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sweating. At dan dan. Knowledgefight.com. It's time to pray.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we
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are the bad guys. Knowledge Fight. Dan and Jordan. Knowledge Fight. Red alert.
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Red alert. Red alert. I need, I need money.
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Stop it! Andy in Kan- Andy in Kansas. An-
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Ann- Andy. It's time to pray. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex. I'm a Christian caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
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Knowledge Fight.
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K- k- k- k- k- know- know- know- know- know- knowledgefight.com. Dan. Blech. I love you.
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Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple of dudes who like to sit around
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and worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh, indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jor-dan.
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Quick question for you.
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Sup?
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What's your bright spot today, bud?
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My bright spot today is checking back in on the eating weird foods.
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Nice.
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Uh, in 2025, 4555.
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4555.
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Uh, I have... This is the first one that is, uh, maybe, uh,
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from the, uh, grocery store that shan- shan't be named.
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Sure, sure.
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(laughs)
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Sure.
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Um, I got a cheddar.
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Okay.
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A type of cheddar.
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A type of cheddar?
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Yeah, yeah. And, uh, it was advertised as soaked in espresso martini.
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Okay.
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Mm-hmm.
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That's, that's an interesting choice
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and it makes me feel like the person who invented it, complete accident.
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Sure.
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Dropped the cheese into some shit.
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While they were drunk.
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Yep.
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I think-
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Very much so.
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I think probably.
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(laughs)
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I've never seen these, like, kind of, interesting cheeses-
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Yeah.
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... uh, described as soaked in something.
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(laughs) Yeah, exactly.
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Um, but it was fine.
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Uh-huh.
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It wasn't that great. It didn't, uh, it didn't get me drunk.
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Sure, sure. (laughs)
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Didn't taste that much like coffee.
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Yeah.
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But it was fine.
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Uh-
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It was, it was just cheese.
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... it was cheese.
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But I got it and, and one of the things that I enjoyed about this, uh, shopping experience is-
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Mm-hmm.
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... I think it's something you can only get at, uh, this place that we're not naming.
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This place that shall not be named, yeah.
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And that is that, like, you'll walk up an aisle and you'll see one cheese
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that is soaked in espresso martini cheese.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
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There's one
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piece of it left.
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Yep.
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And they... And you don't know if it's supposed to be there or if someone left it there.
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Could have been.
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It, I, I, I don't know if there's more stock of this.
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There's no display that's like, "Come get the new cheese with espresso martini." (laughs) And so, I, I, I
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feel like it could be a trap. Like-
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Yeah.
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... anyone could have just left their own chee-... It could be consignment, personally.
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Absolutely. No, there's... It reminds me of that, uh, Hedberg joke. Uh, this CD is in stores.
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Mm-hmm.
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The last one, I had to go to a store and put it in there.
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I left it there.
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Yeah, yeah. "Sir, this was yours." "No, no, no, no. This is for sale."
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Yeah.
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"Please alphabetize it."
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Yeah.
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That-
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It feels like that every time you find one of these just bizarre products.
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I, I like it.
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I do, too.
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I like the... I like the idea that there's also somebody... 'Cause if that's the case, then I
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feel like there's somebody around the corner of one of the, uh, aisles, just, like, with an eye on it.
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"Ooh, somebody got it." And then they kinda wanna follow you home and see if you do a podcast-
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Or-
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... and then listen to that podcast and... What I'm saying is there's a man in your closet.
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Oh, okay.
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Okay. (laughs)
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Uh, or the other o- possibility is that someone, uh, a cheese person-
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Uh-huh.
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... has left that there.
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Sure.
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And then la-... The next day or later that evening, they come back and they're like, "We moved the cheese."
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(laughs)
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Someone got it.
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Sure, sure.
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And that's how they keep track of sales.
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I like that.
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Yeah.
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I, I, I feel like, uh, you missed out on an opportunity using one of my favorite words, which is cheesemonger.
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I thought about it.
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You thought about it?
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Mm-hmm.
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But left it on the wayside?
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Yeah. I think it's because there's only, like, cheesemongers and fishmongers.
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Sure.
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That word doesn't really apply to anybody... any other field of sale.
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You can't really be a m- meatmonger. You're more of just a butcher.
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Yeah.
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Well.
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Yeah. And that make, that makes me suspicious.
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Yeah.
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Like it's a bad word of some kind.
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(laughs)
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Like it has some kind of origin that's not good.
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If it's only cheese and fish.
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(laughs) Two of the stinkier possible-
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Yeah, but I can't-
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... food items.
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... I can't figure out what I'm worried about in, in terms of-
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I, I have no, I have no idea.
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Anyway, what's your, uh, bright spot?
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Uh, my bright spot is, uh, I, uh, just started... Or, well, the episode of the Traitors that just happened.
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Sure.
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My wife and I just caught up with it.
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Mm-hmm.
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And it is, uh, I mean,
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it, it's a fascinating season.
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Yes.
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It's a fascinating season entirely because the traitors are, um, instantly at each other's throats.
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They're such a mess.
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Dumbly.
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Yeah.
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In a way that if they had just... if they could just communicate, obviously,
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about what they're doing, they'd all be like, "Oh, yeah. That makes sense."
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Yeah.
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Like, every one of them makes perfect sense as long as you don't understand what the other person is doing.
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Yeah, but I think that they're in a bit of a trap-
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Yeah.
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... in this season. Without, without, uh, too many spoilers, but maybe a... some spoilers.
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That's what I'm trying t- to, to avoid in a-
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Yeah.
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... in a sense.
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Skip ahead a little bit if you don't wanna hear, uh-
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Yeah.
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... too many spoilers.
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(laughs)
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But the, the team of the traitors-
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Yeah.
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... that exists now-
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Yeah.
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... is, uh, Danielle, uh, Caroline, and Boston Rob.
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God, I hate Boston Rob.
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And the issue with these three is that Boston Rob is a malicious bully.
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Yeah.
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And he is not going to be someone you can really work with.
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Mm-mm.
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If he's ever on a show with you and you have the opportunity to get rid of him and fuck him over-
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Get rid of him instantly.
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... especially if he wants to work with you.
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Totally.
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If he comes to you and is like, "Hey, I think I can work with you," that means that
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he thinks that you are easy to fuck over later.
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Obviously.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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So, get rid of him at every opportunity possible.
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He's an untrustworthy, even as a traitor. Now, Caroline is awesome.
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Brilliant.
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But also, no one can see it. Everyone thinks she's an idiot.
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Yep.
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And so they treat her like an idiot.
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Yep.
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So, Danielle i- i- is having to work with a malicious
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bully and someone that she doesn't understand is brilliant.
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And if she could, if she could just be like, "Oh, let's team up," the two of them would be unstoppable.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And they could get rid of Rob pretty easily-
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Instantly.
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... if they wanted to.
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Yep.
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But they just can't see... They can't see the forest for the trees in Caroline.
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Nope.
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Um, and, yeah, so it's gonna be... I, I don't... I...
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I can't see her not winning. I just can't see Caroline not eventually make it to... making it
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to the end of this with somebody who's like, "Thank God I picked the only person I'm sure is a Faithful."
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Mm-hmm.
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Like, it, it seems like that's where we're going to head.
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Yeah. I mean, she made it to the end of Survivor, uh, in large part
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because of weaponizing that way that people treat her.
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Totally.
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And I, I think that she... If... Given the chance, she could probably do that.
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Yeah. I don't think it would be too hard at all.
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But, you know, with Boston Rob and Danielle on her team, it's go-... Oof.
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I, I-
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It's tough.
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That's the thing that I didn't understand and I never understand about these games
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and people, but it does make sense if they're all reality TV show stars
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and they have good producers. But it's like, oh, Boston Rob showed up. I don't care if he's a
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traitor or a Faithful. The first vote we do is get the... get him outta here.
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Yeah.
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No matter what, he's going to be a problem for someone.
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He's been on six seasons of Survivor-
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Get him outta here.
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... and every other goddamn show, uh, that's ever been made.
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First episode, get him the fuck outta here.
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Yeah.
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I would keep Wes before I'd keep Boston Rob.
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Definitely.
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By a wide mile.
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Definitely.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
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Wes is a, uh, he's a, uh, a crafty gentleman and he, he likes to work angles.
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Yeah.
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But he also is into the game that's being played. Rob-
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I would put him at chaotic neutral.
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Rob wants to make his own game and he will... He, he's a bully.
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Yeah.
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Wes isn't that much of a bully.
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No, no, no. He thinks he... He thinks he's very smart.
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Yeah, that's true.
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Yeah.
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Um, if you haven't, wa- uh, watched the second season of the Australian one-
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Right.
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... if you wanna see traitors
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break the fuck down on each other-
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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... that one played out amazingly.
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Yeah.
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Uh, but anyway, uh, I'm excited-
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That's my bright spot, yeah.
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I'm excited for how this season's gonna woof.
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It's gonna end, like, a fucking, uh,
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disaster. Yeah.
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The last episode ended with a "next time on"-
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Mm-hmm.
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... that-
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I had the experience, for maybe one of the first times in a really long time, of like, "I can't wait a week."
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Yeah.
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What is... What the fuck?
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Yep. Yeah, baby. Yep, yep.
