Transcript/1135: Tucker, The Man And His Holocaust Questions

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Kool And The Gang

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Dan and Jordan. Knowledge Fight.

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Riddle her, riddle her, riddle her.

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I need, I need money.

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Riddle her, riddle her, riddle her.

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Andy and Kansas. Andy and, Andy.

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Stop it. Andy and, Andy and Kansas.

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Andy and, Andy. It's time to pray.

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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us.

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Hello Alex, I'm a system caller. I'm with your Japan.

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I love your world.

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Knowledge Fight.

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Knowledgefight.com.

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I love you.

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Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're couple dudes. Like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex jokes.

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Oh indeed we are Dan.

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Jordan.

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Dan!

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Jordan.

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Quick question for you.

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What's up?

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What's your bright spot today buddy?

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My bright spot today is actually that someone made a significant donation to Selene's call to justice.

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It reminded me that I haven't closed that charity drive that we did.

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I thought it automatically closed.

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It seems like that's how it should work.

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So I wanted to say thank you. That was a really nice gift from a wonk and I'm gonna close that.

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And maybe we'll start another charity thing.

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I'd forgotten that was there.

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But it was really, it burned my heart that that was how I was reminded. So thank you.

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That's great.

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Yeah.

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That's absolutely delightful.

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So what about you? What's your bright spot?

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My bright spot is I went and saw my family. It was nice.

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I don't know if you recall the last time that I saw my family.

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But my brother's children this time back to the beginning did not acknowledge me whatsoever.

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Whoa.

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One of them, one of them staunchly refused.

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I was yelling at her like directly in her face about how I existed.

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I was trying to get her to look at me in some form.

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I'm a very loud person.

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Yeah.

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Straight ahead.

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Yeah.

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Dead eyes.

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That's too much.

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That's like it's not gonna fall.

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It's a challenge. It's a challenge. I know. I know. I was trying to steal a look.

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I think that you gotta not trust somebody who's yelling at you that they exist.

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Yeah. That's fair. That's fair. It seems like something a person who didn't exist would do.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's scammy.

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Well, I have interacted with real objects before though. So I think she would have to.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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If she saw you sitting in that chair, that chair is real.

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It is real.

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Yeah.

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But ghosts can sit in chairs. I've saw the sixth sense.

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He didn't fall to the center of the earth.

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I'm trying to remember if there are any chairs in Casper.

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Remember that movie?

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I do remember that movie.

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Man.

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Was that Bill Pullman in it?

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Probably. I just said, man. And I realized that the next thing I was about to say was that me and

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Angela Lampsbury, we were trying to watch Rob Schneider's The Hot Chick.

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Oh boy.

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Because neither of us knew why the movie existed.

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What was it?

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What's the plot?

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What is it? It's The Hot Chick?

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And her internet crapped out halfway through. So now I've seen half of The Hot Chick.

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Did it make sense?

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No.

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Of course not.

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It sucks.

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Well, there you go.

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But it's still disappointing that I haven't finished it.

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Hey, I just read, I'm telling you right now, I just read that if Scary Movie something does well,

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right? We might be getting White Chicks too. So the game has changed.

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I mean, there are questions that were left unanswered.

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White Chicks definitely ended with the idea that the Wayans brothers were going to be friends with

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these girls for life. Like they really hit it off. But I don't know if we need to see another one.

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Yeah. Well.

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I'd rather see another little man.

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Little man too? Littler men?

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Yeah. It's Tracy Morgan back.

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Absolutely. That seems like, that's where we should have had Walter Matherow and John.

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That's littler men.

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Well, we'll get on right in that script.

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All right.

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But for now we have an episode we gotta do.

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Okay.

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And this sucks.

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Oh, great.

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This sucks.

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All right.

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And we'll talk about what's up. But before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some

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new wonks.

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That's a great idea.

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So first, matching garlic bread tattoos. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you. Next, Scrapper wants cowboy and Crazy Eights to stop fucking around and get in their

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giant ghost robots. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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And Halden, thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Thank you very much.

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And we got second grad in the next, Jordan. So thank you so much to Alex Jones,

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Jackie Chan, and that bitch MacGyver. I'm the number one wonk star.

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You're now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy wonk.

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Four stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark.

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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

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He's a loser. Little, little titty baby.

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I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

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I would like the record to show that I added the wah, wah, wah, wah.

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Listen, there were instructions and I was like, I don't need to put those in there.

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I know he'll pick it up. And you did.

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It took me a second, but once I got to the MacGyver, it was pretty clear.

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There you go.

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So Jordan, unfortunately today we have a Tucker episode.

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Oh, God damn it.

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Why are you doing what you're doing?

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Well, Alex, I'm sorry. I'm sorry to confuse you.

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But you, Alex, have been out of studio all this week,

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which I think is the best decision that he could have made at this point.

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Probably.

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Trump has completely burned him and Alex's response was the weakest shit that he could

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have possibly done. He pretended not to be mad about it, allowed Roger to condescend to him on

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the next day's show. And then he tried to save face by threatening to destroy Trump if he says,

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one more thing.

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One more. Oh, one more word. 16 or 17 more insults and I'm going to be real mad at you.

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Knuckle sandwich.

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As luck would have it, Trump didn't heed Alex's warning.

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Oh, did he do one more?

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On Friday morning, Trump got on Truth Social and posted, quote,

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It's easy. Tucker is a low IQ person, always easy to beat and highly overrated.

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So are Megyn Kelly in quotes, Candace and then in parentheses,

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really dumb and mentally ill and bankrupt Alex Jones, who is completely, quote, fried.

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There are others also. Then we have some that are very good. True maga all the way and smart.

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I should do a list of the good, bad and somewhere in the middle.

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Wouldn't that be fascinating? President DJT.

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I'm sorry, did he just did he just threatened to do a top 10 most loyal media stars list?

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He soft pitched a. All right.

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So he's he's working for BuzzFeed now. Is that the new plan?

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President listicle. Yeah, man. I thought that was I mean, it would be fascinating.

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Yeah. I mean, I think we know. Didn't Nixon have an enemies list?

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Yeah, but not a cool guys list.

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And then a somewhere in the middle.

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Yeah, that would be a very strange series of lists.

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I think we know who he hates and who he likes. Right. Right.

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All right. I'd be interested in who's in that middle list.

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I would be interested in what the existence of the middle list even means. Why would you

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why would you feel so neutral about somebody? You had to write it down.

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Ira Glass in the middle. Very neutral on Ira Glass.

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Real fucking neutral on Ira Glass. So Alex begged Trump to just say one more thing.

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And then Trump did that. Yeah, he doubled down. So now Alex has no choice to but to

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burn the house down. Unsurprisingly, Alex didn't burn the house down.

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Instead, Harrison opened the show on Friday and Alex sent in a hugely disappointing two

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minute mope video. It was about the weakest he's ever looked. And I'm not even interested

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in playing any of it for you. Okay. Alex set up the terms of engagement where if Trump

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said anything else, he was going nuclear. Trump said something else. So if Alex doesn't

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go nuclear then he's showing surrender. Yep. So it doesn't matter what you said.

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You fucked it up. Yep. The only thing that's at all interesting about Alex's response is

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that he seems to think that Trump said that Alex was fired, but Trump said fried.

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Oh. It's weird, but I also don't care that much.

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And I don't want to look into it. Trump's insane. I want to look into not like of all

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the things. Listen, very low on the list. I would like to though know what was going

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on when he put those scare quotes around Candace in specific. Right. Is that not her real name?

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Is it a character that he's describing? He uses quotes weirdly a lot. There's a Hunter

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S. Thompson-y quality to his capitalization and punctuation. Poor. Seemingly random at times.

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There we go. Okay. But in this tweet, Candace and fried are the only two words that are in quotes.

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Wait, fried is in quotes. Yes. See now that sort of makes it... He said fire.

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Thinks he said fire. I mean, it could sort of work though, because he is using fried as a metaphor

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to like mean something else. So you could use scare quotes around fried. I don't understand

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Candace though. Yeah. No, the Candace is tough. I was thinking like, okay,

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Roger probably has told Trump that Alex is like a drunk. Yeah. He's fried. He is fried. I'm sure.

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I could see Trump. Oh, it could be a quote. Okay. It could literally be a quote. That's possible.

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Like a jab at Alex. Right. But that can't be the case for Candace. No. But I also don't care.

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Quotes and parentheses for Candace? This is wild. Really dumb and mentally ill in parentheses.

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So Alex wasn't the only media figure who's taken hits in this whole thing.

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Okay. Tucker Carlson was also included in Trump's tirade. He's included in the group of people whose

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families know they're stupid. And he was singled out as a man who was broken by being fired from

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Fox and someone who needs to find a good psychiatrist. Tucker is sitting in a slightly

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different position than Alex in terms of how this affects his brand. In the lead up to and right

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after the 2024 election, Tucker was one of the most embarrassing Trump cheerleaders in the media.

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He pretended to be attacked by a demon in his bed. And he famously did a speech where he called

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Trump daddy and said he was home and he was going to spank his unruly children. Yeah. He called

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Trump daddy. There's no going back from calling. You can't call any man daddy unless you mean it.

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And then by all means, but Tucker did a tour of live shows before the election,

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only not called campaign rallies because that would have been illegal. Yeah. Trump's son was

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one of Tucker's guests, as was JD Vance, along with future Trump appointees, Dan Bongino,

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RFK Jr, Vivek Ramaswamy. And the grand finale was with Trump himself. But I think that Tucker was

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savvy enough to understand that he needed to change gears a little bit once Trump got back

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in office. He was sitting pretty if Trump overthrew our democracy and went full dictator,

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but Trump was basically setting up a situation where Tucker was going to be broke and a joke

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if the public ever really turned on Trump while the public's opinions still mattered.

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Tucker would be just taken out with the rabbit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And in the past year,

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I think that Tucker's done a decent job of making sure that his career doesn't rely solely on Trump,

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mostly by making his white supremacist undertones far more explicit and by masking his underlying

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antisemitism with a zealous hatred for Israel. So I was a little curious what Tucker was going

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to be up to now that Trump has burned him. Sure. To give you a little sense of where he's going,

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the title of this episode that he put out is quote, Tucker on the new religion of Trump's

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America and his mockery of Jesus Christ, which sounds good. Sounds like things are good.

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Oh my God. Jesus Christ. I would like for any, anyone, anyone, anyone to say, you know what?

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I think this is probably because of the stuff I believed and I think I'm going to believe

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different stuff now. God, it would be great. Anybody, anybody about anything really.

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Yeah. Yeah. It'd be nice. Some introspection on Tucker's part would be fucking awesome.

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Hey, maybe I fucked up and I'll do something different.

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Yeah. Hey, daddy's home and he started a new religion.

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Yep. Oops. Wow.

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So we start off and Tucker is wrestling with the question of how can Trump be so religious,

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but also not be religious. Very obvious answers to these questions I imagine.

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Donald Trump is a famously irreligious man, just not that interested, basically secular,

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a product of his time and place. If you doubt that, some of the funniest clips ever of Donald

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Trump, and this is not a criticism, they're legit funny, are him being interviewed during the 2016

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campaign and asked basic questions like, what's your favorite book of the Bible? To which he says

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with some confusion, well, the Bible, maybe unaware there are component books to it.

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So Donald Trump is not someone who traditionally or ever really has weighed in on questions of

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faith or theology kind of gives it a pass or smiles. Yeah, I'm for it. I'm for it. The Bible.

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It's got to feel really freeing to be in Tucker's position where you finally just get to speak

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truths that were plainly evident to everyone this whole time, but you had to pretend weren't true.

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All of us were saying that Trump was using the illusion of religion to fool people into

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supporting him. But back then, Tucker was invested in maintaining the kayfabe. He couldn't just call

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it out. He was also using the illusion of religion to trick people. The critical thing

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to understand is that Tucker knew that Trump was a fucking buffoon using religion as a weapon back

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then. He just liked what he thought Trump was going to do with that weapon. That isn't true

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anymore. So all of a sudden Tucker starts making these amazing observations that any idiot could

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have told you a decade ago. What a discovery he makes. What Tucker is doing here is offensive

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because he's taking lies that he sold his audience in the past and saying, isn't this lie funny?

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Can you believe how transparently manipulative Trump was about religion? It's hilarious that

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we got you dumdums to believe he was on a mission from God. Understood correctly, he's rubbing his

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audience's face in this mess and trying to be like, um, that wasn't me. That was another guy.

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Yeah. I mean, it is, it is going to be the great, uh, the great rubbing your face in how I conned

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you is the next couple of years is just going to be nonstop people being like, I can't believe you

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suckers believed the things that somebody else totally said to you. Don't listen to me five

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years ago. Very rich con people in transition are weird. They're fucking weird because they have to

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get to their new perch, but they are, they have to pretend that they weren't on this other one.

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And the con to get away from the con is the most disgusting of cons. Yeah. Yeah. But, but it's

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also in some ways, uh, more, more interesting than a stable. It's the most important one.

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So, um, look, Trump, Trump tweeted on Easter and it was bad. It was that one where he said

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he was going to destroy the one that he said where he was going to destroy. Yeah, it was bad.

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But in the space of one week, Donald Trump, the same famously irreligious,

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Donald Trump has weighed in in pretty specific ways on matters of faith and theology and religion

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publicly in ways that are disruptive and sort of hard to understand, but worth trying to understand.

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So all of this began about 10 days ago on Easter Sunday, early on Easter Sunday before 9am on

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Easter Sunday when Trump tweeted that he was planning on destroying civilian infrastructure

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in Iran. It was going to be bridge and power plant day, basically promising war crimes,

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crimes against civilians, against the population of the country. And then in that same tweet or

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truth, he used the F word on Easter Sunday. And then he seemed to make fun of Islam, praise Allah,

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he said. So in one short statement of about 110 words, he seemed to give the finger to the world's

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two largest religions, Christianity and Islam. Hmm. That was Sunday. So on the surface, we can

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all kind of agree here. That was a bad tweet, super offensive stuff. And definitely should have

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at least got Trump arrested and taken out of power. Probably. But what's important to recognize

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about Tucker's rhetoric is what's going on behind the surface. He hates Islam and Muslims, so he

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doesn't give a single shit about Trump insulting them. But he draws attention to how Trump gave the

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finger to Islam and Christianity in this Easter tweet. The reason he's doing that is because the

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hidden thesis of his argument is that Trump is doing all this stuff because of the Jews.

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And it's painfully transparent, even from like two sentences in to his dumb hour long lecture.

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Yep. So these are the two important Abrahamic religions and the...

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But Trump only loves one of them. Man, I...

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Here's what's fun, right? I imagine that, you know, weather permitting, the future might include

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more Tucker for us. You know what I'm saying? Depending on how things go.

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I mean, my big plan was to enter the dark ages where we would just watch Dark Journalist and

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Dark Waters, but I started watching their channels and they suck shit.

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Yeah, it's going to be a problem.

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The dark ages are literally the dark ages. That's not a show.

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That's terrible.

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Yeah. But no, I won't subject you to that much more Tucker.

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I'm just saying that I was listening to it and it's funny now, like the first words of his voice

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are visceral. But now that I'm past him, it is funny to listen to this idiot talk.

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Oh yeah.

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Like he's insane.

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Yeah.

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It is wild to truly see... It's like when a British person is absolutely nuts,

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but for somebody who's like, oh, the accent is bewildering, you know,

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that kind of... It feels like that's what he's doing.

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Well, I feel like I've never boxed and I've never been in a real fist fight. But I imagine that

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once you take your first punch, you see the fight more clearly.

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Sure.

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You can appreciate what's going on in terms of like you and your opponent after you get

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the nerves of that one hit out of the way. So Tucker's voice comes in and then you see everything.

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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, there's... What was the quote? You know,

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no plan survives a punch in the face or whatever. But if your plan is like,

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oh, this punch wasn't that bad, then you can move on with your life.

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Yep.

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It's nice.

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I did, while preparing this episode, find a clip of Donald Trump telling that story.

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I found like three people telling that story.

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Yeah.

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And they all said, my friend Mike Tyson has said. Like, everyone's friends with Mike Tyson.

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Mike Tyson is inexplicably a center point for all weirdos.

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You know why?

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Yeah.

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Toad.

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That does make sense.

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Yep. So Trump did this shit, this bad Easter tweet.

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He said the F word on Easter, where Jesus could hear him.

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Tucker fainted.

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These people are so... These people are so absurd.

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So then he had the nerve to attack the Pope.

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No.

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And then exactly one week later, also on Sunday, the Christian Holy Day, he attacked the Pope,

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the leader of the world's largest religion and largest Christian denomination,

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and attacked him personally and said, basically, he's only Pope because of me.

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He's bad. The Pope is bad.

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Tucker does not give a shit about Trump attacking the Pope.

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He likes a lot of Catholics because there's a strong segment of the Christian nationalist

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community who are Catholics, but there's no fucking chance he cares about the Pope.

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For most of my life, the Pope has been a figure that the right wing hates because he's been

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marginally tolerant, or at least that's the public image that they like to keep up.

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All of the Catholics that Tucker likes don't believe the current Vatican is legitimate.

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Right.

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So you'll have to forgive me if I don't take his shock at Trump fighting with the Pope too

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seriously. This is bizarre.

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The people he likes are in favor of burnings.

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Yes.

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Like that's where they are.

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They're in the religion of the Dark Ages, if you will.

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They think that Catholicism in particular lost its way because it eschewed fascism.

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So they said whoops after the Holocaust.

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I mean, you know, like, okay, this is absurd on its face.

