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Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hello, hello, hello.
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Such a big hit, this new catchphrase intro.
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They have to bring it back.
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Do you even do it on purpose?
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I did this time, not the first time.
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Okay, okay.
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All right.
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I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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Hello, we are here, we're recording a little introduction
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for this episode because I have returned.
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You have returned triumphantly from the road.
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From the road, I was out for about a week.
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But we have an extra prerecorded episode
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that we made in anticipation of this going longer.
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Yep.
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And so I figure, hey, there's a war brewing
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and all that stuff.
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Sure.
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Why not go ahead and dump this episode for you folks?
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Yeah.
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So we can stay in the present day.
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There's a thing that we do, which is a problem,
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is that other people, and I know this,
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because I've been on shows, I've been on other shows.
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They're like, this'll come out in weeks.
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And I'm like, what are you fucking talking about?
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Tomorrow!
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You drop it tomorrow!
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Keep the ball in the air.
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Keep the plate spinning.
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So there is a big part of like,
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if we don't release this episode now,
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there's a good chance it's never coming out.
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That's my fear.
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That's exactly my fear.
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Is like, we're gonna put out an episode on Friday.
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Of course.
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It probably will have to do with Alex in the present day.
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Yep.
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You know, like, cause there's really serious-
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Shit's going on.
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Shit's going on.
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And so yeah, when would we ever put this out?
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We've got to put it out.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah.
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So-
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We have to put it out.
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Do you understand?
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Yeah.
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It's, there is no bank.
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There's no banking.
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No.
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So I'm back in Chicago.
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Indeed.
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Having seen the wonders of the world.
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I've tried new spices.
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Shit.
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Not really.
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This is, trying new spices in the like 1800s
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would have been mind blowing.
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That would have gotten you a fucking
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Royal commission to go back.
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How do I explain nutmeg?
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What is it?
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I'll tell you what, man.
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We're, we're doing a, we've got a new thing going on
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in our house, spice wise.
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What's that?
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We're doing gochujang sauce, my man.
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Oh, okay.
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We're all about it.
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I remember seeing that on a number of like weird
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food network shows and yeah, it feels like it was hot
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for a minute.
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Yeah.
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Like it was really, it really,
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they had some good publicists.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Now it's hot for forever in our house.
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Nice.
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Yeah.
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How would you describe it?
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A little bit spicy, a little bit savory, a little bit,
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it's one of those things-
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So like ketchup.
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It is, it is like, it hits all of those flavors
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or it hits all of the stuffs, you know?
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And you just hear like, yeah, it's good.
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I'm pretty sure I've had it before.
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Probably.
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Yeah.
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It's good.
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I'm glad, I'm glad you have a new spice.
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That's not a spice though, is it?
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No, it's not really a spice.
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It's a condiment.
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Yeah, that's fair.
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Yeah?
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Yeah, I mean, I don't know.
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I've not tried any new spices,
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but I had a delightful time going around and yeah,
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I intended, I think to maybe be gone a bit longer,
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but the lesson, you know, number of lessons learned,
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technical limitations of the way I planned to record.
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Sure.
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Maybe it wasn't gonna, maybe it wasn't,
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there were holes in the canoe.
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No plan survives getting punched in the mouth, my man.
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Exactly.
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That's how this works.
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Exactly.
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And I got punched in the mouth by Santa Claus and by-
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By Hitler, Santa Claus, that'll punch you in the mouth.
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And by sort of technological limitations.
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It was a great time and I'm gonna do it again,
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probably fairly soon.
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Yeah.
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But there was, I did have an experience
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that I wanted to share with you.
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And that is, I left Santa Claus
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and I went to a little town called Friendship.
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Right.
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And I had a couple of wonderful experiences
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on the way to Friendship.
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Okay, well that's nice.
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Yes.
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One was that I was going down a country road
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and I saw two dogs walking towards me
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on the other side of the road.
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Okay.
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They looked like they were talking.
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I can't tell I was in a car.
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Sure.
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I'm not sure if they were talking.
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You were on a spirit journey,
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so it's possible they could be the type of dogs
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that do speak.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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They looked like they knew what they were doing
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and they were doing it together.
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Sure.
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And I was going to Friendship and I saw these dogs
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and I thought, this is amazing.
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That's metaphor.
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There's not a house in sight.
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Nope.
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They don't seem lost or scared or anything.
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They were having their own homeward bound.
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And red fern growing ass people.
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Beautiful.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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So that got me in the spirit to go to Friendship.
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Absolutely.
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And then I end up having to stop for gas.
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And so I stop and there is an impulse buy stand
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with characters from the new Super Mario Galaxy.
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Sure.
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PEZ dispensers.
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Okay, all right.
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And there was a Donkey Kong.
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Wow, PEZ dispensers.
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I'll be damned.
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And so I kind of wanted to get a bunch of them
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because they're cool fun Mario characters.
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Sure.
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Donkey Kong is my best friend.
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He is.
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And so I thought, I'm going to Friendship.
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I'm getting a Donkey Kong PEZ dispenser.
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Done and done.
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Hooray.
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Yep.
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I get to Friendship.
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All right.
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And...
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No Donkey Kongs allowed in Friendship!
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It's a big sign right as you drive in.
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And no dog friends.
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Absolutely.
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All dogs must be solo.
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No dog friends.
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Solo dogs only.
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No, so it could have so easily been another Santa Claus
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where I made a mistake.
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Yes.
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But I didn't.
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I knew I was just going to pass through,
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say hello to Friendship,
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and be on my way.
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Because I'd learned the lesson of Santa Claus.
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So I get to town.
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Main drag of Friendship, Indiana.
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There's a big sign that says,
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Welcome to Friendship.
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And then it's folded up by the wind.
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But there's another part underneath that says,
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you look at it from the other side,
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it says, Come a stranger, leave a friend.
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Aww.
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I thought this is nice.
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So I decided to walk around a little bit.
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Go find the Welcome to Friendship sign
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so I could take a picture with Donkey Kong.
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And so that's nice.
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And I pass Friendship School.
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I'm like, there's a Friendship School.
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No, no good.
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What fun.
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There's a Friendship Insurance.
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You could get Friend Insurance.
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If someone's ever mean to you.
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You can get compensation.
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You're right.
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I would move out of any town named a thing.
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There's a Friendship Bank.
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Nope, I'm out.
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If I was born and raised in Friendship,
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I would wake up every day going,
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I can't wait until I get the fuck out of this place
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so people will stop saying the word Friendship to me.
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I was tickled by all of it.
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So I'm walking around.
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I'm seeing this.
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I'm charmed by the weirdness and quirkiness of it all.
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I take a turn on Friendship Street.
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I don't remember what the main street is,
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but there's another street, Friendship Street.
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I'm walking down it a little bit.
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And I see like, okay, down the road,
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there's not much.
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This isn't gonna be a long walk.
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But then I turn to the side and I see a house
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and on the porch there are two Sambo statues.
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That's less friendly.
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I look over to the other side
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and I see a Confederate flag in a window.
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Unfriendly.
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No, no, no, no, no.
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Very unfriendly.
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I got out of there.
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Friendship was ruined.
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It's so funny.
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I swear to you, it's so funny
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because after you said there were two Sambo statues,
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I was like, wait, are we saying that?
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It was weird to see.
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I bet.
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And the thing that it made me think of is like,
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some people just kinda suck.
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There's gonna be some suck people out there.
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But I think that this town kinda has a problem
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if the neighbors aren't upset about that.
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Because it was pretty in your face
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and there's no way this is ironic.
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Not that that would be okay.
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I mean, to be very slightly broad about it,
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the Confederate flag maybe represents
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a falling apart of friendship.
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The brother against brother, the lack of friendship.
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You're right.
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It symbolizes the fractures that are inherent
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within the possibility of friendship.
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Yeah.
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I think that the reason I wanted to tell you this story
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is because I think it characterizes a lot of
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some of my smaller town experiences.
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Oh, I thought you just wanted me to get rid of
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all of my Sambo statues.
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That too.
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Okay.
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It's like, I think there's a certain charm and a quirk
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to friendship school and friendship insurance.
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And all of a sudden, then you walk down the street
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and you see racism just in your fucking face.