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That's, that's nice.
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Yeah, it is nice.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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So this isn't nice.
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Great!
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Uh, we're gonna be talking about, uh, little Alex Jones episode.
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Cool. Cool, cool, cool, cool.
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Um, so we're gonna talk about January 22nd.
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Okay.
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Two days after the inauguration.
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All right. (laughs)
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Uh, see how things are going.
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(laughs) .
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I'm, I'm trying to take this a little bit slow-
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Sure.
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... so he can really, uh... I think that what is going on with Trump and with
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this new administration is all
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fucking awful.
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Sure.
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And a lot of it is house-on-fire kinda stuff.
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Sure.
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Like, it's bad. He's doing-
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Sure.
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... a lot of really bad stuff. But responding in a, in a way of like,
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"Aah!" I, I don't think that that's going to, uh, help from my perspective.
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Sure.
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So I'm, I'm trying to take a little bit of a slow, like let's, let's go through
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Alex's response to these days.
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Sure.
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Um, and so hopefully there's some value in that. We'll see.
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We'll see!
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Um, but, uh, before we get to this, let's take a moment to say hello to some new wonks.
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That's a great idea.
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So first, uh, "Merry Christmas, Jacks! Sorry for forcing you to hear Alex's voice coming out of my
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office every day." Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk!
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Thank you very much!
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Merry Christmas.
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Merry Christmas.
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Uh, next, A Rat In a Cage. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk!
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Thank you very much.
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We got, uh, Corgan.
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I believe it was, it was Corgan.
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Yep.
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He switched sides.
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Corgan's a wonk.
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Switched sides.
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Yep.
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It's a weird thing for him to do.
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His love of cats has, uh, overshadowed his, uh-
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(laughs) It, it wins in the end.
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Uh, next, Ashley, who's almost 40. "Best of
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luck getting into veterinary school!" Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk! Thank you very much!
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Thank you! And we got a Technocrat in the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much too. "It took me six
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months of listening to the podcast before I discovered that Celine is the
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name of a cat, and that Dan and Jordan do not, as far as I know, worship at the feet of Celine Dion."
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Thank you so much! You're now a Technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk!
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Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her, "You're brilliant."
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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy Sharp. (singing)
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser
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little, little titty baby. I don't wanna hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ!
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Wow. I hope after making that kind of a big revelation that your heart will go on.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So, uh, we start, uh, this on the 22nd-
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Mm-hmm.
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... uh, checking in, how Alex is doing. Uh, he's very
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clearly indicated he doesn't really care that much about Elon Musk doing a Nazi salute.
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What you gonna do?
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And has had very little insight into
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shit that's going on.
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Romans!
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So here, here's, uh... I think he's getting a little introspective-
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Okay! That's-
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... perhaps.
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It's time!
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Yeah.
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It is time.
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He, and he, he says something towards the beginning of the show that I thought was like,
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"Oh, wow, you do realize this."
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Okay.
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Now that said, everybody thinks Trump plays
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3D chess, and, and he, he is 3D chess in some areas, but he really didn't know that podcasts were
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hundreds of times better than corporate media.
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Baron had to convince him of that.
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And,
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I mean, just a few years ago, Trump still called internet shows
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"the clips". Well, they're not just internet shows-
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They're Vines.
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The internet is everything, but, but still in Trump's mind at 78, he thinks of dynasty media,
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legacy media
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as
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what's important.
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And
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all that means is they have bigger, fancier studios.
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So we did that here and said, "Here, we got a studio better than theirs, now we have also better information."
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And that was really just to help old people.
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And I'm not saying all old people, but
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people a- ask, "Why do we have fancy studios?" It was to help old people wake up to.
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Young people would just prefer me shoot my reports in the backyard, seriously.
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Um, but this is for old folks, this is for Trump right here.
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So he'll listen more. That's all this is, is, is eye candy for old people.
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So why have I spent millions and millions of dollars and overextended myself and created
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a gigantic amount of overhead, to the point where I have to create all these fake businesses, uh,
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in order to shield money and, and desperately sell sea moss?
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It's because I wanna trick you into thinking that this is a real show.
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Yeah.
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I want you to think this is the news, but it's not.
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Yep. Yep!
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I mean, it is interesting. I m- w- well, okay, obviously he knew that.
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Yeah.
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Uh, that's why he did it. Like, the purpose for doing it in the first place was that.
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Yeah.
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So it makes sense. It is... I mean, why are you saying it out loud now?
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Hmm.
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I guess, uh, uh, eye candy for old people is an interesting way to frame it.
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I don't know. I don't know why, I guess maybe because he is aware that
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there's a good chance he's gonna lose all that stuff pretty soon.
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That's fair.
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You know?
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That's fair.
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You know, the, some of those, uh, that bankruptcy decision and
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stuff is, is coming down the, the line. And, you know, you may have to start
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dealing with not having those things.
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Yeah.
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Oh, you know what I find fascinating about this though?
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Mm-hmm.
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Is that now he may be, uh, uh, also correct in reverse, in that legacy media still has all of these trappings-
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Mm-hmm.
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... for the same purpose that Alex does.
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Yeah.
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And that may be why they're not getting any young people to listen to them.
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It may be. It may be.
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Huh?
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But you see, like, uh, I think that, uh, you know, uh,
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it's not exactly the same, but-
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Sure.
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... you, you do see the same... The people who are doing the, quote-unquote, "alternative" thing,
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um, they do, in many ways, end up emulating the same thing.
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Yeah.
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Uh, like even Rogan's setup isn't that, like, different than a studio interview setting.
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Yep, yep.
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You know, like, it's not really... It's not totally flipping the tables on, on convention.
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Mm-mm.
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Um, I, I think... Yeah, I don't know. I think that it's just what is, has been done. It's the archetype.
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It is, it is an illusion to trick people into believing you-
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Yeah.
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... without, without... Like it's a
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shortcut. It's a shortcut to earning trust, is being like, "I can afford a studio." Yeah.
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Right. It's like business people wearing a suit.
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Absolutely.
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It's just what's done.
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It's all bullshit.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You take me seriously because I can tie this tie.
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(laughing) Yeah, absolutely.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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So most of this episode is in response to, uh,
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something Alex saw on Twitter-
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Mm-hmm.
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... the day before.
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(snorting)
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And that is that Trump had a press conference
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with Sam Altman and the guy who runs Oracle.
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The OpenAI-
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Yes.
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... guy. Okay, cool.
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Yeah.
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Cool, cool, cool!
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And so Alex has some feelings about this and has to be very defensive about it.
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Um, so that, that big news story gets introduced here.
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But the
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war in Ukraine has come to an absolute head. Trump has issued a very strong
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ultimatum to Russia, with a very large carrot and a very large stick.
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And there's been just unprecedented developments on that front as we get into day three.
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That's obviously the big enchilada.
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Then we have something that is really a bellwether or litmus test for everything going on
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in the republic and the reboot of our country, now open for business again,
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uh, with Trump
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cheerleading the economy, one of many events yesterday,
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with Larry Ellison of Oracle, Sam Altman of OpenAI, and the owner of
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SoftBank from Japan, that is a big America booster and is a good guy as well.
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Altman is a villain's villain.
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Sure.
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And is uber bad.
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And, uh, Trump said, "Oh, what's an example of AI? What's it gonna do great for us?"
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And
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Ellison
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said,
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"MRNA cancer cures."
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And of course-I knew that was coming. It was a punch in the stomach still.
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So, uh, Trump posted on Truth Social about how he wants
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Putin to end the war, and how they can do it easily th- the easy way or the hard way.
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(laughs)
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Continuing his habit of speaking like a hacky mobster character.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure.
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Trump said, quote, "Settle now and stop this ridiculous war." All caps, "IT'S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE
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if we don't make a," quote, "deal and soon, I
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have no other choice but to put high levels of taxes, tariffs, and sanctions on anything being sold by
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Russia to the United States and various other participating countries."
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Great.
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Alex shouldn't see this as some kind of improvement or breakthrough in negotiations.
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He's been very clear in his position that the Biden administration
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putting sanctions on Russia was an act of war, so he should have a
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serious problem with Trump indicating that that was his plan too.
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Any deal that Trump could make to end the war is just gonna be capitulation.
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Putin isn't going to give Ukraine back captured territory, and they're not going to back off the demand that
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Ukraine not join NATO, so there really isn't a way for Trump to
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win the war other than to just let Putin do whatever he wants and then act like
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whatever has been done is a huge victory.
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Sure.
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You can see the early indications that
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Alex is totally on board with running with that kind of coverage, as he's just cheerleading sanctions,
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as if that wasn't a huge problem he had with the previous US approach.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know that whole talking point Alex has about the globalists, like they're trying to kill the world by
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cutting off the food supply, like particularly by getting rid of the fertilizer?
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You know, we've heard Alex say this a million times.
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Sure.
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That's specifically about putting tariffs and
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sanctions on one of Russia's primary exports, phosphate-based fertilizers.
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If Alex now supports Trump putting massive
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sanctions on Russian exports, then he has to accept that he wants the fertilizer supply cut off
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and he wants the world to starve. And I think this is a narrative problem for him.
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Yeah, I imagine so.
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Good thing his audience doesn't pay attention at all.
