist type itch. Okay. I'm like that that's

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a deep itch. That is a deep way down. Yeah. Yeah. that'll get it took sin. Yeah, and I so I really enjoyed it

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It's it's a lot of fun. Nice. Yeah, that's awesome

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I beat it. Yeah, and I still I'm gonna keep playing it because there's still more stuff to uncover of course

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And what have you and that's uh, you know, that's great. That's fantastic. I enjoy it. That's fantastic

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That's your bright spot. My bright spot is actually also video game related. Okay. I finished Assassin's Creed. Congratulations beat it.

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I put a lot more time into it than you did and I really kind of took my time going through all the nooks and crannies. Sure. And then I did what I do with those types of games is like I was like, oh, well, okay. I'll beat the main storyline.

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I know there's more stuff, but right now I feel like now's a good time to beat

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the main storyline.

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And then I beat it and then I just, I'm done.

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It was like, it was amazing how, how like the ending was like free.

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And then I was just like, I never need to open this again.

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I'm like, it happened in an instant.

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Yeah.

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I think a lot of it, a lot of games like that, you end up, it's just like, I

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got to clean up some stuff if I want to. Yeah. But once the other main quest over is, okay,

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I did it. I'm happy for you. I'm happy to be done with it. How without giving away too

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much, I guess, how was the end satisfying? It was, it was, I would say that from a storytelling standpoint, it was very lazy

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and terrible.

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- Oh.

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- But it's very satisfying to kill slave owners.

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- Sure.

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- It's hard not to argue with that, right?

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- Yeah.

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How much of that unsatisfying end to the story do you think has to do with like choice? Because there there are some branchingness there are some branched paths and stuff not okay

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None that you you cannot influence what I'm talking about this

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Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of really interesting things that you can influence. I mean we've had some differences

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There's all that stuff, but yeah, they as far as I'm aware the ending that

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Yeah, that's a story telling yeah, oh, no. Oh well. What you gonna do? Hey, it's great check out blueprints

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Exactly. Good. That's my next plan

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So Jordan today we have an episode to go over all right and I went a little bit off of what my

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expectations were okay on this episode I called a little bit of a late audible

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and I have another Tucker episode.

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- Oh God, oh no.

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- It's Tucker Week.

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- Oh no.

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- Yeah, whatever.

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- Tucker Hewitt Edward.

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(laughing)

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- G Hewitt Everett Carlson.

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Yeah, he sucks.

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And I just started listening to some more episodes of this show. - Great. - And I'm like, "Hey, good, this is, we gotta talk about this."

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- Why not?

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- So we're gonna talk about him just hanging out

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with a Christian nationalist preacher.

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- Fun.

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- And we'll get down to that in a minute, but first,

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let's say a load of some new walks.

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- Ooh, that's a great idea.

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- So first, my Pat rats definitely love it

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when I shout rat alert.

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Thank you so much for your now policy walk.

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- I'm a policy walk. - Thank you very much. - Thank you. Next,, that's a great idea. So first, my Pat rats definitely love it when I shout "Rat Alert!"

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Thank you so much, Your Now Policy Wonk.

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Thank you very much!

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Thank you very much!

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Thank you!

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Next, if you've been in an accident where the intro to a Wesley Willis song turned out

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to be the Macarena, you may be entitled to compensation.

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Thank you so much, Your Now Policy Wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk!

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Thank you very much!

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Thank you!

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And I'm a policy wonk, Your Now Policy Wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk!

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Thank you very much. Thank you.

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And we have 10 credit in the mix, Jordan.

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So thank you so much to buttons arrived on my birthday

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and overshadowed my partner's Lego gift.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a Tucker grad.

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I'm a policy wonky.

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Four stars.

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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone, someone sodomites sent me a book in a poop.

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Thank you so much. Yes. Thank you very much. Sneaky ass button arrival. That's brutal. That's

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that's nobody's fault. But I would still be pissed off if I had gotten somebody really nice

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Lego set and then they're like look at these butt fuck you man Yeah, it's now your fault, but fuck you. Yeah, those Legos aren't glow in the dark. No, they're not

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I spend a lot of time scrolling through Lego sets and staring at them and being like I don't have anywhere to put that

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I'm not gonna get, I don't have anywhere to put that. I'm not going to get that. I don't why I want to get it.

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I want to build it, but I can't.

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I feel like that's what some people do with yachts.

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Like they look at yachts that they'll never be able to afford to million.

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Ah, that one's too small for me.

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It's like, Oh, there's a Lego set of the Thanos infinity gauntlet.

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It's like, I don't know if I've actually even seen that movie.

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I don't care, but it looks pretty cool and I'd like to build it.

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Probably will.

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So this guy, Tucker, Tucker, this fucking guy.

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Yeah.

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Uh, he, uh, on April Fool's day released an episode, uh, like a fucking April

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Fool, right, uh, interviewing this guy named Andrew Isker.

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Okay.

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And he is a Christian nationalist fella.

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Sure.

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Who has some maybe not great opinions

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about a fair amount of things.

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Wow, that'll happen.

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And has been in the news a bit recently

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because he's starting a church in the middle of nowhere.

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Okay, now I'm listening. Starting a community, church-based community in the middle of nowhere. Okay. Now I'm listening.

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Starting a community church based community in the middle of nowhere.

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I like it.

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So Tucker has him on, I guess, to promote this.

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Here's where we start off.

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Okay.

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So Andrew, thank you for doing this.

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So you're so controversial.

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I love that.

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God, I hate it.

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Mary Ben was six kids and places taxed.

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You're so controversial. (laughing) - You love that. - God, I hate it.

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- Mary Ben was six kids who pays his taxes.

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You're so controversial.

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- Mary.

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- Controversial would be not paying your credit card bill

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and putting the banks out of business,

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convincing other people to do the same.

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- What are you talking about?

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- Forcing the US government to pay attention

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to its own citizens.

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You're doing none of that,

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so as far as I'm concerned,

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you're a non-controversial law body man,

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but you are doing one thing that's pretty wild,

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which is participating in the building of a new town.

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It sounds almost like a Christian utopian experiment

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in Tennessee, but I don't really know.

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Can you tell me what it is and why you're doing it?

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Yeah, so it's not quite that.

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It's just not the Ohnidic community.

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Yeah, we're not building some kind of Anabaptic community. Yeah, we're not we're not building, you know, some kind of

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Anabaptist community. Okay, you're not the shakers. No,

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cold open getting used to that. That's a lot of fun. I was listening to this. I'm like, this is crazy as a

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like a premise, sure introduction. I know I, you know, if you I I guess if you wanna go and start a church

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in the middle of nowhere, good luck.

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- That's Utah, that's why we have Utah, so go for it.

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- It just seems a little strange that this rises

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to the level of Tucker Carlson show guests.

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- I mean, it really is wild because the first thing

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I can think of is just being like,

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"All right, we have Joseph Smith,

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"and he's got some really interesting ideas

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about these tablets he has,

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and he's moving into the woods."

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- I don't know why you're so controversial.

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- Yeah, but it seems crazy.

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You found him in the woods,

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we're gonna move to the woods, and that's it.

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I don't know why everybody's mad.

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- Yeah.

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(laughing)

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People are, oh, oh, he's leftist.

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- But they need to do is pay their taxes.

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- Or pay their credit card bills.

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- Or not.

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- Yeah, so Tucker, oh, called him Alex.

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- Yeah.

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- Tucker, he plays this game when he introduces guests

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sometimes, like this guy, Andrew Isker.

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I don't know why this guy is so controversial.

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What are people even thinking?

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He's just a guy trying to create a fundamentalist

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religious separatist community.

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It's probably he didn't pay his credit card bill or something.

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Sure.

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It's a fun game that he plays, where he takes a criticism that someone he's interviewing

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has received and then he acts incredulous about it, before moving on and pretending that

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that point has been invalidated.

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He does this because he knows that if you were to dip into these specific reasons people

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think Andrew's a bit controversial, it'd be a little harder to defend.

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Andrew is an open Christian nationalist and is very opposed to things like universal rights

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and the democratic system.

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Like most religious extremists, Andrew is fully aware that given a choice, very few people

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would actually want to live in the rigid, religiously doctrinaire world that he wants

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to create.

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He knows that his side would never be able to get their way

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through popular support. And I'm certain that he knows this because he said exactly that on an

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episode of his podcast from 2023. Hmm. We don't have political power. That's the thing. I saw

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like after Tuesday, there were all sorts of guys who were like, how many elections of

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Christian nationalists want? Like, what are they going to win anything? I don't care about Christian nationalism until they actually accomplish something.

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That take is really stupid.

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And I've seen people say that and it makes me lose a lot of respect for them and like

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they're thinking because it's like the goal is not to like have this electoral

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majority and try to produce what we want to Christian America through the ballot

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box right that's that's not going to happen that's that's bullish and like

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you look at Ohio right a red state that overwhelmingly goes to

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try you know baby murder in its constitution, this last election, because

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America's not there. They're not ready for it anymore. They're not ready to

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baby murder any more than they're ready to have like Seth laws, right?

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All these things, but to think about in terms of like a conceptual framework,

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right, right, what would it look like when we have political power?

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All right, so you set your eye on the goal

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and then you backtrack to, okay,

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how do we get from where we are today

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political power and all to that, right?

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What steps do you have to take?

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What direction do you go?

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It's not a question of, oh,

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here's the blueprint to win elections.

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That's stupid.

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It's more

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and it's more about retraining the my Christian Americans to think within this

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framework rather than think within well you know we're in this secular liberal

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society and that's just the way it is and we'll try to have you know moral

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Christian candidates you know in the GOP and that'll

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take things.

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Like, to project that whole kind of thinking and, no, we want a Christian American one day.

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Yeah.

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So I've listened to a little bit of his show and I'll say that despite my strong disagreement

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with Andrew about just about everything, he doesn't really mince words too much, like

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on the actual show, like it's pretty clear.

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- Yeah.

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- He's not making any act about how he wants the US

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to be a Christian theocracy,

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about how people following other religions is heretical

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and how this is kind of an ethnic thing.

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But he also really doesn't want to talk about that.

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- Right.

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- The part, he doesn't want to get into the specifics

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about the ethnic part.

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- Odd how that works.

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- I thought the way that his co-host put it on this uh...

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same episode of his podcast was uh... pretty cute

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okay i i i don't think you can get away from the ethnic aspect of things

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i'm not an ethnic uh... essentialist

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someone has to be a certain ethnicity to have

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uh... you know i a full standing in society so i'm not an essentialist

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but i don't think you can. But I don't think you

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can get away. I don't think you can separate it completely. I think there are relations,

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coincidences and correspondences there that we need to talk about.

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Okay, absolutely. Yeah. So I felt like that characterized the vibe that I got off these

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guys. They're racists and they know it. They just don't think that being racist is bad.

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And they've intellectualized their position enough that I suspect they don't identify

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Their position with bigotry and hatred. It's somehow ascended well. I mean

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What's interesting is that they seem to have weaponized two things they've weaponized the slippery slope argument

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like you can't be like hey, it's a slippery slope to listen to this guy because his

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Explicit goal is to slippery slope us into where he wants us

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to go. Right? So you can't say like it's a slippery slope. That's his goal. Yeah. Right. And then he,

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uh, I guess weaponized. There are some good ones argument. Like I'm a, I'm an ethnic, I'm not an

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ethnic essentialist, which is like, see, I'm not a racist. There are people who only like white people.

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I acknowledge that there's like five or six good black people.

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So there you go, I'm not a racist.

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- It's an essential.

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- They're essentialists.

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- Yeah. - Yeah.

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- Listening to their show was a strange kind of experience

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where it's refreshing on the one hand

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because they don't hide some of their very

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objectionable political beliefs.

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But on the other hand, there is still a similarity

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to a lot of the other tiptoe bullshit that you hear from these

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These kinds of shows. I'm not an ethnic

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Essentialist, but there's an ethnic component to my conception of Christian nationalism that you can't escape is a ridiculous statement to make

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Unless you're just doing a half-assed job of trying to cover up the fact that ethnic essentialism is pretty important to you

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And you just recognize that most people don't like that.

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- Yeah.

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- So I listened to a bit more of their show

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and I got a pretty good sense

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that they don't like Jewish people much.

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- Oh yeah?

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- They use the term quote,

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the Jewish question a couple times, which is a bad sign.

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I didn't listen to a ton of their episodes

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but I did listen to one where they interview

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a World War II revisionist guy

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about how great Charles Lindbergh is.

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Sure. So that was that that's cool stuff. Great. But it did seem like they weren't in the storm

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front sort of anti-semitic camp. But I found an article in Mother Jones that helped me get a

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better picture of where this guy is at. Apparently in 2023 he tweeted quote, "I don't hate Jews.

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Their religion is literally

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blasphemous and anti Christian. You cannot be a Christian without recognizing this.

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I don't buy the whole not being motivated by hate thing, but having listened to his show,

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I'm willing to believe that Andrew believes that about himself. He has a political and social view

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that's indistinguishable from a neo nazi, but he's definitely not one. It's just a coincidence that his religious beliefs line up that way.

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So I think that that's probably the story that's going on internally.

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And I think he believes it.

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- Yeah, that sounds true.

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- This dude sucks, but as far as I'm concerned, we just have a fundamental difference of opinion

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that debate and reason aren't gonna solve.

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On a very simple

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level, he just doesn't believe that some people are as much of humans as he is, and

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he deserves more rights than them. He's a Christian nationalist, but it's also not about

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Christianity. Yeah. And I know that because he says it himself.

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Uh oh.

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Well, it goes to the question to CJ, um, of if all eight billion people are six of the eight billion people on planet Earth

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say Christ is the Lord, does that mean they can become Americans? Right? Right. Right.

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No. No. Christian nationalism isn't about Christianity clearly because of three quarters

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of the world joined together in forming a Christian state that wouldn't be acceptable to Andrew.