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And it's not something that people,
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if I lived in that town, I would probably deface them
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or steal them and throw them out or something.
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People have just made peace with the fact that
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someone's got fucking racist statues on their porch.
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You're right.
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What I'm hearing is that what we need to do,
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what we should have done, right,
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we were doing the desegregation thing.
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We're going to big schools in Alabama.
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They're being like, ah, you can't get in here.
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And the other people are like, we gotta get in here.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Now imagine if we tried to solve segregation
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through novelty towns, right?
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Of course we're going to desegregate friendship school.
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Are you trying to stop us from
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desegregating friendship school?
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If there is a, what should be a slam dunk,
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it's desegregating friendship school.
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Desegregate friendship school.
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How do we not understand that?
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It has to be desegregated.
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If you're segregating friendship school,
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you're just out of your mind.
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Yeah.
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Right?
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Take that George Wallace.
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I don't want to say that my experience is largely
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that the world sucks more than I think it does.
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But there is a little bit of a trend
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of me coming into places like fairly optimistically
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and then seeing Nazi Santa
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and Confederate flags and friendship.
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It is the time.
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It is the time.
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It's disillusioning a little bit.
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Yeah.
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In a way that also kind of feels like,
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well, you should have known that.
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I feel a little silly that I didn't expect to find this.
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Right.
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I mean, I imagine that there would be
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a very different experience backpacking through Germany
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in like 1925 versus 1935.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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So yeah.
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All in all, it was a nice time
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and I wandered around, found things,
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had a good time in woods and I can't wait to go again.
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Perfect.
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For now I'm back and I have my memories of friendship.
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It is a wild juxtaposition.
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The freedom and joy you take in nature
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and in being outside and being present in the world.
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And also that you do what you do.
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It's true.
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This is crazy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, I think that the desolation and depressing
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kind of glimpse at humanity that Alex provides
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makes me yearn for something that is not that.
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Right.
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But then I also thought about something
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that is like a weird dynamic between you and I,
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which is I think that I never really wanna be home.
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Yeah.
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And I think you wanna be home.
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Yeah.
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Like I felt like it would be nice
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if I could just plan a bunch of shows
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and then have you on a screen.
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You could like zoom in for a live show.
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All right, all right.
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So you're saying that what you do
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is you're gonna go out on the road and just find places
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and you'll just stop and be like,
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hey, we're gonna barnstorm a show here tonight.
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I'm gonna go.
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You're gonna barnstorm it.
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I'm gonna go downtown in friendship and I'm gonna bark.
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I'm gonna try and get a crowd.
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You better believe it.
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And out flyers.
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You should music man it.
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You should get other people to join you
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walking through the parade.
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Yeah, but he was a con artist.
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I'm actually gonna do a show.
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Sure.
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But they might not like the show.
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Well.
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So I'm scamming them into thinking they might like it.
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Yeah, but I thought that would be like,
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we could come up with some sort of format
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where I'm just wandering around and I force you to zoom in.
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I can make up some excuse
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about how my legs simply no longer work.
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Yes.
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It's unfortunate.
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Somebody who really wants this to happen
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might break your legs.
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Yeah, that's true.
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I could become a floating torso,
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but then I would always be available.
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So this is something to think about.
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Something to kick around in the head.
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Possible.
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But yeah, for now I'm glad to have a little taste of that
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and know that more is coming down the road.
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Yeah, well I think I speak for everybody when I say,
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I feel great for you.
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I'm excited for you to get back out there.
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But for now, I'm glad to be back also
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and it's great to be here.
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Absolutely.
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And we'll be back with a normal ass episode.
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Ooh.
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So fucking normal.
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So normal.
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On Friday, but for now please enjoy
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this prerecorded 2006 episode.
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["Rideo"]
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Rideo, Rideo, Rideo, Rideo, Rideo, Rideo, Rideo.
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Rideo, Rideo, Rideo, Rideo.
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Knowledge Fight.
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Dan and Jordan, I am sweating.
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Knowledgefight.com.
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It's time to pray.
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I have great respect for Knowledge Fight.
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Knowledge Fight.
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I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys
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saying we are the bad guys.
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Knowledge Fight.
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Dan and Jordan.
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Knowledge Fight.
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Riddler, Riddler, Riddler.
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Need, need money.
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Riddler, Riddler, Riddler.
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Andy and Kamby.
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Andy and, stop it.
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Andy and Kam, Andy and Kansas.
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Andy and, Andy, it's time to pray.
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Andy and Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello Alex, I'm a Christian, calling in with your Japan.
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I love your work.
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Knowledge Fight.
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Knowledge Fight.
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Knowledge Fight.com.
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight.
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I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes who like to sit around,
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worship at the altar of Selene
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and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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I have a quick question for you.
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What's Bright Spot today, buddy?
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Well, I don't know if it's March.
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We're recording this in advance.
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I actually don't know if it's March.
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I don't know when this is gonna come out.
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I don't know if it's March.
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We don't know if it's March right now.
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It's typically March when we're recording.
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So in honor of that tradition,
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I'm gonna go ahead and go first.
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Okay, all right.
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And look, I don't wanna talk about Survivor.
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Okay, but you're going to talk about Survivor.
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Fucking promise, I don't wanna just talk about Survivor
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in these bright spots.
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But March is your Survivor month.
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Yeah, March Madness for the Island or something.
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Oh, that's not bad.
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No, it wasn't good.
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It was nothing.
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Yeah.
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Here's the thing.
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Yeah.
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I need to make a correction.
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Sure.
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And it is not about whether I've been too hard
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or too soft on Survivor.
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All right.
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It's that I realized something.
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Yes.
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You can't watch an episode of Survivor.
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It's not right of me to judge it week to week.
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Sure, sure, sure, sure, sure.
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There's a story that unfolds over the course of a season.
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Yeah.
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You can really only judge a season.
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Yeah.
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Well.
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And I think that my approach to this,
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like looking at it and being like,
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oh, look at this.
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I mean, don't get me wrong.
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Jeff rope strapping is unacceptable.
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And I'm not going to let him off the hook for that.
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Please don't.
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But looking at one episode and being like,
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oh, this is something dumb happened or.
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It's not fair.
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It's a book.
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I don't need, I can't judge one chapter of it.
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Yeah, evaluating chapter by chapter is usually no good.
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No good.
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On the other hand,
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part of that evaluating chapter by chapter
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is asking yourself the question,
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if you introduce a boomerang idol,
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do I care if it gets boomeranged?
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And if it doesn't, then I got to go.
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Yeah. But I, you know,
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thinking about it and worrying about it too much now
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isn't really productive.
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That's fair.
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We can judge that and we can assess it.
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We can talk about it in hindsight.
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Once the season is done.
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When it's come back to us.
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Yeah.
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And that's really what I want to say about myself.
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Okay.
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Call myself out for that.
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All right.
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I will always enjoy watching it.
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Even when the episodes are bad.
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Sure.
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Because I'm waiting to see what the season is.
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At the end of the season, I can say,
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that season kind of sucked.
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Or I can say that season was good,
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but it's not individual episodes.
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Not fair.
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I'm cutting myself off.
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The only way to judge a life is in totality, Dan.
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Right.
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You can't wait until it has to be finished
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before you can say the final word.
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Well,
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I mean, I guess Hitler had, yeah, nevermind.
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It doesn't have to be.
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It's not a hard and fast rule.
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Yeah.
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It's a loose guideline.
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Okay.
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So what's your bright spot, Hitler guy?
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My bright spot was, oh,
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yesterday, went out, my cousin and I
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played a little tennis for the first time this year.
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Nice.
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Yeah, it was good.
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What's your handicap?
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Real bad.
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Wait, does that exist in tennis or just golf?
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I think they have a rating system.
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I think they have a rating system where it's like,
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oh, I'm a four.
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You know how people do stuff like that.
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You and your cousin don't keep score, right?
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We play score.
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We keep score, but we don't keep score
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in the sense that I lose every time.
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Even if the score is good,
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the game tells you that I'm losing very hard.
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Sure.
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Yeah, so it's not a concern about the score.
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But you know, it's a thing about the doing.
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Yeah, no, it's fun.