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Hm.
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Alex is complaining also there about Larry
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Ellison, because he needs to distract from the fact that Trump did a press conference to announce a joint
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venture in AI involving the heads of
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OpenAI, Oracle, and SoftBank. The government is investing up to
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$500 billion in this venture, which Alex should be
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principally opposed to. But the way he's covering it on this episode seems to entirely ignore that
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half trillion dollars that's being invested in the project.
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That seems like a major piece of this puzzle, but
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it's getting pushed to the side because Alex doesn't wanna address the fact that Trump is
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enthusiastic about this project and spending tons of public funds on it.
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I can't stress how embarrassing it should be for Alex to be talking about this
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and talk like this.
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You, you, you, you can't get mad at Trump when he does stuff like this.
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I'm sorry?
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He's a super optimist,
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and he is just gonna get any investment he can in the United States.
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He's running around wildly doing it,
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and he understands the Federal Reserve's trying to crash the economy working against him.
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And, and Ellison's been a long time backer before it was even popular.
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Uh, a- so, you know, Trump likes people that like him.
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So Trump's doing this project with some
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noted villain types, working on AI, which Alex thinks is part of the plot
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to, uh, the whole bit so they want to create a silicon god in order to kill off the population.
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But you can't get mad about it, 'cause Trump's kinda dumb and he just likes money.
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Plus he's a real sucker for people who stroke his
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ego, so if this shady guy was a Trump supporter, you have to understand that Trump's gonna be blind to the
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shady stuff. You have to understand, that's
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part of what makes Trump so great, is that he's manipulatable
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through money and flattery. (laughs) This is so sad.
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It sucks. It sucks because that was the one spot that I felt like Alex and I
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both understood something that most people don't. You know, like,
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that's exactly what people said to me whenever
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I was like, "Hey, Biden's evil." They were like, "Hey! Shut up, you can't do that." Right? So,
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that's the fu- the only part that you get
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for that is being able to go like, "Ha ha ha, I get to do that." And now Alex doesn't even get to do that shit.
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No.
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That sucks. That sucks!
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Yeah, he just has to make, uh, excuses.
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Like, that's the worst part of... L- like, okay. If you're gonna do the dictator
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thing, fucking go whole hog! You know? Don't, don't be like
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(laughs) a r- a regular democrat. Like, "Hey, don't, don't
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criticize the people in power. It's, it could be worse."
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Mm-hmm.
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You know? Like, it, it sucks!
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If you're going to support someone who is clearly, uh, aspiring towards and making moves, uh, uh, around
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seizing what, uh, amounts to dictatorial power-
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Yeah.
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... don't do this.
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No!
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Eh, eh, it's, eh, it's not like,
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you know,
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cheerleading for a moderate candidate is not, uh, y-
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I think it doesn't come off well if you're like, "Ha ha, hail to the king!"
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Here's my angle on it, if I'm Alex. My angle is, "Hail to the king" surprise!
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This motherfucker, his AI is racist as shit! We can make that shit racist in a heartbeat, see? Boom!
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Mm-hmm.
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It's actually a good idea for us, despite the fact that we n- ostensibly, you know, we-
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Well-
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... we think that AI is evil.
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Right. But the ultimate problem comes down to
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that Ellison was talking about, uh, AI applications for creating new mRNA cures for cancer.
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There is that.
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And this is Alex's like, he's, that's a line that I don't think that he can even
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dance with.
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Yeah, that one's tough. That one's tough.
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So if you want to maintain this attachment to Trump, you
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have to make this about something else, and it's about
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them, and Trump is just, he loves America
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money much, and he loves people who like him. And
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so like he's kind of... What you're gonna end up
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seeing, and I think that this is the trend that has been, it's been moving towards a bit.
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Yeah.
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Is that they need a king.
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Yeah.
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But the first term of, for Trump made them realize they don't actually want the person in power to be that.
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Yeah, obviously.
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Because you have to create the deep state and it's all this distraction and nonsense.
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Yeah.
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Musk is the king.
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(laughs)
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And
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there will be a-
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(laughs)
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... there will be a like, "Hey, Trump is, you know, he's kinda stupid but-"
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Yeah.
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... you know, "he's got, his heart's in the right place, but Musk, now he's the guy."
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There you go.
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So that, I think, is the trend that we're gonna see.
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Oh, boy.
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And so Trump can, can do shit like this and Alex will just
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be like, "Meh."
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I'm glad, I'm glad we're far enough away that I'll never have to Neil.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know? Like I, I don't think I can do that. That, I'm, I'm dead.
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You got bad knees too.
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I'm dead the moment Neil happens. That's trouble. And I'm talking about Neil, uh, Peart-
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Mm-hmm.
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... Neil Armstrong, and Neil Hamburger all at the same time. Any of these Neils come.
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DeGrasse Tyson?
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Oh, yeah. Absolutely I'm dead.
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Uh-huh.
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Can't come up with more Neils.
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(laughs) I was running out too.
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Took hamburger, so.
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I ran out fast. That was my most obscure Neil.
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So, uh, Alex talks here a little bit about how he, uh, he is, uh, he's seen heaven.
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Sure.
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We're, we're, we're, we're shaping the war future, the, the, the battlespace
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of humanity. I, I'm thinking decades out,
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like I've done for 30 years to where we are now, and I've predicted where we are now, and then
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this little golden era, and then the real bad stuff, and then the, the true golden era.
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A thousand years of peace on Earth.
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And then Satan's released again as, to test.
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And then this entire
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third-dimensional
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real world simulation is rolled up like a scroll
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and
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we are transported to the-
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Valhalla.
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... third heaven dimension.
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(laughs)
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The next level.
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And if you think you're gonna be floating round on
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clouds up there, let me tell you, that's not what's going on, 'cause I've seen it.
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You get a Pegasus.
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And every cell in my body and every
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neuron and every electrical pulse
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down to the quarks, the pieces of the atoms in me resonates and wants to transcend
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with God's plan.
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And so everything I do is to get in alignment with what the Holy Spirit tells me is the mission.
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That's it. Very simple. So...I call the shots of what Alex Jones says and does.
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I say and do what I believe is the most accurate, truthful thing.
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Except you don't 'cause you said that God speaks to you and tells you the things to do. You don't
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choose any of this. You have no free will.
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Yeah.
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I think that I would like to see a world created where people who say, "I have seen heaven," are treated
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like people who say, "I have seen heaven."
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As opposed to
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getting a book tour and going on-
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Yeah, like this is just no-
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... daytime talk shows?
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Well, no, that's fine. That's-
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Is that fine?
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Yeah, that's fine. Remember when I was that kid, that kid?
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Is that fine? Is that fine?
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I think it's fine.
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Do you mean that kid who was manipulated by his parents into going on TV and lying about having been to heaven?
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That part's not fine.
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Well...
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That, that, that part of th- that instance is not great.
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Okay.
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But I think adults, let's say.
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(laughs) Okay. Okay.
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Let's, let's-
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All right.
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... corner this off unto adults.
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I like that, I like that. Absolutely. Adults who say that, shut the fuck up.
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Right.
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Gotcha.
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They should be treated, uh, with a certain amount of derision. (laughs)
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You would think. You would think.
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Uh, it's kind of the mark of
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l- little bit of disingenuous, uh, fraud shit.
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I'm, I'm better, I'm better with those people if they're just like, "Hey,
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heaven's like you come all the time and you never have to take a shit."
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Fine, I'm down. That's, that's not even that bad.
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Sure.
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Whenever it's like, "Oh, the third dimension
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zips up like a scroll and now we're in level two," I just gotta be done, man.
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I honestly don't mind that. I don't mind however-
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(laughs)
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... you conceive of heaven.
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Okay.
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I'm fine with it.
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Okay.
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I don't like when you're like, "I've been there."
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Yeah.
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I think that's a totally different thing.
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Yeah.
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Because then now, now it's like, okay,
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you would have no reason not to kill me.
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Yeah.
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You would know that you're on a mission from heaven or whatever.
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Yeah, that is, that does tend to be why zealots kill a lot of people.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I think, I think that there's a big difference between, "I have some ideas and I have a bit of faith
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about what heaven looks like," and, "I know for certain because I have been there."
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Eh, that's the problem with belief.
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It is. Uh, it only works when it's belief.
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Mm.
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So, uh, Alex has a belief and that is that
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he is one of the only geniuses in the world, one of the only true geniuses.
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And Trump, who doesn't even know that podcasts for at least 10 years
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have been way bigger than the corporate media,
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does not understand this stuff. And I'm not trying to be mean to Trump.
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But all of this BS
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that Trump knows everything and Trump understands all the technology
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and that Trump has
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massive base knowledge on every major subject is not true.
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If you wanna know who has base knowledge on the most subjects
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in the world, most people are specialists, let me tell you who does.
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Elon Musk does,
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I do, and only a few other people
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that are prominent.
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They don't want wide spectrum analysis of people that have understandings of
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geopolitics, history, science, energy, agriculture, culture, anthropology, sociology, psychology,
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physics,
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space and aeronautics,
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philosophy.
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Because you have to be able to have a unified field theory-
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Of course.
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... to be able to look at what the globalist unified field
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theory is and how they, through the Hegelian dialectic, take all these systems-
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Sure.