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This isn't about Christianity. It's about domination and Christianity is the vehicle

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that Andrew and his ilk have chosen to enable that domination.

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He knows that the US wouldn't vote to submit itself to his particular version of cultural

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dominance, so he's decided to do the thing that so many religious zealots and profiteers

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have done before him.

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He's starting a church/planned community

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in the middle of nowhere,

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and Tucker Carlson is invited him onto the show

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to promote it while pretending

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that he has no idea why anyone would think

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this guy's controversial.

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It's bullshit.

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- I mean, okay.

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I'm actually pro him forming a community

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in the middle of nowhere,

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so long as it also can't contact anybody

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or affect anybody else in any way.

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Well, I guess if a bunch of racists want to get together and live in a hole, I'm not mad about that.

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I did, unfortunately, learn that the plots of land do have internet connectivity.

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So that's what the problem is coming out of there.

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See, that's the problem. They say they want a separatist community,

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but what they want is a bunch of them together so they can fight people better.

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And also water provided by the city and electricity

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that's cool.

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- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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- So the issue that I have,

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and why I decided to do an episode here

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is that like, this is kind of wild.

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For someone in Tucker Carlson's

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ostensible media position to be like white

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washing dude who's going to start a Christian

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nationalist church in the middle of nowhere

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as part of a strategy that is essentially like,

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well, we can't ever electorally win power.

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- Of course not.

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- So we're gonna just create these enclaves.

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But I honestly didn't know if that would have been

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all that interesting, But there's a

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secondary dynamic to this that I think is it's important to keep track of. This is not all

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ideological. Right. There is an ideological aspect to this. Right. But some of it is also

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a business thing. Great. Great. And so the name of this business comes up

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that's behind all of this. - Great, good stuff.

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(upbeat music)

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- So it's a company town and a religious town.

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- No really, it's-- - Good stuff, good stuff.

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- You know, it's a company, you know,

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Ridge Runner is purchasing land

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and sort of facilitating a lot of things.

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Like you're familiar with the big sort where

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people are leading, you know, blue states to go to red states and things like that where

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it's along those lines where people are leading like I left Minnesota, very blue state. Everyone's

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now familiar with our governor in that state. Tim Walls.

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Don't hire him to babysit. No, I would not. You would be the last person.

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Yes, I think so. Ha ha ha ha. So it feels like it might be time for these guys to give up on their

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fears about Tim walls. I mean, that's past the expiration date. It feels that way. In that clip,

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Anders beginning to lay out the structure of this plan to form a religious community in rural

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Tennessee. A company called Ridge Runner bought a 448 acre plot of land, which they intend to develop

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into plots that they can sell to people wanting to escape from secular society.

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Ridge Runner has bought up multiple such plots around the Highland Rim area of Kentucky and

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Tennessee with a goal of creating a bunch of communities that can be used to create a

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parallel economy and culture to the evil world outside.

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Good stuff.

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Ridge Runner was founded by a guy named Josh Abatoy, who's a managing director with an

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anti-woke venture capital firm called New Founding.

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He helped create their capital fund, which aims to invest in businesses that skew far

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to the right politically.

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Our Christian and very importantly, are into cryptocurrencies.

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- Great, good stuff.

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- According to Forbes, billionaire dipshit

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and past Rogan guest Mark Andreessen signed on

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as a limited partner and provided them

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with a nice chunk of change.

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It appears that he isn't the only Silicon Valley type

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who they're working with.

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- Good stuff, good stuff.

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- It's a smart move and a pivot

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for these type of oligarchs to make

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since they never really cared about liberal social values to begin with

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Nope, and they're bringing about a power structure that will have contempt for the idea of regulation and customer

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Consumer protections it works all to their advantage. It's always a good idea to have a castle with surfs on it

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Yeah, workers rights are are antithetical to don't even say those words. Right. So anyway,

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this Christian nationalist venture capitalist firm with billionaire Silicon Valley backing

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is behind this Ridge Runner company that's going to sell Christian nationalists plots of land that

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they can create their own compounds on presumably aligning with each other and using cryptocurrency.

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I would assume so. Yeah. As their website says, quote, we welcome and encourage the adoption of Bitcoin and other disruptive technologies that can at their

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best promote economic sovereignty. This is a marriage of Christian fundamentalism and

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tech bro bullshit. One of their recent projects, the Bend at Cumberland River, which is in

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Kentucky, it started selling lots at least a year ago, and they currently have six sold

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out of 50

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Okay, I'm not a real estate guy, but that doesn't sound very good

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It sounds like there's a bit of a low organic demand to this

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Andrew Isker is a pastor and he's announced his plan to buy a plot in their Tennessee development to build a church

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It's all good stuff and he and Tucker definitely don't feel the need to talk about how he's not Randy Weaver within five minutes of this interview

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Good stuff. Definitely not Randy Weaver, but great great. Well, that roomy Ridge. It's Ridge Runner

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I I feel very strongly about this

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for all of the

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Snicky oilyness of what's going on right now If I was going to talk to somebody who I

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Ideologically despised who wanted to buy one of these I would be torn between two things one you are obviously getting scammed

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Yeah, and I don't like you so good go get scammed. It's for you. I don't give a shit

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Yeah, I fucked or - I don't care if we disagree on something. This is a scam

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They're scamming you.

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Maybe you believe in God and more power to you,

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but you're getting scammed, right?

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What do I do here?

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- Yeah.

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Well, I mean, I don't care.

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- Sure, I don't care either.

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I think that it's interesting to understand

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and see this happening.

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- Yeah.

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- But yeah, I don't have any feelings about telling people

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to not get involved with this very clear scam.

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I mean, if you buy one of these, you're getting scammed.

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Unless you're quite rich. Unless you're quite rich.

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Yeah. Well, I mean, yeah, it's just land there.

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You have to build a house on it. So that's on the top.

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Right. You know, whatever you're paying for the land. Sure.

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And then you also, unless you're buying it outright, yeah,

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you're going to owe a ton of money to the venture capital firm. Yep. It owns all the land that you're buying it outright, you're gonna owe a ton of money to the venture capital firm.

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- Yep.

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- It owns all the land that you're buying from.

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- And they're gonna be so kind.

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- Yeah.

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- And like you get behind in your payments

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because you're living in the middle of nowhere

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and there's no jobs in theory.

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Oh, do they foreclose?

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- Yes, they absolutely do.

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- Yeah.

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- Maybe.

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- Yep, yep, they remove everything and they own it now.

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- Yeah.

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- Yeah.

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- So I think that there is like a little bit of a,

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"Yeah, I see what you're doing here."

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- You're stealing souls.

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Is that what you're doing?

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You're stealing souls.

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- For God. - For God.

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My bad, my bad. - Yeah.

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- So I mean, it's honestly beyond all that stuff.

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It's perfect because you can just like get your friends

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together and go live in the woods together. - Of course. - mean, yeah. Everybody should do it. And so it's a platform to be

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able to draw all of your friends together. It's like, well, we can kind of live anywhere.

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Why don't we, why don't we all live in the same kind of place and bring our families,

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bring our businesses and build things together.

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So it's-

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I bet you'll find out there are reasons.

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It's for drawing people that are spread out all throughout the country and can leave

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these places that are not great.

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Living in large cities or suburbs where it's totally disconnected and and you have really isolated, alienated from from normal life and you can you can have the

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American small town experience once again

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So sad to hear you say that about Minnesota as as a Scandinavian

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I always thought of it was told it was like where all the Swedes are and it's kind of you know lots of sound us and

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You know red cheek children and it's

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clean and reasonable. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Not, not the case anymore. Why did you leave

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there? Um, you know, for us, it was, are you from there? I'm from there. Yeah. Born and

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raised in, in Wasikka, Minnesota, my, my children were the sixth generation of our family that lived in that town.

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Oh gosh.

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And in that town?

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In that town.

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Yeah.

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In the town of Waseka.

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Oh, you're in that town of Verde there?

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Yes.

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There's six generations that are buried there, even one of my own children that passed.

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All they're like...

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Will you be moving them to Tennessee?

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You know, a couple blocks away from the cemetery where all of all my ancestors were buried.

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Oh gosh. Yeah. Oh, that's very heavy.

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Yes. Is it? Yes. So heavy. So heavy.

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Tucker is going to be seriously focused on the six generations of his family living in the town thing.

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Unsurprised. Which made me realize that in his interview with Alex that we just covered, he said he didn't want to leave the United States because his ancestors are buried here. I thought that was just kind of an expression, but I think

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he was being a bit more literal. My family moved around a bunch when I was growing up. So maybe

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I just can't relate to this. Maybe I don't care where bones are. I absolutely could not give less

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of a shit where bones are. Yeah. This mentality that you and your friends can just up and move to

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the middle of Tennessee is a little disconnected from most people's reality

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For instance, you can't just do that if you rely on a job that isn't something that you can do remotely

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You can work from home out there because the government they hate so much has set up electricity and internet access to these plots of land

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But if you have to go into a physical workplace rural Tennessee might be a long commute from where you need to go.

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It's rough.

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This would be tough for working people to pull off.

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And that's kind of because the idea, I think, is to move Silicon Valley-type people into

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the woods.

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Naturally.

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And create what you exactly use it.

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Company towns.

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Yep.

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And then these little pockets,

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and people who couldn't just work online and shit.

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There is no intention of building a factory or a mine

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or something.

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- Right, no, I mean, here's the problem with this,

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and this is something that I think is distinctly American.

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Every few years, somebody comes up with this brand new idea to do exactly this again.

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It happens all the time.

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And at no point in time does everybody go like, "Hey, how is it going that?"

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Nope.

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It's always, "We're going to do it right this time."

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I've never heard anybody not go like, "Yeah, but we're going to do it right this time."

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And like, "Hey, well, we've got a couple of hundred years and says you're not."

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Yeah.

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Yeah. - Yeah, and I think that's the unfortunate cycle

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that we, like, especially with tech innovation,

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we seem to be trapped in.

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It's like we're recreating network television

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on streaming shit.

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Like by just walking around--

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- We finally figured it out by standing still,

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we've gone everywhere.

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- Right, yeah.

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- And like with ride share stuff,

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we're eventually recreating public transit.

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- Holy shit, how did we not think of this?

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A bus could carry all these people at once.

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- Right, and it just feels really fucking sad.

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And that's what this feels like to be a lot of ways.

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But I do, I mean, I relate to the desire

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to go to the woods.

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- I ask you this question.

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Has anybody said Tucker's name backwards

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three times to his face?

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Do you think he disappears?

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'Cause I feel like he does.

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After I heard that--

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- That laugh.

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- Yeah, I was like, maybe that's what we're missing.

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And nobody expects it because nobody's like,

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oh, fairies are real, but he is, right?

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That's how we get rid of him.

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- Maybe that was part of the demon attack.

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That could have fit. Yeah. Maybe someone said his name backwards

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three times. Arthur Conan Doyle saw Tucker Carlson and that's why

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who Dean he hated him. That's the truth.

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So, uh, someone else who's hated. Yeah. Tim Walz.

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Yeah, but I guess for a reason. He was really behind why Andrew

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had to leave Minnesota.

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Is he?

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He made it intolerable.

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Brutal.

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It was, you know, after the 2022 election where the Democrats took control of the state

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Senate finally and Tim Walz could do whatever he wanted to do. The first thing he passed was in the wake of the Dov's decision. Full abortion

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allowance, even up to birth, there were the stories during the election about even post-birth

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abortions that took place in Minnesota. I went to the state Capitol and spoke to the

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first committee when that bill was being heard. And maybe later your guys can pull up that video,

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but I just went there and said,

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"Hey, you think you won an election,

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you think you can do this and just murder children,

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but God is not mocked.

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Like he's going to come with vengeance about what you're doing."

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Do you mean, "Timey Dick God"?

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Yeah, like all these 60 you know, 60 year old liberal ladies senators are looking at me

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scoffing at me and just staring daggers at me and hating what I'm saying. How dare he

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cut this. There are lots of nationalists. Lots of luck to them. Good luck. So this isn't

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true. For one thing, it's completely false that Tim Walz made it legal to kill babies

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after they're born in Minnesota.

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It would be very strange for me to do.

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However, I do have to give Andrew credit, and there is some truth to what he's saying,

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and that is that the first bill the Minnesota State Senate passed in their 2023 session

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was SF1, the Protect Reproductive Options Act.

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This bill just states that Minnesotans have a fundamental right to use or refuse reproductive healthcare and that lower government bodies were prohibited from making any more restrictive rules than what the state had set for.

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Andrew is fucking lying about this and as I recall that's a sin.

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So he should probably pray about it.

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I feel like you're mocking God, buddy.

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I know I'm mocking him.

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No, he is, he's a God's representative. So to like you're mocking God buddy. I know I'm mocking him. No, he is

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he's a god's representative so to mock him is to mock God. This is like somebody saying

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that maybe these plots of land are a scam. How dare you? How dare you? Get the behind

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me and buy a plot of land over there. Right. I did actually look at some of the land. - Yeah. (laughing)

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- What?

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At the end of the day, we're both like,

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well, I mean, yeah, but the taxes are so low.

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You can't not live there.

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- Honestly, there was a small part of me that's like,

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all right, y'all want this?

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I'll come, like, I wanna live in the woods.

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I'll come be a pain in the ass to you.

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You literally cannot refuse to accept

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Against the law it is against the law

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But I was at that's not worth it fucking headache

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Set up a big kafulu statue in the middle of there

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Dan Freezin why are you doing this because I'm kind of an asshole. Yeah, I was bored. I was boy

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So doing this podcast and a stray episode.

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Shit got out of hand.

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That's what's happening here.

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This is what happens with things get out of hand.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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So that was the first bill.

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Yes.

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And then there was a second bill that was like,

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I really, really got to get out of here.

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Amazing.

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And this is nuts.