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It's, boy, this is the first year that it's like,
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man, I am old because we went out for the first time
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and then today, my legs are jello.
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Just absolutely a mess down there.
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Can I say something that's meant to be reassuring
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but actually makes it worse?
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Sure.
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You were younger than you're ever gonna be again
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when you played that tennis match.
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That makes sense.
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You will only be older.
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That is true.
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Oof.
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Yeah, well, I mean, you know,
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you can only judge a life in its totality.
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Right.
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Like a season of Survivor.
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You're beaten up on some of these challenges.
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It does, you know, it does really hammer home like,
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ah, there's some stuff I wish I hadn't done
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when I was a younger boy.
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Yep.
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And I wonder like what kind of like breakthroughs
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in physiology will happen that'll make people,
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their bones and their muscles not deteriorate like ours are.
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Oh man, I'm rooting for exosuit.
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I'm rooting for exosuit hardcore.
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Well, I saw a white paper called Elysium.
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Ooh.
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Certainly.
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I'll take it.
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It has some exosuits.
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I will go full cyborg in a heartbeat.
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I am on record.
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Nice.
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Yeah.
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So Jordan.
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Yes.
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Today we have a episode to go over.
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All right.
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And it'll be in the past.
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Okay, okay.
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We're gonna be continuing on through March, 2006.
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Alex has just interviewed Charlie Sheen.
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Right.
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And also CNV for Vendetta, but not talked about it.
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Man, that is some,
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that is some fucking Chekhov's gun failures right there.
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Like that's brutal.
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We started back in our jaunt in 2006
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with a surprise about Slobodan Milosevic.
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Yep.
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And now we're in much deeper waters
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with Charlie Sheen and V for Vendetta.
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Weirdly enough.
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And scanner darkly.
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Yeah.
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All of these hanging threads are like,
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we need resolution.
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What a fucking Mad Libs ass time period.
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You know, like just all the words that you've said
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are insane in the same context.
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And yet somehow reassuring, kind of cozy.
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I mean, yeah.
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Weird.
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So we'll talk about Alex's time on March 21st, 2006.
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But before we do, let's take a little moment
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to say hello to some new wonks.
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Oh, that's a great idea.
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So first, from Cash By-law to any fellow former fans
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who may be out there, we are all love Blaze Ball.
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And to honor our hosts, we are from Chicago.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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Next, I dreamed I had to help Jordan with a complex heist
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to steal a Kurt Vonnegut book
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from a Games Done quick event
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while Dan did a speed run of Donkey Kong 64.
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And I don't know what this says about my psyche.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And the Murder Ant episode of MacGyver
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haunted my childhood nightmares so bad.
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Thanks for bringing back those terrifying memories.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And we had a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
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So thank you so much to I am a trauma therapist
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under supervision.
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And I ask all of my clients at the end of their session
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what their bright spot was.
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I want you guys to know that you're affecting lives
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that don't even listen to Knowledge Fight.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone, someone sodomized, sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser, little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much.
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Yes, thank you very much.
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That's very nice to hear, but it's hard to cold read.
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That is the struggle.
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Heartfelt messages are tougher in the cold.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Much easier to say something about me
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playing Donkey Kong 64 in your dreams.
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Yep.
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So we got some Charlie Sheen fallout going on.
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We got some Alex's basking in the rays.
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Of famous people being near him.
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Yep.
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But at the same time, he's also worried
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that Bush is about to attack Iran.
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President Bush had a press conference this morning.
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Bush defends decisions on Iraq war
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and says that it will be there at least through
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08 into the next administration.
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And he says, look past the bloodshed and see freedom.
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So I want to go over some of these nauseating
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points that he's made.
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And he also yesterday warned Israel,
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excuse me, and Freudian slip, warned Iran
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that if they don't do everything that Israel and others want,
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they're going to get attacked.
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And that if Israel does attack them,
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they better lie down and take it.
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If they fire back, that is just the ultimate evil.
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And America will have to attack them.
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Sounds good to me.
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Hey, we're going to attack you.
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You're going to lay there and tag you.
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You understand? Good.
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So the ultimate evil thing that the globalists and Bush,
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the thing that was going to be Bush's next step
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after the Iraq war is the thing that Trump
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is doing in the present.
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Yeah.
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That's fun.
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Yeah.
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This one's, this one was, I've been,
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I've been really dreading,
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really having to relive exactly how stupid things were.
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And this really is like a good jumping off point for like,
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this is how stupid things were then.
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And now it's dumber.
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It's dumber than that.
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We have not learned.
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It is way dumber.
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It is way dumber.
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It is a, it is a, it's a,
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it's like a slap in the face of the concept
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of learning itself.
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Everything since you were a child was like,
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you're going to gradually improve at something
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just by virtue of redoing it over time.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. That's not true.
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No. Well, well it's true in some things,
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but apparently not in all.
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And this isn't like a, oh kids these days,
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kind of like old people grumbling about how,
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how everything's stupider now.
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It's us.
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We are them.
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Yes.
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We're not like all these young kids.
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We're like, we're, it's us.
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Yes.
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The call is coming from inside my brain.
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My grandpa was right.
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We shouldn't have watched Jackass.
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We shouldn't have.
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We shouldn't have.
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So I think that, you know, obviously things are stupid now,
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but like you're saying, things are stupid in 2006 too.
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Like Alex's mix of headlines.
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One I didn't get into yesterday,
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China bans weird baby names.
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That's the incredible freedom of our good economic buddy.
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That's deindustrializing us, but Iran's the threat.
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Not, not China.
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China's just, just wonderful.
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They're good people.
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But that Iraq death squads on the prowl,
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Iraq convulsed by fear.
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And of course now it's been confirmed by Iraqi police.
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Such a mix of subjects.
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We got Iraqi death squads and China's banning weird names.
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And yet, and yet the tone of those makes it sound
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as though the weird baby names thing,
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that's the real threat here.
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Well, yeah, I think it's an easier story to cover.
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Well, there's definitely that.
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That you can just tee off on that one.
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What's a weird name?
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What is a weird name?
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All your names are weird to me.
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I'm from Texas.
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Yeah.
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So you know, you got these,
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these kinds of plates that are spinning.
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We got Bush is threatening Iran.
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China's threatening weird names.
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Iraqi death squads are threatening everybody.
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The three most dangerous things in 2006.
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But really more what's going on is that Alex is like,
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I fucking did it.
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I interviewed Charlie Sheen.
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And he's a great man.
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And the neo-cons really just don't like him
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cause he's not gay.
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Our Charlie Sheen interview has been of course posted
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all over the internet, blogs, forums everywhere.
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And all these neo-cons,
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the tiny little gun grabbing anti-American minority they are
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are the ultra Soviet minority they are,
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are seeing little threatening, little mean emails
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about, oh, Charlie Sheen, look, you know,
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he had trouble with women and drugs in the past,
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back in the nineties.
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So how dare him have any right to say anything?
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Your president is a DWI admitted coke head
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who kisses on and hugs on male prostitutes
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inside the press briefing room in front of everyone.
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And you all ignore it.
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He knows he can just do it in front of everybody.
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And they admittedly bust in gay porn stars.
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So, you know, at least Charlie Sheen back in the nineties,
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you know, it was a women.
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And, you know, and he doesn't do that anymore.
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He's a homebody now.
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And listen, I talked to the guy, I was impressed.
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He knows all about 9-11, he's been listening to the show
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for years and we had him on because it exposes 9-11.
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And I can't wait to write a response to these nut jobs.
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I mean, you guys are really pathetic.
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I know Jeff Gannon and, you know, all those other people.
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I'm not just talking about Jeff Gannon,
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you know, he was in the New York Post
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and others have reported the San Francisco Chronicle
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that literal jets land with $5,000 a day male prostitutes
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from all over America and Europe to go in there
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with your Christian conservative leaders
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and enjoy themselves.
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I mean, it makes a Brokeback Mountain look like a,
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Tiddlywinks.
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I can't wait to write a response to this.
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Wait, wait, wait, wait.
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I mean, you guys are just unbelievable.
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Oh, and you're so Christian.
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You know, look at who Christ was out there working with.
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Look at who he was reforming.
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Look at who he was.