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The idea that he gives a shit about the Pope based upon what his previous beliefs are and

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his current beliefs and probably all of his beliefs of the future.

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That's absurd.

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But even if he was sincere about it, it would be almost more absurd because the Pope, like,

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are you mad that he's mad at the Pope?

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Or Catholicism?

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Or how do you think the Pope works?

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Right.

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I think that this is a situation where this could have been ignored.

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Yeah.

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Like, he doesn't like globalist popes and all that stuff.

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So he could have probably let this slide.

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Yeah.

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But Trump took it a little too far after this, and now it's just too much.

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Uh oh.

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And then later that day, maybe most interestingly, bafflingly of all, he sent out this, this

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meme.

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Take a look at this.

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Now, there are two on the screen.

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The one on the right is the one that he sent out, and it's himself, it's Donald Trump,

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President of the United States, dressed as Jesus, healing a man.

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You can see the healing power coming off of his right hand.

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Sure.

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Now, the image on the left of your screen is the original image, and it was floating

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around the internet.

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Who knows exactly where it came from, but it's been there for quite some time.

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The one on the right is the one the president sent out, White House Communications Office

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or whoever does this, sent out, and you'll notice that it's been changed, and the American

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soldier over the president's head, the president as Jesus' head, has been changed and is now,

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if you look very carefully, a demon, some kind of winged creature of hell.

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Sure.

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So it goes from an image that suggests healing and light to an image that suggests, I don't

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know, a scene from Revelation, John's vision on the Isle of Thutmose, the end times, the

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apocalypse, who knows nothing good.

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The worst.

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It suggests demonic power because there is a demon in it.

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That does suggest demon.

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So I've seen this picture, and I don't know if I'm convinced about the demon thing.

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Yeah?

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I'm not gonna say it's not a demon, and I could be talked into saying that it is, whatever.

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I don't give a shit.

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I don't care at all.

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Yeah.

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Whether or not some tiny part of this image is a demon is missing the forest for the trees,

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where the big story is that Trump depicted himself very clearly as Jesus.

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Yep.

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This is blasphemy, and any Christian who can see that and not immediately condemn and denounce

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Trump isn't a Christian.

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Yep.

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I think that this tweet is insanely disrespectful, and I feel bad for the sincere Christian people

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that I know who have to put up with being lumped in with this shit, but it's also pretty

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funny.

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Trump is sending a crystal clear message that he doesn't care at all about any of the things

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that he used to support.

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Yep.

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He loved these opportunist media dipshits, but now, guess what?

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They're all idiots.

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He was very serious about his Christian faith and all of the opportunistic scam pastors

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who would pray over him, but guess what?

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Now he's Jesus.

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Well, what are you gonna do?

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Who cares?

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What are you gonna do?

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Fuck all of you.

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You know, I find it strange, right?

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That if you give somebody nigh infinite power, regardless of whatever rules you may or may

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not have in place for them, that those people tend to go megalomaniacally insane.

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Mm hmm.

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Right?

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And it's so weird because it happens every time.

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It happens 100% of the time.

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No one's ever been given infinite power and been like, Hey, guess what?

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I'm gonna be cool.

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Yeah, look, I was confused when Trump posted this.

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Yeah.

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It was like, I couldn't tell if it was trying to piss people off or if it was just a horrible

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misreading.

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Yeah.

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Like he just whiffed on this one.

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Well.

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Thought this would go over better.

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Yeah.

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But whatever it was, it was so crazy.

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Yeah.

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That it was almost reality breaking.

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Yeah.

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The president has tweeted out a picture of himself as Jesus.

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Yeah.

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Very clearly.

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Yeah.

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I wonder how, like, what the craziest emperor of Rome truly got up to.

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What would they do with Twitter?

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Right?

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Like, that's what I'm saying.

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That's what I'm trying to think of right here.

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So many people in Rome probably had no idea how fucking truly insane the emperor was.

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Right?

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And we're like those people, but the emperor's in our house all the time.

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Yeah.

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That's no good, man.

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No, no, no, no.

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Don't like it.

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I think you're right that there are two problems here.

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One is social media and the other is the president.

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One is stacked on the other.

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Let's put it that way.

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So look, this is bad.

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Yeah.

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Yes, it is bad.

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Trump is pissing on God.

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He's fighting with the Pope.

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He's saying the F word on Easter.

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Yeah.

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This is some bad stuff.

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Yeah.

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But then all of a sudden Trump deleted that tweet of himself as Jesus.

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So he sent that out and then withdrew it, deleted the tweet from the internet after

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an outcry, but was asked about it.

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And he said, yeah, I sent that.

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Didn't explain how the demon got it.

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I'm crazy.

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Didn't explain why.

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And he said, I sent it out, but it wasn't me as Jesus.

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Obviously it is cool.

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It was a doctor.

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Heal people.

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He's a doctor.

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Believe me.

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I dare you, you idiot.

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She did.

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So maybe a distinction without a difference, but still kind of confusing a lie.

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And then today, a day later was asked about it again.

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And he said, no, no, no, I didn't.

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Oh, another lie.

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It wasn't.

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I'm confused.

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More confusing.

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What was that?

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And then to make it even further mysterious, sent out this meme on Truth Social, retweeting

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somebody else.

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And it's him, Donald Trump, being, I don't know, how would you describe that?

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Caressed by?

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Healed by?

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Maybe endorsed by Jesus.

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That's unmistakably Jesus, the Christian Messiah.

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Okay.

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Okay, man.

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Is it unmistakably Jesus, the Christian Messiah?

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It is.

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I see.

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There's an aura and a glow.

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Wow.

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Was it white Jesus, though?

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You mean Jesus?

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So look, I think we're dealing with a confusing situation.

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I was wondering, like, I was genuinely sitting there thinking and just being like, there

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must have been a true moment where Pontius Pilot was like, what a dope decision I made

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to not give a shit.

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Because there's a part of me that goes straight up washed his hands.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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There's a part of me that just goes like, oh, if you are confused right now, best of

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luck to you, buddy.

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And there is nothing I can do for you.

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I feel so good about not giving a shit about you.

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Unlike Trump in that meme, I am not a doctor, but I don't know what methods of therapy could

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help you if you're confused by this.

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If you're confused now, you are so fucking stupid.

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Yeah.

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And I'm like, normally I find it difficult to just truly call people stupid because there's

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a lot of different.

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You're dumb.

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He would be, but he's not confused.

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No, he's not confused.

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It's all his persona.

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If you expect anyone to believe that Trump tweeted a picture of himself as Jesus with

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a demon in the background, and then he sneakily deleted that post, said, Hey, I fucking did

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that shit.

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I don't know how the demon got in there.

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What's up?

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And then later said, I didn't do that.

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I had nothing to do with that.

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And then posted another meme of himself with Jesus.

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I don't think you should be confused.

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Yeah.

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Like, okay.

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It sends a message and you should probably get it.

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When they did this, when Stalin did the thing and he's like, ah, that's a deer or whatever,

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you know, whatever story it is, it's a goat.

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And he says, it's a deer and everybody who doesn't say they die or whatever.

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Right.

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That's easier because it's a closed room and you got a bunch of guys right there to murder

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the guys.

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You know, like, there's a lot of pressure there.

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Trump can't do it.

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He can't do it, like, across the country.

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He could nuke Tucker's shack.

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Sure.

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I mean, that's fair, but don't, you know, like, at least dare him to take the walk and

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travel.

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I think Trump probably has his assassination coordinates.

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See, but that's even better.

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Now I would like to know that this dude is totally willing to assassinate people.

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That would be another good, that's a next step for a dictator.

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Have we gotten to the death squad stage of him being mad?

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I, I hate, I hate to say this because I think that, you know, there are agencies like ICE

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and, and shit that are, well, sure.

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They're, they're borderline death squads.

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Yeah.

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And that's, that's not funny.

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Right.

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But I do imagine him having a Hogan's Heroes level kind of team.

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Sure, sure, sure.

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Racktag band of...

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Well, no, like the, the guards.

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Oh, okay.

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They're goofy.

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They'd be, they'd be slipping on stuff all the time and it'd be hilarious.

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Yeah.

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If he had death squads.

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Yeah.

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Trump would get some funny fucking death squads.

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Rob Schneider.

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It would be, we would have new police academy movies, but they would be death squad, but

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death squad academies.

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Rob Schneider.

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Yeah.

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Jim Brewer.

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Yep.

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James Woods.

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The greats.

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The top three.

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Yep.

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So look, I mean, what I'm trying to get at mostly is that the message is clear.

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Yes.

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And that is that Trump, not a lot of respect for this justice guy.

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Doesn't care.

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So all of that in a little over a week, what does it mean?

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Because it certainly means something.

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This isn't so much a couple of memes.

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These are, these are icons.

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It's iconography.

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These are attempts to send a statement about faith.

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What statement is the president sending?

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Well, not a coherent one.

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Doesn't actually add up to a theology.

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It's mockery.

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He's mocking Jesus.

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He's making fun of Christianity.

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The central figure of the religion is being held up for mockery, of course.

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And his description of how this got out is itself mockery.

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Mockery of the idea of truth.

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One day he says, yeah, I did it.

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Next day he says, no, I didn't do it.

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Both are on video.

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That's not really a lie.

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It's more than a lie.

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It's bigger than a lie.

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It's an attack, not just on a specific set of facts.

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It's an attack on the idea that there are facts.

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It's an attack on truth.

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That's all fair enough.

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And Tucker is correct that Trump is mocking Jesus and mocking the idea that there's such

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a thing as truth, but he's lying by pretending that this is a new realization he's had.

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This is his business model.

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I mean, I.

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Tucker has known this all along.

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It just wasn't a problem until now.

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Trump's actions have always made a mockery of Christianity, but it used to be profitable

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for Tucker to pretend that that didn't matter.

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Trump's a lame duck president with a VP who looks super weak, heading into the midterms

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with sinking approval ratings and an unpopular war.

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If you're Tucker, you have to see the writing on the wall that one way or another, there's

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no more money to be made in this Trump shit.

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It's great for Tucker to see that Trump is mocking truth and mocking Jesus, but it's

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a little too late for those observations to mean anything.

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If he's capable of seeing this now, he could have seen it in the past.

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He could have seen it before.

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And instead of telling his audience to fear Trump's mockery of God, he said that he

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was home and that he was angry and wanted to spank.

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He had Russell Brand prey on his knees in front of a cheering auditorium at his live

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show slash Trump campaign rally.

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He did.

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Like this was what he made money from.

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And this is the point.

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Tucker's always known that this was what Trump was like.

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He just used to think he was on the inside group.

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And now he's been disabused of that notion.

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Yeah.

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And he's now mad at the Jews.

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Yeah.

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You know, I feel like this is this is a problem for Ocean's 11.

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Right.

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The idea that those guys would pull off that big score and then just move on with their

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lives.

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Right.

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Because you can see right now, you can see that Tucker has the opportunity.

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He's stolen how much money this dude has made his nut.

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All he needs to do is stand by the fountain and then walk away into the distance.

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He doesn't have to be trying to pull this shit.

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This is stupid.

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It is stupid.

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Right.

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What are you doing?

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You're doing Ocean's 12.

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Skip to Ocean's 13, for God's sakes.

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I think that his dad is CIA.

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Yeah.

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And Tucker has been in the CIA all his life, so he can't walk away.

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That is that is fair.

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Yeah, that is fair.

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So he's he's he's they got him.

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So that means but that means that the CIA can you believe can you believe right how

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much Q shit was based around the idea that there was hidden meanings and shit in the

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stuff that that motherfucker said.

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Right.

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And now here we are now here we are.

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There should be accountability for every Q person.

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I don't know.

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I think some people are still reading into that Easter tweet pretty hard.

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Yeah, that's fair.

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That's fair.

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Tucker's looking for demons hidden in the background of a meme.

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The idea that man, I mean, if you need Tucker to interpret that for you, this is not a dream.

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This is not like you're sitting on the couch.

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And as a Daniel, he's no Dan.

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Right.

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He's no Daniel.

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He's going into that fire with those lines, my man.

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So Tucker has a good point.

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Yeah.

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That is that kind of weird that people just moved on from this.

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It is.

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So this was kind of dismissed after an online kerfuffle for a few hours and people were

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outraged and then they weren't.

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And we've got other things to worry about.

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They moved on.

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But for sincere religious people, for Christians who care about Jesus and what's true and what's

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not, a lot of them went to their Bibles to try and figure out what are we watching here.

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And a lot of them came up with a couple of verses that seem to fit what we're watching.

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And if you are a sincere Christian or know some, maybe you got these texted to you, but

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we'll read them just so you know how a lot of people of faith were interpreting this.

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I agree that this isn't something that sincere religious people can let slide or forget about,

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but they also shouldn't forget that Trump is in power, thanks in large part to Tucker.

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Yeah.

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Tucker's currently doing a podcast because he defamed voting machine companies in an

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that Trump secretly won the 2020 election.

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Yeah.

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Tucker pretended that he got attacked by a demon so he could rile his audience up about

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how the 2024 election was a battle between good and evil and spiritual forces.

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It's cute and fun to see him distance himself now, but if Tucker's going to play this game,

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he needs to accept his part in it.

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If Trump is the Antichrist, then he's the false prophet and there's no way around that.

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Yeah.

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He has to own that.

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Yeah.

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I think if I was a person who truly believed him, like I was, I believe that Tucker was

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telling me the truth for him to do this now would genuinely make me feel like I have to

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murder this guy.

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Like to, to even try and gaslight me to the extent that he is doing that would make me

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so furious.

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The only way that it would seem acceptable is if this was his last show ever.

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Yeah.

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And he apologized.

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If he apologized for misleading people for the last 10 years or, you know, whatever,

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and like recognized how fooled he was and how he translated that to the audience, then

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maybe there's some forgiveness you can find.

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Possibly.

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The fact that the day after this, he put out another episode with Russell Brand tells me

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that he's not contrite.

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The, the, the idea of, the idea of going along with it is heartbreaking.

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It really is heartbreaking.

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It really is.

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I don't think that there are that many people watching his show that don't suck.

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So I don't know how much pity you have to have because like you're saying, this is so

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transparent.

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It's hard to imagine any human being without extreme motivated reasoning, not seeing through

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this.

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Yeah.

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But someone who just wants kind of like soft core Nazi shit.

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That's that makes sense.

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That's the only market here.

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I'll get over it.

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Yeah.

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So Tucker gets around to his, his email chain letter of scriptures that he wants to share.

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The first is from Paul's second letter to the Thessalonians.

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Yo, yo, yo, Thessalonians!

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Chapter two, very well known verse in which he's describing what's going to happen when

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Jesus comes back and he says, you're going to hear that Jesus is coming back.

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Don't believe what you hear.

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A bunch of things have to happen before he returns to earth, redeems the world, history

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ends.

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And you'll know that he's coming by these events and among them will be the rise of

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a figure he describes as the man of lawlessness, sometimes describes as the antichrist, but

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the man of lawlessness is the phrase from his second letter to the Thessalonians.

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And he says this, there will be a great rebellion against God led by that man of lawlessness.

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This man quote, will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God

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or is worshiped so that he sets himself up in God's temple proclaiming himself to be

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God.

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He will pose as God.

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He will mock other gods and put himself in their place.

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I honestly couldn't believe that this was really where Tucker was going.

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I thought it would be funny if he tried to say that Trump was the antichrist, but actually

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seeing this ball rolling is fucking stupid.

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It's not funny.

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Let's play around for a second with the idea that Trump is the antichrist.

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Sure.

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If that's true, then Tucker was either aggressively campaigning for the antichrist, knowing he

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was the antichrist, or he's the biggest sucker in the world.

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He's either willfully and knowingly evil or the biggest idiot who got conned by the most

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obvious con ever.

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There isn't a scenario where Tucker should think his perspective or opinion on anything

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matters and he should be retiring from public life in shame.

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But if we're to believe the best possible option that he was conned by the antichrist,

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then we'd have to believe that he's never realized before that Trump was mocking religion

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in any previous instance of something happening.

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And this clip from 2023 where Tucker is interviewing the head of the Babylon Bee seems to make

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that impossible.

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Oh no.

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Yeah, we have a very, very sharp writing team.

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They're very good at this.

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That's funny.

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I think honestly, one of my favorites that got fact checked was our joke about Trump

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saying that he had done more for Christianity than Jesus himself.

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That was your headline?

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That was the headline.

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Trump, I have done more for Christianity than Jesus.

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But he kind of said that at some point, didn't he?

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He did.

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Well, yeah.

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So we made that in 2019.

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It got fact checked shortly thereafter because it went crazy viral.

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And then in 2021, I think it was 2021 or 2022, he said he'd done more for Christianity and

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religion in general than any other person in history.

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Three years ago, Tucker was fine laughing about the idea that Trump would say he's done

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more for religion than anyone before, which is mocking Jesus.

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Tucker didn't care back then because the liberal tears business was booming.

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And that's where the next verses from Second Thessalonians become important.

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Just after the passage that Tucker reads is this, quote,

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The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works.

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He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie,

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and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing.

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They perish because they refuse to love the truth and so be saved.

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For this reason, God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie,

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and so that all will be condemned to have not believed the truth, but have delighted in wickedness.

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Tucker's career was building up and defending that powerful illusion

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that made his audience believe the lie.

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He's led them to their own condemnation, and he uses all sorts of displays of power

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through signs and wonders.

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How else would you describe his bullshit about being attacked by a demon,

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or his insistence that Alex Jones has psychic visions?

