Transcript/1012: January 29, 2025
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They are wrecking the globalist.
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Have we had a single nominee come through who's made $2.5 million
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off suing
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one of the-
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(laughs)
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... entities that it would be regulating and plans
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to keep getting a take of every lawsuit in the future?
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Well, they are so... That's what lawyers do.
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When have we had that before?
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They are so scared.
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We've had past documentation of every other nominees'...
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That's the real takeaway here.
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... financial interests in some of
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I've been watching this morning on Harris and Hubbard Live...
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... of every single time we get a nominee, their financial interests.
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On American Journal. I, I mean, they are scared.
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They are lying.
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Uh, they know the great awakening is here.
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And that's why he has even, uh, I think, and I
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don't know that I wanna ask him to get into it, but he has listed his assets and has
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gone through a discussion of the responsibilities under the, our ethics laws.
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And what about Fauci? He keeps the money he makes secret-
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And why the government owns-
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... off owning part of the vaccines the government pushes.
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Um, so this episode starts with Alex in the middle of watching the RFK
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confirmation hearings. He's yelling about how much he doesn't like Elizabeth Warren and-
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Sure.
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... bah. So Warren was asking a question about how RFK has profited off of spreading vaccine misinformation
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and lawsuits against the very agencies he would end up being in charge of if he's confirmed
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and how that's a pretty clear conflict of interest.
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Sure.
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Alex says that, uh, making $2.5 million suing these agencies is just what lawyers
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do. "That's what RFK was doing." But that's not what RFK did.
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Mm.
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He made this money on referral fees, essentially
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serving as a spokesperson who would direct people to a law firm called Weisner Baum, who would then
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sue these agencies and then RFK would get a cut.
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Nice.
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Warren was pointing out that in his ethics agreement, RFK had said that
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he was gonna continue this arrangement for referral fees.
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Is that a job?
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I guess so.
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(laughs)
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But it's, it's kind of like someone holding a sign outside-
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Yeah.
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... of a car wash.
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I guess, yeah. I mean, yeah. Yeah, sure.
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It seems like something he could really easily exploit within his government position.
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Uh, b- yeah.
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He's been pretty public about wanting to remove liability protections for
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vaccines, which would represent a huge payday for him
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personally through this kickback arrangement of finder's fees for lawsuits.
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Great.
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In order for Alex to present the people that he likes in a good light, he can't even let the basic
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details of what they're up to or have been up to be discussed.
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No.
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He has to create this, like, "That's what lawyers do."
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Mm.
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Crazy.
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I, I, I appreciate, I appreciate what Elizabeth Warren thinks she's trying to do here, but it is, it is
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more ridiculous to try and be serious if you're asking Homer Simpson a question in real life.
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Like, "Homer Simpson, how could you be in front of this courtroom..." Like,
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you're the one who's ridiculous here.
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Right.
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Elizabeth, come on now. Stop this.
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If I were, if I were in this confirmation hearing, I would probably hope
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someone else takes a more serious tact. And I would just be like, "Tell me about that bear."
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I, I can't... Now, how can you not be like, "So you cut a bears... You killed a bear-"
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Right.
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... "and then put it... Did, did you think anybody was gonna catch you?"
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"And where is the joke?"
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Right.
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That's, that's what I wanna get into.
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Where... What were you on?
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I get it was a prank.
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Of course it was.
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I get it. It's funny.
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Well, who among us hasn't had the idea?
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But let's talk about why is this funny.
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(laughs)
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(laughs)
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I, 'cause...
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Really, just get into it.
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And if, and if I'm him, I'm showing up wearing clown shoes, right? Like...
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Mm-hmm.
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And I'm putting them up on the desk just like, "Yes, what other questions do you have for me? (laughs)
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Change places."
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Yeah, "Do you really think anything I say is going"-
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Yeah.
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... "to affect the votes (laughs) here?"
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"What are we doing? What are we doing here, children?"
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So, uh, RFK gets asked if he's a conspiracy theorist-
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Yes.
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... in this clip.
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I got a real quick question for you. Are you a conspiracy theorist? (laughing)
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Um, that is a pejorative, Senator, that's applied to me, um,
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mainly to keep me from asking difficult questions about-
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Yeah, they invented it when they killed his dad and uncle.
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... I was told that I was a conspiracy theorist.
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That, that's declassified. The CIA created it.
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For the Kennedys.
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Yeah.
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So you wouldn't ask questions about them being murdered.
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And later described me because I-
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That's not true. Uh, but, uh, I, oh, I just like the, like,
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conspiracy theorist label is weaponized against people who ask tough questions.
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No.
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No, it's not.
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No.
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You're a dipshit.
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Nope.
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(laughs)
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No, I think it's actually very interesting that we've all kind of agreed now at the end of the day, like,
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it's not even that... As much of a pejorative as we, as you'd like now.
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People are openly like, "Yeah, of course I'm a conspiracy theorist."
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Mm-hmm.
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"Okay.""Yeah, I sound crazy."
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"Yeah, I think descriptive labels have, uh, largely lost a lot of their meaning
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and a lot of their power. Like, people, uh, you know, who cares? There's no, there's no social cost"-
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Yeah.
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... "to being a conspiracy theorist anymore."
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Yeah.
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"'Cause-"
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"No, it..."
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"... your beliefs don't have to be rational. There's no... You don't lose anything for that."
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Totally. If anything, it's like, "Oh, I've accepted that I'm a conspiracy
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theorist, so now I just only go to these YouTube videos now."
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Mm-hmm.
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Like, it's, it's almost a relief.
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Yeah.
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(laughs)
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So Bernie Sanders-
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Sure.
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... uh, is, is, uh, here.
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Yeah, let's hear this.
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And he has some, uh, he has some questions.
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Let's hear this shit.
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Uh, so he asks about whether or not RFK believes that climate change is a hoax.
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Oh, yeah.
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Much like Trump does.
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Let's do it.
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I happen to believe
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that climate change is real.
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(laughs)
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It's an existential threat and it is a healthcare issue.
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Donald Trump thinks that it is a hoax
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originated in China.
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Oh, yeah. When they cook up a virus, they go, "Oh, it came out of the
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jungle 'cause it's warming." No, they made it in a lab.
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... is climate change a hoax...
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The third world starved to death because you had lockdowns for years.
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... or is it something which is going to cause devastating problems?Uh,
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President Trump and I, from the beginning, from
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our first meeting, agreed to disagree on that issue. I believe
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climate change is existential. My job
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is to make Americans healthy again. And that, that is what I'm-All right. Do you
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believe that cl-... Oh, you think that... You disagree with
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Trump, you don't think climate change is a hoax, is what I'm hearing.
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Uh, my job here is to make America healthy.
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I'm just asking you that, Mr. Kennedy, not a trick question.
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I answered your question, sir.
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Guys, I'm gonna be over at the Department of Energy.
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Okay, so you disagree with the president on that?
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I answered your question.
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(laughs) Okay.
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"Okay. So, uh, do you believe in reality? Uh,
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I do, but he doesn't, but I work for him and"-
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What are you gonna do?
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... "you know, we're just gonna agree to disagree on this shit."
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What you gonna do?
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"Right."
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(laughs)
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That's bad.
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I (laughs) , if I could, if I could quantum leap
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into anybody right now, it would be Bernie Sanders, just... And I would go absolutely ape shit on him, just
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screaming, "I told you so." I would... If, if we, if we're in a confirmation hearing,
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I'm shitting in my hand and throwing it at RFK Jr's face. Like, what do I care?
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Ber- Bernie is not, uh, is not super light on him. Uh, but I don't think it's throwing poo levels.
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Why not?
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Um, I think there's something funny about Alex being like, "He's not the,
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he's not gonna be the Secretary of Energy."
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Yeah. Pfft, great.
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It's the place where climate's relevant?
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(laughs)
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How does that work exactly? What do you think the Department of Energy does, Alex?
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Definitely not health.
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Um...
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There's no, uh, there's no noted correlation between the weather and people's health.
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Yeah.
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That's not possible.
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So Alex really needs to interrupt.
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Mm.
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'Cause Bernie does make some points and Alex is like, "Eh."
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Yeah.
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So he's like, you know, like, ah, yeah, he's not the Secretary of Energy or whatever.
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Mm.
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But it, it gets to a head where Alex is, like, in crisis.
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Mm-hmm.
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I think the gist of what you are trying to say today is you're really pro-vaccine, you wanna ask questions.
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You have started a group called the Children's Health
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Defense.
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(laughs) He, he wants safe vaccines.
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Let me reiterate it. Right now you'll find a standard on their website.
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What they give us now is not even a vaccine. They changed the definition four years ago.
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They are selling what's called onesies. These are little things, clothing for babies.
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One of them is titled Unvaxxed Unafraid.
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Next one is sold-
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(laughs)
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... for 26 bucks a piece, by the way.
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Next one is No Vax, No Profits.
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(laughs)
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They used to give us five, now they give us six or seventy.
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And you say children's health...
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They're full of cancer viruses. They're contaminated on purpose.
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Organizatioin is making money selling a child's health...
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They put SV40 cancer virus in all the COVID shots on record, public.
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... to parents for 26 bucks.
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Happenin'. Major studies.
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They have fundamental doubt on a child's disease.
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They put it in there. It has nothing to do with the manufacturing.
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You can see Alex's instincts really shine here. Like, this is a
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line of questioning that he cannot engage with at
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all, and he needs to distract away from it as much as possible.
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Bernie is asking RFK a question that reveals his primary deception.
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In a respectable setting, like a confirmation
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hearing, he'll say that he's a guy who's in favor of vaccines and he just has some hard questions to ask
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because he wants to make things better.
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But in reality, he's selling explicitly anti-vaccine merch to his audience.
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Essentially, Bernie's question reveals how RFK wants to have his cake and eat it too, and it
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should make people think that maybe he's a liar.
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RFK knows two things. One, his strident anti-vaccine arguments are
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flimsy, debunked, and would be embarrassing to try to defend in a formal setting like this
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confirmation hearing. Two, no one is buying merch that says, "I
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support vaccines, but I have some questions about the medical establishment."
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In order to profit from the audience, he
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needs to convey one message. Then, he needs to moderate and distort that
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message in order to make himself acceptable to
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be close to power. Everybody knows he's lying, but both sides are betting that they're lying
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in their favor. The people in the confirmation hearing are betting that he's
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lying to his gullible audience to make money and won't
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really be an anti-vaccine zealot if he's given power. The people in
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the audience are betting that he's actually an
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anti-vaccine zealot, but he needs to lie to the folks in the hearing
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in order to be confirmed. It's a grim state of affairs, and it's unacceptable.
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Yeah, it is, it is really interesting, and it kinda tells you, like, from the jump
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how this stuff was, was designed, whatever. It does feel like... A very simple
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rule to have in, like, a governing body would be like, "If you get caught
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lying, you're kicked out." You know? Like,
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he got caught. L- You know, like sometimes you lie and you're like, "Ah, I
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didn't catch him." You know? "I didn't quite get there."