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The second bill that they passed in,

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these are the first two legislative priorities that they had. The second one was a trans trans rights bill which

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allowed the state to take your child out of out of their custody or your

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parents custody. Sounds true. If you oppose probably shouldn't ask any more

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questions. And my my oldest child is 12 my inner child my inner child

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Yeah, my oldest son. He's 12 years old

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He has autism

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We homeschooled all the rest of our children, but we don't have the the resources to be able to

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To educate him with his autism and so he goes to who helps you and I'm well aware

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Especially if you see the things that happened in 2020, 2021, all of the

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activism, trans stuff in the schools, all the lives of TikTok kind of stuff, that the majority

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of trans children are on the autism spectrum. These children are targeted. And I'm thinking,

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okay, he doesn't talk about school, he doesn't talk about school.

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He doesn't talk about home at school.

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He, he categorizes all of his life.

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He just won't do it.

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So I would have no way of knowing like what is going on there.

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They could be putting him in a dress and calling him a girl name.

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And I would have no idea.

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And then when I find out and I oppose it, right?

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Boom.

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CPS comes, takes him out of our custody

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He's gone there you go and they can so that's we can go Randy Weaver at that point

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Yeah, for sure and you don't want to go Randy. We know like it didn't end well for Andy Weaver

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No, just don't for anybody. No take it off the table. Yeah, I don't want to go down that road

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I don't don't make the road exist and so it's like we need to we need to get out of here

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There's no road not trust the you know the whole system. So it's like we need to we need to get out of here. There's no room not trust the

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The whole system. Yeah, so I have

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Pulled up the Senate's files sure from that session. Yeah, where there was the

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Reproductive healthcare bill. That was the first bill that got passed. Yeah, and the second bill they passed was SF 2

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Which made allocations. How do you know it was the second bill they passed? The number two. All right.

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All right. And the date time stamps and everything. All right.

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Okay. I'm just checking. I got to ask these questions to follow

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rate of record. Now, okay. This was a bill that made allocations

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for the paid family and medical leave insurance program. So I

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guess he's sending again by lying. Well, I mean, two is a very subjective number.

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Sure.

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So there were a number of other bills like child tax credits, price gouging,

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prohibitions, and down payment assistance funds for first-generation homebuyers.

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But if you keep going down, SF23 addresses prohibiting conversion therapy with children

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and vulnerable adults.

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Conversion therapy is cruel and I feel like it's on par with psychological torture, so

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prohibiting it is a good idea by my account.

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However, this bill doesn't even prohibit conversion therapy.

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All it does is prohibit licensed medical practitioners and mental health professionals from engaging

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in it and it prohibits payment for conversion therapy to be covered by medical assistance

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programs.

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Okay.

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It's not illegal to subject your kids to this kind of treatment, but Minnesota regulates

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medical licensing and the state Senate is of the opinion that it's not professionally

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appropriate for doctors to do that shit.

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Hmm.

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For the sake of completeness, the bill also prohibits people from advertising conversion

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therapy services that quote, use or employ any fraud,

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false pretense, false promise, false guarantee, misrepresentation, false or misleading statements,

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or deceptive practice by advertising or otherwise offering conversion therapy services that could

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be reasonably interpreted or inferred as representing homosexuality as a mental disease disorder or

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illness, or guarantee to change an individual's sexual orientation

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or gender identity.

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- Sure.

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- This one's really about consumer protections,

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and it was amending language in a completely separate part

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of the Minnesota state code that had to do with fraud

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and advertising.

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- Yeah.

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- Nothing about this even comes close to involving

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child protective services.

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But the way Andrew was telling this story is fascinating. He's terrified of something that he's made up in his head, the possibility that his fears

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could be true, and it's giving him so much pain that he needs to flee from society in

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order to alleviate that fear.

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He has no reason to think anyone at his school is trying to influence his kid at all.

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He has no reason to think that nothing has happened.

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It is all in his head.

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This also just doesn't make sense.

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Like he has a bunch of kids

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and he can afford to homeschool all but one of them.

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So that one has to go to public school.

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How does it become more affordable to homeschool this kid

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when you pack up your family and take out a mortgage

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on a plot of land and set out to build a church?

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Moving to Tennessee doesn't sound like a solution to any of the problems that Andrew

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pretends to be struggling with.

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Well, if I understand correctly, I believe his point is that because the child has autism,

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he does not have the resources to educate a child with autism.

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But he will in the woods.

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It takes advantage of the publicly available, oh, he probably shouldn't be okay with that at all, right?

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- Well, he clearly isn't.

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- Yeah, yeah, it seems like, yeah.

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- He's not at peace with this.

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- I mean, it is like,

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he has, it's not like he's made it up by himself, you know?

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Like these--

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- The libs of TikTok stuff clearly plays an influence.

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- Even the way you describe that too of like,

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oh, this stuff could happen,

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you know, the lives of TikTok stuff.

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- Mm-hmm.

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- Like you're describing a thing that you could go to.

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- Yeah.

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- And talk to the people and listen to the people.

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- Yeah, you're describing falling into a hysteria.

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- Right, but through the lens of somebody

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who is absolutely nowhere near this place like you live there

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Yep, just go just go talk to them and be like hey are you gonna do this no cool?

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You live in a fairly small town

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How about this ask them to write something right out if you if I put my your kid in a dress

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Then I won't take them away from you and then sign it there's

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Then I won't take them away from you and then sign it. There's 400 kids that go to the school in his town.

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Like it's not a big school.

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Insane.

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Yeah.

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This is insane behavior.

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So I'm not a psychologist, but it feels like Anders Kidd going to public school represents

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a loss of control that he feels over his child and that feeling was entirely intolerable

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for him.

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His mind was just a swirling, massive dumb shit he saw on social media that he was supposed

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to be afraid of and a lot of that has been about demonizing trans people for the last

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few years.

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That's been a huge piece of right wing media.

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Yup, libs a TikTok shit.

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It kinda feels like Andrew felt that strain of impending individuation that his kid was

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gonna experience out in the real world and he couldn't handle it.

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And what better way to swing the pendulum back the other direction really hard than by

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taking your family out to the woods to start a Christian nationalist compound that's totally

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not Randy Weaver like.

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Although it is called Ridge Runner, Ruby Ridge, a little close.

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And we've referenced Randy Weaver as being an option.

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You don't want to go that.

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We don't want to go.. We don't want to go

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Nobody wants that option. So we're not going to take it off the table. Yeah, that would be crazy

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Yeah, we always need to be able to go Weaver. Yeah, well

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I mean it's just something that is inevitable at a certain point like but then just go for Weaver now

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Yeah, just go do it. So

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I think that

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His reasoning for leaving doesn't make sense.

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No.

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Tim Walz did not make baby killing legal.

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Probably not.

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And that bill that has to do with state funding and licensing of people who engage in conversion therapy has nothing to do with CPS coming and taking his kids away.

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Yeah.

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So that's all kind of dumb. - I mean, the irony of that is that the law

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that they wrote is explicitly about not being able

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to kidnap your children and torture them

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into saying the things you want to hear.

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And that is what he interprets as them wanting

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to kidnap his children.

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- Well, it all makes sense.

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- Makes perfect sense to me.

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- And like he's just afraid

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that they're gonna come and snatch snatch his kid. Of course. They

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could steal him from us. This could happen. I don't want to be the as opposed to kidnapping

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him because we paid. I don't want to go through the legal battles and do all those fights.

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I want my son. I don't I don't want to live in a place where that's even conceivable that

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that could happen to you. It's insane. And so it was at that moment, I'm like, we need to get out of this state.

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This is not a place where I can raise my children.

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And I'm thinking like long term, right?

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Yeah, we've been in this place for six generations,

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but it's a wonderful town, you know, amazing place.

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I mean, it's home.

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I love the people there.

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And many of them are going to be watching this.

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And you must know all of them from my youth. Small town, six generations.

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A lot of the same last name. And children hated when I would go to the store because it would take

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an hour to get a thing of milk because I'd just stop and talk to people I've known my whole life.

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Oh, I love that. And it's wonderful play.

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Like it's hard to leave that, right?

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Because it's, you know it.

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You're familiar with everything and all the people and just the way of life.

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Oh, I love that.

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So which is it?

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Are the teachers at your kid's school secretly trying to turn him trans or do you know everyone

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in your town and they're all so wonderful?

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Right.

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Seems like it's not possible for both of these things to be true

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It would be very difficult for that to be true

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Andrew said that he's from Wasica

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Which is a town of about 9,200 people with one elementary school that has about 400 students at it

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This can't be a wonderful town that he's so sad to leave and he stops and talks to everybody

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But also one where the schools are indoctrinating all the kids. Yeah,. - This is fucking stupid. - Yeah. - This isn't the faculty.

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- No, that's not how it works. - That movie was starring Usher.

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- I thought Elijah Wood was in that one.

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- He might be. I think it was Devin Sawa maybe.

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Might have been around that time.

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- I think that's a hard net vehicle.

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- Josh Jackson maybe.

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- Josh Jackson. - Hmm.

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- We got a lot of names. - All right.

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- I'm only sure of Usher.

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Understood correctly.

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What Andrew is saying is that Wasika was a wonderful town and the people there were

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really nice.

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His family had lived there for six generations, but when he sent his kid to public school,

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he got so freaked out that he had to start a church in the woods.

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What I'm saying is that based on his telling of the story, I don't think a lot of this

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has anything to do with his son.

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This is all about Andrew. And now because it's fun, I looked up the lunch menu at that school in Wasika.

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Fine. And I wanted to get your order. Do you mean the lunch menu that turns you gay?

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It might. Yeah. So I actually have to get your order. Okay. For the there's some options.

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There are not options. There are. What? What did this happen?

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I don't know. I mean, I assume some of it has to do

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with like maybe dietary restrictions or something.

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- Oh, okay, that's fair.

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I didn't have that growing up.

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- There's no school today.

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School today.

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- Okay, so I can't have anything today.

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- Yeah, but last Thursday, you could get chicken strips.

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- Okay.

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- Or hot dog on a bun, which way are you going?

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- School wise?

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You always go with the chicken strips.

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You can't trust the hot dog in a bun from a school?

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- Yeah, yeah, I think I'm with you.

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- Yeah. - And I think I would want

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two hot dogs if I'm gonna have a hot dog as an entree.

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- I'm on your team there. - Yeah.

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- One hot dog is not enough. - Not enough.

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- Not enough. - Yeah, but that--

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- We're from Chicago, though. - What if you--

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- What if you get fucked over, though,

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and you only get like two chicken strips?

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That's not enough either.

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- Yeah, but two chicken strips is something you can handle. One hot dog makes you thirst

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for another hot dog. They also have sides and stuff. So the sides are all pretty uniform.

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All right. All right. This is just the main is really what you're to choice over. I got

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you. So on Friday, the choice is where cheese case adia or sloppy Joe. Oh, you know what?

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There is a nostalgic part of me that says sloppy Joe,

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but then there's the part of me

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that has a clear-eyed memory that says,

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avoid the sloppy Joe at all costs.

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And so that is what I'm gonna do.

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I'm gonna go with the cheesecake idea.

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- Okay, I'm gonna go with sloppy Joe.

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- You're gonna go sloppy Joe?

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- Yeah.

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- You're gonna make a mistake.

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- Well, I feel like when you have a chance

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to do a Hail Mary, you do it.

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And if you, you know, the legend lives on if you catch it.

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- If you catch fire, you catch fire.

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- Yeah.

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So these are all like kind of normal and that makes sense.

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But then this Tuesday, just a couple days ago,

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the options.

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- Okay.

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- Crazy.

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- All right.

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- Shrimp poppers.

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- What?

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- Or quote unquote yogurt basket.

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I don't even know what that is.

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- I am confused as to why not even just name it mystery box.

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Right?

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I guess yogurt basket is slightly more descriptive,

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but ultimately I think it's the same.

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- I think if you just said yogurt, it would make sense.

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- That would make sense.

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- What does the basket have to do with it?

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- It introduces question. - Yeah, absolutely. - Yeah, but sense. - What does the best could have to do with it? - It introduces questions.

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- Yeah, absolutely.

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- Yeah, but you're gonna take that or shrimp poppers.

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(laughing)

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- I mean, I don't know, yogurt by itself is already

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like practically expired, so you can't go super bad

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with yogurt, right?

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Or is that how it works?

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I have no idea.

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- It's not.

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- Okay, well, then I guess I'll go with yogurt anyways.

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- I'm gonna go with yogurt too.

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I think it's gonna be an unsatisfying meal, but there's no fucking way. I'm trusting shrimp probably

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Unreasonable yeah, I'm not taking seafood

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I mean I guess if you're Minnesota no no midwest seafood at school. There's no shrimp that your ice fish

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Absolutely, there are no shrimps. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. There are no trips. - Yeah.

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- So anyway, that was fun.

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Back to these dumb assholes.

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- Great.

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Why do you think, so that the three,

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I mean, I have my own theories,

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but you've lived it much more personally than I have.

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- How is it, Hesse?

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- You tell me, why do you think states like Minnesota,

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Oregon, Washington, California,

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have gone to a place that that I think by any objective global

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standard, there's no country in the world that would not and say that's okay except

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maybe the UK.

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Yeah.

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How did they get there?

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I think, I mean, for all of them, the political power was captured by the left, political

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and cultural power. I mean, I went to

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- When? - in Minnesota in the early 2000s. And you can see the seeds of all of these

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things, right, beginning to form. And so all of the institutions were captured, and especially

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culturally in Minnesota, people are very nice, right? It's not a it's not a it's not a nice very real and

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Right the ethos is if you don't have anything nice to say right don't say anything at all

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Which I just swim completely against that tide

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Not to point to genix, but it's real. It's yeah Germans. It's Scandinavian Norwegians good stuff. Good stuff

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Good start. It's like these are these are non-confrontational people. You, gentle.

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Hey.

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Yeah, they're very kind.

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People that are, to a fault, unwilling to give a fence.

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Yes.

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And very, very tolerant of other people.

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Yes.

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And it's still in half the land on the earth.

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Right.