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So I guess I'm fine if, like, Tucker wants to play this game where he pretends that Trump's

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the Antichrist, but I'm gonna need him to take his part in it a little more seriously

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if he's going to start quoting scripture about this shit.

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Look for yourself in the book, you dum-dum.

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But then he would find out that there's more to it.

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People cut it out to consume, and I like consuming things.

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I don't want to eat my vegetables, my friend.

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I want to eat the dessert.

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He's claimed that he's big on vegetables,

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then he reads the Bible all this fucking time and that his faith's sincere.

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You know, one thing I always thought, right, maybe I'm the only person who thinks like this,

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but I was thinking, does the Antichrist think he can win?

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We've talked about this a bit.

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So then it's like, man, shouldn't you know exactly what you're supposed to be doing,

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and then, like, subterfuge it?

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Right.

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Like, if he thinks he can win, then does that implicate free will and pre-dement?

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I'm not gonna do that Bible shit.

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What are you, crazy?

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That guy loses.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Right?

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If he's self-motivated, or they.

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Oh, yeah, there we go.

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Uh, if there's self-interest involved and you know you're gonna lose,

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then you wouldn't do the thing that you know leads to you losing.

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Or if you noticed yourself doing it, you would at least be like, wow, this is a bad idea.

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Right.

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Yeah.

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So I think the conclusion that we've come to in the past is that if there is an Antichrist,

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there can be no self-realization.

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Right.

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Right, right, right.

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There can be no self-awareness.

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He has to be a puppet.

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Yeah.

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Kind of.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Automaton-ish.

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Yeah, so the Antichrist is your god.

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And has no free will.

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Boom!

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Yeah, take that!

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So anyway, there's another Bible verse.

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Yeah.

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That Tucker probably got emailed by a grandma.

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That's from the second letter to the Thessalonians.

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But that's not the first place in the Bible, Old and New Testaments, where something like

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this is described.

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Variations of this are in a number of prophecies in what Christians call the Old Testament,

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including those contained in the book of Daniel.

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The prophet Daniel describes something very much like this at the end of history, and

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he's describing...

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Some asshole.

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This period, really, as is so often described in the prophets, is punishment.

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Punishment for faithlessness and sin.

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God's people are being punished for not following God.

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And that punishment, he describes in part in chapter 11 from the book of Daniel, predicts

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the coming of a king, and we're quoting now,

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"...a king who will do as he pleases.

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He will exalt and magnify himself above every god, and will say unheard of things against

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the God of gods.

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He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined

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must take place."

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It's all ordained, in other words, preordained.

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"...He will show no regard for the gods of his ancestors, nor will he regard any god,

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but will exalt himself above them all."

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So to a lot of Christians, or people who know the Bible well and believe in it, these predictions

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in both the Old and the New Testament, and there are others, seem to fit what we were

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watching.

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Here's a leader who's mocking the gods of his ancestors, mocking the God of gods, and

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exalting himself above them.

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Could this be the Antichrist?

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I love that this is where Tucker's game has devolved to.

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He has to get on his show, put on a straight face, and deliver a monologue about how very

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reasonable people are asking the question if Trump is the Antichrist.

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It's remarkable how he's still clinging onto some kind of air of respectability.

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If he frames things like he's talking about this story because other people are talking

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about it, somehow this is less embarrassing.

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But it's not.

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It's super embarrassing to be Tucker Carlson doing a pre-written monologue about how the

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guy who got elected and you called daddy is maybe the devil.

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This sucks if you're doing this.

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I wouldn't want to do it.

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I don't want to just keep bringing up that these people don't know anything about the

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scriptures they cite, but this vision from the book of Daniel doesn't just involve a

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king showing up and being evil.

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It's a very complicated story about rival kings and multi-generational grudges that

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leads up to the stuff that Tucker's reading, but it's inconvenient for the little lecturer

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so he just ignores all that.

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Due to a whole series of events, some asshole will show up.

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But if you get rid of all that series of events, then some asshole could always show up.

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Right.

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There's a superficial similarity in that, like, hey, this guy's an ass.

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He sucks and he doesn't like Jesus.

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I've been embedded in the end times for most of my life.

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It's always been the end times, but it's a little STD flare-up kind of thing.

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Every now and again, it's more end times than other end times.

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And this time, I feel like if I was still in that end times thing, I would be like,

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oh shit, we're doing it.

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I would be really excited because it feels very end times-y.

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Yeah.

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Okay, here's how I would describe it.

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Yeah.

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Whenever I would watch a wrestling pay-per-view when I was a kid, they would have garbage

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sponsors.

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They would have 1-800-COLLECT as the sponsor of all of the pay-per-views.

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Not like waste management sponsors.

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Yeah.

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So then, every now and again, there would be like, Butterfinger is the sponsor of this

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pay-per-view.

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Yeah.

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And I'd be like, oh, we're in the big leagues.

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Yeah.

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They do Simpsons in their commercials.

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That's true.

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That is true.

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This is real shit.

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Yeah.

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So it feels like the end times has better sponsors now.

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Yeah.

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It feels like, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Closer to mainstream.

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That's what I'm saying.

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I would feel, I mean, if I was still in it, I would feel like, ooh, now shit's getting

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real.

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Like, this dude's the actual Antichrist.

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Let's watch, you know?

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Yeah.

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It's not just a group of people who are gonna be disappointed or a small apocalyptic cult

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of people who will probably take their own lives.

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Yeah.

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This is like...

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This is straight up.

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This guy has millions of viewers.

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This is fucked up.

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If this is going down, I've read my book, Zombies is Coming.

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Zombies is coming, my man.

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Well, don't get ahead of yourself.

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All right, fine.

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Because, I mean, the jury's still out on this.

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That's fair.

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That's fair.

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No one knows when Jesus is coming.

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Could this be the Antichrist?

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Well, who knows?

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At least that's my conclusion.

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Who knows?

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We're also told repeatedly in the New Testament that you're not gonna know that Jesus will

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return like a thief in the night and you better be ready because you can't predict it.

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But we're also told there are signs and is this one of them?

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Well, again, unclear.

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Unclear.

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Maybe this doesn't mean anything.

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Maybe this is...

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God's about to come back.

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And the...

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Man, you're missing the point of religion.

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Yep.

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I want to be certain about something and the only way is imagination.

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I love that he's getting on this show and being like, Trump is starting a new religion,

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blah, blah, blah.

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I don't know.

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Maybe.

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I don't know.

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Possibly.

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Could be.

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I don't want to commit to anything in case I wind up in a situation exactly like the

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one I am in currently.

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Oh, if this nightmare gets worse.

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So, you know, some of these scriptures, they sound like Trump.

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Sure.

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But they also kind of sound like a lot of other leaders from history.

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Do you mean like when we did this for Obama a bunch of times?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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By the way, fits the behavior of other leaders throughout history who saw themselves in a

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kind of rivalry with the gods of their people and sought to put themselves over those gods,

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exalt themselves above God.

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That's actually pretty common.

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That is really the definition of megalomania.

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Sure.

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And it's happened before and will doubtless happen again.

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But that's clearly what this is.

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This is mockery of God by a temporal leader, by a man.

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This is the leader of our country saying, I will take no instruction from God because

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as he showed in the first meme, I am God.

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Okay.

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So that kind of raises the question, is that okay?

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Sure does.

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I think one of the reasons that people like Tucker can play games like this is that they

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pretend that the left is mocking God by simply existing.

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So even though Trump is clearly pissing on their faith, it's still a question of whether

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or not they should take it seriously.

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They are idiots.

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I mean, I maintain that I am still pro attacking and dethroning God.

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And that was supposed to be what I thought we were on board for.

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And now all of a sudden the guy who's attacking and dethroning God is on their team?

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Right.

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That's not fair.

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I can't put this any clearer.

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If anything that Tucker believes is true, there should be so many, like there should

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be miracles happening.

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Absolutely.

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Someone should call down a lightning bolt that strikes Trump.

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Like the way he's acting is biblical shit.

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Silly.

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It is silly to imagine.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, is it okay?

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Is it?

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Is it okay?

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Let's ask more questions that there's no possible way we could have always known the

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answer to based upon everything we've always believed and sound fucking stupid.

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Yeah.

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But I mean, look, let's not tease too much.

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Obviously the answer is no, it's not okay.

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Of course.

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Is that okay?

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Seems to be okay.

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There were no massive protests in front of the White House.

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There was no attempt really to do anything about this.

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In fact, many Republican leaders shrugged it off.

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So can you believe it?

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You know, he's just just true socialing.

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Don't pay attention.

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It's just a joke.

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It's just a joke.

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What do you have?

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No sense of humor?

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Mocking Jesus?

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Giving the finger to God?

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You're so uptight.

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And as for his attacks on the Pope, Republican leader after Republican leader, including

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just hours ago, the Speaker of the House, the self-described Christian, fervent Christian,

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Bible scholar, joined in attacking the Pope.

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So you're going to have to wonder, is this the behavior of a Christian nation?

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Is the United States a Christian nation?

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Well, that depends how you look at it.

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The United States is the nation with the most Christians, over 200 million.

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There are more Christians in the United States than any other country on planet Earth.

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So it is by that definition a Christian nation.

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Of course, it's not officially Christian.

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Our constitution forbids the US government from creating a state religion in the First

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Amendment, in the Bill of Rights.

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So no, it's not officially Christian, but it is fundamentally materially Christian because

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it's majority Christian still.

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And once again, it's the country with the most Christians.

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But it's not a Christian country.

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And in fact, if you take three steps back, it's a nation or it's a government anyway

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that has for a long time really acted in opposition, explicit opposition to the interests of Christians,

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not just in the United States, but around the world.

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Our foreign policy, for example, seems to target Christians.

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And this has happened consistently enough that it's probably not an accidental byproduct

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of the policy.

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It may be the point of the policy, who knows what the intent is, but certainly a fact of

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every foreign policy adventure, at least since Vietnam, which in the end, this is often forgotten,

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left the Catholics, and there were many of them in Vietnam, in concentration camps.

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Didn't help the Catholics at all.

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I fucking hate this guy.

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Vietnam went from a Catholic country to a communist country.

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That's not entirely our fault, but that was the effect.

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That happened.

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So Tucker is right that it's insane that more supposed Christians aren't up in arms about

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Trump's actions and seem fine with moving on.

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Yep.

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He's right that this is insane because he's insane.

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Yep.

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The country has a lot of Christians in it, but not like Tucker Christians.

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Tucker Christians are fun entertainment because they talk about being attacked by demons and

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do all this stupid shit for attention.

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But it's really hard to be a Christian like this if you're not super rich and you can't

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just turn the act off whenever you want to.

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Yeah, it's tough.

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For other people, being a Tucker Christian might get them fired or ruin all of the relationships

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in their life because their spouse doesn't believe they were attacked by a demon as punishment

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for supporting Trump.

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Tucker Christians have to believe in this weird cosmic stuff because they would just

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be hosting a boring Bible study show if they didn't.

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So it's really hard for that to exist in the same space where they're explaining like,

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why isn't God striking Trump down?

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Yeah.

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Like, you believe in magic.

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This should be happening.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, you can be rich and believe in crazy stuff for free.

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Or if you're poor, you have to find a small group of people to reinforce your crazy stuff

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back and forth for you.

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And even that may not work.

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May not work, yeah.

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Because you know...

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You still end up on the streets.

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You may be broke, yeah.

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Dead.

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Like, it's tough.

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Or in the Sea Org.

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Yeah, you could be fucked.

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Or working for Tucker.

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Like, he is, his craziness is facilitated by his massive amount of wealth.

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Yeah.

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And like, the fact the cameras turn off.

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Yeah.

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That's basically what he's not taking into this equation.

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Yeah.

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Also, Tucker may have a point that Catholics in Vietnam weren't in a great position during

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or after the war, but history didn't begin when that war started.

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He should explore how Catholicism mingled with the colonial history there.

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If he's actually interested in any of this, or else we're just gonna have to assume he's

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cherry picking stuff to serve his narrative, which is that US foreign policy objectives

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have been designed to attack Christianity.

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Yeah.

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And spoiler alert, it's because of the Jews.

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Yeah.

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And if I...

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Listen, again, everybody's got their own flavor.

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So the idea of America being so filled with Christians is absurd to me, because...

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None of them believe the same shit.

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No, but I think that there's a lot of people who are Christian by default.

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Sure.

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Culturally, or...

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However the right way to put it is.

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But I was always told, fuck the Pope.

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Fuck the Pope and fuck Catholicism, because they're the ones who say that you need an

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intermediary between you and that big guy over there.

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And once you get rid of that, then you have to say that those people are actively blocking

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you from having a relationship with God.

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Therefore, the Pope is evil.

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Yeah.

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I have no strong feelings on Catholics, but I do know that growing up, the word dirty

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often was before papists.

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Papists was a word.

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That was the adjective that created a compound noun that I heard people say a lot.

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The papist, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So they're trying to attack Christianity, and they're doing it a lot of ways.

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And one of them is through migration, because people who come here who aren't legacy Americans...

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Oh my God, I don't even...

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...aren't as Christian.

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Europe, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, our country as well, have all changed substantially,

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demographically, and become much less Christian because of immigration.

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So you often hear people complain...

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Not ours, whenever we took all that land.

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Europe's becoming Muslim.

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Yeah.

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Why is that?

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Well, because of mass migration.

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We've abetted it.

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The neo-cons certainly have abetted it.

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They've been in favor of it.

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They've attacked anyone who's opposed to it.

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Viktor Orban in Hungary, just lost the other day, the Prime Minister of Hungary, was hated

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by neo-conservatives in Washington.

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Why is that?

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Because he pushed back against mass migration into Hungary.

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And he said, Hungary is part of Christian Europe.

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It's a Christian country.

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It's one of the main reasons I don't want mass migration.

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Well, the entire foreign policy establishment in the United States decided he was an enemy

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for saying that.

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So it's not simply that they haven't stopped the destruction of Christian Europe.

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They've been fully in favor of it.

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They're fully in favor of the war between Russia and Ukraine.

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Net effect, millions of dead Christian men.

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That's not just, again, an accidental byproduct.

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That may be the whole point.

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It may be the whole point.

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It seems like you're acting very much like you're convinced that it is the whole point.

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Yeah.

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It seems to be central to the thesis you're writing.

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Basically, your false question is an implication.

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Yeah.

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I don't think that's the full story as to why the Ukraine war is happening or why people

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didn't like Orban.

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But when you oversimplify things, it really helps tell a story way easier.

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Yeah, especially if you use a word interchangeably with white.

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Yeah, weird.

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There's a lot of fun ways to say white.

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Yeah, there are a lot of fun ways to say white.

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You bet.

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Huh.

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So, Trump, white, is the first president to openly mock Jesus.

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Although all the rest of them did it privately.

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It's just weird that he's doing it in public.

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Donald Trump is not the first president to give the finger to Jesus, hardly.

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But he is the first president to do it in public.

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I want to know names.

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And this has been going on long enough.

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Give me the other presidents.

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It's reaching a kind of boiling point right now.

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Hamilton.

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We can begin to see about what the actual religious

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certainly this administration.

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He's on the 10.

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There always is one good enough secular government.

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Never has been one.

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Never will be one.

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A truly secular government would have no purpose.

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Are you talking about destiny?

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There'd be no real reason.

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Destiny to continue on.

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It certainly wouldn't have any government requires destiny.

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And our government does have evangelicals.

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Spreading democracy and free market principles around the world, freedom or whatever.

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So every government is motivated by religious impulse, whether the government admits it or not.

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So I don't think that he made his point there.

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No, I would strongly suggest otherwise.

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Yeah, there was a real moment of me sitting there being like, oh, what the fuck?

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What do you what?

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I believe all government is religion and religious.

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Because there needs to be an evangelical zeal.

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Secular government has no reason to exist.

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Right.

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If I'm understanding correctly, and I'm going to draw these lines as best as I can,

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not knowing the exact crazy here, but if you're not actively expanding,

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then what is the point of you?

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Right.

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If you're not colonizing with your religion, the idea...

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No function that you can possibly do as a human that is not part of your religion is pointless.

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Right.

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If you are not reproducing, you're pointless.

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If you're not moving, you know what I'm saying?

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Like it's that kind of concept.

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Yeah, I was thinking about that.

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You know that feeling when you sit down to start a writing project

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and you sit there with the keyboard?

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Sure.

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That's how I felt when I was thinking about like, what do you say about this?

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What are you saying?

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What are you saying?

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I was struggling to find like a deeper thing that has a comment.

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Check out this asshole.

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I think he's just dumb.

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Yeah, he's dumb.

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He is dumb.

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Yeah.

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It's just a stupid thought he has.

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Yeah.

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It's not like there's no gold in them hills.

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I was listening to a thing earlier today about some sort of space nonsense.

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I was having my fun.

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And it was so much like, buddy, if you are using this number of adjectives this frequently,

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you're full of shit.

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That's what you're doing.

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You're doing the tricks to keep people from noticing how fucking stupid you are.

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There's a good chance.

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Yeah.

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There's a good chance.

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Yep.

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A good white chance.

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So we get to the meat of the issue here, and he's been beating around the bush a little bit.

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Sure.

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You know, there's a suggestion that possibly Trump is the Antichrist.

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Right.

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But what does this really mean?

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Good question.

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What is the new religion?

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So what is the civic religion of the United States?

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What's the religion of the US government?

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What's the religion, honestly, of Donald Trump?

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It's not Christianity, clearly.

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It's Israelism.

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It's the defense of Israel.

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Now, how do you know that?

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Oh, boy.

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Well, because the United States has set up as its chief foreign policy in the defense of Israel.