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Reasonable doubt, that kind of shit. He can hide behind this stuff.
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He sells a shirt that says, "I hate vaccines"!
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No, no. No, no. A onesie for babies.
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Right! Exactly.
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(laughs)
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Exactly! It couldn't get... This is a signed piece of paper
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saying, "I hate vaccines and I would try and destroy them..."
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Do you think this counts? You have been caught, sir. Goodbye.
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Y- Yeah. You're comically corrupt and you put a dead bear in the park.
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Yes! It's-
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Get out.
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It's just an automatic rule.
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Yeah.
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It has no party, it has no nothing, it just has, "You got caught lying, buddy."
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Yeah.
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"You can't be here."
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If s- if, if we had a little bit of respect f- for our own government-
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I, I, yeah.
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... then that w- that would happen.
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I'm not even against it. There's a certain amount of
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gamesmanship that I would be fine with, see
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how much lying you could get away with. But if you get caught, you get caught. You're done.
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So, on our last episode of The Cat-
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Yeah.
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... I talked a little bit about watching Deal or No Deal Island.
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Yes. (laughs) A little bit.
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This actually, this, y- your rant reminded me of, of something on that.
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Yeah.
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It's one of the only reality TV game show-type things that I've ever seen where they care if you cheat.
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Okay.
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There was a time where Boston Rob tried to peek over at someone else's board for the solution-
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Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
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... to something he couldn't figure out.
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Yeah.
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And he got fucked by it. They were like, "No. No, no. Stop the game. Stop the game."
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(laughs)
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"You cheated."
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That's great!
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That happens all the time on, like, on Survivor or The Challenge.
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You should be cheating.
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People knock over their puzzles once they're finished-
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Absolutely.
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... so you can't cheat off them.
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Of course.
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It's, it's just baked in that everyone cheats.
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Totally.
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Not on Deal or D- Deal Island.
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Can't cheat. Deal or No Deal Island is somehow less corrupt than Congress. (laughs)
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Yeah.
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So, uh, Marsha Blackburn, uh, comes up and has a question.
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Okay.
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And Alex gets bored.
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Rural healthcare's very important to me
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and the people of Tennessee. 78 of our 95 counties
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are rural counties. Now, over the last few years, we've seen
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hospital closures, so we have focused on access-
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That's the illegal aliens.
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... in rural areas.
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Wang it all down.
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And our rural health agenda, which is why Congressman-
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That's, on record, that's the number one thing. Bankrupting small hospitals.
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... focuses on innovation
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Yeah.
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Private ones and little ones.
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... telehealth, access points. It focuses on work shortages
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and also Senator Warner and I have together focused on making sure-
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All right. We'll go back to this, um, when the Left attacks.
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Yeah. We just wanna see some fights. I don't really care about this shit.
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(laughs) Yeah.
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You can see here how Alex just has a model where he sees a problem, and without even
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thinking about it, he reports that the group in the population he doesn't like is
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to blame for it. And it's been proven! It's all proven. Look it up.
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Yep. Yep.
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So in the real world, rural healthcare is a very complicated thing, and it always has been.
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For one thing, the population density in rural areas is much lower, so a hospital
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in a particular area has a much smaller numble- number of potential patients to serve.
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This also means that hospitals will be more distant from each other
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and from the people who need to get to them, uh,
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because having close, easily accessible hospitals for everyone just is financially unsustainable.
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There are a lot of obvious challenges that, uh, providing healthcare in more
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rural areas presents, and some more complex ones, like how services are just more costly
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in rural hospitals. So, the same payouts
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from insurance companies actually
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represent a lower payment for them, proportional
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to the cost of care. That's something that is really hard to solve.
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Yeah.
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I've read a little bit about this and it seems like one of the main answers to this would just be
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public investment in rural healthcare. I've seen no one who takes this question
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seriously blame immigrants for hospitals closing, uh, but that's, you know,
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more or less just an expression of Alex's racism. Alex makes
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it a little too obvious, too, that he's just in this for entertainment and
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memes, though, with the whole, "We'll check in when the Left attacks" thing.
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Totally.
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He wants to talk about conflict, not any kind of substance-
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Yeah.
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... that, uh, that i-... Like, these are problems that we would really
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like the director of the HHS to help solve.
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Yeah.
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"No, I'll come back when the Left's fighting."
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I would be, I would be much more comfortable... Like, if I'm the, if I'm the right wing, right? And I, I'm,
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I'm a person who's, uh, trying to use the demagoguery, of course,
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but, uh, also I am familiar with how to write legislation and, like,
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minutiae and that kind of stuff. I figure we have two
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different hearings, right? We have the TV
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hearing where everybody's like, "Ah! Immigrants did it!" And then we have the adult hearing,
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uh, so Alex doesn't get to see the adult hearing because he's just gonna get bored.
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Mm-hmm.
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Like, all of the people that want RFK Jr. to be in this job
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don't actually want him to be in the job because they don't know what the job is, right?
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Right.
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Like, we're listening to what the job is and everybody's,
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who wants RFK Jr. to be there, is like, "Boring! Next show!" You know?
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Mm-hmm.
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It's a difficult job made up of weird shit!
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Yeah. And, and, and tons of variables that you don't even think about.
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Yeah!
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They live in the background. Uh, they're the things that only,
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only people who are in the, in the field really
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ever have to face.
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Yeah!
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Or confront. Um, and Alex is just, "It's boring."
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Another rule.
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It's boring.
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You can't be a person who says, "Shut up, nerd," whenever you hear details about
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health and human services in rural areas.
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That would be good.
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Yeah.
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Um, so Alex talks a little bit about aspartame here.
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Okay.
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Because, uh, there's a little bit of like, "Hey, isn't it, isn't it strange that, um, you know,
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you're all about the chemicals and the food and all this stuff and then
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Trump loves McDonald's so much?"
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There is a good point.
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It's strange.
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Mm-hmm.
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And so RFK has to deal with that.
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Okay.
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And it sends Alex on a nonsense rant.
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(laughs)
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Let's go ahead and go to clip
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22 and 20. These are important.
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Real quick. He's watching it live, and then when he gets bored, he's going to clips.
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Amazing.
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So that's why he's, he's going to a clip here.
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This is how we live.
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Yeah.
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(laughs)
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I don't wanna take
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food away from anybody. If you like a
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cheeseburg- a McDonald's cheeseburger, Diet Coke, which my boss loves-
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(laughs)
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... and I, you should be able to get them. If you wanna eat Hostess Twinkies, you
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should be able to do that. But you should know what the impacts are on your family and on your health.
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That's right. He exposed that all over the world,
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red dye number three, because it's a seriously
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toxic carcinogen, it has an amphetamine effect. Anybody that's been parents, you go, "Well, what was in
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that?" When your kid gets, you know,
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Froot Loops or something.
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And it's highly toxic and has an amphetamine effect.
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I mean, I knew that when I was a kid. My
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dad would not let me... He would look at the back of something and say, "Oh, that's got red dye
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five or three." They all did the same thing.
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Comes from petroleum.
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And
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it's a free country if you're an adult and you wanna eat that stuff.
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But
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we're gonna make sure it's labeled, and stuff that's toxic is gonna be removed.
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So he's dead on there. And, and you know, Trump is not a drug user or, or drinks, but
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he is well known to be a fast food goblin
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and he likes it.
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He will be goblin.
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And, and you know, that's what Trump does. He likes Diet Coke. So does
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Elon Musk. Diet Coke is highly addictive.
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It is the chemical
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secretion, aspartame, of a toxic
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species of an E. coli genetically engineered bacteria that was created, the first
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one ever deployed, in the '70s to eat oil residue on giant oil
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containment facilities.
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Sounds true to me.
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And they found that the bacteria secreted a very sweet chemical
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that's basically
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concentrated wood alcohol/formaldehyde.
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Why wouldn't I believe you?
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It, it, at 87 degrees, it breaks down into that.
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And so in your stomach, it breaks down and yeah, wood alcohol gets you high.
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It has an amphetamine effect. Also make you go blind.
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So that's an interesting story that Alex has about
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aspartame being E. coli secretions, but, uh, that's not, that's not true.
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Yeah.
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In 1965, a researcher named James Schlatter was working on compounds that could be made into
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anti-ulcer drugs. He discovered aspartame by accident when he got some on this finger and he
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licked it off, which is an insane thing for him to do.
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And he, uh, I mean, you pro- you probably should not have-... sweet and saw the potential in how
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sweet it was, along with having zero calories.
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Mm-hmm.
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Alex might be combining this with the discovery of
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saccharin, which was found in 1879. Constantin
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Fahlberg was working on things that you could do with coal tar derivatives
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and noticed that one of these things was really
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sweet, I think the same way, by like licking his hand. (laughs)
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It turned out to be benzoic sulfimide, which brought us saccharin.
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It is true that part about the breakdown process in your body with aspartame, that it becomes a
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tiny little bit of methanol or wood alcohol.
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This is the case with like some fresh fruits and vegetables though, too.
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Like, they'll break down into methanol in your gut. It's not the same thing as drinking wood alcohol.
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Hmm.
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Methanol itself in some circumstances breaks down into formaldehyde, but this is
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a small concern with drinking way too much stuff that, uh, contains aspartame.
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Mm-hmm.
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But Alex is sensationaling thi- uh, sensationalizing things a little bit here, uh,
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because I think he wants to be interesting. And-
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That does sound like he wants to be interesting.
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Yeah, it's working.
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I wonder if it has... So,
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so, right, so when we watch TV shows that are set in the 1800s, everybody
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washes their hair, you know? We just
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all accept that that's not what they actually look like. It's a TV show. Uh,
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but like, even in my own conception, I have a hard time
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putting together whether or not I think
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maybe everybody has like at least one or two goiters at all times, or there's just like
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pus-filled sacs in armpits. Like, people were
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covered in diseases at all times, right? Or maybe they were fine. I have no idea. But essentially,
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why wouldn't you lick shit off your hand?
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You know what I'm saying? You've got a, (explosion) you've got practically a
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second twin growing out of your neck, and a doctor
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was like, "I'll give you a haircut." You know? Like, what are you gonna do?
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Well, I think
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obviously there's a, there's a big gap between the saccharin in 1879-
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Sure.
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... and 1965.
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There's a little bit.
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With the... So, b- uh, standard-
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Fewer goiters in 1965.
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Standards might be a little bit different in terms of licking your hand in the lab.
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Fair, fair. (laughs)
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Um, but I still think even then, like, you don't know what this does. Don't lick that.
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(laughs) I mean, hey, don't ask me.
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So RFK, his, one of his big, uh, kind of angles is that everything is about all of these toxins-
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Mm-hmm.
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... and all this stuff-
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Sure.
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... and it's causing chronic disease.
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Right.
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And all of us in the medical, uh, all you folk in the medical world-
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Right.
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... you're trying to solve these, uh, medical problems.
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Right.
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And it's rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.
