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Dan and Jordan. Knowledge Fight.

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Riddler! Riddler! Riddler!

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Ahhh!

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Need, need money.

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Riddler! Riddler! Riddler!

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Riddler!

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Andy in Kansas. Andy in... Andy in...

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Stop it!

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Andy in Kansas. Andy in Kansas.

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Riddler! Riddler! Riddler!

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It's time to pray.

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Andy in Kansas. You're on the air. Thanks for holding.

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Hello Alex. I'm a first-time caller. I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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Knowledge Fight.

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Knowledge Fight.com. I love you.

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Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

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I'm Jordan.

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We're a couple dudes who like to sit around. Where's where the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

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Oh indeed we are Dan.

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I got, I got senioritis. I got the Friday vibe. I couldn't remember how to intro the show.

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That was wild.

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That was the sound of a short circuit.

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It's...

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Dan!

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Yes?

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Dan?

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Jordan.

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Quick question for you.

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What's up?

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What's your bright spot today buddy?

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My bright spot today, it's still March.

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It is March.

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So I'm going first.

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Okay.

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As is tradition.

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Alright.

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And my bright spot is I'm going on a little trip.

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Ooh.

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I'm leaving tomorrow on a trip. I'm gonna go on a road trip.

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Yep.

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I'm just gonna drive around.

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Gonna get out there.

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Find out what there is to find.

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There's stuff.

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Yeah.

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I guarantee it.

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We're going to definitely do some dispatches from the time that I'm out there.

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I'll call you and bother you.

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I hope so.

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And you'll record me telling you about my travels.

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I imagine so.

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And yeah, I've been working on some of the logistics of this and just trying to put it

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all together for a bit and I'm excited that it's culminating.

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Yeah, I'm excited for you.

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I get down to have some movement.

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I'm stoked.

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This is for whatever this may be, it is also the culmination of all the months of work

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you did trying to get your driver's license all in service of a moment like this.

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Yeah.

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And getting snowed in and ice in for a bit.

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Yeah, those motherfuckers.

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Just kind of feeling like I was immobile and couldn't do this.

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So yeah, I just kind of set the date in my head and I spoke it into reality with my therapist

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and some friends and you.

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Yep.

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And I'm glad that we stuck.

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Yeah.

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You're in a different category than friends.

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I know.

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Enemy.

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Exactly.

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Mortal nemesis.

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Yeah, but I'm just glad that I'm sticking through with it and we'll see what happens.

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I'm excited for you.

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But yeah, I look forward to some stupid shit of me bothering you.

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Always excited.

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So what's your bright spot?

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My bright spot coincides with yours because not only are you going on a trip.

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You're excited that I'm leaving.

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No, no, no.

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It's my wife's spring break.

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So I'm suddenly very available, which is delightful.

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For her or is she going somewhere?

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No, no, no, we're just hanging out.

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You're very available for her.

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Yeah, it's going to be great.

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It's going to be a good week to spend together, which is interesting because last week she

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was out late every night, so we barely got to see each other.

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This week we're going to spend as much time as we can together, or at least as long as

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she can stand to be around me.

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It's a feast and famine with quality time.

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It is how it works.

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So yeah, I'm excited.

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You have any little plans in advance?

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Nah, we were going to take a road trip, but you've already mapped out where we were going

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to go.

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You don't know where I'm going to go.

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Yeah, that's the problem.

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I haven't told you.

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I have kept this close to the chest vest.

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It was exactly where we were going to go though.

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Shit.

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Yeah, we were there last year actually.

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Oh yeah?

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Yeah.

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I find that hard to believe.

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I think that the things that I would be drawn to in a road trip are not what you or your

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wife would be drawn to.

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Like for better or worse, I think you guys go on vacations to cool places that are nice

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and you might go to like swim with the turtles or go on a zipline.

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Turtle based is exactly right.

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I think that I'm drawn to things that are like, wouldn't it be funny if I did that?

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There is a little bit of that to you.

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We stopped at the lions den, I believe, didn't we?

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On the way back from Milwaukee.

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National Landmark.

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It is a national landmark.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, so I think there wouldn't be much overlap, but in case there is, I'll be sure to get

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her some like the fridge magnet.

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She would love that.

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Or something.

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She would be delighted.

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Awesome.

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Yeah.

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Well, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over before we both go on break.

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Before we both go on break.

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And it's a tough situation.

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Yeah.

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Alex has been just gone.

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He's on his spring break.

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Kind of.

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Oh boy.

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So we'll talk about what's going on, but first let's take a moment to say hello to some new

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Wongs.

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Oh, that's a great idea.

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So first, it was Patch Adams' girlfriend, Karen Fisher, that was murdered at the end

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of the movie.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy Wong.

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I'm a policy Wong.

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Thank you very much.

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Good to know.

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Next, longtime listener who's finally deciding to buy flowers for herself and ask for a shout

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out.

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Just a little one, just as a treat.

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Emily, you are now policy Wong.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy Wong.

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I'm a policy Wong.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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And Patch Adams' girlfriend gets murdered at the end of the movie.

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Thank you so much.

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You're now a policy Wong.

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I'm a policy Wong.

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Thank you very much.

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Is this a chumba wumba situation?

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You can see how sometimes through the Wong shout outs, what the name and date of the

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shout out were.

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We were talking about that.

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That was right around whenever we said something about Patch Adams.

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Yep.

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So we also got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.

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So thank you so much to Roses are Red.

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The truth gets ignored.

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Dan pulls receipts and Jordan gets floored.

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Sarah loves you.

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Eric Miller, thank you so much.

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You're now a technocrat.

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I'm a policy Wong.

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Four stars.

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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

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Someone, someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.

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Daddy shark.

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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

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He's a loser.

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Little, little titty baby.

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I don't want to hate black people.

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I renounce Jesus Christ.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you very much.

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So Jordan, yes, shit's bad at info wars.

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Yeah, I believe so.

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There's no way to avoid this just reality.

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I'm sure they're going out of business at some point in the not too distant future.

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And Alex is probably dying in front of everyone's eyes.

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It looks like it.

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But the state of affairs on air has been particularly grim.

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This past week, Alex has barely appeared on his own show with Harrison Smith generally

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kicking off the broadcast, which is then hosted by a rotating cast of racists and weirdos.

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You have a lot of familiar faces like Stuart Rhodes, Gavin, McGinnis, Mike Adams, and the

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like, but what's different about the present situation is that it doesn't feel like anyone

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in particular is the anchor.

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Yeah.

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Like in the past, it would feel like someone's filling in.

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Yeah.

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In the world of independent standup, you generally run into two kinds of shows.

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The first has a host who welcomes the crowd and gets things going and then returns in

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between acts to reset the audience and give things a sense of continuity.