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That's one clue.

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There's that.

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But it's much deeper than that.

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Who are the main enemies, as identified by the President of the United States,

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of his government domestically?

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Who are his enemies?

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Who does he dislike?

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Who does he attack?

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Who does he go out of his way to undermine?

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It's people who doubt Israel.

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People who stand in the way of the aims of the secular government of Israel.

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And that would include Marjorie Taylor Greene, Thomas Massie,

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and the Pope.

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Now, how do you know that's what it is?

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Well, because that's the only thing they have in common.

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I know one other very specific thing that Marjorie Taylor Greene and Thomas Massie had in common.

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Oh, yeah?

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Which is that they wouldn't shut up about Epstein when Trump told them to.

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Weird.

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But I guess, you know, Tucker will just say that's Israel.

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Probably Israel, yeah.

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Probably that.

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It's great that Tucker has decided that he solved the great mystery and that Trump's

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religion is Israel, but this doesn't really work.

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There are way stronger and more popular critics of Israel than the people that Trump tweeted

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about, like Nick Fuentes or Andrew Tate.

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If the unifying thread between all of the people Trump attacks are that they're hostile

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to Israel, then it doesn't make sense that those folks weren't included, and it's

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weird that he did include a lukewarm Israel critic like Alex on that list.

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Alex is wishy-washy at best.

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At best.

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Also, what's a civic religion?

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If it's the foreign policy choice to be allies with Israel, then that doesn't seem

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like a religion.

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It just seems like a government decision that Tucker opposes.

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If you want to use a term like civic religion, you need to define it, because it just sounds

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like a bullshit term that he's using to obscure the fact that he's saying that the Jews

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control the government.

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Yeah.

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I would say that civic religion is like the difference between subwayism and elevated

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trainism.

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You know what I'm saying?

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We're Chicago, so we're L, but we've also got underground from time to time.

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That's true.

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That's true.

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But we're not only underground.

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Right.

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The New York.

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Yeah, exactly.

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No, because they go above ground too.

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Yeah, they've got elevated train.

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I was just making a joke.

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None of it's real.

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No.

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Yeah.

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Neither is this.

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Exactly.

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Funny how that works.

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Fucking dumb.

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So anyway, I don't know if the Pope, that fight is about Epstein, but I know that Marjorie

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Taylor Greene and Thomas Massey, that was specifically...

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I refuse to accept that anybody gives a shit about the Pope in this region.

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Not anybody gives a shit about the Pope, but in these people, like in Tucker, in Trump,

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in all of these people, in the people who are having a comment publicly about the Pope,

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none of them give a shit about the Pope.

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Yeah.

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A shockingly low number, probably.

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Yeah.

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You should have at least some vested interest in the Pope if you wanna be like,

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can you believe he said that about the Pope?

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Well, Tucker has some mildly nice things to say about him.

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I don't know.

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All right.

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The Pope, the American Pope, first American Pope, Pope Leo.

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Hell yeah.

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Is in American political terms, a liberal.

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He is by the way, for mass migration.

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Shamefully so, I would say.

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Well, he did move to Italy.

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Catholic.

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It's not Italy.

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Well, not anti-Israel.

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He's not a Zionist because Catholicism doesn't recognize Zionism as part of its catechism.

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You can...

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There are plenty of Catholics who love Israel and there are some who don't love Israel,

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maybe some who hate Israel, but it doesn't really have anything to do

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with the core tenants of Catholicism.

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And unlike so many other newer versions of Christianity, Catholicism has been around

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for thousands of years and has a very clearly articulated catechism.

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You know what Catholic believes.

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It's never changed.

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And what it tells its members, its parishioners, its Catholics, communicants to believe.

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It's all written down.

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And unwavering support for the state of Israel is just not on the list at all.

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At best, it's a faith that's agnostic toward the political fortunes of the Netanyahu government.

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And that's not gonna change because again, there's a structure and there is a list of beliefs,

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a creed written down.

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So it's pretty hard to force a church like that to change its views because those views

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are effectively set in stone and have been for a very long time.

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So right off the bat, as you pointed out, a lot of stuff isn't really written in stone.

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No.

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Well-established church doctrines change sometimes and Tucker knows that.

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Yeah.

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But I wanna talk about how Tucker's being a weasel here by using Catholicism as a comparison

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to the United States because the Vatican is technically a state, but it's also the seat

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of a religion.

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The Pope is the head of Catholicism first and the head of state second.

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He can't make any political decision that's not also a religious one because he's the

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head of a theocracy.

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It's a literal impossibility for a non-Catholic to ever be the head of state in the Vatican.

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So for them, religion and government are the same.

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That's the idea.

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You can compare the Pope and the president as both being leaders and public figures,

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but you can't compare how they interact with the world because one's part of a democracy

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and the other isn't.

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Yeah.

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And so in order to make these things analogous, Tucker has to come up with this idea of civic

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religion in order to turn our government into a papacy.

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Right.

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If you believe in Catholicism, then you accept that God chose the Pope as his representative.

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If you don't believe in Catholicism, you can think he's a good or bad leader for a major

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world religion, but he doesn't have any power over you.

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The US president's power doesn't come from belief.

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Their right to lead is supposedly based on the consent of the governed.

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Until pretty recently, it was understood that we chose our leader.

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It wasn't a matter of God selecting someone to rule.

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Tucker was an instrumental part of pushing the narrative that Trump was chosen by God

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to be president and that God saved Trump from the assassination attempt in Butler.

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So if you take a step back, it starts to look like what's going on here is that Trump and

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his media surrogates were a zealous force in making our secular government into a religious

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entity.

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They were selling the idea that Trump's right to power didn't come from us voting for him.

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It was ordained by God.

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Our votes were merely a recognition that we understood that God wanted Trump in office

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and we were submitting to that.

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I guess.

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This is kind of blown up in their faces, and it turns out that the guy that they all thought

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hated the people that they also hated, he hates you too.

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This should be a moment for introspection where someone like Tucker reflects on how

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carried away this stupid show has gotten and how his bow tie was way less embarrassing

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than this.

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But I don't think he can.

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And I think Alex told us why.

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Tucker isn't speaking out against the president because that's popular.

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Leftists don't buy anything.

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They don't buy your nicotine pouches.

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They don't buy your supplements.

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Tucker's audience is just Nazis, white identity adherents who insist they aren't Nazis, and

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maybe some well-meaning people who are hooked on the excitement of the spiritual battle

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between good and evil story that he's telling.

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He knows that he can't hold on to the Nazis if he doesn't ditch Trump, and he can hold

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on to the good versus evil storyline people if he just makes Trump a villain who's been

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working for the Jews all along.

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This is the path that satisfies the audiences that Tucker's created for himself that he's

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able to sell products to.

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So it's almost inevitable that this is where we're going.

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Yeah, but at the same time, you can't go too far because people are probably coming

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back shortly.

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This is like a lull in the season.

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It's a mid-season.

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Everybody's kind of tired.

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We're waiting for the fucking season finale to get here.

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So everybody will jump back on whenever it's time to...

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Tucker is definitely playing like he thinks that there's going to be a Democratic presidency

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next.

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Oh, yeah.

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He's fun.

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I don't think that these storylines come from a person who is planning on dealing with Trump

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for a long time.

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All right.

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Best of luck to him.

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Well, it just becomes really problematic when he's not the devil.

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Right.

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Well, that is a struggle.

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Yeah.

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That is a struggle.

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I don't think there's anywhere to escalate.

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Every time I've ever thought that, I've been extremely wrong.

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That's a good point.

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Yeah.

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Storytelling is...

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It's weird how that works.

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There's still going to be another Avengers movie where the entire universe probably dies.

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And they already killed half of them.

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Doctor Doom.

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Yeah.

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So Trump, he only likes Christians who like Israel.

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There we go.

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Yeah, that's it.

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Okay.

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The religion is Israelism.

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It's the support of Israel.

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That's why the president is totally comfortable surrounding himself with evangelical preachers,

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every one of whom has one thing in common, whether they're word of faith preachers or

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charismatic preachers.

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Theft?

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That's a huge split among evangelicals.

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Lies?

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Or charismatic or not.

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Private jets?

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That glossolalia, tongues, prophesying has a role in contemporary Christian worship,

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church services.

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They're mad at each other about that.

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Trump probably is even aware of that distinction.

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All of them are welcome as long as their faith includes unwavering support for Israel.

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That's the common denominator there.

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That's the only thing that matters.

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And because that's the only thing that matters, the coalition, the ever shrinking, day by

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day shrinking coalition that supports this president is now out in force, explaining

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that actually the Pope and Catholics, the Catholic Church itself, which about 20 minutes

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ago most people thought was conservative in that it's pro-life, for example.

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That used to be a tenant of conservatism before this president.

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It wasn't for abortion.

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That the Catholic Church is somehow liberal and not just liberal, anti-Semitic.

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It's evil.

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It hates Jews.

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Well...

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It's true Nazi.

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Watch Lindsey Graham make this case.

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They're religious Nazis in the Catholic Church.

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God bless the Catholic Church.

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In the 30s, you didn't really get Hitler to the pope.

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You really don't get this religious Nazi regime, the Ayatollah and his henchmen.

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They are evil.

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They will kill all the Jews if we let them.

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And the Jewish people, one Holocaust is enough.

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Oh, see the pope doesn't really get that Nazism is evil.

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Catholics just somehow missed that memo.

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I obviously disagree with the perspective that Lindsey Graham is taking here, but that

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clip is selectively edited in order to make it sound like he's saying that the Catholics

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are Nazis.

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He was saying that the Iatolians.

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That's the larger context, but if you just take that, you could hear that and think he

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was saying...

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I feel like I got it pretty easily.

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Yeah.

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But who knows?

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I think a tuckler listener.

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A tuckler and Ayatolist or a tuckler?

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So I think Lindsey Graham is advocating for war with Iran.

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I disagree with him.

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But he's right about the Vatican's relationship with Nazis.

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That seems to be the part that Tucker is trying to mock.

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The Vatican archives have been opened and we know the relationship that existed between

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Hitler and Pope Pius XII.

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It wasn't that Pius supported the Nazis or that he didn't know that what they were doing

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was wrong.

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He sincerely believed that the Nazis were going to win and he wanted to appease Hitler

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so the church would be safe in a Nazi controlled Europe.

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That was a continuation of the relationship between the Vatican and fascism that existed

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with Pius XI, who worked closely with Mussolini, which makes sense because they were both

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sort of in Italy.

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You can't say with certainty that if these people acted differently they could have stopped

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the rise of fascism, but you can definitely look back and say that the fact that they

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had such a mild stance on it helped normalize fascism among people who believed themselves

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to be religious and wouldn't have had that excuse otherwise.

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Yeah.

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Lindsey Graham's argument is bad and he sucks, but the history of the Catholic Church

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isn't the part he got wrong.

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Tucker seems to be reacting as if Graham is lying about the Vatican during World War II,

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which seems strange.

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But it's not really that strange.

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All of the Catholics that Tucker likes are Catholic fascists who think that Pope Pius XII

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was the last real pope and that everything since has been Vatican II.

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Yep.

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So yeah.

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Buh.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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He thinks that the Vatican went off course after they appeased Hitler.

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Yeah.

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When they took a turn towards like being a little chill, that was the problem.

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It's always interesting whenever you read some of the stuff from a guy who...

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What we are seeing now is regardless of how much power you think you have, the amount

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of power you can take is a lot more than you could ever imagine.

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Most people are going to roll over to the point where you see it happening from the

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fucking pope.

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He rolled over before he...

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Like the pope could have rallied an unimaginable number of people to give a shit.

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Well, we'll talk about exactly the timeline about this later.

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I think you'll think it's silly, but yeah, sure.

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Back in World War II times and right now, the pope could probably rally a lot of people

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to be a little more like, take this seriously.

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All they have to do is just claim that they can do it and people will be like, I guess

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you can.

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Yeah.

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But maybe it's not like a magic solution, but there's definitely like, okay, we can

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see the history.

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Nobody in their right mind would be like, the Catholic Church did everything right during

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this period.

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Yeah, it'd be a struggle.

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So Lindsey Graham, he's saying this shit.

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He could never have said this a year ago.

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They would never get away with it.

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It's interesting because a year ago, no Republican member of Congress would have dared say anything

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like that.

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First of all, that's insane.

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It's a slander against Catholics saying this is a birthright lifelong Protestant, but it's

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just not true.

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It's a horrible thing to say about anybody.

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But as a political matter, it would have been crazy to say that because Catholics

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sincere churchgoing Catholics vote Republican.

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In fact, the more often you go to mass, the more likely you are to vote Republican.

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And that's true across races, by the way.

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So you see all these, you know, weird thing to say.

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And he got more Hispanics to vote for him.

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It is true in 2024 than any Republican maybe ever.

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More than Jeb Bush speaking Spanish, married to a Mexican lady.

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Well, how did he do that?

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One of the reasons he did that is because a lot of Hispanics are very Catholic.

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They're Christian, they're religious.

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They go to mass a lot.

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And because they do, because their faith, some of them, their faith is at the center

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of their lives, they voted for the candidate who seemed most predisposed to their religious

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views.

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Maybe he's not a Christian or a fervent Christian, but he seemed like a man who would

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protect Christians, Catholic Christians included.

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And so they voted for him.

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So let's unpack this for a second.

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According to the show Tucker is doing right now, these Hispanic Catholics were wrong to

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vote for Trump, and they were misled to believe that he was Christian or would protect

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Christians.

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If that's true, you have to ask where they got that idea.

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Who would have misled them with that information?

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The answer to that question is people like Tucker.

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It was a huge selling point during all of Trump's campaigns that if he didn't get in,

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the left was going to more or less outlaw Christianity.

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That was the idea.

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So Tucker is on his show saying that these Hispanic Catholics voted for Trump because

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he and his media surrogates successfully tricked them into thinking that he was aligned with

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their religious beliefs.

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Can you believe it?

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This definitely is a blow to Tucker's credibility.

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You would think.

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Yeah.

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You would think.

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But then the idea that there are Hispanic Catholics really hurts Tucker's point from

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earlier about how migration is meant to hurt the Catholic Church or the Christian Church

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in general.

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Sure, sure, sure, sure.

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His ideology sees Hispanic people as an outside group, regardless of where a person was born

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or how long their family has lived here.

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So the idea that there can be sincere good Hispanic Catholics kind of means that the

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people he views as outsiders can actually live here just fine.

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Yeah.

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Even beyond that, his whole point is that Lindsey Graham wouldn't have insulted Catholics

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like that a year ago.

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But according to Tucker, Graham's views haven't changed.

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He was a warmongering neocon back when Tucker was, too.

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And Graham still is.

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Tucker isn't actually speaking to Graham's beliefs in any way.

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What he's actually trying to illustrate is a diminished cultural power that he feels

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like Catholics hold in US politics.

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Graham can get away with this kind of talk because he doesn't need the Catholics anymore.

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They've been replaced.

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Tucker's not really saying it yet, but it's pretty clear who he's suggesting

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they were replaced with.

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Oh, yeah?

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Yeah.

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And it brings to mind a tiki torch.

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Interesting.

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Interesting.

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Almost.

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Somebody should appease those people.

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That's what I'm saying.

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It's an interesting thought you have.

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I think it'll work.

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I think it'll work this time.

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It is so funny whenever you just hear some fact that is unrelated, or at least not directly

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related, but is emblematic of everything that is the reason we're here, which is Lindsey

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Graham was there during the first time we went over and murdered a bunch of people.

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And now he's still there.

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Can you believe we're back murdering a bunch of people?

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And he's doing relatively similar things.

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Yeah.

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He's consistent.

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Tucker, he was super into the bow tie and the wreck war and Bush and all this shit.

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He's the one who's waffled all over the fucking place.

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Everywhere.

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Lindsey Graham's wrong, but I knew who he was.

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Like when I was 16 or whatever.

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We cannot be surprised that we're in the same place if the same people are there too.

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Yeah.

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Tucker just keeps trying to fix the thing.

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Get ahead of the whatever group of pitchforks and torches is out there.

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Tucker is running as far away as he can.

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Yeah.

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And I think it speaks to his underlying intellectual cowardice.

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Yeah.

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And the fact that everything he does is basically just lies.

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Yeah.

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Like he's just lying about Lindsey Graham.

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So a year ago, no, and every Republican knows this because there's lots of polling on it

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because politicians think in terms of coalitions and who's going to vote for me and why.

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Do they?

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They know this very well.

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So a year ago, no Republican would ever get up on TV and say, you know, think about Catholics

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as they're kind of Nazis, but there's Lindsey Graham doing it right there.

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It's very easy to take what Lindsey Graham said and disagree with it, but still Tucker

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feels the need to lie.

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Graham didn't call Catholics Nazis.

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He was calling the Iranian regime Nazis, which he did to argue that the Vatican is not recognizing

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the danger Iran presents in the same way that they didn't recognize the danger of Hitler.

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Instead of arguing against the point Graham actually made, Tucker is pretending that he

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called Catholics Nazis and said that you can't be a Christian unless you blindly support

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the state of Israel.

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I have no interest in defending Lindsey Graham because he sucks, but Tucker made a good point

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earlier about how you got to stand up for the truth.

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And so like, stop lying on the Graham.

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Come on, man.

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I mean, hey, what are you going to do?

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You're going to just be honest about Lindsey Graham?

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What is there that you could possibly say negative about Lindsey?

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You have to lie about this guy too good.

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That's my review of Lindsey Graham.

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Too good.

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Mm-hmm.

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That's the problem.