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You guys need to get the sticks out of your own eyes.
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Now, now maybe you'd like Sheen if it was men.
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I understand you're good Republicans.
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And I understand basically who runs the Republican party,
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drugs and all that crew.
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I mean, believe me, I fully understand.
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And so you're mad that Charlie likes girls.
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And it upsets you.
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It's very upsetting to you.
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Of course, this is my audience.
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It is even the neo-cons that are emailing me.
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I've just got to write all this up.
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You guys cannot deal with reality.
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You can't deal with anything.
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Go drink your Jack Daniels and you're good
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and everything's fine.
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Charlie Sheen doesn't even drink now.
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He has a teetotaler.
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Yeah.
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Well.
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Who knows?
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That makes you think of that Tim Pool moment.
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He's drinking tea now.
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He's drinking Topo Chico now.
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Now.
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Charlie Sheen might be sober now.
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Now.
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Very important.
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So recently he put out a memoir.
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Charlie Sheen did.
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Oh yeah, that's right.
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He did it, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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And in interviews, he very famously talked about
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how he flipped the menu.
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He did.
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And had sex with men.
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Yes.
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So I don't, it's so funny for Alex to be like,
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at least he likes women.
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I mean.
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At least he's not gay like you Republicans.
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What a.
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And yeah, he was Charlie's open-minded fellow.
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What a wild series of criticisms
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to think that they are criticism.
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You know what I'm saying?
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Like, he thinks those are critiques
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as opposed to just saying homophobic things at a wall.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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No, not to a wall.
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To his imagination of the people who are emailing him.
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Right, right, right, right.
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He's using his radio show to respond to these emails
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that may or may not exist.
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Which is a very healthy attitude.
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You know, if I see that and I say,
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what if that man had access to social media?
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I think he's gonna do great with it.
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Yeah, yeah, he's not gonna follow in holes.
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I think he's gonna be really responsible about it too.
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Yeah.
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So, Alex is largely just kind of, you know,
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like A, I am cool.
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I interviewed famous, specifically heterosexual man,
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Charlie Sheen.
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Very much so.
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And the neo-cons of the New World Order
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are just really upset.
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And I think all of you New World Order people are cowards.
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Nope.
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They love it.
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I've had neo-cons say, I wanna take a chip.
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I want one to prove I'm good.
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They wanna put all the Arabs in camps,
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all the Muslims in camps.
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They wanna live in a police state,
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cause they're cowards.
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Because deep down they know the New World Order's
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coming down, so they've made a psychological decision
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to rationalize everything.
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But Alex believes that a New World Order is coming down too.
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He just thinks that it could be a different New World Order.
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Yeah.
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This doesn't match.
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That, that.
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When I talk about in 2026 him saying,
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like we're having a new New World Order.
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This is part of the reason why it doesn't work for him.
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This is part of his history.
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That clip sounds like a bullet fired from the past.
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That is like, what else do you need to hear man?
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Come on buddy, listen to yourself.
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Listen to yourself, call yourself a coward.
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Yeah, listen to yourself.
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This is you talking to you.
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Yeah.
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So we get back to the subject of Charlie Sheen
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and his sexual proclivities.
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Sure, which is absolutely great.
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That's scary.
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And they can't even admit that to themselves.
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They're not going to admit homosexual prostitutes
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in the White House past midnight 50 something times
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with other male prostitutes with them.
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These aren't male prostitutes for the women, boys and girls.
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This is for the neo-cons, those disgusting fat old men
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in there, or little twerply men doing all the things they do.
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2006, huh?
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How about it?
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I'm sick.
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It makes me want to throw up.
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And you know, I'm not saying the things Charlie Sheen's done
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is good, but my gosh, being 25 years old,
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like in racy women, if that's the case, then King David,
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a man after God's own heart's in deep trouble.
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He had people killed for their women in God forgave him.
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But you can't forgive Charlie Sheen, can you?
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Wait.
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Last time I checked, he isn't killing people for their women.
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He just likes them.
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And what hypocrites are you out there to tell yourselves
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is because you've never acted on impulses,
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and that's good that you don't like women?
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Come on, man.
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He likes women.
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I am feeling very confused.
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Well, let me help if you have any questions.
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All right.
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So I feel like a ranking is being made here, right?
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Number one, Jesus without sin.
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Obviously, that's tops.
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Number two, fucking a lady under inauspicious circumstances
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illegally.
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Are we talking about a racy lady?
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I think that's what we're talking about.
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Number two, number three, I believe, murdering
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men to steal their women.
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So we're talking King David is below Charlie Sheen.
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And then number four is just being attracted to a man
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in some form or fashion.
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That is certainly less forgivable for Alex.
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It feels like that's where we're at right here.
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Yeah.
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And I think that with David, with King David,
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an essential piece of his story is the repentance.
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Yeah, that is pretty important.
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God would not have thought of him after his own heart
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if he had done all that shit and then been like,
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I also have tiger blood, and I'm winning.
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Yeah.
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You know, that would be a problem for God.
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Well, I mean, it's also helpful for us,
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for everybody who knew David and David himself to be dead.
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Right, then we don't have to bring
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any of our own complicated moral baggage to it at all.
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Like that guy, it's too late for me to care now.
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Yeah, right.
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David's sitcom was terrible.
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That wasn't very good.
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They said he was a good singer.
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Couldn't talk for shit.
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Yeah, I think that there is just something going on
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where Alex is just like, look, yeah, he's bad,
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but he talked to me and he's not gay.
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Yep, that is exactly.
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I mean, it is amazing.
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Low bar.
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It is so hard to like really, and I
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think it happens to everybody.
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It happens to every generation.
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It happens to everybody.
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It is so hard to remember some of the most banal things.
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But the worst part of remembering banal things
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is when banal things were exactly how
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homophobic everyone was.
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Like it's hard to remember because it wasn't
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exciting or new or in anything.
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It was so boring and banal how everybody was just like,
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oh, being gay is wrong all the time.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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And I think that it's not what Alex wants
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to present as was normal then.
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Right.
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These are like the things that he could get away with
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and were normal of the time.
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And now he wants to be like, hey, if people are gay,
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I'm totally fine with it.
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I'm totally cool with it.
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No big deal.
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What you do in your bedroom is your own business.
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Right.
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And that's not the case.
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That's never been his perspective.
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It's just that social progress made it to a certain point
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where it was no longer acceptable for him
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to act like this without being accurately labeled
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as the hateful person that he is.
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Yeah.
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And it is like this is judged and it should be judged.
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And it's also like, but at the time,
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you have to remember that Obama got elected
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and they were like, hey, should gay people be married?
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And he's like, ah, I'm thinking about it.
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Right.
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I'm thinking about it.
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Right.
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It was the air that we all breathed in.
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And we all like, culture all felt
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like that was what was normal.
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And I think that you can look back
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at people and their actions.
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And have criticisms of them.
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Sure.
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But if they've changed, it also that makes things different.
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Absolutely.
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And Alex hasn't changed.
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Exactly.
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Except for hiding these beliefs behind even worse ones.
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Yup.
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So that's the real problem.
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Yeah.
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He's the view by which we can judge the past.
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But he himself is a piece of shit throughout all time.
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Yes.
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The platonic ideal of a piece of shit.
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Yeah.
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So Alex, I think one of the real strong feelings
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he has this day is he did not get enough attention
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for the Charlie Sheen interview.
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He wanted more.
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Oh, yeah.
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It should have been bigger.
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I get a call from Charlie last week.
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Check, it is Charlie Sheen.
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Talk to him three or four times, sometimes an hour and a half
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at a time.
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He wants to come on.
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He wants to stand up.
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The only place he felt safe, he said, to come out and speak.
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Where he wouldn't be taken out of context.
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And I said, Charlie, you're so on target with this
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that there's a good chance they'll ignore it.
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Because it'll be so mainline and the facts you lay out
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will be so documented that they can't attack you.
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This isn't something dirty to say about you.
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I predicted that there'd be a predominant blackout
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in the mainstream media on this.
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And other people are like, oh, no way, man.
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I mean, if a Hollywood person falls off their bicycle,
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especially Charlie Sheen, I said, just watch.
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And then we get a call from AP.