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The other type is a shotgun show where the performer on stage introduces the next performer

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and it just keeps rolling like that.

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I'm not saying it's impossible, but I've never been a part of or seen a shotgun style

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show that felt good.

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It's bad to watch and it sucks to be a part of most of the time.

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Yep.

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You don't need a stern hand out of a host, but you really do need someone to bring a

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bit of order to the chaos or else the show kind of feels like it's out of control.

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And that's what Infowars feels like.

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It's like a boat with no captain.

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And Alex, I think he has appeared a couple times like doing a little like video that

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he sent in.

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Yeah.

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But like, it feels weird.

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It feels like no one's minding the store.

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I want to say Live at the Troubadour.

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Do you remember the Comedians of Comedy Live at the Troubadour set?

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That was the last shotgun set that I could think of where I was like, you know what?

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This is exactly how they should have done that.

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None of those people were responsible enough to be the host.

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It's not supposed to be a well thought out show.

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At one point, H. John Benjamin and David Cross, I think were double teaming a guy.

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I think you have come up with a counter example where that only one that worked well.

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And I would like to remind you that what I said is I have never been a part of that's

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fair or seen.

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I didn't see the comedians of comedy.

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That's a good point.

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I have made my mistake.

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Yeah, I mostly use this as an analogy to explain that shit feels out of control and like there's

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no one in charge at Infowars.

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I just mostly wanted to talk about H. John Benjamin and David Cross.

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Sure.

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Yeah, that was an intense set.

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Singing Let's Give Him Something to Talk About.

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Yep, yep, yep.

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Classic.

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Classic.

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So, what the fuck?

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I don't know.

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Why do we know these things?

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I don't know.

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Anyway, I was struggling to find something to cover.

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Yeah.

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And I watched an episode of Dan Padandi's show.

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I was lured in because the title was Things Not to Have in Your Home.

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Ooh, that's actually a good...

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It's not.

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I mean, the problem with that, that totally gets me because I'm like, oh, there's so many

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things you don't want to have in your home.

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I wonder if I have any of my home.

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I'm certain you do.

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Statues.

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Yep, totally.

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It's all idolatry.

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It's all idolatry.

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Ugh, it was bad.

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I realized like, I can't, I don't want to do an episode about him.

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No.

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Looked into some space stuff.

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Sure.

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Not really anything.

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I wasn't feeling like a Tucker.

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I even was considering like, hey, maybe it's time to talk about the Ace Man.

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Maybe Adam Carolla is finally going to get his little moment.

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No, no, I don't know if that's going to ever happen.

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So then I noticed something happened.

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And it happened on the same day that Alex was on Tim Pool's show.

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And that is Owen Schroyer appeared on Alex's son's new show.

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Alex's son Rex has a new show called The Gray Area.

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All right, I'm in.

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But this is a terrible idea on all parts.

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It is.

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And I will say that I did turn it off after about an hour because it just eventually got

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boring.

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But there's some shit going on with this that I think is actually fairly interesting.

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All right.

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I'm listening and worth our time.

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Okay.

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So here is the beginning of the show where Rex is bringing in the Schroyer.

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Episode 56.

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Welcome to the Gray Area.

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Rex Jones and Tim Tompkins were joined by a special guest today.

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The one and only Owen Schroyer.

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Welcome to the Gray Area.

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Feels like we're all in the Gray Area right now, Rex.

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Boom!

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Right out the gate!

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Hard to figure out what's black and white.

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Absolutely.

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Absolutely.

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And I know we watched your video today that you put out.

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It's very rare, like hardly ever in the decade that I knew you when we worked together.

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I've really never seen you miss a show or miss a broadcast, but it is just all too much

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to take in at this point.

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So right off the bat, Owen's missed plenty of shows in the past.

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Who knows how many of them were planned time off or sick days, but they're being a little

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bit dramatic here.

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So apparently Rex has decided to start his own little show called The Gray Area.

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It's an interesting choice because his first attempt at a show was called I'm Not Bragging,

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which was a line that he stole from his dad.

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Alex would regularly say I'm not bragging when he was very obviously bragging, so his

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son made a show with the name that was making fun of that.

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That was an attempt at capturing some kind of a Gen Z audience with Trump content, but

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now the worm has turned a little bit and the Gen Z folks don't like Trump so much anymore.

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To attract them, it's important to be a little bit more jaded and less interested in

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party politics, kind of like Alex pretended to be back when he was Rex's age.

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Weird.

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And thus we have The Gray Area, the space between black and white.

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But this is also kind of a name that's just a ripoff of Max Blumenthal's show The Gray

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Zone.

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There is that.

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There's no way that's not intentional.

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I think that Rex is always going to be destined to live in his dad's shadow, and that's

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made him incapable of sincere creation.

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Probably.

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The things he makes are derivative, and there's something very telling about the fact that

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he's decided to stop impersonating his dad and doing a show based on one of his dad's

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catchphrases and start impersonating another media figure whose brand seems a little bit

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more viable right now.

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Yeah.

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Also, not for nothing, this is a hilarious booking.

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If you remember, Rex was on air with Harrison Smith when Alex did that whole meltdown thing

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with Owen.

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So I can't imagine his dad is cool with this.

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I mean, just every part of this.

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Like, first off, his I can't remember you missing a day.

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Part of the conversation you had with your dad was about how Owen was like, I'm just

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out of here for a week.

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He just left for a week.

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That was part of the whole thing.

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And his dad was yelling about how he was lazy and sloppy.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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There's something that's not adding up here.

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Well, that was just my dad going off on one of his things, which we're all totally fine

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with apparently because enabling is our fucking religion.

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I also, if he says that he worked with Owen for a decade, I don't think he's old enough

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to have worked for a decade.

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I don't believe so either.

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Alex might be breaking some child labor laws.

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Well, I mean, there's definitely probably something where I bet, and I'm just going

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to go out on a limb and say that his relationship with his father is probably not the healthiest

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one.

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I'm just going to go reach for the stars on my guesses and just say that that's probably

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not going to be a good environment to raise a child in.

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And we all wrestle with our parents.

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We all have struggles.

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Absolutely.

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We don't all need to do this.

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No.

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You know, there's something I don't...

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Listen, maybe this isn't popular.

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Okay.

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But I think there's a certain sort of person who's trying to be too big, who should not

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be allowed to have kids.

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Yeah.

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You know, like you shouldn't be Michael Jordan's kid.

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You just shouldn't be his kid.

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There's no win.

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There's no way you can do anything.

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It makes me think of, you know, Roy Jones Jr., the boxer.

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Yeah.

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He had that album, Roy Jones Jr. Round One, the album.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And he had a song called Y'all Must've Forgot.

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That was a single on the radio.

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Yeah.

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It was about how you must've forgot how good of a boxer he was.