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So you can have--

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Do they take our best qualities and subvert them

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against us?

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Still in the land on the earth.

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So it's pretty hard to be more explicit than that

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All of these Nordic groups that Tucker considers white are gentle inherently decent people just have that decency used against them

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Still have the land on the earth is a very old white supremacist talking point

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There's literally zero chance the Tucker doesn't understand exactly what he's doing cannot what he's

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He's slippery sloping whatever audience he has

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to the much faster slippery slope that Andrew represents.

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- Ethnic essentialism, if you will.

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- Yeah, baby.

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- But hey, we don't wanna talk about that.

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- That's not important.

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That's slippery slope number four.

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- Yeah.

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- We're explicitly at regular slippery right now.

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- Right, and then we'll get down to Sabbath laws.

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- Oh, Sabbath laws are gonna be a real bitch. if you're starting up here at the top of the slope

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You're really gonna be pissed off Scandinavians are cool

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Quick ride takes you all the way down to I can't wear what ever mmm crazy

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So yeah, man

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Why people are just too cool

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I've I've often thought that. - Yeah.

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- Now, tolerant, some might say,

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to the level of defenslessness.

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- You know what? Here's what I'll say.

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I'll say too cool to have, period.

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Let's get him out of here.

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Get out of here!

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- Tucker talks here a little bit

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about the defenslessness of tolerance.

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- No, it does.

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I mean, I come from a family with some of them have strong views,

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but they would never impose their views on you under any circumstances.

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They're just, it's not in them.

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It's a very specific Northern European culture where they just don't want to.

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Don't want to get in your face.

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Never, but it leaves them defenseless.

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Yes.

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I think.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And, you know, I mean mean maybe I'm maybe I'm unique

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You know, maybe my personality type is is such that I just I can't do that

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I can't see like evil stuff happen is taking place and

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Not say something about it. Not this is this is insane like how how could we I mean just think a hundred years ago

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And that's that's sort of you know my

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book is right if you go back a hundred years and you think about your your great great grandfather

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and you told him hey there they're gonna take little kids and little boys and remove their genitals

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and turn them into girls right are you okay with that you think that's that's all right like what

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would they do if that was even proposed like they thought

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Dynasty, that's right when we have that yeah, we're bringing that back and they would they would they would they would fight

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They become violent if that were happening and and we're like well

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You know I I really want to keep my job. So I'll put the I'll put the pronouns in my email signature and on my LinkedIn.

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You know, I'll just use.

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Did you hear that at the end there, Tucker? I have contempt for them.

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Yep. Dark. Yep. Yep.

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So I get the point that Andrew is trying to make about culture shock, but this whole go back 100 years thing is fucking hacky.

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Go back to 1925 and explain your love of Elon Musk without referencing space rockets electric cars memes ketamine or social media

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See how well you can explain all that dumb shit

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Yeah, so a fun exercise might be to go back to

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1925 and see if your definition of white bears any resemblance to your great-grandfathers

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They might have different answers about which groups are included.

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No, ironically, Tucker brought up the fins. And this dude is from Minnesota. So it's worth

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mentioning the 1907 Finnish immigrant labor strike on the Oliver Iron Mine company. About

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16,000 workers struck for went demands for better working conditions in the mines were

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ignored. And that went on for about two months before strike breakers were brought in in order to squash shit.

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This was one of the early instances of a large scale organized strike and it shook the bosses a

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little bit in terms of anti-finn sentiment that began to be disseminated out into the public.

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Smart. Motivated largely from resentment over their involvement in union organizer right from a Minnesota public radio article

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Quote after the 1907 strike they tried to make the Finns be seen as Asians

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There was an Asian exclusion act and if the Finns could be seen as Asians they could get kicked out of the country

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Mmm the next year a group of Finnish immigrants were attempting to become naturalized citizens

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Which was something that was only available to white immigrants.

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Sure.

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It was argued that the Finns were Mongolians, so they didn't apply.

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I like that.

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I like that.

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But a judge ended up deciding that they were white enough.

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I like a judge being able to decide that.

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That's all of that is A+ stuff.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That didn't sway the public, though.

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And people from Finland were still routinely called China Swedes

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in Minnesota after this.

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(laughing)

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It was a real thing.

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(laughing)

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- I'm sorry, I'm sorry, but sometimes,

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sometimes listen, all racism fundamentally is ridiculous.

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It's nonsensical in its childish behavior,

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but sometimes whenever they get too far childish

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where you're like, come on, you gotta know

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that China Swedes doesn't make any goddamn sense.

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- It makes enough sense. - Come on!

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- It makes enough sense for, you know,

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demonizing and mobilizing the population

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against these people who are involved

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in trying to get workers rights.

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- You know, it's so strange how regularly you can go back

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and you can look at rich people

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who are suddenly fomenting racial violence. - Yeah. - Isn't that crazy? - It's weird. - It's so strange how regularly you can go back and you can look at rich people who are suddenly fomenting racial violence

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Yeah, isn't that crazy? It's weird. It's crazy. So yeah, maybe your great grandfather might think that trans people are weird

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But he might might also be really confused by Tucker talking so highly of these dirty fins. Mmm time

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It's tricky that way time as a bitch. Don't go back. Yeah, I don't think I don't think you're making any kind of real valid point with

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Hey, the things of today would confuse the people of the past

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Precisely yeah, nobody should go back nobody even if you think you're going back to meet your progressive hero

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Don't don't go back. They're shit that you don't know at best. It's gonna be confusing. Yeah, so

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Tucker Tucker talks a little bit about how maybe all these people who have different

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opinions than him are into the devil.

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That sounds true.

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So my theory is that those are the most secular states.

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Yeah.

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And Maine is another one of the most secular states, unfortunately, and those trends are

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rising there as well.

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To Tennessee.

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And there's something about that, you know, lots of left wing ideas that are liberal ideas

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or socialist ideas that like,

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why don't disagree with all of them, honestly,

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but some of them I did, a lot of them I'd really disagree with.

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- Yeah.

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- But the transgender thing, the abortion thing,

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human sacrifice and turning your children to eunuchs,

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those are so clearly expressions of cultish religion,

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of pagan religion, that like, I can't turn away.

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I'm like, the Canaanites did this.

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I know what's going on here.

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This is not, you claim you're secular,

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you're not secular at all.

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These are religious rituals.

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That's the way it feels to me.

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Yes, absolutely.

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So on one level, this is stupid, but on a deeper level,

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it's very stupid.

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Yeah. And it's also partially an act. Yeah, Tucker knows that no one supports access to reproductive health care because they love sacrificing babies.

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He knows that access to birth control and abortion have granted women a giant level of autonomy in their own lives. And he understands the people who advocate for reproductive health care support that end goal.

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the people who advocate for reproductive health care support that end goal.

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He strongly opposes that end goal and it's easier to pretend that he's fighting against child

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sacrifices than it is to argue against women being able to choose if they want to carry through a pregnancy at the expense of their

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education career, all sorts of other

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variables. Similarly, he knows that no one is trying to turn your kids' trans or gay. He's against people creating and accepting safe places for LGBTQ youth because he believes

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that if they're deprived of any validation, they'll be cis and hetero eventually, like

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God intended them to be.

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These are two particular hot button issues for him right now, and this is where the ACT

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part of this comes in.

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He's pretending like these two issues are the biggest concerns and obsessions of the

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leftists like it's a part of a demonic religion, but it is failing to take into consideration

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as his own part in this.

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The right wing media has chosen these two issues as huge rallying points for their politics,

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so they're attacking LGBTQ rights and access to reproductive health care super aggressively as a cornerstone of their ideology

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Their attacks are what is prompting people to stand up for these issues and Tucker understands that dynamic fully well

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He's just pretending not to yeah, Tucker and his ilk can play this game, but almost anything and it's super easy

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They can advocate for the rounding up and removal of immigrants who are here legally.

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And then when people are upset about it, he gets to pretend that these people are so weird.

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Isn't it suspicious how much they want to keep immigrants here? It must be up to something.

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It's probably because that they're secretly using them to win votes illegally.

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There's truly only one way to defeat this demonic cultish behavior.

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And that is to move to a religious work camp

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in the middle of nowhere, Tennessee.

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I think that's the only way to combat--

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- A Silicon Valley-aligned capital of venture funds.

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- Because you hate cultish behavior.

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'Cause you don't want any kind of cultish bullshit

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messing up your totally normal, sane, rational Yeah. Yeah, it's the only answer

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It's obvious to me

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So they get to talking about atheists sure those dumb dums. Yeah with their I don't know what up

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What else are they also guilty of in their world?

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They might not exist

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Tucker I like that Tucker does say at one point like,

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"Have you ever even met one?"

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- I love it.

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Great, good stuff.

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- But they're talking about the pillars

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of the atheist communities, like Christopher Hitchens.

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- I'm sorry, they've never met one,

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but also they know the pillars of the community.

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- In the past.

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- Okay.

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- They're used to be atheists, not anymore.

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- Okay. - 'Cause the demons and stuff. - Okay, no, you're right, you're right, you're right. community in the past okay they're used to be atheists anymore okay because the

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demons okay no you're right you're right you're right like today like James

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Lindsey is is one of the those types James Lindsey he's uh he is a this this

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atheist atheist guy that opposed wokeness and things like that but wants

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wants just a free liberal society. Like it's 1995.

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Yeah.

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- I'm all for a free liberal society.

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It's just that there isn't one,

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either you're moving quickly toward,

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I mean, I will never give up my views of,

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I will never stop being liberal on the most basic level,

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which I actually don't wanna control you or your beliefs

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because I don't think you're a slave.

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I think you're a human being because God made you. Absolutely. That's my view.

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Unless you're gay. I don't want to break down people's doors to make sure they're adhering to

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unless you're gay. I hate that. However, you're either moving toward order or you're moving toward

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chaos. You're moving toward, you know, a society rooted in some sort of transcendent belief or moving toward

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trainingism, which is another transcendent belief.

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It's like, you pick a religion.

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It's not whether but which.

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There will be one.

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That's part of it.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if people can hear themselves sometimes.

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I'm not convinced by Tucker's non-committal interest in liberalism that I think you very

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much would like to break down your door and tell you how to

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live. I mean not everybody's door but if you're doing something that he thinks is evil he's got to do something our

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whole society is going to be destroyed. Obviously he should have every reason to know that the person

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he's talking to is not a big fan of ideas like freedom or liberalism so he doesn't need to do this wishy

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washy bullshit. No. But I do think it's fun that he has to

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qualify every fucking statement that is like you know I believe that everybody should be

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able to live however they want however I mean I do I'm going backwards or forwards

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baby I do love a complete negation of any ideology whatsoever like hey listen I believe

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that people should be allowed to do what they're doing, but you're either moving towards order away from order. So in on that concept, I'm gonna get rid of all

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non-white people. Sorry, I don't want to tell anybody how to live, but you're moving towards

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order away from order and having all of those other people as away from orders are there's nothing

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I can do. Hey, I believe that everybody should have the right to live exactly how they want to live.

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People have self determinism and they have a right, a exactly how they want to live. People have self-determinism

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and they have a right, a fundamental right, as humans in order to choose their lifestyle.

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And also, I think that religious doctrine that I subscribe to should guide all public policy.

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You specifically? Yeah. Oh, but what if I don't?

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Good luck. I feel like you just negated the first part of your statement.

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Oh, did I?

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[LAUGHTER]

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I don't know.

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What you gonna do?

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Yeah.

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Did it squam?

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Yep.

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How about mad for some of the zen

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or the fuck?

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T-

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Backo pouches.

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[SIGHS]

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Isn't that a good time to smoke Sam?

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Yeah.

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So this atheism that happened had the unfortunate effect of ushering in demons that'll happen because Christianity went on a little bit of a decline

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And that left us open to demons. Is that how that works? I think so. Oh the new atheism all of those things have broke down

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You know Christian mare's and and and Christian, you know, just cultural Christianity that was

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and Christian, you know, just cultural Christianity that was imbued all throughout the American public life.

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Takes all of that down, but then there's a vacuum

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and that vacuum gets filled up.

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And what's it been filled up with

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insane stuff like this, child sacrifice.

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All of it. - Sounds true.

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- Like it is a new religion.

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It isn't a question of like,

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"Well, we're just gonna have pluralism

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"or we're not to have any dominant religion.

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No, there will be one. There will be a God that you serve.

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And the one that we are serving now is some kind of demon.

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Well, I think that so much better put than I could have formulated that.

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But yes, it's exactly perfectly put. Exactly. You're going to worship something.

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Yeah. And now we're worshiping something really, really dark as a society. But it's, it's particularly pronounced in the states that have abandoned

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Christianity the most aggressively and just come up with this new pagan religion. So it all makes

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sense really. Let me ask you a question. In this conception of religion andiality, if you will.

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Are we doing Highlander? Is that what's going on here?

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How?

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Well, I mean, there can be only one.

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Do we have gods fighting each other?

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Uh huh.

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Or are we always in a religious battle for dominance?

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Is the Bible and Christianity, which, yeah, yeah, yeah,

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all the things it says, but who cares?

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Is it about winning?

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- See, here's how I kind of look at it.

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- Mm-hmm.

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- I'm making up this metaphor as I go along,

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so forgive me if this doesn't--

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- I couldn't put it better than that.

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- Okay.

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(laughs)

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I think that the way you look at it is like,

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parents of teenagers.

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- Okay. - So the parents are God. - All right. - They own of teenagers. - Okay.

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- So the parents are God.

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- All right.

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- They own the house.

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- Sure.

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- They are going to get their way.

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- Under my house, under my rules.

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- Right.

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- Yeah.

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- But if the parents are away,

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like Christianity's on the decline,

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- Sure.

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- Those kids might have a party in the house.

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- That makes perfect sense.

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- That's the demons coming in.

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- That makes perfect sense.

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- Right.

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The demons taking control of the house.

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Right.

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Now they might run amok and destroy a bunch of shit in the house.