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We're talking to them.
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They're going to do a story.
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We're hiding the interview.
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Nothing happens.
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We call AP out in LA, talk to their head guy out there.
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Jeff Williams, I believe is the name,
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left the notes at the home office.
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Should have brought those with me.
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Yeah, it's Jeff Williams.
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And he's just, well, yeah, Alex, what do you want?
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Just real tough guy.
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You got that whole MO about him.
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Wonder if he's seen some tours of Southeast Asia.
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I wonder what he's been up to.
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But important to see him there at AP in Los Angeles
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over the propaganda bureau.
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Seemed like an experienced fellow.
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And I'm like, yeah, you guys aren't going to run this story?
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And he goes, no, we're not.
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I know all about Charlie Sheen.
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I personally don't care what he says.
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I go, oh, but is it newsworthy, Mr. Williams?
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Your very office, your very AP office
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put out the Santana story.
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Carlos Santana just with a milqueto statement,
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I said a tame statement about he disagrees with the war
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and that he's into peace and love, a different philosophy
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than Bush.
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He said, oh, whatever.
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And I said, well, I need to quote you on this.
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Are you saying this isn't newsworthy?
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And he said, we're not going to run anything.
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And I said, is it newsworthy to have Charlie Sheen saying
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Bush is arrogant?
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Wouldn't you normally run that if it wasn't attached
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to all this 9-11 information?
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And he said, you're not going to bait me and slam the phone
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down.
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You're not going to bait me, cling.
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And then I called back and woman answered, she's like,
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they must have odd x or phone numbers.
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She's like, yes.
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And I go, what's your name?
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I'm Alex Jones.
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She goes, I'm not going to talk to you.
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I'll send you back to Mr. Williams.
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And I'm like, don't you think this is newsworthy?
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Don't you think Charlie Sheen is newsworthy?
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I mean, regardless of what you think of him personally,
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isn't this newsworthy?
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And she hung up.
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And I said, all right, baby.
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My wife is sitting by me at her terminal.
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I said, I'm going to call The Hollywood Reporter.
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So what's going on here is that Alex
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doesn't understand how entertainment reporting works.
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Celebrities, particularly ones who
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do a lot of live performances, say a ton of crazy shit.
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And media outlets aren't going to just report on all of it.
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Some things get recorded.
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And they're just inevitable to become public conversations,
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like when Michael Richards had his racist meltdown
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at the Laugh Factory.
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There's no way to get around that getting talked about.
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But other stuff, what you might call more marginal comments,
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generally get reported on or not based on publicists.
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On its own, Charlie Sheen said something weird.
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That isn't a story that's going to sell itself to an outlet.
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And Charlie's publicity team isn't
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going to get behind promoting his appearance on Alex's show.
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Conversely, Santana's reps are obviously doing their job
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and helping push the story about him being anti-Bush,
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because that's his brand.
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And this is a puff piece kind of thing
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in the entertainment papers.
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Entertainment news isn't the same as news news.
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And unfortunately, Alex doesn't really
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understand how either works.
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Charlie Sheen being on Infowars and saying
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that he doesn't trust the mainstream narrative about 9-11
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isn't newsworthy in terms of the real world
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or what you'd put in the main sections of the newspaper.
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It arguably could be newsworthy for places like TMZ
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that do celebrity gossip.
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But the problem is that at this point in 2006,
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Charlie's on a top-rated network sitcom.
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And his reps are interested in keeping things that way.
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He's a guy with a rocky, troubled past
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who the tabloids love talking about.
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So if anything, there's a good chance
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that Charlie's publicity team is working against Alex
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in terms of trying to keep this interview lower profile.
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Alex's phone call stories, those aren't true.
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But they do depict something that is real, which
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is that he's a bad publicist.
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Yep.
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He doesn't understand.
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I mean, I get that he's a psycho, right?
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So he doesn't understand this.
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But to me, if I'm at all personally speaking
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to Charlie Sheen, Charlie Sheen himself saying something
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along the lines of, I would like it
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so people didn't take me out of context and all of this stuff,
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right?
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To then shop around that he was on your show to other places
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to try and get them to literally take him out of context.
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Yeah, so I called The Hollywood Reporter.
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Right, exactly.
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How are you not selling out your friend?
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This is exactly the same sort of behavior
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as after Charlie had his freak out five years later,
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Alex going on The View, doing the media rounds
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that he could do in order to associate himself.
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I can sell this.
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Yes.
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He's a bad person.
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He's a bad person.
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He's being homophobic abstractly and then also just trying
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to exploit this person.
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Yeah, I mean, in a way, there's something of a morality
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play to his entire life.
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Everything he does is something of a Punch and Judy show
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where it's like at the end of it, kids should go,
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and now we don't do that, right?
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That's how this goes.
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You treat your friends better than that.
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Yeah.
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God, it just doesn't, you know, the consequences
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aren't automatic, it turns out.
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No, that's the problem.
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That's the problem with, you know,
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we're capable of thought, but animals learn
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by very quick consequences.
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Yeah.
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And I think that everyone is so wrapped up in appearances,
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especially these days now.
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Sure.
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And even, I say these days, extending a ways back.
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Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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People were really caught up in the idea
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of what they thought Alex was.
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And they got bit by treating him like he was that,
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as opposed to what he actually is.
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Yep.
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And that, I think, is one of the large themes of the Charlie
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Sheen and Alex play.
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You know, to bring it back to Alex's territory,
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it's almost like that by the fruits of their actions,
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and not the way it looks.
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Right.
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You know?
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Maybe, I don't know if somebody said something
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about that a while back.
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William Shpekspere.
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William Shpekspere.
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How did he pronounce it?
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Shakes, there's a Shakespeare mispronunciation
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that I can't remember now.
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Anyway, no one cares about this Charlie Sheen interview
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and it's bumming Alex out.
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Yeah.
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It's just such an illustration of what we face
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and what we deal with.
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And that's why it's up to you to spread the word
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on the stories we put out.
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If you don't do it, nobody will.
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If you don't report, no one will.
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It is so vitally important that you report,
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that you get the word out, that you email your friends,
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that you email your family, that you call the Associated Press
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all over this country, every office,
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that you got one in your town, it's a good sized city.
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And you call them and you say, hey.
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And most of these people are nice.
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Most of them are on some government payroll.
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And say, isn't that newsworthy that Charlie Sheen is,
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especially Charlie Sheen.
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But see, everything he said was so credible.
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See, it's very transparent, the message that Alex has here,
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that is no one's interested in the story
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that I'm trying to push.
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So I need you to make it marketable.
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I need you to be my street team, push everything out,
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get me publicity, create the appearance of demand
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so these papers will publish a story about him
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being on my show.
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And I think if people could see through that back then,
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it would have solved us a lot of headache.
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Yeah, it's tough.
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It's tough because sometimes you're like,
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oh, gatekeepers shouldn't have control over things.
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But then other times you're like,
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maybe I'm just a piece of shit trying to trick
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a bunch of people into calling a newspaper.
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Yeah, I think gatekeepers get a bad rap.
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On one hand, on the other hand, they don't.
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Right, the danger of being a gatekeeper.
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Yeah, I think some gatekeeper,
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I especially think, maybe in terms of entertainment
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gossip news, maybe that's fine if there's a gate there.
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Maybe we need a bigger gate around all of it.
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Maybe entertainment gossip news needs a gigantic gate.
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Maybe it was always stupid.
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I don't know.
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No, listen, we could never engage with the thought
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maybe it was always stupid.
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Then it goes out of control.
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So a lot of this episode, I'll be honest,
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not really worth listening to
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because it is just repeating Alex's feelings
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about how he should be cooler for talking to Charlie Sheen.
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And then also there's a lot of, there's calls.
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That's the other part of the show.
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Right, right, right.
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He takes calls.
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Calls about how he should be more famous
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for talking to Charlie Sheen.
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Some of them.
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And then some of them kind of go off the rails a little bit.
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All right.
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All right.
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Chris in New Hampshire, you're on the air, go ahead.
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Yeah, you're on fire today, Alex.
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I just wanna say thank you very much.
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And on back a like a check on by the,
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Tom buyer, Tom buyer, what?
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That's funny, sir.