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They must've forgot how good of a boxer he was.

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Yeah.

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And a lot of it was just about how he knocked people out and stuff.

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He was good at that.

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Sure.

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There's a line in it, though, that is like, will there be another Roy Jones?

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Probably not.

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I stopped Virgil Hill with a body shot.

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Y'all must've forgot.

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And he has a son that's Roy Jones III.

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You can't have that mentality if you're a singular person.

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Nope.

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If you're a great, you can't have a kid.

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Yeah, I think it's that extension.

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And the part of it is like, if you're that crazy great, right?

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There's no way that you don't at least a little bit view your kid as an extension of how great you are.

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Right?

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Because everything is about how great you are.

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And no matter how well you do at trying to fight that back,

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you're going to imprint that on the kid somehow.

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Yeah, it's not possible.

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Because even if you don't, there's the entire world that says you do.

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Even if Michael Jordan was the best father, every time that kid is outside of Michael Jordan's house,

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they're like, you're Michael Jordan's kid.

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So Owen's on and he's wrestling with some of the big questions.

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Is it bad now?

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Yeah.

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We can't tell.

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We're trying to decide.

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This is the gray area, right?

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Talk about the theme of the show.

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We're trying to decide if this is really worse than it's ever been.

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Like, is this really as bad as it's ever been?

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Or does it just feel that way because we had such high hopes for this Trump administration.

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We went through so much to get here.

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I mean, we went through so much to get here.

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And now it feels like we've been totally betrayed, to put it simply.

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So it's like, is it really that bad?

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Is it really worse than it's ever been?

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Or does it just kind of feel that way because of the betrayal

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and because of all the work it took to get here?

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But regardless, the result is the same.

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An easy answer to Owen's question is that it's definitely as bad as it's ever been

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and that he wasn't betrayed.

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It's as bad as it's ever been, not because things are actually as bad as they've ever been.

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Like, other periods of history have been demonstrably worse,

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but none of them are happening right now.

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Things are as bad as they've ever been because we don't know how this plays out,

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but we do know that things are bad and they're heading in a bad direction.

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The past has already happened and we can see the effects of past bad times

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and do our best to learn from them,

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but our present is uniquely dangerous because we don't know what's going to happen

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and we don't know what the consequences of today's actions are going to be.

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And Owen wasn't betrayed, except by himself.

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No one who treated Trump realistically is at all surprised by what he's doing.

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It might be a little more brazen than some people expected,

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but everything is in line with who he was from day one.

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Owen was a fine sports broadcaster who dreamed of something bigger,

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and in 2015 he saw the easiest shortcut to those dreams

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in the form of bullying people at protests.

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It was so easy, and he got a job at Infowars that paid him way more

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than he'd be getting at a local station doing sports,

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which realistically is probably what he'd end up doing.

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He has some skills, so maybe he could have gotten on ESPN

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or some other big name in sports broadcasting,

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but it's also a competitive field, so luck is going to come into it,

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and maybe he never would have gotten his break.

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That beard's never going to get you on ESPN.

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He probably would trim it.

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I'm just saying.

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In working for Infowars and going along with everything he promoted for years,

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Owen made a deal with the devil.

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He got to be way richer than he had any business being,

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and he got to have a career in what felt like media.

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What was asked in return was that he promote the party line,

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which was Trump fanaticism.

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The disappointment Owen feels with Trump now isn't real disappointment with Trump.

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It's a disappointment that the fake version of Trump

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he made a career off selling doesn't exist.

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It's a disappointment that the game is kind of over,

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because it was a fun, easy game for them to play for the last decade.

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That's something that I think is so critical,

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and why these kind of people can't be trusted ever again.

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They weren't just wrong to be optimistic about Trump.

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If that were the case, then you could easily say,

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man, we all get things wrong sometimes.

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It's not a crime to have hope.

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But they weren't optimistic.

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They lied.

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They were optimistic that they'd get away with lying,

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and that it wouldn't blow up in their faces.

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But they straight up lied to their audience for years

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in order to make the audience feel optimistic about Trump.

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Until there's some accounting of how they lied to sell Trump in the past,

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you can't possibly think that anything Owen is saying now

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isn't just another lie that's meant to sell what he thinks

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is his best shot at a new marketable brand.

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So yeah, your gray area is what cares.

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I mean, it's just absurd on its face,

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because for all of these people who are somehow like,

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ah, I feel betrayed.

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Have I been?

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If you go back in time to 2016,

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and you just say, let's make a deal, right?

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I'll support Trump.

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But if he ever violates the Constitution

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to the point where you have to say he violated the Constitution,

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then he's done.

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He's out.

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He's dead to you.

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He's dead to all of us, right?

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They would, of course, made that deal,

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because no matter what, even if he had violated the Constitution,

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they would have been like, I can lie my way through it.

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They would never have guessed that they would get to the point

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where they would say, that motherfucker's violating the Constitution.

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Right.

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They never thought that they would get to the point where they were worried.

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Exactly.

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About maintaining their brand.

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Right.

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And because they are here, and because they never thought they would be here,

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they're way willing to go as far, you know, like,

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is it as bad as it's ever been?

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What are you fucking talking about?

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That you're asking that question is the answer to that question.

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To Alex Jones's son and guy who does a show with Alex Jones's son.

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Right?

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Who I have no idea who he is.

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Yeah, I can't imagine how you would.

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I have no strong feelings.

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So they get to complaining and talking about how Trump

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seems to be kind of doing dictator-type propaganda.

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Wow.

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That's no good.

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Wow.

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And I don't know if you saw this, but Trump put out a video,

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or I guess it was after the Massey rally,

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and he's in Cincinnati, or the anti-Massey rally.

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I mean, Trump is straight up doing North Korean-level propaganda now.

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Yes.

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He goes, honestly, I mean, Kim Jong-un is blushing.

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He goes in front of the media and he says how successful the war has been.

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He says he's had the best presidency in the history of the country.

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He says the economy's better than it's ever been.

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What is he going to say next?

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He shot 18 on 18 holes of golf?

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Like, this is getting ridiculous.

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Who does he think he's fooling?

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Like, who does he think is fooling with this ridiculous propaganda?

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Owen's criticism of Trump is fine, and he's not wrong.

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It all just rings hollow, because Trump was always doing that shit.

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Owen was at January 6th.

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He did the caravan of the Stop the Steal rallies.

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He only owns a house now because he was willing to sell the dictator level of propaganda

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that Trump was putting out then.

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It's great that he feels upset and he doesn't want to do that job anymore,

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but I'm not sure he realizes how making this criticism just kind of indicts his whole career.

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He had no problem parroting Trump's absurd self-serving lies in the past,

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so all of a sudden, being able to accurately assess that this is dictator levels of propaganda

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just tells you that he knew what he was selling in the past.

