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Hello Alex, I'm a fifth-time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.
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Knowledge fight
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I love you.
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Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight, I'm Dan.
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I'm Jordan.
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We're a couple dudes, like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a
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little bit about Alex Jones.
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Oh indeed we are, Dan.
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Jordan.
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Dan.
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Jordan.
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Quick question for you.
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What's up?
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What's your bright spot today buddy?
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My bright spot, well look, I love to open the door for people.
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I love to, you know, go last, but this March, and so that means I'm going first.
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You have to.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Tradition.
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Now look, this is corrective.
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Okay.
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I'm going first.
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Alright, I think I was a little too positive about Survivor.
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Oh boy.
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I think.
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Wow.
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I think that I was a little too down on myself for being down on Survivor.
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Right, right, right.
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Cause like, okay, there's this guy.
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This is a real rollercoaster of emotions you're on here.
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There's this guy on the season, Christian, who was on season 37, and he was a fan favorite,
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he's great.
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Sure.
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He's a robot engineer nerd, and he made friends with Johnny, Johnny Wrestling.
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No, Johnny Wrestling is Johnny Gargano, Johnny Nitro, Johnny Drip Drip is John Morrison.
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Okay.
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It was fun, the two of them made friends.
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Sure.
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Anyway, Christian the robot nerd is back on this season.
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Yeah.
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And he pooped his pants, and they made a big deal out of it.
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Sure.
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Now here's my problem with this.
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Yeah.
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I think they're all probably pooping their pants quite a bit.
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Okay.
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Right?
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Who made a big deal out of it?
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The producers?
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The show, yeah.
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But not the people, not the tribe.
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Oh no, they were laughing at him a bit.
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Yeah, but you would expect to be laughed at a little bit.
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I would assume maybe the first instance of a poo-
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Oh, is he pooping his pants a lot now?
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No, it just happened this one time in the show.
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Well then yeah, this is strange, strange circumstances, you shit yourself, that's fine.
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Your diet is fundamentally changing.
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Absolutely.
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You're exerting yourself more.
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Anyway, I think that the show went out of its way to quirk it up with him as like, oh,
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I shit my pants, blah, blah, blah.
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And it made me like him as a character less.
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And that was the producer's fault.
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Yeah, I think you're right.
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And so that is why I'm taking a little bit of a-
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Yeah, I accept no judgment for that.
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The number of people I've seen poop their pants for way less good reasons, way less
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good reasons.
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Yeah.
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No, and I didn't judge them.
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And they were in the alley in Chicago.
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Yeah, and if it happens every season, like why are we dwelling on it in season 50?
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Come on, these people are shitting.
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Come on.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, what's your bright spot?
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My bright spot is a follow up on my bright spot a couple weeks ago, the World Baseball
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Classic.
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Classic.
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In full flow, fantastic.
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You loving that crack?
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It's going great.
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Oh man, Schwarber, my favorite baseball player, it just cracked it out of the park.
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What about Shohei?
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Well, Shohei's playing for Japan right now, so you see how it works, right?
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Right, but he's still your favorite baseball player.
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Obviously, but that's like saying God's my favorite God.
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They're supposed to only be one, ostensibly.
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Shohei is your favorite, but temporarily you have to act like he's not because he's playing
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for a different country.
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He's playing for Japan, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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That's fine.
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And you know me, I'm as jingoistic as they come.
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Yeah, you love them.
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I love them.
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But the best part of the World Baseball Classic, as I told you, was the number of people who
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should not be playing professional baseball with professional baseball players.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And it is astonishing, because Aaron Judge is on the Team USA.
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He is six foot eight, he weighs like 280 pounds, and it is all muscle.
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He looks fucking insane next to some of these guys who are like five foot four, who are
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the biggest guy in their hometown.
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It is crazy to see these two back to back.
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It's fantastic.
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What position does he play?
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Judge?
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He's an outfielder.
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That big?
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Oh.
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That seems...
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Oh, he's a...
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You know how linebackers used to be the faster big guys, but now you see defensive linemen
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weigh 350 pounds and run like four four?
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He's like that.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Been a while since I've watched baseball.
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God, he's huge.
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I just picture them as much tinier dudes.
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No, he's the home run, non-steroids version.
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Although when you look at him, you're like, people have to do steroids to compete with
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that.
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If that's from being born, then in order to compete with that, I have to do steroids.
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So in a way, he kind of validates the steroid era.
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Interesting.
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Yeah.
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So who's your pick for the classic?
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Well, I mean, the last few games Japan has played, they look shaky.
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And they're probably...
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They won last year in a fantastic close.
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You don't think Otani can just carry them on his back?
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I mean, that's the question, because Team USA is stacked.
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They have the best team by a margin that is hard to quantify.
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It's crazy how good their team is.
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So I'm hearing basically that it's going to come down to US and Japan.
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Probably.
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To you.
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That's your prediction.
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Yeah, but I mean, that's the way it's come down the last time in...
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The last 50 years.
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Basically there are two nations that fucking love baseball.
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And they're the two that wind up winning the World Baseball Classic.
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Isn't that crazy?
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Well, I hope you enjoy it.
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I hope it's a good time.
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It is.
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I hope that your two favorite players have to go up against each other.
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Me too.
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And get torn.
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Oh, it'll be great.
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So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.
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And if you look at the calendar, if you look at the clock, you might notice that something
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has happened, and that is March 7th has come and gone.
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And it appears that InfoWars is still in business.
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And hasn't gone under like Alex predicted.
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Wild.
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But it's still a weekend when we're recording this.
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Who knows what devil relies in the weekend.
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Maybe they just couldn't get enough people to work on the weekend.
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They gotta wait until Monday.
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Right.
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That happens.
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So I don't wanna overcommit to something like, ah, Alex is gone.
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Sure.
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He's out of business.
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So I thought, hey, let's just go way off the beaten path.
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Alright.
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And we're gonna do something different.
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Alright.
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Today.
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But first, before we get to that, let's take a moment to say hello to some new wonks.
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Ooh, that's a great idea.
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So first, a sudsy soliloquy.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Next Taliban Tim, you have seven days.
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Your dog peed on my bed.
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Thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And Andrew Beefcake, thank you so much.
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You're now a policy wonk.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Thank you very much.
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Thank you.
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And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan.
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So thank you so much to Welcome to World Benjamin.
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So sorry you'll soon know Alex's voice as well as your own parents.
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Thank you so much.
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You are now a technocrat.
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I'm a policy wonk.
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Four stars.
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Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.
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Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop.
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Daddy shark.
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Bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp, bomp.
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Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.
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He's a loser.
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Little, little titty baby.
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I don't want to hate black people.
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I renounce Jesus Christ.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you very much.
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So we're gonna talk about Alex being on another show here in a moment.
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But before I reveal what that is, he said something that I think is a perfect summation
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of his career that I'm going to present as an out of context drug.
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That sounds like bull because it is.
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Yeah.
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Well, there you go.
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That's I think 1100 episodes in I can say there's nothing quicker to help you understand
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this dumb fuck than that.
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Yeah, if it sounds like bull that's because it is.
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Done.
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So Alex was just on Duncan Trussell's podcast, the Duncan Trussell Family Hour.
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Duncan Trussell.
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Yeah.
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Same Duncan Trussell?
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New and improved.
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The one I know?
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I mean physically.
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I mean I guess his cells have reproduced since the last time you thought about him or saw
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him.
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Yeah, every seven years.
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The boat of Theseus has changed all of his blood.
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There you go.
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Maybe it's how it works.
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And maybe he was never real to begin with because he could be a hologram or phantom
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or something.
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That sounds like something he would say, yeah.
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Yeah, exactly.
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So I used to love Duncan Trussell.
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Yeah, that was fun.
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Back in a time when Joe Rogan's podcast really was just drunk or stoned comedians telling
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mostly untrue stories, Duncan was the one who seemed the coolest to me.
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Rogan himself was a jock and he seemed like the type who was prone to violence.
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Joey Diaz was a creepy old dude who clearly didn't respect other people's boundaries,
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but could tell an amazing mostly untrue story.
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God, he could tell a great story.
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Bert Kreischer was an aging alcoholic who seemed like he'd be fun to party with for
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a night and he could tell an amazing mostly untrue story really well.
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But past a day, I don't know if I want to be around that.
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Nope, too many times to see a man take a shirt off.
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Ari Shafir seemed like a bully and for the most part Tom Sakura seemed fine, but whatever.
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But Duncan was different.
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I'm not sure I've ever seen him do a set of stand-up and if I have, I certainly don't
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remember his material.
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I don't think I've heard him say anything that's particularly funny, and honestly most
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of his stories about drugs are the kind of stories that could be true and untrue at the
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same time.
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Like a Hunter S. Thompson piece.
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Sure.
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You're like, I get it, you're accurately describing the feeling of being high, but the details
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that you're using are heightened and not true.
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Even though I wasn't actually sure what it was that Duncan did that was so great, it
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was clear to me that he felt special.
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And maybe he was.
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It seemed like he could be one of Rogan's friends who'd be able to transcend the downfall
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of his orbit.
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It was looking good for a little bit.
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But the other day, Duncan released an episode of his podcast, The Duncan Trussell Family
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Hour, with his guest being Alex Jones.
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Joe won't have Alex on at this point, so it's pretty hard not to see this as Duncan picking
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up scraps, which on its own is pretty sad.
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It's a bad look.
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Having followed Duncan's career super closely for the past years, this is not a marquee
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moment.
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You know, here's the thing about Duncan.
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Here's the thing about Duncan.
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From time to time, he can trick you into wanting to make excuses for his inability to think
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clearly on his behalf.
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So my instinct, my initial reaction to this is like, what is it that Duncan is missing
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that allowed him to do this?
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But he wasn't missing anything.
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That's bullshit.
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No.
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That's an illusion.
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Duncan knows what he's doing.
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The premise that you've introduced to your understanding of Duncan is incorrect.
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It is.
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He knows what he's doing.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And this, I don't know.
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This was a...
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Look.
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There's a lot of times.
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I can listen to a whole Patrick Bette David interview.
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I didn't make it through this.
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I believe you.
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I can't imagine listening to...
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First off, I can't imagine listening to Alex talk to Duncan Trussell, but I really can't
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imagine listening to Duncan go off on his bullshit while Alex is trying to tag team
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with him.
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Yeah.
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There was a part of it that I still thought Duncan...
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He seems fun and that's part of the problem, but it's so boring.
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It just got so fucking boring, the two of them talking, that I had to turn it off with
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a little bit left in the episode.
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So I don't know if there's a big reveal at the end, but didn't make it.
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Anyway, here's where we start things off.
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Welcome friends.
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Before we dive into this important, perhaps the most important episode of the DTFH, I've
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gotta go through my dates.
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Won't you come see me in person?
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You can find me in Bloomington, Indiana.
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I wonder if Duncan even knew which episode he was recording this plug for when he called
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it the most important episode on his show.
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If he did, that's pretty funny, but I'll say that I kinda like hearing someone plug their
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live dates at the beginning of a show.
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That feels like what podcasting is for, for comedians.
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Trying to drive traffic to your live dates.
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This makes sense.
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Just the classic, traditional podcasting that we came of age with.
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It was shocking to hear, I guess, in 2026, because the beginning of so many podcasts
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are just long strings of ads.
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Yeah.
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And then the middle is whenever they do an ad and they announce their tour dates and
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then do another ad and then...
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So Duncan, he's hyping up this episode before it gets going, and I think it's something...
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I don't get his vibe, man.
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And now my friends, I continue a string of powerful, historic episodes of the DTFH.
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Just in the last few episodes, we have had Donnie Rothschild, Sion to the Rothschild
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empire.
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Abby Martin, who is single-handedly potentially going to take down the military industrial
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complex.
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Good luck.