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... and try to
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manipulate them and steer them and control them. You have to first understand where they're going
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and what they want to do, and then you've got to develop alternate plans in your unified field theory
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and war game those, and then you've got to
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learn how you can communicate with the public to explain incredibly complex things to them
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so that they get excited about it and learn about it.
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So Alex is conveniently leaving off the most essential part of his strategy.
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After you figure out this globalist unified field
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theory and you come up with your own unified field
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theory and determine how to communicate that to the public, you have to aggressively
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ignore or deny any instances of evidence that your unified field theory is based on flawed information.
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In order to maintain the illusion of being a broad spectrum genius who knows
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everything when you're really just talking
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shit, it's critical to never let the audience consider that you're just making shit up.
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And Alex has developed the almost perfect system for that step in his plan.
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Anything he's yelling about and has
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figured out is gonna happen because of his study of the globalist unified field theory can happen
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or not, and he still gets to claim to be right.
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Alex can spend a month talking about how Jamie Raskin is openly
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plotting to not accept the certification of the 2024 election
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and make that claim based on fraudulently presented information that Alex absolutely knows
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is not being reported in context. Then, when Raskin doesn't
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end up doing the thing Alex insists they're plotting to do, Alex still gets to be right
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because Raskin only didn't do the thing because
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Alex talked about it too much in advance, so he prevented this plot from ever being carried out.
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Without this dynamic in his coverage, Alex could never get away with being so wrong so regularly.
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He's trained his audience to accept his predictions not
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coming true as being evidence of how right he was, which makes reality kind of irrelevant.
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Also, Alex is saying that podcasts are much bigger than the mainstream media, which only makes it
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stranger that he would ignore us for the past eight years
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while whining constantly about people like Brian Stelter.
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It feels like the argument that, uh, you know,
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we're an independent podcast and Stelter is part of the corporate media
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makes it even more glaring as opposed to less.
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Yeah.
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Huh.
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Now it seems like we're the only people you should talk about-
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Yeah.
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... because Stelter's a pointless waste of everybody's time.
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Right. No one gives a shit about the MSM. It's all about independent podcasts.
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Yeah.
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Huh.
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Yeah.
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Ah, well.
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Well.
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So, uh, Alex is, uh, just stupid.
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Yeah.
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He's a broad spectrum genius, but he's stupid.
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Yeah, there is... I feel like every boss I've ever had has had some of that to a little bit of a degree of like-
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Yeah.
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... okay, sure. I know that they hired you because you know what you're talking about. But
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here's why your advice is fucking stupid.
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You know-
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It's 'cause I'm a genius.
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You know why I'm in charge? It's 'cause I know a lot about a lot.
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Yeah.
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You know a ton about a little. I know a lot about a lot.
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Yeah, I think there has to be, there has to be something that happens is like
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you can't just say yes to somebody whenever
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they know what they're talking about
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if you're their boss 'cause then it feels like maybe you shouldn't be the boss at all.
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Mm-hmm.
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So you have to justify your own position, and that drives you insane.
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Yeah.
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'Cause you shouldn't be there. (laughs)
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Especially when you're someone like Alex and you definitely shouldn't be there.
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You shouldn't be there.
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Yeah.
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There's no reason for you and there's no explanation for why you exist.
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Mm-mm-mm.
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There's just none.
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Nope.
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Yep.
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Coincidence and-
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(laughs) Just random-
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... the world got bad luck.
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... fucking random ass shit.
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So, um, someone else who shouldn't be there, and by there I mean out of prison, is Stuart Rhodes.
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Sure.
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And-
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He's there.
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So now he's there.
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In the studio?
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No, he's on the phone though.
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Oh, okay.
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So he, uh, Alex, uh, does a little intro-
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Mm-hmm.
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... for old Stuart Rhodes.
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Great.
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Well, I've known Stuart Rhodes since he founded Oathkeepers,
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whatever it was, 15 years ago or longer. Good friend of mine.
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And of all the J6ers, um,
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he got railroaded the worst
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and got one of the biggest sentences. Totally innocent.
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I followed the trials, knew the lawyers. There was nothing there.
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Did absolutely nothing. No conspiracy, no planning. I, I was there with him.
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They were worried about Antifa attacking and, "What would we do if they attacked the
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crowd?" They were there to be defensive.
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I was there at the Willard Hotel having the meetings. There was zero
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plans to go attack anybody.
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And
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now, after nine years of the attacks on Trump and all of us and
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the last four years of, of people being political prisoners
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and really political hostages, Trump's advisors said, "Sir,
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don't, don't, don't do it," and he said, "F the media. They're all innocent.
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F them. Release them."
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Sure.
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And I like JD Vance, but I know people who were there. Trump blew up on him a week and a half ago.... and said,
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"We're pardoning them all,"
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uh, because it's all a lie. I've looked at the cases, all of them, the big ones. It's all insane.
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Our own reporter, Owen, four months in prison. They said he didn't work here. He went in and attacked people.
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He was there with me, trying to stop me going in.
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So, this is a fun game for Alex to play. But on the other end of the phone, Stuart Rhodes knows
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damn well that he's not innocent. That's ridiculous.
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Also, Alex, I think in the past, has said that he was not at any meetings or at Willard. (laughs) So, maybe-
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I'm pretty sure-
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... he sh- maybe he should be a little-
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Pretty sure you should keep that one quiet.
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Ugh. So, they didn't say that Owen didn't work at InfoWars. It was just argued that he wasn't there at the
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Capitol in the capacity of a journalist. And also, there is some confusion about who
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is or isn't an actual employee at InfoWars.
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'Cause it seems like a lot of people might be independent contractors.
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No one said that Owen went into the Capitol and attacked people. He just forgot to do his community
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service from a prior suspended prosecution agreement
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and had to deal with the consequences of violating
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that agreement that he entered into willingly. These games are stupid, but they're also not sincere.
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Alex knows why Owen went to jail. It's just that acknowledging that reality wouldn't be useful to him.
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Pretending he believes this bullshit
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version of it helps him push his persecution narrative, so that false reality replaces truth.
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Also, straight up, no ifs, ands, or buts, fuck Stuart Rhodes.
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One of the things, uh, that he says, like,
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pretty constantly throughout this interview and most of this interview
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is, uh, i- he wasn't actually pardoned. He had his sentence commuted and he wants to change that because
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as it stands, according to him, he might have to see a parole, uh, agent, uh, and be on probation.
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Ooh.
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And he's not allowed to own a gun.
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Ooh.
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So, he needs to get this commutation changed to a pardon if he wants to be able to have a gun.
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(laughs)
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Which I think he'll have no problem doing.
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(laughs)
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Uh, but it is a little, huh, it's a little weird.
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That's, that's fascinating. That's fascinating to me, that story, because it suggests a sort, uh, an
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amount of loyalty from Trump that boggles my mind.
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Right? Like, that's not his
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thing.
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Mm-hmm.
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JD Vance, whiny little loser who will throw you under the bus in a heartbeat. That makes perfect sense.
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Don't pardon the people who care the most about you. You should leave them in prison, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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But Trump's also that guy. Don't pay the people you hired to build stuff.
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What are you doing? So, I find it, I find it very strange that he would actually care.
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Well, I think there's an interesting internal conversation that could have happened.
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Okay.
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I don't know if this did.
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Okay.
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Uh, but imagining that anything Alex is saying is real.
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Yeah, that's crazy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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But imagining there was this difference of opinion between Trump and Vance-
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Sure.
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... I could see a pretty compelling argument being made that's
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like, "Hey, these guys are the most likely to coup you."
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That's a good point.
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Uh, maybe you don't want to let them out because they're the people
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who have shown a propensity to break into the White House-
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Right.
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... or the Capitol in order to, you know, carry out their political will.
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Right.
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You might not want them too close 'cause they will feel betrayed at some point.
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Sure, because you're going to betray them eventually.
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Right, right.
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Yeah.
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They have unrealistic demands that you probably won't be able to live up to.
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Sure.
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So, I could see somebody being like, "Keep some of these people in prison."
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That is an interesting question. Yeah, like, at what point
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do they go, "Well, the reason that we
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tried to overthrow the government 'cause we thought there was a pedophile billionaire dictatorship,
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and now we know there's a pedophile bic- dic- dictatorship, so
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we're actually justified in doing what we thought we were justified in doing last time"?
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Hmm.
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Weird.
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But I imagine that wouldn't be the way that it would be processed.
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No, I don't think so.
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It'd be like, "He's not throwing out enough immigrants."
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He's bad at being racist.
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Exactly.
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Let's get him! (laughs)
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He's inefficient at his racism.
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(laughs) Oh, I think we should all... Here's what I think, all right?
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Mm-hmm.
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No more guns. That's bad for everybody. Really fucks stuff up.
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Torch- pitches and torch, t- uh, pitchforks and torches.
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Mm-hmm.
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We gotta, we gotta start there.
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Well, I think that the Unite the Right rally, there was a lot of torches.
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Yeah, but those were loser tiki torches.
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Hmm.
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I don't think you can intimidate anybody with a tiki torch. I re- I refuse to be intimidated by a tiki torch.
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All right.
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We're gonna test this.
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I, I demand
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better torches.