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Sure.

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But the parents still own the house.

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Right.

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And it's just a question of like, how much are they gonna mess up?

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Right.

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Like how much destruction are these demons gonna cause?

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They're not other gods.

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Right.

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Or anything.

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Right, right, right.

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Yeah.

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So I understand...

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I understand what metaphors go one way

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to explain something.

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What I don't understand is when metaphors go

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the opposite direction, you know,

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where you're like, no, you've made up a whole religion

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out of the metaphor and not the thing

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that you're trying to explain.

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You know what I'm saying?

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- Kind of, yeah. - Yeah.

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That's no good. - Nah, it's not.

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- Backwards thinking. - Yeah, that's no good. - Nah, it's not. - Backwards thinking.

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- Yeah, also, things aren't real.

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- I, well, sure.

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- Yeah.

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- I'm wondering, now, 'cause I've been,

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people have been very unhappy with me whenever I said,

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the book is very important.

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But--

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- Well, actually, that's--

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- That's my question here.

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Where is this coming from? - Well, but that, that's my question. Yeah. Where is this coming from? Well, but that you when

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you're talking about people getting mad at you about saying that the book is important,

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you're talking about people who believe themselves to be Christians, right, and don't believe certain

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things that are in the book, right in the Bible, right. And and one of the reasons that this guy

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stuck out to me as kind of interesting is because

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he has the same perspective as you.

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Yes, except for he puts things in the Bible that are not there, which I find interesting.

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Well, I think some of that could be a matter of interpretation of what he thinks some things

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in the Bible mean, which is a form of putting things into it.

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Yeah.

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I'm interested in which.

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Was it the letter to the Thessalonians

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where it was like, Hey, man, if you aren't constantly on this demons are wrecking your

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shit. And if there's an atheism rise, clearly that means that there's a concept commensurate

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demon rise along with everybody knows that. That's like that relates to Alex's idea of

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like the hedge of protection is kept up by prayer warriors or whatever the fuck. Right. Right. Right.

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So I, but he talks about that in this next clip where the, uh, how he's just going from the book.

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Sounds true. And so I felt like maybe this could win, win you over.

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Might.

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You know, overall, right?

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The people, you know, in, in Minnesota, right?

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They don't, they're not used to, kind of preaching that I do, the kind of Christianity

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that I have where it's like, I know I believe the Bible, like God is real and he has spoken,

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he's revealed himself to us in the Bible and therefore I believe all of it.

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And I'm not embarrassed by any of it.

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I'm not going to like tiptoe around the things that might be controversial

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I've if anything I'm gonna lean into those things and

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And like jeez said and that's that runs totally against the even jocal Christian ethos in America today

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It's really that it's it's all about you need to be nice. You need to, you know,

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make make Jesus very inoffensive to people. And that's how you bring people into your church.

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So I'll say I'm not an evangelical. Yeah. Always like the evangelicals that always defended them.

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I'm very sympathetic as an uneven. I'm not even exactly sure what an evangelical is. It seems

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like a cultural descriptor, but completely opposed to abortion.

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So that has been, for me, the reason that I've always defended them.

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But I always thought that the evangelicals were really forthright about their faith,

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another thing that I liked, and were way more on the kind of fire and brimstone side,

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which I'm for, by the way.

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But you're saying that they're not.

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Um, that, that was certainly, I, you, you look at like, you know, the 80s and even in the early 90s, like you have the moral majority where they very much were

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that kind of fire and brimstone and they've, they've been vindicated by

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everything that has happened.

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I say,

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that's hilarious.

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Lent is here.

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That's hilarious. Lent is here.

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[Laughter]

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My god!

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No, you're fucking with me.

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You're fucking with me.

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That is not real.

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That is unreal.

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That is too real.

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Yeah, there's an app for a prayer.

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That is fucking insane.

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That is insane on all of the levels

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that the book has ever spoken about.

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To do that, the double, the back,

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oh baby, that's like a--

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- But it's also like even like,

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like I agree with all of those motions

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that you just made and the words.

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- I feel like I just watched seven,

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I feel like I watched Tony Hawk hit the 720

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for the first time all over the 900

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Yes, that's what I was saying. Yeah, and it's like come on man. Seven. Oh, apologies apologies

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I was I was a this was back before the 900 with a number sure

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No, it does feel like you guys hit all of it. Yeah, hit all of it at the same five seconds

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Yeah, and it's somehow elevated even further by how bad the edit into the commercial is.

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Like it's clunky, it's unsophisticated, it's lazy,

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it doesn't care how on the nose it is.

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- It feels like Joel Schumacher directed it.

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Like this is Starship Troopers levels of like,

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we're being as obvious as we can

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about how this is insane. Yeah. Yeah.

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And I think that a prayer app, I don't know why you need it. Number one. And number two,

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it seems like it's a bad idea for the paranoid type of Christian that Tucker seems to have in

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his audience. Like you download this app and now the devil has a handy little list of all the real

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Christians. You know, next thing, you know, you're going to a FEMA camp, you know, like that's, Like you download this app and now the devil has a handy little list of all the real Christians

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You know next thing you know you're going to a FEMA camp, you know like that's yeah, this is stupid

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Why don't you get an app I?

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If you were going to like say that

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Whatever whomever was was proven right Jerry Falwell if you will I

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Can't imagine Rereading the left behind novels if they were set because again the left behind novels are set in the apocalypse

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Which could happen at any time and as we know did not happen at that time. No, so now we're we're wrestling with the concept of a biblical

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apocalypse happening concurrently with prayer apps

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It does not get more obvious

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Who's not getting who's getting left behind?

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Yeah, but I got the prayer app

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That was a trap. Sorry. Yeah

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- Sorry. - Right? - How could that not be a trap?

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- Hey, you got a prayer rep.

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I got all your information.

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I sold it to my Silicon Valley friends

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who own this compound in the middle of Kentucky.

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- The concept of a several thousand year old religion

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being like, well, obviously we need apps.

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- Yeah, amazing.

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- There's an app for that.

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- There's an app for it.

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- For your soul.

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You know what?

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I think that one of the essential things to about like the history of religion, like the

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Especially in Christianity. Yeah, the progression has been about access to the divine right not being kept in the priests

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Right, you know the the every one of these all 90 whatever of them

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Yeah, that's a huge part of Christian tradition.

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- Big deal.

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- And I think the idea of injecting an app

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into your relationship with God,

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as opposed to it being a direct one to one,

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I think that that's actually regressive.

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- It's about as far away as you can get.

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- Yes, but again, it's this melding

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of the religious fundamentalist ideology with tech bro bullshit.

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And I think that Tucker is right at this like weird crossroads.

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- Nailing it. - Of that.

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And I think that this episode is so illustrative

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of a lot of that.

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- If that's what we're witnessing,

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it does make everything make way more sense

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because if you don't see that those two because I mean before now

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I honestly didn't think it was possible for those two to overlap

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But clearly I am the fool. I don't think it's possible for them to overlap for long. That's probably a better. Yeah

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Yeah, I think that they're like a what is what is it?

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Fuck okay, so I was listening to

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That this guy Andrew's podcast. Yeah, and one was listening to that guy, Andrew, this podcast.

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Yeah.

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And one of the terms that really like stuck out to me that gets used a couple of times

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is they refer to groups that are with them as cobalidurants.

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Great.

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Yeah.

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And so like there's this idea of we're in this battle and like, yeah, I don't like

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these, these milk toast Christians or whatever,

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but they're cobalidurants against the devil.

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And so I think that they can think of Silicon Valley

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and venture capital firms and stuff like that

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as cobalidurants and vice versa.

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- Yeah.

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- And I don't think that that can last long Do you remember you remember when you were growing up and you

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And I assume everybody gets there, but maybe I'm wrong

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You know you're growing up in the church and everybody's talking to you and then you get to the question where you're like

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Okay, but what if you've never heard about Jesus?

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Do you still get to go to heaven or not and they all go like bad? You know whatever made up answer you want to give I?

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Like to imagine that 10 years from now. They're like "But what about people who don't have the app?"

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Do they still get to go to heaven?

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I use an Android.

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Oh no! The green bubble!

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The mark of the beast.

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Does God get the green bubble?

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The green bubble is the mark of the beast.

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Brutal.

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You have to have blue.

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I mean, sure.

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I don't know.

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Fine, Whatever. So something that I think is also pretty well

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illustrated by this episode is the way that this guy, his

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presentation is a lot of like, even Jellicles are soft.

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Yeah, they're weak. Yeah. They're they're like last year's

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model. Mm. Okay. I believe is is the way that he's trying to

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sell it. And I think it's because

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you want to get them insecure. Right. You want people who are like in that evangelical

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wave that got swept up in Trump fanaticism to like feel like, Oh, no, I gotta I gotta go

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farther. Right. Right. Right. Right - It's kind of a marketing tactic.

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- I gotta up my subscriptions.

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- Exactly.

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- In the same quality of belief.

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- Yeah, because I'm not a real cutco salesperson

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unless I have the big box.

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- Right, I need Jesus Plus.

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That's what we're talking about.

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- Yeah, so we talked about that a little bit.

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- Okay, but throughout the 90s and early 2000s,

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they really changed course, right?

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As the cultural trajectory is changing

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They they adopted you know very secret sensitive movement where it's like well people are what did you call it?

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Yeah, secret sensitive movement is mean it was it was right the big movement in even gelatinism in the 90s and early

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2000s where we're we're gonna we're gonna make it as easy as possible

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for people to come into the church and believe in Jesus.

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And so we're not gonna focus on things

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that might offend them,

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we're not gonna focus on sin and repentance

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and things like that.

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We're just come on in and have a good time

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and know that you're welcome here.

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We'll meet you halfway.

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Like that was more or less the...

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Why do you think they did that?

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I think, you know, a friend of mine, I think I could call him a friend.

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Aaron Ren, he's written about this like neutral world,

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or negative world, neutral world, positive world, where, you know,

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in the 70s and 80s,

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or negative world, neutral world, positive world, where, you know, in the 70s and 80s, uh, christianity is generally understood culturally as, as a positive thing, like if

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you said, oh, I go to church, I'm a christian, I go to that church, people think, oh, that's

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a good guy. He's, he's an upstanding, decent person. Uh, but by the, by the mid 90s, it

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was, it was sort of neutral, right? It was sort of, uh, well, that's just a cool thing

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that you do, right?

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Just like collecting stamps or building model trains or being part of the Lions Club.

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But by the, you know, by the Obama years, by like 2015, you're in negative world, where

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if you're an evangelical Christian, you are suspect, you're probably a Nazi, you're probably

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a bigot, you're probably a white supremacist.

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Well, if's the attitude that you do.

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If the shoe posh is to state for the one millionth time, the Nazis were not Christians.

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They were not Christians.

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But they loved to throw those things around it.

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Nazi's or Christians knew.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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More Christians were killed by the Nazis in any other group, just a fact. So anyway,

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no, the Nazis were not Christians. I said, oh yeah, I had to say that. Good to make,

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you know, because I'll clip this and say, yeah, oh, any riskers saying that the Christians

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are Nazis. Yikes. So I think that the evangelical church took on some of that more accepting

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attitude for the same reason, like that the Catholic Church eased up a little bit in the 70s.

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Attendance was down, so they were willing to make a deal.

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There's probably a bit of a burnout in the wake of the satanic panic, apprehending literally

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zero demons, and the church probably felt the need to be a little more positive and

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more inclusive, or else people weren't going to show up, and that means no tithes.

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It's a good marketing strategy

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to be a little bit more welcoming.

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Like, yeah, Starbucks had sofas.

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- Yeah, yeah, I mean, 'cause during the Inquisition,

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you know, you caught just about everybody,

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'cause you just made it up, right?

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But then during the satanic panic,

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you can't just catch people.

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It's not the 1600s anymore. They did try. - Yeah. - They did try. - And the reason that it wasn't as effective is ', you can't just catch people. It's not the 1600s anymore.

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- They did try. - Yeah.

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- They did try.

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- And the reason that it wasn't as effective

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is 'cause you couldn't just--

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- You can't just grab people.

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- It's all the long stuff and all that.

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Yeah, it didn't work as well.

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- It's a lot easier to get confessions out of people

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when you can torture them.

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It just is. - You bet.

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- It's crazy.

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- And I think that that sort of image rehab

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is something that the church felt the need to go through.

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Sure, sure.

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And like getting with the times because otherwise people were just gonna gravitate away from it.

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Isn't it a nice little up and down further and closer away from the Inquisition?

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That's just the story of religion.

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Yeah.

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So it's a little strange how Tucker will scream about how it's wrong for people to say that the Nazis were Christians.

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But I wonder if he devotes as much energy to reb for people to say that the Nazis were Christians.

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But I wonder if he devotes as much energy to rebutting the claim that like Nazis are

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socialists, which is constant in this world.

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When Tucker says that more Christians were killed by Nazis than any other group, he's

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including people like Soviet soldiers.

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Oh yeah, obviously.

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This kind of framing is something that you see a lot with crypto neo-Nazi types because

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it's meant to dilute the audience's image of what the Holocaust was.

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Christians were the real victims, you see?

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He knows exactly what he's doing.

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You wouldn't deploy this kind of rhetoric unless you're really trying to, uh,

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trying to encourage a certain way of thinking.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I'm a big fan of numerical-based genocide arguments. Like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, like, no, no, no, no, no.

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I know that he specifically intended to do that one, but the rest of it, that's more

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people.

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So it doesn't count.

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The Nazis killed more Christians.

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You don't see us complaining about it.

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I say as I complain.

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Absolutely.

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While discussing the JQ completely unironically, you seem cool.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Not confused Nazis at all.

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- Yeah.

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- I don't think it's confusion.

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- Wow, that's fair.

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- I agree with you in the sense that

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they don't believe they're confused.

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- Yes.

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- But I do think that the brain can't process

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all of this information without spectacular confusion.

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- Yeah.