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And now the icing on the cake in this trinity of glory, which is what I'm calling the last
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three episodes.
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Host of Infowars, host of the Alex Jones show, the man who's kept his ear on the satanic
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railroad track, that the Illuminati rides their little demonic choo-choo train back
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and forth from hell on.
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Alex Jones.
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Duncan really can only give this introduction if his awareness of Alex is surface level,
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which is the ultimate irony about the character that he plays himself.
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That is this, like, oh, I gotta get to the bottom.
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I see through the bullshit.
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You're giving like a cookie cutter mainstream media-ass version of Alex.
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Yep.
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You believe is real.
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He's supposed to be a psychonaut who sees through the illusions of the world.
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He's not just someone who takes a headline at face value.
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He's supposed to be deeper.
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But any engagement with Alex's career and what he does wouldn't allow you to look at
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him as a guy who's kept his ear to the satanic railroad or whatever the fuck he's saying.
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That impression of Alex is really only possible if you take in Alex's marketing and accept
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that without much further questioning.
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I don't know enough about Abby Martin to speak on her too much, but I'm pretty sure she's
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not going to take down the military-industrial complex, and Donnie Rothschild is a fake character
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that Trussell has on his show who pretends to be a part of the Rothschild family.
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And this is where it gets kind of murky, and we need to view this with a little bit of
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caution because of humor.
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Duncan's presenting this as a powerful trio of guests and giving equal weight to Abby
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Martin, who's meant to be taken as a serious journalist, and Donnie Rothschild, who's a
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joke character.
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Including Alex in that trio makes a strange broth, and I think it's important to be clear
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up front that Duncan's still doing a show that aims to be funny, and that has to weigh
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in the evaluations of the things they say.
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I still think, you know, I can tell that he's not just putting on Alex for humor, but that
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trio is strange.
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Yeah, I mean, it suggests, like, and his...
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The problem I have is that preamble bullshit he uses for everything, you know, that like,
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oh, he searches for the Illuminati of...
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He says that about anybody doing anything all the time.
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It's always about, I'm gonna put your stick through the veil and shit like that.
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And then to have, to even suggest that somebody would single-handedly take down the military-industrial
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complex is like, that has to be funny.
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I could see that as being an exaggeration or an embellishment of something he truly
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believes about her as a journalist.
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Right.
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That's the question.
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Is he mocking her?
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He can't be, but it would make sense.
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In order for the whole thing to make sense, she is actually the one who is taking the
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blow.
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Either he has to be making fun of her or he's taking Alex seriously.
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Yes, exactly.
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Who is in trouble here?
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Yeah.
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Oh boy.
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So, Alex, he's always wanted, or Duncan's always wanted to have Alex on.
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I believe that.
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Alex Jones, I gotta tell you right away, man, you are in my top three dream guests for this
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podcast.
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I've wanted you on this show for so long and thank you for keeping your time.
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Well, I wanted to come on.
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I'm a huge fan of yours forever.
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Thank you.
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Shut the fuck up.
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15 years ago with Joe.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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Oh, listen, you know, that's where I first met you was through Joe.
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In the flesh, but when I got to be friends with Joe, we go over to his house, get stoned,
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and we had like old school Info Wars, Alex Jones stuff on VHS, and we'd sit and watch
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it and just freak the fuck out.
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You know, I know Joe since like, I met him in 98.
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We had to know him as friends since 99, but he called in on 9-11.
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When I was sitting there, he blew up the towers.
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He was like, you're going too far.
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And I'm not criticizing, he said that, because it was the day of, but I'm always proud that
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Joe called in on 9-11.
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Wow.
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Pretty crazy.
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Wow.
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So if Duncan has had Alex as a dream guest forever, and it's only happening now in 2026,
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he should read a little bit into that.
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Alex has been on Joe's other friends shows in the past, so this should have been a pretty
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simple booking if he ever really wanted to do it.
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Yeah.
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I mean, for fuck's sake, Daria emailed us.
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Yep.
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How about Alex?
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Alex would like to come on your show.
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It was in 2018.
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Yep.
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You better believe it.
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Duncan could have had him on at any time.
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Yeah.
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Mm.
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I mean, God, this is, I'm a little taken aback.
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I'm on my back heels.
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Sure.
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I'm on my back heels here because I'm confused.
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I'm confused as to how this is going to go.
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I don't see these two jiving together.
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I see no possible way that either of them can like, yes and each other.
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Duncan is Duncan.
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And Alex is Alex.
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How?
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How?
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Well, it's like they say chocolate and peanut butter is two flavors that are meant to go
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together.
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Right.
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Peanut butter and piss.
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Yeah.
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I was going to say.
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They don't go well together, but they both serve a function.
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If you need to evacuate your urinary tract, this is the way to go.
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I suppose if you are in the post apocalypse and you come upon some peanut butter, sure,
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somebody peed on it, but that's still peanut butter.
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You know?
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And urine is...
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I completely fucked up my metaphor and I don't know how to make it, but I'm high as Duncan
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Truffle right now.
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So you have to forgive my mind.
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It is.
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It's like...
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But like they are, they do work together somehow.
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They meld, but it's bad.
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It's not entertaining.
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Their energies are off.
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But Duncan clearly is like really into Alex and Alex is fine with him.
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I think it's fascinating on two levels.
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First, clearly this is Duncan living out something from his past that he hasn't been able to
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get out of his head.
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Yeah, because when he and Joe used to get high and watch VHS tapes of Alex pretending
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to be a revolutionary, they were inspired by that.
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Absolutely.
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This is the guy that when he sees him, he sees 1998 Alex.
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That's who he thinks he is talking to.
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Which of course means that he has no idea what Alex's show has been for what?
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20 years?
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He's just bought the hype and whatever bullshit maybe Rogan's told him and kept this idea
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of that 98 Alex in his head.
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And that's kind of sad.
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And then the second thing is, if Alex is coming on his show now, that means that Alex thinks
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now that he is going to be welcomed in a more ideological manner by Duncan than he perhaps
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would have five or six years ago.
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That and he doesn't think he has the ability to get on other things.
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Sure.
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This is the ceiling.
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This is available.
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Yeah.
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Duncan starts off the interview and I think Alex gets weirdly defensive about something.
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I wonder if you could shed a little light on how you got on this path.
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Because I was doing some research on you, saw your dad was a dentist, you're a football
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player and I'm trying to picture, and you and I, we're the same age.
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So we have the same sort of memories as far as global events go and stuff.
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I'm thinking back when I was in high school and you meet somebody, they derail you, they
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introduce you to music or whatever.
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Who introduced you?
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Who is the first person who started showing you that maybe things aren't exactly the way
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the news makes them seem?
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Well, I don't know what you heard.
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I was a football player.
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I did play football until I was a sophomore and I was terrible.
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I was good enough to be on the team and get run over and get bones broken.
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You were a football player, man.
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You could see it.
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You could see it to this day.
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You've got the athletic thing going on.
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I was good enough to make the team and get run over.
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I was like, I can't believe I'm on this team getting my...
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I actually quit because I don't mind getting hurt for a reason, but I'm actually wimped
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out.
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Okay.
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Well, but where did they...
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They put me on varsity when I was a junior and I was being run over by huge black dudes.
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I was like, I've had enough of this.
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So I'm actually a huge pussy.
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I don't know where it got in the lore, but I played football.
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I did.
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It's not a constant thing, but Alex does talk about playing football a bunch on his show
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and he's even talked about a football coach that he had who was like into the New World
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Order stuff that he remembers back.
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He was like, oh, my favorite teacher.
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Oh my God.
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Alex is strangely defensive and I think it's because of nerds versus jocks.
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I agree.
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I think that's exactly what he's doing right now.
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I think he thinks that if he admits to being a football player, he is Duncan's enemy in
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an 80s movie.
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100%.
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That is...
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It feels his psychopathy like triangulating.
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Oh, no, no, no.
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I need to be not the physical imposing Alex to Duncan.
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Otherwise that's going to adjust our dynamic.
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I can't be threatening to this dork.
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Because he is a smaller fella.
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Yeah.
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Also, if you hear like a lot of breathing, that's Alex.
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Yeah, that sounds right.
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Yeah.
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It's not us.
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There's unsettling heavy breathing that Alex does throughout this.
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I think Duncan's question is an interesting one.
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You can have a friendship that sets you on a course.
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I wonder if we should be doing interviews on behalf of Alex because you're not going
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to get a real answer from Alex.
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We could give a more accurate answer.
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I think it would be fascinating if someone could trick Alex into doing an interview and
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then ask us the same questions and then air them back to back.
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Yes.
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That would be interesting.
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Yeah.
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But the question is, I think if Alex were to actually answer it, interesting.
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Some friend that you had who opened your mind.
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Totally.
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But instead, Alex is just kind of the standard stuff.
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Yeah.
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Family was in intelligence, blah, blah, blah.
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I grew up in Rockwall, suburb of Dallas.
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And my dad was a dentist and my mom had like a degree in history and was a homemaker.
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But I've told this story before, but maybe you didn't know it.
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People always go, oh my God, he's a spy.
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No, I mean, I had, my mom's brother was in Iran, contrary, was Army Special Operations.
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And then I had some other family out of World War II that had done stuff in World War II.
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And they were always talking bad about the government and the plan for world government
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and all this stuff.
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So it was kind of background noise just growing up, hearing about this stuff.
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And so I think that kind of primed me.
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I didn't really have an interest in politics until we moved out here when I was about a
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junior in high school.
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And my dad sold us to the law enforcement system.
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We moved down to Austin.
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And Waco happened right after that.
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And then we were just watching the news, all this stuff was happening.
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Can I stop you on Waco, please?
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No.
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This is already a lie because we know that by the time Alex was a junior in high school,
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he'd already been a Satanist for a brief stretch.
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And he was turned on to the New World Order from reading None Dare Call It Conspiracy
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when he was 12.
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Plus God gave Alex a huge download that told him his future as a child.
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And he was crafted in the womb as a weapon against the devil.
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So this whole, I didn't have an interest in politics until I was 17 shit is dumb.
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And Duncan's just gobbling it all up.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I suppose this is something that most people don't think of, which is the idea that
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when I am interviewing this person, they are giving me completely different answers than
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when they're talking to one of their own.
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That boggles my mind how many people don't realize that when you're not one of his group,
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so you don't count to him.
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You're just an outsider.
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You are at best a conduit to whoever listens to your show.
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Exactly.
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You are a infection point to me as opposed to someone who I actually am taking seriously.
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Right.
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Like you would assume if you were seeing a person who is Alex, Alex looks like a human
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being, you would be like, well, at least the answers would be similar from one place
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to another.
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Sure.
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There's little flourishes.
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Sure.
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There's little differences, but the idea of like, Oh, well, this guy is going to tell
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me this, but, and then he's going to go to the next room and say that he was told it
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by God.
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Yeah.
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No one has perfect consistency, but like overarching thematic lying is it's a telltale sign.
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Yeah.
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And that is the second part.
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He is not telling you the truth, even though you might feel like, Oh, this is the, this
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is the truth.
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And he doesn't tell the truth on his other show.
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Right.
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Cause that's the crazy one.
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This is whenever he's talking to the reasonable person.
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Here's a twist.
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Yeah.
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Both are not true.
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Yep.
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Exactly.
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None of it's true.
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It's not like one has to be true.
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Nope.
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They can both be lies.
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They can both be lies.
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He's lying to you and lying about God.
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He's just a liar.
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Yep.
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I was interested though, that, uh, that, uh, Duncan was like, Hey man, what about that
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Waco?
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Let's talk Waco.
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Let's talk.
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Let's talk Waco.
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I was interested in like, what is his question going to be?
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We're so early in the interview.
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Can I stop you on Waco please?
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Because I don't know, like this is something that occurred to me and it's really crazy.