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You're not focusing on the four humors.
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Right.
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We have an imbalance of bile and the green bile and the black bile. Everybody knows this.
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Bingo.
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Yeah.
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So he discusses that a little bit.
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Okay.
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The average person who died from COVID, American, had 3.8 chronic diseases.
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That's right.
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This is an existential threat economically to our military, to our health, to our sense of well-being.
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Designed to do that.
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And it is a priority for President Trump. And that's why he, he asked me
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to run the agency. And if I'm privileged to be confirmed, that's exactly what I'll do.
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(clapping)
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You're rear, you're rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic, and that's
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what the globalists said, Bertrand Russell and others, back in the '40s. They said, "We're gonna
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diet, injections, and injunctions.
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We'll make a rebellion by the proletariat," meaning the common people in Communist parlance,
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"as
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futile as
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sheep rebelling against the practice of eating mutton,"
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which is another name for sheep.
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(laughs)
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Diet, injection, and injunctions.
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And
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Aldous Huxley, his brother ran the UN UNESCO Global Eugenics Society, then
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changed the name to the Transhumanist Society, wrote in '61, Brave New World Revisited, a nonfiction
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book. He said, "Now, Brave New World that I wrote," he said in '31,
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"was based on our plan to poison you and dumb you down so that you would never know what hit you."
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Aldous Huxley didn't say that in Brave New World Revisited.
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Alex has played manipulatively edited clips from a speech that Huxley gave, uh,
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discussing his, uh, reflections on Brave New
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World, and that's the basis for this claim here, which is false.
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Bertrand Russell did not say that the plan was to make, uh, the public pacified by
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diet, injections, and injunctions.
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This is something that Alex is lying about from Russell's book The Impact of Science on Society.
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In the book, he's discussing the serious danger that exists from a combination of
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dictatorship and a scientifically advanced society.
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From the text, quote, "Scientific societies
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are as yet in their infancy. It may be worthwhile to spend a few moments in speculating as to
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possible future developments of those that are oligarchies. It is to be
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expected that advances in psychology, uh, and, uh, phy- uh, physiology will give governments
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much more control over individual mentality
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than they now have even in totalitarian countries. Fitch, uh, laid it down
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that education should aim to destroy, uh, free will
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so that after pupils had left school they shall be incapable
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throughout the rest of their lives of thinking or acting
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otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished."
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Makes sense.
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"But in his day this was an unattainable ideal.
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What he regarded as the best system in existence produced Karl Marx.
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In future such failures are not likely to occur where there is dictatorship.
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Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine from an early age to produce the sort of character,
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uh, and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism
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of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible.
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Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy
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because the government will tell them they are so."
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Russell goes on to suggest that such a society would eventually sterilize
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all but 5% of the males and 30% of the females-
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(laughs)
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... who would be required to spend their lives reproducing.
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Sure.
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The genetic divide between the elites and the
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commoners would expand until they were essentially two separate species.
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Obviously.
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And the idea of revolt among the commoners would, quote,
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"become as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton."
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Mm-hmm.
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This is all very bad for Russell though. He's saying this is a bad thing.
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Yeah.
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And he says, quote, "To prevent these scientific horrors, democracy is necessary but not sufficient.
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There must also be that kind of respect for the individual that inspired the Doctrine of the Rights of Man."
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So these are the kinds of data points that Alex has behind the arguments that he's making.
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These are entirely out of context and misrepresented snippets
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from books that he's never read and he doesn't care to understand at all.
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Yeah.
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But that's
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fine. He remembers the words diet, injections, and injunctions. Uh, he can, uh,
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dazzle people with, uh, pretending that he knows anything.
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You know, I mean-
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What a fucking dick.
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... it, it does help, uh,
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the,
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the reason that we like quotes is because the people who make them have a sense of a phrase.
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You know, that's a very catchable, it gets
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caught in your mind, uh, diet, injunctions, injections. It's li- I like it. Yeah.
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Sure.
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Yeah, Russell had something going there. He should really keep writing.
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Yeah.
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I think he's got a chance.
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Yeah, he could get published.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. (laughs)
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Um, I, I just, I find this stuff such trash.
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Yeah.
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Like, I, I, I
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get it, you gotta appeal to some things and Aldous Huxley is famous, Bertrand Russell is famous.
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You've gotta try and pretend that you know something and,
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and their plan's revealed here, but it's just such trash.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, it is, it is like,
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I, I have to... (laughs) It's not just enough for me to know these people. I have to prove to you how
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smart I am because I truly understand them, and the only way to explain
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that to you is to use your dumb people talk.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know, that's, that's very much like
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mutton, that's another word for sheep.
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Right.
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You know? Th- thank you. You're welcome.
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He, uh-
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Uh, y- I'm at my TED Talk.
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Me and Rogan know that because of the menus at the rich places-
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Yep.
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... that we go and dine, but not you-
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Not you-
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... you commoners.
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... you plebs. Yeah.
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So, uh, I mean, look, all Alex wants to do is watch people fight.
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Mm-hmm.
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And he wants to-
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Yeah.
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... see people fight with Robert Kennedy, and he's so bored when that's not happening.
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It's a damn fact, what we're talking about here.
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They're killing us. It's on purpose.
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Let's go back to the live hearing and see what's happening now.
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I spent 20% of my career working on Native issues.
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My family's been deeply involved with them. My family... My father and uncle were
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big critics of the Indian Health Service, the failure to
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deliver good health, uh,
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results or healthcare on the re- on the reservations. I'm gonna bring
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a Native in for the first time in the history into my central office.
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Uh, that all the major decisions in my office ...
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All right, we've got one of the exchanges, uh, where this, uh, idiot Democrat senator,
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which she had, is just flipping out on Kennedy.
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So bored by the idea that, uh, uh, Kennedy has a sensitivity to Native (laughs) issues and it's-
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Governance is not an exciting thing.
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No.
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No.
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Elections are exciting 'cause you're like, "Ah, we're gonna do
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something!" And you can imagine all the good things that are happening. Governance sucks.
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Mm-hmm.
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It's a job.
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"I'm not going to entirely ignore the concerns of, uh, Native communities."
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Fuck this, I wanna go watch this witch yell.
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That... I mean, honestly, what i- like...
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Great.
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The idea is...
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Uh,
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and I feel stupid for saying this,
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but the idea is
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if your team wins the election,
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then you are excited about the things they're going (laughs) to do.
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Mm-hmm.
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And if they say something like, "Oh, we're gonna help, uh, Indians," you
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cheer. You know, you're in the cheering section, right?
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Well, I think they're more exci- like, a- and you could get this from Alex in the way he's covering this.
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Yeah.
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He's excited about the things that the people he's put into power
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are going to do that will anger other people.
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Yep.
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He wants th- to elicit that reaction in the same way that he, you know,
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relished watching the Hillary, uh, people cry.
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Yep.
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You know, like, he wants that. And he wants these people in the, um, in the confirmation hearing to be like,
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"What the fuck?" They, he wants them to be, uh, he wants to see that reaction.
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Yep. Yep.
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Uh, it's just chaos. He wants chaos.
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"I can't believe I got owned by the right. Ah!"
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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It's not interesting to hear RFK talking about
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something that Alex doesn't give a fuck about.
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Yeah, that actually is a good thing.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So, uh, Steven Crowder shows up.
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Why?
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Analysis.
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Oh, not at, not at the hearing. (laughs)
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No. Alex needs his expert take on...
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I was like, "What the fuck is he doing there?"
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No, no, he's-
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Okay, okay.
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He's on, uh, on air with Alex.
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All right.
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I really wanted to get Steven Crowder to pop in today. He's a busy guy, a good friend of mine, fellow Texan.
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On just n- nine days in, he, what he just
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thinks about Trump, what, uh, his report card, what he thinks is coming
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next. And people need to know, this is not like, "Oh, Republicans got in." This is g- th- this is a
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global political realignment. Things just get crazier from here on out.
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This is not where the election comes and things settle down. You see it, this is a real struggle.
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Steven, great to have you on, my friend. Uh, wow, what is your take on the moment we're in in history right now?
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Well, first off, thank you so much and I'm s-
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I am a couple minutes late because our, our, our clock is a little off. That's,
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um, my fault. R- I've been watching RFK
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today and I tell you what, you know, I'm someone who's not completely
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sold on him, but this is a big deal. Um, what I will say is, and I, I wanna get into all of it, but
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he is the first person I've ever seen willingly give his flash of genius moment. What I mean by that is,
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he told everyone there at that hearing. He said,
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"You know what? You all used to be my friends." You k- and, and
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now, anything that I s- if Donald Trump supports it, you have to, you have to, oh, I'm gonna, you have to, uh,
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denigrate it. He was saying, "Hey, you know what? You're wondering where I've had a change of heart?" And
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he provided that willingly. Boy, I will tell you, that bought a lot of, uh,
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that bought a lot of empathy from me. And you know what? He's sitting there asking
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questions. This is really important right now.
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Yeah, so that moment that Steven Crowder is describing is actually RFK
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Jr. not being able to understand that everyone used to just treat him with
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kid gloves because he was super rich and a Kennedy.
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It wasn't that everyone used to like what he had to
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say and they agreed with him, and now that he's with Trump, they all don't like him.
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It's just that he was part of the super
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rich club before, so the power structures kind of ignored his insanity.
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People were generally humoring RFK, and now we see what the danger in that is.
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This whole, "You all used to be my friends," like, no, th- they were rich.
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There's just, it's just crazy because, like,
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uh, if you've, if you've ever read history, there is just no way of knowing
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that indulging a super rich dilettante, uh, throughout their entire life could someday backfire on you.
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Mm-hmm.
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Especially if they're in a sort of aristocracy.
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Perhaps even a rulership position. It w- it, yeah, how could anyone have seen this coming?
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Mm-hmm. I'd like to try and imagine someone who wasn't Robert F. Kennedy doing the things that he does.
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Yeah.
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Like, not being a Kennedy.
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Like, uh, like, uh, leaving a dead bear in Central Park.
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As a prank.
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As a prank.
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Mm-hmm.
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I, I don't know how we're... I don't know how the country hasn't stopped to deal with that.
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Yeah, we, we should, uh, we should figure some stuff out.
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(laughs) Like, I under- like, we at least had a couple of weeks for 9/11.
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Mm-hmm.
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(laughs)
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So, Crowder is on.
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Yeah.
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And he has some thoughts about how the left operates.
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Oh, they're awful.
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Yeah, they just wanna give money to institutions. Bah.
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Bah. Bah.
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The world view of the left is very clear. Throw more money
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at the same exact structures that exist, because that's more compassionate. Let's
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look at this. Public, uh, Department of Education, how many trillions?
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Worse results. Let's look at Medicare, Medicaid.
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How much more money?
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Worse results. Let's look at the DOJ, let's look at our military. More
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money, worse results. They, however, their world view, their dogma precludes them from
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revolutionizing, innovating. It's, "No, no, no,
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more money will fix the problem, plus we need to give them more money because it's compassion." Of
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course it's ill-gotten gains. It's money stolen from you.