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When you least expect it, I'm gonna scare the shit out of you with a tiki torch.
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(laughs) It's not hard. I'm very easily startled.
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So, I have to say, uh, the Enrique Tarrio interview, not really all that
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great.
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Yeah.
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Like, not really all that interesting. Um,
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there was a dynamic of Alex trying to do the, like, they tried to keep you in prison story.
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Right.
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Uh, and Tarrio not going along with it. But other than that, it was just kind of like
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a, "Hey, we're doing this to do it." You know?
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Just get me out.
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Yeah.
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Get me out.
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And I don't think that the Stuart Rhodes interview is really that
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much more interesting than the, the... Just the fact that it's happening is what matters.
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Right.
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It's a statement
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in existing.
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Right. It wouldn't be... It, it... The only interesting thing that they could possibly speak to
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would be spending the last couple years in prison.
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Mm-hmm.
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And that's the last thing that they want to talk about for this interview.
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Well, and I also think the second thing that would be interesting to talk about would be
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not productive for them to have the conversation publicly. And that is,
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so now that you've been let out and pardoned-
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Right, right, right. Right.
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... you, you know your job now is...
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Now that you have fuck everybody up badge-
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Yeah.
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... yeah.
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You're, you, you're not dissuaded from
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doing exactly what you have been doing prior to going to jail. (laughs)
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Yeah.
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Like, you're only gonna do that, but more, right?
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Yeah. Yeah, that's worrisome, but I think b-
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what might even be worse is the people who actually have badges who feel like,
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"Finally, I'm allowed to be free," you know?
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Sure.
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You know? Who's stopping me?
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Well, I mean-
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Yeah.
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... you have somebody in office who's like, "We, we can solve stealing by cops having one rough day."
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You got it.
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You know? Like-
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Yeah.
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... I, I, I do feel like they're... You know, I think the world, the word
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emboldening got thrown around a lot when Trump first came into office.
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Sure, sure.
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And I think it's even more relevant now.
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Oh, yeah.
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Um.
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I'm emboldened.
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So, Stuart Rhodes, there is one thing that he says that I thought was interesting.
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Okay.
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The presumption of innocence in this country means that every
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single American is presumed innocent till proven guilty
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by a jury of their peers that is a fair jury, that's an impartial jury, and also
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in a, in a court with an impartial judge. That can't happen in Washington, DC. They drew the jury pool
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from the victim pool. They said all... The judges themselves said everyone in Washington,
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DC, all the residents are victims of J6.
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And the, and the judges even said that they themselves were victims. But they insisted on drawing the
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jury from the victim pool. It's as though you were being charged with, with robbing a Walmart
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and they drew the jury pool from everyone who was in the Walmart on the
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night of the robbery. You're not gonna get an unbiased jury. It's impossible. So, because you had
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no fair trial, you did not prove beyond a reasonable doubt in a fair
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trial, so that you should always, still presumed innocent
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until proven guilty. And that's why President Trump was fully justified in pardoning everybody.
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So, this is a lot of fun. Uh, I always love seeing these kinds of
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justice fetishizers bend themselves into pretzels to try to pretend to care about legal technicalities
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when they've done a bunch of crimes and are being held responsible for them. This is a case that's being
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held in DC, so the jurors are from DC.
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But everyone in DC is a victim of January
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6th, so it's impossible for them to be impartial jurors. Thus, this case is null and void.
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It's pretty easy to see Stuart having a problem with the court accepting, uh,
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that argument and then bringing in jurors from other states.
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Then his complaint would be the, the court can't bring in
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jurors from other locations. That's a violation of his due process rights.
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And even beyond that, couldn't we make the argument that
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literally everyone in America is a victim of January
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6th? That was a direct attempt to disenfranchise the entire country through stopping the transfer of power
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after an election. Every single person in the country would be affected by that, e- e-
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'cause it was an attack on our rights.
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If that's the case, it's pretty easy to see that Stuart could make an argument that finding an impartial jury
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is impossible anywhere. So, any trial and any jury he sat in front of would be illegitimate.
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His argument isn't about principles leading to a conclusion.
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It's about living out the conclusion that he decided on long ago, that he's above the law, and using
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dumb shit about legal technicalities to try to pretend that he's entitled
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to be that, to be in that state. And that's...
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... bullshit.
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Yeah.
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I would also argue that he should probably beh- be behind, like, a
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screen or s- or something. If I'm, if I'm in the jury
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and I see him, my first instinct is, "That's a fucking... C'mon, what are we doing?"
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Mm-hmm.
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It's not like he's a, I mean, uh, maybe he's got a glass eye or something
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in the courtroom, but that's a man that looks like he caused trouble (laughs) with j- at the Capitol.
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Now what if-
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(laughs)
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... uh,
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y- y- you know, s- obviously Stuart Rhodes i- is a, maybe a cool-ish sounding name.
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Sure.
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What if they called him Elmer all the time in court?
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Works for me.
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Would that help you?
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That would help me a lot.
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Hmm.
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I- Elmer's not breaking into the Capitol.
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No.
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No, come on.
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He's an adhesive man.
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Elmer's fine.
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Yeah.
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Elmer's, Elmer's got work to do. He's too busy.
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Mm-hmm.
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He's got, he's got shit going on in his life. Stuart, Stuart Rhodes, with an eye patch?
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That man is on the high seas or he's breaking into the Capitol.
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Can you think of four Elmers?
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Uh, Fud?
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Yep.
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Glue?
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Yep.
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Uh, uh, uh, Foster?
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What?
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Never heard of him.
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Nope.
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Nope. That would have been- (laughs)
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Because the third is Stuart Rhodes, but then there's a... Coming up with the fourth is impossible.
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Oh, his real name is Elmer?
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Yeah.
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Oh, I didn't know that.
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Yeah.
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Oh.
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I mean, I probably knew that at some point.
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You definitely knew that at some point.
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Yeah, that would have to be something I knew at some point.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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So their interview isn't that great. I don't really care about it all that much.
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Mm-hmm.
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Uh, and so afterwards, Alex is talking about, uh, the war in Ukraine.
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So it needs to stop right now, and the pressure needs to be put on Zelenskyy. Putin said,
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"Stop attacking the Donbas region, stop
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pushing Russians out, stop trying to ban the Russian
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language when Russia was founded there 1,000 years ago,
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and do not join NATO, and move your weapons out, or
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I'm gonna take..." Which he's taken one-third of the country,
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that's more defensible, it has, uh, rivers between it,
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so that you can't just roll right into Russia like Hitler did in Operation Barbarossa
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in late 1942. And Putin said, "M- take your missiles out."
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And if the Russians were doing this to us, I would be very angry at them and
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doing what the Russians have done. So
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Soros has been on CNN eight years ago, back when he could still
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talk, saying, "I'll soon be the czar of Russia. I
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got it over the State Department. I, I overthrew their governments."
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Sure.
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And that's what they did.
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So that's not a, not a quote. Um...
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Is that not a quote?
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No, not really.
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Not a direct quote?
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No.
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Hmm.
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I also think that, uh, I mean, this is perfectly framing of Alex's position-
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Yeah.
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... is that we have to put pressure on Zelenskyy to stop the war.
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Yeah.
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Like, I, I don't understand. D- the... You have to put pressure on him to accept Russia seizing
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a bunch of their territory.
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Here's what I'm doing.
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A bunch of Ukrainian land.
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Here's what I'm doing, all right? I'm pulling a... I've,
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I'm gonna th- I'm thinking like Alex now. I'm thinking, "Why even bother with real life? Movies are real."
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So we do a Dune, all right? We do an Atreides.
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Fucking Zelenskyy covers himself in Novichok.
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Peace, the accord, shaking some hands with Putin, done.
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Hmm.
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Both of them call it a night.
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Is Novichok the truth?
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Novichok is the tooth, yeah.
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The tooth!
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The tooth! Remember the tooth!
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Remember the tooth.
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Remember the tooth.
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Um, eh, I don't know. I, I just think it's funny that Alex is like, "Accept that he
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militarily stole a bunch of your country."
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Ah.
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"It's fine. You have to accept this."
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Hm.
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I don't, I don't understand how Alex is gonna have that position.
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(smacks lips) Yeah.
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But it's probably because he thinks that Russia is just cool. He just likes Russia, loves Putin.
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Why did the French give up Louisiana? Was it, was it because, uh, we (laughs)
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we went to war with Louisiana? No, I don't think so.
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Hmm.
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I don't think that's how it worked.
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So here, here Alex, uh, talks about how Russia's cool.
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Okay.
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And so, if you know the Russian psychology,
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they're done, they're not moving,
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and
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they have won.
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And now they've been dropping
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MIRV-equipped
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ballistic missile
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payloads onto Ukraine that pierce
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the best missile defenses in the world that are there, and so
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we are in a stalemate with these people, and there is no reason
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to be doing this.
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I mean, if Russia was promoting tyranny around the
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world like it was when the left ran it, I would still be against starting a war with them
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on their doorstep. But Russia is not. Russia culturally is, where we're now going as well, pro-family,
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pro-life,
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pro-national sovereignty-
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Pro-life?
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... anti-war-
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During a war?
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... anti-neoliberal death cult.
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Free speech is primary...