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And that's, I'm not quite sure what that means.
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Oh, pardon me?
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What does that mean?
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Let him go, let him go.
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So many people have been,
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I don't know if he's been destroyed psychologically,
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but the people I talk to are either awake
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or it's just giggling everything.
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And then act a fool and somehow everything will be all right.
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And maybe that's the response.
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Maybe that's good, sir.
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I don't know exactly what that guy was doing,
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but I believe he was saying Om Shanti,
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which is like a prayer to Shanti of like a peace.
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Yeah, he's doing a thing.
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I think.
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It's not the youth, their minds being destroyed.
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It's a cultural thing that Alex is,
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I think he thinks someone speaking like Hindi is a demon.
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That's what I was thinking.
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He's trying to process what the world,
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cause obviously the world is not this,
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but what if Alex's points of view
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were the only two available to you?
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The mind is destroyed of the youth,
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which means that this is the type of behavior
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that comes from destroyed minds, right?
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Which means I should be seeing something like this
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a lot more if the entire youth has had their mind destroyed.
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They're all going around praying to Shanti.
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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I don't see that very often at all, right?
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The other option is that they're just giggling
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at everything.
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I wasn't giggling.
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Which I don't even know if that's, is that a thing?
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Is that a character trait?
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Demons love to laugh.
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They just, ah, they just having a grand old time.
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So why are you mad?
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And why are you so insistent that comedy be illegal?
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If demons are all out there giggling.
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That's a good point.
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Then if comedy is legal and everybody can make jokes,
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it'd be so much harder to tell the difference
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between demons and humans.
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Did we ever get to the bottom of whether or not
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the devil invented comedy?
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Was this on the table?
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I thought that was the first question.
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Like where does God come from second?
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Is it the devil who gave us comedy?
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I hate to say this as someone who likes to be funny.
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And I think, you know, I'd spent a lot of time doing comedy.
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I think in God's perfect world.
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No comedy?
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It's not necessary.
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A lot of comedy has to do with observations
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and things that are weird and not how they should be.
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Like I don't think in heaven that would exist.
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I mean, the argument could be made that comedy
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is in and of itself, a form of processing suffering
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and that therefore, should there be no suffering,
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there would be nothing funny to exist.
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So I do think that you could make an argument
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that comedy is of the devil.
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I think we have to admit it right now.
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All comedians are Satanists.
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Yep. Nope.
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Rogan.
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Just Rogan.
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Just fucking Rogan.
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Yeah, no, I don't know.
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I think that this conversation is dumb
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and fun on one level,
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but certainly not prescriptive of anything.
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I mean, it wasn't as elucidating as maybe that call was.
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No. No.
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I liked it.
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I kind of did too.
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Whenever I'm listening to these episodes,
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something like that really breaks things up.
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So Alex takes another call
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and this guy is trying to justify why it's cool
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that Alex uses celebrity to get his message across.
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Good.
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At the end of the day, I mean,
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the elite love using celebrities like Bon Jovi
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and the Sugar Babes, you know,
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when they're chilling for globalism.
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Oh yeah, they've sold us.
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They've sold us that that's all that matters.
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But then they try to switch gears and say,
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when one of these people gets out of line,
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they go, no, no, it doesn't matter.
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They try to slap them back down.
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That's exactly right.
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It's total hypocrisy.
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I mean, somebody like Charlie Jean,
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he was very informed of it.
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I had no idea he knew that much, to be honest.
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Oh, he knows a lot more than what you heard.
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So this caller's point kind of reveals the shallowness
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of Alex's philosophy
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because he's willing to give up on a good point.
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They have a good point that celebrities are used
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to promote causes that they may or may not
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actually care about themselves.
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Pretending that a celebrity endorsing something
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or promoting a cause,
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automatically giving that thing credibility,
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pretending that's the case is dumb.
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And Alex is right when he criticizes that.
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Climate change isn't a cause worth caring about
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because Bono says it is.
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It's just a worthy cause,
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regardless of who's giving the message.
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Bono may be totally sincere in his convictions,
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but that really doesn't matter that much.
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He's using the star power that he gained from U2
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and directing it towards a social cause,
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which Alex isn't supposed to like.
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And he's very clear that he does not like.
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The way they're dealing with the Charlie Sheen interview
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and the way this caller is approaching the subject
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has a tendency to reveal that they aren't actually upset
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about celebrities preaching about stuff
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they have no business lecturing the public on.
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It's just conditional.
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If Bono was saying that we needed to shut down
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all immigration, they'd hail him as a hero.
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This makes it too clear that when they complain
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about how our culture is too caught up in celebrity worship,
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their criticism isn't that.
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They're ready and willing to use celebrities
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in exactly the same way when the celebrity is saying
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what they want them to.
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Why are we listening to Bono is a compelling argument
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for a guy like Alex to make.
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But if you pay attention and understand
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what Alex is actually saying,
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he's really just complaining that more famous people
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don't agree with him.
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And he's forced to pretend lunatics like Ted Nugent
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and Mel Gibson's dad are relevant celebrities.
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And Charlie Sheen is the best he could do, I guess.
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But that's what it, that's,
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he's mad that celebrity culture doesn't bend
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in his direction.
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Yeah, it is interesting to, because obviously you can look
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at that as a good faith talk about celebrity culture,
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but it feels like what he's really saying is that
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I'm the only real celebrity, right?
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So the only celebrity culture that matters to me
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is whenever people tell me how much I'm great,
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how great I am.
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Everything is an extension of how great I am.
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So if-
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My definition of celebrity is being in sync
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with the thing that I am.
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Right, right, right.
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My definition of celebrity is seeing myself
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reflected in bigger lights.
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Well, yeah, that's, it's not true that that's the only
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barometer because Charlie Sheen is also famous.
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Sure, sure, sure.
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You also need the person to be famous.
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Right, right, right, right.
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No, but that's what makes him a celebrity, right?
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If the celebrity agrees with him, he is the celebrity.
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That's how his brain works.
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He can't process that.
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And if a celebrity disagrees with him,
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then he is not a celebrity anymore.
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Well, sort of, but I think more accurately,
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it's if there is a celebrity who says the same shit
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that Alex says, he's a free thinker,
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and he has a point of view and insight
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and he's done his research.
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Because I like me.
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If there is a celebrity who says something different,
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they're a brainwashed stooge of the Illuminati
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who are just using celebrities to push their message.
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Because I don't like not me.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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That's more what it is.
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There's a credibility that comes with,
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you believe the exact same thing that I do.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Whereas you should just reject all of it
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as like celebrity.
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Yeah, maybe.
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It's meaningless.
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Maybe what they're into is a good message.
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Maybe it's not.
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Yeah.
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Who cares about them?
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Just reject all celebrity shit
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and you have a lot firmer ground to stand on.
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That's all.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's almost like how people talk about their dogs.
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When you're talking about your dog,
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a lot of the times you're really talking about yourself.
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Sure.
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When you're talking about celebrities,
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you're complaining about yourself.
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Yeah, you're complaining about the mirror
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that you see from that culture.
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Yeah.
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So we get another caller.
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All right.
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This guy brings up a rather unfortunate point.
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Shanti?
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Hi, Alex.
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Nobody deserves more commendation than you, Alex.
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You're the guy risking everything every day.
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With respect to Charlie Sheen, I am curious though,
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weren't they Clinton supporters?
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Yes, but I've talked to,
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Charlie really wasn't political then
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and he's a god owner and he's more conservative
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than his father, I would venture to say.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Cool.
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I mean, obviously more conservative than Martin Sheen.
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Sure, sure.
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Martin Sheen's pretty progressive, eh, liberal, whatever.
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Whatever you like.
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He's a lifelong Democrat.
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Yeah.
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I do think that this caller has a relevant concern.
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Sure.
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And Alex hand waves it.
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Yeah.
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And the guy accepts that.
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Yeah.
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Hey, doesn't this guy represent the things
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that we don't represent and think are actively evil?
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On the other hand, he's famous.
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Fair enough.
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That's a good point.
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I guess we'll move on.
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The proceedings can continue.
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Yep.
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So Alex interviews a guy who's a beef guy.
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He's just a beef guy?