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Plus, exactly, look at the process. They take our money
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and then say, "Oh, school lunches are for poor kids," and now it's for everybody. I- you're domesticated.
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That's not free stuff, they're taking control of us. We're prisoners. In a, in a prison
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you get free food because you're a prisoner, Steven.
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Right, exactly. That's, that's their world view.
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Some people might say that you also get your meals
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paid for when you go on a cruise because it's part of the package.
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Debatably, school lunches might, uh, be seen as part of the package we pay
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for that's, uh, provided to children, um, and maybe
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you get free meals isn't the defining characteristic of a prison.
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This might be superficial analysis that means nothing.
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As for Steven's take on the world view of the
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left, I think he's stupid. Uh, for one thing, he believes that the left is full of Antifa socialist
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revolutionaries who want to bring in world communism, so
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that doesn't really seem like, uh, the business as usual
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throwing more money at the Department of Education.
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Yeah.
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This is stupid.
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Yeah.
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He's n- he's not, uh, he, he's saying that
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his enemy is simultaneously just wants to fund the Department of Education
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and be compassionate, but at the same time,
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they're fucking revolutionaries who are gonna overthrow civilization and turn everything into CHAZ.
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Yeah.
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You know? (laughs)
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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What is it?
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It is, it is so very frustrating to hear, like, this kind of bullshit, because it's like,
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yes, obviously the Department of Education, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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Whatever you wanna say is that this sucks, but, like, if you wanted to
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solve the problems that you are bringing up, right?
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Then let's e- then I would have to tear apart
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each individual strand, and to solve that problem, we would fundamentally remake everything.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know? Like, there's no way to do that without tearing everything apart
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and building it back up, and the person who would get in our way the most is you fucks.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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Yeah. You'll never build anything back up.
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The reason that we are here is to compromise with you idiots to try and get something done.
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Yep.The second death in question was a woman named Tamara Towers Perry, who died
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in October 2024, which is a while before the pardons. She was at the Capitol on January
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6th and shot video of herself there, but was never charged for her
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actions, so she's not even a J6er, according to these people.
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Great.
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On October 1st, people showed up to her house to serve her
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with paperwork, most likely related to the fact that her house was in foreclosure.
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Perry arrived to meet them at the door wielding a shotgun-
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Sure.
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... and according to police, one of the men serving this paperwork shot her
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and killed her. He was not a cop who was serving the paperwork, but he did have a gun.
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She had a shotgun, she had a shotgun, yeah, yeah.
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She answered the door pointing a shotgun at them.
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With a shotgun, yeah, yeah, yeah. That'll happen.
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So Gavin wants to paint the image that two January
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6th participants were killed in the past week to tell the audience that they're
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under threat. The fact that they were involved in January
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6th is supposed to be related to the fact that these- both of these people were killed, and it was e-
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i- it's involved in the fact that they're dead.
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Mm-hmm.
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But if you take a second to consider the facts, this argument falls apart.
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For one, neither death had anything to do with their status as a J6er.
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Second, one of the deaths happened in early October, not in the past week.
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Third, though both deaths were probably avoidable and unnecessary
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tragedies, they both involved circumstances that are not mysterious.
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One was a guy who resisted arrest, and the other was a
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woman who threatened people serving her with paperwork with a shotgun.
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If you know the details, then you hear Gavin present the story the way he does, you have to conclude
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one of two things: either he knows the details too and is willfully
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lying about the story for his own manipulative purposes, or
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he's just seen some dipshit post inaccurate information on social media
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and he doesn't care about this stuff any deeper than that. He'll just repeat whatever works for him.
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Either way, Gavin McInnes is a giant piece of shit that no one should take seriously, and honestly,
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I mean, look, there's no standards, but I think it's embarrassing that Alex is having him on.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I agree.
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(laughs) I think Alex is a- I think Alex should be above this.
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He's an embarrassing little loser, yes.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Oh well.
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Boy, that thing about guns, you got... You know, uh,
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I think, and I don't think this is a controversial thought,
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there are very, very, very few and very specific situations where a gun makes things better.
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Mm-hmm.
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The vast majority... See, the problem is telling the difference between those very, very, very
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few, very, very, very specific situations
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and all other situations, and when people have guns, they tend to make that confusion a lot more damaging.
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Mm-hmm.
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That's what I would say. I don't think
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that, uh, maybe you... uh, there's ever- mayb- you don't need to answer the door with a shotgun.
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Um...
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That's not the most appropriate time for a...
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It's, it's
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probably escalatory.
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Yeah.
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I think... And granted, you know, it's your own house, you have, uh-
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Uh, no, I'm not-
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... you know, stand-your-ground laws or whatever the fuck.
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I'm not saying...
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Uh, your home is your castle and all that nonsense, but, uh, yeah, it seems like
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this is going to... It's gonna heat the pot.
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At the very least-
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It's gonna heat things up.
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... maybe just don't open the door.
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Yeah, maybe.
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I won't open this door. It is locked. Eh?
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So Alex has a complaint about how the left people on Twitter and stuff and all the social media.
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Yeah.
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And I think it's an interesting complaint.
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Yeah, 'cause it's about him. (laughs)
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You've seen the blowing up and now these women particularly, uh, are- are all over
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the internet. Like I'm not even looking for it and I
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see it. They're like, "Oh, Trump's going down. He's gonna get arrested.
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It's all over." Or, you know, "He's gonna get assassinated tomorrow."
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And they are just full-on delusional.
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The allegations are s- are so mentally ill
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that I wanna, like, talk to them and understand what the hell they're talking about.
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So Alex should be careful about this criticism here.
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It's easy to mock people holding out hope that some magical
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solution is gonna present itself and solve the problem of Trump being president, like people on
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Twitter thinking that he's gonna be arrested or killed,
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but this mockery cuts both directions. Alex sells his audience
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exactly the same thing, just in different packaging. He also spends
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so much time obsessing about the idea that Trump could be killed. The
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only difference is that Alex is exploiting his audience's
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fear, as opposed to the other side trying to capitalize on misguided hope.
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And to illustrate this point, I'd like to take you on a little time travel adventure.
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Let's take a look.
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All the way back to six minutes before this last clip that I played.
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Six minutes before this last clip? Okay.
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And, and we don't keep pushing, uh, this is not a normal election, this is just us, uh, uh, you know,
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turning the tide, then we're gonna be just like Bolsonaro, they're gonna-
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they're gonna steal it again, they're gonna kill Trump. Uh, g- you're s-
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really s- I mean smart guy on so many fronts
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and a visionary.
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What are you most concerned about with Trump? Because he's
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o- obviously all in, hitting on all cylinders, he's the real deal, born again hard, knows that this is his one
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shot to turn things around, but we have to understand, we've gotta back him.
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What else do you think the bad guys may pull?
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They're- They're gonna try to kill him. They tried to do it twice
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and they're not gonna stop. That doesn't end. You don't get over
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an assassination and just relax and go, "Well, I blew it. Uh, I guess I won't kill him anymore."
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Yeah, you ding-dongs are just playing the same game. You understand it.
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Yep.
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You know what you're doing.
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Yeah.
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Shut the fuck up.
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Yep.
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Anyway, um, you ever read the New York Magazine?
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Uh, I don't know if I've ever read it from cover to cover, but I do know it exists, yes.
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Mm-hmm.
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Uh-huh.
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How's it doing?
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Well, they recently put out, uh, a version
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issue.
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(laughs)
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Yeah, a version. (laughs)
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And, uh, it's gotten, uh, the people on the right a little bit mad.
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Uh-oh.
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Yeah.
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What'd they do?
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Well, apparently they had... They took a picture of a Trump party.
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Uh-huh.
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And they cropped out the Black people in it.
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Motherfuckers.
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Right.
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There were so many too, 'cause when you, uh,
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when you crop a photo, you- you can crop out individual... You know, it's not like there would be just
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one section where all the Black people are-
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No.
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... and then the rest of them would be white people, making it very, very easy
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to crop out all the Black... That would be crazy. They'd be intermingled.
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Well, G- Gavin has some- has some thoughts about this issue.
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Oh, okay.
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And I- uh, and one of the thoughts is that he really wants to
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fuck the lady on the cover of this magazine. (laughs)
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That'll help.
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And the- the New York Magazine you're talking about, New Yorker,
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it- the- The Cruel Kids, they- they called it, and they cropped out the Blacks, as you say, and you look at the
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picture and there's no Black people there. Your old instinct would be like, "Wait, wait, it's cropped."
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Old instinct.
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"There were tons of Black people there." Now you just laugh
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and you go, "Those- those kids look great. That chick in the bottom left, she's like a 9.2."
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Yeah. I'm about to say-
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Thanks to her hip piece.
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... she's, uh... I'm- I'm married, but I mean, uh, admire God's creation, she's luscious.
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Can we pull that up, please? Let's admire that woman.
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God forbid if my wife was to die.
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Let's just put her on the screen for the rest of the show.
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If my wife was to die in a plane crash, God forbid, I would obviously go
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through a period of mourning, at least
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a year, and then I would maybe be willing to go on a date with her, we'll see if we have things in common.
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Well, look how happy she looks and she's just a
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goddess. She looks like they got a sticker on top the Capitol or something.
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She's so healthy. Look how-
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Mmm.
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... healthy. This is a hit piece you're reading, by the way. This is supposed to make you hate them.
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So this is something that Alex has been complaining about for a bit, but I don't really
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care. The New York Magazine ran a cover photo that was headlined "The Cruel Kids Table" about
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young Trump supporters. The article covers an influencer party from the night before
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the inauguration, and it doesn't say that everyone there was white, but that it was almost all white people.
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There's a wide shot of the cover, what ended up being the cover, that's published in the story
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and on the online edition of the piece, but it was cropped for the
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cover image, and folks like Alex and Gavin have decided that it was cropped to remove Black people
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to push that narrative, some sort of certain narrative.
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Sure.
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The image is cropped how it was for pretty clear reasons.
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The picture has a natural center, which is a guy in a tux and his friends posing
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for a picture, which includes this lady that Alex and Gavin have a boner for.
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Great.
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There are many editorial reasons why the image would be cropped this way, but of course, these guys know
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better and it's just another attack on the white man.
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That'll happen.
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Also, why is Alex pretending he's not in the middle of a divorce?
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He's free to lust after this young lady if he wants.
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He doesn't have to do this family man shtick. The fuck is wrong with him?
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Ah, (sighs) I don't know.
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And, you know, sometimes they just remind you
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that if you wanted to, like, really-... dig back into the past and the, like,
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causes and effects and the causes and effects and just
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follow that trail. You get back to a little website that's about whether
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or not your college friends are hot or not.
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Mm-hmm. Yeah.
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You know? It all goes back there, and then they just bring that back right up to the present day
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and you're like, "We should have, we could have learned."
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Mm-hmm.
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"We could have learned."