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Not really interested in the free speech.
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Oh.
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The free speech is actually one of the prime-
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Free press?
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No, no, definitely not.
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Hmm.
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Definitely not. Gotta get rid of that shit.
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Hmm.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I think it's a little telling for Alex to be like, "Russia is where we're going." (laughs)
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I'm just saying, if Russia is where we're going, obviously the administration would kill me very, very
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quickly because I'm saying things wrong.
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Mm-hmm.
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Yep, yep.
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Uh-
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That doesn't sound right.
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Y-
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um, I think, I think Alex should, uh, really, really assess
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where he's coming from.
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It, I-
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Like, this, this is parody comedy levels of, uh,
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not being who he pretends to be.
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Yeah, yeah. It is, it is such a like, they're treating it like TV.
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Mm-hmm.
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They're treating it like, "I'm just picking a team, and then we're arguing about it." Not like,
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"There are people who are going to be fucked over, and not just the people who are dying in the war, but if you
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cede territory, then the people who live there are going to be fucked over."
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Mm-hmm.
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"And that means that you're just going to be waiting for the next invasion."
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Mm-hmm.
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"They're just gonna regroup, They're gonna get more
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troops and more money and more power, and then take the rest of your fucking country."
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There's a false resolution.
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Yeah, it's not a resolution to give up territory, or even to
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declare peace. It is just waiting for the next one.
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Um, unfortunately. And-
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Yeah.
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But Alex wants, I guess, just
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the b- like, a "Let's pretend things are fine."
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, I guess, I guess only doing it three times is a pattern.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know? If you invade a place and then take some of their stuff,
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uh, and then go, "Hey, we're not gonna do that again."
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Mm-hmm.
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And then, a few years later, you invade a place and then you take their
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stuff and then you go, "Hey, buddy, we're for real done this time." And then a few years later,
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you go even harder. Uh, I think it's safe to expect the fourth one if you declare peace.
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No. It's hacky to do- hit the beat a fourth time.
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That's fair.
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The rule of threes.
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That's fair. Yeah.
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Uh, also, it's fine as long as you're not the left-
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(laughs)
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... and you're not trying to be all tyrannical and stuff.
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It is fine as long as you're not the left.
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It's fine.
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I should've thought of that.
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You're pro-family, it's all good.
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I should've thought of that. Pro-life.
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So, uh, Alex, uh, touches here on a little bit of conflict that Trump
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had with the, uh, the president of Mexico.
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Hmm.
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There's just so much going on. Uh, the Mexican president has been shooting her mouth off, so Trump started
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making some economic moves that has the peso tumbling,
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and, uh, now she's begging.
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So,
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there's just s- so much Trump's doing, uh, that is really, really good right now.
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Doesn't seem like something Alex should be super excited about. It seems
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cruel and awful and economic warfare-ish.
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"Uh, she said something, so we destroyed their economy," sounds like a very Dick thing to do.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So President Scheinbaum of Mexico has made it clear
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that she will accept people that Trump is deporting, but that there are a couple of priorities.
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The first is that these should be people from Mexico who are being sent to Mexico.
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If Trump's deporting people, it doesn't make sense to take people
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with other countries of origin and then send them to Mexico.
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The second is that she, along with many other leaders, holds that, uh,
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people arriving in the country should not be transferred on military planes.
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Trump has had a couple of tantrums about leaders of other
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countries not wanting to just let him
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do whatever he wants however he wants, so that's led to a little bit of trouble, which I guess Alex loves.
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Yeah.
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No good.
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No.
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No good.
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Not.
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Was it just... Is it really just about naming things? Was it just 'cause they renamed the gulf?
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I mean, that's not helping.
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Yeah.
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That's definitely not helping.
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I think, I think if that's the case, then
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they should call it, uh, uh, Not Mexico.
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Hmm.
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Like, so they have Mexico, and they're never calling it New Mexico again. They're calling it Not Mexico.
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Sure.
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That's what you have to do.
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Or-
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Retaliate in kind.
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Or take it.
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"Take it back!"
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Yeah.
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"It's ours now!"
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It says Mexico on it.
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It does say Mexico on it.
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Yeah.
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We could just... They could just vote to Mexicanize themselves.
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I guess.
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That sounds true.
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Yeah.
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I don't know if that's true.
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Based on Alex's-
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(laughs) It sounds pretty-
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... policies that he seems to-
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Yeah, that's a good point. (laughs)
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So, uh, Alex, you know, he, he loves Trump, likes Musk more, but
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he has a commitment to hold Trump's feet to the fire.
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Of course.
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Uh, about important issues.
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But you can't be mad at him.
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You can't be mad at him.
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(laughs) For giving half a trillion dollars to an evil, evil man.
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No, you can't be, you can't, uh, you can't be mad at him.
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Can't be mad.
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But you gotta hold his feet to the fire.
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Gotta hold his feet to the- Interesting.
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We are going to
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do what I've always promised you.
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No matter how much I like Trump, no matter how much I admire him as a man, no matter
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how much I know he's a good man, I also know Trump well, and I know that he's very smart in ways but also
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not very well informed on many others.
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But that doesn't matter.
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My job is promoting justice and freedom, not just for Americans, but everybody,
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because I live here and my kids live here, and if they're gonna have a future, you need a future. We are
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family, a human community. Black, white, old, young, doesn't matter.
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And Trump has a lot of challenges with the big tech titans and the billionaires
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and the rest of them that have been running the show for the deep state, and
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the fact that he's br- brought in Sam Altman
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with his Stargate project with $500 billion. The mRNA part of it, quote, "cancer cure," is
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a serious issue and very dangerous and problematic, but bigger than that is the government backing up
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OpenAI with SoftBank money, and they want government backing in it
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to create a monopoly in AI, which we know was the project before Trump got in with the Obama
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third t- term with puppet Biden.
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And so, it's the monopolization of AI
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through government that was going on behind the scenes with Altman and Microsoft
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and OpenAI and all of them together.
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Now you got Larry Ellison up there pitching it because
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Trump doesn't like Gates. And so we're gonna inform Trump on this.
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This is delusional, man. Like, Trump
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wants to do this. It's something that they
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launched on the first days of his presidency and they
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made a big deal out of announcing it. Like, it's $500 billion.
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That's a lot of money.
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This isn't just Trump being an amazing, God-selected leader who's just
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bumbling his way through governing. Like, this, this kind of image just isn't gonna fly.
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Hm.
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I can't, I can't accept it. I also see no evidence, uh,
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necessarily that Alex knows the difference between
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Sam Altman and Sam Bankman-Fried. I think he might think they're the same person.
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That's, that's entirely possible. I, I would b- I would believe that.
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Yeah.
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They might as well be in a-
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Sure.
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... in a way.
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Couple of-
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They should both be in prison probably.
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Couple of Sams.
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I wonder, I wonder, like,
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would, w- See, here's the problem.
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Mm-hmm.
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All right? Here's the problem with Trump being in government.
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If he's a private businessman, I know he's not gonna pay anybody $500 billion.
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You're gonna get screwed out of that money, right? But the government pays his bills.
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Hmm.
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(laughs) That's an issue for me.
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Yeah.
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I don't want those people actually getting that money.
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No, that is true. That is true. And it's our money in theory.
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It is-
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It's public funds and-
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It is our money, yeah. (laughs)
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Yeah.
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Paying taxes in it is an interesting choice this year.
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But I see the, I see what Alex is doing here, is like he thinks that it's holding
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feet to the fire, but what he's doing is making excuses.
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Yeah.
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You know? He's like, he loves, uh, loves the economy, he
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loves America. He's kinda dumb. He just, you know, he,
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he, he doesn't, he doesn't know. We need to educate him on this stuff. He's the fucking president.
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Yeah. Yup.
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Uh, shut the fuck up.
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It does feel like you should-
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He's not a bumbling old fool.
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You do have a responsibility to, uh, do the job.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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Especially since Alex was like, "This is,
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uh, humanity's future is at stake."
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I think, I think it's fun because the last,
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uh, 12 years have really made a great case for not allowing old people to be president.
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Yup.
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Yep.
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But, you know, it's, uh, it's th- the law
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that, uh, the time traveler in that Project Camelot episode talked about-
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(laughs) Yeah.
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... is becoming more and more appealing.
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(laughs) I'm hoping for, uh, who was it? Malia? Was it Malia Obama who was gonna be president in '16?
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Maybe.
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(laughs)
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So, uh, Alex, uh, talks a little bit about how everyone doesn't like him 'cause he supports Trump.
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Sure.
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At least the globalists don't.
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Mm-hmm.
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I know the bad guys don't like Trump. I know they don't like me for supporting him. And
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I don't want
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Trump to be a martyr,
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but I gotta tell you, if they ever do kill Trump,
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they are going to
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be absolutely destroyed, and I, I...
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Most of the globalists know that. That's why they're publicly rolling over, uh,
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but notice the ba- the big banks aren't 'cause they, they think they're the boss. They're arrogant.
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Uh, but when I looked at the Clintons and Obama and W, just as bad, all of them, they
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look like
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they had seen a ghost at the inauguration.
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So I don't just look at politics and numbers and facts, I also look at body language.