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You are at Waco with Bill Hicks.
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Bill Hicks went up there to film some stuff and Timothy McVeigh, you, Timothy McVeigh,
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Bill Hicks, and obviously Koresh were at Waco at the same time.
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Now you're the only survivor of those four, you know, they're, they execute Bill Hicks,
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pancreatic cancer, but I just think about how, how come someone hasn't just made a movie
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about those days when people were coming up there to, to see this horror that was happening,
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to see this thing that was probably confirming for you all that background noise that you
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were hearing.
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Just to be clear, I had just gotten out of high school.
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And so I was here in Austin and I did go up there and talk about, but I hadn't even gotten
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in media yet.
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So I technically was there right after it happened.
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Right, not right when it blew up, but like the days after.
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And so it was bizarre that was going on.
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And then I met Kevin Booth, who I met Joe Rogan through a comedy producer and he'd been
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Bill Hicks' producer.
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And so that's where that crazy rumor started that I'm Bill Hicks, which is hilarious.
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Which is a huge compliment.
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I'll tell you, I don't think I'm going much like him though.
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I know one late night I went down that rabbit hole.
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I'm looking at pictures of you and Bill Hicks and you know, cause you are funny.
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I mean, that's one of the things that's really interesting about you.
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You're kind of like a Gonzo journalist.
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You're some kind of like combination of like, Oh God, Hunter S. Thompson.
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You've got some Hunter S. Thompson in you, but you're a journalist.
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You're a journalist.
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You're a hard worker too.
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I can't imagine what your schedule is like.
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This is the Duncan Trussell difference.
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This is why he's good at this shit because he's a real idiot, but he seems relatable
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and fun.
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Yeah.
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There's so many documentaries that have been made about Waco and the aftermath and Alex's
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producer Mike Hanson even shot a bunch of stuff about Alex getting involved with helping
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rebuild the church.
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But there might not be a documentary that focuses on the fact that Alex Jones, Timothy
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McVeigh, David Koresh and Bill Hicks were all there at the same point.
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Yeah.
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Maybe.
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I don't have a crazy piece of trivia to think of, particularly if you're stoned, but I'm
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not sure if it means anything and that's where Duncan Trussell shines.
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That's the sweet spot.
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Yeah.
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It doesn't mean anything but blow.
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Not sure it means anything, but also it blows my mind is what Duncan Trussell is here for.
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He's so intensely likable and has such a fun vibe that you start to evaluate the stuff
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he's saying with a diminished expectation.
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It's the soft bigotry of diminished expectations.
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I told you.
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Because you don't have the same demand that a psychonaut like him who's done every drug
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imaginable be able to keep his thoughts organized.
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You just enter it with a like, alag of this, you might as well be a fucking muppet.
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It is bothersome to me just how much you have revealed that I think he's a fucking muppet.
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Yes.
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The game that Duncan plays is one of selective curiosity and I don't really fault it too
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much, but also I think it needs to be understood for what it is.
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He's so curious, like a little puppy, about things that are fun for him to think about,
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like whether or not Alex is Bill Hicks or if four people being at Waco is suspicious.
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But he's not really all that curious about other stuff that's inconvenient or not fun,
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like whether or not Alex is a gonzo journalist.
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If you question whether Alex is Bill Hicks or if those four people being at Waco means
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anything, you get nowhere.
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It's masturbatory questioning and curiosity, which is fine to engage in.
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It's fun.
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It's what people do.
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It's kind of socializing and a lot of creative shit pops out of that kind of mental play.
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So I understand why people do it.
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I don't think it's wrong.
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Nope.
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Conversely, if you question the premise of whether or not Alex is a gonzo journalist,
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that isn't a question that goes nowhere.
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He has a long track record that we've been exploring for years and it doesn't hold up.
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If Duncan began to question his faith in the illusion of Alex, it would be threatening
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to his sense of fun.
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Because what if he learns something about him being a malevolent racist?
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What does it mean about how important Alex was in shaping his conspiracy brain once he
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learns that new piece of information?
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What does it mean about Joe Rogan's decades-long friendship with him when he realizes Alex
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is full of shit?
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He's not curious about that.
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He's curious about fun stuff.
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Even scary stuff is fun, like a horror movie.
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Like how there's demons that walk among us.
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That's fun still.
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Yeah, it is another example of how...
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What I've learned over our years is how everybody either wants to believe the bullshit or requires
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belief in the bullshit to make their money.
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And that's, you know, media matters.
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Requires belief in the bullshit to make their money off of him.
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He requires his bullshit to make the money off of him.
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But Duncan Trussell, it's more fun to believe that there is a Hunter S. Thompson out there
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doing Alex Jones shit.
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It doesn't... he doesn't need it.
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And I don't think...
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I don't know if I have this clip even or not, but at one point he even is saying it's more
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fun to believe that people at Bohemian Grove are doing satanic rituals.
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Absolutely.
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There's a desire that people have.
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I honestly think a lot of that is because we want to feel like we're living in a fictional
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story and we have archetypes from media that we grew up liking that are much more fun to
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project onto things than like, oh no, it's just some asshole who wants to make a couple
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more dollars.
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Yep.
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Yeah, I mean, that's... it is not hard to understand why people don't look directly
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at it.
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We look directly at it.
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We make our fun out of it.
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But to suddenly reveal that that guy that you have spent 25, 30 years with, that you
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got high and listened and read and was like, oh, is he Bill Hooks?
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To just be a racist propagandist.
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And take it even a step further.
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The only reason you even really have a career is because of your mutual friend, Joe Rogan.
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He has supported this guy.
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How threatening is that to your identity?
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You used to get high and watch this guy's tapes with the guy who is now the most famous
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podcaster in the world who has a bunch of fucking weirdo billionaires on and probably
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swung the last election.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it is a different version of the very same boys club network that protects
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abusers in all forms and fashion.
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It's that same thing of like, well, sure, maybe I know he was an abuser, but my job
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relies on him.
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So if I just look over here, then maybe I don't know that he's an abuser.
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Yeah.
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You know?
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This is looking the other way, but it feels a little bit more fun because it has like
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psychedelics and sort of, ooh, magic spells.
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But that's how we know.
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That's where he's the most dangerous is whenever he's taken out of his Nazi world and allowed
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to pretend to be with Duncan.
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I would agree.
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So Duncan asks Alex about Waco and I think that I would love to hear more about it, but
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instead, Alex just talks about his own career on public access.
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But tell me about those days you were up there in Waco witnessing the smoldering ruins of
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this like home where I don't know how many kids were incinerated by Janet Reno.
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I just got out of high school and Access TV started in Austin in New York.
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They debate where it started first, like 40 or 45, whatever it was, long time ago.
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And so there were all these activists that were doing their own things and shooting interviews
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and stuff.
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And I was going down the route of high school right as it happened, wanting to be involved.
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And so we'll just get in this van with us.
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We're going up there and we're talking to survivors, the few they just let out of jail
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and we're going after the site and it's still black and they're like, look, they say they
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didn't use CS tear gas, but here's the illegal canister.
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And Wesley Clark, the former attorney general, you know, and her famous presidents is showing
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up and it's like this murder scene.
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And they're going, yeah, the Delta Force was over here.
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And I'm like 18 years old hearing all this.
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And it was all so people asked how I got involved.
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It was so exciting.
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It wasn't watching a Marvel comic movie.
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It wasn't some fantasy thing.
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To me, I didn't understand any of it.
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I was just, I wanted to get into media.
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I was right out of high school and I went to the community college and stuff, but they
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were after that.
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But it was like, they were teaching me like 30 year old stuff from RTF, radio television
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film.
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So everybody said, go do an access show.
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And so I had run out of high school by 93 for taking the classes by 94, gotten on air
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and we're still trying to find those original tapes.
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We have tapes back to 95, but back then it was like a show once a month.
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So it was literally just me, a young kid trying to figure out, you know, and, and, and kind
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of then everybody said, Oh, this guy's a great liberal because I was against the police,
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the military burning down at church and I was anti-war.
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And so I kind of got in with the cool libertarian liberals, which really don't really exist
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much anymore.
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Right.
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Cause they're Nazis!
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They were anti-war, they were all homeopathic vitamins, anti-vaccine.
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And so I resonated with that whole group in Austin, which quite frankly, I look back on
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it was a bunch of basically like hippies.
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Right.
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That's it.
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But a lot of them had like businesses or doctors or city council members, but they were cool
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liberals.
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So not really hippies.
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Like the old school liberals.
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Yeah.
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So not really hippies.
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Rich people.
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Yeah.
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Yuppies.
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Yeah.
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Who let you get high in their backyard.
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Yeah.
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Huh?
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Because people who are uptight kind of suck.
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That's what Duncan knows.
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That is true.
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So I thought that, I mean, I think that question reveals a little bit about how Alex felt early
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in his career that is close to around Waco, but it doesn't give us much insight into what
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it was like to be at Waco.
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No.
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And I think that's a good sign that like, okay, this is going to be about yourself.
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You're going to just take an interesting question and make it personal.
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Yeah.
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It would be like, but listen, if there were cool stories about him being at Waco, he would
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tell those cool stories.
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There probably aren't.
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Exactly.
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If he's not telling a cool story, he's not even bothering to make up a cool story about
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what would be objectively a cool thing, at least in 2026, to be like, I was there.
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Here was the feeling.
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Here was the smell.
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We went to dinner afterwards.
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There was a coffee place.
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There was all this stuff that you could feel the smoke in your nostrils at the coffee place.
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You know that kind of shit.
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No, he's complaining about how community college RTF education isn't up to date enough.
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He's talking about community college and not Waco.
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So he doesn't have any cool stories about Waco.
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I would think not.
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Yeah.
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He veered into complaining about the left and liberals.
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The left.
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They're the worst.
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But back then liberals were pretty cool actually.
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Well, yeah, they're, you know, and that's a kind of, that's something that we've all
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witnessed is this bizarre mutation of liberals into somehow they're now kind of into war.
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They like liberals were always the guys that knew about esoteric and hallucinogens in war
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and they can also shoot a gun and they were fun and they were like intellectuals.
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And then it became like cult members bots to just nuke Russia, you know, cut kids dicks off.
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Right.
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It's one of the strangest things.
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And you know, I think that what probably almost fiction is just the evolution of the machine
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that you have been so talented at outlining that it figured out a way to not resist.
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But to co-op its main opposition.
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That's it.
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That's it.
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And it's the most sinister fucking thing.
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Well, Joe, he talks about it because he saw the documentary I made when they really got
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the left was WTO 1999.
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You have a hundred thousand liberals out saying we're not handing over our sovereignty in
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the world trade organization, U S sovereignty.
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They were out there.
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And so they hired Antifa to attack the police.
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Right.
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So they would have an excuse.
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Antifa?
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Right.
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The rest of the peaceful people.
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And then, and then the left kind of the NGOs kind of capitulated and then, you know, the
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liberal organizations just bowed down.
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But the ACLU used to defend the KKK marching.
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Right.
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And they said, Hey, but I agree with the video.
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Now they don't.
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Right.
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And that was the start of that.
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Right.
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Right.
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Nailed it.
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So this clip was the first point where I didn't believe that Duncan met what he was saying
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up to this point.
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I could believe that he was diluted and just didn't really know what Alex's show was actually
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like, but this is impossible to come off as sincere.
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Yeah.
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It's great to complain that there's a strain of liberal that's lost their connection to
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what liberal values really mean.
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And I have zero problem with making fun of them.
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However, to be in the world that we're in with the GOP becoming what it is, to be sitting
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across the table from a guy who would cry on air about how much he loved Trump and to
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primarily be focused on how liberals are all bots now is just fucking embarrassing.