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They could have cut it off when it was the Facebook.
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Could have been like, "Oh, hot or not? Unacceptable is what it is."
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Mm-hmm.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yup.
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So, uh, they talk a little bit more about this, uh, New York Magazine article.
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Mm-hmm.
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And, uh, uh, Gavin's just like, I don't know, he's, he's trying to be shocking and, uh-
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Sure.
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... offensive.
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Sure, he's doing the thing.
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It's just blah.
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Mm-hmm.
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And, and s- a- another, another allegation is that someone brought a dog and it, it
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went to the bathroom on the carpet. Oh, no.
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And then s- other people are, like, jumping
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through the velvet ropes and she goes, "I'm sneaking in like a little Mexican." Or
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someone else said, "Ah, this is retarded." And as he, this, it's written by this trans
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freak, and as he's writing it, he specs, uh, he expects us all
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to go, "Oh, my Lord." But those are ancient tropes. Those are all
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dead. You're talking about meat on a rhino skull that has long been devoured by beetles. And
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we just laugh when we see it now, so they're,
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they really are out of steam. I don't know. The, the, it's, it's, it is a golden age.
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What Gavin means that, is that there's no longer a social cost to being a bigot.
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That's what he's celebrating. There's no higher
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value or accomplishment that's been reached. No one's life is materially better for it.
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It's just fine to say slurs in public
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now. There's no reason you should worry about people
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judging you for expressing hate. There's no social cost.
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I have no idea what he's talking about with that dog thing, but the other part is referring to
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this in the article. Quote, "This set's most
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visible political stance is a reaction to what it sees as the
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left's puritanical obsessions with policing language
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and talking about identity. A joke about Puerto Ricans or
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eugenics or sleeping with Nick Fuentes could throw a
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pack of smokers outside Butterworth's into a giggle
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fest. Recounting her time at one of the balls, a woman tells me that she
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jumped the velvet rope into a VIP section, quote, 'Like a little Mexican.' Then she lets out a cackle.
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This is the posture that has attracted newcomers to the cause."
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Quote, "'Six months into Biden being president, I was like, I can't fucking do this anymore,'
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says a 19-year-old New Yorker who once quite literally
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had blue hair and attends Marymount Manhattan, which he describes as 70% women and 23% t-slur.
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He had supported Biden, but, quote, 'I hate
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watching, uh, the things I say. I took a much further horseshoe around this time.'
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Later, a former Bernie supporter who looked like m- uh, most Bernie-supporting people
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one could imagine with long, curly hair
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and a plaid shirt told me the same. He wanted the freedom to say F and R." (laughs) But not, uh, yeah.
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No, no, no. I understand.
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The article itself is actually kind of an interesting discussion about this uptightness about language.
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I'll read to you one of the closing paragraphs. Quote,
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"It's true that over the past few months since Trump was reelected, I'd begun to feel these young
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conservatives' influence seeping into my own political circles, uh, like the substance. We no longer, uh,
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had any patience for the identity warriors on our timelines.
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A friend and I started swapping Megyn Kelly, uh,
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on Instagram. Uh, we thought they were hilarious. Uh, our favorite was her take on the fires in LA.
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Quote, 'The last thing I wanna see if I'm in a burning building is, A, a woman and, B, an obese woman.'
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I was unleashed. The R word, fat jokes. No one, not even the bleeding hearts I know, ever
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seemed to get all that offended. The only time I lost friends in the past, uh,
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f- year for political reasons was debating the war in Gaza
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and mostly, even if they wouldn't say it themselves, they chuckled.
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'Oh my God, you're tacky for that one,' one would text me back
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in those moments. It felt freeing, empowering, though perhaps in the same way that bullying
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someone does when you're in middle school."
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It would do Gavin some good to reflect a little bit on this
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aspect of his whole thing, but he can't really afford to at this
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point. His entire business model is built on the foundation of being a middle school bully, so the way
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that this article in the New York Magazine is actually
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kind of wrestling with, uh, you know, uptightness about language-
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Sure.
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... the ways in which
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people who seem to really
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relish this or really just
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kind of
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enjoying bullying people, it's, it's unhealthy.
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Yeah.
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It's freeing in an unhealthy way, maybe.
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I mean, nobody's ever st- nobody's ever stopped you. You could always say the words.
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Mm-hmm.
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You could say them right now if you wanted to.
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Yeah.
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Why?
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And Gavin always has.
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Yeah, like, what, uh, it's just there's no reason to or not to.
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Right.
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Like, that, b- like, it's, f-
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okay. I, I get that you're, you're not allowed to say fuck on TV, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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And then whenever we're doing standup, there were people who would be like,
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"You shouldn't say fuck. You can't work blue," which great.
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Mm-hmm.
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Whatever. (laughs) I can't believe that we lived back in those days. Uh, but yeah, so that happened
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and it's like it, it doesn't mean anything more or less.
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No.
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You could say, uh, F slurs on stage, but not fuck.
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Mm-hmm.
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It's just you could still say fuck-
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Right.
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... on stage, but there would just be different things that happened. Like, it didn't matter.
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Right.
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You weren't cool or not cool, you were just saying it.
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Yeah.
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Or not saying it.
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The, the battle that Gavin and his dipshit friends have been
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fighting is essentially removing the su- uh, social costs-
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Sure.
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... of saying, uh, these kind of slurs and, and behaving in these ways.
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Yeah.
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Because they, they're acting like it's a free speech thing
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and everybody should be able to say whatever they want.
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Right.
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But in reality, it's, it's
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basically meant to mask people
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having really serious intention-
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Yeah.
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... of excluding
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certain groups of people from the public space.
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Yeah.
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Um, and you can pretend all you want-
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Yeah.
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... that, uh, like it's, uh, we're being funny and, but it's not.
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I mean, like the-
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It's not.
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... the, the concept behind it that they're undermining, that they
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obviously would un- wouldn't understand because they were lying, is that
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they were the ones who were being excluded.
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Mm-hmm.
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You, you're excluding us by getting rid of us just because we love calling you slurs.
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Mm-hmm.
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That's, that's rude. We're being excluded
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and now that the, now that we're in the other situation, they're like,
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"Isn't it great we get to call people slurs and they can't do anything to..." Like, uh, what are you doing?
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Yeah, and I mean, like, the, uh, if, if he'd read that full article, he would have heard
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this perspective of, "Hey, look. S- you know, my friends aren't
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really all that offended by any of this nonsense."
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No.
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And, and s- no one really is all that sensitive-
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Right.
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... generally speaking, but they are sensitive to,
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you know, the public.
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You're not being edgy.
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No.
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No one gives a shit.
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There's not, there's not really that much edge here.
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This is your identity. This is about you.
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Yeah.
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Stop making it about other people.
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Yeah, I mean, you have censored.tv is your website.
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What are we doing?
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It's all you need to know.
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Yeah, grow up.
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So, um,
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Paul F. Tompkins probably.
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Sure.
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Um,
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Bob Odenkirk maybe.
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Of course.
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David Cross.
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Definitely three people who have did
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some work together possibly with another person who was at January 6th.
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Uh, John Ennis.
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Not him.
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No?
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Nope.
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Tom Kenny.
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(laughs) Nope, Tomcat's not there. (laughs)
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Uh-
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(laughs)
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... Mary Lynn Rajskub.
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Definitely not. She was in 24. (laughs)
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Um,
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let's see. Who else?
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(laughs)
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Patton Oswalt was in one episode of Mr. Show. Jack Black was in a couple.
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Sure, sure.
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Uh...
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Nope, still off the hook.
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(laughs)
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Um, Scott Aukerman?
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Sure, definitely.
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B.J. Novak?
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Absolutely.
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Um...
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Nope, none of these people at J6.
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This is a list of people who will not stand up for Jay Johnston. (laughs)
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(laughs)
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Hollywood, uh, and not just the elites. Like, even the cool
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hipster crowd. There was, uh, a benefit for, um, comedians who were suffering
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and, uh, they didn't include Jay Johnston even though the people who were doing the benefit were
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members of his...... Show, Mr. Show, and they, they excluded-
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His show?
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... him from the J6er even though no one needs
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more money th- in the Hollywood comedy scene than him. So, th- all of these cool Hollywood comedians,
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they will be the last to give it up. Uh, of course, judges
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in our polluted justice system. Like, with Nick Oaks, who I,
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I believe you've had on, Nick Oaks has been... He beat the case.
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It wasn't pardoned. This is before pardoning. He beat the case, and now his judge is saying,
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"Well, okay, you beat that charge. I'm gonna bring nine new charges."
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This has never been done in American history, where a
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dead case all of a sudden comes back to life with new random charges thrown in.
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Be- because our justice system is, is Venezuelan.
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No, you're right. You're right. It's gonna be the lawfare-
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There'll still be settlements.
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... and, and, and the fake charges, but he's purging
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the Justice Department, so that's good. Why... Here's a great example of Hollywood
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and being the Japanese, uh, or soldier
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29 years after the War Band Law, still thinking the war was going. Look at the new Captain America,
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'cause they wanna kill the box office.
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Oh, my God. (laughs)
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'Cause you know what he's told to do to get the ESG score through BlackRock.
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I- eh- he says,
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"C- Captain America has nothing to do with America,
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doesn't represent America." It's like saying Michael
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Jordan isn't associated with basketball. W- I mean, what the hell?
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He just ruined his movie. And 'cause he's clinging to this idea. He assumes, by
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the way, that everyone else hates America as much as him
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and this won't hurt the sales. Dude, you just tanked your movie-
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Yeah.
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... to virtue signal.
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To virtue signal, man. Um, I'd like to apologize. It was B.J. Porter, not B.J. Novak. I mean-
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I was gonna say, I, I realized that later.
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... knew that immediately he was coming to kind of laugh.
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I was like, no, that's The Office. Yeah.
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So, there's no reason that people on Mr.
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Show need to support Jay Johnson if they don't wanna be part of his whole
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trying to overthrow an election thing. This kinda
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comes off as whiny entitlement from Gavin here, and I, I f- I feel like
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it's kind of against his brand. (laughs)
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There's a slight difference in being like, "Oh, let's do a benefit for
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comedians who are struggling in the aftermath of one of the worst
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natural disasters that they've ever had to experience," and then, like, "But also, we should support
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a comedian who tried to overthrow the United States government."
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Now, I, I guess if Jay Johnson lost his home, uh, in a fire, uh, like, then maybe he should be part of a-
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Uh, yeah, no, I-
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... beneficiary of the funds that people are raising money for.
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I'd still... Yeah. Of course, I'd still regardless of what happened to J6, but you're asking for-
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But you don't have to, you don't have to help him raise his legal fees.
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These are the consequences of your actions, not of fire!
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Yeah, yeah.
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No.
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So also, Gavin is lying through his teeth about Nick Oaks.
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He didn't beat his case. I'm just gonna read you here this from the DOJ press release.
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Okay.