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He is a willing participant in those.

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He wasn't fooled.

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He's not betrayed.

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Yeah, you can't do this.

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You can't ever know.

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Because once you know, it's retroactive.

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You have to have some sort of massive come to Jesus moment where you explain to everybody

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how you could be so fucking stupid not to realize

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that you were the fucking government propaganda to begin with.

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Right, like you finally read a book or something and it like really blew your mind or something

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and then you can have a paradigm shift or whatever.

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I honestly, guys, guys, I have only talked about, I'm willing to admit it right now,

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I've only talked about 1984.

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I've never actually read it.

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So I've read it and you know what?

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Not a bad book.

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There's some stuff in there that I didn't know.

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So I've realized something.

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I quit all the things I've ever done before.

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No, I'm gonna do an interview complaining with Alex Jones's son.

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That's the same thing as learning.

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So Owen, I think that there's some passive aggressive shots at Rex's dad.

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Oh yeah?

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That may be happening throughout this.

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I'm liking that.

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So I would ask Maga this because I don't take anything in politics personally.

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I think feeling, you know, feeling a little heartbreak or betrayal is natural after

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everything we went through to get here, but I don't take anything in politics personally.

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So getting betrayed by a politician, getting lied to by a politician, like, okay, whatever,

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the sun comes up.

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What is really, I think, worse is watching what Maga has turned into.

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And, you know, Rex, you were there with us at the grassroots level of this.

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We've been in the streets together.

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I was one of the first people in the media to come out in support of Trump when he came

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down the elevator.

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And so it's like, we've got to this point and now all of these people that are basically

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living off the movement that we created.

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It's like they're wearing our movement as like a skin suit, as like an avatar.

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And all it is to them is a business model.

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All it is to them is a grift.

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All it is to them is like a popularity contest in high school where they've never sat at

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the cool kids table and now they feel like, oh, we're running the cool kids table.

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And you're like, what are you doing here?

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This was our movement.

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You guys are just, you guys have just completely destroyed it.

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This conversation can't be happening between these two people without it feeling like he's

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talking about Rex's dad.

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How is it not?

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Yeah.

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How are you not talking about my dad is my next question.

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Who fired you?

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Yeah.

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Or maybe you quit.

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I don't know.

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Remember all that stuff?

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You're talking about my dad, right?

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Remember when he said he was going to kill you and...

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By the way, my dad's outside.

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Anyways, just irrelevant information for this conversation.

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But anyways.

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He pays my rent through a pass-through company with my CVD company or whatever the fuck.

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Or worse, can he somehow in defiance of God's will not know that Owen is talking about his

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dad?

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Well, no, I don't think Rex could be that naive.

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It can't be.

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I think that Owen could probably trick himself into thinking that he's not talking about

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Alex.

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Oh, I'm talking about MAGA.

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I'm talking about all those other MAGA people.

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Alex is his own thing.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Because he doesn't take things personally.

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That does make me want to strangle him.

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Yeah, because he does.

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That makes me want to strangle him, not least of which, because even if that was true, even

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if he didn't take things personally, what you believe is that I should put children in

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cages.

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So yeah, it's fucking personal.

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It becomes personal very fast.

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Yeah.

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And he's talking about being betrayed by the president.

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Yeah, there's definitely that.

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That's personal.

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That's emotional.

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Don't pretend you don't take this personally.

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Nope.

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Your boss, the guy you worked for for a decade, cries on air about how he and Trump have a

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psychic mind meld connection and can finish each other's sentences.

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Yeah.

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And at the very least, if you are feeling betrayed, it is also a religious betrayal

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because you have tied so much.

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It's mercy.

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Yeah, you've tied so much religion into this, you might as well no longer believe in God

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you've been betrayed so bad.

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So you brought up this idea of at the beginning of the Trump time being like, okay, here's

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a red line I would suggest for you.

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Yeah.

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And if we cross that red line, then you're obligated to...

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You're obligated by your own words.

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We're signing the deal with me, the devil.

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And Owen kind of wants that now.

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Yeah.

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Here's what I would like to see from whatever's left of MAGA.

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And I doubt they'd be able to commit to any of this because I think they know.

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I think they know they've been fooled.

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I think they know they're unpopular and you kind of see them crashing out right now.

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But I'd like to say this, for me, the line has already been crossed.

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So I'm already out.

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All right.

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I mean, just look at the situation in Iran.

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I wanted zero war with Iran.

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I wanted zero Iran strikes.

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I wanted zero dead American soldiers.

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I wanted zero dollars spent on a war in Iran.

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So that was already crossed for me.

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I knew my red lines already crossed for me.

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That's just one situation.

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So I would ask whatever's left of MAGA, I'd say, do you have any red lines?

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Is there any line where you will say, if Trump does this, I will be upset?

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Or are you just full-blown cult right here?

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Are you just full-blown cult cuck mindset that no matter what Trump does, you're going

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to celebrate it?

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Because he's pretty much betrayed every campaign promise.

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It really feels like Owen's talking about Rex's dad.

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Yeah.

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So I think that Owen knows the answer to this question.

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Yeah.

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There are a couple of red lines, depending on the person, but they're all practical calculations.

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Some people's red line is if they really need a rebrand because they got fired from a shitty

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job where they worked for a raving alcoholic who seems like he's dying.

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They will be willing to ditch Trump when they're convinced that there's more money to be made

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on the other side of the shit talking economy.

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Far more people will have a red line that is they will be willing to treat Trump as

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the piece of shit they know him to be once there's a viable alternative who they think

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will be racist and pro-business enough.

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That group includes people like Alex, and it really does make sense if you think about

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it.

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Making the jump from Ron Paul to Trump is a serious blow to your principles, but it's

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an upgrade in terms of power.

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You went from your hero being a guy in Congress who most people were tired of to a president

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who controlled a cult of personality.

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The option is there to make that jump again, but there's no upward jumps to be made.

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Massey is probably the best choice for them to get behind, but that would be basically

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going back to Ron Paul.

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If you'd never left Ron Paul, that's a smooth transition, but because of the choices the

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extreme right has made in the past decade, that looks like them going from varsity to

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junior varsity.

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Yeah.

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Making that step is backwards for them.

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Yeah, I wish there was some sort of religion, some huge, like maybe one of the most popular

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ones ever, that had something that was like, it's really like maybe that humility and

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being humbled is like the path to like becoming a better person or to improving things.

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Like it would be so cool if there was like a big focus on humility in this, like popular

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religion.

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That'd be great.

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Did I tell you that Owen has a gold microphone?

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No, he does not.

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Of course.

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He's trying to be Rush.

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Oh my God.

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So anyway, basically the red line is being provided another option.

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Yeah.

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They'll all turn on Trump once they feel like they can do that without losing power.