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Did you know that Space Jam was originally supposed to be Lindsey Graham?

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Scheduling conflict.

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Scheduling conflict.

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Wait, for Porky Pig?

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Jordan.

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Oh, for Jordan.

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Yeah, for Michael Jordan.

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Well, yeah, because Bill Murray is basically the reason that movie exists.

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And he and Lindsey Graham are tight.

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Exactly.

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So he wasn't going to replace Bill.

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See, what happened with Bill Murray, he just kept showing up in South Carolina.

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So weird.

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And taunting Lindsey Graham.

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Yeah.

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Being like, no one's ever going to believe that I was here.

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And they just became friends.

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Yeah.

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Well, it's nice.

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It's good to make a friend in later life.

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Yeah.

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So I think one of the things, like I said, one of the reasons that Tucker's show has

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to be this constant, like, back and forth, I didn't say that, oh, I'm really this guy.

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Right.

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That kind of stuff is because he lies all the time, but also because he just doesn't

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focus on stuff that matters.

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But it's not just Lindsey Graham.

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This is everywhere today, in case you haven't seen it.

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Here's Patrick Bet-David on his podcast a day or two ago.

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Watch this.

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I don't know why Catholics have this issue with Jews.

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I don't know what it is.

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See, the problem here is that Patrick Bet-David's an idiot.

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They only care about him because he made a bunch of money in a multi-level marketing

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scam and has created this network that has the appearance of viewership.

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So we're going to go ahead and ask this question, genuinely.

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Catholics, why do they have a problem with the Jews?

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Cool.

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Cool.

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If Tucker's argument that everyone is turning on Catholics begins with lying about Lindsey

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Graham and then complaining about PBD, I think he should go pray for better content, because

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this stinks.

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Yeah.

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You're not making a solid point.

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Yeah.

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I think, you know what I think?

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I think this is a very distinctly American problem, because for these people, right,

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history doesn't go that far back, right?

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Because America doesn't go that far back.

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You know, if you're in America...

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Vietnam started as a Catholic country.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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You know, like, that's what we're talking about.

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It doesn't go that far back.

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You don't have...

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The Catholic Church shouldn't be held accountable for all the stuff the Catholic Church did.

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Come on.

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That was way back.

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I don't even remember it.

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Crucio.

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I wasn't there.

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You don't know anything.

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Could have been any reason.

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Yeah.

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Could have been anything.

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People talk.

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Yeah.

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Stories, they grow over time.

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You never know what the French are going to do, so sometimes you crusade.

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It was the teen crusade.

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It wasn't children.

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You guys enjoy your Twilight now.

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The kid can be a vampire, but he can't go kill a bunch of people in the Middle East.

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Now what?

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Hmm.

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So in this next clip, I don't know how to describe this other than

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Tucker tries to defend the way that Trump behaves.

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Right.

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Sort of through primate psychology.

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I like this.

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Yeah.

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Now we're talking.

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It's a good swing.

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Okay.

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Yeah, again, Trump is someone who, you know, has a lot of problems showing respect to other

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powerful figures.

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And this is, it's not just Trump.

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Most men like Trump are that way.

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They get along well with women because they're threatened by women.

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Woman's probably not trying to like, kill you and become king.

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They're kind of loyal.

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But other men, every other man to a certain male personality type is a potential threat.

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That's why kings kill their sons.

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Every man is a potential threat.

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And so Trump is not on a gut level, instinctively respectful of anything or anybody.

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And that's one of the reasons he was a much needed transformative political figure for

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so long in the United States, because he was willing to ask questions that most people

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in Washington had never even thought of out of deference to the existing system.

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Why do we have NATO?

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Is it really good at you know, offshore manufacturing?

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What?

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Is our immigration actually our system helping the United States or hurting etc, etc, etc?

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All famously the questions that Trump asked about the way we were doing things were made

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possible.

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He was able to ask those things because he doesn't have reflective respect for anybody.

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So these are two entirely disconnected thoughts that Tucker's trying to present as one coherent

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idea.

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The first is that Trump doesn't reflexively respect people because women are weak and

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all men could be threats to his power.

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Wild.

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He lives in a constant dominant struggle with everyone around him for literally no reason

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other than he just, if he lets his guard down for a second, that could be the second when

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a new alpha man takes him down.

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I mean, we could say that this is exactly the type of relationship with one's father

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that would lead to you being a bad human being later on in life, but who could tell?

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Also, there are kings in the modern world.

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I don't think King Charles killed his kids.

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That's true.

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Whatever.

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So then the second thought is that Trump was a much needed change in politics because he

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asked questions that no one else would.

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It feels like the second thought flows from the first one because it's kind of like Trump

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doesn't reflexively respect ideas in the same way that he doesn't respect people, but

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that doesn't work.

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Tucker is trying to take Trump's psychopathic bullying and antisocial tendencies and rewrite

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them as some kind of instinctual distrust of things around you that might be a threat.

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He has this dynamic with people and that same inherent contrarian nature makes him have

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to rethink our government's policies starting from first principles.

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But that's not true.

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Trump entered office both times with extreme agendas.

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Huh.

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Both times people told him various things he wanted to do wouldn't work and then he

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got mad and did them anyway, which then serves as a fun real life example for why many of

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these policies we used to have were there to begin with.

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Yep.

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Would have been useful.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We kind of solved some of these things.

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Would have been nice.

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And those things that Tucker lists as ideas that Trump has are bullshit.

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We know why NATO exists.

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We know why manufacturing jobs moved out of the country.

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We know whether or not immigration is a net positive.

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None of these are real questions.

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They're all complicated issues that Tucker wants to provide an easy answer for.

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NATO exists because the world order that came into being after World War II is not stable,

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and the best plan that we could come up with to make all-out war less likely in the future

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was to create a network of alliances that would theoretically defend the existing borders

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of countries from encroachment.

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It obviously hasn't worked, but saying it hasn't worked isn't a solution, or even

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an idea.

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It's just a complaint.

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Manufacturing jobs left the country because companies were allowed to make more money

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doing it that way.

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American labor was too expensive and unions had gained just enough power that the owners

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saw sending those jobs overseas that was the best way to maximize profits.

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Manufacturing could come back if we made foreign manufacturing more expensive, or if the organizing

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power of labor is crushed.

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Then that would bring it back too.

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If we could be slaves, they would definitely keep it here.

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That would be the cheapest solution.

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Totally.

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Absolutely.

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Immigration isn't that positive in every metric other than how it makes Tucker feel as a white

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man.

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That one's not as complicated as the other ones.

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No, no, that one's fairly simple.

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None of this is sincere questions and Trump's not like reconsidering the, ooh, what if I

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look at this angle?

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Now it's a whole new apple in front of me or whatever.

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I find it interesting when men are very dumb about something that should be very obvious.

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For instance, if one of the fundamental tenets of fascism is controlling every aspect of

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women's behavior, it is not because you are not afraid of women that you are trying to

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control every aspect of their behavior.

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I don't need to control them because they're loyal and they're good.

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Not like other men who want to kill me and usurp my power.

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Right.

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Or you are terrified that giving them any sort of power would remove all of your bullshit

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and allow us to live happily and free.

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I need to give them power because they wouldn't use it anyway.

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Fair enough.

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They're happy.

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You win this round.

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And I also think there's something really fascinating about this because Tucker, like

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he's describing Trump, like some kind of caveman kind of like, you're a threat to my dominance.

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I must take you out.

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Tucker doesn't live like that.

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He doesn't.

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He doesn't.

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He has this weird fantasy that that's how men, men work.

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You don't live like this.

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No one lives like this.

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Trump's an asshole.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It is crazy.

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How many conversations we have about something that by its very nature should disqualify

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the president just by us asking that question means he should never have been president.

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If a president forces you to ask any of those questions, it is because you fucked up royally.

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Rebuttal.

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Yeah.

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Mulligan.

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Can I get a whoops on this?

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You know what?

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How about nobody changed their mind about anything and we run it back.

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Yeah, it's cool.

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So Trump was, you know, like he saw Jesus and the Pope.

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And he was like, I'm going to big dog these guys.

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Well, you got to, I'm going to Alpha them.

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You got to.

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And so when you got to neg the Pope, Jesus and the Pope and Christians and tweets out

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the F word on Easter morning, kind of like, well, this is awful, but it's also kind of

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consistent with the Trump.

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We know this is just Trump turned up to 11.

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But what's interesting is there are certain circumstances where Trump shows sincere reverence.

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There are the outlines of an actual religious faith here.

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And they're not what you would expect.

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So here, for example, is Donald Trump the month before the last election, this is October

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2024, visiting the grave of a man called Rebbe Schneerson, Rabbi Menachem Schneerson, who

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is, was, he's since passed away, the leader of a large Orthodox sect.

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So like, why are you assuming that Trump is being reverent and respectful?

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Like, there's not audio that he's playing, which allows you to imagine that Trump isn't

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mumbling about golf.

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Yeah.

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But he's an asshole.

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Yeah.

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He was probably being an asshole there, too.

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Well, think about it this way, right?

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He's our president.

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We thought he was working for God.

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We loved him.

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We cried.

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Again, again, whoops.

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Right.

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We did all that stuff.

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Now, on the other hand, have you considered that it was not at all our fault or his and

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it was Israel?

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Right.

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So let's none of us do anything different.

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Also, Tucker's saying that this guy has since died, implying that it was...

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Wasn't he already dead?

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Yeah, he died in like the 90s.

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Did he die?

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Yeah, I was gonna say.

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He died since he did the things that he did while he was alive.

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That's true.

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Yeah, well, that's fair.

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So anyway, Tucker's like, can you fucking imagine if Trump made fun of this rabbi?

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Yes, there's...

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I totally can.

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Yeah, me too.

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...a president standing there.

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It looks like maybe Ben Shapiro there, Howard Lutnick.

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Wearing a kippah on his head.

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As you look at that, ask, is it possible to imagine Donald Trump ever mocking Rabbi Schneerson,

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who by the way, and this is kind of the point, is considered by some of his followers to

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be the Messiah?

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Sure.

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And to be completely clear, every American is allowed to decide for himself who the

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Messiah is, so that is not mockery of that belief.

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Are they?

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What?

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The fuck?

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Fuck you.

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Oh my God.

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My God.

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But ask yourself, can you imagine Donald Trump sending out a meme mocking Rabbi Schneerson?

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And of course, under no circumstances could you imagine that, because under no circumstances

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would that ever happen.

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Trump would not be allowed to do that, and Trump would never even consider doing it.

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But sending out multiple images mocking Jesus?

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No problem at all.

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So that gives you a more precise sense of what our civic religion actually is.

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I can't take this seriously, because as you immediately responded, and so did I, I could

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very easily see Trump disrespecting this rabbi.

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Absolutely.

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And Tucker just oozes insincerity when he's talking about the merits of religious tolerance.

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I mean, insane.

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It's just impossible to humor this, because around the time that Trump was visiting that

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guy's grave, Tucker was doing speeches about how daddy was home and he was going to spank

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us.

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Like, this is fucking nonsense, man.

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Calm the fuck down.

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I mean, furthermore, furthermore, just this, this fact alone should keep everybody on their

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toes, right?

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If you haven't called at least two out of the past five Trump insane things, you should

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not tell me what he will or won't do, right?

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If you didn't call, that motherfucker's just going to steal a president.

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He's just going to go somewhere and steal the president.

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If you didn't call that, don't tell me what he might or might not do.

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He could do fucking anything.

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I was thinking about like, when you said he went to steal, like I legitimately was like,

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is he going to say that Trump's going to steal first?

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That was the craziest thing I could think of.

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This motherfucker tried to steal home on a full count with one out, one out, a man on

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third and he's trying to steal home on a full count.

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Get the fuck out of here.

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Who does he think he is?

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Right?

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Ricky Henderson.

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He stole a lot of bases, right?

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He did.

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He stole the most bases.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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So I was very grateful for one thing that happens in this next clip, and that is that

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Tucker sort of tries to define what he means by civic religion.

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Okay.

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A civic religion, by the way, is not a conventional religion.

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Civic religion is a series of customs, some enshrined in law, not all, that a society,

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civilization and its government observe.

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And it doesn't necessarily mean there's a God at the center of it.

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That's why it's a civic religion rather than a conventional religion.

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But our civic religion is, if you again, take three steps back and just assess the country

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with the eyes of a visitor, a modern Tocqueville, you can see it really clearly.

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What are the events?

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Who are the people who we treat with reverence?

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What are you actually not allowed to make fun of?

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I'm glad that Tucker is defining his terms now, but unfortunately that definition is

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so vague as to be rendered meaningless.

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It's kind of everything and nothing.

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But bigger picture, I don't think that it's ever wise to imagine that Trump's behavior

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is reflective of us as a population.

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I get that he posted a meme that was disrespectful to Jesus and two years ago he looked solemn

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at a rabbi's grave, but I wouldn't read too much into that.

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He's an asshole, so whatever he's doing to anyone at any given time doesn't reveal

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some kind of grander truth.

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This doesn't show that you can make fun of Jesus, but you can't make fun of Jews or

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Israel.

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That's just the image that Tucker is selling the audience now to hopefully distract them

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from the whole daddy's home thing.

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Also, he's saying you can't make fun of Israel and stuff, but like, you don't mess

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with a Zohan came out in 2008.

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Right?

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Come on, man.

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You can make fun of Israel.

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I'm not sure exactly what it is that Tucker wants here, but he's just rephrasing an

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old line he probably saw in a meme.

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To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.

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This is a quote that goes around constantly and is attributed to Voltaire.

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Thomas Jefferson.

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Nope.

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Nope.

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Voltaire.

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Okay.

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Although I will defend to the death, you're right to say things I don't agree with.

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Probably going to go with Jefferson on this one.

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It needs neither of them.

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Okay.

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It was said by neo-Nazi Kevin Alfred Strom, the founder of the National Vanguard, who

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went to jail for possession of child abuse material in 2008, which is ironically the

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year that you don't mess with a Zohan.

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Yeah, no, it makes sense.

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It makes sense.

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That would have been right up his alley.

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It's a shame.

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He'll never get to know the joy of Zohan.

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Yeah.

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So anyway, Tucker is paraphrasing and promoting the idea that was popularized by a child abusing

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Nazis.

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I think we know.

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Jesus Christ.

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So in this next clip, this is a little bit longer, but I needed to have a feel here.

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This needed a little bit of a feeling.

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And the feeling that I get is that Tucker is mad about a Holocaust remembrance ceremony.

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Great.

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Those are the questions you ask if you are trying to understand what our operative religion

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is.

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What's the religion of our leaders?

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Again, it's not a conventional religion necessarily.

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It's not Torah Judaism or rabbinic Judaism or evangelical Christianity or Catholic Christianity.

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It's the actual religion, the real religion.

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The set of Zoroastrian is that we draw with reverence.

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Well, it just so happens there was a religious ceremony ongoing today in the United States

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capital, complete with very recognizable religious iconography symbolism.

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You may not even have known this was happening, but it was happening today as part of an eight

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day celebration of remembrance of the Holocaust.

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The period in the 1930s and 40s, where the German government, the Nazi government murdered,

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in addition to a lot of other people, a whole bunch of Jews.

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How many?

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And that end whole bunch in part because the United States sent troops to Europe,

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millions of troops to Europe.

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You can, you know, millions government.

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And then with the help of the Soviets, our allies at the time, we did that.

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And in the process of doing that, over a quarter million Americans, American men were killed

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trying to stop the Nazi government.

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Is that a whole bunch of men doing a quarter million?

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A whole bunch of American men died fighting the Nazis, a whole bunch of group of dudes.

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But in today's ceremony in the Congress, a chunk, there was no mention of them.

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There was instead this watch.

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Ladies and gentlemen, a museum leadership program has included more than 72000

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U.S. military members through examination of the Holocaust.

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They gain insight into their own professional and individual responsibilities.

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The candle lighters are members of the United States Army, 3rd Infantry Regiment, the old

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guard.

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Scattered applause.

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I am Sergeant Ethan Ottanen.

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I remember.

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Okay.

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That is a current informed U.S. military member from the old guard.

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The 3rd Infantry Regiment, which is ever present at our public events in Washington,

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saying, lighting a candle at the menorah and saying, I remember no explanation of I

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remember.

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I remember what?

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What are we remembering here?

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And we do have a sense that we're not remembering the American soldiers who liberated Dachau

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for a whole bunch of Americans not remembering the quarter million American men who joined

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a war they had nothing to do with.

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Inherently, it wasn't taking place in North America, was taking place in Europe.

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It was really just a few.

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The dispute was over Poland and Czechoslovakia, and they sacrificed their lives to defeat

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the Nazi government that was murdering Jews and a lot of other people, Poles and Russians

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and Gypsies and Czechs and lots of people, a lot of Jews.

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A whole bunch.

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But they gave their lives to stop that, but we're not remembering them, we're remembering

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only the victims of one specific ethnicity during these eight days of remembrance.

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And why is there a National Women's Day?

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That we also have that's also enshrined in American law in January.

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So there's a total of nine days of remembrance of one group of victims in a war that killed

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tens of millions of people globally, tens and tens and tens of millions.

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The numbers are actually not even clear.

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So many people died.

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We're not exactly sure how many died, but a whole bunch of millions died, including

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close to a half million Americans over a quarter million in Europe fighting this Nazi regime

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not remembering.

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So I was listening to that, and the reason that I needed to play a longer version of

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it was I legitimately wasn't sure what point he was trying to make for most of that.

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Yeah.

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I got that he was upset, but I couldn't tell, like, why are you mad?

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What are you mad about?