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- But I think that this, you know, this guy has some

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points like in terms of his understanding of some dynamics of Christianity in the church.

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Sure. Like I don't think he's wrong. I think that there was a softening of Christianity,

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especially evangelical Christianity over this time period that he's talking about.

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And then I think that the brand became pretty bad

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through the Iraq war.

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And into Tea Party, Obama years,

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like I think that it did become more toxic

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and being a part of the evangelical church

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went from maybe a positive way back to a neutral

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to a negative.

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People were a little bit sus on it.

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So I don't wanna, you know, I listen to a neutral to a negative people were a little bit sus on it So I don't want to I you know

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I listen to a lot of people who are just like all you're saying is detached from any semblance of reality

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Yeah, and at least that kind of like yeah

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That thought makes sense. Hey, you know, I wonder I wonder how much that means anything to me

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Probably not not in not in the sense that I'm saying that.

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I mean more like they soften their image,

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but the fundamental has remained the same, obviously,

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because here we are, right?

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- Well, like there was a deliberate softening of the image

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that is identical to his slippery slope plan.

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- Right. - So would you describe it as an actual softening that is identical to his slippery slope plan.

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So would you describe it as an actual softening

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or as a bullshittery?

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- I think that it's like,

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well, I don't wanna call it like a disease

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because I don't know if I wanna--

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- Geertree?

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- It's a disease that went dormant then.

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- Sure, okay.

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- Like it's like the John Birch Society

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in conservative politics. - Right.

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- You know, like it didn't actually go away.

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It went dormant and then resurged.

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- Right.

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- The softening of the image was on top.

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Maybe the whole thing wasn't like this.

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- Right.

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- Like this wasn't what Christianity was the whole time.

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Sure.

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As the image was softening.

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Sure.

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Uh, but the potential for this to research was there.

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Is it?

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Because here's about because I truly believe this.

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It is incumbent upon these people to then admit that they were lying, right?

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You think, which is a sin.

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I mean, it seems like it's one of the things

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that they should really have to repent for.

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- Yeah.

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- 'Cause that's what they believe.

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- Yeah, but that was before.

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- That's a good point.

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God doesn't have continuity.

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- Time ain't real, baby.

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- Yeah, that's fair.

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- So he talks a little bit more about this,

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the softening of evangelical Christianity.

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- Sure.

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- So Tim Keller is in New York City and he tries to adapt Christianity to your upper middle

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class, you know, strive for people in New York City, or to make it easy for them to come

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to church.

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So he wouldn't ever talk about homosexuality or if he did,

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it would be, well, that's not so good for human flourishing, but we're not really going

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to talk about that too much. There's the former president of the Southern Baptist Convention,

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J.D. Greer, famously said in a sermon, well, the Bible just whispers about sexual sin, but it shouts about financial sin or greed.

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So they want to downplay-

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What's shouts about both of them?

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It does.

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And the two are connected.

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Right?

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If you're greedy for money, you're also going to be lusting after the flesh.

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Like the two go hand in hand.

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But it's to downplay things that the culture does not want to hear, right?

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Because you'll be branded as a bigot, as intolerant, as a bad person if you're just like, "Well,

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this is what the Bible says." You know, fornicators, adulterers, automates, they will

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not inherit the kingdom of God. Right? If you say, "Yes, I agree with that," well,

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we are a bad person. you are outside of polite society

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if you say those things and you can reject it. You can reject Christianity itself. And you're certainly welcome to in this country and all countries actually.

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But well, it doesn't just say this parenthetically. No, it's like included in a sidebar. It says it again and again and again.

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And the church I grew up and they're like well they're only four times where

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You know in the scriptures where people you know where Christian were almost at all these attacked

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And it's like since don't ever read it. Yeah, my church. No

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Like I finally read it. What the hell when I read it and I did and

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And I've never been

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Anti-gay or anything like that.

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But by the end, I was like, "Oh, there's a really clear message from the Hebrew scriptures

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all the way through the Christian to the New Testament."

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And again and again, answer-

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Is that what you call it?

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You know, again, you don't have to believe it, but if you're a believing Christian, it's

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not whispered at all.

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Yeah, you do have to believe it if you're a Christian.

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Exactly.

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If you claim that you, that this is the Bible that God spoke this, right?

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And yeah, so, yeah, I guess the temperature is, is shifting over to this.

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I can see that.

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I feel like, uh, years ago when we were doing this podcast, it was like, hey, it's very clear that attacks

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on trans people are going on in an effort to push towards the same sort of treatment

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being given to anybody. Yeah. Any gay person.

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No, everybody listened. Well, I think a lot of people were very keenly aware of this and you

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know you had dipshits like Tucker and Alex being like no no no it's totally

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different. I'm totally cool with gay people. Except I'm lying. Well I mean it is

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it is something that I think I don't think it's unreasonable.

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And in fact, I think it was very reasonable for people

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to behave within that time period,

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as though they were talking to people in good faith.

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- Yeah.

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- And so if I were talking to them and I said,

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don't do that, it's a slippery slope towards them being like,

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we're Nazis now, then they could be like,

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no, that's unreasonable, I'm gonna take them at face value, right?

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But now you can't, you can't do that.

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It's on you now to say that they are a slippery slope machine

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that makes slippery slopes as argument factories.

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Yeah, that's what they do.

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- Yeah, yeah, and that's one of the things

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that I found most interesting about this fella

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is that I think he is a little

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more good faith in some ways that a lot of the people that I generally listen to.

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I agree.

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But he is also still deeply manipulative and trying to slippery slope things.

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And it's such a different sort of balance of that. - Yeah.

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- Tucker is deeply, deeply bad thing.

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- Yeah, absolutely.

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- In everything that he's doing here.

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- Absolutely.

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- And everything that he does on his show in general.

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- Yeah.

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- But yeah, I don't know.

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This guy's weird.

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- It's wild.

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- Yeah.

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I hope he has good time in the woods.

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- I mean, I listen, as somebody who grew up

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we're in a place of people doing basically that.

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Not gonna work, not gonna work, doesn't last.

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- So again, this like, I love liberalism, but it's the same

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thing he's doing here, like I was never against gay people,

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but it's very fucking clear from the Bible

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that in order to be Christian, you must stamp this out.

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Or else it's part of society going backwards.

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Totally.

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I'm totally fine with everybody making their own choices, except I get to determine what

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women wear when they go outside, and they can't be anywhere near another man without me next

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to him.

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That's, that's very reasonable.

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Is everybody's free?

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And Jewish people gotta go.

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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I don't even know what that word means. Yeah. Yeah. So they talk a little bit about atheism

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some more. Tucker tells not any specific stories, but reflects on getting drunk with Christopher

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Hichand's fun. And then, and then suggests that you can't really be atheist.

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Fair. Just to go back to the atheist for a second

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What do they make of this like it just I understand certainly understand being agnostic like I don't know

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You know I get it. Yeah, I can see why someone would have that view for sure. Yeah

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I think that's a pretty normal, you know place to be I think it's wrong

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But I don't think it's crazy. Yeah, but to be an atheist to have determined

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That there is no god like what do you make

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of the things you see around you?

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If you never hold someone's hand while he dies,

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like what do you think that is?

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- Yeah.

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- You never felt anything that is clearly outside

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of what science describes?

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Like, how determined are you to ignore your life

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that you become an atheist? Like what is that? I don't know.

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I think it's important to hear clips like this to have a reminder that Tucker has to think

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he's talking to idiots. His big slam dunk on atheists is haven't you ever felt something

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that seems like it's outside of science? One of the reasons this is so dumb is because

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Tucker isn't a brain scientist and he can't honestly answer the question

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Have you ever experienced something that science definitely can't explain?

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Because he has no idea. Have you not seen the lightning?

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It comes from the sky and it's made of magic. What are you talking about as long as you know nothing about science?

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Science can't explain anything. When is this ever not applicable?

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At what point in human history have you ever been, haven't you ever seen The Sky?

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Yeah. Like what are you talking about?

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I definitely am 100% on board that there's some things that science can't explain as we understand it.

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Yeah.

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That doesn't mean that the explanation eventually won't be available.

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The thing science can't explain fuck me up.

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I don't like any of that shit.

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- 'Cause like a whole lot of like really mystical shit

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and stuff that feels like entirely otherworldly

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and can be explained by some pretty simple chemicals

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that we just don't care to learn about that much.

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- There's a lot.

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- So I don't know.

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I think this is really stupid and Tucker isn't that,

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I don't think he's that stupid

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I think that's a that reflects a hatred of his audience. I mean it is it is like using evidence like oh

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I meant to call my mom the other day and as I picked up the phone she was dialing mm-hmm

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Haven't you ever seen magic, you know like buddy? I don't it's fine fine. Haven't you ever held someone? You know, like buddy. I don't, it's fine, fine.

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Haven't you ever held someone's hand while they're dying?

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I've got a, I've, I'm working on a riff on Pascal's Wager.

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All right, I'm going to call it Holmes's Wager.

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And that's, I will bet you everything that there is no God.

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If there is a God, I'll shit in his mouth and go to hell.

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Mm.

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That's my wager.

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Okay.

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Okay, that's my wager. - Okay.

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Okay, that's interesting. - Nope.

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- What do I have to do?

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- Nothing, everybody just makes the bet on their own.

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- Oh.

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- No.

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- Okay, I'm out.

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- Oh, okay, fine.

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That's fair.

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- I don't wanna shit in someone's mouth.

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- I'm gonna win.

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- So, Tucker, I think he's getting a little heady.

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'Cause he's talking about little heady. - Oh.

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- 'Cause he's talking about like these

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invalidations of atheism.

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- Sure.

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- And he goes off on a little bit of an ethics tear.

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- Oh, yeah.

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- I think this is just so stupid.

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- Right, so there's very few people,

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very, especially now, that are like,

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"No, I'm an atheist, there definitely is no God."

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- Okay, well then, why is murder wrong?

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- Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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- Ooh, you got us.

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- 'Cause it doesn't move.

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- Okay, I think it's wrong.

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So hot.

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- What now?

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- You tell me it's why, but what now?

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- Yeah, yeah, 'cause you feel that way.

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That's your authority, your emotions.

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And you would see this, I remember.

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- So like the people you were saying were atheists,

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like, have they ever, some of them were smart, I assume?

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- Yeah.

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- Yeah, what do they say to that?

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- I remember, I remember watching, you know,

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uh, previous guest of yours, actually the man who trained me in ministry, Doug Wilson,

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yeah, debate, wonderful man, Christian for Haitians. Yeah. Right. Oh, yes. And they,

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they had that discussion, right? And it was, it was shocking to watch Haitians say, well,

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it's, you know, it's common human experience, you know,

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solidarity with mankind.

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That's why I think murder is wrong.

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And of course, Doug says to him, well, if you saw someone being murdered on the street,

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you think that's bad, right?

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Well, why?

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And he goes into his whole spiel.

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And he's like, well, what if it's a pregnant woman and her baby?

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Right? You would just say, well, no, no, you need to have a medical license for that to kill

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that.

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Oh, he got what he's double down.

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He wouldn't go down that road.

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This is some piss poor ethics talk.

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And again, it relies heavily on Tucker being confident that the audience that's listening

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is very dumb.

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Yep.

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His reliance on his God saying the murder is wrong is just as valid as me making up

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a God who says that murder is good.

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When you hinge an entire ethical framework on, my God said so, you're making your beliefs

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more arbitrary, not less."

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This is like freshman year philosophy stuff.

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Like if your definition of what is right and wrong comes down to what God says, then why

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did God say "exes right and wrong comes down to what God says, and why did God say X is right and why is wrong?

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Is the thing right or wrong solely based on whether God says it is or not?

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If so, then your morality is just based on your belief about a deity's preference.

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If not, then there has to be an external code of morality that exists even above God, and

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you're following God's rules because you believe that God's a good interpreter of these sets of rules

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Neither of these is a good stopping point

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Which is why it's generally good to have a sense of morality that takes things at least a step or two deeper than God said so sure

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It's fucking stupid. Mm-hmm. This is a dull argument that they're engaged in and I can see why Hitchens wouldn't really be interested in taking these points seriously

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And I can see why Hitchens wouldn't really be interested in taking these points seriously. As for the port about abortion, if I saw someone who wasn't a doctor performing an abortion

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on an unwitting person on the street, that would be concerning.

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I think that in his stupidity, he's not realizing that there are a bunch of variables in these

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two situations that make them not analogous at all.

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There's a surprising number of things that in his conception could probably just be solved

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with somebody going like, "Hey bud, what are you up to?"

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You wanna explain?

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- You need a drink.

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(laughing)

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How's things going?

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- Going great.

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- Yeah. (laughing)

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Good luck with the church.

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- Oh boy.

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- So they talk a little bit more about morality here.

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And I think that again, this is just convoluted shit.

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- It's wrong!

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- One, you can see why?

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- Yeah, you can see why it's breaking down, though, today.

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- Under the weight of its own silliness.

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- Yeah, yeah, it's funny how that was--

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- It's funny how that was--

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- It's vacuum and it's being replaced by something.

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So all of the moralistic energy is still there.

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And now it's gone to things like transgenderism, abortion, Gaza, whatever.

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It goes to all of those routes.

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It goes to BLM and rioting.

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And so it's highly religious.

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Yeah, it's in us.

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We can't get away from the conviction, the true conviction

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that some things are right and some things are wrong. Yeah. Yeah. It's fundamentally human.

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Absolutely. But an atheist would have to, by definition, be utterly non-judgmental about

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everything. You would think they should be, but they're the most judgmental people.

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It's unbelievable. I mean, Christopher, at at dinner was always lecturing about the Kurds.

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And I'm nothing against the

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way he could imagine that.

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In Iraq, I did notice that.

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But he was so I'm again, I'm not against the Kurds, you know, I'm not an expert in

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Kurdishness, but he, man, he would like lay down his life for the Kurds.

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- Yeah.

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- I remember thinking, what is this?