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And that's basically the tension that their world has.

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None of, not like not enough of them are convinced that Vance is viable.

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I mean, it's to hear Owen say this shit is like, buddy, it's a green line.

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If you were being paid enough, you'd still be a fan of Trump, wouldn't you?

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It is because you are not available to get that money that you are.

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The red line has been crossed for me.

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Yeah.

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Get the fuck out of here.

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It's better for you now.

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And some of the stuff that you say because of that is better.

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And some of it is preferable, but I cannot take any of it seriously.

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No, it means nothing.

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It means nothing.

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Yeah.

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You can say the same shit that I might say, but you're a liar.

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So Owen talks a little bit about political theory.

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I'm excited to hear what his theories are.

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He's pretty deep.

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Okay.

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This happens every time in right-wing politics.

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It's like cyclical.

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And that's why people like Nick Fuentes are kind of turned into this accelerationist mindset,

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or just burn it to the ground mindset, because this happens every time.

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Republican politics get unpopular.

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Populism and nationalism takes over the body politic of the right, of the GOP.

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It gives us election victories.

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We get into power and then the establishment steals everything from us.

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And then the establishment takes our movement, turns it into neocons, turns it into warmongers,

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the same crap we've been dealing with.

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They just did it with Trump.

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And so now we're sitting here and we're saying, not again, not again.

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The entire right-wing Republican GOP establishment.

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Has to be completely removed from the picture altogether.

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Otherwise we're going to win these victories.

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And then when we actually get in power, nothing happens that we want to happen.

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It's an interesting theory that Owen has about that political cycle.

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I have a slightly different explanation that I would like him to consider.

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Right-wing politics are always unpopular.

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They suck shit and they're disproportionately meant to hurt the vast majority of the

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population to benefit the rich.

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That's what their ideology is based around.

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That's all the John Birch society kind of cold war post shit was all about.

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It's not that populism makes conservative ideas popular and then gets people elected

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who are then corrupted by neocons.

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It's that populism is a lie and a manipulative strategy that's often used by people who want

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to uphold the existing system by appealing to those people who feel disaffected by it.

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Trump is and always was a billionaire elite who wanted to use the government to enrich

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himself and his associates.

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He just tricked Owen and all the other MAGA people into thinking that he was a populist

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in order to accrue that power.

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And that's the cycle that keeps repeating.

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This isn't about conservative or liberal ideas.

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It's about fraud.

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And it's a fraud that Owen gladly participated in.

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And I think that, you know, if anything left to our own devices without populist demagoguery

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and nonsense, I think that gradually left leaning ideas become more popular over time

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because people start to see the ways that they materially benefit them.

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And that is a cycle that is disrupted by the emergence of people like Trump who exploit

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racist tendencies in people in order to push a false populism.

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And Owen is a part of that system and only has a career because of it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I would also say probably that that no one seriously believes telling the truth

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is a successful winning strategy is also probably a big downside.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But in media.

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Exactly.

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No, I mean, it is an unreasonable thing to expect people to tell the truth.

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But if you want a system that works, it kind of has to be built on honesty.

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So we're fucked.

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It should be.

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And yet here we are, a guy who worked for Alex for 10 years talking to Alex's kid.

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Yep.

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Great.

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And the cats in the cradle.

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So I felt like Owen was taking some shots.

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Yeah.

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At Alex a little bit.

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Yeah.

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And then I was surprised that Rex really seems like he's shitting on his dad, too.

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All right.

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I think what they've realized, like the establishment people in the GOP, Trump,

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whatever his handlers, whatever I think they've realized is that

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they can marry the crazy evangelical Christians and crazy Christian Zionists that truly do believe

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in the message, the mission, the lighting, the signal fire to bring Jesus back in World War

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Three, the apocalypse in the Middle East.

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And they can unite the grifters, the people trying to make the money, the people in the game,

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people making that AdSense cash.

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They can connect those groups together where you have a group that truly believes in it

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too much and then a group doesn't believe in anything at all.

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And bing, bang, boom, that's your new base.

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And as long I think as long as they can extract money out of people,

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they don't even care about the midterms.

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It really feels like Rex is describing his dad there, right?

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The marriage of true believers and grifting like that perfectly describes Alex's business model.

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How do you even argue that you don't know you're talking about?

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How do you argue that you don't know you're talking about the guy?

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Yeah, if you don't know, we can see it and maybe you should talk to somebody.

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Absolutely.

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If you can say that and not hear it, we've got more problems than that you can't understand it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Rex knows that his dad pretends that God talks to him and gives him special missions,

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which would qualify as true belief, or at least the portrayal of it.

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Right.

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He also knows that his dad's a craven attention addict who uses that appearance of true belief

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to funnel sales to his various supplement lines.

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It's a grift.

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I think that Rex is kind of right that the current right wing is a union between very

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serious ideologues and con men, but it's silly to hear that coming from him.

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No one would even know who he was, except for the fact that his dad presided over the ceremony

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where those two things got married.

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Yep.

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So like what?

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You need to talk to somebody.

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I mean, see a doctor.

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No, it makes sense if you are rebelling against your dad.

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He's a kid still.

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He's rebelling against his hands.

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I would argue it would still be good to talk to somebody.

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I strongly agree with you.

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Okay.

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Just making sure that wasn't a rebuttal to my point.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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Absolutely not.

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Strongly agree.

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I'm just trying to say that there is some natural behavior here.

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Totally.

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But it's crazy.

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It's only crazy if he doesn't acknowledge what is so obvious.

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And like I said, I turned it off when it was getting pretty boring to me.

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Yeah.

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And I didn't hear any acknowledgement of I'm fucking pissed off at my dad.

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You can go fly a kite.

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I don't take any of his money anymore.

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Was it like five minutes after you turned it off that they went, you know, we can just

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say we're talking about Alex now, right?

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Like we can just move.

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We've been dancing around it.

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We're just talking about Alex, right?

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Dan's bored by now.

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He will have turned this off.

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Yeah, I'm talking about my dad.

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Yeah.

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If so, then yeah.

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If it was addressed, if he was wrestling with like that part of why anyone would ever listen

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to his show, then yeah, I guess maybe it's interesting, but like, yeah, while it's subtext,

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it's fucking, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,

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yeah, man, I just had the thought that you're like for whatever legacy people ever have,

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one that would be truly, uh, uh, perfect for you would be somebody, uh, listening to one

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of these dumb, dumb right-wing people's podcasts and have them at some point say,

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yeah, Dan probably stopped listening to this one by now.

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That would be, that would truly be like, this man's everywhere.

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This man's in the eyes of all of these people.

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They can hear his footsteps coming.

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I don't pretend, uh, even for a second that anyone even thinks about me or I live in their

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head rent free, but yeah, that would be very fun.