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Is he mad that people were remembering the Holocaust on Holocaust Remembrance Day?

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Yeah.

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Does he think that Jewish people are hogging all the attention around World War II and

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that the good old boy American soldiers don't get enough credit?

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Yep.

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This honestly just seemed really fucked up to me, and it doesn't make sense outside

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of the knowledge that this is just a Nazi show.

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Yep.

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If you hear an American soldier say, I remember about World War II, and you're upset that

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he isn't being more specific, you're fucked up.

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What could that soldier have said that would have satisfied Tucker?

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He's mad about what he imagines is happening at a solemn moment.

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And also, if Tucker actually cared about any of this, he could look a little more into

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it and find that the Days of Remembrance involves speeches about all the victims of

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the Holocaust, as well as liberating armies.

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How about that?

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His whole act about how no one remembers anyone but Jewish people is complete bullshit that

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he's making up to serve his own purposes.

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And, like, yeah, I don't know.

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I wasn't able to find every single year's text transcript speeches, but I found ones

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going back to Bush and Obama, and they didn't only talk about Jewish victims of the Holocaust.

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It's nonsense.

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Further, Tucker is pretending that we got into World War II as some kind of benevolent

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act just to save the Jews from Hitler.

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He's conveniently leaving out Pearl Harbor, as well as tons of treaties and alliances

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we formed after World War I that were threatened by the idea of Hitler invading all of our

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allies in Europe.

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We were directly attacked, and we had massive geopolitical reasons to not want Hitler to

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win that war, even beyond the moral obligation to stop a genocide if you can.

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Those American soldiers who went to fight in World War II weren't doing it just to

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stop Hitler from killing Jews, they were doing it because of that day that lives in infamy,

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because our national interests and economic partners were threatened by Hitler, and because

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it was the right thing to do.

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If Tucker wants to re-litigate World War II, then I guess that's his prerogative, but

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I know where this stuff goes.

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I've read enough books that sound just like this to know that he's gearing up to just

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ask some questions about the Holocaust.

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When he says that Israelism is the civic religion, what he actually means is this.

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He's arguing that the civic religion in the United States is a myth that was built around

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the Holocaust, which probably wasn't as bad as everyone says it was.

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Whole bunch!

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Or maybe it was that bad, but Arians had it bad too.

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Come on.

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Come on.

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That's what he's talking about.

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He's trying to build up the courage to deny the Holocaust.

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Man, it is wild to think that this guy, having done all that he's done, his backup plan,

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his backup backup plan is to go more Nazi.

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That was his end game.

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Like, I'm trying to be a little Nazi, but I guess I've been pushed to the point where

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I gotta question the Holocaust.

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I gotta see if I can outflank Fuentes.

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Imagine thinking to yourself like, shit, I gotta question the Holocaust.

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What a day that must have been for Tucker.

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Hey dipshit, how old are you?

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Are we sure that more than a whole bunch of Jews died?

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Could have been a few, really.

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What new piece of information did you stumble across?

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Well, you know, there's a new book was written where they removed numbers and replaced it

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with approximates, and that's really changed my view on a lot of things.

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Have you been reading that Strom guy's books?

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Because millions of people died and a whole bunch of Jews.

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Whole bunch.

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This is shit.

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But Tucker is a classy guy.

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He makes sure that he comes back immediately after this and is like, hey, no disrespect

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to the Jews.

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No disrespect.

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No fooling.

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That is not to disrespect the Jewish victims of the Holocaust or the Second World War.

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Of course not.

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Merely to note that in this country, only one group gets to be remembered and remembered

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with grave.

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What?

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The fuck?

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Uniformed members of our military who take no credit for ending this Holocaust.

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That doesn't make any sense.

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I mean, no, it doesn't know the back story.

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And someone wrote that down and told you be like, what?

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That isn't what?

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And it almost seems like there's a kind of guilt implied in this, which is a little weird.

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There are countries where that might be appropriate.

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This is not one of them, because again, this was the country that helped liberate people

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from those camps and fought the government that built those camps.

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We're the good guys.

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What is this?

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It doesn't make any sense, except when you see it in the only terms in which it makes

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sense, which is as a civic religion.

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This is legitimately just content you'd find on Nazi message boards in the early 2000s.

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Yeah.

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It's not new.

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It's not interesting.

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It's only even notable because the fact Tucker Carlson is pushing this bullshit, and that's

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a testament to how little we punch Nazis in this country.

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Yeah.

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He should be afraid to go outside.

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Like, this is ridiculous.

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Straight up.

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Anybody who says no disrespect to the Jewish victims of the Holocaust is fighting an uphill

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battle.

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I don't think that I've ever heard something like that from someone who wasn't just trying

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to be like, I'm about to deny the Holocaust.

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I'm just a little bit afraid.

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I gotta take a drink before I do.

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The most easy thing in the world is to not disrespect Holocaust victims.

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It's so easy.

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Every day I don't do it.

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Right now, I'm not doing it.

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I never apologized once.

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I've never accidentally done it.

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I've never tripped and been like, oh, sorry.

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I disrespected the Holocaust.

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A lot of people put up Hall of Fame numbers in not disrespecting victims of the Holocaust

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without knowing it.

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365 days every year.

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Not 363, not 364.

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Fucking day in, day out.

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I put in the work to not disrespect the Holocaust.

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Eight days a week.

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That was about to...

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Absolutely.

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25-7.

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Yep.

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Tucker's just lying about how no other groups get to be remembered in terms of the Holocaust.

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I know what he's talking about.

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No one has any problem with recognizing that it wasn't only Jewish people who were killed

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by the Nazis, and no one working at the Holocaust Memorial is threatened by this information.

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But everyone is suspicious of the guy who has to point out that it wasn't just Jews

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whenever the Holocaust comes up.

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Yep.

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We all instinctually understand that this guy isn't saying what he's saying because

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he needs to correct the record or make sure everyone has the facts.

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It's about accuracy.

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He's saying it because he's angry and he thinks that the Jews are trying to play on his sympathy.

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Yeah.

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And we all kind of know that, and Tucker is that guy, and he doesn't like that people

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respond to him that way.

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Yeah.

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Buddy, 10% of our movies are still all about how great Americans were in World War II.

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A lot of them.

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We're fine.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, but no one talks about it.

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Yes, they do!

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No.

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Oh, okay, fair enough.

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Saving Private Ryan doesn't exist.

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They almost always talk about it.

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Band of Brothers?

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The idea...

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You don't mess with the Zohan?

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Man, yeah.

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The one thing that I've always thought about it, which has never really been made clear,

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right, is we made peace with the country of Germany.

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We did not make peace with Nazis.

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In a fashion.

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You see the difference there?

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There's a difference.

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Some of them we put up with.

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The head Nazi, he died.

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Took care of that for us.

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He did take care of that for us.

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I would be disappointed if we weren't capable of pulling it off on our own.

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True.

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Yeah, that would be a real bummer.

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True.

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Yeah.

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There was a reckoning afterwards.

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So I think that we can all get the sense that what Tucker is talking about is not about

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accuracy or history.

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He's angry and he feels manipulated.

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Yeah.

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And this is where the guilt part of what Tucker is saying comes in.

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No one should feel guilt about the US not getting involved in the war sooner.

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What happened happened and most of us weren't even alive then.

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So you don't need to feel guilt, but you should feel something close.

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You should feel regret.

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You should feel disgust that people do that kind of shit to each other.

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You should feel something like we can't allow this thing to happen again.

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That's not guilt.

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And I don't know anyone like if I've ever met anyone who wanted me to feel guilty about

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something like the Holocaust or slavery.

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Yeah.

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Mostly people want you to understand the scale of what happened, how it was allowed to happen,

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and how that relates to the present day.

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They want you to take some of the lessons that we learned from the horrors of the past

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that we can't change and try to apply them to the present, which maybe we can change.

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Yeah.

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To cut through the bullshit, Tucker experiences this kind of thing like guilt because on some

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level he knows that his white identity beliefs require racial and ethnic violence.

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And Holocaust Remembrance Days feel like someone reminding him of what it's going to look

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like if he gets his way.

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And that makes him feel uncomfortable.

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Yeah.

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Because he's reminded of how this works.

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You know, people aren't like right now, I'm very popular and people like what I'm saying

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right now.

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But whenever we do it, it seems like people don't like us.

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It's almost like we shouldn't be doing it.

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It's almost like we're lying to trick people into doing something they don't actually want

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to do, nor is for their own benefit.

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People are trying to guilt me by talking about the Holocaust because on some level they know

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that I'm not really against it that much.

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Right.

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I was going to say people try and guilt me about the Holocaust because they know I'm

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kinda into it.

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Cool, man.

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So civic religion.

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Sure.

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It's Israelism, which I'm not sure if it's distinct from Zionism or I don't know what

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these words mean.

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Yeah.

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But they have blasphemy laws in this civic religion.

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Do they?

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They call everything anti-Semitism.

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Oh my God.

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Only terms in which it makes sense, which is as a civic religion, which is what it is.

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And it comes complete with blasphemy laws.

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Can't say the F word on Easter, right?

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That's a blasphemy law.

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What religion matters, it's the religion that can't be mocked.

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So clearly that's not Christianity.

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I'm Jesus today.

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No, I didn't do that.

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Oh, he's your God.

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Okay.

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I'll send a meme out with me posing as your God with a demon over my shoulders.

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Nothing you can do about it.

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I'm not even going to explain what that was.

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I don't need to because I don't care about your faith at all.

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Now, but there are certain things that are blasphemy.

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And at the very top of that list is something called anti-Semitism.

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Again, these are his old neo-Nazi talking points.

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He's riffing off Kevin Alfred Strom's quote and complaining about how anti-Semitism is

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the blasphemy of our civic religion.

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And it's all just the same shit.

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Also, I feel like Tucker is taking Trump's memes way too seriously.

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I respect that he's offended and I think that's fine, but pretending that Trump's memes reflect

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underlying truths about who controls society is really dumb.

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Plus, Trump had to take that meme down.

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So if we're using Tucker's logic, he literally wasn't allowed to make fun of Jesus.

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He did that and then had to lie and pretend that he didn't.

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Yeah.

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This is softball, weak ass, lukewarm Nazi trash.

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Tucker needs to stop chewing around the edges and just say what he fucking means already

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because this is annoying.

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It would be nice.

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It would be nice.

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I mean, I obviously it wouldn't be nice, but at the very least the word...

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Okay.

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You know, when I was growing up, there was always a word count requirement.

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They always wanted like 500 words.

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They always wanted you to demonstrate that kind of stuff.

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And now that we're in the present, I feel like they should have gone hard the opposite way.

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Within the smallest number of words possible, be clear about what you're saying.

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That seems like such a good skill because this motherfucker is spending so many words

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on not saying the very obvious thing.

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But he is saying it.

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He's just saying it in a coward weaselly way.

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Right.

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But I mean, he could have just been like, I'm a Nazi.

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Yeah, but then he might get treated appropriately.

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Like a Nazi?

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And he doesn't want that.

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Yeah, that is true.

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He still wants to be able to like go to a restaurant.

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Why was everybody so mean to Hitler, right?

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Like he was just a head of state.

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You should be inviting him to your restaurant.

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The same way you might want Trump to show up at your restaurant.

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But who might be the Antichrist.

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Wow.

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But he'd sell a lot of fucking heroes.

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So Tucker seems to think here in this next clip that antisemitism is a crime.

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Sure.

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And then he tries to pull...

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Has he been to America?

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He tries to pull one of the craziest moves I've ever seen.

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Okay.

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Now, what exactly is antisemitism?

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It's one of those crimes that's a true crime in the United States.

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And actual antisemitism, hating people because of their blood is a crime.

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Certainly in Christianity, that is a crime.

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That is wrong, you're not allowed to do that.

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But that is a universal crime.

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It applies to all people.

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Whites, blacks, Asians, Jews, everybody has a right to be treated as an individual because

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everyone was created by God as an individual.

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That's the Christian understanding.

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It's a universalist understanding of rights.

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And that's the old civic religion we had.

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The civic religion of civil rights.

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Now, there was a civil rights movement, which was fraudulent.

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Maybe at its core, maybe its aims were not advertised honestly.

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Maybe there was another point to that.

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Just possible.

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But conceptually, it's kind of hard to argue with the fact that the assumptions behind

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civil rights are Christian assumptions, they're Western assumptions.

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They're the assumptions upon which our whole civilization is built.

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And the core assumption is that standards, rules apply to everyone because every human

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being possesses a soul given to him by God at creation, which is not an act that men

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brought about, but that only God can bring about.

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God creates life, he endows each human being with a soul, that soul is eternal.

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Therefore, each individual possesses rights granted him by God, not government.

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And a good government protects those rights.

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And in so doing, upholds God's law.

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That's Western civilization right there.

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And in a kind of diluted, silly way, the civil rights movement was upholding those ideas.

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Come on, man.

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So if I'm following Tucker, the current civic religion is Israelism, which seems to be a

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form of white guilt that's been foisted upon the Western man because of the Holocaust.

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Sure.

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Tucker is against this and is nostalgic for the past when civil rights were the civic

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religion, but not the civil rights movement.

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That was a silly communist conspiracy.

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The old civic religion of civil rights meant that all people were created equal with a

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soul from God, which is why black people couldn't vote and women couldn't get a job

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without their husband's permission.

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Because we were equal.

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God knows they shouldn't get a credit card.

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Right.

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There's only one way to describe this content, which is reassurance.

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Tucker is saying some horrible shit and regurgitating straight up Nazi talking points

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from way back, and he's trying to soften how it sounds to his audience by doing this

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dumb act about how he loves civil rights.

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He's feeding the audience Nazi shit, then trying to reassure them that they're not

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Nazis.

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They're actually the only people who care about civil rights, unlike those civil rights

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activists.

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Also, being anti-Semitic in the United States isn't a crime.

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Holocaust denial is a pastime.

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It's illegal in some other countries, but based on the fact that all of Tucker's friends

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not being in jail, he should realize that it's totally cool here.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, he is still like he's doing concerts.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I don't know how to describe it.

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I don't know how we would get this law or how we would enforce it, but this level of

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gaslighting is a physical crime.

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This is an assault.

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I truly it hurts.

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It hurts my head.

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It hurts my head to have somebody gaslight me because it is like, do I even exist?

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Does my memory happen?

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Am I a fiction created to keep this man sane?

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Are you saying that the way that Tucker is behaving is an affront to truth?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I would say...

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You used Trump of that earlier.

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I would even say it's an affront to just like basic physics.

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Like if anything he says is true, then I can no longer believe that force equals mass times

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acceleration.

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This world is cuckoo if anything he says is true.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I think that in the same way that quantum stuff made us rethink physics and you know

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like, oh, these rules, they're different than we thought.

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Sure.

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We got to get to that level with laws where it's like, it doesn't really make sense how

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we write this law.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Something's got to be done about this.

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We need quantum laws.

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I understand.

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Yeah.

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It needs to be a superposition of both legal and illegal at the same time until we collectively

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decide Tucker needs to fuck off.

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Yeah.

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Somehow this must be illegal but not encroach on free speech.

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How are we going to do this?

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Hey, listen.

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Quarks.

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You're probably fine.

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Tucker's not.

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So just don't be that guy.

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So Tucker, I don't think he realizes it, but as he talks he ends up like severely contradicting

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himself.

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Well.

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Some of us thought, stupidly, with the cattle we are, that the real lessons of World War

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II were every person has inalienable rights.

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That's what we were taught.

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That was a pretty common understanding in say the 1970s and 80s.

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Nazis are bad because they redlined one group and said these people don't have the same

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rights as everyone else by virtue of their blood.

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Is that just, is that the only reason Nazis are bad?

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Eugenics.

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They were interested in people's bloodline.

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Who are you related to?

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We're going to find out if you're a secret Jew.

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Well, that's disgusting.

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That's, we used to say that's Nazi behavior.

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And then the next thing you know, every other federal form you get,

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asks you what your race is and you're thinking, well, why does that matter?

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I thought you told me it didn't matter.

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I thought you told me it was evil to care about that.

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But you wake up in 2026 and our closest ally is using our weapons to kill and displace

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people because of how they were born.

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And not only is that okay, the only real crime is complaining about it.

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Well, that tells you, well, it tells you a lot of things.

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So Tucker might not realize it, but he's doing the exact same thing he's complaining about

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everyone doing, which is making the Holocaust all about the Jewish victims.

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He's explaining why the Nazis are bad.

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And he's saying it's because they chose one specific group and tried to exterminate them.

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This whole show has been complaining about Jewish people claiming some status as singular

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victims in the Holocaust, but he just casually affirmed that this is the case because he's

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not really confident with this material yet.

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He's, he's kind of an open mic-er at Nazi stuff.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He's not a good Nazi.

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Also, he doesn't know that you don't have to fill in those forms, all that stuff.

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I mean-

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And a lot of them have an option that says, I prefer not to answer for questions like

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race and stuff.

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Specifically, not for the people themselves, because people like Tucker exist.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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He's really upset, but his complaints seem kind of petty.

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And sure, it sucks that Trump has buddied up with the Palantir people who are supplying

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technology and weapons to Israel to commit genocide against the Palestinians, but that's

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not something that just happened after the 2024 election.

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Trump's been connected to Peter Thiel for years, and the only reason JD Vance is the

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Vice President is because of Thiel.

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The first Trump administration openly used Palantir to aid ICE with deportations and

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shit, and Tucker didn't care at all, because none of these concerns are real.

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Yeah.

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This is all bullshit that he's using in order to justify the coming denial of the Holocaust

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that he's going to engage in.