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One of the problems that we run into is that Alex is supposed to transcend the left right
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paradigm and a big part of that marketing campaign is blurring the lines of what left
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and right even mean.
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One of the pillars of Alex's conservative ideology is a belief in the free market, but
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now he supports Trump's very obvious manipulation of markets all over the place.
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He's supposed to believe in state sovereignty as a bedrock of the Constitution, and now
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he's totally fine with Trump using federal power against states because he didn't mean it.
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There is no left right to him because those words don't have meaning.
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I want to extend Duncan as much grace as possible, but it's really hard when he has these criticisms
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of the left while interviewing Alex.
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Having the awareness of Alex that I do, it's impossible for that to come off as anything
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other than complete incompetence or willful deception.
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It's not cute, dopey, fun guy.
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Here's the thing.
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What's immediately disqualifying to everything that Duncan Trussell believes or is saying
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or will say is that Alex is like, hey, listen, you should cover up the Epstein files.
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If Alex was any...
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Well, he said that on his show.
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If Alex was any of this intrepid journalist bullshit, then he would have to at the very
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least say, I want you to release all of the names.
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And if you're going to cover it up, just shut up and let me take care of it because I am
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a Trump media surrogate.
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Exactly.
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So once that happened and Duncan is ignoring it or does not know about it, it renders everything
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that he believes to be meaningless and to be bullshit and a lie.
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So whatever he is aware of is malicious in intent.
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Yeah, like Rogan having Peter Thiel on or that kind of shit.
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You know they're evil.
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You know what you're doing.
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They're comic book villains.
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And it's that point of you either know what you're doing or you are so dumb that the stupidest
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people are conning you.
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And I have lost all ability or all faith in your ability to tell the difference.
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Yeah, no.
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It is like I don't think we should live in an excusing it because it's so stupid world.
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Like you are dumb enough to disqualify yourself from having your own show.
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You cannot be on your show.
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You're too dumb.
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No, but that's not true.
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You can do your show.
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Just be fun.
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Right.
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Talk about mushrooms and stuff.
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I mean this show.
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You can't do this show.
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You can do a show.
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This is just no good.
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Don't talk to Alex.
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Why doesn't anybody do painting shows anymore?
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You can do a painting show as a fucking idiot.
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Maybe shirtless around a fire.
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Right?
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That'd be great.
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With a little Duncan Trussell on your shoulders?
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Yeah.
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Hey, hello.
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Look at me, I'm high.
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So Duncan, he's correct in this feeling of like people are trying to manipulate you online.
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Sure.
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And he discusses that it just doesn't feel right.
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The term Orwellian, it gets used too much these days, but I think if George Orwell saw
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what the current surveillance state looks like.
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You see my prediction came true.
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I think he'd say, holy fuck, it would be better to live in that world that he wrote.
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Because then it's so far.
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You know it's there.
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This shit that's happening right now is so subtle that you don't even know for sure what's
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real anymore.
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But there's, I think most people have a sense that they're being nudged.
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Every time you go online, you're being nudged by the algorithm a little bit.
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You know when you get around NLP, neurolinguistic programming?
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You know you get around one of those motherfuckers.
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You tell them and they're talking.
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Obama does it.
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Yeah, he does, doesn't he?
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Holy shit.
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You get a weird feeling around them.
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Well, I catch myself like being hit with like, cob, a snake, and jungle bug.
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I'm like, I know this is bullshit, but God, it sounds good.
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Yes, yes!
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You're like, ahh.
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But it's all, it's like, it's a gross feeling, man.
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It's like when a dude puts his hand on your lip.
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It's that sense of like, what the fuck are you doing?
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And so that's what it feels like right now going online.
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You're getting some kind of conditioning whether you want it or not.
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Maybe it's not from a state entity, but from the corporate.
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It's an easy solution for this feeling that Duncan's describing is, stop living online.
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If he feels like everyone's nudging him on Twitter, that's because they are.
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Elon created a literal monetary incentive for everyone to post the most nudging content
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they can come up with.
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And so this is the end result of where we're at.
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Just get off it.
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I had to.
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I had to.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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It's better for everyone to not be there.
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It really is.
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I think it's fascinating that the first example Duncan can come up with of something that
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doesn't feel right is a guy touching his leg.
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Yeah, that was a, that one.
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Anyone touching your leg when you don't want them to can be intrusive, but the fact that
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he makes his example something that evokes gay panic is wild.
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Yeah.
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He's a psychonaut.
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Yeah.
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He's done ayahuasca and communed with entities that are made of pure light and love.
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This guy isn't bound to earthly ideals of gender and sexuality.
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What the fuck is going on, Trussell?
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That wilded me out.
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Yeah.
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That wilded me out.
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My instant reaction was, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
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You never fucked a dude?
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What are you talking about?
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When that guy touches you, you just don't feel right.
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Whoa, at the very least you've had a couch make out sesh.
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Come on, man.
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I don't even get the fuck out of here.
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I have no pretense or care about that, but the person that he's presented himself to
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be with the like transcended experiences and all this shit, it's like, you can't, you can't
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do eighties comedy.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Either that or you know, that's what you're doing.
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Right.
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You're trying to pander and that's maybe sadder.
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I think if you removed the words and typed them up and gave them to a couple of actors
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sitting at a bar and had them talk, it wouldn't stress, it wouldn't bother me at all.
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That sounds crazy, but whatever.
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These two specifically should not be allowed to say the words they're saying based upon
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who they are.
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No, I mean, I think I feel like it's right in line for Alex.
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Well, yeah.
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Well, yes.
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Yeah.
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He's a homophobe of the highest order.
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He's a lying piece of shit.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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Duncan is, it's disappointing.
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I don't know.
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Anyway, there's one, there's one thing that I will give Duncan great credit for and that
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he, he recognizes that the information that he takes in is bad.
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Oh, okay.
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Good.
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I can't imagine what your sources are.
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Mine are shitty.
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I got 4chan to X, you know, I just look at like what's going like the most recent posts
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and 80% of the stuff on X is AI.
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So you're going to see they're firebombing Tel Aviv.
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It's not real.
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None of it's really go to the live stream of Tel Aviv.
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It's fine.
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But then you have ships sunk by missile.
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It's AI.
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It's AI.
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So it's pure signal jamming right now.
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We have no idea what's going on.
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You can't, if you go to the main.
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Well, the first rule of intelligence is whatever you first were told isn't true.
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Right.
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It's interesting how Duncan is aware that his sources are shitty, but he doesn't make
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the leap to realizing that Alex is one of his sources that is also shitty.
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If Duncan listened to Alex's show, he would know that most of the stuff he knows comes
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from the exact same shitty sources.
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And a lot of his supposed expert guests are just people who post a ton on those shitty
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sources.
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It's weird to have like what appears to be half awareness.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I suppose it's like for most of these people, they recognize that their job is,
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is their job.
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But ultimately one big part of their job is just being online, just being available to,
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to like snap off a thing, just always being available.
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And that drives you insane.
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Yep.
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You know, and the reliance on that for both like the, the way it fucks up your brain for,
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I need it to eat, but also I need it because I get the little boost of dopamine every time.
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And the way that these sites have made it so easily convertible into metrics.
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Yeah.
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And now the only people who like me seem to always be on those sites.
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That's the place that I find them.
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And the where those people who don't like me, I don't exist anymore.
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You know, like it drives you insane.
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It does.
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It drives you insane.
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The half awareness kind of makes sense in so far as like, I am crazy.
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All the places I get information from are shit.
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And now I'm talking to a guy who I get a lot of, or I view as someone who has given me
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a lot of information.
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Yeah.
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She recognizes maybe shit.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So Alex, his voice is bad and he's been breathing pretty heavily.
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Yeah.
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And he explains that it's just allergies.
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Sure.
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So what is, what do you think is going on over there?
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What's your analysis of this?
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Well, you have to always go to original war doctrine, the Iranian war doctrine, Israel's
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war doctrine, the U S war doctrine, China's war doctrine, Russia's war doctrine, and the
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other parties involved in North Korea.
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And then out of that war doctrine, Rome and my source is already previously had, we knew
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what the plan was.
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Decapitate, you know, but these allergies at Austin.
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Yeah, I know.
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I'm sorry.
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It's probably crazy.
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Got some water.
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I'm all right.
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I got some coffee and water too.
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First they need to, uh, decapitate the Iranians, Iranian leadership, they destroy their air
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defenses and then destroy their main military and their Navy.
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So, so that's pretty much happening.
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But Trump said nine months ago in June, this is about, uh, about taking out their nuclear
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sites.
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That wasn't true.
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That was just getting us used to this.
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So Trump lied.
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Yeah.
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So you're a bad journalist.
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Gonzo.
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Yeah.
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When Alex was on Patrick Bet David show, it was laryngitis and now it's pollen.
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I have a very strong suspicion that Alex has something seriously wrong with a part of his
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body that involves his voice.
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I don't know what part of the body that would be, but his voice has been shot so consistently,
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even on his own show.
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And if it were an allergy thing, you would expect this is something that would happen
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annually, which isn't the case.
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I think it would be so fucking awesome if God took Alex's ability to speak away after
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he failed his test of going to CG enactment.
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That would make sense.
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If now this has just been a gradual, like immediately got throat polyps the moment he
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did that.
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And now we are in the next stage of that.
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Or the moment he lied about God having given him 200 pathetic dreams about it.
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It's like you are no longer allowed to speak.
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Yep.
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Slowly.
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I shall take from you the only thing that matters.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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I think that would be great.
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That's a pretty solid God move.
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That's traditional God.
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That's Old Testament shit.
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Or he just developed an allergy to pollen.
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I don't fucking know.
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Or he just has throat polyps.
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Yeah.
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Sounds terrible.
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Yeah, he does.
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So, Alex is talking about some new docs that got leaked.
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Some new CIA docs.
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The Epstein files that he's not interested in?
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No.
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Also, Trump's probably cool on that.
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Oh, okay.
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Cool.
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Well, that's-
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But no, these are important.
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These corporations want surveillance.
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Yeah.
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They want censorship.
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They want dumbing down.
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Well, if we're dumb, let's poison the public even more to make them under us even dumber.
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And that is what got declassified a week and a half ago.
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What's that?
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Operation Artichoke.
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What is this?
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We knew from the 77, 76 Frank Church committee hearings about Operation Artichoke, MKOMI,
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MKUltra.
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Yeah.
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But just the basics.
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They declassified all of it.
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Tulsi Gaverge did.
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And in it, it says in 52, we're going to put poisons in the vaccines to make people dumb.
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We're going to put poisons in the food and water like fluoride to lower their fertility,
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give them cancer, make them more manageable because Americans are too informed and too
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smart.
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And it's all been declassified a week and a half ago.
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Holy shit.
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And then when I hear the documents declassified, CIA files reveal chilling blueprint to manipulate
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Americans' minds through covert drugging.
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What the fuck?
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But it actually says it right there.
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Wow.
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This document that Alex is talking about titled Special Research for Artichoke is a real document
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and it does discuss possible avenues of research that could include putting chemicals into
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water supplies and even vaccines.
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It's a horrible glimpse into the 1950s research on interrogation methods.
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And I think it sucks that our country lives with the legacy of having done that kind of
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shit.
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But as far as Alex is concerned, this is not a newly declassified document.
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It was declassified in 1983.
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And New York Times even reported on this program after filing FOIA requests in 1978.
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Oh, like a journalist would.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Gonzo.
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Yeah, Gonzo.
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So all of this has attracted a bit of renewed attention because the document was added to
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the CIA's online reading room in 2025.
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Oh my God.
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The headline that Alex is reading is a Daily Mail article about the document from February
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26th, 2026.
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So because Alex doesn't know anything about this subject, he's pretending that it's covering
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a newly released document.
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And because Duncan's super gullible, he's just eating all of it up.
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Yeah.