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I thought Bill Clinton was totally getting off on and having a great
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time with the inauguration because he loves power so much and, and Trump just embodies that.
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I do recall that from a very short time ago.
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Yeah, I guess Alex just forgot that bit of body language.
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In a day.
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I was thinking about something that
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Alex said in that clip that touched a nerve, and it's the claim that the globalists
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don't like Alex because he supports
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Trump. Admittedly, I'm not the globalists, but when he said that, I had a strange feeling.
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Initially, I thought, "Nah, I don't hate Alex because he supports Trump," because there's so many
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reasons not to like this lying piece of shit.
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But the more I thought about it, a lot of the reason I hate Alex does kind of relate to him supporting Trump.
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It's not that I hate him because he supports Trump though.
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It's his right to support Trump if he wants to. I don't really care.
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However, the fact that he's able to support
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Trump while pretending to have the political beliefs he's espoused over the course of his career
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very clearly illustrates that those beliefs weren't real to begin with.
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His support of Trump reveals how nothing he preached meant anything, and I hate him for that.
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We're living in a time with public trust
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issues, and that's something that I've had a sense of, on some level, for
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most of my adult life. I was 16 when a very
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large portion of the population just had to accept that the election had been stolen by the Supreme Court
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and a certain amount of healthy distrust has been important to maintain
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ever since that point, and that's why people like
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who Alex pretends to be are really important. We
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need renegade outside voices who don't let corporate systems absorb them.
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Over the course of my life, I've seen, uh, local TV and radio stations consolidated to the point where real
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non-syndicated media, separate from the power structure, that's pretty fucking rare.
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Alex is supposed to be that, and the level to which the last few years prove that he's not
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should make him the target of hate, especially from his fans.
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He built up the character of a renegade populist outsider. Then he used that to usher the audience
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into the thr- thrall of a political cult of personality
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that's gonna do all the shit that Alex screamed about the globalists doing, and then
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Alex is gonna reassure them that it's all fine 'cause it's Trump doing it.
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I think that maybe I do hate him because he supports Trump because
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him making that decision and everything he's done since
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proves that the renegade outsider rabble-rouser archetype is kind of a myth.
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He's kind of a living embodiment that that thing, that image,
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that I think, like, even on our first or early episodes I talked about
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the importance of someone like Alex existing in society.
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Sure, sure.
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I think I hate him because he illustrates that that's a delusion that I have.
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Hmm?
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That that fantasy of that, that kind of character is, is from fiction.
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I wonder if it's m- I wonder if it's as much, like...... people want to
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feel like that, uh, but they don't wanna live like that.
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No.
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You know? I wanna feel like the person who's a rabble-rouser on the outside, but I would also
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like the government to be competent, you know?
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Mm-hmm.
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And it's like, you can't have one (laughs) without the other. A competent government
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doesn't need an Alex Jones. It's only an
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incompetent government that needs an Alex Jones, and Alex Jones has created an incompetent
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government by virtue of being an idiot.
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Mm-hmm.
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Fascinating.
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But a competent government could still use an Alex type, uh,
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in, in terms of asking questions that are outside of the mainstream, you know? Like, I
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don't... I, I think that, uh, th- it's part of
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an extension of, like, a really adversarial media.
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I think that, you know, it doesn't exist within the same umbrella as,
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you know, the mainstream outlets and shit.
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Sure.
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But that, that kinda person...
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Yeah. No, I mean, yeah. I suppose the delusion is essen- you know, like, eventually, they will be bought.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know? Like, it doesn't matter, um, that by... Uh, well, I guess we won't be bought, that's it. (laughs)
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The delusion, the delusion is that, that, uh,
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that that is not something that has, uh... Uh, is, is deper- is devoid of ambition.
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Sure, sure.
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It's, it's something that can't... Yeah. Ba- basically what you're saying.
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Yeah.
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Is it can be bought.
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You'll-
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It's not pure, it's not-
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You'll eventually be bought, yeah.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. 'Cause, you know-
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Yeah.
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... eventually, even... You know, I...
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Like, why would you still care about Joe Rogan after he gets $100 million contract?
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Yeah.
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He's been purchased.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know? Like, so your perception of him
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included the perception of a person who would not immediately be purchased for $100 million.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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And, and it should call into, like, question
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how you experienced a lot of the content that he put out prior to it.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Like, it's, it's just, it's, it's strange to me, uh, and I, I resent Alex for being such an embodiment of that.
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Yeah.
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And I don't even think that I would feel this way if he was
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still, like, the
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(laughs) I don't know early 2000s shithead liar-
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Yeah.
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... who has a bunch of positions that I don't agree with.
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I mean, I think it comes back to what we said, you know? You, you
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die a Bill Cooper or you live to become Alex Jones.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know? That's just what is, that's just how it's going.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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And it's sad.
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Yeah, it's sad.
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So Alex rants a little bit here, because, uh... I don't know if you saw,
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there was a clip going around of a pastor who was, uh, speaking
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in front of Trump and Vance, uh, and, uh, saying, "Hey, uh, you should be merciful."
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Interesting.
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Uh, there's a lot of people who are scared.
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Very pissed off about that.
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Yeah. There's, there's a lot of people who are like, "You know,
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immigrants?"
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Sure.
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"LGBTQ folk, you should, uh, extend mercy, like a god might."
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Sure, you think. Yeah.
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Um, and so that really makes Alex mad.
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Of course it does.
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Yeah, so he starts ranting about how, uh, trans folks are a conspiracy of the Tavistock Institute.
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Great. Great.
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Instead of just saying this lady's a whacked-out
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liberal, we need to expose that they know exactly what they're doing, and it's the Black Rock and the UN
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that's funding and doing all of this to tear our civilization
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and our society aw- uh, apart. The transgender movement was
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started... And I don't hate individuals that think they're that. The point is, they're being brainwashed
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into depopulation, into sterilization.
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MI6, the Tavistock Institute developed this plan in the '60s, it's declassified, and the biggest
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money in the world is pushing this. And they're not telling parents
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in public and private schools that they're fast-tracking 'em and putting 'em into a sexual
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cult to then tie them to the politics that go with that. This is
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mind control. Here's the clip, I wanna get your response to it.
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In the name of our God,
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I ask you
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to have mercy upon the people
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in our country
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who are scared now.
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There are
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gay, lesbian, and transgender children in
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Democratic, Republican, and Independent families. Some
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who fear for their lives.
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So yeah, that's, that's gonna make... That makes you mad. (laughs)
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Sure, yeah. I can't stand it when a religious leader says something like,
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"Forgive us our trespasses as we forgive the trespasses of others."
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Yeah.
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What an asshole.
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I, I'm amazed by how much this angers Alex.
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I, I'm not, because you can't... I mean, it happens
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in the Bible, how much the Bible pisses off people (laughs) who don't like the Bible.
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It's fair enough.
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(laughs)
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Fair enough. So yeah, he's mad about that.
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Yeah.
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Uh, so here, here's a little bit of a... Little, little bit of talk about that.
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Sure.
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Uh, but mostly, a lo- like most (laughs) of this episode is about
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holding F- Trump's feet to the fire.
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Sure.
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About this Oracle OpenAI thing.
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Right.
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Now, last night, I got home about 7:00.
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Went to the front page of X
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and saw
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Larry Ellison, Sam Altman, and the owner of SoftBank
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- and I know all three of them, their pasts and who they are very well - and
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I clicked on the
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video that we'll play in a moment, then go to Dr. Robert Malone, of Larry Ellison of Oracle
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responding to Trump about, "What does this AI do for us?" Well, it cures cancer.
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mRNA.
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Now, everybody's been horrified by the meeting a month ago with Bill Gates,
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with Trump. And Bill Gates said last week, "Oh, Trump's really interested in all the things mRNA can do."
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And you know Trump bought into their Warp Speed
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five years ago, and that's the big thing Trump did wrong. And he's got RFK Jr. in there, uh, uh, going into HHS.
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That's a real mea culpa by Trump, and you're already seeing him pulling red
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dye out and going after the fluoride, and
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talking about stripping the vaccine makers of immunity. And we've got Trump releasing the JFK files today.
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Huh, I mean, this is, this is moving quick. So a lot of good's happening.
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(sighs) But I pledge-
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Is it?
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... to listeners
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that
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when Trump does things I don't agree with, I will
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talk about it, and we will be there to hold his feet to the fire.
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I know Trump well.
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Trump is very smart, but he's, doesn't have a lot of knowledge on certain
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subjects, and he's gotten a lot smarter
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in the last nine years of being persecuted, particularly the last four.
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But he loves technology, he loves all this stuff, and he wants to be a hero.
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He wants to be a hero. He is a lot of, uh, b-... He's a, he's a vain person.
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Hm.
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I think that there is no distinction between
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holding someone's feet to the fire and making excuses, for Alex.
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Yeah.
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This is, they are the exact same thing.
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Absolutely.
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He is just making excuses.
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Bringing the, bringing up the things that would make me want to hold his feet to the fire, only to excuse them-
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Mm-hmm.
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... so I don't have to hold his feet to the fire.
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Right.
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There's the reasons, and there's no limit. There's no end to it.
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I don't think so.
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And no matter what limit you get to, he will move the goalposts.
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Right.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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So it's, it's ridiculous.