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Yeah.

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It could not be more coming down the pipeline.

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Oh yeah.

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The idea that we aren't already automatically saying, oh, this guy is denying the Holocaust.

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We don't even need to go further.

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The future doesn't need to exist.

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Currently, he is denying the Holocaust.

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I want to be clear about something.

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I haven't listened to every single one of his shows.

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So it's entirely possible-

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He might already be denying it.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Definitely.

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But this is a situation where we could set up a elaborate, like you press a button and

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confetti shoots out when he finally does it, because it's happening.

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Yeah.

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It's coming soon, if not already.

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Yeah.

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But here's the thing about that is if you're already denying the Holocaust, there's no

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reason to use this many words.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I don't...

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This feels like scaffolding for a good Holocaust denial.

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I think maybe he needed to fill time to get his ads in or something.

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I don't know, but if you're denying the Holocaust, you're soft denying it by saying a whole bunch.

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But that's not full on denying it.

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That's him trying to be like, oh, well, some people are 250,000 and some people...

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He's doing that whole thing.

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That's what I'm saying.

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He's well versed in being slippery and smooth when it comes to white identity, kind of talking

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points and racism and blah.

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But I don't think that he really has sea legs when it comes to like, alright, fuck it.

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I'm gonna do the thing that there's probably no return from.

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I think you do have to practice being a Nazi.

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Again, I have a spotless record not being a Nazi.

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You gotta get your reps in to be believable.

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Not one time have I been a Nazi.

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It's not even been a thought I've had.

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I bet you'd suck.

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I would be such a bad Nazi.

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So Tucker complains here a little bit about the definition of anti-Semitism.

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Oh, great.

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And that civic religion once again is called Israelism.

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And it means that any criticism of Israel is by definition bad, and any praise of Israel

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is by definition virtuous, because the only truly good thing is Israel.

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And we know that by the actual definition, and there is one, of anti-Semitism.

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So what is anti-Semitism?

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And if you've been called it or if someone's ever implied it, you have a problem with the

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Jews, you're kind of obsessed with the Jews, say people who are completely obsessed with

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the Jews.

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You probably wonder like, what are they accusing me of?

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Well, here it is.

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This is the IHRA, International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance.

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IHRA, you may hear this.

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The IHRA definition of anti-Semitism.

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Do you know what it is?

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It's on their website.

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It's worth looking at.

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Spent the morning reading it.

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Fascinating.

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So here's the actual definition of anti-Semitism.

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And by the way, this is a now globally recognized definition enshrined in law around the world

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in more than 40 countries.

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This is the definition.

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And I'm quoting.

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Anti-Semitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred towards

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Jews.

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So anti-Semitism is a perception.

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It's a feeling.

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Okay.

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Is that what a perception is?

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I thought you'd have any feeling or perception you wanted.

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You could look at facts and come to any conclusion you wanted.

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No, no, no, no.

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The IHRA didn't say you can't be anti-Semitic.

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So far from what Tucker's read, they just described what anti-Semitism is.

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Yeah.

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You're free to have whatever feelings you want, but people are also free to describe

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them.

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There are a lot of different definitions of what constitutes anti-Semitism and Tucker's

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choosing the IHRA version intentionally, but because it includes this in the list, quote,

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denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g. by claiming that the existence of the

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state of Israel is a racist endeavor.

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Sure.

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It also includes this quote, drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of

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the Nazis.

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I think that these are both understandable and definitely can be tools of anti-Semitism,

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but because of how they're worded, many valid criticisms of the Israeli government could

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fall under these headings.

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Yeah.

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And that's messy.

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Yeah.

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That's not, it's imprecise.

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Yeah, they were assuming that that wouldn't happen.

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But even so, it's not illegal to be a bigot.

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Plus, the IHRA put out this definition in 2016.

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The US approved it in 2019 during Trump's first term, and it isn't legally binding.

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But you'd think that if Tucker's so upset about this and how it changes the civic religion

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of the United States, he wouldn't work so hard to re-elect the guy who adopted this

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definition during his first term.

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You'd think.

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Daddy wouldn't be coming home if this mattered so much.

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Yeah.

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Seems really hard to justify his actions during 2020 election, 2024.

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Don't remember those.

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That was too far back.

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Oh.

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How long have we been doing this?

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This episode?

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Just a couple of days?

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Trump just showed up and started behaving weird.

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Oh man.

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It was so weird.

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He's changed.

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I can't believe he changed so much within a very short period of time.

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God, I spent so much time with him before.

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He was so cool.

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It's so crazy.

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The thing that changed though, really, was him being mean to me.

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We-

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Aww.

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Aww.

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The bully doesn't want to hang out with me anymore, and now I realize he's a bully.

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Daddy's mean to me.

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So Tucker has this definition, and he just, he kind of riffs a little bit around.

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True.

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Yeah, I have a little fun with him.

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Yeah.

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Certain perceptions are inherently immoral.

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They're quote, anti-Semitic, which may be expressed as hatred towards Jews.

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Oh, so you don't have to hate the Jews to be anti-Semitic?

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No.

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Yeah.

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That answers the question for those of us who don't hate Jews at all.

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How can you be anti-Semitic if you don't hate Jews?

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Well, you can be, according to the official definition of it.

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Continuing to quote, rhetorical, rhetorical meaning talking, words, speech, formerly protected,

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no longer, rhetorical and physical manifestations of anti-Semitism are directed toward Jewish

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or non-Jewish individuals and or their property toward Jewish community institutions and religious

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facilities.

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Wait a second.

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So anti-Semitism is not necessarily hatred of Jews, and it can be expressed toward non-Jews.

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So you don't have to hate Jews and you don't have to express or have these perceptions,

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these feelings toward Jews.

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You can be non-Jews too.

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What is this?

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Tucker brings to mind a Nazi Muppet.

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His delivery is so clownish and infantile that I just can't imagine he's not made of felt.

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Yeah.

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Like, what's this?

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What are you talking about?

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How do you lift this glass all the way to your mouth?

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I don't have feet.

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Yeah.

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All of this is very simple to understand and explain.

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And if he's actually confused by this definition, then he's just revealing he's super dumb.

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Let's say you carve a Star of David onto a guy's garage door.

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He's not Jewish, but you know that he just signed a deal with some business people who

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are.

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Maybe you don't actually hate Jewish people.

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Maybe you were in the running for that deal and you're just mad that you didn't get it.

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That's a very simple scenario where a person who doesn't hate Jewish people can carry out

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an act that is super anti Semitic against the property of someone who isn't Jewish.

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Yeah.

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It took you about how long to say that?

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Yeah, that was about as long as it needed.

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The important thing to understand about a clip like this is that Tucker fully understands

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this.

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He's just pretending like he's reading a foreign language because the alternative is to take

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this conversation seriously, and that would start to indict him and make him feel bad

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about how he's getting ready to deny the Holocaust.

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I mean, the...

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How can you be anti Semitic if you don't hate them?

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What if you just think they're a sub race of people not equal to you?

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Yeah, and to be totally clear, I'm not fully signing off on and endorsing the IHRA's definition.

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I think that there's some useful things in there that are quite accurately describing

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anti Semitism.

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And then there's some stuff that's kind of like, I don't know if this is how we want

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to phrase some of this.

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So I'm not here taking that position against Tucker.

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I'm taking the position that what he's saying is stupid.

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Yeah.

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I mean, listen, when you write that stuff down, you're thinking, well, we're probably

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not gonna commit a genocide in a few years, right?

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But then when it happens, you're like, well, we can't rewrite it now to include sometimes

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we commit genocides.

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That's real fucked up.

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It's messy.

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Yeah, it's messy.

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So Tucker claims that two thirds of the examples of anti Semitism are actually just criticism

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of Israel in this definition.

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I'm sure.

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Well, the people who wrote it at the IHRA probably anticipated this would be confusing

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to you.

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So they gave 11 examples of what anti Semitism is, just so you know, like, how do I know

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if I'm being anti Semitic?

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Well, here are 11 examples of those 11 examples.

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And we did the math.

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Two thirds are criticism of Israel.

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Good math.

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The state of Israel, the nation with the prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, BB.

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Criticism of Israel in two thirds of the examples that the IHRA gave.

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What's two thirds of 11?

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That's anti Semitism.

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So this just isn't true, but it's more complicated than saying that it's false.

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For example, I brought up that example from the IHRA definition earlier, quote, denying

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the Jewish people their right to self determination, eg by claiming that the existence of the state

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of Israel is a racist endeavor.

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This is one of the 11 bullet points on the IHRA definition.

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And it's a situation where things could be in a gray area, which is a great name for

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a podcast.

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Someone could use that standard to call a lot of criticism of the Israeli government

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when the criticism may not be rooted in anti Semitism at all.

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At the same time, what that bullet point is describing definitely could be an anti Semite

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saying anti Semitic shit.

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It's not so much that this is calling all criticism of Israel anti Semitism.

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It's more that it's not precise in a way that makes the definition easy to exploit

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by both ends of that spectrum.

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Sure, sure, sure, sure.

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When Tucker says a bunch of these bullet points are just criticism of Israel, what he means

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is that Israel is mentioned in a number of them.

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The issue is that some of them are things like, quote, holding Jews collectively responsible

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for the actions of the state of Israel.

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That mentions Israel, but it's not saying that criticizing Israel is anti Semitic.

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This is an easy distinction to make if you care at all about the truth, which Tucker

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does not.

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No.

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And it's silly to pretend.

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It's an instantly easy decision to make.

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Right?

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Like it is always important to remember that when they're writing these down, it is generally

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a response to the most common shit they hear, not a like, okay, listen, one out of 1000

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times we hear this absolutely useful criticism.

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We get it.

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We're all for it.

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We criticize people too.

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But 999 times out of that 1000 this motherfucker is saying anti Semitic shit.

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Okay, so we can include that sometimes it's not.

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But fuck it.

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Fuck that guy.

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Yeah, like this definition would exclude and wrongly label some valid criticism, but it

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would also accurately describe a fair amount of people who are like Tucker.

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Yeah.

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So that's why it's messy.

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Any time I have ever had a conversation with somebody in good faith and they have a valid

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criticism and I have a valid criticism, neither of us go, oh, you're anti.

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We go like, oh shit.

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Yeah.

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It's only when there's an invalid criticism that somebody goes, fuck you.

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Whenever I talk to racist Muppets, it goes bad.

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Somehow it always goes bad for me.

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Yeah.

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So Tucker, you know, he's going down this list of things and he's having a fun time.

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That's anti Semitism, including here we go.

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Drawing quote, drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.

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Oh, in other words, if you think what's happening in Gaza,

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is genocide, well, Nazis committed genocide.

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Now the state of Israel is committing genocide in Gaza, meaning they're trying to eliminate

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people on the basis of their blood.

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You were an anti Semite.

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Oh, okay.

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You're an anti Semite if you think that.

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That's kind of tough because I can kind of see all the sides here.

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On the one hand, Tucker is making the point that the Holocaust was a genocide and the

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world agrees that Gaza is too.

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If A equals B and B equals C, then A equals C.

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That's how it works.

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It's clear cut math.

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On the other hand, I get the point that a group like the IHRA is making, and I get that

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there are meaningful differences that make the logical formula not fit, but it's also

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messy.

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I generally try to avoid these kinds of comparisons because they're fraught with meaning and

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pain that I have the luxury to not be personally connected to, but I can also see how some

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would say that it can't be bigoted just to make a comparison.

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Sure.

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But I can also see how that's really attacking someone in a point that is soft.

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Yeah.

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No, I mean, there was a time when it would have been.

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Now it's not.

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Sorry.

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Bummer.

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It's messy.

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You shouldn't have done it.

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I definitely don't agree with Tucker, but if there's one bullet point on this list that

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I can see some real trouble with, it's this one.

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But I also understand why it's a bullet point.

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I get it.

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Well, I mean, nobody really thought they were going to do it.

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So why wouldn't you put it on there?

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Because they weren't.

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Sure.

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And now that they are, it's tough.

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So also it turns out that being Christian is antisemitic.

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That sounds right.

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It also tells us that the suggestion that Jews killed Jesus is, quote, classic antisemitism.

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Classic antisemitism.

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There goes the New Testament.

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The whole New Testament is antisemitic too.

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Read the gospels and see if they fall under that definition.

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They do.

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Why does this matter?

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Well, because about 40 US states and the District of Columbia and our biggest cities, Miami,

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Los Angeles, have adopted this.

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This is their standard that they voted on and adopted.

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It's in the law.

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This standard.

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So it's antisemitic to say that the Jews killed Jesus.

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And the gospels don't back this up.

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No matter how many times Tucker has seen the Passion of the Christ.

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Come on.

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There's a beauty to how the story of Jesus's crucifixion is told in the gospels, where

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it was definitely the Romans who killed Jesus.

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But it couldn't have happened without the consent of the public and the scheme that

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was set in motion by the elites and shit.

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Yeah.

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No one can be blamed for killing Jesus because we all did.

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That's the idea.

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Everyone killed him.

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Yeah.

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On the cross, Jesus literally said, forgive them, Father, for they know not what they

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do.

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Do you think that same guy is interested in finger pointing about who's more responsible?

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No, no, no, no, no.

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They know what they do.

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They don't know what they do.

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Those guys, though, they know what they did.

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Yeah.

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Do you think that Jesus is like, oh, avenge me?

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Yeah.

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Or do you think that blaming certain groups for killing Jesus is part of a human legacy

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meant to stigmatize outgroups?

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Huh.

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Basically, I think if you're religious, that's awesome, and I respect your beliefs.

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However, if you're a Christian and you want to argue about who killed Jesus, I think you're

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a loser who doesn't get the point.

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And that's really how he feels.

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Yeah.

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I mean, listen, my wife, she loves watching true crime, loves watching true crime.

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Right.

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And a lot of the times whenever they do those cold case files, they'll have found out who

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did the crime, but they're already dead.

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Right.

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So at the end of that true crime documentary, they don't go, and now we kill everybody that

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that guy knows.

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Right.

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That seems a little bit too crazy.

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Right.

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Somehow that doesn't seem to be the case for these guys.

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Weird.

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Weird how that works that you can't think for two seconds.

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Yeah, but you got to keep moving.

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Yeah, it's important to keep moving.

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Yeah.

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Like, you know what Tucker makes me think of?

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A fucking guy who's about to get a temporary swastika tattoo just to see how it feels.

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You know, like, but not a permanent one.

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Just wash it off.

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And then he goes to a show and somebody plays Nazi Punks Fuck Off one time, and he's like,

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I'm not wearing this anymore.

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And then he just walks home sadly, kicking a rock down the street.

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I'll never be cool.

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Like he's fucking Snoopy.

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Ah, nuts.

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Yeah.

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So this is where things got bad.

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This is where things got bad.

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Nah, I'm kidding.

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It was early.

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Oh, okay.

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But I looked at this and there was an hour left in this episode.

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Fuck you.

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Fuck you.

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Nope.

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Not in ours.

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Not in ours, goddamn it.

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So that's why I was confused when he said this.

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I want to end with probably the most mocked and yet clearest evangelist of this new faith,

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this Israelism.

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You could say it's Christianity without the New Testament.

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And that would be someone, again, who's often made fun of for being dumb or he doesn't know

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what he's talking about.

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But it's sometimes people like that that give you the clearest picture of what the people

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in power really are talking about.

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That person would be Sean Hannity over Fox News.

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Not a bad guy, not a mean guy, lifelong Catholic.

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If you asked him, are you a Catholic?

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, I'm a Catholic and I think he is.

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Not an attacker, even a claim to understand his personal religious faith.

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But watch Sean Hannity, cradle Catholic, describe the Pope.

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This is his reaction to the president of the United States attacking the Pope, head

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of the Catholic Church.

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And here's Sean Hannity's response as a Catholic to that.

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Watch.

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He doesn't want any conflict anywhere.

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And he was talking about violence.

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And I'm like, have you even read the Bible?

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Have you read the conflicts, the wars that were that the Israeli people that were they

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were empowered by God to defeat their enemies?

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Did you ever hear the story about David slaying Goliath through the power of God with a slingshot

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against this massive giant or the conflicts and the wars of King Saul and so on and so

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forth?

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And frankly, all throughout Israel's history, they've been surrounded by enemies.

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But as God's chosen people, they against all odds, keep winning.

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Pretty amazing.

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So it does take a kind of cable news mentality to say of the Pope, Hey, you ever read the

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Bible?

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It's hilarious.

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The ones.

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Hey, think about the Pope.

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This guy's never read the Bible.

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He's just the Pope.

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So there's that.

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Got his ass.

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Got his ass.

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So here's how I know that my brain is just gone.

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Yeah, I was listening to that and I was like, I got to listen to Sean Hannity's show.

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This sounds like shit.

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He sounds so boring.

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I got to check out an episode of this.

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That's not good.

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No, that's no good.

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So to be clear, Hannity is not splitting with the Pope because the Pope criticized Israel.

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Hannity is splitting with the Pope because the Pope and Trump got into a Twitter fight.

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Incidentally, the day after Tucker did this episode, Hannity got on his show and said

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he was no longer a Catholic and that it totally wasn't because of the Twitter fight that Trump

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got into with the Pope and that it actually happened a long time ago and he's not a loser.

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Tucker can try his best to make this all a big Israel or Jewish conspiracy, but the truth

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of the matter is this is about Trump.

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Hannity sided with Trump over his lifelong religion because that's what people around

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Trump are expected to do.

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Hannity gets it.