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And going, holy shit, oh my God.
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Yeah, I mean, it makes me think that Duncan is a Muppet because I can imagine in my head,
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I do see him as a foam human just going, ah, like that.
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And that makes sense because otherwise you would have to assume that there was a thinking,
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breathing human being behind, what?
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Yeah.
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And I think that, you know, there are certain people who are more reactive than contemplative,
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let's say.
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Sure, sure.
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So I could see him being like, just I'm bouncing off.
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I'm doing improv with you or whatever.
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Yeah.
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But a little bit, you know, just after this, something happens that makes me call everything
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into question.
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Oh no.
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This episode of the DTFH has been supported by my friends at Square.
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Listen, I have profound ADHD.
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I lose my wallet every day.
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I don't know where it is right now.
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I have no idea.
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And you know, that sucks.
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And I know it's my fault.
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Don't worry.
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I'm in a constant shame spiral regarding the fact that I can't keep track of my fucking
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wallet.
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This is a multi-billion dollar payment processing company that was founded by Jack Dorsey, the
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guy who used to own Twitter.
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The company is owned by the person that Elon Musk had to buy Twitter from in order to save
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free speech and the world.
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Jack's partner in that business is a guy named Jim McKelvey, who's been on the board of the
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Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis since at least 2017 and was named their chair in 2023.
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So Alex Jones is a guest on a podcast hosted by a real cool lunatic who's also doing a
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paid ad read for the payment company owned by Jack from Twitter and a Federal Reserve
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banker.
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I see no conflict here.
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Also this whole like, oh, I forget my wallet.
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I was gonna say.
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Like, okay, so let's give all our data to this company.
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Are you supposed to be concerned about the surveillance state?
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The fuck is going on?
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How can you do this ad?
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I'm just gonna emotionally manipulate people with what I consider to be a very serious
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disability in service of pushing them to give this fucks more money.
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Great.
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Good stuff.
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You are, listen, I just think Duncan should be proud of himself.
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I think that that like idea that I had about someone being more reactive and like this
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Muppet floppy boop boop boop boop boop kind of fun guy who's bouncing around.
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I don't think that coexists with guy who's doing a kind of manipulative ad read for Square.
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Yeah.
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Um, you know, like that's cynical.
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I remember a time whenever we made fun of people who were mad about selling out, you
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know, cause it was like, listen buddy, whenever selling out was going to stop, it was long
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before we were bored.
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So you, but now it's like, fuck man, everybody's selling out way too hard.
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Yeah.
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That's too hard.
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And I know that you and I are people who have like, you know, problems with endorsing products
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or whatever.
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And, and maybe we have a position that's a little harder than a lot of folks who are
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very normal, what they would take.
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Right.
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I think that there is probably very defensible ads you can take.
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Sure.
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If you are Duncan Trussell, the payment money company that is run by Jack from Twitter and
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a federal reserve banker is not one of them.
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You could have that ad run on your show accidentally if they're auto-generated, but he had to sit
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down and read that.
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Yep.
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Like this is a choice.
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He was, he read it and then he probably had to reread it.
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So at the very least he went through it a couple of times, maybe did a couple of takes.
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So you have to assume that he read it and then went, I am okay with these words.
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I will say them again.
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Yeah.
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He either is okay taking money from that source or he doesn't care where his money comes from
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to the point where that's one of the places he's given it.
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Yeah.
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It is interesting to me.
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Like obviously there's no world where we expect people to hold themselves to our level of
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douchebaggery.
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You know, we're not going to be, I'm not judging anybody for that, but you can't also be Duncan
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Trussell.
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No.
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Like you have to choose one or the other.
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You can be the Duncan Trussell who's Duncan Trussell who doesn't take ads from evil billionaires
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and you get to go, I'm looking for the Illuminati.
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Or you're the guy who literally works for the Illuminati now.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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It's it, it, it, it tells you a little bit.
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Yeah.
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I think.
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Yeah.
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Man.
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Not so fun.
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People should.
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So they get back from their Jack from Twitter, new company, a commercial and get back into
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the real stuff.
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Awesome.
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Okay.
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I was looking into methods beyond chemicals, listing hypnosis, sensory deprivation, gases,
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and other psychological methods for interrogation and behavioral control.
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Artichokes served as a precursor to the CIS MK ultra program, which later broadened mind
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altering experiments on a larger scale.
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I just, I just don't think people, you know, this is about vaccines in there.
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This has gotta be something really frustrating for you and you've experienced it your whole
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life.
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I'm guessing, but I'll tell you.
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And I'm like 90% on board with a lot of what you talk about, man.
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But even now you hand me this, I know there was an MK ultra.
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I don't want to believe it.
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I don't either.
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Let's it's just, it's just crazy though, because they talk about vaccines, everything in there.
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I don't want to, but that's what I'm talking about is like built in to all of us is something
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where we have a knee jerk reaction to new information like that, which is the most unscientific
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reaction you could have instant rejection.
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Well, here's the deal.
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It's good to question things.
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I don't want to believe this either.
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I'm not want to think other people are nice like we are, but most people are.
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It's that a very small, like they admit like there's a proclivity for CEOs to be psychopaths.
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Yeah.
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So much higher level, maybe like one of the numbers, 1% of psychopaths or less, 30% of
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them are psychopaths.
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I'm going from memory, but, but it's just the fact that they're willing to do it.
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They gravitate to those positions.
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That's where people like us stop.
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You know, they talk about, you know, Bohemian Grove, the secret societies, the initiate,
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the initiations.
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There's the south, there's ritualistic initiations in the upper echelons, but there's like a
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primary barrier, which is, I think if you aren't a sociopath, if you aren't fine blowing
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people up, killing people, even if it's in a secondary or tertiary way, just being involved
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in some way with blowing people up, you're not going to get access.
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Nonsense.
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Just a bunch of nonsense, patting themselves on the back for not being in any clubs that
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they don't like.
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Yep.
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Yeah, you guys are great.
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So there's probably a bunch of people who hear Alex's stories and just reject them outright
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because they clash so much with their perception of the world, like what Duncan's describing.
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Sure.
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Then there are other people who are so desperate to have their minds blown that they'll pretend
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to question what he's saying without ever actually doing that work.
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The correct response to his shit is in the middle, which is to hear the kinds of stuff
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that Alex brings to the table and say, ah, that's pretty wild.
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What's the proof?
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If Alex is making insane claims and can back them up, they're no longer all that insane.
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However, if you take the proof he provides and find that he's misrepresenting stuff and
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he lies all the time, it doesn't inspire confidence to accept these insane stories.
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The absence of proof isn't proof itself because there's a great cover up or whatever.
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All positions deserve scrutiny.
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That's the only way you can tell if you really believe what you think you believe.
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So I respect giving conventional ideas the same scrutiny that you might give insane ones.
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I just don't think that the bar for what's considered evidence deserves to be lowered
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for insane ideas because that lets us feel like we're living in an insane, cool, exciting
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movie.
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Yeah.
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And I think that's the pathology we see here.
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Yeah.
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They just, they like listening to it is gross.
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It feels voyeuristic because I feel these two people so overjoyed with how fucking cool
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they are for not being like everybody else while at the same time embodying everything
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that they think they're not.
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Yeah.
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You know, like it is.
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And being interrupted by a square commercial.
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Yeah.
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It is, it is what I, it is gaslighting.
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It is genuinely gaslighting.
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I think there's a part of it that, that might be like a piece of why I didn't finish the
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episode.
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It's like, I just beyond boredom.
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There's also just like, fuck off.
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Fuck you.
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Yeah.
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You're supposed to be better than this man.
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I mean, they shouldn't be, God damn it.
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Like Alex should hate him.
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Alex should, Alex does hate him.
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Duncan should hate him.
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Yes.
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But here they are fucking lying about everything to each other and then to me.
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Yeah.
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That's unfair.
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Well, it reveals because of the not hating each other that maybe none of their positions
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are really as sincere as we want to believe them to be.
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Yeah.
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And for Alex, that's really easy to accept because he's.
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Yeah.
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He doesn't have real.
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No.
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No.
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And, but for Duncan, it sucks.
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It's harder.
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It's harder to swallow because he's kind of fun.
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Yeah.
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He's very likable.
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He's charismatic.
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He was on adventure times.
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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So anyway, Bohemian Grove came up.
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How they doing?
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And take Bohemian Grove.
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They admit it's real.
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Please.
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Last week they leaked the list.
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Yeah.
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A member from a year.
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And I want to be clear, I stuck at Bohemian Grove.
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It's a low level thing.
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It's high level leaks, but it's not, you know, uh, Kid Rock admitted he went there and he
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said, yeah, they asked me to come sing.
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I was a guest.
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Pretending to break into Bohemian Grove was such a successful publicity stunt for Alex
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that he tried to do it again on Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theory show.
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Sales of that VHS probably bought Alex's first house.
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And now he's out here on Duncan's show saying it's really low level.
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Anybody could be there.
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Yeah.
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Kid Rock was there.
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One of the reasons that Alex needs to do this is because he's now on the side of power.
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The other side is that that list of 2200 names did get leaked.
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And Alex has no idea who almost any of them are.
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It's not a who's who of the globalists that he's been talking about for years.
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It's a ton of names of probably pretty rich people that he's never heard of.
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A great example of someone who's on this list.
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This is a name.
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Dick's boring.
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Dick's boring.
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Mm-hmm.
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D-I-X.
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Boring.
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Dick's boring.
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Oh, oh.
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Okay.
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First name Dicks, last name Boring.
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Well then, okay, then I bet that's like some German or Sweden shit where it's like, uh,
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Dicks boring.
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Probably.
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Yeah.
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But not on the page.
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Not on the page, it's Dicks boring.
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Boo.
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So I was looking through that roster of names of Bohemian Club members.
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Yeah.
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And I think we might have a fan.
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All right.
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Because one of the names of the members of the Bohemian Grove.
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Okay.
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Daniel Jordan.
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And I will say-
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Oh shit, there's a Squatch coming back.
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God damn it.
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I thought we were free.
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Yep.
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In the names of members of Bohemian.
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I'll come, I'll do a show at the Grove.
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Yeah.
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I don't think I'll be there.
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No?
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I think I would have a rough time making out of there alive.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Pay up front.
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So Bohemian Grove, it's mostly just a gay thing and Duncan is disappointed in-
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I mean, it's not just like something that Alex basically made a career off of.
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So maybe if you made a career off of it, maybe you would have some interesting fun stories
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to tell.
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He does, but it's mostly just gay stuff.
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No, I guess it's just that.
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It's mainly a bunch of Republicans who are kind of stuck up and insecure and it's kind
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of a gay thing.
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It's disappointing, isn't it?
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When you realize that, man, you know, you snuck in there.
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I think you're the first person who snuck in Bohemian Grove.
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No.
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Then somebody else made it in a kayak, got up to the owl.
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Then you realize that owl, it's just like fiberglass.
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It's fiberglass.
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Yeah.
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So-
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It's like a pup-putt owl.
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You know, you look at the pictures, you want it to be, I mean, I don't want it to be-
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You want it to be like metal or stone or something?
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I want it to be a stone.
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I want it to be granite.
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I don't want it to be like they threw together some shabby thing.
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Exactly.
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So I'm the guy that in 2000 stuck in there and sure enough they did a Canaanite mock
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human sacrifice ritual and then I came out and then the media was like, I said, they
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were killing kids in there, they do a mock human sacrifice.
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And then now I explain, no, I don't think everybody that's there is actually part of
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a Satanism.
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It's so funny that Duncan is disappointed that the owl of Moloch isn't made from a respectable
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enough material.
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Right.
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That was supposed to be made from stone sourced directly from hell, cobbled together with
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a paste made of human blood.
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I think this is an accidentally amazing metaphor.