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Quote, "Nicholas Oaks, 36, of Honolulu, pleaded guilty on
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September 9th, 2022 in the District of Columbia to obstruction of an official proceeding
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and was sentenced today to 48 months in prison, followed by 36 months
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of supervised release. Oaks entered the
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Capitol unlawfully. He recorded himself smoking cigarettes in the Capitol."
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Sure.
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"He recorded his friend writing, 'Murder the
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media,' on the Chestnut-Gibson Memorial Door to the Capitol."
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That'll happen.
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"He rummaged through a cop's duffle bag-"
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Sure.
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"... and stole a pair of handcuffs."
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All right.
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"And then he recorded himself saying, quote, 'Sorry we couldn't go
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live when we stormed the fucking US Capitol and made Congress flee.'"
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In retrospect, that does sound bad.
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It looks bad.
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Yeah.
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Nick was super guilty, and that's why he pled guilty.
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Yeah.
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And then Trump pardoned him, so Gavin's wrong and lying about everything here.
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Wow.
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As for these new charges, him and his friend were charged with a new
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superseding conspiracy charge based on some
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new evidence. Some of the new information that was learned from this case, uh,
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Nick threw smoke grenades at cops at the Capitol.
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Sure.
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In advance of the day, uh, he texted his friend, quote, "The
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odds are with us because of the Supreme Court, boys. I'm pro-violence, but don't blow your load too soon."
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Well-
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He also, uh, livestreamed himself saying, quote, "Viewers, we have some
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good news. We have just, uh, peeked through this window, and on the television, the
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headline reads that Congress stopped the
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vote when we stormed the Capitol. And as we've been saying all day, we came here to stop the steal."
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That really goes a long way toward proving conspiracy.
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Dan-
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Uh, intent, premeditation, planning, all of that shit.
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Also, Oaks is the, uh, founder of the Hawaii branch of the Proud Boys, so
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Gavin's a little bit personally invested.
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Yeah, no, that makes, that makes sense. I... Yeah, that one does track now. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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Yeah, I guess, I guess my, my vibe has always been, like...
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All right, so you're the rebels, right? You're trying to defeat the Empire.
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You lose.
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You don't take down the Death Star. You get captured. The, the Moon
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base explodes. Everybody's fucked. And then y- you, but they're not like,
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"Well, why did we get in trouble?"
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Right.
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"The law said..." Nah, you fucking tried.
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Mm-hmm.
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Eat it, you know? You win or you die. This is the problem.
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Yep.
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This is the problem with the Game of Thrones, Dan! (laughs)
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Mm-hmm.
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No, that's th- not the problem with it.
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Exactly! That's the one problem the Game of Thrones does not have!
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Yeah. (laughs)
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(laughs)
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That's...
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(laughs)
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The most important rule seems to have been lost on us.
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I mean, th- th- (sighs) there's a piece of me that, that agrees with that.
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(laughs)
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But then I got lost in thought when you're comparing them to the rebels-
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(laughs)
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... of how fucking sad it would be if there's just, like,
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a hologram of someone being like, "Gavin McInnes, you're our only hope." (laughs)
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Oh, my God. Oof.
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How fucking much of a bummer?
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Let's not think about the future.
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Cat turd, we like you for now.
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(laughs) A long, long time ago.
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Yeah. (laughs)
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(laughs)
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We need RFK.
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Oof.
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Bummer.
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So, um, Gavin has some complaints-
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Yeah.
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... about arguing with the left.
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Sure.
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And I think a little bit of this
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is projection.
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Mm.
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I don't, I don't like how we have to know
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their misconceptions, 'cause they'll bring up things in a debate
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and you'll go, "Wait, what? I never heard that," and then you have to go
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look it up and realize, oh, no, that's BS. Like,
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Trump reads Hitler before he goes to
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bed. Like, Obama apprehended 10,000 illegals and deported them. Like, uh,
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uh,
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Obama had the greatest success rate
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out of any president ever. They... Liberals lie so much and it's so disingenuous
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that you end up after a debate with a homework assignment. And it's exhausting.
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No, you're right. They have all these
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cannons that aren't based in truth. Alex Jones peed on graves, or sent people to,
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and we get him on the stand and they go, "Who peed?" "We don't know. Wh-
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somebody told me." "Well, who told you?" "I
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don't know." And it's just, it's just a cannon. It's just a... Trump
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said all Hispanics are evil. Where's the video?
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So now you have to know what they're talking about. Like, when they, when they said all that stuff that, that
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the, the Howard Stern guy imitating you said. You have to be familiar with that Howard Stern episode now
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and say, "No, no, no. That's a misconception. That was a comedian
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doing an imitation of me. I never said that." Why do I even think-
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Wow, you're sophisticated. I never told that story, 'cause I forget about it.
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Yeah, one of the myths that I did all this was Howard Stern, himself and a guest, sat there in my
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voice saying horrible things about the dead kids, and then that just becomes something, too.
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It shows up in court.
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So, it really feels like this would be a good time to bring up a podcast that's been running for over eight
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years which includes a host who consulted with one of the Sandy Hook cases.
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Sure.
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But, oh well.
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Nah, doesn't seem important.
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Gavin and Alex are engaging in pure projection here.
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The only way they're able to make any
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points at all is by creating an entirely imaginary world that their arguments get to live in, full of
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code and lore that no one outside of this bubble understands.
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If you're someone who took human trafficking seriously but didn't engage with right-wing misinformation
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circles in social media, you'd have
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no idea what they were talking about when they started grandstanding about 300,000 missing
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kids from the border. It's shorthand for Alex and Gavin, but if
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you don't know what their narrative is about this, it's very difficult to respond to it on the fly.
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They exploit this dynamic as a matter of policy, and now
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I guess Gavin wants to pretend everyone else is, is guilty of it.
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But essentially, he's describing what the experience of listening to Alex's stupid show is.
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Yeah.
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You have a homework assignment 'cause you... All this nonsense
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shit he's rattling off.
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Yep, yep.
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Some of the examples that are used here are that, like, Alex
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peed on someone's grave. No one's ever
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seriously alleged this. One of the parents of a child who was killed at Sandy Hook
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testified that they'd received harassing
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mail claiming that the person had peed on their child's grave and that they were going to dig it
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up.Alex knows this is monstrous stuff, and that the person who was terrorizing this
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parent this way was doing so because they
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were convinced of conspiracies about crisis actors that he profited from promoting. It would be a serious
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blow to Alex's ego to accept that he did that, and that
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this is a side effect of that, that this parent experienced something that no one should ever have to feel.
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So instead of taking that blow to the ego, he's come up with a fake version of the accusation
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that he uses as a straw man to defend himself.
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Alex says that he's never peed on a child's grave because
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it's unrelated to what he's actually accused of, and
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it allows him to portray his critics as sensationalists.
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And I can say with a great deal of certainty, because
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I've seen a ton of the evidence and discovery material,
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nothing that Alex was accused of in any of these lawsuits
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traces back to something that an impressionist said on Howard Stern's show.
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Hmm.
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This is coward bullshit.
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Yeah.
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Fucking seriously. Come on, guys.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, this is ridiculous.
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What are you doing?
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I mean, I do think that he points out a very obvious problem with debate culture, though.
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Mm-hmm.
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It's very simple and easy to go, like, "Yeah, yep, that's a massive flaw, maybe we shouldn't do that."
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Yeah. No. I- it's, uh, it- it is, uh, h- he- he- he- he points to
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w- why there will be no, um, sort of friction between false realities.
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Yeah.
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Or unshared realities.
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Yeah.
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If there is no reality, then my version of it stands.
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You've got your guys, I've got my guys. When I read my guys, they
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make me sound smart. When you read your guys, they make you sound smart.
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And I'll-
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Never the twain shall meet.
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And I'll yell at you about my guys...
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Yep.
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... w- when we encounter each other...
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Yep.
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... and then hooray.
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That'll be it.
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No one gets anything done.
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Nope.
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Everyone gets hurt.
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Yep.
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So, these people are- are cool.
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They're actually very cool.
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And s-
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And it's very important you know that.
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And socially forward-thinking!
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Of course they are!
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Yeah!
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They drive the culture!
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They don't really care what you do in your bedroom.
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Absolutely not! Progress is about killing the... Wait, what were we talking about?
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I think- I think Gavin might, uh, accidentally reveal he cares a little bit.
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Oh, yeah?
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Yeah.
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Huh.
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And a big thing this cult does, too, is they start with these really
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simple motherhood statements, these platitudes like "Love is love."
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And you go, "That sounds reasonable
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to me." So a gay man loves a gay man, shouldn't they be able to be together? And
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I think we're all pretty socially liberal in 2025, so we go,
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"Yeah, I mean, as long as they're not hurting anyone, sure." And then you start
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seeing the corruption creep in, where they're terrorizing some Christian baker
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or some Christian venue for weddings, and you realize, and their divorce rate is like
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95%, and they don't, uh, they're not interested in
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And they're adopting kids...
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And they're not monogamous.
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... in many r- cases to rape them and put them in sex rings.
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And you go, wait a minute, you lied. You said, "Love is love."
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Just gonna say that.
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I
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believed you.
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So love isn't love, then. So that w- you don't beli- you're not- you- you don't believe that, uh,
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any of th- that was all a trick, right? That's what- that's what your position is?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. You fooled me...
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(laughs)
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... by making me believe that you were like me, but it turns out you're corrupt and evil.
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Hmm.
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So
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all of the things that I feel like I wanted to do to you back then that I felt bad about wanting to do to you...
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I should do those.
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Now I feel very justified in doing them.
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I have cr-
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All because of something that has nothing to do with you whatsoever.
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I have created a system wherein my bigotry is justified.
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Funny how that works.
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I don't have to feel bad about all this shit.
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It is really funny how that works.
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Congratulations!
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Yeah.
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Wow. And who would have thought it- it would take a genius like Gavin to-
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(laughs)
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... to come up with... (laughs)
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It is so crazy how it turns out that the smart th-
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here's what's crazy about all of these people that I've experienced so far up to this point, is it's so
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crazy how it turns out the thing that they want the most in life
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also happens to be the smartest thing that only rational people would believe.
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And the only right thing.
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The only right thing.
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Right.
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In fact, it's obvious that the thing that they want specifically
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for them, that would hurt a ton of other people, of course...
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Mm-hmm.
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... but for their own good...
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Mm-hmm.
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... uh, is also the smartest and best thing to do.
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Right.
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(laughs)
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And- and- and, like, this formulation that he's making is like, ah, yes, it sounds
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like a- a path someone might go down, but like...
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I'm such a reasonable person.
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But, like, you didn't think "Love is love" sounded right to begin with.
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Nope.
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You were mad about that then...
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Yep.
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... and now you've figured out a way to justify an- a- a- and
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there's no social cost for being just outwardly homophobic...
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Nope.
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... uh, in this wa- so
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you can just do it.
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Yeah.
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Gavin can just do it.
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You know, I wonder how much of this really is, like,
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a lot of what we're experiencing is a reaction to the internet. It's a reaction to people...