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We've already seen Trump shove ISIS up our dirty assholes.
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Yep.
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There is not, like... We, we've already done that.
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Can't go much further than that, yeah.
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And Alex has made excuses constantly since, so, like...
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So I don't know.
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Yep.
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So, uh, Alex... I, I was like, "Why is he covering this so much?"
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There's so much news that's going on. Trump has done all kinds of shit.
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Sure.
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There's, uh, you know... We, w- some of the things that are
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obviously you'd wanna talk more about
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haven't happened yet at this point.
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Sure.
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But there's still a great deal that Trump did in the first two days.
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Yeah.
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And so, like,
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being all up on this AI thing I thought was strange-
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Yeah.
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... until Alex said this-
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Okay.
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... and everything came into focus.
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... show, when Musk does things I don't like, I will tell you.
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I'm not here working for Elon Musk just because I'm a big supporter and like
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the majority of what he's doing. Same thing with Trump.
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Uh, but I saw a lot of people online saying, "I bet Alex Jones comes out for all of this tomorrow." Psh.
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I'm gonna come out with what I believe is the most accurate information. That's why the inventor
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of mRNA, here with us, that we'll go to in a moment.
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So yeah, Alex says, uh-
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Ah.
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... people were making fun of him on Twitter.
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Ugh. Yep.
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They're like, uh... People were saying, "Oh, I bet he supports this." (laughs)
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Yep.
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No, I don't support it, I'm gonna make excuses for it.
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Exactly.
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(laughs)
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It's not that I support it, I don't want it to happen, it's that the other guy would be worse.
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Alex is a, I think he's self-conscious, um, and people have made fun of him on Twitter
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and so he's doing his show about this.
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Yeah, that's brutal.
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So we've got one last clip, because Alex interviews Robert Malone-
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Right.
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... the maker of MRNA technology-
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Bobby Malone.
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... who is not alone. Um, and, uh, I, I, this guy, guy's a real dickhead.
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Okay.
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Uh, but there's one clip that I thought was kind of funny.
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Okay.
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Plus, does Trump understand, as you said,
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the Chief of Staff certainly does, how unpopular MRNA is after the giant disaster?
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No, he doesn't. Actually, that, that I know, okay? He is all dug in
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that Operation Warp Speed was a huge success and that the, uh, genetic vaccines worked
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and that they're a major success story for him. And I've talked to, I'm sure you have also,
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many, many people who have been in the prior administration and are in contact with him routinely,
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and they all say that this is not something that's negotiable.
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He is dug in on this position. And that's just the way it is.
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It's not good. What do we do?
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Uh, I don't know the answer. Sorry, had to, to tell that telephone call to go away.
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No, I understand.
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Um-
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I mean this is a situation, 'cause look, you know,
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Trump on a lot of fronts is doing great things, he's a reformer-
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Yeah, absolutely.
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... but on this, on this, he wants to be a hero and these guys come
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lie to him, and his optimism's great, but he has major blind spots.
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That sounds like more than a blind spot. Like, that sounds like he sucks.
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Uh, if you're, if you're coming from the standards that Alex has, he's a piece of shit. (laughs)
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I, I, I,
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if somebody digs in on a thing, then you have conflict.
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Well, and the digging in is on recognizing publicly that the COVID vaccine was a bioweapon release-
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Yep.
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... that the globalists did in response to COVID
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which was a bioweapon release that they had done prior to this-
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Right.
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... and Trump got sucked into, uh, supporting it.
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His pride and his ego won't allow him to do it, uh, to, to admit that publicly-
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Yeah.
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... which is what's making him dig his heels in.
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Yeah.
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And it's not a small thing. Uh, uh-
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No, it's a huge thing.
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Yeah, it's the, you know, I think that there's probably
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plenty of events over the course of history that might be controversial.
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Sure.
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But you could have some leader who was like, "I believe that
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I did the right thing. It was an incredibly difficult, uh, uh, decision to make."
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Sure.
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Whatever. That's not this.
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Yeah.
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This is-
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No, I-
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... a bioweapon release-
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I mean, let's-
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... that changed the world.
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What's so ironic about it is that it's,
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I think it's similar to, like, Alex and when a mainstream media article,
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uh, you know,
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uh, "Oh, mainstream media's bullshit.
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Ooh, The New York Times said something I agree with," you know? In, insofar as like,
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that is the one real thing that Trump did-
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Mm-hmm.
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... that was good.
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Yeah.
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Like, at the end of his life, on his deathbed, he can be like, "It is because of me that
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10 million people are still alive," or whatever it is he wants to do.
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Sure.
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You know, that's what he can hold onto, and that's the thing that people ha- hate him for. (laughs)
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Yeah.
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On his own team.
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Yep.
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I hate this guy because he actually saved lives instead of what I wanted him to do.
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Yeah, that-
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The, the irony.
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Well, I, yeah, that's an amazing irony.
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Yeah.
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And then on top of that, you have the, like, making excuses shit on
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11 here.
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Yeah.
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Because I think that if I were somebody who supported X, Y, or Z politician-
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Sure.
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... and they were complicit,
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they got fooled into releasing a bioweapon, and then in response to that they got fooled into
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creating a vaccine that was also a bioweapon.
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Yeah.
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I think that I would have massive problems with ever supporting them ever again.
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If only because you clearly are stupid.
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Yep.
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You clearly are so gullible-
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Yep.
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... to the point where you
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endanger the world.
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Yeah.
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Um,
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so I feel like this should be a bigger deal for them.
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Yeah.
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'Cause they're, they're pretending to believe that COVID and the vaccines were bioweapons.
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I, I think, I think what's going on, and I think this happens to a lot of people, uh,
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especially now that you're on the internet, is like
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your
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point of view on your own intelligence gets wrapped up in whether or not these
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famous people are intelligent, right?
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Mm-hmm.
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So, like, if you get to the point where you have to say,
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"Actually, Elon Musk is a fucking idiot," then you have to look at yourself and go,
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"Fuck, I am also an idiot, because I've invested 10 years in this guy," you know?
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Sure, and I think that there's also an element that's threatening about, like, seeing
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one of the richest people in the world and being like, "He's an idiot."
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Yeah.
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"Why am I not?"
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Right. Oh, totally.
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An idiot is that rich.
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Yeah.
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(laughs) Why am I not?
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Yeah.
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Maybe (laughs) there's no such thing as the meritocracy-
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Right.
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... and all of this is a random shakeup of a universe that exploded 18 billion years ago.
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I think-
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No one knows!
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... I think accepting some of that is deeply threatening to people.
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Yeah, I bet.
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And I, yeah.
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It's hard, it's hard, because otherwise, like, well, why should
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any of them be President kind of feelings start to come up, and that's not okay for these people.
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Well, yeah, and then I think it does end up eventually weaving into a lot of questions about property.
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Yeah. (laughs)
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And...
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Wait, maybe we should share things. Oh, no!
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Shit.
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Aw, fuck.
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So, I think, um, that the,
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uh, if you were looking to understand what's going on in the world, I don't think you'd have
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very good prism through InfoWars coverage.
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Doubtful.
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Uh, but maybe it'll pick up.
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Boy, I mean, I, I almost said, well, you could understand
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Stu- and then I was like, no, you can't, that doesn't even, that, that's e- obscuration.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Um, we can look forward to Alex trying to rationalize Trump's, uh, freeze of all government spending-
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(laughs) Yeah.
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... which ends up, uh, doing things like, uh, getting rid of all kinds of offices
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that, you know, like the Office of Missing and Exploited Children.
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Sure.
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S- things like this, sort of s- side domino effects that, uh, maybe he doesn't think of or
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can't wait to hear his take on-
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Yeah.
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... Guantanamo Bay. Uh. (laughs)
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I think we're, I think we're at a place now,
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'cause didn't that, 'cause that spending freeze got either challenged or
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rescinded because of course it did.
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Yeah.
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I think we're at the place now where everybody at all of these agencies
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should just assume everything is going to go to court.
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Mm-hmm.
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So you don't have to do anything for, like, two years.
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Yeah.
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You know? Like-
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Until a court tells you.
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"Oh, oh, he's r- signed an executive order to do this, uh, hey, let's, let's hold on, guys."
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Yeah.
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"Let's wait a couple of years and see where we are."
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's, uh, it, it's, it's-
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Everybody just keep doing what you're doing, pretend
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that he's not there until a court says you have to believe in him.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It has the feel of, like, uh, someone who's, "I declare a beach day."
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Great.
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And then y- y- you run off and you put on your swim
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trunks, get a little sunscreen on your nose, and then, uh, turns out, oh no, it is not a beach day-
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Oh, no!
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... 'cause it's, there's clouds out and it's all rainy.
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Ugh.
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So you just, uh, you, you put on your shorts for nothing.
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Ah, what a waste of everybody's time.
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Yep.
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And money.
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Yep.
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But at least Open AI will get a half a trillion dollars. (laughs)
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Thank God.
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Yep.
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So we'll see what happens, uh, down the line, but until then, we have a website.
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Indeed we do, it's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep. Uh, we'll be back, but until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark, I am the mysterious professor.
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Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo.
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And now, here comes w- the sex robots.Andy in Kansas, you're on the air, thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller, I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
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I love you.