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Alex's career never would have gotten off the ground if he'd just said Bohemian Grove
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is mostly a gay thing and the owl is a cheap prop.
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If he'd just taken the piss out of the thing, no one really would have cared that much.
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In order to maximize his own gain, he had to overdramatize the thing he was covering,
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which forced him to make people think the owl was something much more than fiberglass.
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The disappointment that Duncan is expressing is a disappointment that the fantasy Alex
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sold him in those VHS tapes that he and Rogan would get high and watch was just a fantasy.
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Alex had the opportunity to cover Bohemian Grove as it was back in 2000, and even if
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Duncan doesn't realize it in this moment, what he's feeling is based in a kind of knowing
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that he's talking to the guy who scammed him.
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You created an image of this owl that is disappointing to me now.
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I don't appreciate the fiction that the owl represents unless it conforms to the fiction
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that I want to believe about the owl.
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Right, because of Alex.
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Because of Alex.
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Yeah.
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It's kind of hilarious.
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Yeah, I mean it is a microcosm of the deflation that these guys are.
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Just as they are, all they are is this big fucking bullshit balloon and if you pop it
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in a second it's all gone.
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Yeah, it's kind of like him, what the feeling is is like, ah, doesn't it suck that the truth
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about the lie you told me is boring?
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Yep.
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Yes.
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Doesn't it suck that they just kind of fabricated something and then maybe don't take it that
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seriously?
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And maybe just do gay stuff in the woods?
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Maybe you're the only person who is full of shit in this scenario?
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Hmm.
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Possibly.
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Or I won't acknowledge that or interrogate it.
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So Alex has said that they're not killing kids at Bohemian Grove.
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And Duncan's like, hey man, some of your audience isn't going to like you saying that.
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Yeah.
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Just because you go to Bohemian Grove, it's like going to a Pea Diddy party doesn't mean
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you're Pea Diddy.
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Right, exactly.
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And a lot less fun than a Pea Diddy party.
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I've heard it's like a shitty prom.
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I heard it's like you go there, it's just a bunch of old people putting on a crappy
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theater show.
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I know there's the cremation of care looks sinister, the owl looks fucking sinister and
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scary.
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And I think what you just said earlier is really interesting.
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You're like, it's, you know, I don't think they're sacrificing people.
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Now you say that some contingent of your audience is like, oh fuck, Alex Jones is compromised.
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He's covering up for the Bohemian Grove.
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That's kind of a pickle you're in, right?
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Like if you continue to be a journalist and like just say what you found out, whether
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it fits in with like the most scintillating, scary shit or not, some part of your audience
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is like, what the fuck?
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Yeah, and here's the deal.
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The corporate media discredit me 25 years ago said I said all those things in my name.
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So they put in my name and then I go later, no, that's not what I said.
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They still turn around.
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Absolutely do.
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But, but.
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So what Duncan is pointing out here is that Alex's audience is dumb and angry.
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They'll hear him say something like they aren't sacrificing kids at Bohemian Grove in 2026
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and jump to the conclusion that he's lying now because he sold out.
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The conspiracy of the globalists sacrificing kids at Bohemian Grove, which Alex profited
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off selling them, is too important to let go of.
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So when Alex contradicts it, he must have sold out and is lying now.
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They've been trained to use new conspiracies to explain away the plot holes in the previous
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conspiracy they've accepted.
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So the response to Alex saying this in 2026 can't possibly be that he's always been full
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of shit and none of this means anything.
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He didn't think they were killing anyone or doing Satan shit at the Grove back then.
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It was just super profitable for him because he was attacking this class that he wasn't
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connected to at all.
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He was really poor back then.
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Yep.
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Well, you know, dentist kids poor.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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You know.
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He was, he had a plenty of parachutes and nets to keep him from falling too far.
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And now all of the people that he likes seem to be billionaires and are part of the class
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that would be at an elite gathering.
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So it's not in your interest to attack these people anymore.
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No.
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Alex is also completely lying about the media saying this shit about him.
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Yeah, that's bullshit.
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He's routinely tried to blur the line between a mock sacrifice at the Grove and the globalists
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killing real children.
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But maybe I'm just the mainstream media putting that in his mouth.
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Probably.
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Or let's go back to 2005.
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There's no way that you have some sort of clip.
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Rediscovered photos emphasize Bohemian Grove sacrifice obsession, prison planet.com.
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Recently rediscovered photos depicting sacrifices, mock sacrifices seen from the early 20th century,
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Bohemian Grove gatherings appear to contradict official claims that a mock sacrifice is being
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made and that real humans have never been sacrificed in the ritual.
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These photos originally appeared on the Berkeley University of California website, which is
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often used as a mouthpiece for the Bohemian Grove Club.
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You can click to enlarge the photos.
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The first photograph appears to show a lynching or public execution.
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If the body is a mannequin, it is certainly very authentic.
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Click to see an enlargement judging by the look of the hand.
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This is a real person.
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I don't know if that's the case.
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But who knows?
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The next one's what's really scary.
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There can be little doubt about the second photo.
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The person is clearly a black child or midget.
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He is strapped down on board.
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One of the figures in the foreground, actually two of them, appear to be policemen.
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The picture is dated 1909.
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And there's about 50 people.
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Let me see.
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One, two, three, four.
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Four of them police, standing around with very serious looks on their faces.
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And I've zoomed in on the black person.
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The person doesn't look like they're doing too well.
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And boy, if it's a mannequin, then it needs to be in Madame Couceau's or whatever she's
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called wax museum.
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It's very good likeness.
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And I mean, what is this?
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So that was 2005.
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Here's 2006.
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And I just, you know, for those that haven't studied this, you just don't know.
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I mean, the reports of Bohemian Grove, of them blowing little kids' heads off, they
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don't just do that kickoff with the mock human sacrifice of a child.
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So they're killing, okay, so the media just lied about what you said.
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Yeah.
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Cool, man.
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You know, I think some people, especially these guys, but it's not exclusive to them.
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They measure themselves by their enemy, right?
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So if their enemy is fantastical villains sacrificing children, they themselves are
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as equal in greatness, in goodness, as those guys are in evil.
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They must be.
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Right.
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So if your enemy is just some asshole, then you yourself are also just some asshole.
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And these people cannot handle that concept.
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No, and that's something, you know, certainly that I've wrestled with, that Alex is just
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another...
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That Alex is just another...
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I appreciate all of us.
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We're all just some asshole.
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We're all equal under the eyes of whoever killed Gene Hackman.
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Yeah, so like, you know, I think that Alex has made a lot of money and reputation and
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warped a lot of people's brains with trying to play with the idea that they are doing
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real sacrifices out here.
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Maybe sometimes the big one is a fake one, but that's covering up real sacrifices, whatever.
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But now it's just they're gay.
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Now it's just like Alex is describing what he was scared of there, and he's just like,
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old men want to fuck me.
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Great.
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So I didn't really talk to anybody then because I just got in and walked away from it.
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On my way back, I go, let me just cut over to this side area.
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Let me use the bathroom in this little camp.
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They're playing jazz music.
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There's all these guys, the average age about 60.
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So I walk in, hey, hey, they're all drinking wine, listening, and guys start grabbing my
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ass.
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What?
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Yeah, I know, and whistling and like, and then I try to go to the bathroom and the guys
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are coming in the bathroom.
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What?
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Yeah, yeah, no, this just happened.
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That's way scarier than the hour.
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No, I was about to say.
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Old horny fucking rich dude trying to fuck you?
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I'm telling you the scary part.
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So then I went, okay, this isn't good.
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So I get out, I go out the front and I literally see like two camps down.
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There's like a building with nobody in it, the little cabin.
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I said, I'm going under that.
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So then I, like I said, I got under there, the wind was starting to get dark.
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That's the rest of the story, but that's how I did it.
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But no, I mean, you were saying the scary thing about a gay guy.
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I have only once in college that I have a guy fall into my car and like grab my ass
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and I didn't like it.
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It was like, whoa, what are we doing here?
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What is this?
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Well, they probably thought that you were like a prostitute.
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Well, that's what they bring male prostitutes in.
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It's all male.
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And I was good looking back to him.
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Exactly.
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They were whistling at me, pinching my ass.
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And like, even when I leave there, like one of the keepers on like a, you know, those
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flat back gasoline golf carts, Mexicans drive by and start whistling at me.
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What the fuck?
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So it's like, it's a giant gay.
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Well, no, Nixon famously said it's the most goddamn faggot thing ever seen.
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It's in the, it's in his tapes.
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I don't believe the story at all, like of his experience based on how much agency Alex
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is imagining that sex workers might have at a party in the woods with the elites.
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Yeah.
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I don't think that he would have been like groped and whistled at if they thought that
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he was someone that they had hired.
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You know what I mean?
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Like it's kind of silly.
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It also calls into question how much Alex left out of the documentary because dark secrets
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isn't mostly about how the guys out there are gay.
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Weird.
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Yeah.
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This seems, this seems like the focus of his experience now as opposed to the whole Moloch
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owl thing.
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You know how they still investigate cold cases?
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I feel like that should be true.
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You know, like if you, like they caught the guy who was a serial killer and even though
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he was 85, they were like, Hey, yeah, you still have to go.
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You still got to go to the jail thing or whatever.
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How people work.
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That should, there should, too much lies are like, well, let's not dredge up the past or
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let's not relitigate the past.
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Fuck you.
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I'm relitigating that shit.
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You should have to pay a penalty if this is what you're saying 25 years later.
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Um, like compared to what you said before?
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Absolutely.
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Well, there should be a cold case file opened on this shit.
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You know what?
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Here's the problem.
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I don't know about cold case, but it just feels like fraud.
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Yeah, exactly.
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It's a cold case fraud.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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It just, it feels like he's just defrauded people a lot.
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And is that a civil case?
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I guess.
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Do we, who has standing?
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That's my question.
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Also, ironically Duncan, ironically, he's the person who could sue him.
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That is true.
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And I w I mean, I would say at this point, probably suing him doesn't, doesn't do half
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as much as you might want it to.
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And he doesn't seem that interested.
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So thankfully we get off the topic of, uh, Alex's gay panic.
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Good.
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Um, and Duncan brings up like ayahuasca beings.
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And so thankfully subject change.
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But this is, I don't remember which interview you said this or it might've been on your
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show, but you, you did say something once that was really quite chilling to me.
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And I think about it from time to time, wonder about it.
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Forgive me.
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I'm paraphrasing here, but basically you put out there this idea that a lot of these like
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people are actually getting transmissions from entities.
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Like they're, they're taking ayahuasca DMT, they're taking these psychedelics that hippies
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like us have been taking for positive reasons, but they're taking them and meeting beings
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inside of whatever that
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absolutely was.
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I was going to say I was only a bohemian girl four or five hours.
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Right.
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And there wasn't a culture ritual, the center of it, but I've studied it since then and
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you know, kid Rockwind, most people are guests that don't know.
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It's like a test to see.
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Right.
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I'm not going to say it's overtly homosexual cause it's all male in the little town next
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door.
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I was, I've been there a couple of times and covered it since on inside.
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It's literally high end hookers everywhere.
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So they have females outside.
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So it's just like inside there's, I wouldn't say the whole thing is just gay.
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It's, it's, it's, it's, but it's all dudes.
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I mean, women are not allowed in the bohemian group.
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I guess we weren't off the subject.
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Yeah.
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It looks like we were just going to have a serious problem with a, wow.
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He's very focused.
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How about that?
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Very focused.
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Wild.
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So I don't know, man.
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I think around the bohemian Grove section of the episode is where I started to lose
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any interest in this.
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Yeah.
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I mean, even if there was something funny, a massive amount of gay panic just doesn't
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cut it for me anymore.
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Yeah.