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And it was the need to sort of find a good guy

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and a bad guy and put yourself in the good guy's side.

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- Yeah, like God.

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So if I understand the argument correctly,

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they're saying that humans have an inherent need

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to judge things and take on the air

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of moral superiority through that.

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People like Tucker and Andrew are good and smart because they've outsourced this task

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to God.

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And because they pretend to follow God's judgments, they get to take on a real air

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of moral superiority.

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Conversely in the absence of God, people at Christopher Hitchens have to find other things

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to find moral purpose in, like advocating for the Kurds.

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Because they sought out moral actions and didn't just say I'm doing this because God said so they don't deserve to feel any air of real moral superiority like Tucker does.

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So while we're on the subject back in the period of 2006 to 2011 Tucker used to be an occasional guest on Bubba the Love Sponge's radio show.

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Good stuff. the love sponges radio show good stuff and in one of those appearances he said quote iraq is a crappy place filled with a bunch of semi literate primitive monkeys what you

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gonna do so maybe maybe his take on the Kurds I'm not gonna listen to you know so there's

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no reason to uh uh uh uh conclude that not believing in a god makes you non judgmental

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like it's almost such an incoherent argument that I don't even know how you would approach

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it like well I mean I suppose know how you would approach it.

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Like, well, I mean, I suppose, I suppose you would approach it from the Calvinist direction,

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right? And you would simply say that any sin is an equal sin in its affront to God, which

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is what matters. So murder, if you like, yeah, absolutely is bad, but murder is no better

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or worse than any other sin, because the only thing that matters is the affront to God

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Right the accounting of those affronts. Yeah, absolutely and even then because that's already predetermined by

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God it doesn't even really matter

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Whether or not you murder somebody or not what matters is what happens at the very end. Yeah, yeah

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I hear what you're saying.

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- Sure, but I think that--

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- Well, I'm not saying that.

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- That's Calvin.

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- No, but I get what you're citing.

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- Sure, yeah.

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- But I think that what Tucker is talking about

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is kind of like judgment in terms of like being rude.

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(laughing)

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- Right, like--

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- Atheists are so judgmental.

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- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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- It's not about like this is a greater sin

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than that or anything.

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It's like Christopher Hitchens is on his high horse

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about the Kurds.

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And where does he get off?

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He doesn't even believe in God.

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- I mean, I don't think you're wrong.

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- But I just, I don't know, I'm flummoxed

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by these dumb dums.

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- They, for all the arguments that they make, I don't know. I'm flummoxed by these these dumb dums. They for

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for all the

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arguments that they make

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They claim to have studied a lot

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Right, but the arguments betray a lack of said study. Yeah, or it

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There's some amount of study and a willful rejection of the things you would have learned through that study in order to appeal to people who know very little and are easily distracted by jangling keys. I mean, it's a disinterest in something that I do think is incredibly interesting and it has a large amount of literature, the arguments over all of this stuff just through the Bible alone.

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And they bet to ignore all of that and go,

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"Well, then what's wrong with murder?

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Fuck you."

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Right.

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And I cannot stress enough how anybody who's had a undergraduate philosophy class would

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have had these conversations at great length.

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Both of these guys said they went to college.

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Yeah.

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So.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Please don't ever make me go back there.

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Yeah. So Andrew had a church in Minnesota. Yep. And then he decided to go to

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To Tennessee to do to do this stuff. No golden tablets necessary. No, and he had to say goodbye to that old

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Congregation bummed tell them what he was going off to. - Okay.

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And I just told them that,

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no, I have to leave Minnesota.

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There's a place for me there in Tennessee

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and it's ultimately what is best for my family's future.

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There's a place where my children, you know, can grow up.

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Because part of it too is, it isn't just the things that we're leaving, you know,

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the political, cultural things that we're leaving in Minnesota,

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but it's also, you know, overall, the things that have been done to the Midwest,

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to everywhere, where my children grow up.

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And if they want to have, you know have a career and a life and a family and

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a success of their own, there just isn't much for them in small town midwest.

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And so they'll all just fly the coop.

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This is what happened when I graduated from high school.

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Most of the people that I grew up with, they all, they all left.

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They went to the Twin Cities.

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They went to other, other cities, uh, for work and, and for, for careers.

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And, uh, and so that, that same thing was likely going to happen with, with my children.

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And I, I look at it and I think, well, my family's been here for six generations and

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whether it's going to end here, right and I

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Want I want to be in a place where we can continue that where we can be rooted where my children

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have the ability to stay in a place and and so so many so many friends are coming to

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To Tennessee where where we are they're bringing businesses there.

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And once you build things at scale, like the more stuff you're able to do,

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the more businesses you're able to have, the more opportunity is for young people.

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And so, right, if my children want to stay where we are and continue that on,

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generation after generation, like we actually will be able to do that.

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Right? It wasn't so much just, okay, we need will be able to do that, right? That's, it isn't, it wasn't so much just, okay,

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we need to leave Minnesota,

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but it's also we're being drawn to a place

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for a particular reason.

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- The Tennessee dream.

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- There's a future there.

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- Yeah, yeah.

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- The hope of refugees from time immemorial.

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- Yeah.

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- So earlier the argument was that Andrew had a weird fantasy

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about what he imagined was going on at the public school

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and he didn't want the state to tell him

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he can't put his kid in conversion therapy.

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So they had to get out of Minnesota.

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Now I guess this has turned into a gold rush narrative.

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- It's a little different.

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- I understand that maybe employment prospects

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were tough in Wasika, but you have to understand

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that they aren't going to be better off

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in the middle of nowhere.

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The place that they're ending up in is located

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a little ways outside of a town that's one tenth of Hoseka's size. I get that the pitch

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here is basically that Silicon Valley type jobs can be relocated to a cheap place in the

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middle of nowhere. Adventure capital firms can create little company towns, but it's not going

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to fly. You might notice that all of these people who are like relocating to Texas like Elon and Rogan

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They aren't going to the middle of nowhere in Texas

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They're going to Austin

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Yeah, because that's a city that has the infrastructure and all the other amenities you need to accommodate large businesses like Tesla or

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Rogan's media and supplement operation. Yep. The story Andrew is telling here is a farce

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He says that he's going to this new place because it's a chance for his children to have roots, but he's leaving a place where they already

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have deep roots in this history of six generations. None of the points he's making line up together

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or make sense, which leads me to a strong suspicion that this really is mostly about

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control. And it even makes sense that there would be this obsession with like the roots stuff.

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But he wants to control even that. He wants to break from the roots that he had.

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So he can be in control of the beginning of these roots.

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He's creating a new family legacy while mythologizing the one that he has rejected

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by leaving Minnesota. And it's pretty fucked up.

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I think he's a weird guy.

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- Yeah, you know, I think when I was growing up,

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because this is, you know, it's always,

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what do you think about the children?

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Oh, think about the children.

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What are we gonna think about the children, right?

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And so the parents in these kinds of communities

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wanna create a world for their kids

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that kind of allows them to grow a world for their kids that kind of

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Allows them to grow up still believing the same stuff

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Yeah, right with their worldview imposed and non-threatened and because if you control the environment it won't feel like imposition

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It'll just be the way that you grew up right?

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um, I feel like that made more sense like

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500 years ago whenever the next hundred years would seem almost identical to the hundred years previous to that

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Now the idea of like molding your child's growth

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Five years from now is absurd. It's just absurd. You have no idea what it's going to look like

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You have no I mean you have no fucking clue

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Yeah, and then ten years from that, whenever they're actually

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making like strong decisions about their own moral character

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from within, like what is they?

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What is 10 years going to look like with computers?

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Yeah.

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The level of control you would need

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to exert over some child in order to maintain that box.

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>> Absurd.

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>> It's in the modern world.

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It seems very crazy.

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>> Yeah.

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>> But God bless them for trying.

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>> I suppose.

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>> I suppose.

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I don't think God's doing that, but I suppose we all should hope.

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>> Yeah.

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>> I think you move your kids out to the middle of nowhere to start a church.

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I think you might make them more likely to leave.

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That does tend to be the case.

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Yeah. That does tend to be the case.

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This one sounds like a dud.

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So Tucker is a bit of a racist and ethnic essentialist.

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I think I would call him.

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Well, don't use those words.

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He's a ethnic city essentialist.

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He thinks of towns by their

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ethnicities. Christian's bill your state. Yes. And all of it. And every bit of it.

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And it's so telling when you go to the Twin Cities, I think of them as

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Protestant and Catholic. Yeah. I think of them as Scandinavian and Minneapolis

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and Irish. Yeah. and others in Saint Paul.

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But both of them, especially Saint Paul, just littered with churches and schools, and it's

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just like the infrastructure of those cities was built by Christians.

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And so it's a little bit crazy that, first of all, it's been taken over with people who

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have made a point to stick a finger in the eye of Christians to make it impossible for

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them to live there. It's like you're being driven out of your own homeland

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six generations.

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Yeah, that was true. What happened with my wife is from St. Paul. Her, you know, father

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side of the family is Polish Catholic. Yeah, went to St. Casmer's church. Exactly. That's

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exactly in my mind. What I think in the neighborhood neighborhood that they were in, it was all Polish people, but now it's all monge.

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Right, everywhere.

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It's all monge and Somali,

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and everyone there just left over the last two or three

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- What happened to their churches in Prokos schools?

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- Well, St. Casmer's church is there,

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but it's largely empty.

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We went there for a funeral a couple of years ago, but there's, I mean, Casmer's Church is there, but it's largely empty. We went there for a funeral a couple of years ago, but there's...

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I mean, people still attended, but it's not like it was.

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Most of the parishes there have shut down.

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The Church ghouls have shut down, and they've moved out to the suburbs.

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And so that...

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I mean, that was a Polish neighborhood.

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It was this ethnic enclave.

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If I could just say... I'm just showing myself to right this ethnic enclave. If I could just say on showing myself

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to be an ethnic national. I told they're just like some of the greatest people. Yeah. I've

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ever met. I don't think I've ever met. I have to say they married one. So yeah, I just

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think they're great people. I don't know. I've met many I don't like but just salt to

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the earth smart. Yeah, hardworking. Yeah. Serious about faith and family. Yeah, great

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people. Yeah. I doubt it was an family. Yeah, great people. Yeah.

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I doubt it was an improvement, the change to St. Paul. In fact, it wasn't. I've been...

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No, it's...

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Okay. I've got to fix. I fixed it. I figured it out. All right.

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I don't think it's possible for us to talk these people out of thinking segregation is a great

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idea. No, no, I don't think so either.

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It's not possible. No. So here's what we do. We solve things the American way. Reality

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TV show, one house segregation, the other house desegregation. Who lasts? We do it for

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a hundred years, right? Whoever does best gets the country. Um, I think I, um, I think it's a bad idea.

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We could set up rooting sides.

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You know, I think it'd be great.

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I think it's a bad idea, but I think that it's a good punt

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because by the time there's an answer, we'll all be dead.

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That's the idea.

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So, but what the point is, it'll keep the segregation is focused on the show

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instead of trying to make everything so goddamn segregated

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That's my that might yeah, that's for the chest, baby. Yep. That's the idea

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See, this is a racist shit, but yeah, here's the issue like I don't think it matters

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To like say that this is racist shit. No,. - They know. They're aware of this.

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- He said ethnic nationalists.

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- They just don't think it's bad.

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- No. - Yeah.

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- We have now reached a point in the conversation

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where it is like we just don't believe basic concepts

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in common.

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- No, you just pro-segregation.

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- Yeah. - Yeah.

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- I mean.

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- At very least, differential levels of rights among different populations. - No, no-- - At very least, differential levels of rights

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among different populations.

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- No, no.

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- At very least.

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- No, because this is the conversation

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that they're doing again.

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It is slippery slope on purpose.

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So it is never going to be just that.

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It is always going to be the next step on top of that.

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- I totally agree with you.

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- I'm sorry for getting very aggressive about that.

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- No, I totally agree with you. I'm sorry for getting very aggressive about it. No, I totally agree with you. And it's a good point. It is just the like, you know,

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analytically from what they're saying that's totally you could totally totally that's that's

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no, you're totally right. And that's but that's their trick pretending it's anything more benign

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than that is absurd. Your pro segregation. Fine. We're done talking. I'm anti-segregate. I guess that's

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just how this works. But the idea that there is more to talk about is their trick, not mine.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I think the problem that evangelicals have, according to this fella,

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is that they just haven't been taught the Bible. Sounds true to me. And then Tucker reveals that he hasn't, he

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is not much familiar. You know, many even joke people have not been taught really any

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Bible or theology at all. And you see this in like surveys like the Barna group does

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surveys and right what people believe about different things. And they just they haven't

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been taught any Bible they don't they don't know it. And so then when the liberal says, well,

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the Bible condemns eating shellfish and pork

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and in the same way it condemns homosexuality.

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So what do you have to say about that?

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And they have no idea how to explain that, what that.

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(screams)

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And their faith is shaken or--

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- God didn't destroy two cities with sulfur and fire because people are eating pork. That's right

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You destroy them because they tried to

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Commit gay rape on an angel. Yeah, that's yeah

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And then they did well the sin of that's not why in hospitality. No

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Well, I mean I guess gay rape

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The least hospitable you can do it if you want it's like

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- It's gay rape. - Yeah, I mean, the least hospitable thing you can do.

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- I mean, you can just rate it if you want.

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It's like, it's pretty out there, yeah.

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- Yeah, it's like, well, yeah,

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the least hospitable thing you could do to a guest

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is to annually rape them.

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- Yeah, so all the men of the town came out.

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They demanded.

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- Yeah, we need to know these angels.

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- To have sex with these angels,

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and then lots like, I've got some daughters in here.

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Take them.

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- Yeah.

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- It takes a lot off my Christmas card list saying something like that, but whatever.

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He does that.

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It's in Genesis and they're like, no, we want to rape the dudes.

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Like it's like it's these are not euphemisms.