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He's a blowhard who thinks way too highly of himself, but I think he at least understands

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the game that he's playing.

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The game all of these people decided to enter into was one that was scripted well in advance

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and Trump wins.

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In order to become a Trump media surrogate, you have to debase yourself because the thing

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you're doing is preposterous.

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It's Donald Trump and you want him to be president.

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Sure, Trump is crazy, but you're the guy who tried to sincerely argue that the crazy

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guy should be president, so maybe you're the crazy one.

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It comes with money and a lively, mean audience and a proximity to power, but the price is

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that you've lost from the jump.

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Hannity gets it.

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He's playing to lose and he doesn't care how stupid he looks because he's got an audience

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of one.

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All of these other Trump people are kidding themselves, thinking that somehow they're

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going to be the one person who enters into a shady deal with Trump and comes out ahead.

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All of them are, they've already lost and they have no idea.

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Insane.

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If you're Tucker and this is your response, you look like a crybaby loser.

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If he had anything, he would be releasing documents and taking Trump down with his tax

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returns or whatever intel he could get his hands on.

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But this?

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It's just more explicit Nazi whining where Trump is maybe now the Antichrist.

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By doing a show like this, Tucker is more or less revealing that this is the best he's

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got.

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And if you're Trump, you gotta feel pretty good about the decision to cut this loser

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loose.

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Because he sucks.

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He's no threat.

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He's got a low IQ and his family knows he's fucking stupid.

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And he needs a psychiatrist.

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He really does.

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This is terrible.

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You are...

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This is a white flag.

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This is bullshit.

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Yeah, Hannity's gonna get through this.

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And I gotta watch that boring ass show.

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I was listening to that and I'm like, he's drunk, right?

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Like that sounds, he sounds a little drunk.

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He sounds terrible.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, he's a people, he's a slingshot.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Hey, Pope.

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You know about...

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David and Clive?

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If Hannity's drinking, I think we might have something to look into.

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I feel like if there's someone who cares less about being taken seriously, then Tucker,

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it's gotta be Hannity.

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Yeah.

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Like...

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He's been doing it for too long.

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Yeah.

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To have...

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If he gave a shit, it's way too...

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It's way past the expiration date.

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Yeah.

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I kind of want to check out a Hannity or two.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I might do that.

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Eh.

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Eh.

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Who knows where Alex is gonna be?

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Who knows where he is right now?

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So look, dude.

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Yeah.

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The Pope, he just said some chill anti-war stuff.

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Sure.

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Right?

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And then Trump was like, you're not Christian.

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He's kind of a dick.

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Yeah, man.

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It was ugly.

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But listen to the content, which is actually more interesting and less funny and little

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meatier than it seems at first.

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So the Pope is saying, look, I'm a Christian leader, the Christian gospel, which I represent,

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however imperfectly this Pope may represent it, from my perspective, imperfectly, but

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whatever.

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All Christian leaders have a duty to consult the gospel as they think about their positions

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on things.

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That's the whole point is the gospel.

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And as a Christian leader, the leader of the biggest Christian denomination, like, I'm

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not for war.

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And maybe some wars are possibly defensible under just war theory, which no one ever really

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explains.

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But you can imagine a war of self-defense that most Christians would feel comfortable

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with.

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Being a Christian probably doesn't necessarily mean you oppose all violence in all circumstances.

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Maybe it should, but in practice it doesn't.

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But this Pope is just saying something pretty conventional like that.

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Nothing crazy, actually.

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No name calling, no great departure from Christian theology or ethics as people have understood

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it for thousands of years.

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And the response is, hey, you haven't read the Bible?

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There's a ton of killing in the Bible.

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Israel's constantly under attack by its neighbors, the Amalekites, the Philistines, you name

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it, and they fight back with God's blessing and they kill.

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And that's what they're supposed to be doing, which is true, by the way.

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It is all in there.

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But it's not in the New Testament.

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And for Christians, that's the difference.

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It's not a matter of the Old Testament being irrelevant.

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It's certainly not.

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And Christians understand it as one long story.

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And as Jesus famously said, I came not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it, to bring

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it to its intended conclusion.

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I'm here so the law will have its desired effect on you.

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But Jesus never offers a single order to kill or hurt anybody.

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And there's no place in the entire New Testament, the four Gospels, the letters that follow,

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mostly from Paul, and the vision at the end by Saint John called Revelation.

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There's not one page or sentence in the entire New Testament in which Jesus is recorded saying,

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they're very annoying or they're a threat or they disagree with us or they're of another

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faith, kill them.

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Not once.

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In fact, it's the opposite of that.

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In fact, it's so clearly the opposite of that that you have to wonder who's reading the

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Bible and who isn't.

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Yeah, who's reading that Bible?

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So after Trump threatened to end Iranian civilization in one day, the pope made a little

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comment that was begging both sides to calm down and saying that this wasn't good for

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anyone.

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In response, Trump tweeted at the pope saying that the pope was, quote, weak on crime and

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took credit for him being chosen as pope because the bishops were all trying to suck up to

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Trump by picking an American.

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Yeah, I'd say that's probably true.

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With the whole history of appeasing fascists, it's probably not a great sign that Trump

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is bragging that he thinks that the Vatican chose a new pope based on their fears of what

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he might do to them.

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Yeah.

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That kind of sounds like appeasing.

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It does.

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So Trump encouraged him to, quote, get his act together as pope, which is a ridiculous

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sentiment.

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I love it.

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I love that.

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You shape up pope.

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I'm, I'm, see, this is the problem.

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Sometimes whenever you go after the pope, I'm fine with it.

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Well, the phrasing of it is so fucking crazy.

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Pope, get your shit together, man.

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So that day, Trump continued to talk shit about Pope Leo and then posted a picture of

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himself as Jesus.

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The next day, Trump kept on talking shit and saying that the pope should stay out of politics.

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Then the president of Iran tweeted a message of support to the pope.

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The day after that, the pope responded saying, quote, the things that I say are certainly

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not meant as attacks on anyone, and the message of the gospel is very clear.

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Blessed are the peacemakers.

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I have no fear of the Trump administration or speaking out loudly of the message of the

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gospel, which is what I believe I'm here to do, what the church is here to do.

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We're not politicians.

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We don't deal with foreign policy with the same perspective.

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He might understand it, but I do believe in the message of the gospel as a peacemaker.

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In response, Trump tweeted, quote, will someone please tell Pope Leo that Iran has killed

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at least 42,000 innocent, completely unarmed protesters in the last two months, and that

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for Iran to have a nuclear bomb is absolutely unacceptable.

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Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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All caps.

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America is back.

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To the pope.

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Can someone get the pope on the line?

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I mean, oh boy.

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So then the pope subtweeted Trump saying, quote, woe to those who manipulate religion

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and the very name of God for their own military, economic and political gain, dragging that

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which is sacred into darkness and filth.

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You know what I love about the pope?

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Cowardice.

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Huge fan.

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You subtweeting people.

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Yeah.

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That is bullshit.

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That undercuts every single fucking bullshit thing.

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You could possibly say about fucking anything.

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If you're sub tweeting a motherfucker, it's because you're a coward.

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It's because you're a loser.

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It's because you fucking suck.

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Wait till the end of the story.

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Shit pope.

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Fuck this guy.

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It's a reasonable reaction, but wait until the end.

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Sure.

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So after, after the pope said this, Trump accused the pope of supporting Iran, having

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nukes and insisted that they totally weren't fighting.

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Hell yeah.

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Then the pope came out and said that some of the things he tweeted and said were written

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weeks in advance and were not responses to things.

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Fuck off.

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Quote, much of what has been written since then has been more commentary upon commentary,

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trying to interpret what has been said.

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The talk that I gave at the prayer meeting for peace a couple of days ago was prepared

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two weeks ago, well before the president ever commented on myself and on the message of

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peace that I'm promoting.

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And yet, as it happens, it was looked at as if I was trying to debate again the president,

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which is not my interest at all.

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And that gave everyone kind of an off ramp.

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So everything cooled down after that.

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Cause the pope was like, I don't want to debate bro.

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All of these people can go fuck themselves.

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Every single, the idea of you fucks being allowed to talk to each other, let alone through

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the internet infuriates me.

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The president tweeted a picture of himself as Jesus and the pope tweets anything.

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I mean, we can't handle it.

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Everybody go home, everybody go home for a good two weeks.

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Think about what you've done.

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Get rid of all your clothes, wear potato sacks, and then let's all go outside together as

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one.

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And let me say this pope, Trump is wronger.

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He's more wrong.

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No, I disagree.

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I disagree.

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You lose.

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Now I get what you're saying.

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When you start a fight with the person that you know is crazy, then you're crazy.

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Either you're crazy and you lose or you're crazy and you win.

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So you lost.

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I get that argument, but also Trump is definitely wronger.

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Sure.

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But that's like saying that the lightning is wronger than the clouds.

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Like this dude's going to be a piece.

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We know what he does.

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You know what he does.

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The responsibility is on you now.

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Well, I think that you're under cutting the pope.

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Yeah, fuck that guy.

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Is the pope not a force of nature?

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Absolutely not.

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Apparently he's a little loser who cries and whines whenever the president is mean

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to him.

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Yeah.

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And like Trump is like, Hey man, could someone get the pope on the line?

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Why didn't he call Leo?

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He could have.

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Leo's a gummy.

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Why didn't he call our guy?

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He could have called him.

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Yeah.

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He could have called the pope.

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True.

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That's available to him.

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He's the president of the goddamn states.

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The pope was traveling.

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Fuck off.

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So this has nothing to do with Israel or any kind of grand political conspiracy where people

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are making rational choices.

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We have a lunatic as our president and he was trying to bully the pope.

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That's all that happened.

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Yep.

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Also a major point about Tucker's clip, what he said, he and Alex Jones have a fundamental

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disagreement about the new Testament.

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Alex believes that Jesus is not a pacifist at all.

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And he encourages righteous violence and says that people who preach that Jesus wants us

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to turn the other cheek are globalists trying to pacify the Christian Patriots.

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These two cannot possibly have compatible religious views.

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And yet they pretend to be so in sync with each other, almost like neither of them actually

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cares about this shit at all.

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And it's all for show.

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Yeah.

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Crazy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So we got one last clip here.

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And I'll say that the reason there was another hour left is because Tucker interviews some

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celebrity online Orthodox pastor, which I find to be difficult to understand because I feel

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like that's prideful.

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Yeah.

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And so an Orthodox pastor shouldn't have a YouTube channel where they're like self promoting

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and stuff.

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I feel like that kind of contradict.

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Oh, well.

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Celebrity itself is against God.

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It's weird.

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Anyway, I didn't care to listen to whatever that was going to be.

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Yeah, probably smart.

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50-50 shot.

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It was going to be about how the Holocaust wasn't real.

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Tucker will get there eventually.

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I imagine so, yeah.

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But for now, here is a good offer amp.

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In Jesus's very first sermon in the very first Gospel, Matthew, Matthew five, the famous

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Sermon on the Mount, he addresses this really clearly.

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And I think anybody reading it for the first or hundredth time comes away thinking, well,

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a lot of things.

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But among them would be Jesus is really down on violence and he's really down on greed.

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Very much opposed to both because he says it really, really clearly.

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And not just down on violence and greed.

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But taking the prescriptions against those things in the Old Testament and accelerating

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them to a point that shocking, really, to modern ears, to ancient ears, to any human

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being.

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The demands that Jesus makes on people are shocking.

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He says, for example, all in Matthew five, worth reading, amazing, really radical.

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Not really of this world at all, which is kind of the whole point.

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He says, you've been told not to kill.

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Don't commit murder.

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Moses told you that.

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I'm telling you, don't be angry.

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If you curse somebody, you risk going to hell.

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That's what he says.

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So you can debate what that means.

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Is it possible to apply that standard?

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Can you actually live up to that?

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Pretty hard.

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But what you can't conclude is that Jesus is in favor of dropping bombs on kids.

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Blowing up entire apartment buildings, raping people in prisons.

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You can't conclude that because it's the opposite of that.

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And so if you have concluded that by reference to Old Testament texts, the Book of Ruth,

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you're espousing the tenets of religion.

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But it's not Christianity.

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It's our new religion, Israelism.

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That's just what it is.

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Call it that.

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Call it that.

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Just be honest about what you're saying.

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Outline it for us.

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Give us the creed.

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Think of a new name for it.

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Give us 10 points.

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We can all recite them.

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People who don't can be punished.

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But tell us what you're saying.

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Tell us what you're saying.

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Tell us what you're saying.

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Tell us what you're saying.

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Stop being punished.

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But tell us what the religion is.

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Be straightforward with us.

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Stop playing this head trip on us and telling us that something that's clearly anti-Christian

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is in fact the real Christianity because that's just not true.

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And this kind of deception is making everybody crazy.

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Spring is the most refreshing time of year.

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Nothing complements it better than Black Rifle Coffee.

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Lots of it.

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I started with the Sermon on the Mount really being against greed and it's nice that it

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ends with him plugging a sponsor.

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Super fun.

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Kind of book-endy.

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And I would say that I don't agree with Tucker what he's saying.

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But spiritually underneath what he's saying is people need to just be more clear about

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what they believe.

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Yeah.

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And I would say you too, buddy.

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Yeah.

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You're talking about yourself.

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Your lies are driving everybody crazy.

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No, they're driving you crazy.

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Yeah.

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Because you are a clear Nazi.

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Yeah.

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And you just can't...

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He feels so free when he's able to say like, isn't it funny how stupid Trump was that we've

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been pretending it wasn't the case this whole time?

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Man.

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If he would just let go and be like throwing slurs around.

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Yeah.

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Talking about how like maybe Hitler was right.

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Have fun with it.

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I think he would feel so free.

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He's being driven crazy by a fear that Black Rifle Coffee will leave him.

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Yeah, man.

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I just don't know.

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It feels like when you win, you should get to celebrate.

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Like this is the problem with these kind of guys, right?

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Good people, cool people, score a touchdown.

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They have an end zone celebration.

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They do something.

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They throw the ball into the stands.

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They live a life.

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You just did something cool and eventually you'll die.

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Guys like these?

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Man, I don't want to do...

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I don't want to...

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Pathetic, pathetic.

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Enjoy your win.

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Be a Nazi to the max.

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Either.

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Yeah, they're the kind of people who like only have two modes.

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They don't have fun touchdown celebration.

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They have that or they snap someone's neck.

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They like go way too far.

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And I think that Tucker's the boring mope version.

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Loser.

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And it's too fucking obvious that like you're out.

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You got cut out.

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Like, yes, he was starting to go against Trump and he was far more open than some other people

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were about trying to shift his brand up.

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But like he got fired.

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He was on his way to quitting, but he also got fired.

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Maybe he was on his way to quitting.

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Bingo.

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He looked like he was on his way to quitting, but maybe being on your way to quitting is

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a nice way to get a little bit more so you don't quit.

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But if you've been fired, fuck it.

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Yeah.

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And if he's going to come out with a show like this that is transparently anti-Semitic,

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Nazi talking point garbage, and he's going to be like, oh, maybe Trump's the anti-Christ.

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All this shit.

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And he's not pulling out blackmail that he has on Trump.

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Then he doesn't have anything.

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Nope.

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He's impotent.

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And I would expect he's just going to lash out with more of this and see if there's enough

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money in this territory.

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And then if it is, he'll get that tattoo permanent instead of the stick on.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I guess the question for all these guys, right, is can we jump or do we have

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to like little bit at a time?

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You know, are we just going to dip our toes in and then take another little step out of

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the kiddie pool and so on and so forth?

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Or are we just going to jump off the diving board and go into Nazi?

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Right.

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And it's frustrating to see them try the stairs when it feels like to all appearances, get

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on that diving board and do a back flip, buddy.

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Well, and I think when you're in an environment where everybody is going down the stairs,

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it looks normal.

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But when you have like Nick Fuentes has gone off the diving board, that guy from Fresh

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and Fit podcast has gone off the diving board.

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These other people are doing moves and you look silly inching your way into the water.

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That guy did a twist and then a flip and then was like, and the Holocaust didn't happen.

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You're like, maybe it was a bunch of people.

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Shut up.

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Also, you're in your 50s.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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Get in the fucking pool.

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Splash.

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Absolutely.

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Splash or get the fuck out.

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Fucking prick.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, I hate this guy and I'm sorry that I did this, but hey, Alex was out of studio

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because who knows what the fuck is going on.

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I hate that guy and I'm sorry he...

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He's completely bailed on his own career apparently.

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Yeah, that's fair.

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That's fair.

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So anyway, I hope Alex comes back because I'm not covering Harrison.

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The Dark Ages didn't work.

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Yeah.

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And now I'm thinking about watching a Hannity episode.

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What happens if Hannity turned into real good crazy?

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I remember Hannity when I was with my grandfather.

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He would listen to him on the radio and he was fucking nuts.

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Was this when he had that, Let freedom ring?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That song that was about domestic violence.

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Man, we are old and that was fine back then.

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Oh boy.

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Yeah.

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I remember those days too and I slot him in as kind of a boring guy.

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Yeah.

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But I mean, we're 20 years later.

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Yeah.

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Maybe he stepped up his game.

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Yeah, we'll see.

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That sucks.

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Oh well.

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Oh well.

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We'll see what we find for next time.

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But until then, we have a website.

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And do what we do at knowledgefight.com.

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Yep, we'll be back.

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But until then, I'm Neo, I'm Leo, I'm DZX Clark.

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I am the mysterious professor.

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Woo!

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Yeah!

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Woo!

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Yeah!

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Woo!

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And now here comes the sex robots.

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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.