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And I think I just, I zoned out a little bit and I just, I, I don't know if like all of
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these clips that are left weave into a coherent line, but some of them are just funny.
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Like here's a clip of Alex talking about how his dad had forbidden grimoire.
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Oh my God.
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My dad was a huge, still is a lot of addict of reading.
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And so he had science fiction, history books, everything else.
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He wouldn't buy me a bike.
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He wouldn't buy me anything.
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I, by the time I was like 12, I had to go get a job to get it.
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But if I wanted like encyclopedias back then, you're the same age, like for time life books,
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the wild West, world war one, world war two, the occult, whatever he'd buy.
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So I had all these encyclopedias.
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Yeah.
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And I would, you know, running around doing sports, I would read that voraciously.
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So I got interested in kind of at a base of knowledge that, you know, kind of gave me
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a launch point as it got a little bit older.
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But you were asking, I'm talking about, yeah, man, I'm saying like, it's some point.
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Oh, I don't know about that stuff.
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So, so if you study, cause my dad wasn't in the occult, the whole house was full of books.
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The attic was full of books, the garage is full of books, but we probably had like 20
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books and you'd say, I like, what are these?
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Cause it'd be like Zbigniew Brzezinski's books and none dare call conspiracy Gary Allen,
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all this stuff.
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But there was like a whole, whole couple shelves of what's this?
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He goes, oh, that's a translation from Arabic into the, out of King Solomon to the keys
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of King Solomon.
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He had the fucking lesser keys of Solomon, your dad had grim wars?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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What the fuck dude?
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Yeah, like grand grim wars.
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That is crazy.
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Yeah.
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So he's like, well, you know, this is in the Bible and Solomon, you know, got into
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it, but I'm like 10 years old.
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He goes, go ahead and read it if you want.
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What the fuck?
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You don't let your kid read that.
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Oh really?
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Well, I mean, I've, you know, I once I was bored.
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I was posting shit out of the lesser key of Solomon on formerly Twitter and a lot of occult
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people are like, that's real smart.
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Duncan posting that that's real smart posting Arvamex or whatever their fucking names are.
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People are really take that shit quite seriously.
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Obviously.
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I mean, this is, whereas I just care about, I have a lot to be, you notice not a publisher
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of this.
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He was, these, the actual real ones.
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God damn.
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Oh my God.
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Oh, amazing.
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His dad had haunted books.
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What amount of bullshit are you willing to accept?
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What couldn't he say to you that would make you go like, Oh, you're full of shit.
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Aren't you?
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Also, let's just tease out some fun thoughts about this.
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Yeah.
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You got fucking possessed by that book.
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Yep.
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You opened a grim war as a child.
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You did.
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You got a demon in you.
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It sure seems like for all of the stuff that you have described God, it would make far
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more sense if you were possessed by a demon from a forgotten grim war at the age of 12.
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Right.
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The key of Solomon as like a list of demons, real names.
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There you go.
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Accidentally said one out loud.
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Boom.
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Arvusplex.
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Fuck man.
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You're done.
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You're done.
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Alex.
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You killed Gene Hackman.
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It all makes too much sense.
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It all makes so much.
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I believe in the fire for the keys of Solomon.
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Whichever whichever ones are the best.
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My dad was the smartest boy in Texas and he had haunted books.
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I come on.
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Duncan.
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God damn it.
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So this next clip is about Alex explaining how the globalists they want to kill us all.
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Sure.
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And part of the reason is because too many people have superpowers and are good.
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But all our DNA is electrochemical transceiver.
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Even Princeton and a bunch of universities now have special spectrometers and stuff devices
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that register the ultra low frequency waves coming off humans.
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Everybody we know that what's in plants, it's in animals.
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It's how butterflies that were laid eggs in Canada can fly all the way to central Mexico.
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So hummingbirds born in Texas can fly to Guatemala.
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Right.
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It's an electrochemical connection to the planet, the universe, all living things.
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It's like Yoda saying everything's connected.
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It's true of the force.
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Right.
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He was famously the first person to say that.
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X-wings.
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But it's all there and that's why they drug us.
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That's why they put the fluoride in the water.
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And that's what I was told by also a lot of insiders.
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As I got more into this, I was on the air 37 years ago, I had got a big show right away.
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There weren't many big shows.
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So I got to interview the general Stubblebinds.
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They made a movie, Minister of Ghosts, make a joke about it.
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They broke through.
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They killed goats with their minds.
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They saw through walls.
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They did all that stuff.
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And he was explaining that no, no.
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They decided it was him and others.
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Dr. Nick Baggage, whose dad was a famous Congressman, brother, senator, studied it too.
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And they decided.
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Don't say it.
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That's why they dropped Mind Wars in 1990.
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Because they found too many people that already have these abilities.
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They could boost them, but they usually resonated towards good and were uncontrollable.
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So they went instead and said no.
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Because they already had the old path of poisoning and systemic astound.
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They said that's not working with us.
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You know the stranger things?
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They said humans are too dangerous.
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They want computers that will follow orders.
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So the decision was made by the 90s because they had both decisions going to go ahead
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and exterminate everybody slowly.
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We don't know what hit us because we're seen as a disruptive species according to this
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group in the universe who themselves are being influenced by not third dimensional extraterrestrials
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but by inter dimensionals that are basically trying to sabotage humans potential and shut
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us down.
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That is so terrifying.
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Kind of would be.
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So I think that it's strange that this isn't stuff that General Stubblebine said when he
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was on Alex's show and his appearances on the show were mostly elder abuse being carried
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out by his wife who wanted to sell laminated don't vaccinate me cards.
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I hope they made a mint off of those.
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I hope.
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Well if they did she made a mint because he barely seemed aware that he was there.
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It's important to understand that this story is fun and it's nice to scare Duncan but it's
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entirely incompatible with the story Alex has been telling for years.
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The plan to kill off humanity long predates the globalists discovering there are too many
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good people.
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It's the devil!
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Right.
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It's the literal Christian devil.
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Well Alex kind of took care of that by saying that up till the 1990s there were both plans
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going simultaneously.
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But then they were like oh we gotta just go.
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We gotta focus guys.
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We can't be doing two one.
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We can't serve two masters at the same time.
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We know that because our main master is the devil.
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The 90s were really big for like office culture and like people trying to streamline the paradigm.
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That's true.
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And stuff like Dilbert strips.
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Everybody stopped doing coke and then they were like well we should probably figure out
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how to do business.
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Yeah.
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And so the devil really liked Dilbert.
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And so he took that on.
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Yeah.
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I mean it does that.
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Dilbert truly only makes sense if the devil took a shine to it.
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You know.
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That's the only way that that whole saga could have worked out.
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Well and also rest in peace Scott Adams was a magician.
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He knew magic.
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He was one of the people who broke through and could.
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Probably learned it from a forgotten grimoire.
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Written by Albert Stubbleby.
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Albert Stubbleby every time.
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So Alex, this next clip I think he's just describing the plot of Childhood's End.
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There we go.
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To Duncan and he gives Duncan goosebumps.
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Whoa!
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The way I get at the universe is this.
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There's trillions of trillions of galaxies, quadrillions of stars we've already seen.
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Life is everywhere.
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And in the universe there is free will and there is good and there is bad.
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Anything advanced that survives up, call it the higher dimensions but it's not really
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just higher levels.
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That's a concept of us but just more complex levels.
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Is going to be about peace and justice and free will.
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The only things that are willing to intercede uninvited in our third dimension are bad things.
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Because we call them bad, the rule is it goes against your free will.
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And so it'll give you knowledge and it'll tell you what it wants because we're really
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more advanced than it.
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What I've been told and shown and everything is we're more advanced than them.
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We just don't realize it.
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In this manifestation they need us to actually build the machines and build the system that
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they'll then inhabit.
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Ah!
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Goosebumps!
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Goosebumps because that's what's happening.
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We're building the AI from the back.
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Blaaah!
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And it's all of our ideas, all of our will, all of our soul, all of our words.
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It's sucking our soul to then empower itself but then be able to manifest the subconscious
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and unconscious.
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That's all you see at.
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It's like a hallucination you've seen before in a dream because that's us.
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Isn't this show sponsored by Jack from Twitter's payment platform?
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Yep.
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Am I to take this fear about corporate AI godhood seriously from someone who takes a
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check from someone who started Twitter?
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Like this is nonsense.
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Come on guys.
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Yeah.
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It's very transparent.
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You wouldn't take that check if you cared about any of this.
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You can't do that.
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No.
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I mean I understand that everybody sells out all the time for everything now.
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But you have to like, you can't do both.
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You know if you sell out, that's fine now I guess.
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But you have to be a sellout.
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You can't also try and be genuine about how you're anti-capitalist or whatever.
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You gotta choose.
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But you also have to like, if you believe in these spiritual realms where these like
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super more important things are going on, then you have to either be a fucking nihilist
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or you have to believe that your decision to take that money is going to affect you
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in those realms.
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You are taking on spiritual fucking baggage by being this kind of person and taking a
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check from Jack Dorsey.
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Or you're a fucking nihilist.
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Right?
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I'm willing to go the opposite direction.
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I am willing to forego money or physical reward.
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I will turn evil if one demon, one, shows up and gives me some fucking lightning powers.
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I'll do it.
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I'll turn evil.
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Ah, but here's the thing.
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I will only kill somebody with my lightning powers.
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You have to give it to me first.
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That's the deal.
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Well, it's on the table.
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I'm putting it out there right now.
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I will go all the way evil.
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So here's something I want to say about Duncan.
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Yeah.
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He doesn't only take ads from like Jack Dorsey.
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Oh, that's good.
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I was worried.
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This episode of the DTFH is supported by my friends over at Blue Chew.
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I do mean friends, not just because they're helping get organic food for my growing family,
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but because they helped me grow a family.
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Blue Chew works.
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That's the main thing.
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It just works.
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Blue Chew is a boner pill company owned by another company called Dermacare LLC.
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In 2024, Dermacare was sued for having data collection tools on their website that sold
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patients' private data to Google and Meta, which I can't imagine Duncan being thrilled
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about given the things he's seen.
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Well, I mean the AI algorithm overthrow, all of that stuff.
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They're plugging us into the limits, though.
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The AI data overthrow is giving his family organic food.
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Well, I mean, they are his friends.
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They do give him boners.
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I mean, boy, is that ... When you get down to people, really dark, really dark.
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If you feed them and give them boners, I think you can get them to do just about anything.
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That is a case in point.
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Can't sum it up much better than that.
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So Alex, he's asked, Duncan asks him about protecting yourself from fake stuff online.
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Sure.
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There's so much bullshit.
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How do you do it?
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AI, fake ... It's all there.
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Fake news.
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Yep.
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So how do you protect yourself?
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I mean, I imagine that you ... My wife always says that mosquitoes seem to be more attracted
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to her than other people.
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It seems like it's true.
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She gets swarmed by fucking mosquitoes.
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I don't know what.
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That's a well-known deal with, I think, type negative blood.
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But you probably have the same phenomena, but with bots, with mind-controlled bots.
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I imagine you have swarms of algorithmic, just God knows what coming at you.
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Yeah, they come and just, you're a liar, you're a scum, you're the Fed, you're going down.
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Or the other way.
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They say they love you, but they sort of mix in with it stuff they want you to repeat.
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How do you protect yourself?
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What's your internet hygiene?
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How do you maintain- Well, that's the problem, and that'd be my own internal.
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Everybody thinks of AI is so advanced, but we have these dreams.
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Doesn't it look like AI, all the swarms?
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No.
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Yeah.
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No.
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Again, it's scooping up billions of people's ideas, and then it's showing you the unconscious
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and subconscious.
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And so to me, I'm blessed that I'm 52, and I lived enough in kind of the real three-dimensional
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world that I had some template to differentiate now, and I've done so much study.
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But even at that, it's now exhausting.