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That would be fucking hilarious.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, Rex, uh, you know, much like, uh, Owen was talking about some of the big questions

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before Rex gets into some of his own, some of the deeps.

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I often talk about this a lot with Tim or just solo by myself.

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What does the post-Trump era of politics look like in America?

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Because for more than a decade, people have been obsessed with this guy, following this guy, like

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love or hate him.

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No, one's indifferent about Trump, right?

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To this very day.

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But you look at someone like a Vance or someone like a Rubio that's associated with this toxic,

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betrayal, uh, administration.

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And they're supposed to run in a primary and everyone's gonna be like, I'm behind Rubio.

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I'm behind Vance.

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They want to run Vance off of just pure name, name value association with Trump.

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And they want to run Rubio as kind of a new Hispanic Obama.

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At least that's how I see it.

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I see it as like they're a new Jeb Bush, right?

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And then someone's going to come on that field, whether it's Massey or someone else, I tend

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to think that it's going to be someone we haven't even thought of yet, or haven't even considered.

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What do you think that looks like just for their political prospects in the post-Trump world?

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I tend to agree.

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I think that I personally don't think I could vote for anybody that's part of this administration.

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Maybe my mind will be changed when we get to that point.

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It will.

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But right now I don't see anybody from this administration being electable.

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I think the stench of the current status of the Trump administration will stick

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with whoever, whoever decides to run for president outside of it.

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So right now, Owen can say this and there's no real stakes.

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He can tell Trump circling the drain and he's trying to save himself.

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In 2026, it's very easy for him to say that he won't vote for someone in the administration,

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but as 2028 gets closer, we'll see if he doesn't end up terrified of the Democratic candidate

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and start playing lesser of two evils games.

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Also, I can't help but think that Rex is kind of doing an impression of his dad.

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He knows that Alex is trying to soft launch supporting Vance, so it feels like he's making

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fun of the old man there doing that voice.

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And also it can't help but feel like there's a desperation of a fantasy that someone will

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come along and save them like Trump did with the, you know, taking out Jeb Bush.

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Someone will appear and be funny.

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I mean, listen, I guess, I guess I am the only person in this world who's fucking crazy.

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But if I'm doing math, right, I'm saying this is a person who already was fine with overthrowing

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the country and maybe pulled it off and instead of going to jail, became president again.

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Right.

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And now that he's president again, he has committed a bunch of actual literal fucking

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crimes, super crimes, crimes that criminals are like, that's too crimey.

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Overthrew two countries.

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Right.

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Right.

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Right.

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Now I'll just throw this out there.

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If I have committed super crimes that people might want to hold me accountable for and

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I've already been fine overthrowing a country's government, I doubt I'm going to be interested

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in a democratic election where I might lose.

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Yeah.

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You know, that is a point that is very difficult to argue.

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Yeah.

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I, I don't think that, you know, we're necessarily destined or that's inevitable.

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Like the path, the chairs are going to go down.

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Sure.

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But yeah, you know, just based on the psychology, the individual, as Jeeves would say, it's

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tough to imagine a bequeathing power, knowing you're probably going to go to jail for the

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rest of your life.

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Yeah.

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I mean, but maybe I'm insane.

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I don't think that's that insane.

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I think thinking that it's definite is insane, but thinking that like, Hey, we should be

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pretty aware that that seems like something that somebody who's like this would do.

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Yeah.

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I don't think that's insane.

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Yeah.

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It feels like planning ahead for it would be wise.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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So, um, uh, Alex's son, Rex, he has a co-host.

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Yeah.

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That's this Tim guy.

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Why not go with the Jones zone?

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That's pretty good.

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Well, I think, I think there's a part of him probably wants to pretend he's like his own

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person.

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I get that.

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Yeah.

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So maybe you don't want, and Alex's website used to be the Jones report.

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So like maybe it's way too close.

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Jones zone.

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Here kid, you got that oof.

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Yeah.

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Come on.

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I don't know if he's that much of a kid anymore.

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I mean, he's in his twenties.

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He could be.

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Yeah.

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The last time I remember talking about him, he was like 12.

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So in my head, that's where he stays.

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Sorry kid.

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There was a point while we were doing this show that it felt unethical to talk about.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Now he's got his own show, which makes me feel like one, uh, mortality is coming down

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the pipeline.

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Yeah.

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To these kids these days.

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Yeah.

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Go outside.

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So Tim, um, discusses how like, he doesn't feel like there's anything he can do because

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he hates Trump and all that.

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And now this is going bad, but he doesn't want people to make fun of him for being a

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lib.

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My biggest fear here is like, okay.

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I, I can't even vote for anybody at this point.

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That's the whole reason why we started the show.

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Right.

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I mean, we were like, fix the world and make things better.

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We were like, we're tired of being lied on from both sides.

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And so now I just have no choice but to stay in the center and just call everybody out

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on their bullshit.

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And I, and I have no problem when the next Democrat comes in, I'll be just as critical.

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But now, you know, me even being critical of Trump, anything that's happening right

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now, I'm automatically labeled as like a libtard.

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That's right.

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You're right.

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I'm like, hold on, hold on.

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Who could have seen this coming?

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Just say wrong is wrong anymore.

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And that, you know, when the Democrats, the Democrats were doing this, and if you were

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to criticize the vaccine, they would call you a commie, you know, Republican and conservative,

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you know, all these different names that they had.

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And I'm just, I'm feeling disingenuous at this point.

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It's great to call out all sides, and I'm sure that's what Tim thinks he's doing, but

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he's doing an episode with Owen Schroyer on a show that he hosts with Alex Jones's son.

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The fact that he would be in that position makes me pretty sure he doesn't have a

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interest in calling out bullshit.

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Yeah.

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Because here's the thing.

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The people who would call him all those names for not supporting Trump enough are the people

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in that room.

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Maybe Owen and Rex are trying to rehab their images, but they're the people who bullied

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folks on the right who didn't like Trump.

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Their net worth was collected by demonizing never Trumpers.

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And when they're talking about this, Rex can't even stop himself from doing an impression

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of his dad calling someone a liberal.

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Yep.

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I know that Tim misspoke when he said that he feels disingenuous, but it's actually very

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accurate.

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That's the perfect word to use.

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That is the perfect word to use.

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This is deeply disingenuous.

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I mean, it is wild that I accepted that he misspoke because the only reason I would accept

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that is that it makes too much sense to say the appropriate word in that situation.

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I don't think it's a Freudian slip where he understands.

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I think he really just used the wrong word.

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But that being said, yeah, it sucks that if you don't fall in line exactly with Trump,

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someone is going to make fun of you online.

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That's the culture that Alex rode a wave on.

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The Owen Troy, the person that you're talking to, bullied people at protests to start his

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career.