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He's a beef guy.
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He's just a guy.
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From Texas, Missouri.
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He's a beef man.
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He's a beef man from the two beefiest state names
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that you can have.
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Definitely.
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Well, yeah, yeah.
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But Texas is a city in Missouri.
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Right, right, I understand that.
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I got that.
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As Missourians, we do that a lot.
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We steal names for cities.
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But yeah, he's a-
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Too creative of the people from Missouri.
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He loves beef.
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Yep.
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He's a cattleman.
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Yep.
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He ends up running unsuccessfully
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in a Republican congressional primary later down the road.
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But he has no political aspirations at this point.
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He just loves beef.
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Just fucking loves that shit.
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And his interview is dull.
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Yeah.
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He's not gonna talk about it.
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Yeah.
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Because he just loves beef.
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Of course it's dull.
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Yeah, beef.
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Does he like beef?
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Loves it.
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Okay, well then I think we've got everything
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we need to know.
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Next question, your honor.
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What's for dinner?
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I'm gonna go with chicken.
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No.
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Oh.
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Beef.
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It's what's for dinner.
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That was the fucking slogan.
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I had never heard that slogan before.
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What?
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I'm just fucking-
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Where's the beef?
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So Alex does have another interview on this episode.
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Sure.
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With his water filter sponsor.
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You're getting what distributors who buy hundreds
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are getting them for.
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Okay?
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They do that because they believe in the program.
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They're patriots.
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They are against the New World Order.
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Jim Shepherd is a great Christian man, the owner.
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And with the Iran situation coming up,
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when is this a better time?
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And when is there a better time?
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With Israel saying they may attack them any minute
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and Bush saying they're gonna back them up
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and Iran's somewhere to destroy you.
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I mean, look, scaring you gets you to buy filters, fine.
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I'm telling you that's not even a threat.
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The threat is what is already in your water.
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Yeah, a little too clear there.
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Hey, scaring you to buy water filters, it works.
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It works.
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Why wouldn't I do it?
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Look, it's what you should do anyway,
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but yeah, I'm scaring you into buying this.
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I believe that you should do it anyway,
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but I'm not above using scary tactics.
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I know what's best for you.
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And if you won't choose it just because of a good argument,
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I will lie and cheat and trick you.
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And I will tell you that what I believe is best for you
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tends to be what people are paying me to sell you.
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It is crazy how that works.
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Yeah.
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It is crazy.
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But that's just a coincidence.
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It is.
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It is just pure happenstance
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that those two things occur at the same time.
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It's just a representation of how Alex
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will only make money off things that actually help you.
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Much like, you know, it's fucking weird,
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but everything Trump does is in America's best interest.
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It is crazy how it works.
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Yeah.
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It is.
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But it's good for us that our interests align.
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Cause I mean, from what I've seen,
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people whose interests don't align with him,
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not having a good time right now.
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There's some troubles.
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Yeah.
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So this interview is a dud
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because this lady that he's interviewing
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is the person who like answers the calls
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at Big Berkey or whatever.
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So not necessarily a super like on air talent.
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Right, right, right.
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Certainly a drop off from Charlie Sheen.
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Sure.
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But there's one thing that I know Alex has always said
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that Big Berkey, the filters, what they do.
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And that is take fluoride out of the water.
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Oh my God.
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Unfortunately.
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You are joking.
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He brings that up and she has to correct him.
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You are joking.
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They do not.
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Mother fucker.
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Does my memory serve me?
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Your regular filtration gets 80 plus percent out.
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And then when you add the post filter, only 99%?
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It takes out about 99%.
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The actual Black Berkey filters
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don't take any of the fluoride out Alex.
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It's just with the, you need to have the post filter.
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Okay. So is it the white ones that do that?
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Remember reading the literature.
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No, it was a long time ago.
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We had the very first set of filters.
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We tried doing a formulation where the filters
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did take out some of the fluoride with the black filters.
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But unfortunately.
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Oh, it was too slow.
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Too slow.
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It was so slow and people would have had to replace
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the filters so quickly.
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It would have been very costly.
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So people understand this, what we're talking about.
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Everybody knows about spring water being so good
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or digged out in these caves.
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That's because it's gone through the limestone.
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That's correct.
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And this was invented in England.
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Great.
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So the post filter gets rid of the fluoride
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and the water, the filters themselves don't do that.
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Right.
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So Alex's in theory sold so many people water filters
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under the premise that it gets rid of fluoride
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and they're just drinking as much fluoride.
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They never would have even known
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because it's solving a non-existent problem
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for I would say almost, if not all of them.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, so great.
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Yeah, here's what's interesting about it, right?
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This is what's interesting to me about this
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is statistically or inevitably, right?
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We know some people are going to get scammed.
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If there is going to be a scam,
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this is the type that you would prefer,
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which is a scam where it's like, hey, you got scammed,
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but there's no negative consequences really
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other than you're talking to this guy, right?
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Yeah, he's profiting,
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but maybe it's fine to have a water filter.
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Maybe you get a marginal benefit.
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You probably didn't get your money's worth, obviously.
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Assumably it didn't put lead into your water.
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Exactly.
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So like, sure.
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Right, this is what I'm saying.
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This is like the twin scams we've got going on right now.
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I'm fine with people getting scammed for no consequences,
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but then they get scammed by somebody like Trump
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and it's like, ah, see,
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that's the scam that we all get fucked on.
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Yeah, there's severe consequences to that.
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Whereas making people,
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like you probably ruin individual lives
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in ways that we tragically never hear about
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with like making people think they need to get gold
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because the dollar is going to collapse
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and get all these water filters
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because you're poisoning yourself
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with the water and the fluoride.
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There's probably a great deal of people
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who have been harmed,
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their children had to live with the consequences of that.
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And so it's not that there is no victim,
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but it's societally somewhat more manageable
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than the harm that the Trump scam does.
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There's a lot more fucking,
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what is it?
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Shrapnel damage.
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Yeah.
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There's a lot more shrapnel damage.
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And sometimes if you grow up and you're,
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maybe your parent came to some of these brain tendencies.
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Maybe you grow up and you write an amazing novel.
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It's always possible.
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Right?
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It's always possible.
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Some people can get out.
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They can escape.
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Some people can, yeah.
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The consequences and the shrapnel
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that you're talking about.
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Right.
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But with Trump, it's far, far less escapeable.
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No, no good.
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So anyway, it's funny that his filters
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don't take out fluoride when that's the biggest sales pitch
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that he makes constantly.
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It is so infuriating.
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And I think the difference that you see here
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is that she knows she would probably get fired and or sued
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if she makes false claims about these filters.
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Whereas Alex can do whatever the fuck he wants.
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Is that what you're saying?
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Is that what's true?
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Don't care.
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I know you're the literal representative.
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You are the mouthpiece of the company telling me
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that I am lying to these people.
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So in the moment, we're not gonna say
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that it takes out fluoride.
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And I'm gonna start talking about how this was invented
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in England.
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Brilliant.
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And limestone and whatever.
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But later when you're gone.
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30 seconds after you're gone.
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I'm gonna go back.
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It gets rid of all the fluoride.
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Even if they ask me about it,
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I'll say that you're not allowed to quote unquote,
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wink, wink, wink, say it.
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Right.
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Yeah.
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So we have one last clip here.
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And it's mostly because Alex is very just obsessed
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with the traffic and the Charlie Sheen of it all.
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Yeah.
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And he's a little bit mad at Drudge
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because Drudge isn't promoting this enough.
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Oh, motherfuckers.
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Charlie Sheen's story.
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Got tens.
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That's not true.
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I was told eight million page views yesterday
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on the two sites together in the aggregate.
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And I would imagine now,
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that's how my brain works,
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that since I checked up this morning,
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a couple more million have come in,
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but it's slowed down to what they say,
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a few hundred thousand for each page,
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each website that has it posted every hour.
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So I guess it's getting up close to nine million
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or something, but again, I haven't checked.
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Eight million page views.
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And of course, most of that is because Drudge
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went to it for four hours.
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Most of that came in in four hours.
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And that site just gets,
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I forget what is it, like 20 million visitors a day.
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I mean, it's just, it's ridiculous.