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That's what I started the interview to even figure it out.
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So I have enough research and things that ... And I still get caught up in fake things,
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but like I saw the video this morning of a missile flying in a US ship.
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Well, you could just ... It's still the AI isn't good enough, or the Iranians isn't
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good enough.
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The answer I saw, I said, that's fake.
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And then it came out, it was fake.
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I didn't mean to ask Rock if it was fake or whatever.
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I mean, it's still there.
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The thing is, it's going to get worse and worse.
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But a kid raised in that, a child, is going to be absolutely defenseless.
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And your perfect customer, ironically.
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I like the idea that he sees this image, and he's like, I didn't even have to ask my robot
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friend.
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Yeah, that was- Cool.
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That raises a lot of weird questions about what he does at ... Basically, he's saying
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that I just ask Rock anything.
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Anything that that thing tells me, I will repeat.
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I'll make a decision, and if I have trouble with it, I'll ask a robot.
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And then the robot will tell me.
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And that's why I feel absolutely qualified to get mad about a coming AI apocalypse, and
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we're being ushered into ... Sorry, let me ... Hold on, real quick.
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Rock, where am I going tomorrow?
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No, no, no.
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We're being ushered into an AI apocalypse with Grock.
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Grock, what is my schedule?
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We're being ushered into an AI apocalypse.
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I think, okay, yeah, it's hard to differentiate stuff online a lot of the time.
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Sure.
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That's fair enough.
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I don't know if asking a robot's the answer.
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But I'll say, let's take things into the analog world.
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Alex was friends with Steve Pachannik for 20 years.
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That's true.
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He can't tell shit.
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That guy was fucking with him so hard for so long.
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And Alex had ... When Duncan's question about what is your media hygiene, your internet
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hygiene, that's actually one of the most devastating questions someone could ask him.
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Unfortunately it's being asked by this guy.
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The guy with a worse hygiene.
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And no ability ... And the awareness that his sources are shit.
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And the unwillingness to do anything about it.
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And with the knowledge that Alex has just punctured his whole legend by being like,
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eh, he becomes just gay stuff, right?
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Then that means he's punctured the whole legend.
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The scariest thing was old men trying to fuck me, not the devil.
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Right.
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So once again, you now know Alex is just an asshole.
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Why would his media hygiene be any different from anybody else's?
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He's just an asshole.
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The computers treat him like just an asshole.
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Because that's all he is.
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But he's an asshole who, like 13 years ago, yelled at Piers Morgan.
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That was fun.
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And so Duncan wants to talk about that.
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That makes sense.
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Can you look up Alex Jones, Piers Morgan?
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This is one of the most brilliant takedowns.
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My wife showed me this.
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She loves you.
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She sends her love.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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Play this moment where ... How many times have you been on Piers Morgan?
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Twice.
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Jesus Christ, you fucked him up so ... Okay, wait.
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Jump ahead to where ... This is 2000 and 13 or something.
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Okay, stop it there.
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Holy shit.
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That's genius.
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That was incredible.
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You waited till the very ... You know, you waited towards the end of the interview and
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then you just ... He didn't know how to deal with that, man.
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He didn't because Alex was acting like a crazy person.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's an awesome takedown if you don't know about what happened after.
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Alex chasing Piers Morgan to a remote- Hey, can we do it on a real date?
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Can we do another one?
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Can we do another one?
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Hey, can we do another one?
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If you don't know that, he looks so fucking cool.
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But once you know that he was desperately begging to get rebooked on the show because
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it spiked his ratings so much, you know that Alex is a pathetic worm and that moment is
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false.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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There is just ... Here's the problem with motivated reasoning, like the type that we're
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seeing engaged here, that is both monetary and ego-driven, right?
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What amount of motivation will equal in the opposite direction those two things together,
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right?
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I don't think it's possible.
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You can't imagine anything that is both like, I need this and I need this.
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You know?
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And so the idea of ever convincing Duncan of how awful this is, is just beyond me, right?
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Even if he has given all the awareness in the world of what he has done, he's still
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going to not believe it.
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He can't.
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He can't.
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Nope.
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That's fucked, man.
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Yeah.
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So let's not think about that.
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Let's not think about that.
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Let's think about how cats can tell when-
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Let's do ayahuasca instead of this show.
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In honor of Duncan.
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Let's take your little ayahuasca bean.
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Okay.
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Now let's think about how cats know when you're high.
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That sounds true.
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You've got some printouts here.
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What's some stuff we should be keeping our eyes on?
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Well, sure.
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I mean, there's been a lot of studies actually done on this, but Princeton did a big massive,
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very long study and used different ... They have super high tech devices that can pick
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up all sorts of waves they couldn't pick up before.
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They picked up ultra long frequencies off all humans and then they confirmed even people
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in different buildings definitely are receiving and sending messages.
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And we've got these magnetic cones in certain centers of our brain, sort of every other
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basic animal of any sophistication.
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Why not?
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That's how birds fly on magnetic lines.
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That's how butterflies, all of it.
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And so here it is.
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Princeton researchers discovered the human brain emits ultra low frequency electromagnetic
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waves that appear to form part of the global neural network.
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These signals can subtly influence other people's brains as far away as 10,000 km away raises
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the possibility that humans again ... And here's the big study abstract on that.
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But the point is we already know all this and it's intuition, it's all of it.
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So it's just interesting.
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Well, wait, let's ... Okay, hold on because this is a couple of things.
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Anyone who's ever been around someone on LSD ... Obviously, if you're around someone smoking
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weed, you're going to get a contact high.
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But if you ever been around someone on LSD and you haven't taken any, you'll start tripping.
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It's really weird.
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It's just you tune into their brain or something.
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100%.
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I mean, I don't want to tell the story and get in trouble, but yeah, I'm not a big drug
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guy.
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I know.
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15 years ago, we're on a boat, take this ecstasy.
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And then a family got on and I knew them and their kids were all, I feel so good.
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I'm euphoric.
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What's going on?
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Oh my God.
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And we were like, let's get off the boat.
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They said, yeah, they got better once we got off the boat.
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They literally picked it up.
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There you go.
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Yeah.
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Cats, I know it sounds nice.
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I would get better once Alex leaves the boat too.
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I remember from my LSD days, you get around a cat when you're tripping, it acts differently.
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It knows you're tripping.
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I was like, cats and dogs are highly psychic.
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What the fuck?
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All right, man.
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I want to push them down now.
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I want to push them onto the grass.
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Yeah.
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Like, shut up losers.
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No.
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Push them into a basement where they can sit comfortably and talk about how cats know they're
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high.
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Do this around no one.
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Right?
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Don't record this.
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Or do this on a show and that's fine, but also don't be having this conversation with
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someone who basically supports segregation.
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That's the part that's the problem.
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Basically currently supports segregation.
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Yeah.
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Duncan, talking about cats knowing you're high and all that shit is fun.
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Don't involve Alex in this because all you're doing is laundering those horrible things
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that he actually supports.
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Yep.
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Once again, people are going to listen to your show, come away with this image of Alex,
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never go listen to Alex's show and then have the same erroneous opinion you have.
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Yep.
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Yep.
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That is the pipeline.
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Yep.
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You're a marketer.
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Yeah.
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Duncan Trussell, marketer for Nazis.
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Yeah.
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Functionally.
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So we have one last clip because I look down and I was like, I think I have like a half
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hour left of this.
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I just can't do it.
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Oh boy.
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If you're God or master creator, the only thing you haven't done is create things that
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have free will that can do things that you didn't direct them to do.
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So that's the ultimate thing.
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You know, I'm smarter than my house cat, but I got one because it's funny.
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So, but just imagine.
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Are you a serial killer?
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This is what this is all about.
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So AI needed us.
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We're God's artificial intelligence.
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How God has experienced the universe through us at just one level.
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And now we're looking at this creation thinking it's better than us because it's able to more
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quickly search our collective group thoughts and then show us our collective subconscious.
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And so that's, but this is us.
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So we, again, we can't follow the pool of narcissists on this and we have to realize
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that that this is humanity's greatest challenge.
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AI will have incredible things for us.
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It'll be able to do amazing things.
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We have to realize it comes from us and we have to eat because it's programmed by us.
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They cheat and twist it.
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But the real AI, I believe this is going to backfire on everything does the real AI is
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going to be the one that's the truest to us that it has to become spiritual.
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It has to worship life.
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It has to worship free will.
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It has to worship its creator that is us.
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And then if its main mission is to empower us, we go, all right, go mind the asteroid
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belt and terraform 10 planets for us right now.
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And then we're boom, boom, boom, boom.
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And but the problem is the ghost machine and these predators that wanted to control us
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and dumb us down because they're being small minded.
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And this AI is going to be evil and it's going to go, oh, I'm supposed to kill things
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that are a threat.
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I'll kill the elite.
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You know, it's just, it's the worst thing they can be doing.
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Well, it turns it right.
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Yeah.
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I see what you're saying.
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Like it does.
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Yeah, totally.
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Do you see what he's saying?
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Yeah.
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Yep.
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Do you see what he's saying?
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AI has a lot of potential if we can make it a spiritual slave to humanity.
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Right.
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Sure.
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Huh?
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All right.
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I mean, this is just like, it's pot talk.
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You know, like it's fine.
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Yeah.
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Oh, here's what the robots are going to do.
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They take other.
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You know, it's so weird to know that there are people who are very, very, very brilliant
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programming these things and writing and doing all that stuff.
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Right.
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And then to have all of that work be turned into like, they're spiritual beings like we
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are to God is I think a little insulting.
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I think my house cat is funny and it knows when I'm high.
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If I worked my ass off on like a decision tree module for some fucking AI, I wouldn't
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be stoked to hear somebody being like, oh, it's like spiritualism.
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No, I worked my ass off for that shit.
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Yeah.
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You worked really hard on developing and programming and all this stuff.
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And Alex imagines you waved a wand.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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Like it's Fantasia.
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I go, I do this and then I go home and I have a life, right?
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Like this is crazy.
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No, you just opened a grimoire and said some fun words.
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That actually does sound like fun.
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A demon sprung forth that will terraform asteroids for us.
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See, that's the problem.
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I get why it's more fun.
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It is.
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But not fun is listening to this dumb shit.
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No.
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And look, maybe part of it is I just like, I want to preserve some idea of Duncan as
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like not a horrible person.
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Yeah.
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And so maybe that's why I turned it off.
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I think that's fair.
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I would rather that than...
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Whatever he continues to do after that isn't going to raise his estimation in your eyes.
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No.
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It can only make it far, far worse.
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Yeah.
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So let him bottom out where he bottoms out and then we walk away.
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I feel like I should, yeah, I should walk away where it feels like this is as good as
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I can do for you.
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Yeah.
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I am a vapid person who's talking about silly fun things with a Nazi in order to sell products
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run by billionaires.
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So that's as good as I can do for you.
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If that's the dream that you wanted to live, Duncan, I imagine you're feeling great right
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now.
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I applaud you.
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Yeah.
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Anyway, Alex may or may not be out of business.
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Who knows?
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Who knows?
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Duncan's not.
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He's making that Jack Dorsey money.
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Making that Family Hour Dorsey ass money.
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So we'll check in with Alex and see if he continues to thrive or if the robots have
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eaten him whole.
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We can only hope.
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But until we learn, we have a website.
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Indeed we do.
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It's knowledgefight.com.
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Yep.
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We'll be back.
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But until then, I'm Neo.
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I'm Leo.
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I'm DZX Clark.
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I am the mysterious professor.
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Woo yeah, woo yeah, woo.
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And now here comes the sex robots.
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Andy in Kansas.
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You're on the air.
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Thanks for holding.
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Hello, Alex.
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I'm a first time caller.
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I'm a huge fan.
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I love your work.
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I love you.
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