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It's pretty straightforward.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, actually, I just read Genesis 19 to my children and then there were some

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questions from the kids.

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It was funny. I read that a couple of years ago for the first time. - There were some questions. (laughing)

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It was funny, I read that a couple of years ago for the first time.

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- Really?

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- A couple of years ago for the first time.

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- Yeah.

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- How about that?

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- That's weird.

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- That is wild.

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- I think that in the same way that like,

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you know, I mentioned that like sort of

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some mystical experiences can be easily explained

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by brain chemicals that you just willingly or

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unknowingly don't know anything about. Yeah. The Bible says a bunch of shit that's mind-blowing

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if you've never cared to read it. All kinds of shit in there. Yeah. You know what? It's

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been around for several thousand years. Yeah, it's not it's not surprising to me the story

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of Sodom and Gomorrah. I knew that as a kid. Yeah

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You know, I mean, I think they they mock it but I think it's bullshit like

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You don't expect it like why do you listen to a fucking PhD in butterflies?

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You're not gonna read

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Butterfly shit you're like I trust, you have a PhD in butterflies. If the priest guy says that the Bible says this, the idea is you're supposed to be able to trust him, that's what the Bible's for, right?

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Uh-huh.

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You know, you shouldn't have to read it.

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Sure.

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You shouldn't.

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Well, here's- That was their argument.

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[laughs]

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But here's the- here's the- where it breaks down.

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Sure.

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Is that- it's such a fundamental- like we talked to it earlier the progression of Christianity is this breaking

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down of the barriers between the divine sure and the individual

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because you can't trust them. Clearly there's more power in

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that than butterflies. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. History is

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shown. And that's where they miscalculated. That is the

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problem. The true power. Butterflies.

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Mothra always been that way.

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We need to call upon Mothra.

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Two fairies.

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I know they look like children.

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We need to take out.

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It's on scientific.

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You're my call.

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Da da da da da.

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So Tucker, you know, he knows that they're going to go out to the rural areas.

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Sure.

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And he's like, plants and wood, get some trees going.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Sure.

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Sure.

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Are you putting in evergreens, please?

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Oh, I think everything.

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Yeah.

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I mean, there's there's pines.

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Yeah, there's, uh, please don't neglect the pine.

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Oh, yeah.

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Yeah.

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I know it's a fast growing tree relatively speaking, but it's it's beautiful.

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It's the answer in cedars.

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If you can, if you have water. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I mean's beautiful. It's the answer in Cedars, if you can. If you have water.

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Yeah, I don't know if we'll be able to get a test.

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Okay, okay.

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Now we're gonna do, since you're a pre-tural test

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in this color, what was the inside of the temple clad with?

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Oh, cedar, yeah, from Lebanon.

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Exactly, yeah.

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Nailed it.

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It's called a self-sad cedar.

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That's right.

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An accident, he was pretty specific about it.

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Yeah, it smells great.

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Maybe there's a reason my sauna has cedar on the outside.

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- That's right.

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(laughing)

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- I don't even know my kids that.

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- Just think of it like the temple.

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- It's my cedar church, yes.

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- That's right.

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- Those sacrifices, however.

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Well, here's something you may not have known.

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This network almost didn't exist.

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Trademark issue almost prevented us from launching

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by blocking us from using the name TCN.

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Now, a company called the American Country Network

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owned the rights to that trademark and we were not sure if they would give them up.

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Looking back American Country Network could have demanded a lot of money.

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They could have held us up at gunpoint in exchange for the name TCN and a lot of

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businesses would have done that. But it said I have to do this ad. They were

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incredibly nice. They were so nice I have to do this ad. Free for free.

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To say quick right away

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I did this unless this is not your average company at all these are really really nice people

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I'm glad this happened because it let us get to know the American Country Network it turns out. It's a great place

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Excellent people of the same value that we do and we think that you do

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American Country is a family friendly

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Bringing the best country music to millions of households across the country

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and it's growing fast.

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- Fuck off with this folksy bullshit.

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- God will not be Moxdan!

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(laughing)

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- I love this presentation that he thinks

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he's fooling anybody, that it's like,

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these are such nice people, I just decided

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to do this ad-read.

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- I couldn't stop myself from doing this ad-read.

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I tried, I looked in the mirror

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three times and I said no and then I just kept saying the ad read. It's so funny. It's like,

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what world do you think people don't understand that this is a contract? I mean, I just, I don't

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know. I don't know. I feel like the appropriate response to somebody that blatantly trying to rip me off.

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I feel like there's like, that's crazy. I want to slap you like no.

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Well, like it just makes me think of the when I went to the show in Pennsylvania, the sponsors all doing a little bit of time up top.

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Of course.

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One of them being for like a weird sleep syrup or something

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like that.

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It's like this is this.

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That's just what this is.

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It's just a syrup that shares our values about sleep.

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Right.

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And also Christian nationalism.

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Yeah.

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And they gave me a bunch of money.

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And so they're going to talk before my thing.

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But it was God money.

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It's cool.

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It's all cool.

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And I really just wanted them here

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'cause they're good people.

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- They are great people.

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- Yeah, and I'm granted they sponsored this.

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- We negotiated things inside a contract.

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- Yeah.

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So we have one last clip here

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and it's 'cause towards the end of this,

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well I will say, I probably would have cut out

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some more clips, but I decided to leave

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a lot of the theological alone, because I don't

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really care.

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No.

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Like, I don't want to argue with someone about what their religious tenants are.

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Sure.

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I think it's funny a lot of the times when Alex has his misrepresentations of religion

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and-

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They're delightful and weird.

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But that's more about being him.

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Yeah.

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I don't really care

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precisely what this guy believes about various scriptures sure so I didn't I didn't farm those

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fields who gives a shit um and the end is a bit of a plug for the plots of land

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- It's a plant.

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- I mean, it's just so amazing. It's so amazing how well capitalism has just conquered it

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and they just let it go.

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- Yeah.

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- I mean, it's genuinely amazing.

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- Yeah, do you think, I don't know.

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I mean, I wonder if this is too conspiratorial of a thought.

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And that is that, you you know like Mark Andreessen

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Put money into the company that owned like the venture capital group Yeah, that owns the company that has this big plot of land. Yeah, this guy is going on Tucker's show

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Tucker knows Mark Andreessen. Yep. Like is this connected do they they connect? Like, I don't think it has to be.

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I don't think it's necessary.

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- No.

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- But it certainly looks kind of like it,

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it could be not above board.

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- Yeah, absolutely.

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- Yeah.

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- I mean, it's a hard world to live in

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where conspiracy is one thing,

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but at the same time, when a small group of people

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set out to accomplish a thing and then accomplish it I understand that that is that is a conspiracy

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But it's just like what we would regularly call a small group of people accomplishing a thing

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Yeah, you know and then it's also hard for me to think about this outside of like it's

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Advertising use and as much as like okay, you've got this Christian nationalist guy who's set a bunch of really dumb, bad shit in the past.

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- Yep.

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- Who announces that he's going to start a church

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on a plot of land that this Christian nationalist,

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anti-woke venture capitalist group has bought.

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That's courting bad publicity.

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- I mean--

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- That's courting coverage in the media about like,

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oh, look at these Nazis going out to the woods.

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And then you get to play victim.

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- Sure.

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- You get to be like, oh look at the system demonizing us.

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- Sure.

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- This is why you need to buy a plot of land.

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- Well.

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- Out here.

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- That's how the real Noah's Ark nailed it.

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- Yeah, it kind of feels a little bit like that,

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but I can't tell how much of that is me just like,

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it would make sense if that's what this is.

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- Yeah, I mean, that is kind of the thing.

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You know, the guy who set out to build the real Noah's Ark

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wasn't quarding negative publicity,

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but I mean, I'm assuming that he had to know

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that people were gonna be like,

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"Now you can see, you can't fit everybody in there."

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You know?

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- But he wasn't selling berth on the Ark.

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He wasn't selling rooms on there

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that's true well you sell it tours on a fictional boat

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was he that's what the real Noah's arc was for

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I think the real Noah's arc like not the real real Noah's

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I know it no that's true

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no was not selling he was he was frankly

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he was given that shit away.

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- Yeah, Noah had no capitalist kind of motivation.

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(laughing)

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Whereas this one has deep warmth.

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- Very much so, yeah.

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- So anyway, here's just a little,

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he actually even refers to this as like a real estate venture.

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- Wow.

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- And so he just talks about that a little bit here.

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- The people that I've spoken to, the people I've met in the town, are very enthusiastic,

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especially when they see the things that I do, see the podcast I do or various things.

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Like, "Oh, you're not at all like the

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TV man said you are. And of course, these are people that, you know, that we've been

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describing like they don't trust the media. They don't trust journalists. So they're already,

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they're already distrusting of that. I'm like, Oh, it just seems like you really like Donald

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Trump and the United States and Americans and the Constitution and our freedoms.

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And I was like, you seem like a just normal, you know, conservative kind of guy.

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And I'm like, yeah, I am.

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That's I'm an open open book.

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Like, either there's no, you know, what you see is what you get.

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What I what I believe until later, honestly, believe until later.

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So people are very, have been very very kind.

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This thing legislature hasn't tried to know. No, no,

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that's with your zoning permits or anything like that. No, and

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and any victimhood. The thing is, any the company can we do a

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little self is not saying, well, this is a community like that

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would violate the Fair Housing Act, right, to save. This is a

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Christian only community. It's just that my church is allowed to build a church there.

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Right.

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Um, there's no law against that at all.

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And, um, and I can, I can call up friends and say, Hey, you want to move here and be

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part of our thing that I can say, Oh, the cost of living is extremely low.

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It's real good.

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Um, so yeah, they're just selling, they're trying to sell

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plots of land on this thing. It's very overt. And I think you're a little too aware of,

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hey, this is Christians only, but we can't legally say that. I found another interview with

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the guy who runs the venture capital group, the Ruby Ruby Ridge writer or whatever the fuck.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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What is it called?

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Ridge Ridge.

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Oh, no.

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Actually, now I can't--

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Yeah.

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Ridge writer.

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Ridge runner.

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Ridge runner.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And that guy has a very similar kind of thing of like,

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you know, I can't say that it's Christians only.

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That would be illegal.

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Yeah.

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But we're building a church there there and I hope that sends the message

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Yeah

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So that's cute. That's very cute. And what you see is what you get. Yeah as illustrated by the winking

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Way that he's expressing this. Yeah, I mean the irony of what they're doing and what he's saying is that it's like it's very similar to

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segregation busing like most schools that were the most segregated like most areas that were segregated

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Remainso most schools that were segregated remain so because they stopped busing like the only way to really

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Force desegregation is to force

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desegregation because otherwise you can say like hey

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You can't explicitly say you can't buy here, but also you can segregate your school as long as everybody's white

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Mm-hmm, you know it's fucked up. Yeah, there are there are workarounds

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There are workarounds and that's clearly a big part of what this is got a bus

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So the I think that if I were a rich Satanist, I would buy a plot.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah.

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100%.

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I would challenge them a little bit.

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Oh.

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And I would build a church there too or something like that.

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Totally.

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And then see what happened.

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Just a fuck with them.

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I mean, it's like the, it's like the people.

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What was it?

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The 10 commandments and then right next to that was a statue of the devil. Where it's like, well, what was it, the 10 commandments and then right next to that

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where there's a statue of the devil,

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where it's like, well I'm mad at one of those

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and it's like yes, but that's the point.

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You understand the point I'm making is that you can't.

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- Yeah, if I had money to burn,

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that would be something that I would probably do

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just to fuck with them.

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- Well you can't do this, aha, but that's the point.

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- Yeah, I'm too busy and I can't afford it.

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So I'll pass on this troll operation.

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Just decorate Halloween.

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It's so fucked up every year.

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Yeah.

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Oh, you know what I would do?

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What would you do?

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Dark Easter.

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Oh my god.

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That would be amazing.

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Yeah.

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That would be three upside down crosses on your yard.

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Maybe not that.

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Maybe not too far.

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Yeah, no. That dark. your yard? - Maybe not that. - Maybe not too far.

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- Yeah, no, I was thinking of like a bunny scary.

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- The bunny from "Monipy Thoughts."

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- Yeah, like that.

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You went a little off feet.

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- What real dark Easter, that's apologies, yeah.

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- So I think that, look, hey, it's Tucker Week.

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- It is.

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- We're not abandoning Alex or anything like that,

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but I felt the spirit get in me that I wanted to talk

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a little more about Tucker.

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And I think that this episode was really helpful

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in illuminating some of this point

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that I think is going to be important to keep in mind.

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The synergy of like really, really bad ideology

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and rebranding of Silicon Valley tech

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billionaire bullshit. And it's almost perfectly encapsulated by this guest. And the way Tucker

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is strategically presenting. Yeah. And also, look, I want to say, I don't think I've seen you laugh as much as when like this, this episode you've been laughing.

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It's been very funny. I don't to admit it's I'm I'm not missing

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I feel like maybe we were in

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Not we Alex has been in a fucking rut in his bullshit

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Hackman absolutely and I feel like since there haven't been

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Consequences for murdering Jean Hackman. I've felt a little bit of like a I need to take a break

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And this has been perfect. Yeah, it's been a perfect week of not doing I need to take a break and this has been perfect

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Yeah, it's been a perfect week of not doing Alex. Yeah, then we can move on my birthday is next week

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And I was kind of considering a gift to myself being I don't even talk about Alex until I'm 41 amazing

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I was thinking about that, but that's all next week and that might be too long. Mm-hmm. I don't know

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We'll see we'll play it by ear anything could happen, but

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Seriously this Tucker guy, what a dick. Wild. We'll be back with another episode to learn about something. But until then, we have a website.

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Indeed, we do. It's Knowledge Fight dot com.

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Yep. But until then, I'm Neo, I'm the CEO of the

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MDZX Clark. I am the mysterious professor.

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Yeah. Yeah. And now here comes the sex robots. Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding. mysterious professor.