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It's ridiculous how much that site gets
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because there's not many stories on it
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and it gets such huge traffic.
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And so your stories up there
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and like all these other news hounds
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and all these other people that are too lazy
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to check their inboxes,
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that's where the really good news is
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that lists are sending you from all over.
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The real good news.
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They go up to Drudge every day.
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And he posted up there and then jerks it out for four hours
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and then doesn't put it in his archive.
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He never, he never does that.
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So email Drudge and say, Drudge,
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why didn't you post that story?
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Why aren't you covering it?
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Why aren't you reporting on it?
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Call the Associated Press.
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I talked to AP reporters who were, yeah, this is big.
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Well, we're gonna get this out.
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You call them back.
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Oh, we're not running it now.
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Well, just upstairs said no.
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I don't know if what Alex is saying about Drudge is true,
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but we'll just take it as-
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Fine.
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I'll stipulate that he's-
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It's 20 years ago, yeah.
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I think it's entirely possible
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that Charlie Sheen's management and PR people
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were able to soften the coverage
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of his InfoWars interview.
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The whole Dixie Chicks thing happened in 2003.
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And in 2006, Charlie is on one of the highest rated sitcoms
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on TV.
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So his team would probably be very interested
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in him not being the target of that kind of attention
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during a war where people, like,
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people will turn on you like they did the Chicks.
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You don't know what could happen.
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You just don't know.
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People are crazy.
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I also think that this would be an easy sell for a PR team
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because it's not really that good of a story.
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For most people, Charlie Sheen is already a figure
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that they kind of think is crazy.
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So if he says something crazy, that isn't exciting.
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Like his character is based on him kind of being crazy.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Like this is who he is.
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If you want a tabloid gossip magazine selling headline,
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you need someone who has a squeaky clean image
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saying something crazy.
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Like if Kelly Clarkson came out in question 9-11,
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then maybe we're talking about sub,
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like people are gonna talk about it.
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That actually was the subplot to From Justin to Kelly.
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No, Guarini pilled her.
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Guarini red pilled her on QAnon.
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So the From Justin to Kelly was the bullshit
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into Kelly's brain.
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Okay, all right, all right.
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I've seen that movie.
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Five times maybe?
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I know you have.
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It came out when I worked at a movie theater.
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But anyway, for Charlie Sheen,
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the only thing that's gonna get the tabloids interested in
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is something that involves his own self-destruction
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as we end up seeing five years later.
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Him doing an interview with Alex
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is a gigantic career-defining moment for Alex,
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but it's a blip in other media.
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No one really cares.
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Because Charlie's a known commodity,
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it's not that interesting.
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Who cares?
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His PR people can push back against any
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like momentum that Alex is even pushing
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that would get him the Dixie Chicks treatment.
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So like, I think he's up against his own,
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like it's a Sisyphean task trying to
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get publicity for this.
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I think I'm trapped in a thought.
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And I don't know.
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All right.
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When Alex says, call the Associated Press,
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do you believe that in Alex's mind
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he is telling people to call AP?
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Or do you believe he is telling people to call
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all reporters across the world?
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I think he thinks of it like calling the Rangers.
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Right?
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Is that, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's not like go talk to the Associated Press.
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No, go talk to the Associated Press members,
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that kind of thing, right?
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Yeah, go out into the street with a lantern and a bell.
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Yep, yep, yep.
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I feel two things very strongly.
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The first is that Alex is clearly
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so desperately attached to numbers.
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Like, you know, you were saying earlier,
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oh, this is someone who's gonna have a problem
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with social media.
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Yep.
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The way he's talking about the millions of pages.
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Eight million aggregate by two sites.
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And I assume based on checking it earlier,
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like that's somebody who's got,
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their brain is gonna be fucked by the attention
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and the numbers of social media.
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And then the other thing that you just see is like,
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it's pretty obvious this didn't go as well
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as he wanted it to.
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He expected something bigger and because it has not
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made the splash that he needs it to,
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the story has to become that he's being silenced.
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Yep.
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And everyone's covering up this story,
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the biggest story in the world where Charlie Sheen
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talked to me.
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Yeah.
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That sucks.
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Yeah, it is such a, like, you can tell
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that it's the opposite direction.
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For me, it's like, I wouldn't care.
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I would be like, hey, is this interview good or bad?
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Right, I don't care if a lot of people saw it.
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And if it was bad and a lot of people saw it,
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that's worse to me than not doing it.
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But for him, it's just, what numbers does it get?
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The interview can have good or negative quality,
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doesn't matter.
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Yeah, it's a vehicle for the attention.
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Exactly.
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And if I'm being perfectly honest,
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it was neither good nor bad.
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It just was a fine interview.
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It was just a promotional interview, yeah.
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Yeah, and I think that if I had my druthers.
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Yeah, your drudgers?
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I would love for the Associated Press to report
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that Alex was promoting Two and a Half Men.
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That I think would be funny.
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That would be funny.
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Because that would really harm his reputation
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as somebody who's like, I'm this mad preacher
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out in the wilderness, I believe in the Constitution.
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You're shilling for CBS, asshole.
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Alex stops telling truth for a second
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to ask you to watch Two and a Half Men.
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To ingratiate himself with celebrity guest.
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Yeah, that would be funny if that was the headline.
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Alex finally lies, says Two and a Half Men is funny.
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Hmm, that's not fair.
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I'm sure there's some good episodes.
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You have to take it on a season by season basis.
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Yeah, no, you're right, you're right.
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You have to do the totality.
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You can't judge individual episodes of Two and a Half Men.
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Now that we have reached the end of,
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we haven't, have we?
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They're probably doing a new one right now.
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I don't know.
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So the other thing that I think that this brings into focus
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is like, there's a weird thing in Alex's career
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that has been desperately hijacking other things.
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And you can feel it in this like Drudge,
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I got all of this traffic from Drudge,
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then Drudge took the article down.
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He really needs Drudge to drive traffic to it.
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And then later it becomes YouTube
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and then it becomes Twitter.
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And as we get closer to a hypothetical,
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his shit's gonna get shut down,
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he's not gonna have anything to, there's nothing.
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No, he's not gonna be able to piggyback
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or parasite his way onto anything.
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Well, no, but the thing that he needs to suck life to
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is gonna be gone.
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Right, right, right, right.
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Like he's just gonna be a guy who has a Twitter account.
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Yep.
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And that's weird.
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I mean, it makes sense why he's drinking again.
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I think he probably has been.
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I think that there's like, he's always existed as a guy
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who has a need to draw attention
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to at least the thing he has created himself.
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He has had infowars.com and Prison Planet
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and the documentaries and, you know,
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like he's had his landing thing
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that you send the little ships out
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to drive traffic back to, and that's gonna be gone.
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He is only gonna exist as the parasitic thing.
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It's gonna be a free-floating brain parasite.
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Yeah.
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God forbid any of it,
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like a fucking brain slug in Futurama.
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And I guess-
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Let him fall on the floor and he'll starve to death.
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I guess on some level that's interesting
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to see like what that will look like.
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Yeah.
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When the actual mothership is no longer really important.
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Yeah.
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But I don't know if it's that interesting.
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That's the thing is that it's,
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it is an inflection point
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and one that should cause a crisis
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that someone should either be destroyed by
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or should grow through.
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It bothers me with Alex is that it seems like
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he is facing all of the crises in his entire career
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and has never been destroyed nor grown through them.
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No.
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They just wrap around him and become our problem.
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Yeah, I mean, on some level that's why
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there's so many episodes of this podcast.
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Yeah, that's fair.
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It's a remarkable thing that no one else
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seems to have lived through.
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I mean, yeah, that's definitely true.
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And because we're recording this in advance,
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he might have gone out of business
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by the time this comes out.
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Who fucking even knows?
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Who fucking knows?
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And if it has, sorry, we don't know.
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But yeah, we'll see if he ever gets around
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to that V for Vendetta review.
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I'm really itching for it.
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If only.
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Hopefully it'll come next time.
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But until then, we have webs.
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Indeed we do, it's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep, we'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo Mdzyc, Clark.
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I am the mysterious professor.
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Woo, yeah, woo, yeah, woo!
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex, I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan, I love your work.
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I love you.
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