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Like, this is the tone and the political tenor that enabled them to exist.

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So, like, sorry.

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The only sucks to deal with, but it's their fault.

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Yeah, no, that's what makes me so angry.

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It makes me so much more angry them doing this than just being people who call people

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libtards.

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Yeah, this makes me so angry because there's no the only way to even engage with this is

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if these people first take a picture of them in 2016 and go like, this is me calling me

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a libtard in 2026.

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Like, that's what has to you have to connect those two.

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You can go fuck yourself.

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Otherwise, you're just another liar who's gonna lie again.

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But the thing that's tough is that, like, as feeling people, like, obviously you have

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an empathetic response to somebody saying like, Hey, I can't do this without the political

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online space turning against me.

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And like, yeah, it sucks to deal with that.

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I just yeah, it's instead of the reaction that you have to someone just calling the

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names, which is fuck you.

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Yeah, this has all like, Yeah, that sucks.

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Yeah, that sucks.

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I don't want you have to deal with that.

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But Hey, also, fuck you.

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There should be.

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We shouldn't be allowed to.

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Okay.

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As a species, right?

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How long ago was it?

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Not too long ago, but the meme that was the updated version of the reaping and sewing

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thing, you know, the meme of this is me sewing.

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Ha ha ha.

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I'm having a great time.

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Me reaping.

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Boo.

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That sucks, right?

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We shouldn't be able to have awareness of that.

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Like, we just shouldn't.

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It bothers me that people can know it, because otherwise it makes now really sad.

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You know, like, if people couldn't know it, this would make so much more sense.

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Yeah.

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Yep.

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Yep.

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Or if they weren't like media figures.

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Yeah.

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You know, like, that makes it all the more.

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I don't know what Tim was up to.

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He seems like Rex's age ish.

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So, like, I don't know what he was doing in 2016.

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Sure.

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But he also has to be aware.

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Like, if he's doing a show with Alex Jones's son, he has a responsibility to be aware of

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at least a little bit what he's involved in.

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Yeah.

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And furthermore, if you guys are mad or scared of being called libtards or something, you're

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shitting all over Alex's dad passive aggressively.

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It's true.

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What is this?

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You're being the thing.

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You're embodying the thing.

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It's yeah, it's frustrating.

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It is frustrating.

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It's frustrating to...

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You know what it is?

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It's disingenuous.

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It's disingenuous.

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Yeah.

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So Owen, he starts bragging a little bit about how he's laser focused on calling out the

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propaganda.

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Sounds like him.

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Sounds like the Owen I know.

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It's like, I have professional training on how to do a broadcast.

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So I can put together a show and do a news broadcast.

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But my instinct, what drives the show, what drives the direction of my coverage is I call

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out propaganda.

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I call out propaganda.

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I call out fake narratives, fake news, whatever.

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I'm trying to lead my audience to the closest version of the truth that I can possibly present

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to them.

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So like you said, I don't care what's coming from the left.

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I don't care what's coming from the right.

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My natural instincts is to counter propaganda.

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And the fact of the matter is all the propaganda right now is coming from the right.

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Now, granted, the right is in total power.

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So whatever left-wing propaganda they're spewing, it kind of just falls on deaf ears because

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it's not landing anywhere.

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It goes into the abyss and it's just gone.

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So it's all the right-wingers that are in power that are spewing the propaganda.

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So people like you, people like me that just don't like being lied to, where are we gonna

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go?

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We're gonna call out the corrupt power on the right and the propaganda they're selling

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us.

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Well, it's the same exact, and you talked about it earlier, it's literally libtard language.

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You look at any of these people with Eric Doherty or Nick Swart or just to name a few

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or Kat Turd or Benny Johnson would be better examples.

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Benny Johnson.

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It's North Korean, Dear Leader style propaganda, is it not?

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Benny Johnson, yeah.

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No, you're 100% right about that.

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And here's the thing.

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This is why I'm kind of liking Nick Fuentes a lot these days.

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He just doesn't care.

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Good.

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So honestly, I don't believe that Owen is capable of knowing what is and is not propaganda.

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And if he is, that's actually worse for him.

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If he has the instincts to know when something's a fake narrative that's being pushed for

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propaganda purposes, then he worked at InfoWars and participated in that knowingly and willingly

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for like a decade.

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I think that what Owen is calling his instinct about propaganda is actually an instinct for

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marketing.

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His whole career at InfoWars was based on contrarianism, like marketing yourself as

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the opposition to the power structure.

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Obama was in office and they were against that.

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Trump got into office and they pretended that Obama was still in power.

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Biden got in and they were against that and pretended that Trump secretly won.

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Now Trump is back in office and there's really no way to sell the audience that he isn't

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in absolute power.

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He's appointed a third of the Supreme Court and the GOP controls all of Congress.

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He uses the Department of Justice to protect himself and target enemies.

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There's no choice for someone who needs to be a contrarian except to be against Trump

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now.

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And Owen understands that.

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He likes to pretend that he's got a gift for calling out propaganda, but it's really

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just that he's good at whining and presenting himself as the one who's against the power

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as opposed to having an actual stance.

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Yep.

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Also, Rex is really shitting on his dad's friends there.

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Right?

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Benny Johnson's on Info Wars a bit and Nick Sartor hosts his own show on the network.

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Yep.

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It makes one wonder why they don't seem to address that elephant in the room, which is

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they don't seem to like Rex's dad that much.

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I understand Owen not liking him.

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And you know what?

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I understand Rex not liking him that much.

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I understand everyone not liking him.

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He sucks.

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Yeah.

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Just out with it.

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Just fucking say it.

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God, I just I wish these people weren't allowed to use words.

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Like, I under...

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Because if they were allowed to express what they truly mean, which is like grunting noises

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at each other and then like a sad sound like grunt, grunt, grunt, like, you know, I've

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been betrayed by my dad.

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Like, that's what I feel like they're actually saying.

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Yeah.

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And you know, it makes you wonder if, like, he's talking to Owen and they're like, Nick

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Sartor is doing Trump, Kim Jong Un style, North Korean propaganda.

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Yeah.

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Would he say that if Alex was his guest?

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Right.

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Like, he makes money off Nick Sartor.

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And Nick Sartor is doing almost identical things to what Alex is doing.

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And Alex employs him.

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Yes.

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So you would have to connect those dots.

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North Korean style propaganda.

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Exactly.

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And he's your dad.

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Exactly.

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It's a mess.

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How is this not available information to them?

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Yeah.

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You know what?

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I did realize that this is episode 50 something.

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So maybe episode one is just him really laying it all out.

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Yeah, maybe.

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Maybe.

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Hey, listen, this is an I Hate Alex Jones podcast.

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I don't know if you guys have listened to Knowledge Fight.

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So I'm going on this road trip.