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Some of it.
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... who would otherwise never have known these other people existed
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suddenly being forced into the same public square and realizing that we should not live together. (laughs)
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Well, I think- I think- I think probably there's some
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little piece of that, but then there's another piece of it that more closely implicates
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Gavin, which is, like, the internet has allowed a lot of people who are vapid and, uh,
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really not that talented...
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Mm.
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... to create, uh, attention-grabbing stuff.
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Yeah.
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You know, there's a way to hijack people's attention and make a lot of money off that.
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Yeah.
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And-
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and Gavin's an example of someone who does that in a- in a way that, um,
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is, it- it- it- it- it tends towards bigotry.
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Yeah.
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So...
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Yeah. I mean, it's...
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And- and the internet wou- wouldn't- it wouldn't w- exist without the internet.
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It's the people who have an instinct towards exploiting anything
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that found the- exploiting the internet to be the greatest gold mine that's ever been.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So, um, Gavin is a little bit worried.
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Yeah.
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But not about, uh, not about Trump, not really- not worried about
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all that stuff. He's worried that his enemies are too weak.
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Oh, that sucks. I hate it when that happens.
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Yeah.
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I'll tell you what. I'm more concerned (laughs) about the liberals.
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I want a better sparring partner. I'm embarrassed for them. Say you knew a gang, like the
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Hells Angels, and their- their worst
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adversary, their biggest rival, was a bunch of eight-year-olds on BMX bikes. That would look
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bad on the Hells Angels. And right now, our enemies are such complete losers
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that it's almost making us look bad. Like, hey, liberals out there...
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Almost?
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... focus on our weak points. We are awarding
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CEOs like $800 million when they bankrupt a country, and this is when
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the employees of that company can't feed their kids.
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That's a good attack on us and capitalism.
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Uh, talk about our incompetent healthcare system
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that both the left and the right is terrible at. Republicans haven't fixed healthcare.
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Why don't you attack us on that? Uh, attack Trump on infrastructure.
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Half the roads in this country look like they're in Iraq. We-
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did we even fix the Baltimore Bridge yet? What is that? Is it a rope bridge? Like, there's intelligent
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leftist things. I'm at the point now where
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Bernie Madoff, who is just like a special needs person who doesn't know what a calculator is, i-
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he's the smart- he's the intellectual of the left. That's how bad things are.
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You're right.
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So guys, come at us with something good.
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I think he meant Bernie Sanders. Um, but...
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That- that makes way more sense.
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Yeah.
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'Cause I was, like, really confused about that.
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Very.
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I thought my n- my news... Yeah, okay.
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So this is cute, but Gavin's kinda giving up the game here.
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There are plenty of people on the left who criticize the government for all of the things that he's bringing
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up. He's pretending that voice doesn't exist, and it's a shame, because he could really use that
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tool to keep his debating skills sharp.
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But the reality is that he exists in a no-man's land of ideas.
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Very few people who take any of this shit seriously would
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ever talk to him, which leaves his sparring partner roster filled mostly with people who
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do this stuff primarily for attention and clicks.
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That pool is probably gonna be largely disappointing, and if Gavin wasn't
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Gavin, he might have access to a better list of folks to debate. But
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he has to understand that the low quality of people who would associate with him
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is kind of his own fault. He's an embarrassing dude, to the point where even
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winning a debate against him is kind of a net negative, because you had to be
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there. You had to be involved in that... (laughs)
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Yeah.
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... with him, and that... I don't know if there's a lot of people who really
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want to do that.
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Yeah. You know, I was thinking about this, 'cause this reminded me of, uh, uh...
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... the, the Greenwald
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conversation. The, the, whenever we, it, I,
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I harassed Greenwald for a while.Mm-hmm.It reminded me of that because it's like,
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only an idiot would fight with me.
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So, the only people who wanna fight with me are idiots. You know? Like,
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yeah, Gavin, I understand that you don't
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hear intelligent arguments a lot, maybe, if that's your even premise.
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But that's because nobody wants to speak to you.
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Mm-hmm.
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So, whomever is speaking to you, it's a very self-selected pool of arguments that you might get.
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Right.
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You know?
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And, and like, you, he, he also is self-selecting in that he doesn't wanna have, like, a
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serious, dry conversation with someone who will push back, uh, accurately on-
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Yeah.
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... these points a- and, and the things that are a problem about him. He
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wants to go and, like, yell at destiny or something like that.
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Yep.
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That's fine.
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I wanna feel smart for saying things.
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Yeah.
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I don't want to have to think about things.
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Yeah.
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No.
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That's the level of, of sh-... And don't d- don't lament it. That's the, that's the course that you've taken.
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Th- that's the thing that you like to do.
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Yes.
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Like, the idea of, like, "Oh, I'm learning." Learning something is not something they like to do.
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Right. Gavin exists to be the third interview that Ye does after he decides he's a Nazi-
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Yep.
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... and starts wearing a, a-
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That's what you're for, buddy.
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... mask over his face.
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Yep.
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He's the third guy that Ye will go to.
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Are we back at... Has he wear- has he, is he wearing the mask again yet?
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No, I don't think so.
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Ah, shit.
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But, but back when he did, Gavin was number three.
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Number three.
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So close to number two.
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Ooh.
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But sorry, Tim Pool, uh, is-
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Man, what a sad-
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... is, is higher up on the ladder.
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... sad life.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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So, uh, he talks a little bit about who really got Trump elected.
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Uh, okay.
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And, um,
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yeah. It's like-
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Aliens?
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No.
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Oh.
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You know, the, the guys who got Trump elected, you said I helped
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at the beginning of the show, and I'm, I'm sure that's true, but who really pushed him over the edge
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is these kids that no one's seen. They're predominantly white.
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Mm-hmm.
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They're pr- mostly Christian. You know, they don't drink that much. They're, they're like 18 to 22.
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And the only time you saw them during of the election was that one kid who was screaming at the mayor
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of... Was it Philadelphia? I forget the town. But he was... The, the mayor was trying to
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play with the barricades to stop people
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from having this Trump rally. And this guy
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was probably 19. He was tearing the mayor a new ass. And I met these kids.
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I hung out with them. They didn't wanna party as much as I did. And they were working like 19-hour days
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nonstop the whole time. They set up MSG. They s-
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they set up, uh, uh, all the rallies. They're the ones behind the scenes.
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And they were workaholics who got that, made sure that the trains run on time during that campaign.
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And these cruel kids at the table are our future, and we have to sorta humble ourselves
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and say, "Hey, you guys are winning the culture war. What should we do?"
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So, he, he mentions the cruel kids at the table, which is the New York Magazine article.
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Sure.
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That they were so
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mad-
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Furious.
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... that the, the article said that there was mostly white people.
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Yeah.
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But Gavin just said that these are mostly white people.
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Well, they're mostly white people.
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And then he, he's like, "They're the people who set up the Madison Square Garden rally."
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Sure.
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Which was a very obvious homage to-
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Nazi.
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... the Bund.
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Yep.
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Uh, and then he said he made the trains run on time to Mussolini-
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Yep, that was obviously a reference to, uh, another n- another, uh, fascist.
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Yeah.
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You know.
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Um, I, I think it's pretty obvious what he's saying.
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It does feel very, um... I don't know if you've ever wa-... You know what I
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like? I like, uh, Penn & Teller's Fool Us show.
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Mm-hmm.
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Where, uh, magicians show up on stage and they try and
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fool Penn and Teller. They've got years of experience in magic. You can't fool Penn and Teller.
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You can, though.
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Sometimes you can, you know? Uh, uh, and then, but if you can't fool
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Penn and Teller, then Penn will give you like a little
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speech at the end where he'll be very complimentary, but he'll sneak in a bunch of like,
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"Oh, I see that that was a face palm thing." And you're like, "Ah, he knows that he's palming cards."
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Mm-hmm.
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"That's how he knows the thing that's going on." It does not take, uh, several-
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Nah.
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... decades of expertise in history, or magic, or...
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Really it takes having seen like a Bruce Willis movie to be like, "Oh, that's Nazi shit right there." Yeah.
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It's really, it's pretty overt that he's like-
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Yeah.
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... "The Hitler Youth did it." (laughs)
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Yeah, that's, uh, that's about as Nazi shit as it gets, yeah.
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Great.
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There you go, buddy.
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So, Alex loves
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one thing.
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Yep.
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Elon Musk.
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God dammit, I hate that we live in this world.
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Now, here's the problem.
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Yeah?
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Gavin-
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He's the worst? (laughs)
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Well, yeah. This is the second problem.
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Okay.
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Gavin's still not back on Twitter.
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Oh.
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Thanks for having me, Alex. I'll definitely, uh, hook up with you when I'm in Austin next. And
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Compound Censored is on Twitter, but I'm still banned.
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gavin_mcinnes, still banned, still too controversial for X.
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Wait a minute, you're still banned on, on X?
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Yeah, my company's in, but Gavin personally, I had
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quarter million followers, and Elon thinks I'm too controversial.
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I don't think it's come to his attention. I, I, in fact, I'm gonna put a video out-
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He doesn't care.
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... a- about this, like, uh-
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Please do.
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Oh yeah, please. Uh, b- you can't possibly know about that. Oo-oo-uh,
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Elon loves free speech. Yeah, shit, Gavin McInnes is still blocked. Oh, no.
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It shouldn't be that hard. It shouldn't even, it shouldn't even be an issue. Alex should just be like,
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"Oh yeah, he doesn't give a shit about you."
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Yeah.
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"You're nothing to him."
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Right.
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"You're Gavin McInnes."
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Yeah.
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"Shut the fuck up."
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Um, but no, we're, we're gonna beg Elon-
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No.
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... to get Gavin back on.
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Don't do it.
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And then we get the announcement of another very exciting guest.
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Okay.
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Everybody needs to contact @elon and nicely say, "Hey, Gavin
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has been set up. He's a good guy, just like Alex Jones."
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He's been set up?
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Just bring him back on.
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Set up? Just say bring him back on 'cause you're a Nazi.
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I'm a funny guy, I'm a moderate.
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No, he's a moderate.
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I'm just scared of you 'cause you wake people up. Gavin, talk to you soon.
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Thanks, Alex.
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All right, Joe Biggs, I believe this is the first interview.
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Oh, my God.
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He called us the night he got out and said, "Look, I'm just
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too freaked out, I gotta see my daughter, family in Florida. Uh,
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but as soon as I'm ready, I'll come on you first." So, I, I've, I've... I'm
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thinking if he'd been on the show, we, we'd know, but I
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believe it's his first interview. True political prisoner, true
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deep state hostage.
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It's like he's been in, you know, a North Korean or North Vietnamese, uh, t-
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torture chamber literally, uh, the last
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three years and all the hell he's been through. A good friend of mine. He's coming up.
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I don't care about Joe Biggs. I don't care about Rambo Joe. Um, he seems like someone who's had
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a rough time.
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Yeah.
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He never was, uh,
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great-
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Okay.
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... to begin with.
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Mm-hmm.
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Back when he was an employee of InfoWars back in the day and what have you.
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Sure.
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He never, he never seemed like he had the best head on his shoulders.
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But, he now, like the conversation that they have, he seems like he had a tough time being in prison.
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Sure.
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Which is understandable. It's not an easy experience to go to prison.
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They're not great places.
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I think he might be processing some of that.
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Sure.
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The being away from his family. You know, I wouldn't be too shocked if he has some
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level of PTSD from the whole experience.
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It's borderline why they do it.
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And I don't really want to mock that necessarily.
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Sure.
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I think that Joe Biggs is not relevant in any way outside of he used to work
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at a low capacity for Alex and then became the leader of a street gang.
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Yeah, inexplicably.
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He's not, he's not that interesting. He doesn't bring a ton to the table.
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Probably wasn't a great, uh, leader of that (laughs) street gang, to be honest.
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Right.
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No.
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And so, when he's on with Alex, he's talking a bit about how like he met a bunch of people in prison
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and he wants to dedicate moving forward to helping give them a voice.
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Okay.
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Like, as if all these men that he met are all wrongly incarcerated.
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And like, look, I don't think that's true. I don't think that's real.
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Sure.
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I think a lot of the people in prison also are probably lying to him about like how they got jammed up-
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Sure.
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... or whatever.
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For sure.
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But
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if he just wants to deal with like carceral reform, I'm not gonna be... I don't wanna be a dick about that.
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Yeah.
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If... In the same way that when Alex got a DUI and he's like, "I'm gonna
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c- crusade against unjust DUIs," it's like, well,
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you're full of shit, but-
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Yeah.
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... I don't have a problem with what you're saying. (laughs)
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Yeah. I mean, I, I, it, it, in a certain
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sense, there is a part of me that's like, well, I mean, listen, it's not like these are-... career
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criminals who are, like, making a, making a life of
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robbing banks or anything. Like, there was a very specific reason that they committed that crime.
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Yeah.
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And without that reason, they probably won't commit the same crime, on account of you can't.
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Well, b- I don't actually... I don't agree with that line of thinking, because
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I do think that there's still a danger that people like Enrique Tarrio would steal roads and-
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Oh, for sure. Oh, no, no, no, I'm not saying that. I'm not talking about them.
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Like, maybe, maybe they won't overthrow the Capitol again-
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But see they are career criminals. (laughs)
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... but they're gonna... Yeah.
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Yeah.
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They're gonna beat somebody up probably.
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Right.
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There's gonna be some sort of violence.
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Totally.
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Um, but whatever. I, I feel like
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I don't have any
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say or stake in Trump giving them a commutation of their sentences.
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Sure.
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And as long as he's out, if he's not fighting with people, I feel like
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get, get back in touch with your family, grow, whatever. I don't care.
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But-
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Title card, "Never seen from again."
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It'd be nice.
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Why is never seen from again not a perfectly acceptable way to go?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So it was a little bit strange listening to Joe's interview. Um, but
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Alex is not treating this with the respect that he should.
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I mean, he did spend a lot of time in prison.
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He did. And-
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For, for Joe, yeah.
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And he used to l- he used to work at InfoWars. They're buddies.
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Yup.
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Um, so here's, here's just a little taste of that.
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Okay.
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Just, just having that, uh, uh, I'll never
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forget the, the day that the, uh, rally was happening, though, in Pennsylvania.
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I actually didn't know that that was going on. We were on lockdown
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and I had been probably stuck in my cell for going on a month. And
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we finally got the TV turned on, and I see
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Trump out there at a rally speaking. And then I look away, and then when I look back
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I see everybody around him, and they're, they're,
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like, around somebody and they're moving.
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Uh, and I look at my cellie and I go, "Man, there must be some
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dumb guy in there trying to start something. They're
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pulling that guy out of there to..." uh, I guarantee you
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the Secret Service are gonna beat that dude up. And then it goes, "Breaking news, President Trump
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assassinated," or something like that. And I go, "What?" And it goes back
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to a, uh, a replay, and it shows him drop down to the ground.
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And I literally screamed. My knees gave out and I was like... And I fell down in my (laughs)
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my, my cellmate goes, "What is going on?" And I go, "Oh my God."
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I said, "They just killed him." I said, "No, please, God, don't let this guy die, it's my only way home."
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(laughs) Man, I was so scared. I'm so (laughs) -
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Joe, take your time-
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So grateful.
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... this is so powerful. Go back to that moment again, m- s- millisecond to millisecond. You know your
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future literally of justice, and wronged, and the
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lies and the fraudul... everything's hanging in the balance on this man,
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and the American people rallying behind him.
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And then
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e- yeah, they're announcing he's been killed, and then when they knew they failed, then they said, "Oh no,
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he wasn't killed, he wasn't shot at." And Google a month and a half later wouldn't even say it happened, so
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yeah, they w- they were really intending to get him that day. Go back to that moment.
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Well, I, I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it. I mean, it,
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it was, it was, it was a, it was a horrible day for me. Um,
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you know, everybody came up to me throughout the day, uh, and asking, like checking on me, you know,
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when, uh, they would walk by the, the cell.
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"Hey man, you okay? You know, what's going
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on?" You know, "Do you, do you have any more updates? Do you know what's going on? Have you seen anything?" Or
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people come up and tell me, "Hey, I think he's okay." Um, uh, so there was a lot of support. Uh,
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but I'll tell you, when I saw that, that replay and I saw him grab his head
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and drop to the ground, I just, I sank down to my knees and I thought that was it, I thought my life was over.
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You know, I thought that was, that was it.
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And, uh,
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it was frightening.
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Very scary.
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What was it like, what was it like a minute later when he popped back up?
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Alex is eating lunch.
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I mean, God. What's-
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It's disrespectful.
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What's crazy is that that really is, now that I've heard it... Like, I
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hadn't considered it from his point of view before. Now that I've, now that
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I've thought about it through his eyes, that's a f- incredible thing to feel.
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Mm-hmm.
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Like, to actually be a person who's, who can say, like, uh, "My legitimate
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future depends on whether or not this man becomes president."
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Yeah.
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And then to see him potentially assassinated,
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what a fucking moment.
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Well sure, I mean like-
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That's crazy.
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Well, because Joe Biggs has the awareness of what Joe Biggs did.
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Right.
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Like, he knows, like, if-
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Right.
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... if everything goes sensibly, "I'll never get out of this prison cell."
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No, no. Well, I mean, you know, 10 to 20 years.
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I should be dead.
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Yeah.
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I should be dead based on-
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Legitimately, yeah.
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... the crimes that I committed against the country that I live in.
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Right. Right, right, right.
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Uh, my coup failed, I know what I did, all my buddies know, we know all this shit.
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According to us, it's treason, so in our s- if we were reversing the situation-
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Now-
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... and like the leftists tried to... if, b- j-... they'd be dead.
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Now,
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we got this long shot that the guy that
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I tried to overthrow the government for could get back into office and he-
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Crazy.
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... would let me out of prison.
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Crazy.
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I- i-
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living i-
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That's a movie.
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Living in that headspace would be very strange.
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Yeah.
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And it is interesting, and it's, it... There is a, there is a part of listening to Joe
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that is pretty compelling from that standpoint. But now if you take the other element of it,
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where Alex is listening to this guy describe this shit, and he's just eating his lunch.
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I mean-
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It's just, it's, uh, eh, he's not taking him seriously.
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That's the part that is mind-boggling to me is like... And I think it's indicative of who they-
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You, you care more about Joe's story than Alex.
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No, I, that's, but that's indicative of who is at the core of this, of, of the problem.
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Mm-hmm.
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Like,
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based on just what Joe said, uh, regardless... You know, I can factor in all the things that he's done
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throughout his life to, to like... Listen, we're not gonna hang out or anything like that. But that story is
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something that brings about such a huge amount of curiosity for me, because you are still a human being
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in this ob- obscene situation. Like in a, I mean an incredible situation, and you, uh, you can't... Like
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if somebody, if somebody else told me, "Oh, whenever, whenever Trump went down,
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I sh- I was screamed and I fell on my knees," I would be like, "That's stupid." But in-
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You're ove- Yeah, you're being overly theatrical-
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Yeah.
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... except for not him.
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But in this case, yeah, that's your only hope, man. (laughs)
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And the fact that Joe is able to really identify that, like-
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Yeah.
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... he's my only way out of here.
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Yeah! That's-
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Like, he's aware of it.
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It's amazing!
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Yeah.
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That is a really interesting story and if I were Alex, I would be
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far more empathetic. Then I'm more just curious-
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Well-
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... I would be like, "What i- well, how does it feel?"
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You'd think, 'cause they're friends.
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Yeah, and then I... But then on top of that I'd be extremely curious.
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Yeah.
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That's crazy.
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And it's catching up with an old buddy, like, uh, like inst- and uh, it's like he just wants Joe-
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Totally.
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... to fill time so he can chew.
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Totally. It's-
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It's garbage.
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... it's insane.
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Yeah.
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I was, I was, I've been reading this, uh, this, uh, biography on Joe Cahill, and like, he did time
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i- while he was in the IRA. And just hearing those stories about, uh,
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the stuff that they, that th- that the outside world had happened during
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World War II, and it would just be like a thing that happened
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before phones, before TV, before anything, and you would just
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not know, you know? What a fascinating thing to know
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in real time, "That could be
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my only chance at getting out of prison."
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Mm-hmm.
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"Just got shot and that..." That's crazy.
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Yeah.
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That's crazy.
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And then when he's not dead it's like, "Back from the dead."
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I know!
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"My hopes are back..." If they're being... You have a heart attack.
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What a crazy... That's crazy.
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It is.
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Yeah.
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It is.
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Yeah.
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So anyway, I don't really care about the rest of Joe Biggs.
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Nope, fuck off. (laughs)
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Um, but I thought that was disrespectful.
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Yeah.
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And, uh, I feel bad for Joe also kind of weirdly.
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(laughs) Agree, agree. I feel bad for us-
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Yeah.
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... for not getting a really interesting story out of him.
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Damn.
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I think there's a lot there.
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Probably.
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Yeah. If you were a good interviewer you could probably tease it out.
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So, th- there's a lot going on in the world.
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Sure.
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And I don't know if we got into a whole lot of it.
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I think we nailed it.
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Uh, Alex got mad that the RFK hearing was boring.
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29th, yup.
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Steven Crowder, Ch- (laughs) Kevin McGuinness and Rambo Joe Biggs all stopped by-
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(laughs)
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... to be full of shit.
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What a world.
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Yup.
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So we'll see if we'll get to some real meaningful stuff, uh, in the next episode.
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(laughs)
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But, uh, until then, (laughs) we have a website.
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Indeed we do, it's knowledgefight.com.
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Yup. We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo, um, Leo, I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious professor.
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Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo!
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And now, here comes w- the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first-time caller, I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
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I love you.