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Maybe I'll go in a big Rex hole.

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Do not do that.

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Do not do that.

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Don't ever say Rex hole.

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Don't even.

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Nuh uh.

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Rex 84, baby.

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There you go.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that wouldn't make sense.

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Do you think Rex was named after Rex 84?

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I never thought about that.

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No, I think he was named after a Tyrannosaurus Rex.

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Sure.

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King.

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Yep.

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You know, maybe I like to think that he was named after the FEMA camp plan.

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It would be funny.

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It would be funny if that was the only way Alex could really remember it.

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If I were Rex, I would never be able to get that out of my head.

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No, not once.

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Nope.

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I would say it all the time.

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Tough.

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Yep.

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It's brutal.

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So this is about where I lost interest in the show.

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Makes sense.

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They continue to kind of mock Alex and then also get a little anti-Semitic.

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Hold on a minute, Tim.

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It doesn't sound like our guest is very grateful for the peace president.

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And we have a problem with that.

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That is our president.

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That's right.

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That's right.

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And we got a big problem with that on the show because they've done so many great things

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for us, like get us into this war and whatnot.

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That's the thing that I want to ask you about.

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They tell us you just listed this horrible situation that we're in and the arrogance,

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the hubris of thinking that we can quickly get out of it somehow, even if we declare

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victory and walk away.

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Well, it's a sunk cost fallacy at this point.

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Sure.

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We have no option but to continue going forward.

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My thing is, like they tell you that you have to be grateful for it, which is somehow

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not a fallacy this time because the foreign policy is so macabre and so insane, so grotesque

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that we look at it.

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Like you said, like, hey, just taking a break from doing the show today to recalibrate

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because it's all too much.

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It's not enough that it's happening.

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They don't even not tell you about it.

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They tell you that it's happening.

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They release hype edits of it.

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People doing football sacks and touchdowns.

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We sports.

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Yeah, I enjoyed that one today, right?

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Why don't you like your goo-slop recs?

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I don't get it.

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You know, we try to make it fun for you.

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You like football.

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We do a little football.

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You like Pokemon.

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I think they call it Pokemon.

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We do a little Pokemon and you're just never happy.

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This leads into like maybe a three minute dueling Trump impressions thing.

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And it's kind of weird because they used to be mad when other people would do Trump impressions

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and they used to love that shit.

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All of the stuff that they're mocking is exactly like what they loved.

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Yep.

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So that's fun.

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But they also repeatedly use that term gooey slop.

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I really that's, you know, that's one that's real bad.

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Yeah, that one says it all if you think about it.

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Well, it indicates taking something a little personally.

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Taking politics a little personally.

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I get like, I do not think that you can't criticize Israel.

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Sure.

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Obviously.

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Yeah.

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I think when your criticisms descend into throwing around terms like gooey slop.

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I've never heard that before.

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Right.

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Right.

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I think you're in a territory where it's like you're telling on yourself a little bit.

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Your feelings are evoked in this and you're not talking about politics.

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You're not talking about a government.

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The thing about a term like that, a slang term like that, is that in order for it to arrive,

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in order for it to congeal from the ether of this bullshit, right, it probably takes

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hundreds of hundreds of hundreds of conversations where you're being anti-Semitic

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till eventually you get something that's slightly cleverer.

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And that's what you wind up with.

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It's not that you didn't just like, oh, hey, I was just thinking about words and combining

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them together the other day and I came up with this really funny one.

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No, no, no, no.

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And I don't find it interesting.

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I also don't find it that edgy.

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I think that there's kind of a dead giveaway that they're all kind of chasing Nick Fuentes'

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star, his North star.

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And I think that there's an, I don't know if I want to put it this way, but Millie Weaver

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warned Alex and now he's kind of lost his son to doing an impression of a different

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racist.

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That is a good point.

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Alex could have avoided this and still been his son's hero instead of someone his son

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is clearly making fun of on his show while idolizing the baby Nazi that Alex really shouldn't

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have associated with to begin with.

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Nope.

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Man.

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Here's, okay, it's like me sewing.

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Ha ha ha ha ha ha.

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Me reaping.

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Oh, sad face.

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Yeah, that sounds about right.

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That's like all that we're live in.

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That's all that is when I look outside.

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That's it.

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Yeah.

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So I'm going in the Rex hole.

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Yeah, I'll see you later, buddy.

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Call me from the road.

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I'm gonna go watch 50 episodes of his dumb ass talk to this other friend of his.

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Oh my God.

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Who doesn't seem that great.

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I don't know.

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I think that there was a time when I definitely would have shied away from an episode like

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this because there's clearly familial and psychosocial dynamics that are being played

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out on here.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And they're not talking about it, but it's there.

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It's haunting this.

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Yeah.

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And I think it's inappropriate, but now I'm at the point where I think it's kind of funny

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and they're doing it to themselves.

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He put this out.

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It's not my fault.

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You know, it's interesting.

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We've had plenty of emails.

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We've had plenty of conversations, very kind ones with the wonks who have been like you

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guys being open and talking honestly about your mental struggles and illnesses and all

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of that stuff has been inspiring and has helped us to do the same for ourselves.

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Right.

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I can't imagine doing the opposite and having people be like, man, you guys being in denial

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about very obvious things has allowed me to divorce my wife.

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Well, me divorce her is a strong way of describing her leaving me with the kids.

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Mm hmm.

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And, you know, just as a kind of last thought, yeah, to put a bow on things, I don't know

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what times things were recorded.

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Sure.

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But there's a chance that Alex is almost dying on Tim Pool while his son is making fun of

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him with the guy who he fired.

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My son is talking shit about me.

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So that's an interesting confluence of events.

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Yeah.

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Anyway, we will be back.

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Indeed.

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We're going to keep putting stuff out.

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We'll theoretically be able to record even if I'm gone.

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But we have some episodes prerecorded, so things will go on as normal.

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But I'm excited to get out there.

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Yeah, I'm excited for you.

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I couldn't be happier.

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Thank you.

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Couldn't be happier.

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I'm excited for you.

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I couldn't be happier.

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Thank you.

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Could not be happier for you, buddy.

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And I would be lying if I didn't say that at least part of the excitement that I have

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is about telling you stupid things I'm doing.

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I couldn't be more delighted.

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Yeah.

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So we'll be back.

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But until then, we have a website.

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Indeed we do.

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It's knowledgefight.com.

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Yep.

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We'll be back.

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Until then, I'm Leo.

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I'm Leo.

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I'm DZX Clark.

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I am the mysterious professor.

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Woo!

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Yeah!

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Woo!

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Yeah!

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Woo!

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And now here comes the sex robots.

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Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

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Thanks for holding.

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Hello, Alex.

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I'm a first time caller.

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I'm a huge fan.

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I love your work.

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I love you.